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Jesse Sovi here and Victor Nounyo. Fantasy Hockey Live back once again. I
am Jesse Severe fan Tracks joining me across the glass Victor Nunno of EP Ringside.
Victor, how you doing? I am doing awesome, Jesse. We're
sitting here on October fifteenth, and I was lucky enough yesterday to be hanging
out with the family and I got a text from a friend of mine and
he said, Hey, I have fourth throw seats to the Sharks game tonight.
Do you want to go? And I'm like, uh sure, So
I got to do that last night. That was pretty fun. It was
a really good game too. I was excited. I thought the Avalanche would
would truck the Sharks and it didn't quite work out that way, though they
still did win. But yeah, it was really fun to see some up
close and personal action and it's great. And we also are celebrating a bit
of a milestone here, aren't we. Hey look at us man. We
are three hundred episodes into the show, so that's pretty cool. It's unbelievable
at this point. But yeah, man, it's long Jet. They haven't
figured out how to cancel us yet. They're working on it, but they
haven't figured it out yet. Yeah, it's a long that's a lot of
episodes. And I think the biggest thing that comes to mind for me is
I just appreciate everyone listening and we can still do this. I know sometimes
you've mentioned I feel like we're speaking into the void, and it appears to
not be the case. I think some people are listening and so that's helpful.
So really grateful for that, and also just thinking back about the all
the For me, I just think about all the guys I've been wrong about,
because that's usually where my brain goes first. But I definitely want to
shout out one that you were right about, and that's you were always a
truther for rossmus Dolling and now he is. He's basically a star, like
a lot of people thought, and there were times in there where there was
a lot of skepticism and that was one guy that you were always like,
I still think he's going to be great, And there were definitely some guys
like that that we were right about, right, Yeah, for sure,
for sure, you keep a show going for I'm just looking at this four
years and four months. This show has been on the air now, So
you do that long enough, you're bound to have some good takes and some
bad takes. That's pretty much how it goes. But yeah, Dollan Hill,
I think I've even had we even had a segment to that effect.
And finally, finally that flag is not completely burned up. But I think
you died on Dollan Hill a few times and then you got revived and came
out. Yeah. Well, yeah, there's a commemorative statue to me up
there, but it's right next to the Rasmus statue. But yeah, man,
we've had good takes over the years. You're Jason Robertson take has aged
extremely well over the years, the lesser Robertson and of others, and of
course the Cal Peterson take never did survive. That has not worked out.
We did have a good time at least, but yeah, Victor, three
hundred episodes in and the regular season is back, and regular season is actually
it's practically the off season for us in doing the show as a Dynasty show.
I was listening a friend of mine does a Dynasty football podcast, and
he actually they don't even do the show during the regular season, which kind
of blew my mind. I was like, then, it occurred to me
while he's doing all these other shows. But we don't believe in that.
We believe in doing shows year round. But when we're not on this hectic
pace of doing multiple per week for the team previews, it can settle down
a little bit. So we're you know, we're gonna do a more relaxed,
a more intimate episode today. We do have a guest, a great
guest who's been doing great yeoman's work for the site for the tidy Leaks,
Ryan Downey today, and then you and I are going to do our annual
traditional discussion of our shares for the year. We'll set up that segment as
well when we get there. But I don't know, Victor, do you
have any words of wisdom from this show surviving to this point? The Internet
really can't cancel anything. If you're determined enough, you can just keep hopping
around. They can never catch you. Yeah, I'd like to think that
we've grown a little wiser in our takes and seeing patterns. Sometimes you feel
like you see the matrix and you can see what's going to happen, and
a lot of times you just feel like you have no idea and you just
throw your hands up. But I think we've gotten a little bit better at
reading the tea leaves and hopefully that's translated. Sometimes I think it's just about
being honest, being accountable, and saying this is what I think, and
sometimes it works out, sometimes it doesn't, but we're always going to give
you our honest opinion and we're always going to hold ourselves accountable. I think
one thing we really try to do is not just say things that are shocking
just for clicks or listens or anything like that. We try to be very
reasonable and sometimes we're passionate and feel strongly about something and sometimes not, and
we try to make that clear too, because there's different levels of confidence.
But I think that you do this long enough, you have to. You
have to be accountable, right. You can't just you can't just say wildish
crazy things and survive this long really unless people just totally expect that from you.
But yeah, I just appreciate everyone keep listening, and we're always open
to feedback and always trying to make the show better. I got the website
now, and we've got you know, all kinds of good things, I
think, and more to come. I think that we still have ambitions for
more cool things, player cards, for prospects. There's some cool things in
the work, So keep listening and give us your feedback if there's things you
want to see or here. The great innovation of the history of the cast,
I think is the tiered Dynasty Leagues, and frankly both sets of dynasty
leagues we've created. So let's come back and talk about early returns from the
Tiered Dynasty aka the Tidy thing. Time for a news segment on the show.
We are going to be promoting and highlighting our awesome league, the Tier
Dynasy, the Tidy, And to do that, we've brought in our Tidy
Admiral. We have Ryan Downey who's been helping out with the leagues and helping
out with the setup and also digging into some of the interesting storylines and trades
and things that have happened. And so we're going to hopefully discuss all those
things and make it relevant to everybody and not just those of you that are
in the league, because I think there's some really interesting things to discuss here.
But without further ado, Ryan, how are you doing and welcome to
the show. Hey Victor, I'm well, thanks so much for having me.
It's really actually before we even get started here, I have to congratulate
you and Jesse on three hundred Fantasy Hockey Life episodes. It's truly an impressive
feat when you consider how many hours you must spend recording and getting all these
guests, and we really appreciate it as the community, and I'm excited to
be taking on this new role as we crest past this milestone. Yeah,
up, up and beyond right, that's the goal here, just make it
bigger and better. And we couldn't do it without great people in the community
as yourself, So we really appreciate that. And yes, I don't even
want to try to count the number of hours that have gone into the hundred
episodes, but it's all for love and we love doing it. But yeah,
we have a couple of really interesting things to talk about. And the
first thing surround around a few trades, but I think there's a more interesting
underlying storyline that is happening here and what you actually discover this, if I'm
not mistaken, So tell us a little bit about how you discovered this and
what your thoughts are on this team building process. Yeah, it's really interesting.
With the Tidy we have such a variety of managers and management styles and
management teams. If I can draw it for a second, you are talking
to a Tidy champion here, co champion with Edward. We won the or
League last year to get up to Lord Stanley here. But there's so many
different ways that you can get to the top tier by kind of the decisions
that you make, like who you pick up, who you trade for.
I know in our league last year there were very few trades, and Edward
and I took advantage of that and we did a lot of trades to move
guys. I remember specifically we moved Jarvis and Quinn for Keller and maybe some
other top twenty winger and that was what pushed us over the edge. But
this particular strategy that we're going to highlight here is one that I find very
amusing, very fun, and I'm excited to see how it plays out.
I first noticed it, and we're talking about a team, the Melbourne Ducks
in the Or Division. Melbourne Ducks is managed by a manager named Peter b.
In the discord, Peter has been a real joy to chat with thus
far through the beginning of our off season process here and I found this out
confirmed by Peter that he is looking to in his words, a chi or
greatness with all the Croatian background NHL ers and his team, and Peter is
a Croatian, he lives in Australia, a very interesting fellow and indeed,
when you look at the various moves that he has made thus far in his
time in Or, it is really interesting. It started at the draft and
I actually had to step in here as part of my duties as the tidy
Admiral. I'm there to help out when you and Jesse are not available with
commissioner type things, player movement, that kind of thing. And so I
had noticed actually that Peter had attempted to draft an overager, Michael Vakoyevich,
who's currently playing d for the Yutka Comets in the Devil's prospect system. He
was not eligible to be picked because we were only doing I think with these
continuation prospect drafts. We were only doing the twenty twenty three draft eligibles.
Peter used his pick eventually on Thomas Milich, who is some may remember it
was a goalie for Team Canada in the World Juniors a couple of years back,
I want to say, two or three years ago for the World Juniors
and he is u Croatian descent, and so this kind of hit me off.
Very interesting correlation between those two players. And then the trades started rolling
in, and this is where you really see where Peter is going with his
kind of team build. He wanted to acquire some really good Croatian players to
fill out his roster, and so we have a trade and you can see
actually for all of those in the Fantasy Hockey Life discord. You can see
the trades that are happening across the Tidy in our Tidy Trades channel, and
you can see polls where you can vote on the result. And the first
trade that is relevant here to discuss with the Melbourne Ducks. The Melbourne Ducks
acquired Bo Horvat and defenseman Alex Vlassk from Letty Zeppelin for rope hints. We
do have a center swap here with a bit of a sweetener from Letty's Zeppelin
to allow Melbourne Ducks to acquire Bo Horvat. Bo Horvat is a player of
Croatian descent. His parents are second generation Croatian, which if my math is
correct, that means his randparents are Croatian. Vlassic also is of Croatian descent.
So this extra player that goes in the deal to make the value gap
between Horbat and Hints a bit more palatable is also of Croatian descent. So
this is the first trade that I think is interesting. If Victor, do
you have any thoughts to share on Horvat for Hints with the vlastic sweetener.
So there's a lot that you could say about this trade. Obviously, there's
potentially an issue with a new manager coming in and you worry that maybe they're
going to get fleeced or get taken advantage of. And this was a new
GM in this league who took over from all the promoted teams, and they
drafted from the players that were left, and there was a little newness to
the league. And so I think when it first happened, a lot of
us were taken aback. WHOA. I like Hints, I think he's great,
But when you actually look at the numbers, in these settings, they're
really close. Hints is six point five to one fantasy points per game based
on last season's numbers, and Horror is six point three seven. You're talking
about a negligible difference there between the two. And then Alex Lasik, who
didn't play much this season but might factor in more this season. Sure looks
like he's going to. I know you also had some polls that you set
up to track this based on other managers, right, yeah. Our tidy
manager pool definitely has voted for the rupe Hints side of the trade, with
thirty total votes, around ninety four percent of our membership selecting rope Hints over
Bohrbet. I think, obviously we can take into account moving to the New
York Islanders being in a bit more defense first system. This was Bohorbet's career
year. There's you can hear all of that. Certainly, when a guy
believes in one of his guys, that is one of the more important and
fun things about fantasy hockey. I am a Toronto Maple Leaf fan, of
some people will know, and until very recently we had a GM who really
loved his guys. Kyle Dubis would have gotten every player from the Susain Marie
Greyhounds if he had it, if he had the choice. Even in the
NHL, we have gms who love their guys. Although the Tidy membership has
voted against this trade for Peter, I can definitely see why he's doing it.
And then if we move even further into the trade list here we have
a couple of more trades that are perhaps lopsided, but we have one that's
really even, as determined by our Tidy membership, the Melbourne Ducks. Peter's
team acquires Sammy Blay, Travis Hamminik and Bobby Brink from Gokuchuk yourself, Corey,
a favorite manager among our Tidy leagues, for Jonathan Lecanomaki, Ross Colton,
and the Tidy membership has judged this trade as pretty much even. We
have thirteen total votes, fifty percent of our membership voting it as even.
The Croatian element in this trade is, of course Travis Hamminick, who is
of Croatian descent. I couldn't figure out how far back it isn't his family,
but Victor, what do you think about this? Blaze, Hamminik,
Brink for Leketamaki and Colton. Yeah, I don't necessarily I think it's that
even I side more with with Corey's side ad and not necessarily because of La
Katamaki, But I think Colton He's he could get some really nice opportunity there
in Colorado, So I think in terms of a win, now you like
that. But I think Bobby Brink is the big X factor here because we
just don't really know what he's gonna do. He looks like he could be
in line to do pretty good stuff for Philly. Their top six, top
nine is pretty wide open, so from that perspective you like it. And
Bla Blaze is just a solid floor guy for all his periffs. I'm not
sure how much Hamminick even really plays into the equation, but except for the
Croatian part, But in terms of the fantasy asset, he's He's definitely towards
the bottom of guys that you'd be interested in. But because it does,
this league does reward things like Fenwick and not taking penalties Hammenick has and time
on ice, Hamminick has a little bit more value than he would in other
formats, so there's decent there. But yeah, this certainly isn't like a
huge disparity by any means, definitely more even. Yeah, and certainly you
can look at the decline in the projection for Lekatamaki, you can look at
Ross Colton moving to a new team, and you can see where the genesis
of this deal comes from. We have some assets of unclear value certainly here
onto the final trade here to discuss with Team Croatia, as we're going to
call it here. The pista resistance for any competitive team is a high end
scorer. And if you're trying to build the best Croatian descent team that you
can, you need to go for Travis Connectney. Travis Connectney, interestingly enough,
is cousins with Bohorvat, so presumably his grandparents are also Croatian as well.
And we have a trade here between the Melbourne Ducks and Endoor HC.
We have the Melbourne Ducks acquiring Travis Connectney and we have Endoor HC acquiring Kyle
Conner. And on the face of it, again, this looks like a
pretty lopsided deal, especially when you consider we have a bit of a how
do we say it, a bit of a shallower pool for right wingers across
the NHL right now, when it comes to fantasy leagues, what do you
think of Connecty for Connor, It's interesting that this went so lopsided. I
can't remember if I voted on this or not, But when you look at
the fantasy points, Connectey actually has more tidy fantasy points or had last year
by half a fantasy point. So you're talking about positional scarcity. You're talking
about a team that is probably on the up, or at least doesn't have
much more direction to go butt up in the Philadelphia Flyers and then and then
the Winnipeg Jets with cal Connor. There's a lot of question marks there right
what is happening, Like how good is that top six top line going to
be? And Kyle Connor, as good as he is in certain formats for
points and shots, he isn't so he's pretty poor defensively, So I bet
his Fenwick is probably dragging him down a little bit, which is counted in
this league. So you know, you might think on the surface, just
looking at it, oh, Kyle Connor is a better player, and maybe
he is for getting goals, but in this format, Connecting might even be
better. And I'm surprised how incredibly lopsided this was with you, I should
say yeah, I should say off the top that the voting was incredibly lopsided
here, with ninety seven percent thirty one total votes going to the Kyle Connor
side, with only one manager voting it as even. And these votes are
anonymous, I should say, so, if you're voting on these, we're
not calling you out for your votes. This is just a great way for
us to figure out what the Tidy membership thinks about certain trades and certain players.
I was a little surprised as well. You have Winnegg on the downswing
and Philadelphia, as you said, they're heading up eventually. I was a
little bit surprised by someone who has won in this format. You know that
there are other things at play besides goal scoring and point scoring. You mentioned
it earlier. We have Fenwick, we have giveaway takeaway ratio, We have
all sorts of elements that can make Travis Connectney and his skill in transporting the
puck very relevant to this league. And when it comes to the team Croatia
strategy here, what I have to say on is that we all have different
goals in Dynasty. For instance, this past year, I think it would
have been easier for us to win than compared to other years because there was
Connor Bedard at the end of the line for the teams that chose to not
pursue a championship this year, and certainly we had a lot of the teams
vying for that asset. We all have different goals and so Team Croatia is
awesome in my opinion. That's not to mention the fact that Fantasy Hockey is
supposed to be fun and we all have our own guys that we believe in,
maybe more than others. A lot of these trades are closer than they
appear when you look at what our Tidy membership thinks about it. Another thing
to remember is the context of where teams are in their build cycle. A
trade that we didn't mention that people can go and check out on the Tidy
Trades channel was another trade that to the Melbourne Ducks made where they traded away
basically all the Vegas goaltenders to acquire Carter Hart among some other pieces. We
won't get into that here, but the reason I think why Peter felt comfortable
doing that is he has Ottinger is great. You know what you're going to
get from him. At this point, he also has Samsonov, so maybe
giving up those goalies doesn't matter for him. We're all in different places with
our teams, and so it's important to remember on the face of it that
every dynasty trade can be a win. Yeah. I definitely agree there,
and I love it too. If you want to criticize a move like this,
I think you just have to sit back and think about how hard it
would be. I remember I was talking on Twitter a while ago with a
GM who wanted to get only Swedish players and talking there's a little bit more
options there than Croatian players, obviously, but if you want to talk about
doing fantasy on hard mode, limit yourself to one nationality. It is incredibly
challenging. Like it's hard enough just having all your options open and having whatever
possibilities and things like salary cap and dynasty and lots of miners, and the
way we have it set up to is you win connor Berdard, so you
don't luck into it. You have to have enough good players to actually win
the relegation or the Constellation playoffs. There are a lot of factors that go
into it, and doing something like this, we're perhaps overpaying for players of
certain nationality, it just makes it extra hard but also fun and you get
to root for your guys, and there's there's something certainly special to that.
Anyways, we are wishing nothing but the best for Peter in his first year
for tidy Or as he tries to climb the rankings and join the rest of
us in Lord Stanley on the backs of all of these Croatian descent players of
Croatian descent. I think it's a very unique strategy. And thank you so
much, Peter for allowing us to talk about your team today. There is
something for everybody in the Tidy And we'll move on to another situation here that
I've noticed as we're leading up to the season. Here, the draft is
over and teams are looking to fill some holes that maybe have cropped up as
a result of their draft strategies. I'd love to highlight a trade here in
Tidy Gretzky. And of course at any point you can go and check out
Fantasy Hockeylife dot com. The new website looks beautiful, Victor, and it's
really got a great visualization of how these leagues break down. When we look
at Tidy Gretzky's trades. We see a trade between Craftster and the Portland Pirates.
They made an interesting deal and both have offered some insight to be shared
here on the show, and we appreciate their contribution certainly. So we have
Pis and Craftser acquiring defenseman Scott Perunovich from the Saint Louis Blues and center rope
Hints of the Dallas Stars for Senator Trevor Zegris from the Anaheim Ducks and Senator
Wyatt Johnston from the Dallas Stars. The tidy membership seems to think this is
pretty even, with a slight lean to Zegras and Johnston. We have eight
total votes on this trade at the time of this recording, forty seven percent
for Zegras and Johnston, seven one less vote, forty one percent for Scott
Prunovich of rope Hints, with two managers voting it as an even deal.
What do you think about this deal, Victor? On the surface, I
would want rupe Hints. He's I think the best asset in the trade.
I also really the upside of Scott Perunovich, but he is certainly someone who
we don't know if he's ever going to fully translate his potential. He looks
amazing at times, he gets hurt all the time. He hasn't been able
to fully translate his skill, so that's the other thing. Ziegres is obviously
a really fun player, but he also hasn't really hit his full potential.
I also worry a little bit about the holdout situation, which I think is
something you're going to talk about. But I wonder how that plays into the
relationship with the Ducks and his season. I think there's some hidden issues there.
And Johnston, I just I love Johnson. I think he has super
high upside. What he did as a teenager is incredible. So I think
if I could just take two out of these four, I would just take
Hintson Johnston, which I think is what makes it fun because there's a given
a take there, one more established in one with a huge upside, and
the other two pieces or maybe have some question marks. Yeah, and the
managers agree with you, Victor, both managers, and I will say both
managers here that this is a win. I feel it's a win as well.
I'll start with Hatfield, who is Portland pirates. Hatfield had this to
say about the deal. It's a tough balance of getting prepared for the future
while also making sure I don't get relegated and all my plans go out the
window. Essentially, what Hatfield had to say to me about this deal was
that, of course he loves Johnston. Sorry, of course he loves rope
Hints. Rope Hints is a great player, He's the offensive engine of that
team. With Jason Robertson, those two are going to be a formidable top
line for years and years to come. And of course Scott Prunovich is a
nice little add on with some upside, but he feels that he is not
ready to compete this year. He would rather compete next year or the year
after, and that's the plan for the Portland Pirates. Since coming away with
Johnston and with Zigris, two players with very high upside as offensive contributors in
the NHL, is a win for him. Craftster was a bit more verbose
in his offering for our podcast recording here today. He says the following,
I've been wanting to deal Zegris more or less since I drafted him last year.
Just not a huge fan and he disappointed for long stretches last season.
Sometimes I think in deals you need to combat the instinctual why is craft start
offering me this deal question that another GM will ask, I saw Zegras's holdout,
which is now over as a misdirection here, maybe the other GM says
in response to that question, Oh, he must be worried about the holdout.
That is what I want the GM to think. In reality, I
just wanted to get rid of Zegris and I think he's not worth his perceived
value. I think this is a great strategy to use here. You have
a player who's certainly in the public eye right now, and in the past
week he has now resolved his contract hold out and he will be with the
Anaheim Ducks to start the season as we all expected. But to using this
holdout as reverse leverage in this deal, I think is a very smart tactic.
What do you think? Victor and other impacts are always really interesting to
use, and craftser is a really fun person to follow on the discord too.
I feel like whenever he has something to say, it's usually there's usually
a lot to it. He's usually thought about it a lot, and so
it's worth like reading through, even though it may seem like, oh,
there's a lot of words here, but it's really. I'm sure he's someone
who thinks about this a lot. It wasn't a rash decision, but as
he said, maybe it can come across that way. But you can use
this type of thing all the time. Maybe someone gets helped off the ice
and there's speculation and worry and they might be fine, but you shoot off
a trade in that moment, and maybe you were thinking that all along.
You just wait for the right opportunity, or you wait for someone to get
a hat trick and then you shoot off a trade off or something like that.
Kind of misdirection can be really interesting, but I do think it's important.
The other part of what he has said is that you know you have
these feelings and these thoughts for a while. It isn't really on a whim,
but it may seem like it. I also really agree that Zigris and
there are a lot of players like this who aren't necessarily worth their perceived value.
I think as someone because if you watch him in the ascitement and the
interest that you might have as a fan bring you out of your seat kind
of factor or doesn't always play to the score sheet and doesn't always translate to
your fantasy points, so that that can be useful. Right maybe, and
we're not saying that he's a bad asset, but maybe some might overvalue a
certain player and you can use that to your advantage. Definitely and to highlight
the Dallas Stars aspect of this trade. We have Johnston, in my opinion,
is the two C on Dallas going forward. He's an incredible player.
I have him in the DDD, the Triple D league that Victor and I
are both in. I'm a big fan of Wyatt Johnston. Craftser had this
to say about Johnston, and again, I second what you have to say
about crafts Er. I think I learned something new every time I read something
he has to say or they have to say. For Johnston, it's a
games play an issue. He had amazing value for me last year as a
farm streamer, but as a pro obviously you have to hold him due to
his age and upside because actual twenty three to twenty four production won't be that
attractive. With Hints being the player. On the other side, it's another
perfect opportunity to misdirect the receiving GM. On my feelings about Johnston, quote
unquote, he must really like Hints and therefore be down on Johnston is the
thought that Craftster is hoping for here. We have a lot of different factors
at play here, with Johnston being the center directly behind Hints. What do
you think of this Dallas Stars element of the trade. Yeah, I think
there are a lot of things there, and I think the first thing you
mentioned is a huge factor, right, and I think sometimes we underestimate that.
But that transition of a player going from being streamed up and down from
your miners to being a full time roster hole taking up that spot where you
can't stream someone else in or potentially have a little bit lower fantasy points because
that transition from this is great value to pump him in out of the lineup
to I have to keep him all the time. He might be one of
your lower end scorers until he fully matures and becomes the superstar that maybe we
hope he can be. So that in between can be really hard, and
sometimes that's a great time to trade a player while the value is still high
and it might be not bad or not difficult. But I think Joel would
agree that two years from now, Johnson is probably going to be even more
exciting and valuable, which is what he's hoping for so again when but I
think that transition is something that people can take advantage of a little bit more
often. I would say, these are the kinds of managers that we have
in the Tidy, Victor. They're calculating, they're strategic, and they're considered.
There are no rash decisions in a league like this where the margins are
so small and you can be relegated if you finish low enough in the standings.
Craftser did go on to say, and this is in the spirit of
learning something new every time you talk to talk to this person, this general,
this manager. Craftser goes on to say that he's worried about Stankoven coming
in. I know you're a big hashtag team Stanky guy, Victor stank Oven
coming in and competing with Johnston for the last power Play one spot in the
next two to five years. So if those guys are competing for power Play
time and Hints is up there the entire time, I definitely see the rationale
for making the deal here. Yeah, definitely agree. I want to thank
you too for highlighting all these fantastic things that are happening in the Tidy,
and hopefully people are enjoying this and they can let us know what you think.
We're going to continue to bring some news and discuss some of these finer
points that happen. And remember that if you want to get in, you
can get on the waiting list for when we open up a new division next
summer. Thanks for having me, Victor. We have a lot of stuff
coming on the Tidy Takes segment. We have a number of trades just as
a preview for next time. We'll be talking about players like Jarvis Heatle,
Samuskavic, who is really impressing in Florida right now, Ogrin Lundell, Jaeger,
Perfetti, Helga Granz, Cam York. We have a wealth of content
to dissect here on the Tidy Takes, so stay tuned. This excellent are
serious injury, Victor. Once again, we are here to talk about shares
and I will give the traditional setup. Why do you care who's on our
fantasy leaks because there is a truth to You can go on a podcast and
say I like so and so player, I like this guy, I think
this player is good, this is my guy. But the truth comes out
when you actually look at somebody's rosters, especially if they have enough rosters you
find out because you can say I'm high on Connor McDavid, And whether you
have Connor McDavid or not really is a product of whether you had to the
number one pick or not. So that's luck. But once you get past
the first couple of rounds, the guys who keep showing up on your teams
again and again, you obviously value more highly than the market. So you
and I are putting together these lists. I've got a little spreadsheet that I
put together to get these sheets together for us so that we can see who
our big dynasty shares are. Victor do you find this? See now for
you too? Man? You got a dang sample size you have? You
are way You're into a double digit number that starts with a crooked number in
terms of the number of leagues you have. It's there's actually a sample size
to go with your victory. But you get something out of this thing.
I do. I think when I was looking back, first of all,
I remember when we first started doing this and you were telling me how many
leisure and I was like, oh man, that's crazy. I am now
at that number that I thought you were crazy for. So who's the crazy
one? Now? I saw the crazy train coming, and I said,
you know what, I should get on board. But yeah, I know.
I looked at my sample and I thought some of these make sense.
Yes, I like that guy, as you said, and maybe you reach
for them, or maybe they fall to you. Maybe it's value. And
then some guys just look at it and say, how did that happen?
That wasn't necessarily intentional, But we'll talk about some reasons why there. I
think there are always a reason why, whether it's positional scarcity, or they're
close to their miner's limit, or just someone you ended up grabbing. There's
always a reason. And maybe some you reach for, maybe they fall to
you. But I think it says a lot. Each one says has a
little story to tell, I would say, And so I do find it
useful, and I'm glad that you remind us every year to do this because
it's this is definitely one that I would have not thought to do. Yeah,
it's one of my favorite exercises. For one thing. When you know
who you have the most shares of, when you're somebody who has as money
leagues as Victor and I, you almost need to remind yourself who you're cheering
for when you're watching all the games, so because you'll be like, oh,
there's this guy I, and then you'll realize that in you know,
seventy five percent of your leagues, that goal was going against you instead of
for you, and kind of you're like, oh, wait, maybe I
need to be careful here. But looking at it, yeah, I've got
twenty eightlygues over four sports, and so it sometimes some of them are in
the off season, but Victor, you do all of them in fantasy hockey.
But let me, I'm gonna start. We're gonna start with some of
my high share guys, and then Victor, you've got a little bit more
robust of a list because you have a few more leagues. I'm in eight
fantasy hockey leagues this year, and I'm happy I'm in a variety of formats.
Last year this was a little more boring exercise because I think I had
my four dynasties that I've had for some time. One of them is the
league that we play against each other in one of these league where we co
manage a team, and then there's the two FHL dynasty leagues. And this
year I actually have three redrafts on top of that, and I drafted the
fifth Dynasty, the four sport dynasty that you and I are also playing against
each other in. And so I'm co managing a Fantasy National Fantasy Hockey Championship
team with our listener Thomas. I've entered, for some reason at the last
minute impulsive the NFHC Salary Challenge, which is just a different it's a different
type of league. It's not going to require the same type of maintenance,
but it's a salary cat based thing. And then I represent fan tracks in
an industry league with the FSGA that I won last year, and I actually
that's also a tiered thing, and so I moved up, but I won
the lower rung, so we'll see. And all these things are point based,
which would seriously bum out twenty sixteen me because I loved my categories leagues.
But apparently that's just not going to happen. The industry pretty much seems
to have moved to points based. Nobody wants to value some of the hitters
some of the bash guys in quite the same way. And of my eight
leagues, so May Lakes, five Dynasty, three Redraft, four of them
are new this year and two of them use real NHL salaries, so you
actually have to think about them from a salary car perspective. So let's talk
about the guys I have multiple shares of, and I'm just going to go
more than two out of the eight. And the guy I have the most
of, Tom Wilson. The real surprise, Victor, is that I have
more Tom Wilson shares than you do. You could believe it. You're really
the super fan. I'm just a follow up of yours on Tom Wilson,
all kidding decide, Willie is a guy I have a lot of shares of.
And oddly enough, or maybe more indicatively, I have shares in all
the four years that I drafted this year, and then the fifth one is
the team we co manage. I don't have it in my I don't have
Tom Wilson in my old dynasties. But there was a reason, and that
is I felt like Tom Wilson was going way under value in drafts this year,
and that's because he puts up the peripheral stats. But last year he
was injured and he missed the first few months of the season. But when
he came back, he really kicked it up. For the season last year,
three hits, three shots, and a fifty seven point pace. But
if you look at what was happening with him month by month, he was
coming back from that really bad injury. In January, he started very slowly,
and then after that by April he was scoring a point per game and
on a tanking, really bad Capitals team. In addition to that, which
by the way, probably is what the Capitals will look like this year if
they're opening night game against Pittsburgh is any occasion. But by the end of
the season, scoring almost or taking almost four shots game and playing. He
went from less than fifteen minutes blow fifteen minutes in January to over nineteen minutes
in April. So I think he's come back. He hasn't been suspended for
more than two years now. The floor is beautiful because of all those shots
and hits, all that beautiful bash. So Tom Wilson stands alone as the
only guy I have on the majority of my teams. And that's real fresh
ownership, because a lot of that was this year's draft victor. Your personal
feelings about Tom Wilson aside, what do you think about this as a fantasy
hockey play? Oh? I think it's great these kind of players who had
injury riddled season and people forget about them. This is exactly the kind of
a value you can get. I think one of the big things in drafts
is you look at last year's performance and everybody wants the Tage Thompson's, the
breakouts, the Jack Hughes. But you need to get those guys ahead of
the year that they broke out, not after they break out. And the
other good one to get is after they've been injured or potentially not put up
their full potential, and I think Tom Wilson is just a classic case of
that. There's also he's also one of the main guys now. There's the
Backstroms are a little bit older, the Kuznetsovs or whatever he is. Whenever
he feels like it, he can be great. So he's one of the
more main guys now. And yeah, you definitely, I think, are
getting value out of Wilson, and you're going to get that solid prift flow
or he may not score sixty points and he doesn't really need to for to
have really great value. So I think it's a fantastic move. And yeah,
definitely a fan in terms of what he can provide. Yeah, and
in the salary league. So the NFHC salary cap format, it doesn't use
real salaries. It uses sort of fantasy generated salaries based on last year,
and it doesn't change. Tom Wilson was dying near a minimum contract. Like
Tom Wilson's contract in that format based on last year's production was below Sam Lafferty.
It was below only Mada Michael Rasmussen. It was way down there.
So I'm pretty excited about that. Anyway, next guy, I have two
guys who are at the four share club, and the first is Matty paneers
I am avowed Matti Peneer's stand. All of these four shares are actually new
ones because I haven't been able to get him in the past. I only
got him in one dynasty and it's the new one, the Forest Border that
we drafted Victor. And that's beautiful, by the way, because that's salary,
and definitely salary is a nice format to have him when he's still on
that cheap rookie contract. It's not been an encouraging start for all Maddie.
In his first three games so far this year, no points war shots went
hit, and even after the first game, he didn't even have that much
power play time on ice he had. I need to look back and see
if Seattle actually had power plays in their Thursday and Friday games, because he
was one twenty four and one oh nine for power play time on ice.
So that's worrisome to me. But he's a rookie. He's not a rookie.
He's a Calder winner, right he is. He is progression is not
linear. All the time I drafted him hoping that it will be, and
hoping that Matt Peneers has a further breakout, even on a team in the
Kraken that doesn't seem to like to prioritize anybody's line. So let's hope for
Matty Beniers and the other victor and then get your reactions here, John Carlson.
But that's another guy. And I know this is two capitals and I
swear it's the last one and I'm talking about here, but I think he's
just a crazy value. He is also a guy who's going way way down
lower. I'm seeing him like eighth round type territory in some leagues, and
I think that's not fair. This is a guy who was on his way
to a Norris before he got hurt a while back. Of course, he
took the awful blow to his face last year and that's why he's been discounted,
aside from the fact that he's also older. And again, the Caps
look lousy in Game one, but I think there's still juice in there.
I think John Carlson has still got another good season or two, and he
would not be a value at the old school John Carlson in the second round
value, but he is, Sir John Carlson the third round whatever. He
was a couple of years ago. But at the value I'm getting him this
year pretty good. So Vanier's Carlson takes Victor. Are these guys ones that
you would still want to emphasize in fantasy leagues? Oh? Yeah, definitely.
And you absolutely sniped me on Vaniers. We were Dolan and I were
looking at him and I said, you know what, I think I can
get another good hockey player because we were doing the four sport draft and I
was like, let's wait on Veneer's and we waited, and I figured you
were going to snipe him, but he ended up falling. I can't remember
who we took with that our first pick but it was I think it was
a really good baseball player or something, which I just let David do that
because I figured we could get someone else good later. But yeah, no,
I definitely love Veneers and think that's going to be a really good one
for you, especially you know with the salary cap. Although the thing that
bothers me about Veneers, and one of the reasons I was slightly okay letting
him go, was just that that frustrating deployment in Seattle. That's the thing
is that they they're so horizontal with their deployment, and they give a little
bit of everybody. Of course they do give. They are giving Vinyar's a
decent amount of time on ice, but still the last three years he's up
to almost one hundred games played and he's still averaging under eighteen minutes a night.
That's not what you want from your superstars. You want twenty plus,
you want twenty one to twenty two. That's where you really pile up all
the stats. So that's just a minor issue. You still like him.
I still think he's great. I still think he can get up to point
per game, although he's zero points in three games as we're recording this,
but I still have faith that Seattle is going to turn things around. They're
not as bad as they've shown so far, but they probably will spread out
the offense, which is a little bit frustrating. So I definitely like him.
I probably have fewer shares just because of what I just said, just
because I tend to want the guys who are the man on their team,
and so that's one reason Carlson I wish I had more. Really think that
he has gonna have amazing value, and I definitely agree based on what's been
happening with him and what's happening with the team. I think that a lot
of people are shying away, but he's a stud back there. He puts
up so much in the way of priffs. The scoring should be good,
even if Washington isn't as good as they have been in the past, which
I don't think they will be. I think they probably missed the playoffs again.
But he should be fantastic and he's going to be feeding ov all season,
and they have that to play for, they have the offense to play
for, and I don't think he's seeding his role to Sandy in anytime soon.
So yeah, I'm definitely a fan of these two for sure, and
I think I'm gonna be a pretty big fan of the next couple of years.
Jesse, who are they? Yeah, it's interesting. So the next
two are my three share guys, and I only have two three share guys.
So with these eight teams, I have a five, I have two
fours, I have two threes. Beyond that only two s. Dougie Hamilton
is my next one. He is definitely a favorite of both of ours,
Victor. He followed up a seventy four point season last year with two goals
and an assist in his first two games with seven shots. I know Luke
Hues is coming in the rearview mirror, but in a redraft or win.
Now, the guy is an absolute slam dunk, Dougie Hamilton because around him
now, not only is he excellent and he puts up even perifs and he
does all things over the years, but now that team that he's on is
supercharged, the new Jersey Devil. So I think that Dougie Hamilton, I'm
going to be very happy in having multiple shares of him this year and the
other one, Romanosi. I'm pretty excited that I have three shares left of
Roman Yosi, and the thing is I could have very easily had five because
I traded away from I traded off one share of him last year. In
the league we play against each other and in a deal where I forget who
I knted that might have been Stank Covid, I forget which guy I got
or what package it was. But honestly, Roman Yosi, I don't know
why, but he also seems to become into quite a discount this year,
and it feels like maybe people just think that the Predator's power play is going
to fade so much with the guys that they've lost or the additional aging that's
going on. I don't know why it is that Roman Yosi is dropping like
a rock. Maybe I missed something obvious, but he to me is still
a superstar defenseman and a guy who's going to put up a whole lot of
points this year, amazing because he had an excellent year last year. So
that is my three share guys victor any reaction to either of those, I
think talking about Yosi first, I think the reason is people shy away from
quote unquote bad teams. Right, We've always mentioned this, so I don't
think that Nashville is going to be great, but has shown for years that
it doesn't matter how good the team around him is, he is going to
do great. He didn't he leave the score the team in scoring with like
seventy plus points. The guy is ridiculous. So or ninety six points.
Yeah, that was a crazy year. And I don't think he's necessarily going
to do that. I don't know that he's point per game plus. He's
fantastic, and he's the thing about yo See that's always so good too,
is that the floor is so high with all the shots and the priiffs.
The bash is phenomenal. Even if he ends up scoring not that much,
he has the potential to. I think the thing about yo Se is you
just don't want to reach for him. And part of the reason I didn't
really get him is that I like to wait a little bit on my defenseman
because I think that the gap it's like goalies in a way. It's people
talk about zero G. There's like a zero D strategy that you can do
too. Not quite zero D, but like the gap between Yo s and
someone that you might be getting a little bit later, like a most cider.
The gap may not be as big as you might think, or even
like a kil mccarr in terms of like your points in your category coverage as
opposed to the difference between one of the high end forwards that you can get
and someone you can get two or three rounds later. So that's why I
often end up waiting a little bit. But if he's still there, I
might I would certainly be happy with him and have him in a couple of
dynasty leagues, very happy about that. But yeah, I think Yosi is
going to be just flye, not worried about his production. And Hamilton,
Yeah, how can you not love what Hamilton? The situation around him has
just ripened right, Like he's in there with all these fantastic scores, and
he's obviously a fantastic player too, so it's not like he's just benefiting from
the environment. He's amazing and everything around him got so much better. I
think there's a pretty good chance he is the best Fantasy defenseman this year,
just because the floor is high. He's going to tap it to Jack Hughes,
who's going to go through three players and score that. He can do
that kind of stuff, and so he can get a lot of ex for
points by osmosis and then also do all the great things that he already does.
So I love Dougie. I have several shares of him, and I'm
very happy. And even in cap leagues, it depends on how you acquire
him. I'm actually we're talking in a couple of cap leagues about acquiring him,
and usually it comes down to cap space. We talk about cap space
being a weapon. Well, in the league that Mason and I are in,
we have twenty six million dollars in cap space and we're now leveraging that
because a lot of teams didn't really draft smart and so now they're sitting there
up against the cap and it's okay, we could acquire a player like Dougie
Hamilton. We didn't want to reach for him in the draft, but now
we have. Now we might be able to get him at a little bit
of a discount, and we have plenty of cap space to afford it.
And this is why you leave yourself cap space and don't spend up to the
limit, because someone like this can become available and he could be like a
league winner. He's that good. So definitely love me some Dougie, Yeah,
Yeah, for sure, and I love constructing my team with one or
two high end defensemen who I feel like are going to provide that floor because
I feel like it's gonna be harder to find those guys off the wire.
So it is it's a give and take situation. Yes, you do want
to try to get the production out of the elite level forwards, and I
definitely hear you there. Sometimes that's the better move in a draft, But
boyd do I love having a couple of high end defensemen. And then the
other thing I'll mention, just because I have fewer guys that talk through here
than you, Victor, I'm gonna throw in a little bonus for me,
and that is I look at the guys I have zero shares of and it
surprises me or I'm mad about it, and I'll just mention a couple of
passing without going into the But I find it extremely weird, especially with what
I've just described for my defenseman, that I have zero shares of Darnell Nurse,
who puts up great points production in terms of fantasy points, even though
he's not necessary a real scorer in the traditional mold, and he's obviously even
Tyson Berry's gone, but he's also nurse is not taken over the power play
in Edmonton, and Mika's been a jadd. I think that's because I traded
him off last year. But I have muscle memory of Mica being on my
teams. And Jamie Drysdale I wish I had on some teams because I do
feel like he's going to have a surprising season. But this is a guy
who's gone from what it appears now was overvalued to what appears now to be
undervalued. Did that make sense? Two years ago he was probably valued more
than he should have been, and he is now valued I think less than
he ought to be. Yes, Victor, I like that phrase. You
can I'll let you transition that to talk about some of your teams. Yeah,
it's the Mica muscle memory is a really good alliteration that I enjoy.
Yeah, great stuff on yours. And yeah, the zero shares says,
I didn't look at that, but that's definitely. I have so many teams
that I don't know. I wonder who are my zero share guys. There's
no way, Victor, there's no way you have a zero shared guy that
you actually wanted. Although it is funny, like you do end up with
the same kind of guys, right, I'm sure there are guys that other
people think are interesting that I don't have, But yeah, I didn't look
at that. So I'll talk about my teams. I have three best Balls,
three raft draft, three redrafts, fifteen dynasties. Six of those are
salary cap and one roto. So what does that work out too? That's
about twenty two leagues. I thought there were more, but maybe I miscounted.
I'm definitely in more leagues that I commission that I'm not playing in.
That's enough victory, that's enough. Yeah, I know. And a lot
of these have cogms, which I'm very grateful for because I think I've mentioned
it many times. I'm a huge fan of getting help. And I was
just talking with Elon this morning, keeping Carlson Elon, who's a fantastic COGM,
because and I have very different strategies. We have different strengths, right,
Like, I'm definitely more of someone who looks at the long game,
and Elon's very good at Oh, this injury happened, and this person is
going to get an opportunity, and I'm usually just not paying that close attention
to the day by day things because I have more of a long view about
it, and so he and I are really good complimentary skill sets in that
way. So get yourself, COGM. It's fun and you disagree sometimes,
which is good because you know, you learn how the people look at things
and all all that kind of stuff. So I'm a big fan. We'll
talk about some of my hi guys, and there is for sure a one
hundred percent clear, no question leader in the clubhouse here, Jesse. It
is not even close. Seth Jones is my number one by a lot.
I have nine shares, wow, nine times nine times, and nine of
them. So of the nine, I have one. In that full thirty
two team cap that I was talking about with Mason Black, we faded.
We basically went for value right from the beginning, and we got guys with
good contracts, and then we were happy to get him because he was sitting
there as one of the guys that was available much later. I can't remember
when we got him in, but it was many rounds in and so a
lot of the other the Dougies and the mccars and all those guys were gone,
and so it was like yeah, top power play defenseman, good solid
prift floor like, it was nice to get him. I got him in
an auction draft that was good, and the rest were the rest were the
non cap two dynasties and the rest were redrafts. So a lot of them,
I think that was five were redraft So definitely excited about him specifically for
this year. One of them is our Common League, where I already had
him in. But Jones is coming off a kind of a down year.
I think we mentioned him a little bit earlier, but I love that he's
going to get just tons of time on ice right. He got to Chicago
and he had a pretty decent year that first year, and then last year
was a bit of a down year, which wasn't really his fault. People
were leaving. It was like the liquidation sale was happening all around him and
he was like not part of it. So just to be able to keep
his head above water and stay relevant in that situation was good. And he
did that. And obviously he's going to get a ton of time with Badard.
And I know it seems weird they were already talking about Badard exposure as
an eighteen year old, but it's real. The kid's phenomenal, and it's
going to be important to have exposure to him. So getting top power play
on the Badard power play already is going to be important. So I love
that he Also. Jones scored twelve goals last season. The last time he
scored twelve or more than ten goals was sixteen seventeen and seventeen eighteen. He
had twelve and sixteen goals those years in Columbus, which were pretty high output
seasons, and I think he can match or do even better than that.
Those seasons he shot almost eight in six and a half percent, and I
think that he's good enough to be that kind of shooter again. So bump
up those goals, bump up the assist maybe, and I think that he
can get a fifteen plus goal season and a fifty five or sixty plus points
season. So I really like Seth Jones for this year. If he goes
into a cold spell, it might be worth trying to acquire him. I
think that I think he's going to be good. What do you think,
Jesse? Yeah, definitely. If you were playing the long game on this
guy, if you drafted him last year, you added some dynasties. It's
going to pay off now with the dard there, he's going to be above
the value that he probably could have been got at a couple of years ago.
It gets enough bash. So yeah, Victor, I think that's not
a one that I'd be embarrassed to be leading the clubhouse with. For sure
the next guy. Since Paul Coffee's nineteen ninety four and ninety five season,
only three defensemen have ever paced for ninety plus points whilst playing at least half
the season. Romagnosi did it once, just once, two seasons ago,
at the age of thirty one. Ek sixty five, of course did it
last season, scoring one hundred points at the age of thirty two. And
who is the third to score at such a torrid pace. This defenseman paced
for over ninety points not once but twice, and he did it in the
most recent seasons, And that is of course Cale mccarr. Cale mccarr,
who I got to see last night. I see in person, up close,
up close and personal. It was really fun. In fact, it
was interesting. Most of the game the Sharks played so well. He actually
wasn't able to do that much, but there were a couple of times where
Kill mccarr just decided to remember that he's Cal mccarr and split through four or
five basically the whole team and just go in and get a scoring chance.
And that was fun. Like he can just it seems like he can do
that whenever he feels like, kid, yeah, do that more often.
Kill, that's good. But he's entering his age twenty five season. He'll
be he'll be twenty five the day before Halloween, and he's if he plays
close to eighty games, which has definitely not been the case. He's got
fifty seven, forty four, seventy seven, and sixty games played each season.
But if he can do that, he'll hit ninety or one hundred points,
I'm sure before he's thirty two, and he's one of the very best
fantasy asset when he plays. Hopefully can just stay in the lineup. A
lot of these Kill mccar shares that I have, which I have seven of,
are in dynasty leagues. They're actually all in dynasty leagues. I don't
get him in any redraft league because I don't reach for defenseman typically, and
so I'm not going to get him there. One of them is are the
league you and I cogm together. It's a cap league, and he's great
there. I have him in several other dynasty spots because I've invested early in
him as Yeah, you just you love having Kill mccarr and your team because
you just know at any moment you can be a difference maker. One of
them is our FHL dynasty, where defenseman scoring counts for more, and so
to me, that's really worth it to have him there. He was my
first round pick in that league because I just figured he's going to be more
value than some of the forwards because it's like one point five I think the
scoring for defenseman or something like that. Yeah, but for mccar, basically,
you either reach for him and redraft or you have invested long term in
your Kill macar shares and are pretty happy about it. I'm happy about it.
I don't have him any redrafts, though, do you, Jesse.
No. I'm trying to think if I even managed to share. But this
puts the lie victor to the idea that first round picks cannot be high in
your shares, and I think part of that. I'm guessing some of these
KL mccar shares even came before he became cal mccarr because of your prospect expertise.
Yeah, like you say, I think this is Yeah, you can't
do better, especially for a dynasty guy like you are, with the number
of dynasty leagues you have, than to have kel mccarr everywhere. Take about
for that one man. And again, just like me, this is starting
out with a ton of defenseman. Victor, who you got next? Yeah,
the next is another defenseman. And yes, I was an early investor
in cal mccarr, so that came back to be beneficial. And hopefully this
next guy will too, and that is Olin Zelweger after being part of the
last rounds of Anaheim roster. That's hopefully we can expect some power play time
for Zellweger in the San Diego Goals organization. There's always a chance he gets
called up. I personally think that Pavel Minchikoff, who did make the team,
is potentially going to play his play a certain amount of games and then
get sent down maybe mayde than nine games, although I'm not sure that necessarily
applies to him. He is a little bit older, so Minchikov is a
November twenty fifth birthday, so because of that, he doesn't have to go
back to the which was what I was originally thinking. But he actually can
go to the AHL because he'll be twenty before December fifteenth. So I think
Minchikov might play a certain number of games and then go to the AHL because
I think he could really use that AHL time, and Zellweger is starting there.
I feel like these two might bounce back and forth between the AHL and
NHL this season. I'm not sure that either one of them plays the full
season in each, although maybe for continuity they do. It probably depends on
how well Minchikof does in this first set of games. But he played the
first game last night as we're recording this. He's got another game today and
he played almost eighteen minutes last night, and it's hard to read anything into
that first game, but potentially, just looking at some of the numbers,
he did okay. He got caved in defensively, but then again, that's
what happens when you lay on Anaei. I think between these two, it's
going to be interesting too, between Zellweger and Minschikov. I still believe that
Zellweger is at least as good, if not better than Minschikov. And I
like how Mitch Brown put it. We talked to him off air when we
had him last on the show, and he put it really well that Anaheim
has two number one defensemen. These two guys are both number one guys,
and it really just depends on how Anaheim wants to use them and how to
deploy their skills. They could both be power play quarterbacks, they could both
be top of the lineup guys, they might be both top pairing guys,
and so they're both going to be valuable. So I don't know that the
choice is really one or the other. I think that they both can be
and not in a way that we've seen like Carlson and Burns. I think
they have more complimentary skills than some of the other top power play or top
defenseman on the same team have been, and so that'll be interesting to see
how they are used. They are both lefty, and the other thing that
Mitchikov has going for him is he doesn't have size issues. He's six to
one, almost two hundred pounds, whereas Elweger's five nine, one hundred and
eighty, so there might be a little bit of an issue though, But
I love Zellweger I have so many shares with him, as you can see,
and I do think the future is very bright. But I'll get your
take on that, Jesse, and then we'll talk about some forwards. What
do you think about zel Weeger? Oh? Certainly, And this is one
of the first examples of a guy who because the Steinistya have a ton of
shares of I'm sure you're not counting on this guy to be a killer for
your pro teams this year. This is a guy who's the slow role,
but again in the cal mccarr mold of in a couple of year, who
knows what this guy could be. But yeah, you got a couple more
grizzled centers as we drop down to your next tier of the sixth year guys.
Right, Yeah, this is one that I really a couple that I'm
really happy about. So the first one is John Tavares, So Tavares.
Yeah, he's a bit older, and I think in redrafts. I think
all these shares are redrafts for best balls. He is thirty three, who
just turned thirty three a few weeks ago, and he's still an elite point
producer. He has contributed at or just below a point per game pace over
the last five seasons as a leaf point nine to eight points per game cumulatively.
Last year he said personal best with thirty nine power play points and nine
game winning goals. Maybe we could expect a little bit lower on the goals,
I'm sorry, in the power play points, closer to the thirties.
Perhaps the last several seasons he had twenty one, twelve, twenty six,
and then thirty nine power play points, so there's definitely a huge variability there.
He even contributed hundred hits last season. Maybe we should expect that not
to be his calling card. He can definitely add some peripherals. He's really
good in the faceoff dot. I'm not sure that I have him in too
many faceoff leagues, but he was. He has the seventh most face off
wins I'm all active players, and he's been winning at fifty seven percent.
So in those leagues that count face off wins, Tavaris is pretty good.
And I was getting him basically in the fourth or fifth round in redraft leagues,
and so I think that's really good value because a lot of those I
tend to like to go forward. I tend to like to go forward.
Several in the in a row. But I like to try to get my
wingers, especially right wing. So when you can get you know, like
your Ronton in with your first pick, and then hopefully get another high end
winger. I believe I went Ronton in Stuchla, and then you can get
Tavaris or maybe someone like an Eicle, So you usually can get a nice,
really high end one see or I guess Matthews is really the one seed,
but Tavaris is basically like a second first line center right. So it's
nice to be able to get that value at center, which I always find
you can get is pretty decent value at center, and it's not if you
have McKinnon staring you in the face in the first round, you're not going
to take him. But I like being able to take that winger a little
bit higher, like your kut Roughs, especially because right wing is so scarce,
and then come back with the high end center in round four or five.
I know that most people drafts are over, but that's how I like
to generally approach things. If I can. I'm not going to pass on
obviously McDavid or McKennon or anything like that. But what do you think about
that strategy Jesse and Tavaris in general, No, totally. Tavares shows up
in the draft in terms of the draft order frequently. Like you said,
right, when everybody's chasing your different position, nobody wants to lock into that
second centerman and he's an amazing value. Yeah, I'm impressed. Just admit
you're totally in the bag for the least picture. And let's hear about your
next guy. Yeah, total leafs homework here for sure. All right,
so my next guy Niko here, And yeah, this one was definitely intentional.
I got I have a couple of shares of him and Dynasty, but
there's more to the heat Shier story. And as the area end of an
era with bergeron and we know that the days of Copatara can't really last forever,
the next decade of Selki finalists is probably going to include Nico Heashier.
The forward talent in New Jersey has arrived, as we've already mentioned, and
a strong top nine really gives he Shares coaching staff several excellent wing choices and
power play options. There have been some recent rebalancing on the power play lines.
Maybe there's a bit more even deployment, but you know that Nico is
going to get some time with Jack, and Jack is a really special scoring
talent. Over the last two seasons, Nico has the six most face off
wins amongst all active players, and his ratio over those two seasons is fifty
three percent, So he's definitely pretty respectable in that regard. Last season,
Nico sent personal best across the board, good enough to tie for twenty ninth
in league scoring, and I just feel like there's even another step forward for
heash here, and so I think a lot of people might look at his
basically point per game season and think, nah, he's more of a sixty
five to seventy point guy. And I'm not going to draft him as a
point per game player. But if you're giving him, if you're getting him
at value in round six to seven or something like that, like I was
getting He's here, then that's fantastic value. And I think you have to
take that not to mention the fact that in the head to head leagues,
we're getting amazing off night value with the Devils, and I was really trying
to get as many Devils as I could. I got a pretty decent number
of shares of Meyer and brought and Hughes was going too early mostly for me
to get. So I do have some shares of Hughes, but those are
in dynasty leagues and it's just a couple, so he's not going to show
up here. But I was really trying to get your Hamilton's and even your
Luke cues. Maybe later if you can. But just that's something to keep
in mind too in trades, is that if any of these guys are slumping
a little bit, you might try to acquire some devils just because you're really
if it's close, you might really benefit from those off nights. Yeah,
do you agree with that, Jesse? And do you think that he's share
can consistently be more than a seventy point guy? I do you think he's
closer to that? When we talk about three hundred episodes, Victor, I
feel like he's here has been an object of my fascination for at least half
of those, just in terms of is this guy gonna end up being a
fantasy player who we love? And I'm increasingly yeah, I increasingly invested in
And of course I got burned the years that he spent a lot of time
injured, But I am a fan of his, and I think this is
a very savvy pick up, especially for those scheduling issues that you know about
in the daily start leagues. And you're pretty much you're a daily start all
over the place, aren't you, Victor. Don't you do you have aside
from your best balls? Do you have weekly leagues? Yeah? So the
EP team league that Cam set up as weekly. I really dislike weekly leagues.
I like the ability to manipulate the schedule and the rosters daily, and
so that kind of format really annoys me. But so I am in one
weekly league just because I feel like I have to play in that league as
one of the fantasy quote unquote experts for EP. So I got my arm
twisted into that one twenty two leagues might help cure you of that aversion to
the weekly league, Victor, But go on, this next guy I haven't
heard of, so you'll have to explain to the listeners who he is.
Yeah, very obscure name here. It's Connor Bedard, Yes, Connor Badard,
not Connor McDavid or any other Connor. But I did manage to win
Badard in two dynasties where you had to win the Constellation bracket. One of
those was very tenuous. I barely beat Greg who goes by Sachi's in one
of our leagues great competitor. That was tooth and nail all the way down
to the end. Such a close matchup and obviously a big difference between first
and second there. I believe he even traded back after getting second. I
can't remember, but that was one. The other one where I had as
a dynasty where I got him as the as I had the number one pick
and I got the lottery, so that was good. I didn't slide back.
One was an auction where I definitely overpaid for him, but he went
for less than McDavid win in his inaugural season, so I figure it might
be worth it, and being able to hold the best player for at least
a few years is one of those where the salary increases year by year,
so he will get really expensive really quickly, but Bard will probably still be
valuable. And the guy who has McDavid has held him the whole time and
he's ninety some dollars now, Butard will still be quite a bit cheaper than
that. So I figured it was probably worth it to get the best player
and the other two are best balls. I did not get him in any
redraft leagues. I just felt like he was going way too early. He
was basically going in the second or third round and all my redraft leagues,
so I was not about to do that. I get that he might pace
for close to ninety points, but I just don't want to. I didn't
want to reach for him in any of those, so I was just watching
him go and seeing if he lasted. But I don't know, Jesse,
did you get him? Did you get a Dard on any redraft leagues,
because I feel like you really had to reach for him if you wanted to
get him. Yeah. No, I thought about it, and I thought,
this is one guy who, even if he has practically in the David
Rookie year, the value is squeezed out of this thing, and you're better
off in most leagues if you're really going to push it, taking the Stephen
Stamp coastes of the world, that you have a little bit more boring certainty
that wins leagues. Sometimes I'm not saying I guess I am stained Stamp Coast
over Bidard, even Stephen. That'll probably come back to haunt me. Let's
distract everybody from that. Take Victor and move on because your next guy is
another common favorite of ours. I feel like, and finally, for the
first time, this episode will be going goal Yeah, I'm going goalie,
and I'm definitely have a diversity of goalies in my redraft leagues, but in
my dynasty leagues, I am very heavily invested in Lucas Tostal six shares all
Dynasty. I remain steadfast in my believe that he's going to be a star,
future starter. He's third on my prospect goalie list. If you look
at the Hockey prospecting, he's basically graduated from the model now at twenty three
years old, and he graduated sixty five percent chance of being a star.
And what you like about his progression too, is every year he has increased
his star potential, which is really hard to do, and it just shows
the amazing consistency and steady improvement that he's made a year by year. So
I love Dostell. In fact, as we're recording this today, he should
be starting in goal and I just feel like he could wrestle the job away
from Gibson as early as this year. So in those leagues. I'm counting
on him for twenty to thirty, maybe forty starts this season. That would
be great. Even though the Ducks aren't great, they also have a good
off night schedule, so he's a nice one to pair with some other regular
starters. And yeah, I just I really like him. He's he looks
like a lot of really good goaltenders. Took A Rask is one that he
looks a lot alike in that model, and he's he was a star starter.
So I don't know, I don't know what's not to like about Doshtala.
I just think he's really fantastic, really steady. Even on a bad
team, He's shown he can be good, and I think the Ducks are
going to be bad. What do you think, Jesse? Yeah, we
need two things to make him a superstar. One is that the Ducks get
a little better and the other is that maybe they can move on from John
Gibson. But like I said, even in the absence of those two things,
as long as you don't take him as like one of your starting goalies,
I mean, you have him as shares, but you're not expecting him
to lead your team. I'm sure this year you're looking at him more in
the long term. He is a guy I'd love to have on some my
I think I do have him in a couple. But okay, Victor,
now we're out of your six years. We got to hit through some of
your five share guys. You get a lot of them here. Why don't
you take a couple of them at a time and then I'll come back and
react. Sure sounds good. So my first five share guy all dynasties is
Kaden, Gooalie and Cad and Gooley. I was a little surprised, frankly
at how well he's done in Montreal in his first season. He went straight
from the WHL and that vaunted Edmonton Oil King straight into the NHL. He
didn't play the whole season last season, but forty four games, thirty four
point pace and just awesome for Bash. Two hits a game, almost two
blocks a game. His shots were just won a game. But I think
that he's gonna get plenty of priffs. He played over twenty minutes a night
his first season. Right now he's under that in his first couple of games,
but I think he's going to get up there. And he had two
shots, three blocks, and four hits in his first game. That's ridiculous
per Feral production. He's not really getting in power play time on ice,
but that may come, especially if Matheson gets hurt or if they decide to
equally distribute their power play. We'll see. But the fact that he was
so good defensively as at such as a twenty year old in the NHL gives
me hope that I think a lot of that offense can translate, which it
hasn't yet, but I think it can. And Mitaki prospecting doesn't look that
exciting, but he still looks like a Nick Letty type, someone who certainly
can have some decent offense. And we know that the priiffs are way better
than someone like Letty. So you like that floor for Kaden Gooule, and
especially as you're flexing him up and down from your miners, there's a lot
to like. The next one is Walker Doer, and this one is one
of those that surprised me. Jesse. I don't think I would consider myself
a Walker doer Stan as much as I like someone like Kayden Gooley, but
Doer is. He's a twenty five year old right wing for the Calgary Flames.
He's played thirty NHL games to date, and these are all in dynasty
leagues where I have him, and most of them are accelerat cap leagues where
that's positional scarcity, and that contract is something to really like. His underlying
show him as pretty much just close to average, so he's nothing special.
He definitely looks if you look at Mason Black's model the pnhle, he looks
more like a third liner, second or third liner basically below a second liner,
so middle six guy. But it's more that he's pretty good just for
that position and for the contract. I think the doer one is more just
a situational need. But Gooley, I'm definitely a fan of, and I
know that Lane Hudson is going to happen at some point, but I still
think that Goholi will retain plenty of his peripheral values, something like a Alex
Petangelo. Maybe. What do you think about that, Jesse, Yeah,
I think that's that's a nice pick. Some people are talkers and some people
are doers, Victor, and that's what we can know about in Kad and
Gooley. You mentioned his first game, but his second game he had an
assist and he had five shots in addition to holding up those three blocks again,
so the bash appears to not be going away. Kaden Googley was not
on my radar. He's been in some of my recent conversations. I will
say as far as some roster management, and those are two solid picks.
But the doers, the walker doers are exactly the fun of an exercise like
this, especially for a guy like you who has so many Dynasty rosters,
as you find guys that you're like, I had no idea I had that
many shares of him, Or who's your next couple guys? Yeah, for
sure? All right, so the next couple, well, Raphael Harvey Pinard
URHP if you like, He's at thirty nine games played and I have five
shares of him, Isaac forty games played. Actually, with the game last
night, I'm not sure he's someone that you really hold beyond the games played
limit, but maybe, And as Ryan Spore mentioned way back in our Montreal
team preview, this year is really important for him to see both what he
does and how the team uses him. And I'm pretty sure Ryan predicted a
potential decrease in time on ice, which so far has borne out because last
season he averaged over seventeen minutes a night, and part of that was injury
and just needs roster needs. This season, in two games, he's averaging
thirteen minutes. Yeah, that might be more where he is. And right
now he's getting the eighth most time on ice out of the twelve forwards,
which is not very exciting and that he may just be a drop when he
gets the games played limit, but interesting kind of that he is playing more
than Brendan Gallagher and Tanner Pearson, so I don't know I would have expected
the opposite there, although Gallagher is really at the tail end of his career.
But yeah, Harvey Pinard someone who is just basically a flex up and
down kind of guy. I don't think that he gets as many goals.
Fourteen goals is what he had last season. I don't know that he may
not even get there this season in a full season. He played thirty four
last year, so not super excited about that one. But this next one
is someone who I think was intentional, and that is Darcy Kemper. Kemper
just seemed like the perfect guy for a zero G strategy this year, and
that's why I ended up. I'm pretty sure all maybe one of these.
I think one of these Dynasty. The rest are all redrafts, and that's
because I was waiting past round ten, usually eleven. I think I got
Kemper in a couple of round twelves. So I would usually just round by
round, look at who's left, and usually if they're five or six goalies
left that I would be fine with, I would just take a skater and
then eventually there'd be like just a couple left, and it usually was like
Huso, Kemper, corpor Salo, those kind of names, and I just
I do Kemper best of that kind of group, because even though the capitals
shouldn't aren't necessarily going to be great, Kemper has someone who has consistently outperformed
the protection in front of him, and he's the volume guy. There is
no real challenge there, and he's gonna get plenty of time on ice,
he's gonna get a good volume of shots against, he's gonna save the vast
majority of them, and I think he's just a solid option. So I
really like Kemper for the value that he gets. And it was intentional in
me picking him up in multiple places, which isn't true for all of these
guys. Some of them were just happened to be on my dynasties already in
redrafts. Kemper was definitely not necessarily a target, but he was the last
guy I was really happy to get in that position, Jesse, what do
you think about Kemper and Raphael Harvey Pinard. Kemper is becoming just one of
those solid starters. Do you remember that it wasn't that long ago that he
was considered like this huge signing and Stanley Cup type guy. He was on
the ice. He has missed the season opener this year. Apparently his first
child was just born. That's why Charlie Lingeran was starting the other night.
So if you were thinking Lingerin had usurped him, you are incorrect about that.
And Rafiel Harvey Pinard, Victor, I want to know how many You
probably can't quantify this, but I wonder how many of these shares were ones
that you picked up in about a two week stretch last year after he premiered
and started scoring all the goals for Montreal for a month. Well, probably
all of them, Yeah, for most of them, not a lot of
drafts. Probably a lot of like right then, and then why not hold
on after somebody does something like that exactly? Why not hold on? I'll
give my last few here because they're interesting or similar, and actually they're not
similar, they're diversity of sort of players. The first one. These are
all my last five share guys, which are the main ones I'm gonna share
Connor Brown. It's the Connor. I'm trying to get as many Connors i
can. I got two shares of Connor McDavid. That was just happenstance.
I got six shares of Connor Bodard as mentioned, and five shares of Connor
Brown. This was definitely intentional though I was looking towards the end of the
redraft. I don't think any of these Connor Brown shares are in Dynasty.
They're all in Redraft or best Balls. And that's because towards the end you're
looking do you want schedule? Do you want high upside? And I just
figured that Connor Brown, even though he hadn't done it much in the past,
but he's got really good opportunity now playing with McDavid, and so far
the recent the recent the first couple of games he's been playing Connor Brown with
dry Cydle Rnh McDavid or vander Kain. Those are good line mates. That's
what you want to play with. He's basically been a top six player.
He doesn't have any points yet, although Edmonton has not looked particularly good in
the first couple of games, so they have some put up some goals,
not not any that have involved Connor Brown. But I do think he's probably
going to maintain that position. His IPP is currently zero and his PDO is
six twenty five after two games, so regression to the mean positively should be
coming for Connor Brown. So anyways, I do still like that one and
hopefully he sticks. And if not, he was a whatever seventeenth round pick
or whatever, so I'll just drop him. But yeah, I'm hoping that
Connor Brown works out. The next one is Wya Kaiser, and Kaiser is
afenceman for the Chicago Blackhawks. And this is all in dynasty formats. And
I've liked Kaiser for a bit now. He's looked really good in the NCAA.
His hockey prospecting shows a pretty steady progression of a decent player. I
don't know that he's going to be the biggest point producer but he's already playing
second line minutes for the Blackhawks. And I like what the Blackhawks are doing.
They're playing all their young defensemen. They have Alex Blasik, Whyita Kaiser,
and Kevin Korchinski, and they're pairing each one of them with a righty
who is more veteran. And I think that's really smart. So you play
a young guy with a veteran spread out the ice time, let him play.
I think it's going to be really good for them. And I don't
know that his upside is great for Kaiser, but like that he's getting games,
and I like that he is. I like that he's playing already,
and I'm not going to drop him after his games played limit probably, but
he's not like a must hold kind of guy. I'll probably just wait and
see how he continues to progress. And the last guy is of five shares
is Tristan Bertucci, and this is definitely someone who probably didn't get enough play
during the draft because there's so many more exciting guys. But Bertucci is a
six foot one hundred and eighty pounds left handed d who plays for the Flint
Firebirds. So far this season, he's got zero points. In five games.
But that's partly a Flint problem and not a Tristan Bertucci problem. But
he is someone who I think you have to respect the Dallas draft picks.
They've just done so well in Maverick, Bork, Stankove, and White Johnston.
You've got your Jason Robertson's obviously you're Rupa hints. Those guys are second
round picks and they're superstars in the NHL. And that's where Bertucci was picked
at the end of the second round, and he's got a twenty six percent
chance being start according to Hockey Prospecting. We'll see what he does this year.
But this is just the more deep cut of Yeah, I really like
him. I got him. He was basically my second or my third round
pick usually in a ton of leagues, so I would get a draft pick
at the end, and he was the last of the high upside guys that
was remaining, and so that's why I ended up with lots of shares of
Bertucci. So just mentioning that in case he's available in your leagues, he
may be someone that's worth kind of holding. We'll learn a lot more of
for this year and I can see, but what do you think about those
guys Jesse, Tristan Bertucci, Maybe not too much to say Wyat Kaiser and
Connor Brown. Yeah, definitely. This is actually this is probably the most
practical part of the segment is these are a couple of guys who when you
have to vote with your feet instead of just talking about guys, obviously,
these are for the value guys who you kept finding yourself rostering, and that
is that is telling. When a guy like Victor is rostering somebody a lot,
that probably is going to have some value. So I don't have strong
takes on any of them. I think Connor Brown is who knows he's on
that team, He's in that situation, so maybe there'll be something there.
But definitely I'm going to have an eye on Kaiser and Bertucci, Victor that
I think is the full gamut. Do you have anything else you want to
talk about from Shares? Obviously there are a bunch of four share guys which
I don't want to go all through, but I just wanted to briefly mention
the goalies. And because I do a zero G strategy, I think it's
interesting to see who you end up with. I ended up with four shares
of Aiden Hill, four shares of Philip Grubauer, four shares of Akira Schmied
and Connor Ingram. So Hill, Schmid, Ingram, and Grubauer were guys
that were available later that I thought were good value. Hill and Grubauer are
more like your one G or maybe two G, and Schmied and Ingram more
like your three G. And those are more dynasty guys that you're happy to
squeeze in when you can. I'm not rostering those guys in redraft leagues,
but it's interesting to see who you end up with when you do that strategy.
So it is a lot of Kemper Grubauer and Hill, and so far
the Gubriter shares don't look so good, but the Hill and the we don't
know about the Temper yet, but I think those are going to be okay.
But yeah, that's basically. There's some more guys, but we don't
really have time to talk about them. And four shares isn't isn't as many
as the other ones. But yeah, hopefully people found this interesting. Jesse,
Just remember people write it down. Victor Nuno Aiden Hill believer, leader
of the Aiden Hill fan club, who believes that Aiden Hill will hold the
net, probably win the Vesna for Vegas. I'm sorry, Victor, I'm
teasing you because I know you have warned people against getting too excited about Aiden
Hill. Nonetheless, he's on what is without debate and amazing team, and
he seems to be holding down the net, and he's got a he's got
his name etched on a cup somewhere, and I'm a big fan of a
cure Shmi, just like you, Victor. I think that's going to do
it for our shares. Hopefully people did get something out of this. Will
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