And we are back. So well, let me pull the topics here.
She Hulk season two not happening, which ties into what I was just talking
about with Brendan Chris. As far as the warm, she'd be in a
fake movie Tatiana and Maceloni. Now this could be joking. She was at
the MS. He asked what she hulks. Oh, no, I'm paraphrasing,
but pretty much no. No, we broke the budget. They haven't
asked us back. I think they said, don't thank you. I hit
on a few things she actually did say, but I think it was word
differently. Now you could just it could be tongue in cheek. It could
because of an expensive show, but I think it is a they haven't got
a call like I do. Think this is someone revealing the truth in like
a jokey way. She still got to do it. She still will be
around the same way as I think she will be around, at least because
it's like the same way as like Incredible Hulk. The movie did not do
well, but Hulk was still part of the venders around a bunch, right,
And that's the question of do we see her again? I think we
will. I don't think she's gone forever. But I do think it's like
a potential small rule. I don't know if she's an Avenger or not.
Again, I would very much like to know who the fuck the Avengers are,
but we will not know for a while. Maybe they're gonna keep a
secret to the goddamn first trailer. I don't know. Of course, we
got the set picture, so that won't happen. But I think this is
where we've seen if this is true, and let's just go with this right,
because there were reports that it was happening, but if you got her
saying, it's probably not what's happening. And that's where I was talking about
this on vodka stream last week, where I know it was Andy he you
know, and I like Andy Lott. He's a good guy, and uh
and I get why, especially you know, he talks about for multiple reasons
on vodka stream, why he fights for diverse films like Blue Beetle and you
know, Miss Marvel and stuff. And I can't remember he said some comment
of like because I think I was talking about Thor because you know, Wipilon
stream don't like Thor Love and Thunder, And I was like, Okay,
what do you make thor five or anything Captain Marvel adjacent, whether it be
Miss Marvel, and it's like whatever you think, you may love Kamala Khan,
but like you go with four or five because we just looked at it,
right, seven hundred and sixty million, that's like not a sure guarantee
bet, but much better than Miss Marvel and Captain Marvel if And this is
why I'm talking about this, right, So let's go with the opinion that
this is could put this is a true story that hey, no, no,
she halked too. Then I do start to worry because a lot of
those reports when we heard them in the earlier year when they were like ce
C plus Scoopers, but I was like, oh, they're planning doing Miss
Marvel season two. She Hulks season two and Moonnight season two are a project
of Moonnight, And if she Hulks down off the tables, to me,
that could be a lot of those things off the tables. And that's where
for me it's like, what are those shows like we talked about that could
come back that are maybe gone now Moonnight I think is best to do kind
of how I pitched a ghost writer do a Hulk scenario with them now.
I'd love a season two. I'd love to get more with Jake Lockley.
I didn't. That's definitely one of my more disappointments. Fuck, it just
sucks that I have a Moonnight in the MCU and I'm just so like man,
you know, like I sometimes forget it exists. And it was my
fucking pick too, Like Oscar Isaac was like the guy I said. It
was perfect for the role, and there's some episode things in there that are
great for me. It's just so mad and they missed a lot of the
they missed the they missed the target on a lot of the things that make
Moonnight great. I think a lot of people grieve me on that one.
And that's where I think that because it almost was like a Marvel Spotlight where
you could watch it by itself. I think you could just forget about the
character for a while, wait till you do minute Night SNS or something like
that. Bring him there. I don't need them on the Avengers. I
feel like the only reason he'd be on the Avengers is like why Jay Law
was such a big roles mystique because it's Oscar eyes like, which I do
get, but like, I don't think that's a fit right now, saving
for something else or don't return to him, which is sad for me,
but put him one if put him on some Ani made stuff. So I
think Moonnight just because that reason could very much happen Miss Marvel. It's tough
now with Miss Marvel. I don't know what the budget was. She all
got a budget of two hundred twenty five million reported, which means it could
be more. Oh that's why it's like, what profit were you expecting to
get? And that's what we've seen with these shows, right, They've all
gone down as far as the ratings, whether it's Soomba or whether it's actually
Disney reporting them same way. Disney like report the numbers for the first few
days of Loki and that was lower than Mandal or lower than Loki Season one,
right, So like the numbers are going down. People are caring less
and less about these superhero projects. So that's where to me that that money
is not in Disney Plus anymore. We've talked about the Tomorrow Alliance. I
think Brenton Chris, you know, just said the Pzecho they just reviewed it.
Go check out their review because they have much more positive one than ours.
Unfortunately, unfortunately we didn't like it. Not saying that they liked it.
Those sons a bitch, just how could they like them aut No,
I'm just saying unfortunately, I think we all would have preferred us to really
enjoy it, and I don't think any of us did. But I think
Disney Plus shows are going to go that way more where it's echo where I
don't think that was a large budget. I think that might be part of
the reason why they made Netflix Cannons, which Vincent and Offer just said like
that was a recent thing that happened after the overhaul, that it wasn't gonna
be cannon, but they decided to change it up. That could be a
way where you bring in more stuff from those shows to make more street level,
cheaper shows, you know, because right now we really like, let's
take a look, and I might have to ask this, I might have
to say this for Marble Alliance too. Let's see Disney PLU, let's see
MCU TV shows because other than not talk about the anime stuff, cause the
anime stuff that's easier to talk, easier budget wise. Right for the most
part, there's not really any shows that are cooking right now that we know
about right, the shows that were cooking were rumored or delayed, so you
got fuck just go down there. Here we go. So the rumor like
a Moon Night season two, Miss Marvel season two, show season two,
she all season two, let's say that's off the books. I think Moon
Night season two could be off the books Miss marveled. That's what my point
is getting get to is at the budget cheaper, which I don't think there
was any big stars in there, and the effects definitely looked a little cheap
or rushed, and they probably did with those fecturists. Oh man, did
I okay? Good? I just gotta pluck at my laptop. See,
it's almost dying to me if it's cheap, if it's like the Netflix Echo
route, maybe a little higher than you could do Miss Marvel season two.
And that's where yeah, season one lowest rated Disney Plus show, the Marvel's
movie, lowest box office for our Marvel film, right if not at second
lowest, you can't really justify if it's a bigger movie to do, or
if it's a bigger budget sorry to do a Miss Marvel season two. You
can't throw in projects like Hulk. Put her around. Don't get rid of
Kamala Kon. I'm on is one of the best things that's happened to them.
So especially in this phase when they need some wins, you need to
keep her around. But as a season two, if it's like more expensive,
no Phase five, we're not gonna get a secret invasion. Loki seems
to be done. So here's the thing. Okay, so there is one
other one that is start a film a couple of weeks ago, right,
and I think it's at the smaller So again, take out the animated stuff.
We have iron Hard and Agatha, which were what I was talking about
in mar Alliance or I trailed off. We talk about how we all agree
with this era, with the Phase four and a little bit of Phase five.
There are shows and projects that got greenlit that wouldn't get green light now,
you know, and even in the past when it got green light,
but they came off the height of top shit taking down an Avatar Endgame and
then No Way Home and having some big hits even Invade even twenty twenty two.
Right now they're on the backstep. Now, they've had some flops,
they've had they're in the red for just certain projects. That's where you gotta
go, Okay, we gotta be more picky. So that's where iron Hard
and Agatha I think those are just their one off one and done. Maybe
you'll see those characters again in the future, who knows. But you don't
get other seasons. Daredevil that's being reworked, and I think that it will
be still on the cheaper side. Bed's being reworked. The only one that's
filming and we for sure know about is wonder Man. Obviously there was war
Machine that got moved into a movie, but I still don't think. I
just don't see a profit in that unless there is an ace in the hole,
unless there is a massive change, unless there is a and guess who's
coming back rubber down in JR. Oh my god, that's Robbert. Like
no, no, no, Like that's the only way I see war Machine
happening. Unless it's a very reduced budget too. That's always saying if it's
like one hundred, maybe one hundred and fifty, maybe even one hundred and
fifty. To me's pushing it because I could see, like, let's see
what the let me just see what the Marvels box office, right now the
Marvels box office do do Do Do Do Do Do Do? There's company too,
m great show, right, Okay, Marble's fund box office right now?
Look at two o six in my opinion, the Marvels, which has
pre Larson, who to me is the bigger starting Dawn Chield like kind of
overall uh, and then you have all these other characters who got Nick Fury
and it's a sequel to the billion dollar film, the biggest female superho film
all time. Kept Marble that bombed. It made eight hundred million less than
the than Captain Marble. You're telling me that war machine, which I don't
think has the same backing and resume that those people do, and especially to
me coming from the lowest potentially, if they stick with that whole scrawl shit,
even if that movie is one hundred and fifty, it would not break
even. Even if it was a hundred, it would just probably just break
even, maybe lose money. You can't tell me that's happening. And I
think that was smart, And if it is happening, then yeah, they
were smart to make it a movie instead of a show because maybe make more
of a profit. But wonder man, that did start film a couple weeks
ago, and from the rumor plot of it, it sounds pretty low key
like there won't be much of a big budget to it, probably just the
actors in some set, you know, production pay of the crew. I'm
underplaying it, of course, but it doesn't sound like this is gonna be
a two hundred and twenty five million show, right. So after that,
there's a rumor of the Nova show in development. No, oh, that's
not gonna happen. Not a TV not a Disney Plus show. You can't
make that cheap. And then Vision Quest. I don't know what visions effects
cost. I don't know what Paul Benny coss, but I don't know how
much time and resources it would cost. I think if that's not out of
the realm of possibility, like being just super expensive, I could see that,
because that's just a bunch of other robots like Vision. As long as
it's not him stopping a world ending threat, that's a possibility. But really
we don't have that far out where. I feel like, for a while
we are always knowing two years of a mant so what we were getting right
now, we just know just this year. Because you can say dared evil
but we don't got a date, Like it's hopefully next year and I think
it will be, but we don't sell have a date, right. So
that's where it's like a lot of these shows we've seen that they're gonna pull
back on projects in general, and I think that's the shows are really really
gonna get hurt. And that's where I think it's gonna fuck them a little
bit. And that's where I am in the camp where I do think they
need to reboot after Secret Wars because those shows also cause them to create too
many care because let's say, take out the shows, right, So let's
see here. Okay, So take out Hawkeye, you don't get Kate Bishop,
take a moon Night, you don't get Moonnight. Take out Miss Marvel,
you don't get Miss Marvel. Take out Chahawk, you don't get Chiahak.
Take out See Your Invasion. You don't get Guya. I'll just say
guy, but that's about it. Take out Echo you don't get Echo,
and even Hawke, I guess you don't get that, so Echo right there?
Okay, even Wana Vision you don't get Agatha. Uh. And that's
about it, because Ironheart you would have got with a black Panther. So
other than the characters like Loki and stuff, that was about seven characters that
I listened that came directly from the TV shows, right, and that is
a part of a problem where we, you know, always say here who
are they? Then just but also everyone's problem. My problem was never I
think people misconstrued their issue. I'm not trying to speak for people, but
the idea of where is the MC going, They're they're clearly going to the
multiverse Secret Wars War. Like they lay it out, whether you don't like
it or just don't understand it. The first episode of low Ki's like,
look at this multiverse war. It would suck if that happen again. Ay,
It's like I was winking earlier in this cast talking about a certain topic
about making a certain fan film that would be a film now if public domain
happens, which it sounds like it is. It's me just laying out,
like, hey, what I would like to do if the stars aligned right,
say in the air, it's like, look at this cheat, this
is where we're going. Kang in the finale says see you real soon.
Oh, by the way, there's thousands of me and they're gonna come get
you, and everyone's like, where is the cinematic universe going? I don't
understand, ay a fucking yai. But there were points of and I'm not
with the whole Eternals, like where's the statue? Why is it not?
Why isn't the sky? They haven't answered that? Well, couldn't you also
just say that they might answer that in Eternals two? We haven't got that,
and we are getting that answer. It's supposed to being capped for.
But still that's not the stuff for me. It is the big time stuff,
like, yeah, Avengers, that's a pretty big deal. Where have
they been? Who are they? When we get adventures? What's the life?
Right? I know people might argue, well, with Avengers one,
we didn't really know the lineup officially. We knew those films, we didn't
know the official lineup. Yeah, sure, true, But like that's Phase
fucking one. We're Phase five. They know better, we know better,
smart enough. But the other problem that I had, my biggest thing is
yeah, who are the Avengers? And the other thing that a lot of
people were bringing up, which I didn't have an issue with in phase four,
but as we went on and I saw more projects, I do now
where are all these characters? Disney Plus made too many shows and too many
issues and even the extended films right there, there's too many characters. Now
we haven't seen sung cheap, we have seen eternals. I think that,
like I said, I bring this the whole time. There's like nineteen projects
since Captain America has become Sam Wilson. That is not right. He is
Captain America. He should be all over the fucking place. He's the leader.
We saw. We fucking saw a cat like Chris Evans like a year
after and thord Ark World like, even though it was like a fun cameo,
still we still saw him. And then we got that movie not far
after. The menas too, like the Disney Plus shows, they the same
thing when we're gonna see Yahya's wonder Man, right like, they create too
much. And that's where I almost would be more fine with if they were
too And that's why I don't like it being like a Cliffhanger but with an
even echo, but echo Moon Night. If they were say, hey,
we're gonna do some stuff and this is not going to connect. I know
you want everything to connect, but this is just gonna be a one off,
uh do that you know, have some like Moonnight the comic book when
it came back, the Jeff Lemir run, it wasn't this big connecting crossover
one. It was a solo story do that people. Of course there were
some connections, but people fell in love with the Netflix stuff because of those
characters, not because oh I can't wait to see my advantagers. That was
of course like a cool bonus if it happened. But as long as the
shows are somewhat of quality and have something unique about them or something that will
pull people in, you got it made. So that's where I think you'll
see less things, so we'll see supervid. Mike says. It's missing the
fun and seeing all the characters get together for friendships, bonds, and that
was the Avenger movies. That's what the Avenger movies brought absolutely, and that's
where for me it's like it's it's tough, right because we kind of know
Secret Wars is probably going to be you know a lot of returning people.
Hugh Jack, Manitoba and Andrew. I'm not saying no to that, Like
I'm not like, are we sacrificing that? Sure, but it's something We've
talked about one hundred times now, and I'll just say it for anyone that's
new, they should have done an Avengers film that was a lowkey threat.
Not Loki, but Masters of Evil Boom, an Alltron type of person,
come back annihilis. So they just beat them, beat them off, They
beat them, and off their way they go, and then here we go,
we're all together the same way as we talked about before. I brought
this up on I bring this up on all the time because that's the I
think I brought up on Voku String because someone said something, and here I
bring up all the time. Where Avengers Phase one there were little connections,
but other than Ironman twich did have a lot of like alluding to stuff.
It was just there's Thor's hammer an any credit scene, there's Captain America shield
and oh he gets an end credit trailer. Oh there's iro An incredible Hulk.
IRONN two definitely was the extent to that, but even then it wasn't.
I don't think it was as bad as now where it just feels like,
okay, there is so much, how does this all connect? That
was literally just hey, Loki came to Earth and for some reason, they
all got entangled. Now I think they wanted maybe that's their idea to do
that with the Avengers, and I'm down with that. Right. Let's say,
okay, it is the Masters of Emo. Barrion's Emo's leading a team
and they connect Carol, Sam, you know whatever, Scott Lang or whatever
the reason is. But it's weird for the team to connect to be Kang,
which is to me, that's where I missed. We've always heard these
rumored plots, but that's where I worried that, like the Avengers film,
the Secret Wars or sorry, King Dynasty was gonna be like in Finny Warren
Endgame, where okay, it's our veterestcene, but it's it's really like Msue
the movie, right, And I feel like they feel like, well,
now, the Avengers always has to be Msue the movie. We gotta have
all these characters and that's not the case. We should have found something and
that was the fun of the connected universe stuff. To me, it was
not the lore was not the Easter eggs. It's not that it was like,
oh cool, these characters connected, although the other stuff is bonus and
it's great, right, It's fantastic when there was a well O machine.
We loved everything. I'll take it all. But at the end of the
day, it was the party scene in Age of Ultron where they're getting drunk
trying to pick up Thorpe's hammer. You know, it's Sharma. It's when
they're at Avengers Compound endgame when they fucking lost and it's like they have all
these connections and what do they do? And I lost the kid and were's
Pepper. It's five years later when Tony Stark says, hey, I don't
want to talk shop, but you can stay for dinner. I have my
ending here, cap I made my second chance, Like we're not gonna get
that with these and I think they almost felt like, because these characters were
already in the MCU, well, we don't got to get them together.
They can just be boom Kang nasty and here's thes and maybe there could have
maybe it will open up and just say, hey, by the way,
for the past five years we've been the Avengers, and I guess, but
it just feels so empty and hollow, which a lot of things have felt
in Phase five. I push back. In Phase four, I had a
lot of fun in Phase four. That's I probably might say my second favorite
face stuff. Revisiting Phase one has made me really enjoy some of that stuff
again, so it's a toss up there. Phase two is definitely bottom for
me, but oh no sorry, Phase five is fucking foh whoa bottom?
So what does that say for these other shows? I think it's like those
season twos are dead. I think lots of development. Like Vision Quest,
they will wave them in and I think it will be more a once a
year sort of thing. Obviously, Ironheart and Agatha are in the can the
can or in the can, so maybe like you get Agatha, maybe next
year you get like iron Heart and Daredevil, and then you get like wonder
Man. Right, the animated fair to me, I'm so fine with that.
As long as they see an enough of a return investment. It's never
gonna blow up unless they make a Pixar like movie. But for me,
it's like that's the stuff where I really enjoy. I know some people,
you know, like Brent, always like you prefer live action animated, And
I'm not saying they have to make the cannon stuff animated, but like,
if you got to save your budget, make stuff like friendlies, neighborhood spider
Man, make model zombies, make you know more what ifs? May you
know, just go buck wild on that stuff. Give me a Howard the
Duck show, you know like that. That's where it's like you can go
back to just maybe doing one show and then a couple movies. It's and
I hope that's what they're going to. So we will see. Let's take
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