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Welcome into season two, episode four
of Clips and Dip. I'm Ata Moslin

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coming up on this episode as we
do have a special guest we'll get to

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in just a moment here, but
we'll do a little hot take not take.

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Oh sorry, Joe, so if
you're retired, we're taking that from

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you now, I'm kidding. But
we will talk some hot takes of this

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offseason, Clippers related or just anything
we want. Plus, in the second

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segment we'll talk about is Terrence Man
going to be included in any trade that

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involves James Harden or is that the
hold up right now? Who seems to

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be hell bet on becoming a Clipper
Harden the bearded wonder that is. But

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first, let's start things off with
our friend Justin Bruce, so follow him

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at fly by Night on Twitter.
Does fabulous work covering the Clippers, has

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been doing it for years. Was
actually out at Summer League though, and

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so doing the Lord's work when you're
out there, I don't know that the

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Lord's work in that heat. That's
that's forty days in the desert. I

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think justin thanks for coming out,
Clips and div what's up? You know,

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I'm actually thankful to be back.
I didn't think. I didn't think

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I would enjoy humidity, but I
enjoy it very much after one hundred and

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fourteen degree heat in Vegas. So
yeah, it's it was pretty bad in

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Vegas. But uh, you know, I'm thankful to be home. I

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don't mind humidity now. But it
was I think I was there five days.

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I was there from the eighth through
the twelfth, and I was ready

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to leave by the third day.
I remember sitting I was sitting there watching

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a Wizard's game, and I was
sitting next to Uh. I was sitting

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there next to Chase who does the
Wizard stuff for NBC Sports in DC.

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And I remember at one point,
I think it was the third quarter,

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I just looked at my goal.
I think I'm just basketballed out. Man.

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You were watching the Wizards place nuwhere
League. That makes perfect sense.

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It was it was Wizard Spurs that
I was just like, I can't do

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it anymore. I'm done. Now. We're still waiting for will Updike to

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join us. He'll be with us, and just a little bit obviously Chuck

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Mackler here, but we do want
to pick the brain of Justin Rousseau being

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out at Summer League. Aside from
the heat and feeling like you're in an

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old nineties Zeema commercial. What were
some of your takeaways? What that's a

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hot reference nowadays? How dare you
chuck? Remember the fly swatter and everything

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was sticky? It was so hot? Okay, But speaking of let's talk

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a little bit about the Clippers in
Kobe Brown from three in game four,

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I think it was from him where
he hit seven three pointers in Summer League,

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ended up with thirty five points,
and unfortunately turned the left ankle in

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their final game. But just what
was it like seeing him in person?

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Because we always hear things like in
person, this guy looks much bigger or

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thinner, or this or that.
What were your takeaways from Kobe Brown the

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young guys in Summer League. With
Kobe Brown in particular, I think up

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close and personal. I know on
TV it's hard to get an idea of

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like how big certain guys are in
Summer League being able to sit down near

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the baseline. He's a big guy, Like obviously he's not the tallest guy

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and he's not, you know,
the longest guy. But when he gets

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down low, he moves people and
he's very physically imposing, and my biggest

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takeaway with him was I don't feel
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I think everything he did, for
the most part is stuff will be

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asked to do at the NBA level, which is spot up in corners,

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just spot up in general, you
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rebound. The biggest thing that surprised
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gotten better defensively in college, but
the thing that surprised me was how well

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he played passing lanes even in just
summer league, which I know it's hard

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to translate things from summer league to
the NBA sometimes with certain skill sets,

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but he was very handsy in passing
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in passing lanes. He understood where
to be. I talked to both him

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and Jordan Miller about the differences between
the college game and the NBA level as

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far as what they've learned even in
the short period of time. Jordan Miller

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gave me an interesting answer, which
was in college, he was always taught

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that when he closed out on a
shooter to always force him to drive the

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middle of the floor. But at
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the Clippers, it was always to
force them baseline. So that was the

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one thing he had this like retrain
unadjustment to try and make as you try

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out for your NBA team, you
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college I think four or five years
so obviously at two different universities, so

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you know, he went through different
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philosophies, so he had to learn. Kobe Brown said that, you know

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the biggest thing for him is in
college, their their thing was always to

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deny the next pass. But with
the Clippers, it's to shrink the or

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so that you know, you limit
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lanes that way, And so he
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play passing lanes more. I think
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got the hand speed, he's got
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So from that perspective, I would
say that was a real positive beyond just

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what he'd one the offensive end,
right, which I don't think I don't

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think anyone else than Adam is going
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his threes. Now that he did
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percent. Now that he's in actually
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think his G League minutes look like? Because I don't think or what do

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his regular minutes look like? But
I like the G League team is already

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pretty full. For the Clippers,
they're very good. You got Preston I'm

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assuming he's going to be down there. You got Brandon Boston Junior. Maybe,

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But where do you see Kobe I
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I actual keep want to call him
the Aguacalientti Clippers, but whatever they are

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now we got used to we got
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So yeah, it's it's a retrain. As far as Kobe in the G

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League, I think um probably like
Musa last year, like maybe thirty minutes

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a night, where he's you know, he's the four. He is a

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four. They view him as a
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And Moose has been playing a little
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Clippers. So that'll be interesting when
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down to the five or he has
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they view Mousa as anything like like
he's another I mean, as weird as

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it sounds every every time you talk
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well, Moosa guards one through five. So it doesn't really matter what position.

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To be fair, he is a
five, he is a mouse is

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a five. He's a rim running
five who the only thing he wants to

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do is shoot in the restricted area. That's fine. A lot of guys

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have been paid in the NBA just
off of only shooting in the restricted area.

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And I think Kobe is in a
weird way at the G league level,

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is the perfect guy around him.
He's the physical guy who can guard

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down low if he has to,
and he's the floor and he's the forest

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face. I think they'll work pretty
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Kobe probably average about thirty minutes NBA
wise. I don't know. I mean,

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I've heard people I've talked to think
he could crack, you know,

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day one rotation. Other people I've
talked to said there's a kind of no

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way unless you know, pieces get
shipped out, and that is and that

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becomes the reality. So I don't
know. I mean, it's what July

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twentieth right now, Yes, there's
so much time left that I mean,

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at this point he might not ever
play an NBA game this year, and

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on the other hand, it's like
he might play a lot of NBA games

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this here, Chuck brought up his
three points shooting and just speaking more to

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that in his form and what you
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at thirty five and seven three pointers, he was struggling from the outside.

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The shot looked good, the form
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airballs. There were some air and
shots from him. Was that just him

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settling in and getting comfortable? Do
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at MISSOI can translate at all to
the NBA level, and that's a necessary

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skill for him to have at this
level for him to be successful. It's

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weird. I lately, as I've
analyzed players, I go to the phrase

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sometimes I don't know, I don't
know if it's translatable. That so much

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refreshing to hear someone just say I
don't know, I don't know if it's

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relatable. I don't know if that
last year in Missouri, Like, I

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don't know if the first three years
of Missouri are are more like what he'll

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be at the NBA, or if
the last year is I think if I

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had to project him thirty seven thirty
eight, I know that's not you know,

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elite level. And yeah it's not
bad either average it's very interesting.

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Yeah, it's above average. The
thing that's very interesting with him formal wise

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is it's very hard to watch him
up close and not get it distinct PJ.

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Tucker byes like like when you watch
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like just shot form profile, it
really looks like PJ. Tucker And and

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look, PJ. Tuckers had an
incredible career, you know potential, let's

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relaxed close about so. But but
but it's funny because with Kobe, it's

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like his there's there's some off the
dribble stuff with him, but not a

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lot. And if there is,
it's because he finds someone download that he

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can you know, power through the
hoop essentially. I think the thing that

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kind of got lost with him in
Summer League is he competes at a high

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level. There wasn't a time on
the floor and I'll watched him up close

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and even on TV when I came
back where I thought that he wasn't trying

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as hard some guy, Yeah,
like some some guys float yeh, some

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guys float through the game. I
didn't ever feel like he was just on

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the floor. I felt like you
would notice him every now and then he

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would pop up with something, especially
obviously the game he scored thirty five.

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But it's like, you know,
every game there was something that you could

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latch onto with them. We're like, okay, he did that better today

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than he did yesterday. Kind of
thing. What about Jordan Miller, Since

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you're bringing up floating through a game, it felt like he disappeared at times.

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He's young, it was his first
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the size that he brings. He
kind of looks like a prototypical wing in

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today's NBA, and just the versatility
acts aspect, which is something the Clippers

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certainly seemed to cove it. But
how does he project in your mind of

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playing at the next level and what
he could look like. He's the interesting

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case to me of a guy who
in summer league is never going to look

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good. We talked about that a
little bit. There's certain archetypes of guys

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who are made who can look very
good in summer league. The oversized center

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can look phenomenal in summer league,
and things like that. Yeah. I

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mean with Jordan, I looked almost
like he's this slashing three who, Yes,

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he can make a three at times, but he's way more comfortable cutting

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from the slot, making these backdoor
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In Summer League, you don't get
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so it's harder for him. I
would say A big negative from him at

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Summer League was like he followed every
jump shooter he brought close to, which

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I'm not gonna fo anyone before,
Like he got over zealous. It happens,

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okay, Like I'm not gonna criticize
him too much. The big positive

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I actually liked out of him is
I really did kind of fall in love

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with his um, like somewhat like
his eurostep game, and it hit a

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really like sneaky passing feel when he
got downhill, which which was kind of

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nice. I don't know if the
shot is going to be the thing that

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like ever fully comes around, but
I see why the Clippers were enamored.

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Um. I think he's gonna be
a guy who this next season. His

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years in the Galus makes I don't
think yeah that check yeah everything, so

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so it'll I mean, I don't
think he's ever going to be a score

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like and by a score, I
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NBA level if he averaged fifteen points. However, Okay, it's it's it's

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more or less like he is the
prototypical glue guy, where when you throw

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him on the floor, you know
what you're getting, and he's not going

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to overstep his bounds as a player. The two Clippers guys like, yes,

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it's been talked about a latt how
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there were two of the four old
There were two of the four oldest players

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in the draft, and the team
is old already, so it makes sense

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it's time, right, yeah,
right. And it's not like they got

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super athletic guys, you know,
like like, yes, they are athletic

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obviously by nature, but they're not
rim running you know, powerhouse dunkers or

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obviously. Yeah. I mean.
The funny thing I'm sure you guys to

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point it out with kJ is he's
a full year younger than they. Oh

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my god, I didn't know that. Yeah, Jesus, Yeah, he's

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a full year. He's a full
year younger than they are, and he's

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been in the league for three years. Well, I joked about this.

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I think the Clippers accidentally set their
Excel sheet to sort by age and that's

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how they made their for their picks. This year, I think someone's I

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think someone bumped the keyboard. We've
all screwed up in a hey, we

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have. I haven't the NBA draft. I would like the opportunity to screw

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up at the NBA Draft with the
n Excel spreadsheet. Yeah. But with

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Jordan, um I get. I
do understand people when they say they get

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like Terrence man vibes out of him. The difference I would say is with

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Terrence, even in the Summer like
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you saw the it factor, like
where like he understood the game at such

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a level that he didn't look overwhelmed. I thought Jordan looked a little bit

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overwhelmed at times. And I think
the G League will do him something good

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to kind of reign in where he
needs to be in terms of reading the

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game. Because he did tell me
in one of the Knights in Vegas that

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one of those Summer League Knights,
one of those classic Summer League Knights in

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Vegas. I won't tell you where
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in the arenas. Okay, that's
wild. Wait wait is the arena the

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name of some weird club or do
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and Kate's very that's a fun club. But yeah. Was it like an

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underground fight scene where you could see
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or something? Was it straight out
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Eric Roberts, your references are all
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and the tiger were at the MRA. So, um, what's it called?

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With? With Jordan, he told
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to kind of catch up with the
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is the thing that's that he's kind
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also he said he's trying to do
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he's trying to also learn is that
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the guys are just so talentedt the
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so you don't want to start moving
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when he was at practice the first
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around, and when he kept getting
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vision. You need to get a
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everyone, probably he's already in the
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around when he's doing his thing,
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movement is just not moving, like
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floor and let the movement come to
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kick, swing and another swing like
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I think he's still trying to learn
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with a Denver Nuggets really performed not
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laid there on the floor for two
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from our guys. So other than
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the best player there, which makes
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more and he's older than everybody else. What should fans take away from this

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summer league? Should we just and
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just forget about the fact that we
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it go for twenty four games?
Eric Gordon? Or how are we feeling

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about that? I understand it's a
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are really like Cam Whitmore was great
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machine of everything with the NBA in
the offseason fields insane. Right now,

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So I saw Anthony Bennett have a
good summer league once former Clipper for a

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very short period, right, So
how can we Yeah, I guess let's

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tackle the twentieth pick thing. Should
fans just forget about that? Should we

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just move on? Would the Clippers
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I'll put it to you this way, if the Clippers saw the twenties

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pick, he probably wouldn't even been
on the board, Like like that's like

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like you never know how the drafter
is gonna shake out. Like, yeah,

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you can sit there and say,
well, he was taking what the

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pick the Clippers would have had.
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maybe things change in the basketball universe
if they kept the twentieth pick, maybe

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they moved the twentieth pick anyways to
get something else, Like you never know.

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So I mean, yeah, you
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and be like, oh, man, they traded you know, the twentieth

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pick and and uh, you know
what, turning to camp and they traded

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the twentieth pick in Luke Canard.
So Cam Whitman and Luke Canard for Eric

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Gordon the thirtieth pick, and then
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a very real possibility that Cam Whitmore
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the future and Kobe Brown's out of
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Like that's a very realistic shots ability
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draft. But what I would say
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You can't really relitigate it like it
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I know I've I've been guilty of
it in the past where I'm like,

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hey, the pick that the Clippers
gave up to dump Jared Dudley turned into

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like Batiste table, yeah, or
it was it was, and then like

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another and then another pick they gave
up turned into Matiste table, like yeah,

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that sucks, but it is what
it is. You gotta Yeah,

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that's Will up Dyke joining us from
my house. Will is in my kitchen

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right now, which is very funny. It's in traffic. It was brutal,

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but he eat from his fridge.
Just start down as stuff like nothing

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about it. I heard you're doing
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someone's pouring a drink right now.
Well, will you came at the perfect

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time. We're talking how no one
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just the news I was given a
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we would love you to counterpoint everything
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I fundamentally disagreed the twentieth pick.
Think of think of the history of

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Clippers Clippers late draft picks, and
how valuable that could be. No,

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I unrelated, but like, how
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albeit seconds in the move for Gordon
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disregarding the twentieth pick, just like
the business in general of it. Yeah,

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So I had conversations with people at
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non Clippers people, and the overwhelming
consensus like offering people's why do they do

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it? Like from the non Clippers
people was like I have like like that

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everyone understood the one hundred and ten
million dollars in tax savings, Like everyone

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gets it. It's not like this
dirty secret. It is. It's out

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in the open. Everyone sees the
Bobby marks and woes tweets about it like

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it's you know, it is what
it is. I I just have a

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very tough time kind of agreeing with
the methodology, Like I get it.

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Their whole plan is to kind of
get under the second apron at some point

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especial. That's what I was ranging
at, how we're gonna add James Harden

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and get the things I've heard are
that one of the things is by the

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draft next year, they wanted to
be under the second apron so that they

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can send out money to get draft
picks. Because the second apron stuff for

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Bidjie from sending out money. So
there I think I have it. Oddly

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enough, in an Excel spreadsheet,
they're like fifteen million dollars over the second

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Apron, I believe right now,
and yeah, there's ways they can get

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under it, just but there's no
one left with cap space to just dump

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fifteen million dollars into and you know, save it that way. The other

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the reason I kind of disagreed with
just dumping him was because he's going to

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be an unrestricted free agent anyways at
the end of this coming season and if

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the real punitive second Apron stuff doesn't
start until next yeah, like just go

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through it and just say, look, you know, because when you look

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at Eric Gordon. I talked to
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look at Eric Gordon, it's very
hard to find a guy that kind of

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fits better along Kawai. Alongside Kawahi
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He's a very very good shooting from
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he's he's he's not just a floor
space or he is a deep floor

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spacer. You know, when he
came on onto the team, you know,

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at the trade deadline, you know, they got asked, Kawhi,

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PG, tie all got asked like
what is he bringing you? And Kawhi

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even said at one point, you
know he's his his uh, his gravity

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is so good that because you can
shoot from so far, defenders can't cheat

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at the elbow as much as they
want to. So it allows Kawai more

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driving lanes, It allows PG better
driving lane, like all these things.

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But he never wet to play with
him because everyone got hurt as they always

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get hurt. And I kind of
think that we overlooked the fact that you

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know, he shot forty two from
three. I'm really good volume with the

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Clippers, And that's the kind of
guy who if you're building a team alongside

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Kawai and PG, I think it's
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He's not going to play. He
wants to be there too. Is the

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other part. He wants to contribute
to winning a ring in the exact ways

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that he's perfectly tailored to do it, which I think he did. He

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doesn't overstuff his bounds. He's just
like that, like he knows what he

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can do and he doesn't really go
beyond that. UM. I actually saw

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him at Summer League Stole in a
good mood. It was nice to see

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him. Would you guys talk about
bunch? Of course? Come on,

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we went to the Belacia, but
continue it's the Seeson's buffet good. Yeah,

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the Seeson's buffet is really good.
It's like crazy seafood buffet. It's

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insane. Well, the seafood tower
is optional, but well, I think

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my thing that's like leaving a really
sour taste in my mouth, and it's

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not just the gym that I poured
from myself from Charles's house, is that

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you knew that he was going to
go to a Western Conference competitor. You're

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a team looking at the Western Conference
and the you know, the arms race

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that is to be at the top
of that right now, losing an asset

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for nothing, giving up assets in
the process of getting that asset, knowing

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that he's going to help another team
that you will likely have to face in

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the playoffs. I guess my question
is like, did the Russ buy out

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and subsequent you know, hometown deal
change the Clippers plan enough that they were

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willing to take that risk or do
you think it's solely a tax mode.

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that when they resigned to RUS or knew

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that they were going to resign to
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it affected Eric's future with the team. I think that they thought there was

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gonna be a minuts crunch. That's
something I disagree on, but my opinion

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doesn't matter at least as far as
the Clippers are concerned. Um, it's

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really hard to justify the move just
as a tax thing because if you if

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you just look at as a tax
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I don't think you can sit there
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Steve Bomber will spend whatever it takes
to win, and then on the other

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hand wave a decently good player to
save one hundred and ten millions. You

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know how much toilets cost. The
man has to pay for two hundred and

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thirty seven toilets and the damn stadium
Rousso it's a lot of toilets out there.

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I could, I can attest.
I was there on Draft night.

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I was able to take a tour
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have seen where all these toilets most
likely will go beat some top of the

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bell beforehand. You get trying and
you took a two or what does that

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mean? Is that t O U
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are we doing here? All right? We gotta talk that James Harden stuff.

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We have to take a small ad
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some of you have complained that the
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your case. Adam apparently does not
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if they've been too that, if
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We're gonna talk to James Harden and
Terrence Man stuff. Justin Russo's gonna explain

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why Marcus Morris's rebounding really helps out
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Will for making that happen. Very
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sitting in it right now. But
we're live right now. No, we're

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not live, Adam, move your
camera down on your chair up. The

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bottom of her face is getting cut
off. I wanted to say, he's

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very he's hanging out, bro.
It's called It's called xanex will um um

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so the story I mean of today. We're recording this on Thursday. James

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Harden, who if anyone could refresh
my memory? I just can't. I

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just can't remember what team he wants
to only play for. Should he be

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traded from the seventy six ers.
I think it's the Clippers. He posts

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on Instagram today something about how he's
been comfortable and now it's time to get

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uncomfortable. Who's excited to add this
guy to our to the squad? Huh?

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Like what, justin, how do
you feel on the whole about adding

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James Harden? Now that we kind
of it seems like the hold up is

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should the Clippers include Terrence Man and
or Norm Powell. He's a good fit.

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I'm not going to say the league
and assist and right, like,

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yeah, yeah, he's He's an
elite level passer. Obviously everyone knows.

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Incredible isolation player, fantastic pick and
roll guy. You gotta get a I

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just I mean we every if we
go through this with James Harden every eighteen

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months, so like everyone knows what
he's good at, because whatever new team

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was trying to trade for him,
that was what he's good at, and

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tells everyone what he's good at.
Yeah, so I think he's a good

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fit. I totally get why the
Clippers would be interested. I understand it

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from a salary cap perspective. I
understand it from a fit perspective. I

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understand it from Encourt, off court, etc. I just just because of

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his relationships with Russ and PG and
Coal back home, going back, going

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back to twenty nineteen. He's the
guy that Kawhi Leonard wanted first fair point

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and so and back then the Clippers
and Rockets and negotiations, and the Rockets

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basically say we're not trading them,
and then eighteen months later they trade it

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because that's that's cardon cycle. Yeah. So you know, James Harden as

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a player, I think gets crapped
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he's pretty underrated at times. And
I also understand why people crap out of

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the times he's he's a clipper.
That sounds like a Clipper to me,

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always injured, always injured star who
gets crapped on the side. Sure,

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they'll win you some playoff games.
You might not show up in some playoff

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games. That's a clipper, um, But that's the role ultimately, justin

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do you think it gets them to
his place where they have a better chance

406
00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:45,519
to win the championship this year by
adding James Harden Depending on what they give

407
00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:48,799
up. I would. I would
say so, and I look at it

408
00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:55,839
as if you even increase your title
probability by one percent, I think it's

409
00:28:55,839 --> 00:28:59,839
something you should do. I mean, as as weird as that very thing

410
00:29:00,079 --> 00:29:03,160
margins, I mean, like to
win a championship. Yeah, it's not

411
00:29:03,279 --> 00:29:06,880
as broad as people think it is. Like even when the heatles, you

412
00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:11,440
know, like any team other than
the Durant Warriors, I feel like the

413
00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:15,839
margins that you're talking about are quite
slim and even they needed a lot to

414
00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:22,680
help. Yeah, very true.
Hey, James Harden helps everybody, you

415
00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:26,079
know, So it is what it
is. But even if you bump up

416
00:29:26,119 --> 00:29:30,480
by one percent, I think that
is worth it. Like I said,

417
00:29:30,519 --> 00:29:33,240
from the salary cap standpoint, I
get it if they feel that going to

418
00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:37,079
get hardened is the best play,
because you know, he's an unrestricted free

419
00:29:37,119 --> 00:29:40,839
agent at the end of this coming
season, and you know, maybe you

420
00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:44,640
don't MAXIM or maybe you don't max
Kawhi, or maybe you don't max PG.

421
00:29:45,319 --> 00:29:48,599
You know, either way, if
they just if they just decide to

422
00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:52,000
go get Harden, one of the
one of the ways they could look.

423
00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:53,519
I'm not saying the way they will, but the way that they could look

424
00:29:53,559 --> 00:29:57,759
at it is we have three superstars
that are entering expiring years. While yes,

425
00:29:57,839 --> 00:30:03,079
Kawai and pg F player options,
odds are they decline them because they'll

426
00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:07,680
get more money via extension or free
agency. But they would have three superstars

427
00:30:07,799 --> 00:30:12,240
set to be free agents, and
if it goes poorly, maybe you just

428
00:30:12,279 --> 00:30:15,599
decide to sit there and go,
look, we tried it, we can

429
00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:18,279
move on, and you just start
fresh. That's as fresh as possible.

430
00:30:18,359 --> 00:30:23,640
I would say, Well, the
big question is the big question is are

431
00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:29,440
they willing to do that year one
going into a new arena, and that

432
00:30:29,599 --> 00:30:33,039
is the that's the two billion dollar
question, or however much it costs to

433
00:30:33,039 --> 00:30:36,759
build out arena, because they're going
to have to look in the mirror if

434
00:30:36,799 --> 00:30:41,000
it goes pretty poorly and then make
some really tough decisions about whether or not

435
00:30:41,039 --> 00:30:44,839
they want to introduce what will be
a bad basketball team if they if they

436
00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:48,319
if they let those three guys go, it'll be a bad I mean yeah,

437
00:30:48,359 --> 00:30:55,480
and yeah, well we know that
you you know, oftentimes sit next

438
00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:57,480
to Lawrence Frank at games. We
know that you're in his ear, you

439
00:30:57,519 --> 00:31:02,880
have his personal cell phone number,
you're talking to Lawrence. What's the Max

440
00:31:03,039 --> 00:31:07,119
offer right now July twentieth, twenty
twenty three, that you are willing to

441
00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:15,880
give for James Harden, thank you
for a year. I hate talking about

442
00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:18,559
stunning guys out in trades because it
really makes me feel bad. Because like

443
00:31:18,759 --> 00:31:21,480
when you get to the people in
the locker room, but we're not allowed

444
00:31:21,519 --> 00:31:25,640
in the locker room, so you
want to tell you that, we won't

445
00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:29,079
tell them that you said this.
I doubt they're listening. I will say

446
00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:32,640
my my seats for games when I
get media credentials or the elevator. So

447
00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:34,799
that's how the team thinks of us. Though that's not bad though. That

448
00:31:34,839 --> 00:31:38,240
gets you out there. That gets
you out very pretty fast because it gets

449
00:31:38,279 --> 00:31:44,559
dicey um as for all my the
furthest I think I would go, And

450
00:31:44,559 --> 00:31:48,640
I know this is gonna sound crazy. I think I think I would go.

451
00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:52,640
I don't think I would include Terrence
as where does that sound something less?

452
00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:57,799
If you unless if you include Terrence, you keep other things out of

453
00:31:57,799 --> 00:32:01,559
the equation. As far as the
Clippers are concerned, if the if they

454
00:32:01,599 --> 00:32:06,680
include Terrence, I don't think they
should include First. If they don't include

455
00:32:06,759 --> 00:32:09,359
Terrence, I think they should include
First and maybe even a swap because they

456
00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:15,720
might as well. Are you more
willing to part with draft equity versus terrence?

457
00:32:16,559 --> 00:32:21,119
Yes, because like, who cares? I think we're all in at

458
00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:27,519
this point. Yeah, I think
at a certain point in what they in

459
00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:30,279
what in what their current endeavor is, which is they give up so much

460
00:32:30,319 --> 00:32:32,839
for PG did then? Obviously No, I'm not reminded of that every single

461
00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:37,160
time. Yeah, you guys are
talking about the twentieth pick earlier, like

462
00:32:37,279 --> 00:32:39,920
everybody's going to look back on this. It's like, no, there's something

463
00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:45,920
else everybody is always looking back on
and talking about. Jeez. I I

464
00:32:47,119 --> 00:32:52,359
wrote a couple weeks ago that like
they're in the sun cast fallacy era,

465
00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:57,720
which is like either either you cut
bait now, either you cut bait now

466
00:32:57,799 --> 00:33:00,960
and just recoup as much as you
can, or you just keep pushing everything

467
00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:05,119
to the middle of the table and
you don't care about the bill that's coming

468
00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:08,160
due because at the end of the
day, you know this is your best

469
00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:12,119
chance to win a title. Like
as sad as that sounds like, you

470
00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:15,119
know their best chance will probably two
years ago. And then I got the

471
00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:19,039
bubble too, Like I think the
bubble was a great ye had there not

472
00:33:19,119 --> 00:33:23,319
been a global pandemic, you know, I mean and others. Sure,

473
00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:30,720
I don't actually remember that period of
time, completely blocked it out. That's

474
00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:34,759
what Tauba does to you know.
Yeah, but uh, you know,

475
00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:38,880
I think giving up draft picks is
fine. I don't think they. I

476
00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:42,279
know they, I know they care
about it, and I know this new

477
00:33:42,319 --> 00:33:47,599
collective bargain agreement puts a lot of
value on draft picks specifically. But one

478
00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:52,119
of the things I had a conversation
with someone about its summer league was I

479
00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:59,319
kind of think the Phoenix Suns have
realized the market inefficiency with the new collective

480
00:33:59,359 --> 00:34:04,079
bargaining agreement, which is just pick
swap, just just trade pick swap all

481
00:34:04,079 --> 00:34:07,759
the time. It doesn't matter because
if you're over the second apron so many

482
00:34:07,839 --> 00:34:12,599
years, your pick inherently will always
be number thirties. You're right, Yeah,

483
00:34:12,679 --> 00:34:15,440
we're here anyway. Yeah, Like, it doesn't matter. If I'm

484
00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:19,239
gonna get the worst of every first
round pick anyways, why not make it

485
00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:22,280
the worst one who cares? So, you know, like, at the

486
00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:28,480
end of the day, they're essentially
trading You're trading nothing. You're trading nothing

487
00:34:28,679 --> 00:34:31,599
how many times? So what's your
offer? Then? What's your offer a

488
00:34:31,679 --> 00:34:37,400
lot, Norm Morris, a first
and whatever other salary to make it work.

489
00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:42,199
Let's not discredit more what Morris brings
to the rebounding table for the Clippers.

490
00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:49,679
I think, I think, I
think the I think the offer that

491
00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:55,360
they're going to go in first with
something like Marcus Roco, a mirror and

492
00:34:55,840 --> 00:35:01,119
a couple other things. May yeah, the bare minimum and then draft equity,

493
00:35:01,159 --> 00:35:04,239
and like, look, we'll give
you this and draft equity. And

494
00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:07,079
obviously Philly's gonna say no, and
as they should. It's not a good

495
00:35:07,159 --> 00:35:10,679
offer. It's you know, it's
a very bad offer. It's it's worse

496
00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:15,519
than the offer Washington Godfer Bradley Beal. To be honest with you, you

497
00:35:15,639 --> 00:35:19,760
know, as simple as that,
it's a lot different. I kind of

498
00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:22,960
one player as a player with years
on the contract. Still, I mean,

499
00:35:23,119 --> 00:35:28,159
even though it's a bad offer,
still very different scenarios versus a one

500
00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:30,880
year rental. I think, like, I think that that changes things.

501
00:35:31,199 --> 00:35:37,519
The UFA thing freaks me out.
He's not leaving if he comes here.

502
00:35:37,239 --> 00:35:42,960
I mean, I'm just I'm just
saying I look at it like if you

503
00:35:43,079 --> 00:35:47,000
trade for him. So I explained
this to someone. I explained this to

504
00:35:47,039 --> 00:35:53,880
Tom Aaron Vegas. Shit I get
explained on Tom a Look, I said,

505
00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:58,639
if you look at James Harden's career, he's in his midlife crisis.

506
00:35:59,039 --> 00:36:04,400
Man, when you're finally right,
I'm like when he first was in the

507
00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:07,840
NBA's gonna cut the beer. No, he's gonna come back because with the

508
00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:12,239
mustache and like some like a like
a jacket, They're gonna be like,

509
00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:15,440
what why do you do it?
Smith Needle and the Hayes gonna be playing

510
00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:20,760
in the batnd like that reference shook? How about that? That one's way

511
00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:27,480
better than Ziema and whatever? See
movie you referenced earlier sixty you look at

512
00:36:27,559 --> 00:36:30,000
James. No, okay, we're
gonna talk about that in the third segment

513
00:36:30,079 --> 00:36:38,360
roots I have I have great movies. When you look at James though,

514
00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:43,440
and okay, see it was I
want to get paid. They didn't pay

515
00:36:43,559 --> 00:36:45,679
them, so it's I want my
own team, goes to his own team

516
00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:49,440
gets paid. Well, I want
all these guys to join me. All

517
00:36:49,480 --> 00:36:51,880
those guys join him, do I
joins them? All the other guys join

518
00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:54,039
him. Well, this isn't working
out, so I kind of want to

519
00:36:54,039 --> 00:36:59,000
go somewhere else. So he go
somewhere else, and that somewhere else is

520
00:36:59,079 --> 00:37:01,320
Brooklyn to play with us friends.
That doesn't you know, go according to

521
00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:05,000
that one. I feel like he
can't be blamed for, like I know,

522
00:37:05,159 --> 00:37:07,880
James horning a lot of shit for
jumping teams. A lot of people

523
00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:13,639
would leave that situation. You would
leave a situation where one of your co

524
00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:20,840
workers was openly refusing to work for
sixty five of the eighty five days or

525
00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:24,519
eighty two days that you work,
like you would absolutely anyone would leave that

526
00:37:24,599 --> 00:37:30,079
situation. Yeah, I mean,
to be fair, it was like James

527
00:37:30,159 --> 00:37:31,800
got the Brickley to play with his
friends and they went, I don't like

528
00:37:31,960 --> 00:37:37,760
that freend Like it's like when you
start hanging out with someone more and Martin,

529
00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:40,400
you realize, actually we're not that
compatible, like this not great.

530
00:37:42,079 --> 00:37:44,159
So and then he's like, well, I want to try to win a

531
00:37:44,239 --> 00:37:46,920
title. So he goes to Philly
and he plays under the you know it,

532
00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:52,599
plays under Daryl Morey essentially, and
then that there's another very important component

533
00:37:52,679 --> 00:37:55,119
of that equation, which I also
feel like, gets left as soon as

534
00:37:55,199 --> 00:37:59,360
he got traded to with Doc Rivers
team, Like you knew that it was

535
00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:04,119
going to end disastrously, you knew, and not even just because of Doc,

536
00:38:04,199 --> 00:38:07,400
but the like the way that Doc
treats players and deals with the media,

537
00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:13,280
especially after a massive flint, like
after a flame out, like you

538
00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:16,079
know that that's not gonna work.
I feel like he gets I feel like

539
00:38:16,119 --> 00:38:21,199
he should getting two buys on some
of these trade requests to be perfectly fair.

540
00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:24,639
Yeah, I don't disagree. I
think the Philly thing was just kind

541
00:38:24,679 --> 00:38:28,440
of doomed from the beginning. Yeah, and then there's the other caveat with

542
00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:30,880
Philly, which I'll get into in
a second. But then now I think

543
00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:32,280
he's in I just want to go
home stage of his life, like it's

544
00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:42,440
like all these other things. Yeah, Okay, let's let's not go too

545
00:38:42,519 --> 00:38:51,639
far from Missus Girl, Tomatoes Man, Live Thanos life. The other thing

546
00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:58,880
with Harden that I don't think gets
enough um airtime right now is whether or

547
00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:01,760
not we want to talk about the
dirty little secret in Philadelphia. There was

548
00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:08,440
some variation of a handshake deal last
offseason and Philly, I'm not gonna say

549
00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:13,039
they rendb on it, but like
they did not commit to the level.

550
00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:15,920
So do we also going back to
kind of we were talking to Eric Gordon

551
00:39:16,039 --> 00:39:22,440
stuff the Clippers. I it's not
crazy to think wave Derek Gordon thinking,

552
00:39:22,679 --> 00:39:27,000
because they may be thought, for
whatever reasons, that Harden was going to

553
00:39:27,079 --> 00:39:30,159
opt in or opt out and then
open up. You know what I'm saying,

554
00:39:30,239 --> 00:39:34,880
the sign and trade possibility, is
that right? Or is that off

555
00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:38,559
base? Without have even been possible. They were too they were too far

556
00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:47,199
over the log point they would have
had to offer like PG remember I not

557
00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:50,559
to that level. I remember I
did the math one day, and I

558
00:39:50,599 --> 00:39:53,559
think it was like they would have
had to offload like fifty million, I

559
00:39:53,639 --> 00:39:58,840
mean to like, okay, so
get rid of four, like get rid

560
00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:04,599
of the three fours that that we
probably need to cut anyways, and you're

561
00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:08,719
more than three quarters of the way
there, Yeah for one guy. Yeah,

562
00:40:09,159 --> 00:40:14,760
yeah, okay, that makes sense. I I don't know if they

563
00:40:14,840 --> 00:40:20,119
knew he was opting in, at
least to the point where like they had

564
00:40:20,159 --> 00:40:22,639
already I think they had already made
the decision on Eric, okay ahead of

565
00:40:22,719 --> 00:40:30,360
time and somehow makes it way worse. But okay, yeah, especially in

566
00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:35,360
the NBA when everyone everything like that, it's always worse. Um, And

567
00:40:35,519 --> 00:40:37,079
like if they if they had just
kept Eric, they could have traded him

568
00:40:37,119 --> 00:40:42,000
to Philly who he would have been
really good next to dymb two um,

569
00:40:42,599 --> 00:40:49,519
but with hardened I think he gets
blamed too much for as Will said,

570
00:40:49,599 --> 00:40:52,119
for some of the stuff and then
other stuff is the stuff that he just

571
00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:58,360
does on his own. He showed
up in Houston in a fat suit and

572
00:40:58,519 --> 00:41:00,360
was like, hey, guys,
what's up? And like everyone's like,

573
00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:04,440
oh, that doesn't look like you're
normal. You know, muscular definition,

574
00:41:04,559 --> 00:41:09,840
there is checking out. Wait,
you mean a player perhaps working himself into

575
00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:15,400
shape. He sounds like a clipper. We got it all. He checks

576
00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:19,719
all the box. It sounds like
Shack with his big till in two thousand

577
00:41:19,719 --> 00:41:23,199
and two. Um, so where
are we all kind of at on the

578
00:41:24,360 --> 00:41:29,159
should the Clippers do this? Because
it does seem like the stop is Terrence

579
00:41:29,239 --> 00:41:32,559
and or Norm Adam will start with
you, Adam straight chilling Oslin For those

580
00:41:32,599 --> 00:41:37,880
of you not on the YouTube,
he's just posted up in his chair up

581
00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:51,000
today today, Adam said. Adam
said, never on Wednesdays, bro Um,

582
00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:52,880
what'd you do the hardened trade?
Are you doing the harden trade?

583
00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:57,400
Involving Terrence? Man? Are we
going all in win this chip? And

584
00:41:58,360 --> 00:42:00,760
whatever happens happens. I don't know
if it's going to take Terence Man,

585
00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:05,159
but if it does, I like
the way Justin put it. If you're

586
00:42:05,199 --> 00:42:08,599
giving up Man, you're not giving
up draft picks or vice versa. Because

587
00:42:09,119 --> 00:42:14,320
Philly's in such a difficult spot right
now without other suitors. It looks like,

588
00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:16,559
at least at the moment, for
James Harden because they know he's hell

589
00:42:16,639 --> 00:42:20,960
been on wanting to come to the
Clippers, and Justin touched upon it.

590
00:42:21,079 --> 00:42:25,119
But I think he would for sure
be back and not end up going anywhere

591
00:42:25,119 --> 00:42:30,840
else after this season unless things went
so terribly because he wants to be back

592
00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:35,880
home as well. I think that's
part of the allure of being a Clipper

593
00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:38,480
and joining these guys that are trying
to do something for the first time in

594
00:42:38,559 --> 00:42:43,679
a place they grew up. Winning
a championship with the Clippers. I think

595
00:42:43,719 --> 00:42:46,880
that's part of the equation. But
my biggest reason, Justin, I'd love

596
00:42:46,880 --> 00:42:52,480
to hear your thoughts on this to
bring in James Harden is because it could

597
00:42:52,519 --> 00:42:58,679
slot Russell Westbrook in a position that
optimizes his talents more, which is playing

598
00:42:58,760 --> 00:43:02,559
more with the secondary unit and maybe
coming off the bench to start off ball

599
00:43:02,639 --> 00:43:07,320
games. Because I don't see him
starting over Harden. If that's the discussion,

600
00:43:07,559 --> 00:43:10,599
whether or not both of them could
play next to Kawai and Paul George

601
00:43:10,639 --> 00:43:14,880
and then it beats the Zubas and
the starting lineup. I don't know,

602
00:43:15,079 --> 00:43:17,800
but I would love to see Russell
Westbrook be featured as the leader of the

603
00:43:17,920 --> 00:43:22,320
second unit, and I think Harden
gives you a better chance of that happening.

604
00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:27,840
I love that, Adam, because
my question is if, like so,

605
00:43:28,039 --> 00:43:30,719
on one hand, the Clippers have
a lot of leverage in that he's

606
00:43:30,760 --> 00:43:34,800
not looking to go to other teams. But on the other hand, if

607
00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:39,920
you're looking at yourself in the mirror, seriously, what is this team ceiling

608
00:43:40,679 --> 00:43:45,679
with the current lineup with Russell Westbrook
as your starting point guard? Are we

609
00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:50,440
talking Marcus Morris being on the roster
as well, because we're also as constructed

610
00:43:50,679 --> 00:43:53,719
as currently constructed, my friend,
and don't let's not forget what he brings

611
00:43:53,719 --> 00:43:58,239
to the rebounding game. I just
see there being zero chance that this is

612
00:43:58,320 --> 00:44:00,480
the team they would go into training
camp with. I still think there would

613
00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:04,639
have to be moves made, even
if the hardness of one of them as

614
00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:07,840
is, this is not okay.
So let's say we consolidate the four,

615
00:44:07,960 --> 00:44:10,639
which we've all talked about as being, you know, one of the larger

616
00:44:10,719 --> 00:44:15,679
issues for the amount of salaries that
we're paying for what we currently have.

617
00:44:16,079 --> 00:44:24,360
What is this team's ceiling with Russell
Westbrook as you're starting point guard? Second

618
00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:30,639
round? Probably right now, that's
not But I also like, what seed

619
00:44:30,199 --> 00:44:37,360
like six? I mean, no, I'd say three. I'd say three.

620
00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:42,239
That sounds crazy because that sounds insane. But then look at the rest

621
00:44:42,280 --> 00:44:47,000
of the West. What other team
in the West besides Denver and Phoenix can

622
00:44:47,039 --> 00:44:52,679
you sit there and say unequivocally better
than the clips on paper? I would

623
00:44:54,239 --> 00:45:00,960
I wouldn't say Sacramento or Golden State, I wouldn't Memphis. No New Jaws

624
00:45:00,960 --> 00:45:05,679
gonna be out twenty five games.
I think New Orleans if if they're all

625
00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:07,679
healthy and Zion you know, peaks, they can be a real problem.

626
00:45:07,760 --> 00:45:10,159
And they have the exact same question
as the Clippers. So it's kind of

627
00:45:10,280 --> 00:45:17,480
like, yeah, Sons probably better. Not a lot of depth, but

628
00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:21,880
it's it's one of those things when
you look at all the teams in the

629
00:45:21,920 --> 00:45:24,440
West outside of Denver, because Yokas
just never gets hurt, and I hope

630
00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:28,519
to god, I didn't just jinx
that. But like you look at the

631
00:45:28,599 --> 00:45:31,360
rest of the teams. Phoenix has
guys who give hurt, durant and beal.

632
00:45:31,719 --> 00:45:34,599
You know, they've missed games the
last couple of years, book or

633
00:45:34,599 --> 00:45:37,440
miss games the last couple of years. You look at the Lakers obviously a

634
00:45:37,559 --> 00:45:40,079
D and Lebron of miss games.
You look at Memphis obviously jaws out for

635
00:45:40,159 --> 00:45:44,559
twenty five games right off the bat
um. You look at any of the

636
00:45:44,599 --> 00:45:47,000
other teams, there's there's questions there. There are questions, like Sacramento last

637
00:45:47,079 --> 00:45:51,719
year had an incredible amount of health
and then it kind of caught up to

638
00:45:51,760 --> 00:45:54,519
them in the in the playoffs because
Sabonus had the thumb issue and all this

639
00:45:54,639 --> 00:45:59,119
other stuff. But like you look
at these other teams in the West,

640
00:45:59,159 --> 00:46:02,800
and there's not a team outside of
Denver just because I mean it's Yo Kitch,

641
00:46:04,360 --> 00:46:07,760
but all the other West teams there
are questions about health. And I

642
00:46:07,880 --> 00:46:12,599
just think we're at the air of
the NBA level now where every team for

643
00:46:12,719 --> 00:46:15,360
the most part, has big health
question marks. You know, Milwaukee has

644
00:46:15,480 --> 00:46:20,119
health question marks. In the East, Philly has health question marks. You

645
00:46:20,199 --> 00:46:22,239
know, you start going down Miami
does too. Jimmy Butler missus games.

646
00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:27,360
Lakers in the list. You know
you start, yeah, Lakers, and

647
00:46:27,400 --> 00:46:30,519
they're like, it's every team for
the most part, has you know,

648
00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:36,480
no one's really playing, you know, seventy five eighty games a year,

649
00:46:36,639 --> 00:46:42,840
unless their name is mckel Bridges,
who apparently can play eighty three. I

650
00:46:42,960 --> 00:46:47,039
hope he can. But that's how
this show works. Yeah, I mean

651
00:46:47,960 --> 00:46:52,880
it's uh, as far as the
Clippers are constructed right now, I could

652
00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:55,480
see them being a second round team. Um, but as the playoffs have

653
00:46:55,559 --> 00:47:00,920
proven, it's all matchup related.
Like it doesn't seed. I want,

654
00:47:05,599 --> 00:47:09,000
we're not the heat. I Like, I know that the Lakers reconstructed their

655
00:47:09,039 --> 00:47:15,079
team, but like looking at the
conference finals last year, Like, you

656
00:47:15,159 --> 00:47:22,000
can't say that seed doesn't matter.
That's fair. I do think that last

657
00:47:22,079 --> 00:47:27,480
year is an anomaly as far as
like teams making it as far as being

658
00:47:28,079 --> 00:47:32,360
you know, from the play in
Like I because last year what was historically

659
00:47:32,840 --> 00:47:37,880
the most compressed year ever in terms
of standings, Like, like teams were

660
00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:44,400
just way too close together, like
historically speaking, Um, so seed doesn't

661
00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:46,639
matter. I shouldn't say seating doesn't
matter, but I mean the Clippers have

662
00:47:46,719 --> 00:47:51,840
said over and over seating doesn't matter
to us, and then obviously it matters.

663
00:47:51,880 --> 00:47:53,280
And then Lawrence Frank gets up there
at the end of the regular season

664
00:47:53,360 --> 00:47:57,119
this year and I was like,
we gotta take the regular season seriously.

665
00:47:57,559 --> 00:48:02,000
And we're all looking around the room
going out wonder at talking about and staff

666
00:48:02,119 --> 00:48:06,079
is going, it is what it
is? What? Who was he talking

667
00:48:06,199 --> 00:48:12,280
to? You know? So I
think they could be a top four seed.

668
00:48:12,559 --> 00:48:14,960
I do, as currently constructor,
I think they could. I think

669
00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:21,239
it's three years. I just don't
think Kawai. I can see Kawai and

670
00:48:21,280 --> 00:48:22,559
PG. I don't think play enough
to make one or two. And it's

671
00:48:22,599 --> 00:48:27,840
not a knock on them. I
just don't think that. Like we've we've

672
00:48:27,920 --> 00:48:31,639
kind of tried that strategy. It
feels like, well, I hope you're

673
00:48:31,639 --> 00:48:35,039
ready for fewer backs. I mean, I'm always ready for fewer back to

674
00:48:35,119 --> 00:48:39,400
backs. So I mean, based
on the scheduled dates, it looks like

675
00:48:39,719 --> 00:48:44,159
they've tried to limit back to backs
again because they pushed the end of the

676
00:48:44,199 --> 00:48:46,599
regular season back two weeks. They
pushed the start of the regular season back

677
00:48:46,599 --> 00:48:51,840
to the twenty fourth, and they've
pushed the final day of the regular Season

678
00:48:51,840 --> 00:48:55,159
APO, which is two weeks after
it ended this past year or so.

679
00:48:57,239 --> 00:49:00,960
But um, I was when I
went to Summer League on a Saturday.

680
00:49:00,000 --> 00:49:04,599
The first day I was there,
I went to the what was it called?

681
00:49:04,719 --> 00:49:09,760
It was NBA at an Okay,
but that's where they had but that's

682
00:49:09,800 --> 00:49:15,480
where they announced the details of the
N Season Tournament and so they did all

683
00:49:15,480 --> 00:49:21,559
that stuff there and then I was
I was at the convo between Joe Dumar's

684
00:49:21,639 --> 00:49:25,480
Byron Spreual and Evan Wash, and
Evan Wash was kind of the mind behind

685
00:49:25,519 --> 00:49:29,960
the analytical side of the N Season
tournament to get it to work, and

686
00:49:30,480 --> 00:49:36,239
they said, this is what they
said is during knockout rounds, teams that

687
00:49:36,320 --> 00:49:39,119
are not playing and knockout rounds are
going to play the next night after those

688
00:49:39,199 --> 00:49:44,840
games. So essentially the way that
I kind of understood that was there's a

689
00:49:45,000 --> 00:49:49,239
block of schedule in November where teams
don't know where they're playing. They're just

690
00:49:49,480 --> 00:49:52,079
not going to know because because you
know, if they if they get out

691
00:49:52,079 --> 00:49:54,840
of there, if they don't get
out of the knockout round early enough or

692
00:49:54,920 --> 00:49:58,920
if they get knocked out early,
they're going to be playing teams who also

693
00:49:58,960 --> 00:50:02,000
got knocked out early and you don't
know who those teams are, So I

694
00:50:02,239 --> 00:50:06,360
kind of think that's going to be
their way to also limit back to backs.

695
00:50:06,440 --> 00:50:08,559
Like the n Season Tournament, those
games are not going to be back

696
00:50:08,599 --> 00:50:10,639
to backs, at least not the
second night of the back to I mean

697
00:50:10,719 --> 00:50:16,480
that begs the questions Brussel. Could
the Clippers, as currently construction constructed,

698
00:50:16,599 --> 00:50:22,239
win the NBA Cup? The Cup? You don't think they can win the

699
00:50:22,360 --> 00:50:30,559
Cup because if a team wins that, do they have an immediate Clippers will

700
00:50:34,360 --> 00:50:39,400
they're doing basically a preview of everything
that's going to happen to the winner of

701
00:50:39,639 --> 00:50:44,519
the n Season Tournament. They will
just be roundly mocked. Will say it

702
00:50:44,679 --> 00:50:50,079
means congrats on the five hundred thousand
dollars, but we don't care. Before

703
00:50:50,199 --> 00:50:53,079
we move on to the hot take, I do want to ask about somebody

704
00:50:53,119 --> 00:50:55,400
else who's been brought in as a
Clipper now that a lot of people are

705
00:50:55,440 --> 00:50:59,920
looking at for some time, including
us on this show. But kJ Martin,

706
00:51:00,440 --> 00:51:04,440
justin I brought up in our last
episode. I'd love to see him

707
00:51:04,480 --> 00:51:09,079
get twenty minutes a night. Bottom
at least twenty minutes a night. Is

708
00:51:09,159 --> 00:51:13,960
that crazy? I know, there's
still still depending on what happens with guys

709
00:51:14,039 --> 00:51:17,679
moving in that position and what transpires
in the offseason. But how much should

710
00:51:17,679 --> 00:51:23,079
he be playing in your mind twenty
five? I think he's gonna be a

711
00:51:23,119 --> 00:51:28,599
twenty five minute per game guy.
I think that I think he gives them

712
00:51:28,760 --> 00:51:32,719
things that they just don't have.
I I know everyone's gonna focus in on

713
00:51:32,800 --> 00:51:36,639
like, you know, he's this
incredible dunker and all this stuff, and

714
00:51:36,719 --> 00:51:39,159
yes he's he really isn't agree.
I think he was seventh this past season

715
00:51:39,199 --> 00:51:43,000
and dunks I wrote about him a
couple of weeks ago, and it's fit

716
00:51:43,079 --> 00:51:46,639
on the team. Like, I
don't think people realized how efficient he is

717
00:51:46,760 --> 00:51:51,760
around the rim. I think among
qualified players, I think he was like

718
00:51:52,199 --> 00:51:54,840
neck and neck with Anthony Davis on
field goal percentage around the rim to see

719
00:51:54,840 --> 00:51:58,199
it for this past year, which
I think he was like fourth or fifth

720
00:51:58,239 --> 00:52:00,880
in the league at that point.
So like, yeah, he finishes around

721
00:52:00,880 --> 00:52:04,400
the rim like an elite big man
and six six six seven, you know.

722
00:52:05,199 --> 00:52:08,320
And I think that he has a
little bit more defensive ability than people

723
00:52:08,400 --> 00:52:15,000
think. He said he's working and
has more off the dribble game than he

724
00:52:15,119 --> 00:52:19,639
was able to show in Houston.
Whether or not I'm I feel comfortable with

725
00:52:19,760 --> 00:52:22,760
watching that transpires another story. But
um, you know, I mean,

726
00:52:23,039 --> 00:52:27,360
he says he has it, so
you gotta believe him until he shows he

727
00:52:27,440 --> 00:52:30,960
doesn't. I don't know if I
buy the three point shooting with him.

728
00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:34,079
I also don't think it'll matter.
For the most part. I think I

729
00:52:34,199 --> 00:52:39,000
think if they really have gone all
in two I'm not gonna say small ball,

730
00:52:39,320 --> 00:52:43,360
I don't think. I don't think
they've gone all into that as evidence

731
00:52:43,400 --> 00:52:49,719
by Mason Plumley being black, which
it's great, Yeah, it's it's fine.

732
00:52:49,920 --> 00:52:52,760
I mean, Zoo was basically dead
in the water for seventy percent of

733
00:52:52,800 --> 00:53:01,159
the season last year before they acquired
him. I look at it as USU,

734
00:53:02,480 --> 00:53:06,280
you miss it when I had your
name is loves maps, which I'm

735
00:53:06,280 --> 00:53:10,079
hoping someone points out, No,
actually I saw that. I saw that.

736
00:53:10,360 --> 00:53:17,159
Chuckle. Um. But I think
I think he gives them a different

737
00:53:17,159 --> 00:53:22,480
ability to play basketball. When I
talked to him at his introductory press scrum

738
00:53:22,719 --> 00:53:25,239
in Vegas, kJ, I asked
him, I said, do you think

739
00:53:25,360 --> 00:53:30,599
people focus too much on positions and
rather than skill set? And he said,

740
00:53:30,639 --> 00:53:32,079
I'm a basketball player, it doesn't
really matter. What position you throw

741
00:53:32,159 --> 00:53:36,039
me in? You know, I'm
there to play. But he did say

742
00:53:36,119 --> 00:53:39,920
he's a three, four and five. So great. I mean, if

743
00:53:40,000 --> 00:53:43,400
you have if you have three positions, I don't know if you have any

744
00:53:43,440 --> 00:53:47,239
position, but you know, look, I'd rather I'd rather the Clippers have

745
00:53:47,440 --> 00:53:50,599
him than not have him. I
think he's a great fit for them.

746
00:53:50,679 --> 00:53:55,079
I I think he's so much different
than Terrence Man that they could have conceivably

747
00:53:55,119 --> 00:53:58,960
played. Yeah, he's a much
more I agree with that. I mean,

748
00:53:58,960 --> 00:54:01,760
I don't think he has the playmaking
that Terrence Man has, or the

749
00:54:01,880 --> 00:54:06,559
ability to even handle the ball now
that Terrence Man has an incredible ability to

750
00:54:06,599 --> 00:54:09,000
handle the ball, but more than
kJ Martin in terms of starting an offense

751
00:54:09,159 --> 00:54:13,599
on a second unit or something like
that. We were talking about that second

752
00:54:13,719 --> 00:54:21,320
unit of what was It was like
Terrence bones kJ, Norm Plum and then

753
00:54:21,400 --> 00:54:24,960
like Norm is like an insanely fun
sounding second unit. I don't know what

754
00:54:25,000 --> 00:54:31,159
how defending, but offensively, that's
a really fun unit to watch. It

755
00:54:31,199 --> 00:54:36,400
would be interesting because I think I
think plumb Ly and I wrote about this,

756
00:54:36,480 --> 00:54:39,639
I think Plumbly and kJ can play
together even with the like without the

757
00:54:39,719 --> 00:54:45,599
spacing element. Really especially because Plumbly
such a good facilitator from the elbows,

758
00:54:45,679 --> 00:54:49,000
and they could run really interesting four
or five or five four pick and rolls

759
00:54:49,039 --> 00:54:52,440
if they really want to. But
the one thing I did right is if

760
00:54:52,519 --> 00:54:57,920
you have kJ Martin, you can't
have them on the floor alongside a center

761
00:54:58,440 --> 00:55:05,280
and Russ. That's three people charging
towards the paint at every opportunity, right

762
00:55:07,039 --> 00:55:10,440
right. I don't think that is
a way forward. But if you took

763
00:55:10,480 --> 00:55:14,079
a center off the floor or you
took Russ off the floor, I think

764
00:55:14,119 --> 00:55:19,280
it's good. I think it good
work. It also depends on what forwards

765
00:55:19,360 --> 00:55:22,199
remain on the roster beyond just Kawai
and PG. So you know, I

766
00:55:22,280 --> 00:55:27,239
mean, the thing I've been kind
of beating the drama out for the last

767
00:55:27,280 --> 00:55:30,000
couple of months is it's time for
Kawai and PG to start playing the three

768
00:55:30,039 --> 00:55:34,599
and the four, like they need
to stop being twos and threes and need

769
00:55:34,639 --> 00:55:37,000
to start being threes and fours.
I think there's Marcus Morrison the starting lineup.

770
00:55:37,119 --> 00:55:42,039
So I don't know what to tell
you. So some some some are

771
00:55:42,119 --> 00:55:44,760
saying, of course, all right, we gotta take it right because you

772
00:55:44,840 --> 00:55:47,840
gotta give the advertisers an opportunity to
help us pay our light bill. We're

773
00:55:47,880 --> 00:55:52,239
gonna be talking some offseason hot takes
as well as how often Russo is gonna

774
00:55:52,239 --> 00:55:54,800
be wearing his sunglasses at games next
year. The ads have been allowed for

775
00:55:54,840 --> 00:55:58,400
you. Go ahead and turn it
down. We got ads going up in

776
00:55:58,519 --> 00:56:05,480
three two. All right, we're
back. Welcome in the clips and debt.

777
00:56:06,039 --> 00:56:09,480
If you're just tuning in, uh, look, we're rounding it.

778
00:56:09,599 --> 00:56:15,000
We're rounding this thing off. We're
gonna talk about some offseason hot takes as

779
00:56:15,039 --> 00:56:19,119
well as, uh, some of
my favorite justin Russo, I wear um

780
00:56:21,039 --> 00:56:24,440
So Russo. I'll kick it to
you. What is your or hottest take

781
00:56:25,199 --> 00:56:31,239
for the upcoming Clippers season? My
hottest take is if the Clippers were all

782
00:56:31,320 --> 00:56:35,880
in on a third guy. I
think the third guy should be Zach Lavin.

783
00:56:36,840 --> 00:56:40,599
That's my hottest take. WHOA is
that a truthful hot take? Like

784
00:56:40,760 --> 00:56:44,519
that's a real belief for yours?
Or you just skip bailing it, skip

785
00:56:44,559 --> 00:56:46,679
bails seing it. Hey, that's
we are. We are. All of

786
00:56:46,760 --> 00:56:50,679
our hosts believe everything they are,
All of our guests believe everything they say.

787
00:56:50,719 --> 00:56:53,440
Come on, don't so he's playing
the tune next to Russell Westbrook in

788
00:56:53,480 --> 00:57:00,639
the starting line up. Yeah,
if if I had it, it would

789
00:57:00,679 --> 00:57:08,679
be Russ Levine pg I. I
generally think that um, just speaking from

790
00:57:08,719 --> 00:57:14,360
a basketball standpoint, that Levine has
been pretty underrated the last couple of years.

791
00:57:15,880 --> 00:57:20,519
Look at him because of the yeah
yeah, yeah, well and the

792
00:57:20,760 --> 00:57:23,239
injury. Yet I think the thing
that people also have overlooked because of his

793
00:57:23,320 --> 00:57:28,199
injuries, how durable he's been.
Like since like the last four years,

794
00:57:28,239 --> 00:57:30,639
he's played like eighty five percent of
the games. Like that's like Clipper fans

795
00:57:30,679 --> 00:57:34,079
would kill for a guy like that
to play, you know, eighty five

796
00:57:34,079 --> 00:57:36,679
percent of the games a year,
you know. So, like I remember,

797
00:57:36,840 --> 00:57:38,880
like the one of the things everyone
loved about Russ has his availability,

798
00:57:38,920 --> 00:57:44,519
and it's like, okay, well
you know so. But with Levine on

799
00:57:44,719 --> 00:57:49,239
the court, I think he is
an elite shooter who doesn't get the acclaim

800
00:57:49,280 --> 00:57:52,239
of an elite shooter simply because people
still view him as just a dunker.

801
00:57:52,159 --> 00:57:57,480
And like you look through his career, he's an elite elite, elite,

802
00:57:57,480 --> 00:58:01,480
elite catching shoe guy, UM,
elite driving to the rim, elite finisher

803
00:58:01,519 --> 00:58:05,559
around the rim, great jump shooter, you know, mid range, et

804
00:58:05,599 --> 00:58:08,519
cetera. No he's not a good
not a good defender. But I also

805
00:58:08,760 --> 00:58:15,400
bath my big yeah, my,
my big gripe has been I think I

806
00:58:15,480 --> 00:58:17,320
think people care about defense. That's
your big grime. I've been my big

807
00:58:17,360 --> 00:58:22,440
gripe lately. Yeah, I think
people give us. I think you're right.

808
00:58:22,880 --> 00:58:27,519
I agree with you, like even
when like the Clippers defense has like

809
00:58:27,679 --> 00:58:32,239
then the best and the offense is
like slogging, you're not stopping one hundred

810
00:58:32,280 --> 00:58:36,599
percent of it, like what we
should you care about it? I'm not

811
00:58:36,679 --> 00:58:40,639
saying he said too much, too
much. I think that's one hundred percent

812
00:58:40,719 --> 00:58:45,440
fair. I want games to be
ninety two to seventy four. Also,

813
00:58:46,039 --> 00:58:51,639
I want I want the pen date
beyond Mitchell's playing each other every single game

814
00:58:51,920 --> 00:58:57,679
and no West of course, Spurs
Piston give me that. Weren't the Bulls

815
00:58:57,719 --> 00:59:01,119
a top ten defense last season?
I've seen him play good defense at times.

816
00:59:01,159 --> 00:59:05,920
I think a lot of it is
he has too much of the scoring

817
00:59:06,000 --> 00:59:09,000
load on his plate to focus much
energy on that end. I'm a big

818
00:59:09,119 --> 00:59:13,079
fan of Zach Levine, so I
don't know if this is my hot take

819
00:59:13,199 --> 00:59:16,360
jumping on and piggybacking onto with Justin
Russo SAand but I do think there's a

820
00:59:16,440 --> 00:59:22,159
lot more to his game that's substance
than style than people realize. So what's

821
00:59:22,199 --> 00:59:27,960
your offer in this scenario for Zach
Lavine? I think you just offer everything

822
00:59:28,039 --> 00:59:30,119
you can I thought. I think
with Levine, like Taran, there were

823
00:59:30,159 --> 00:59:36,519
the reason I went offer two First
you can trade and then whatever salary to

824
00:59:36,559 --> 00:59:40,199
get Yeah, because Vine. Yeah, because Levine's locked up to a longer

825
00:59:40,280 --> 00:59:43,360
deal, so like you don't have
to worry about you know, like,

826
00:59:43,440 --> 00:59:45,880
oh he might walk. I also
think the fact that he's I think he's

827
00:59:45,920 --> 00:59:52,039
twenty seven, So I'm not I'm
not exactly sure if that's how if I

828
00:59:52,079 --> 01:00:00,400
feel like he's twenty seven, Okay, the whole credibility one, it's on

829
01:00:00,480 --> 01:00:07,719
this next No, But like he's
got age workings in this way, he

830
01:00:08,039 --> 01:00:12,360
has the athleticism the Clippers need,
especially in the open floor. You know,

831
01:00:12,480 --> 01:00:15,599
a league offensive player gotten better as
a playmaker over the years. I'm

832
01:00:15,599 --> 01:00:21,400
not going to say he's a great
player, but you have enough like the

833
01:00:21,679 --> 01:00:23,519
guys who can kind of playmake.
We have a lot of those guys.

834
01:00:23,639 --> 01:00:28,559
Also, Levine locked in for two
more years and then a player option in

835
01:00:28,679 --> 01:00:32,679
twenty six twenty seven, when he's
thirty one, which is really helpful for

836
01:00:32,719 --> 01:00:40,480
the Clippers. Yeah, I think
I generally think I would that I would

837
01:00:40,519 --> 01:00:45,519
go for him over James Harden.
But I will say I understand why the

838
01:00:45,559 --> 01:00:47,679
Clippers would go for James Harden.
All the guys on the team like James

839
01:00:47,719 --> 01:00:52,639
Harden. He's from the area,
one year left. If it all goes

840
01:00:52,679 --> 01:00:54,519
bad, you can just knuke the
whole thing anyways, So I get it.

841
01:00:55,199 --> 01:00:59,760
But with Levine, I think the
upside play is a little bit longer

842
01:00:59,760 --> 01:01:04,119
at fuck because I think with LAVIDI
keeps your window open like an extra year,

843
01:01:04,480 --> 01:01:08,039
almost just because of his age.
Yeah, I think it's very well.

844
01:01:08,119 --> 01:01:15,280
What's your hot take? Hot take? Oh man, I really did

845
01:01:15,360 --> 01:01:19,760
not plan ahead for this one at
all. Um. I mean you're recording

846
01:01:19,800 --> 01:01:22,199
from my kitchen because you're late from
work and you didn't have any time to

847
01:01:22,320 --> 01:01:30,800
prepare. What the hell man?
My hot take? Um? Is this

848
01:01:31,000 --> 01:01:35,239
idea stemming from the weather recently in
the heat waves, like, oh,

849
01:01:35,280 --> 01:01:38,440
we gotta go hot takes today too? Sweaty chuck, I'm covered in sweat.

850
01:01:38,480 --> 01:01:43,079
I'm in a tiny room. This
is a nightmare for everyone who's watching

851
01:01:43,199 --> 01:01:45,440
on YouTube. They can just see
me pouring sweat right now. You guys

852
01:01:45,480 --> 01:01:52,920
said the Clippers should spend the first
three quarters of the season trying to give

853
01:01:52,000 --> 01:01:58,599
Paul George his absolute best numbers season
that he's ever put up to get him

854
01:01:58,639 --> 01:02:07,079
the hell off this team. WHOA, That's what I'm going with. It's

855
01:02:07,119 --> 01:02:09,480
a pretty good hot take. I
think you gotta pump up that value.

856
01:02:09,920 --> 01:02:16,119
Let's try to get a little return, baby man, that's a solid one.

857
01:02:16,920 --> 01:02:20,719
Chuck, who are you at something? She's not happening. It's just

858
01:02:20,840 --> 01:02:22,800
not gonna happen yet. It's not
gonna happen. But it's also not happening

859
01:02:23,440 --> 01:02:28,559
like the Hilary ob isn't happening with
this iteration of the team. So I

860
01:02:28,639 --> 01:02:31,400
would say, try to maximize your
value, don't be fucking Darryl Morey in

861
01:02:31,440 --> 01:02:37,880
this situation, and really wait it
out. Hot take for the season.

862
01:02:40,199 --> 01:02:43,920
I have a crazy one, but
I don't know if it's if it's even

863
01:02:44,039 --> 01:02:47,559
possible, would be that Tyler would
be fired mid season? WHOA? What?

864
01:02:49,239 --> 01:02:52,320
I have no idea how that would
happen. You want to replace him?

865
01:02:52,559 --> 01:02:55,239
I'm not saying I want that to
happen. I'm just saying I think

866
01:02:55,440 --> 01:02:58,719
that take it is. No,
I know, I don't think it takes

867
01:02:58,760 --> 01:03:00,960
necessarily that. I think the possibility
of it's there. The thing that I

868
01:03:01,000 --> 01:03:07,599
would want to happen would be I'm
gonna steel Russos the Levine trade. He's

869
01:03:07,599 --> 01:03:10,559
talked me into it. I don't
know if Harden that seems like a nightmare

870
01:03:10,599 --> 01:03:15,800
from your own bit rufe still did
that one? Come on? I did?

871
01:03:15,960 --> 01:03:22,440
I said Tyler would maybe get fired. Um. Too many hokeloaders on

872
01:03:22,519 --> 01:03:25,760
this podcast, justin there's a lot
of freeloaders on this podcast. One of

873
01:03:25,800 --> 01:03:31,000
them is freeloading in my damn kitchen
right now. Uh no, hot take,

874
01:03:31,880 --> 01:03:35,480
Oh, this one is again.
These are the things I don't want

875
01:03:35,519 --> 01:03:37,920
to happen, but I think they
might. Hot take Marcus Morris starting for

876
01:03:38,320 --> 01:03:45,639
Opening Night. That's what I say
that because I hate that's a crazy thing.

877
01:03:46,679 --> 01:03:51,800
That's insane. They've already tried to
trade him. What I do,

878
01:03:52,559 --> 01:03:55,639
that's a I think that would be
insane if that happened. All right,

879
01:03:55,639 --> 01:04:04,719
how about that? I actually it's
a lot more than that. But Chuck,

880
01:04:05,039 --> 01:04:10,159
Chuck's right on the surface, it's
it's insane to see that happen.

881
01:04:10,760 --> 01:04:15,159
But I don't think that's out of
the realm of possibility. And I'm not

882
01:04:15,239 --> 01:04:17,400
gonna say he didn't say that it
is. I'm not gonna say that as

883
01:04:17,480 --> 01:04:21,199
of right now where we sit,
that does not seem like that wild of

884
01:04:21,320 --> 01:04:27,400
a scenario that they've already tried to
trade him. I think it would be

885
01:04:27,480 --> 01:04:30,519
pretty wild. Yeah, already tried
to move him. The first thing they

886
01:04:30,559 --> 01:04:33,719
did and cut. Eric Gordon was
saying, let's get Marcus Morris off the

887
01:04:33,800 --> 01:04:38,880
team, and then the Celtics were
like, you can't see our medical reports,

888
01:04:39,320 --> 01:04:43,880
and then they said okay by which
was the right decision. But was

889
01:04:43,920 --> 01:04:48,519
it the right decision Roussett, Yeah, yeah, so thank you. Justin

890
01:04:51,400 --> 01:04:57,599
Here's the thing, the Cookers wanted
more from what I have heard, I've

891
01:04:57,599 --> 01:05:00,159
talked to a couple of people about
this. The Slippers wanted more time to

892
01:05:00,280 --> 01:05:04,960
review the medical stuff. And Boston
was up against a deadline because of porzingis

893
01:05:05,119 --> 01:05:11,840
Is having to pick up his player
option. But like, I guess there's

894
01:05:11,880 --> 01:05:17,800
some wishy washiness a foot there where
like Boston could have talked to Porzingis about

895
01:05:17,800 --> 01:05:21,800
pushing the deadline back so that Washington
Porzingis could have pushed it back so they

896
01:05:21,800 --> 01:05:25,880
can negotiate the other thing. But
I don't know what really happened on that

897
01:05:26,000 --> 01:05:28,800
front. But basically, the Clippers
wanted, you know, I wanted time

898
01:05:28,840 --> 01:05:31,039
to look at the medical stuff,
and it just didn't. They weren't out

899
01:05:31,079 --> 01:05:36,760
four of the time. I'm not
saying anyone's really at fault there. I'm

900
01:05:36,800 --> 01:05:40,360
not gonna blame Boston. It is
their fault, but I'm not gonna blame

901
01:05:40,400 --> 01:05:45,440
Boston. But no, I think
they were fine too back out of it.

902
01:05:45,519 --> 01:05:49,000
It'll be interesting because they might go
back and talk about Brogden again.

903
01:05:49,079 --> 01:05:54,280
I don't know. I mean,
we'll see he Broughton FETs. He's always

904
01:05:54,400 --> 01:05:57,800
we got a lot of offensive guys
always, he's a perfect Clipper. Um

905
01:05:58,920 --> 01:06:01,360
well, justin okay, so I
haven't pegged it. Two and a half.

906
01:06:01,719 --> 01:06:05,119
Will took the over. Adam took
the under on games. You're gonna

907
01:06:05,159 --> 01:06:10,840
wear sunglasses too next season? Where
do we think it's under? It's under?

908
01:06:11,000 --> 01:06:17,760
So too, it's under, it's
under all right? So are you

909
01:06:17,880 --> 01:06:23,159
counting it as games where I show
up in the sunglasses even though you're wearing

910
01:06:23,199 --> 01:06:27,519
them the whole time? Oh the
whole time? Not? Okay? Well,

911
01:06:28,239 --> 01:06:30,960
he's been bitten by that once.
He's not gonna make that mistake again.

912
01:06:30,159 --> 01:06:33,400
And we thought you were the slash
of reporters. We'll see, we'll

913
01:06:33,440 --> 01:06:38,679
see if he doesn't get bitten by
that again. I mean I walk in

914
01:06:38,840 --> 01:06:42,039
sometimes with them on, but then
I'll take them off for the regular glasses

915
01:06:42,119 --> 01:06:44,840
later on. That's always happens.
And uh, well, I hope nothing

916
01:06:44,880 --> 01:06:50,039
happens to your glasses when you're before
the game. Thanks forty one home games

917
01:06:50,079 --> 01:06:54,400
for me. Don't figure something out
to get into two games wearing those sunglasses.

918
01:06:54,440 --> 01:06:56,800
Just tell everyone there, Joe.
Please, guys, you don't need

919
01:06:56,840 --> 01:07:02,440
to steal these. So thank you
so much for joining Clips and Dip.

920
01:07:02,639 --> 01:07:06,360
It's our second season. It's been
wonderful to have you. Where can these

921
01:07:06,480 --> 01:07:12,119
fantastic, highly intelligent listeners find your
work Because you recently made a bit of

922
01:07:12,159 --> 01:07:15,440
a change, it's still your elite
Clippers coverage. Despite when you try and

923
01:07:15,519 --> 01:07:18,480
talk about Marcus Morris helping out on
rebounds. People were so mad at you

924
01:07:18,559 --> 01:07:21,280
for that tweet, and it is
so funny to me, Oh you were

925
01:07:21,360 --> 01:07:26,639
the John Snow it was well,
the funny part was it. I think

926
01:07:26,679 --> 01:07:30,920
you literally just tweet out like WHOA
something weird? I'd noticed Marcus Morris the

927
01:07:30,039 --> 01:07:34,159
dada, but like, it wasn't
some like Marcus Morris needs to be starting,

928
01:07:34,639 --> 01:07:41,079
Like you literally just pointed it out. So the funny the funny part

929
01:07:41,119 --> 01:07:45,559
about that was it's quite literally what
the Clippers were. You totally reason for

930
01:07:45,679 --> 01:07:49,360
him starting. So it's not like
I just brought it to the forefront as

931
01:07:49,400 --> 01:07:53,920
like you don't think it had something
to do with just players on the court

932
01:07:54,079 --> 01:07:58,320
more comfortable with him because of his
shot creation in the past, and Kawuhi

933
01:07:58,440 --> 01:08:00,599
and Paul George wanted him out there
are coach lu Warrant out there for that.

934
01:08:03,519 --> 01:08:06,360
I think that played a factor.
And then I think they they looked

935
01:08:06,360 --> 01:08:10,880
at numbers that basically said, hey, when he's off the floor, but

936
01:08:11,000 --> 01:08:14,239
all the other guys are on.
You know, some of our rebounding numbers

937
01:08:14,480 --> 01:08:16,640
are are down, some of our
defensive numbers are down. You know,

938
01:08:16,760 --> 01:08:20,319
some of our three point numbers are
down. It wasn't This isn't to say

939
01:08:20,399 --> 01:08:28,520
that Marcus Morris was an incredible difference
maker on the floor, because all this

940
01:08:28,560 --> 01:08:32,319
stuff was kind of marginal to a
little degree. But at the same point,

941
01:08:32,439 --> 01:08:35,399
it's what they looked at. I
mean, they have an analytic staff

942
01:08:35,439 --> 01:08:40,239
that went over stuff. And if
I'll put it to you like this,

943
01:08:40,479 --> 01:08:44,479
if if the numbers are saying that
things are somewhat even in a lot of

944
01:08:44,520 --> 01:08:47,479
capacity, and then you ask the
players who they would prefer, and the

945
01:08:47,560 --> 01:08:50,479
players picked that guy out there.
That's just the way it's going to be.

946
01:08:50,800 --> 01:09:00,319
Makes sense. No, my dog
is walking around it trying to chew

947
01:09:00,359 --> 01:09:04,279
on things that I'm trying to stop
them. That's going dangerous. So where

948
01:09:04,319 --> 01:09:11,239
can these people find your fantastic work
now that we've you can find me on

949
01:09:11,439 --> 01:09:17,359
substack at Justin Russo dot substack dot
com. I haven't started. It's free

950
01:09:17,439 --> 01:09:21,520
for right now, but it will
be subscription based during the regular season.

951
01:09:23,279 --> 01:09:25,720
But for right now, it's still
free if people want to stop buy and

952
01:09:25,800 --> 01:09:29,119
read stuff and just see the random
things I end up writing about, Like

953
01:09:29,960 --> 01:09:33,920
in the process of writing about five
guys five types of role players that the

954
01:09:33,960 --> 01:09:39,640
Clippers should possibly look at that are
like non stars. So like, for

955
01:09:39,760 --> 01:09:42,079
instance, one of the guys on
the list is d Anthony Meltons. There

956
01:09:42,119 --> 01:09:44,319
we go about maybe a PJ.
Twiper in there. He might be a

957
01:09:44,359 --> 01:09:49,079
future Clipper as we talked about before. I Well, thank you so much.

958
01:09:49,600 --> 01:09:53,960
Well, where can these fantastic people
find this podcast which will be out

959
01:09:54,079 --> 01:09:57,000
next week around Wednesday Thursday maybe with
the guest. Who knows? Where could

960
01:09:57,039 --> 01:10:00,840
they listen to us? So you
could check us out wherever you to your

961
01:10:00,880 --> 01:10:03,279
podcast, Apple podcast or Spotify,
you can leave a radio or review for

962
01:10:03,359 --> 01:10:06,600
us, which really helps us out. But we're also on Google Podcasts,

963
01:10:06,680 --> 01:10:12,279
at your deezer, Amazon Music,
and check out our YouTube over at YouTube

964
01:10:12,359 --> 01:10:16,640
dot com slash Clippers podcast Chop it
up, Chop it up with us anytime

965
01:10:16,840 --> 01:10:20,079
over on Twitter that's at clippers pod. Yeah. But Adam one positive thing

966
01:10:20,199 --> 01:10:27,520
to let these fans off with while
they enjoy their weekend. Justin Russo looks

967
01:10:27,560 --> 01:10:33,800
good in glasses. I don't know
what. He's a stylish guy. I

968
01:10:33,920 --> 01:10:40,199
see him all the time hanging out
with the gm ROW. Yeah. Now

969
01:10:40,319 --> 01:10:45,760
say, I'll be back on this
podcast like you are the terminator, I'll

970
01:10:45,800 --> 01:10:48,520
be back on the spot. We
thank him for listening back to you next

971
01:10:48,560 --> 01:10:51,199
weekend. As always, what do
we say, Oh, yeah, that's

972
01:10:51,239 --> 01:10:53,760
right, let's go clips