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Let's rank the 10 00:00:51.880 --> 00:00:57.039 Cincinnati Bengals issue so far this year by importance and talk about some potential solutions 11 00:00:57.039 --> 00:01:00.439 coming out of the bye week. You are Locked On Bengal, your daily 12 00:01:00.520 --> 00:01:19.560 Cincinnati Bengals podcast, part of the Lockdown Podcast Network. Your Team every Day. 13 00:01:25.000 --> 00:01:27.599 Bengals fans, and welcome to another episode of the Lockdown Bengals Podcast. 14 00:01:27.640 --> 00:01:30.439 I'm your host, Jake. Let's go along with your host James Rape and 15 00:01:30.480 --> 00:01:36.200 today we're joined by Joe Gibberi, whose show you can find from first Start 16 00:01:36.480 --> 00:01:40.760 on YouTube Bengals on the Brain. We're going to get into what the Bengals 17 00:01:40.840 --> 00:01:44.200 issues have been this year, what the importance of those issues has been, 18 00:01:44.280 --> 00:01:48.159 and talk about some potential solutions. But Joe Today's episode brought to you by 19 00:01:48.200 --> 00:01:51.959 the game Time app where you can use promo code lockdown NFL for twenty dollars 20 00:01:52.000 --> 00:01:57.560 off your first purchase of last minute tickets for the lowest price guaranteed. We 21 00:01:57.599 --> 00:02:00.560 appreciate also every single one of you who make us your first listening doesn't miss 22 00:02:00.599 --> 00:02:05.799 an episode that every day's who didn't miss any of our interviews with the Bengals 23 00:02:05.840 --> 00:02:09.439 coordinators last week and James today. Before we dive into some of those problems 24 00:02:09.520 --> 00:02:14.080 and solutions with Joe, let's get some quick injury updates out of the way, 25 00:02:14.080 --> 00:02:16.319 as Zach Taylor and some players, all the players, we're back in 26 00:02:16.360 --> 00:02:21.280 the building a pay corps on Monday. Yeah, bye week over. Everyone 27 00:02:21.400 --> 00:02:24.400 was back. Joe Burrow was moving around well, and that's takeaway one, 28 00:02:24.479 --> 00:02:29.800 two and three. Throwing off platform, throwing off of that right leg, 29 00:02:29.879 --> 00:02:34.360 pushing off of it, and so that's good to see. Hopefully that continues 30 00:02:34.400 --> 00:02:38.319 and we can stop talking about Cafgate twenty twenty three From Cafgate the growing gate. 31 00:02:39.000 --> 00:02:42.199 I can't believe I just said that, but I did. Orlando Brown 32 00:02:42.240 --> 00:02:45.520 Junior, dealing with a growing issue. He says he's going to play on 33 00:02:45.560 --> 00:02:50.879 Sunday against the forty nine Ers. Zach Taylor was less less confident, or 34 00:02:50.879 --> 00:02:53.759 at least didn't want to commit, and said, we'll see. So I 35 00:02:53.759 --> 00:02:57.840 do think Orlando Brown Junior will play. We'll see if he's eliminated or practices 36 00:02:57.879 --> 00:03:01.840 in full on Wednesday. Other guys t hit Chibaya Woozie progressing nicely. Also, 37 00:03:01.960 --> 00:03:07.400 Charlie Jones Stone injur reserve progressing while I talked to Charlie, So we'll 38 00:03:07.400 --> 00:03:10.879 see if he's His practice window gets opened next week following the forty nine Ers 39 00:03:10.919 --> 00:03:15.240 game. Interestingly, Keeen Davis Gaither also still not back in practice. He 40 00:03:15.400 --> 00:03:19.680 last played in the same game that Charlie Jones last played him. One of 41 00:03:19.680 --> 00:03:23.120 those guys went on to the IR one of them didn't, So we'll see 42 00:03:23.159 --> 00:03:29.400 what happens with a Keem Davis Gaither situational player of course, at this point 43 00:03:29.439 --> 00:03:31.800 in his career. With the Bengals bringing back the two starters at linebacker, 44 00:03:32.319 --> 00:03:38.560 just something that's interesting from a roster management perspective. Eletter Brown did say he 45 00:03:38.599 --> 00:03:43.479 felt great. Kind of an extra rest day for him coming off to buy 46 00:03:43.560 --> 00:03:46.680 is how he wanted to talk about it. So hopefully they get him back 47 00:03:47.280 --> 00:03:51.000 this week. And those are the quick injury updates. Well, of course, 48 00:03:51.039 --> 00:03:53.159 have a fuller picture on Wednesday when they're back to putting a practice report 49 00:03:53.159 --> 00:03:55.840 out. But not only do the Bengals get a bye week of extra preparation 50 00:03:55.919 --> 00:03:59.039 for the forty nine ers, but the forty nine ers are playing Monday night 51 00:03:59.039 --> 00:04:01.639 football as well, which didn't actually occur to me until we record this on 52 00:04:01.719 --> 00:04:04.520 Monday, and I realized that the San Francisco forty nine ers hadn't played yet 53 00:04:04.560 --> 00:04:10.960 this week, so big rest disparity this week. That said, let's get 54 00:04:11.000 --> 00:04:15.120 into the Biby retrospective, and that's why you're here, Joe, and I've 55 00:04:15.159 --> 00:04:19.800 wanted to kind of talk about power ranking the problems as it were, because 56 00:04:19.839 --> 00:04:24.120 you could talk about a lot of the issues the Bengals have had, and 57 00:04:24.160 --> 00:04:29.240 we have talked about them, and they all feel pretty important, but when 58 00:04:29.279 --> 00:04:32.519 you talk about the actual significance of those issues as far as how it's played 59 00:04:32.519 --> 00:04:38.199 out winning and losing football games. I think that that might be an interesting 60 00:04:38.240 --> 00:04:41.480 angle to take when you discuss it. So when you look at this team, 61 00:04:41.680 --> 00:04:44.160 when you've been talking about them on Bengals on the brand, doing your 62 00:04:44.160 --> 00:04:47.800 film study, doing your normal analysis thing that you do, what do you 63 00:04:47.800 --> 00:04:51.319 think that if you had to point to the single biggest problem that is why 64 00:04:51.399 --> 00:04:55.279 the Bengals are three and three instead of four and two or five and one, 65 00:04:56.000 --> 00:04:59.639 where do you start. I'd start with the quarterback play. And maybe 66 00:04:59.639 --> 00:05:02.560 that's some wat easy because it's been such a topic of this discussion since it 67 00:05:02.600 --> 00:05:08.360 happened in late July with the calf injury. But I think when you look 68 00:05:08.360 --> 00:05:10.920 around the league, the same thing is happening to a lot of teams, 69 00:05:10.959 --> 00:05:16.040 a lot of good offenses that if they can't find explosive running options or can't 70 00:05:16.040 --> 00:05:20.160 create explosive runs, everything falls on the quarterback. And I thought this game 71 00:05:20.279 --> 00:05:25.519 last night was pretty apparent between the Dolphins and the Eagles, because the Dolphins 72 00:05:25.600 --> 00:05:28.519 have been the hey, look, this is the new offense. Is what 73 00:05:28.560 --> 00:05:31.560 you have to do in twenty twenty three, and when they couldn't produce explosive 74 00:05:31.639 --> 00:05:34.240 plays on the ground, it was like, okay, so what do we 75 00:05:34.279 --> 00:05:38.959 have to do on offense because now we are at second and seven, now 76 00:05:38.959 --> 00:05:42.920 it's third and six, whatever it may be, and the onus becomes the 77 00:05:43.000 --> 00:05:47.560 quarterback has to make a clean read, clean throw within structure because two is 78 00:05:47.560 --> 00:05:49.920 not the kind of guy that can break out and make a play happen. 79 00:05:50.079 --> 00:05:54.560 But that's really how Joe Burrow looked those first three to four weeks, right 80 00:05:54.600 --> 00:05:57.560 where you couldn't really do much, couldn't extend plays, and if he did, 81 00:05:57.560 --> 00:06:00.920 he got reinjured on that late play against the Ravens. So when you 82 00:06:00.959 --> 00:06:06.439 can't extend plays and you are sitting duck in the pocket, defenses play you 83 00:06:06.480 --> 00:06:10.839 completely differently. The Bengals didn't have anything else to lean on. They didn't 84 00:06:10.839 --> 00:06:14.279 have an explosive running game that a well rounded running game to say, hey, 85 00:06:14.439 --> 00:06:15.720 we're gonna do this for the first month and just get through it and 86 00:06:15.759 --> 00:06:18.519 then you know, come out with a healthy Burrow on the other the other 87 00:06:18.639 --> 00:06:21.519 end of it, So while it's yes, Burrow was the main focus for 88 00:06:21.600 --> 00:06:26.199 me in how many things you can't do on offense when you have a quarterback 89 00:06:26.279 --> 00:06:30.319 like that, The other part is that they've had a more dynamic running game. 90 00:06:30.560 --> 00:06:32.720 We maybe could have got out of a couple of those games a little 91 00:06:32.720 --> 00:06:39.759 bit closer or more successfully. So your your focus is, or your biggest 92 00:06:40.279 --> 00:06:44.720 questions concerns are on offense. You think over the first six games, oh, 93 00:06:44.800 --> 00:06:46.160 no doubt, I haven't had much of an issue with the defense. 94 00:06:46.160 --> 00:06:50.519 They had their issues, I think early, but I the defense as a 95 00:06:50.519 --> 00:06:55.279 whole around the league is reflective of what the offense is doing on the other 96 00:06:55.319 --> 00:06:57.639 side. If you can score points, if you can stay ahead of the 97 00:06:57.680 --> 00:07:00.879 game, have flip the game script in your favor. I feel like the 98 00:07:00.879 --> 00:07:04.399 defenses across the league are night and day, and when they can pin their 99 00:07:04.439 --> 00:07:09.319 ears back, when they can rush, when you can disguise things and pull 100 00:07:09.360 --> 00:07:11.920 that string when you need to on a third down and call of blitz or 101 00:07:11.920 --> 00:07:15.560 back everyone out and just get that one more play, that one more sack, 102 00:07:15.680 --> 00:07:18.720 that one more turnover. It's the difference in you know, in wins 103 00:07:18.720 --> 00:07:21.800 and losses all across the league, And so I haven't had an issue with 104 00:07:21.839 --> 00:07:26.160 the defense. When the Bengals of score points, I thought they've looked really 105 00:07:26.160 --> 00:07:30.560 good. My overall issue is we had so much time of knowing that Burrow 106 00:07:31.240 --> 00:07:35.040 was going to be limited somewhat that when they rolled out the offense and it 107 00:07:35.079 --> 00:07:40.600 looked exactly like last year's with obviously somebody that was hobbled, that quarterback, 108 00:07:40.759 --> 00:07:44.480 it just seemed like a bad plan from the get go to me, and 109 00:07:44.800 --> 00:07:46.720 we've talked about this, they never expected the re injury to occur. They 110 00:07:46.720 --> 00:07:49.720 thought they would have to live like this for two weeks, right, and 111 00:07:49.759 --> 00:07:53.319 then they could get back into doing some of the things that they wanted to 112 00:07:53.360 --> 00:07:56.079 do that we thought they were planning to do in the preseason, which was 113 00:07:56.079 --> 00:08:01.319 an expanded play action game, which is leveraging Joe Burrow off the spot where 114 00:08:01.360 --> 00:08:03.720 we've seen him doing a lot of work, you know today at practice on 115 00:08:03.759 --> 00:08:07.120 Monday in the offseason, a lot of play action work as well, and 116 00:08:07.160 --> 00:08:09.319 they didn't get to do that. They kind of had to go back to 117 00:08:09.360 --> 00:08:13.959 the drawing board after he reinjured the calf, and we two that would be 118 00:08:13.959 --> 00:08:18.399 the it's an excuse, but the excuse I would offer in their defense is, 119 00:08:18.800 --> 00:08:22.959 let's try to survive for two weeks. They almost do get that win 120 00:08:22.360 --> 00:08:26.759 against Baltimore. If not for a bad interception coming out of halftime, that 121 00:08:26.800 --> 00:08:28.879 game could go differently. Then they're one and one, and then they have 122 00:08:28.920 --> 00:08:35.480 a healthier borrow, they hope at that point. Instead they're struggling through for 123 00:08:35.519 --> 00:08:39.679 another couple of weeks. The interesting thing, one interesting thing you said as 124 00:08:39.679 --> 00:08:43.200 well that I wanted to go back to was talking about the Philly Miami game 125 00:08:43.639 --> 00:08:48.679 and talk about two dramatically different offenses in terms of where they're lining up, 126 00:08:48.679 --> 00:08:50.919 how much shotgun they're using pre stap motion. Philly one of the teams at 127 00:08:50.919 --> 00:08:56.120 the bottom of pre snap motion in the NFL, Miami the top of pre 128 00:08:56.200 --> 00:09:00.559 snap motion in the NFL, Philly one of the heaviest shotgun teams in the 129 00:09:00.679 --> 00:09:05.279 NFL. Miami using shotgun twenty percent less than Philly is twenty three percent less 130 00:09:05.320 --> 00:09:09.799 than Philly. Cincinnati in the shotgun more than Philadelphia is. But it's actually, 131 00:09:09.799 --> 00:09:11.679 you look around the league somewhat comparable to teams like the Ravens who have 132 00:09:11.679 --> 00:09:15.960 been good on offense, to Philadelphia, to the Kansas City Chiefs. It's 133 00:09:15.960 --> 00:09:18.360 not too far off. It's certainly more because for a period of time Joe 134 00:09:18.360 --> 00:09:22.279 Burrow simply could not get under center. But you look at those offenses and 135 00:09:22.840 --> 00:09:26.480 the key difference with Baltimore and Philly is a running game aspect and things and 136 00:09:26.519 --> 00:09:31.480 the athleticism I think in the offensive line, the way those offensive lines are 137 00:09:31.480 --> 00:09:33.159 playing. And then Kansas City it's just Patrick mahoonmes being Patrick mahons for the 138 00:09:33.200 --> 00:09:37.879 most part. But did you see some things from Philly that you thought it 139 00:09:37.879 --> 00:09:39.919 would be nice to incorporate some of those ideas, you know, and they're 140 00:09:39.919 --> 00:09:43.799 not letting Jalen Hurts run as much this year, So it's like you watch 141 00:09:43.840 --> 00:09:46.200 that offensive past few weeks and I thought, this is very similar. This 142 00:09:46.279 --> 00:09:50.080 is a lot of things that the Bengals do, except for you're right, 143 00:09:50.200 --> 00:09:52.960 explosiveness at running back, the athleticism on the offensive line, and then Hurts 144 00:09:54.039 --> 00:09:56.159 can run if he has to. You know, he is a good athlete. 145 00:09:56.159 --> 00:10:01.720 He strong and strong made critical plays outside of structure last night Sunday night, 146 00:10:03.440 --> 00:10:05.960 and that's that is key. And I thought Paul Danner's piece when he 147 00:10:05.960 --> 00:10:09.200 went over how many like touchdowns were out after two and a half seconds, 148 00:10:09.240 --> 00:10:11.879 And yeah, there was like week three at that point when we were really 149 00:10:13.000 --> 00:10:16.679 questioning like this passing offense. And then after that, you know, which 150 00:10:16.679 --> 00:10:18.200 we always knew was true. We've talked about for years. You have to 151 00:10:18.200 --> 00:10:22.879 play outside of structure really make a difference, because quarterback in the league, 152 00:10:22.879 --> 00:10:26.440 everyone's throwing at a ninety percent or ninety quarterback rating. The guys that really 153 00:10:26.480 --> 00:10:30.200 separated, the guys that can go outside of structure and make plays happen. 154 00:10:30.240 --> 00:10:33.440 When Burrow couldn't do that. You start watching it around the league and you 155 00:10:33.440 --> 00:10:35.559 go, yeah, yeah, when that defense doesn't let that quarterback do it, 156 00:10:35.440 --> 00:10:39.639 it really turns that guy into a pedestrian quarterback. I thought the Bills 157 00:10:39.639 --> 00:10:43.639 the last couple two or the last three weeks against the Jags and then against 158 00:10:43.720 --> 00:10:48.279 Patriots, when they didn't let Allen run and do crazy things and stiff arm 159 00:10:48.320 --> 00:10:50.840 and jump over guys and act like a maniac, I'm like, yeah, 160 00:10:50.000 --> 00:10:54.720 Allen's just a regular quarterback, and here we are that they're losing to teams 161 00:10:54.720 --> 00:10:58.440 that they probably should be. So these are issues throughout the league that I 162 00:10:58.440 --> 00:11:03.120 think offenses are dealing with. 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We've talked 201 00:13:45.559 --> 00:13:52.120 a lot about offensive schematic improvements this team could make with Joe Burrow getting healthier. 202 00:13:54.639 --> 00:13:58.159 They looked really good to start against Seattle and then things kind of got 203 00:13:58.200 --> 00:14:03.159 off track. What's your in season, your bye week adjustment, your self 204 00:14:03.159 --> 00:14:07.919 scouted adjustment. If you're Brian Callahan, Zach Taylor, and Joe Burrow getting 205 00:14:07.919 --> 00:14:11.039 together and saying, Okay, this is what we can do and this is 206 00:14:11.039 --> 00:14:13.360 something that can make our lives easier on offense. Yeah, because I do. 207 00:14:13.480 --> 00:14:18.279 I do think they're doing some things better than before. And you know, 208 00:14:18.320 --> 00:14:22.519 while the numbers aren't a more percentage of Jamar chasing the slot, I 209 00:14:22.519 --> 00:14:26.320 think they have been much more effective with it. I think the pre snap 210 00:14:26.360 --> 00:14:30.559 motion or motion at the snap. They have incorporated more of that than I 211 00:14:30.559 --> 00:14:33.960 would have expected originally, and you can get a lot of good, you 212 00:14:33.960 --> 00:14:37.320 know, big plays out of it, but also a lot of easy chunk 213 00:14:37.360 --> 00:14:39.600 eight yard plays out of it, and getting Higgins in the slot as well. 214 00:14:39.679 --> 00:14:43.519 You know, there's been a few opportunities for that where they will adjust 215 00:14:43.559 --> 00:14:46.200 out of the slot, fade and you know, run the stop rout on 216 00:14:46.240 --> 00:14:50.480 it. But I think largely, I think everyone's wondering are they going to 217 00:14:50.559 --> 00:14:54.720 get under center and are they going to turn to a power run game at 218 00:14:54.759 --> 00:14:58.960 any point this year or a wide zone and incorporate more that because you really 219 00:14:58.960 --> 00:15:01.720 can't do it out of shot, and that's why they incorporated the pistol more 220 00:15:01.759 --> 00:15:05.879 and more. But can you get under center and can you have a more 221 00:15:05.919 --> 00:15:09.919 full fledged running game with more options and more different looks, And because I 222 00:15:09.960 --> 00:15:15.600 think they largely want are running the same things that they normally would run, 223 00:15:15.799 --> 00:15:18.399 but they're limited in how many ways they can show it right, because the 224 00:15:18.440 --> 00:15:22.240 idea is that if you have a core staple of concepts, you're going to 225 00:15:22.360 --> 00:15:24.679 every team runs them, but they're gonna run them out of different looks, 226 00:15:24.720 --> 00:15:26.960 different personnel, different ways to align guys. They'll put a guy in motion 227 00:15:28.120 --> 00:15:30.960 just to get back to where they were earlier on the same play, will 228 00:15:30.960 --> 00:15:33.960 make it look different pre snap, and then run it. So they're doing 229 00:15:33.039 --> 00:15:37.399 all these things, but you have maybe seventy five percent of the playbook available 230 00:15:37.440 --> 00:15:41.840 because the other twenty five percent was and they were a fully shotgun team last 231 00:15:41.879 --> 00:15:45.200 year, so let's not forget that. But they would go under center, 232 00:15:45.559 --> 00:15:46.440 and they'd come out of a drive and say, hey, listen, we 233 00:15:46.440 --> 00:15:50.480 got to get the running game going. Let's get under center, Let's give 234 00:15:50.480 --> 00:15:52.799 it to mix and let's pomd it. Let's see if we can create something 235 00:15:52.240 --> 00:15:56.720 and then get a shot play from the forty five. I think that part 236 00:15:56.759 --> 00:16:00.360 is still missing for them because there are days where your quarterback just isn't or 237 00:16:00.480 --> 00:16:03.399 just isn't there, and regardless of injury, and you would like to be 238 00:16:03.480 --> 00:16:06.440 able to say, Okay, today's not our day. This defense is not 239 00:16:06.480 --> 00:16:10.279 giving us any big plays, or they're just the pass rushers winning. Let's 240 00:16:10.320 --> 00:16:12.639 turn to a run game and hand it off, and they really haven't had 241 00:16:12.679 --> 00:16:18.000 the ability to do that. How much of that is the running back room 242 00:16:18.159 --> 00:16:22.720 as a whole, whether it's Joe Mixon or the lack of trust of the 243 00:16:22.720 --> 00:16:26.600 guys behind him. How would you evaluate that situation, because I think it's 244 00:16:27.120 --> 00:16:30.440 it certainly needs to change one way or the other behind Joe mix and if 245 00:16:30.440 --> 00:16:33.519 they're going to be successful, this is probably the worst running back room in 246 00:16:33.559 --> 00:16:37.200 the league right now. I would say from one to four, you would 247 00:16:37.279 --> 00:16:41.080 like more dynamic athletes. You would like guys that could do more in the 248 00:16:41.080 --> 00:16:42.799 passing game. Mixing should be able to do more. He did a lot 249 00:16:42.879 --> 00:16:47.000 last year. For whatever reason, they're not coming back to that. A 250 00:16:47.039 --> 00:16:48.679 lot of that is defense based too, So you know, I don't think 251 00:16:48.759 --> 00:16:52.039 I think teams right now are saying, hey, go ahead and prove you 252 00:16:52.080 --> 00:16:56.480 can throw these outside vertical balls again like it was a Burrows rookie year and 253 00:16:56.519 --> 00:16:59.519 then twenty twenty one when they started that way as well. So you're not 254 00:16:59.519 --> 00:17:03.360 getting his many checkdowns to your running backs. But I do think if you 255 00:17:03.399 --> 00:17:06.519 had a guy that can make people miss more often break long runs, you 256 00:17:06.559 --> 00:17:08.559 would see adjustments in the defense, and I think you would see a higher 257 00:17:08.599 --> 00:17:12.039 success rate of running and maybe get some explosives, and maybe they would turn 258 00:17:12.119 --> 00:17:15.839 and lean on the run game a little bit more. I think Mixon is 259 00:17:15.839 --> 00:17:19.599 still a serviceable player. Well, you don't have a contrasting backup or somebody 260 00:17:19.599 --> 00:17:22.599 that you are even willing to give it to, because Mixing's playing at an 261 00:17:22.599 --> 00:17:26.759 incredible high rate right now. They if they keep running them like this, 262 00:17:26.799 --> 00:17:29.440 we're going to see three games at towards the midpoint or end of the year 263 00:17:29.440 --> 00:17:30.759 where we're like, hey, it's Travan Williams, Chase Brown, and Chris 264 00:17:30.759 --> 00:17:34.319 Evens because they don't have anyone else because they rain Mixing into the dirt through 265 00:17:34.319 --> 00:17:37.759 the first twelve weeks of the year. So you know, I don't want 266 00:17:37.799 --> 00:17:40.519 to get to that point. They need to figure out who else can help 267 00:17:40.559 --> 00:17:45.000 this team outside of the running game, which obviously. Look at the teams 268 00:17:45.000 --> 00:17:48.359 that are successful in the league right now. They can run the ball, 269 00:17:48.559 --> 00:17:53.480 they can accept the Chiefs probably they can run the ball well enough to get 270 00:17:53.519 --> 00:17:56.599 teams to react to it. I think the Chiefs are probably the only exception 271 00:17:56.640 --> 00:18:02.720 to that. It feels like the weapons have been a letdown too. Outside 272 00:18:02.759 --> 00:18:07.279 of running back. You look at the receivers not named Jamar Chase and everybody's 273 00:18:07.359 --> 00:18:12.039 numbers and I did a thread on this after the Week six game are down. 274 00:18:12.079 --> 00:18:17.359 This year for some metric that I think is important. We talked about 275 00:18:17.359 --> 00:18:21.960 Tyler Boyd's yards per catch, but also his first down rate is half of 276 00:18:22.000 --> 00:18:26.160 what it had been. T higgins catch rate is like half of what it 277 00:18:26.279 --> 00:18:32.319 had been. They're not getting virtually anything from the tight end position. So 278 00:18:32.359 --> 00:18:33.960 we can talk about scheme, we can talk about run game, we can 279 00:18:33.960 --> 00:18:37.400 talk about this and that. We can talk about Joe Burrow, but what 280 00:18:37.680 --> 00:18:41.640 about the skill guys. Joe, Yeah, they need to step it up, 281 00:18:41.680 --> 00:18:44.839 but if they can, you know, I think there is a symbiotic 282 00:18:44.880 --> 00:18:48.039 relationship obviously between the quarterback and receivers and weapons. Right when we've seen it 283 00:18:48.039 --> 00:18:52.279 when Andy Dalton was in there, and times quarter our receivers will come out 284 00:18:52.319 --> 00:18:55.400 of their breaks and their arms are extended, eyes wide because they don't know 285 00:18:55.440 --> 00:18:57.000 where the ball placement is going to because he was erratic at times. Right. 286 00:18:57.200 --> 00:19:02.279 So, and you see this now with Higgins coming out and double clutching 287 00:19:02.319 --> 00:19:04.759 things on the sideline and double catching them. And even saw with Jamar Chase, 288 00:19:04.759 --> 00:19:07.920 even though he's had big days had he's double caught a lot of passes. 289 00:19:08.160 --> 00:19:11.480 And I think that happens when you're not getting the practice time or you 290 00:19:11.480 --> 00:19:15.400 know, for the last month of camp in preseason, you're going with bad 291 00:19:15.480 --> 00:19:18.200 quarterbacks. We talked about this plenty of times with Simeon and Browning, but 292 00:19:18.839 --> 00:19:22.519 your trust in where the ball is going to be at the right time, 293 00:19:22.599 --> 00:19:25.799 at the right place starts to get eroded pretty quickly. Now you can build 294 00:19:25.799 --> 00:19:29.319 it up back pretty quickly, and they've got enough reps with Burrow through the 295 00:19:29.359 --> 00:19:32.599 previous years. But you definitely saw it had an effect on these guys, 296 00:19:33.039 --> 00:19:34.920 and you would think it would get corrected, and it's something you could easily 297 00:19:34.960 --> 00:19:38.440 correct. But you're you're right, because this should be the strength of the 298 00:19:38.480 --> 00:19:41.759 team. The receiving cores and the weapons should be like, hey, we've 299 00:19:41.759 --> 00:19:45.680 got the three best in the league. They shouldn't be averaging five yards per 300 00:19:45.720 --> 00:19:49.319 attempt towards them, right. It shouldn't be a seventeen percent contested catch rate. 301 00:19:49.400 --> 00:19:52.039 To T Higgins, these are balls you go one on one with. 302 00:19:52.240 --> 00:19:56.759 It should never have been the defense's game to win against Seattle, that one 303 00:19:56.799 --> 00:20:00.599 on one Goho shot on third down to T. Higgins that he gets the 304 00:20:00.599 --> 00:20:03.920 past interference on take away the past in efference, he still did not come 305 00:20:03.920 --> 00:20:06.240 down with the contested ball that would hit him right in the hands, both 306 00:20:06.240 --> 00:20:08.440 hands like these have to be caught. That has to happen or else this 307 00:20:08.519 --> 00:20:11.960 team. Let's say this continues where Boyd maybe he's spent. 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It's not going to work if the receivers don't, but the offensive 351 00:23:18.519 --> 00:23:22.400 line it's still probably won't work. So I think we're okay. I do 352 00:23:26.000 --> 00:23:29.279 you're mute to Joe? Oh there, I was gonna say. Isn't it 353 00:23:29.359 --> 00:23:32.279 a good thing to finally not talk about the offensive line. It's not a 354 00:23:32.319 --> 00:23:36.839 major issue. We can't. We'll talk about it, but it's still not 355 00:23:36.960 --> 00:23:41.039 a major issue, though Jake. Is not a major issue compared to some 356 00:23:41.079 --> 00:23:42.599 of the other things we've talked about, which is a good point. James. 357 00:23:44.720 --> 00:23:45.920 No, I mean you're right. I mean you're right. If the 358 00:23:45.920 --> 00:23:49.799 offensive line is better and these other things don't get better, it's probably not 359 00:23:49.960 --> 00:23:55.440 enough. As far as the skill guys, I think it's largely they just 360 00:23:55.480 --> 00:23:59.119 have to play better. Maybe that is Joe Burrow playing better. Like you 361 00:23:59.119 --> 00:24:03.319 said, Joe, that that's symbiotic relationship between quarterback consistency and being on the 362 00:24:03.319 --> 00:24:06.640 same page with the receivers and getting the reps. Part of it could also 363 00:24:06.680 --> 00:24:08.400 be do we see more Yosavash? Do we see more Charlie Jones as their 364 00:24:08.400 --> 00:24:12.480 Bokie years go on and they've both shown some things. Charlie Jones was ready 365 00:24:12.519 --> 00:24:15.839 to have a bigger role in the offense before he got hurt. It was 366 00:24:17.160 --> 00:24:22.519 certainly trending that way, and Josavash has earned some playbook pages. Let's say 367 00:24:22.400 --> 00:24:26.680 they've drawn some things up for him. They haven't gotten to all of them. 368 00:24:26.000 --> 00:24:30.000 That could be part of the solution to any closing thoughts there. Joe 369 00:24:30.079 --> 00:24:33.920 on the skill guys, before we transition to the defense, No, I 370 00:24:33.960 --> 00:24:37.359 agree, the speed is something they definitely need on offense. You know, 371 00:24:37.440 --> 00:24:40.160 as far as good as they are, it's really only Jamar Chase that you 372 00:24:40.200 --> 00:24:41.799 feel like you could throw a screen to and he's going to make somebody miss 373 00:24:42.160 --> 00:24:45.519 or go deep and you know, just break it between two safeties and take 374 00:24:45.559 --> 00:24:48.680 it all the way. It's been that way for the last few years. 375 00:24:48.680 --> 00:24:52.519 And when they drafted Charlie Jones and Yoshibas and Chase Brown, we said, 376 00:24:52.559 --> 00:24:56.279 hey, at the very least day three picks, but you injected some speed. 377 00:24:56.319 --> 00:24:59.119 Well let's see it. Well, you know when healthy and when you 378 00:24:59.160 --> 00:25:03.319 can, but let's see it. Yeah. I think that's when you look 379 00:25:03.359 --> 00:25:07.920 at potential solutions. And I'm not sure we'll have time to do this today, 380 00:25:08.000 --> 00:25:11.759 but we will hopefully on our next show. Talk about trade deadline and 381 00:25:12.039 --> 00:25:18.279 everything involved in that. They need these in house guys to step up. 382 00:25:18.640 --> 00:25:22.400 And on defense, they've had their young guys step up, Dax Hill, 383 00:25:22.720 --> 00:25:25.680 DJ Turner, Cam Taylor, britt All, first and second year guys. 384 00:25:25.680 --> 00:25:30.079 Guess what there is advertised from their speed to their playmaking. To DJ Turner, 385 00:25:30.400 --> 00:25:33.519 I don't know if a balls came his way. There's been a couple, 386 00:25:33.559 --> 00:25:38.480 but there haven't been many completed, and so they need that on offense 387 00:25:38.559 --> 00:25:41.519 and right now they're just they're not getting it. And that includes the tight 388 00:25:41.599 --> 00:25:45.119 end position. Obviously that invest a draft pick, but there hasn't been anyone 389 00:25:45.160 --> 00:25:49.240 there that's given them anything. Yeah, Eric Smith is as young as their 390 00:25:49.279 --> 00:25:52.720 draft picks that they made, So I mean, you could still hope for 391 00:25:52.799 --> 00:25:56.240 some upside there and there's been nothing. You're right, And he dropped two 392 00:25:56.279 --> 00:26:00.759 passes and it largely been ignored. Like when I the tape, I don't 393 00:26:00.759 --> 00:26:03.119 have an issue with earth Smith running routes or anything like that. I don't 394 00:26:03.119 --> 00:26:06.799 have an issue with his speed and agility. I never thought he was some 395 00:26:06.920 --> 00:26:10.519 dynamic player to begin with. But what I'm watching, I just go down 396 00:26:10.599 --> 00:26:14.480 and they're kind of just back passing him in the offense right now. Yeah, 397 00:26:14.559 --> 00:26:18.079 is it a trust thing? That's my concern honestly. Yeah, And 398 00:26:18.079 --> 00:26:22.559 I wonder the same thing because he there was plays even earlier in the season. 399 00:26:22.960 --> 00:26:26.240 I think the contrast of Tanner Hudson getting in and like instantly he's throwing 400 00:26:26.240 --> 00:26:27.799 at Tanner Hudson on third down. You're like, what, But there was 401 00:26:27.839 --> 00:26:32.319 plays where Mitch will Cox is opening. It looks like Burrow just completely bypasses 402 00:26:32.400 --> 00:26:34.799 him because he's a step late. The release is different, he turns a 403 00:26:34.839 --> 00:26:37.880 different angle, and it's like, Burrow, if you don't do it exactly, 404 00:26:38.200 --> 00:26:41.640 he's just gonna skip right over you in the progression. Joe Burrow does 405 00:26:41.640 --> 00:26:45.880 have Mitchell Cox's blindness. We can talk about that safely. He does not. 406 00:26:47.720 --> 00:26:49.279 Mitchell Cox has been open a number of times and he's not gotten the 407 00:26:49.279 --> 00:26:52.359 target. But you look at it, like you said, Tanner Hudson has 408 00:26:52.400 --> 00:26:56.559 six targets in two games. Earth Smith has eleven targets in four games. 409 00:26:56.839 --> 00:27:02.200 Why is the ball finding? These guys always are Swiss fault like Leak in 410 00:27:02.240 --> 00:27:07.200 Week six, John Williams gives up the pressure. But anyway, defense, 411 00:27:07.279 --> 00:27:11.039 Joe, any concerns outside of for me, the big one is the interior 412 00:27:11.079 --> 00:27:17.200 backups. I feel pretty good about the way things are trending in the secondary, 413 00:27:18.000 --> 00:27:21.000 where it's not perfect, but I think it's going in the right direction. 414 00:27:22.480 --> 00:27:30.680 But thinking about Zach Carter and Josh Tupoh and teams being able to take 415 00:27:30.720 --> 00:27:34.680 advantage of that, it's just been such a theme for the defense. And 416 00:27:34.759 --> 00:27:40.319 we've been talking about the defensive tackle position now for a few years because you 417 00:27:40.319 --> 00:27:41.680 know, if you remember when DJ Reader was signed and it's like, well, 418 00:27:41.720 --> 00:27:45.000 Gino Aikins got hurt the next year, and it's then, well, 419 00:27:45.000 --> 00:27:47.680 they need another guy, and they trade for b J Hill and networks and 420 00:27:47.720 --> 00:27:52.000 Ogan Jobey was a roller coaster what effective and they lose him in free agency 421 00:27:52.039 --> 00:27:53.400 and it's like, okay, that year they got to draft a d tackle. 422 00:27:53.400 --> 00:27:57.400 They need a third guy, and they draft Zak Carter in the third 423 00:27:57.480 --> 00:28:00.000 round and we'll go, okay, we'll find let's see what happens in a 424 00:28:00.079 --> 00:28:03.279 year or so. And we're here a year later and it's like, yeah, 425 00:28:03.319 --> 00:28:06.720 he's still the same guy and maybe even worse. Somehow, I don't 426 00:28:06.720 --> 00:28:08.400 know how that happened. He was at least serviceable against the run last year, 427 00:28:08.400 --> 00:28:12.039 and now he's getting washed out in double teams and this and that, 428 00:28:12.359 --> 00:28:18.759 and yeah, the amount of snaps that are being forced upon Reader and Hill 429 00:28:18.240 --> 00:28:22.640 because you don't trust your backups. And then even when they do say, 430 00:28:22.640 --> 00:28:23.839 okay, this drive or we got to the you know, it's been six 431 00:28:23.839 --> 00:28:26.200 plays, let's throw of the backups in for four plays or whatever it is, 432 00:28:26.480 --> 00:28:30.799 it's immediately noticeable. When you're watching, You're like, oh my god, 433 00:28:30.359 --> 00:28:33.960 yeah, six yeard run, Yeah, the backup the tackles are in. 434 00:28:33.039 --> 00:28:37.559 I start getting frustrated watching because you know instantly that they're in the game. 435 00:28:37.880 --> 00:28:40.519 And the same could be said for the pass rushers on the edge too. 436 00:28:40.720 --> 00:28:42.599 We haven't seen a side back yet. Hopefully it looked like he was 437 00:28:42.640 --> 00:28:47.079 trending that way. He doesn't look as bursty yet. He we haven't seen 438 00:28:47.119 --> 00:28:49.319 him kick inside other than one snap, so we need to see if he 439 00:28:49.359 --> 00:28:53.079 can help there. The positive was cam Sample had a few nice wins on 440 00:28:53.119 --> 00:28:56.440 the inside. Maybe we see more of that. But still like, if 441 00:28:56.480 --> 00:29:00.559 I will talk about how they can fix some of these things, get better 442 00:29:00.599 --> 00:29:03.480 and maybe some trade targets, I'd be with a defensive tackle completely. I 443 00:29:03.519 --> 00:29:07.640 think I don't think you can have a truly effective pass rush. I'm surprised 444 00:29:07.640 --> 00:29:11.440 there a pass rush has been as good as it is, and for Hendrickson 445 00:29:11.640 --> 00:29:15.079 to do what he's doing only rushing from right defense then and getting almost no 446 00:29:15.240 --> 00:29:19.880 help inside Other than that, I mean, Hill and Reader have accumulated a 447 00:29:19.880 --> 00:29:23.640 couple of sacks, but they're playing almost every snap, but a consistent push 448 00:29:23.920 --> 00:29:27.799 or a threat to penetrate that pocket really isn't there up from those two. 449 00:29:27.839 --> 00:29:30.319 They do their job, and they do it well. But you know what 450 00:29:30.319 --> 00:29:33.880 I'm saying, I'll say it. Readers have gun sort of been. A 451 00:29:33.880 --> 00:29:37.559 couple of sacks have come because he's erased escape planes and there's no place for 452 00:29:37.640 --> 00:29:41.240 quarterbacks to step up. So I'll just throw that out there. Sorry, 453 00:29:41.319 --> 00:29:44.240 James, No, it's all right. I think it's a good good time 454 00:29:44.279 --> 00:29:51.160 to tease out of solutions trades ideas. I honestly, I think that's where 455 00:29:51.200 --> 00:29:52.839 we're at. I mean, everyone's going to agree that the secondary has been 456 00:29:52.880 --> 00:29:56.920 pretty good and they're going to crap on Nick Scott. We'll see if he 457 00:29:56.960 --> 00:30:00.759 can figure it out and play better over the final eleven. But that's outside 458 00:30:00.759 --> 00:30:03.000 of Nick Scott. What are you going to complain about? You know, 459 00:30:03.160 --> 00:30:10.759 I think that the that that it's really caught. Yeah, sure, yeah 460 00:30:10.839 --> 00:30:14.319 with trick plays. Jake is on the trick play trade. I didn't buy 461 00:30:14.319 --> 00:30:17.240 it early, and he mentioned it in a crossover. I don't know, 462 00:30:17.359 --> 00:30:19.359 week three. Maybe I'm like, come on, it's only week three, 463 00:30:19.400 --> 00:30:22.559 and then of course they get beat. It was it was going into the 464 00:30:22.559 --> 00:30:26.160 Tennessee game. It was week four. Every time the team is dialed up 465 00:30:26.200 --> 00:30:30.359 at trick play, the Bengels have lost to the trick play. That doesn't 466 00:30:30.359 --> 00:30:33.960 always mean it's been completed, because the quarterbacks have missing throws on like flea 467 00:30:34.000 --> 00:30:38.279 flickers and stuff like that. But uh, I will say this one thing 468 00:30:38.319 --> 00:30:41.799 I was really impressed with against Seattle was I thought the play action disciplined. 469 00:30:41.839 --> 00:30:48.240 The defense in general against Seattle was way more disciplined in terms of backside stuff, 470 00:30:48.279 --> 00:30:51.200 in terms of what where they've been gashed by a couple of runs on 471 00:30:51.240 --> 00:30:55.000 cutbacks, in terms of play action, staying home, doing their job kind 472 00:30:55.039 --> 00:30:57.359 of stuff that Marvin Lewis is, do your job. Uh. That that's 473 00:30:57.400 --> 00:31:02.720 something I think has improved for the d defense. There's still some concern about 474 00:31:02.720 --> 00:31:07.559 getting beat over the top where those haven't all been completed, but there are 475 00:31:07.559 --> 00:31:12.039 a couple of instances where they're getting beat over the top and they haven't been 476 00:31:12.039 --> 00:31:18.039 punished for it consistently. We're against better quarterbacks, you probably need to clean 477 00:31:18.079 --> 00:31:22.000 that up a little bit more than they have. And tackling it was better 478 00:31:22.000 --> 00:31:25.519 against Seattle. Lou and Rimo seem pleased with it, but it was still 479 00:31:25.559 --> 00:31:30.119 soft. There were some soft tackles where there were some yards gained after contact 480 00:31:30.160 --> 00:31:32.799 where you would like to see that be a little bit better too. But 481 00:31:33.279 --> 00:31:37.799 we'll to talk about some solutions here this week, and we'll get to some 482 00:31:37.839 --> 00:31:41.640 trade targets stuff like that, because the Bengals aren't back of practice until Wednesday 483 00:31:41.680 --> 00:31:47.200 anyway, so stay tuned. We'll go there on our next episode here on 484 00:31:47.480 --> 00:31:51.799 Lockdown Bengals. Go check out Joe Goodbarry stuff Bengals on the brand. You 485 00:31:51.799 --> 00:31:55.079 can find it on YouTube. 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