WEBVTT 1 00:00:04.440 --> 00:00:11.439 It's the Dearly Departed Podcast, featuring your host, historian Scott Michaels and filmmaker 2 00:00:11.519 --> 00:00:25.679 Mike Dorsey. And welcome to the Dearly Departed Podcast. It's our thirtieth episode. 3 00:00:26.519 --> 00:00:30.320 You believe it's Scott, Yeah, what's the thirtieth anniversary. There's a 4 00:00:30.440 --> 00:00:35.359 there's a you know, there's yeah, let's see, let's see what that 5 00:00:35.479 --> 00:00:37.920 is. But yeah, thanks for staring with us. I know it's been 6 00:00:37.960 --> 00:00:44.320 a while and appreciate it's. Yeah. And while Scott looks that up, 7 00:00:44.359 --> 00:00:50.679 I'm Mike Dorsey and I'm Scott Michaels and this is Dearly Departed Podcast. And 8 00:00:50.719 --> 00:00:54.600 what do you what do you get for thirty pearl? You get a pearl 9 00:00:54.679 --> 00:01:00.679 necklace? Mike, oh nice? Oh oh yeah, there's no double entendre 10 00:01:00.840 --> 00:01:04.000 with that at all. I don't know what you mean. I don't know, 11 00:01:06.040 --> 00:01:10.040 all right. So I was going to ask you since it was just 12 00:01:10.120 --> 00:01:14.319 Halloween and we were going to try and do this for Halloween, because news 13 00:01:14.400 --> 00:01:19.439 flash, we were going to talk about the universal monsters of the nineteen thirties 14 00:01:19.480 --> 00:01:22.719 on this episode. Uh. That was It was a good follow up to 15 00:01:22.959 --> 00:01:26.200 Freaks, Todd Browning's Freaks, which was our last episode. So it was 16 00:01:26.239 --> 00:01:29.840 a nice little companion piece with that. But um, I was thinking about 17 00:01:30.200 --> 00:01:33.799 since it was just Halloween, Uh, did you ever have any Halloween traditions 18 00:01:33.920 --> 00:01:38.560 growing up Scott Well, you know, we did the trick or treating thing. 19 00:01:38.799 --> 00:01:41.400 In fact, I was just talking to somebody the other day, I 20 00:01:41.439 --> 00:01:46.719 think most of mine. I could never post pictures of like seventy five percent 21 00:01:46.760 --> 00:01:52.480 of the costumes I watched for Halloween because I'd be destroyed. It's just, 22 00:01:52.799 --> 00:01:56.959 you know it. Yeah, It's just everything has changed and shifted so drastically 23 00:01:57.480 --> 00:02:01.719 that you can't. You can't, you can't. All of it was with 24 00:02:01.799 --> 00:02:07.599 someone who was canceled. Yes, yes, uh so so what would you 25 00:02:07.680 --> 00:02:10.039 do? Just put one of those? Yeah? I did go one time 26 00:02:10.039 --> 00:02:14.159 as a clown police. And this is back in the eighties, this isn't 27 00:02:14.159 --> 00:02:16.439 before there was an internet. But I did go. We had my friend 28 00:02:16.759 --> 00:02:23.000 Bohannan and I we we wore berets. We had uh we put little clown 29 00:02:23.120 --> 00:02:28.680 symbolbozo symbols with slashes through them, and I had Albozo lunchbox and in it 30 00:02:28.800 --> 00:02:36.560 I had clown makeup remover and pins for for for for animals, for balloon 31 00:02:36.639 --> 00:02:39.560 animals and we're just like military with like maglates and stuff. But it was 32 00:02:39.759 --> 00:02:44.080 it was the anti clown police. So that was one of one of the 33 00:02:44.120 --> 00:02:46.840 good one of the good ones, uh, that that I can talk about. 34 00:02:47.479 --> 00:02:51.120 I was an army kid, but yeah, this is a regular trick 35 00:02:51.199 --> 00:02:53.879 or treating business. We did the Devil's Night thing, too, which was 36 00:02:53.319 --> 00:02:57.400 I don't I think that was an exclusive to Detroit thing. That is a 37 00:02:57.479 --> 00:03:00.280 Detroit thing. Yeah, yeah, so was the night before Halloween we called 38 00:03:00.280 --> 00:03:05.400 a Devil's Night and we would go out. It was it was prank fun. 39 00:03:05.520 --> 00:03:07.479 It wasn't nice. It was mean, but it was kids. Like 40 00:03:07.919 --> 00:03:13.199 writing things on windows was soap. You know, it wasn't permanent damage, 41 00:03:13.319 --> 00:03:17.039 but it was vandalism. And in the sixties and seventies it was you know, 42 00:03:17.159 --> 00:03:20.639 it was a little bit more of a nudge nudge, wink wink kind 43 00:03:20.639 --> 00:03:23.240 of a thing. Now, you know, you know, anyone walking around 44 00:03:23.240 --> 00:03:28.199 the night before Halloween is is you couldn't do it anymore. But it was 45 00:03:28.240 --> 00:03:30.759 just a different time and I'm not priord of it, but it was just 46 00:03:30.800 --> 00:03:34.639 one of those things. And then it became a whole different thing in Detroit 47 00:03:34.719 --> 00:03:38.080 where you know, became famous for you know, people lighting cars on Buyer 48 00:03:38.120 --> 00:03:42.479 and stuff like that. That was more. That was after I left Detroit, 49 00:03:42.560 --> 00:03:46.639 it became a whole different thing. And so then they decided to rename 50 00:03:46.639 --> 00:03:51.159 it Angel Night instead, but uh, yeah, it's the fire department. 51 00:03:51.199 --> 00:03:53.240 Were always Yeah, but back when we were kids, it was like throwing 52 00:03:53.319 --> 00:03:59.159 eggs and ringing doorbells and running that's all. So it was it was more 53 00:03:59.280 --> 00:04:02.319 and it's and I'm saying it was innocent. But anyways, right man, 54 00:04:02.439 --> 00:04:09.280 we were hardcore Devil's Night. I mean, when I was a little kid, 55 00:04:09.319 --> 00:04:12.560 I liked the Disney Channel Halloween stuff on Halloween Night was always fun to 56 00:04:12.560 --> 00:04:15.120 watch because you always go trigger treating and then you'd come home and put on 57 00:04:15.279 --> 00:04:20.519 you know, Halloween programming and yeah, you know that's not exactly uh you 58 00:04:20.560 --> 00:04:25.000 know, no Devil's Night for me. I guess. One time in college 59 00:04:25.040 --> 00:04:29.120 one of my more tasteless costumes was I went as Buddy Holly after the plane 60 00:04:29.120 --> 00:04:33.079 crash. Oh and my girlfriend at the time went as the president of the 61 00:04:33.120 --> 00:04:38.879 Buddy Holly Band Club, and she was did they weep stand next to you 62 00:04:39.000 --> 00:04:42.519 just cry? And um, it was pretty dark. I'll just say that 63 00:04:42.560 --> 00:04:45.560 it was pretty dark, but her off it was basically just like a fifties 64 00:04:45.639 --> 00:04:47.680 dress, you know. And uh, and I had like a card again, 65 00:04:47.720 --> 00:04:50.160 and I had a I had a guitar at the time of electric guitar, 66 00:04:50.199 --> 00:04:53.800 so I walked around with the fender, but I put like branches in 67 00:04:53.839 --> 00:04:57.639 the fender. It was, it was, it was. It's one of 68 00:04:57.639 --> 00:04:59.879 those things that seems okay at the time, but when you get older, 69 00:04:59.879 --> 00:05:03.879 your like it's you know, it's funny Halloween. It's like, you know, 70 00:05:04.120 --> 00:05:08.439 Princess Diana with a steering wheel around her neck, that's funny. I'm 71 00:05:08.480 --> 00:05:10.800 sorry, you know, yeah, cancel me. I you know, the 72 00:05:10.839 --> 00:05:14.720 whole thing is that we're inappropriate. It's a life. We're not going hooray 73 00:05:14.839 --> 00:05:18.360 Diana is dead. We're not going hooray buddy Holly's dead. But you know, 74 00:05:18.399 --> 00:05:21.000 for God's sake, just just lighting up. I mean, it's it's 75 00:05:21.199 --> 00:05:27.160 gets a bad taste. It's a whole point. But exactly, it's not 76 00:05:27.279 --> 00:05:35.680 serious. But I would never tell you what I dressed up. News of 77 00:05:35.720 --> 00:05:44.879 the week another thing I wanted to talk about, And I know you wanted 78 00:05:44.879 --> 00:05:47.120 to talk about this too big news. Uh, just uh, whenever you 79 00:05:47.160 --> 00:05:51.160 think you're having like a bad week or a bad month. Robert Durst was 80 00:05:51.240 --> 00:05:57.920 convicted for killing Susan Burman. He got COVID and was also now been charged 81 00:05:57.959 --> 00:06:00.879 with his wife's his former wife's murder from nineteen eighty two, all in the 82 00:06:00.920 --> 00:06:05.319 span of like a couple of weeks. So your life could always go worse, 83 00:06:06.040 --> 00:06:10.199 right, Yeah? Well, yeah, I mean durshboys Um. He 84 00:06:10.360 --> 00:06:15.240 was the subject of the show, the famous documentary The Jinks The Jinks, 85 00:06:15.680 --> 00:06:23.240 and very famously basically confessed while on camera and uh, yeah they could they 86 00:06:23.240 --> 00:06:26.480 could use that, couldn't they? They could use that. He was he 87 00:06:26.519 --> 00:06:30.600 was at a urinal and just talking to himself. Yeah, but he still 88 00:06:30.800 --> 00:06:33.519 still mid Yeah, and he was, and he and he gave permission to 89 00:06:33.560 --> 00:06:38.600 be recorded. So it was fair fair game, wasn't it. Yeah, 90 00:06:38.279 --> 00:06:41.720 And the filmmakers always was a direty. I think he's a filmmaker's name. 91 00:06:41.920 --> 00:06:46.360 I think they've claimed that they didn't they didn't find that footage until much much 92 00:06:46.480 --> 00:06:49.000 later into the editing process. I don't know if I totally believe that, 93 00:06:49.040 --> 00:06:51.399 but whatever, I'll take their word for it makes sense, I mean, 94 00:06:51.399 --> 00:06:54.439 because this is a throwaway. If you're gonna go, you know, you 95 00:06:54.519 --> 00:06:58.319 go to the bathroom. He would just throw that away. It's very unusual 96 00:06:58.439 --> 00:07:02.079 when you cut camera though, for sound to keep rolling. And they did 97 00:07:02.160 --> 00:07:06.160 plan They did show them planning that interview out in detail. They made it 98 00:07:06.199 --> 00:07:10.000 part of the film, like they're planning because it was the second time they 99 00:07:10.040 --> 00:07:12.439 were interviewing him, so they were trying to figure out, you know, 100 00:07:12.439 --> 00:07:14.920 what questions to ask and whatever. I'm just I don't know. I always 101 00:07:14.959 --> 00:07:17.439 wonder, I don't I have no inside information on this, but I always 102 00:07:17.480 --> 00:07:21.560 wonder if it was completely you think it was, it was contrived. It's 103 00:07:21.639 --> 00:07:25.959 possible it could be contrived that they well, they always knew, they all 104 00:07:26.079 --> 00:07:28.560 well, they all they knew. He had been caught mumbling on a hot 105 00:07:28.600 --> 00:07:30.279 mic in the first interview, and I think his lawyer or somebody, a 106 00:07:30.360 --> 00:07:32.879 rapper or somebody was there with him and went over and had to tell him 107 00:07:32.879 --> 00:07:36.800 to shut up because they're, like, you know, they were between they 108 00:07:36.879 --> 00:07:40.000 kind of were taking a break, but he was still sitting in his chair, 109 00:07:40.000 --> 00:07:42.480 and this was the first interview where he didn't confess, but he was 110 00:07:42.560 --> 00:07:45.519 kind of mumbling things, and a woman went over and warned him, Hey, 111 00:07:45.560 --> 00:07:46.800 they can hear what you're saying. You need to be careful what you're 112 00:07:46.800 --> 00:07:51.240 saying. So as a filmmaker, who I mean, just as hypothetical, 113 00:07:51.279 --> 00:07:54.279 as a filmmaker, I would be saying, Okay, we already caught him 114 00:07:54.319 --> 00:07:56.879 on a hot mic once we know he tends to do that, so I 115 00:07:56.879 --> 00:08:00.319 will tell my sound guy, hey, when we cut, you keep rolling 116 00:08:00.639 --> 00:08:03.079 until I come to you and specifically tell you to cut because he might say 117 00:08:03.160 --> 00:08:07.079 some stuff. So let's let's get it. And then they got it. 118 00:08:07.279 --> 00:08:11.399 But then I guess there's somebody I know that knows the filmmakers, and they 119 00:08:11.600 --> 00:08:16.199 in their adamant that it was totally it was a total accident that I guess. 120 00:08:16.240 --> 00:08:20.079 Originally they were going to end the series with the letter with it with 121 00:08:20.120 --> 00:08:24.399 Beverly Hills, but misspelled. Um that was going to be their big reveal 122 00:08:24.519 --> 00:08:28.000 moment at the end. And then somewhere towards the end of the editing they 123 00:08:28.040 --> 00:08:31.840 caught that extra audio, found it and realized they had, like something even 124 00:08:31.879 --> 00:08:37.360 better than the envelope. So I don't know, Yeah, yeah, Durst, 125 00:08:37.399 --> 00:08:39.559 I mean dur Well, he's been convicted, so he could say he 126 00:08:39.639 --> 00:08:45.039 murdered Susan Burman. Who was a basically a mob daughter and lived in Bennedict 127 00:08:45.080 --> 00:08:48.840 Canyon on Bennedict Canyon Boulevard and was shot the back of the head. And 128 00:08:48.080 --> 00:08:54.559 Durst was convicted found guilty of her murder. But there was a two thousand 129 00:08:54.639 --> 00:08:56.799 that that happened, right, yeah, well yeah, and then there was 130 00:08:56.840 --> 00:09:01.919 an anonymous letter sent to the Beverly Hills Police Department, and you know, 131 00:09:01.039 --> 00:09:07.080 the word Beverly Hills, Beverly I think was misspelled and he had spelled as 132 00:09:07.960 --> 00:09:11.720 it was totally traced back to him. So yeah, he was found guilty 133 00:09:11.720 --> 00:09:15.519 and then that that whole what a bizarre story. It was a letter where 134 00:09:15.519 --> 00:09:18.480 he wrote to let them know that there was he he was the word cadaver, 135 00:09:18.600 --> 00:09:20.840 so they called it a cadaver letter, but it was the to let 136 00:09:20.840 --> 00:09:24.200 them know that there was a dead body in Susan Burman's house. So I 137 00:09:24.240 --> 00:09:28.320 guess he was her friend, uh, you know, and he murdered her, 138 00:09:28.360 --> 00:09:31.320 so maybe he felt somewhat bad about it and wanted to make sure that 139 00:09:31.360 --> 00:09:35.480 they found her body. I guess so he sent I mean that would be 140 00:09:35.080 --> 00:09:37.919 pretty ugly. Well, you know, it's like four doors down from where 141 00:09:37.919 --> 00:09:41.000 George Reeves died of a gunshot wounded the head. You know, it's a 142 00:09:41.120 --> 00:09:46.159 crazy fol crazy neighborhood. Yeah, yeah, well we go, we said, 143 00:09:46.240 --> 00:09:52.279 we talked about that before. But there has to be a Manson connection, 144 00:09:52.320 --> 00:09:56.720 doesn't there We always have always, um so, Yeah, so durst 145 00:09:56.840 --> 00:10:01.000 is um So, it's it's wild. I did not. I was surprised 146 00:10:01.039 --> 00:10:05.240 that they are now charging him officially with the murderer or or I think they've 147 00:10:05.320 --> 00:10:09.399 charged or considering charging. I think they did charge him with the murder of 148 00:10:09.480 --> 00:10:11.879 his first wife that has never been found. They've always assumed that she was 149 00:10:11.960 --> 00:10:16.639 murdered. She disappeared under mysterious circumstances, which was you know, also covered 150 00:10:16.679 --> 00:10:22.320 in the jinks. Um so. But they you know, it would be 151 00:10:22.440 --> 00:10:26.200 nice if he would at least, you know, assuming that he was that 152 00:10:26.320 --> 00:10:28.720 he was responsible, It would be nice if he would at least tell them 153 00:10:28.720 --> 00:10:33.559 where he put her, right. I don't know if they'll ever I don't 154 00:10:33.559 --> 00:10:37.240 know if her family ever get that closure. You know. Yeah. Right, 155 00:10:37.799 --> 00:10:39.960 it's uh yeah, what a mess. And he's just this crump, 156 00:10:39.000 --> 00:10:43.320 a little old man now and he's going to die in prison. It's uh, 157 00:10:43.320 --> 00:10:50.360 you know, it's that, it's it's just people are demented anyway, 158 00:10:52.000 --> 00:10:56.080 Uh what else? Man? Well, there was I mean we should touch 159 00:10:56.120 --> 00:11:03.559 on the Alec Baldwin thing that was that was crazy. Um the it's I 160 00:11:03.600 --> 00:11:09.600 mean, it's so sad and so bad that that there was a live weapon 161 00:11:09.320 --> 00:11:13.639 on the set of that movie that and all Alec Baldwin, you know, 162 00:11:15.240 --> 00:11:16.919 really just killed the guy. I mean, it's just it's just the fact 163 00:11:16.960 --> 00:11:20.159 that killed they killed the woman. I'm sorry. Yeah, it's such a 164 00:11:20.559 --> 00:11:24.279 to have that on your conscience and just you know, to have that is 165 00:11:24.320 --> 00:11:28.159 this gun okay, yes, it's okay, Okay, here you are, 166 00:11:28.519 --> 00:11:31.080 you know, and yeah, I mean here's an actor who has handled tons 167 00:11:31.080 --> 00:11:35.080 of firearms throughout his career, and is that you know? All you trust 168 00:11:35.159 --> 00:11:37.799 the people that handed the armor on set and they assistant director have checked it 169 00:11:39.440 --> 00:11:43.240 and for whatever reason, the gun hadn't been checked. And the craziest thing 170 00:11:43.320 --> 00:11:46.559 is they're saying it was a real live bullet, because sometimes when they say 171 00:11:46.600 --> 00:11:48.960 live round that can also mean a blank, but they I guess they've since 172 00:11:50.000 --> 00:11:52.159 specified and it was an actual bullet that came out of the gun. And 173 00:11:52.200 --> 00:11:56.240 what in the world a live bullet was doing on a movie set? Is 174 00:11:56.320 --> 00:12:00.120 you know, there's it's questions on top of questions with this one, and 175 00:12:00.200 --> 00:12:03.360 it, um, it makes me really upset to even think about it. 176 00:12:03.399 --> 00:12:07.639 But you know there's one other thing too, that's that's something that's that that 177 00:12:07.159 --> 00:12:11.919 is you know, it's a terrible situation. And this is not in any 178 00:12:11.919 --> 00:12:15.960 way being accusatory of anything. But anyone that's handled or learned to handle a 179 00:12:15.960 --> 00:12:18.720 firearm, you never pointed at anybody. I know that that's part of the 180 00:12:20.159 --> 00:12:22.279 that's part of the movie. So that's what he was supposed to do it. 181 00:12:22.320 --> 00:12:26.000 But yeah, it just seems like I would be very uncomfortable, you 182 00:12:26.039 --> 00:12:30.360 know, doing that. But yeah, just actually it doesn't even matter what 183 00:12:30.440 --> 00:12:33.279 I just said, because it was the whole point was he supposed to shoot 184 00:12:33.279 --> 00:12:35.240 somebody with it, and he's just staying the gun at the camera, so 185 00:12:35.279 --> 00:12:39.200 there's gonna be a person standing there, so he he thinks he's holding an 186 00:12:39.240 --> 00:12:41.919 empty gun and he's showing this is what I'm gonna do, and go have 187 00:12:43.080 --> 00:12:46.360 that on your conscience. It's so it's so sad you would think, you 188 00:12:46.399 --> 00:12:50.639 know, that's happened before with John ere Hexham and Brandy and Lee and um, 189 00:12:50.960 --> 00:12:54.519 you know, granted you know Hexham was was a stupid mistake on his 190 00:12:54.639 --> 00:12:58.799 part. But but yeah, just you know, they're making this big deal 191 00:12:58.840 --> 00:13:01.799 about there should never be a live ammunition on a movie. Well there just 192 00:13:01.799 --> 00:13:05.480 shouldn't, you know, You're just done. Rather they should not, And 193 00:13:05.519 --> 00:13:09.559 I don't see why they don't make fake guns. Why they put real firearms 194 00:13:09.600 --> 00:13:11.519 on the set. You know, fake guns are are pretty convincing, and 195 00:13:11.559 --> 00:13:16.639 that's what prop people do. So I mean I used, uh, I 196 00:13:16.679 --> 00:13:22.159 had a gun on the set of my uh the recreations I shot from Murder 197 00:13:22.200 --> 00:13:24.000 rep. We used an airsoft guns. So it's a gun that does not 198 00:13:24.080 --> 00:13:28.200 even shoot cannot shoot real bullets to begin with. It's just gas powered. 199 00:13:28.480 --> 00:13:31.639 It's made to shoot plastic pellets. So even if it was loaded, which 200 00:13:31.639 --> 00:13:33.840 are made to be shot at people. I mean, it's not supposed to. 201 00:13:33.840 --> 00:13:37.440 It's not. It can't hurt you kind of. It just needs to 202 00:13:37.440 --> 00:13:39.879 demonstrate some kind of kick back, I guess, but it shows that. 203 00:13:39.000 --> 00:13:43.399 But the gas power makes the slide pop back on a semi automatic, so 204 00:13:43.440 --> 00:13:46.960 it looks realistic when you're pulling the trigger and you get a little recoil off 205 00:13:46.960 --> 00:13:50.399 of that. Um, yeah, I don't understand why I don't understand why 206 00:13:50.440 --> 00:13:54.879 they don't have kind of weak to your point, why they don't have guns 207 00:13:54.879 --> 00:13:56.480 that go through all the mechanics of shooting a gun, but don't have a 208 00:13:56.879 --> 00:14:03.600 barrel and a hammer that actually knights around and can fire something down a barrel. 209 00:14:03.639 --> 00:14:05.480 I don't understand why you need that part of it. You can have 210 00:14:05.519 --> 00:14:09.399 a slide that kicks back when you pull the trigger and something come out to 211 00:14:09.440 --> 00:14:11.960 barrel, you know the end of the guns just like pop, like a 212 00:14:13.080 --> 00:14:16.320 you know, a cap or whatever come out. Uh, there's no reason 213 00:14:16.360 --> 00:14:20.559 to have I don't understand a working chamber, barrel, hammer. I don't 214 00:14:20.639 --> 00:14:24.919 understand why you need all that. So Hutchins was the cinematographer's name who passed 215 00:14:24.919 --> 00:14:30.440 away, So rest in peace to her. Yeah, it's and and Gon 216 00:14:30.559 --> 00:14:33.639 bless her family. Man. That's and the Alan Baldwin's family. That's just 217 00:14:33.720 --> 00:14:35.960 awful. Anyway, everybody but everybody was there that day is is going to 218 00:14:37.000 --> 00:14:41.679 be traumatized from it. So well, moving on, what out do you 219 00:14:41.679 --> 00:14:43.720 have any other news or do you want to move on to hate mail? 220 00:14:45.240 --> 00:14:54.000 Let's let's move on to hate mail. Hate mail? All right, you 221 00:14:54.000 --> 00:14:58.679 said you said you had some good ones. It's mostly trolling for trolls I 222 00:14:58.679 --> 00:15:01.840 get. I get feedback on my YouTube videos, and I saved the comments 223 00:15:03.039 --> 00:15:07.240 Troy. Troy's been saving them, and I asked him not to tell me 224 00:15:07.399 --> 00:15:11.279 what they say and just to send him to me for this because you so 225 00:15:11.559 --> 00:15:16.799 you'll what you'll do is you'll hear um. Uh these coming out for the 226 00:15:16.840 --> 00:15:20.759 first time, these these comments have been sent to me, Troy, have 227 00:15:20.879 --> 00:15:24.960 saved them, and I'm going to read them to you. And for the 228 00:15:24.000 --> 00:15:28.799 first time. You have not seen these yet. Yeah, Okay, there's 229 00:15:28.799 --> 00:15:33.960 not as many as I hoped. So somebody I did, oh, I 230 00:15:33.039 --> 00:15:37.600 did a true crime artifact. I was showing some of the things in my 231 00:15:37.679 --> 00:15:43.559 collection and uh, and somebody wrote Alex Alex C wrote, why do you 232 00:15:43.600 --> 00:15:48.000 collect such shit? Why not collect an entire painting that the subject actually looked 233 00:15:48.000 --> 00:15:52.759 at and appreciated the same way you can today, or a car that he 234 00:15:52.879 --> 00:15:56.840 or she drove. What the is this broken handles and pieces of pottery? 235 00:15:58.240 --> 00:16:03.399 Sorry, but collecting scrap of a building material is just sad. It's like, 236 00:16:03.440 --> 00:16:06.960 Okay, well that's that's not that good. Good go find your own 237 00:16:07.039 --> 00:16:11.840 hobby, Alex. Yeah, the David White I did a David White video 238 00:16:11.879 --> 00:16:15.120 about him and his son being in the Panama lockerbeat bombing. David White played 239 00:16:15.200 --> 00:16:21.639 Larry Tates, uh somebody called crazy train who has a Manson icon okay, 240 00:16:22.039 --> 00:16:26.679 as with with the swastika on his forehead, And I said, Dearly Departed 241 00:16:26.919 --> 00:16:30.399 Tours is an old dinosaur. It's like, it's kind of like watching a 242 00:16:30.600 --> 00:16:34.200 one and a half year old toddler squeal with excitement because they picked up a 243 00:16:34.200 --> 00:16:38.440 piece of garbage off the street and think it is a treasure. Boring and 244 00:16:38.519 --> 00:16:41.720 redundant. I don't think it's redundant at all. Maybe boring, but I 245 00:16:41.720 --> 00:16:44.799 don't think. Look, I think we need to I think I think they 246 00:16:44.799 --> 00:16:47.279 need to pick a metaphor and stick with it. You're both a dinosaur and 247 00:16:47.360 --> 00:16:51.120 a coder. How is that possible? That's actually, yeah, a very 248 00:16:51.159 --> 00:16:52.919 good point. Come on, he's just saying, for the for the next, 249 00:16:52.960 --> 00:16:56.399 for the next one, you for the next comment. That guy makes, 250 00:16:56.480 --> 00:17:00.440 you know, just a little writing tip. You know, they'll make 251 00:17:00.480 --> 00:17:03.200 your metaphors up, well, Troy, will you know he's he's kind of 252 00:17:03.200 --> 00:17:07.880 about it because sometimes they're upsetting, because they really I'm upsetting. It's not 253 00:17:07.920 --> 00:17:11.519 the right word for it. But they're annoying because they go after they don't 254 00:17:11.559 --> 00:17:12.839 even be creative. You know, they're just saying you're big and ugly and 255 00:17:12.880 --> 00:17:15.680 stupid. It's like, you know, haha, very funny, and so 256 00:17:15.799 --> 00:17:18.759 you know that gets exhausting because you know, I don't I don't want as 257 00:17:18.799 --> 00:17:23.000 to tell me what I look like. But but uh, anyway, so 258 00:17:23.079 --> 00:17:30.119 let's see what this one. Jackson keep Okay, I didn't even know what 259 00:17:30.119 --> 00:17:32.839 this means and I don't even even remember what video it's from. Jackson. 260 00:17:33.039 --> 00:17:34.480 Oh, Michael Jackson. This is Michael Jackson. I did the thing. 261 00:17:34.480 --> 00:17:42.440 I knew where he's buried. Jackson, keep me keep her jeans Jesus if 262 00:17:42.480 --> 00:17:48.359 she needs a meet her. Jesus did not Jewish have had he has held 263 00:17:48.480 --> 00:17:56.839 ID is just jealous? I different January. I'd keep is sounds like somebody 264 00:17:56.880 --> 00:18:03.799 had their voice to text on and didn't know it. The the Let's see 265 00:18:03.799 --> 00:18:07.000 if I can find another one. I plan on preserving the toilet the museum 266 00:18:07.000 --> 00:18:11.640 owners will overdose on and sending pictures of it to their families. You know, 267 00:18:11.839 --> 00:18:17.119 for history. It's funny. Haven't you commented on that in the past, 268 00:18:17.119 --> 00:18:19.480 though, like you want to be on a death tour or something like 269 00:18:19.519 --> 00:18:25.079 that someday, or you wouldn't mind it or something like that. Have I 270 00:18:25.119 --> 00:18:29.160 am, I replied to them, No, no, no, I'm just 271 00:18:29.240 --> 00:18:33.200 having Haven't you ever talked about that before? Because people have criticized you said, 272 00:18:33.200 --> 00:18:34.799 I hope somebody drives, you know, buy your house after you die, 273 00:18:36.240 --> 00:18:40.759 or something like, yeah, right, yeah, I mean that's that's 274 00:18:40.799 --> 00:18:45.279 that's that goes back to that thing that you know, the people dying two 275 00:18:45.359 --> 00:18:48.759 times. The first time you dies when you physically die and draw your last 276 00:18:48.759 --> 00:18:51.519 breath, and the second time is when someone says your name for the last 277 00:18:51.559 --> 00:18:53.599 time out loud. So it's like, well, shit, drive by my 278 00:18:53.640 --> 00:18:56.599 house. At least you'll be saying my name, you know, right now 279 00:18:57.039 --> 00:19:02.880 mine? With that, I don't want to be here anymore anyways. So 280 00:19:02.880 --> 00:19:06.920 who cares? That's true? That's true. I okay, So that was 281 00:19:07.000 --> 00:19:11.640 that one. Um, somebody was angry about the Cabazon dinosaurs. That doesn't 282 00:19:11.640 --> 00:19:17.640 really matter. Let's see, let's see somebody was mad about the dinosaurs. 283 00:19:18.519 --> 00:19:22.799 Yeah, the Cabazon dinosaurs that I posted a video because they painted them look 284 00:19:22.839 --> 00:19:26.640 like the flintstones. Yeah, and uh so, so dino is purple, 285 00:19:26.720 --> 00:19:30.160 the dinosaurs purple, and the t rexes looking like prey, And I said, 286 00:19:30.240 --> 00:19:32.279 isn't that kind of cool? And they said, I don't think it's 287 00:19:32.359 --> 00:19:34.640 cool at all, just like I don't think it's cool what they did to 288 00:19:34.799 --> 00:19:40.799 Hadley's or that other casino is there. Of fast food chains have littered the 289 00:19:40.880 --> 00:19:44.920 area. What was once an oasis of uniqueness is now just another monument to 290 00:19:45.039 --> 00:19:48.240 greed. You can have it, and it's like or I have to agree 291 00:19:48.279 --> 00:19:52.079 with them, though I do hate what they did with Hadley's. I don't 292 00:19:52.079 --> 00:19:55.680 even know what Hadley's is mic that doesn't that's nothing to me. I don't 293 00:19:55.759 --> 00:19:57.920 what does that mean? Yeah, so Hadley's for for decades and decades was 294 00:19:57.960 --> 00:20:03.519 famous for their dates cakes and it was this cool looking, almost like roadhouse 295 00:20:03.559 --> 00:20:07.279 looking built, freestanding restaurant building that they were in. And now Hadley's is 296 00:20:07.319 --> 00:20:12.720 in like a strip mall and is all like clean and modern and it's still 297 00:20:12.720 --> 00:20:15.039 good. I mean, you still get the day. I still recommend Hadley's 298 00:20:15.079 --> 00:20:18.880 day shakes, but it's not like it. The charm of it is all 299 00:20:18.920 --> 00:20:22.799 gone. I see what they used to have. Yeah, Hadley's I was 300 00:20:22.839 --> 00:20:26.279 big with our family used to stopping at Hadley's a lot. I mean that 301 00:20:26.359 --> 00:20:30.559 the dinosaurs are still cool. I mean that's that's that's just like Americana, 302 00:20:30.720 --> 00:20:33.160 you know, that's that's just something silly on the side of the road and 303 00:20:33.319 --> 00:20:37.839 uh whatever. I mean they were they were all faded out and following apart 304 00:20:37.839 --> 00:20:41.160 a couple of years ago. So um, you know, they embrace it 305 00:20:41.200 --> 00:20:45.240 and they're kitschy and they're fun anyway. By repainting them, they keep generating 306 00:20:45.240 --> 00:20:48.160 new interest in them, so they don't get kind of well, so they 307 00:20:48.160 --> 00:20:51.599 don't turn it. They don't. They don't. They have new things in 308 00:20:51.599 --> 00:20:53.640 their gift shop. So it's it's like a cooler vibe to it than it 309 00:20:53.720 --> 00:20:56.920 used to be. They embraced the kitch and I think it's pretty cool. 310 00:20:57.440 --> 00:21:02.480 Yeah, let's see this one is Oh. I did think about Princess Grace's 311 00:21:02.559 --> 00:21:07.640 hears and it went to the National Museum of Funeral History in Houston, and 312 00:21:07.799 --> 00:21:11.400 I opened up the hearst and I sat in you know, the hearst that 313 00:21:11.480 --> 00:21:15.559 carried Princess Grace's body. So I was rude. It was it was route 314 00:21:15.599 --> 00:21:22.359 in indignant in letter and disgusting of you to open up the hearst in sitting 315 00:21:22.400 --> 00:21:26.599 in it disrespectful to Princess Grace. I was liking the video up to that 316 00:21:26.640 --> 00:21:30.000 point. I will not subscribe sad Bass. So yeah, I said, 317 00:21:30.039 --> 00:21:33.799 I wrote. My comment was, oh no, please don't go please, 318 00:21:33.880 --> 00:21:37.920 I beg you. By the way, speaking of my Princess Grace, I 319 00:21:37.000 --> 00:21:41.799 recently, I guess recently a few months ago, I found like a little 320 00:21:41.799 --> 00:21:45.960 short documentary that was shot back at the time when she got married. It 321 00:21:45.039 --> 00:21:49.119 was all about the wedding preparations and the wedding day, you know, all 322 00:21:49.119 --> 00:21:52.680 this stuff in Monaco. It was interesting. It was very you know, 323 00:21:52.839 --> 00:21:56.799 positive raw ra kind of a doctor about the day. But it was really 324 00:21:56.920 --> 00:22:00.359 entertaining and informative, and it was cool to see all the footage, all 325 00:22:00.400 --> 00:22:06.000 the old like sixteen millimeter footage it look like that they shot of all that 326 00:22:06.039 --> 00:22:08.920 stuff. They Yeah, it's interesting because you know who who was an integral 327 00:22:08.960 --> 00:22:11.759 part of doing that. I think we may have talked about that. But 328 00:22:12.480 --> 00:22:18.400 the documentary the royal family that Prince Philip sort of when the queen, you 329 00:22:18.440 --> 00:22:21.839 know, Queen Elizabeth, he was, he was sort of they featured in 330 00:22:21.680 --> 00:22:25.200 the in the crown quite having anybody. He was he was, you know, 331 00:22:25.279 --> 00:22:27.680 spearheaded this drive to sort of open the doors on the royal family and 332 00:22:27.680 --> 00:22:32.440 show them as normal people or humans, not not normal because they'll never be 333 00:22:32.519 --> 00:22:34.839 normal. Yeah, but yeah, and it's very interesting, so they're kind 334 00:22:34.839 --> 00:22:41.039 of just going on to that that sort of theme is showing them as humans. 335 00:22:41.039 --> 00:22:42.359 And plus she was you know, she was a princess, she was 336 00:22:42.400 --> 00:22:48.640 a movie star and you know the yeah, fascinating interesting story and tragic death. 337 00:22:49.160 --> 00:22:52.279 Um yeah yeah, And I mean Ray Window is my favorite movie and 338 00:22:52.640 --> 00:22:59.839 she was just like iconic level gorgeous in that. Oh so okay, So 339 00:23:00.160 --> 00:23:03.319 I did this other video really recently. The last one I did was this 340 00:23:03.480 --> 00:23:08.039 lady who has a wax museum in her house. She has literally the movie 341 00:23:08.079 --> 00:23:11.519 Land wax museum. She has like the entire Wizard of Oz in her bed 342 00:23:11.680 --> 00:23:17.680 in her living room, like with the Yellowberck groat in the trees. She 343 00:23:17.799 --> 00:23:22.759 has the Phantom of the Opera with the organ like a real organ. This 344 00:23:22.799 --> 00:23:26.599 is in her living room. She has a WC. Fields, She has 345 00:23:26.880 --> 00:23:30.880 there's the Shaggy Day in the absent Minded Professor Fred McMurray in a Car that 346 00:23:30.960 --> 00:23:37.920 flew. She has the car hanging in her living room. I mean it's 347 00:23:37.960 --> 00:23:42.200 a life size car with Fred McMurray's wax statue and the wheel spin and there's 348 00:23:42.200 --> 00:23:45.240 the whole deal. I mean this one. But also the most recent thing 349 00:23:45.279 --> 00:23:49.279 she has is Jimmy Stewart from the movie Land Wax Museum. So she has 350 00:23:49.319 --> 00:23:53.640 Jimmy Stewart there with him in his cast, and she has the entire background 351 00:23:53.640 --> 00:23:56.640 that was there, I mean, like the furniture and everything that was on 352 00:23:56.680 --> 00:24:02.079 the shelves behind him, and and the pictures of Jimmy Stewart there with you 353 00:24:02.079 --> 00:24:04.240 know, with when he unveiled it. And it's, uh, you know, 354 00:24:04.279 --> 00:24:08.119 I love wax museums anyway, it's like a batish of mind and uh 355 00:24:08.160 --> 00:24:11.240 and this but I saw her on YouTube. She's got a channel called The 356 00:24:11.240 --> 00:24:15.640 Weird and Wonderful. Her name is Cynthia Lazaris, and she said, yeah, 357 00:24:15.640 --> 00:24:17.279 come on and visit. And I walked in and I was like, 358 00:24:17.640 --> 00:24:21.880 she's got Linda Blair with her head spinning at the at the atter staircase. 359 00:24:22.279 --> 00:24:25.960 You know, she has she has the entire she has like the giant chariot 360 00:24:26.000 --> 00:24:30.440 from Ben Hurr in her family room, you know. Upstairs she has like 361 00:24:30.799 --> 00:24:36.279 the Marx Brothers. I mean, like the entire Marx Brothers. It's insane. 362 00:24:36.400 --> 00:24:40.160 And she has like a Elvira's wedding dress, like a Sandra Peterson and 363 00:24:40.319 --> 00:24:44.440 oh just I mean like it's unbelieve I wish you could sit It's like it's 364 00:24:44.519 --> 00:24:48.359 unknown, it's unbelievable. Yeah, she's she's she's she's hilarious, she's funny, 365 00:24:48.720 --> 00:24:53.000 she's sweet, and she collects wax museums, literally a wax museum. 366 00:24:53.319 --> 00:24:59.119 So wow. Yeah, So check out that YouTube channel, was it again? 367 00:24:59.400 --> 00:25:02.559 Yeah? Weird, wonderful? Yeah, well you could if you go 368 00:25:02.559 --> 00:25:04.920 to mind Dear lead Departy tours, um, you'll find that's my last video 369 00:25:04.920 --> 00:25:07.160 and you can go it's linked to her and you'll see it. It's just 370 00:25:07.160 --> 00:25:14.400 so cool. She's amazing. Yeah yeah yeah. So is that all the 371 00:25:14.440 --> 00:25:15.680 haymal? I think, Oh yeah, that's all my haymal. That's all 372 00:25:15.680 --> 00:25:22.880 my okay, Um, all right, well do we want to get into 373 00:25:22.920 --> 00:25:30.039 the main feature? I think we should. It's time for the main feature, 374 00:25:33.920 --> 00:25:38.200 all right. It is Universal Monsters is our theme of this episode. 375 00:25:38.839 --> 00:25:47.160 The Great monster Movies of the nineteen thirties from Universal Studios. Frankenstein, um 376 00:25:47.359 --> 00:25:52.559 Bride of Frankenstein, the Dracula, Wolfman, Um, the the other Frankenstein 377 00:25:52.640 --> 00:25:57.000 sequels that came out that decade. Um and we're just a huge, huge, 378 00:25:57.039 --> 00:26:02.680 huge success for Universe. So in the thirties, Yeah, yeah, 379 00:26:02.799 --> 00:26:06.599 a Phantom of the Opera. I mean they're so yeah, it just goes 380 00:26:06.920 --> 00:26:10.319 it's I love the Universal Monsters. I mean, you know, it made 381 00:26:10.359 --> 00:26:15.839 them and it really put them on the map. I think the monsters did. 382 00:26:15.000 --> 00:26:19.359 And as I said in our Patreon episode that we recorded a little bit 383 00:26:19.400 --> 00:26:25.160 earlier, for the people that subscribe to the channel, they you know, 384 00:26:25.200 --> 00:26:29.000 the Universal kind of just blew off the monsters. You know, they didn't 385 00:26:29.640 --> 00:26:33.440 really acknowledge it. When you went to Universal Studios. You never saw it 386 00:26:33.480 --> 00:26:37.759 was all you know, it was all whatever was recent. You know, 387 00:26:37.880 --> 00:26:42.160 they now it's all Harry Potter junk. But now you'll see out of the 388 00:26:42.200 --> 00:26:45.960 go see there and you'll see you know, things like that, whereas before 389 00:26:47.880 --> 00:26:52.279 they really wasn't anything that they ever really thought to embrace. So, um, 390 00:26:52.359 --> 00:26:56.200 well, a few years ago, maybe ten years ago on how long 391 00:26:56.240 --> 00:27:02.240 it was, they tried to reboot the whole their classical monster franchises and they 392 00:27:02.240 --> 00:27:07.400 did a Tom Cruise Movieum, with the Mummy, and it was not good. 393 00:27:08.359 --> 00:27:14.400 It was not and it and yeah, can you believe you that's how 394 00:27:14.440 --> 00:27:17.400 great it did. You don't even remember it that it happened. Yeah, 395 00:27:17.920 --> 00:27:19.160 it was called I think it was just the Mummy. It wasn't like the 396 00:27:19.200 --> 00:27:22.960 Brendan Frasier ones. It was yeah, no, I remember now, Yeah, 397 00:27:22.960 --> 00:27:26.960 I forgot about that. I did see that, and it was twenty 398 00:27:27.079 --> 00:27:34.079 seventeen and Russell Crowe was in it, and it was it was I don't 399 00:27:34.119 --> 00:27:37.000 like the dog other people's movies because I make movies too, and so I 400 00:27:37.039 --> 00:27:40.640 try not to be critical publicly. But it was not good. It was 401 00:27:40.680 --> 00:27:42.599 not good. It was just kind of a mess and it didn't do well. 402 00:27:42.640 --> 00:27:45.279 And that was kind of the end of it. I don't think they're 403 00:27:45.279 --> 00:27:48.039 gonna, I mean, if they do try to get that going again, 404 00:27:48.079 --> 00:27:52.119 and won't be the whatever direction they were going I think at that time. 405 00:27:52.160 --> 00:27:55.200 So, yeah, it was not great. It was weird. It was 406 00:27:55.240 --> 00:27:59.480 like it was like overly serious. I don't know, I don't know. 407 00:27:59.480 --> 00:28:03.279 It wasn't on like the like the Brendan Frasier Mummy movies that were kind of 408 00:28:03.319 --> 00:28:06.839 like you know, Indiana Jones type things. Yeah, it was set in 409 00:28:06.920 --> 00:28:11.960 modern times, and yeah it was weird. Yeah, yeah, something that 410 00:28:11.039 --> 00:28:15.400 Tom Cruise didn't touch. They didn't turn to gold and tell. Yeah, 411 00:28:15.519 --> 00:28:19.039 which normally what I would say what you will about him. He usually picks 412 00:28:19.039 --> 00:28:23.319 really good projects and there's always the screenplays are always good. Um, he's 413 00:28:23.359 --> 00:28:27.400 got a good track record. It doesn't usually make bad stuff. So yeah, 414 00:28:27.240 --> 00:28:32.599 yeah, it was a rare misfire. So what do you want to 415 00:28:32.599 --> 00:28:37.519 start with. Well, let's go into Let's go into Frankenstein. I know 416 00:28:37.559 --> 00:28:41.240 it's not the first, but but Frankenstein is the first on my list. 417 00:28:41.759 --> 00:28:48.920 So that's a director James Whale, I can't Yeah, and produced by Carl 418 00:28:48.920 --> 00:28:52.920 Amley. But yeah, James Whale, who we really we haven't talked about 419 00:28:52.960 --> 00:28:55.599 him before here we were talking about Todd Browning, but not James Whale, 420 00:28:55.920 --> 00:29:00.000 have we? I don't. We may have mentioned him in passing before, 421 00:29:00.079 --> 00:29:03.119 but no, I don't know that we've ever dove dove dove in Okay, 422 00:29:03.160 --> 00:29:07.039 Well, I mean James Whale was a I mean he directed, uh, 423 00:29:07.079 --> 00:29:10.799 he directed Frankenstein, He directed Bride of Frankenstein, he directed, he did 424 00:29:11.160 --> 00:29:17.599 like horror movies, Invisible Man, Yeah, and called the Old Dark House 425 00:29:18.359 --> 00:29:22.720 he was. Yeah, he was something else and he That film that they 426 00:29:22.720 --> 00:29:25.759 made about him was really interesting. If you ever got a chance to see 427 00:29:25.920 --> 00:29:29.799 Peanut Brendan Frasier, it was called Gods and Monsters, a really good film. 428 00:29:30.440 --> 00:29:36.720 Yeah. Ian McKellen his play plays Whale and Uh. Frasier plays a 429 00:29:36.759 --> 00:29:41.319 fictionalized Gardner character working at Wal's house and when Whale is you know, his 430 00:29:41.400 --> 00:29:48.400 career is basically over. As an old man um Uh and Whale was a 431 00:29:48.680 --> 00:29:52.960 very rare bird for his time. He was openly gay and and had a 432 00:29:53.039 --> 00:29:57.920 living companion David Lewis, who lived lived with They lived together for over twenty 433 00:29:59.000 --> 00:30:02.759 years and and it was open. Everybody knew about it, which back then 434 00:30:02.799 --> 00:30:07.960 it was almost unheard of. And David Lewis, his partner, was Irving 435 00:30:08.000 --> 00:30:12.240 Thalberg's assistant. Irving Thalberg one of my favorite people in Hollywood history, who 436 00:30:12.319 --> 00:30:18.400 was the head of production for DM for MGM and one of the early Irving 437 00:30:18.440 --> 00:30:22.559 Thalberg was a major, major, major early force in the film industry, 438 00:30:22.000 --> 00:30:26.519 and the Producer's Guild every year still gives out an Irving Thalberg Award that is 439 00:30:26.559 --> 00:30:33.000 dedicated in his honor. But David Lewis, who was James Whale's partner was 440 00:30:33.160 --> 00:30:36.680 Irving Thalberg's assistant, I mean drove around, would hang out with him at 441 00:30:36.720 --> 00:30:38.559 his house. And then James Whale was, you know, a director. 442 00:30:38.920 --> 00:30:45.279 So and then later on, after Thalberg died, a lot of people that 443 00:30:45.359 --> 00:30:49.559 had been kind of protected by Thalberg were they kind of had to find somewhere 444 00:30:49.559 --> 00:30:52.759 else to go. And David Lewis was one of those guys, I think. 445 00:30:52.240 --> 00:30:55.839 But David Lewis went on to be a producer in his own right and 446 00:30:55.960 --> 00:31:00.000 produced films I think into the sixties. So, or at least some moroblems 447 00:31:02.079 --> 00:31:06.920 so. So. James Whale died in fifty seven May twenty nine, ninety 448 00:31:07.000 --> 00:31:11.119 fifty seven, by drowning in his swimming pool. And and it was a 449 00:31:11.160 --> 00:31:15.000 suicide, it was, they said it was accidental. But shortly before his 450 00:31:15.160 --> 00:31:19.799 boyfriend died said he stumbled on a note and said that basically, you know, 451 00:31:19.839 --> 00:31:22.519 it was he didn't stumble, and he'd had it the whole time. 452 00:31:22.759 --> 00:31:26.839 He just didn't release what the note said. But I think it asked not 453 00:31:26.880 --> 00:31:30.400 to be released until he was dead or something like that. Yeah, it 454 00:31:30.440 --> 00:31:34.319 was. It was kept secret for a long time. Yeah, So it 455 00:31:34.400 --> 00:31:40.039 was funny because I was. I was watching the Academy Awards about twenty years 456 00:31:40.039 --> 00:31:47.920 ago now, and uh, and Goldie Hawn was giving out a reward or 457 00:31:48.200 --> 00:31:51.039 an award or receiving one. I think she was. I think she was 458 00:31:51.079 --> 00:31:56.079 presenting an award and the subject of Frankenstein came up, and James Whale came 459 00:31:56.160 --> 00:31:59.599 up, and she was, Oh, I've lived in his house. He 460 00:31:59.680 --> 00:32:02.960 drowned in my swimming pool, and it was yeah, it was Goldie haunting. 461 00:32:04.039 --> 00:32:07.000 Kurt Russell ended up buying James Whale's house that he drowned in. It's 462 00:32:07.039 --> 00:32:09.680 just kind of a it was this kind of a it wasn't thing something. 463 00:32:09.799 --> 00:32:13.799 Actually she didn't say he drowned in her pool, but I just but she 464 00:32:13.880 --> 00:32:15.599 did say I live in the house where he lived, and I just I 465 00:32:15.640 --> 00:32:20.799 just knew it. But it was kind Yeah. I think that the house 466 00:32:20.839 --> 00:32:22.200 is still around too. I believe too. Yeah, it's nice. It's 467 00:32:22.200 --> 00:32:27.160 in the Palisades. Yeah, but it was. It was a cool little 468 00:32:27.200 --> 00:32:30.640 house and uh, yeah, it's just I don't think they still live in 469 00:32:30.680 --> 00:32:34.799 it, but they did. Basically, what's wild with Whale is He's a 470 00:32:34.839 --> 00:32:38.519 good example of it seemed to be especially true in the early days of Hollywood. 471 00:32:38.200 --> 00:32:44.240 He was red hot for like five or six years with the Universal and 472 00:32:44.279 --> 00:32:46.920 then and then the bottom just falls out. You know, he has like 473 00:32:47.000 --> 00:32:50.960 kind of one not good film, and you know there's old saying in Hollywood 474 00:32:50.960 --> 00:32:55.160 You're only as good as the last thing you did. And it's crazy how 475 00:32:55.240 --> 00:32:59.720 fast you can kind of fall off that wagon and not be hot anymore. 476 00:33:00.279 --> 00:33:02.680 And his career was basically over by you know, uh, you know, 477 00:33:04.000 --> 00:33:07.000 by the by the forties. Uh so, yeah, it's really wild. 478 00:33:07.079 --> 00:33:10.039 And then he, I guess it had a series of love of serious health 479 00:33:10.079 --> 00:33:14.759 issues and that's what his suicide note referenced. It was just that he was 480 00:33:14.799 --> 00:33:19.559 in almost constant agony basically because all his health issues. So and only sixty 481 00:33:19.599 --> 00:33:22.160 seven years old. That's sad. It's um. Yeah, yeah. It 482 00:33:22.240 --> 00:33:28.799 was a fascinating movie, that was and it was really well done. Yeah 483 00:33:28.880 --> 00:33:32.519 yeah, I'd love to like Elsa Lanchester's character was in there, Charles Lawton 484 00:33:32.680 --> 00:33:38.039 character and it was just I you know, that whole thirties movie horror movie 485 00:33:38.039 --> 00:33:40.599 people just being normal people. It was not cool. I like that, 486 00:33:42.079 --> 00:33:45.759 right, Um. But yeah, so James. He passed away on May 487 00:33:45.799 --> 00:33:51.400 twenty ninth, nineteen fifty seven. By then he and Lewis had separated, 488 00:33:52.000 --> 00:33:57.079 and um he he dated several other young men, which is kind of what 489 00:33:57.680 --> 00:34:00.519 Brendan Fraser. I think it's kind of an amalgamation of the kind of twenty 490 00:34:00.559 --> 00:34:05.279 something, you know, young guys that were around Wale toward the end. 491 00:34:05.799 --> 00:34:09.199 I didn't realize they broke up. I didn't know that. Yeah, because 492 00:34:09.199 --> 00:34:13.719 Whale, I guess went after his career kind of created. He went to 493 00:34:13.800 --> 00:34:16.639 France for a while and came back to the US with the French waiter. 494 00:34:16.800 --> 00:34:22.320 I think that he met over there and Leis. Lewis obviously was not okay 495 00:34:22.320 --> 00:34:24.079 with that, and so that was Lewis moved out and that was kind of 496 00:34:24.079 --> 00:34:27.719 the end of it. But I think he and Lewis stayed close. I 497 00:34:27.840 --> 00:34:31.840 remained close friends for years afterwards, but yeah, we weren't together anymore. 498 00:34:34.519 --> 00:34:38.920 I also thought this was very interesting. Whale. One of his early gigs 499 00:34:39.239 --> 00:34:46.880 he worked on Hell's Angels, the Howard Hughes' film. He was Jeanjean Harlowe's 500 00:34:46.960 --> 00:34:54.320 dialogue coach. Oh interesting, and it's kind of an uncredited director because Hell's 501 00:34:54.320 --> 00:34:59.480 Angels famously was They started making it when they were still doing silent films, 502 00:35:00.000 --> 00:35:01.599 and then all of a sudden talkies became the rage, and they were still 503 00:35:01.599 --> 00:35:05.360 working on the movie and they were like, we gotta make this thing into 504 00:35:05.400 --> 00:35:08.079 a sound movie, and so they needed a guy. They suddenly they needed 505 00:35:08.119 --> 00:35:13.119 directors who had stage directing experience, which is where James Wild come from. 506 00:35:13.400 --> 00:35:16.079 He had directed plays in London and on Broadway. So he came in as 507 00:35:16.119 --> 00:35:21.920 a quote dialogue coach to basically direct all the new scenes that they were doing 508 00:35:21.960 --> 00:35:25.119 that had dialogue in them. And so that's that was. They needed people 509 00:35:25.119 --> 00:35:30.440 that had experienced tea directing actors who were actually speaking I guess, which most 510 00:35:30.480 --> 00:35:34.519 film directors at the time didn't never had to deal with. Yeah, all 511 00:35:34.559 --> 00:35:38.320 pantomime, you know. Was he from Was he from England? Originally? 512 00:35:38.719 --> 00:35:44.280 I believe he was British? Yeah, because I wonder what kind of dialogue 513 00:35:44.280 --> 00:35:49.079 he taught. He had a good British weird British duh. Yeah at that 514 00:35:49.440 --> 00:35:52.840 actor land accent. I think it was I think it was him. I 515 00:35:52.840 --> 00:35:57.679 think he had um he had fought in World War One and had been captured 516 00:35:57.719 --> 00:36:00.639 and was ah, was it him? I think it had been captured. 517 00:36:00.639 --> 00:36:05.000 It had been a pow for a number of years or for whatever cover time 518 00:36:05.800 --> 00:36:09.960 during World War one broke World War one broke out in August nighty fourteen had 519 00:36:10.000 --> 00:36:15.719 little interest in politics, realizing since it stationed in Bristol. Subsequently commissioned second 520 00:36:15.719 --> 00:36:21.280 lieutenant in Worcestershire. Taken prisoner of war in battle at the Western Front in 521 00:36:21.360 --> 00:36:27.559 Flanders in nineteen seventeen. It was held at the Officers camp and he stayed 522 00:36:27.559 --> 00:36:30.679 there until the end of the war, like a little over a year, 523 00:36:30.239 --> 00:36:34.920 huh. And it was while he was a pow that he became interested in 524 00:36:35.000 --> 00:36:37.840 drama because they, you know, the POWs to pass the time would do, 525 00:36:37.960 --> 00:36:40.559 you know, stage productions and stuff. And I think that's where he 526 00:36:40.639 --> 00:36:47.159 discovered that he liked to do that, and that started his career. And 527 00:36:47.239 --> 00:36:52.280 I think Carl Lamley wanted Whale right away. Didn't need to do the to 528 00:36:52.400 --> 00:36:57.360 do the directing for for for the horror movies. I'm pretty sure that Lamley 529 00:36:57.480 --> 00:37:01.199 is the one ninety thirty one Universal Chief Carl Emilely offered Whale his choice of 530 00:37:01.320 --> 00:37:07.639 any property, so and Whale chose Frankenstein. So um, interesting but but 531 00:37:08.000 --> 00:37:10.519 great. And it was ninety thirty one. It was made those movies. 532 00:37:10.559 --> 00:37:14.119 I was watching we I think you watched him too. I watched Dracula, 533 00:37:14.199 --> 00:37:16.199 watched Frankenstein. I watched Fanom of the Opera. It was like hour ten 534 00:37:16.280 --> 00:37:19.920 minutes, hour long. You know. It was like, yeah, they're 535 00:37:19.960 --> 00:37:23.039 they're so short. They're like seventy minutes, seventy five minutes. I love 536 00:37:23.039 --> 00:37:27.159 it. Yeah. I went to see that James Bond movie. It was 537 00:37:27.159 --> 00:37:30.639 like almost it was two hours forty minutes. That new James Bond movie was 538 00:37:30.639 --> 00:37:31.599 like, oh my god. I'm not gonna say it was bored, but 539 00:37:31.639 --> 00:37:34.800 it's like, oh my god, you could say a lot in a lot 540 00:37:34.880 --> 00:37:39.039 less time, you know, right, and they did bag well. You 541 00:37:39.039 --> 00:37:42.639 know, film was expensive, so you want to keep it short back then 542 00:37:42.639 --> 00:37:45.840 when you could, right. Although the Silent era there was some crazy like 543 00:37:45.880 --> 00:37:51.159 four hour long plus long epics. That's true. I've alwaysn't it wasn't that 544 00:37:51.159 --> 00:37:57.719 that original one that was done by intolerance and greed and intolerance creed. That's 545 00:37:57.760 --> 00:38:00.800 what it was. It wasn't like ten hours or something, which you want 546 00:38:00.800 --> 00:38:05.239 to talk about things going slow, a movie that's not long with no dialogue, 547 00:38:07.599 --> 00:38:12.519 you know. And also it's funny because nos Farratto is uh, you 548 00:38:12.559 --> 00:38:14.920 know, go, you know, ripping on the Dracula thing a little bit. 549 00:38:15.440 --> 00:38:16.880 Um. I found that really hard to sit here. I well, 550 00:38:16.920 --> 00:38:20.880 we've talked about that. Silent movies are a little bit rough for me. 551 00:38:21.320 --> 00:38:24.800 But if you watch nos Farratto on fast forward, it's perfect. You know, 552 00:38:24.960 --> 00:38:29.719 you could read all the cards and uh and you know I'm missing any 553 00:38:29.719 --> 00:38:31.920 of the action and it was it's great. So just watch it on fast 554 00:38:31.960 --> 00:38:37.920 forward half the time you get the movie and um, it works. Yeah. 555 00:38:37.039 --> 00:38:40.440 No, Faratto was a good movie too, but better when it's fast 556 00:38:40.440 --> 00:38:45.239 forward it in my mind. Also, what was really interesting about these if 557 00:38:45.239 --> 00:38:47.519 you're a film nerd, what was really interesting about the universal horror films was 558 00:38:47.559 --> 00:38:53.920 the influence of German expressionism on the look, the severe you know, the 559 00:38:54.880 --> 00:39:01.880 strong shadows, the severe um contrast between dark and light images on the screen. 560 00:39:02.000 --> 00:39:06.679 You know, just severe lighting, really expressionistic and interesting. Guy. 561 00:39:06.760 --> 00:39:08.440 I mean, if you want like a more modern example, you know, 562 00:39:08.480 --> 00:39:14.519 early Tim Burton, stuff like Tim Burton's Batman movies for a good example of 563 00:39:14.559 --> 00:39:21.079 that. Just really wild shapes and yeah, contrasting and moody and well, 564 00:39:21.119 --> 00:39:23.079 I mean really well done. Because you know that a lot of it was 565 00:39:23.159 --> 00:39:28.280 Matt, you know, the background were Matt. But but considering the time 566 00:39:28.320 --> 00:39:30.920 period they did it in, I mean there's something I noticed, like, 567 00:39:30.199 --> 00:39:32.800 Wow, these sets, you know, everything is really good at Granted, 568 00:39:32.920 --> 00:39:36.239 you know, black and white is an art form because of the lighting, 569 00:39:36.239 --> 00:39:39.559 et cetera, and you have to say so much more with less information as 570 00:39:39.599 --> 00:39:43.679 far as color goes, because you know, it doesn't translate as well. 571 00:39:43.880 --> 00:39:50.119 And I was really, you do have an appreciation for the artistry for something 572 00:39:50.159 --> 00:39:53.840 like that, because it is they were stunning movies, practical in camera effects 573 00:39:53.840 --> 00:39:57.159 as they say. Yeah, you know. One thing that I was speaking 574 00:39:57.159 --> 00:39:59.599 of that one thing that jumped out to me was I watched The Pride of 575 00:39:59.639 --> 00:40:02.719 Frankis nine this week and there's a scene where there's like little miniature people in 576 00:40:02.840 --> 00:40:07.280 glass jars. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. I was like, I 577 00:40:07.360 --> 00:40:10.559 don't totally know how they did that back then, because I was like nineteen 578 00:40:10.639 --> 00:40:15.199 thirty six or thirty five. I'm not I know how they did it, 579 00:40:15.199 --> 00:40:17.239 but I don't know how they did it. Like today, you could do 580 00:40:17.280 --> 00:40:20.400 it in a day. It would be easy. You just green screen it. 581 00:40:20.800 --> 00:40:22.239 Um. But I it was very it was so well done. It 582 00:40:22.360 --> 00:40:25.440 was really well done. So I don't I know how that it didn't look 583 00:40:25.800 --> 00:40:30.360 it looked very real for its time, the way they did that it was. 584 00:40:30.639 --> 00:40:34.400 I just kept watching it like it was very impressed. It was mesmerizing. 585 00:40:34.559 --> 00:40:37.280 Yeah, yeah, yeah. I also loved The Bride of Frankenstein. 586 00:40:37.880 --> 00:40:43.280 I think I liked it more than the original film because it was like fun 587 00:40:44.159 --> 00:40:47.440 Yeah, it was campy. It was campy. Um. Yeah. I 588 00:40:47.480 --> 00:40:52.199 was surprised at how campy it was actually, you know they were. It 589 00:40:52.280 --> 00:40:59.639 was a lot more lighthearted and uh yeah, less sinister. I mean, 590 00:40:59.679 --> 00:41:01.719 the guy the Frankenstein a full biologue, I mean, you know, and 591 00:41:01.840 --> 00:41:05.840 he was just, you know, within the span of like a day, 592 00:41:05.920 --> 00:41:08.679 he learned, you know, how to have conversations, and I learned how 593 00:41:08.719 --> 00:41:12.920 to smoke and all this kind of silly stuff. So it's it's funny people 594 00:41:12.960 --> 00:41:15.719 talk about camp and obviously that's part of it. But I also wonder if 595 00:41:15.760 --> 00:41:20.320 it wasn't the fact that screwball comedies took off in the early thirties, you 596 00:41:20.360 --> 00:41:22.480 know, after after the you know, the first Frankenstein came out. I 597 00:41:22.480 --> 00:41:25.239 wonder if that didn't play some part in it, because it was kind of 598 00:41:25.280 --> 00:41:30.440 like over the top comedy a little bit. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 599 00:41:30.480 --> 00:41:34.880 you're right, it was. It was broad some of it. Yeah, 600 00:41:34.920 --> 00:41:37.440 and uh and it's funny, I thought when I thought about it, like 601 00:41:37.559 --> 00:41:43.440 Young Frankenstein, the film, the mel Brooks film is much more Bride of 602 00:41:43.519 --> 00:41:49.400 Frankenstein than the Frankenstein and the original film, you know. And uh it 603 00:41:49.519 --> 00:41:52.719 was. And you know, another one was The Rocky Horror Picture Show. 604 00:41:53.079 --> 00:41:58.599 You know, that's that's the Frankenstein story basically, and uh and and it's 605 00:41:58.639 --> 00:42:01.719 more Bride than it is frank Frankenstein was a serious movie. It was a 606 00:42:01.760 --> 00:42:06.360 horrifying movie. And Bride, you know, it was a bit it was 607 00:42:06.400 --> 00:42:08.599 a bit more. It was like probably the first sequel they ever did, 608 00:42:09.159 --> 00:42:13.920 you know. And uh yeah, it's almost like what they did with Gremlins 609 00:42:13.960 --> 00:42:15.599 too. They just went for it on the second movie, you know what 610 00:42:15.639 --> 00:42:21.440 I mean, like, let's just have fun and any crazy crazy stuff with 611 00:42:21.519 --> 00:42:23.480 it. Yeah. So um okay. So it was based on the novel 612 00:42:23.559 --> 00:42:28.159 by by Mary Shelley and Mary Shelley. It was. It was interesting in 613 00:42:28.239 --> 00:42:31.920 the credits they built her as missus Percy Shelley, not Mary Shelley, so 614 00:42:32.000 --> 00:42:37.320 it was she went by her husband's name. She was married to Percy the 615 00:42:37.320 --> 00:42:44.320 philosopher and the poet. Um and he um he died of a he was 616 00:42:44.400 --> 00:42:49.119 he was like drowned in a and a and a ship and accident as a 617 00:42:49.159 --> 00:42:53.519 good body washed up like ten days later and uh and like rome or something 618 00:42:53.960 --> 00:42:59.840 and uh and they ended up cremating him there, but his heart didn't burn, 619 00:43:00.679 --> 00:43:04.559 so they left his body in Italy, I believe is where he washed 620 00:43:04.639 --> 00:43:10.599 up and gave his heart to Mary Shelley. They said it was causel fight 621 00:43:10.679 --> 00:43:15.119 or something like that. So Mary Shelley's buried in Bournemouth in England with her 622 00:43:15.199 --> 00:43:21.880 husband's heart just as hard because they it's interesting because she was so you know, 623 00:43:22.440 --> 00:43:25.039 you know, Frankenstein came out of this woman's brain. You know, 624 00:43:25.119 --> 00:43:30.760 she's clearly thinking pretty in a pretty bizarre, you know manner. So so 625 00:43:31.000 --> 00:43:35.760 then she died in an eighteen fifty one of a brain tumor. But uh, 626 00:43:36.079 --> 00:43:37.480 it's just it's interesting. And they didn't even give her her name when 627 00:43:37.519 --> 00:43:40.159 she you know, when in the movie it is missus, you know, 628 00:43:40.239 --> 00:43:45.320 Percy B. Shelley, not Mary Shelley. Just fascinanding for that time period 629 00:43:45.559 --> 00:43:49.920 we're talking about Frankenstein. You want to talk about Boris Karloff. Yeah, 630 00:43:50.119 --> 00:43:52.079 yea, yeah, not a single line at dialogue, just a lot of 631 00:43:52.119 --> 00:43:55.400 grunts and a lot of couldn't even tell, you know, couldn't even know 632 00:43:55.440 --> 00:43:59.920 it was who I was. Didn't even get a credit, did he, 633 00:44:00.360 --> 00:44:02.320 Yeah, it said it's just in the opening credits. It just says the 634 00:44:02.360 --> 00:44:06.559 monster and with a question mark next to it, whereas, of course all 635 00:44:06.559 --> 00:44:09.320 the other actors were credited next to their names their character names. UM and 636 00:44:09.360 --> 00:44:13.880 then. I also thought it was interesting that in the Bride of Frankenstein four 637 00:44:13.960 --> 00:44:17.960 years later, UM, they credited the monsters just Karloff's last name only, 638 00:44:19.360 --> 00:44:22.400 and then for the for the monster's mate, they did the same thing with 639 00:44:22.440 --> 00:44:30.719 the question mark. They didn't give Elsa um Leanchester a credit, I think. 640 00:44:30.760 --> 00:44:34.119 Oh, but she did get one because she played Mary Shelley at the 641 00:44:34.159 --> 00:44:38.880 beginning. I totally yeah, she was. It was her and Percy, 642 00:44:39.000 --> 00:44:43.400 her husband, and someone else sitting around in a parlor and she was doing 643 00:44:43.440 --> 00:44:45.440 needle point or something and talking about, you know, come on, you 644 00:44:45.480 --> 00:44:49.679 know, Mary, You've got some story or you know, and then she 645 00:44:49.719 --> 00:44:52.719 goes into the bride. They goes into it, and they did this weird 646 00:44:52.880 --> 00:44:55.159 UM and they did a weird like recap kind of like what today would be 647 00:44:55.159 --> 00:44:59.199 like, you know, in the last episode, just to catch audience. 648 00:44:59.440 --> 00:45:01.599 Yeah, in the first movie, just in case he didn't see the first 649 00:45:01.639 --> 00:45:05.199 movie, you'd know what was going on kind of deal. Yeah, it 650 00:45:05.280 --> 00:45:08.039 was really funny. Yeah. I think it was five years from the original 651 00:45:08.079 --> 00:45:13.960 one that they did, uh. I believe it was Frankenstein Briden. Frankenstein 652 00:45:14.119 --> 00:45:17.159 was done in thirty five, so for one was the original. So it's 653 00:45:17.159 --> 00:45:20.360 about it for you. And they still had I think they still had the 654 00:45:20.400 --> 00:45:23.199 original props laying around, so they were still able to use the sets from 655 00:45:24.159 --> 00:45:30.119 that. And speaking of Karlov, his apparently each of one of his shoes 656 00:45:30.280 --> 00:45:32.320 for Frankenstein's monsters, I think they had like four inch souls on him, 657 00:45:32.719 --> 00:45:37.920 each one. I think weighed like eleven pounds and it took him hours and 658 00:45:38.039 --> 00:45:42.199 hours and hours to get into makeup. And I think he ended up later 659 00:45:42.280 --> 00:45:45.719 in his career being a real advocate. You know, we talked earlier about, 660 00:45:45.800 --> 00:45:49.960 you know, on the set and how Cruise retreated and stuff. I 661 00:45:50.000 --> 00:45:52.559 think he became an advocate later on for you know, hours because he had 662 00:45:52.559 --> 00:45:58.559 to spend so many hours in makeup to get all that stuff put on him, 663 00:45:58.599 --> 00:46:00.440 and it was just like it was a lot to ask of a person. 664 00:46:00.480 --> 00:46:04.159 I think it's what it came down to. So he kind of became 665 00:46:04.199 --> 00:46:07.559 an act advocate for actors rights in time, how much time they spend on 666 00:46:07.679 --> 00:46:12.119 sets and how you know you go through six seven hours of makeup before you 667 00:46:12.199 --> 00:46:16.719 even start acting. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So it's interesting 668 00:46:16.800 --> 00:46:20.239 he got he became famous for not having a single line. Of course. 669 00:46:20.599 --> 00:46:23.199 You know when Briden Frankenstein came about, he had complete you know, dialogue. 670 00:46:23.199 --> 00:46:27.119 I mean he learned that in a day. You know, he could 671 00:46:27.159 --> 00:46:30.719 talk about everything, wife, smoke, you know. And what's really what 672 00:46:30.880 --> 00:46:34.639 I find ironic is that, uh, you know, we're gonna talk about 673 00:46:34.679 --> 00:46:37.679 Bella Legosi in a bit. You know, Bella Legosi had the thick Hungarian 674 00:46:37.760 --> 00:46:43.280 accent, which actually kept him from getting a lot of roles, other roles 675 00:46:43.280 --> 00:46:45.280 in his career because he was a lot of times he was difficult to understand 676 00:46:45.400 --> 00:46:52.079 his English. And and yet he gets all the speaking parts with the Dracula 677 00:46:52.199 --> 00:46:57.079 character, and Boris Karloff, who's British and has excellent addiction, gets a 678 00:46:57.159 --> 00:47:01.039 monster that doesn't talk. Yeah, those of odd. It is funny, 679 00:47:01.519 --> 00:47:06.079 and I don't know how realistic that rivalry was between the two of them. 680 00:47:06.199 --> 00:47:08.000 You know, I think that Battle wanted more parts. I think they say 681 00:47:08.079 --> 00:47:15.559 bettele was u was offered or refused. It was refused m Frankenstein. Um, 682 00:47:17.119 --> 00:47:22.000 I think that's what it was. That Bettle of the ghosts he claimed 683 00:47:22.039 --> 00:47:28.280 he had had was offered to it. But but yeah, Battle of the 684 00:47:28.320 --> 00:47:31.639 Ghostie. But they say that Betta and Boris Carlov had a feud because they're 685 00:47:31.639 --> 00:47:37.920 both you know, horror film stars. But the universal Frankenstein and Dracula came 686 00:47:37.960 --> 00:47:40.360 out the same year, so yeah, you can kind of see how where 687 00:47:40.400 --> 00:47:45.000 it come from. And I guess they got along more or less, uh 688 00:47:45.239 --> 00:47:47.159 okay, at least for a time. I don't know. But you know, 689 00:47:47.639 --> 00:47:52.559 Carlov ended up having a far better career in the long run than Legos 690 00:47:52.639 --> 00:47:54.639 he did. I think, yes, certainly. Yeah. And and there 691 00:47:54.760 --> 00:47:59.719 was the way it was represented in in the movie ed Wood was quite funny. 692 00:48:00.280 --> 00:48:05.920 The way that he referred to you know, Karloff, that cocksucker was 693 00:48:07.280 --> 00:48:08.800 there. It was pretty funny. I love that. But yeah, so 694 00:48:08.960 --> 00:48:14.000 Carlopp good on him. So he he and Bella were you know, we're 695 00:48:14.280 --> 00:48:16.559 sort of neck and neck. He was into Walking Dead in thirty six. 696 00:48:16.679 --> 00:48:21.400 He was in The Invisible Ray in thirty six. He ended up both of 697 00:48:21.480 --> 00:48:24.440 them ended up doing like spoofy Abbot and Costello movies. You know, I 698 00:48:24.880 --> 00:48:30.599 just I'll meet Frankenstein, which is a connection to the murder of Robert Leaves. 699 00:48:30.719 --> 00:48:34.800 You know that got the little screenwriter that got murdered in Hollywood, got 700 00:48:34.840 --> 00:48:37.840 his head cut off by the hustler. Um, he was a screenwriter for 701 00:48:38.159 --> 00:48:44.519 Abant. Costello Meet Frankenstein. Yeah, and um and Legosti and Carlo were 702 00:48:44.559 --> 00:48:49.920 both together in Son of Frankenstein, right, I think so yeah both I 703 00:48:50.000 --> 00:48:57.239 think so yeah. Yeah, they let's put him together. There's so many 704 00:48:57.280 --> 00:49:01.239 of those those outrageous you know comedy. After a while, they just didn't 705 00:49:01.280 --> 00:49:05.360 care. You know, They're like, put the Wolfman in there. You 706 00:49:05.480 --> 00:49:07.960 know, it was a teenage wolf man, you know, do that. 707 00:49:08.360 --> 00:49:13.400 Um, you know Godzilla versus Frankenstein. Yeah, do that, and um, 708 00:49:13.880 --> 00:49:15.679 it just didn't matter. After a while. They just went and did 709 00:49:15.719 --> 00:49:21.159 their thing. And then he went on to have quite a success in as 710 00:49:21.199 --> 00:49:27.159 a voice actor too. Yeah. Yeah, The Grinch still Christmas and uh. 711 00:49:27.599 --> 00:49:30.480 He ended up doing a lot of silly movies too. He wasn't the 712 00:49:30.519 --> 00:49:36.079 Ghost Indivisible Bikini where he had his character name was like the Ghoul or something 713 00:49:36.199 --> 00:49:38.679 like that. And it's interesting because we talked about in the Patreon episode Tommy 714 00:49:38.760 --> 00:49:42.920 Kirk, the Disney Kid was in that movie as well, the one had 715 00:49:42.960 --> 00:49:46.519 just died not that long ago. But um grinstall Christmas. Yeah, he 716 00:49:46.639 --> 00:49:51.119 was, he was. He was here. Throw Ravens. Yeah, throw 717 00:49:51.239 --> 00:49:53.000 Ravens. Croff sang the song. He was the guy who was Tony the 718 00:49:53.079 --> 00:49:59.440 Tiger, which is which is the great? Yeah throw throw Ravens Croft. 719 00:50:00.000 --> 00:50:05.320 I think he was Captain Crunch too. I love that. But yeah, 720 00:50:05.480 --> 00:50:07.280 he was doing some kind of silly movies towards the and you know, beach 721 00:50:07.400 --> 00:50:12.199 movies because a lot of them were remember that Buster Keaton, he was doing 722 00:50:12.280 --> 00:50:15.320 him too, beach movies, you know, just kind of trash throwaway, 723 00:50:15.400 --> 00:50:20.760 I got a week to kill movies. But anyway, he ended up Boris 724 00:50:20.800 --> 00:50:24.480 Carlof ended up passing away in sixty nine February of sixty nine. He was 725 00:50:24.679 --> 00:50:30.159 eighty one, and he apparently was a heavy smoker and he only had like 726 00:50:30.280 --> 00:50:35.800 half of a functioning lung yet left at the end, and so he got 727 00:50:35.880 --> 00:50:38.599 heat and died from pneumonia. Basically, okay, when you have half of 728 00:50:38.639 --> 00:50:43.480 a functioning lung, you don't want to get pneumonia. And that was no, 729 00:50:44.000 --> 00:50:46.880 no, yeah, he's so he was cremated and he's his ashes, 730 00:50:47.039 --> 00:50:50.920 well, there are certainly there's a plaque for him at the Actors Church in 731 00:50:51.000 --> 00:50:54.480 London and Covent Garden, and I think that that's where his ashes are in 732 00:50:54.519 --> 00:50:58.320 a wall, because there's a wall outside. But there's also a bench with 733 00:50:58.480 --> 00:51:01.840 his name on it. So so, but that's where his creamines are in 734 00:51:02.039 --> 00:51:07.960 the Actor's Church in Covent Garden in London. And he was eighty eighty one 735 00:51:07.079 --> 00:51:12.760 years old. But it's interesting we're talking about just a second ago. Richard 736 00:51:12.760 --> 00:51:15.480 O'Brian. I wrote a book about the Rocky Horror Picture Show several years ago. 737 00:51:15.519 --> 00:51:17.440 I interviewed, you know, most everyone that was involved with him, 738 00:51:17.719 --> 00:51:23.199 and Richard O'Brien, who wrote the basically the story, you know, made 739 00:51:23.239 --> 00:51:29.159 it. Of course, his own was sued for by a woman who claims 740 00:51:29.199 --> 00:51:32.159 that he stole her idea of I don't know, a transvestite that comes from 741 00:51:32.199 --> 00:51:37.000 outer space and you know, I guess, but she sued him, and 742 00:51:37.760 --> 00:51:39.440 he ended up not having to go to court because it's like, well, 743 00:51:39.480 --> 00:51:44.320 we both ripped off Mary Shelley. You get you know, if you if 744 00:51:44.320 --> 00:51:46.719 you wrote the story, we both owe you know, owe our careers to 745 00:51:46.840 --> 00:51:51.920 Mary Shelley. So what are you even saying? But but yeah, I 746 00:51:51.960 --> 00:51:53.119 thought that was it was a clever way to put it, because I never 747 00:51:53.239 --> 00:51:57.280 really thought of it that way. But there was some sort of um, 748 00:51:57.920 --> 00:52:00.800 you know, providence or or you know, how you can get away with 749 00:52:00.840 --> 00:52:05.920 a lot of stuff with like we talked about about Elf, you know, 750 00:52:05.960 --> 00:52:07.840 how they did the rank and bass stuff. It wasn't even just it was 751 00:52:07.920 --> 00:52:12.320 just straight up, here are your props. You're basically remaking the props. 752 00:52:13.320 --> 00:52:16.000 H And that's what they were doing. So that's interesting. Interesting, But 753 00:52:16.039 --> 00:52:20.280 I guess Frankenstein's probably public domain now anyway then not. Yeah, that's and 754 00:52:20.360 --> 00:52:22.800 that's and that's I think why a lot of those why they went back and 755 00:52:22.960 --> 00:52:28.719 dove dove into those books from the eighteen hundreds because they were they were public 756 00:52:28.800 --> 00:52:31.079 domain and you didn't have there was no one to pay for the right. 757 00:52:31.199 --> 00:52:35.760 Yeah. Yeah, um, I mean Disney kind of did the same thing 758 00:52:35.840 --> 00:52:39.480 with some of their early movies similar situations. Oh yeah, like doing like 759 00:52:39.519 --> 00:52:44.360 old fairytale stuff. Well, since we're talking about Frankenstein, might as well 760 00:52:44.400 --> 00:52:50.000 mentioned Elsa Lanchester, right sure, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. 761 00:52:50.559 --> 00:52:54.400 So she was the bride and in Bride of Frankenstein. Um, I 762 00:52:54.480 --> 00:52:58.559 thought she was great in it. I also I have to mention she is 763 00:52:58.599 --> 00:53:01.239 in my favorite Christmas movie that I mentioned. It seems like every other episode 764 00:53:01.719 --> 00:53:07.320 she was the housekeeper and the bishop's wife with David and Lauretta Young and Carrie 765 00:53:07.400 --> 00:53:13.800 Grant. Yep, it's sizable, you know, a fascinating lady. I 766 00:53:13.920 --> 00:53:16.840 know, I love her because she the choices she made, you know, 767 00:53:17.000 --> 00:53:21.239 granted maybe she didn't have a lot of choices, and she you know, 768 00:53:21.320 --> 00:53:24.880 she ended up taking a lot of horror movie roles after after the Bride Franklin, 769 00:53:25.000 --> 00:53:29.719 that's clearly not but she was. She played housekeeper roles too. You 770 00:53:29.800 --> 00:53:34.559 know. It's another one of those British you know, sturdy uh women you 771 00:53:34.639 --> 00:53:36.719 know, for lack of a better term, well it's the only term I 772 00:53:36.760 --> 00:53:39.559 could think of that were often cash She was a Mary Poppins as as a 773 00:53:39.639 --> 00:53:45.199 housekeeper and housekeeper. Yeah, well, you know, it's like the butler 774 00:53:45.280 --> 00:53:49.320 thing. You know, it's it's just that they're British and you know, 775 00:53:50.400 --> 00:53:53.400 stick in the kitchen. But uh, but yeah, so and she and 776 00:53:53.639 --> 00:53:59.639 she was married to Charles Lawton, who famously played the hunchback of Notre Dunk 777 00:54:00.039 --> 00:54:05.039 Does Your Dame? And uh and yeah, and so I was in I 778 00:54:05.119 --> 00:54:09.000 think ninety twenty seven that that was made well or was he in he was 779 00:54:09.039 --> 00:54:12.880 even the nineteen thirty nine version, or is in the thirty nine No, 780 00:54:12.960 --> 00:54:15.960 you're right, you're right, it's um thirty nine. He played Quasimodo. 781 00:54:15.039 --> 00:54:20.119 It was twenty seven. Was the first time it was done, the silent 782 00:54:20.239 --> 00:54:25.920 version. Apparently. Elsa and Charles Lawton were in twelve films together that many 783 00:54:27.000 --> 00:54:34.079 eh okay and also um Latton is also famous for he basically helped launch the 784 00:54:34.159 --> 00:54:40.880 career of Marine O'Hara he um he I guess because she was in a Hitchcock 785 00:54:42.159 --> 00:54:46.199 film, I think Jamaica in and Latton was impressed by her. And basically 786 00:54:46.280 --> 00:54:52.840 when Lawton came over to to do the Hunchback, he kind of insisted that 787 00:54:52.000 --> 00:54:57.199 they cast Marine O'Hara, who was like eighteen or nineteen as as Maeralda. 788 00:54:57.320 --> 00:55:00.960 And that's that was it. The rest of his history here. Stardom took 789 00:55:00.960 --> 00:55:05.800 off from there. That's that. Yeah, I like Charles Lawton's a fascinating 790 00:55:05.880 --> 00:55:09.480 character he was. And uh, and my god, The Night of the 791 00:55:09.599 --> 00:55:17.639 Hunter. You know, that movie is probably the most visually insane movie ever 792 00:55:17.880 --> 00:55:23.599 made. It's the only movie I think he ever directed. I believe he 793 00:55:23.760 --> 00:55:28.880 was and he was sort of laughed out of the theater when it was kind 794 00:55:28.920 --> 00:55:31.559 of overlooked when it came out. Now it's considered a total classic. Yeah, 795 00:55:31.599 --> 00:55:35.000 it was a disaster. I think as far as long as as long 796 00:55:35.039 --> 00:55:38.320 as he lived, it was a disastrous movie. But oh my god, 797 00:55:38.360 --> 00:55:44.360 it's so scary as hell. It is a really good movie. And it 798 00:55:44.559 --> 00:55:49.880 looks amazing. You know, it looks like Tim Burton's probably borrowed a lot 799 00:55:49.960 --> 00:55:53.679 of that too, because but it's all live action. But the imagery those 800 00:55:53.719 --> 00:55:58.360 little kids running away from that sinister preacher. And oh, that was a 801 00:55:58.559 --> 00:56:01.159 good movie. That's scary as hell movie. That thing. Did we talk 802 00:56:01.199 --> 00:56:04.760 about this before, Yeah, we did with with the Prosiety Adventure episode. 803 00:56:04.760 --> 00:56:07.840 We're talking about Shelley Winters in the movie how he know She's killed and she's 804 00:56:07.880 --> 00:56:12.320 at the bottom of the lake in a car tied up and then they showed 805 00:56:12.320 --> 00:56:14.800 her at the bottom of the lake with the with the seaweed and her hair. 806 00:56:15.000 --> 00:56:17.119 Oh man, it was and then you see a fish fishook go by. 807 00:56:20.400 --> 00:56:22.880 It was insane. That was a great movie. But um, anyway 808 00:56:23.000 --> 00:56:27.400 back, so that was Charles Lawton, but he also Lanchester, and he 809 00:56:27.599 --> 00:56:31.000 had an acting school in Hollywood and they taught Marilyn Monroe. Marilyn Monroe took 810 00:56:31.159 --> 00:56:35.119 acting lessons. Oh wow, I did not know that. This is kind 811 00:56:35.159 --> 00:56:38.119 of interesting. Yeah. They they their house was right off of where that 812 00:56:38.840 --> 00:56:44.360 old abandoned house was off Sierra Benita where the James Dean houses. That that 813 00:56:44.719 --> 00:56:47.480 just across that park. Um is where their house was. But anyway, 814 00:56:49.000 --> 00:56:55.039 yeah, well uh. Also Lanchester passed away on January fifth, nineteen eighty 815 00:56:55.119 --> 00:57:00.320 seven. She was eighty four, and Charles and her husband had passed away 816 00:57:00.360 --> 00:57:05.599 two decades earlier. He died December fifteenth, nineteen sixty two. He was 817 00:57:05.639 --> 00:57:09.880 only sixty three. He died from renal cancer. There was a story that 818 00:57:10.039 --> 00:57:16.559 came out on him with with Well, Scottie Bowers wrote that book Full Service 819 00:57:16.719 --> 00:57:20.199 is really trashy book. He kind he said he was like a pimp, 820 00:57:21.960 --> 00:57:25.320 what he said about Charles Lawton. It was it was insane. It was 821 00:57:25.400 --> 00:57:31.360 stuff about you know, like Ntella. I'll leave it at that stuff. 822 00:57:34.960 --> 00:57:37.719 But she, you know, he was famously he was gay, and she 823 00:57:38.079 --> 00:57:43.000 found out about it. Apparently the story is, or the legend is that, 824 00:57:43.440 --> 00:57:46.000 uh, they she caught, she walked home, she came home and 825 00:57:46.039 --> 00:57:51.920 found him on a sofa with a young man, and she threw the sofa 826 00:57:51.960 --> 00:57:54.679 out the window. I never spoke about it again. That's that's the legend 827 00:57:55.679 --> 00:58:01.320 now there. I think she wrote an autobiography and mentions it there about his 828 00:58:01.440 --> 00:58:06.519 homosexuality. So well. I read and I read some that she she tried 829 00:58:06.559 --> 00:58:08.039 in her books. She tried to blame the fact that she never had kids 830 00:58:08.199 --> 00:58:13.000 on the fact that he was gay, but then other people that were close 831 00:58:13.079 --> 00:58:15.719 with him said, no, he was actually by and the reason that she 832 00:58:15.840 --> 00:58:20.519 didn't have kids was either because she didn't want to or because of medical issues 833 00:58:20.920 --> 00:58:23.400 that she had. So I don't know what the real issue was. But 834 00:58:24.079 --> 00:58:30.280 yeah, there's an interesting marriage for sure, and she had and I loved 835 00:58:30.280 --> 00:58:32.480 that her choices though she you know, at she did the movie, Um, 836 00:58:34.000 --> 00:58:37.039 she's an amazing episode of The Night Gallery that Rod Serling Show where she 837 00:58:37.360 --> 00:58:42.920 you know, with green literally like fingers that were plants, and Willard she 838 00:58:43.079 --> 00:58:49.119 played the crazy uh a mother and Willard Um the rap movie. I love 839 00:58:49.199 --> 00:58:51.800 that. She was a murder by Death which if you haven't seen Murder by 840 00:58:51.840 --> 00:58:57.639 Death that was made in seventy six and it has all these uh old you 841 00:58:57.719 --> 00:59:01.960 know now like Maggie Smith and David Niven play hum old type. Peter Laurie 842 00:59:02.000 --> 00:59:07.159 played Sam Spade, I mean Peter um, Peter Falk played Sam Spade, 843 00:59:07.679 --> 00:59:12.800 and um Charlie Chan was played by Peter Sellers, all these you know. 844 00:59:13.000 --> 00:59:15.079 She played um miss Marple. I think it was I think it was like 845 00:59:15.159 --> 00:59:17.760 a nagg of the Christy thing too. Anyway, it was a great movie, 846 00:59:17.800 --> 00:59:22.000 this very very funny movie, true mca Pody, Nancy Walker, one 847 00:59:22.039 --> 00:59:27.239 of those all star casts. Anyway, the point that I think you probably 848 00:59:27.320 --> 00:59:32.280 just delete all that shit. What I found what was interesting This was something 849 00:59:32.400 --> 00:59:40.760 I found about Elsa Lanchester and her hair in Brida Frankenston, the famous hostess 850 00:59:40.800 --> 00:59:45.400 Cupcake too, you know, yeah yeah, And I found a couple of 851 00:59:45.719 --> 00:59:59.519 quotes about it and she said ship Alexa, stop Alexa. I found a 852 00:59:59.559 --> 01:00:08.360 couple of stop Alexa no stop. She Uh. I found a couple of 853 01:00:08.480 --> 01:00:14.960 quotes about her and her hair, and she said it was accomplished by combing 854 01:00:15.000 --> 01:00:21.159 it over a wire mesh cage. And she said it was it was extremely 855 01:00:21.280 --> 01:00:24.440 painful, and her eyes were kept taped wide open for the long takes. 856 01:00:24.960 --> 01:00:28.519 I always assumed it was a wig. Why would they do that to her 857 01:00:28.559 --> 01:00:31.239 real hair? Well, I would imagine it was hair pieces, but it 858 01:00:31.360 --> 01:00:34.519 was like you know, it was, but it was all it was a 859 01:00:34.679 --> 01:00:38.079 It was a cage basically together. Yeah, yeah, yeah wow. But 860 01:00:38.199 --> 01:00:42.000 she said, the most memorable thing I did in that film, I believe 861 01:00:42.199 --> 01:00:45.039 was my screaming. In all my movies since I've been called upon to scream, 862 01:00:45.320 --> 01:00:47.719 I don't know if it's by chance, but I'd like to think that 863 01:00:47.920 --> 01:00:53.639 I'm not hired for that talent alone. And she says it annoys me when 864 01:00:53.760 --> 01:00:59.400 mothers dragged their poor DearS to me and demand the children say something to Frankenstein's 865 01:00:59.440 --> 01:01:02.599 bride. Can you imagine an actress being overexposed by a picture she meet forty 866 01:01:02.719 --> 01:01:07.800 years ago? Okay, some people would would would kill for that and uh 867 01:01:08.000 --> 01:01:13.000 and literally kill for that. And on her marriage to Charles Lawton she said, 868 01:01:13.039 --> 01:01:15.400 we both needed other company. I met his young man. This is 869 01:01:15.480 --> 01:01:19.920 something I guess, she said. So I met her, I met his 870 01:01:20.039 --> 01:01:22.760 young men, and I had a young man around that. Charles didn't even 871 01:01:23.039 --> 01:01:29.480 argue about interesting. Apparently it was well known to them both. Eventually, 872 01:01:29.559 --> 01:01:32.400 you know you're just gonna whatever, or you know that's that's I guess, 873 01:01:34.039 --> 01:01:38.280 but um, but yeah, she's the back to Charles, Lawton said, 874 01:01:38.280 --> 01:01:42.840 I have a face that would stop a sun dial. That's funny, that's 875 01:01:42.960 --> 01:01:45.519 very funny. He did have an an odd, an odd face, that 876 01:01:45.719 --> 01:01:49.920 is for sure. Yeah. Um, so you want to move on to 877 01:01:50.039 --> 01:01:54.800 Dracula. I want. Oh sure, it's kind of interesting to talk about. 878 01:01:55.159 --> 01:01:59.400 This is something that should be and I think it relates to Dracula. 879 01:01:59.519 --> 01:02:05.480 Well, so it's a good it's a good segu Dwight Fry, who played 880 01:02:06.719 --> 01:02:14.519 who played Fritz in Frankenstein was the guy who played Renfield in Dracula. Both 881 01:02:14.639 --> 01:02:19.599 kind of sidekicks to villain lish like characters, but very very physically, very 882 01:02:19.639 --> 01:02:22.599 different performances, which is and it's in the same year he did those two 883 01:02:22.639 --> 01:02:28.559 movies Crazy he's in both. Yeah, it's very interesting. So he was 884 01:02:28.760 --> 01:02:30.960 Oh and also I'm sure we're going to get flack because we call Boris Carlo 885 01:02:31.039 --> 01:02:36.480 Frankenstein. But it's actually the Frankenstein Monster. It was doctor Frankenstein, although 886 01:02:36.480 --> 01:02:38.239 if you ever watched the movie, there is at least one instance where they 887 01:02:38.320 --> 01:02:45.679 refer to him as Frankenstein. I believe not just okay, well, but 888 01:02:45.760 --> 01:02:50.159 that is a common mistake that people make. The doctor Frankenstein is the doctor 889 01:02:50.239 --> 01:02:54.719 who created Frankenstein's monster, which is yeah monster, Yeah, but everybody just 890 01:02:54.760 --> 01:02:59.199 called it was now known as Frankenstein's. Just accept that we all call the 891 01:02:59.280 --> 01:03:04.280 monster frank Instein. Just everybody. If you look it up, Google Frankenstein. 892 01:03:04.360 --> 01:03:08.639 You're not gonna get Colin Clive. You're gonna get Boris Karlov. Right, 893 01:03:10.159 --> 01:03:15.800 you're not gonna get You're not gonna get a Colin Clive Halloween mask. 894 01:03:15.199 --> 01:03:19.559 You're gonna get a Boris Carla Halloween mask. All right, damn right, 895 01:03:20.119 --> 01:03:24.440 damn right. So so Dwight Fry He played Renfield and Dracula played Fritz and 896 01:03:24.840 --> 01:03:30.800 Frankenstein. He was also in The Invisible Man and in the Bride of Frankenstein. 897 01:03:30.400 --> 01:03:35.760 And he was never called Igor. There was never Igor was a was 898 01:03:36.000 --> 01:03:38.119 a word. I think they came out of the Shelley novel. It was 899 01:03:38.239 --> 01:03:43.639 never used ever in any of the film so, you know, it's always 900 01:03:43.639 --> 01:03:46.559 an Igor name. But that was Mary Shelley Buck, not in any movies. 901 01:03:47.119 --> 01:03:50.159 That's interesting. Yeah, I noticed they called him Fritz, and I 902 01:03:50.199 --> 01:03:52.559 thought that was odd because he seemed like the Igor type character, but they 903 01:03:52.599 --> 01:03:55.239 didn't call him. Yeah, and then then young Frankis signed its Igor. 904 01:03:55.400 --> 01:04:00.599 So why wouldn't they, Why wouldn't they Why would he changed that? I 905 01:04:00.679 --> 01:04:05.559 wonder? But apparently apparently Dwight Fry died on a bus in Hollywood. Yeah, 906 01:04:05.599 --> 01:04:09.920 I believe he was writing he had been to the movies with I think 907 01:04:10.000 --> 01:04:13.800 his son maybe or something, and they were riding a bus coming home and 908 01:04:14.039 --> 01:04:16.760 yeah, he had a heart attack. See I would I know, went 909 01:04:16.840 --> 01:04:20.280 on a deep dive looking for that and I couldn't find anything. It was. 910 01:04:20.440 --> 01:04:23.519 It said that he died in the bus, and I went through all 911 01:04:23.559 --> 01:04:27.519 the nineteen forty three papers, and it mentions that he died, you know, 912 01:04:27.599 --> 01:04:30.320 of a heart attack, but it doesn't tell you where. He doesn't 913 01:04:30.360 --> 01:04:32.920 tell you that it was on a you know, he's pronounced dad. I 914 01:04:33.079 --> 01:04:38.639 believe at the Hollywood Hospital which is now the Wilcox Police Station. That's where 915 01:04:38.840 --> 01:04:43.360 That's where it was the same place Fred Murch was pronounced Dad. Yeah, 916 01:04:43.480 --> 01:04:46.199 he was only forty four and he had a heart apparently had a heart condition 917 01:04:47.239 --> 01:04:49.880 and he just had a heart attack. Man. You know. And this 918 01:04:50.079 --> 01:04:55.360 is like a recurring theme and it's going to come up again in this episode. 919 01:04:55.519 --> 01:04:59.760 Is young people, especially young actors, young ish at least, you 920 01:04:59.800 --> 01:05:01.480 know, twenties, thirties, forties, who you would think, are you 921 01:05:01.519 --> 01:05:05.199 know, in fit condition, and just I think it's just the result of 922 01:05:05.280 --> 01:05:09.679 the era that they were in. Just so many like serious heart and health 923 01:05:09.760 --> 01:05:15.639 issues. Um that a lot of these actors had um that they seem I 924 01:05:15.679 --> 01:05:20.960 mean, they're probably taking mercury cocktails. And you know, the costumes there 925 01:05:21.079 --> 01:05:25.119 was, Yeah, the costumes were horrible for them to make up. I 926 01:05:25.159 --> 01:05:28.519 mean there's the of course, all the famous makeup from the Wizard of Oz, 927 01:05:29.039 --> 01:05:30.840 the incidents they had with that. But also just there was really no 928 01:05:31.039 --> 01:05:34.440 health and fitness science, at least not in the way that we know it 929 01:05:34.519 --> 01:05:40.440 today, and people just drank heavily and smoked heavily, and their bodies were 930 01:05:40.519 --> 01:05:45.400 just ripped up like they used like they aged faster because the way they lived. 931 01:05:45.840 --> 01:05:47.760 Um. And then there are also I think a lot of just there 932 01:05:47.800 --> 01:05:50.960 were a lot of like serious health conditions that aren't as big of a deal 933 01:05:51.039 --> 01:05:54.559 now that we've kind of learned to deal with that they had no answer to 934 01:05:54.639 --> 01:05:59.119 you back then too. That so yeah, and mental health issues too that 935 01:05:59.280 --> 01:06:02.679 were just you know, get over it kind of thing. Like Colin Clive. 936 01:06:02.840 --> 01:06:08.079 You know, Colin Clive was a guy that was just destroyed by you 937 01:06:08.159 --> 01:06:11.679 know, by drinking. And if we want to talk about Colin Clive, 938 01:06:12.719 --> 01:06:14.559 let's sure. Yeah, I know, I mean I don't have a lot 939 01:06:14.599 --> 01:06:18.159 of information about I really wanted to talk about him because he was he was 940 01:06:18.239 --> 01:06:21.639 kind of a fascinating character. Of course, he's doctor Frankenstein. He's famous 941 01:06:23.119 --> 01:06:26.519 for the you know, it's alive, it's alive. Uh, you know 942 01:06:26.800 --> 01:06:30.599 a famous quote when Frankenstein monster you know, comes alive. You know, 943 01:06:30.719 --> 01:06:32.159 he's talking about how he now he knows what it's like to be a god. 944 01:06:32.800 --> 01:06:35.840 Um, which is what Frankenstein's kind of all about, right man pretending 945 01:06:35.880 --> 01:06:41.119 to be God and then you know, turning backfiring on him. Um. 946 01:06:41.199 --> 01:06:45.519 So, he apparently had tuberculosis and then was a pretty bad alcoholic and it 947 01:06:45.599 --> 01:06:48.000 was what. His alcohol issues were well known. I guess he was. 948 01:06:48.239 --> 01:06:51.280 It was always passing out on set, you know, when they weren't rolling, 949 01:06:51.880 --> 01:06:54.800 And I even caught it. Saw. I don't know if this is 950 01:06:54.840 --> 01:06:57.239 true, but I saw one claim that like when they would go to do 951 01:06:57.360 --> 01:06:59.760 over the shoulder shots on him, there were times when he had to be 952 01:06:59.840 --> 01:07:04.400 held up practically to stand in the shot because he's just yeah, he's just 953 01:07:04.480 --> 01:07:11.239 a kind of a fall down drunk alcoholic unfortunately. Um and they had tuberculosis 954 01:07:11.280 --> 01:07:15.480 on top of that, so that's a bad combination. And he passed away 955 01:07:15.519 --> 01:07:17.960 in nineteen thirty seven, which was just two years after Bright of Frankenstein, 956 01:07:18.119 --> 01:07:24.440 so he was only thirty seven years old himself. And I guess Peter Laurie 957 01:07:24.559 --> 01:07:30.480 was one of his pallbearers. Yeah. I think he was at at Edar 958 01:07:30.559 --> 01:07:34.039 McKinley on Hollywood Boulevard, which is where Bala, which is where the Fritz 959 01:07:34.159 --> 01:07:38.679 guy, Um, Dwight Fry and you know Criswell and all those guys were 960 01:07:38.719 --> 01:07:43.559 all buried out of that mortuary. So here's what I I correct me if 961 01:07:43.559 --> 01:07:47.760 I'm wrong, But he was cremated at Chapel of the Pines. Oh was 962 01:07:47.960 --> 01:07:51.440 okay, Well he's okay. So I don't know where the memorial was held 963 01:07:51.480 --> 01:07:54.840 though, I mean, I don't think the memorial was held at the crematorium, 964 01:07:54.920 --> 01:07:57.840 but um so it might have been, right, I don't know. 965 01:07:58.079 --> 01:08:01.880 But what's Here's what's weird. So three hundred people show up at his funeral, 966 01:08:02.480 --> 01:08:11.360 and then he wasn't buried, he was cremated, and apparently his cremains 967 01:08:11.679 --> 01:08:16.479 sat in the basement of the crematorium for forty years, and it wasn't until 968 01:08:16.640 --> 01:08:20.680 nineteen seventy eight that they were finally like, we should do something with this 969 01:08:20.800 --> 01:08:24.840 guy, and they went scattered him at sea. But he sat there for 970 01:08:24.880 --> 01:08:29.159 over forty years. And apparently the reason that I read is, or the 971 01:08:29.199 --> 01:08:32.119 speculation is that he was married back in England before he moved to the US, 972 01:08:32.520 --> 01:08:35.359 and when he came to Hollywood, he left his wife behind and they 973 01:08:35.399 --> 01:08:39.319 I think were separated by this point, and then I think he had, 974 01:08:39.439 --> 01:08:42.159 you know, he had girlfriends or whatever out here, and so the only 975 01:08:42.239 --> 01:08:45.840 person that could legally take possession of his cremains was his wife, and they 976 01:08:45.920 --> 01:08:48.880 were separated into strange and I guess she didn't want him or didn't want to 977 01:08:48.880 --> 01:08:53.159 go through the hassle bringing him back to England or whatever, and so no 978 01:08:53.279 --> 01:08:55.800 one claimed him or could legally claim them for her, and that was it. 979 01:08:56.039 --> 01:09:00.319 And you've run into those situations when you do the headstones for people trying 980 01:09:00.359 --> 01:09:03.520 to get permission, right, yeah, so yeah, a chapel of the 981 01:09:03.560 --> 01:09:09.399 Pines that was mostly a crematorium. You know. Now they have burials or 982 01:09:09.439 --> 01:09:12.119 columbariums is when they bury ashes, you know, so they have a lot 983 01:09:12.159 --> 01:09:16.439 of that around there now. But underneath it is storage and there are thousands 984 01:09:16.520 --> 01:09:23.479 of people underneath their in boxes with names on them and to get you know, 985 01:09:23.520 --> 01:09:26.079 there are a lot of actors down there. One of the people we 986 01:09:26.159 --> 01:09:29.840 were looking for was Stephen Stucker, who played Johnny in Airplane. You know, 987 01:09:30.039 --> 01:09:31.159 I can make a broach, I can make a pterodactyl. Yeah, 988 01:09:31.399 --> 01:09:33.800 he was down there for many years too. And you have to go through 989 01:09:33.840 --> 01:09:38.279 a legal process to get them out because you have to prove there's no next 990 01:09:38.319 --> 01:09:44.039 of kin. And Sheridan there's another actress, my friend Kara McHale went through 991 01:09:44.079 --> 01:09:46.479 that whole legal process. They did find someone that was a next of kin 992 01:09:46.920 --> 01:09:51.079 to sign the paperwork to have that person removed from basically a shelf in the 993 01:09:51.159 --> 01:09:57.720 basement and then presented to this family member who then they buried or put her 994 01:09:57.760 --> 01:10:02.399 in a columbarrium in Hollywood Cemetery. So yeah, there's a long, exhausting 995 01:10:02.560 --> 01:10:06.800 process that you have to go through legally to get somebody's creamins. And I 996 01:10:06.880 --> 01:10:11.359 guess you know it's it's once you do it, if you scatter someone at 997 01:10:11.399 --> 01:10:14.800 sea, you can't undo that. So if they get it wrong, yeah, 998 01:10:14.840 --> 01:10:16.840 that's a big lawsuit, I'm sure. So they got to make sure 999 01:10:16.960 --> 01:10:20.000 that, you know, they got their eyes and crossed their teas um. 1000 01:10:20.520 --> 01:10:26.039 And apparently at the chapel of the Pines Crematorium there's a cenotaph to Colin Clive 1001 01:10:28.680 --> 01:10:30.760 that there's a marker, but he's not buried there. Yeah, yeah, 1002 01:10:31.479 --> 01:10:35.239 yeah, I mean coincidentally, coincidentally in the in the cemetery that's kind of 1003 01:10:35.319 --> 01:10:40.640 next door as I think where Todd Browning is buried, there's like a mausoleum, 1004 01:10:40.680 --> 01:10:44.880 that's right, Angelus Rosedale. Yeah, and we didn't talk about James 1005 01:10:44.960 --> 01:10:47.479 Whale, the Frankenstein I mean, yeah, Frankenstein director. He's buried at 1006 01:10:47.520 --> 01:10:55.439 Forest Lawn, Glendale. Uh. Dwight Fry, who played Renfield and Fritz. 1007 01:10:55.640 --> 01:10:59.720 He's buried at Forest Lawn, Glendale. Elsa Lanchester, who played the 1008 01:10:59.760 --> 01:11:02.960 b I, died at the Motion Picture Country Home and was scattered at sea. 1009 01:11:03.640 --> 01:11:09.159 Charles Lawton, the hunchback of Notre Dame or Notre Dame, is buried 1010 01:11:09.239 --> 01:11:13.520 full burial at Force on Hollywood Hills. So they're they're all over the place. 1011 01:11:13.720 --> 01:11:15.399 And Colin Clive scattered. You said, oh, he's in the basement, 1012 01:11:15.479 --> 01:11:17.359 but he has a cenotap. Is that what you're saying, You're still 1013 01:11:17.399 --> 01:11:23.079 in storage. No, he was. Clive was finally scattered at sea in 1014 01:11:23.119 --> 01:11:27.560 the seventies, but there's a cenotaph for him at the crematorium. Okay, 1015 01:11:28.119 --> 01:11:34.920 yeah, interesting now okay, yeah, wild right, yeah, very very 1016 01:11:35.039 --> 01:11:39.680 very I just it's amazing that three hundred people show up at his funeral and 1017 01:11:39.760 --> 01:11:42.479 then but then no one is there to take his ashes and actually bury him. 1018 01:11:42.880 --> 01:11:44.640 It's like they all were just just like, well, I guess that's 1019 01:11:44.680 --> 01:11:46.239 getting taken care of. I'll go home now. Some people, yeah, 1020 01:11:46.239 --> 01:11:49.960 I guess they just don't care. Some people just don't care. Or you 1021 01:11:50.039 --> 01:11:53.560 look, when you go to a funeral, the family is handling all of 1022 01:11:53.640 --> 01:11:55.720 that. So you don't think you're not thinking about it, I guess, 1023 01:11:56.560 --> 01:12:00.479 And yeah, I'm somebody paying for the cremation. Yeah, unless that's the 1024 01:12:00.560 --> 01:12:03.079 reason that he's there, because there's a lot of people that just haven't paid 1025 01:12:03.159 --> 01:12:06.159 the bill and they're in storage. So that might be part of it too, 1026 01:12:06.199 --> 01:12:12.720 because it was thirty seven and those people were not making a whole lot 1027 01:12:12.800 --> 01:12:16.600 of money. I think Elsa Lanchester. I looked it up. She got 1028 01:12:16.680 --> 01:12:20.800 paid for bright of Frankstein's twenty five hundred dollars. That was it. Now 1029 01:12:20.880 --> 01:12:25.800 today's money. I did a comparison. It's fifty two thousand today. But 1030 01:12:25.920 --> 01:12:30.960 that's with no royalties, no residuals, nothing, just fifty two k one, 1031 01:12:30.159 --> 01:12:32.520 you know. And that's and she's typecaster for the rest of her life. 1032 01:12:32.720 --> 01:12:35.039 And that's why a lot of interesting that's why a lot of them, 1033 01:12:35.119 --> 01:12:40.319 like Bella Legosi, could get destitute pretty fast. Yea. Even though you 1034 01:12:40.439 --> 01:12:45.159 think they're these huge stars raking in all this money, they weren't. You 1035 01:12:45.199 --> 01:12:46.720 know, if you weren't at that top top top A list level, you 1036 01:12:46.800 --> 01:12:50.199 were just making enough to live comfortably, but not enough to I guess unless 1037 01:12:50.279 --> 01:12:54.119 you were really smart with your money to save it. Up so that you 1038 01:12:54.159 --> 01:12:57.760 could survive the lean years, you know, yeah, unless you got a 1039 01:12:57.800 --> 01:13:00.079 piece of the production, you know, for sure. Yep, because um, 1040 01:13:00.319 --> 01:13:05.199 yeah Bella especially I mean having no really other careers aide from Dracula. 1041 01:13:05.479 --> 01:13:09.399 Um, you know, he couldn't look at him and Nazi Dracula. So 1042 01:13:10.520 --> 01:13:14.520 yeah, it really it ruined him. It really ruined him. So Legosi 1043 01:13:14.800 --> 01:13:17.880 was both not only ruined by being typecasted, but also just we talked about 1044 01:13:17.920 --> 01:13:23.319 this earlier. His accent and his you know, his his English wasn't always 1045 01:13:23.399 --> 01:13:26.760 very clear. It hindered his career going forward, the speaking parts he wanted 1046 01:13:26.760 --> 01:13:29.920 to get. Um. In fact, one of his later films they actually 1047 01:13:30.000 --> 01:13:35.119 dubbed over him, which was very bad for his career. And uh, 1048 01:13:35.560 --> 01:13:40.720 because he had the Hungarian accent. He had immigrated to the US through from 1049 01:13:40.800 --> 01:13:45.079 Hungary by way of I think Germany en route and kind of was run out 1050 01:13:45.119 --> 01:13:49.920 of Hungary and was married at a Hungarian woman and she they kind of fled 1051 01:13:50.000 --> 01:13:55.199 the country together because the political situation changed in the country. But then she 1052 01:13:55.319 --> 01:13:58.720 didn't want to leave her parents behind, so she they ended up divorcing and 1053 01:13:58.840 --> 01:14:01.800 she moved back to hung gree So again like so many of these stars from 1054 01:14:01.840 --> 01:14:04.560 that era. I think he was married in a multiple times over the years 1055 01:14:05.479 --> 01:14:11.279 to various people. Yeah, he, I mean he he had a lot 1056 01:14:11.359 --> 01:14:15.359 of success. I mean, he was a really wealthy man at one point, 1057 01:14:15.840 --> 01:14:17.239 right, you know, but they ended up dying in this crappy little 1058 01:14:17.279 --> 01:14:23.800 apartment building, one bedroom, you know, off of Western with parts and 1059 01:14:23.960 --> 01:14:29.520 Edward movies, you know, except that. Yeah, but his role as 1060 01:14:29.600 --> 01:14:31.840 Dracula, I I mean, go watch that movie today. It is what 1061 01:14:32.079 --> 01:14:38.960 we think of as Dracula is what he did. Like he almost like created 1062 01:14:39.000 --> 01:14:45.720 the mold of the Dracula character with the accent and the hair and makeup and 1063 01:14:45.760 --> 01:14:49.439 every I mean, it's when when kids dress up as Dracula for Halloween, 1064 01:14:49.479 --> 01:14:56.720 they're dressing up as Bello Legosi's Dracula. Basically his interpretation for sure. And 1065 01:14:56.840 --> 01:15:00.319 there was I mean some of that was pretty some of it was pretty pretty 1066 01:15:00.359 --> 01:15:01.520 laughable, you know, some of it. I mean, you know, 1067 01:15:01.640 --> 01:15:04.920 I mean I didn't want to just you know, it wasn't it wasn't even 1068 01:15:05.000 --> 01:15:08.920 just acting. It was just him staring, that's all it was. He 1069 01:15:09.119 --> 01:15:14.359 moved lighting. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's that 1070 01:15:14.439 --> 01:15:17.720 German expression as a man. Yeah, it was pretty campy. I think 1071 01:15:17.760 --> 01:15:21.159 in that regard there, it's kind of funny when he when he has this 1072 01:15:21.760 --> 01:15:26.760 that that kind of just staring for thirty seconds. You know, it's I 1073 01:15:26.920 --> 01:15:30.399 understand the intensity of it in the cinema when you shop at the very first 1074 01:15:30.439 --> 01:15:32.880 time. It's just in retrospect, when you're watching it down your television and 1075 01:15:32.920 --> 01:15:35.560 your living room, you're kind of it's a little bit of a you know, 1076 01:15:35.760 --> 01:15:40.600 snort when you see it. You know. And when we when we 1077 01:15:40.680 --> 01:15:43.079 did our Freaks episode, we mentioned that, Um, you know, Todd 1078 01:15:43.159 --> 01:15:46.319 Browning when he wanted to do Dracula, but he um, he didn't. 1079 01:15:46.399 --> 01:15:51.039 He wanted Lon Cheney to play Dracula, and that was the plan. But 1080 01:15:51.159 --> 01:15:55.920 then the year before they made Dracula, Cheney died unexpectedly. He was only 1081 01:15:55.960 --> 01:16:00.960 forty seven years old. I had a throat hemorrhage after getting a lung cancer 1082 01:16:00.920 --> 01:16:05.479 diagnosis. Um, And so Cheney, really Leghosie was not Chaney or was 1083 01:16:05.600 --> 01:16:10.600 not Todd Browning's first choice. Um, but he went with him anyways, 1084 01:16:11.039 --> 01:16:15.079 And of course, you know it became the role to define the rest of 1085 01:16:15.239 --> 01:16:18.359 Legosi's life. Yeah, and he lived it too. I mean, he 1086 01:16:18.760 --> 01:16:23.279 did that whole, you know, live in a castle kind of house thing 1087 01:16:23.800 --> 01:16:27.439 and had the big oil painting and he was very grand, and uh, 1088 01:16:28.600 --> 01:16:31.600 yeah, it was very I went to Uh I was. I worked with 1089 01:16:31.680 --> 01:16:35.840 a guy briefly in at the cemetery at Hollywood Cemetery back and when I worked 1090 01:16:35.880 --> 01:16:41.239 there for like five weeks in two thousand and five, they were Yeah, 1091 01:16:41.279 --> 01:16:44.720 they wanted me to go door to door selling funerals and it was awful. 1092 01:16:44.840 --> 01:16:49.239 It was awful. I went to their whole. Yeah, you probably heard 1093 01:16:49.279 --> 01:16:51.000 the story. So then the guy says, oh, yeah, I lived 1094 01:16:51.039 --> 01:16:55.520 in I live in Bella's old house up and outlook and uh and he says, 1095 01:16:55.640 --> 01:16:59.279 I read a biography that he he had like panthers buried in the backyard. 1096 01:16:59.359 --> 01:17:01.479 So I went out, idn't found him. It doesn't go up Bella's 1097 01:17:01.520 --> 01:17:05.239 panthers. It was in this biography. And he went out inside because yeah, 1098 01:17:05.239 --> 01:17:10.520 I found him in the backyard, actual panthers. Yeah. I think 1099 01:17:10.560 --> 01:17:14.119 it wasn't what I was either, big panthers, but but that was the 1100 01:17:14.199 --> 01:17:15.760 way they were back then. Yeah, may West had a monkey. I 1101 01:17:15.800 --> 01:17:23.159 know it's not the same thing, but uh, theda bearer I think had 1102 01:17:23.239 --> 01:17:26.479 one too. But a leopard or something like that. Right, Well, 1103 01:17:26.520 --> 01:17:31.159 I mean were Randolph ruling? Randolp Hirst had an entire zoo at yea castle? 1104 01:17:31.239 --> 01:17:34.479 So yeah, I guess that was it was. It was a flex, 1105 01:17:35.359 --> 01:17:40.600 a financial flex. I guess um I thought it was. Were you 1106 01:17:40.720 --> 01:17:45.319 speaking of well, you know Edward and everything? Um? Uh the Edward 1107 01:17:45.399 --> 01:17:48.600 film? Um, the one that Burton did, Tim Burton did. I 1108 01:17:48.720 --> 01:17:54.600 guess Legosi's family took issue with some of the creative liberties that were taken without 1109 01:17:54.640 --> 01:17:57.560 like saying that Legosi slept in a coffin, no kind of that kind of 1110 01:17:57.600 --> 01:18:00.199 stuff. Yeah, they're like, he did. I got to I get 1111 01:18:00.239 --> 01:18:02.840 a chance to talk to Martin Landau one time, who won the m playing 1112 01:18:02.920 --> 01:18:06.680 Bella. Yeah, yeah, I got him photographed my Edward post or two? 1113 01:18:06.760 --> 01:18:10.199 Did you lead Departed? But that was cool? But anyway, he 1114 01:18:10.399 --> 01:18:13.399 u I asked him about that. So did you what you know Bella Junior? 1115 01:18:13.479 --> 01:18:15.039 You obviously Bela used to say, Beila, it's not Bella, but 1116 01:18:15.079 --> 01:18:19.399 everyone says Bella. Uh you know what did he have to say about it? 1117 01:18:19.439 --> 01:18:25.840 And Bella Legosi Junior. Bela's son said, I like everything about what 1118 01:18:25.920 --> 01:18:30.760 you did, except Bella never had little dogs and he never swore. So 1119 01:18:30.000 --> 01:18:33.640 that was because he you know, he was pretty raunchy with the with the 1120 01:18:34.079 --> 01:18:39.600 with the language. Not raunchy asn't you know, just use some colorful words. 1121 01:18:39.760 --> 01:18:41.960 Sure, he said, Bella would never do that, and he never 1122 01:18:42.079 --> 01:18:45.359 had little chihuahuas or something like that. That was the only issues he took 1123 01:18:45.000 --> 01:18:49.000 with it. But u but he won an Oscar for playing Bella Legosi and 1124 01:18:49.000 --> 01:18:53.640 Betta Legos. He never came with an Amila one. It's gonna fun, 1125 01:18:57.000 --> 01:18:59.760 poor Bella. So he was. I mean, also he was the first 1126 01:18:59.760 --> 01:19:01.800 per to go you know, really the first famous person to go into rehab. 1127 01:19:02.159 --> 01:19:06.359 You know that for coke was a morphine addiction. You know, he 1128 01:19:06.439 --> 01:19:13.920 apparently he apparently had a sky attica sciatica, which is I've I had some 1129 01:19:14.039 --> 01:19:18.000 issues with that, um I think uh last year, extremely painful to nerve 1130 01:19:18.239 --> 01:19:21.920 down. That goes through your your hip bones and into your leg, your 1131 01:19:21.960 --> 01:19:26.800 whole leg um. It's really sharp, really sharp, terrible pain. So 1132 01:19:26.920 --> 01:19:30.479 he he was he was given kind of stronger and stronger treatments for it until 1133 01:19:30.479 --> 01:19:32.640 they got him on opiates. And then yeah, I became an addict. 1134 01:19:32.800 --> 01:19:38.520 I didn't know about the rehab part though. Yeah, there's pictures of him 1135 01:19:38.880 --> 01:19:44.640 being checked into rehab on a hospital bad looking very old and gaunt. But 1136 01:19:44.840 --> 01:19:46.680 yeah, he I think it was a sanitarium was what they called it back 1137 01:19:46.720 --> 01:19:50.520 then. But yeah, he admitted himself to it and it was in all 1138 01:19:50.560 --> 01:19:55.640 the papers, so he was like he went in public. Well that's probably 1139 01:19:55.640 --> 01:19:57.840 why I know him would touch him after that, and that's how he got 1140 01:19:57.880 --> 01:20:00.439 into Edwood movies, you know, because I had met him on Hollywood Boulevard. 1141 01:20:00.479 --> 01:20:03.079 You know, that's that Bella's old stuff. So talk about that. 1142 01:20:03.319 --> 01:20:06.520 Let's go, let's go into the Edwood stuff because you kind of know a 1143 01:20:06.600 --> 01:20:11.119 lot about that. And when didn't we um when we did Dearly Departed Volume 1144 01:20:11.199 --> 01:20:13.479 one, didn't we go into the cigar shop that he used to go to, 1145 01:20:14.119 --> 01:20:16.199 yeah, which is gone. Oh yeah, it's all bordered up and 1146 01:20:16.319 --> 01:20:21.439 gone. So that's historic footage that we uh yeah, that's cool. It 1147 01:20:21.760 --> 01:20:24.520 is, it really is. I mean that was such a neat place. 1148 01:20:24.560 --> 01:20:28.199 They had the cigar in the Toronto out in front of it and as a 1149 01:20:28.359 --> 01:20:30.920 neat the Hollywood smoke shop. So yeah, Bela lived over on Western and 1150 01:20:32.199 --> 01:20:38.479 and interestingly not very far from Vampira where she ended up dying, like literally 1151 01:20:38.560 --> 01:20:42.800 like three blocks from there. But but Bella every day of his life would 1152 01:20:42.840 --> 01:20:46.319 walk down Hollywood Boulevard to this cigar store and buy himself a cigar. And 1153 01:20:46.640 --> 01:20:51.640 that's about the time he met up with Edwood and the funeral home where Bella 1154 01:20:51.760 --> 01:20:55.840 was laid out in his Dracula costume. And not because he chose it, 1155 01:20:55.960 --> 01:20:59.000 because that's the nicest thing they had. His wife and his son shows it. 1156 01:20:59.399 --> 01:21:01.039 Not in his case though, just the just the suit. The cape 1157 01:21:01.039 --> 01:21:03.880 actually got auctioned off a few years ago and it's going to go in the 1158 01:21:03.920 --> 01:21:10.760 Academy Museum next year. I think they're they're gonna show that. But anyway, 1159 01:21:10.840 --> 01:21:15.600 so at his funeral utter McKinley Mortuary, which was across from the Pantagious 1160 01:21:15.600 --> 01:21:19.560 Theater and the Hollywood Smoke Shop now is the w Hotel. The other McKinley 1161 01:21:19.640 --> 01:21:24.479 mortuary who handled peg end Twistle, who jumped up to the Hollywood sign, 1162 01:21:24.680 --> 01:21:29.760 handled Bella, handled Dwight Fry, We talked about the guy that played Fritz, 1163 01:21:30.640 --> 01:21:34.279 handled Criswell, handled a lot of a lot of you know those people. 1164 01:21:34.680 --> 01:21:39.199 The supposedly the mortuary had an agreement with Hollywood Boulevard and that they would 1165 01:21:39.239 --> 01:21:42.239 not or with the Chamber of Commerce, so they wouldn't drive funeral processions down 1166 01:21:42.319 --> 01:21:46.479 Hollywood Boulevard. So Bella's funeral was at Good Shepherd Catholic Church in Beverly Hills, 1167 01:21:46.479 --> 01:21:50.319 and he's buried a Holy Cross cemetery and they had to get from Hollywood 1168 01:21:50.359 --> 01:21:57.520 to Beverly Hills. So the legend is that that Bella was in the back 1169 01:21:57.520 --> 01:22:00.680 of the hearse and the hearse driver was pulling out of the drive why and 1170 01:22:00.279 --> 01:22:03.640 his and he lost control of the hearse. He said the wheel was not 1171 01:22:03.840 --> 01:22:06.640 literally ripped from his hand, but he could not control it, and the 1172 01:22:06.680 --> 01:22:12.279 wheel took them onto Hollywood Boulevard, and he said he struggled with the wheel, 1173 01:22:12.439 --> 01:22:15.640 could not get it under control until they passed the Hollywood Smoke Shop. 1174 01:22:15.000 --> 01:22:20.319 So they said it was Bella's final farewell to Hollywood Boulevard. That is really 1175 01:22:20.399 --> 01:22:26.239 interesting. It's a good story. Yeah, yeah, And so the Hollywood 1176 01:22:26.279 --> 01:22:30.000 Chamber of Commerce didn't want funeral processions ruining the vibe, Yeah right, the 1177 01:22:30.239 --> 01:22:39.800 classy vibe of Hollywood Boulevard. Poor Bella. But yeah, so he's buried 1178 01:22:39.920 --> 01:22:43.880 Holy Cross in a Dracula suit. But not the cape. And yeah, 1179 01:22:43.920 --> 01:22:45.680 so the end of the I gain the legend is he's buried in the cape. 1180 01:22:45.720 --> 01:22:48.760 So you're saying that's not true, that's right. Yeah, he was. 1181 01:22:48.880 --> 01:22:51.680 I think he was good friends with Forrest Ackerman. And Ackerman was that 1182 01:22:51.840 --> 01:22:56.760 guy who had everything. He was mister sci Fi they called him. He 1183 01:22:56.800 --> 01:22:59.680 had a house, and he had a museum, and he was friends with 1184 01:22:59.800 --> 01:23:01.319 Bella with all these guys he had. He had the original cape, and 1185 01:23:01.359 --> 01:23:05.720 he had the original Dracula ring and all that business. And when Forrest Ackerman 1186 01:23:05.800 --> 01:23:11.279 died, it all kind of went up into the into the sky and all 1187 01:23:11.359 --> 01:23:15.560 landed all over the place. But Belos Cape did go up for auction. 1188 01:23:15.680 --> 01:23:19.600 I think Julian's. I'm not sure it's sold, but the Academy has it 1189 01:23:19.760 --> 01:23:21.880 and they're going to put it in the museum. That's what they say. 1190 01:23:23.119 --> 01:23:26.159 That's fantastic. I need to go to the museum. It opened recently, 1191 01:23:26.239 --> 01:23:29.720 by the way, it finally opened. I have friends who have gone. 1192 01:23:29.760 --> 01:23:31.279 I have not gone. I have friends who don't live in LA who have 1193 01:23:31.359 --> 01:23:34.039 gone, and I haven't gone. Here. Well, if you go to 1194 01:23:34.119 --> 01:23:38.119 my YouTube channel, Mike, I walked through the whole museum with my camera. 1195 01:23:38.920 --> 01:23:45.199 Yeah, like I'm actually the entire museum. So how'd you like it? 1196 01:23:45.399 --> 01:23:49.079 Yeah? I enjoyed it. I was expecting. I was hoping for 1197 01:23:49.359 --> 01:23:53.880 a little bit more clutter, you know. I like it to be a 1198 01:23:53.960 --> 01:23:58.239 little bit more silly and hodgepodge. I don't need it to be designed within 1199 01:23:58.279 --> 01:24:00.319 an inch of its life. And there was a lot of that. But 1200 01:24:00.439 --> 01:24:02.640 that's that's the deal. That's what they did. They hired, they had 1201 01:24:02.840 --> 01:24:05.840 gajillions of dollars to do it, and they hired, you know, all 1202 01:24:05.880 --> 01:24:10.079 these people to do it. So I would have liked to see more stuff. 1203 01:24:10.119 --> 01:24:14.760 The Hollywood Museum, Hollywood History Museum on Highland. I love because it's 1204 01:24:14.800 --> 01:24:17.560 so it's just all wacky, you know, it's everywhere something amazing. You 1205 01:24:17.640 --> 01:24:20.720 know, the seldom science of the Lambs. So there's Maywest's uh you know, 1206 01:24:21.039 --> 01:24:25.439 doors and it's it's the kind of stuff I like. I liked it 1207 01:24:25.479 --> 01:24:29.359 a lot. And that's the one that's in the old the old barn that 1208 01:24:29.520 --> 01:24:34.720 was was this This one's the old Max Factor Museum. That's right. Hollywood 1209 01:24:34.760 --> 01:24:39.600 History Museum is across from the Bowl, Hollywood Bowl in the old barn. 1210 01:24:39.680 --> 01:24:44.640 You're right, and uh and uh the Hollywood Museum. I guess they just 1211 01:24:44.760 --> 01:24:47.319 call it is on Hollywood and Highland in the old Max Factor building, and 1212 01:24:47.479 --> 01:24:50.880 they just have a cool collection of stuff. But to say, I love 1213 01:24:50.920 --> 01:24:55.840 the Academy. It was wonderful. I was love seeing the ruby slippers and 1214 01:24:56.680 --> 01:25:00.560 and uh and as a filmmaker, you'll lose your mind in there, you 1215 01:25:00.680 --> 01:25:03.920 know, with the cameras and etc. It was very in and seeing R 1216 01:25:03.960 --> 01:25:08.199 two D two and see three po one of the five hundred of them. 1217 01:25:08.520 --> 01:25:13.359 You know, it was interesting. But but I liked it. I enjoyed 1218 01:25:13.399 --> 01:25:16.920 it. I definitely glad. And and I'm sure you know, this is 1219 01:25:17.000 --> 01:25:19.760 the opening. This is his first iteration. I'm sure over it. Over 1220 01:25:19.840 --> 01:25:26.279 the years they'll acquire more things and I think they'll have rotating exhibits. I'm 1221 01:25:26.279 --> 01:25:29.920 also really, really, really excited about the movie theater that they built, 1222 01:25:30.279 --> 01:25:33.199 which was somewhat divisive though the way it was. The design. It looks 1223 01:25:33.199 --> 01:25:36.239 like I think it looks like a big egg. It's like a ball yum. 1224 01:25:36.680 --> 01:25:40.880 But I think it's freaking really cool and I can't wait to see a 1225 01:25:40.920 --> 01:25:43.199 film in it. I think it'll be really excited. Yeah, it'll be. 1226 01:25:43.439 --> 01:25:45.840 I hope it's um, you know the way they had it set up 1227 01:25:45.840 --> 01:25:50.079 because I was one of the don donating members, so I got like to 1228 01:25:50.119 --> 01:25:56.800 see the preview before it opened open and um, so it was awesome because 1229 01:25:56.960 --> 01:25:59.359 you had to book it, you had a certain period of time to go. 1230 01:26:00.039 --> 01:26:01.800 I don't know what it's going to be like otherwise. It was great 1231 01:26:01.840 --> 01:26:06.239 because there's elbow room up like crazy, and there was you know, you 1232 01:26:06.279 --> 01:26:10.439 could go up to see the ruby slippers. There weren't ten thousand people there. 1233 01:26:10.920 --> 01:26:14.439 You walk away and they're all by themselves and no one's there and you 1234 01:26:14.479 --> 01:26:16.319 can go back. You know, you could really take it all in if 1235 01:26:16.359 --> 01:26:19.439 you want to. So I don't know if they're going to have a free 1236 01:26:19.479 --> 01:26:24.279 for all a policy after this, and you know there's going to be a 1237 01:26:24.359 --> 01:26:28.680 thousand people at time in each room. But when the way I experience it 1238 01:26:28.760 --> 01:26:32.159 was really nice. I really enjoyed it. I'm planning on joining it as 1239 01:26:32.199 --> 01:26:34.880 like a member, and I got like the I think I did do like 1240 01:26:34.960 --> 01:26:39.119 the early contributor. I I donated like twenty five bucks or something like that, 1241 01:26:39.560 --> 01:26:42.039 you know when they were first doing like their fundraising, right, But 1242 01:26:42.119 --> 01:26:45.279 I do plan on joining as a member. I'm a LACMA member and that's 1243 01:26:45.319 --> 01:26:48.000 next door, so it kind of makes sense to just join both of them, 1244 01:26:48.079 --> 01:26:53.039 right, And I like supporting that kind of stuff, So I did 1245 01:26:53.119 --> 01:26:56.720 like forty bucks or fifty bucks, and yay, I got I got the 1246 01:26:56.800 --> 01:27:00.159 invitation out of that, so I was like, cool, you know, 1247 01:27:00.439 --> 01:27:02.119 all right, I'll go for free. Sure. I think I did look 1248 01:27:02.239 --> 01:27:06.159 into it early on. I looked into how much he would need to contribute 1249 01:27:06.199 --> 01:27:10.600 to get your name like on the wall. Oh my gosh, the thing. 1250 01:27:10.920 --> 01:27:13.760 And I think don't quote me on this, but I think it was 1251 01:27:13.800 --> 01:27:17.520 like two hundred and fifty grand was the minimum to get up there. Yeah, 1252 01:27:18.000 --> 01:27:24.439 you know, I'm tauntcy, freaking you know, pretentious. I hate 1253 01:27:24.520 --> 01:27:28.840 these people. Okay, I want to tell these something. These people didn't 1254 01:27:28.880 --> 01:27:32.199 give a crap about any of this stuff before the academy. Yeah, I'm 1255 01:27:32.199 --> 01:27:36.239 talking about this. This goes back to Debbie Reynolds again. Debbie Reynolds hard 1256 01:27:36.319 --> 01:27:42.239 ass. She wore all those costumes, all those props from classic MGM movie. 1257 01:27:42.279 --> 01:27:45.520 She spent her entire life. She mortgaged her house to get these things, 1258 01:27:46.000 --> 01:27:49.960 to save these costumes, sing seven year rich dress. She had, 1259 01:27:50.199 --> 01:27:54.880 you know, she she had you know costumes. She had the witch's hat, 1260 01:27:54.960 --> 01:27:58.279 she had all these amazing costumes, and not a single person would give 1261 01:27:58.279 --> 01:28:00.520 her the time of day. The academy said, go to help. They 1262 01:28:00.520 --> 01:28:02.800 didn't say that. Steven Spielberg, she had a meeting with him personally. 1263 01:28:02.920 --> 01:28:05.920 No sell it, David Geffen, no, get rid of it. The 1264 01:28:06.039 --> 01:28:09.800 academy, go get rid of it. We don't want it. And all 1265 01:28:09.800 --> 01:28:12.560 of a sudden, Debbie Reynolds, you know, it's close to death. 1266 01:28:12.880 --> 01:28:15.279 She says, I gotta sell this shit, and she, you know, 1267 01:28:15.359 --> 01:28:18.199 put off on auction. And then they come to Todd Fisher, Debbie's son, 1268 01:28:18.399 --> 01:28:21.119 and said, we want to use these costumes of your mother's and he's 1269 01:28:21.159 --> 01:28:25.000 like what he says, tell you what, I'll do it, but I 1270 01:28:25.079 --> 01:28:28.199 want you to name, you know, something like the Debbie Reynolds Pavilion in 1271 01:28:28.279 --> 01:28:31.520 there, because she deserves that. It just it just really, oh, 1272 01:28:31.680 --> 01:28:34.199 it just rubs me the wrong way. These people didn't you know, she 1273 01:28:34.439 --> 01:28:39.439 knew what they had her literally, her heart was in it and and it 1274 01:28:39.600 --> 01:28:43.520 mattered to her. And when she died, nobody cared. And now you 1275 01:28:43.600 --> 01:28:46.039 know, now they're all about, you know, we're gonna put I love 1276 01:28:46.119 --> 01:28:49.359 what I saw I just fight. I have a real chip on my shoulder 1277 01:28:49.399 --> 01:28:53.279 when it comes to that. I guess it the better better late than never. 1278 01:28:53.439 --> 01:28:55.720 But yeah, it would have been nice if she could have got the 1279 01:28:55.760 --> 01:28:58.560 glory while she was still around. And yeah, I mean she was, 1280 01:28:58.760 --> 01:29:02.279 she worked her but she she had like four deals. She had. Hollywood 1281 01:29:02.279 --> 01:29:08.359 and Highland was built specifically with her museum in mind, and it fell through. 1282 01:29:08.720 --> 01:29:11.319 Another one at the corner of Hollywood and Vine was supposed to happen. 1283 01:29:11.600 --> 01:29:15.800 That didn't go through. Dollywood was supposed to happen. All these investors were 1284 01:29:15.960 --> 01:29:18.880 like bugging out and uh and you know, so now you're gonna pay two 1285 01:29:18.920 --> 01:29:21.920 hundred and fifty thousand dollars to get your name on a wall. You know, 1286 01:29:23.399 --> 01:29:26.479 it's like, oh, screw you. You know, Debbie Reynolds's mortgage 1287 01:29:26.560 --> 01:29:29.920 or house to buy this stuff and you're gonna get your little name on the 1288 01:29:29.960 --> 01:29:36.720 wall and feel good about that? Eat me well off, I'm sorry. 1289 01:29:40.239 --> 01:29:43.680 How do you really feel about it? Though? I just I think I'm 1290 01:29:43.760 --> 01:29:45.680 just I really do. I think I'm just in that. I find that 1291 01:29:45.800 --> 01:29:50.479 to be really shitty. So um yeah, so yeah, but again, 1292 01:29:50.640 --> 01:29:56.399 better late than never at least exists Finally, Hollywood finally has like a big 1293 01:29:56.720 --> 01:30:02.039 budget, fully funded history museum dedicated to the film industry. Yeah, so 1294 01:30:02.119 --> 01:30:06.119 hopefully it'll only get better and growth go from here. Yeah. Bella da 1295 01:30:06.159 --> 01:30:10.560 Goosie. I don't know if we mentioned this. Bella Gosie passed away from 1296 01:30:10.600 --> 01:30:15.600 a heart attack on August sixteenth, nineteen fifty six, and he was seventy 1297 01:30:15.680 --> 01:30:19.319 three years old. And then he hijacked his hearse from beyond the grave. 1298 01:30:19.960 --> 01:30:23.800 Oh you know what, I met the woman who had the first line in 1299 01:30:23.920 --> 01:30:29.000 Dracula. She's she's in the carriage in Dracula and she plays these a little 1300 01:30:29.000 --> 01:30:30.600 girl with glasses on. I think she has the first line in the movie 1301 01:30:31.800 --> 01:30:36.199 when the guy's on his way to the little village, yeah next to the 1302 01:30:36.279 --> 01:30:41.880 castle. Yeah uh so Yeah. Her name is Carla Lamilee, and she 1303 01:30:42.159 --> 01:30:45.680 was the niece of Carl Lamily, the producer. I had a Universal Studios 1304 01:30:45.720 --> 01:30:49.119 who found it h and she was doing she she died just a couple of 1305 01:30:49.159 --> 01:30:51.920 years ago. She was like one hundred and four, but but she was 1306 01:30:53.000 --> 01:30:55.880 doing a thing at the Hollywood History Museum one night. So I went up 1307 01:30:55.960 --> 01:30:58.760 there and got to take a picture with her. That was really cool. 1308 01:30:58.800 --> 01:31:02.520 I met a woman who was in Dracula thirty one, was really really neat, 1309 01:31:02.800 --> 01:31:11.359 and I got another story. I saw Bram's Stoker's skull. What Bram 1310 01:31:11.439 --> 01:31:15.760 Stoker, who wrote Dracula, was cremated and in London, and he's a 1311 01:31:15.800 --> 01:31:21.279 Golders Green crematorium and he's in a locked area. So this is back in 1312 01:31:21.399 --> 01:31:26.319 the nineties, early nineties, before there was the internet. So find a 1313 01:31:26.359 --> 01:31:29.640 grave. None of that ship was around and I was doing some research. 1314 01:31:29.720 --> 01:31:33.960 So I went to Golders Green and I was peaking. Actually in this locked 1315 01:31:34.000 --> 01:31:39.319 area. Anna Pavlola, the Ballerinas in their Sigmund Freud is in there. 1316 01:31:40.039 --> 01:31:42.640 Conrad Bite, the actor, he hadn't been moved there yet, but he 1317 01:31:42.800 --> 01:31:45.920 was in there, and he ultimately was in there. But anyway, I 1318 01:31:45.319 --> 01:31:47.399 talked to a guy who worked there and he goes, i'll show you. 1319 01:31:47.880 --> 01:31:51.560 So we came on and he unlocked the door and we go up this weird 1320 01:31:51.680 --> 01:31:57.000 staircase and on the staircase is this little box. This is Bram Stoker on 1321 01:31:57.079 --> 01:32:00.359 it and I got to peek in and he lift up and this when they 1322 01:32:00.399 --> 01:32:03.199 didn't pulverize, they cremated, but they didn't pulverize yet so their bones and 1323 01:32:03.319 --> 01:32:06.199 bits of skull in there that I saw, So I saw bram Stoker's skull 1324 01:32:06.680 --> 01:32:10.319 in real life. And then they let me watch a cremation, which was 1325 01:32:10.399 --> 01:32:14.199 crazy. They just you know, they're showing me around and I got to 1326 01:32:14.239 --> 01:32:17.159 go to the different you know, ovens or retorts and see the whole process. 1327 01:32:17.199 --> 01:32:19.800 It was really They're so nice. I'm sure they wouldn't do it now. 1328 01:32:19.880 --> 01:32:25.479 But that's where Amy Winehouse was cremated, and and and Keith Moon and 1329 01:32:25.840 --> 01:32:30.399 uh and uh the Mark Boland and Peter Sellers and all these. George Michaels 1330 01:32:30.800 --> 01:32:34.399 was done there and pretty mercury. So everyone's been done at Golders Green. 1331 01:32:34.479 --> 01:32:39.840 But uh, but yeah, yeah, wow, did you want to talk 1332 01:32:39.840 --> 01:32:46.840 about Lon Cheney Jr. No, we can skip that actually and yeah, 1333 01:32:47.199 --> 01:32:49.920 well, I mean, well just as a as a mention, you know. 1334 01:32:50.039 --> 01:32:54.279 And then not to be dismissive because Fanom of the Opera is a great 1335 01:32:54.319 --> 01:33:02.399 movie. It's a silent movie about opera, which is interesting to mode. 1336 01:33:02.479 --> 01:33:05.960 I'm just saying. I'm not saying it it's lacking anything. I'm just saying 1337 01:33:06.000 --> 01:33:10.479 it was a silent movie. Who greenlit this? You know? Although it's 1338 01:33:10.520 --> 01:33:14.960 a classic. It's a classic story. And lan Cheney, who who was 1339 01:33:15.000 --> 01:33:18.479 also played the Hunch Hunchback of Notes Are Dawn before Uh played, played the 1340 01:33:18.560 --> 01:33:25.800 Phantom and it was really it was really interesting and really very interesting. Actually, 1341 01:33:26.119 --> 01:33:30.479 what was important to me to mention was that on a sound stage at 1342 01:33:30.560 --> 01:33:36.560 Universal Studios for decades was the original wall from the Paris Opera House from Phantom 1343 01:33:36.560 --> 01:33:41.279 of the Opera by lan Cheney. So it was it was still in the 1344 01:33:41.359 --> 01:33:45.079 sound stage that they used, and it was covered, you know, obviously 1345 01:33:45.239 --> 01:33:47.359 while they were filming other things, but it was there and if he went 1346 01:33:47.399 --> 01:33:51.920 to the tour sometimes if they weren't filming in that particular sound stage Stage twenty 1347 01:33:53.000 --> 01:33:57.039 eight, it was also the stage where a film bride at Frankenstein and Frankenstein 1348 01:33:57.600 --> 01:34:00.760 and Uh. And also it should be noted that the same guy that did 1349 01:34:00.800 --> 01:34:05.159 the props for Frankenstein was the guy that helped on Young Frankenstein and the Munsters, 1350 01:34:05.720 --> 01:34:10.159 Uh, because that we're that Universal, that that was the Universal had 1351 01:34:10.199 --> 01:34:14.000 the rights to the Munsters because it was Dracula and Frankenstein, etc. But 1352 01:34:14.399 --> 01:34:17.399 anyway, Stage twenty eight had the original wall from the Paris Opera House with 1353 01:34:17.560 --> 01:34:25.640 the booth that the phantom sat in and they tore it that. I'm we're 1354 01:34:25.680 --> 01:34:30.840 talking about like five years ago. They tore it the right right. Yeah, 1355 01:34:30.119 --> 01:34:33.199 so uh so that that is kind of kind of there you are, 1356 01:34:33.600 --> 01:34:39.119 there you are. That's Hollywood. So um, you know what I did 1357 01:34:39.199 --> 01:34:42.920 want to mention. I know we're close to wrapping this up, but we 1358 01:34:43.039 --> 01:34:45.279 were talking about Launchiny and lun Cheney's junior, of course, was the Wolfman 1359 01:34:46.399 --> 01:34:50.079 in Universal and all the sequels, the original Wolfman in forty one and in 1360 01:34:50.159 --> 01:34:53.720 the sequels. Um. I thought it was interesting, you know, he 1361 01:34:53.720 --> 01:34:59.560 could obviously in the shadow of his father, who who had died young himself 1362 01:35:00.199 --> 01:35:04.600 and originally wasn't going into acting. It didn't really pursue acting until after his 1363 01:35:04.680 --> 01:35:09.520 father died. And I did not know anything really about lon Chiny junior, 1364 01:35:09.600 --> 01:35:16.119 but apparently his mother attempted suicide in La in nineteen thirteen. She entered the 1365 01:35:16.239 --> 01:35:20.319 theater which is no longer there. It was a theater in downtown LA where 1366 01:35:21.159 --> 01:35:26.680 lun Cheney, the father was working. She entered the theater and swallowed a 1367 01:35:26.800 --> 01:35:32.359 vial of poison but didn't die, but she was no longer a part of 1368 01:35:32.680 --> 01:35:36.840 Chan No longer a part of lun Cheney Junior's life, and he apparently was 1369 01:35:36.960 --> 01:35:41.600 led to believe that she was dead and did not know that she was still 1370 01:35:41.640 --> 01:35:46.800 alive until after his father died in nineteen thirty. Wow, that's something. 1371 01:35:47.439 --> 01:35:50.399 There's some drama. So she went, she committed suicide in the theater. 1372 01:35:50.600 --> 01:35:55.840 She tried, she tempted, but didn't succeed. And then I don't know 1373 01:35:55.920 --> 01:35:59.159 what. I don't know if she was committed after that or what happened. 1374 01:35:59.239 --> 01:36:02.239 But he was apparently estranged from her from then on and was led to believe 1375 01:36:02.279 --> 01:36:05.079 that she was dead and didn't know it until he until his father died. 1376 01:36:05.960 --> 01:36:12.479 She was interesting, YEP. I knew that that Lon Chaney Junior wasn't called 1377 01:36:12.560 --> 01:36:16.319 Lon Chaney Junior until his father died. He changed his own name from M 1378 01:36:16.640 --> 01:36:21.239 Creighton. I think it was his was his name so and then he became 1379 01:36:21.479 --> 01:36:27.479 the Wolfman and H yeah, and then then was that weird? I just 1380 01:36:27.560 --> 01:36:31.840 read it and I just saw something like they're the only father's son. US 1381 01:36:31.920 --> 01:36:38.239 postage stamp people. They both when they did the Universal Monsters, both Lon 1382 01:36:38.359 --> 01:36:42.760 Cheney Junior and Lon Cheney ended up on the stamps. The US postal stamps 1383 01:36:42.800 --> 01:36:46.319 different ones. So I think it's the only time that's happened. But the 1384 01:36:46.399 --> 01:36:53.239 other thing about Lon Chaney Senior is a defended He made like almost one hundred 1385 01:36:53.279 --> 01:36:57.039 and sixty films, and of those one hundred and sixty films, over one 1386 01:36:57.079 --> 01:37:00.640 hundred of them are lost, you know, I mean just never found. 1387 01:37:00.680 --> 01:37:05.479 They're just missing. Something like like there's something like ninety plus percent of films 1388 01:37:05.479 --> 01:37:10.600 from the Silent era are gone forever. Yeah, so only fifty of his 1389 01:37:10.680 --> 01:37:14.840 films out of almost one hundred and sixty are here, you know, still 1390 01:37:14.880 --> 01:37:19.079 survive. It's that's that's really interesting. Again, it says a lot about 1391 01:37:19.079 --> 01:37:21.479 well, you know, it was a disposable time. Nobody knew was going 1392 01:37:21.520 --> 01:37:26.399 to have the longevity. That's also that there just wasn't a way. There 1393 01:37:26.520 --> 01:37:31.159 wasn't a good way to store it because film itself is extremely brittle and hard 1394 01:37:31.239 --> 01:37:34.439 to store a long term, and it's extremely flammable, and a lot of 1395 01:37:34.600 --> 01:37:39.840 these old films were lost to fires and also they just lost because the film 1396 01:37:39.920 --> 01:37:43.399 fell apart, and to your point, because they were disposable, and you 1397 01:37:43.479 --> 01:37:45.880 know, theater houses just threw them away when they were done running them. 1398 01:37:47.119 --> 01:37:51.119 Did we ever talk about the Silent Movie Theater murder. I don't know if 1399 01:37:51.159 --> 01:37:54.960 you've ever gone into that, No, not on the show. We should. 1400 01:37:55.279 --> 01:37:59.239 That's a great story. It's probably it's for a different time. But 1401 01:37:59.720 --> 01:38:02.960 the the irony of that being that the mother, the husband and wife that 1402 01:38:04.079 --> 01:38:11.039 created at the Silent Movie Theater, the only American movie theater devoted just to 1403 01:38:11.159 --> 01:38:15.239 silent movies of around Fairfax, you know, places where Charlie Chapman would slip 1404 01:38:15.319 --> 01:38:17.960 in or Clara bow would slip in during a screening to see their own movies 1405 01:38:17.960 --> 01:38:20.920 for the hell of it, you know. And the man and the woman 1406 01:38:20.960 --> 01:38:26.319 who created this place, he died from cancer from the chemicals of preserving the 1407 01:38:26.399 --> 01:38:30.479 films, you know. And and also but I mean the story about the 1408 01:38:30.520 --> 01:38:32.800 guy who inherited it getting murdered in the you know, we should talk about 1409 01:38:32.840 --> 01:38:36.119 this sometimes it's so much to take on. But his name was Lawrence Austin, 1410 01:38:36.199 --> 01:38:41.359 and he was murdered in at the box office of this this movie theater. 1411 01:38:41.960 --> 01:38:45.399 But he was a film historian, and they saved, like they have 1412 01:38:45.520 --> 01:38:49.479 a lot of prints of movies that were long gone, thought to be gone. 1413 01:38:50.079 --> 01:38:58.359 So there is a there's a real underground um sort of industry and that 1414 01:38:58.560 --> 01:39:01.159 kind of thing. A lot of collectors have these things, and you know, 1415 01:39:01.319 --> 01:39:04.479 you don't know about it, and that's really interesting because why would you 1416 01:39:04.520 --> 01:39:08.039 want to keep something like that to yourself? But so cool that the whole 1417 01:39:08.079 --> 01:39:10.520 reason you have a movie is to watch it, and what do you know, 1418 01:39:10.960 --> 01:39:13.079 what would you do with it? They're just gonna have it by yourself, 1419 01:39:13.119 --> 01:39:15.720 watch it over and over again. It's an ego thing, I guess. 1420 01:39:15.399 --> 01:39:19.119 And what also happens is, because you know, the Library of Congress 1421 01:39:19.960 --> 01:39:26.720 and these other film preservation organizations, what will happen is they will sometimes they'll 1422 01:39:26.760 --> 01:39:30.000 find these old films and pieces they'll turn up, you know, a new 1423 01:39:30.520 --> 01:39:33.479 a few seconds of footage will show up in an old trailer that was in 1424 01:39:33.600 --> 01:39:36.199 the you know, the attic of a movie theater for a hundred years. 1425 01:39:36.680 --> 01:39:39.840 Did someone dug up And they realize, oh my god, it's in the 1426 01:39:39.920 --> 01:39:43.159 missing minute of this movie where we've only had you know, ten minutes of 1427 01:39:43.239 --> 01:39:45.880 it in the past. And they'll find a way to kind of stitch different 1428 01:39:45.920 --> 01:39:49.479 pieces together, or sometimes because of the way censorship work back in the early 1429 01:39:49.560 --> 01:39:53.800 days of film, different cities would have different cuts of the movie because they'd 1430 01:39:53.840 --> 01:39:58.920 make their own censored cuts to things. So it's really wild how they pieced 1431 01:39:58.960 --> 01:40:01.760 together these films try and preserve them. And yeah, who knows what is 1432 01:40:01.800 --> 01:40:06.760 in people's private collections too that they may not even realize or considered lost films 1433 01:40:08.960 --> 01:40:12.439 or probably that's the whole point. It's like people they have, you know, 1434 01:40:12.640 --> 01:40:15.520 dinosaurs in their in their houses. You know, they spent like twenty 1435 01:40:15.600 --> 01:40:18.359 five million dollars on the torontosaurs. Rax. It's like, well, sure 1436 01:40:18.399 --> 01:40:21.960 there's an underground you know, Ivory and you know peep, there is a 1437 01:40:23.039 --> 01:40:27.359 whole industry. I'm sure like that, but it just seems it's like we 1438 01:40:27.439 --> 01:40:30.159 talked about James Dean's car. You know, it's like, okay, I 1439 01:40:30.279 --> 01:40:32.720 have the car. Now what I'm just sitting in my house and not telling 1440 01:40:32.760 --> 01:40:35.399 anybody you have it. It's like the whole point of having that something that 1441 01:40:35.680 --> 01:40:41.399 interesting is that you want to show people. So it's it's it's also very 1442 01:40:41.520 --> 01:40:47.079 interesting. But Slan Cheney, interestingly enough, what he was the is Paul 1443 01:40:47.159 --> 01:40:50.319 Bearers. That was an interesting list of people. Did you see that. 1444 01:40:50.760 --> 01:40:55.680 It's like Paul Burne, Paul burn who was murdered. You know, there's 1445 01:40:55.680 --> 01:41:00.680 another Manson connection that Jean Harlowe murdered in the house that are suicide officially whatever. 1446 01:41:00.840 --> 01:41:05.199 Yeah, Jacbring ended up buying the house. LB Mayor, Louis Mayer, 1447 01:41:05.600 --> 01:41:11.399 Lionel Barrymore, Todd Browning, and Ramon Navarro. We're all Paul bearers 1448 01:41:11.479 --> 01:41:16.039 at launch his funeral. Yeah, and he's buried in an unmarked grave and 1449 01:41:16.359 --> 01:41:21.520 uh at Enforced Line Glendale, in the same mausoleum as James Whale. Na 1450 01:41:21.880 --> 01:41:28.560 Navarro is another one. We should do a show on yeah one, Yeah, 1451 01:41:28.720 --> 01:41:30.800 yep, there's gotta be a Yeah, there's gotta be like a heart 1452 01:41:30.880 --> 01:41:36.800 throb or something. There's not more silent movies. I can't more silent movies. 1453 01:41:38.159 --> 01:41:41.439 I can't do the research. Oh my god. Oh it's hard. 1454 01:41:41.520 --> 01:41:43.800 It's hard. It's hard to sit through those. I didn't mind. We'll 1455 01:41:43.840 --> 01:41:45.520 see fanom of the Opera. There was like fifty five minutes. It's like, 1456 01:41:45.840 --> 01:41:48.520 yeah, sign me up, I'm good, that's all right. But 1457 01:41:48.680 --> 01:41:51.880 also, I love I love um the comedies. You know, it's like 1458 01:41:53.000 --> 01:41:58.960 chaplain there there because there's so the physical comedy is so entertaining you don't even 1459 01:41:59.039 --> 01:42:03.680 notice the last But like the stunts, I mean that crazy stuff with their 1460 01:42:03.720 --> 01:42:08.479 hanging over buildings, Buster Keaton, you know, and our Harold Lloyd and 1461 01:42:08.600 --> 01:42:12.960 all the crazy stun stunts that they did, Yeah, jumping off trains and 1462 01:42:13.119 --> 01:42:19.680 things. Yeah, yeah, why not speaking of film safety. Yeah yeah, 1463 01:42:20.199 --> 01:42:23.840 right, all right, good way to end this thing. Actually we 1464 01:42:24.000 --> 01:42:29.319 brought it all the way around to full circle, full circle unfortunately. Um, 1465 01:42:29.520 --> 01:42:32.199 all right, well thanks to everybody. Uh, it's the end of 1466 01:42:32.239 --> 01:42:38.960 our thirtieth episode. So we went with the nineteen thirties with the Universal monsters, 1467 01:42:39.720 --> 01:42:42.079 and yeah, it was it was a lot of it was a lot 1468 01:42:42.159 --> 01:42:45.439 of a lot of information. But thank you. Yeah, thanks for watching. 1469 01:42:45.520 --> 01:42:47.640 I'm glad that you and uh like to spend the time with us, 1470 01:42:47.680 --> 01:42:50.239 and we enjoyed doing this, so thank you very much. 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