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Nobody was expecting that fire transition.
So we're all a little off put here.

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We're gonna figure it out though.
Uh we're in Los Angeles. It's

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giant bomb. We're in California to
talk about video games. The industry is

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searched around under the couch. Found
some change. They're gonna make some new

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video games. We're gonna talk about
them. We're also gonna talk about just

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hanging out and having fun. I
got the whole crew with me, including

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the Internet's Mike Manati. Hello,
I'm just reading this interesting article about the

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future of video games that involves a
series called Ridge Racer. I don't know

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if you've ever heard have it?
What's that? I don't know, but

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I think I think you should look
into if a new one's coming, I'll

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see what I could do for you. Buddy. Thank you appreciate it.

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Yep, Lucy James, not much. Glad you're here. Thanks, I'm

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glad. Yeah. Tomor is saying, how about you. I'm so cold,

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so I'm getting my blanky. I'm
happy about how cold it is,

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but like, I'm also glad you
got a blanking on that stuff because I've

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been wearing shorts. Yeah, thake. How do you feel about wearing shorts

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at these events? Because I've been
scolded before for wearing shorts. Why who

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game moves? I think it was
Bye, probably by Lucy James MEA,

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yeah, I feel like because I'm
a sweaty boy, which I'm sure Oh

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yeah, you know so, and
I move very quickly. Yep, I

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feel like I get sweaty pretty quick
exactly. Yeah so, and I need

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like to cool down. But in
this studio, I did not realize how

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cold it is. I'm basically sitting
right in the path of the air conditioner,

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which is industrial grade because this is
the studio and we're keeping it in

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that way, absolutely blasted by ice
cold winds, So I don't Actually I'm

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from Ohio, but the cold doesn't
bother me anyway. No one save us.

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This guy the fuck out of here. Hey, how do you like

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to say? It's great right thinking? Some of these TVs are broken though?

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Yeah, yeah, I'm stealing it
when we get out of here.

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Yeah. Dan Reichert also from Giant
Bomb. Everybody, Hello, I remember

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I was feeling bad earlier because I
had too many skittles. Yeah, how

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are you feeling now? I just
ate a bunch of cookies with huge frosting

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things on it, and I'm feeling
worse your taco I had two tacos and

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then I had like six cookies and
you got to make hay with the sunshines.

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Yeah, I'm feeling it, but
uh yeah, I'm here. I'm

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fine. You know, I think
you should be feeling pretty good because you

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did get this man to watch mcgroober
last night, which was one of the

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missions we had when we came to
Los Angeles. It didn't take much like

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with the face off thing last time. That took some real convince. You

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did that at the end of the
trip, right end of the trip.

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I had an early flight the next
day. You like started at two am

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while you were protesting and saying you
weren't going to watch the whole thing,

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and I just brute forced it.
Yeah. Sure, you you were just

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like, yeah, let's watch it. Why do you explain what happened when

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you watched macgrooba. Well, okay, we're in a robot hotel. Yes,

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that's important to understand. Our hotel
is dystopian. It has no humans

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working at it. Walls have ears, and the walls have ears. Apparently

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that's not a joke, you know. Yeah, everyone left last night,

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so it's probably like what two two
thirty three something. Everyone's leaving my room

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where we watched it, which even
getting it on the TV was a whole

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process. But everyone leaves and I
looked down at my phone to like set

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my alarm, and I have four
texts from the Robot Hotel saying like,

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we have detected unusual noise activity in
your room. Please keep this in mind

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with you know, fellow patrons or
whatever. We were laughing too hard at

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mcgruber that I got four texts from
a hotel and it was all of us,

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but it was mostly Mike. It's
me, I get a little loud.

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I don't know if anybody knows that
about. Yeah, it's a win

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though, that you were laughing that
hard. That's a funny movie. I

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enjoyed it myself. Yeah. I
was never like, I guess, like,

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I think this is going to be
stupid. I figured i'd like it.

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Yeah, it is stupid. It's
very aggressively stupid to be stupid.

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That's fine. You hays to join
in la So far everyone having a good

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time. Yeah, I was gonna
say, how are you enjoying? Is

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it better now that we're here is
and just like now you gotta go to

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parts with la you normally wouldn't have
toys. Yeah, well no, it's

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super sick that like y'all came to
me. Yes, yeah, that's pretty

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good to go to Boston, which
is crazy, right, you had to

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justify I go into Providence and all
this stuff. Yeah, but like this

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time I got yesterday, I saw
y'all by getting on the train. Yeah,

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sick as hell. They have that
here, they do it. They

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show it in volcano. Okay,
right, I should have remembered my volcano.

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Yeah something who melts? Yeah,
Mike, you know, like Mikey's

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against people melting. It turns out
I don't want to see anybody melt unless

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they're like, well, yeah it's
good melting, melting parentheses positive Lord of

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the Rings. Even then, I
don't like seeing Gollum melts. It's kind

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of upsetting. I think he has
it coming. Your favorite melting, my

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favorite melting. I mean the guy
in Raiders of the Last Arc that's a

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pretty good that's about away, and
then the other guy's head just explodes,

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like yeah, that's more of a
the centigrade that's turning into dust right,

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Yeah, coming to and that's fine, but that's alsotually pretty creepy. What's

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creepy with that one is the hair
really wet that it looks like it hurts

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to have your hair grilled that fast. That's what it's like for me,

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look at the mirror and gross.
That sounds like non hit people propaganda.

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It's like the grow hair. I
also tried to not say the wood Bold,

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so I said, non hippy people. We appreciated that, we know

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her. Did you canceled for anything? Actually, it'll be like I'm canceled

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because I said the wood Bold on
the You should be allowed to I think

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it's yeah, it's mean. It
was who used the basic b on Bold.

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It was Midler, Mike and Dan
talking to the bar last night and

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they're remembering that Sean had made that
Doug Trio Bald version. That's just the

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three of you next to each other. It's like it happened in real life.

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That was pretty magical. Yeah,
it's it's been great to seeing people.

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That's been one of the highlights so
far. We did touch an Emmy.

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We watched the River with an Emmy. I was like holding cradling an

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Emmy. For much of the night. That was very good. You have

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to see Tam already got to hang
out a couple of weeks ago. And

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the other which was fun. We
went to a wax museum. I mean

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a terribly good wax museum. There
was some of those figures that we were

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looking at and I was going,
I don't know who that is. You

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know, some of them were like
surprisingly good, like almost upsettingly so like

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Morgan was like, oh my god, was there like a through line like

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you were like, okay, this
person's famous enough that they cared, or

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it was like some very famous people
are also beat like random. It was

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themed rooms. Sometimes the worst one
was Jack Black as Nacho Leebray and they

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clearly just got some other old wax
figure and put like the Lucha mask No

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No, something that looks like a
you know when you see on Reddit,

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like a creepy pasta story about someone
being buried alive, and like it looked

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like a real person been encased in
wax because those eyes followed you around the

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room. I love it for long
enough and I was like, if I

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had to guess, it feels like
they founded Chris Fawley like wax figure like

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and you know that it is how
Hollywood treats like their fat actors. They

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just like replaced them one after another, like there's a series of fat actors.

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Which of us would make the best
wax figure? How much you think

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and how much do you think get
costs? I don't mean to throw too

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many questions out of what do you
mean? What do you mean make is

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in physically we crafted or would be
the best as a subject. I had

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know the answer to this, and
it's Lucy because one Crystal, the smooth,

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like the beard really messaged with us. It's Nikki. Yeah. And

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then like then I already saw what
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wearing work out now. And then
it goes in beard water let show you

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know all them two, Like the
stature must just get worse because like Torso

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up, a lot of them look
good. Then there's something really weird going

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on with the hips where they're kind
of just slowly leaning forward. Well,

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because when they were they were size
appropriate to right, they were all Yes

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it was who was it? Who
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Some of them Arian Grande couldn't get
gage horrifying. Yes, is it a

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block of wax? That they start, do they chid yeah, or like

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is it chipping away or is it
building up? No? I think it's

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building up. Okay, yeah,
I feel like it's building up. I

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mean, is it really? It
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be some kind of metal framework scallon. Here's here's the question. Are wax

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kind of replicas of people and wax
museums days numbered because of three D printing

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now, because I feel like you
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in like on a computer like Unreal
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to three D print it. But
if it's three D printed, it's exactly

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it's gonna be like gnobly and you're
gonna have to send it down. But

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that stuff is like so I've seen
the leaps and technology in three D printing

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and it's like that's minimal now,
Like you don't even have to the matel

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factory of you know what. I
looked at you because I was like,

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of all the people here who has
been three D printed, it's sure the

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laser thing, like the way you
see it, it's a mold and then

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just a lasers and it makes it
down to like the little crevices like seeing

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them make I think they were making
Logan Paul action figure. When I went

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for I go up where it was
a guy basically saying why three D printers

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are a very good investment, And
by the time he was done, I

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was like, I think I needed
three D printer because he was like,

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instead of buying a stool, I
just found a blueprint for a stool,

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made it and just made it.
And it took maybe like six or prey

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but it was fine. I am
at the point where my kids are into

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something new every four days. It's
like now it's inside out two in a

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week, it's gonna be something else. I'm like, what if I just

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three D printed their toys? Because
the thing that was like the material the

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spool that you buy to make a
whole stool is half the price of the

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stool, right, So it's like
he had a very compelling pitch. So,

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Tim, are we just let's be
honest, Are we just trying to

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ignore the fact that we're not playing
Shadow of the Tree. Yes, it's

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like we have to wait and it
hurts, it's painful. What are you

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talking about the trailers or oh,
I know I'm preparing for Shadow of the

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Tree. Yeah, yeah, yah, prepare for Shadow Tree. I have

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been working with multiple characters. I
have now four characters that I'm ready for

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when I get the game. What's
that strategy? What do you mean so

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I I I wanted multiple builds so
that I could try and experience the game

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in as many different because you know
there's that whole thing about oh if you

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kill if you leave Millennial live,
is it different You've got about her brother?

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I'm ready for when we get that
game sounds like, Hey, it's

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it's being thorough. So when we're
when we get it, I'm going to

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be all over it, and I'd
be like, I've got seven different builds.

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I'm finding every little secret. Twenty
first is when it's out. Twenty

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first is when it's out. What
about me? I could be playing Megan

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Man five for the game I was
gonna get. Yeah, to thank you

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for your sacrifice. You have actually
not touched it since got announced. I

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to watch with groover last night.
Very clear, I'd rather be playing Megan

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Man five than you. Yeah,
I agree, let's roll back memorial.

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Those game Boy games are good.
Most of them are like good or interesting,

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but five is actually really good.
It has like unique bosses and levels.

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It's all kind of plant theme.
You have a robot cat instead of

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a dog. Huh good, what
is that? I don't remember. It's

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not it's not rush. Okay,
I'm sorry, I don't remember. It

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sounds great. Yeah, a big
fan. Yeah, you love you can't

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get enough of it. The cat
never came back, all right, he's

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only in this one game. I'm
sorry. Aren't they all Wiley Wars?

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Though? Why is just the one
called Wiley Wars? Well, Wiley Wars

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is the Genesis game that is a
remake collection of one, two, and

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three with US content based around game
Boy. Why the one about like Wyley's

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No, you're making things up,
so No, the first one does have

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like a subtitle. You're right,
it's not Wiley Wars or something. So

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the return of Doctor Wiley. Yeah, they're fine. I just yeah,

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we get a clock there, that'd
be helpful. I gotta watch. I'll

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tell you watch you know what,
you know what? I think it might

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be game time, Summer game Fest, kipping the games here. Yeah,

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we did watch Subber game Fest.
We did do that. I want to

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learn more about we the same?
Yeah, we the sims? Is that

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the name of the go ahead or
are they just that's what it sounds like.

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Yeah, we the sims. Yeah, Hey, there were some okay

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games in that showcase. I thought
that the bean thing looked fun. It's

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my number one from the show.
Are you mean snobbish? But am I

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the only one who rolled my eyes
at killer Beasy boys? There were no

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jokes that it was just at their
beads and everything else is played straight.

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But also that's I think that's what's
great about it. I think it looks

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like a fun so bad in a
fun way. Yeah, thank you,

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Jan all right? John is Amy
crying? See I want to say something.

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Tam and Nikki we were in the
we were in the car coming over

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here, and wrap came up and
I asked Mike Manatti who his favorite rapper

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is? Can can I take guesses
from both of you of Mike Manatti's favorite

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rapp his favorite rapper? What is
there? Uh? You're you're on the

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right track. But is it Rachel? One of the I know there's like

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a family of goofy type characters.
One of them is like a rapper or

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something like that. It was well, I was gonna say a human or

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it is a human? A Shoot, it's a shot human being, human

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being, not a Disney rapper.
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a Disney Vanilla. I I was
gonna say that would have been good,

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Mike. He didn't want to say
eminem because that was too basic. I

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was that was not gonna be my
second guy Disney. A Disney rapper's gonna

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make perfect sense when you hear it. Is it Nikky's leaving? Okay?

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Can I just say we've been together, This is the second day we've all

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been together, and I just feel
like lin Manuel Miranda has come up to

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is it always Mike? Yeah,
yes, I didn't know. They were

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talking about what would happen if lin
Manuel Miranda wrapped the Bible. He brought

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it up. Yeah, Nicky brought
it up because of the Christmas Bible thing

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they do it. Yeah, kid, honestly, I can go on.

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I can explain every natural phenom on
the tide, the grass of the ground.

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No, no, mama, do
you have a Do you have a

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favorite rapper outside of lin Manuel Miranda, Who's who's in the group, who's

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in the Wu Toong group? He
has haven't listened to a Book of od

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B group, Yes, he said, he said wutong. Seriously, what

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was that song at the end of
Universal Soldier Somebody was Mad? The wrap

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from the A Spentura is probably his
favorite, the one local one, the

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end of a Rogue Soldier whatever,
this road troop of the Mickey Rourke,

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Yeah, rap. Do you think
that the song at the beginning of the

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Pest is a rap? I do? Yeah, of course. Yeah.

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I was walking around San Francisco.
I find a big sign that said wu

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Jan Clan. Yeah, and I
was like, oh, that's alsome.

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I did I say to you?
I think I said it to you.

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Okay? The song rappers Delight.
Did those people ever do any other Yeah?

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They do any other one, don't
do any other songs? Yeah,

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I am one. To Mike and
I were doing, say work for hire,

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like we need someone to do this
rap song I wrote, So scat

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man, he's not a rappers scat
but it's kind of close. Let's see

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we can unravel this year. Yeah, yeah, but I'm the scat man

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ski close. That's pretty close.
Matter of fact, don't nothing to hold

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you back, and the scatman can
do it, so can you? He

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added, like six, Yeah,
it's pretty class. It's fine, it's

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good maybe I'll isn't that kind of
a bop? Though? This Scatman song

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I think about is great because he
has two songs. The one of them

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is a remix of the about how
he's the scatman Like that's it. He's

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the guy that's saying he's too sexy
for his shirt? Is that a rap?

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Uh? No? Okay? What
is? What is when will ship?

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When William Shatner talks rap? Right, that's just different. Tell me

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how to do my job, and
I think it's going to be a long

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long time there it is. Yeah, you nailed it. So he didn't

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like Killer Bean. Oh right,
that's a favorite. I think we need

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to start referring to him as Killer
Bean. That's his rap name. Either

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Kiban. I think he's about to
talk about beans eating can be a it's

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gonna encapsulate everything. There's a Naruto
character who's a rapper based on a character

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from uh I believe No, Actually
there's a Wu Tang Wu Tang reference in

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there, and the rapper his name
is Killer b So pretty close, yep,

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pretty close. They rap in Naruto. Yeah, there's one character that

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is a rape. There's one Naruto
rapper. Like hip hop culture, think

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Ninja go. No, No,
that's not what they're saying. You should

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don't say that you don't like the
pokey rap. Yeah, poky rap was

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fine. It's not that much.
You know, you're rapping at the rapper

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of the gamer rap by the way, Yeah, don't look that up.

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It's called the gamer Rap. No. The thing about the Poker rap is

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that the Pokey Poka by weird Al
Yankovic is way better that he did for

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the first Pokemon soundtrack. That's true. Yeah, better juicy where he talks

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about Second Genesis and Super Nintendo.
Have you heard that song? Wait?

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Who U b A? I know
that one notorious b A G. And

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it's okay. I just didn't have
It's good, it's good important. I

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know about him in Tupac. It's
okay. And they were they got shot,

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that's correct. Yeah, it was
me. They should have done that,

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yeah famously, that's right. Yeah, it makes me sad about the

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shooting. What's your favorite beans then? I don't know, just black red

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beans. I don't know about pintos
yet, garbondo and what about black eyed

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peas? That's just tread carefully.
Is that is that a pier of beans

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is this a trick question. It's
a real bean. It's a bean.

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It's a shoot bean. Aren't they
usually like dried and salty? Moy?

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Are those those are peas? Have
you ever had baked beans? You know?

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It's too much for me? They're
too sweet. I don't it's too

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goofy. What about the tomato we
sauce? Though you like barbecue, you

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don't have like baked beans and barbecue. No, I'm more of a I'm

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more of a potato or max sides
guy with my party. What kind of

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means go on toast beans? Well, we know his way? Basil?

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Oh, that's right. Did you
guys know that people besides Italian's cooked with

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basil because he discovered it last night. Yea, we are a great playing

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You also discovered that you can fry
basil. It's very good idea. It's

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very tasty when you do that.
So he gave Asians a haul pass to

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use basil as an Italian Well,
at least at least Taiwan, I don't

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know about the others. Looks very
mad. Good thing. It was hours

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to begin with, he said.
Sue Marco Polo took it over there.

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Yeah, big yeah. Video games
that Big Age sucks. You guys are

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crazy. What about Power Rangers that
doesn't. How did you feel about the

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empty green seat? That means as
a possibility, Oh gonna be there.

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That's gonna be fun. And then
had like super Scaler looking levels. Yes,

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yeah, really good. I'm very
It didn't seem like it was exactly

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the same to poper as Shredders were
fans, but it looked very similar.

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I mean, honestly, if there's
other developers that could take that stuff and

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run with it, that's awesome.
Yeah. I I think that's setting up

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to be like a Games as a
Service title, you know, because they

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constantly is rewind, which means she
could potentially keep rewinding into different eras like

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Light Speed Rangers, Ranger, Rangers, Rangers, Dino Thunder, just keeping

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Turbo my Morphine, Turbo RPMs,
really RPM is really rescue or something?

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There's watch you good? What's the
one of the trucks? Is that?

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Like, what's the one with the
trucks? Turbo had a movie? There

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was a Turbo movie. I'm glad
that no one said SPD the Cops season

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became Cop season. Yeah, well, okay, they always arrange a PAB

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you're saying, right, a praphiranger
cop season is crazy because their boss is

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a dog is by averse reverse kind
of like reverse. It is weird that

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the kid is in charge of the
patrol. I think that's yeah, the

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boss child, and it's like his
dog is the German shepherd cop like number

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one cop. When the dog cops
go home, do they have like families

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and houses and stuff? Also like
their puppies pound puppies. You remember that.

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I remember, I remember the toys
puppy Sorry, yeah, yeah,

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hey, there was some Okay.
How do we feel about Jeff Keeley Summer

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game Fest after this many years?
I think he's good, right, I

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think that there. I do wonder
have a legitimate question about whether or not

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he will feel the need to tamper
expectations going into it next. It was

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the right call to table, definitely
a correct call. Does it to every

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show sets expectations? This one?
I think it was the most bird ye

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right. I feel like he,
he of all people, knows that whether

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he likes it or not, it's
fun to theory craft about what we're he

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there. The issue we have now
is people forget that craft disease and they

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start taking it very obviously before,
like I think that people like maybe like

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maybe this could be there overnight will
become this is there. And I feel

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like he's in a situation that where
he has to do it as a like

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preemptive defense mechanism. And I think
he's got really good at like giving himself

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his own shows a score yep,
which like do you have to come back

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to reviewing games. He's gone from
a letter went to the Yeah, I

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show you know lagged there. Other
ads really do kind of grade on me,

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but very add that last quarter I
Go Chicken ad was nuts? How

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long? So it was it really
six minutes? And said so that it

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felt like seventy five years. Yes, I think that's crazy about that ad

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for that game that I've immediately forgotten
the name of. Is that up Runs

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a movie? Yeah, I was
joking. The best jokes are run was

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a game a drink? It's also
a game, yes, thank you,

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But that ad. I have seen
it in smaller chunks on t for the

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half like over the course of the
NHL playoffs, So this is okay over

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there. I watched a lot of
Food Network and h I'm watching commercials constantly,

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so I've seen a lot of that
ad, but I'd never seen them

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put together. So there I will. How many have Hemsworth? All of

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them? It has to be expensive? So like if they if if someone

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was like, we can get Chris
Hemsworth, whichever is that? Chris was

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Chris? That's that's what is the
other one? No? No, no,

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And there's another one, the one
in West Wild. Don't threaten me

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with a third hymn. The other
him to keep out of is Liam who

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was married to Miley Cyrus. Chris
who was? So is it one of

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them? That's Liam? What's the
name of the third Hemsworth? Ringo?

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No, lukem gimmick? Like,
what's his thing? He's a witcher now

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the other guy left and his main
his main gimmick is he was married to

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Miley Cyrus. I see, okay, so he doesn't have like a big

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Thor type role or it's now nothing
like a Thor type role. I see

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garyl is his big role? Now? Got it? Why did that game

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go last? Like? I think
even play the most money placement, I

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didn't really that I keep paying for
the place. I see you can pay

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more money to get I don't know
super Bowl price. So Here's here's how

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I would I would think it was
that super last one, last Game,

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Phantom, Yeah, Phantom, thank
you. Yes, Yeah, I think

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that one probably also paid. It's
hard to like judge because some of these

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things can get in because he thinks
they look cool, just like, yeah,

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come in here, I think you're
gonna make the show better. You're

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And that one is like does have
some like like a momentum behind it.

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I know Baclar has been asking about
it whenever one of these shows happen,

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so some people have been following it. Maybe people are are into it,

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but I definitely also think being the
last thing and paying for it, that

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probably does have a price, and
they probably did pay for it. But

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if like the Chicken Game paid a
minus, he wouldn't put that last.

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Probably some reasonable Yeah, is there
a line? What is the money they

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would have to pay for the Chicken
Game to go on last? Right?

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Yeah? I mean just the and
be like good night everyone. If the

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Bean Game went last. Apparently the
Bean Game could have carried the opening.

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Yes, that was my favorite thing
other than of course Lego Horizon. This

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feels like his thing where he's like, oh the Petho dog Dog. Then

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yeah, yeah, it's that.
Yeah, he's he's too cool for school

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cool. Yeah, that's what he's, Mike Naughty, too cool. Honestly,

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I don't think you watch the tail. He was out back smoking cigarette

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nickel. Yeah, leaning against you
all enjoy your bean games? Where he

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had among us how many bean games? We? Oh, we had the

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trailer for this shows are beans?
No, no, no, it's fall

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guys are really there's too many beans
out there. But yeah, that they

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had like the commercial for that show, and all they've been doing is talking

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about the voice cast in it.
And then we had a completely silent trailer

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for that thing. Yeah, you're
right, that's right. It was silent.

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Names that odd. They've already announced
those names, but I didn't realize

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like Elijah Wood and Eventnical, Yes, good good cast absolutely some of them,

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CPS soever, CBS, right,
I mean it's gonna be like Paramounts.

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Yeah, does anyone here have paramount
Plus? Yes? We used to.

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Was anyone here paid for Paramount Plus? He kicked us all out like

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about a month ago. I think
I pay for it to start watching Yellowstone

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and then that show is really bad, so I stopped. Yeah, I

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pay for it for soccer. Okay, drag Race. There's a bunch of

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drag Race on there, the Star
Trek on there that I stopped watching because

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it was depressing and said, yeah, I mean we were still part of

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CBS when they launched that Picard and
everything, and that's when we all got

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I was very excited for pecard and
I was like, I'm watching a guy

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get his eyeball ripped out of his
socket and like snipped the little eyeball tubes,

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and I was like, oh,
for these things, what a beautiful

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future. Damn, let's do we
ever get another thing with Bloodborne ever again?

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No? For real, are you
accepting that? Or is that like

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co why? I will never fully
accept it. I will accept that.

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It's not worth my time to convince
myself otherwise. I a PS or PC

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version so I never have to use
the deal sense ever again. Sure,

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because it is the worst controller ever
created, mainly because it has legitimately given

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me severe hand problems. It's bad. It's bad, But I guess I

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could also play on another controller,
which is usually what I do. But

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I feel like that game is I
think it's the do not break glass unless

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emergency game, right, like when
Sony stocks are like plumbing PlayStation wise,

406
00:28:41.599 --> 00:28:45.240
they're like break Out the Bloodborne right, because it's like what situation at the

407
00:28:45.319 --> 00:28:48.759
end, like because from software can
command pretty much any fee they want,

408
00:28:48.119 --> 00:28:52.559
so they'd have to pay a huge
amount to get from time. I also

409
00:28:52.680 --> 00:28:55.599
feel like from this is like now
a good man, right yeah, other

410
00:28:55.680 --> 00:28:59.920
things they pay even more. Could
I just give it to like Bluepoint Point

411
00:29:00.200 --> 00:29:03.319
right, So that's probably the one
way that maybe, but I would.

412
00:29:03.359 --> 00:29:07.400
I would happily give it to you. But do you are you satisfied with

413
00:29:07.519 --> 00:29:11.000
a remaster or do you want blood
Borne too? If it's going to be

414
00:29:11.200 --> 00:29:15.119
I'm fine without Bloodborne too. If
it's PC, I would just like it

415
00:29:15.240 --> 00:29:18.759
to be like better frame rate,
yeah, doing all the ports, yeah

416
00:29:19.799 --> 00:29:22.559
yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's just yeah, just make it

417
00:29:22.599 --> 00:29:26.720
playable. It's one of those games
where it's like it runs on PS five,

418
00:29:26.799 --> 00:29:30.799
but it's noticeable that it's like as
four. It's not optimized. It's

419
00:29:30.839 --> 00:29:33.279
more so than any other PS four
game you play on PS five. It's

420
00:29:33.359 --> 00:29:37.160
noticeable as a PS four McDonald's yeah, Lance, Lance has figured it out.

421
00:29:37.200 --> 00:29:40.759
He's playing it in a way that
no one else kind of is.

422
00:29:40.839 --> 00:29:44.319
Right now, But I would I
would love to see more Bloodborne, but

423
00:29:45.039 --> 00:29:48.079
if from software like now we're good, I'll happily just be like, yeah,

424
00:29:48.079 --> 00:29:51.400
it's fine because they're probably working on
something else that there. It feels

425
00:29:51.400 --> 00:29:53.000
like that's where we're at. Yeah, once they produced like a shy game,

426
00:29:53.039 --> 00:29:56.960
that's when I'll be like Bloodborne time, sure better retreat. It's like,

427
00:29:57.039 --> 00:30:00.519
yeah, Disney making Inside Out too, and and other sequels after like

428
00:30:00.720 --> 00:30:04.240
light Year and Yeah, as the
other Street Fighter six fan, were you

429
00:30:04.279 --> 00:30:11.920
excited about the season one? Did? Like very little for me? All

430
00:30:12.319 --> 00:30:15.920
for the season two characters I think
are fun. I like, I like

431
00:30:15.680 --> 00:30:18.480
because I like Street Fighter three.
We got the Fatal Fury characters. This

432
00:30:18.599 --> 00:30:22.400
is the first time that street like
a numbered street Fighter game is getting guest

433
00:30:22.519 --> 00:30:27.200
characters from outside of even or outside
of like the street Fighter world like you

434
00:30:27.279 --> 00:30:30.880
had like Rival Schools and Final Fight
and that's like technically the same universe that

435
00:30:32.000 --> 00:30:34.720
was just people from Fatal Fury are
here and the most popular ones. Do

436
00:30:34.799 --> 00:30:41.119
you feel like that opens up the
door to more fortnighty like like not not

437
00:30:41.519 --> 00:30:45.519
not all the way, but like
Spider Man's not gonna come to me.

438
00:30:45.799 --> 00:30:48.400
There will be other guest characters and
like you might get weird ones like when

439
00:30:48.440 --> 00:30:53.920
Tech and seven had that guy from
the Walking Dead, right, Yeah,

440
00:30:53.920 --> 00:30:59.599
I think it will generally be more
fitting stuff like other fighting game characters.

441
00:30:59.680 --> 00:31:03.240
And you know, there's also a
new fatal theory coming out. It's unbelievable

442
00:31:03.240 --> 00:31:07.319
and knows that I also have a
small dog with me this whole segment and

443
00:31:07.359 --> 00:31:12.200
then just gets up in that cross
But I bet Fatal Fury is gonna kind

444
00:31:12.200 --> 00:31:15.799
of they're going to return the favor
and that's eventually in and get street Fighter.

445
00:31:15.920 --> 00:31:18.319
Yeah, yeah, that's gonna be
fun. I was excited to see

446
00:31:18.319 --> 00:31:19.400
that new trailer too too. I
was happy to see that. That's very

447
00:31:19.400 --> 00:31:23.920
exciting. Yeah, I feel like
the Capcom will unlike Fortnite, Capcom has

448
00:31:25.039 --> 00:31:30.680
like some uh boundaries on maintaining the
integrity of its I P, where like

449
00:31:30.799 --> 00:31:36.720
Fatal Fury kind of works because they've
done Capcom versus S and K crossovers,

450
00:31:37.480 --> 00:31:41.480
so Terry has fault were you many
times and that kind of stuff. But

451
00:31:41.640 --> 00:31:45.720
I feel like once they're like,
oh, how about we put the terminator

452
00:31:45.839 --> 00:31:52.039
in here, it will be like, now that would be sick a terminator

453
00:31:52.039 --> 00:31:57.640
from Terminator three terminator. Yeah,
it's the Terminator is really importantly, Terminator

454
00:31:57.680 --> 00:32:01.599
is in Fortunite asked that was Terminator
three rise the Machine. Yeah, yeah,

455
00:32:01.799 --> 00:32:05.960
thank you for giving it its full
name. Yes, yeah, she

456
00:32:06.079 --> 00:32:09.799
was called Terminatrix among the fans because
people dominated exactly. I don't say that

457
00:32:10.359 --> 00:32:15.640
t X. Which one was Lena
Heaty. I never watched The Terminator Sarah

458
00:32:17.119 --> 00:32:22.640
Sarah? Which one is genis?
Emilia Clark was and Jason Jason Clark or

459
00:32:22.640 --> 00:32:30.279
whatever his name was. One of
the worst movies was The Arnold One back

460
00:32:30.720 --> 00:32:34.279
was a d n F. And
then I felt betray because what Dark Tomorrow?

461
00:32:34.319 --> 00:32:36.640
After that, I remember like everyone
was like, this one's good.

462
00:32:36.680 --> 00:32:39.279
Actually, then I saw that.
I'm like, I guess it's Christian Bale

463
00:32:39.400 --> 00:32:45.960
was Salvation, Yes, Salvation was
christ The Salvation is the one that used

464
00:32:45.960 --> 00:32:49.319
to have a roller coaster at six
Flags. Salvation is the one where he

465
00:32:49.400 --> 00:32:55.559
got caught yelling, Yes him yelling
highline, mate, you're a nice guy.

466
00:32:55.680 --> 00:33:01.519
But that's one of the end they
have Arnold the likeness where it's just

467
00:33:01.640 --> 00:33:05.559
like it's I got a wax thing
of him, just like turning around like

468
00:33:05.680 --> 00:33:09.000
blurry more ground. Yeah, you
think the governor of California then governor.

469
00:33:09.160 --> 00:33:12.519
I think he might have been done
by that point, but he hadn't gone

470
00:33:12.599 --> 00:33:15.519
back into movies. He was what
have an eight years term in California.

471
00:33:15.559 --> 00:33:16.559
He didn't do Escape Plan yet or
we gave him all of it. Do

472
00:33:16.599 --> 00:33:21.279
you think maybe he was governor at
the time. Yeah. Do you think

473
00:33:21.319 --> 00:33:24.079
they overdo a Terminator two remake?
They should not, I hope not.

474
00:33:24.160 --> 00:33:27.400
They should not do no, no, leave it alone. Do you think

475
00:33:27.400 --> 00:33:31.000
they would ever do a reboot with
Terminator one some point, at some point

476
00:33:31.160 --> 00:33:35.920
the well run dry. It would
be like the point blank or paint point

477
00:33:35.960 --> 00:33:38.640
break reated where we about it.
Yeah, yeah, I just break last

478
00:33:38.680 --> 00:33:40.559
week with the friend whould never seen
it? Oh he didn't they do like

479
00:33:40.599 --> 00:33:44.920
remixing. Literally that's not even doesn't
occupy any space in my brain. Never

480
00:33:44.960 --> 00:33:46.359
once thought about it, never saw
it. It'll be like the robot Coop

481
00:33:46.400 --> 00:33:49.880
reboot where I said I was fine, but like not going to make more

482
00:33:49.920 --> 00:33:52.240
than one and ultimately five years later, when you say RoboCop, people still

483
00:33:52.279 --> 00:33:55.640
think about the original rail Now.
If you think about it, Terminated two

484
00:33:55.920 --> 00:34:00.720
is the dock Souls of the dock
Souls of thee. If you think about

485
00:34:00.720 --> 00:34:07.079
it Terminated one, think about that
and then demons the attempt to make it

486
00:34:07.519 --> 00:34:10.519
make you know, establish the framework, and also like visually as well,

487
00:34:10.559 --> 00:34:14.840
it's a little grungey. It doesn't
look as terminated too, is like where

488
00:34:14.880 --> 00:34:19.199
they figured it out perfected. It
almost has bits of it that are on

489
00:34:19.320 --> 00:34:22.800
a bit weird, same as Dark
Soul. Wait what what from weird?

490
00:34:22.960 --> 00:34:25.719
I din't like you visually kind of
stuff. The it still looks great,

491
00:34:25.800 --> 00:34:31.039
the the T one thousand going into
the stuff. Yeah, but it's still

492
00:34:31.400 --> 00:34:35.320
it looks great, but it has
bits of continent, but mostly it's perfect,

493
00:34:35.360 --> 00:34:42.119
so people don't touch it. Which
one is Genesis Amelia Clark and Jason

494
00:34:42.639 --> 00:34:57.000
which yeah, kings there. All
right, we've been putting it off.

495
00:34:57.440 --> 00:35:01.119
Clearly. The most exciting thing was
the horizon and the first Is this the

496
00:35:01.199 --> 00:35:07.039
first PlayStation game going to be published
on a Nintendo console? Yes, that

497
00:35:07.199 --> 00:35:09.400
is weird. I meant you see
why it happens, but it's still kind

498
00:35:09.400 --> 00:35:13.159
of weird. Huh, Yeah,
it's weird. Yeah, I can't wait.

499
00:35:13.400 --> 00:35:15.639
Yeah, when it got announced,
did you all feel like you couldn't

500
00:35:15.679 --> 00:35:20.840
hear anything your flash bang? Yeah
no no no, So in here we

501
00:35:20.920 --> 00:35:23.440
were doing our pre show, you
guys rolling there and I didn't realize that

502
00:35:23.880 --> 00:35:27.840
John Luke had said clear, but
Zach Haddon said clear, and I just

503
00:35:27.920 --> 00:35:31.320
went I got a piss. So
if you were watching the games puts three

504
00:35:31.360 --> 00:35:35.239
when that one came through and I
saw there was like and I was like,

505
00:35:35.519 --> 00:35:37.760
I'm just gonna peek o. Woh, well you you missed out.

506
00:35:37.800 --> 00:35:40.320
You gotta go back and oh yeah. I watched the end of the trailer.

507
00:35:40.400 --> 00:35:45.000
I watched the Oh come on,
you look more cheery and joy pretty

508
00:35:45.000 --> 00:35:50.360
exciting. Yeah, franchise merging with
one of the biggest toy brands in the

509
00:35:50.440 --> 00:35:52.920
world. Uh huh. A lot
of exciting possibility space there. You feel

510
00:35:52.960 --> 00:35:57.800
lucky to have Horizon. I think
I'm just concerned for the exposure of that

511
00:35:58.280 --> 00:36:02.039
franchise. What do you mean as
and like they they showed up and they

512
00:36:02.079 --> 00:36:06.280
were like, we're making eight games
in this universe, and I'm just like,

513
00:36:06.639 --> 00:36:08.440
are you sure? Maybe you shouldn't
make that many games at once?

514
00:36:08.519 --> 00:36:14.119
How do you think that happens?
I had the former head of Gorilla but

515
00:36:17.239 --> 00:36:21.960
always head of the studios for a
long time now. But I mean,

516
00:36:22.039 --> 00:36:23.440
like, I feel like there's a
lot of buzz around. There was a

517
00:36:23.519 --> 00:36:29.679
lot of buzz around the first horizon
and the second horizon for many people,

518
00:36:29.880 --> 00:36:32.000
rightly so. And I think that's
when they were like, we got a

519
00:36:32.039 --> 00:36:37.000
banger on our hands. Let all
systems go. It isn't this what happened

520
00:36:37.039 --> 00:36:42.519
with kill Zone? Though, yes, well no I should do that.

521
00:36:43.559 --> 00:36:46.880
But this exact like, this exact
thing happened with kill Zone and Resistance.

522
00:36:47.320 --> 00:36:52.960
Yeah, but those franchises weren't very
good. Yeah, and Horizons fucking great?

523
00:36:53.519 --> 00:37:00.119
Did you? Did you see my
reaction? Yeah? Where's your am?

524
00:37:00.159 --> 00:37:01.800
Like it? Even if you're so
big, you're gonna sit up there

525
00:37:02.199 --> 00:37:07.760
high and mighty and judge Horizon.
What's wrong? Are you a Horizon defender?

526
00:37:07.039 --> 00:37:09.719
Yeah? Well we all are.
Yeah, and what not? Don't

527
00:37:12.280 --> 00:37:15.159
you like it a lot? Yeah? We all do. I mean yeah,

528
00:37:17.199 --> 00:37:22.000
I forgot that. We loved that. Yeah, very Oh boy,

529
00:37:22.039 --> 00:37:24.559
we were talking about that was gonna
be our tire year. Was pretending we

530
00:37:24.599 --> 00:37:30.639
were gonna like Horizon from a lego, not last ten minutes. Let him

531
00:37:30.639 --> 00:37:32.559
get your whole wrestling beds or whatever. I don't really know how this works.

532
00:37:32.599 --> 00:37:36.800
Sorry, you didn't say for shoot. He was excited to shoot,

533
00:37:36.840 --> 00:37:40.119
but he had a prop He was
excited at the leaf flower back. So

534
00:37:40.199 --> 00:37:45.159
you remember what he dropt to throw
sugar cubes at beat. You're not allowed

535
00:37:45.199 --> 00:37:50.760
to try to catch one. No, absolutely not cut to I'm like on

536
00:37:50.840 --> 00:37:54.039
a sugar if you've been you I
don't know why, but I've been holding

537
00:37:54.079 --> 00:37:57.440
it. But all right, we're
gonna try this. I him away,

538
00:37:57.519 --> 00:38:00.920
Can I go? I can go
like you can. Gow got the one

539
00:38:00.960 --> 00:38:09.599
shot one shot. I'm gonna lie
mom spaghetti. That was pick it up?

540
00:38:09.800 --> 00:38:17.519
I love you, blew it throw? Yeah, so this is again

541
00:38:17.559 --> 00:38:30.719
here there we go rights weat you
got leave that's ever happened? Which thanks

542
00:38:30.760 --> 00:38:36.119
for the zoom a couple out here. All right? How about that slit

543
00:38:36.199 --> 00:38:37.880
ahead? Though I'm a big slitterhead
guy, everyone says that about me,

544
00:38:38.039 --> 00:38:40.199
and no one in the room was
happy. I'll help how many times I

545
00:38:40.239 --> 00:38:51.679
said, said, it's the name
of the game, that's dragon Age,

546
00:38:51.760 --> 00:38:57.000
the slitterhead that's way better. All
the game is just picking that from?

547
00:38:57.119 --> 00:39:00.559
Well other games? Could you pull
off the dragon Age to make a title

548
00:39:00.559 --> 00:39:05.039
with? Then the veil God dragon
Age? We the sims dragon Age.

549
00:39:08.000 --> 00:39:10.480
All right, I've been giving the
wrap up signal. We're gonna get out

550
00:39:10.480 --> 00:39:15.320
of here, everybody. We got
a lot more happening tonight here for GB

551
00:39:15.440 --> 00:39:17.239
at Night stick around. We got
at least four or five more segments,

552
00:39:17.239 --> 00:39:20.559
a lot of friends coming by.
It's gonna get rowdy, I'm sure.

553
00:39:21.000 --> 00:39:23.119
Uh. For the first that was
Giant Bomb. That was the crew.

554
00:39:23.480 --> 00:39:28.639
Everybody way, bye, I love
you, I love you, Bye,

555
00:39:29.159 --> 00:39:35.079
catch you next time. Hi Mom. Fifteen minutes. I've not heard enough

556
00:39:35.079 --> 00:39:37.960
about video games, so we're gonna
fix that right now. I'm Jeff Grubb,

557
00:39:37.079 --> 00:39:40.400
Giant Bomb. We're back for GB
at Night Live in Los Angeles.

558
00:39:40.840 --> 00:39:45.400
It's night one. We're just getting
started, so we got a whole new

559
00:39:45.599 --> 00:39:49.960
round on the couch starting here with
my friend Tom Caswell. Tom, how's

560
00:39:50.000 --> 00:39:52.440
it going? It's going great.
I am very excited. My first SGF

561
00:39:52.559 --> 00:39:58.000
in person. Oh really so uh
just great to be here on the ground.

562
00:39:58.079 --> 00:40:01.440
Got Jacob Decker. How's it on
from Game Spot? Do you feel

563
00:40:01.480 --> 00:40:06.320
naked without the mic? I feel
it feels weird? Okay, now I

564
00:40:06.400 --> 00:40:10.679
got all the mic. Can't be
good that yeah, Lex Lutty, how's

565
00:40:10.679 --> 00:40:14.519
it going? You can't say it's
night one. I've been in l A

566
00:40:14.599 --> 00:40:16.239
for a fucking week. It's not
my fault. Are you one of these

567
00:40:16.239 --> 00:40:21.079
people? That like ten Cent flew
in, Yeah, let's go, and

568
00:40:22.639 --> 00:40:23.800
we've seen it. We've seen a
game. We didn't see much of a

569
00:40:23.880 --> 00:40:27.199
game, but like we've just sort
of been left to our own devices.

570
00:40:27.519 --> 00:40:30.280
So I've just been going around l
a money. Well, they just showed

571
00:40:30.320 --> 00:40:31.559
you a case. They just like
shows you, like, here's a game.

572
00:40:31.960 --> 00:40:37.159
They shows you a hard drive.
Yeah, there you go, which

573
00:40:37.159 --> 00:40:40.199
I can say, okay, the
of the hard drive. But yeah,

574
00:40:40.199 --> 00:40:43.800
Super Nintendo World was great and was
worth fine all the way out here for

575
00:40:44.000 --> 00:40:46.400
so that sounds great. I'm from
play magazine and I also don sat men.

576
00:40:46.440 --> 00:40:49.599
You check it out. It's cool, awesome, Kurt and Dovina.

577
00:40:50.519 --> 00:40:52.599
What if we didn't talk about games, I think it's very unlikely we're actually

578
00:40:52.599 --> 00:40:54.480
gonna spend most of this time you
want. I mean, as you started

579
00:40:54.519 --> 00:40:57.800
this off being like, oh I
haven't got enough of talk about games.

580
00:40:57.840 --> 00:41:00.320
Well, the other night I was
favorite about the cold opens, these segments,

581
00:41:00.320 --> 00:41:02.440
and they all just left my brain. How do you like your eggs

582
00:41:04.679 --> 00:41:07.800
over over easy? And then when
I'm gonna have them on a sandwich sober

583
00:41:07.880 --> 00:41:10.239
medium, never scrambled, I don't
like a little so you get a bit

584
00:41:10.280 --> 00:41:15.719
of that gooey leak. Jill groats
here, Why didn't you have to introduce

585
00:41:15.760 --> 00:41:19.800
me after gooey leak? You're right, that was inappropriate, and I apologize

586
00:41:20.039 --> 00:41:23.840
about eggs. You can. This
is more about you than Yeah, okay,

587
00:41:24.000 --> 00:41:28.519
Hi, I'm Jill Grote, the
Indie Informer. I write about indie

588
00:41:28.599 --> 00:41:30.920
games, and there were a lot
of them today. Yeah, it was

589
00:41:30.960 --> 00:41:32.159
a pretty good day for indie games. I was actually that was some of

590
00:41:32.199 --> 00:41:35.639
the stuff I was most excited for. For sure. Heely has remind you

591
00:41:35.719 --> 00:41:38.840
every moment, this is an indie
game. This is one maybe one may

592
00:41:38.920 --> 00:41:45.280
one mom in his basement and he's
only allowed aush outlaws. Yeah, you

593
00:41:45.400 --> 00:41:50.360
make an indie game with more than
one person, you're not allowed. You

594
00:41:51.159 --> 00:41:53.719
mane all seriousness. I've had this
argument with people. There are people who

595
00:41:53.800 --> 00:41:58.559
believe that you cannot be an indie
game if you're not like one or two

596
00:41:58.599 --> 00:42:00.639
people in a basement. Let's just
lunacy. I have so little patience for

597
00:42:00.719 --> 00:42:04.840
that. Yeah right, I would
just I would give those people a wedgie.

598
00:42:05.400 --> 00:42:10.159
That's I think that's the best way
to handle them. Eggs. We

599
00:42:10.239 --> 00:42:13.559
were talking about eggs, and every
time I think about eggs, I think

600
00:42:13.599 --> 00:42:21.400
about Dan Reichert and I don't love
that I have. That's unfortunate. Yeah,

601
00:42:21.480 --> 00:42:23.400
so I should. My parents are
probably watching and it's like two am

602
00:42:23.519 --> 00:42:27.639
in Ireland. And I told them
the egg White story when I was trying

603
00:42:27.639 --> 00:42:30.880
to explain them, like the people
I go on like stream with sometimes,

604
00:42:30.920 --> 00:42:32.159
so that like they understood what I
did for a job. And I told

605
00:42:32.199 --> 00:42:35.760
them the egg White story and they
were like, are you hanging out with

606
00:42:35.840 --> 00:42:39.440
like the people background? Yeah?
Are they aware of the tea story that

607
00:42:39.519 --> 00:42:45.519
I just did today? What the
fuck is wrong with you? It's literally

608
00:42:45.519 --> 00:42:49.079
the first time in my life I've
ever made tea like that. I made

609
00:42:49.119 --> 00:42:51.599
sure for mo Day like which I
has like loosely. If you put in

610
00:42:51.679 --> 00:42:53.599
the gourd and all that stuff,
I can handle a gourd all right.

611
00:42:53.920 --> 00:42:59.920
When it comes to like the tea
bass, I can handle a gord.

612
00:43:00.440 --> 00:43:05.000
But I thought Bailey's like I got
the throat coat, which is the name

613
00:43:05.039 --> 00:43:07.039
of the tea, and uh,
and I'm like, yeah, I need

614
00:43:07.119 --> 00:43:09.280
that. I'd be talking all night
to night. That's gonna be very handy.

615
00:43:09.639 --> 00:43:13.760
And I read the instructions and it
says I saw the perferated edge.

616
00:43:13.800 --> 00:43:15.400
That's the first thing I saw,
and I realized I probably supposed to open

617
00:43:15.400 --> 00:43:17.559
it, but then I read the
instructions and it's like, no, dog,

618
00:43:17.679 --> 00:43:21.840
just throw that shit in there.
It assumed that I would just know

619
00:43:22.320 --> 00:43:25.320
because I'm a living, breathing human
that I've experienced tea bags before, and

620
00:43:25.400 --> 00:43:30.599
instead I just threw the packaging in
there. That way experience, and I

621
00:43:30.719 --> 00:43:32.800
was like, why is the water
not changing? Yeah? My biggest question

622
00:43:32.880 --> 00:43:36.159
with that is how long it took
you to realize? Well, yeah,

623
00:43:36.239 --> 00:43:37.480
so the on the thing it says
like let it step for a long time,

624
00:43:37.559 --> 00:43:40.199
like ten to fifteen minutes. So
I walked away, so and I

625
00:43:40.320 --> 00:43:45.159
was doing other stuff and I just
hear Janelle and Lucy come around the corner

626
00:43:45.199 --> 00:43:49.400
and it's Lucy very British. See, I thought you were just trying to

627
00:43:49.480 --> 00:43:51.800
roast them from being British, you
know, like, here's your tea you

628
00:43:51.840 --> 00:43:58.159
would throw right. Yeah. Jeff
came up to me right after. He

629
00:43:58.280 --> 00:44:00.280
was like, I'm doing so good. I got my throat was steeping right

630
00:44:00.280 --> 00:44:02.320
in the rock, and I was
like, Jeff, let's fucking go.

631
00:44:02.920 --> 00:44:07.079
And then I find out like fifteen
minutes later, it's like he's been he's

632
00:44:07.079 --> 00:44:12.000
been steeping a plastic fucking bag.
That's how you get the plastics in the

633
00:44:12.039 --> 00:44:16.159
balls. Apparently where the microplass went
from. Yeah, yeah, screw microplastic,

634
00:44:17.360 --> 00:44:21.880
give me the macro plastic. Yeah, that's what I need for my

635
00:44:21.960 --> 00:44:24.920
gorg. Yeah. I don't know. How's everyone going. I'm actually really

636
00:44:24.960 --> 00:44:29.719
offended right now? Yeah? Was
that because I'm the sort of person and

637
00:44:29.800 --> 00:44:34.719
I'm about to out myself. Sorry
everybody that travels with tea. Oh okay,

638
00:44:34.800 --> 00:44:37.840
I can't not have tea in the
appropriate form. I just went to

639
00:44:37.960 --> 00:44:45.159
Ireland for my tenth year anniversary,
and you can order tea everywhere everywhere.

640
00:44:45.239 --> 00:44:50.960
It's the best country. Gas.
We literally don't drink anything else. Do

641
00:44:51.039 --> 00:44:53.840
you get Can you get it at
the bank? Yes? That's actually I

642
00:44:53.880 --> 00:44:58.159
mean there's someone someone the bank would
be like, oh, do you want

643
00:44:58.159 --> 00:45:02.400
a couple? Can you get it? Uh? Uh in the d m

644
00:45:02.480 --> 00:45:07.079
V. Yeah, I don't know. There's a Yeah, we have a

645
00:45:07.119 --> 00:45:12.119
different thing. Must be great.
I went to the first bar I went

646
00:45:12.199 --> 00:45:15.239
to. I asked, kind of
sheepishly, like do you just do you

647
00:45:15.360 --> 00:45:21.199
happen to have any tea that I
could drink? And this person looked at

648
00:45:21.239 --> 00:45:24.800
me like I had had grown a
second head. It's like, of course

649
00:45:24.960 --> 00:45:29.320
we have tea. So the other
side of that is I was at a

650
00:45:29.360 --> 00:45:31.199
bar the other night and I like
asked for some coffee and they're like all

651
00:45:31.239 --> 00:45:35.320
coffee machines turned off. And the
person came up to me and was like,

652
00:45:35.400 --> 00:45:37.280
do you want to tea? And
reactively I went yeah, sure what

653
00:45:37.360 --> 00:45:39.159
I was and then their lives were
like a nice tea and I was like,

654
00:45:39.239 --> 00:45:43.440
oh no, this is fucking terrible. They have sugar in it.

655
00:45:43.599 --> 00:45:45.320
Yeah, yeah, I don't like
the sugar. Yeah, I gotta go

656
00:45:45.360 --> 00:45:47.800
on sweetened. Yeah, but that's
what that is what I drink now,

657
00:45:47.880 --> 00:45:53.199
fast food, you know, can't
pop anymore. I'm sorry. I'm from

658
00:45:53.239 --> 00:45:57.880
the Midwest. You're from the Midwest
Ohio. Yeah yeah, my family's from

659
00:45:57.920 --> 00:46:00.679
that way. So I was immediately
just rusty. Yeah. I do try

660
00:46:00.719 --> 00:46:04.440
to say soda pop now because I'm
not going to just say soda. Yes,

661
00:46:05.039 --> 00:46:07.880
I say soda, well, okay, I'm not saying soda pop,

662
00:46:07.960 --> 00:46:12.840
And like, I think you should
build up that per sona. I'm coming

663
00:46:12.880 --> 00:46:15.920
back to pop. Isn't there a
secret third option? Yeah? In Georgia

664
00:46:15.960 --> 00:46:20.840
they just say coke for I'm gonna
give me a coke sprite. I think

665
00:46:20.880 --> 00:46:24.840
that's how they say, yeah sprites, it's all coke, Give me a

666
00:46:24.880 --> 00:46:34.800
bubble, bubble bubble. But so, yeah, you want to talk about

667
00:46:34.800 --> 00:46:37.840
games now, curt Is that why
I have no interest? Yeah, you

668
00:46:37.880 --> 00:46:43.559
guys, he talks about games little
today. I talked about three out of

669
00:46:43.599 --> 00:46:50.119
the fifty. So slither Head,
whither Slitterhead, Yes, slither Blitherhead in

670
00:46:50.239 --> 00:46:52.679
his reality he lives in a different
demo. Honestly, they should have named

671
00:46:52.679 --> 00:46:55.960
it Slitherhead because I could say that
like easier than instead of this dirty,

672
00:46:57.000 --> 00:47:00.679
weird, horrible that they can copy
it. Just have you played Let It

673
00:47:00.760 --> 00:47:02.960
Die? Yes? Yeah, it
gives off let It Die vibes And I

674
00:47:04.039 --> 00:47:07.840
mean that. I know it looks
really so excessive for how like terrible and

675
00:47:07.960 --> 00:47:14.440
siff It's going to be Thank you, Thank you, Jake. Here many

676
00:47:14.480 --> 00:47:17.599
copies of balin Wonder World. I'm
a big fan of games that are Yeah,

677
00:47:19.679 --> 00:47:22.800
speaking of I have presents for you, and I didn't bring them with

678
00:47:22.840 --> 00:47:25.039
you tonight. Why did Why did
balin Wonder World remind you of that?

679
00:47:25.679 --> 00:47:30.199
Because I like to hand those out
to my other friends and I'm a shitty

680
00:47:30.239 --> 00:47:36.760
person. I have several copies of
that game already unfortunately. Yeah, Jake,

681
00:47:36.840 --> 00:47:38.719
when we set off the leaf blower
earlier, did you did I hear

682
00:47:38.800 --> 00:47:42.760
you did that? Bother you?
Well, I was actually at the phantom

683
00:47:42.800 --> 00:47:47.519
office, but it was an issue. Yeah, there's one person in this

684
00:47:47.719 --> 00:47:53.480
room who hasn't shut up about He
could also actually hear it from the fandom

685
00:47:53.480 --> 00:47:59.039
office. Yeah, I love it. I was like, I was like,

686
00:47:59.079 --> 00:48:05.480
bad that it's gonna beat about.
And then immediately how loud was it

687
00:48:05.960 --> 00:48:12.079
fucking loud? We're sitting here and
it's just like I'm concentrating and being like,

688
00:48:12.199 --> 00:48:14.599
Lucy James, would you like to
talk about your favorite game? Dragon

689
00:48:14.639 --> 00:48:19.920
A? And it sounded like a
space ship going off. Imagine hadn't been

690
00:48:19.960 --> 00:48:24.239
blown right, screw. I heard
today that we the police came in or

691
00:48:24.320 --> 00:48:29.559
the the the fandom police, US
US, the co worker police came into

692
00:48:29.599 --> 00:48:31.679
your stream and was like shut up. They turned it off, and then

693
00:48:32.239 --> 00:48:40.039
by an act of God fell an
Dan. Yeah, we were in there

694
00:48:40.199 --> 00:48:44.400
messing around with it and then someone
comes in. You gotta knock it off

695
00:48:44.480 --> 00:48:46.599
with the leaf blower. Those are
the exact words. And then so Dan

696
00:48:46.679 --> 00:48:50.400
does put it off to the side, and it was it's just sitting there,

697
00:48:50.599 --> 00:48:52.559
and then he starts talking about the
bit, like, here's what we're

698
00:48:52.559 --> 00:48:53.599
gonna do with the leaf blower.
And this is when you guys were going

699
00:48:53.639 --> 00:48:55.440
to be off, Like you would
have been done by this point. It

700
00:48:55.480 --> 00:48:59.920
would have been perfectly fine. But
he's talking about it while you were still

701
00:49:00.079 --> 00:49:02.559
on. And as he's talking about
it, it begins to fall and I

702
00:49:02.599 --> 00:49:05.880
see him like Dan, Dan,
Dan, and then it just hits the

703
00:49:05.920 --> 00:49:19.920
ground and explodes on So that is
appropriate. What's in appropriate about that?

704
00:49:20.519 --> 00:49:23.360
I think your hair is a little
no, no, no, you're talking

705
00:49:23.400 --> 00:49:27.639
about question. How to explain this
one to my parents? No, they're

706
00:49:27.679 --> 00:49:31.920
watching right, you know, explanatory. I got the context. So you're

707
00:49:31.920 --> 00:49:38.639
all excited for Lego Horizons too.
Yeah, Honestly, that game, uh

708
00:49:39.360 --> 00:49:45.679
looked really cool and we were we
were talking about it and and I'm still

709
00:49:45.760 --> 00:49:50.639
not clear on whether it is a
retelling, but I talk man, of

710
00:49:50.719 --> 00:49:54.320
course it is. It's coming out
on switch as well, which is wild.

711
00:49:54.679 --> 00:49:59.639
It's that station game coming out on
switch. There's no there's no bounds

712
00:49:59.679 --> 00:50:01.599
anymore. There's no God, yeah, there's no there. We could tell

713
00:50:01.639 --> 00:50:07.280
because the hot Dog Man just like
the Horizon. Yeah, Lego Horizon Vengan.

714
00:50:07.480 --> 00:50:09.239
Yeah, I thought I I thought
it would look more in line with

715
00:50:10.199 --> 00:50:15.320
previous like Lego games, maybe what
they had done with skywalk O Saga,

716
00:50:15.440 --> 00:50:19.559
making it this third person thing.
But they made it more like the diorama.

717
00:50:20.079 --> 00:50:22.239
It looked like the diorama, and
it was way more creative, I

718
00:50:22.360 --> 00:50:28.519
felt, than just the simple idea
of it being a Lego version of Horizon.

719
00:50:28.679 --> 00:50:31.239
So honestly, I think that that
was such a strong showing. I

720
00:50:31.280 --> 00:50:34.639
mean, like Traveler Stales has been
like doing this for so long. At

721
00:50:34.639 --> 00:50:36.559
a certain point, if they're gonna
do it, they're just like gonna put

722
00:50:36.599 --> 00:50:37.800
it all in there, right,
They're gonna make it feel like a real

723
00:50:37.880 --> 00:50:43.599
big effort that came across for sure. It's still it still makes zero sense

724
00:50:43.639 --> 00:50:45.000
to me. I don't. I
guess, like, how does it happen

725
00:50:45.039 --> 00:50:47.559
people like well, because Herman Holst
is in charge now, but it's like

726
00:50:47.599 --> 00:50:51.000
you have to go like to a
whole other company and ask them to make

727
00:50:51.039 --> 00:50:52.840
this game. I just don't.
I still don't fully understand how it happens.

728
00:50:53.519 --> 00:50:57.440
I wonder if PlayStation is just I
mean, what you know. Astrobot

729
00:50:57.599 --> 00:51:00.920
is one of the big games coming
out everyone's excited for that. I wonder

730
00:51:00.000 --> 00:51:05.679
if one of their strategies is just
more family friendly games than known Forgot of

731
00:51:05.760 --> 00:51:09.920
War, Last of Us. She
needs it desperately, like there their whole

732
00:51:09.960 --> 00:51:15.760
identity's just been like gruff guy and
then a loy and like I don't know,

733
00:51:15.239 --> 00:51:19.320
like there's there's it's a weird thing
to see, like this transition of

734
00:51:19.519 --> 00:51:22.639
gaming and I'm sure it's God damn
it, we're talking about games. This

735
00:51:22.760 --> 00:51:24.920
is not what I was playing.
All I'm trying to say is like if

736
00:51:24.960 --> 00:51:29.320
there's a gap in which like games
for younger audiences you have kids, Like

737
00:51:29.360 --> 00:51:31.320
I'm sure you want your children to
be able to play like decent games games

738
00:51:31.360 --> 00:51:34.159
and not like grow up and like
return to a game they play. Be

739
00:51:34.199 --> 00:51:37.199
like this ship because most in cases, like the kids games or licensed games

740
00:51:37.199 --> 00:51:39.199
are bad. What they're bad.
I mean the games we played in childhood

741
00:51:39.239 --> 00:51:43.079
were bad, some of them.
Some of them because She's Island will always

742
00:51:43.119 --> 00:51:47.719
be the best. But I'm glad
I played it was the best actually,

743
00:51:49.320 --> 00:51:52.639
she said the best. Bet Yes, it's terrible. Anyways, I'm glad

744
00:51:52.679 --> 00:51:55.119
to see PlayStation for a little.
I give them a lot of ship,

745
00:51:55.119 --> 00:51:58.119
but I'm glad to see them at
least like trying to be like, oh,

746
00:51:58.119 --> 00:52:00.360
we should be good games for like
brought her out, Yes, and

747
00:52:00.679 --> 00:52:01.800
that's definitely what it went for.
Reckons. Also, when you said that,

748
00:52:01.960 --> 00:52:05.119
I was like, I think Dan's
gonna think she said bad. I

749
00:52:05.239 --> 00:52:07.920
checked on you and it looked over
and you were upset. Yeah, you

750
00:52:07.039 --> 00:52:10.119
were like this, should I tell
people games that I played as a kid

751
00:52:10.199 --> 00:52:15.000
to like upset them? Oh yeah, okay, you're a very young person.

752
00:52:15.159 --> 00:52:17.119
You have the floor. Yeah,
like Fallout three and New Vegas I

753
00:52:17.159 --> 00:52:22.000
played when I was like eleven twelve. I'm fine with that, yes,

754
00:52:22.079 --> 00:52:24.440
Sky when I was thirty. Oh
yeah, yeah, we got to be

755
00:52:24.480 --> 00:52:28.920
young together. That's good. It's
great being on content with these old fuckers.

756
00:52:29.360 --> 00:52:30.960
Yeah, that's fair. No,
that's not. It's not fair though,

757
00:52:31.360 --> 00:52:37.000
because because we're at the point where
we're getting a new generation old age.

758
00:52:37.159 --> 00:52:42.719
Yeah old. So I've had people
who will remain nameless you know who

759
00:52:42.760 --> 00:52:46.000
you are, who have been honest, Like you see that really old movie

760
00:52:46.159 --> 00:52:52.320
The Matrix and I'm like, oh, okay, I mean it is twenty

761
00:52:52.400 --> 00:52:54.159
five years old. I was gonna
say, yeah, like nineteen ninety nine.

762
00:52:54.199 --> 00:52:58.159
Oh, we don't believe that that
movie did come out before I was

763
00:52:58.239 --> 00:53:01.360
born. Yeah, yeah, that's
deeply upsetting. Yeah, yeah, that

764
00:53:01.440 --> 00:53:05.519
was a little upsetting. That was
well, you guys went to the Poland

765
00:53:05.559 --> 00:53:07.840
right, Yes, I didn't need
your Poland, but well yeah, and

766
00:53:08.039 --> 00:53:13.000
we were both in Poland for that
eleven Bit Studios thing. Interesting event.

767
00:53:14.000 --> 00:53:17.239
It was like, so eleven Bit
flew us out to see the Altars and

768
00:53:17.960 --> 00:53:24.440
Frostpunk too. I like have never
fucking played a strategy city builder sort of

769
00:53:24.480 --> 00:53:30.800
thing. Neither one of the demo
people walked by and was like are you

770
00:53:30.920 --> 00:53:34.159
still on the tutorial and I was
like I don't know, and they were

771
00:53:34.239 --> 00:53:36.000
like, I can help you get
through it, and I was like no,

772
00:53:36.239 --> 00:53:38.320
I'm going to figure it out.
And then it spent the entire time

773
00:53:38.400 --> 00:53:42.079
in the toy, so you could
skip the two toil and just get onto

774
00:53:42.119 --> 00:53:45.679
the city thing and like it's it
puts you a little bit into the future

775
00:53:45.199 --> 00:53:49.679
and you're a bit like you have
like a city running. And the whole

776
00:53:49.719 --> 00:53:52.960
demo was me basically being like,
oh, this city is falling apart and

777
00:53:52.039 --> 00:53:54.360
then like it's time. I was
like good because my people were about start

778
00:53:54.400 --> 00:54:00.360
eating each other. But yeah,
that that game is fucking intense. It

779
00:54:00.440 --> 00:54:02.480
seems like a lash. Yeah.
The first one, I had a religious

780
00:54:02.480 --> 00:54:06.519
police order that would go to people's
houses and just make them work if I

781
00:54:06.559 --> 00:54:09.599
needed them to work. Convenient.
Yeah, exactly, it was very convenient.

782
00:54:10.079 --> 00:54:14.639
Yeah, okay, how about the
review? Last night we watched mcgruber.

783
00:54:14.840 --> 00:54:16.480
Oh I don't, I mean,
I don't fully know. Let me

784
00:54:16.639 --> 00:54:20.800
let me set the stage. So, yeah, we we had we'd gone

785
00:54:20.800 --> 00:54:23.039
out to hang out. Jake and
I actually got a car back earlier,

786
00:54:23.119 --> 00:54:25.400
so it was just the two of
us. And then I ran into you

787
00:54:25.480 --> 00:54:30.119
in the hallway. We were on
the same floor, our rooms. You

788
00:54:30.119 --> 00:54:31.000
will hold it. You were just
stand in the hall way with an emmy,

789
00:54:32.119 --> 00:54:37.559
and and I said where did you
get that? And then you a

790
00:54:37.639 --> 00:54:42.079
little intoxicateable, like you don't think
I can win an Emmy. I was

791
00:54:42.239 --> 00:54:44.679
like, that's not what I said. I'm just curious where you got it.

792
00:54:44.719 --> 00:54:45.760
And then you went up to Dan. You're like, Dan, Tom

793
00:54:45.800 --> 00:54:49.119
doesn't think I can win an Emmy. I was like, Jeff, I

794
00:54:49.199 --> 00:54:51.960
think a very winning an emmy.
Just curious where I go. I have

795
00:54:52.039 --> 00:54:55.800
my doubts. But anyway, so
the emmy was Mary is Mary Kish from

796
00:54:55.920 --> 00:55:00.440
from twitch. She was there and
I was invited to. We all jumped

797
00:55:00.480 --> 00:55:05.639
in dance bed and watch Magrooba's right, And why did Mary bring the emmy

798
00:55:05.679 --> 00:55:07.000
though? Like does she just bring
that with her? Now? I understand,

799
00:55:07.239 --> 00:55:09.800
Yeah, she's trying to big people. Yeah, that's what she's doing.

800
00:55:09.880 --> 00:55:14.039
I'm sorry, I can't talk think
in an office that might not be

801
00:55:14.159 --> 00:55:15.960
in office for very long. And
she wanted to like rescue it because it

802
00:55:16.079 --> 00:55:21.519
twitches, but it's hers on fire
escape anytime. Have you ever had a

803
00:55:21.719 --> 00:55:23.320
you know, she's talked about it
before you talked about her. I mean,

804
00:55:23.440 --> 00:55:28.719
right, so a bunch bigger than
I thought. I didn't hold it.

805
00:55:29.440 --> 00:55:31.119
I honestly thought it was fake for
most of the time until I realized

806
00:55:31.239 --> 00:55:34.920
this is a real Emmy. But
it's big. It's big, Okay.

807
00:55:35.000 --> 00:55:40.039
So Magruba aged like milk and I
don't know if it's not. But I'll

808
00:55:40.079 --> 00:55:45.039
tell you what. There was one
bit in it that had us all rolling

809
00:55:45.079 --> 00:55:47.159
on the floor, and that was
when he says to someone, you'll loco

810
00:55:47.320 --> 00:55:52.360
man, and they translated to you. I think that was probably you know,

811
00:55:52.480 --> 00:55:57.960
Dan talked about extream how the room
is listening, and like sent him

812
00:55:57.960 --> 00:56:00.760
alerts that like the decibel was too
high, and I'm pretty sure that that

813
00:56:00.960 --> 00:56:05.440
was one. Yeah, there was
some really funny jokes on there. Vull

814
00:56:05.480 --> 00:56:07.920
Kilma crushing it. Oh yeah,
yeah, there's some good bits. But

815
00:56:08.239 --> 00:56:10.639
I also think it is a movie
that gets funnier the more times you watch

816
00:56:10.679 --> 00:56:14.159
it. That's that's one of those. It's called starckhom syndrome. Yeah,

817
00:56:14.159 --> 00:56:16.400
I don't know if I'm going to
be doing that. What's the difference My

818
00:56:16.480 --> 00:56:21.280
little time in La like Magooble kind
of just seems like America. Yeah,

819
00:56:21.400 --> 00:56:23.719
yeah, that's fair. Okay,
for real, how do you find America?

820
00:56:24.360 --> 00:56:28.239
So I've been here like twice before, or yeah, twice before Boston

821
00:56:28.320 --> 00:56:30.920
and New York, and it's my
first time in La, New York in

822
00:56:31.039 --> 00:56:35.119
La Okay, yeah, tearless here
in a second, but go ahead,

823
00:56:35.760 --> 00:56:40.199
it's New York, Boston, Lay, let's be real. But it's been

824
00:56:40.239 --> 00:56:44.079
weird being here for like a week
and just being like, well, I'm

825
00:56:44.119 --> 00:56:45.719
gonna try to like find out,
like I don't drive, how do I

826
00:56:45.800 --> 00:56:50.280
get to anything? So like gotten
to the cinema because that's near me.

827
00:56:50.800 --> 00:56:54.000
I've gone to Nintendo World because that
was the day out, and then I

828
00:56:54.199 --> 00:56:58.199
just fucking fucked around. I went
to a little Tokyo that was cool.

829
00:56:58.519 --> 00:57:00.880
A lot of this trip has made
me be like, oh, I should

830
00:57:00.880 --> 00:57:05.440
go to TGS. I should fucking
go to TGS and go to Nintendo World

831
00:57:05.519 --> 00:57:14.400
in Tokyo, go to GDC.
I pty should It's It's better. I

832
00:57:14.519 --> 00:57:16.920
was going to say. I was
going to say another place, and then

833
00:57:16.960 --> 00:57:22.280
I was like, actually, I'm
not gonna bend that bitch. GDC is

834
00:57:22.360 --> 00:57:24.400
fantastic though, and I'm not going
to say that. I'm in San Francisco.

835
00:57:24.639 --> 00:57:30.920
Sure, Joe, how how are
things over? Indian Former doing very

836
00:57:30.960 --> 00:57:35.760
well? Both John Carson, who
is my news editor, and I are

837
00:57:35.880 --> 00:57:42.000
here. Apparently today was just a
day for indies. So I usually roll

838
00:57:42.119 --> 00:57:45.559
up to the Summer Game Fest showcase, uh and just like kind of laugh

839
00:57:45.599 --> 00:57:47.960
at everybody. So I'm like,
you guys have to work, and I'm

840
00:57:49.000 --> 00:57:52.639
gonna have like one India that shows
up and it's gonna be fine. And

841
00:57:52.760 --> 00:57:55.920
then the indies that I were expecting
showed up, and then the indies are

842
00:57:57.119 --> 00:58:00.639
definitely wasn't expecting to show it up, Like, oh, I need to

843
00:58:00.719 --> 00:58:05.000
be working, So I'm like busily
on my phone texting and the woman behind

844
00:58:05.079 --> 00:58:08.280
me with her like young impressionable son
was like, this is how you don't

845
00:58:08.320 --> 00:58:12.159
want to act, son, Like
you don't go to these things and then

846
00:58:12.239 --> 00:58:14.920
be on your phone at the event. So you were in the event like

847
00:58:15.039 --> 00:58:17.320
I was in the audience. Yes, I'm working, I'm yeah, Okay.

848
00:58:17.480 --> 00:58:21.320
You wanted to turn around and be
like, I'm sorry, I'm working.

849
00:58:21.360 --> 00:58:25.360
I'm trying to bring indies to the
masses. It's like, you know,

850
00:58:25.800 --> 00:58:30.000
they're just commercials. Like what's the
guy afraid his kid's gonna miss?

851
00:58:30.119 --> 00:58:34.199
Like that's that's pretty wild. Uh, what were the highlights for you?

852
00:58:34.280 --> 00:58:37.320
Though? I knew that never was
gonna be there, So I know everyone

853
00:58:37.400 --> 00:58:39.880
I think who was excited about never
knew that never was going to be there.

854
00:58:39.920 --> 00:58:44.119
So that was really fun to see
gameplay for anybody who doesn't know.

855
00:58:44.199 --> 00:58:49.199
That's the namadest studios they did.
I say Greed, but I guess it's

856
00:58:49.280 --> 00:58:52.800
cannon now to say Greece because it's
it's Spanish and not French, but I

857
00:58:53.679 --> 00:59:04.960
right, thank you. Wow,
Okay, there were just so many that

858
00:59:05.039 --> 00:59:08.280
I wasn't expecting. It was cuff
Breaker. Cuffbuster was the one that was

859
00:59:08.760 --> 00:59:15.079
always the little freaks like Child's guy. Yeah, that was a big fan

860
00:59:15.119 --> 00:59:16.599
of that. Ready to run around
and be a little freaking Yeah, me

861
00:59:16.719 --> 00:59:21.440
too. Also good you weren't watching
it, but UFO fifty looks sweetly fun.

862
00:59:21.559 --> 00:59:24.360
Yeah, I'm excited. I'll check
that trailer outd tonight. Yes it's

863
00:59:24.599 --> 00:59:27.960
you know Derek used game. It's
like a fifty and one, and yeah,

864
00:59:28.239 --> 00:59:32.480
I'm very excited about that. The
funny thing is I had seen the

865
00:59:32.679 --> 00:59:36.320
day of the devs already, so
I was set. I was ready to

866
00:59:36.400 --> 00:59:40.360
go in my Kuberris And then the
way things work out for these kinds of

867
00:59:40.440 --> 00:59:44.119
shows, a lot of the time, you don't get to like actually sit

868
00:59:44.199 --> 00:59:47.400
down and like digest a lot.
So I'm in and out of Devolver,

869
00:59:47.559 --> 00:59:51.239
I really know. I saw Anger
Foot there. I'm like, good for

870
00:59:51.360 --> 00:59:55.719
you, guys. I saw the
the much rumored expansion for a Cult to

871
00:59:55.760 --> 00:59:59.599
the Lamb, which I'm very excited
about. And I can make my partner

872
00:59:59.599 --> 01:00:06.239
play with me, I think overall, instead of just one particular game that

873
01:00:06.320 --> 01:00:10.039
I'm really excited about, I am
very excited that a large show like that

874
01:00:10.320 --> 01:00:15.000
focused on indies, and in the
very beginning was like, hey, indies

875
01:00:15.039 --> 01:00:19.360
are big, Indies are happening I
think, yeah, I do. I

876
01:00:19.400 --> 01:00:22.280
get the sense that he's like,
how do I present this show with the

877
01:00:22.320 --> 01:00:24.039
best foot forward? How do I
make this feel important? I'm like,

878
01:00:24.119 --> 01:00:27.639
well, I'll just tell people it's
important. So I just wanted to do

879
01:00:27.960 --> 01:00:30.960
that. Then they're doing good games. I wanted to be optimistic, and

880
01:00:30.039 --> 01:00:34.360
you were just like, let me
just stomp all But okay, you know,

881
01:00:34.480 --> 01:00:37.199
he is governed by what he needs
to do, and so what at

882
01:00:37.199 --> 01:00:39.079
the end of the day, we're
STI getting great Indian. I honestly was

883
01:00:39.280 --> 01:00:44.760
very you know, because I think
the argument so much has been the showcases

884
01:00:44.800 --> 01:00:46.519
are about you know, or at
least meant to be presenting, like,

885
01:00:47.280 --> 01:00:52.119
you know, the developers and the
positivity of the industry, and yet they've

886
01:00:52.360 --> 01:00:57.639
in the past glossed over the dark
times that we've been going through. And

887
01:00:58.079 --> 01:01:02.639
I was very impressed with how his
initial kind of opening and then obviously the

888
01:01:02.679 --> 01:01:07.199
showcase itself, but like it felt
very within like not only speaking and addressing

889
01:01:07.280 --> 01:01:10.960
that, but also within the confine
as much as he can do in the

890
01:01:12.039 --> 01:01:15.599
position that he's in, which is
he has advertisers and sponsors and all of

891
01:01:15.679 --> 01:01:17.840
this, Like I wish he could
not that he necessarily would, but I

892
01:01:17.880 --> 01:01:22.199
wish he could kind of rip the
cord and just like lay into people,

893
01:01:22.320 --> 01:01:23.639
but obviously he can't do that.
Yeah, I think a lot of the

894
01:01:23.679 --> 01:01:28.840
bigger devs went to Xbox this year. There's definitely bigger devs in Xbox.

895
01:01:28.960 --> 01:01:30.320
Yeah, I was probably so many
Capcom games were in the show though,

896
01:01:30.400 --> 01:01:32.920
so there was a couple of right, two games. I think the other

897
01:01:32.960 --> 01:01:36.719
one is is that Activision is now
a part of Xbox. I think about

898
01:01:36.719 --> 01:01:38.480
it in the past. I'm like, he usually has a call of duty

899
01:01:38.679 --> 01:01:43.119
every year, and like that's that
I feel like happens in the middle.

900
01:01:43.199 --> 01:01:46.000
It's the kind of like ten pole
inchpin in the middle that kind of keeps

901
01:01:46.039 --> 01:01:51.000
the energy going. But he can't
have that, and so Yeah, it

902
01:01:51.199 --> 01:01:54.719
was an interesting show to watch.
Yeah, but it was also the least

903
01:01:54.760 --> 01:01:59.280
celebrity field, which was nice.
It was the most like he didn't do

904
01:01:59.360 --> 01:02:01.719
that with the words, right,
But even for like this when it felt

905
01:02:01.760 --> 01:02:04.519
a bit more like, no,
we're going to get some people that,

906
01:02:04.760 --> 01:02:07.719
like, you actually know, make
the video games come up here, like

907
01:02:07.800 --> 01:02:12.719
Victoria Tran was on that. Although
it was like, I know, there's

908
01:02:12.719 --> 01:02:15.559
still those weird moments where you're just
like, ah, man, this really

909
01:02:15.719 --> 01:02:20.920
is six minutes of a fucking chicken
played by the guy from Community on screen

910
01:02:21.199 --> 01:02:23.199
and I want to die. What
would Which is an ad I've seen on

911
01:02:23.639 --> 01:02:25.719
like Twitter, you know, like
it's it was, it was a part.

912
01:02:27.159 --> 01:02:32.480
It was a part of the apart
It's only gonna get worse has come

913
01:02:32.559 --> 01:02:37.800
for us all. Yeah, but
yeah, the the and I thought that,

914
01:02:37.000 --> 01:02:40.519
like Blumhouse coming out, I did
not expect them to be like,

915
01:02:40.679 --> 01:02:45.079
hey, we're not showing one big
game based on a property that we It's

916
01:02:45.119 --> 01:02:49.800
not Megan the game. It is
a bunch of things. It's Sambalalo and

917
01:02:49.960 --> 01:02:53.760
Cronenberg making something weird. And you
know when we had that sentiment also from

918
01:02:53.920 --> 01:02:59.800
a in a sloth without and it's
like and just like, you know,

919
01:02:59.880 --> 01:03:05.639
I think that so much of the
shift going forward with you know, Triple

920
01:03:05.679 --> 01:03:07.440
A and everything is that you're just
gonna have we you have to find the

921
01:03:07.519 --> 01:03:13.679
weird stuff because this well is kind
of running dry with with what has been

922
01:03:13.719 --> 01:03:15.840
happening in the industry, and so
it seems like a lot of those companies

923
01:03:15.920 --> 01:03:20.800
are doing the Blumhouse style thing of
making a load of small bets for you

924
01:03:20.840 --> 01:03:22.880
know, Blumhouse do ten million per
movie or whatever, but a load of

925
01:03:23.320 --> 01:03:28.639
these indie devs that made a big
game are now using that funding that they

926
01:03:28.800 --> 01:03:30.360
or all that money that they got
to make a bunch more small bets.

927
01:03:30.440 --> 01:03:34.920
This is also like this is the
Blumhouse formula. This is a horror movie

928
01:03:35.280 --> 01:03:38.599
made production where it's like, horror
movies make stupid amount stupid amount of money

929
01:03:38.639 --> 01:03:42.920
for how cheaply they're made, and
it's like it's it's only like about time

930
01:03:42.960 --> 01:03:45.800
that Blumhouse took the same model because
let's face it, like they've made a

931
01:03:45.840 --> 01:03:50.960
lot of movies. Yep. Games
can definitely replicate that. And there's there's

932
01:03:51.039 --> 01:03:54.320
there's this whole there's this whole fucking
corner of of of horror game horror indie

933
01:03:54.360 --> 01:03:57.760
games that are made in a very
similar way in which horror films are made,

934
01:03:57.800 --> 01:04:00.599
where it's just like it's low budget. It's like it's one guy,

935
01:04:00.880 --> 01:04:05.199
one guy, one guy. This
guy people get the fuck out of him,

936
01:04:06.320 --> 01:04:09.760
and no, I think it's like
really really smart for a Blumhouse to

937
01:04:09.840 --> 01:04:13.280
be like, yo, this has
been working for horror films for as long

938
01:04:13.320 --> 01:04:15.760
as horror films have existing. Yeah, it's also just nice to see a

939
01:04:15.800 --> 01:04:17.159
show with be like, hey,
here's new people coming into the space,

940
01:04:17.280 --> 01:04:20.480
or here's people taking their money with
the adder sloth and be like, we're

941
01:04:20.480 --> 01:04:24.920
gonna spread it around and invest in
gaming again after we're hearing so many people

942
01:04:24.920 --> 01:04:28.239
saying they're afraid to invest in gaming. In the moment that put the billboard

943
01:04:28.320 --> 01:04:32.159
up, that's Dave Ashri. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's the digital

944
01:04:32.199 --> 01:04:35.000
one that mentioned all the teams that
had closed recently. Yeah, that was

945
01:04:35.079 --> 01:04:41.800
Dave. Something that I had an
interesting discussion with yesterday about the like investing

946
01:04:41.840 --> 01:04:45.519
in these small teams is also something
you don't necessarily think about. It is

947
01:04:45.599 --> 01:04:48.239
like you're not necessarily just investing in
the game they are immediately making. You're

948
01:04:48.280 --> 01:04:53.199
investing in that team for the third
or fourth game. You are making sure

949
01:04:53.320 --> 01:04:56.199
that when they do you know,
maybe that first game isn't the hit.

950
01:04:56.719 --> 01:04:59.239
That's okay, you put a little
money in there. There's a bunch of

951
01:04:59.320 --> 01:05:01.159
other games that you're see maybe they'll
be the hit. But that team might

952
01:05:01.239 --> 01:05:04.119
go on to make a hit eventually. And when they do, they're gonna

953
01:05:04.119 --> 01:05:09.840
come to you because you're the person
that showed them that that kindness and showed

954
01:05:10.159 --> 01:05:15.280
allowed them to flourish. And so
that's something I think also is like this

955
01:05:15.480 --> 01:05:18.800
industry can be so short term and
so immediately focused, and I just think

956
01:05:18.880 --> 01:05:23.119
that that shift is going to have
to happen of like the long game is

957
01:05:23.159 --> 01:05:25.880
going to have to be played for
a lot of these new developers. Yeah,

958
01:05:25.880 --> 01:05:27.920
I mean we see Private Division not
being able to make sense of it,

959
01:05:28.079 --> 01:05:30.079
and uh, of course not because
that's a big corporation trying to like,

960
01:05:30.159 --> 01:05:33.719
Okay, how can we replicate what
we do with you know, Grand

961
01:05:33.760 --> 01:05:36.199
Theft Auto down on these smaller teams
Sin It's like what are you? What

962
01:05:36.239 --> 01:05:39.440
are you talking about? Man?
That's just not going to happen. Ever,

963
01:05:40.400 --> 01:05:43.360
and Bluemhouse is very much the opposite, Like they know how to work

964
01:05:43.400 --> 01:05:46.039
with tiny budgets and no expectations and
I think if they roll and they get

965
01:05:46.079 --> 01:05:49.880
the big hit and then yeah,
they can make that happen. But it's

966
01:05:49.960 --> 01:05:53.400
not not something that a lot of
these other corporations that are going to come

967
01:05:53.400 --> 01:05:55.800
from the top down are going to
be able to make work. Yeah,

968
01:05:56.039 --> 01:05:58.360
Kurt, you were you guys did
the pre show and the post show.

969
01:05:58.599 --> 01:06:00.559
How are you feeling before and then
as what's happening? How are you feeling,

970
01:06:00.639 --> 01:06:03.719
and hey, I have such complicated
feelings about posts about pre shows.

971
01:06:03.880 --> 01:06:06.400
Yeah, because it's like you basically
have to like go on like yeah,

972
01:06:06.480 --> 01:06:11.960
yeah, sure around, Yes,
you basically have to like go on some

973
01:06:12.119 --> 01:06:15.119
sort of uh, it's always some
sort of like assumption. It's it's always

974
01:06:15.159 --> 01:06:17.800
a guest, and I find that
so it can be so meandering to be

975
01:06:17.920 --> 01:06:19.480
like what do you want to see? What do you think you're gonna see?

976
01:06:19.480 --> 01:06:23.760
What do you think what it's like? And like sometimes like I'll either

977
01:06:23.880 --> 01:06:26.599
like, oh, here's what's gonna
happen, like you have the jewelso know

978
01:06:26.880 --> 01:06:29.440
things that are going to be at
the show. And it's like just saying

979
01:06:29.480 --> 01:06:32.320
that though isn't fun either. So
I so I always I never get very

980
01:06:32.440 --> 01:06:36.159
excited about shows because I see them
as they are, like I have to

981
01:06:36.199 --> 01:06:39.119
see it and witness it and then
feel it, and you know what when

982
01:06:39.119 --> 01:06:41.840
I'm being shown, So the pre
show is like, Okay, that's GM,

983
01:06:41.880 --> 01:06:44.880
it's the new E three baby,
let's go. And I really had

984
01:06:44.920 --> 01:06:49.280
no expectations other than maybe you know, seeing Ellen wake DLC and of course

985
01:06:49.320 --> 01:06:57.360
there was slither Head. But post
show, I I I had three games.

986
01:06:57.360 --> 01:07:00.159
I enjoyed that I was very excited
to see I saw things, which

987
01:07:00.199 --> 01:07:02.880
is better than yeo, because I
was stayed to play for me. But

988
01:07:03.239 --> 01:07:10.400
I ultimately I was happy to see
that Jeff gave the show floor to somebody

989
01:07:10.440 --> 01:07:13.760
else for once, he took a
step back, had some women on there.

990
01:07:13.800 --> 01:07:16.719
You know, he heard these criticism. Yeah, I mean it was

991
01:07:16.760 --> 01:07:19.760
like very again. It's like even
you can be like, oh, well,

992
01:07:19.800 --> 01:07:21.960
he's just doing it. You can
be simple about it in a way,

993
01:07:23.000 --> 01:07:25.719
but it's also still like, well
fuck it, he's he's showing games,

994
01:07:26.039 --> 01:07:30.559
he's representing them. This year has
also been like fucking off the chain

995
01:07:30.679 --> 01:07:34.760
on into games. On a week
of terrible news with Microsoft closing down studios,

996
01:07:35.760 --> 01:07:39.960
we had like five incredible games that
came out like within the span of

997
01:07:40.000 --> 01:07:42.800
a few days, and then not
even a span of a like May night,

998
01:07:43.159 --> 01:07:46.440
Yes, a day of death for
all I know, fantastic, great

999
01:07:46.480 --> 01:07:50.360
death, a wonderful death. So
I I mean, for what it's worth,

1000
01:07:50.400 --> 01:07:55.079
it's like it was I didn't walk
out of this being like fucking exhausted

1001
01:07:55.079 --> 01:07:57.199
and just be like okay, here
we go. That's another thing. So

1002
01:07:57.639 --> 01:08:01.119
it felt good also like it was
all right brought up like seeing Brandon Cronenberg's

1003
01:08:01.199 --> 01:08:06.079
name on a game, Sam Barlow, dude, maybe tingling all over?

1004
01:08:06.280 --> 01:08:10.079
So what do you hope from that, like from that game? Or you

1005
01:08:10.199 --> 01:08:12.559
just like to show me what you're
gonna show me? That is? That

1006
01:08:12.760 --> 01:08:14.880
is it? I don't give a
ship. Just like I see two names,

1007
01:08:14.880 --> 01:08:16.319
I see something. I see artists
that I respect and appreciate. The

1008
01:08:16.359 --> 01:08:19.680
work that they do is like together, married as one maybe as a body

1009
01:08:19.720 --> 01:08:30.079
horror creature smashing way more than one
person. I don't know about this and

1010
01:08:30.640 --> 01:08:31.720
put it in my lap and I
will consume it. Whether or not I'll

1011
01:08:31.760 --> 01:08:34.439
like it. We'll find out.
Do any of you, like, did

1012
01:08:34.479 --> 01:08:39.000
you need any of you go to
the show? That's right, you did

1013
01:08:39.079 --> 01:08:42.319
anyone else go? Like I was
meant to go, but I was interviewing

1014
01:08:42.359 --> 01:08:45.039
someone you're interviewing tomorrow. Yeah there
you go. Yeah, okay. So

1015
01:08:45.600 --> 01:08:48.600
other than that, the rude gentleman
behind you like using you as as an

1016
01:08:48.800 --> 01:08:54.439
excuse to like parentis kids, Like
do you enjoy going to the show?

1017
01:08:54.479 --> 01:08:56.000
Do you think it's a good use
of your time? Because I'm like,

1018
01:08:56.000 --> 01:08:57.800
I'm like in between them, like, I don't really know if I ever

1019
01:08:57.840 --> 01:09:00.239
want to do that again. I
mean, it's it's funny because in a

1020
01:09:00.279 --> 01:09:05.199
weird position to everybody else, I
don't usually have things to cover, Like

1021
01:09:05.319 --> 01:09:12.600
I'm usually pretty like I don't often
get to sit back and be the person

1022
01:09:12.640 --> 01:09:15.000
who's like, I don't know what's
going to happen, and I'm so excited

1023
01:09:15.000 --> 01:09:17.760
to see what it is. So
this is really one of those occasions where

1024
01:09:17.760 --> 01:09:21.279
I do get to do that and
kind of gauge where everyone is. So

1025
01:09:21.800 --> 01:09:28.640
there are things that you sort of
really feel like. The audience had a

1026
01:09:28.880 --> 01:09:36.880
very visceral reaction to Batman being out. I mean visceral is usually negative,

1027
01:09:39.479 --> 01:09:46.800
like a visceraate. Yes, because
it started off absolutely thrilled everyone. The

1028
01:09:46.920 --> 01:09:53.680
crowd was going wild. The peak
was hidden and everyone heard it only in

1029
01:09:54.119 --> 01:10:02.880
meta and metaquesty, and then they
not only dipped but audible like like a

1030
01:10:03.000 --> 01:10:05.760
chance to return to the Arkham universe
this year, And it's like, no,

1031
01:10:05.840 --> 01:10:10.720
we already we did that like earlier
in the year. Just we've all

1032
01:10:11.039 --> 01:10:15.600
arased it. Yeah, I think
that was so such an interesting choice to

1033
01:10:15.880 --> 01:10:20.079
just show another cug trailer for that
game. Uh. And we had it

1034
01:10:20.119 --> 01:10:25.359
a couple of times this show,
this showcase where it was like, hey,

1035
01:10:25.479 --> 01:10:29.479
we're gonna tease that we're going to
be at games Com or we're gonna

1036
01:10:29.520 --> 01:10:32.000
be at TGS or whatever it may
be. And so there was a lot

1037
01:10:32.039 --> 01:10:38.159
of that this year, and that
was again I think from someone who produces

1038
01:10:38.239 --> 01:10:40.840
stuff. I was watching it and
I was like, I think there was

1039
01:10:40.920 --> 01:10:43.560
meant to be some things that were
meant to be here, and that just

1040
01:10:43.720 --> 01:10:47.520
not they're not ready. And hopefully
that means, you know, because you

1041
01:10:47.600 --> 01:10:51.239
were bringing it up how long it
takes to make these vertical slices sometimes,

1042
01:10:51.319 --> 01:10:55.680
like it eats into the development time
of the game, and we're so trying

1043
01:10:55.720 --> 01:10:59.079
to push for a healthier industry.
Hopefully it's just like, hey, like

1044
01:10:59.439 --> 01:11:01.359
we were going to show something and
it didn't happen, and like we're gonna

1045
01:11:01.399 --> 01:11:04.800
have to get used to that kind
of thing going forward. Yeah, all

1046
01:11:04.880 --> 01:11:08.399
right, forget about summer game fast, hop about the rest of the year.

1047
01:11:08.439 --> 01:11:10.159
Finally, Yeah, I don't know. Okay, Well, Kurt,

1048
01:11:10.199 --> 01:11:15.359
what do you want to talk about
Breakfast? Yeah? Well, we like

1049
01:11:15.439 --> 01:11:17.079
that got that gots curved real quickly
when we started to get to the Google

1050
01:11:17.159 --> 01:11:19.960
work. You're right, I don't
I mean like, I mean, no,

1051
01:11:20.079 --> 01:11:23.720
you know, I want to hear
what Jake was looking forward to this

1052
01:11:23.840 --> 01:11:27.880
year? Jake this year, Well, okay, I got a bunch of

1053
01:11:27.920 --> 01:11:30.560
Mike. One thing I did want
to bring up because no one's talked about

1054
01:11:30.560 --> 01:11:34.920
it yet, but uh my boy, Tim Robinson showed up and that was

1055
01:11:35.279 --> 01:11:40.800
that. He just did his bit
and it was still fantastic. He's Scasia

1056
01:11:40.880 --> 01:11:43.840
himself, so it makes sense like
he would actually like this thing. Do

1057
01:11:43.880 --> 01:11:45.560
you think he's going to be in
the game. Yeah, I hope so.

1058
01:11:45.840 --> 01:11:49.079
I mean at this point, like
he's a skater himself, he's doing

1059
01:11:49.119 --> 01:11:51.560
all this work or paying him,
why not put him in the game.

1060
01:11:51.760 --> 01:11:54.479
But I wish they would have just
said it. If that was going to

1061
01:11:54.479 --> 01:11:57.039
be the case, they could.
They could have these live action bits in

1062
01:11:57.119 --> 01:11:59.880
the game rather than like cut scenes
or something that would be it would be

1063
01:11:59.920 --> 01:12:03.159
a Robinson is yelling if the story
was just him like yelling at people person

1064
01:12:03.199 --> 01:12:08.560
and I think you should leave right
exactly. That sounds fantastic. I mean

1065
01:12:08.720 --> 01:12:11.199
that skate game does look really really
promising. But yeah, I don't know,

1066
01:12:11.680 --> 01:12:13.720
Yeah, I mean I don't know
what you don't No, no,

1067
01:12:13.840 --> 01:12:15.600
no, I mean I'm excited for
it. It just the game itself,

1068
01:12:16.079 --> 01:12:21.560
It was just it was it felt
even more pre pre alpha to pre pre

1069
01:12:21.600 --> 01:12:25.319
alpha trailia I've already seen. I
think they were trying to hone in on

1070
01:12:25.439 --> 01:12:29.159
exactly like how to express the fund
because the idea is a bunch of people

1071
01:12:29.279 --> 01:12:32.039
in an area skating and then someone
could be messed around building a track while

1072
01:12:32.039 --> 01:12:35.880
they're just like, you know,
hanging in Robertson's yellow Robertson's yelling that's well,

1073
01:12:36.279 --> 01:12:40.199
yeah, it has me a little
concern like seeing that, just because

1074
01:12:40.520 --> 01:12:43.720
at least for me, the original
skate games felt like meditative. Yeah,

1075
01:12:43.840 --> 01:12:45.720
like you you play, you play
for twenty minutes, you find a line

1076
01:12:45.720 --> 01:12:48.199
in the environment, you skate it, you find fun ways to skate it,

1077
01:12:48.279 --> 01:12:53.720
and like seeing a bunch of people
skating around you and someone's like building

1078
01:12:53.800 --> 01:12:56.319
a track in front of you,
I'm like, that's not what I want

1079
01:12:56.359 --> 01:13:00.960
it for. But still pre pre
alpha looks super early, right. I

1080
01:13:00.159 --> 01:13:03.680
assume assume like you could probably play
by yourself, and then I think they're

1081
01:13:03.680 --> 01:13:08.640
trying to replicate the feeling of people
hanging out just doing weird stuff with skating.

1082
01:13:08.680 --> 01:13:11.920
I think it's also maybe even just
like the marketing is like they all

1083
01:13:11.960 --> 01:13:14.239
building it right, like that,
that's what they keep saying. So I

1084
01:13:14.319 --> 01:13:17.079
think I don't even know like how
much that is an actual representation of what

1085
01:13:17.359 --> 01:13:20.960
the game experience is going going to
necessarily be. And it it feels like

1086
01:13:21.000 --> 01:13:23.920
one of these ones that like,
if they can take the time, they

1087
01:13:23.960 --> 01:13:27.159
should just keep taking as much time
as they can get from EA just figure

1088
01:13:27.199 --> 01:13:29.319
it out from there. Yeah,
I don't know, all right, then

1089
01:13:29.560 --> 01:13:33.520
let's do it, Kurt. What
do you get for breakfast today? Like

1090
01:13:33.600 --> 01:13:38.840
in general, like what's your go
to break I've been having eggs over medium

1091
01:13:38.920 --> 01:13:44.960
and a half avocado fairly consistently for
several years. Really, yeah, yeah,

1092
01:13:45.000 --> 01:13:46.840
yeah, probably, I mean dating
back probably six seven years. I

1093
01:13:46.960 --> 01:13:57.359
know. This is so fucking thrilling. The original fire enblow, All right,

1094
01:13:57.600 --> 01:14:00.359
come on, that's more. That's
way more fascinating than that. No,

1095
01:14:00.760 --> 01:14:01.960
I honestly, I mean we can
always talk about breakfast. I got

1096
01:14:02.000 --> 01:14:05.159
a great breakfast burrito this morning.
It ruled where's you go? We got

1097
01:14:05.199 --> 01:14:09.600
it from? It was bad ass
breakfast burritos. Okay, brilliant, We're

1098
01:14:09.640 --> 01:14:11.960
in LA. We're gonna make it
happen. Yes, And I've already was

1099
01:14:12.800 --> 01:14:15.720
a worst burrito A bunch of sausage
in it was. That was the place

1100
01:14:15.760 --> 01:14:17.720
called Worst Brito. It was one
of the options. It is literally called

1101
01:14:17.760 --> 01:14:21.159
Badass Breakfast Burritos, but the brito
itself was called the worst. Oh so

1102
01:14:21.239 --> 01:14:25.399
I thought, you like your first
brido from like the best Badass plan and

1103
01:14:25.439 --> 01:14:30.000
then you went down the street.
Well, look, I had tacos yesterday

1104
01:14:30.279 --> 01:14:31.239
and then I had a burrito at
night and then I was like, I

1105
01:14:31.319 --> 01:14:35.439
really can't do tacos because my my
my body was exploding, and uh,

1106
01:14:36.479 --> 01:14:40.600
you won't. Let's key used to
it. Anyways, and then today while

1107
01:14:40.640 --> 01:14:42.920
we were doing the show and they're
like, lunch is being catered and I

1108
01:14:43.000 --> 01:14:45.000
was like, let's go fucking tacos, and I don't know if I could

1109
01:14:45.000 --> 01:14:46.600
do that. So I just had
a big old plato rice. Yeah,

1110
01:14:46.600 --> 01:14:48.239
it came buy and like, hey, what do you want for talking ibout?

1111
01:14:48.239 --> 01:14:49.520
Like, I don't know, just
throw everything in there, and they

1112
01:14:49.600 --> 01:14:53.039
really did. They gave me the
biggest taco I've ever seen. They were

1113
01:14:53.119 --> 01:14:56.159
mushrooms. Mushrooms, I said,
I said the worst and there was mushrooms.

1114
01:14:56.239 --> 01:14:59.279
Is that a West Coast thing?
No? No, you know it's

1115
01:14:59.359 --> 01:15:02.319
not. No. It tasted good, but yeah, I know complaints great

1116
01:15:02.359 --> 01:15:05.239
vegetarian substitution. Yeah you can.
You can. You can see it up

1117
01:15:05.960 --> 01:15:11.319
pretty closely. To be on the
meat I have like I have like,

1118
01:15:11.880 --> 01:15:15.560
uh, what do you call the
Rubens Ruben sandwiches? But mushroom replacement.

1119
01:15:15.800 --> 01:15:17.439
That makes sense. That sounds tasty. It's very good. How about you,

1120
01:15:17.520 --> 01:15:21.039
Lexi, what's the breakfast order?
I like, never eat breakfast.

1121
01:15:21.079 --> 01:15:26.199
I'm terrible. I wind up eating
lunch and dinner. Though, if you

1122
01:15:26.399 --> 01:15:29.479
liked your worst burrito, you should
come to Games Calm. Last summer,

1123
01:15:29.479 --> 01:15:31.880
I was like Games Calm. I
got taken for dinner with some people and

1124
01:15:32.279 --> 01:15:35.960
four out of the nine people there
were all like vegan and vegetarian. And

1125
01:15:36.119 --> 01:15:40.039
because it's Germany, the only place
that we could get into was a meathouse.

1126
01:15:40.159 --> 01:15:43.920
Yeah. I'm going to Games Calm
as a pescatarian and I'm still extremely

1127
01:15:44.000 --> 01:15:46.800
Yeah, and we I've had the
place and they're like, so our specialty

1128
01:15:46.840 --> 01:15:51.600
out him on the menu today is
the slaughter Place. Perfect? Awesome,

1129
01:15:51.920 --> 01:15:55.640
Right. I do like German food
a lot. I would like to get

1130
01:15:55.680 --> 01:15:58.239
out of the game. This is
another reason you should come to Games car.

1131
01:15:59.000 --> 01:16:02.560
It's terrible and you'd but it's great
that sounds wonderful. Yeah, and

1132
01:16:02.680 --> 01:16:06.439
I'll tell you all the people who
I technically like live like ten minutes away

1133
01:16:06.479 --> 01:16:11.520
from fantastic. Yeah. All right, So what's it for the rest of

1134
01:16:11.520 --> 01:16:13.960
the year, you guys looking forward
to anything? Any big game standing out

1135
01:16:13.960 --> 01:16:15.039
to you? Is everyone just like
waiting for Shadow the ar Tree? What's

1136
01:16:15.079 --> 01:16:18.159
up metaphoric school metaphors that you Yeah, you're excited about metaphor? Is it

1137
01:16:18.279 --> 01:16:21.640
like your persona fan, You're like
Fantasy Persona that's all I need to hear?

1138
01:16:21.760 --> 01:16:25.800
Or is there something specific? I
think it's because like SMT has never

1139
01:16:25.840 --> 01:16:29.119
really clicked for me. It's always
been whether it's because it's too brutal or

1140
01:16:29.199 --> 01:16:32.479
because it's just a bit too heavy
metal for me or whatever. But like

1141
01:16:32.600 --> 01:16:39.039
this seems like I'm curious to see
what Atlas does with a traditional ORPG that's

1142
01:16:39.199 --> 01:16:42.960
kind of in a persona vein but
also kind of not like that there's not

1143
01:16:43.039 --> 01:16:46.760
as much time management and social stim
management, so I'm curious see what they

1144
01:16:46.840 --> 01:16:49.800
do with it. Cool, how
about you? I'm looking forward to Stalker

1145
01:16:49.840 --> 01:16:54.279
two, which is like September fifth. I think have we seen that this

1146
01:16:54.359 --> 01:16:57.800
weekend? Was it like a Gorilla
or anything? Like that I didn't.

1147
01:17:00.079 --> 01:17:02.560
Yeah, yeah, but no,
I mean that game looks promising. Are

1148
01:17:02.600 --> 01:17:08.680
you a Stalker one fan? I've
I've read the books, You've seen the

1149
01:17:08.720 --> 01:17:11.079
movie, of course, you know, so I like, I'm interested in

1150
01:17:11.119 --> 01:17:14.279
everything around that, sure, but
like, yeah, I'm excited to see

1151
01:17:14.520 --> 01:17:15.640
how that pans out. Yeah,
me too, about you, Tom,

1152
01:17:16.319 --> 01:17:23.159
I'm honestly most excited, I think
for Ubersoft's two big RPG games. I

1153
01:17:23.239 --> 01:17:30.920
think Star Wars Outlaws has the opportunity
to bring a kind of fun space RPG

1154
01:17:30.119 --> 01:17:33.119
and the way that like Stoffield,
I think kind of missed the mark,

1155
01:17:33.159 --> 01:17:36.960
and so I'm really excited for that. And I think ac Shadows is going

1156
01:17:38.039 --> 01:17:45.079
to be a really great Assassin's Creed
and everything that they've talked about with like

1157
01:17:45.479 --> 01:17:49.279
the weather system and a return to
As much as I enjoyed Valhalla for its

1158
01:17:49.359 --> 01:17:54.399
vikingness, it was kind of ridiculous
that stealth was even an option in that

1159
01:17:54.520 --> 01:17:57.600
game, and obviously this one has
a lot more room for that. And

1160
01:17:58.000 --> 01:18:01.920
as someone who spent I was just
running around hidden blaming people, and like

1161
01:18:02.000 --> 01:18:08.239
the original Assassin's Creed, I actually
think we have an opportunity here for some

1162
01:18:08.399 --> 01:18:13.000
really great Uber soft games. So
yeah, I'm actually I'm gonna be a

1163
01:18:13.039 --> 01:18:16.960
bit boring and picked two of the
big I'm excited about games. Yeah,

1164
01:18:17.239 --> 01:18:20.199
there's there's like a visceral, like
a knee jerk reaction that people have for

1165
01:18:20.279 --> 01:18:23.880
you be soft and I just don't
feel that because I don't. I never

1166
01:18:23.920 --> 01:18:25.920
had that much of an affinity for
them, so I never think about it.

1167
01:18:25.920 --> 01:18:27.600
I'm like, they put out games, I'll play them or I won't.

1168
01:18:27.680 --> 01:18:31.920
Whatever. How about you, Kurt
Riven remake? Really okay? Are

1169
01:18:31.920 --> 01:18:35.560
you sickos that like knows all the
lore? Uh? So, I'm not

1170
01:18:35.640 --> 01:18:39.439
a big lower person. I take
it as is. Okay, I want

1171
01:18:39.479 --> 01:18:42.560
I just want to live it in
those moments. But uh, I love

1172
01:18:42.640 --> 01:18:45.720
Missed so much. I've played and
I've played many of the mists, but

1173
01:18:45.800 --> 01:18:48.199
I was Riven. I've never actually
been able to so this will be my

1174
01:18:48.239 --> 01:18:50.520
first time playing it. You know, it's a sequel to miss I'm aware.

1175
01:18:50.600 --> 01:18:55.560
Yeah, yeah that that that that's
the law. I know. And

1176
01:18:55.640 --> 01:18:58.800
I hope to get trapped in a
book someday and sent to another world.

1177
01:18:59.039 --> 01:19:01.640
But I mean Laura and the ruined
me for the next six months, so

1178
01:19:01.800 --> 01:19:05.279
we'll see how I mean I can't
even like I can't. I can look

1179
01:19:05.279 --> 01:19:08.760
at a game and be interested,
but then I'm like, you have to

1180
01:19:08.800 --> 01:19:13.239
play this game Lorelind Laser Eyes,
and it's gonna just it's just ruined games

1181
01:19:13.279 --> 01:19:16.720
for me. So probably riven,
so riven by you, Joe. Okay,

1182
01:19:16.880 --> 01:19:23.039
So I'm not convinced that time exists
outside of the next hour because everything

1183
01:19:23.119 --> 01:19:25.920
I have to do, that's all
I can focus on right now. The

1184
01:19:26.039 --> 01:19:29.640
only thing that I can really think
of right now is that I need to

1185
01:19:29.840 --> 01:19:32.119
my shame to still finish nine Souls. Yeah, I haven't even touched that

1186
01:19:32.199 --> 01:19:35.319
yet, but I heard nothing but
good thing. It's that the cat Metroid

1187
01:19:35.399 --> 01:19:43.279
Vanua. Yes, spread Candle,
Okay it, Yeah, that's sure.

1188
01:19:43.359 --> 01:19:45.000
We could say. Like I said, I haven't played it, so I

1189
01:19:45.039 --> 01:19:47.800
don't know. It is so fantastic. It is very lovely. It is

1190
01:19:47.960 --> 01:19:54.119
a sort of securo in the way
that it handles combat. Okay, I've

1191
01:19:54.199 --> 01:19:59.119
only gotten through the first Soul and
I'm so upset because I want to finish

1192
01:19:59.199 --> 01:20:01.239
this game, but I just do
not have time and I didn't get it

1193
01:20:01.800 --> 01:20:04.720
like in enough time before I had
to come out through here. So I

1194
01:20:04.840 --> 01:20:08.960
need to finish nine souls and everybody
out there should start playing it right now.

1195
01:20:09.479 --> 01:20:12.000
All right, I'm gonna go do
that right now. We're gonna wrap

1196
01:20:12.079 --> 01:20:14.119
up this segment. Thank you all
for hanging out with me. Go,

1197
01:20:14.239 --> 01:20:16.880
Thank you, fun, enjoy the
rest of your summer game fest weekend.

1198
01:20:17.399 --> 01:20:20.960
We got a lot more happening here
on Giant Bomb at Night. Several segments

1199
01:20:21.039 --> 01:20:30.000
yet to come. We'll be back
in about fifteen minutes. I just I'm

1200
01:20:30.039 --> 01:20:31.680
just gonna play video games instead.
We talked about them too much. I'll

1201
01:20:31.680 --> 01:20:34.319
just start playing them, all right. This is my sp I've been pulling

1202
01:20:34.359 --> 01:20:38.880
it out everywhere. I did put
my own aftermarket Nintendo sticker on here and

1203
01:20:38.920 --> 01:20:41.720
get them on eBay for like a
dollar. It's a good deal. All

1204
01:20:41.800 --> 01:20:44.800
right, Let's do another segment here
for Giant Bomb at Night Live from Los

1205
01:20:44.840 --> 01:20:46.880
Angeles. It's been a good time
so far. Got plenty more happening all

1206
01:20:47.000 --> 01:20:53.000
night. I'm Jeff Grubb, joined
by Emma Fife. Hi, it's great

1207
01:20:53.119 --> 01:20:57.359
to be back. We're with you. Several hours later. Absolutely, we

1208
01:20:57.439 --> 01:20:59.880
did the talk over. Now we're
gonna hang out. Yeah, I get

1209
01:20:59.880 --> 01:21:01.520
to me on this set now,
which is nice, honestly, But yes,

1210
01:21:01.560 --> 01:21:04.359
I'm like I was looking forward to. I'm very happy to be here

1211
01:21:04.720 --> 01:21:10.119
and also want to shout out New
Belgium, specifically the Voodo Arranger brand,

1212
01:21:10.159 --> 01:21:13.039
who are kind enough to provide us
with a bunch of beer. Really,

1213
01:21:13.079 --> 01:21:15.720
I had no idea. That's awesome. Yeah, they gave us. They

1214
01:21:15.800 --> 01:21:18.319
gave us a whole bunch of beer
for us to enjoy here during the time.

1215
01:21:18.319 --> 01:21:20.439
I'm just ask I could just ask
for beer and they'll just give it

1216
01:21:20.479 --> 01:21:23.319
to me. I mean that's what
I did. I did. I just

1217
01:21:23.399 --> 01:21:24.960
asked them. I was like,
hey, could we have some beer?

1218
01:21:25.000 --> 01:21:26.520
And I had a meeting with them
and They're like, oh, yeah,

1219
01:21:26.560 --> 01:21:30.720
of course often yeah, no,
truly truly they there was no back and

1220
01:21:30.800 --> 01:21:31.920
forth about it. Basically, when
I met with the rep, he was

1221
01:21:31.960 --> 01:21:34.159
like, no, we're totally sold
on this. This is the exact kind

1222
01:21:34.159 --> 01:21:36.119
of stuff that we like. They
just you know, they want to be

1223
01:21:36.199 --> 01:21:41.119
in nerd spaces and and here we
are. They're welcome. Yeah, exactly,

1224
01:21:41.239 --> 01:21:43.560
we will. We will take it. So huge, huge thank you

1225
01:21:43.640 --> 01:21:45.800
to them. Wild van Helderan,
Yeah, as me. I'm about I'm

1226
01:21:45.840 --> 01:21:49.520
the pr manager play Sech, recently
most known for Palatro and Abiotic Factors.

1227
01:21:49.920 --> 01:21:53.319
We still got a couple of cool
secrets this weekend, So don't ask me

1228
01:21:53.359 --> 01:21:56.279
any trick questions that I want my
shit again, and that's what I do.

1229
01:21:56.359 --> 01:21:58.199
I can't. I gotta do my
job. Man, got the leaker

1230
01:21:58.279 --> 01:22:00.560
master. Yeah, so excited to
be here. Man. Awesome, cool.

1231
01:22:00.600 --> 01:22:02.960
Yeah, Tom Ollie, how's it
going doing well? Yeah? Thanks

1232
01:22:03.000 --> 01:22:04.760
for having me. Yeah, thanks
for coming on. Yeah. Yeah,

1233
01:22:04.840 --> 01:22:09.119
never never been on this couch,
I know. Yeah, And I've talked

1234
01:22:09.119 --> 01:22:11.239
to you for so many years.
I don't I don't know if we actually

1235
01:22:11.239 --> 01:22:13.159
ever met in person. If we
have, I don't remember. I think

1236
01:22:13.239 --> 01:22:15.920
probably at a demo booth. Probably. So we do what we do,

1237
01:22:15.039 --> 01:22:17.960
pr for all sorts of all sorts
of Yah. Yeah, we've been around

1238
01:22:18.000 --> 01:22:20.800
for a while. Awesome, Del
Walker, how's it going. Hello?

1239
01:22:21.000 --> 01:22:27.560
Yeah, So I'm Del wilcome as
as you said, I'm a principal characterized

1240
01:22:27.560 --> 01:22:30.600
a new studio, Cooled, wild
Light. It's a lot of the X

1241
01:22:30.680 --> 01:22:33.960
titlefull team awesome and so yeah,
we're gonna make cool stuff. If you

1242
01:22:34.000 --> 01:22:36.840
had a lot of a lot of
folks from that Titan Fall team have gone

1243
01:22:36.880 --> 01:22:40.199
out and started some stuff up,
that's got to be exciting. Yeah,

1244
01:22:40.279 --> 01:22:45.800
exactly. Most most of the Apex
Cool team and Titfoo team. There's a

1245
01:22:45.800 --> 01:22:47.399
few of us that came over from
that Noisy Dog and stuff. But yeah,

1246
01:22:47.720 --> 01:22:50.319
awesome, run a call for back
back once again. I'm glad you

1247
01:22:50.359 --> 01:22:53.319
could make it back man. Thank
you for for having me. Yeah,

1248
01:22:53.319 --> 01:22:56.880
absolutely, I'll start with you.
I was, you know, there was

1249
01:22:56.920 --> 01:22:59.600
some stuff going down earlier this year. I saw you on TikTok handling it

1250
01:22:59.840 --> 01:23:01.720
very well. But I just want
to say thank you, thank you for

1251
01:23:01.800 --> 01:23:06.640
saying very well, No you did. I was very impressed. It's when

1252
01:23:06.720 --> 01:23:13.640
someone else says right, no,
I appreciate it. But now it's like,

1253
01:23:13.680 --> 01:23:15.239
okay, now we get to like
just get back to the business of

1254
01:23:15.760 --> 01:23:19.359
I guess games or whatever. You
know. We don't have to get in

1255
01:23:19.399 --> 01:23:21.199
all that stuff too much. I
don't really care about it, excep that

1256
01:23:21.239 --> 01:23:24.239
we could put off the side.
But it's not real, right, That's

1257
01:23:24.279 --> 01:23:28.560
the thing about it. I think
that's why things like summer game fests and

1258
01:23:28.640 --> 01:23:31.840
like live events help, because everyone
was happy and clapped for every game and

1259
01:23:32.279 --> 01:23:35.079
they were just enjoying, right at
least the people actually paying to be that

1260
01:23:35.239 --> 01:23:40.479
right exactly, that's what the real
They're not getting paid to uh to bash

1261
01:23:40.640 --> 01:23:43.680
it or say something outlandish with a
check mark necessarily, man, yeah,

1262
01:23:44.039 --> 01:23:45.720
absolutely, So did you actually go
to the show itself? I did?

1263
01:23:45.800 --> 01:23:51.680
I did? I Did you have
a good time? Yeah? Yeah,

1264
01:23:53.239 --> 01:23:56.600
I'd say yes because it's hard for
me to not have a good time in

1265
01:23:56.720 --> 01:24:00.720
a nice, air conditioned theater talking
about video games, right, so yes?

1266
01:24:01.920 --> 01:24:04.880
Yeah? Cool? Yeah? What's
the what's the plan? Do you

1267
01:24:05.000 --> 01:24:09.319
like go there in person and you
talk about it, like, is it

1268
01:24:09.319 --> 01:24:11.920
all about like TikTok right now?
Or you just make a podcast? What

1269
01:24:12.000 --> 01:24:15.920
are you doing? Uh? It's
definitely TikTok up a storm until they've ban

1270
01:24:15.039 --> 01:24:19.039
it at the end of the year. Then I gotta a pivot. I'm

1271
01:24:19.039 --> 01:24:23.960
pivoting right now into YouTube. I'm
kind of creating a show. I wanted

1272
01:24:24.039 --> 01:24:28.640
to be like G four. We
shot our first episode G four Black Cooler

1273
01:24:29.479 --> 01:24:31.720
shout out to G four, But
you know, like cooler and legit.

1274
01:24:31.960 --> 01:24:34.800
I'm just a gamer. It's all
funded by me, you know what I'm

1275
01:24:34.800 --> 01:24:43.239
saying. No corporate anything, yeah, corporate everything. Belgium, Yeah yeah,

1276
01:24:43.319 --> 01:24:48.119
yeah, get yourself some sponsor.
Everyone's going price. I have a

1277
01:24:48.239 --> 01:24:53.920
price. I have my sheet right
there, disclose it in email. Formulater.

1278
01:24:54.760 --> 01:24:57.359
How is TikTok right now, Let's
let's assume TikTok keeps going. How

1279
01:24:57.399 --> 01:25:02.239
would you like approach continuing that space? TikTok for me is fun. I

1280
01:25:02.399 --> 01:25:06.640
can talk about random stuff. I
think my last random video was just like

1281
01:25:08.119 --> 01:25:10.760
I wanted people to play this game
called v Rising. This is not an

1282
01:25:10.800 --> 01:25:14.520
ad, just because I wanted more
people in my clan. So I was

1283
01:25:14.560 --> 01:25:16.000
able to like go to the internet
and talk about that and get people to

1284
01:25:16.239 --> 01:25:19.840
join you ianing to play with later
on. That's a w for me.

1285
01:25:19.960 --> 01:25:26.680
I like talk. Listen, I'm
gonna I have to keep leaking stuff,

1286
01:25:26.760 --> 01:25:31.479
all right. You just have to
deal with that, all right. I

1287
01:25:31.960 --> 01:25:35.239
mean, listen there, you can't
tell me not to do it that you

1288
01:25:35.279 --> 01:25:38.520
want my job. It makes me
want to do it more though. That's

1289
01:25:38.560 --> 01:25:41.800
the thing I said this, yeah
a little bit. I mean listen,

1290
01:25:43.319 --> 01:25:45.199
what about that? How about if
I just like the Coming Out Physical?

1291
01:25:48.840 --> 01:25:55.800
I was broke into his car.
He doesn't even know. Yeah, I

1292
01:25:55.880 --> 01:26:04.800
guess Coming Physical. It's sooner,
Order Starry Soon. It's a special edition.

1293
01:26:04.880 --> 01:26:09.840
It comes with packed bush and packed
joker cards and playing cards. Because

1294
01:26:09.840 --> 01:26:12.760
it's been doing all right, and
I'm doing Okay, I get like five

1295
01:26:12.880 --> 01:26:15.880
hundred messages a week about like can
I get this on Physical? What's it

1296
01:26:15.960 --> 01:26:18.760
like making a physical game these days
for something that probably when it was first

1297
01:26:18.800 --> 01:26:23.880
to realize that wasn't necessarily the like
thinking processed, right, So you kind

1298
01:26:23.880 --> 01:26:26.800
of have to chase the success on
a game like this because you put it

1299
01:26:26.840 --> 01:26:29.439
out there and it goes very well, like oh what are the options now?

1300
01:26:29.520 --> 01:26:32.039
Okay, Physical? And I get
like another thousand about it, like

1301
01:26:32.079 --> 01:26:34.399
when it's come to mobile all this
kind of stuff, So it chases,

1302
01:26:34.520 --> 01:26:39.079
right, Yeah, yeah, we
were working on it, but it's like

1303
01:26:39.239 --> 01:26:42.159
local Tungkue guy has to do everything
themselves, thinks a while, it has

1304
01:26:42.199 --> 01:26:44.279
to be done when it's done.
So everything you see now is not us.

1305
01:26:44.359 --> 01:26:49.680
It just rip offs and fakes them. So Physical was a find a

1306
01:26:49.720 --> 01:26:54.159
good partner for it. And then
it's coming out to and it's Super Bowl,

1307
01:26:54.199 --> 01:26:56.479
Like I love just what it looks
like and I can't wait to go

1308
01:26:56.560 --> 01:26:58.880
to like game stop and just see
it. And then like, oh,

1309
01:26:58.960 --> 01:27:02.439
yeah I worked on this game.
The guys is it switching like everything switch

1310
01:27:02.520 --> 01:27:05.680
PlayStation, Xbox, yeah, everything, yeah, And like what I guess,

1311
01:27:06.159 --> 01:27:09.279
what is the process do you like, go to a company that is

1312
01:27:09.960 --> 01:27:12.199
that prints these things. I know
there's several out there, like these boutique

1313
01:27:12.239 --> 01:27:15.800
houses. We found a good partner
in this sorry first time on the show.

1314
01:27:16.039 --> 01:27:20.439
Yeah, and then you decide,
like the design has to be worriing,

1315
01:27:20.479 --> 01:27:23.920
what how can make it special?
Okay special? Addition, what do

1316
01:27:24.000 --> 01:27:26.840
we put in the car box?
So we decided to go with a booster

1317
01:27:26.880 --> 01:27:29.600
back because you know there's booster backs
in the game. That's what people want

1318
01:27:29.640 --> 01:27:31.319
to see. People are still waiting
for the decks. I know it's coming,

1319
01:27:31.479 --> 01:27:34.520
we're working on it. Do you
have to go to each platform like

1320
01:27:35.000 --> 01:27:38.760
be like, oh hey, Sonny, you're ready. Just take most take

1321
01:27:38.800 --> 01:27:41.000
care of most of that, Okay. It's just that you have to make

1322
01:27:41.039 --> 01:27:43.880
sure that every box has to be
things. You have to do the PG

1323
01:27:44.520 --> 01:27:46.199
thing on it, Like there's the
whole list of rules, and then our

1324
01:27:46.279 --> 01:27:49.000
art people just put it together.
Local Thong looks like, hey, I

1325
01:27:49.079 --> 01:27:51.640
love this and that's what we're gonna
do. So for us, there's a

1326
01:27:51.680 --> 01:27:55.640
lot of management, but like,
always go with the partner because you know

1327
01:27:55.760 --> 01:27:59.119
you want to don't want to do
several partners exactly right, That's all they

1328
01:27:59.199 --> 01:28:00.520
do. Is yeah, but it's
very exciting, like it's such an exciting

1329
01:28:00.560 --> 01:28:03.239
game for play, Sack and sweet
work on it is when you say booster

1330
01:28:03.319 --> 01:28:05.840
pack, you it's like going to
be like a physical little back and then

1331
01:28:05.880 --> 01:28:09.439
there's like ten car scenario. That's
why is it gonna be like random cards

1332
01:28:09.520 --> 01:28:12.680
or like no, it's it's pre
to so we don't want the rang and

1333
01:28:12.840 --> 01:28:15.319
people creating the kind of stuff and
like calling us like so it's going to

1334
01:28:15.359 --> 01:28:19.119
be like physical, but like in
the game, like on the inside of

1335
01:28:19.159 --> 01:28:21.680
the box, there will be a
boost pack that comes with it. You

1336
01:28:21.720 --> 01:28:28.520
can open and then can you amoebo
it into your game? I have to

1337
01:28:28.600 --> 01:28:34.560
call yeah, yeah, yeahbo like
let's do it, doctor me the marke

1338
01:28:34.680 --> 01:28:41.319
manager. That's what you guys like
pick the cards, like which one are

1339
01:28:41.359 --> 01:28:43.760
going to be in the pack?
Was that like a process caller base like

1340
01:28:43.800 --> 01:28:45.960
Okay, what's going to be good? We wanted to have like one of

1341
01:28:45.319 --> 01:28:48.560
the gold cards like polychrome because that's
cool. I want to pack it out

1342
01:28:48.600 --> 01:28:51.039
and it's like a shiny and that's
what you kind of want to have to

1343
01:28:51.079 --> 01:28:55.960
do and the banana is probably gonna
be there. Yeah, So does that

1344
01:28:56.039 --> 01:28:59.039
mean like the way you present this
is it like, oh, this is

1345
01:28:59.159 --> 01:29:01.800
a edition that's special, Yeah,
special edition, yes, okay, so

1346
01:29:01.960 --> 01:29:05.439
people going to get this order online? Uh, and then you can't put

1347
01:29:05.479 --> 01:29:09.319
it on yourself. I think Ellen
Wake had a slightly better announcement about this

1348
01:29:09.359 --> 01:29:11.960
today when they went physical. Maybe
I should have put a bit on,

1349
01:29:12.159 --> 01:29:16.439
but I didn't have an expansion to
Ann's busy, right. Yeah. Do

1350
01:29:16.479 --> 01:29:19.479
you think that is sort of where
physical gaming is going to end up here

1351
01:29:19.520 --> 01:29:23.840
in a couple of years, because
like Alan Wake and Bilotro going through the

1352
01:29:23.880 --> 01:29:27.520
same process, right, it's the
same, probably the same, very similar,

1353
01:29:27.640 --> 01:29:30.600
right, And I think it's just
it's a nice to have, right,

1354
01:29:30.720 --> 01:29:33.319
It's not a thing that you make
a million off. It's just like

1355
01:29:33.640 --> 01:29:36.279
we kind of know how many people
want to have it. Do a run

1356
01:29:36.359 --> 01:29:41.439
and if it sells out, not
a run, but it's it's a it's

1357
01:29:41.479 --> 01:29:45.079
a whole new skill because we never
done a physical release death fast like usually

1358
01:29:45.119 --> 01:29:48.600
it comes like a little later,
but blatro like that, and then you

1359
01:29:48.720 --> 01:29:54.880
have to be quick. Yeah.
I I suspect that given that there is

1360
01:29:55.000 --> 01:29:59.720
the physical edition of actually getting a
booster pack with the game, I've got

1361
01:29:59.800 --> 01:30:03.079
a you're gonna you're gonna sell this. You're gone pretty well? All right?

1362
01:30:03.279 --> 01:30:17.680
Yeah, I seen all in on
a gambling man's like to gamble.

1363
01:30:18.319 --> 01:30:24.479
What was that headache? Like,
I mean, it was a surprise first

1364
01:30:24.479 --> 01:30:26.680
of all right, and it's because
it just like it was already like you

1365
01:30:26.680 --> 01:30:29.640
would already admitted it. It was
already out the games audio for a week,

1366
01:30:29.800 --> 01:30:30.479
and like we talked about it a
lot. We had a whole fish

1367
01:30:30.520 --> 01:30:34.560
statement on it. But the surprise
is like, what what what actually happened?

1368
01:30:35.199 --> 01:30:39.760
So I'll recap okay, So it
was a rated three plus and then

1369
01:30:39.840 --> 01:30:42.479
they did a reassessment of the game
and then went to eighteen plus after it

1370
01:30:42.560 --> 01:30:45.239
was out. After it was out, if it happens old plus from holders

1371
01:30:45.239 --> 01:30:48.760
automatic people to stop it because they
have something horrible in your game and the

1372
01:30:48.920 --> 01:30:53.680
rating goes off, they have to
take it off. But I found out

1373
01:30:53.720 --> 01:30:56.720
about it on Twitter in the morning. I was like, hey, I

1374
01:30:56.760 --> 01:30:58.800
can't buy a game. I was
like, how did that happen? So

1375
01:30:58.840 --> 01:31:01.439
I go to my producer like what's
going on? And we check no,

1376
01:31:01.800 --> 01:31:05.399
and then you started getting emails all
of a sudden. But we are a

1377
01:31:05.520 --> 01:31:08.479
publisher, we have a lot of
people, we have a lawyer, and

1378
01:31:08.520 --> 01:31:11.000
all that kind of stuff. We
can deal with it, but local thought,

1379
01:31:11.000 --> 01:31:13.920
because wee dude who makes his first
game. If you do not have

1380
01:31:14.119 --> 01:31:15.239
like someone who knows how to deal
with it, it's the first week.

1381
01:31:15.239 --> 01:31:18.399
It's the most important week of your
launch because all your momentum is there,

1382
01:31:20.079 --> 01:31:24.880
and that's a headache. Yeah,
yeah, I can imagine. Yeah,

1383
01:31:25.319 --> 01:31:28.520
I guess last thing, A blotrait
really has kind of broken through, right,

1384
01:31:28.640 --> 01:31:31.560
I mean your estimation, like people
that I've had people in my life

1385
01:31:31.600 --> 01:31:33.159
come up and talk to me about
it. I was talking to the guys

1386
01:31:33.159 --> 01:31:36.079
they were saying the same thing.
How do you sort of measure that?

1387
01:31:36.279 --> 01:31:41.840
It was that like, yeah,
it was very weird to see how fast

1388
01:31:41.840 --> 01:31:45.199
it got it because it's a hard
game. Like I'm the pr manager for

1389
01:31:45.359 --> 01:31:47.000
this game. It was very hard
to get people to pay attention to this,

1390
01:31:47.119 --> 01:31:49.039
like because I would send you a
screenshot like, hey, here's a

1391
01:31:49.039 --> 01:31:53.840
screenshot of a Queen of Hearts on
the poker, Like is that gonna like

1392
01:31:54.000 --> 01:31:57.239
make things turn? So that was
in the beginning. It was a little

1393
01:31:57.239 --> 01:31:59.720
slowan uptake, but then the demo
came out and like one hundred thousand people

1394
01:31:59.720 --> 01:32:02.840
download demo, so that goes into
pitch and at the end it was like,

1395
01:32:02.920 --> 01:32:05.279
dude, here's a code played for
five minutes and come back to me

1396
01:32:05.359 --> 01:32:08.720
two hours, because that's how long
you're actually gonna play. Yep. And

1397
01:32:08.800 --> 01:32:11.640
that's when it started taking off.
And then the reviews came in nine out

1398
01:32:11.640 --> 01:32:13.439
of ten, ten out of ten, and then we were like, this

1399
01:32:13.600 --> 01:32:15.640
is going to be a big deal, Like two hours, that's some restraint.

1400
01:32:15.720 --> 01:32:20.119
Actually, yeah, I think can't
play the demo for like fifteen average

1401
01:32:20.199 --> 01:32:25.319
game time is thirty two hours.
Yeah's and that's over like over a million

1402
01:32:25.359 --> 01:32:30.399
copies. Thirty hours has way more
than he's thrown off the numbers. Yea

1403
01:32:30.479 --> 01:32:34.079
by himself. Yeah, my my
fiance game is driving that average up alone

1404
01:32:34.199 --> 01:32:39.000
and yeah, my brother too.
Yeah. Tom, How has the PR

1405
01:32:39.079 --> 01:32:41.560
game changed for you since you've been
in it? Oh not at all?

1406
01:32:43.560 --> 01:32:47.840
Twenty years is the same and that's
when nothing's changed. Call people up.

1407
01:32:47.920 --> 01:32:54.359
Yeah yeah, they just call people
facts. Yeah ship, Yeah, you

1408
01:32:54.479 --> 01:32:56.720
just put it, put a piece
of paper in. It's in and out.

1409
01:32:56.760 --> 01:32:58.880
They get a piece of paper up. That's how he trained us when

1410
01:32:58.880 --> 01:33:02.239
I I used to work with us. Yeah. Yeah, So the first

1411
01:33:02.439 --> 01:33:05.720
first day is the facts. The
whole thing has effects. Yeah, No,

1412
01:33:05.760 --> 01:33:09.760
it's changed a lot. I mean
because I started like like two thousand

1413
01:33:09.760 --> 01:33:12.880
and one or something like that,
and like at that time, print still

1414
01:33:13.000 --> 01:33:17.680
existed. It still exists, but
you know what I mean, Yeah,

1415
01:33:17.720 --> 01:33:23.159
it was pretty much the main communication
tool and like we would just basically and

1416
01:33:23.479 --> 01:33:26.520
I don't know if this is bad, but we'd like send news out expecting

1417
01:33:26.600 --> 01:33:30.880
that everyone wrote about it every time. Like basically it was like if you

1418
01:33:30.039 --> 01:33:33.680
went through the work of telling someone
about something, they're like, holy shit,

1419
01:33:33.760 --> 01:33:36.720
a game. I'll tell somebody about
this, right, no matter how

1420
01:33:36.800 --> 01:33:41.359
good that game it was, right, it was great. Yeah, no

1421
01:33:41.479 --> 01:33:43.800
matter how good the game was,
people are like, well, you're making

1422
01:33:43.880 --> 01:33:47.560
it, so it must be yeah, time or something like that. But

1423
01:33:47.760 --> 01:33:53.600
now we're you know, now it's
whatever it is ten thousand plus games released

1424
01:33:53.640 --> 01:33:57.159
every year on Steam, so we're
dealing with three hundred games a year or

1425
01:33:57.279 --> 01:34:00.840
a day or whatever whatever that math
works out to. I don't like doing

1426
01:34:00.920 --> 01:34:03.800
that right now. And it's just
trying to break through the noise and you

1427
01:34:03.880 --> 01:34:10.840
know, between content creators, TikTok, media, decline, adjustments, all

1428
01:34:10.880 --> 01:34:14.880
this kind of stuff, trying to
navigate like what a little bit what our

1429
01:34:15.000 --> 01:34:17.479
role is I mean, typically it's
kind of trying to connect people with the

1430
01:34:17.600 --> 01:34:20.840
right games and go, Okay,
you as a journalist or you, you

1431
01:34:20.920 --> 01:34:25.119
know, as a content creator,
here's stuff I think you like. But

1432
01:34:25.239 --> 01:34:29.800
you have one hundred people doing the
same thing every day and trying to be

1433
01:34:29.960 --> 01:34:33.920
like, you know, get somebody
actually care about something. And then you

1434
01:34:34.000 --> 01:34:36.840
know, also, I think a
big part of it is trying to not

1435
01:34:38.199 --> 01:34:42.039
just tell people what to like,
but like have something of value that you're

1436
01:34:42.079 --> 01:34:45.920
trying to show to someone they care. And it's just it's it's gotten a

1437
01:34:45.960 --> 01:34:49.640
lot noisier. And yeah, it's
it's changed a tremendous amount. Yeah,

1438
01:34:49.640 --> 01:34:56.399
I know, I'm the one that's
like not answering these emails. Yeah,

1439
01:34:57.800 --> 01:35:00.800
it's like it's too much. I
don't know what to do here, and

1440
01:35:00.920 --> 01:35:01.960
we have to I mean, we
have to look at it holistically too,

1441
01:35:02.079 --> 01:35:05.960
like be like, can I expect
you to look at all these things and

1442
01:35:06.520 --> 01:35:10.800
play them all. It's like,
here's a two hundred hour RPG, I

1443
01:35:10.880 --> 01:35:13.680
need it reviewed by next week and
you've never heard of it. So it's

1444
01:35:13.760 --> 01:35:15.079
like, okay, great, yeah, let me let me drop everything I'm

1445
01:35:15.119 --> 01:35:18.840
doing. Yeah. So it's you
know, it's it's a challenge and yeah,

1446
01:35:18.880 --> 01:35:21.199
it's like you're like, why do
we do this? I don't know.

1447
01:35:25.640 --> 01:35:28.000
Now, yeah, it has it
become more of like, Okay,

1448
01:35:28.239 --> 01:35:31.560
we were managing games and now we're
sort of managing people's relationship to these to

1449
01:35:31.640 --> 01:35:33.840
these games, like trying to then
okay, so well, I mean I

1450
01:35:33.880 --> 01:35:36.880
think a little bit, but like
we, I would say, used to

1451
01:35:38.239 --> 01:35:43.079
feel much more relationship based, where
like or there was like a window where

1452
01:35:43.119 --> 01:35:45.920
it went from okay, you'll cover
everything to okay, now relationships matter.

1453
01:35:46.079 --> 01:35:49.840
And now we're in like this kind
of like post relationship sort of economy where

1454
01:35:50.520 --> 01:35:56.800
press and content creators are like I'm
waiting for something to become popular because in

1455
01:35:57.039 --> 01:36:00.560
order to justify spending the time to
talk about it, but at the same

1456
01:36:00.640 --> 01:36:03.880
time, I need to talk about
it to make it popular. And so

1457
01:36:04.079 --> 01:36:09.640
and we're dealing like our our platform
terminals. We have like thirty thousand content

1458
01:36:09.720 --> 01:36:14.800
creators and media in that system.
So how do you build relationships? Like

1459
01:36:14.880 --> 01:36:20.079
yeah, something becomes like ultra ultra
viral, right, it's like everyone's kind

1460
01:36:20.119 --> 01:36:24.199
of waiting for one to lead and
then they will jump on it and they're

1461
01:36:24.199 --> 01:36:27.079
like, oh, it's actually really
beneficial for me. To talk about.

1462
01:36:27.119 --> 01:36:31.079
And then there's this one hell divers
situation where the game's good, but also

1463
01:36:31.279 --> 01:36:35.399
we benefit from all talking about every
day. Now, yeah, I will

1464
01:36:35.479 --> 01:36:40.039
say that that I do think that. Yeah, as you say, it's

1465
01:36:40.640 --> 01:36:44.239
we get so so so so many
pr emails every single day. But at

1466
01:36:44.279 --> 01:36:47.760
the same time, there is a
level of oh, if I do have

1467
01:36:47.880 --> 01:36:53.319
something coming from somebody who I haven't
existed relationship with, then I will always

1468
01:36:53.760 --> 01:36:57.079
at least reply and say thank you
so much for setting me this code.

1469
01:36:57.119 --> 01:36:59.800
I don't know if I'm gonna have
time, but I always feel guilty.

1470
01:37:00.319 --> 01:37:03.479
I mean, I think there's value
in that and like relationships do help,

1471
01:37:03.560 --> 01:37:06.199
but like we we also can't.
I mean, we're an agency and we

1472
01:37:06.680 --> 01:37:10.880
have like thirty five employees. We
work on one hundred games a year or

1473
01:37:10.960 --> 01:37:14.159
something like that. If the game's
not great, I can't be like,

1474
01:37:14.239 --> 01:37:15.800
no, seriously, check it out. As soon as I say, take

1475
01:37:15.840 --> 01:37:18.279
a look at it, I promise
it'll be good. And it sucks,

1476
01:37:18.319 --> 01:37:20.520
You're like, I'm never going to
listen to you again. Right, So

1477
01:37:20.720 --> 01:37:27.680
it's a weird thing too with gamers
and like being advertised games like I don't

1478
01:37:27.720 --> 01:37:31.119
know, Like before obviously we didn't
know every game that was coming out,

1479
01:37:31.199 --> 01:37:33.840
right, We would sometimes have to
walk into a game stop and just browse

1480
01:37:33.920 --> 01:37:38.920
and whatever looked cool was cool for
sure, right. Or we would see

1481
01:37:39.119 --> 01:37:44.359
like the big commercials from the Call
of Duty, the Driving game, you

1482
01:37:44.439 --> 01:37:48.319
know, the one other you know
platform or maybe now it's like you said,

1483
01:37:48.359 --> 01:37:53.239
the reverse kind of because it's like
we have to wait for the big

1484
01:37:53.319 --> 01:37:57.880
thing to hit, but the big
thing won't hit unless we make it hit,

1485
01:37:58.279 --> 01:38:00.680
you know. So it's game is
don't know what they're being advertised to.

1486
01:38:00.760 --> 01:38:03.600
So they think the only games coming
out are like the five ones with

1487
01:38:03.680 --> 01:38:08.960
the biggest budgets, and they hate
them when they they think that's it,

1488
01:38:11.119 --> 01:38:13.600
right, they get the sense that
like these are all the same games.

1489
01:38:13.640 --> 01:38:15.760
It's like just the ones you're paying
three hundred games came out today, I

1490
01:38:15.880 --> 01:38:18.960
promise it, you're not seeing nothing
but live service shooter games. Well,

1491
01:38:19.000 --> 01:38:21.600
and I was going to say too
that I like, I feel like again

1492
01:38:21.640 --> 01:38:27.920
since we were talking about Blatro,
like this is uh, this is one

1493
01:38:27.960 --> 01:38:32.399
of those things where it just I'm
just advertising right now. It was one

1494
01:38:32.399 --> 01:38:34.760
of those things where it just like
it popped off and it was and it

1495
01:38:34.840 --> 01:38:40.279
started word of mouth you know literally
like I remember my my brother telling me

1496
01:38:40.439 --> 01:38:43.840
like, oh, you got to
check out the Loatro Rocks and then it's

1497
01:38:43.920 --> 01:38:46.640
like constantly on in our household,
so and you know what it is.

1498
01:38:46.720 --> 01:38:48.479
It's like I was going to ask
you guys, if you have any tricks

1499
01:38:48.520 --> 01:38:50.720
to sort of get our attentions,
and it's like, I think the one

1500
01:38:50.760 --> 01:38:54.640
thing that always works on me is
make it feel like it was our idea.

1501
01:38:55.680 --> 01:38:59.079
You want to feel ownership, which
is why when we did this bit

1502
01:38:59.479 --> 01:39:00.199
when he like dance like, are
you okay with that? I'm like,

1503
01:39:00.359 --> 01:39:04.359
yeah, I do feel it was
a bit. I feel some ownership over

1504
01:39:04.439 --> 01:39:06.880
Bloto because we talked about it early
on the BombCast and a lot of people

1505
01:39:06.880 --> 01:39:10.279
have told us we discovered it by
listening to you, and it's like so

1506
01:39:10.399 --> 01:39:14.039
it's like I feel attached to it, And how do you how do you

1507
01:39:14.119 --> 01:39:16.199
manufacture that? That's not easy,
right, that's like also impossible. I

1508
01:39:16.239 --> 01:39:19.479
think that was important for us to
find a win win because nobody's there to

1509
01:39:19.520 --> 01:39:21.600
do you a favor, Like there
are so many games you do, like

1510
01:39:21.680 --> 01:39:26.520
what do you get out of covering
my game? Especially for streamers? And

1511
01:39:26.640 --> 01:39:30.600
if I just send this to anyone
like any only streets shooting games. You're

1512
01:39:30.640 --> 01:39:31.840
not getting a win out of covering
my game. But if I send it

1513
01:39:31.960 --> 01:39:35.319
like a Northern lion who gets like
one hundreds of hours of content out of

1514
01:39:35.399 --> 01:39:38.600
game, that's why I win.
That's that's my guy. That's what we

1515
01:39:38.640 --> 01:39:41.800
have talked. And the second thing
I learned is like everyone is an influencer.

1516
01:39:41.960 --> 01:39:45.359
Everyone is an ince like you,
even like Jason Schreier. He's a

1517
01:39:45.399 --> 01:39:49.439
big fan of Case of gond Idol, and he became an influencer because when

1518
01:39:49.479 --> 01:39:53.319
he talked about it, other journalists
started paying attention, and then they started

1519
01:39:53.359 --> 01:39:57.199
covering a game because they heard someone
who they know unofficially without like a business

1520
01:39:58.520 --> 01:40:00.960
about the game. Oh I should
check this game out. And then like

1521
01:40:00.000 --> 01:40:02.079
I don't want to like, oh, you're an influencer for me now,

1522
01:40:02.159 --> 01:40:05.359
but it's like you still have influenced, so I have to make sure that

1523
01:40:05.399 --> 01:40:11.319
you've collected exactly. But I need
to know what you like genuinely because you

1524
01:40:11.439 --> 01:40:15.359
will talk about that because you're still
enthusiastic about the industry. And again sure,

1525
01:40:15.640 --> 01:40:21.720
yeah, it's like targeting the people
that like that particular style of game,

1526
01:40:21.800 --> 01:40:28.880
as you say, if you can, right, Yeah, you can

1527
01:40:28.960 --> 01:40:30.640
try your best. We have a
whole tagging system where like, okay,

1528
01:40:30.720 --> 01:40:33.760
I hope, let's let's hope for
the best and see if this person likes

1529
01:40:33.800 --> 01:40:38.560
it. But again, like for
you guys on the media side, there's

1530
01:40:38.720 --> 01:40:42.920
traffic to consider, and if you
post videos or post articles about games that

1531
01:40:43.000 --> 01:40:46.279
nobody's heard of, unless that's your
shtick, like people are just like,

1532
01:40:46.640 --> 01:40:49.520
you're not getting clicks, you're not
getting views, you're not getting ad revenue,

1533
01:40:49.520 --> 01:40:51.560
and then it doesn't work. So
it has to like it has to

1534
01:40:51.640 --> 01:40:55.399
be this kind of weird circle.
And you know, I mean, Jeff

1535
01:40:55.439 --> 01:40:59.600
showed off all those kind of games
that got big this year, and we

1536
01:40:59.720 --> 01:41:03.520
worked like Enshrouded and Our World and
Bilatro and all this kind of stuff.

1537
01:41:03.920 --> 01:41:08.319
Those are games that I mean,
we take the same approach with most titles.

1538
01:41:08.319 --> 01:41:10.439
It's like, hey, all right, let's go show you this game

1539
01:41:10.520 --> 01:41:13.560
and hope for the best. But
then some of them pop off and some

1540
01:41:13.840 --> 01:41:15.399
don't, and you're just kind of
like, why don't I don't know,

1541
01:41:15.600 --> 01:41:18.880
right, And it's not even easy
to diagnose after the fact, let alone

1542
01:41:18.920 --> 01:41:23.640
be able to plan for it.
And it's the same thing like going not

1543
01:41:23.760 --> 01:41:26.560
even just like sell game. Getting
your friends to just play a game,

1544
01:41:26.600 --> 01:41:28.840
right, you almost have to still
make it seem like it's their idea,

1545
01:41:28.920 --> 01:41:30.279
especially if the game costs money.
Yeah. You know how many people I

1546
01:41:30.520 --> 01:41:35.359
introduced the Hill Divers too and they
said absolutely not. Yeah, he said

1547
01:41:35.399 --> 01:41:42.840
absolutely not. Months later they're posting
about ittok. No one remember you told

1548
01:41:42.880 --> 01:41:48.039
them the first time on my own
yea his own streamer, do it again.

1549
01:41:48.119 --> 01:41:51.720
They'll ever remember the press. The
freide of the text message still circles

1550
01:41:51.760 --> 01:41:55.159
back to exactly what you were saying, Grub. It's like you have to

1551
01:41:55.359 --> 01:41:59.760
sort of like make people you want
to ownership. The idea we always talk

1552
01:41:59.760 --> 01:42:01.920
about on the podcast is like people
tell themselves a story to get yeah over

1553
01:42:01.960 --> 01:42:04.880
that hump of why I'm spending this
money? Yeah, And that's a real

1554
01:42:05.000 --> 01:42:08.560
challenge for like Xbox right now,
Like, what's the story you're telling yourself

1555
01:42:08.600 --> 01:42:11.960
to like buy the console. It's
and it happens for every single game,

1556
01:42:11.960 --> 01:42:14.560
every single purchase we make. It's
a narrative we have to tell ourselves,

1557
01:42:14.760 --> 01:42:16.479
and so it really helps if you
feel like it's special and it means something

1558
01:42:16.600 --> 01:42:19.840
it is. It's very true though, that there is a level of if

1559
01:42:19.920 --> 01:42:25.159
you are somebody that has a relationship
with other people and you are talking about

1560
01:42:25.159 --> 01:42:27.840
a specific game, and you are
somebody whose opinion they trust that like they

1561
01:42:27.920 --> 01:42:32.159
will play the game. I had
so many people messaging me well this year

1562
01:42:32.600 --> 01:42:38.000
saying that they had started playing the
Final Fantasy seven remake series at all,

1563
01:42:38.199 --> 01:42:40.920
like they because like Rebirth came out, they hadn't played remake and they're like

1564
01:42:41.000 --> 01:42:44.119
oh, They're like, oh my
god, I think I love Final Fantasy.

1565
01:42:44.159 --> 01:42:46.520
And I'm like, yeah, I've
been like telling you that for a

1566
01:42:46.600 --> 01:42:54.800
little while, so I guess you're
welcome period. But the other really,

1567
01:42:55.000 --> 01:42:59.279
the other, you know, big
one for me was Haites. Oh yeah

1568
01:42:59.319 --> 01:43:02.319
that I you know, I that
was my depression game. So you know,

1569
01:43:02.399 --> 01:43:04.960
I was playing for like eight hours
at a time and I was like,

1570
01:43:05.039 --> 01:43:08.920
well, I think I might I
might shower, now, I might

1571
01:43:09.039 --> 01:43:12.119
check, I might need to talk
to a doctor. What's going on with

1572
01:43:12.199 --> 01:43:15.119
me? But I truly had so
many friends being like, oh my god,

1573
01:43:15.159 --> 01:43:16.399
I started playing that game because you
were posting about it, and and

1574
01:43:16.520 --> 01:43:21.159
and again it's like that is the
ecosystem. Yeah, we exist with it.

1575
01:43:21.359 --> 01:43:25.920
It's like what was saving about?
Like everyone's in influencing people their friends

1576
01:43:26.000 --> 01:43:29.640
yea, like they got yeah secret
exactly. You have to sprinkle in a

1577
01:43:29.680 --> 01:43:31.119
little I hate this game in there, but you got to sprinkle a little

1578
01:43:31.159 --> 01:43:35.600
bit of like dislike, can't you
can't be all good games, chill is

1579
01:43:35.680 --> 01:43:40.319
someone you can't trust. Yeah,
even if it's genuine. Yeah, I

1580
01:43:40.439 --> 01:43:43.399
got to throw in a little mobile
ads for the people playing the games bad.

1581
01:43:43.439 --> 01:43:45.039
It's like, if you like this
game so much, why you're so

1582
01:43:45.119 --> 01:43:45.640
bad? I should go play it
and show you how to do it.

1583
01:43:45.800 --> 01:43:50.439
Yeah, just similar idea, dell. Okay, so working at a new

1584
01:43:50.479 --> 01:43:54.840
studio you have worked at several other
studies before. What's it like kind of

1585
01:43:54.840 --> 01:43:58.479
starting something from scratch or just what's
the process been? Like? I mean,

1586
01:43:59.520 --> 01:44:01.680
I'm not the one starting this,
Okay, You're you're you're topping on

1587
01:44:01.720 --> 01:44:05.239
the train and already moving a lot
of cool people who are already pushing the

1588
01:44:05.319 --> 01:44:11.119
train before. I guess there's there's
a lot of huge differences that maybe people

1589
01:44:11.159 --> 01:44:15.439
outside might not consider. Like,
for example, I was fortunate enough to

1590
01:44:15.439 --> 01:44:20.960
work on the main characters of Suicide
Squad, and that comes with inheriting what

1591
01:44:21.439 --> 01:44:27.760
expectations are there that so like,
regardless of how the game turned down,

1592
01:44:28.399 --> 01:44:32.560
there's already a preconception of what we
deserve and going into a new place that

1593
01:44:32.640 --> 01:44:39.800
doesn't have any of that, like
there's an an uneasiness that's removed immediately.

1594
01:44:39.960 --> 01:44:43.199
I mean, I've also worked on
Jedi Survival, where the first one was

1595
01:44:43.239 --> 01:44:45.479
quite successful and they were like,
oh, people want more of this.

1596
01:44:45.720 --> 01:44:49.840
But there is definitely something where we're
like a studio will be like it's happened

1597
01:44:49.840 --> 01:44:54.520
anoid dog like people we're working on
We're working on the Last of Us online,

1598
01:44:54.520 --> 01:44:59.439
and people immediately have an expectation of
what it needs to be, and

1599
01:45:00.000 --> 01:45:04.920
going to a new place where that's
not there is like so nice. It's

1600
01:45:05.119 --> 01:45:10.359
like new uneasiness though of like well
now I don't have that the crutches to

1601
01:45:10.399 --> 01:45:13.359
rely on, or I got to
make something that is appealing all on its

1602
01:45:13.439 --> 01:45:20.880
own. It's easy. Yeah,
like oh yes, so there is a

1603
01:45:20.960 --> 01:45:28.039
lot of I've been industry industry almost
fifteen years now, so I've been broken

1604
01:45:28.199 --> 01:45:32.239
enough time where like I'm not going
to come in with the element of like

1605
01:45:32.319 --> 01:45:34.520
yeah, no, everything to be
fine, But there is a level of

1606
01:45:34.760 --> 01:45:40.840
like, I guess, under the
realism of the situation, you've whether this

1607
01:45:40.920 --> 01:45:44.359
storm before, right and seeing what's
in front of you is a bit more

1608
01:45:44.479 --> 01:45:46.800
like, okay, cool, I
know where I'm at. I know the

1609
01:45:46.880 --> 01:45:50.640
situation. I've been on this radio
before. There are a lot of advantage

1610
01:45:50.640 --> 01:45:56.319
here. There are disadvantages too,
but I think I can navigate these disadvantages

1611
01:45:56.640 --> 01:46:00.920
as well. But it's also a
different world because you know, it's really

1612
01:46:01.119 --> 01:46:05.760
interesting hearing your side of the spectrum
as well talking about like just getting heard,

1613
01:46:06.359 --> 01:46:11.640
which is because one of the aspects
is like funding has now become this

1614
01:46:12.520 --> 01:46:15.800
massive discussion you're going to talk about, and like, you know how money

1615
01:46:15.840 --> 01:46:19.920
there it takes to even just get
a game started. But then there's this

1616
01:46:20.039 --> 01:46:23.399
thing about like, oh, I'm
not going to spend what seventy dollars on

1617
01:46:23.520 --> 01:46:26.800
this new game blah blah blah,
where it's like nine nighty five. If

1618
01:46:26.840 --> 01:46:30.119
you wanted to play the new Super
Nintendo game, it cost fifty five dollars.

1619
01:46:30.680 --> 01:46:34.359
Back then, I was gonna say, in fifty five dollars in like

1620
01:46:34.600 --> 01:46:42.920
nineteen ninety eight, money much.
Yeah, I really think about that a

1621
01:46:43.039 --> 01:46:45.039
lot, actually, because it's only
been recently the games have even been sold

1622
01:46:45.079 --> 01:46:51.199
for seventy dollars, and in my
experience from my childhood in the nineties,

1623
01:46:51.359 --> 01:46:56.159
games cost fifty dollars. That's what
they cost. But again, fifty dollars

1624
01:46:56.279 --> 01:46:59.359
in nineteen ninety two was very is
very different. Yeah, fifty dollars in

1625
01:46:59.479 --> 01:47:02.039
twenty twenty. Yeah, Like,
I'm sure the inflation is probably like one

1626
01:47:02.119 --> 01:47:05.279
hundred and ten hundred and fifteen dollars, like you if you inflate adjustment.

1627
01:47:05.560 --> 01:47:13.079
But it's not just the price too. It's Donkey Kong Country fantastic game took

1628
01:47:13.119 --> 01:47:16.880
eighteen months to make. Yep.
There's no game that you're gonna sell country

1629
01:47:17.000 --> 01:47:23.359
numbers now in an eighteen month game
without some real luck like Super Mario sixty

1630
01:47:23.399 --> 01:47:27.199
four also about eighteen months, which
is crazy, and that was a huge

1631
01:47:27.239 --> 01:47:29.680
week from what they had done.
They were figuring all this stuff out and

1632
01:47:29.760 --> 01:47:31.680
basically did it in about a year
and a half. Right, So now

1633
01:47:31.720 --> 01:47:35.439
you're making you're taking a game,
you're using, you're making the game in

1634
01:47:36.399 --> 01:47:41.279
six like double the amount of time. Let's say they doubling the bit.

1635
01:47:41.920 --> 01:47:45.159
Yeah, like amount of time to
make the to make a game, you're

1636
01:47:45.239 --> 01:47:48.119
pricing it at half when you adjust
for inflation, and you have to compete.

1637
01:47:48.119 --> 01:47:54.720
They're competing with sure, like so
it's ten gamers who don't buy games.

1638
01:47:58.880 --> 01:48:00.199
I like, I couldn't imagine,
Like I used to be like,

1639
01:48:00.239 --> 01:48:02.319
oh, I'm going to start a
game studio. Someday, it's gonna be

1640
01:48:02.319 --> 01:48:06.840
fucking great. I couldn't imagine anything
more terrifying than starting a game studio nowaday

1641
01:48:06.840 --> 01:48:10.680
it was just because of all of
this, and like, I think it's

1642
01:48:10.680 --> 01:48:15.039
also a little bit like there's there's
no big events because there's no like,

1643
01:48:15.119 --> 01:48:20.319
there's nothing special that happens. Everything's
just like contest. Yeah, you're like,

1644
01:48:20.439 --> 01:48:24.279
hey, we're the big game today. If I wasn't on the internet

1645
01:48:24.359 --> 01:48:27.119
today, I never heard of your
thing. Ye, yeah today. I

1646
01:48:27.279 --> 01:48:29.800
know, maybe I'll see it tomorrow, but probably not. You know.

1647
01:48:30.000 --> 01:48:32.600
So at the same time too,
though, just you know, Delle talking

1648
01:48:32.640 --> 01:48:36.079
about how you know there's being involved
in a new game studio and not being

1649
01:48:36.239 --> 01:48:43.680
beholden to IP and existing expectations.
I do think that there is God,

1650
01:48:43.720 --> 01:48:45.800
I think there's a market for people
that want new stuff. Yeah, I

1651
01:48:45.840 --> 01:48:48.079
mean, you know, like right
now, I think like a lot of

1652
01:48:48.119 --> 01:48:51.000
the concern is there's been a lot
of stagnation, Yeah, playing a handful

1653
01:48:51.000 --> 01:48:54.720
of games. Yeah, and there
was a long time where the one constant

1654
01:48:54.760 --> 01:48:57.439
and gaming was everything always changes.
Yeah, it'd be very different than next

1655
01:48:57.479 --> 01:49:00.359
year. What people want is very
different. The one shooter's gonna the next

1656
01:49:00.359 --> 01:49:01.640
shooter, and then that's gonna get
it replaced five to ten years later.

1657
01:49:01.960 --> 01:49:04.840
And now here we are and that
doesn't feel like it's happening, but that

1658
01:49:05.119 --> 01:49:08.680
that just means like we're gonna be
blind to it when it comes, right,

1659
01:49:08.920 --> 01:49:11.680
it is gonna change again. I
mean there'll be some change, right,

1660
01:49:11.800 --> 01:49:15.239
Like change is constant, yeah the
industry, right, so is pain

1661
01:49:15.680 --> 01:49:18.920
Yeah, yeah, definitely. I
think that the big thing too, like

1662
01:49:18.960 --> 01:49:21.560
you said, it's not just the
money, but the games now are lasting

1663
01:49:21.600 --> 01:49:25.560
forever. That was literally right.
I mean that that's one of the bigger

1664
01:49:25.600 --> 01:49:27.920
change too. Is like I remember
talking to one of the guys from Netflix

1665
01:49:27.960 --> 01:49:29.840
early on. I'm like, are
you guys gonna rent games? He's like,

1666
01:49:29.880 --> 01:49:31.399
an old game isn't like an old
movie. It feels way older.

1667
01:49:31.560 --> 01:49:35.439
And that right now, like Witcher
doesn't feel old, even Skyrim doesn't feel

1668
01:49:35.479 --> 01:49:41.520
that old myself forever. So it's
like just basically competition from every angle for

1669
01:49:41.880 --> 01:49:45.279
every game, and I think people
gamers feel a little bit spoiled by this,

1670
01:49:45.399 --> 01:49:48.079
and this makes it the standards get
set that much higher, and it's

1671
01:49:48.119 --> 01:49:53.600
that much more difficult to overcome.
There's a cannibalization happening to you. So

1672
01:49:53.720 --> 01:49:58.399
I'm thinking I'm now an outside of
looking over at different publishers, I'm like,

1673
01:49:58.600 --> 01:50:00.800
oh, it's great, this a
Conco's coming out. I'm like,

1674
01:50:00.920 --> 01:50:05.359
that's cool, I'm gonna check it
out. I expect many hell Divers players

1675
01:50:05.680 --> 01:50:12.439
might move over and play that.
So then there's a level I'm assuming of

1676
01:50:13.000 --> 01:50:17.399
PlayStation just accepting some level of cannibalization
where your market is the whole place for

1677
01:50:17.479 --> 01:50:19.920
as long as possible, but then
you put something else in front of them

1678
01:50:20.000 --> 01:50:23.399
right when you can see how that
might benefit them, because it's like you're

1679
01:50:23.439 --> 01:50:27.720
still with an ecosystem. We're keeping
you like entertained, so little leverage.

1680
01:50:27.720 --> 01:50:30.600
You will go back and forth and
then we got I get it. But

1681
01:50:30.680 --> 01:50:33.239
it's like that's still like we're not
really talking about real growth. We're talking

1682
01:50:33.239 --> 01:50:35.800
about making sure we're getting the same
money from the same people, were getting

1683
01:50:35.920 --> 01:50:39.119
more and more people. Yeah,
I was talking with some other people about

1684
01:50:39.159 --> 01:50:43.279
this, the like market in the
audience hasn't grown like exponentially, so we're

1685
01:50:43.359 --> 01:50:46.439
just all fighting for the same but
it's get in some aspects exactly, it's

1686
01:50:46.439 --> 01:50:49.119
getting like if you're under the age
of I think today, say, if

1687
01:50:49.119 --> 01:50:53.159
you're under the age of fifty eighteen, you might may have never used a

1688
01:50:53.159 --> 01:50:56.000
control path. Yeah, the consoles
are because you're like an iPad kid.

1689
01:50:56.359 --> 01:51:01.640
You can say sport nights and there's
an entire spectrum of like kids that are

1690
01:51:01.680 --> 01:51:04.239
like, yeah, I play video
games. You're like, no, you

1691
01:51:04.399 --> 01:51:09.239
only play that game on your tablet
because everyone in your class plays that,

1692
01:51:09.479 --> 01:51:12.079
right, And it's like that's just
normal to them, of course it is.

1693
01:51:12.159 --> 01:51:14.079
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I
went to visit my cousins in the

1694
01:51:14.119 --> 01:51:16.880
Netherlands that I can nine to fifteen, we play games, and all they

1695
01:51:16.880 --> 01:51:20.960
did was is YouTube shorts and brawl
stars on their phone. Yeah, like,

1696
01:51:21.000 --> 01:51:25.760
oh here with all these amazing and
have you heard of business. Yeah,

1697
01:51:26.199 --> 01:51:28.720
I mean we even amazing. We
even see that, you know,

1698
01:51:28.800 --> 01:51:32.439
within the ecosystem of because you know, fandom owns the a lot of the

1699
01:51:32.479 --> 01:51:36.239
wikis that are not Wikipedia or dot
fandom dot comdomin so it's like Wikipedia,

1700
01:51:36.319 --> 01:51:43.439
the Star Wars Wiki and and a
lot of our biggest wikis are experiences within

1701
01:51:43.840 --> 01:51:47.319
roadblocks. And again it's because you
do you have this whole generation who that

1702
01:51:47.640 --> 01:51:50.840
is what they have grown up playing
All of all of my friends who are

1703
01:51:50.840 --> 01:51:54.720
like middle school teachers, right,
all the students play Robot and it is

1704
01:51:54.800 --> 01:51:58.680
like fundamentally different because Roadblocks is this
massive thing that can get absolutely and they

1705
01:51:58.720 --> 01:52:00.920
can they could keep you in that, yeah, because that he goes much

1706
01:52:00.960 --> 01:52:02.640
longer than a lot of other much
longer, because there's a bunch of different

1707
01:52:02.680 --> 01:52:05.920
experiences within it. It's you know, there there is the just like hanging

1708
01:52:05.960 --> 01:52:10.800
on Roadblocks and going to the Lil
nase X concert in Roadblocks, which is

1709
01:52:10.840 --> 01:52:14.319
a real thing. But then also
it's you know, you have all of

1710
01:52:14.359 --> 01:52:17.520
these different games like Blocks. Fruits
is our number one game a lot of

1711
01:52:17.560 --> 01:52:21.600
the time in the trending gaming wikis, and that's like a one piece inspired

1712
01:52:23.119 --> 01:52:26.399
game. Right, I feel so
older. I know That's how I feel

1713
01:52:26.479 --> 01:52:29.560
too. What Like I kept coming
up on the trending wikis and I was

1714
01:52:29.640 --> 01:52:33.239
like, what on earth is it's
trying to do research on like a slight

1715
01:52:33.920 --> 01:52:40.479
slight positive note though, I think
a lot of the younger kids, like

1716
01:52:40.560 --> 01:52:45.880
the kids, they really do still
understand and have a solid respect for like

1717
01:52:45.000 --> 01:52:48.640
the older games, like you would
be surprised how much how many of them

1718
01:52:48.760 --> 01:52:53.800
like no sonic right, you know, like sonic right. And it's also

1719
01:52:53.920 --> 01:52:59.760
because maybe I don't know unfortunately,
but like memes honestly yet creators reference them

1720
01:52:59.800 --> 01:53:01.640
and that right again, whatever you
could play on a chromebook, so like

1721
01:53:01.720 --> 01:53:06.720
if they have a random emulator or
a knockoff game that made his way over

1722
01:53:06.840 --> 01:53:12.119
to chromebook website that think I access
on a school Internet, it's popp it

1723
01:53:12.239 --> 01:53:15.680
y. The barriers of t entry
zero, right, Yeah, Like if

1724
01:53:16.119 --> 01:53:20.000
if I was in high school and
I didn't have a Nintendo sixty four,

1725
01:53:20.439 --> 01:53:25.159
I had to ask others what that
game was like to make friends with that

1726
01:53:25.239 --> 01:53:28.239
kid to have, yeah, and
then hopefully he might like lend me his

1727
01:53:28.880 --> 01:53:30.680
sixty four. I'd go over his
house. Now I can just type it

1728
01:53:30.680 --> 01:53:34.800
in YouTube and watch the whole game
from beginning to end and like catch up.

1729
01:53:35.159 --> 01:53:39.079
Like, so the back of entry
is really low. You mentioned an

1730
01:53:39.119 --> 01:53:43.039
investment, and it feels like people
got a little bit misled. I think

1731
01:53:43.199 --> 01:53:46.960
over that couple of period, a
couple of year period where borrowing money was

1732
01:53:47.199 --> 01:53:50.920
very cheap, it was very very
inexpensive, so everyone was able to get

1733
01:53:50.920 --> 01:53:54.079
a ton of fundy and out of
nowhere, and I think people thought that

1734
01:53:54.239 --> 01:53:56.600
was normal, and now we've kind
of returned like, okay, there's some

1735
01:53:56.720 --> 01:54:00.680
there's an higher interest rates, and
now we're hearing it's a hit driven business

1736
01:54:00.800 --> 01:54:02.359
and we're looking for hits and it's
very hard to find the hits. It's

1737
01:54:02.399 --> 01:54:05.399
like that's actually how it always was
for a very long time while these investors

1738
01:54:05.439 --> 01:54:10.439
were gun shy. Do you think
that there is an equilibrium between these two

1739
01:54:10.479 --> 01:54:14.319
states or is it like actually back
towards the natural state of like it's hard

1740
01:54:14.359 --> 01:54:16.000
to get this investment money and it's
going to remain hard for a very long

1741
01:54:16.079 --> 01:54:20.319
time. I'm gonna do something really
British here and say, I don't know,

1742
01:54:23.279 --> 01:54:27.640
it's an acceptable yeah, like,
because I think much of the issues

1743
01:54:27.680 --> 01:54:30.079
that have happened here is people will
shure what's going to happen, right of

1744
01:54:30.159 --> 01:54:35.199
course, and ravidence. And I
think there are a lot of people who

1745
01:54:35.399 --> 01:54:41.279
are perpetuating this problem because they don't
know. They're not willing to there.

1746
01:54:41.399 --> 01:54:44.439
Don't get me wrong. There's investors
with money, oh yes, and they're

1747
01:54:44.520 --> 01:54:46.439
just like, I don't really know, let's wait until this fixes itself and

1748
01:54:46.520 --> 01:54:51.520
then buy them waiting it's that's a
big exactly race. And there's like I

1749
01:54:51.600 --> 01:54:54.520
wrote a tweet the other day and
I was just like, hey, here's

1750
01:54:54.560 --> 01:54:57.880
all the twenty twenty four studios that
have had layoffs and it was like one

1751
01:54:57.960 --> 01:55:02.640
hundred and twenty five with it just
from January of this year. Then a

1752
01:55:02.720 --> 01:55:09.880
load of them closes and yeah,
I don't know if they were all supposed

1753
01:55:09.920 --> 01:55:13.920
to have funding. I don't I
don't know, I don't know. Yeah,

1754
01:55:14.119 --> 01:55:16.319
yeah, it's uh, I think, well, you know a place

1755
01:55:16.359 --> 01:55:18.159
that like what does it look like
for you guys? So when it like

1756
01:55:18.680 --> 01:55:21.800
your publisher, but like what does
it look like for you when you approach

1757
01:55:21.800 --> 01:55:25.000
a game or try to find the
hits? So you said like the hit

1758
01:55:25.439 --> 01:55:28.439
driven media. I think it's right, Like I think finding next hit is

1759
01:55:28.439 --> 01:55:31.119
one of those little problems that every
everyone try to solve. And for us,

1760
01:55:31.159 --> 01:55:34.399
like our Discovery team is just unbeatable, like they have picked up winner

1761
01:55:34.439 --> 01:55:38.039
after winner, every winner, and
they're just very good at that and that

1762
01:55:38.239 --> 01:55:42.279
helps us see our titles like rise
through the ranks and go through the algorithm

1763
01:55:42.319 --> 01:55:45.079
of Steam and that's how you see
your success pay off. And it led

1764
01:55:45.199 --> 01:55:49.840
us and we're still pretty new ish, like our first PC console game was

1765
01:55:49.880 --> 01:55:53.840
four years ago, and now we
have a game for everyone. Like,

1766
01:55:53.880 --> 01:55:55.880
if you're like the cozy games,
we have something. If you want a

1767
01:55:55.920 --> 01:55:58.600
more gritty game, we have something. And that's just like I know if

1768
01:55:58.640 --> 01:56:00.640
it's luck, but I know these
guys are very very good at what they

1769
01:56:00.720 --> 01:56:05.199
do and they found this when it
had like fifty followers on Steam. And

1770
01:56:05.319 --> 01:56:09.640
it's like just being the first in
line, and but then you still have

1771
01:56:09.720 --> 01:56:13.439
to prove that you're worth the cut, right, like why pick playstack?

1772
01:56:13.760 --> 01:56:15.600
Well, we've done this, we've
done this, and we understand. We

1773
01:56:15.680 --> 01:56:18.319
work very close with the people.
But like for other people, if you're

1774
01:56:18.319 --> 01:56:23.479
a studio one hit miss and you
don't have that benefit of like oh we

1775
01:56:23.560 --> 01:56:28.600
have four more titles comment here.
But it's it's it's rough. What are

1776
01:56:28.640 --> 01:56:30.520
some of those like promises you can
are able to make developers? It's like

1777
01:56:30.600 --> 01:56:33.720
solving problems. Is it like we
already have existed relationships with all the things

1778
01:56:33.760 --> 01:56:35.600
you need to have. Yeah,
I guess, I guess because we have

1779
01:56:35.640 --> 01:56:39.039
a whole so we don't want to
get to like Silzy on this. But

1780
01:56:39.159 --> 01:56:41.119
like we have marked and we have
PR, we have Q and A,

1781
01:56:41.239 --> 01:56:45.560
we have the whole thing, and
we can allow people to just make games,

1782
01:56:45.680 --> 01:56:47.319
like if you like to make game
and if you're a solo the developer

1783
01:56:47.479 --> 01:56:49.479
or like a small studio, we
can take care of all that and you

1784
01:56:49.560 --> 01:56:53.239
can just focus on what you really
want to do. And then there's still

1785
01:56:53.279 --> 01:56:56.960
the publishers of like maybe this marketing
thing is maybe a little better, but

1786
01:56:57.439 --> 01:57:00.800
it helps. I think you've brought
up a perfect example of you know,

1787
01:57:00.039 --> 01:57:04.640
when Blatro got delisted on steaming a
bunch of places, you have a legal

1788
01:57:04.680 --> 01:57:06.920
department to take care of. Yeah, you know, it's not on the

1789
01:57:08.000 --> 01:57:12.239
developer to then try and handle that
all on their own. That's how maybe

1790
01:57:12.279 --> 01:57:15.359
how a whole bunch of people found
out about it too, truly. Yeah,

1791
01:57:15.960 --> 01:57:17.680
well someone people like, oh that
was good crisis management. They're like,

1792
01:57:17.720 --> 01:57:24.439
no sweating all day, we did
it right. But like I know,

1793
01:57:24.520 --> 01:57:26.800
if it helped INDI end because a
lot of people were talking about it's

1794
01:57:26.800 --> 01:57:30.359
sure, But it was still shitty
situation because it took about a week and

1795
01:57:30.439 --> 01:57:32.520
you're a week off the market in
some areas, like and you're a week

1796
01:57:32.640 --> 01:57:36.680
no sills, like that is scarya
of ships, even as a publisher.

1797
01:57:38.640 --> 01:57:41.720
But you know, you manage and
now we know how that works. We

1798
01:57:41.840 --> 01:57:45.479
are still discovering. We have to
learn from our mistakes, you know what

1799
01:57:45.520 --> 01:57:53.239
I mean, Like I don't know
other people no, but it's you know,

1800
01:57:53.680 --> 01:58:00.600
I'm a I'm a firm believer in
learn by doing so. So I

1801
01:58:00.680 --> 01:58:03.800
when you're you're an artist, you
design things. It then takes years for

1802
01:58:03.880 --> 01:58:06.640
people to see that stuff. Does
that? Is that something that bothered you?

1803
01:58:06.680 --> 01:58:09.760
Because I'm someone who like, I
do this, it's live, it

1804
01:58:09.800 --> 01:58:12.479
goes right out. I see the
reaction, I get the dopamine. I'm

1805
01:58:12.520 --> 01:58:15.560
good. Is that something that gets
to you or you were like able to

1806
01:58:15.600 --> 01:58:16.399
deal with that. You've been doing
it for fifteen years. I'm actually you

1807
01:58:16.439 --> 01:58:19.279
found some way to deal with it. Yeah. Sure, So you're not

1808
01:58:19.439 --> 01:58:25.319
gonna get good at any craft if
you don't get okay with the idea that

1809
01:58:25.600 --> 01:58:30.239
there's not an instantaneous grassification. Like
whether you're like a woodworker or you're a

1810
01:58:30.359 --> 01:58:32.680
makeup ARGs you wants to become professional, it is gonna take a long time.

1811
01:58:33.159 --> 01:58:35.840
And so just getting good at the
craft is a lot of like I

1812
01:58:36.159 --> 01:58:41.560
suck, but one day I might
not. Yeah, And so that extends

1813
01:58:41.600 --> 01:58:45.119
yourself to I'm working on something that
might take a long time for someone to

1814
01:58:45.159 --> 01:58:50.039
see. But it's also caveatd by
there's a fifty percent chance no one's gonna

1815
01:58:50.039 --> 01:58:53.920
see this, right, we don't
know if this game is gonna get canceled,

1816
01:58:54.079 --> 01:58:57.239
or this character I'm working on is
gonna get changed or pivoted. They're

1817
01:58:57.279 --> 01:59:01.399
gonna change this individual to a different
Endivie you'r there's so many things that so

1818
01:59:02.119 --> 01:59:08.279
the promise of it coming out is
usually enough to keep me going. But

1819
01:59:08.399 --> 01:59:12.800
then you also shouldn't be in it
in the industry if your whole goal is

1820
01:59:13.439 --> 01:59:16.520
someone please care about what I write
exactly. Just that's the poinson. Yeah,

1821
01:59:17.039 --> 01:59:21.880
you should be at least somewhat making
games because you like a game,

1822
01:59:23.199 --> 01:59:27.640
like or you like working on games
or wherever you do, even YouTube,

1823
01:59:27.800 --> 01:59:31.520
like if you're a content creator,
you'd kind of like some aspects of you

1824
01:59:31.560 --> 01:59:33.399
can tell, right, you can
tell when they're like doing it because they

1825
01:59:33.439 --> 01:59:36.960
really like it, right, people
know, people know, like, so,

1826
01:59:38.880 --> 01:59:41.520
yeah, the only the only downside
is it's taken longer and longer and

1827
01:59:41.600 --> 01:59:47.560
longer. Right, It's it's yeah, Like, so I joined rock Stadia

1828
01:59:47.560 --> 01:59:53.119
in twenty seventeen and then the game
didn't come out until twenty twenty four.

1829
01:59:53.399 --> 01:59:57.279
Yeah, so that was a very
long ride time, Like okay, So

1830
01:59:57.560 --> 02:00:00.159
the question I think they would be
like, do you feel sort of a

1831
02:00:00.239 --> 02:00:04.119
resentment towards people that caused it to
take longer? Or you fully understand like

1832
02:00:04.199 --> 02:00:08.000
how that happens. Is it like
something you feel any control of? Or

1833
02:00:08.199 --> 02:00:10.960
you have to wash your hands because
you can't control how long a game is

1834
02:00:11.000 --> 02:00:13.239
going to take even when you're working
on it. Yeah, that's not good

1835
02:00:13.279 --> 02:00:16.800
for your mental health. You're like, it's best to focus on the things

1836
02:00:16.840 --> 02:00:19.960
you have control over, and that
goes for like every aspect of life.

1837
02:00:20.079 --> 02:00:25.039
Right the moment you start getting residentful
about like oh, this isn't how I

1838
02:00:25.119 --> 02:00:29.079
wanted it to be, or this
wasn't my vision, Like screwed that guy.

1839
02:00:29.079 --> 02:00:31.359
He wants to work with that guy. Like so no, for me,

1840
02:00:31.560 --> 02:00:34.199
there's no reasm. If anything,
I'm just grateful that people got to

1841
02:00:34.199 --> 02:00:38.399
see the r I created. That's
like screw when it came out, Like,

1842
02:00:38.439 --> 02:00:41.680
I'm just really happy that, like
the pieces I worked on I'm pretty

1843
02:00:41.680 --> 02:00:45.680
proud of. Like there are tons
of things I worked on on games that

1844
02:00:45.479 --> 02:00:48.119
are now canceled. I would have
loved the last of us online to have

1845
02:00:48.199 --> 02:00:53.279
come out, but it didn't turn
out that way, and so there's like

1846
02:00:53.359 --> 02:00:56.239
tons of work in there that I
would have done that didn't come to fruition.

1847
02:00:56.399 --> 02:01:00.920
But that's okay, Like that's more
cool games gonna come. That's you're

1848
02:01:00.960 --> 02:01:05.159
just gonna go on to make cool
games that'll use those resources on something else.

1849
02:01:05.279 --> 02:01:09.680
So yeah, you can't think I
don't think it makes sense to think

1850
02:01:09.760 --> 02:01:14.039
that way. That's yeah, that's
a very strange way to live your life.

1851
02:01:14.600 --> 02:01:17.279
I think that's a very strange.
And then you know, between you

1852
02:01:17.319 --> 02:01:20.439
and Renel, like, how do
you guys feel about the way gamers are

1853
02:01:20.479 --> 02:01:25.000
acting online right now? Like this
past are the gamers though? I think

1854
02:01:25.039 --> 02:01:29.239
maybe they're not sense that they the
game is the game that they always say

1855
02:01:29.279 --> 02:01:30.479
that they want to be playing,
just came out and they're never playing it.

1856
02:01:30.479 --> 02:01:36.000
They're still online, right, Yeah. I think it's it's cool knowing

1857
02:01:36.680 --> 02:01:42.399
that they are my minority, right
it really it really got hit home recently

1858
02:01:42.479 --> 02:01:45.600
with me that how small they really
are. Yeah, Like it's most gamers

1859
02:01:45.720 --> 02:01:49.199
really don't care. Even from platform
to platform. There will be some like

1860
02:01:49.359 --> 02:01:53.439
on TikTok or maybe of course a
lot on Twitter. I would I can

1861
02:01:53.520 --> 02:01:58.439
post the same video across all three
platforms, they get completely different. Really,

1862
02:01:58.560 --> 02:02:01.560
give us an example, latest one, latest crazy one. Let's see,

1863
02:02:01.600 --> 02:02:09.960
let's seelet's see. Well I did
a full video about like what was

1864
02:02:10.000 --> 02:02:15.760
the latest thing that happened. It
was like Asthmin Gold like always has I

1865
02:02:15.880 --> 02:02:19.199
like, don't want to say the
internets can I'm gonna say a lot of

1866
02:02:19.199 --> 02:02:23.439
words. So there was, of
course a lot of the d I stuff,

1867
02:02:24.279 --> 02:02:28.520
a lot of the the new characters
that are coming out. They're trying

1868
02:02:28.520 --> 02:02:31.159
to do the revisionist history of like
the Allyway two, God of War,

1869
02:02:31.359 --> 02:02:35.039
et cetera, et cetera, et
cetera. I can post a video saying,

1870
02:02:35.159 --> 02:02:41.880
people, that's the latest thing,
Assassin's creed. So I posted a

1871
02:02:41.920 --> 02:02:45.960
real character based on realist right.
So I posted that video Twitter, TikTok,

1872
02:02:45.159 --> 02:02:49.039
Instagram saying because the video is doing
pretty good, like with pre order

1873
02:02:49.439 --> 02:02:51.880
numbers. You know what I'm saying, it's doing pre solid. So I

1874
02:02:53.039 --> 02:02:57.039
really just posted a facts. I
just posted like the facts of the situation.

1875
02:02:57.520 --> 02:03:01.760
A lot of people clearly don't care. On Twitter, anim made profiles

1876
02:03:01.920 --> 02:03:10.199
going crazy, going insanems, going
insane, unmentionables. They're happening over there.

1877
02:03:12.000 --> 02:03:19.000
I like how it's going. Yeah, it's it's insane. They're posting

1878
02:03:19.119 --> 02:03:26.640
all types of stuff TikTok solid medium
only because I think my actual followers are

1879
02:03:26.720 --> 02:03:30.119
like, they're kind of fighting back
a little bit. I think these videos

1880
02:03:30.159 --> 02:03:36.600
get posted on some discord or give
up. You can talk. The twenty

1881
02:03:36.680 --> 02:03:43.800
five people appear in the same minute
probably soccer count, right, so that

1882
02:03:44.119 --> 02:03:47.119
on TikTok right now, it was
like half of that and then half,

1883
02:03:47.319 --> 02:03:50.800
Like I just feel like it's because
they have to be a little bit more

1884
02:03:53.039 --> 02:03:56.840
logical because again they have some pushback
Twitter no pushback really right, They're they're

1885
02:03:57.039 --> 02:04:00.640
running them up. So on TikTok
they're coming up with these ideas of like,

1886
02:04:00.760 --> 02:04:02.880
well, I just feel like it's
a little weird that they are adding

1887
02:04:03.000 --> 02:04:06.000
this at this moment. Is still
on that platform, you know what I'm

1888
02:04:06.000 --> 02:04:10.239
saying, So they kind of are
in the middle. On Instagram evergreen,

1889
02:04:10.399 --> 02:04:13.479
right, maybe one or two,
you know. Other than that, they're

1890
02:04:13.560 --> 02:04:15.359
just like, oh yeah, that
makes sense. Man, it sounds on

1891
02:04:15.479 --> 02:04:19.119
Instagram recently. All right, we
gotta wrap up this segment. I gotta

1892
02:04:19.159 --> 02:04:24.479
wrap upegments. I'm not cutting you
off. Get signal all right, that

1893
02:04:24.600 --> 02:04:26.640
was a great subject. I had
a good time talking with these folks.

1894
02:04:26.800 --> 02:04:29.319
We're gonna be back about ten to
fifteen minutes with a new crop on the

1895
02:04:29.399 --> 02:04:45.039
couch right after this. Welcome back
to the only summer game Fest show that's

1896
02:04:45.039 --> 02:04:49.119
brought to you exclusively by the Microsoft
Holow Lens for VR. Now enjoy yourselves.

1897
02:04:50.000 --> 02:04:54.439
I'm Jeff Grubb Giant Bomb Night one, hanging out with some friends once

1898
02:04:54.479 --> 02:04:58.640
again. Got another excellent couch segment
for you, including my friend Ash Parrish.

1899
02:04:58.760 --> 02:05:00.439
Ash, how's it going? Okay, just say it. It's going

1900
02:05:00.520 --> 02:05:03.039
great. Is it cold or not? I'm beating your ass for this.

1901
02:05:04.000 --> 02:05:08.600
It's really cold. I understand,
like the air is like I did earlier,

1902
02:05:08.680 --> 02:05:11.560
maybe say I wanted to be colder
than Dave Letterman's theater who had it

1903
02:05:11.640 --> 02:05:15.359
like famously like refrigerated in his office. So it's my fault. You're right.

1904
02:05:15.399 --> 02:05:17.039
I'm sorry. Like I said,
I'm beating your ass for this.

1905
02:05:17.319 --> 02:05:19.760
I'm a sweaty man. I need
this. I need this real bad.

1906
02:05:19.920 --> 02:05:23.960
This is ridiculous. It's very cold. You're right. I'm sorry. Hey,

1907
02:05:24.359 --> 02:05:27.920
you're not made for this, Like
I'm a tropical people. Tropical people,

1908
02:05:28.039 --> 02:05:30.840
right, You're gonna Where did I
offered you a blanket? You said

1909
02:05:30.880 --> 02:05:33.479
that would be weird, And I
don't see no, like you have to

1910
02:05:33.560 --> 02:05:36.079
be cute. I can't you know
a blanket? I know, well,

1911
02:05:36.159 --> 02:05:39.319
listen, blanket. I don't think
anyone can think you're not cute. If

1912
02:05:39.319 --> 02:05:41.760
you're in the blanket, it's gonna
be fine. All right, Alex Jordan,

1913
02:05:41.800 --> 02:05:43.760
how you doing? I'm very well? Thank you? How you doing?

1914
02:05:43.800 --> 02:05:46.319
I'm doing good? Voice actor?
Right? Yes, yeah, voicides?

1915
02:05:46.760 --> 02:05:49.359
You've been like cyberpunk things like that. Yeah, I played mister Hands

1916
02:05:49.359 --> 02:05:55.560
in cyberpunk, right. Yeah.
This first one is Asher Forester in Telltales

1917
02:05:55.600 --> 02:05:58.880
Game of Thrones in twenty fourteen,
and been doing it ever since then.

1918
02:05:58.960 --> 02:06:00.680
On TLL you when you said mister
Hans, every single one on the couch

1919
02:06:00.840 --> 02:06:04.760
just kind of perked up a little
bit. I don't remember mister Hans.

1920
02:06:06.880 --> 02:06:10.119
Joey Ferris, how are you doing
doing? Great? Man, it's great

1921
02:06:10.159 --> 02:06:12.279
to be here. I'm a little
chilly too, but not that chilly.

1922
02:06:12.399 --> 02:06:17.239
Yeah, big boys, all right, we're right there of us. Peter

1923
02:06:17.279 --> 02:06:19.000
Spittek, how's it going, dude, I'm doing good. How are you

1924
02:06:19.000 --> 02:06:21.399
doing? Man? I'm doing okay. Everyone's asked you that, but I

1925
02:06:21.479 --> 02:06:25.680
just wanted to make sure I'm actually
you got you have to hear it between

1926
02:06:25.720 --> 02:06:29.199
segments. A million people ask me
that. They're like, okay, I'm

1927
02:06:29.239 --> 02:06:30.479
like, do I look bad?
I must just be falling apart over here,

1928
02:06:30.520 --> 02:06:32.479
but you're doing great. Thank you. Appreciate that. And Di,

1929
02:06:32.560 --> 02:06:34.800
you go on a guiz show,
right, thank you. Yes, I

1930
02:06:35.520 --> 02:06:39.680
have an Argentinian friend who wanted to
make sure I got that right, so

1931
02:06:39.760 --> 02:06:42.600
I did a little practice beforehand.
It was it was fun. Last year

1932
02:06:42.920 --> 02:06:45.359
we had someone on from who was
from Poland and they they wouldn't tell me

1933
02:06:45.399 --> 02:06:48.199
who it was going to be up
until the segment was going to start,

1934
02:06:48.399 --> 02:06:51.199
and I was like, oh,
that's the one I'm going to be able

1935
02:06:51.239 --> 02:06:55.439
to say. And I did not
say it appropriate at all. So I'm

1936
02:06:55.479 --> 02:06:57.960
glad I was able to practice.
How are you all hanging in there?

1937
02:06:58.039 --> 02:07:00.680
Is like we're out in LA,
We're seeing gay Alex. Maybe you're out

1938
02:07:00.680 --> 02:07:05.079
here based in LA or no,
I'm jet lagged as hell. You come

1939
02:07:05.079 --> 02:07:08.279
out here for this as well?
Yeah? I literally I came out for

1940
02:07:08.319 --> 02:07:12.399
this. I landed yesterday. I
had a nightmare flight where I had a

1941
02:07:12.479 --> 02:07:15.840
baby. I was in the middle. You had the baby? Why,

1942
02:07:15.960 --> 02:07:17.720
No, I didn't. Yeah,
so while I was on the flight,

1943
02:07:17.800 --> 02:07:20.800
I had the baby. I delivered
the baby on the flight. No,

1944
02:07:21.039 --> 02:07:26.079
So I ended up in the middle
of what I realized about an hour into

1945
02:07:26.119 --> 02:07:30.119
the flight was a family unit.
They had five rows. I was in

1946
02:07:30.199 --> 02:07:31.920
the third row, in the middle, on the window aisle, the window

1947
02:07:31.960 --> 02:07:35.399
set faintly putally, Yes, it
was them, and they all knew each

1948
02:07:35.439 --> 02:07:38.880
other, and there it was just
me in the middle of it. And

1949
02:07:38.960 --> 02:07:42.279
they had a baby that kept passing
around. And then at one point the

1950
02:07:42.399 --> 02:07:45.159
lady next to me reached her arms
behind to stretch, and she put her

1951
02:07:45.199 --> 02:07:48.079
hand over and just poked the baby
in the eye. So then we had

1952
02:07:48.079 --> 02:07:51.840
a crying baby for an hour.
Yeah, I'm I'm so jet lagged right

1953
02:07:51.880 --> 02:07:58.119
now. I lay down before coming
here to get some sleep and just stared

1954
02:07:58.119 --> 02:08:01.199
at the ceiling. Hey, that's
rest, and you need to fall asleep

1955
02:08:01.239 --> 02:08:09.039
on this couch. That's where Hey, yes, there we got blankets exactly.

1956
02:08:09.479 --> 02:08:11.520
We'll whisper absolutely. Joey, how
are you doing you come out?

1957
02:08:13.000 --> 02:08:16.199
You're getting your money's worth out of
Summer Games Fest. I'm getting my money

1958
02:08:16.279 --> 02:08:18.560
is worth totally. I thought the
show itself was fine, but just being

1959
02:08:18.640 --> 02:08:22.000
there's something different about watching that show
and being in the audience. Like even

1960
02:08:22.000 --> 02:08:24.159
if the show was okay, it's
it feels better just being in the audience

1961
02:08:24.199 --> 02:08:28.279
surrounded by everyone just cheering at all
the Fatal Fury stuff that was showing.

1962
02:08:28.399 --> 02:08:31.520
Right when you're watching, are you
sitting there like I mean you come up

1963
02:08:31.560 --> 02:08:33.760
like YouTube video ideas. That's your
job, right, So are you like

1964
02:08:33.800 --> 02:08:37.800
thinking I'm gonna do this when I
get back home or kind of it's I

1965
02:08:37.880 --> 02:08:41.560
did. I did like a Sonic
X Shadow Generations video for game Explain,

1966
02:08:41.680 --> 02:08:43.039
like just a little one, but
it was a pain because like none of

1967
02:08:43.079 --> 02:08:46.159
my equipment was working. So I
was just like I told Andre, Okay,

1968
02:08:46.199 --> 02:08:48.479
here's the video. If it's bad, don't use it. I gotta

1969
02:08:48.479 --> 02:08:52.479
be on Grab's show right now.
Perfect, Yes, absolutely, diego.

1970
02:08:52.600 --> 02:08:56.000
Do you fly in from Argentina or
yeah? I also kind of like a

1971
02:08:56.359 --> 02:09:01.279
weird experience you do my flight because
like my entire flight got delayed for an

1972
02:09:01.399 --> 02:09:03.520
entire day. Like I was just
like about to lead to airport and all

1973
02:09:03.560 --> 02:09:07.520
of a sudden it was just like
a your flight was moved for like nine

1974
02:09:07.640 --> 02:09:11.319
for four or something like that.
To APM. I was like, that

1975
02:09:11.439 --> 02:09:15.960
doesn't happen, Like flights don't get
earlier than there's supposed to be. I

1976
02:09:16.119 --> 02:09:18.680
know when I saw it was like, no, it's not Monday's Tuesday now.

1977
02:09:18.199 --> 02:09:20.720
So I had like everything back everything. It was just about to lee

1978
02:09:20.760 --> 02:09:22.600
and I was like, well,
I'm just gonna, like, you know,

1979
02:09:22.840 --> 02:09:26.840
chill. He went on to the
next day, which is a shame

1980
02:09:26.880 --> 02:09:28.640
because I lost like an entire day
in New York. I was gonna like

1981
02:09:28.800 --> 02:09:33.680
just chill for a bit with a
few friends before coming here today. So

1982
02:09:33.039 --> 02:09:35.520
yeah, is that like you kind
of have like make a meal of it

1983
02:09:35.560 --> 02:09:37.479
when you when you fly that far, like you gotta like, oh,

1984
02:09:37.520 --> 02:09:41.079
I'm going to see friends and then
I'll do this stuff for video games and

1985
02:09:41.119 --> 02:09:43.640
all this other stuff. Yeah.
Yeah, because like I only fly like

1986
02:09:43.920 --> 02:09:46.840
once or twice per year, so
it's like, Okay, this is not

1987
02:09:46.880 --> 02:09:50.279
gonna be here. I'm gonna try
and make the most of it until like

1988
02:09:50.399 --> 02:09:54.760
time. But yeah, my my
weekd at cs CFF has been like a

1989
02:09:54.880 --> 02:09:58.479
bit rockie at best. How How
long is that flight? Eleven hours?

1990
02:10:00.279 --> 02:10:03.000
So I basically spent like in total
because like from the airport, I just

1991
02:10:03.199 --> 02:10:05.479
like went to the area, and
it took a shower, and I was

1992
02:10:05.520 --> 02:10:09.800
like I had plans, like a
schedule already. So I spent like into

1993
02:10:09.000 --> 02:10:13.520
like over forty hours without sleep,
and I was like karaoke last night.

1994
02:10:13.600 --> 02:10:16.760
I was just like I was a
song, but basically I saw my songs

1995
02:10:16.760 --> 02:10:20.560
and then when the fuck, I
did what I had to do, and

1996
02:10:20.640 --> 02:10:26.079
then I just went to sleep.
What did you say? Uh A Spaceman

1997
02:10:26.640 --> 02:10:31.640
by the Killers? Uh, it's
now by recorders. And then we saw

1998
02:10:31.560 --> 02:10:35.479
the Edge Rother song, you know, like I really want to Stay at

1999
02:10:35.520 --> 02:10:39.520
your house? Love that song.
Yeah, thankfully the karaoke machine had like

2000
02:10:39.800 --> 02:10:43.279
you know, if they didn't have
your song, you could just like look

2001
02:10:43.319 --> 02:10:46.000
it up on YouTube, like it
was, yeah, you didn't have the

2002
02:10:46.119 --> 02:10:50.159
lyrics like we did freaking Friday,
and it's like we didn't have the lyrics

2003
02:10:50.199 --> 02:10:50.720
for it. So it was just
like, Okay, we're just gonna like

2004
02:10:50.760 --> 02:10:54.640
wait for a chorus to like sing
that, and it's just like dance.

2005
02:10:54.680 --> 02:10:56.279
It's good. Whenevere understands. We're
just waiting for the churuse YEA. Yeah,

2006
02:10:58.279 --> 02:11:01.039
it was already at that point in
the night, like folks were a

2007
02:11:01.319 --> 02:11:03.880
kind of wrong. So he said, like folks aware that paying that much

2008
02:11:03.920 --> 02:11:07.680
attention, you know. So,
yeah, Peter, how about you?

2009
02:11:07.800 --> 02:11:09.359
You out here for are you normally
out in LA or what? I'm from

2010
02:11:09.359 --> 02:11:13.000
Illinois. It's my first summer game
festa. If those feel like this is

2011
02:11:13.039 --> 02:11:16.279
for a lot of people, is
their first one? Like it actually is

2012
02:11:16.359 --> 02:11:18.760
worth it? Yeah? Well yeah, say, yeah, it's great.

2013
02:11:18.000 --> 02:11:20.800
I'm having a great time just soaking
it all in. Yeah, it's been

2014
02:11:22.039 --> 02:11:24.760
Did you go to the show itself? Yeah, yeah, it's fun,

2015
02:11:24.880 --> 02:11:26.359
you know, watching stuff like this
is like, here's what I get to

2016
02:11:26.720 --> 02:11:30.239
make videos about for the rest of
the year, you know what I mean?

2017
02:11:30.319 --> 02:11:31.760
Yeah, totally, But no,
it's great just soaking it all in

2018
02:11:31.880 --> 02:11:35.720
me and everyone's great. Yeah.
Is it like like at the event itself,

2019
02:11:35.800 --> 02:11:37.720
was it easy to like go up
and say hi to people? Are

2020
02:11:37.760 --> 02:11:41.279
you kind of rushing in rushing out? Yeah? I mean I think most

2021
02:11:41.319 --> 02:11:45.600
people that I've met are pretty open
to just say hey, I'm Peter,

2022
02:11:45.680 --> 02:11:48.720
I know you on Twitter or whatever, you know. Yeah, I mean

2023
02:11:48.760 --> 02:11:50.760
I met the ash as we were
walking out, like, hey, I'm

2024
02:11:50.760 --> 02:11:54.479
a big fan. But yeah,
so so, I mean, I think

2025
02:11:54.479 --> 02:11:56.159
most people are pretty approachable and it's
not so bad. Yeah, excellent.

2026
02:11:56.199 --> 02:12:00.520
I think it's very interesting because I
will never get used to this. Also

2027
02:12:00.520 --> 02:12:03.720
because it really happens. I was
walking with my pals like in the parking

2028
02:12:03.800 --> 02:12:05.840
lot and then this guy in the
cars like Boebe Are you a joying from

2029
02:12:05.880 --> 02:12:09.399
Game Explain? Just like that never
happens. You know who I am?

2030
02:12:11.159 --> 02:12:13.239
It's so straight. Yeah, where
are you from? Like in your sacremento,

2031
02:12:13.560 --> 02:12:16.960
So it's it's I'm in the state, but it's still like a six

2032
02:12:16.039 --> 02:12:18.680
hour d right, but like back
home and Sacramento. That's like people aren't

2033
02:12:18.680 --> 02:12:22.800
recognizably ever happened. It's actually happened
before I was on Game Explain because I

2034
02:12:22.880 --> 02:12:26.920
was on other stuff before Game Explained. So yeah, it's happened less.

2035
02:12:26.000 --> 02:12:31.079
It's weird. Yeah, how many
people walk up to you and recognize you

2036
02:12:31.159 --> 02:12:35.880
in Ohio? Jeff, I think
it's happened like twice, and one time

2037
02:12:35.920 --> 02:12:37.720
it was at like a video game
bar sixteen bit bar. So is this

2038
02:12:37.800 --> 02:12:45.800
sixteen bit in in the Valley by
Akron in that sixteen bit Oh No,

2039
02:12:45.920 --> 02:12:48.760
isn't like Cleveland? Yes? Yeah. So this is the Ohio portion of

2040
02:12:48.800 --> 02:12:52.279
the show where Jeff and I talk
about the fact that we live in Northeast

2041
02:12:52.319 --> 02:12:56.279
Ohio. Yeah very much, Yeah, pretty much. So. Yeah,

2042
02:12:56.399 --> 02:12:58.479
I've been to that sixteen Bit bar. It's actually took it was a good

2043
02:12:58.479 --> 02:13:00.159
time. It's like one of the
first places I went when I move here.

2044
02:13:00.159 --> 02:13:01.560
I've been back a couple of times
a lot. I'm still surprised it's

2045
02:13:01.600 --> 02:13:03.880
still open. Yeah, me too. I'm always surprised why I see an

2046
02:13:03.920 --> 02:13:07.319
arcade. It's like the you know, you pay you don't pay to get

2047
02:13:07.399 --> 02:13:09.760
him, right, No, no, yeah, you'd pay for the drinks.

2048
02:13:09.800 --> 02:13:11.640
There are a lot of other board
game bars or barcades or whatever where

2049
02:13:11.640 --> 02:13:15.239
you have to pay for like the
actual games, but sixteen Bit is one

2050
02:13:15.279 --> 02:13:16.439
of those places where you do not
have to pay for that all you just

2051
02:13:16.439 --> 02:13:20.000
pay for your ug. I mean
that means the X machine machine. It's

2052
02:13:20.000 --> 02:13:22.800
gonna have like a terrible CRT monitor
in it. That's broke into hell.

2053
02:13:22.880 --> 02:13:24.479
But you know, the last time
I was there, like all the games

2054
02:13:24.520 --> 02:13:28.159
worked really well. The thing that
obsessed me the most is that we have

2055
02:13:28.199 --> 02:13:30.880
a board game bar close to where
I live in Akron, and they have

2056
02:13:31.000 --> 02:13:33.840
a Burger time Machine and it was
me and my husband's it was like our

2057
02:13:33.960 --> 02:13:37.600
favorite game, Like we love Burger
time, and then the cabinet doesn't work

2058
02:13:37.600 --> 02:13:41.279
anymore. So it's like devastating now
when we go out because we don't have,

2059
02:13:41.399 --> 02:13:43.840
like we don't have a good way
to play Burger time anymore. It's

2060
02:13:43.880 --> 02:13:46.479
like they must just have like a
guy that comes and fixes it. And

2061
02:13:46.600 --> 02:13:50.279
if they don't, then they don't, right. I don't think they don't

2062
02:13:50.319 --> 02:13:52.920
care about it. They just don't
care. I'm sorry. Yeah, I

2063
02:13:52.920 --> 02:13:58.720
don't know. And that concludes the
Ohio portion. Love Akron. I like

2064
02:13:58.800 --> 02:14:00.960
it a lot more than here,
which is to say it because you know

2065
02:14:01.159 --> 02:14:03.079
it's La, but I don't know. I don't think a lot of people

2066
02:14:03.079 --> 02:14:05.800
are gonna be like, well,
LA is great. Everyone everyone understands what

2067
02:14:07.760 --> 02:14:11.960
what Nikki literally walks fast when I
said that, Yeah, the worst first

2068
02:14:11.000 --> 02:14:13.800
thing to walk fast. I like
LA. I do. I'm from the

2069
02:14:13.840 --> 02:14:18.920
Midwest, so like when it takes
me twenty minutes to get anywhere I'm going,

2070
02:14:18.039 --> 02:14:22.359
like thirty miles, but going you
know, twenty minutes in LA,

2071
02:14:22.600 --> 02:14:26.199
it's like maybe too much, Yeah, too much, and it's terrible.

2072
02:14:26.479 --> 02:14:28.359
I'm not used to that at all. I guess that is the key,

2073
02:14:28.479 --> 02:14:31.039
like to enjoy in LA's like makee
make sure you're not going very far.

2074
02:14:31.199 --> 02:14:33.880
Yeah, pretty much the old stuff
in the same area as it's a pain.

2075
02:14:35.000 --> 02:14:37.880
Yes, it's a pain for sure. I don't know how Summer game

2076
02:14:37.920 --> 02:14:41.680
has been going for you. It
just started so going. I've never been

2077
02:14:41.720 --> 02:14:46.640
to the actual like uh keyoe yet. No, no, no, I've

2078
02:14:46.640 --> 02:14:48.560
been to Play Days, but I'm
not like the actual like presentation itself.

2079
02:14:50.920 --> 02:14:54.520
That was interesting. That was interesting, We'll say that. But I'm more

2080
02:14:54.600 --> 02:14:58.439
looking forward to Play Days and getting
my hands on like the Day of the

2081
02:14:58.520 --> 02:15:01.399
Dev games and things like that,
because that was like the most exciting part

2082
02:15:01.439 --> 02:15:05.159
of like the keynote today is like
seeing all the indie games from Day of

2083
02:15:05.199 --> 02:15:07.239
the devs and I'm really excited to
actually play them when we get to Play

2084
02:15:07.279 --> 02:15:13.920
Days tomorrow. So you write for
the Verge Dual Shockers, right, do

2085
02:15:13.960 --> 02:15:16.800
you go your freelance freelancer? Yeah, and and game explained, Okay,

2086
02:15:16.800 --> 02:15:20.560
so we got to and then and
then you and then I just say other

2087
02:15:20.600 --> 02:15:26.159
people's work. That sounds nice.
City are you kidding me? How are

2088
02:15:26.159 --> 02:15:30.560
you'all feeling about covering games right now? We'll see It's been a while since

2089
02:15:30.560 --> 02:15:35.079
I've done this, Like like the
last e three I went to was twenty

2090
02:15:35.159 --> 02:15:37.920
eighteen, so it's been quite a
few years. So I don't know what

2091
02:15:37.039 --> 02:15:41.000
to expect, to be honest,
And you know, the venue is a

2092
02:15:41.039 --> 02:15:43.359
lot different than the LA conventions,
but even just like generally like across like

2093
02:15:43.560 --> 02:15:48.560
just covering games as a job in
general. Okay, it's fine. I

2094
02:15:48.600 --> 02:15:52.319
don't have many strokes because game explained. We're just restricted mainly to like Nintendo,

2095
02:15:52.760 --> 02:15:56.479
which is just kind of like it's
about to pick up because it's like

2096
02:15:56.560 --> 02:16:01.720
its own ecosystem, right, ecosystem. Also, so we're Nintendo and Sonic

2097
02:16:01.840 --> 02:16:03.399
is basically what our audience likes,
the two food groups. Yeah, yes,

2098
02:16:03.600 --> 02:16:07.119
exactly. So it's been a lot
of like coming up with original ideas,

2099
02:16:07.199 --> 02:16:09.399
like not really covering news, but
like I just came out of a

2100
02:16:09.399 --> 02:16:16.079
few features talking about how like realistic
graphics are killing gaming or whatnot. It's

2101
02:16:16.079 --> 02:16:20.359
a little bit of a generalization,
but basically stuff like that essentially coming up

2102
02:16:20.399 --> 02:16:22.960
with is it like is that what
works on YouTube? Like making sure that

2103
02:16:24.000 --> 02:16:26.840
you have a strong like thesis and
then kind of get people in and then

2104
02:16:26.880 --> 02:16:30.119
having a conversation about it. It's
been working for us lately, especially because

2105
02:16:30.159 --> 02:16:31.879
the news on the Nintendo side of
things is really slow, right, so

2106
02:16:31.959 --> 02:16:35.280
we kind of make some I've been
making a little bit of retrospective features on

2107
02:16:35.680 --> 02:16:41.680
especially that Iwata interview that was recently
uncovered like from twenty years ago. So

2108
02:16:41.840 --> 02:16:45.680
yeah, yeah, how about you
diego for freelance? What's it been like

2109
02:16:45.680 --> 02:16:46.879
You've been doing it for a while, right, Yeah, it's been like

2110
02:16:48.680 --> 02:16:52.200
almost a decase. You started like
writing on together over seven years, started

2111
02:16:52.280 --> 02:16:58.440
like doing it for like international sites. Basically it's been an experienced you know,

2112
02:16:58.799 --> 02:17:01.920
like this is like a Rockie year. I would say, really,

2113
02:17:03.200 --> 02:17:05.719
like you know, likely and this
comes from someone that has the experience and

2114
02:17:05.840 --> 02:17:09.360
like the quote unquote contacts to be
like Okay, I know who to reach

2115
02:17:09.440 --> 02:17:13.959
out to, even if like budgets
are like getting thinner and stuff like that,

2116
02:17:15.440 --> 02:17:16.600
or like you know, people are
getting laid off and it's like,

2117
02:17:16.639 --> 02:17:18.959
oh yeah, I have like this. I've been working with this ad for

2118
02:17:20.040 --> 02:17:22.120
like a couple of years now,
and all of a sudden it's like,

2119
02:17:22.200 --> 02:17:24.879
yeah, I lost my job today. It's like okay, yeah, we

2120
02:17:24.000 --> 02:17:28.440
gotta like figure it out, like
for you and for everybody else. Yeah,

2121
02:17:28.239 --> 02:17:31.959
losing people, losing like diverse voices
is something that I've been I keep

2122
02:17:33.040 --> 02:17:37.280
seeing like over and over again.
But yeah, I mean it's just I

2123
02:17:37.360 --> 02:17:41.600
think it's the kind of thing of
like I'm in touch with like a lot

2124
02:17:41.639 --> 02:17:45.719
of like new writers, and I
always say, like, hey, if

2125
02:17:45.760 --> 02:17:48.200
you have like something to share,
like a story to the like, there

2126
02:17:48.239 --> 02:17:52.440
are places to do that, thankfully. Still ah, but I wouldn't recommend

2127
02:17:52.440 --> 02:17:54.520
anybody to like drop the other day
show at this time, you know,

2128
02:17:54.680 --> 02:17:58.000
at this morning in time, and
like pursue of freelancing full time if you're

2129
02:17:58.079 --> 02:18:03.680
only starting out and I only like
trying to like reach out to people for

2130
02:18:03.719 --> 02:18:05.799
the first time, what kind of
like pictures work for you? You are

2131
02:18:05.799 --> 02:18:09.680
you, You're you're pitching like like
English like u of sites and things like

2132
02:18:09.719 --> 02:18:13.799
that, and you're like from a
perspective of I am from a different different

2133
02:18:13.840 --> 02:18:16.639
country or do they just want like
generalized writing from you. I think like

2134
02:18:18.040 --> 02:18:20.040
that was like a worry I had. I've had a couple of experiences of

2135
02:18:20.200 --> 02:18:24.879
like at ors being like no one
shall we be named uh eights and we're

2136
02:18:24.959 --> 02:18:28.399
like, hey, like we're only
interestedly like pictures from you there about urgent

2137
02:18:28.440 --> 02:18:31.799
teens, right, And I'm like, yeah, okay, that's fine,

2138
02:18:31.879 --> 02:18:35.680
Like I like trying to like like
find these stuff like for example, the

2139
02:18:35.239 --> 02:18:39.559
Menosa level in Human three. That
was like something that I was trying to

2140
02:18:39.680 --> 02:18:43.399
talk to io. Uh. And
I did like this ESI for Pollion that

2141
02:18:43.399 --> 02:18:46.559
I really enjoy and I look back
to like after all these years. But

2142
02:18:46.600 --> 02:18:50.479
at the same time, it's like
I went to like tell big stories or

2143
02:18:50.520 --> 02:18:54.479
like tell different stories for like other
cultures, like other places are like uh,

2144
02:18:54.760 --> 02:18:58.959
industry things just like sharing a stuff. I think that reporting something that's

2145
02:19:00.239 --> 02:19:03.319
been hardly tulan lately. So it's
been like mostly like just like guides and

2146
02:19:03.399 --> 02:19:09.799
reviews and like open stuff like that. Yeah, I think I really enjoyed

2147
02:19:09.840 --> 02:19:11.760
doing like long form reporting for example, but it's something that I can only

2148
02:19:11.840 --> 02:19:15.959
do like a couple of times a
year now, especially because like it takes

2149
02:19:16.000 --> 02:19:18.799
time, like it takes time time
three or four months. Uh. Yeah,

2150
02:19:18.920 --> 02:19:24.000
it's like more elabrary than here that
I review for example. Yep,

2151
02:19:24.239 --> 02:19:30.079
totally. How about you, Peter, I'm pretty green to like writing,

2152
02:19:30.239 --> 02:19:33.000
like to working in games in general. This is like my first year of

2153
02:19:33.079 --> 02:19:35.760
having like a not being a freelancer
as a freelancer for a long time.

2154
02:19:37.959 --> 02:19:41.319
You know. It is interesting you
mentioned about like would you recommend it like

2155
02:19:41.600 --> 02:19:43.520
like writing about games to other people, and like it is challenging, right,

2156
02:19:46.879 --> 02:19:50.639
because it's it's tricky, you know, with with the industry being how

2157
02:19:50.719 --> 02:19:54.200
it is, and like not only
just like the games industry being how it

2158
02:19:54.280 --> 02:19:58.840
is, but like the games media
media industry specifically. It's challenging. But

2159
02:20:00.399 --> 02:20:03.159
I think that like what I have
worked really hard at is like convincing our

2160
02:20:03.159 --> 02:20:07.680
parent company, like, Okay,
we are going to have voices and we're

2161
02:20:07.719 --> 02:20:11.879
gonna make these videos that have like
points to them. I'm not saying that

2162
02:20:11.000 --> 02:20:13.959
like there's no value in top ten
lists and stuff like that, because that's

2163
02:20:13.959 --> 02:20:18.159
what we were doing before, but
like it basically starting in January, I

2164
02:20:18.159 --> 02:20:20.159
said, like, I think here's
the plan. Let's let's have voices for

2165
02:20:20.319 --> 02:20:24.920
this YouTube channel and for like the
video section of this site. And getting

2166
02:20:24.959 --> 02:20:28.719
them on board with that took a
minute, and then figuring out how to

2167
02:20:28.760 --> 02:20:35.159
get people on YouTube to watch that
also takes a minute. But like it

2168
02:20:35.319 --> 02:20:39.159
is interesting and it's stressful because having
to say, like here's the plan is

2169
02:20:39.239 --> 02:20:43.000
always kind of tricky, especially when
there's like people like riding on it,

2170
02:20:43.040 --> 02:20:43.559
you know what I mean. And
it's sort of like depending on it,

2171
02:20:45.959 --> 02:20:48.360
but it's going well. We're working
on figuring all that sort of stuff out

2172
02:20:48.360 --> 02:20:54.639
though, so it's not so bad. How about you ash Just basically to

2173
02:20:54.719 --> 02:20:58.040
everyone's point about it being tricky,
I will say, if you're thinking about

2174
02:20:58.079 --> 02:21:03.239
getting into this business and you look
at everything and it looks a bit dire,

2175
02:21:03.840 --> 02:21:07.799
it is. But I will say
that if you have a good voice,

2176
02:21:09.040 --> 02:21:13.040
if you're very in tune with your
voice, if you know, if

2177
02:21:13.079 --> 02:21:16.280
you're about what you're writing, if
you're very good at what you do at

2178
02:21:16.360 --> 02:21:18.719
writing, it doesn't matter, like
if you haven't pitched the big places or

2179
02:21:18.760 --> 02:21:22.959
anything like that, it doesn't matter
if nobody is like paying for your stories

2180
02:21:22.040 --> 02:21:26.000
or anything like that. As long
as you can get your words on the

2181
02:21:26.040 --> 02:21:30.159
paper in a voice that you are
satisfied and happy with that makes you feel

2182
02:21:30.200 --> 02:21:33.920
good as a person, as a
content creator or whatever, that's all that

2183
02:21:33.040 --> 02:21:35.760
matters, because at the end of
the day, that's what people look for.

2184
02:21:37.000 --> 02:21:41.639
They want those unique, diverse voices
that shine out beyond like, oh,

2185
02:21:41.719 --> 02:21:43.079
here's your top ten or whatever,
And those things are important too.

2186
02:21:43.079 --> 02:21:46.280
You have to be able to write
that. But if you can do that

2187
02:21:46.440 --> 02:21:50.600
with a specific voice that is unique
versus you know, the kind of stuff

2188
02:21:50.600 --> 02:21:54.879
that you see out there that means
more than anything. So don't worry about

2189
02:21:54.920 --> 02:21:58.440
it if it's hard right there out
there, because I know, like our

2190
02:21:58.479 --> 02:22:01.879
baby writers are struggling right now.
But as long as you have that clear,

2191
02:22:01.959 --> 02:22:03.719
distinct voice, you'll be okay.
Right. It's also like, who

2192
02:22:03.799 --> 02:22:07.239
knows how you get this job anymore? It's different from when I get It's

2193
02:22:07.239 --> 02:22:09.680
all luck. Yeah, it's all
luck. Yeah, it really is.

2194
02:22:09.120 --> 02:22:13.680
That's all there is to it.
It is eighty percent you know, being

2195
02:22:13.719 --> 02:22:18.000
able to do yeah yeah, right
place, right time, and like ten

2196
02:22:18.079 --> 02:22:20.079
percent actual talent yeah yeah, and
a lot of people have that talent.

2197
02:22:20.159 --> 02:22:22.959
So I always feel bad. It's
like everyone works hard, everyone does the

2198
02:22:24.040 --> 02:22:26.079
work and yeah, and then it
breaks down to like where you are at

2199
02:22:26.079 --> 02:22:31.000
the right time, Alex, how
do you feel like about working voice acting?

2200
02:22:31.120 --> 02:22:33.959
What's that space right now? It
feels like everyone wants to get into

2201
02:22:35.040 --> 02:22:39.319
that does feel competitive? I mean
it's unbelievably competitive. It really really is

2202
02:22:39.440 --> 02:22:43.159
unbelievably competitive. It's it's become even
more so since the pandemic because so many

2203
02:22:43.200 --> 02:22:48.600
people bought microphones. Yeah before Micah, genuinely, yeah, so many people

2204
02:22:48.680 --> 02:22:56.520
bought microphones. It's incredible what a
small circle is like really like as I've

2205
02:22:56.600 --> 02:23:01.120
got more and more heavily into you
know, the circuit, as it were,

2206
02:23:01.840 --> 02:23:05.200
just the same faces everywhere, and
it's really it's really hard to crack.

2207
02:23:07.399 --> 02:23:09.159
But also it's a super interesting time
because you know, everything you guys

2208
02:23:09.200 --> 02:23:15.040
are saying right now as as an
outsource a job that is usually outsource.

2209
02:23:15.879 --> 02:23:20.360
Historically, as a voice actor,
you've been stood from the outside looking in,

2210
02:23:20.520 --> 02:23:24.280
going god, I wish I had
some job security. But right now

2211
02:23:24.399 --> 02:23:26.520
as a voice actor, it's a
weird feeling to go, god, I'm

2212
02:23:26.559 --> 02:23:33.559
glad I'm outsource because the industry that
the traditionally safe jobs you know, are

2213
02:23:33.600 --> 02:23:37.040
going through such a tough time that
actually it's mad. It's kind of been

2214
02:23:37.040 --> 02:23:41.479
flipped on its head, right.
You already have the skill sket stat required

2215
02:23:41.520 --> 02:23:43.319
to like out the job, right, and it's and it's just it's just

2216
02:23:43.479 --> 02:23:48.040
this this feeling of what you was
once upon a time, yeah, looking

2217
02:23:48.040 --> 02:23:50.399
from the outside and just kind of
going, yeah, I wish I could

2218
02:23:50.479 --> 02:23:56.399
do this every day. Now I'm
going I'm kind of in a strong position

2219
02:23:56.639 --> 02:23:58.959
with how up in the air everything
is in the industry. To be kind

2220
02:23:58.959 --> 02:24:01.319
of going from one job to the
next and to the next, and I'm

2221
02:24:01.360 --> 02:24:05.600
kind of just very grateful for that
right now, because it's a rare thing

2222
02:24:05.760 --> 02:24:09.159
right now in the industry to have
that feeling of almost security being a freelancer,

2223
02:24:09.159 --> 02:24:13.319
which is mad. That's normally the
opposite, and there are plenty of

2224
02:24:13.399 --> 02:24:16.680
jobs out there waiting for voice talent. Yeah, I mean, right now,

2225
02:24:16.840 --> 02:24:20.040
London is going through a really strong
time. There's so many great games

2226
02:24:20.079 --> 02:24:26.280
that have been made right London.
I mean, there's so many great studios,

2227
02:24:26.040 --> 02:24:31.719
outsource studios where we're recording. But
it is, I mean, the

2228
02:24:31.799 --> 02:24:35.280
writer's strike is I feel like there's
maybe going to be a slight knock on.

2229
02:24:35.479 --> 02:24:39.360
It had a knock on effect with
you know, TV and film and

2230
02:24:39.399 --> 02:24:43.000
everything, and maybe there'll be something
further down the pipeline that's going to come

2231
02:24:43.000 --> 02:24:46.120
in for the voice. But honestly, right I'm very lucky. I'm very

2232
02:24:46.159 --> 02:24:50.639
lucky right now. Since December,
I've been working on a few different games

2233
02:24:50.639 --> 02:24:54.600
and I've basically been eight nine hours
a day in a booth since December every

2234
02:24:54.680 --> 02:25:00.159
day of the week. Does that
feel like it's brilliant and it's amazing As

2235
02:25:00.159 --> 02:25:03.799
a freelancer it's like, this is
like, oh my god, I might

2236
02:25:03.959 --> 02:25:07.639
never have a moment like this in
my career again. Yeah, yeah,

2237
02:25:07.719 --> 02:25:11.239
genuinely, Yeah, it is.
I've had this conversation with the directors on

2238
02:25:11.280 --> 02:25:13.799
some of the games I've been on
this thing. This is unheard of.

2239
02:25:13.399 --> 02:25:18.120
But also at the same time,
I'm having moments where I've been saying I

2240
02:25:18.280 --> 02:25:22.200
kind of need to take a break
because my voice is just going right.

2241
02:25:22.479 --> 02:25:26.719
And for each of them individually,
they're like, well, no, because

2242
02:25:26.680 --> 02:25:31.239
for us, you're here for these
amount of hours and doesn't matter what you're

2243
02:25:31.239 --> 02:25:33.680
doing with those guys over there,
we need you to do these hours.

2244
02:25:35.559 --> 02:25:39.840
It's been amazing and it's been wonderful
and I'm extremely lucky and I'm extremely grateful.

2245
02:25:41.799 --> 02:25:43.520
But also at the same time,
there's only so many words you can

2246
02:25:43.600 --> 02:25:48.239
say a day, a week,
a month before words stop losing their meaning.

2247
02:25:48.520 --> 02:25:50.319
Yes, I believe it. You
were you mentioned like in London?

2248
02:25:50.440 --> 02:25:52.879
Is that? Like? Is that
how this works? Like there's like scenes

2249
02:25:54.319 --> 02:25:56.200
like and you have the connection to
London, so when a game's being made

2250
02:25:56.239 --> 02:26:00.559
there, you have the advantage to
maybe get that job. Yeah, I

2251
02:26:00.680 --> 02:26:03.280
mean it really depends. We've got
some We've just got some fantastic outsource studios.

2252
02:26:05.040 --> 02:26:11.000
We've got Side Molinaire PRL only K, like some really great studios and

2253
02:26:11.920 --> 02:26:16.239
studios you know, approach them,
and games developer studios approach them basically say

2254
02:26:16.280 --> 02:26:20.600
you know, we've got these these
characters in these roles. We audition through

2255
02:26:20.680 --> 02:26:24.520
this outsource company and then they outsource. It's multiple stages of sort of you

2256
02:26:24.559 --> 02:26:28.319
know, outsourcing. And yeah,
right, honestly, right now, it

2257
02:26:28.440 --> 02:26:33.399
feels like London is going through a
boom, like real boom, Like there's

2258
02:26:33.440 --> 02:26:37.239
a hub and there's a group of
like I, as a as a voice

2259
02:26:37.239 --> 02:26:43.760
actor, have always felt like I'm
constantly on the periphery of everyone else's work

2260
02:26:43.840 --> 02:26:46.360
environment. I'm sort of orbiting and
I'm kind of dropping into people's orbit and

2261
02:26:46.440 --> 02:26:50.040
then I exit and you kind of
move from one to the other. Right

2262
02:26:50.120 --> 02:26:54.280
now, there's like a there's a
boom where we have at Bafto every first

2263
02:26:54.319 --> 02:26:58.000
Friday of every month, we have
a video game social and anyone who worked

2264
02:26:58.000 --> 02:27:03.440
in video games in London is welcome
and you kind of rock up and there's

2265
02:27:03.479 --> 02:27:07.520
a real community that's coming together.
And it feels so crazy to say this

2266
02:27:07.639 --> 02:27:13.399
at a time when video games are
going through so much uncertainty, but I've

2267
02:27:13.559 --> 02:27:16.479
never felt like it's almost like it's
been made stronger by it because everyone is

2268
02:27:16.559 --> 02:27:20.680
seeking community, right, and everyone's
seeking each other's company and each other's conversation,

2269
02:27:22.159 --> 02:27:24.680
and it's brilliant. I'm loving that
side of it, absolutely loving it.

2270
02:27:24.840 --> 02:27:28.600
Yeah, And is it like,
do you think a lot more studios

2271
02:27:28.639 --> 02:27:31.600
from outside of that space are like, hey, they're doing good work in

2272
02:27:31.680 --> 02:27:35.360
London and they're like noticing Yeah,
one hundred percent, Like yeah, I

2273
02:27:35.479 --> 02:27:39.959
really do think. I mean,
it's one of Britain's main exports is actors,

2274
02:27:39.120 --> 02:27:41.959
right, It's TV and film.
It's not just you know, it's

2275
02:27:43.159 --> 02:27:46.639
entertainment in general. I mean goes
as far back as Shakespeare. It's one

2276
02:27:46.639 --> 02:27:50.520
of our things that we kind of
pride ourselves in going, Yeah, this

2277
02:27:50.719 --> 02:27:56.799
is part of the lifeblood of the
country is arts and entertainment. So yeah,

2278
02:27:56.840 --> 02:27:58.600
I honestly, I just think right
now there's some really great work and

2279
02:27:58.639 --> 02:28:03.479
I know so many great actors who
are really getting their time. I'm dear

2280
02:28:03.520 --> 02:28:09.159
friends with Ben Star. My god, that man shit for him. Yeah

2281
02:28:09.239 --> 02:28:11.200
you said it, I wanted to
say, of course. Yeah. I

2282
02:28:11.280 --> 02:28:13.479
mean, if I can say it, Ben's Star, you piece of shit.

2283
02:28:15.200 --> 02:28:16.559
Absolutely, dear friends of Ben Star, and I'm just like, you

2284
02:28:16.600 --> 02:28:20.280
know, this is a guy who
I'm so happy for. I'm proud of

2285
02:28:20.559 --> 02:28:24.959
this dude loves video games to his
core yep. And it couldn't happen to

2286
02:28:24.000 --> 02:28:28.319
a better person, right, who
just adores this medium and adores specifically the

2287
02:28:28.440 --> 02:28:33.479
video game that he's really been spearheading
later with fin of Fantasy. Yeah,

2288
02:28:33.520 --> 02:28:35.520
there's a really great group of people
working right now in London, Isn't that

2289
02:28:35.559 --> 02:28:39.920
what it seems like? Though?
It's like video games is a small enough

2290
02:28:39.000 --> 02:28:45.120
industry, small enough business that if
someone does come up and genuinely loves it

2291
02:28:45.479 --> 02:28:48.399
and is the star of a game, they can turn something that can turn

2292
02:28:48.440 --> 02:28:50.799
into something there is like a community
waiting to embrace them. Yeah, one

2293
02:28:50.840 --> 02:28:54.280
hundred percent. And also, what
I think is really really important that it's

2294
02:28:54.319 --> 02:28:58.680
happening right now is a lot of
studios are starting to understand the value of

2295
02:28:58.719 --> 02:29:01.879
their actors. Yeah. Historically,
a lot of the time you'd work on

2296
02:29:01.920 --> 02:29:07.079
a video game, and there've been
video games where I'm working on it at

2297
02:29:07.120 --> 02:29:09.520
the time and I'm not allowed to
still know what it is, right,

2298
02:29:09.639 --> 02:29:11.959
and you kind of kind of kept
it a bit of an arm's reach.

2299
02:29:11.159 --> 02:29:15.440
There's a bit of a fear of
what might the actors say, right and

2300
02:29:15.600 --> 02:29:18.719
now studios are starting to see with
Boulder's Gate and I'm fantasying things like that.

2301
02:29:18.840 --> 02:29:22.959
They're going, there's a value to
bringing your actors in bringing them in

2302
02:29:24.120 --> 02:29:26.719
Altars, which is this game I'm
doing at the moment where I play every

2303
02:29:26.760 --> 02:29:30.360
basically every character in the game that's
right now, which is this track because

2304
02:29:30.360 --> 02:29:31.840
they made it for me and I
was like, I'm going to wear this

2305
02:29:31.959 --> 02:29:35.200
track suit every day. They made
me this good luck and they they right

2306
02:29:35.280 --> 02:29:39.360
from the off, they were like, Okay, here's all the information you

2307
02:29:39.399 --> 02:29:41.799
could possibly need to know about the
game. Here's everything. And I basically

2308
02:29:41.840 --> 02:29:45.040
said, can I talk about this? And they've gone, yes, please

2309
02:29:45.159 --> 02:29:50.520
do and they just get it and
they really really understand the power of bringing

2310
02:29:50.559 --> 02:29:54.479
your actors in and the way that
historically traditional media has utilized actors and video

2311
02:29:54.520 --> 02:29:58.079
games have kind of not necessarily done
so much. So right now, as

2312
02:29:58.120 --> 02:30:01.360
I say, in London, there's
a group of actors who are done fun

2313
02:30:01.399 --> 02:30:05.440
in front of Sea and done Boulders
game, and they've been allowed to go

2314
02:30:05.639 --> 02:30:09.200
forward and really spread the word of
the game and show their love of the

2315
02:30:09.239 --> 02:30:11.799
game. And I think it only
benefits the studios, it benefits the actors,

2316
02:30:11.879 --> 02:30:16.520
It benefits the industry as a whole
when people who love the thing they're

2317
02:30:16.559 --> 02:30:20.879
working on are allowed to talk about
how much they love the thing they're working

2318
02:30:20.920 --> 02:30:24.520
on. Right that doesn't make me
think though, for the rest of us

2319
02:30:24.559 --> 02:30:28.600
covering games, how do you feel
companies feel about us right now? Like,

2320
02:30:28.959 --> 02:30:31.719
yeah, you just kind of Yeah, it feels like it's maybe as

2321
02:30:31.799 --> 02:30:37.159
closed off as it's ever been.
Is that what you think, Yes,

2322
02:30:37.959 --> 02:30:41.680
they're gonna miss this when we're gone. Yeah, I know that's for sure.

2323
02:30:41.719 --> 02:30:45.879
It does feel like that too.
You saw everything that happened with Neil

2324
02:30:45.959 --> 02:30:50.840
Druckman and his last of US interview, how that went down, and you

2325
02:30:50.920 --> 02:30:54.120
know that was all through a pr
arm and you've got this like big you

2326
02:30:54.200 --> 02:30:56.959
know, kerfuffle about it, and
like, I wonder what that looks like

2327
02:30:58.079 --> 02:31:01.360
if Neil Druckman isn't Neil Druckman,
because you know, these are the people

2328
02:31:01.360 --> 02:31:03.559
who pay him, they sign his
checks, and he's like, I didn't

2329
02:31:03.559 --> 02:31:09.520
really say that, So you know, you imagine like someone who isn't of

2330
02:31:09.639 --> 02:31:11.680
that like big you know stature.
Can you know, go to their employer

2331
02:31:11.760 --> 02:31:16.239
and say like, ah, you're
kind of messing up what I said there,

2332
02:31:16.319 --> 02:31:18.959
So you had this big marketing beat
exactly me for that, I am

2333
02:31:20.000 --> 02:31:22.040
going to completely derail that because I
have the power to do that. How

2334
02:31:22.079 --> 02:31:24.879
many times has that happened before with
someone that wasn't able to make that exactly

2335
02:31:26.079 --> 02:31:28.879
Yeah, And it's like that can't
happen when we're making do with these interviews

2336
02:31:28.879 --> 02:31:31.079
because we have to represent what these
people are saying accurately. Right, Yeah,

2337
02:31:31.280 --> 02:31:35.239
it's difficult, you know. I
wish that, you know, the

2338
02:31:35.280 --> 02:31:41.040
bigger studios were more open about giving
access to people to like, you know,

2339
02:31:41.159 --> 02:31:43.319
tell the kind of stories that they
want to tell. You always have

2340
02:31:43.440 --> 02:31:46.479
to contend with the fact that you
know, we can't be told what it

2341
02:31:46.639 --> 02:31:50.079
is that you know, you want
to say, but you just kind of

2342
02:31:50.079 --> 02:31:52.760
hope it kind of gets out there. But for the most part, I

2343
02:31:52.760 --> 02:31:56.159
would say the relationship is still good. There there are people who are still

2344
02:31:56.280 --> 02:32:00.319
reaching out and you know, want
to get those stories out there and granting

2345
02:32:00.399 --> 02:32:03.959
us access to those kinds of like
big opportunities and things like that. So

2346
02:32:05.040 --> 02:32:07.559
it's not all bad. But you
know, just remember that we're here and

2347
02:32:07.680 --> 02:32:11.200
that we serve a purpose and you
know we're not. We're not at odds

2348
02:32:11.239 --> 02:32:13.879
with you. Yeah, we all
serve the same goal. Yeah we're not

2349
02:32:15.000 --> 02:32:18.680
like you know, we're also not
necessarily all like hand in hand doing your

2350
02:32:18.760 --> 02:32:20.600
job for you as marketing. But
it's like we're not standing in your way

2351
02:32:20.719 --> 02:32:24.559
either. It's not exact adversarial as
it could be, and it's like sometimes

2352
02:32:24.600 --> 02:32:28.159
there is, but like you,
that's to the benefit of everyone in the

2353
02:32:28.200 --> 02:32:31.479
long run. I believe it's definitely
not as adversarial as people like to think

2354
02:32:31.520 --> 02:32:33.920
it is. It's definitely not.
No, again, it's small industry.

2355
02:32:35.040 --> 02:32:37.920
It's very much I know all those
people that used to do my job and

2356
02:32:37.959 --> 02:32:41.280
now they're doing that job. So
I know you, yeah, exactly exactly.

2357
02:32:41.879 --> 02:32:43.520
How about you guys, You guys
feel on an island away from these

2358
02:32:43.520 --> 02:32:48.000
companies, disassociated what you know,
it's kind of interesting, like I don't

2359
02:32:48.040 --> 02:32:50.920
have much you compare it to,
but I don't do much like hard hitting

2360
02:32:52.120 --> 02:32:54.920
journalism, right, yeah, I
make stupid videos, sure you know what

2361
02:32:54.959 --> 02:32:58.959
I mean. So I reached out
to like, I mean a video by

2362
02:33:00.079 --> 02:33:01.879
the Underwear and Balder's Gate three.
So I reached out to Larry in and

2363
02:33:03.000 --> 02:33:09.360
I was like, I was like, I've got some questions. They said,

2364
02:33:09.399 --> 02:33:11.319
sure, send them over and I
said, here they are, and

2365
02:33:11.360 --> 02:33:15.120
they said we will not be answering
this question, which like I can kind

2366
02:33:15.120 --> 02:33:20.680
of understand, of course, but
it is like I'm not saying I was

2367
02:33:20.719 --> 02:33:24.520
surprised because I understand, like,
you know, it's they're not you know,

2368
02:33:24.600 --> 02:33:26.159
studio is always gonna be an open
book for everything. But it was

2369
02:33:26.319 --> 02:33:31.520
like, I don't know what this
if I got a response from you about

2370
02:33:31.280 --> 02:33:35.440
was going to really change in the
public eye for you guys, you know

2371
02:33:35.440 --> 02:33:39.319
what I mean, especially because they
have talked openly about similar topics with their

2372
02:33:39.360 --> 02:33:43.600
games and stuff like that. But
yeah, so like it's it's interesting like

2373
02:33:43.680 --> 02:33:46.360
hearing like that people say, you
know, studios are so closed off for

2374
02:33:46.520 --> 02:33:50.200
the more like hard hitting stuff because
then for me, I'm like, and

2375
02:33:50.239 --> 02:33:58.360
they don't even talk to me about
like they are just closed off in general.

2376
02:33:58.360 --> 02:34:01.040
I mean, I mean, Joe
you covering Ininendo, do we ever

2377
02:34:01.079 --> 02:34:05.159
get anything out of them? Really? Like we wait for them to republish

2378
02:34:05.159 --> 02:34:09.200
an older Wata interview, right,
yes, and then republishing it. It's

2379
02:34:09.399 --> 02:34:13.159
like it was it was Kikiso dot
net I believe dot com. I forgot

2380
02:34:13.200 --> 02:34:16.639
that website. But yeah, very
closed book those that company, like they

2381
02:34:16.680 --> 02:34:20.799
barely even contact us nowadays. Right, it's ridiculous. Yeah, So it's

2382
02:34:20.879 --> 02:34:22.559
like you kind of have to operate
on your own, right, Like just

2383
02:34:22.639 --> 02:34:26.079
like we're covering Nintendo, we still
got to do our job exactly. Nintendo's

2384
02:34:26.079 --> 02:34:28.959
not gonna be helping. So like
how does that like frame how you approach

2385
02:34:30.000 --> 02:34:33.360
your coverage. Well, that's coming
up with a lot of original content.

2386
02:34:33.479 --> 02:34:35.280
Like I was saying, you know, talking about that old a WATA interview

2387
02:34:35.639 --> 02:34:41.639
talking about Nintendo's like basically how Nintendo
predicted that, Hey, the stuff the

2388
02:34:41.719 --> 02:34:45.120
struggles that PlayStation and Xbox are facing, they saw that coming like yeah,

2389
02:34:45.159 --> 02:34:48.799
twenty years video. Yeah, it's
it's it's basically just like coming up with

2390
02:34:48.879 --> 02:34:52.799
your own ideas when you're basically not
getting anything from the companies themselves. Right

2391
02:34:54.360 --> 02:34:56.360
about you diego? Do you feel
like you have a connection with any of

2392
02:34:56.399 --> 02:35:01.319
these companies that you're able to like
get anything from them. I think it's

2393
02:35:01.440 --> 02:35:05.840
hard for like stuff as you folks
were saying, stuff like reporting for example,

2394
02:35:05.440 --> 02:35:11.040
like I'm friends with like a lot
like long time reporters that have been

2395
02:35:11.120 --> 02:35:13.760
doing this like for long than I
have, and it's like, yeah,

2396
02:35:13.840 --> 02:35:18.280
this kind of story of like I
know, there's like a lot of publishers

2397
02:35:18.360 --> 02:35:20.200
now like companies that are doing like
okay, we have like our own blog

2398
02:35:20.319 --> 02:35:26.120
with our own teams, like that's
all fair, fair game. But it's

2399
02:35:26.120 --> 02:35:28.079
also like yeah, if it's like
a lot of opportunities are going like in

2400
02:35:28.600 --> 02:35:33.360
like all insider the type thing,
and it's like yeah, it's handled like

2401
02:35:33.440 --> 02:35:37.159
internally, like you know, it
has like a specific vision, specific voice.

2402
02:35:37.959 --> 02:35:41.040
I feel like there's like opportunities are
really lost in terms of like doing

2403
02:35:41.120 --> 02:35:43.799
like I want to say, actual
reporting, because like you know, those

2404
02:35:43.840 --> 02:35:48.520
folks are sitting down doing interviews,
doing the work. But there's the difference

2405
02:35:48.559 --> 02:35:52.399
between like oh, yeah, yeah, we're presenting this amazing game that's gonna

2406
02:35:52.399 --> 02:35:56.120
come out in like November or something
like that, and you see that lead

2407
02:35:56.360 --> 02:35:58.719
and you're like, Okay, I
know how this piece is gonna like go

2408
02:36:00.120 --> 02:36:03.959
and like what kind of information I
may get from this? So and I

2409
02:36:03.000 --> 02:36:07.879
feel like those apport things like kind
of like twitching in and basically like for

2410
02:36:07.959 --> 02:36:13.319
big companies as a freelancer and just
like I'm doing, it's always being like

2411
02:36:13.399 --> 02:36:16.639
hey, if you have like a
comment for this before publication, like you

2412
02:36:16.719 --> 02:36:20.760
know, I'm available for that.
But it's mostly like if I want to

2413
02:36:20.840 --> 02:36:24.559
like get some information, it's just
like sources that work there like and left

2414
02:36:24.639 --> 02:36:31.159
for all shops like years ago.
Maybe you know, like NDA has happened

2415
02:36:31.239 --> 02:36:35.079
by that time. It's like you
can probably have like a candy conversation or

2416
02:36:35.079 --> 02:36:39.239
you know, just like anonymous stuff. Like some of the reports that I

2417
02:36:39.319 --> 02:36:45.000
have done didn't really come together until
like I had like one like super lucky

2418
02:36:45.120 --> 02:36:48.559
like anonymous interview. I was like, Okay, this is like what I

2419
02:36:48.639 --> 02:36:52.840
was missing for like this specific story. But yeah, it's hard. It's

2420
02:36:52.840 --> 02:36:56.280
also hard, like I don't have
like the cashier maybe of like being in

2421
02:36:56.360 --> 02:37:01.879
the US and like maybe being like
closer to like people, I like developers,

2422
02:37:01.920 --> 02:37:05.079
a like being closer to the events
to like you know, people might

2423
02:37:05.200 --> 02:37:09.680
recognize me like after a few years
or something like yeah, these can be

2424
02:37:09.760 --> 02:37:13.799
like a reliable journalist or something like
that to like bring us stories. Okay,

2425
02:37:13.879 --> 02:37:18.440
so it's like from a distance.
So it's just like dmming a lot

2426
02:37:18.479 --> 02:37:22.520
of people in Lincoln in like redeeming
the linked In premium trial and like trying

2427
02:37:22.559 --> 02:37:26.360
to make the most of it before
it ends or in a can. I

2428
02:37:26.360 --> 02:37:28.520
also say, like I feel like
it does a lot of studios kind of

2429
02:37:28.559 --> 02:37:33.639
a disservice as well being a little
closed off like that maybe Ash mentioned like

2430
02:37:33.719 --> 02:37:37.120
the Neil Drugman stuff. But we
just did a documentary about the making of

2431
02:37:37.280 --> 02:37:43.799
disney Ilusion Island, which, like
the like alat of the studios kind of

2432
02:37:43.840 --> 02:37:46.719
went through a lot to get that
game out. They had a deal with

2433
02:37:46.760 --> 02:37:50.280
Disney and then they got canceled and
then they had to scramble and whatever else.

2434
02:37:50.319 --> 02:37:52.600
And like hearing them sort of talk
kind of candidly about what it's like

2435
02:37:52.680 --> 02:37:58.159
to actually run a studio and like
when you're not a triple A studio,

2436
02:37:58.280 --> 02:38:01.200
Like I think like they teach people
a lot of stuff, you know what

2437
02:38:01.200 --> 02:38:03.559
I mean about like what goes into
getting games made. And I think that

2438
02:38:03.719 --> 02:38:07.959
a lot of people take that for
granted a little bit because there's always new

2439
02:38:07.000 --> 02:38:11.920
games, you know, but like
how much time went into a game to

2440
02:38:11.040 --> 02:38:16.760
come out, like in all of
the problems that they had to solve within

2441
02:38:16.920 --> 02:38:20.159
like not even within like the studio
itself, but like with publishers and IP

2442
02:38:20.399 --> 02:38:22.879
and whatever else. Like I think
when studios are able to actually talk about

2443
02:38:22.879 --> 02:38:26.639
that stuff. It makes everyone a
little bit more knowledgeable about what's actually going

2444
02:38:26.680 --> 02:38:31.399
on. You know. It also
feels like these companies are putting themselves in

2445
02:38:31.399 --> 02:38:33.639
a situation where you know, a
lot of people are playing a lot of

2446
02:38:33.680 --> 02:38:37.000
the same games over and over.
Yeah, and so they're becoming more insulated

2447
02:38:37.040 --> 02:38:41.440
into these communities. And then these
companies are and now we're going to have

2448
02:38:41.239 --> 02:38:45.200
new games, and we want to
control the message ourselves, and we want

2449
02:38:45.239 --> 02:38:46.120
to speak to these people. And
it's like, well, actually you've created

2450
02:38:46.159 --> 02:38:50.079
a situation where they're not listening because
they're just in their community for their game.

2451
02:38:50.559 --> 02:38:54.920
And there is maybe an argument for
like we might be able to break

2452
02:38:54.959 --> 02:38:58.200
into these these circles and have those
conversations with them a little bit more effectively

2453
02:38:58.239 --> 02:39:01.280
than these companies can. And because
they associate you with these one games,

2454
02:39:01.479 --> 02:39:05.760
maybe, but they're not They know
you're trying to sell them something, and

2455
02:39:05.840 --> 02:39:09.159
so they don't They just don't listen. And there is something about the discoverability

2456
02:39:09.159 --> 02:39:11.200
I think of maybe having a conversation
with us and letty us maybe tell those

2457
02:39:11.200 --> 02:39:13.280
stories. I think they are going
to like miss that in a couple of

2458
02:39:13.319 --> 02:39:20.639
years. Does that sound plausible.
It does. Yeah, yeah, it's

2459
02:39:20.719 --> 02:39:24.280
kind of it's kind of hard to
say, because you know, there's always

2460
02:39:24.319 --> 02:39:31.680
an influencer you can pay to do
that kind of sea where you But I

2461
02:39:31.799 --> 02:39:35.680
still think that the relationships that journalists
have with you know, the big publishing

2462
02:39:35.719 --> 02:39:39.040
houses is still healthy enough that you
know, we can continue to do our

2463
02:39:39.120 --> 02:39:43.280
job and service the kinds of communities
that we service the way that we do.

2464
02:39:43.639 --> 02:39:46.760
Yeah, for sure. It's it's
really interesting what you said about influences

2465
02:39:46.799 --> 02:39:52.079
then, because I think in an
age right now where people can sort of

2466
02:39:52.559 --> 02:39:58.000
creates an identity online and creates a
source of income through specifically being an influence

2467
02:39:58.079 --> 02:40:03.360
of a one game, and then
people who consume video games and enjoy video

2468
02:40:03.399 --> 02:40:05.840
games and play video games see that
continually, and they see these influencers who

2469
02:40:05.879 --> 02:40:13.120
are defined by their connection to one
game that trickles down to their enjoyment of

2470
02:40:13.280 --> 02:40:16.639
games as well. And I think
that's something that hasn't like, you know,

2471
02:40:16.040 --> 02:40:18.479
it's a new thing. It's a
really new thing. You know.

2472
02:40:18.639 --> 02:40:24.440
There's a game that I'm in that's
just come out called Wathering Waves, and

2473
02:40:24.559 --> 02:40:26.559
I'm seeing people who are going like
I am a Wathering Waves creator and the

2474
02:40:26.600 --> 02:40:31.840
game has just come out, so
they define themselves online by that. People

2475
02:40:31.959 --> 02:40:37.520
consume their content by them defining themselves
by that. So therefore they define the

2476
02:40:37.680 --> 02:40:41.360
way that they consume content online by
who they are following and how they define

2477
02:40:41.680 --> 02:40:45.239
and that does trickle down. And
it's so interesting, actually, I'd never

2478
02:40:45.280 --> 02:40:48.440
really kind of thought about that and
the impact that has when you have gaming

2479
02:40:48.520 --> 02:40:52.520
outlets and you know, they cover
multiple different games, like many different articles

2480
02:40:52.559 --> 02:40:56.360
a day, made different videos a
day, but the way the landscape is

2481
02:40:56.440 --> 02:40:58.440
kind of shifting and these kind of
you know, content creators who have to

2482
02:40:58.719 --> 02:41:03.680
in order to make a living,
solely define themselves by one game and one

2483
02:41:03.799 --> 02:41:07.200
niche Yes, that will trickle down
to the way people consume video games.

2484
02:41:07.319 --> 02:41:09.079
Yes, well yeah, it feels
like it has. Yeah, And it's

2485
02:41:09.239 --> 02:41:11.040
it's like when I think about that, I think, maybe, like the

2486
02:41:11.159 --> 02:41:15.760
job that I have at least is
like maybe like stir the pot a little

2487
02:41:15.760 --> 02:41:18.280
bit, just like throwing a little
bit of different expectations, Like people are

2488
02:41:18.319 --> 02:41:20.280
playing this one game. It's like, well, maybe what if you thought

2489
02:41:20.280 --> 02:41:22.559
about these other games just a little
bit here and there, And it doesn't

2490
02:41:22.879 --> 02:41:26.959
have much of an effect, But
it's like I'm not going to ever be

2491
02:41:26.040 --> 02:41:30.079
one to someone who can just play
one game and cover one game over and

2492
02:41:30.159 --> 02:41:33.040
over again. That's just not what
I got into this to do. And

2493
02:41:33.159 --> 02:41:35.760
so it's like, is there still
a space for that? Clearly there is,

2494
02:41:35.639 --> 02:41:41.159
but it is interesting to think about
how it feels like it's shifted over

2495
02:41:41.239 --> 02:41:43.280
to this other side of most people
just wanting to play the one game that

2496
02:41:43.280 --> 02:41:46.319
they're comfortable with. Right, Yeah, it's the algorithm as much. You

2497
02:41:46.479 --> 02:41:50.280
have to satisfy the algorithm. And
if the algorith you're starting to put stuff

2498
02:41:50.280 --> 02:41:54.000
out that is outside of what your
your own personal algorithm understands about your content,

2499
02:41:54.559 --> 02:41:58.600
and you start to see those numbers
drop, how do you respond to

2500
02:41:58.639 --> 02:42:01.159
that? You go go back to
the thing that keeps the algorithm happy.

2501
02:42:01.440 --> 02:42:07.040
Yeah, all right, if people
are wanting to become a voice actor,

2502
02:42:07.079 --> 02:42:09.040
what do you tell them when you
get that question? So? Okay,

2503
02:42:09.200 --> 02:42:15.239
yeah, interesting, because this is
a really really weird and hot time.

2504
02:42:15.440 --> 02:42:20.040
Is it be British? It's like
the number, yeah is be British,

2505
02:42:20.760 --> 02:42:26.840
live in London. Don't worry your
skill points. You can't. Yeah,

2506
02:42:26.840 --> 02:42:31.719
it's fine, you can. It's
do you know what? It's a really

2507
02:42:33.079 --> 02:42:39.000
really weird time to answer that question
because AI is breathing down our next right

2508
02:42:39.280 --> 02:42:43.680
now. And I think a lot
of voice actors are starting to understand right

2509
02:42:43.760 --> 02:42:46.600
now that if you're going to continue
to have a career in this industry,

2510
02:42:48.200 --> 02:42:50.959
you've got to You've got to be
offering something that AI can't, Okay,

2511
02:42:52.920 --> 02:42:58.319
And I think the one thing right
now that AI cannot provide that voice actors

2512
02:42:58.399 --> 02:43:01.920
can is a connection to a community
and is a love of the game and

2513
02:43:01.959 --> 02:43:05.239
a love of the job. Ay. I is never gonna love the job,

2514
02:43:05.440 --> 02:43:09.479
right, Ay, I doesn't give
a crap about the job right doesn't

2515
02:43:09.680 --> 02:43:13.600
have the ability to Now again,
just to represent then we find a fantasy.

2516
02:43:13.680 --> 02:43:18.040
People love to see the connection he
had to the video game. I

2517
02:43:18.120 --> 02:43:22.319
would say, genuinely care about it. I've done video games with people where

2518
02:43:22.399 --> 02:43:24.799
I was in a taxi one time
and I was saying to them in the

2519
02:43:24.879 --> 02:43:26.520
car, can't say what the game
is hasn't come out yet, I can't

2520
02:43:26.520 --> 02:43:30.079
talk about it. But I was
saying, I love this mechanic and this

2521
02:43:30.239 --> 02:43:31.840
mechanic, and isn't it really interesting
the way that this mechanic interacts with that

2522
02:43:31.920 --> 02:43:35.079
mechanic. I haven't seen that before
any game. I was in this taxi

2523
02:43:35.159 --> 02:43:39.280
and the two other people sat there
and they turn around and once I next

2524
02:43:39.280 --> 02:43:41.879
to me went, I don't play
video games. And she led over to

2525
02:43:41.920 --> 02:43:43.639
the guy in the front and went
do you play video games? And he

2526
02:43:43.639 --> 02:43:46.399
went, I don't play video games? And it was almost worn like a

2527
02:43:46.440 --> 02:43:52.200
badger pride. And I don't get
that, because like, would you ever

2528
02:43:52.360 --> 02:43:54.799
go and watch a film? And
Timothy Shallon May is like, I don't

2529
02:43:54.840 --> 02:43:56.719
watch films? Ye, do you
know what I mean? Like, oh

2530
02:43:56.959 --> 02:44:01.399
no, man, just love genuine, a genuine love and a passion for

2531
02:44:01.520 --> 02:44:05.200
it, because right now we're entering
the most cutthroat time for voice actors,

2532
02:44:05.239 --> 02:44:07.559
and if you don't actually care about
it and love it and love the medium

2533
02:44:07.600 --> 02:44:11.959
in which you're working, it's not
gonna happen. There's not gonna happen.

2534
02:44:11.000 --> 02:44:13.559
Yeah, something very like racid.
But like that's something that these companies can

2535
02:44:13.600 --> 02:44:16.879
trade on, like a person that
loves the game is something they can sell

2536
02:44:16.920 --> 02:44:22.920
to people exactly one hundred percent.
And also loving video games has done me

2537
02:44:22.280 --> 02:44:26.559
so well in my career because the
number of times I will be in a

2538
02:44:26.639 --> 02:44:31.200
studio with a developer, if you're
on the line or in person and we

2539
02:44:31.280 --> 02:44:35.680
can use shorthand in conversation because I
understand the mechanics. I understand gaming mechanics,

2540
02:44:35.719 --> 02:44:37.280
and I'm like, oh, okay, cool, I get it.

2541
02:44:37.280 --> 02:44:39.879
What you're trying to say is this
is this? And they go, yes,

2542
02:44:41.159 --> 02:44:43.840
okay, wonderful, amazing. We
don't have to sit here for ten

2543
02:44:43.840 --> 02:44:48.000
to fifteen minutes and kind of go
over the find details and the mechanics to

2544
02:44:48.040 --> 02:44:52.239
someone who so, yeah, play
video games, love video games. Adverts

2545
02:44:52.280 --> 02:44:56.319
and everything like that are disappear into
AI already. The thing that AI can't

2546
02:44:56.399 --> 02:45:01.159
do as well as actors right now
is first of all, performance and acting

2547
02:45:01.239 --> 02:45:03.399
in terms of emotion and being able
to change on a dime and deliver something

2548
02:45:03.440 --> 02:45:09.600
different and also just genuine passion for
what you're doing. Sounds good to me.

2549
02:45:09.680 --> 02:45:11.559
All right, that's gonna wrap up
this segment. Thanks everybody for watching

2550
02:45:11.639 --> 02:45:13.680
so far. We've got a couple
more left to go, so don't go

2551
02:45:13.799 --> 02:45:31.399
anywhere. We'll be right back right
after this. The Quiet Ralph Video Games

2552
02:45:31.440 --> 02:45:41.159
are calling. Sorry, Jeff Bove
Day one. We're in LA for Summer

2553
02:45:41.239 --> 02:45:43.440
Game Fest. We're having a good
time. We got another couch for you,

2554
02:45:43.600 --> 02:45:46.440
filled with all stars. Can't wait
to talk all these folks about maybe

2555
02:45:46.520 --> 02:45:50.639
video games. Who knows, We'll
see, uh. Starting with Lucy James,

2556
02:45:50.959 --> 02:45:54.000
Hi, how you doing too well? Who are you? Chael?

2557
02:45:54.239 --> 02:45:58.239
Jeffrey Michael Grab that's right, you
know Mike Manati whose name is Michael.

2558
02:45:58.440 --> 02:46:03.319
Never remember that my first my middle
name is Michael. Every time we asked

2559
02:46:03.319 --> 02:46:05.200
he never met a friend? Does
he say it he has to go blind?

2560
02:46:05.360 --> 02:46:09.879
Does he think it's Mitch? What
does he think it's Minch? Yeah?

2561
02:46:09.000 --> 02:46:11.559
Probably I think so. Tomorrow I
was saying, how you doing?

2562
02:46:13.239 --> 02:46:16.719
I'm doing great, Jeffrey Michael grob
How are you doing, Jeffrey Michael Grove,

2563
02:46:16.760 --> 02:46:20.600
I'm doing more? Every time you
saying all right, Ralph skill up?

2564
02:46:20.600 --> 02:46:24.120
How you doing? Jet lags?
Yeah, when you get in.

2565
02:46:24.319 --> 02:46:26.280
I got in on the Wednesday,
but it's still like a fifteen hours sure,

2566
02:46:26.399 --> 02:46:30.680
right, it's a long adapt adaptation
period. Yeah, it always kicks

2567
02:46:30.719 --> 02:46:33.079
Moss a little bit, but usually
by day three, I'm okay. But

2568
02:46:33.200 --> 02:46:37.879
this is just a little like you're
like gonna maybe wake up tomorrow be all

2569
02:46:37.959 --> 02:46:39.920
right. I'll be I'll be settled
in. But yeah, doing really well.

2570
02:46:39.120 --> 02:46:41.600
Jake Baldino, I love you.
I love you too. Man Wow,

2571
02:46:41.799 --> 02:46:46.239
I didn't get that. Ralph,
Who are you talking about? Who

2572
02:46:46.280 --> 02:46:48.719
did you say that to say his
name? His full name? Jeffrey Michael

2573
02:46:48.719 --> 02:46:54.559
g Yeah, AG JMG, that's
right. Yeah, it's actually that's why

2574
02:46:54.600 --> 02:46:56.479
I signed my checks. So I
was just gonna say that, and I

2575
02:46:56.600 --> 02:47:03.920
just did exactly. You sound like
an investment firm. Yeah, MG,

2576
02:47:03.719 --> 02:47:07.360
lawyers. We've been around since eighteen
seventy five, and you should definitely invest

2577
02:47:07.520 --> 02:47:15.239
that's not good, probably not good
to be around it. Well done questionable

2578
02:47:15.280 --> 02:47:18.799
things. Yeah, I just mostly
Yes, that's what we've invested in.

2579
02:47:20.600 --> 02:47:22.920
And we got Louis Salabi. Yeah. How you doing? I love Jeffrey

2580
02:47:22.920 --> 02:47:26.120
Michael gr Will. Yeah, what's
your middle name? Enrique? In Rique

2581
02:47:26.200 --> 02:47:30.600
Luis Riae living here in the city
of Angels enjoyed every minute of them.

2582
02:47:30.600 --> 02:47:31.760
I'm glad to hear that. And
Keith Mitchell, how about you? How

2583
02:47:31.799 --> 02:47:35.799
you doing? I'm doing good,
jeff grow We got one of the couch

2584
02:47:37.280 --> 02:47:41.520
fantastic. I'm feeling very good about
it. How's everyone doing? Everyone?

2585
02:47:41.680 --> 02:47:43.920
Like we know, Ralph, you're
jet lagged, you know, you just

2586
02:47:45.040 --> 02:47:46.719
keep drinking, You'll be all right. That'll help you. Yes, absolutely,

2587
02:47:46.840 --> 02:47:48.399
Jake, how about you? How
you doing? I only had French

2588
02:47:48.399 --> 02:47:52.600
fries to eat today multiple times.
I didn't just need a couple. It

2589
02:47:52.680 --> 02:47:54.639
was like wait, wait, it
was like a breakfast then a so you've

2590
02:47:54.639 --> 02:47:58.399
had multiple meals, but each time
they were just French fries. You ordered

2591
02:47:58.559 --> 02:48:01.159
just French fries. Now you know
when you're busy, Yeah, people just

2592
02:48:01.200 --> 02:48:03.280
hand you, just hand you things. At these events. You're like,

2593
02:48:03.399 --> 02:48:07.399
oh I found this, You're like, thank you. That's what you can

2594
02:48:07.399 --> 02:48:09.239
do. Will bring you French fries
with that how it worked? No,

2595
02:48:09.360 --> 02:48:11.040
what do I look like? Don't
imply? And people bring me French?

2596
02:48:11.280 --> 02:48:16.799
People bring in my own friends,
real French where I brought mother? He

2597
02:48:16.879 --> 02:48:22.280
snapped his fingers and French friend were
a my fries. Yeah, yeah,

2598
02:48:22.319 --> 02:48:24.799
no, I'm good, thanks for
asking. We got pizza, like we

2599
02:48:24.920 --> 02:48:31.440
have food, pizza, Yeah,
New York pizza. He did. Pizza

2600
02:48:31.479 --> 02:48:33.159
came. The first thing he said
was where's it from? And then we

2601
02:48:33.239 --> 02:48:35.879
said it and he went, hell, yeah, where do you want it

2602
02:48:35.920 --> 02:48:39.959
to be from? From? Where
do you think pizza? Little Caesars?

2603
02:48:39.719 --> 02:48:43.559
I don't know, just like the
general New York area. My whole identity.

2604
02:48:46.479 --> 02:48:58.760
I'm more than just waiting. Were
waving to waving goodbye. He's got

2605
02:48:58.799 --> 02:49:01.120
good opinions about red Dedward and too
about lots of things. Yeah, many

2606
02:49:01.159 --> 02:49:07.079
things. Yeah, yeah he does. Enjoying your time yeah yeah, yeah,

2607
02:49:07.479 --> 02:49:11.120
finding people? Yeah you were you
at the show today? Yeah?

2608
02:49:11.479 --> 02:49:16.559
And was it like good time hanging
out there? Sure? Oh yeah microphone?

2609
02:49:16.799 --> 02:49:18.440
Ye there you go. Panes on
the first half or enjoyed the first

2610
02:49:18.479 --> 02:49:20.879
half and pans on the second half. Yeah, I mean it's slowed down.

2611
02:49:20.959 --> 02:49:24.799
I mean it is what it is. Yeah. If I weren't his

2612
02:49:24.879 --> 02:49:26.799
shoes, I bet, I bet
I would not be able to put together

2613
02:49:26.840 --> 02:49:28.239
a better show than he did,
for sure. Shout out in the indie

2614
02:49:28.280 --> 02:49:31.840
games, Love the India game,
love the shout out there. Happy to

2615
02:49:31.920 --> 02:49:35.879
see people get get the small light
pretty much for real. But you,

2616
02:49:35.000 --> 02:49:37.639
Keith, is it good time out
of here seeing the games? Actually?

2617
02:49:37.920 --> 02:49:41.840
This was amazing for me. Always
there, I'm watching it and now seeing

2618
02:49:41.879 --> 02:49:43.680
the games in front of me,
it is like, this was great.

2619
02:49:43.719 --> 02:49:46.920
I loved it. Dude. Do
you feel like you're like you actually are

2620
02:49:46.000 --> 02:49:48.280
like a part of it now that
you're here in personal like making it happen.

2621
02:49:48.559 --> 02:49:52.840
Yes, definitely a lot more than
sitting at home with my friends.

2622
02:49:52.040 --> 02:49:54.959
So I missed that we sit around
when we talk about the games discord,

2623
02:49:56.079 --> 02:49:58.479
all right, which game you like? Which game is terrible? How the

2624
02:49:58.520 --> 02:50:01.680
show go get into arguments things like
that. It's always a lot of fun.

2625
02:50:01.920 --> 02:50:03.280
Yeah, so when you when you
go home, it's gonna be like,

2626
02:50:03.520 --> 02:50:05.600
oh I saw these games. You're
gonna bring that back to like your

2627
02:50:05.680 --> 02:50:09.399
your shows and stuff like that,
or how's it gonna go. Well,

2628
02:50:09.479 --> 02:50:11.360
it's gonna be a lot of me
fan blay and go wow, I will

2629
02:50:11.360 --> 02:50:13.399
still here. I was placed.
And then it's gonna be always gonna hit

2630
02:50:13.440 --> 02:50:16.440
me and go all right, well
we saw these games. When the hell

2631
02:50:16.520 --> 02:50:20.079
these games will come out? When
please game? Yeah? For real?

2632
02:50:20.120 --> 02:50:26.120
Anything stand out to you guys?
All Rangers come on in? Actually yes

2633
02:50:28.680 --> 02:50:31.440
kicked in. I was like,
am I really remember? This is because

2634
02:50:31.520 --> 02:50:35.120
where all X Men ninety sevens right
now? And also Shredders are revenge fast?

2635
02:50:35.200 --> 02:50:39.159
Yeah? Yeah, it's definitely channeling
a lot of that. I'm so

2636
02:50:39.399 --> 02:50:43.120
yeah. It looks about equivalent beat
them upstid go away for a while there,

2637
02:50:43.159 --> 02:50:46.600
and it was like there's no good
reason. They just like we can't

2638
02:50:46.600 --> 02:50:50.360
try any harder than they say we
are sold bad. People just started playing

2639
02:50:50.159 --> 02:50:54.120
like where's my oh he's not here
anymore, right, Yeah, you're right

2640
02:50:54.280 --> 02:50:56.799
went online that kind of like definitely
like disconnected people and that that's not just

2641
02:50:56.879 --> 02:51:01.280
fun offline or online, and it
totally he is like offline off line is

2642
02:51:01.319 --> 02:51:05.559
so much better because you're playing for
friend and you can hit them or not

2643
02:51:05.680 --> 02:51:16.520
the control or love that. Yeah, I thought that would good. Anything

2644
02:51:16.559 --> 02:51:20.680
else? Was it? Wondering the
t shop one game? Right? Ye?

2645
02:51:20.840 --> 02:51:28.159
Lucy game from makers of the Stanley
Parable. So there's gonna be some

2646
02:51:28.639 --> 02:51:33.239
it's gonna be weird something going on. That was the most horrifying moment of

2647
02:51:33.319 --> 02:51:37.040
my day when you walked in the
room with that tea. Okay, have

2648
02:51:37.159 --> 02:51:43.280
you seen this? She almost drafted
them a hard mate. So the thing

2649
02:51:43.360 --> 02:51:46.639
is is that I didn't even notice, right, Yeah, I'm just I've

2650
02:51:46.680 --> 02:51:48.719
been in America too long. I
didn't even know it. And then and

2651
02:51:48.799 --> 02:51:52.520
then Ben pointed it out, and
I was like it wasn't better as someone

2652
02:51:52.559 --> 02:51:56.479
else who's working at the event,
you know, like have you seen this?

2653
02:52:00.440 --> 02:52:03.120
You know what? You know what? Ralph doesn't have the context,

2654
02:52:03.280 --> 02:52:07.959
so Jeff made a cup of tea
or we don't need the context unless we

2655
02:52:07.200 --> 02:52:13.399
do Jeffrey Michael grabb I will get
a picture of what look at a zoom

2656
02:52:13.479 --> 02:52:16.959
in so a cup of throat coat, which is a special thing of I'm

2657
02:52:16.959 --> 02:52:24.840
sorry. Yeah, you know how
normally the stream ratings whatever you needs to

2658
02:52:24.879 --> 02:52:28.239
be and for mature. You know, when you make a cup of tea

2659
02:52:28.280 --> 02:52:31.639
and it's in America at least it's
in a in a bag before you get

2660
02:52:31.680 --> 02:52:33.680
to the tea bag. So Jeff
just puts a bag, right, just

2661
02:52:33.879 --> 02:52:39.399
put the bag in and didn't take
it out. He seeped it. He

2662
02:52:39.479 --> 02:52:48.360
seeped it for twenty minutes. And
I know, does this work on camera?

2663
02:52:48.840 --> 02:52:56.920
We got a camera that can see
notification right now. I go in

2664
02:52:58.399 --> 02:53:00.719
and we're like, mate, what
the hell is it is? And then

2665
02:53:00.799 --> 02:53:05.000
he he gets it out of the
bag, zipped it well like ripped the

2666
02:53:05.000 --> 02:53:13.079
top of the back of looking out
behavior and the tea bag bone dry.

2667
02:53:13.879 --> 02:53:22.559
It was so dry, it was
freaking out. Is your throat coated?

2668
02:53:22.680 --> 02:53:24.719
My throat is a little coated?
Now? Yeah, it helped, glad

2669
02:53:24.760 --> 02:53:30.040
I did it worked, yes,
but that was yeah. I felt like

2670
02:53:30.079 --> 02:53:33.559
a real Dan Reker. Absolutely.
But the thing is is because I showed

2671
02:53:33.600 --> 02:53:35.239
it like you and Dan were standing
then I showed it to Dan, and

2672
02:53:35.399 --> 02:53:39.079
Dan just went didn't. Dan went
wide. I like, I know something,

2673
02:53:43.600 --> 02:53:46.200
and he just went like, I
don't see anything, and I went,

2674
02:53:46.639 --> 02:53:50.040
I didn't put the back of the
war. Danny went, yeah,

2675
02:53:50.799 --> 02:53:54.680
we have a We have another American
that we used to work with that came

2676
02:53:54.760 --> 02:54:00.479
to England. You can name him
here. This is the other one who

2677
02:54:00.520 --> 02:54:05.719
it is kind And he wanted to
he wanted to make a cup of tea.

2678
02:54:05.840 --> 02:54:09.079
And he thought, I'll take this
electric ketl and boil some water.

2679
02:54:09.600 --> 02:54:16.200
And he did it by putting the
electric kettle on the stove and then Jesus

2680
02:54:16.520 --> 02:54:22.879
firing up and very quickly realized that
he almost thought of various kinds of fires.

2681
02:54:24.319 --> 02:54:26.399
I was like, you enjoyed tea. Yeah, I'm more of a

2682
02:54:26.479 --> 02:54:31.040
copy of person. So there's like
a coffee shop every corner of the place

2683
02:54:31.079 --> 02:54:33.040
here, But I know how to
make tea. I know it's not twenty

2684
02:54:33.079 --> 02:54:37.159
minutes long. He's gonna say,
simple, the drain walked away. It

2685
02:54:37.280 --> 02:54:39.040
wasn't like my plan is to let
it step for twenty minutes. I was

2686
02:54:39.079 --> 02:54:41.360
like, I walked away to do
other stuff and forgot about him. Ah,

2687
02:54:41.760 --> 02:54:46.120
you did a you did a walk
through of the set and everything.

2688
02:54:46.399 --> 02:54:48.879
You were busy. I did come
back to check on it and then walk

2689
02:54:48.920 --> 02:54:52.000
away again. Oh buddy, Yeah, nobody's right. Yeah, I don't

2690
02:54:52.040 --> 02:54:56.200
feel proud like I'm definitely definitely shouldn't. There's lots of ship. Yeah,

2691
02:54:56.520 --> 02:55:01.520
definitely shouldn't. Yeah, Well,
to bring back around Jeffrey real quick,

2692
02:55:01.559 --> 02:55:03.040
now, to bring it back around
Jeffrey, Michael grub there it is.

2693
02:55:03.120 --> 02:55:05.879
Excuse me? Are we gonna talk
about what jeff Hilly did on stage?

2694
02:55:07.280 --> 02:55:15.280
Came out and he introduced the new
Sonic with a Shadow whatever. Shadow didn't

2695
02:55:15.280 --> 02:55:18.559
have a gun. Yeah, he
didn't have a gun. Like the whole

2696
02:55:18.600 --> 02:55:24.520
trailer, No shocked every frame nowhere
at all. His days are over with

2697
02:55:24.639 --> 02:55:28.879
guns day. He's got a TV
show, so he had though it's like,

2698
02:55:28.040 --> 02:55:31.280
that's a Sonic, but he's got
a gun. If we can't get

2699
02:55:31.360 --> 02:55:35.239
Megatron as a gun anymore and no
way, yeah that's the thing. Yeah,

2700
02:55:35.600 --> 02:55:39.399
that's a good point. He is
a gun. That doesn't that great?

2701
02:55:41.600 --> 02:55:43.120
It's a gun? What the like? Maga Sure? It's like the

2702
02:55:43.120 --> 02:55:46.319
whole idea of Transformers was like,
these are toys we're going to sell the

2703
02:55:46.399 --> 02:55:48.319
kid. So that apeared right.
Yeah, Shadow is a badass. You

2704
02:55:48.319 --> 02:55:52.319
should have a gun. Yeah,
yeah, anymore, I feel like the

2705
02:55:52.399 --> 02:55:54.479
more you think about it, the
more Megatrone being a gun doesn't work because

2706
02:55:54.479 --> 02:55:58.799
he like just transforms on his like
and it just lands on the floor to

2707
02:55:58.840 --> 02:56:03.280
use him if he has to fire
himself. He's just randomly sucks to have

2708
02:56:03.399 --> 02:56:05.760
to fire yourself. Like he's got
some people, he's got the dominergy,

2709
02:56:05.840 --> 02:56:09.239
but he has to like submit to
star screens screen. He's like, fuck

2710
02:56:09.319 --> 02:56:13.879
you starscre my Transformers. Knowledge begins
and ends at the Universal Ride. So

2711
02:56:15.000 --> 02:56:20.399
this conversation rip you get it?
Ye? Ride makes me so sick.

2712
02:56:22.200 --> 02:56:24.479
I was laughing all the time.
I did the first time in Singapore,

2713
02:56:24.479 --> 02:56:26.440
and I had a good time there, and then I did it here and

2714
02:56:26.559 --> 02:56:28.000
it did make me sick. You're
right, well, it made me a

2715
02:56:28.040 --> 02:56:33.360
little queasy. Yeah. It's nothing
close to the Simpsons ride though, Simpsons.

2716
02:56:33.479 --> 02:56:35.680
Right. I came back out and
I was like, I want to

2717
02:56:35.840 --> 02:56:41.920
die never ride. Yeah, driving
Homer Simpsons basically like room moving rooms.

2718
02:56:43.120 --> 02:56:46.920
Then yeah, you're like a car
flying through Springfield, crashing through molds.

2719
02:56:48.520 --> 02:56:50.680
Run. Am I remembering this right? Where all the characters look like they're

2720
02:56:50.680 --> 02:56:54.760
from the Simpsons Hit and Run?
Yes, kay awesome. Yeah. Yeah,

2721
02:56:54.879 --> 02:56:56.760
the problem is the frame rate on
it is weird, so you feel

2722
02:56:56.760 --> 02:57:01.600
it immediate? Yeah, I think
they're getting really optimized. Yeah. Hey

2723
02:57:01.719 --> 02:57:05.360
my ride is pro. It needs
d L S S yeah, or f

2724
02:57:05.440 --> 02:57:11.959
SR or episode even something CSS one
yeah, no one us all right?

2725
02:57:13.040 --> 02:57:15.520
So Keith, what else stuck out
to you other than Power Rangers. I'm

2726
02:57:15.559 --> 02:57:18.319
a big gunder fan. I'm a
big mech fan, so mech break.

2727
02:57:18.840 --> 02:57:20.959
Oh yeah, it was like fun. Apparently it's supposed to be like sixty

2728
02:57:22.040 --> 02:57:24.360
mechs on the field at once and
be able to customize your mex as well.

2729
02:57:24.440 --> 02:57:28.520
So I'm sold. Yeah is that
a totally new thing and that's not

2730
02:57:28.559 --> 02:57:33.000
connected to anything? No, look
cool, it's amazing. I can't wait

2731
02:57:33.040 --> 02:57:35.440
to play it. I'm sorry,
can I do? Can you guys do

2732
02:57:35.520 --> 02:57:37.840
me a favor? And like there's
an argument between me and Mike about the

2733
02:57:39.040 --> 02:57:46.079
Killer Bean game man. Someone tweeted
me that the Killer Bean had a movie

2734
02:57:46.239 --> 02:57:50.680
sixteen years ago to old YouTube.
Yeah, I had no idea, Orange,

2735
02:57:50.920 --> 02:57:54.399
I had no idea. I had
no idea. I had no idea

2736
02:57:54.479 --> 02:57:58.319
Killer Bean was a mean thing.
Yeah, either, Finally someone made a

2737
02:57:58.399 --> 02:58:03.639
killer It's the the angry ords problematic
that I don't know what exactly, Okay,

2738
02:58:05.079 --> 02:58:07.440
I think it's just annoying, just
annoying. I don't know that that

2739
02:58:07.520 --> 02:58:09.360
has the same energy as like Charlie
bit my finger has the game coming out,

2740
02:58:11.120 --> 02:58:13.399
Where's a Chocolate Ramp game? Where's
Ta when you need him? He

2741
02:58:13.559 --> 02:58:18.559
just turned like he had a big
miles six years old, and I was

2742
02:58:18.639 --> 02:58:22.280
like, whoa still breathing away from
the microphone. Do you remember when he

2743
02:58:22.959 --> 02:58:28.280
briefly released a sequel to Chocolate Rain
called Vanilla Snow and it was catastrophic?

2744
02:58:30.040 --> 02:58:33.559
He like deleted it the way Drake
deleted his like the half part six.

2745
02:58:33.639 --> 02:58:39.159
Recently, it was sponsored by doctor
Pepper. That's right. Oh my yeah,

2746
02:58:39.559 --> 02:58:43.639
was popping off the second largest like
soda bar in the US. Right

2747
02:58:43.680 --> 02:58:48.200
now, How does that happen?
Man? Because it's better it's Americans.

2748
02:58:48.280 --> 02:58:56.559
This tastes like medicine to me.
Yeah, Americans, American American sea And

2749
02:58:56.600 --> 02:58:58.520
they go, oh, it's doctor
free healthcare, right, makes sense,

2750
02:59:00.040 --> 02:59:01.479
gonna fix me? All right?
Okay, So if you like to Killer

2751
02:59:01.559 --> 02:59:07.319
Bean, raise your hand, looks
fun. Yeah, this is correct ship,

2752
02:59:07.600 --> 02:59:09.520
Come on, man, Well,
my question is how does the game

2753
02:59:09.600 --> 02:59:13.879
handle all that slow motion breakdowance,
shooting, driving, open world, large

2754
02:59:15.079 --> 02:59:18.879
emergent bosses combats like a new parody, right, like, this is the

2755
02:59:18.920 --> 02:59:24.360
man level, this is the how
did bad Food simulate a handle that?

2756
02:59:24.520 --> 02:59:31.479
Huh? Well, okay, I
want to believe? Yeah, wonderful.

2757
02:59:31.719 --> 02:59:33.360
Yeah he's on board. I'll tell
you what was cool. I mean that

2758
02:59:33.600 --> 02:59:43.280
can game the climbing you believe where
you climbing, you climb the mountain,

2759
02:59:43.319 --> 02:59:58.280
weell French right, survival climbing game
and apparently just you just scream somebod who

2760
02:59:58.319 --> 03:00:01.680
lives in like in a com and
building with relatively thin walls. Some days

2761
03:00:01.760 --> 03:00:05.239
you just wanted totally. I've like
walked up some very steep hills in San

2762
03:00:05.280 --> 03:00:09.760
Francisco and got like halfway up from
just being like ah, and then got

2763
03:00:09.760 --> 03:00:11.600
to the top and been like,
ah, so I understand it, but

2764
03:00:11.639 --> 03:00:16.280
it looks nice. Did you see
Jake? She does push ups at some

2765
03:00:16.360 --> 03:00:22.280
point in the middle of it to
raise your stamina. Finally, someone I

2766
03:00:22.360 --> 03:00:24.879
was like, can I do that? Yeah? I'm happy someone may finally

2767
03:00:24.920 --> 03:00:28.040
made a game that will let me
pretend like I like right climbing, yeah,

2768
03:00:28.600 --> 03:00:31.440
actually doing it right exact. Everyone
in the city was I like,

2769
03:00:31.479 --> 03:00:35.520
the idea of it from a very
great distance. Yeah. I love doing

2770
03:00:35.559 --> 03:00:37.600
it with controller and not mind exactly. And the video game makes that possible,

2771
03:00:37.920 --> 03:00:41.200
like using VR has instead. Oh
god, I don't have to use

2772
03:00:41.239 --> 03:00:46.600
my hands for a VR headset.
The what was the Bank or the prison

2773
03:00:46.760 --> 03:00:48.959
Escape multiplayer? Like little freak game? Someone told me the name of something

2774
03:00:50.360 --> 03:00:52.719
I love a little fella. Yeah, yeah, that one. That's good.

2775
03:00:54.319 --> 03:00:56.239
It looks like it looks absurd,
and I'm like, all about it.

2776
03:00:56.280 --> 03:00:58.840
Do you guys think that looks good? I think it looks like it's

2777
03:00:58.879 --> 03:01:01.920
aim that my son and I can
play together. Yeah right, I'm in

2778
03:01:03.000 --> 03:01:03.719
the mood for that sort of thing
right now, where it's like it feels

2779
03:01:03.760 --> 03:01:07.600
like you could just instantly have fun
with something. Big part of it is

2780
03:01:07.680 --> 03:01:09.280
like I got little kids and they're
playing games right now. So anything that's

2781
03:01:09.319 --> 03:01:13.479
like got that low barrier of like
sandbocks fun and you're just doing wild stuff,

2782
03:01:13.639 --> 03:01:15.920
it's like hitting the spot for me. Then you know your kids like,

2783
03:01:16.000 --> 03:01:18.680
yeah, you've played dumb games?
Yeah oh yeah, yeah yeah,

2784
03:01:20.280 --> 03:01:22.719
the kids love it. Yeah.
I like the Jeff Include stuff like that

2785
03:01:22.799 --> 03:01:26.159
in the show. Ye yeah for
real of me, Like it's good you

2786
03:01:26.200 --> 03:01:28.639
know, because obviously there's always commentary
about what's in the show, what's out

2787
03:01:28.639 --> 03:01:31.559
whatever else obviously in that commentary right
now about how much you have to pay

2788
03:01:31.639 --> 03:01:35.559
to be in that show, whatever. But he also made clear that like

2789
03:01:35.600 --> 03:01:37.319
there's a bunch of stuff that just
gets in there for free, indie stuff

2790
03:01:37.360 --> 03:01:39.520
that he just wants to help profile. But I like that, you know

2791
03:01:39.559 --> 03:01:41.520
what I mean. I was,
I was a fan. There was obviously

2792
03:01:41.559 --> 03:01:45.319
a few you could tell that they
didn't pay to be there because they don't

2793
03:01:45.319 --> 03:01:46.600
have the budget to pay that,
and so he just put them in.

2794
03:01:46.680 --> 03:01:48.319
And I like that a lot.
I think it's good. Right. You

2795
03:01:48.360 --> 03:01:50.239
get the sense it's sort of a
one for me, one for you sort

2796
03:01:50.280 --> 03:01:54.399
of situation where it's like the ones
that are paying enable the other ones to

2797
03:01:54.440 --> 03:01:56.520
be in there. That's like an
a magazine like where every page has an

2798
03:01:56.520 --> 03:02:00.680
ad on the bad Yeah yeah,
yeah, sorry, no, go ahead,

2799
03:02:00.760 --> 03:02:01.680
I'm gonna say, like you can
definitely tell like, ho, Kai

2800
03:02:01.760 --> 03:02:05.959
Star Rail update, Okay, there's
another one coming cool, that's an AD.

2801
03:02:05.040 --> 03:02:07.319
That's an AD, sure, right, But then you see these little

2802
03:02:07.360 --> 03:02:11.200
pokey indie games and you're like,
all right, you clearly have no money

2803
03:02:11.559 --> 03:02:13.479
and you're making a cool game and
now you're being shown to like millions of

2804
03:02:13.520 --> 03:02:18.479
people. So I always find it
difficult to be cynical about these shows when

2805
03:02:18.559 --> 03:02:22.239
that stuff happens, because I think
that stuff matters a lot. Yeah,

2806
03:02:22.239 --> 03:02:24.079
I think like a good example of
that is the Outer Slough stuff, Like

2807
03:02:28.399 --> 03:02:33.559
he's getting some trailers out of there, but also is raising profile for this

2808
03:02:33.000 --> 03:02:37.840
initiative that will help other you know, developers, and like, whether you

2809
03:02:37.079 --> 03:02:41.319
like the show or not, or
regardless of your opinions on Jeff himself,

2810
03:02:41.440 --> 03:02:45.959
like that is an objectively good thing
to do, and like he could have

2811
03:02:46.600 --> 03:02:50.399
sold that slot or whatever to a
bigger game, but chose he saw the

2812
03:02:50.559 --> 03:02:54.079
validity and the potential of that initiative
and gave it a platform. I deserve

2813
03:02:54.200 --> 03:02:58.000
so respect for that. Shout out
to Victoria Tran also for coming out just

2814
03:02:58.040 --> 03:03:01.600
calling Hello gamers. Yeah, it
was very bad. We love a Hello

2815
03:03:01.639 --> 03:03:03.680
game or a moment. Yes,
absolutely. It seems like the ones that

2816
03:03:03.719 --> 03:03:07.840
are paying are like the ones that
can afford it, like minutes of vals.

2817
03:03:07.959 --> 03:03:11.280
Yes, what was that? What
was what? Like? You know,

2818
03:03:11.399 --> 03:03:15.159
one hundred dollars to anyone who can
name the chicken chicken, the chicken

2819
03:03:15.239 --> 03:03:20.360
game. What game was that?
Does anyone squad something about game? Pretty

2820
03:03:20.399 --> 03:03:24.680
much? Pretty much? Yeah,
like the Chris Hemsworth, Yes, right,

2821
03:03:24.760 --> 03:03:28.319
and that's Chicken Games. We don't
remember the game, but we remember

2822
03:03:28.360 --> 03:03:31.799
the commercial. Yeah, I do
remember the commercial fading away by the minute

2823
03:03:31.840 --> 03:03:33.680
right now? Yeah, you know
what it is like that the whole the

2824
03:03:33.760 --> 03:03:37.000
thing is like you see it so
many times. So then when they actually

2825
03:03:37.040 --> 03:03:39.239
do put the mobile ad in front
of you on your phone, you're like,

2826
03:03:39.280 --> 03:03:41.959
oh, now I recognized it and
maybe at the button. But I

2827
03:03:41.000 --> 03:03:46.440
would love to see the metric on
translation to like downloads or from like,

2828
03:03:46.760 --> 03:03:50.079
because I have never seen an advert
for anything in my life that's been a

2829
03:03:50.120 --> 03:03:56.120
celebrity and gone. I want that, even billboards like the Rock shampoo.

2830
03:03:56.200 --> 03:03:58.399
Do Wayne the Rock Johnson as a
shampoo. I didn't even know he had

2831
03:03:58.440 --> 03:04:03.079
a shampoo, have a shampoo?
That's the whole thing is like, brother,

2832
03:04:03.920 --> 03:04:11.280
like, hell yeah, it's ridiculous. You know that Nicole Nicole Kidman

2833
03:04:11.360 --> 03:04:16.360
brain training advert where she does the
brain training, she goes, she gets

2834
03:04:16.360 --> 03:04:20.920
her brain age and she goes fifty
two. That for me, I was

2835
03:04:20.959 --> 03:04:26.840
like sold the moment the cinema.
It was a preemptively the AMC right big,

2836
03:04:28.760 --> 03:04:33.760
like the big screens us all of
us right now to the movies.

2837
03:04:33.000 --> 03:04:37.120
Yeah, we come to this place
place. Yeah, I think, I

2838
03:04:37.159 --> 03:04:41.479
think. I read like basically the
only celebrity that actually works it was Tom

2839
03:04:41.559 --> 03:04:45.000
Brady for a couple of years and
everyone else just like, I bet,

2840
03:04:45.360 --> 03:04:48.600
what what about Sha Man, He's
out of every crypto was able to sell

2841
03:04:48.639 --> 03:04:54.639
crypto. I bet Tony Hulk worked
in the Tony Holk prok the rolls.

2842
03:04:54.760 --> 03:04:58.959
Tony Hawk sold me so many pizza
pizza bagels back in the day. Yeah,

2843
03:04:58.239 --> 03:05:03.319
it works, like you bring out
Michael Madson for Crime Boss Rocket who's

2844
03:05:03.360 --> 03:05:07.239
watching it on going Hell yeah ironically? So I was like, oh,

2845
03:05:07.319 --> 03:05:09.920
I'm really interested in this game.
Now turns out the game is it sucks.

2846
03:05:11.159 --> 03:05:13.399
It's very good. It's getting a
bunch of recently, I got a

2847
03:05:13.440 --> 03:05:18.479
person we're fixing it. Yeah yeah, of course, yeah, I mean,

2848
03:05:18.600 --> 03:05:20.159
but part of that's like the people
making the game just want to work

2849
03:05:20.200 --> 03:05:22.799
with celebrities, right, like,
yeah, it sounds like a Vanny thing,

2850
03:05:22.840 --> 03:05:26.239
all right, I'm just gonna I'm
just gonna say it. It was

2851
03:05:26.399 --> 03:05:28.559
the one of the highlights of the
show for me. But why the hell

2852
03:05:28.680 --> 03:05:33.639
was Tim Robinson and skaping because he
was very like he's really good. I

2853
03:05:33.639 --> 03:05:37.319
don't feel like that translated very well
to skate. Do you guys think it'll

2854
03:05:37.319 --> 03:05:39.920
be in the game. I'm like, he has he is not. That

2855
03:05:41.120 --> 03:05:43.559
is such a missed opportunity At this
point, I'm not worried about it.

2856
03:05:45.559 --> 03:05:48.200
I hopefully just do it as like
these f m V like live action sequences,

2857
03:05:48.239 --> 03:05:52.760
and then he's a selectable skater that
would be like a red aligned Yeah.

2858
03:05:54.079 --> 03:05:54.920
You know what. My favorite thing
about that trailer was there was a

2859
03:05:54.959 --> 03:05:58.680
bunch of people when it cut the
gameplay like on skates, and then there's

2860
03:05:58.760 --> 03:06:03.239
one guy just rolling yet and I
was like, I want to be that.

2861
03:06:05.319 --> 03:06:07.959
He looked like he was getting brain
damage every second. Like, go

2862
03:06:07.120 --> 03:06:11.600
back and watch it. There's one
guy who's just like straight up rolling around.

2863
03:06:11.319 --> 03:06:13.360
Apparently in the skate it's like you
can get off the skateboard and run

2864
03:06:13.399 --> 03:06:16.280
around, yeah, parkour and then
just like roll And I'm like, I

2865
03:06:16.360 --> 03:06:22.120
kind of want to be that asshole
sating. Yeah, just rolling into skaters

2866
03:06:22.559 --> 03:06:24.840
like learning, that's gonna be me. I'm gonna grief the ship out of

2867
03:06:24.879 --> 03:06:31.399
every skater. Yeah. Finally I
will say the Blumhouse Initiative is really excited,

2868
03:06:31.799 --> 03:06:35.559
it seems because I thought they were
just coming out with one and then

2869
03:06:35.600 --> 03:06:39.120
it was like fun multiples. Ye, there was something for different tastes of

2870
03:06:39.280 --> 03:06:43.760
different kinds of horror fans. I
love that they're on here. Tomorrow we'll

2871
03:06:43.760 --> 03:06:48.159
be talking. He's coming in tomorrow. Cool is Louise Like I worked with

2872
03:06:48.319 --> 03:06:52.479
her Future Publishing for many, many
years and she's always been a die hard

2873
03:06:52.559 --> 03:06:56.239
horror fan and has loved it,
like always talking about die hard horror like

2874
03:06:56.319 --> 03:07:01.280
horror stuff, and she is the
horror person like indie horror, mainstream horror.

2875
03:07:01.399 --> 03:07:05.719
So now she's got to this point
where she's heading it up. I'm

2876
03:07:05.799 --> 03:07:11.079
like, so cool, that's yeah. Yeah. Did you guys like like

2877
03:07:11.079 --> 03:07:13.479
the Blue mout stuff that you saw
was like, yeah, I thought those

2878
03:07:13.479 --> 03:07:16.120
horror games look really nice and special. Yeah. I think I think they

2879
03:07:16.200 --> 03:07:18.799
we fleshed it out and saying like
there's different subcultures of horror, so it's

2880
03:07:18.799 --> 03:07:22.000
not just like here's a scary game
you can play. There's like here's a

2881
03:07:22.079 --> 03:07:24.000
nostalgic horror game. Here's like a
slash or here's the first shooter. And

2882
03:07:24.120 --> 03:07:28.840
to anybody that is I would say
that has like a generic vision of what

2883
03:07:28.920 --> 03:07:31.680
horror is. This is more exciting. And then you see all these people

2884
03:07:31.680 --> 03:07:35.319
that find success in indie games to
kind of promote other indie games in that

2885
03:07:35.360 --> 03:07:39.079
way. It's very exciting, right, Yeah, I started value with Murder.

2886
03:07:39.159 --> 03:07:43.959
It's actually a really good idea.
Actually thought you thought that looked good.

2887
03:07:43.000 --> 03:07:46.040
I thought it was amazing. I
love the fact that they're giving other

2888
03:07:46.120 --> 03:07:52.200
developers a chance to showcase their own
different type of of horror and that don't

2889
03:07:52.200 --> 03:07:58.559
really need right now, other people
showcasing what their strengths are and also catering

2890
03:07:58.600 --> 03:08:01.639
to different people's tastes instead of hey, there's just one generic horror game.

2891
03:08:01.719 --> 03:08:03.879
Fantastic, enjoy it. That is
That is my read on this show.

2892
03:08:03.959 --> 03:08:07.600
Overall, it's like Keey didn't wait
until like this year was a dud to

2893
03:08:07.719 --> 03:08:13.559
respond to where the industry's at.
He's like very proactive about recognizing that he

2894
03:08:13.639 --> 03:08:16.559
can't rely on the biggest companies to
provide the biggest games to fill out this

2895
03:08:16.639 --> 03:08:18.959
whole list of lineup, So who
do we turned to a bunch of smaller

2896
03:08:20.040 --> 03:08:22.639
creators and on that, On that
side of things, I think he really

2897
03:08:22.639 --> 03:08:24.520
succeeded. I think you like even
have said the right things out front.

2898
03:08:24.600 --> 03:08:30.799
So he even said like wishless them, which is so such metrics for indies

2899
03:08:30.959 --> 03:08:35.760
especially. I'm I thought this show
was, but I think what happened with

2900
03:08:35.879 --> 03:08:39.920
that though, is also something that
signifies a shift that everybody who's in the

2901
03:08:39.000 --> 03:08:43.040
industry sees that indie games are great
and they're up and coming. Yes,

2902
03:08:43.200 --> 03:08:46.239
And usually you see people are like
I even like Capcom, I ain't like

2903
03:08:46.319 --> 03:08:50.360
Konami. I'm just saying Konami for
I only like the big name people.

2904
03:08:50.879 --> 03:08:54.879
And it's like I won't give this
no brand company a chance that I've never

2905
03:08:54.959 --> 03:08:58.040
heard of before. And it's like
I've played so many different indie games.

2906
03:08:58.120 --> 03:09:01.639
I'm like, Wow, this kick
the hell out of the trip away.

2907
03:09:01.959 --> 03:09:05.799
There's games going on. It's a
lot of great stuff happening now. Is

2908
03:09:05.879 --> 03:09:09.440
the flip side of the one of
the I guess like one of the detrimental

2909
03:09:09.520 --> 03:09:13.959
parts of being game development and publishment
now where games take so long to make

2910
03:09:13.040 --> 03:09:18.719
this so expensive that it turns out
like the fact that they're in development so

2911
03:09:18.840 --> 03:09:22.319
long it means that they eat up
less oxygen around the year or the time.

2912
03:09:22.719 --> 03:09:26.680
So now these smaller games yeah,
exactly. So it feels like,

2913
03:09:26.920 --> 03:09:30.000
you know, we're always talking about
what happened to the Double A, like

2914
03:09:30.200 --> 03:09:33.879
this is the Double A. India
has become the Double A, and like

2915
03:09:33.159 --> 03:09:37.920
there's it's much easier to create,
like distinct distinguish yourself from other games as

2916
03:09:37.959 --> 03:09:41.399
well. Now, so it feels
like a it feels like we got here

2917
03:09:41.440 --> 03:09:52.600
in an unfortunate way, but we're
able to find the chair break break the

2918
03:09:52.760 --> 03:09:58.559
chair broke. So yeah, it's
like we got here in the unfortunate way,

2919
03:09:58.600 --> 03:10:01.239
but backwards it seems like we made
the best of a weird, bad

2920
03:10:01.319 --> 03:10:05.559
situation. On it, it feels
like Achille was like actually hitching his wag

2921
03:10:05.639 --> 03:10:09.920
into Indian smaller games, and that's
like I think as well, Like I

2922
03:10:09.040 --> 03:10:16.360
think was it was really like quite
shrewd because yeah, his commentary at the

2923
03:10:16.440 --> 03:10:20.360
top was not like companies you should
feel bad for sacking people, because companies

2924
03:10:20.360 --> 03:10:24.399
don't feel bad about anything, right, But what his pitch was basically like,

2925
03:10:24.680 --> 03:10:28.079
see all these small games, they
make lots of money, So executives,

2926
03:10:28.280 --> 03:10:31.120
if you want to make money too, then you should make small games,

2927
03:10:31.399 --> 03:10:33.680
you know what I mean? Totally, So I thought that was very

2928
03:10:33.840 --> 03:10:39.120
clever to position it that way rather
than just do like a moral pitch.

2929
03:10:39.479 --> 03:10:41.079
It was very much like, here
are the dollars and cents why you should

2930
03:10:41.079 --> 03:10:45.760
actually invest in this side of the
business. And I think it was good

2931
03:10:45.959 --> 03:10:48.520
solution focused. Yeah, it spoke
their language. It spoke their language,

2932
03:10:48.559 --> 03:10:52.200
you know what I mean. And
the fact that it's Blumbhouse too with their

2933
03:10:52.479 --> 03:10:54.719
stuff where it's like you hear about
all these other companies right now playing it's

2934
03:10:54.719 --> 03:10:58.120
safe and they're just looking for IP
it's already been a success. At least

2935
03:10:58.239 --> 03:11:01.280
Blumhouse is putting their money where their
mouth is, using their model look to

2936
03:11:01.319 --> 03:11:05.879
invest in a bunch of cool different
things and hopefully one of those games is

2937
03:11:05.959 --> 03:11:07.799
really awesome. Yeah, do we
think that this pitch is going to win

2938
03:11:07.799 --> 03:11:11.200
anyone over after a private division is
closing down? Like the whole idea of

2939
03:11:11.280 --> 03:11:13.520
like what we're talking about right now, is that right that this has to

2940
03:11:13.600 --> 03:11:16.840
be a smaller label. They could
publish smaller games from a big company,

2941
03:11:16.879 --> 03:11:20.760
and they just couldn't figure it out, even though it's like pretty obvious what

2942
03:11:20.840 --> 03:11:22.799
went wrong. You just were expecting
bigger things from games that are smaller.

2943
03:11:24.280 --> 03:11:26.879
Why would you do that? It
might almost be better than Blumhouse is an

2944
03:11:26.920 --> 03:11:31.799
outsider. Yeah, Bluehouse is completely
the antithesis of that, right, Yeah.

2945
03:11:33.680 --> 03:11:39.520
They come in with a specific mindset
of trying to do things that uphold

2946
03:11:39.719 --> 03:11:43.040
their own kind of like image and
ethos and the things they look for in

2947
03:11:43.159 --> 03:11:46.680
movies that are clearly they're applying it
to games now, and that is for

2948
03:11:46.840 --> 03:11:50.639
now, outside of the trend kind
of cycle where it's like we need the

2949
03:11:50.760 --> 03:11:54.280
games as a service, we need
X, Y and Z. They're just

2950
03:11:54.319 --> 03:11:56.920
coming in and being like, we
just want to create some horror things because

2951
03:11:56.959 --> 03:12:01.280
it reinforces what we're about, and
it you know, looking forward to looking

2952
03:12:01.319 --> 03:12:03.760
ahead. It could be like,
oh, Blumhouse makes these weird indie horror

2953
03:12:03.799 --> 03:12:07.879
games. Let me look at some
of their movies and vice versa. So

2954
03:12:07.040 --> 03:12:11.239
it's a smart play on their part. Yeah, so I think it a

2955
03:12:11.280 --> 03:12:16.239
work. You guys travel out here. How does that like affect like coverage

2956
03:12:16.479 --> 03:12:18.399
not you're not like making videos or
like what it's it like? I mean,

2957
03:12:18.440 --> 03:12:20.600
for me, it's it's not that
exciting. But for me, the

2958
03:12:20.639 --> 03:12:24.879
big thing that we do on Game
Ranks is the Friday News Show, and

2959
03:12:24.319 --> 03:12:30.079
the Friday New Show always always live
well before what is now this because It

2960
03:12:30.200 --> 03:12:33.479
used to be on Thursday, right, the Jeff presentation sometimes yes, yeah,

2961
03:12:33.559 --> 03:12:35.639
yeah, So now it's on Friday, and it's Friday prime time,

2962
03:12:35.959 --> 03:12:39.280
so it needs to be a dedicated
video the next day. So that's it's

2963
03:12:39.280 --> 03:12:43.639
all right, it's cool, but
it's really it's more time to stop and

2964
03:12:43.879 --> 03:12:46.959
digest and break away one of the
most compelling things to talk about instead of

2965
03:12:48.040 --> 03:12:50.399
just doing here's everything, right,
we can and the audience shows up for

2966
03:12:50.440 --> 03:12:54.280
that anyhow, right, yeah,
usually, But it's nice now that it's

2967
03:12:54.319 --> 03:12:56.120
like, oh the dust is cleared, what really stands out? You know?

2968
03:12:56.879 --> 03:13:03.760
I want to say congratulations to Jake
and the Game Ranks team, shout

2969
03:13:03.760 --> 03:13:07.319
out to any of them if they're
watching, like the team. I'm just

2970
03:13:07.360 --> 03:13:15.319
a cog in it, but really
good A gear of war. Yeah,

2971
03:13:15.440 --> 03:13:18.600
no, it's it's crazy. That
used to be like an old YouTube metric

2972
03:13:18.680 --> 03:13:22.040
that like we would all like as
a YouTuber, be like yeah yeah yeah.

2973
03:13:22.200 --> 03:13:24.760
Now it's more about dollars and cents
and and perview and all these analytics.

2974
03:13:26.040 --> 03:13:30.120
But yeah, a subscriber milestone is
still something anyone should celebrate, whether

2975
03:13:30.200 --> 03:13:31.799
it's a hundred, which I freaked
down about when I first got one,

2976
03:13:31.879 --> 03:13:37.520
hundred subscribers to now eight million,
which is just scary. That's awesome.

2977
03:13:37.559 --> 03:13:41.840
But yeah, how about you Ralpherson
traveling just to get the way of like

2978
03:13:41.200 --> 03:13:45.000
the schedule anything like that in a
way, But like I also have lucky

2979
03:13:45.040 --> 03:13:46.079
because I have a team now,
So I have like three people that work

2980
03:13:46.159 --> 03:13:48.760
with me. Shout out. Yeah. So Stewart is like working on the

2981
03:13:48.840 --> 03:13:54.319
video right now, Austin is going
to be working on the weekends, and

2982
03:13:54.719 --> 03:13:58.680
Edmund is also getting up at like
three am to do run sheets for because

2983
03:13:58.680 --> 03:14:00.840
the time difference. He has to
watch the show live or whatever. Right,

2984
03:14:01.120 --> 03:14:03.879
so it's like a full operation.
I'm very lucky to have their help,

2985
03:14:03.879 --> 03:14:07.040
and we try and put out as
much as we can while also keeping

2986
03:14:07.079 --> 03:14:09.520
it thoughtful, like we just don't
want to spam out garbage or whatever.

2987
03:14:09.639 --> 03:14:13.319
Yeah, it's a challenge, but
I but this is like a big period.

2988
03:14:13.360 --> 03:14:15.559
And then there's a lot of nothing
for a while, you know,

2989
03:14:15.680 --> 03:14:18.440
like obviously we've got urg tree and
I gotta do final shape when I get

2990
03:14:18.479 --> 03:14:20.079
home, and then there's like a
nice spell we can kind of chill,

2991
03:14:20.440 --> 03:14:28.799
so we're all thank goodness you're here. Apologize for the Yeah. Yeah,

2992
03:14:28.879 --> 03:14:31.639
yeah, so I make it out
now. Yeah, that's exciting, isn't

2993
03:14:31.639 --> 03:14:35.479
it. Just say how much Sam
like killed it out there, just like

2994
03:14:35.639 --> 03:14:41.120
rocks up. Oh yeah, just
dances like announce his physical drop STLC that

2995
03:14:41.360 --> 03:14:43.479
day here go. It was good
pacing, like for real. Yeah,

2996
03:14:43.520 --> 03:14:46.920
like he just's story telling right exactly. He did didn't waste time. Yeah,

2997
03:14:46.920 --> 03:14:50.159
it wasn't like just like get up
there and doing his dance for too

2998
03:14:50.239 --> 03:14:52.000
long, just a little taste,
so got in and got out. I

2999
03:14:52.079 --> 03:14:54.920
loved it. Yeah, it's a
very good job. Yeah, I am

3000
03:14:56.040 --> 03:14:56.879
like in my head, I keep
thinking, I'm like, all right,

3001
03:14:56.879 --> 03:15:00.280
soon as I get home, it'll
be the June and twenty first, and

3002
03:15:00.319 --> 03:15:03.479
I'll be playing Shadow the Air Tree
and it's now I'm reading my eld and

3003
03:15:03.600 --> 03:15:07.120
Ring playthrough PC save ready, Right, that's the bit of It's like we've

3004
03:15:07.120 --> 03:15:09.559
been doing that multiplayer stuff, so
we'll just do another couple of rounds for

3005
03:15:09.639 --> 03:15:11.639
that and like kind of keep getting
used to it. And yeah, that's

3006
03:15:11.639 --> 03:15:15.280
a good time. But it's I
don't know. For me, it's Astrobot.

3007
03:15:16.319 --> 03:15:18.920
That's the thing I'm looking forward to. Dude. If people clowned on

3008
03:15:18.000 --> 03:15:20.440
you for that before being excited about
that, because I got so much flak

3009
03:15:20.479 --> 03:15:24.719
for daring to be like excited.
Imagine clowning on someone for so I'm like,

3010
03:15:24.799 --> 03:15:28.239
too, like much of an asshole
about it. You're like the number

3011
03:15:28.280 --> 03:15:33.440
one astro inf Yeah, he's like
toxic Pozzy you have joy and you were

3012
03:15:33.520 --> 03:15:37.159
like, but it's not a bit. It's genuinely awesome. And so when

3013
03:15:37.159 --> 03:15:39.200
I've heard that people have been getting
ship that, I'm like, really,

3014
03:15:39.239 --> 03:15:41.920
and then I'm like looking around,
like, oh, yeah, that is

3015
03:15:41.959 --> 03:15:45.639
happening. People suck. I'm glad
that game. I wish it was seventy

3016
03:15:45.680 --> 03:15:52.200
dollars. You heard it here first
grub won seventy dollars sevot. Yes,

3017
03:15:52.760 --> 03:15:56.120
I don't know. I'm very looking
forward to that, but I guess yeah

3018
03:15:56.159 --> 03:15:58.319
that it is a lot of nothing
for the rest of the year other than

3019
03:15:58.360 --> 03:16:01.280
a couple of things Space Brad too
looks cool? Yep that can we talk

3020
03:16:01.319 --> 03:16:07.000
about Civilization seven? I mean I
almost stood up. I was so excited.

3021
03:16:07.079 --> 03:16:09.719
Yeah, And it kind of been
rumblings about it for a little bit

3022
03:16:09.799 --> 03:16:11.760
beforehand. Well, there was that
rumor. It's like two days Gonn announced

3023
03:16:11.959 --> 03:16:15.639
a big franchise coming back. Everyone's
excited about. And I looked at a

3024
03:16:15.639 --> 03:16:20.840
couple of like other coverage and no
one mentioned Sims and then it was excellent

3025
03:16:22.479 --> 03:16:26.399
and I'm like, oh, it's
sim definitely, So I was also excited

3026
03:16:26.399 --> 03:16:28.799
about that. Happy. I can't
wait. What do you guys think of

3027
03:16:28.239 --> 03:16:35.559
the Lego Alloy Horizon Flower. That's
how I feel about it. I'm I

3028
03:16:35.639 --> 03:16:41.000
still don't know how that got made. I'm so fascinated because there's not like

3029
03:16:41.040 --> 03:16:43.120
a lot of a fiction for the
Horizon franchise, do you know what I

3030
03:16:43.200 --> 03:16:46.600
mean? Like it's well aware what
you mean. Yeah, it's it's like

3031
03:16:46.680 --> 03:16:50.479
it's a it's a game that sol
that we we ruined the bit. Okay,

3032
03:16:50.520 --> 03:16:52.399
it's over here, right, Have
I already missed something? All right?

3033
03:16:52.559 --> 03:16:56.120
So we during the reveal, we
kind of knew it was going to

3034
03:16:56.159 --> 03:17:01.360
happen. So Dan found a leaf
blower, which we have since, like

3035
03:17:03.159 --> 03:17:07.680
I did, get taken away away
incredible, and so he got announced,

3036
03:17:07.719 --> 03:17:11.440
he got it out and like blew
it in my face and close. I

3037
03:17:11.520 --> 03:17:15.559
was losing my mind and they were
like throwing napkins and stuff and we were

3038
03:17:15.600 --> 03:17:16.319
good. I was like, for
the rest of the year, we're going

3039
03:17:16.399 --> 03:17:18.879
to be selling that. This is
our most anticipated game, and Brothers in

3040
03:17:18.959 --> 03:17:22.280
our minds, but you don't actually
care that. That's a bit right,

3041
03:17:22.399 --> 03:17:26.319
right, And then the astrobot is
real, but the Horizon lego thing is

3042
03:17:26.360 --> 03:17:30.479
a bit correct. People are excited
about it, fine, but I don't

3043
03:17:30.559 --> 03:17:33.079
get it. Has anyone seen any
excitement for that reveal? People always say

3044
03:17:33.079 --> 03:17:35.440
to me, like, and it
sold this many copies. Yeah, that's

3045
03:17:35.520 --> 03:17:41.159
right, it's so Fox. But
I believe I've always likened Horizon to Avatar.

3046
03:17:41.440 --> 03:17:45.959
Yeah, right, because it is
exactly the energy and it leaves the

3047
03:17:46.120 --> 03:17:48.360
same lack of footprint. And I
actually like Horizon, by the way.

3048
03:17:48.399 --> 03:17:52.319
I like it's the same way I
love Avatar Avatar. But you hang,

3049
03:17:52.360 --> 03:17:54.959
we're making a lego Avatar game.
Would be like, I don't care.

3050
03:17:54.200 --> 03:17:56.239
I don't want to play that.
Do you know what I mean? You're

3051
03:17:56.280 --> 03:18:01.719
my Avatar brother, right, brother? Gotcha? Yeah? We were signing

3052
03:18:01.840 --> 03:18:05.159
for presentation is some game fens last
year. I have seen anyone more locked

3053
03:18:05.200 --> 03:18:13.159
in the person who was giving it. And when we all remember, of

3054
03:18:13.239 --> 03:18:18.920
course, how Jake soon led the
Rebellyon and Lucy are like snickering, and

3055
03:18:18.000 --> 03:18:24.479
we looked to Jake and he's like, right, and the game is good.

3056
03:18:26.040 --> 03:18:28.520
Yes, it's a solid seven,
Like I don't want to yuck anyone's

3057
03:18:28.559 --> 03:18:33.239
young at all, like like what
you like, but that is when how

3058
03:18:33.280 --> 03:18:37.319
does it happen? Yes, The
thing is like when they made the Lego

3059
03:18:37.600 --> 03:18:43.559
Horizon Tall Neck a Brethren of Mine, like the actual Lego set, I

3060
03:18:43.680 --> 03:18:48.799
was like, Okay, yeah,
I can see that. Though there's nothing

3061
03:18:48.120 --> 03:18:52.079
wrong with that. It's like it's
a toy for for sure. But like

3062
03:18:52.959 --> 03:18:56.879
like if you made yeah, like
if you made a Lego God of War,

3063
03:18:56.200 --> 03:19:00.520
you'd like burn the house down.
Everyone was sicked like so much with

3064
03:19:00.559 --> 03:19:01.680
that. It is so funny because
there's so much you can do with that

3065
03:19:01.760 --> 03:19:05.120
because it's such a serious game.
And then you contrast that with the Lego

3066
03:19:05.200 --> 03:19:09.600
ridiculousness. Like that's the thing is
is like if you were going to write

3067
03:19:09.239 --> 03:19:13.200
if you were going to make a
Lego set off any other sony property,

3068
03:19:13.159 --> 03:19:16.799
like all of the Rings, they've
got Barrator, they've got riven Down,

3069
03:19:18.000 --> 03:19:22.159
they've got the Friends set, they've
got like key locations from various TV shows,

3070
03:19:22.200 --> 03:19:24.840
movies, games, whatever, like
Minecraft. What would you put from

3071
03:19:24.840 --> 03:19:35.200
any property horizons more like bionical honestly, Like I know exactly what you mean,

3072
03:19:35.239 --> 03:19:41.440
which is crazy unless I'm missing something
and people can correct me on this.

3073
03:19:41.520 --> 03:19:48.079
The hot Dog shows a lot because
the hot Dog that is I think

3074
03:19:48.120 --> 03:19:50.760
they play well. I'm not a
huge fan of it. It is easily

3075
03:19:50.840 --> 03:19:54.399
one of the most humorless franchises in
existence. The fact that the humor in

3076
03:19:54.520 --> 03:20:00.319
that trailer didn't come from something that
came from Horizons instead of Hot Dog a

3077
03:20:00.319 --> 03:20:03.520
good point. Everything about that is
a very good diagnosis the problem. I

3078
03:20:03.600 --> 03:20:07.159
say, it's interesting. It's almost
like a reverse for the first time because

3079
03:20:07.559 --> 03:20:09.680
I saw this and I was like, oh, this looks a little cooler

3080
03:20:09.760 --> 03:20:13.079
than Horizon because it's almost like,
you know, with Lego games. I

3081
03:20:13.079 --> 03:20:16.000
don't know about you guys, but
like I feel like Lego games are usually

3082
03:20:16.120 --> 03:20:22.239
made on like legendary things. Yeah, Star Wars Jones position of having so

3083
03:20:22.799 --> 03:20:26.559
iconic with something so silly. Yeah, it almost feels like it's chasing an

3084
03:20:26.559 --> 03:20:31.959
astroball, which would be super cool
if they didn't just announce astroball before,

3085
03:20:31.280 --> 03:20:33.479
right, right. It feels like
they're trying to build on this the family

3086
03:20:33.680 --> 03:20:37.239
the Friendly Library. They do need
that, everyone agrees, but for sure

3087
03:20:37.479 --> 03:20:39.120
does this fit into that? I
don't know, what does they go Horizon

3088
03:20:39.159 --> 03:20:43.840
Adventures make sense to you guys.
No, no, I love it.

3089
03:20:43.959 --> 03:20:48.200
I love it. Yeah, honestly
do we have theories on how it happens.

3090
03:20:48.280 --> 03:20:50.920
People say criminals is too arge?
Isn't just the No. The thing

3091
03:20:52.000 --> 03:20:56.120
is is that gamers are getting older. The people with money to spend are

3092
03:20:56.159 --> 03:20:58.920
getting older. It's like our generation, Like, how else are you going

3093
03:20:58.000 --> 03:21:01.799
to get younger gamers in? Will
you make a game make the parents bring

3094
03:21:01.239 --> 03:21:05.239
Yeah, hey this is and this
is made of lego, is something the

3095
03:21:05.319 --> 03:21:07.159
kids have. I'm going to put
it on Switch, which is the consoles

3096
03:21:07.200 --> 03:21:11.000
that a lot of younger games on
the fire real quick. So we got

3097
03:21:11.079 --> 03:21:18.280
a PlayStation game come out on PC
same day. We're not going to do

3098
03:21:18.360 --> 03:21:22.799
this here we go? Yeah,
like it coming to switch? Is the

3099
03:21:22.840 --> 03:21:24.120
thing? That Switch is the big
thing? No, No, like,

3100
03:21:24.239 --> 03:21:28.360
honestly, like thing is that I
want to believe and I love the fact

3101
03:21:28.360 --> 03:21:31.719
that a lot of games come from
a place of joy and just wanted to

3102
03:21:31.760 --> 03:21:35.280
make something creative. And there is
something very cynical about this and that that

3103
03:21:35.840 --> 03:21:43.719
other than Astrobot, what first party
PlayStation property is directly for younger gamers like

3104
03:21:45.079 --> 03:21:52.840
it used to be, It used
to be sack Boy anything. It hasn't

3105
03:21:52.879 --> 03:21:56.280
been. I feel like we're giving
it like way too much, like for

3106
03:21:56.559 --> 03:22:03.159
and it's it's very very simple,
Like Horizon makes money, Lego makes money.

3107
03:22:03.479 --> 03:22:05.200
I think an executive when correct,
how do we pay them together?

3108
03:22:05.520 --> 03:22:11.719
Horizon is a game where you break
dinosaur pieces off dinosaur characters. Lego is

3109
03:22:11.799 --> 03:22:16.920
a thing where and that's the thing. Let's not forget it. It's already

3110
03:22:16.959 --> 03:22:22.559
done. Gap in releases for the
regular first party franchises that we would expect,

3111
03:22:24.159 --> 03:22:26.920
they are sorely lacking this year,
right, and honestly, like Travelers

3112
03:22:26.959 --> 03:22:31.040
Tales is probably like one of those
work Rier Studio. This is gobbo.

3113
03:22:33.319 --> 03:22:39.559
Yes, all the kids are talking
about say it again. Yeah, to

3114
03:22:39.680 --> 03:22:41.799
be honest, in all likely to
will sell crazy amounts, so I don't

3115
03:22:43.520 --> 03:22:46.920
sell and no one will know who's
buying it, because that's the Horizon story.

3116
03:22:46.159 --> 03:22:48.959
It sells. No one knows who's
buying. It's packaged in with consoles,

3117
03:22:50.200 --> 03:22:52.719
and it does big numbers because it
sells in large part because like,

3118
03:22:52.760 --> 03:22:54.879
oh it's so pretty, you know, I think that's a whole and you

3119
03:22:54.920 --> 03:22:58.639
don't get that with this. And
I don't think my parents will buy this

3120
03:22:58.760 --> 03:23:01.319
for their kids, because I think
even parents will realize it doesn't have much

3121
03:23:01.319 --> 03:23:03.120
pulling power. And I don't think
adult like kid like adults are gonna buy

3122
03:23:03.159 --> 03:23:05.959
themselves. I don't know. Maybe
they make their money off the toys.

3123
03:23:07.360 --> 03:23:09.479
That's that's that's the play, you
know what I mean. For the sake

3124
03:23:09.520 --> 03:23:13.079
of not becoming too cynical a couch. I'm sure everyone will reflect this,

3125
03:23:13.200 --> 03:23:16.680
but like, I'm still interested.
I want to see what they're gonna do

3126
03:23:16.760 --> 03:23:18.920
with it. I hope it works
out. I hope it works out.

3127
03:23:20.319 --> 03:23:22.920
Horizon is not a franchise I'm particularly
interested in, but that's not me saying

3128
03:23:24.000 --> 03:23:26.719
no one else should be. I
hope it works out and they hit the

3129
03:23:26.840 --> 03:23:30.079
demographic that they're going for and it's
a massive success because that means more games

3130
03:23:30.159 --> 03:23:33.120
get. Good luck to you.
The Lego formula is so good. If

3131
03:23:33.159 --> 03:23:37.159
I can be a Aloy and hold
the button and she builds something, I'm

3132
03:23:37.200 --> 03:23:41.000
in fine. The Lego games are
always like, there are you know,

3133
03:23:41.440 --> 03:23:43.079
dozens of characters to switch between.
What are you gonna do? Switch between

3134
03:23:43.120 --> 03:23:50.520
Aloy and that guy? Hot Dog
was nine movies. One game that was

3135
03:23:50.600 --> 03:23:54.799
crazy, That game that was actually
fantastic, incredible, The best selling games

3136
03:23:54.799 --> 03:23:58.559
of that year for the reason deservedly, so absolutely she's not gonna match that.

3137
03:23:58.680 --> 03:24:05.040
I do think there's something weird about
the success of the Lego games being

3138
03:24:05.159 --> 03:24:09.319
leveraged by a company that isn't involved
in making that success, Like Travelers Tales

3139
03:24:09.360 --> 03:24:13.040
is not involved in this, and
like they are the reason why Lego games

3140
03:24:13.040 --> 03:24:16.959
are a big deal, and now
they're just like nowhere near it and it's

3141
03:24:16.040 --> 03:24:18.440
like another studio, Like I mentioned
it earlier, but like a lot of

3142
03:24:18.479 --> 03:24:24.559
the Teachers team are now at ten
ten making Funko, and I kind of

3143
03:24:24.879 --> 03:24:28.239
I kind of hate that they've gone
from Lego to funk that's a bit of

3144
03:24:28.319 --> 03:24:31.120
a downgrade. Yeah, that game. Also, it kind of looks cool

3145
03:24:31.159 --> 03:24:35.040
though, that's true. It looks
kind of fun, as much as I

3146
03:24:35.120 --> 03:24:39.280
hate those fucking things. So Comicon
last year, Tim and I there's a

3147
03:24:39.840 --> 03:24:48.120
pop Pop Yourself where you can make
games. The thing is is that there's

3148
03:24:48.280 --> 03:24:52.440
a limited number of presets in the
thing. They had my exact every day

3149
03:24:52.559 --> 03:24:56.799
outfit, like my black skirt,
my denim jacket, and I was like,

3150
03:24:56.360 --> 03:24:58.760
damn, I need to change.
I do like funk. Yeah,

3151
03:25:00.000 --> 03:25:09.559
I'm in good style, A bottle
of wine and a hello. Yeah,

3152
03:25:11.120 --> 03:25:15.159
okay, so that's what's your guy's
favorite rat night activity. Lucy's the inventor

3153
03:25:15.159 --> 03:25:20.120
of the rat night. I will
judge. Look from Jake, what do

3154
03:25:20.120 --> 03:25:22.000
you explaining to a rat night?
Rat night? I feel like this.

3155
03:25:22.159 --> 03:25:24.799
I know she's talking. I have
talked about it. Things you do.

3156
03:25:26.520 --> 03:25:33.120
Yeah, so whatever you are sitting
like a shrimp is when you're at your

3157
03:25:33.120 --> 03:25:39.040
desk and you're just you know,
like rat night is. It's typically a

3158
03:25:39.120 --> 03:25:43.000
Friday or a Saturday night. You
have no plans. You are wearing your

3159
03:25:43.159 --> 03:25:46.440
worst, sweatpants, no makeup,
greasy hair, you don't shower. You

3160
03:25:46.520 --> 03:25:50.719
get a bottle of wine and a
frozen pizza Newman Zone if you can get

3161
03:25:50.799 --> 03:25:58.120
it my local target, stop selling
it. Riot You play video games,

3162
03:25:58.200 --> 03:26:01.079
you watch the trashiest of trash TV. And that, my friends, is

3163
03:26:01.120 --> 03:26:03.319
a rat night. You don't talk
to anyone, you don't answer your phone,

3164
03:26:03.319 --> 03:26:09.079
you don't go on Twitter. You
just sink into a hole. And

3165
03:26:09.159 --> 03:26:11.000
that is your rat night. It's
good. Sounds like I call it Goblin

3166
03:26:11.120 --> 03:26:20.319
night because Goblin Yeah, that's mine
is the boys I get it starts at

3167
03:26:20.319 --> 03:26:26.280
about six six pm. That's when
I start unwinding. I'll get food,

3168
03:26:26.399 --> 03:26:28.879
chicken wings, from a place called
Halo Wings plus in Shadow and Francisco,

3169
03:26:28.879 --> 03:26:35.159
a big very few Hallo options there. And then I, predictably, I

3170
03:26:35.200 --> 03:26:41.360
will load up a bunch of doxels
and videos I'll say on my couch and

3171
03:26:41.520 --> 03:26:46.200
I'll watch that while eating chicken wings. Again, i will not talk to

3172
03:26:46.319 --> 03:26:50.440
anyone, and then eventually, if
I'm done early, I'll play a game,

3173
03:26:50.879 --> 03:26:54.040
usually Bloodborn. We do to start
ripping episode, but I want to

3174
03:26:54.040 --> 03:27:00.559
hear everyone's answer, So give me
like American psycho face peel, all right,

3175
03:27:01.120 --> 03:27:05.120
his mine is just watching the Sopranos
again. Yeah, it's the good

3176
03:27:05.159 --> 03:27:09.600
TV show to be fair like either
one, just like whack on a random

3177
03:27:09.600 --> 03:27:13.520
episode. You that's the difference between
you and me, because my right night

3178
03:27:13.600 --> 03:27:24.600
TV is like Milf Manner some fake
an equivalent. Oh boy. So for

3179
03:27:24.719 --> 03:27:28.479
me, it's well the fit is
and one basketball shorts hell yeah, and

3180
03:27:28.719 --> 03:27:33.520
Assassin's Creed Brotherhood promo shirt with like
holes in it. Yeah yeah. And

3181
03:27:33.600 --> 03:27:39.840
then it's like Tito's and Soda and
Popeye's Chicken he and Tony Hawks purs getter

3182
03:27:39.879 --> 03:27:46.120
one and two. Ith always I'll
pick the most recent one. So I

3183
03:27:46.319 --> 03:27:50.280
have friends in Tokyo who they're like
sixteen hours ahead of us, I think.

3184
03:27:50.360 --> 03:27:52.319
So when it's like midnight my time
here in La, it's four pm,

3185
03:27:52.319 --> 03:27:54.559
they're getting off work. I'll be
like, hey, I'm gonna go

3186
03:27:54.559 --> 03:27:56.319
to the bed. They're like,
I'm off for work, go get a

3187
03:27:56.360 --> 03:28:01.000
beer. So we're getting a beer
in the sweet. The Venom Trade three

3188
03:28:01.040 --> 03:28:01.879
trailer came out, so we're like, hey, I've never seen Venom.

3189
03:28:03.200 --> 03:28:07.600
If you want to, like,
we're watching Venom. So I'm like in

3190
03:28:07.760 --> 03:28:11.760
also and one shorts and like some
work out. Sure I have not worked

3191
03:28:11.799 --> 03:28:16.680
out and yet and uh probably cracking
and open the beer and watching Venom until

3192
03:28:16.680 --> 03:28:18.959
I pass out. Yeah, you're
maken, be realized. My rat night

3193
03:28:20.040 --> 03:28:24.000
is watching a net with the voice. How about you? K I don't

3194
03:28:24.040 --> 03:28:26.479
know what is with these un one
shirts or shorts? What? Yes?

3195
03:28:26.639 --> 03:28:31.200
Yes, and one short T shirt. And usually it'll consist of me playing

3196
03:28:31.239 --> 03:28:35.479
either Dark Souls three, which is
why I have like hours and it's from

3197
03:28:35.719 --> 03:28:39.360
me, or I'm sitting down and
watching Transformers animated movie with a million times.

3198
03:28:39.440 --> 03:28:43.799
Yeah you just do you cry every
time? No? Buto the music

3199
03:28:43.879 --> 03:28:48.319
the music, yes, sprikes of
the good soundtrack. All right, we

3200
03:28:48.399 --> 03:28:50.959
do got to wrap up this segment. Thanks for your rat night recommendations.

3201
03:28:50.000 --> 03:28:54.840
Everybody. We are going to be
back with one more panel. We'll see,

3202
03:28:54.040 --> 03:28:56.760
We'll see how it's gonna go hang
out with us one more time.

3203
03:28:56.799 --> 03:29:05.879
Thanks this couch, thanks you all
see it a couple of minutes. We've

3204
03:29:05.879 --> 03:29:07.719
spent the last ten minutes teaching the
guests how to use the microphone, so

3205
03:29:07.799 --> 03:29:11.319
we're gonna talk into them this time. I promise you canna talk about video

3206
03:29:11.360 --> 03:29:15.479
games? I guess almost certainly not, although I think there's someone hasn't touched

3207
03:29:15.479 --> 03:29:18.639
the controller before. We're gonna ask
about that. I don't know. I'm

3208
03:29:18.719 --> 03:29:20.639
Jeff Gruff. This is Giant Bob
Day one, Live in Los Angeles,

3209
03:29:20.760 --> 03:29:24.200
giv at night. Thanks for tuning
in all night with us. I'm sure

3210
03:29:24.200 --> 03:29:26.879
you've been watching. This is the
last segment. It may get routy,

3211
03:29:26.959 --> 03:29:31.479
but I got lot lots of responsible
people with me, including Alyssamer Conte,

3212
03:29:31.680 --> 03:29:33.360
Alyssa, how are you doing?
I'm not responsible? Shit? Is this

3213
03:29:33.520 --> 03:29:39.399
working? Can everyone hear me?
Dad? Dad? Hello? Watching?

3214
03:29:39.520 --> 03:29:41.399
He's asleep. It's like one o'clock
sure on the East coast. Yeah,

3215
03:29:41.440 --> 03:29:45.159
I'm here either, gotch How are
you doing? I'm feeling great. Good.

3216
03:29:45.479 --> 03:29:46.959
I got no sleep in the last
twenty four hours. Who needs it?

3217
03:29:48.159 --> 03:29:50.200
But I don't have any kids with
me, so I'm great rock and

3218
03:29:50.280 --> 03:29:52.719
round you. Yeah, well we're
pretty used to not having sleep and anybody

3219
03:29:52.760 --> 03:29:56.239
look without the kids, like,
oh this is easy. It's like it's

3220
03:29:56.280 --> 03:29:58.879
like taking the boots off in Dragon
ball Z exactly. You're speaking of my

3221
03:30:00.239 --> 03:30:03.079
now, yeah, absolutely, Jordan
Midler, Hello, how you doing.

3222
03:30:03.120 --> 03:30:07.200
I'm ready to tell them, as
you know, Yeah, here's okay,

3223
03:30:07.719 --> 03:30:09.680
you're you're taller than I thought.
Yeah. Does everyone say that? Yeah?

3224
03:30:09.879 --> 03:30:13.120
Kind of. People keep keep up
with my social presence so they already

3225
03:30:13.239 --> 03:30:18.159
know. But that's a fake friend. I'm not surprised to you. You

3226
03:30:18.239 --> 03:30:22.360
know what if Mike Manaughty also has
the short man energy online and then he's

3227
03:30:22.360 --> 03:30:28.000
like six sorry also, yes,
yes, that's what that whiles when I

3228
03:30:28.040 --> 03:30:31.920
thought you were taller? Yeah right, yeah, okay, you not happy

3229
03:30:31.000 --> 03:30:33.639
with how that's a start today.
I'm just saying the proportions. When I

3230
03:30:33.639 --> 03:30:37.719
see the pictures, I'm like,
yeah, five ft eight If I was

3231
03:30:37.760 --> 03:30:41.319
five for that's head would be like
you know what it is when we when

3232
03:30:41.360 --> 03:30:43.719
you do gmm, I have to
like make sure everyone's like kind of the

3233
03:30:43.760 --> 03:30:48.000
same size. So I resized everything
from like I just I think a shrinky

3234
03:30:48.079 --> 03:30:50.040
down to like make and that's what
it is, shrink me down personality.

3235
03:30:52.399 --> 03:30:56.399
Rebecca Valentie, How you doing?
I drank too much so Jo last night.

3236
03:30:56.520 --> 03:31:01.440
So I'm just I'm just hanging in
there, clinging. I'm clinging to

3237
03:31:01.600 --> 03:31:05.440
life right now. Glad you came
the last segment tonight. I know.

3238
03:31:05.520 --> 03:31:07.159
Well, I'm a morning person too. I wake up every morning at like

3239
03:31:07.239 --> 03:31:11.440
five forty five and am ready to
go, and I'm in bed. This

3240
03:31:11.600 --> 03:31:16.479
is my bedtime, ten o'clock bedtime. I'm done right now. Night night.

3241
03:31:16.879 --> 03:31:18.479
That's so much I care about you. What's the first thing you said?

3242
03:31:18.520 --> 03:31:20.079
Thank you? I appreciate that.
What's the first thing you do in

3243
03:31:20.120 --> 03:31:24.200
the morning? At five forty five? I turn off my alarm and then

3244
03:31:24.239 --> 03:31:26.360
I check on all my Pokemon and
Pokemon sleep. Yeah, because I'm the

3245
03:31:26.440 --> 03:31:30.600
last to go on the planet.
Still playing night start. How you doing?

3246
03:31:30.840 --> 03:31:33.000
We're out here, we are out
Yes, I'm glad you can make

3247
03:31:33.040 --> 03:31:37.000
it. Thank you for having me
absolutely. Ben Hanson, Hello, thank

3248
03:31:37.040 --> 03:31:39.280
you for having me. We just
realized we just met in person. Well,

3249
03:31:39.639 --> 03:31:43.600
I was puking my guts out at
Dan Records house while you were downstairs.

3250
03:31:43.680 --> 03:31:45.799
Yeah, I put a glass against
the door and I can hear you

3251
03:31:45.879 --> 03:31:50.040
in there. Hello. Hello,
a bond wow? Yeah yeah, like

3252
03:31:50.120 --> 03:31:52.680
a lasting something. Yeah, you
walked past the bathroom that I just destroyed.

3253
03:31:54.000 --> 03:31:56.040
Yeah. I just went to town
on that two ships of the Night,

3254
03:31:56.920 --> 03:31:58.920
pooping the night away exactly. I
still need to send down that side

3255
03:32:00.000 --> 03:32:01.920
autographed to put in that bathroom,
but oh yeah sounds good it eventually.

3256
03:32:03.079 --> 03:32:03.879
Thank you for having me. It's
the first time on the BombCast ever.

3257
03:32:05.399 --> 03:32:11.639
Yeah, yes, David, you
know what. No, never, No,

3258
03:32:11.719 --> 03:32:13.959
it's an honor. It's NEI to
be in the speed. He's really

3259
03:32:13.000 --> 03:32:18.840
pissed off, brat shoemaker. He's
just loved. Don't get it started.

3260
03:32:18.159 --> 03:32:22.319
Yeah all right, So Charles hasn't
touched what an N sixty four controller?

3261
03:32:22.600 --> 03:32:26.520
I've touched one, but what does
that mean? Okay, so I've never

3262
03:32:26.680 --> 03:32:33.920
used one before. My we're cleaning
out my girlfriend's mom's old house and got

3263
03:32:33.079 --> 03:32:39.959
a bob. Okay, well listen, yeah, hold hold like you the

3264
03:32:41.040 --> 03:32:46.079
story. So I assume it's this
right than most. You gotta put your

3265
03:32:46.159 --> 03:32:48.840
thumb on the stick. Yeah,
we found an intuitive controller. Yeah,

3266
03:32:48.920 --> 03:32:54.799
exactly. Girlfriend's dad old n sixty
four, which I've claimed. Now I

3267
03:32:54.879 --> 03:32:58.399
haven't hooked it up yet. This
is current, like this happens in sixty

3268
03:32:58.399 --> 03:33:00.799
It was that like a week ago. Okay, so I own it n

3269
03:33:00.840 --> 03:33:03.040
sixty four. Now I haven't used
it. I picked up the controller and

3270
03:33:03.079 --> 03:33:05.600
I was like, wow, would
anyone use this thing? C there's no

3271
03:33:05.719 --> 03:33:07.719
what you needed for Mario Curely,
no important games came out on the Nintendo

3272
03:33:07.760 --> 03:33:11.399
sixty four, Charles. I may
talk about your age in front of you

3273
03:33:13.120 --> 03:33:16.719
your face. That's great infestered because
last year you had what Sarah p Zorski

3274
03:33:16.760 --> 03:33:20.760
and Jenoicracia Leovator on from min Max
and they're talking about like the younger generation

3275
03:33:20.440 --> 03:33:24.319
and games pressed, like where are
they? You know? Afterwards they're like,

3276
03:33:24.760 --> 03:33:26.520
we were the young people and we're
thirty. That's not a good sign.

3277
03:33:28.079 --> 03:33:31.799
This couch is turning to dust right
now? Is that? Yeah?

3278
03:33:31.840 --> 03:33:35.760
No problem? Whatever you need.
I'm young. What is that bunch of

3279
03:33:35.840 --> 03:33:39.040
sugar cubes? So I'm not sure
on the back of this pillow, like

3280
03:33:39.399 --> 03:33:41.040
a defunct one of those. I'm
sorry, what are we talking about?

3281
03:33:43.360 --> 03:33:45.319
Yeah? I was trying to bring
up you got handed the sugar and you

3282
03:33:45.399 --> 03:33:46.319
took it. It's your responsibility.
Now. I don't know what you want

3283
03:33:46.360 --> 03:33:50.159
me to see. I eat some
sugar. I don't think it's your sugar

3284
03:33:50.239 --> 03:33:54.559
just because you're responsible for it.
That it's a really good point that someone

3285
03:33:54.719 --> 03:33:56.520
brought up your sandwich. You're like, hey, can you hold this?

3286
03:33:56.600 --> 03:33:58.600
You can't just eat the sandwich.
You got to ask beIN. I heard

3287
03:33:58.639 --> 03:34:01.840
you were a mean and you need
that permission for that. Can you delete

3288
03:34:01.840 --> 03:34:03.399
that footage for me? Yeah?
Absolutely, no problem. You don't have

3289
03:34:03.440 --> 03:34:05.639
to send out the sugar or anything. But yeah, yeah, thank you.

3290
03:34:05.639 --> 03:34:09.959
I appreciate that. Yeah, Charles
is a twenty four year old lad.

3291
03:34:11.639 --> 03:34:18.159
I haven't been called a lad.
It feels smaller, okay, twenty

3292
03:34:18.200 --> 03:34:20.079
four dude. When you come to
stuff like this and you see a bunch

3293
03:34:20.120 --> 03:34:24.000
of old bocks, you're like,
man, well they're they're cool old Okay.

3294
03:34:24.040 --> 03:34:28.639
I appreciate that. That's nice.
I recognize you guys. Oh that's

3295
03:34:28.719 --> 03:34:31.079
nice. Yeah. I don't know
when you were like growing up, Like

3296
03:34:31.120 --> 03:34:33.399
what were you watching? What you're
reading? That like made you want to

3297
03:34:33.520 --> 03:34:43.600
do this job? Nikki's my day
one. Yeah, I was always talld.

3298
03:34:43.799 --> 03:34:48.319
Rebecca retweeted the post that made me
apply for an internship at fan Bite,

3299
03:34:48.319 --> 03:34:50.399
which is the reason I'm here now. Charles thanked me for this,

3300
03:34:50.760 --> 03:34:54.559
like I think, like five six
times. Like I just wouldn't. I

3301
03:34:54.559 --> 03:34:58.959
wouldn't have known. I wouldn't have
known. Yeah. No, I I

3302
03:34:58.040 --> 03:35:05.479
read Gaming Former, I watched I
gen. I don't know nothing. I

3303
03:35:05.639 --> 03:35:09.680
wasn't I wasn't like super involved.
I think the game informers I was most

3304
03:35:09.719 --> 03:35:13.719
into. It's just lame because I
work there now. But it's the cool

3305
03:35:13.760 --> 03:35:16.319
thing. Charlie, Yeah, well
you used to work there too. Yeah.

3306
03:35:16.360 --> 03:35:20.600
Game Former is the coolest I know. Someone, someone that is unaffiliate

3307
03:35:20.600 --> 03:35:22.000
with Game Reformer would have to say
it's cool. Here's what he will say.

3308
03:35:22.000 --> 03:35:24.840
Oh yeah, do you have a
favorite game and form of cover?

3309
03:35:24.959 --> 03:35:28.959
Uh? Probably Breath of the Wild. I really liked the Breath of the

3310
03:35:30.000 --> 03:35:33.520
Wild. It's like holding the Masters. And that's like seven years ago you

3311
03:35:33.520 --> 03:35:37.399
would have been in high school.
Kid. Oh my god, that's I

3312
03:35:37.520 --> 03:35:39.319
played that. I played. I'm
gonna make everyone feel awful. I played

3313
03:35:39.319 --> 03:35:46.319
Breath of the Wild and Study Hall. Yeah it sucks. I played.

3314
03:35:46.440 --> 03:35:50.760
I played Bayonetta on the Switch and
my study Hall teacher came over and was

3315
03:35:50.840 --> 03:35:54.920
like, this game sucks, man, Like I thought he was going to

3316
03:35:54.959 --> 03:35:56.920
get me in trouble for playing it
in school, and he was like,

3317
03:35:56.959 --> 03:36:00.520
I played this and I don't like
it a little bit. He's got a

3318
03:36:00.559 --> 03:36:05.719
classic traditional Zelda fan. Well I
was talking about Baying that origins. Okay,

3319
03:36:05.879 --> 03:36:07.879
sure, yeah, he like zee
Yeah, fair enough. The wild

3320
03:36:07.959 --> 03:36:11.120
thing about Game Reformer and I don't
work there, so I can say whatever

3321
03:36:11.159 --> 03:36:13.600
the hell I want, but it's
wild to be there for the first time.

3322
03:36:13.639 --> 03:36:16.680
You can subscribe directly and get game
of print. You guess I'm not

3323
03:36:16.760 --> 03:36:18.479
being paid to say this, but
I just want to put it out there.

3324
03:36:18.879 --> 03:36:22.799
If you want to get a physical
game magazine, you can for a

3325
03:36:22.879 --> 03:36:26.680
year for nineteen dollars. And here's
a secret. Let me keep killing this

3326
03:36:26.760 --> 03:36:28.920
magazine. Okay, wait, you're
not. I'm not, but I'm trying

3327
03:36:28.959 --> 03:36:33.239
to get Charles hired full time tame
format and it relies on people actually doing

3328
03:36:33.319 --> 03:36:35.200
this because the Game Former goes down. This is your last I'm killing me.

3329
03:36:35.280 --> 03:36:39.719
I subscribed, all right, but
like get it for like kids in

3330
03:36:39.760 --> 03:36:43.520
your life, like give them the
gift of a video game magazine Highlights magazine,

3331
03:36:43.520 --> 03:36:45.520
which my kids get. It's horseshit. Yeah, get him game in

3332
03:36:45.559 --> 03:36:48.879
frintr Rick Yeah, dick in here, man, God, I didn't know

3333
03:36:48.920 --> 03:36:52.280
he was going to be the wild
one. Jesus. Do you do you

3334
03:36:52.360 --> 03:36:56.360
subscribe to Highlights magazine? Yes,
Like that's a commitment you've made. Well,

3335
03:36:56.520 --> 03:36:58.959
I mean to be fair, my
mom got it for my kids.

3336
03:36:58.079 --> 03:37:03.120
Okay, yeah, I like when
it shows up. Highlights are still yeah

3337
03:37:03.200 --> 03:37:05.920
kind of I overstated how much it
sucks. But yeah, I've just never

3338
03:37:05.920 --> 03:37:09.120
seen an outside of a dentist's office. Yeah, well I'm a dentist office.

3339
03:37:09.120 --> 03:37:13.680
I didn't I didn't mention that part. Yeah. And uh, you

3340
03:37:13.840 --> 03:37:16.680
so you've never on the couch before? You excited? I know you're giant

3341
03:37:16.760 --> 03:37:20.479
you like Giant Bomb. I mean
I think we're equal fans of Giant Pomp,

3342
03:37:20.479 --> 03:37:22.600
which is very just like the game
form. Like now you work there,

3343
03:37:22.719 --> 03:37:24.639
you get the extra thrill from the
internet, and that's what it's like.

3344
03:37:24.680 --> 03:37:26.079
It is a cool thing. I
think this is a cool thing.

3345
03:37:26.120 --> 03:37:28.959
I'm having a good time. Yeah, thank you for reviving this whole thing.

3346
03:37:28.360 --> 03:37:33.559
Yeah right, it's just fun to
be in this podcast feed hollowed ground

3347
03:37:33.680 --> 03:37:39.280
for fans of video game podcasts.
I suppose you know eh, a little

3348
03:37:39.280 --> 03:37:43.000
bit hollowed, a little hollowed.
Sure, listen, how are you doing

3349
03:37:43.200 --> 03:37:46.920
pretty on a bent full year?
Yeah? Oh yeah, no, no,

3350
03:37:46.920 --> 03:37:50.559
No, everything's super cool, nothing, nothing to write home about.

3351
03:37:52.159 --> 03:37:58.159
Absolutely have not had to scrub my
information from the internet. Sure didn't have

3352
03:37:58.280 --> 03:38:03.239
to remind my father to reload his
gun if anyone shows up at his house

3353
03:38:03.319 --> 03:38:05.600
one of those years. Yeah,
just a totally completely normal year of being

3354
03:38:05.639 --> 03:38:11.840
a woman in gaming. I mean, Okay, is it better or worse

3355
03:38:11.920 --> 03:38:16.559
that you think that was like a
few years ago? Obviously, like it

3356
03:38:16.639 --> 03:38:18.719
feels like we can put them in
their place more than we have in the

3357
03:38:18.760 --> 03:38:22.159
past, right, Yes, and
no, we're in a weird spot because,

3358
03:38:22.200 --> 03:38:26.440
like I think, I think Twitter, like a few years ago was

3359
03:38:26.520 --> 03:38:31.959
like a good space for organizing and
like, I don't know, it just

3360
03:38:33.079 --> 03:38:35.719
like it felt like a space that
you could have conversations in that were like

3361
03:38:35.799 --> 03:38:39.319
pretty well policed. And now you
know, I've reported yeah, thousands of

3362
03:38:39.399 --> 03:38:43.159
tweets that are like, we didn't
find anything wrong with this, and it's

3363
03:38:43.200 --> 03:38:46.959
like they're telling me they're going to
kill me, Like yeah, no,

3364
03:38:46.159 --> 03:38:50.360
sorry, we're not banning this one. So that's a little frustrating. But

3365
03:38:50.479 --> 03:38:56.559
I do think, Yeah, I
think. I think it's probably technically better,

3366
03:38:56.559 --> 03:39:00.799
although it doesn't feel It doesn't feel
imagine. Yeah, no, it

3367
03:39:00.879 --> 03:39:03.479
doesn't feel better. But you know, if anyone's gonna deal with it,

3368
03:39:03.520 --> 03:39:07.639
I'd rather it be me. Yeah, guys want to say me too,

3369
03:39:07.840 --> 03:39:15.120
But what I mean is you're good
at it. Yeah, I can handle

3370
03:39:15.200 --> 03:39:18.840
it clost of the time. Yeah, I can handle it. Ethan,

3371
03:39:18.920 --> 03:39:24.799
How you doing wonderful? I'd love
to hear it. Yeah. How old

3372
03:39:24.799 --> 03:39:28.840
are the kids? They are five, three and five months? Oh wow?

3373
03:39:28.000 --> 03:39:31.639
Okay man? Yeah, having the
third one, how's that? Because

3374
03:39:31.639 --> 03:39:33.200
if I had a third one,
I die. You're gonna get me in

3375
03:39:33.239 --> 03:39:37.440
trouble here. What are you gonna
ask? I'm gonna ask, how do

3376
03:39:37.479 --> 03:39:39.959
you like? How are you alive? Because I'm like, if I literally

3377
03:39:39.000 --> 03:39:41.360
had a third kid, I would
be dead. The third kid is the

3378
03:39:41.399 --> 03:39:46.200
easiest. She's so sweet. What
I was saying to Elyssa earlier is the

3379
03:39:46.360 --> 03:39:50.520
five and three year old just constantly
fight. But then the little todd or

3380
03:39:50.600 --> 03:39:54.879
the little infant is always smiling.
So you're like, oh, one of

3381
03:39:54.879 --> 03:39:58.280
my kids still loves me. It
is not insane and this is oh,

3382
03:39:58.399 --> 03:40:01.559
this is why I'm doing this right
so right now, it's actually pulling us

3383
03:40:01.639 --> 03:40:03.559
back from them. We're like,
Okay, there's some sanity here, there's

3384
03:40:03.559 --> 03:40:07.559
some love. This is beautiful.
You texted me and you were like,

3385
03:40:07.760 --> 03:40:13.239
I went to bed so late because
I had to install four aces, like

3386
03:40:13.440 --> 03:40:16.200
you, you were not sleeping,
my friend. The kids have not been

3387
03:40:16.239 --> 03:40:20.360
sleeping well without the air conditioners.
Yeah. And I had to come to

3388
03:40:20.399 --> 03:40:24.799
Summer game Fest and it was going
to be hot. So everyone's cool now,

3389
03:40:24.920 --> 03:40:26.799
good, nice work. Yeah,
that's that's that's daddy right there,

3390
03:40:28.760 --> 03:40:31.280
right up, daddy. Yeah,
lots of daddy energy. We appreciate that.

3391
03:40:31.040 --> 03:40:35.559
Jordan, how's your daddy energy?
Oh? No, good. I

3392
03:40:35.639 --> 03:40:39.440
don't know, man. I've been
here for like four weeks, so that's

3393
03:40:39.120 --> 03:40:43.760
ten secs. Ye, your friend
and mine. They didn't give me any

3394
03:40:43.799 --> 03:40:48.799
money to like left one here,
but you know, to see game game

3395
03:40:50.040 --> 03:40:54.200
yeah game, yeah, no problem. But yes, Ellie's an interesting place

3396
03:40:54.280 --> 03:40:58.520
because every story I heard was like, oh, it's saitible. It's like

3397
03:40:58.559 --> 03:41:03.159
there's people shetting in the so much
worse. It's like a Disneyland version of

3398
03:41:03.319 --> 03:41:09.040
la but like the most horrible version
of it. Everything's a million pounds and

3399
03:41:09.399 --> 03:41:13.879
that's my partner. But all you
folks are here now, so yeah,

3400
03:41:13.280 --> 03:41:18.000
the fun begins. I'm glad we
could really be the reprieve in a nightmare

3401
03:41:18.200 --> 03:41:22.479
scenario of America apparently. I mean, I've been here so much. I

3402
03:41:22.600 --> 03:41:26.959
was in La with one Alison Marcante
earlier in the year. I'm sorry from

3403
03:41:26.000 --> 03:41:28.680
that too. I bought it.
No, I don't tell that story.

3404
03:41:28.319 --> 03:41:35.159
I bought in big to Mercante stock
and my returns of just being popping out.

3405
03:41:35.639 --> 03:41:41.239
He's the roaring kitty. I've often
been called that. Yeah, it's

3406
03:41:41.280 --> 03:41:43.639
fine, it's nice to see friends
because none of your folks are going to

3407
03:41:43.639 --> 03:41:46.159
come to Scotland. So yeah,
well I used to live a Newcastle.

3408
03:41:46.319 --> 03:41:50.799
Come to you, did Jordan?
You're more of a Jordan than Lucy James.

3409
03:41:52.200 --> 03:41:56.239
That the problem. The problem is
you don't have a nice enough couch.

3410
03:41:56.920 --> 03:42:00.559
You get a real nice couch,
set up, some wood paneling and

3411
03:42:00.680 --> 03:42:05.120
some sugar. You're trying to say, scottis people can't afford Sorry cube anybody,

3412
03:42:05.120 --> 03:42:09.399
it's your responsibility, Ben if you're
touching it to hold it restless.

3413
03:42:09.040 --> 03:42:13.399
It's like it follows an American question, and what context would you possibly need

3414
03:42:13.479 --> 03:42:20.000
a Cuba sugar. Is it sugar
and sugar? It's yeah, but it's

3415
03:42:20.000 --> 03:42:24.440
all laced with ls mice. Yeah, yeah, that's is sugar if you

3416
03:42:24.559 --> 03:42:28.319
just ate dust. Like, what's
going on here? Okay? Is that

3417
03:42:28.399 --> 03:42:31.559
your American question? Yeah? What? What? What's this? What's the

3418
03:42:31.600 --> 03:42:35.479
situation here? Maybe maybe not a
little tea spin of sugar. My understanding

3419
03:42:35.600 --> 03:42:39.079
is the people that I work with
have been handing it to people to see

3420
03:42:39.079 --> 03:42:41.760
if they'll hold it. Okay,
And that's all there is to it.

3421
03:42:43.000 --> 03:42:46.760
Because we're responsible, grown up adults
at giant mom dot com. That show

3422
03:42:46.760 --> 03:42:50.879
has been going quite long for you. Did you? Did you see my

3423
03:42:50.000 --> 03:42:54.159
tea situation? Oh? Yeah?
I mean that's that great bet, doubly

3424
03:42:54.200 --> 03:42:58.000
great bet because it was against Lucy
so fully isn't a bit? I don't

3425
03:42:58.000 --> 03:43:01.920
know how to do tea? Are
you taking the yes? I did?

3426
03:43:03.000 --> 03:43:05.760
I literally the first time I've ever
had tea in my life other than serve

3427
03:43:05.799 --> 03:43:09.399
a mote with the fucking did you? It did the color to change and

3428
03:43:09.440 --> 03:43:15.680
it didn't change the eye on the
pocket. That yeah, I mean,

3429
03:43:16.120 --> 03:43:18.600
okay, top tier dipship thing I've
ever done. I'll min it. Yeah,

3430
03:43:20.200 --> 03:43:22.319
Like, what did you guys not
have any dipship moments. I think

3431
03:43:22.440 --> 03:43:26.479
tea is though, like fundamentally functionally, what do you think it is?

3432
03:43:26.520 --> 03:43:28.079
Well, I know what I mean, I do have I do? I

3433
03:43:28.159 --> 03:43:31.280
said, I drink suvamonte at home
every day, which is literally just loose

3434
03:43:31.360 --> 03:43:33.000
leaf, pour it into a gourd, so I know it's like leaves,

3435
03:43:33.280 --> 03:43:39.399
and but I I assumed that the
packet was would get like saturated, and

3436
03:43:39.520 --> 03:43:43.079
it did not. In fact,
when I opened it up, the tea

3437
03:43:43.079 --> 03:43:48.319
baggs side was bone dry, completely
dry. Yeah. I laughed too while

3438
03:43:48.440 --> 03:43:52.360
crying and hating myself. So yeah, it was wasn't the best moment.

3439
03:43:52.399 --> 03:43:54.719
But yeah, you guys don't have
dip ship moments. No, okay,

3440
03:43:54.799 --> 03:44:01.879
no, ask the internet. I'm
sure I No. You make fun of

3441
03:44:01.920 --> 03:44:05.120
me enough so I'll keep them from
own. I was going to say that

3442
03:44:05.239 --> 03:44:07.319
my story with you is when I
bang when I met When I met you

3443
03:44:07.440 --> 03:44:11.559
in January, and I was not
drinking. I was doing dry January,

3444
03:44:11.200 --> 03:44:16.719
so I was very stoned. And
we were at a we were at a

3445
03:44:16.799 --> 03:44:20.440
thing for Respawn EVM and we were
all having a couple of drinks. I

3446
03:44:20.559 --> 03:44:26.680
was not, and you were showing
us your Halloween costume, which one with

3447
03:44:26.799 --> 03:44:31.200
you. We're talking about pictures,
and were like showing pictures of Halloween coustumes,

3448
03:44:31.360 --> 03:44:33.600
showing how I do Lady Gaga every
year. And then you showed me

3449
03:44:33.959 --> 03:44:39.520
who was it? No, it
was the girl singer. Oh, the

3450
03:44:39.600 --> 03:44:43.600
Belly Eilish costume. Okay, can
you understand why this might make me laugh?

3451
03:44:43.760 --> 03:44:46.760
Because this is a no offense.
This is the funniest thing I've ever

3452
03:44:46.799 --> 03:44:52.319
heard. I'm stoned as fun and
I think he's saying Belly Eilish over and

3453
03:44:52.440 --> 03:44:58.360
over again time Belly Eilish, and
I'm like, every time, belly belly

3454
03:44:58.559 --> 03:45:03.360
Elish, it's funny. That's a
funny like nickname and play on the name

3455
03:45:03.440 --> 03:45:07.440
Billy Eilish. But you were saying
Billy. You were saying Billy Billie Eilish.

3456
03:45:07.600 --> 03:45:13.520
Yeah, every every time I come
on this fucking website when I say

3457
03:45:13.520 --> 03:45:20.719
the latter sex, everyone in the
chat sex sex sex, And honestly,

3458
03:45:20.760 --> 03:45:26.559
I met no no less funny population
than the Americans. You got it.

3459
03:45:26.639 --> 03:45:28.479
You got to diagnose it, and
you did. Your costume is great.

3460
03:45:28.639 --> 03:45:31.479
I used the stick Mike say that, say the stick Mike, a stick

3461
03:45:31.559 --> 03:45:35.000
mic a stock mic steck Mack is
what I heard. Yeah, and I'm

3462
03:45:35.040 --> 03:45:37.239
like, I don't know what you're
saying to me right now. It's been

3463
03:45:37.319 --> 03:45:41.719
a long night. But considering had
walked those coaches, I really don't think

3464
03:45:41.760 --> 03:45:46.719
that my accent would be coming under
such fires. Excuse me, I think

3465
03:45:46.760 --> 03:45:50.680
we need a free Stellar Blade.
Can I got less of the accents that

3466
03:45:50.760 --> 03:45:54.079
I can make fun off, just
to be sure you're not allowed to do

3467
03:45:54.200 --> 03:46:01.399
that. Yeah, YEA love it. I was gonna make this joke before,

3468
03:46:01.440 --> 03:46:03.239
and I can now because the sugar
cups are back. But that's the

3469
03:46:03.319 --> 03:46:07.840
soul of every game that never got
a World premiere. Ground to Dunk in

3470
03:46:07.959 --> 03:46:11.319
the jar. He doesn't do world
premiere anymore. You guys noticed that he

3471
03:46:11.360 --> 03:46:16.399
doesn't do work. He doesn't like
Yeah, I think he said he doesn't

3472
03:46:16.399 --> 03:46:18.239
want to do it. He lost
track to He's like, yeah, I

3473
03:46:18.239 --> 03:46:24.559
don't know what it is. I
think like the World premiere I did too

3474
03:46:24.920 --> 03:46:28.319
just catch phrase even though he doesn't
say it himself, though, I think

3475
03:46:28.319 --> 03:46:31.079
he literally said that they're done saying
because like everything's just an update to an

3476
03:46:31.159 --> 03:46:35.360
update and all that stuff and tempering
expect it was always meaningless. We just

3477
03:46:35.520 --> 03:46:39.520
like the guy saying world was doing
it though, I feel I thought it

3478
03:46:39.600 --> 03:46:41.639
was Xbox Memory Xbox. I think
Xbox has done it. I guess we'll

3479
03:46:41.639 --> 03:46:46.000
find out whatever day. To me, World Premiere is like in line with

3480
03:46:46.120 --> 03:46:50.239
the Peggy eighteen. Yeah, it
used to be the Guy World. It

3481
03:46:50.360 --> 03:46:54.760
might have been the Peggy eighteen guy. He liked those big but big like

3482
03:46:54.600 --> 03:47:00.600
fun to get. Do you know
what the Midway uh extreme sports was called?

3483
03:47:00.920 --> 03:47:07.200
Oh you just the Midway Sports.
That's where I'm gonna end up.

3484
03:47:07.600 --> 03:47:15.000
Lock me up, doctor John Banknocky. Yes, random Midwest sports society sense,

3485
03:47:15.000 --> 03:47:16.879
which makes a lot of sense to
me. Yeah, sentence would be

3486
03:47:16.920 --> 03:47:20.399
careful. Yeah here, I've been
threatened with him tonight. I'll explain that

3487
03:47:20.440 --> 03:47:24.959
tomorrow night. Babi. Yeah,
but it's the whole thing. I got

3488
03:47:24.959 --> 03:47:26.959
a lot of text message. Just
won this couch tonight. Ben Hanson.

3489
03:47:28.159 --> 03:47:31.520
Yeah, how's going over at mid
Max. It's going great. Yeah,

3490
03:47:31.639 --> 03:47:35.639
we're really we're really lucky. You
know, we've been growing since we started

3491
03:47:35.680 --> 03:47:39.600
in twenty nineteen and bringing in more
folks and we feel fingers crossed like we're

3492
03:47:39.639 --> 03:47:43.799
in a pretty good spot. We
feel like we found a little sustainable pocket.

3493
03:47:43.280 --> 03:47:46.200
If you have somebody full time in
Minnesota and then contracted with a bunch

3494
03:47:46.239 --> 03:47:48.879
of other people and go slow and
steady. It seems to be working out.

3495
03:47:50.000 --> 03:47:52.840
You did you took time off for
parental leave? Sure, how'd you

3496
03:47:52.840 --> 03:47:54.760
feel about that before? And then
like when it was done, did it

3497
03:47:54.879 --> 03:47:56.479
like go as well as it could
have or what? Yeah? It was

3498
03:47:56.559 --> 03:48:00.840
fun. It's like it's fun to
use that time for an opportunity to get

3499
03:48:00.879 --> 03:48:01.840
a little bit different of like,
Okay, what would be the most fun

3500
03:48:01.879 --> 03:48:05.680
thing for the audience. It's like, okay, we should bring Kyle Bossman

3501
03:48:05.799 --> 03:48:09.799
out of podcast hosting retirement from Easy
Allies, and so he was the temporary

3502
03:48:09.840 --> 03:48:13.239
host for two months there when I
was gone and stuff. So it's like

3503
03:48:13.280 --> 03:48:16.200
a fun bonus for the community instead
of, I don't know, just being

3504
03:48:16.239 --> 03:48:18.879
a little bit different. So it's
nice to have a pocket of it being

3505
03:48:18.920 --> 03:48:22.680
a good show when Kyle Bosman's hosting
it once. Yeah, but it really

3506
03:48:22.719 --> 03:48:26.719
it stressed me out more than I
thought, Like the parenting thing is wonderful,

3507
03:48:26.040 --> 03:48:28.360
but like, yeah, I just
had this weird feeling like I just

3508
03:48:28.440 --> 03:48:31.719
want to get back to work,
which I guess is a good sign that

3509
03:48:31.799 --> 03:48:35.319
I'm enjoying this whole right, did
I saw Patrick Kleppik wrote about how like

3510
03:48:35.639 --> 03:48:39.360
we all kind of gotten this business
for one reason, and now we're all

3511
03:48:39.440 --> 03:48:43.079
running small businesses and it's how strange
that is. And it's like that was

3512
03:48:43.159 --> 03:48:46.319
never the point of any of this. You must feel that a lot when

3513
03:48:46.319 --> 03:48:48.280
you were on print to leave,
But now you come back, you're running

3514
03:48:48.319 --> 03:48:50.719
things like what's the plan, Like, how do you handle that going forward?

3515
03:48:50.360 --> 03:48:54.760
Numbers wise? Sure, yeah,
let's get at the books right here

3516
03:48:54.840 --> 03:48:58.440
we go. I've got a Google
doc with olim shows No, it is.

3517
03:48:58.520 --> 03:49:01.920
It is a really weird feeling,
like when I'm running pay roll,

3518
03:49:01.959 --> 03:49:05.239
it's like this is up to me. I hope I'm carrying the one here.

3519
03:49:05.079 --> 03:49:07.120
It's just like, you know,
we do like regular check in with

3520
03:49:07.120 --> 03:49:09.520
everybody, so I hope somebody would
raise a hand at some point. It's

3521
03:49:09.559 --> 03:49:13.479
like this seems off for this month. But yeah, it's it's nice.

3522
03:49:13.520 --> 03:49:16.440
It feels you know, I'm the
worst person to talk about it, but

3523
03:49:16.520 --> 03:49:20.479
it seems like people are content working
for mid Max. You know, in

3524
03:49:20.559 --> 03:49:22.760
the community, we do like surveys
and they seem happy too. So it's

3525
03:49:22.799 --> 03:49:26.399
just like lighting's gonna hit us at
some point. But right now, it

3526
03:49:26.520 --> 03:49:28.079
just feels like we've got a good
pocket roll in here, you know.

3527
03:49:28.319 --> 03:49:31.479
Yeah, and when you know,
you guys do that like new new new

3528
03:49:31.760 --> 03:49:33.760
show plus. Is that what it's
called. Yeah, yeah, I like

3529
03:49:33.840 --> 03:49:35.959
that a lot. That's such a
good idea. Like how often do you

3530
03:49:37.000 --> 03:49:39.280
guys actually like take one of those
shows that's a new idea and it like

3531
03:49:39.479 --> 03:49:41.959
turns to do a long term thing. Yeah, well that's the fun thing

3532
03:49:43.040 --> 03:49:46.000
is never So the way in noucial
plus works, this is two pitches,

3533
03:49:46.040 --> 03:49:50.159
So anybody can hand me a sugarcoat
cube or interruct me and anybody don't encourage

3534
03:49:50.159 --> 03:49:52.639
them. Oh sorry, I know. The idea is like we pitch four

3535
03:49:52.719 --> 03:49:56.959
shows every week and then we let
people that our patron supporters vote for which

3536
03:49:56.159 --> 03:50:00.920
show we create or continue, and
then if it wins, then we keep

3537
03:50:01.000 --> 03:50:05.959
that show rolling. So it's like
this constant evolving thing for just weird ideas,

3538
03:50:05.200 --> 03:50:07.920
we'll have like a weird one off
joke. And I'm not pointing fingers

3539
03:50:07.959 --> 03:50:11.520
at anybody in this room. I'm
looking right at the ceiling. But listen

3540
03:50:11.520 --> 03:50:13.239
to a lot of video game podcasts
and it's always like, you know,

3541
03:50:13.280 --> 03:50:15.319
what we should do, wouldn't it
be funny if we did this show?

3542
03:50:15.520 --> 03:50:16.680
It's like, yeah, do it
as the audience. I'm really try it.

3543
03:50:16.760 --> 03:50:20.200
He's pointing to me, Yeah,
a little bit. And that's a

3544
03:50:20.239 --> 03:50:22.000
nice thing about new show Plus,
Like, yeah, we can put in

3545
03:50:22.040 --> 03:50:24.120
the poll. If it wins,
sure, we've got a couple hours to

3546
03:50:24.200 --> 03:50:26.360
turn it around and give it a
whirl and if it works out well,

3547
03:50:26.440 --> 03:50:31.479
then we'll keep it rolling the next
week until eventually enthusiasm will fade, it'll

3548
03:50:31.520 --> 03:50:33.799
lose the vote, and then the
community can't be mad at us for like

3549
03:50:33.879 --> 03:50:35.719
bring the show back. It's like, you didn't vote for it, right,

3550
03:50:35.879 --> 03:50:37.639
it's sunseted forever? Do you guys
grow attached to the shows everything.

3551
03:50:37.680 --> 03:50:39.440
We're like, wish you could bring
them back? Yeah, for sure.

3552
03:50:39.520 --> 03:50:43.719
Like we had one where it was
called house Hunter Rise where we're just looking

3553
03:50:43.719 --> 03:50:48.200
at weird Zillow listings as a whole
idea. Remember this, and that went

3554
03:50:48.280 --> 03:50:50.680
for a long time and it was
super fun. Then eventually it died.

3555
03:50:50.719 --> 03:50:52.719
Now we're all itching, like we
should do that. But then you know,

3556
03:50:54.280 --> 03:50:56.360
Kenneth from thirty Rock is basically doing
it on HBO. Now it's like,

3557
03:50:56.399 --> 03:51:00.719
okay, that was basically our show. That's fine. We can't claim

3558
03:51:00.879 --> 03:51:05.760
Zillow as ours. No, yeah, Charles, how things a Game Informer.

3559
03:51:07.079 --> 03:51:11.200
They're good, we're chilling. I
was not. I was so ready

3560
03:51:11.239 --> 03:51:16.879
for you to ask me about mid
Max that I want to share a GYP

3561
03:51:16.920 --> 03:51:18.319
ship moment I had other than the
one just now, I love you so

3562
03:51:18.399 --> 03:51:22.079
much? And does them are there
two ends in mid Max because of Minnesota?

3563
03:51:22.280 --> 03:51:26.639
Yeah? Yeah, I didn't know
that. I just thought it was

3564
03:51:26.760 --> 03:51:30.760
fun. I didn't. I was
like, yeah, they're just wacky over

3565
03:51:30.799 --> 03:51:33.879
there. Max. Well, certainly
mind Max with one end was taken,

3566
03:51:33.440 --> 03:51:37.159
so we had that was after the
fact by a consulting firm like Jeff Green

3567
03:51:37.399 --> 03:51:41.719
started mid Max with one end,
so I actually got I went to a

3568
03:51:41.799 --> 03:51:46.200
meeting at GDC with a PR agency
and they thought we were the consulting firm.

3569
03:51:46.319 --> 03:51:48.479
Oh really. It was very fun, like no, no, no,

3570
03:51:48.799 --> 03:51:52.639
we just talked about games. Thank
you. But game Form is good.

3571
03:51:52.120 --> 03:51:58.159
Uh. Shout out to the troops
at home covering the events from there.

3572
03:51:58.239 --> 03:52:03.479
I've got Brian and Alex from game
Form where they're here somewhere. I

3573
03:52:03.479 --> 03:52:07.479
haven't seen him yet, but we'll
be convening in such But uh, yeah,

3574
03:52:07.559 --> 03:52:09.959
I think. I mean, I
feel like Ben. I felt kind

3575
03:52:09.959 --> 03:52:13.040
of weird because he was pitching the
magazines subciptions really are and it has been

3576
03:52:13.079 --> 03:52:18.319
like really cool to do that.
I think like a lot of times we'll

3577
03:52:18.319 --> 03:52:22.280
post something on social media and the
top comment will be like game Informers still

3578
03:52:22.319 --> 03:52:26.319
around. That's not what I wanted
you to get from our exclusive cover story.

3579
03:52:26.360 --> 03:52:30.440
A long hour meeting about how you
can write the headline, different people

3580
03:52:30.520 --> 03:52:33.200
getting the wrong ideas, and it's
like constant. So just the fact that

3581
03:52:33.280 --> 03:52:35.280
it was like it turned from Game
and Former still around, So like Game

3582
03:52:35.280 --> 03:52:39.559
and Former still around and I'm gonna
buy it now. And then like seeing

3583
03:52:39.399 --> 03:52:43.040
I don't know, pictures of people
getting the physical magazine, I was like,

3584
03:52:43.200 --> 03:52:46.520
oh yeah, sick dude. And
I like I write words on paper.

3585
03:52:46.600 --> 03:52:48.200
I'm like, I'm an author,
author. And now there's like a

3586
03:52:48.280 --> 03:52:54.399
direct line for like game stop.
We think this magazine matters, Please keep

3587
03:52:54.440 --> 03:52:56.520
them around. And so if that
money is not going in there, it's

3588
03:52:56.559 --> 03:52:58.319
not a good sign for GameStop.
Who. I don't know if you noticed

3589
03:52:58.360 --> 03:53:01.600
this is not doing well? Oh
really I haven't heard it. Yeah,

3590
03:53:01.680 --> 03:53:05.319
sorry, sorry. So we could
just show them the game formers important parts

3591
03:53:05.360 --> 03:53:07.360
of their library. I feel like
it's a good for it seems like their

3592
03:53:07.399 --> 03:53:09.760
business now is just waiting for the
stock to go up and then selling a

3593
03:53:09.799 --> 03:53:13.440
lot of that stock that could be
waiting for that kitty fellow to Yeah,

3594
03:53:13.520 --> 03:53:18.159
just yeah, the kitty fellow.
Yeah. How you doing, Rebecca?

3595
03:53:18.280 --> 03:53:26.200
What a year? You know?
You know, I mean it's what you

3596
03:53:26.280 --> 03:53:30.040
know. We've got like a live
show going on down the street or something

3597
03:53:30.120 --> 03:53:31.920
here that's pretty fun. Where is
that going? It's I like that space

3598
03:53:31.959 --> 03:53:35.399
a lot we did did you be
something? There's something there last year and

3599
03:53:35.440 --> 03:53:37.159
it was a good time. Yeah, it's it's really interesting. You know,

3600
03:53:37.200 --> 03:53:39.920
I have very little to do with
it. Sure, I'm like floating

3601
03:53:39.959 --> 03:53:45.440
around somewhere doing newsy things. I'm
going to be on the Nintendo panel tomorrow,

3602
03:53:45.479 --> 03:53:46.360
so I'll get a little taste of
it. But you know, it's

3603
03:53:46.520 --> 03:53:50.200
it's like a little tiny packs,
and I mean little tiny like it's we're

3604
03:53:50.200 --> 03:53:54.559
smaller scope right, Like we're not
trying to be packs. But that's kind

3605
03:53:54.600 --> 03:53:56.559
of what it feels like. It's
nice. It's our first year doing it.

3606
03:53:56.680 --> 03:53:58.520
Like we had a decent crowd today. People seem like they were having

3607
03:53:58.600 --> 03:54:01.959
fun. I walked in and saw
my colleague Seth made it pouncing up and

3608
03:54:03.040 --> 03:54:05.760
down, on stage wearing a bright
silver suit, and a bunch of people

3609
03:54:05.879 --> 03:54:09.040
dressed like little border Borderlands fellows were
dancing around him. At one point,

3610
03:54:09.200 --> 03:54:13.639
I was I was working upstairs and
I saw clap Trap just go by,

3611
03:54:13.159 --> 03:54:16.760
all right, So yeah, I
think he canceled on us. Actually,

3612
03:54:16.760 --> 03:54:20.520
we were gonna get him here.
I'm so sorry I stole you know,

3613
03:54:20.559 --> 03:54:28.680
media competition, yea, oh my
gosh. But yeah, it's interesting.

3614
03:54:28.799 --> 03:54:33.000
I I, I don't really know
anything about how anybody is getting that done,

3615
03:54:33.040 --> 03:54:35.840
but I know that I work with
like some of the coolest fricking people.

3616
03:54:35.840 --> 03:54:37.879
I mean we're talking about like small
media outlets and like you all are

3617
03:54:39.040 --> 03:54:43.799
freaking revolutionizing, you know, trying
to figure out how anyone continues to exist

3618
03:54:43.879 --> 03:54:46.319
in this space. And then I'm
over here at the big website. You

3619
03:54:46.360 --> 03:54:50.479
know, we're still chucking along and
try it, trying to do our thing

3620
03:54:50.559 --> 03:54:52.879
as best we can't do honestly.
That is like I noticed it, like

3621
03:54:52.959 --> 03:54:56.920
I like showed up and like like
all this decoration was done, and I

3622
03:54:56.200 --> 03:54:58.639
was never in a meeting about that. This is great, this just happened.

3623
03:54:58.680 --> 03:55:01.200
It's a nice wh nic stuff can
happen still, So yeah, yeah,

3624
03:55:01.239 --> 03:55:05.200
and I've had a really cool year
of getting to know my coworkers like

3625
03:55:05.360 --> 03:55:09.440
a lot better than I ever would
have otherwise, including people in departments I

3626
03:55:09.479 --> 03:55:20.239
don't don't normally work with because like
we unionized and you can't do how But

3627
03:55:20.399 --> 03:55:24.280
yeah, but as a result,
I'm now like talking I'm talking to people

3628
03:55:24.280 --> 03:55:28.120
who work in like the branded department. I'm talking to people who work over

3629
03:55:28.440 --> 03:55:31.879
in like I don't know, like
like commerce and not in like not in

3630
03:55:31.959 --> 03:55:33.559
like a weird like church and state
separation kind of way. But it's like,

3631
03:55:33.559 --> 03:55:35.639
hey, like, what what is
your job? Like? What do

3632
03:55:35.719 --> 03:55:39.399
you do every day? Like?
What what things suck about your job?

3633
03:55:39.440 --> 03:55:43.600
What things are amazing about your job? Like actually opening those channels and talking

3634
03:55:43.639 --> 03:55:46.600
to people about what work is like. And suddenly it turns out you find

3635
03:55:46.600 --> 03:55:48.159
out you have way more in common
than you ever thought you did with people

3636
03:55:48.159 --> 03:55:52.200
who do wildly different things. I
have a take. Yeah, I'm just

3637
03:55:52.239 --> 03:55:54.319
gonna throw it out there. Let's
hear right, I'm just gonna test this

3638
03:55:56.479 --> 03:56:01.000
obviously huge admire of the church and
state separation between the side of the business

3639
03:56:01.079 --> 03:56:03.079
and the business side of the business. Sure, who is it? Very

3640
03:56:03.120 --> 03:56:07.280
important? I also think on occasion
the business side of the business likes to

3641
03:56:09.079 --> 03:56:11.680
keep secret the business side of the
business, so that on the journalism side

3642
03:56:11.680 --> 03:56:13.639
of the business, you have no
idea what's going on. And it's like,

3643
03:56:13.760 --> 03:56:16.959
oh, well, you know,
things aren't going so well. We

3644
03:56:16.040 --> 03:56:20.159
got to cut some of the some
of the staff, an editorial or you

3645
03:56:20.239 --> 03:56:22.760
know, it's it's just real tight
that ad package fell through. And then

3646
03:56:22.920 --> 03:56:26.360
you realize, actually, we're all
kind of on the same boat and could

3647
03:56:26.399 --> 03:56:31.000
be pulling in the same direction as
opposed to everyone feeling like you're competing against

3648
03:56:31.000 --> 03:56:33.319
each other. Yeah, and like, oh, you know, fucking editorial.

3649
03:56:33.319 --> 03:56:35.760
They don't respect us, they're not
you know, they think that we're

3650
03:56:35.840 --> 03:56:39.360
just over here, like you know, doing dumb stuff. And I find

3651
03:56:39.399 --> 03:56:41.639
that you don't need to know everything
that's going on. But when people on

3652
03:56:41.680 --> 03:56:46.000
different levels of the company are talking
to each other, you actually get a

3653
03:56:46.079 --> 03:56:48.600
much better sense of what's going on, and there's you build trust, and

3654
03:56:48.760 --> 03:56:52.639
there are certain forces within a company
that don't always like to foster trust among

3655
03:56:54.639 --> 03:56:56.040
the workers. Yeah. Also,
like the you know, the church state

3656
03:56:56.079 --> 03:57:00.799
separation thing, it's like I know
what to do, like I know what,

3657
03:57:01.040 --> 03:57:03.280
Like I could talk to people and
have a full understanding about like where

3658
03:57:03.360 --> 03:57:05.360
the line is and be able to
like respect that that's it's not that much

3659
03:57:05.399 --> 03:57:07.559
of a concern at this point,
like I just won't do the things I'm

3660
03:57:07.600 --> 03:57:11.680
not gonna do, Like that's gonna
be the way it is. And then

3661
03:57:11.920 --> 03:57:13.399
having a conversations with people said,
like you said, actually know what's going

3662
03:57:13.479 --> 03:57:16.520
on. It's very illuminating most of
the time about like hey, what is

3663
03:57:16.559 --> 03:57:20.319
possible, like what these what kind
of money actually is coming in? So

3664
03:57:20.479 --> 03:57:22.920
yeah, and then you're like,
oh, well there's no money left.

3665
03:57:22.920 --> 03:57:24.479
You're like, well, you could
have told me this sooner, maybe I

3666
03:57:24.479 --> 03:57:26.840
could have done something instead of just
being at the end as well, you

3667
03:57:26.840 --> 03:57:28.239
don't need to know that, just
go right, go write the blogs.

3668
03:57:28.799 --> 03:57:31.760
And when you're when you're in an
organization, you know we we are we

3669
03:57:31.840 --> 03:57:35.319
are big. Igan is big,
like the Union is roughly in the bigger

3670
03:57:35.360 --> 03:57:39.360
every day Yeah, I mean the
Union is roughly in the vicinity of like

3671
03:57:39.479 --> 03:57:48.639
eighty eighties. But it's it's resounds
that like when you have that many people,

3672
03:57:48.799 --> 03:57:52.040
everybody's getting sort of a different piece
of the puzzle, like like business

3673
03:57:52.079 --> 03:57:56.280
wise, or or like like why
things are even happening at the company,

3674
03:57:56.360 --> 03:58:00.639
And you find out sometimes things that
you think suck ass are happening because of

3675
03:58:00.719 --> 03:58:03.520
like total just like human normal misunderstandings, like you just didn't communicate and you

3676
03:58:03.559 --> 03:58:07.840
can talk through things and solve problems
together. And yeah, it turns out

3677
03:58:07.879 --> 03:58:09.319
when we all push the boulder in
the same direction, it really does move.

3678
03:58:09.559 --> 03:58:13.079
But then sometimes yeah, like you
come to this common ground of like,

3679
03:58:13.200 --> 03:58:15.719
oh, actually we all have the
same problems and they're all coming from

3680
03:58:15.719 --> 03:58:18.920
the same place, and maybe there's
something we can do about that together.

3681
03:58:18.079 --> 03:58:22.920
It's just it's cool. It's cool. I freaky love my coworkers. Right,

3682
03:58:24.399 --> 03:58:31.639
what's the best Taylor Swift album?
Well, now here Gorge you actually

3683
03:58:31.639 --> 03:58:35.159
put me on the spot there,
and nineteen eighty nine very good. I

3684
03:58:35.159 --> 03:58:39.360
would maybe say nineteen eighty nine or
Folklore and the new one's met. But

3685
03:58:41.040 --> 03:58:45.159
do you think that new one's going
to grow on you? I know she's

3686
03:58:45.239 --> 03:58:52.719
in Scotland right now, and I'm
not so fuck her. She has people

3687
03:58:52.760 --> 03:58:58.200
in this building. I've said things
publicly about people and then met them and

3688
03:58:58.319 --> 03:59:01.319
had to be like nice to them. Me, you don't really care.

3689
03:59:01.440 --> 03:59:05.360
So yeah, I'm considering I'm sitting
next to someone who will probably like own

3690
03:59:05.399 --> 03:59:09.840
me in a couple of years.
I've got to I've got to behave myself

3691
03:59:09.000 --> 03:59:15.079
well, not not read personally,
but like as if Davis is Jordan Midler

3692
03:59:15.239 --> 03:59:18.959
next year. Now we're fine.
I probably shouldn't have one, but fucking

3693
03:59:20.000 --> 03:59:24.000
Andy's these beds, so he's not
going to watch this. He's an old

3694
03:59:24.040 --> 03:59:28.760
man. He's probably sitting in the
j W right now going that fucking Jordan's

3695
03:59:28.760 --> 03:59:37.879
made. But yeah, he didn't
ask. But vgc's going well eventually.

3696
03:59:37.159 --> 03:59:43.200
Yeah, it's it's really nice being
here and so many people being like,

3697
03:59:43.239 --> 03:59:45.799
oh, VGC, I love your
stuff, and I like, you're fucking

3698
03:59:45.879 --> 03:59:48.879
definitely not talking about me, although
Scoops and Ship it's him. It's the

3699
03:59:48.200 --> 03:59:52.440
it's the Cockney guy. But yeah, all going well. And the only

3700
03:59:52.639 --> 03:59:58.239
issue I have is I wish that
this lot the wo Karate were on the

3701
03:59:58.280 --> 04:00:01.200
same time zone as me so we
could do sh together, because this all

3702
04:00:01.319 --> 04:00:03.399
was like, by the time you
guys are awake, it's like four o'clock

3703
04:00:03.440 --> 04:00:07.239
in the afternoon, and that's drinking
time seventeen hundred somewhere as a great mine

3704
04:00:07.280 --> 04:00:11.840
one said, And so yeah,
that's the best tweets I pop off is

3705
04:00:11.879 --> 04:00:15.760
when I'm when I've had a couple. Yeah, well I'm not. I

3706
04:00:15.799 --> 04:00:18.440
get bound from tour quite frequently.
Jellous of you guys all the time,

3707
04:00:18.520 --> 04:00:22.959
because I feel like the games industry
out there is like in the media industry,

3708
04:00:24.000 --> 04:00:28.239
and the games industry out there is
so tightly intertwined because it's smaller geogree

3709
04:00:28.760 --> 04:00:31.319
like ten miles away. Yeah,
it gets drunk together and here, like

3710
04:00:31.479 --> 04:00:35.159
you know, have barely see each
other. Half y'all are up in New

3711
04:00:35.239 --> 04:00:37.760
York. The rest of us are
scattered around California, and then the rest

3712
04:00:37.799 --> 04:00:39.360
are scattered all over the middle of
the everything. A bunch of you were

3713
04:00:39.399 --> 04:00:45.920
in Minnesota for some reason, slam
everybody. Yeah to move to Kansas City

3714
04:00:46.000 --> 04:00:48.920
with me, and so like yeah, we just we never we see each

3715
04:00:48.959 --> 04:00:50.840
other like twice a year us this
couch. Then get really excited, we

3716
04:00:50.879 --> 04:00:54.000
get really tired, we get really
dropped, and then we leave. That

3717
04:00:54.159 --> 04:00:56.319
is why, like this is fun, Like yeah, yeah, we can

3718
04:00:56.319 --> 04:00:58.799
get like everybody together on the couch, hang out and talk about stuff.

3719
04:00:58.840 --> 04:01:07.159
Yeah. Yeah, is Ohio the
place to be? Uh there? Like,

3720
04:01:07.239 --> 04:01:09.360
who do you got in Ohio these
days? Do you got we had

3721
04:01:09.399 --> 04:01:16.000
the logan Paul and Jake Paul they
left the starting point. Robert Cleveland I

3722
04:01:16.079 --> 04:01:20.760
think was there for a while.
Uh, that's about it. Yeah,

3723
04:01:20.799 --> 04:01:24.959
the mez we did me, I
don't know. Do we have them all

3724
04:01:24.000 --> 04:01:28.559
wrestlers living always have the men,
We always have them as Yeah. They

3725
04:01:28.639 --> 04:01:33.159
go to states without income tax hell
yeah brother, Yeah, I'm not paid

3726
04:01:33.200 --> 04:01:37.639
any No, that's the most well
because not paid taxes. Yeah. Was

3727
04:01:37.639 --> 04:01:41.959
say, we did a poll to
determine where the next MAX community meet up

3728
04:01:41.040 --> 04:01:43.600
was going to be. Uh,
and we chowed we down to like seven

3729
04:01:43.639 --> 04:01:46.959
cities. The patrons supporters vote.
Actor in Ohio came in second. Yeah,

3730
04:01:48.000 --> 04:01:50.040
I was surprised. Tell me what
was one vocus I should have voted.

3731
04:01:50.079 --> 04:01:52.639
I'm a patron support. It was
close. You could have made a

3732
04:01:52.639 --> 04:01:56.280
difference. Yeah, But they were
talking about there's a a blimp hanger,

3733
04:01:56.399 --> 04:01:58.200
a functioning blimp. There's like a
place. Yeah, like we don't have

3734
04:01:58.280 --> 04:02:03.600
a run down there, we don't
have a lot, so it's like we

3735
04:02:03.639 --> 04:02:05.399
do have to like, oh that
we put a blimp inside of building,

3736
04:02:05.479 --> 04:02:07.440
come and find that and like who
do you want to see that? We

3737
04:02:07.479 --> 04:02:11.879
have the rock and Roll Hall of
Fame because rock and roll was not invented

3738
04:02:11.920 --> 04:02:16.200
in Cleveland. It definitely was not. It was perfected there. Yeah,

3739
04:02:16.280 --> 04:02:18.479
but Drew Carrey show, right,
Drew Carrey Show. Yeah, he invented

3740
04:02:18.520 --> 04:02:24.559
football, yes, American football.
Oh my god, christ oh boy.

3741
04:02:26.120 --> 04:02:28.120
Okay, what's the plan for like
the rest of the weekend. You guys

3742
04:02:28.159 --> 04:02:31.200
are excited about x Do you want
to know the whole Expokes show. Yeah,

3743
04:02:33.319 --> 04:02:39.399
here's my schedule and all the embargoes. Yeah, look, not gonna

3744
04:02:39.399 --> 04:02:41.719
tell tales out school. But I
think, oh, okay, that's just

3745
04:02:41.959 --> 04:02:46.200
I'm gonna my bets. We're hedging
together, broten together because we're looking at

3746
04:02:46.239 --> 04:02:50.159
each other's eyes and we know,
yeah, Sam sounds like weird, Sony,

3747
04:02:50.520 --> 04:02:54.040
like come on, damn. Like
I think it's gonna be like a

3748
04:02:54.079 --> 04:02:56.840
lot of Xbox shows. Everyone's going
to be coming off of it high and

3749
04:02:56.879 --> 04:03:00.600
then two weeks are gonna be like, wait a second, we met about

3750
04:03:00.719 --> 04:03:03.079
something else. Yes, it'll be
I mean, okay, I guess that

3751
04:03:03.200 --> 04:03:05.559
is the question. I guess think
like Xbox turns around the current like sort

3752
04:03:05.600 --> 04:03:09.639
of nose dive and any No,
but it'll be a good show like Xboxes.

3753
04:03:09.879 --> 04:03:13.280
Oh god, all the Xbox green
haircuts are in my fucking hotel.

3754
04:03:13.280 --> 04:03:18.600
I can't say this, but like
unless a miracle happens, like it's it's

3755
04:03:18.680 --> 04:03:22.000
on the way down and out eventually, like there will be a time when

3756
04:03:22.479 --> 04:03:26.520
Phil leaves and then sat In Adela
goes. Let's see it will be that

3757
04:03:26.639 --> 04:03:30.440
Sam. Let's let's fucking not bother
with that, which would be a shame

3758
04:03:30.479 --> 04:03:33.639
because then Sony will become ship and
then it or shitter, depends how you

3759
04:03:33.680 --> 04:03:37.120
feel about it. But I want
a strong Xbox. I want a really

3760
04:03:37.159 --> 04:03:41.079
strong Xbox. I'm a Gears of
War two stan as they say, and

3761
04:03:41.200 --> 04:03:46.840
another Xbox fans hate me and fair
because I say bad things about your games

3762
04:03:46.719 --> 04:03:52.799
and you are insufferable on Twitter.
However, we want a strong Xbox.

3763
04:03:52.799 --> 04:04:00.520
There's no Xbox tax. I don't
believe in tax tax. We want Here's

3764
04:04:00.639 --> 04:04:05.239
War back strong, I bet you
see on Sunday. We want Halo.

3765
04:04:05.639 --> 04:04:07.799
Bet you don't see that for a
long time. You don't see that one.

3766
04:04:07.879 --> 04:04:16.000
And we want those Dorito's games back. And then enough of that.

3767
04:04:16.120 --> 04:04:20.959
Thanks. You know what I want, what you really really want. I

3768
04:04:20.079 --> 04:04:26.040
want people in the industry to be
a little bit louder about people being mean

3769
04:04:26.120 --> 04:04:31.680
to other people and maybe say it's
not a good thing. Maybe say we

3770
04:04:31.760 --> 04:04:35.280
don't want you around if you're going
to be a cunt, yeah, and

3771
04:04:35.399 --> 04:04:43.159
hateful, And that the games industry
is diverse naturally, not because anyone's making

3772
04:04:43.200 --> 04:04:50.280
them be diverse, because the world
is diverse, stupid motherfucker. And if

3773
04:04:50.319 --> 04:04:56.280
you have a problem with that,
come fight me physically. Didn't want to

3774
04:04:56.280 --> 04:05:01.040
take you up on that yet.
No, that's just why I expected the

3775
04:05:01.079 --> 04:05:07.440
show to be from the start.
We're gonna make it all about that,

3776
04:05:07.559 --> 04:05:11.000
because they're all sitting there with their
fucking dicks at a half chub, ready

3777
04:05:11.040 --> 04:05:16.000
to fucking go. They're talking about
me, talking about me. You're gonna

3778
04:05:16.040 --> 04:05:18.959
like, wait, we're all gonna
wake up tomorrow and they're gonna be like,

3779
04:05:18.600 --> 04:05:22.200
honey, please come to bed.
They're like not, No, it's

3780
04:05:22.239 --> 04:05:26.399
gonna be like some once tangentially mentioned
me sort of kind of. It's gonna

3781
04:05:26.440 --> 04:05:30.680
be like twenty YouTube videos that are
gonna have all of our faces on them.

3782
04:05:37.239 --> 04:05:41.239
He's a show for me. Did
you know that? Sim for me?

3783
04:05:41.600 --> 04:05:48.040
He's simps for me? All right, Yeah, it really got I

3784
04:05:48.079 --> 04:05:50.520
mean I at this point, I'm
like, when I deal with these people,

3785
04:05:50.600 --> 04:05:54.879
now, I do just ignore them
and they go away so fast they

3786
04:05:54.959 --> 04:05:56.479
do. But then they don't.
I mean it depends on like if they've

3787
04:05:56.479 --> 04:06:01.120
picked one person and it turns out
it's usually it's usually a woman. That's

3788
04:06:01.120 --> 04:06:03.040
why exactly, that's what good Like
they disappear and I'm like that that is

3789
04:06:03.079 --> 04:06:05.840
why. Because they I am they
target that they don't make them money.

3790
04:06:07.079 --> 04:06:11.239
I am their kryptonite. Yes,
I am smart, hot, slutty,

3791
04:06:11.879 --> 04:06:15.120
good at my job and I don't
shut the fuck up. Yep. And

3792
04:06:15.200 --> 04:06:18.399
they're like, I want to fucking
your gulf door, but I also want

3793
04:06:18.440 --> 04:06:20.360
to kill her. Like they literally
don't know what I mean. It's it

3794
04:06:20.479 --> 04:06:24.239
is just hating women. It is
just truly, and I think really briefly

3795
04:06:24.280 --> 04:06:26.200
and then you guys can do whatever
you want. I just want to.

3796
04:06:26.319 --> 04:06:28.799
I have a very quick segue that
is very important to me. We got

3797
04:06:28.879 --> 04:06:33.600
to raise some money. Yeah,
I have gotten from a sympathetic party,

3798
04:06:35.079 --> 04:06:41.959
a former developer on a failed game
called Firefall. He has sent me all

3799
04:06:41.079 --> 04:06:43.079
of the merch. Is this inside
out? No, it's better it was

3800
04:06:43.120 --> 04:06:48.879
a StarCraft logo. Yes, all
of the merch that you got if you

3801
04:06:48.000 --> 04:06:54.040
worked at Firefall ten years ago.
I have Letterman's jackets, I have dev

3802
04:06:54.280 --> 04:06:56.879
button downs, I have stuffed animals
all that stuff. That's crazy. I

3803
04:06:58.040 --> 04:07:01.079
have a beer fucking glass and we're
going to be auctioning it off for trans

3804
04:07:01.239 --> 04:07:09.280
Lifeline and you can suck me from
the back for free, but you got

3805
04:07:09.399 --> 04:07:13.360
to pay money for this. So
I will model it. Maybe I'll wear

3806
04:07:13.399 --> 04:07:16.440
one of them when I work out, and you can pay extra for it.

3807
04:07:16.920 --> 04:07:20.600
But we're going to be auctioning off
all of this shit for charity.

3808
04:07:20.840 --> 04:07:24.120
After I get back from SGF.
I have all of this, and all

3809
04:07:24.159 --> 04:07:26.440
the Firefall fans out there are just
going to be losing it for this.

3810
04:07:26.879 --> 04:07:31.799
I'm not the only one that had
never heard those game and my life for

3811
04:07:33.520 --> 04:07:39.719
you do you know this deal with
Firefall? Like six year old person tried

3812
04:07:39.760 --> 04:07:43.840
to make a game, didn't make
a game, blew a bunch of money

3813
04:07:43.920 --> 04:07:48.879
on a sperm shaped bus from West
Coast Customs, then it failed. But

3814
04:07:48.959 --> 04:07:50.799
the people who worked on that game
were great people from what I understand and

3815
04:07:52.000 --> 04:07:54.799
from what I've heard, they are
sympathetic to the cause and they also think

3816
04:07:54.879 --> 04:07:58.000
that he is a twat. So
we are going to raise money for this

3817
04:07:58.360 --> 04:08:01.959
for trans charity because they're assholes and
I want to do something good for this,

3818
04:08:03.239 --> 04:08:05.799
So yeah, that's beautiful. We're
gonna post this once I get back

3819
04:08:05.840 --> 04:08:09.000
from my trip. But I have
so much shit. I have so much

3820
04:08:09.200 --> 04:08:11.120
I want to see the Letterman jacket. That's fine. Well, the Letterman

3821
04:08:11.200 --> 04:08:13.079
jacket is kind of fire of fire
real quick. Guys. Gotta say we've

3822
04:08:13.120 --> 04:08:16.479
said a lot of nice things about
a lot of places. Giant Bomb,

3823
04:08:16.559 --> 04:08:20.520
Rocks, Game Spot, Rocks,
Ign, BGC, min Max, Game

3824
04:08:20.559 --> 04:08:33.079
Informer, Katakuati, I love Private
Equity and forever, but there have been

3825
04:08:33.120 --> 04:08:35.680
some rough times over the last few
years, and I gotta say the single

3826
04:08:35.799 --> 04:08:43.520
best thing that has happened to Kotaku
is alystamer Conte coming and get her presence

3827
04:08:43.879 --> 04:08:46.600
and making the site better and stronger
in every way. With me right now,

3828
04:08:46.719 --> 04:08:52.120
man, I'm very weak and I'll
cry. I agree. Yeah.

3829
04:08:52.879 --> 04:08:54.159
Yeah, I'm glad you said it. Yeah yeah. I mean when I

3830
04:08:54.200 --> 04:08:58.719
wake up a five forty five because
my kids are absolutely crazy, the first

3831
04:08:58.760 --> 04:09:03.280
thing I do is check this woman's
sweets. Yep. It's usually asked.

3832
04:09:05.680 --> 04:09:09.040
Well, I think it's I'm glad
you're out there fighting it. I'm glad

3833
04:09:09.040 --> 04:09:11.600
you're doing this. Let's waste some
money for trans Lifeline. Yeah, that's

3834
04:09:11.760 --> 04:09:16.719
fantastic stuff. I think what The
best part about this is we come here,

3835
04:09:16.840 --> 04:09:20.360
we hang out, and it all
does disappear while we're here at the

3836
04:09:20.440 --> 04:09:24.639
very least, and then you go
back keep fighting. Yeah, absolutely,

3837
04:09:24.120 --> 04:09:26.399
keep sucking dick for my job,
right, because that's what I do.

3838
04:09:28.840 --> 04:09:31.760
That's what I do, my job. Anything more on deck? Anyone?

3839
04:09:33.879 --> 04:09:41.600
Any deck? Anything else? Any
deck? Wait? Why does dick sound

3840
04:09:41.680 --> 04:09:46.159
like deck? And six sound like
sex and belly and Bellie Billy? I

3841
04:09:46.319 --> 04:09:54.079
just I just hate your accent.
I'm sorry, I'm not allowed to say

3842
04:09:54.159 --> 04:10:03.840
that. Is over. Everybody get
here. That's Giant Bomb Night one.

3843
04:10:03.959 --> 04:10:07.360
Thanks everybody for came onto the couch, including this fantastic couch. We'll be

3844
04:10:07.440 --> 04:10:11.719
back with another round of couches tomorrow
night on Giant Bomb Night two, GB

3845
04:10:11.840 --> 04:10:15.440
at Night Live from Los Angeles,
and then Sunday Night Live for the Bell

3846
04:10:15.479 --> 04:10:16.879
Weather. Get your tickets now,
we're gonna hang out, have a good

3847
04:10:16.959 --> 04:10:28.680
time. Can't wait for it.
Thanks everybody for watching slocome to the Gaze.