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Welcome to the Marvel a Lince podcast
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I'm the Man without Fear, Chris.

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I'm your friendly neighborhood Brent Alliance Assemble, Volume two hundred and nineteen, and

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uh, guess what, Brent,
two weeks in a row, we're talking

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about some Blade drama. We are
we are. I mean it's nothing we

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wouldn't have been able to infer already, but yeah, some Blade stuff did

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come out this week. Yeah,
so right out there as usual Marvel.

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As you were saying, like,
have an interesting history of last minute news

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breaking before we go live, so
we'll take it. Content is content.

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Yeah, there you go. So, how's been your week? It's been

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good. It's been good. Had
well, had yesterday off for the holiday,

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just prepping for some uh some trips
I'm taking over the next few weeks.

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So it's it's been good. What
about you? Yeah, Heroes Con

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was great, so stay tuned for
the post credits at that point, go

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overall all that the festivities with that, uh had a nice kind of early

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anniversary celebration. Our anniversary is not
until the end of July. But Aaron

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and I went to an all day
spa at that point, so that was

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relaxing and interesting to say the least. Fair So, uh but yeah,

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good week, good week overall at
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big, big kind of network thing. You said you're getting ready for trips.

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Brent will not be with us for
a little bit. How long are

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you gonna be gone? Yeah,
I'm basically the way that it's multiple trips,

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but the way the scheduling falls,
three weeks in a row. I

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will be gone starting next week.
Yes, so Brent will we will.

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We will miss him, but some
of the a lot of the trips hopefully

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will be enjoyable. Yeah, and
I'm sure sure, Well, I got

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I got two weeks of vacation in
one week of a conference debatable which I'm

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looking forward to more actually, because
I really am looking forward to that conference.

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But you know what's going to happen, Like they're going to announce like

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Big Spider Man for News, Daredevil's
going to be in it, Punisher is

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gonna like I'm going to miss the
big news there. But that's okay,

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you know what. I hope it
does happen. I hope it does happen.

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You can come back to Excitement and
we'll give you your platform and your

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soapbox due to pontificate of how excited
you are. Absolutely so. But yeah,

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So the next couple of weeks,
David is going to be coming in

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and stepping in for you, and
then that final week you're out, mister

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Travis Nell will be coming back on. So I want to thank them early

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for taking that time to join us
and step in for you. Yes,

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but you will be missed, honey
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or listening at that point, well, as we said earlier, were talking

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about Blade, you know, last
week we talked about how they lost their

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their second director into so many The
Harvard Reporter came out today with a basically

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a major expos looking at all the
behind the scenes drama going on and giving

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some insights from their quote unquote sources
of what has been going on. And

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it's been one of those necessarily that
it's been rather frustrating, I think for

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both of us who not only like
Harshal law Ali but also the character itself,

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just to see the turmoil that's been
going on with this. We're gonna

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end up getting the Blade game before
we get the Blade movie. Okay,

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fact, that's my factor of fiction. I'm sticking to it. It's gonna

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happen. Yeah, sad but true, and yes, a little break with

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this, Yes, all in the
game saying RP. Donald Southern fantastic actor,

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fully agree with that. Definitely very
sad news at that point. And

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if Jack saying excited to hear about
Rick's on yep, listen for that after

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the credits. So so Harvard Reporter, we're gonna break this down. Some

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things we knew, some things we're
getting a little more light on. So

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they they basically their sources are telling
them. Star Mahershala Ali is also set

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to be increasingly frustrated, who has
been attached to the project since twenty nineteen.

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He hand picked Demong after the project
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in September twenty twenty two. At
the time, Blade was in pre

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production and was about two months from
principal photography, but Marvel came to believe

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that Tarik was not the best fit
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Marvel then presented this sounds to be
recently presented Ali with a list of directors

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for consideration, but Ali conducted his
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largely featured filmmakers who were untested at
the big studio level. So let's,

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you know, Marvel's had a history
you know of giving you know, either

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first time directors or newer directors projects
like this, or up and coming directors

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that may have had a recent like
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kind of break them into this.
This is not this is part for the

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course for them, but the fact
that Ali was not at all happy with

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this, what do you feel about
that? It's an interesting amount of control

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that he seems to have over this
project. But considering he's the one who

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brought the project to them, he's
the one that said I want to work

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with you as his character, I
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do that. And that said,
Marvel's track record is pretty good with those

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with the up and comers, with
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who have like I'm thinking about the
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the biggest success story, which they
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TV, but nothing to the scale
of what they did with The Winter Soldier,

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and then we know what that projected
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tinfoil hat that the idea that you're
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they play ball a lot more versus
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more fully control. At that point, they yeah, they do play they

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play ball a little bit more.
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bit more, which, depending on
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good thing, could be a bad
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kind of just comes down to the
project itself. Yeah, Ali has at

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times, They're gone to say,
Ali at times has exercised an inordinate amount

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of influence of the project in a
way a few actors have on the Marvel

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movies. Part of it stems from
the Blade inceptions, which began when Ali

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called the studio after winning the Oscar
for his work on Green Book and said

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he wanted to Blade Ali and Vision
Blade as his black panther. According to

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sources, so that that right there
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can explain a big chunk of why
we're getting so many delays, not just

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necessarily his control, but his vision
for what this is going to be.

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This is no simple vampire project to
him, right if he's looking for something

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on the level of a black Panther, he's looking for something that is going

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to make some or a statement,
some sort of commentary on race, race,

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race, cultural things like that.
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in the game, says Chad Sahlski, who did the John Forur movies,

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John Wick, who did great with
all four John Wick movies, would be

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a good candidate. I don't disagree
in principle other than I don't know,

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if you are looking to make statements
about race or cultural I kind of feel

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like you probably don't want a white
guy to direct that. So it just

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kind of depends on what how literal
he's meaning when he's Ali says he wants

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it to be his black panther.
That said, I love the John Wick

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movies, so I I know Stawski
has worked in Marvel before. By all

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means, put put bring him somewhere
and give him the top job on some

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other project. And maybe that's the
drum they're beating. When they didn't like

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what then necessarily what Treike was going
to be doing, as they said they

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didn't think he could handle it well
enough bade me think, Like, I

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know, Ali kind of was pushing
forward at that point, but if they

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didn't think any handle it, it's
a little late in the game. But

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you know, like with everything,
they got rid of it and all the

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game. Also saying Ali's putting a
lot of pressure on himself. All I

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mean, yes, but if he's
that personally invested into it, you know

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he wants to do right. He's
never he's never struck me as an actor

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to do just do a project just
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I mean, it's one of those
that I can't argue with what he thinks

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this project should be. They go
on to say Demong's Blade was batting its

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wings toward a shooting date of May
twenty twenty three, and hired yet another

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writer, True Detective creator Nick Pozzolato, also an Ali pick to bring the

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script over to the finish line,
but it was all for not when the

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writer strike and then the actor strike
shut the movie down. Quote. People

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have missed about three windows to shoot
other movies, shoot other movies or shows

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an agent note. But unlike several
other Marvel projects which were shut down and

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then restarted, including Deadpool, Wolverine
and The Thunderbolts, Blade instead let most

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of its actors go. This was
news Delroy Lindo and Aaron Pierre among them,

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and went through more writers. Marvel
hired Michael Green in November, and

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right right after Demong left, go
to Marvel writer Eric Pearson, who had

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pleased the studio with recent work on
Thunderbolts and The Fantastic Four, jumped in.

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So now we've lost two major actors
for this project that we didn't know

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were no longer part of the project
anymore. And you know, it goes

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into more of the writers. I
mean, I mean that's going to happen

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either, you know, I say
they let them go. Maybe they couldn't

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wait around any longer. They wanted
to do other projects and just couldn't commit

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to the time as it was kept
on shifting and shifting and shifting. This

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has always been the problem as a
result of the strikes. There's only so

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long that Marvel can keep keep an
actor from working on other projects. So

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we have first rights in your time. You have to keep your schedule clear.

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There's only so long they can do
that. And if they're not going

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to make the movie eventually, they
just got to let them go. Or

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if the movie keeps, you know, starting over, they got to let

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them go. And that's what keeps
happening with this movie. Yeah, they

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bring out the point of Wesley Snipes
chiming in playing a little troll action saying

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blade, lordy, lordie, I
think the thing to talk about, like

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how snowmobiles, how many snowmobiles or
whatever doing it. You know, again,

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he's just making fun of it.
Because he's not involved. Ali's attorney,

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Shelby Wiser, told THHR in a
recent interview that deal was in twenty

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nineteen and they still haven't shot it, which is pretty much the craziest thing

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in my professional experience. And I
would agree that that's been one of those

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where it's saying, really, what
is going on? On top of last

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year strikes, Blade was a victim
of the pandemic delays in Disney's full steam

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ahead pivot to streaming, which forced
Marvel to overproduce and over develop its slate.

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Quote, there wasn't enough attention paid
to it, paid to its As

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one insider, it really was a
casualty of the too much era, and

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I kind of I found someone,
uh, you know, put up the

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photo where Blade was in that huge
timeline when Figie did put it on SDCC.

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I mean, even looking at the
projects that have made it my goodness,

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I had forgotten how much projects had
gotten delayed and shifted so many.

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I mean nearly everything between between the
strikes and the Panamic League, well with

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the pandemic, literally everything that got
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delayed. And so yeah, this
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the game, saying there were Lindos
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from what I was I had heard
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as is a period It is a
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going to come and go before Blade
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and time periods. The version that
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in the nineteen twenties, according to
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a vampire named Lilith who wanted the
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attached to star on the project,
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going to remain as his character or
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Marvel built a massive train set,
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be passed on to a different Disney
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said to be in present day,
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when they were that close to shooting
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that they were already building sets.
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said, it is unclear how many
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the development and pre production costs.
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learned in recent years that it does
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is del pride itself of having high
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it, says Kevin Figi, has
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for Blade, considering the Snipe nineteen
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him and one of the inspirations for
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days of the MCU. He even
remarked in twenty seventeen a character nobody had

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heard of at all, had only
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or something turned into a big franchise, and that is always a great lesson

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for me. Where you go,
it doesn't matter how well you know the

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character. It is a matter of
how cool the movie is. And we

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already talked about last week. Six
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this project, including Bo de Mayo. Yeah you know that train thing is

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interesting, but right now the budget
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another movie, another TV show,
that they absorbed the cost of that,

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like they you know, make the
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they were set building. They probably
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it's probably going to be like what
people are going to be like at first

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sticker shock, much like we saw
with what was going on with Netflix in

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the recent Russo Brothers movie. Oh
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that's yeah. I will not be
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that's got is you know, they're
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a thing every movie has. But
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this will be the movie response responsible
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does hit two hundred million, it's
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eight hundred million, at the box
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that's that's my figure. It's gonna
it'll hit at least two hundred million when

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all said and done. I should
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spressed when you would think of what
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just like, there is no reason
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about it last week that he's still
committed this despite his frustrations. But at

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what point do they they say they're
gonna have to cut and run. Absolutely,

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not doing it two thirds of the
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when they've already started and they're halfway
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had to go back, you know, and you get it pay not necessarily

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a full page run rewrite, because
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some elements of the episode's film,
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I understand. Well, do you
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be number four on the call sheet
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It's like see that kind of that
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out of there. He's a title
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than number one on the colt.
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you know again, the movies are
what they are and who and whatever

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we've got with Wesley's Snipes he put
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know again, nobody, nobody really, you know, even in the comics

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these days, Blade still is not
a popular character. I know they're doing

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a whole event right now in the
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intents and purposes, it's not a
bit. It's at the household. They

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mainly do to Wesley Snipes's movies.
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me, which remembers three months behind
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Morales stuff and other than that.
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a really long time. So he
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re or Jason Aaron's one, which
was I say nothing where is? That

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was a big nothing burger of an
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why, all right, I won't
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and it ended up doing nothing.
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of the stuff we've talked about in
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hearing some of these things where you
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to do, his vision for this
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to make sense. But we mentioned
it last week. I'll say it again.

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I don't remember another star in that
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says I want to do this.
So and there hasn't been one since Why

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well, here's here's your here's your
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directors where they've been like, here's
a couple we're looking at, maybe like

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see what's sparking your interest, But
there hasn't been anything like this on the

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acting side. Yeah, only Game
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eighty to one hundred million. Yeah, oh, absolutely, absolutely, there's

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no reason why I should get up
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right that having two oscars, yes, he does get to do that.

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I get that. But sure,
and again I think he's an outstanding actor

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and he should have some say about
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reason people say how can when people
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creating a vampire movie? Well,
he doesn't want it to be just a

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vampire movie. He wants it to
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We both hear Marvel lines want to
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we did talk about last week how
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to collect, moving along with it
with a new writer attached that I'm we're

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both very excited about. This could
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into the Midnight Suns Project. If
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well time will tell. We definitely
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not be confident we will see it, but I want to see it.

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Yeah. So but all right,
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back, all right. So next
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you know, the Spider Man animated
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kind of gained some traction, so
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in that way. So we got
Charlie Cox talking his return as our favorite

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horned superhero in animation and in a
different costume if we remember way back what

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that costume was going to be.
Like, Charlie Cox getting is getting is

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coming from combook dot Com getting animated
about his return. I will voice the

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black suited Daredevil and your Friendly Neighborood
spider Man, the new animated series from

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x N ninety seven producers Marvel Animation. It was announced in twenty twenty two

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that Cox had signed on to for
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the MCU based Spider Man prequel that
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When Marvel Studios revealed the project,
Cox went on to say, I went

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into the studio and did some voice
over work for that a long time ago,

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years ago, during when I was
shooting she Hulk, so I think

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that was around twenty twenty one,
Cox recalled during an appearance at Fan Expo

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Boston twenty twenty four. I've just
seen a couple of scenes that I've voiced,

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and I haven't seen all the scenes
yet. I just saw the early

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drawings of it. That's all I
know. I haven't seen any of it.

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I have no idea what the story
is, but it's the stories.

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I'm excited about it and this it's
interesting just because the actors don't get the

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full project. They just get in
their lines, maybe a little bit of

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context before and after, so they
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the lines. But it was just
like I think that's the most caught off

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guard. It sounds like Charlie Cox
was when asked about it. Yeah,

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I mean if he did this back
when he was doing Sethulk around that time,

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It's been a long time since he
recorded lines for this, so he

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may not remember the specifics too much. But I'm excited. I'm excited to

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see it. Is this the project
I you know, want I've been waiting

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for for my Spider Man Daredevil TEAMO. Now, of course not, but

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I'm still excited to see it.
And you know, it was rumored to

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come out later this year, and
then that rumor was kind of walked back.

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Who knows what it's actually going to
be, but regardless, I look

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forward to seeing it. I hope
people give it a chance, because I

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know there's an awful lot of people
now who are ready to dump this show

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because they want a Spider Man the
Animated series revival. I'm with those people

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that wanted to see that happen.
But let me just see what this is.

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The animation style is interesting, is
different at that point, I need

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kind of like what we saw with
the trailers for X Men ninety seven.

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A lot of people were I'm not
so sure about this animation style, and

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then when we finally saw it in
full action, up, We're all sold.

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We're right there. So I'm all
about waiting and seeing interesting though they

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give a little more details about this. So this is set during Peter's freshman

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year of high school. The series
takes place in an alternate version of the

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MC before the events of Captain America
Civil War in this multiverse remix. It's

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Northern Norman Osborne, not Tony Stark
of the Avengers, who mentors the fifteen

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year old Peter voiced by what IF's
Hudson Fame Friendly Herd to Spider Man is

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an a mate is amazing, to
say the least, said Brad Windebaum,

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the head of streaming television animation for
Marvel Studios, in recentil comicbook dot Com,

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adding that the show is very much
like a cut from the classic stan

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leanste Ditko era of the comic books
that ran from sixty two to sixty six.

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Now him saying that now the animation
style makes total sense. That is

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absolutely that is very much channeling dit
Goes Hard very much and hopefully that message

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gets out there. No people will
see that. I don't know if people

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would know Steve didgo, but they'll
definitely know stan Lee, but they should

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definitely know him. It's Peter Barker
back in high school, just trying to

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make it work, take care of
his aunt, completely broke and having to

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be a superhero. So it's essentially
Spider Man, Windabaum said, And what

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Jeff Trammel did and what I think
people are gonna love is He's built this

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ensemble of characters around Peter that you
fall in love with similarly, just because

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it's long form storytelling, as those
relationships brew when the stakes rise in that

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first season, things feel really tragic
and dangerous and pretty incredible. So I

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love the show. First, Let's
go back to what he said in that

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first season. So yeah, basically, I think we're going to get at

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least one more season out of this. I mean, they're never gonna they're

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never gonna say, you know,
I mean unless they flat out said ahead

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of the time it was a miniseries, which they haven't done, so they're

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not gonna allude to we're gonna wait, We're gonna see how it goes.

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I just that's the first reference I've
seen to them referring to it as a

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first season. That's exciting. Yeah, that's brad Winnebaum. He's been known

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to drop these surprising nuggets and purposely
at that point, so I'm gonna take

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him at face value. He basically
has just like covertly subtly announced that there

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will be at least two seasons of
this. I think so as well.

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Yep, So all right, again, it's Spider Man. Well, we'll

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get it, We'll we'll enjoy it
at this point. So following up with

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this, there had been some back
and forth in different stories talking about like

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who's actually involved voice cast wise,
and a number of them, including you

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know, the Comic book dot Com
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Vincent Genofrio reprising his role as Kingpin. Another one basically called out and said

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Vincent Anophrio not complicom dot com,
but another story saying he had come back

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to reprises role. However, that
is not true according to Vincent Anophrio.

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caught in between Marvel and Sony,
so as they straight up start off the

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article saying Vincent Nafrio's Kingpin won't be
tangling with the year friendly hit neighbor at

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Spider Man. During a San Die
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announced that Charlie Cox was going to
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Voice series would is due out later
this year, but when asked about it,

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00:29:03.279 --> 00:29:08.319
he said at the Fan Xbone in
Boston twenty twenty four, I'm going

406
00:29:08.359 --> 00:29:11.400
to be transparently to say this.
You know the whole Marvel Sony thing,

407
00:29:11.519 --> 00:29:18.480
right, he said. When he
asked if he might voice Kingpin in this,

408
00:29:18.559 --> 00:29:22.680
he said, so there are characters
Marvel, characters invented by Marvel,

409
00:29:22.960 --> 00:29:26.400
written by Marvel that are caught between
Marvel and Sony, and so it takes

410
00:29:26.440 --> 00:29:30.920
a long time for them to figure
out who is doing what. As we

411
00:29:30.000 --> 00:29:34.279
know. He reprised his role in
Hawkeye and Echo and will be rejoining in

412
00:29:34.559 --> 00:29:38.559
Daredevil Born Again. He said,
I never really know where Kingpin can show

413
00:29:38.640 --> 00:29:42.640
up. My character is in that
kind of situation, unlike Charlie's, so

414
00:29:44.240 --> 00:29:47.640
I don't know if it's part of
the deal when it comes to playing Kingpin.

415
00:29:48.440 --> 00:29:52.440
So they go on to who owns
the rights, and the answer,

416
00:29:52.559 --> 00:29:55.759
they say, could lie in the
history as the shared villain between Spider Man

417
00:29:55.839 --> 00:29:59.880
and Daredevil. Though the character has
been recurring member of Spider Man's Rose gall

418
00:30:00.079 --> 00:30:03.039
ra since debuting in the pages of
A Mats and Spider Man number fifty in

419
00:30:03.119 --> 00:30:08.799
nineteen sixty seven, Kingpin has been
Daredevil's arch nemesis ever since Frank Miller's definitive

420
00:30:08.880 --> 00:30:14.000
run as writer and penciler of that
title. In the nineteen eighties, Kingpin

421
00:30:14.160 --> 00:30:18.519
was regular as Marvel Film's animation Spider
Man. The animated series had aired on

422
00:30:18.559 --> 00:30:22.960
Fox Kids Network in the nineteen nineties, and the crime Lord was Big Bad

423
00:30:22.160 --> 00:30:26.839
on the Fox made Daredevil movie played
by Michael Clarke Duncan in two thousand and

424
00:30:26.880 --> 00:30:30.599
three. That same year, Duncan
returned to voice Kingpin in an episode of

425
00:30:30.599 --> 00:30:33.160
the Sony Pictures CG Animated Spider Man, the new animated series on MTV.

426
00:30:34.039 --> 00:30:38.039
That would be the last time Kingpin
appeared in animation. So you said,

427
00:30:38.759 --> 00:30:42.799
Brent, you had told said offline
that we have all had kind of forgotten,

428
00:30:42.880 --> 00:30:48.359
like why this is kind of a
mess. Well, it's just one

429
00:30:48.720 --> 00:30:49.839
I had never thought about it.
And you know, I like to follow

430
00:30:49.839 --> 00:30:52.960
who, especially back in the heyday, of all of them, who what

431
00:30:53.160 --> 00:30:59.200
studio owns which character into the Spider
versus the Key Here, there is the

432
00:30:59.240 --> 00:31:03.599
Fox Stared Double movie, there's the
Fox Stared Double Movie. All of us

433
00:31:03.680 --> 00:31:07.000
kind of thought, well, when
that those rights lapsed and went back to

434
00:31:07.079 --> 00:31:10.799
Marvel. They came out with the
Charlie Hawks, Fens and Anofrio show,

435
00:31:11.240 --> 00:31:14.000
and well that's it. Marvel has
those rights. And then you know they

436
00:31:14.079 --> 00:31:17.640
used Anafrio again, and in Hawkeye, we see him in Hawkeye, we

437
00:31:17.680 --> 00:31:19.839
see him an echo. We know
he's gonna be in Dareduvil Borney, and

438
00:31:19.880 --> 00:31:23.319
we have no reason thing, and
we just all seem to forget that Spider

439
00:31:23.400 --> 00:31:29.720
Man into the Spider Verse existed as
there or as Kingpin, was the main

440
00:31:29.799 --> 00:31:34.000
villain of that first Spider Verse.
And in hindsight, it's like, why,

441
00:31:34.319 --> 00:31:37.839
like, why is that even possible? Because he is Kingpin's the only

442
00:31:37.960 --> 00:31:44.200
character in that movie that that I
watching, it would have thought Marvel owned

443
00:31:44.200 --> 00:31:47.319
the rights to. Now, if
you had asked me back then, I

444
00:31:47.319 --> 00:31:49.240
would have said they had some sort
of deal just to let it go,

445
00:31:49.319 --> 00:31:53.519
because Marvel wasn't using Kingpin at the
time, just to let that happen and

446
00:31:53.559 --> 00:31:59.519
it wasn't a big deal. So
now, like looking at this, this

447
00:31:59.640 --> 00:32:04.599
is a case character to my knowledge
that I don't know of another character that

448
00:32:04.640 --> 00:32:09.440
all three major studios had the rights
to Fox, Marvel, Sony at various

449
00:32:09.440 --> 00:32:14.440
times. I don't know, it's
super interesting. This really took me by

450
00:32:14.480 --> 00:32:16.519
surprise when I read this this week. Yeah, it's like I said,

451
00:32:16.519 --> 00:32:20.920
it just kind of came about since
they both were at the same comic Con

452
00:32:21.079 --> 00:32:24.920
event, and why not ask the
same question. So it's one of those

453
00:32:25.000 --> 00:32:30.599
where you know, when Marvel licensed
Spider Man movie writs and over nine hundred

454
00:32:30.599 --> 00:32:36.039
related characters to Sony Pictures in nineteen
eighty nine, but Kingpinn's one of those

455
00:32:36.079 --> 00:32:39.559
few who are co owned with non
an exclusive to any universe. So just

456
00:32:39.759 --> 00:32:45.519
like in order to use Quicksilver and
Scarlet Which and the Avengers or X Men,

457
00:32:45.559 --> 00:32:49.880
they had to come to some sort
of understanding of how that was going

458
00:32:49.960 --> 00:32:52.440
to work, Like they don't use
the word mutants, yes, we used

459
00:32:52.559 --> 00:33:00.000
enhanced or the Chatari and the Avengers
movie were basically there because at the time

460
00:33:00.960 --> 00:33:06.319
the Scrolls were owned by Fox.
In the comics, especially the ultimates,

461
00:33:06.359 --> 00:33:08.680
you find out basically the Chaitari was
meant to be the Scrolls, like in

462
00:33:08.720 --> 00:33:13.480
the comics they're the same race.
Well that was true in the Ultimate comics.

463
00:33:13.519 --> 00:33:16.200
I don't know about six and six, but regardless, it is one

464
00:33:16.240 --> 00:33:20.119
of those weird ones. I just
never realized or put it together that King

465
00:33:20.160 --> 00:33:23.480
Penfella note that category is one of
those shared characters, because it has seemed

466
00:33:23.480 --> 00:33:28.480
like Marvel could use him whenever they
want, and obviously we know they can

467
00:33:28.559 --> 00:33:30.279
use them in live action wherever they
want. Like, that's not a problem.

468
00:33:30.559 --> 00:33:34.599
So ultimately it's fine if we can't
have them in this Spider Man TV

469
00:33:34.680 --> 00:33:37.559
show. If you look at all
the other characters that say there's gonna be

470
00:33:37.640 --> 00:33:39.839
at this, fine, there are
plenty of other characters to see Spider Man

471
00:33:39.920 --> 00:33:44.279
interact with. Just give it to
me on the big screen and we'll call

472
00:33:44.319 --> 00:33:49.720
it good. And and fairly recently, king Bin has split his time in

473
00:33:49.759 --> 00:33:53.640
the comics very equally between Daredevil and
and Spider Man. Yeah, and he

474
00:33:53.759 --> 00:33:58.880
was a major major villain in the
Spider Man animated series from the nineties.

475
00:34:00.440 --> 00:34:05.480
Spider Man. Kingpin, to me
has always been a primarily Daredevil villain,

476
00:34:05.680 --> 00:34:09.079
but Spider Man is like his number
two. Like from Kingspin's perspective, obviously,

477
00:34:09.159 --> 00:34:13.760
he was a Spider Man villain first, as you just mentioned, but

478
00:34:14.440 --> 00:34:19.400
like today as is I think of
him as Daredevil first, Spider Man second.

479
00:34:19.639 --> 00:34:22.760
I would I would do that too. I mean even even Kingpin has

480
00:34:22.800 --> 00:34:27.480
been introduced into the Ultimate Spider Man
universe again, you know find out I'm

481
00:34:27.480 --> 00:34:29.679
not there yet, but no,
you should be. No, you're there.

482
00:34:30.400 --> 00:34:32.199
The only only two issues will come
out. No, he owns he

483
00:34:32.239 --> 00:34:38.679
owns the Bugle. Oh okay,
yeah, I go yea, well that's

484
00:34:38.719 --> 00:34:42.920
more of a Wilson fist thing.
But like as the king Pin, well,

485
00:34:43.039 --> 00:34:45.199
I just it's what, it's one
of the same to me at this

486
00:34:45.280 --> 00:34:47.800
point. So it's coming. Yes, I'm like, when's the next issue

487
00:34:47.800 --> 00:34:50.920
of that coming. I'm like,
it seems like it's been a while.

488
00:34:51.119 --> 00:34:53.119
I made I made sure to be
careful with what I said at that point.

489
00:34:53.800 --> 00:34:58.719
So, but yeah, it's it's
rather interesting at that point, So

490
00:34:59.280 --> 00:35:04.000
do not necessar necessarily right. If
so, it's basically from what vincentinafrio,

491
00:35:04.119 --> 00:35:08.599
he is more than likely not going
to be voicing Kingpin if Kingpin is in

492
00:35:09.760 --> 00:35:15.880
Your Friendly Neighborhood Spider Man even you
know, we get the quote from you

493
00:35:15.920 --> 00:35:22.280
know, the one of the main
kind of create co creators basically of Your

494
00:35:22.280 --> 00:35:28.599
Friendly Neighborhood Spider Man basically saying yeah, we're gonna make sure we're if he

495
00:35:28.679 --> 00:35:32.880
was very clear saying there's gonna be
a lot of information coming out from scoopers

496
00:35:32.880 --> 00:35:37.639
who think that they know what's going
on. He says, unless it's coming

497
00:35:37.920 --> 00:35:40.360
when the show starts coming out,
he gets close, I will I will

498
00:35:40.400 --> 00:35:45.119
tweet out what's real and what's not. But he's not going to say anything

499
00:35:45.159 --> 00:35:49.559
right now. He just basically warned
people for believing certain things are true or

500
00:35:49.639 --> 00:35:55.079
not true. So yeah, but
we shall see so uh but yeah,

501
00:35:55.360 --> 00:35:59.320
though, that is all the news
for this week. So we're gonna take

502
00:35:59.480 --> 00:36:05.800
our fire' ad break before we get
into listener feedback factor fictions and the conclusion

503
00:36:06.119 --> 00:36:12.159
of this iteration of Kappa Club.
So listeners, these ads have keep the

504
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505
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506
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507
00:36:22.039 --> 00:36:23.679
and we are back all right,
Brent. As always, you put out

508
00:36:23.679 --> 00:36:28.760
the spidy signal for a listener questions. So what do we got this week?

509
00:36:28.920 --> 00:36:31.440
Oh yeah, we have three come
into this week from Jim. Do

510
00:36:31.519 --> 00:36:36.559
you feel like Insomniac Spider Man two
has been a disappointment with the lack of

511
00:36:36.639 --> 00:36:39.159
DLC since its release? And do
you think it should have been released in

512
00:36:39.199 --> 00:36:44.760
February, March or April and twenty
four to have had a more complete game?

513
00:36:46.360 --> 00:36:49.400
I want to take that least perfect. What does he mean by a

514
00:36:49.440 --> 00:36:52.960
more complete game. I've seen some
people say they thought the game was too

515
00:36:52.960 --> 00:36:54.920
short and it should have been longer. I don't know definitively that's what Jim

516
00:36:55.000 --> 00:37:00.360
is referring to, but I have
seen that sentiment out there. I'll answer

517
00:37:00.400 --> 00:37:04.719
that with I think the game was
I love the story of the game.

518
00:37:04.760 --> 00:37:09.000
I thought it was a full complete
story, so I would not have delayed

519
00:37:09.000 --> 00:37:14.280
it for waiting on any more of
the main story. To look at his

520
00:37:14.320 --> 00:37:16.280
first question, do I think it's
been a disappointment with the lack of DLC,

521
00:37:16.679 --> 00:37:21.039
Yes, I do, because the
only DLC they've had since it came

522
00:37:21.079 --> 00:37:24.480
out was a bunch of extra costumes, most of which frankly I think are

523
00:37:24.519 --> 00:37:30.480
kind of ugly, and some of
costumes from the first game. A lot

524
00:37:30.519 --> 00:37:32.719
of I'm kind of offended by some
of the costumes. They're just I just

525
00:37:32.719 --> 00:37:37.360
don't think they're very good. Like
it's real hard for me not to like

526
00:37:37.400 --> 00:37:39.400
a Spider Man costume, because in
general I just like the overall premise.

527
00:37:39.719 --> 00:37:46.199
But man, they the lack of
story mode DLC has been disappointing at this

528
00:37:46.239 --> 00:37:50.639
point. The fifth of Jack also
saying a Spider Man two should have d

529
00:37:51.039 --> 00:37:54.079
DLC, Well, especially with again
I'm not gonna spoil it, and you

530
00:37:54.119 --> 00:37:58.679
know what I'm referring to. There's
one major thing that happens in one of

531
00:37:58.679 --> 00:38:01.039
the side missions that leads to a
major character like you're like, oh my

532
00:38:01.159 --> 00:38:05.880
god, what and what they have
in their possession now, it's just like,

533
00:38:06.239 --> 00:38:09.159
there's your DLC right there. And
if they're not gonna do DLC,

534
00:38:09.360 --> 00:38:15.760
because we haven't heard anything official saying
they are going to do DLC outside of

535
00:38:15.800 --> 00:38:22.440
costume drops, We've seen supposed leaks
of a timeline for what they're gonna do,

536
00:38:22.519 --> 00:38:25.000
but that's never been officially confirmed,
and they never have said they're doing

537
00:38:25.000 --> 00:38:34.199
any additional single player DLC as far
as I remember, have they Oh you're

538
00:38:34.280 --> 00:38:42.519
muted. I'm not sure why that
just happened, weird. It has certainly

539
00:38:42.599 --> 00:38:46.119
been alluded to. But yes,
the Flame storyline, I could remember the

540
00:38:46.199 --> 00:38:49.239
name. I'm like the Fire one. What was it? It's called the

541
00:38:49.280 --> 00:38:53.760
Flame Like those side missions the way
they ended put it on a tee to

542
00:38:53.920 --> 00:38:58.760
have a DLC storyline. The thing
it was like some of the best that

543
00:38:59.039 --> 00:39:01.000
one of the best side missions because
of revelation, but because of the build

544
00:39:01.039 --> 00:39:04.880
up to it, It was by
far my favorite, and it built off

545
00:39:04.920 --> 00:39:07.920
of things from the first game and
the DLC in the first game, which,

546
00:39:07.920 --> 00:39:09.199
again, if you haven't played,
I don't want to. I don't

547
00:39:09.199 --> 00:39:14.679
want to spoil for people, but
the DLC in the first game, it

548
00:39:15.440 --> 00:39:17.280
like, I like those stories.
I thought they were fun stories, and

549
00:39:17.320 --> 00:39:21.519
then they they were short, they
were quick. That was cool, but

550
00:39:21.760 --> 00:39:25.920
it gave us a little bit more. That's personally all I want Slash need

551
00:39:25.920 --> 00:39:29.199
out of this, Like, just
give me one more little mission, you

552
00:39:29.239 --> 00:39:35.760
know, like these three little things
that combine one little good playing Afternoon just

553
00:39:35.760 --> 00:39:40.199
had a bunch of Funko pops fall
over and it's it was Green Lantern and

554
00:39:40.239 --> 00:39:47.000
Nova coincidentally enough, Yes, I
think the DLC has been disappointing. They

555
00:39:47.199 --> 00:39:51.159
just had another update and I saw
it's getting all this press and I'm like,

556
00:39:51.679 --> 00:39:55.280
it's just new costumes. Just give
me more. Yeah, It's it's

557
00:39:55.280 --> 00:40:00.440
one of those things where and I'm
trying to pull up from some interesting things,

558
00:40:00.480 --> 00:40:07.480
like one of the one of the
biggest things that has plagued this game

559
00:40:08.360 --> 00:40:15.039
is how much it costs to make
and how much it actually sold. Looking

560
00:40:15.119 --> 00:40:22.599
at a number at the November of
twenty twenty three had sold six point one

561
00:40:22.679 --> 00:40:27.440
million units. I don't know if
that's a lot or not. I have

562
00:40:27.519 --> 00:40:30.719
no context for that in video games. And you know, again, in

563
00:40:30.760 --> 00:40:35.280
eleven days it hit five million.
But I don't think I'm not I let's

564
00:40:35.280 --> 00:40:37.840
see Inslomonic Spider Man two swings past
ten million. So they swung past ten

565
00:40:37.920 --> 00:40:45.199
million sold in twenty twenty four,
so it's it's this is coming from IGN

566
00:40:45.400 --> 00:40:51.199
fastest selling PlayStation over a twenty four
hour period when it sold more than two

567
00:40:51.239 --> 00:40:54.519
point five million copies in a day, which is great, but the amount

568
00:40:54.599 --> 00:41:01.199
that it cost to make Spider Man
two Devil Costs ran thirty million over the

569
00:41:01.199 --> 00:41:07.519
original two hundred and seventy million dollar
budget. Ultimately needed to sell seven point

570
00:41:07.519 --> 00:41:10.199
two million units to break even.
Oh well, they're well pass that,

571
00:41:10.800 --> 00:41:19.079
They're will pass that. But I
think at I think at that point it's

572
00:41:19.119 --> 00:41:23.000
one of those situations where they had
so much, so much to make up

573
00:41:23.119 --> 00:41:28.599
in the sense of getting back the
production costs and the delays and everything like

574
00:41:28.639 --> 00:41:31.519
that. Like people seem to forget
how much it takes now to make a

575
00:41:31.599 --> 00:41:36.679
video game. Sure, it's kind
of caliber, especially when people complain about

576
00:41:37.119 --> 00:41:38.800
oh, it's a seventy dollars game. Remember when it used to be sixty

577
00:41:39.400 --> 00:41:43.760
You're lucky. It's still You're lucky. It only has gone up to now

578
00:41:43.800 --> 00:41:49.480
seventy dollars. These games could easily
be one hundred dollars. And I've had

579
00:41:49.480 --> 00:41:53.079
this debate on different streams at this
point, where where's the red line for

580
00:41:53.199 --> 00:41:57.519
people when it's going to cost too
much. We haven't hit that yet.

581
00:41:57.599 --> 00:42:00.559
We're at seventy dollars for most Triple
A games, but there may come to

582
00:42:00.599 --> 00:42:06.239
a time where it's gonna creep up
again because again, it costs more than

583
00:42:06.280 --> 00:42:08.559
studios get out of these games.
They don't make money on these games.

584
00:42:08.599 --> 00:42:12.719
They make money on uh uh,
well, I take it back. They

585
00:42:12.800 --> 00:42:15.119
make they try to make money on
the games, but it's all the accessories,

586
00:42:15.280 --> 00:42:17.320
everything like that. They sell the
hardware at a loss. Well,

587
00:42:17.400 --> 00:42:22.239
at this point, if they're if
they needed to sell seven million units and

588
00:42:22.239 --> 00:42:24.320
they've sold ten, they've made money
on the game, and I know they

589
00:42:24.360 --> 00:42:29.719
could. They're putting some of that
into the DLC because I believe playable DLC

590
00:42:29.840 --> 00:42:31.880
is coming. They already have the
character models for it, they already have

591
00:42:31.960 --> 00:42:35.360
the maps, they already have a
lot of It's not like they're starting from

592
00:42:35.440 --> 00:42:38.360
scratch, crews starting from zero,
so it's worth noting. But yes,

593
00:42:38.519 --> 00:42:44.119
ultimately I I think the DLCs have
been a disappointment. I would not have

594
00:42:44.199 --> 00:42:47.360
held the game though, just for
more. I think the game, to

595
00:42:47.480 --> 00:42:51.719
me, the first the release of
the game should be a full, complete

596
00:42:51.760 --> 00:42:54.760
story, and I think they gave
us that. So I overall that that

597
00:42:54.800 --> 00:43:00.360
would be my ultimate answer. And
from what we understand, when we gets

598
00:43:00.400 --> 00:43:04.519
Spider Man three, it's gonna be
a miles focus and it's time. It

599
00:43:04.639 --> 00:43:07.199
is time to get it. I'm
fine with that, and I wouldn't at

600
00:43:07.239 --> 00:43:09.840
all be upset if we had another
smaller game in between the two like we

601
00:43:09.880 --> 00:43:13.559
did the first Miles. Yeah,
and even upon reflection, like I didn't

602
00:43:13.559 --> 00:43:15.239
play any of the DLC from the
first game, it really didn't interest me

603
00:43:15.320 --> 00:43:17.960
that much. I'm not saying it
was bad, it's just what it was.

604
00:43:20.119 --> 00:43:22.679
I've never been It's it wasn't enough
for me to PLoP down the money

605
00:43:22.719 --> 00:43:29.440
at that point, but it I
really did enjoy playing the game. I

606
00:43:29.760 --> 00:43:35.199
the idea of what should be one
of the DLCs based off that side mission.

607
00:43:35.639 --> 00:43:38.079
How the inside mission ended up.
Yeah, that if it's gonna be

608
00:43:38.119 --> 00:43:43.119
that, Yeah, that might get
me to PLoP down about maybe ten dollars

609
00:43:43.280 --> 00:43:45.440
or so whatever they're going to charge
to play it at that point. But

610
00:43:45.480 --> 00:43:50.239
I'm with you. Those costumes they've
been putting out there, majority of them

611
00:43:50.280 --> 00:43:53.199
in my opinion, have been terrible. Yeah, they just yeah, So

612
00:43:53.400 --> 00:43:58.039
all right, let's go on.
Anthony says, you get to pitch a

613
00:43:58.119 --> 00:44:02.280
mutant related movie and show to Marvel
for phase seven. What are your pitches?

614
00:44:04.119 --> 00:44:08.000
Mutant related? Are we basically saying
it's not like just MU doesn't have

615
00:44:08.079 --> 00:44:12.840
to be X dismute related. Mute
and related is what he said. So

616
00:44:13.000 --> 00:44:15.559
could be X Men, could be
something else. I want my Black Ops

617
00:44:15.719 --> 00:44:23.079
X four series, sure, okay, X Sports and movie animated project.

618
00:44:23.119 --> 00:44:29.119
I want it based off of the
Remainder run. I would like a Nightcrawler

619
00:44:29.480 --> 00:44:32.679
movie with basically his origin growing up
in Germany and everything he goes through.

620
00:44:32.800 --> 00:44:37.400
And I would want, you know, Mistique and Destiny involved. You got

621
00:44:37.400 --> 00:44:40.320
to have his parents in there somewhere, So the Nightcrawler would be my movie.

622
00:44:40.639 --> 00:44:49.920
What about a show? A show
they would have ga Appeal high school

623
00:44:49.920 --> 00:44:54.280
team drama about a teenager mutant who
just goes to school there. I want

624
00:44:54.320 --> 00:44:58.119
one of the X Men just goes
to school there. I would just do

625
00:44:58.400 --> 00:45:00.599
call it. You know they your
school for higher learning. Just do a

626
00:45:00.639 --> 00:45:06.599
show just titled something like that.
You know exactly the goings on, and

627
00:45:06.639 --> 00:45:08.400
you don't. Maybe you get a
mission or two out of it, but

628
00:45:08.519 --> 00:45:13.400
it's not every episode, not even
close. Not in a mission on purpose,

629
00:45:13.800 --> 00:45:16.440
just a mission by circumstance, probably
because you know it's the X Mansion.

630
00:45:16.440 --> 00:45:20.880
It's gonna get attacked, Juggernaut is
gonna come bareling through or something.

631
00:45:21.159 --> 00:45:22.840
You had to rebuild that sucker every
five minutes, right, that's right,

632
00:45:23.000 --> 00:45:29.880
Gonna keep those keep those construction crews
and work all right? What have we

633
00:45:29.880 --> 00:45:35.800
got next? Last last up from
Omari Daniels. What MCU moment always makes

634
00:45:35.840 --> 00:45:38.679
you laugh no matter how often you
revisit it. For me, it's Trevor

635
00:45:38.719 --> 00:45:44.280
and Chung Chi talking about the planet
of the Apes. For me, it

636
00:45:44.360 --> 00:45:49.199
has been and continues to be Get
Help. I love get help. My

637
00:45:49.239 --> 00:45:52.719
wife and I will bring it up
every so often, and it continues making

638
00:45:52.719 --> 00:45:58.519
me laugh. I don't care.
I unapologetically enjoy thor Ragnarok. I like

639
00:45:58.679 --> 00:46:01.119
serious. I also like love and
thunder. Yeah, we doubled down a

640
00:46:01.119 --> 00:46:04.360
little too much on that one.
That's where we went a little bit over

641
00:46:04.440 --> 00:46:07.760
tide. But Ragnarok, I have
no apologies for like that movie, and

642
00:46:07.800 --> 00:46:12.360
Get Help is one of it is
my the my favorite scene from that movie.

643
00:46:12.440 --> 00:46:15.119
You mentioned Love and Thunder and I
started chuckling at some of the jokes

644
00:46:15.119 --> 00:46:19.159
in that movie. But my real, my real answer. The first one

645
00:46:19.239 --> 00:46:22.119
is also Thor related. Coincidentally enough, Okay, I can think of two,

646
00:46:22.199 --> 00:46:27.440
but the first one I really thought
of is a scene I mentioned before

647
00:46:27.559 --> 00:46:31.199
in Thor The Dark World when they
recruit Loki to help them get off of

648
00:46:31.280 --> 00:46:37.960
as Guard and they're just walking and
Loki is basically mocking Thor and he turns

649
00:46:38.000 --> 00:46:44.639
into Chris Evans's Captain America. That
gets me every time, every time,

650
00:46:44.800 --> 00:46:50.400
cracks me up. The cameo we
never thought we needed and UH have no

651
00:46:50.480 --> 00:46:52.760
clue what was gonna happen. It
just absolutely broke me the first time I

652
00:46:52.760 --> 00:46:55.960
saw it, and I've loved it
ever since. The other Thor related scene

653
00:46:57.000 --> 00:47:00.079
I thought of was when he goes
into like the had store into shouts he

654
00:47:00.119 --> 00:47:05.719
needs a horse. I need a
horse. Well, interest enough. My

655
00:47:05.840 --> 00:47:12.400
other one would be tangentially thor related
in this case Loki at that point where

656
00:47:13.440 --> 00:47:15.880
where Loki facing down Hulk and just
yelling out of me grabs him and just

657
00:47:15.880 --> 00:47:21.039
boom boo boo boo boo, puny
God, just yeah, because at that

658
00:47:21.079 --> 00:47:24.599
point I was just like, yeah, shut them up, please, We've

659
00:47:24.599 --> 00:47:29.519
come a long way, mister Loki. And we have Pepper walking in on

660
00:47:29.599 --> 00:47:31.440
Tony Stark changing out of his Iron
Man suit, says, this is not

661
00:47:31.519 --> 00:47:35.719
the worst thing you've walked in on
me doing. That's pretty good. There's

662
00:47:35.800 --> 00:47:38.199
so many moments that even though I
know they're coming, I still laugh at

663
00:47:38.239 --> 00:47:42.719
them. But that that Loki is
Captain America moment for me, and I

664
00:47:42.800 --> 00:47:45.639
knew for I just knew you would
say get help. I knew you knew

665
00:47:45.679 --> 00:47:49.599
at that point. So but it's
it's it's a great scene. It's a

666
00:47:49.679 --> 00:47:52.000
great scene. Yeah you said,
it is one of the funniest scenes in

667
00:47:52.000 --> 00:47:59.360
that movie for sure. Besides that
it's my birthday. You know that's funny.

668
00:47:59.400 --> 00:48:04.079
But I like I like the get
help scene even more. Fifth of

669
00:48:04.159 --> 00:48:07.719
Jack America's Ask scene against Me or
the classic on your left or Kathleen on

670
00:48:07.760 --> 00:48:12.440
your left. Okay, now you
have to go into that. How funny

671
00:48:12.519 --> 00:48:15.719
is that to you there, Brad, Yeah, funny, but it's not

672
00:48:15.760 --> 00:48:19.039
funny because of the show. It's
not funny because of the movie. It's

673
00:48:19.079 --> 00:48:23.159
funny because of the charity trivia contest
we were doing. And I asked the

674
00:48:23.239 --> 00:48:29.239
question, what was the very first
line spoken in a Russo's Marvel movie?

675
00:48:29.400 --> 00:48:32.960
The answer is on your left And
the individual in question did not get the

676
00:48:34.039 --> 00:48:37.239
question right. And so now every
time I see it on your left meme,

677
00:48:37.320 --> 00:48:40.440
I send it to him, and
I just I've sent him recently private

678
00:48:40.440 --> 00:48:43.920
tiktoks. He's like, I swear
I thought that was gonna be an on

679
00:48:43.960 --> 00:48:49.400
your left. I'm like, no, it was arrow related. All the

680
00:48:49.440 --> 00:48:52.599
games got one too, saying akoy
is why was she up here all this

681
00:48:52.760 --> 00:48:58.679
time? When Wanda comes down to
join battle? Yep, was she up

682
00:48:58.679 --> 00:49:01.719
there all this time? Yeah?
So good, so good. Again,

683
00:49:01.760 --> 00:49:04.920
there are a lot. I mean, we're going to stop the stream and

684
00:49:04.920 --> 00:49:07.719
say, oh, we could have
mentioned that. I mean people people knock

685
00:49:07.800 --> 00:49:13.880
the MC for the the sometimes what
they call low hanging fruit. You know

686
00:49:13.920 --> 00:49:15.159
what, guess what, you can
hate it. I enjoyed it, just

687
00:49:15.199 --> 00:49:19.679
like I enjoyed DC movies, and
I enjoy how they do their their different

688
00:49:19.760 --> 00:49:22.119
kind of brand of humor. They
call it organic. That's fine. I

689
00:49:22.679 --> 00:49:28.400
can like them all and I cannot
like them all. So nope, nope,

690
00:49:28.840 --> 00:49:34.599
you're still I do not know why
that keeps happening. But my son

691
00:49:34.639 --> 00:49:36.880
told me this week, we need
to watch the Zam again because it's been

692
00:49:36.880 --> 00:49:38.440
a long time since we've seen it. Like, okay, we can find

693
00:49:38.480 --> 00:49:43.440
time to watch it there. Yeah, well, thank you James Thanking Anthony,

694
00:49:43.480 --> 00:49:45.599
thank you o Mari for your your
questions this week. That was a

695
00:49:45.599 --> 00:49:49.639
lot of fun. And uh,
all right, so fact or fictions,

696
00:49:49.719 --> 00:49:53.519
let me pull up the five from
last week. All right. Number one,

697
00:49:54.760 --> 00:49:59.159
the Midnight Suns Project will have a
team where half the roster has already

698
00:49:59.159 --> 00:50:02.920
been introduced in a prior MCU project. Sixty seven percent said fact. Thirty

699
00:50:02.920 --> 00:50:07.440
three percent said fiction number two.
Sony will debut their live action theatrical Spider

700
00:50:07.440 --> 00:50:10.880
Man within the next five years.
Fifty six percent said fact. Forty four

701
00:50:10.920 --> 00:50:15.800
percent in fiction number three, we
will not see the MCU's version of the

702
00:50:15.800 --> 00:50:21.599
Green Goblin and Venom until Spider Man. For here you go, one hundred

703
00:50:21.599 --> 00:50:28.719
percent say that is not happening.
For this is from Anthony somehow by the

704
00:50:28.760 --> 00:50:31.840
end of Venom, the last dance
Venom will have the iconic Spider Man logo.

705
00:50:32.199 --> 00:50:37.599
Eighty nine percent said not happening.
False hope, God, we hope.

706
00:50:37.599 --> 00:50:40.840
Not that they don't deserve it.
No, they haven't earned it or

707
00:50:40.880 --> 00:50:45.960
deserve it. And the final one
from Anthony Logan Wolverine will not be They

708
00:50:46.519 --> 00:50:52.920
will not be on the initial team
of the first MCU movie fifty to fifty

709
00:50:52.000 --> 00:50:58.679
split. We're not sure. So
all right, Brent, your turn this

710
00:50:58.760 --> 00:51:05.000
week? What you got for first
up? Noran Rad will also become a

711
00:51:05.079 --> 00:51:08.199
silver Surfer in the MCU. Basically, I'm say we're gonna have more than

712
00:51:08.239 --> 00:51:09.679
one. I know a lot of
people were like, oh, no,

713
00:51:09.760 --> 00:51:14.639
it's not Noron Red, and I'm
saying, I think we're gonna end up

714
00:51:14.639 --> 00:51:17.119
with two. I think he's gonna
appear regardless. Yeah, I think we

715
00:51:17.159 --> 00:51:20.920
will see him, maybe not at
the first movie, but I think we'll

716
00:51:20.920 --> 00:51:23.519
see him as a silver Surfer in
the MCU. Yeah. I'm down for

717
00:51:23.599 --> 00:51:29.079
that. I'm a fact on that. That's not that's not too big of

718
00:51:29.119 --> 00:51:30.039
a stretch where it's like, ah, but they're done one, No,

719
00:51:30.280 --> 00:51:37.039
we can we can have you know, our our current our newest anointed silver

720
00:51:37.159 --> 00:51:42.000
Surfer, make reference to her,
her husband, lover or whatever they're gonna

721
00:51:42.000 --> 00:51:45.079
call them at that point of being
a previous silver Surfer and kind of see

722
00:51:45.119 --> 00:51:52.440
a a look at what they was
that he was. So I'm down all

723
00:51:52.559 --> 00:51:58.119
right. Next up we will see
a Fox X Men actor and Deadpool and

724
00:51:58.119 --> 00:52:06.119
Wolverine. But it might be archival
footage, so someone that Cyclops could show

725
00:52:06.159 --> 00:52:08.480
up, James Martsen could show up
a Cyclops, but but it a flashback.

726
00:52:09.559 --> 00:52:13.199
I'm saying that it might just be
archive. Like, I don't necessarily

727
00:52:13.239 --> 00:52:16.079
think they will have filmed something new, but I could see them using archival

728
00:52:16.119 --> 00:52:22.880
footage and at third act flashback.
Sure, sure, Sorry, I just

729
00:52:22.880 --> 00:52:25.880
wanted to use that line for the
trailer. Uh yeah I could. I

730
00:52:25.880 --> 00:52:30.239
could kind of see that that would
that would be that that would fit,

731
00:52:30.599 --> 00:52:34.960
that would fit the movie. So
yeah, fact, yeah, I'm a

732
00:52:35.000 --> 00:52:37.480
fact. I think they'll use it
somewhere. And finally, you know,

733
00:52:37.519 --> 00:52:39.559
I told you earlier today I was
trying to think of a third one,

734
00:52:39.599 --> 00:52:43.559
and I did think of a third
one. I was thinking about what's gonna

735
00:52:43.559 --> 00:52:45.559
happen in the short term with me
being gone, I've alluded to it already

736
00:52:45.760 --> 00:52:51.440
this evening, substantial Spider Man four
news will drop. Well, I am

737
00:52:51.480 --> 00:52:54.639
gone over the next three weeks.
I take the little hanging fruit. Why

738
00:52:54.639 --> 00:53:00.679
don't you Hey, I thought of
it earlier today. That's that's okay,

739
00:53:00.719 --> 00:53:08.199
fair enough, Sure, why not? I'm saying a fact, But I

740
00:53:08.199 --> 00:53:12.320
think it'll be it'll I think it'll
leak, but it'll leak from the reliable

741
00:53:12.320 --> 00:53:16.280
sources because I think it'll come out
before San Diego. But we don't know

742
00:53:16.719 --> 00:53:21.559
where you're not. You know,
you're not just saying some quote unquote substantial

743
00:53:21.679 --> 00:53:23.519
something that we will well know when
we see it. Something will think that's

744
00:53:23.519 --> 00:53:28.400
substantial, gotcha, something We will
know and we'll see it. So telling

745
00:53:28.440 --> 00:53:35.159
me that Tom Holland signed for it
isn't substantial by the way. There you

746
00:53:35.239 --> 00:53:40.639
go, So all right, there
you go. We will I will post

747
00:53:40.679 --> 00:53:46.920
those as they as usual on Sunday
afternoons. Let your voices be heard,

748
00:53:47.360 --> 00:53:52.159
and our guests will be coming in
the next couple of weeks. Will do

749
00:53:52.199 --> 00:53:54.119
in Factor fiction is because that's there. That's their crutch they have to bear

750
00:53:54.199 --> 00:53:58.360
is coming up with Factor Fiction's David
has to do possibly for two weeks in

751
00:53:58.360 --> 00:54:02.079
a row. Let you guys worry
about that. Yeah, that's that's an

752
00:54:02.159 --> 00:54:07.039
avid problem. That's not a meat
problem. I'm sure he's. I'm sure

753
00:54:07.079 --> 00:54:13.239
as he's a good listener. He
is. He is already, he's already

754
00:54:13.239 --> 00:54:15.400
coming up with stuff or has,
like you, a backlog of ideas.

755
00:54:15.440 --> 00:54:21.079
He probably does, so, all
right, so let us I know we

756
00:54:21.159 --> 00:54:24.079
had said originally and this is I'm
sorry for listeners that do follow along with

757
00:54:24.239 --> 00:54:29.719
our compook club that we said we
were going to be just doing issue four,

758
00:54:29.760 --> 00:54:31.559
but with Brent leaving, we didn't
want to hold it off for three

759
00:54:31.599 --> 00:54:37.599
weeks at that point, so we
did an audible and we'll be doing issues

760
00:54:37.639 --> 00:54:43.599
four and five, concluding our exploration
of Deadpool Kills the Marvel Universe again.

761
00:54:45.400 --> 00:54:51.920
So looking at issue four, I
will have to say this is my favorite

762
00:54:51.920 --> 00:54:57.119
issue more so just due to the
action sequences that took place. It was

763
00:54:57.159 --> 00:54:59.880
a good one. It was a
good one. I like the Deadpool Ultra

764
00:55:00.039 --> 00:55:07.159
on Combo mm hmm, especially where
it's ripping off the helmet and and doing

765
00:55:07.159 --> 00:55:12.599
more damage to him than Yeah,
necessary, that was a good scene for

766
00:55:12.639 --> 00:55:14.840
sure. You know, he's not
really worried about it. He'll heal up

767
00:55:14.880 --> 00:55:16.320
in a couple of monutes. Yeah, he'll heal up at that point.

768
00:55:16.719 --> 00:55:22.440
But I do appreciate. I think
it was more tragic and how they did

769
00:55:22.440 --> 00:55:29.000
it with taking down the killing the
power pack and this Marvel and and Devil

770
00:55:29.079 --> 00:55:34.280
dinosaurs. That harsh that. I
mean, it was one of those that

771
00:55:34.400 --> 00:55:38.320
SA's like, oh yeah, they
they I'm surprised they even did it.

772
00:55:38.559 --> 00:55:43.039
I mean, one, I didn't
think it was necessary. If I have

773
00:55:43.079 --> 00:55:45.239
to be there, did I really
need to see this go down? Did

774
00:55:45.239 --> 00:55:46.639
I? Ever? Oh, they
didn't take down the power pack and miss

775
00:55:46.679 --> 00:55:51.119
Marvel up their heroes out there.
Now, I've never been a fan of

776
00:55:51.159 --> 00:55:54.440
Pierpark. I know. I know
Travis Hines is a big fan of a

777
00:55:54.480 --> 00:55:59.239
power pack. He he talks about
it quite often. He always likes putting

778
00:55:59.239 --> 00:56:06.639
it out there, power pack.
But but that was one that they did

779
00:56:06.679 --> 00:56:13.119
it taste they quote unquote did it
tastefully. But it wasn't necessary. But

780
00:56:13.159 --> 00:56:16.760
it was one of those that kind
of showed how far he had gone down

781
00:56:16.840 --> 00:56:21.559
this brainwashing path for sure. And
then I was surprised to see gwin Pool

782
00:56:21.639 --> 00:56:24.559
still alive. No, I kind
of thought the villains would have would have

783
00:56:24.639 --> 00:56:30.519
killed her. Yeah, it's one
of those where, yeah, I don't

784
00:56:30.559 --> 00:56:35.760
know it. She ended up kind
of doing the breakthrough moment on him.

785
00:56:35.880 --> 00:56:42.760
So yeah, I did have to
kind of laugh at the Deadpool putting Daredevil

786
00:56:42.920 --> 00:56:45.679
on the stand in the courtroom.
That that did get a jungle out of

787
00:56:45.760 --> 00:56:50.159
me. That that was also on
brand as well. And then as he's

788
00:56:50.199 --> 00:56:54.320
actually killing him, calling him a
hostile witness. But the the thing about

789
00:56:54.400 --> 00:56:58.960
saying whenever you punched a ninja,
do you actually say talk to the hand?

790
00:56:59.280 --> 00:57:04.079
I legitly felt loud at that.
I was not expecting that, you

791
00:57:04.119 --> 00:57:07.400
know that, That's what at least
that I appreciated the gimmick they were doing

792
00:57:07.559 --> 00:57:15.519
in understanding like how what he was
experiencing at this moment where these were not

793
00:57:15.719 --> 00:57:19.000
working, you know what he was
going through, you know. Yeah,

794
00:57:19.000 --> 00:57:22.199
and he goes all fast and furious, racing for pink slips with the ghostwriter.

795
00:57:22.719 --> 00:57:27.079
Pretty good there. Yeah, but
uh yeah, Gwen Poole, I

796
00:57:27.159 --> 00:57:30.119
had to go back and reread it
just understanding what the trigger was that wasn't

797
00:57:30.239 --> 00:57:38.760
like really clear necessarily. So but
all right, so that is that issue,

798
00:57:38.760 --> 00:57:42.960
and I tell you what I do, like the the next week,

799
00:57:43.920 --> 00:57:46.639
how they did that cover, not
like the actual cover, but the next

800
00:57:46.679 --> 00:57:52.280
week like preview cover. That was
pretty good. Sure, so, uh

801
00:57:52.400 --> 00:57:54.320
so what did you think about the
conclusion? Actually, no, it ended

802
00:57:54.360 --> 00:57:59.079
up being that that ended up being
an actual cover. Never mind, What

803
00:57:59.079 --> 00:58:05.920
did you think about this one?
The final issue? Well, that cover

804
00:58:06.039 --> 00:58:07.880
so smile You're Dead. And the
first thing I noticed was, oh,

805
00:58:07.960 --> 00:58:12.679
that was in the trailer, the
Deadpool and Wolverine trailer, the smile your

806
00:58:12.719 --> 00:58:17.320
Dead bullet or gun or whatever,
which I guess I presume this is where

807
00:58:17.320 --> 00:58:21.039
that came from. I hadn't seen
that before. I hadn't read this story

808
00:58:21.079 --> 00:58:23.639
before. I liked him taking on
carnage, even that one. I'm like,

809
00:58:23.679 --> 00:58:27.760
man, he got some of these. I'm like, how did Deadpool

810
00:58:27.800 --> 00:58:30.679
manage just wing this? Even Carnage
was one that made me question it.

811
00:58:30.079 --> 00:58:35.239
But a very gruesome finish, and
well that's carnage, so who cares?

812
00:58:35.599 --> 00:58:38.119
Yeah, and it's it is what
it is at that point. But he

813
00:58:38.159 --> 00:58:40.719
had already faced down Venoms, so
he kind of had an idea of how

814
00:58:40.719 --> 00:58:45.280
to take him down. There was
a character I couldn't tell who he was

815
00:58:45.320 --> 00:58:47.920
going after. He like, he
took out the leader, he took out

816
00:58:47.960 --> 00:58:52.400
mysterio and then the final panel of
that page. I wasn't sure who that

817
00:58:52.480 --> 00:58:57.199
was supposed to be, somebody that
he's burning their head with. Hm,

818
00:59:00.320 --> 00:59:06.639
Yeah, I'm not sure which page
is at page eight and Marvel Limited.

819
00:59:07.880 --> 00:59:12.639
Yeah, you're right, that one. I'm not sure about everyone else we

820
00:59:12.679 --> 00:59:15.360
could determine. Yeah, everyone else, you could tell who it is,

821
00:59:15.400 --> 00:59:17.280
but that one. I stared at
it for a while. I'm like,

822
00:59:17.320 --> 00:59:20.599
I'm not figuring it out, and
I moved on, and the next page

823
00:59:20.639 --> 00:59:23.800
was, well, Kingpin, he's
gone bulls Eye versus Bullseye and Batchhock the

824
00:59:23.840 --> 00:59:30.559
Lib versus Deadpool. That was a
fun fight. Yeah, it was.

825
00:59:30.800 --> 00:59:34.159
It was interesting, especially how he's
trying to play them against each other that

826
00:59:34.280 --> 00:59:37.280
you know, you're just gonna betray
each other, right, yes, yes,

827
00:59:37.400 --> 00:59:40.119
But how he took down Bullseye.
Yeah, I'm never gonna I'm always

828
00:59:40.119 --> 00:59:44.679
gonna be like, how how bad
can we take him down? Yeah?

829
00:59:44.760 --> 00:59:47.280
That's fine there. I like how
he took down Green Goblin. The look

830
00:59:47.320 --> 00:59:51.920
on Goblin's face as he got decapitated, it got a chuckle out of me.

831
00:59:52.360 --> 00:59:54.239
Yeah, I would agree. Now, what did you think about that

832
00:59:54.280 --> 01:00:04.679
interaction with with Magneto That whole scene. Magneto could have also probably destroyed him.

833
01:00:04.719 --> 01:00:07.320
At this point, he's surrounded by
metal. It looks like just to

834
01:00:07.360 --> 01:00:10.840
impale him over and over again and
plumped him off to space or something probably

835
01:00:10.880 --> 01:00:15.679
could have done it, but Magneto
just feels so defeated over everything that's happened.

836
01:00:15.840 --> 01:00:20.239
I get why he didn't do it, and I like that Deadpool let

837
01:00:20.320 --> 01:00:22.079
him live like that was his way
of killing him. Was Nope, you

838
01:00:22.159 --> 01:00:24.199
have to live with all this,
just like I have to live with it

839
01:00:24.239 --> 01:00:31.719
too. So what do you think
about the final fight? Uh, it

840
01:00:31.840 --> 01:00:36.960
was fine. It just it wrapped
up really quickly. I thought that was

841
01:00:37.079 --> 01:00:39.440
very anticlimactic. Again, I thought
it was gonna be a little bit better.

842
01:00:40.039 --> 01:00:43.360
It's like, it feels like there
should have been another issue. I'm

843
01:00:43.400 --> 01:00:45.039
like, that's it. That's the
end of the story, okay, And

844
01:00:45.079 --> 01:00:47.519
like they're like, you don't even
know if you're awake right now. Well

845
01:00:47.840 --> 01:00:52.480
we know that Deadpool was awake right
now and actually killed the Red Skull because

846
01:00:52.480 --> 01:00:55.239
of the way they were changing the
art whenever he was in his own mind.

847
01:00:55.719 --> 01:01:01.800
But it just felt, yeah,
anticlimactic, that's the way to go.

848
01:01:02.800 --> 01:01:05.800
It just was like, oh,
that's it, it's over. I

849
01:01:05.880 --> 01:01:07.119
feel like there should be a six
issue, but I guess there's not.

850
01:01:07.840 --> 01:01:14.400
I like the first series better than
this one. I I I would agree

851
01:01:14.440 --> 01:01:20.119
with that this one. I was
very about it, and that's what I

852
01:01:20.159 --> 01:01:22.199
was kind of worried about. But
I'm glad I did read it. I

853
01:01:22.519 --> 01:01:27.079
appreciated the gimmick, how they were, how they were doing it. But

854
01:01:27.639 --> 01:01:30.559
it was Yeah, it just wasn't
good. It's interesting. We've read now

855
01:01:30.760 --> 01:01:36.559
too, you know old Man Logan
and this that it basically ended with the

856
01:01:36.599 --> 01:01:40.639
Red Skull in so many ways getting
decapitated. Well that's fine, Yeah,

857
01:01:40.639 --> 01:01:45.119
it's okay. We Yeah, a
Nazi deserves to be at that point in

858
01:01:45.199 --> 01:01:47.400
surprise, he did just crush the
skull as it was talking to him or

859
01:01:47.440 --> 01:01:51.480
fake talking to him, however you
want to look at him. So but

860
01:01:51.559 --> 01:01:54.360
yeah, so this was this was
good. You know, it's it's one

861
01:01:54.360 --> 01:02:00.280
of those rare cads where we both
have not read the the storyline. So

862
01:02:00.599 --> 01:02:01.639
but yeah, like we said,
we're going to be taking a break from

863
01:02:01.679 --> 01:02:07.320
Comboo Club until after Dead Pulm Wolverine. Uh you know this time this upcoming

864
01:02:07.320 --> 01:02:12.679
home will be the you know listeners
on Twitter that will get to choose which

865
01:02:12.679 --> 01:02:15.280
one we do. We don't know
the we don't know what the theme is

866
01:02:15.280 --> 01:02:17.079
going to be, and therefore we
don't know the issues. So but we've

867
01:02:17.079 --> 01:02:21.199
got some time to think about it. So we'll figure it out. We

868
01:02:21.239 --> 01:02:25.559
will, we will, we will
and so yeah, so that is volume

869
01:02:25.599 --> 01:02:30.519
two hundred and nineteen in the books. So Brent, tell people they can

870
01:02:30.519 --> 01:02:35.000
follow you, Uh yeah, Brent
tech Prime on the socials. Pick your

871
01:02:35.000 --> 01:02:37.280
social network. That's my handle on
it. Yep, and same thing with

872
01:02:37.400 --> 01:02:42.119
me. You can follow me and
all the socials at Chris Balagan can follow

873
01:02:42.119 --> 01:02:45.239
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874
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877
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878
01:03:04.239 --> 01:03:07.000
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879
01:03:07.000 --> 01:03:10.000
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880
01:03:10.039 --> 01:03:15.719
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881
01:03:15.960 --> 01:03:19.920
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882
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883
01:03:23.159 --> 01:03:25.440
Thank you all for joining us live
in the chat. Thank you all

884
01:03:25.440 --> 01:03:30.440
for listening. Stay safe out there, everyone, safe travels Brent and as

885
01:03:30.480 --> 01:03:37.880
stand the man would say, excelsy
or true believers. All right. So,

886
01:03:38.920 --> 01:03:42.280
yep, as we talked about at
the beginning of the show, talked

887
01:03:42.280 --> 01:03:45.840
about last week, yep, I
do my annual trip to Heroes Con and

888
01:03:45.360 --> 01:03:51.920
Charlotte. So I last year it
was great. It was one of those

889
01:03:51.960 --> 01:03:57.119
where you know, on Friday,
always my objective is to knock out as

890
01:03:57.239 --> 01:04:00.119
many of the big time creators first
because Friday is usually your low attended day

891
01:04:00.119 --> 01:04:06.119
because during the week Saturdays where everyone
comes out because it's the weekend. So

892
01:04:06.480 --> 01:04:12.119
I had, you know, as
I was telling my friends even to Aaron's

893
01:04:12.119 --> 01:04:15.480
like after going, since they came
back from Pandemic, I've gotten to know

894
01:04:15.519 --> 01:04:17.599
how the com. I mean,
I went to the com before Pandemic,

895
01:04:17.639 --> 01:04:23.039
but this is I kind of found
out and started learning how they operate,

896
01:04:23.119 --> 01:04:26.840
how to do this, and this
is probably the most I have ever been

897
01:04:26.880 --> 01:04:31.719
prepared going into this Con in the
sense of what my attack of plan was

898
01:04:32.159 --> 01:04:35.679
the least amount of books I had
planned on getting signed at that point.

899
01:04:36.639 --> 01:04:41.639
But my objective, my number one
objective, you know, we you know.

900
01:04:41.679 --> 01:04:47.159
I alluded to how my objective last
time was getting Rick Lenardi to do

901
01:04:47.239 --> 01:04:53.599
a sketch and that ended uh,
not so well. We'll put it an

902
01:04:53.599 --> 01:04:57.360
interesting bait and switch that he decided
to pull on me, but that didn't

903
01:04:57.440 --> 01:05:02.239
end up happening. So my objective
this time was my new favorite writer it's

904
01:05:02.239 --> 01:05:08.559
been the last couple of years artists
currently the current lead now just the writer,

905
01:05:08.760 --> 01:05:12.960
but restarted as writer and artists of
the new Transformist series for the ener

906
01:05:13.039 --> 01:05:18.599
John Universe at Skybound, Daniel Warren
Johnson. So I'm gonna for those that

907
01:05:19.159 --> 01:05:23.039
I posted this on Twitter, but
I'm gonna pull it up here for those

908
01:05:23.039 --> 01:05:26.239
of watchings for these listening you just
got to let me describe. So yep,

909
01:05:26.360 --> 01:05:30.000
objective achieved. So I went up, went, I got in thirty

910
01:05:30.000 --> 01:05:33.400
minutes early because I paid a little
extra for that, and went straight to

911
01:05:33.599 --> 01:05:40.880
Daniel Warren Johnson's table because he does
four by six sketches only so many a

912
01:05:40.960 --> 01:05:43.360
day at the con, so I
had to line up and get my ticket

913
01:05:43.400 --> 01:05:48.199
for that, but not only his
first when I got there signing my Wonder

914
01:05:48.199 --> 01:05:55.079
Woman Dead Earth Black label that he
does, he does free sketches inside the

915
01:05:55.119 --> 01:05:59.559
hardcover books just as a thank you, and it is incredible because that's almost

916
01:05:59.599 --> 01:06:02.559
an hard that is there are very
few that do that now and he just

917
01:06:02.599 --> 01:06:08.760
does it. I mean the amount
of popularity that Dan Warren Johnson has garnered,

918
01:06:09.199 --> 01:06:14.519
even right before he was named writer
and artist for the initial couple of

919
01:06:14.639 --> 01:06:18.400
arcs of the Transformer series, like
he has skyrocketed to some of the best

920
01:06:18.440 --> 01:06:23.559
out there, and just the amazing
sketch he did for Wonder Woman. But

921
01:06:23.679 --> 01:06:28.159
when coming back from my four x
six at that point there was only one

922
01:06:28.199 --> 01:06:32.760
shouts I wanted, I wanted Optimist
Prime and he just watching him sketch it

923
01:06:32.800 --> 01:06:35.920
out at that point and I had
to tell him how he saved my con

924
01:06:36.039 --> 01:06:41.159
last year. He was very touched
by that, and that is my Optimist

925
01:06:41.159 --> 01:06:45.880
Prime sketch running out the autobotch rollout. So yes, So if you have

926
01:06:46.000 --> 01:06:51.760
not read Transformers the new relaunch under
Skybound, it is great. I can

927
01:06:51.880 --> 01:06:58.000
also highly recommend the mini series that
are going on at Skybound Building to a

928
01:06:58.039 --> 01:07:00.840
G I. Joe Proper series they
have done, and Duke they have done,

929
01:07:00.840 --> 01:07:04.039
Cobur Commander. Now those miniseries are
wrapped up. Now they're onto Destro

930
01:07:04.880 --> 01:07:10.199
and Scarlet, so check those out. Those are highly, highly recommended.

931
01:07:11.880 --> 01:07:17.079
But going down, I got to
meet Dan Jurgens and he got to I

932
01:07:17.119 --> 01:07:20.360
got him to sign not only my
omnibus for the Death of Return Superman,

933
01:07:20.800 --> 01:07:28.199
but also he signed my very first
comic I ever bought, Superman number eighty

934
01:07:28.199 --> 01:07:32.400
two, The Hall of Foil Superman
Back for Good. Told that that is

935
01:07:32.440 --> 01:07:35.559
my original issue. That is as
minch as he can ever get out.

936
01:07:35.599 --> 01:07:39.880
I've treated that like gold, even
as a child when I picked it up

937
01:07:39.920 --> 01:07:43.480
with my allowance money and telling him
that story. Dan Dreck is one of

938
01:07:43.559 --> 01:07:45.599
the nicest people you could ever meet. He was. He was so kind,

939
01:07:46.960 --> 01:07:49.760
really was touched by the story.
I told him, I blame you

940
01:07:49.840 --> 01:07:53.880
for getting me into this, and
he's he kind of laughed and he said,

941
01:07:54.079 --> 01:07:57.039
well, how's it working out for
He said, it is outstandingly working

942
01:07:57.079 --> 01:08:01.559
out well. Moving on, got
to meet Greg Rucca and if you're a

943
01:08:01.639 --> 01:08:09.159
DC fan, Greg Rucca Batman Infinite
Crisis, Gotham Central fifty two on top

944
01:08:09.239 --> 01:08:16.039
of his independent work with Lazaruth the
Old Guard. I brought up probably three

945
01:08:16.079 --> 01:08:20.279
omnis the Lazarth Deluxe editions involved.
He was just like, you need an

946
01:08:20.279 --> 01:08:24.000
award just for carrying that. I
said, sir, you're one of my

947
01:08:24.039 --> 01:08:29.399
favorite writers of all time. And
he wrote little quotes and every single thing

948
01:08:29.439 --> 01:08:31.439
that relates to it. But I
said, I totally got to tell him

949
01:08:31.439 --> 01:08:35.239
that Gotham Central is by far one
of the best things I've ever seen him

950
01:08:35.279 --> 01:08:40.760
write. So it was a cool
moment for that, very nice. Then

951
01:08:40.800 --> 01:08:44.840
meeting Charles sol You know, if
you're a Star Wars fan, you know

952
01:08:44.880 --> 01:08:49.199
who Charles Soul is a lot of
the writers of the High Republic stuff,

953
01:08:49.239 --> 01:08:55.439
but we know him as a Daredevil
writer, Darth Vader writer, a lot

954
01:08:55.439 --> 01:09:00.680
of independence, but Daredevil he had
that is what a lot of the stuff

955
01:09:00.680 --> 01:09:02.520
when we're hearing is born again,
it is going to be taking. And

956
01:09:02.680 --> 01:09:06.119
he actually told me that he had
been to the set and he said it

957
01:09:06.159 --> 01:09:11.840
was a very cool moment to see
some of his creations come to life.

958
01:09:12.359 --> 01:09:15.880
So yeah, I'm looking forward to
one of those for sure. Yeah.

959
01:09:15.880 --> 01:09:19.279
I got to meet Larry Hama,
legend in his own right. Gi Joe

960
01:09:19.520 --> 01:09:25.119
a real American Hero has been there
since day one on Real American Hero continue

961
01:09:25.159 --> 01:09:29.680
that journey. He had an illustrious
run on Wolverine. Really nice guy.

962
01:09:30.279 --> 01:09:35.439
Greg Ha amazing artist. But if
you have not read wonder Woman Historia,

963
01:09:35.680 --> 01:09:42.920
his art in the book he was
responsible for one of they go on books

964
01:09:42.960 --> 01:09:46.359
in black Label. Gave me a
surprise, nice sketch of wonder Woman there.

965
01:09:46.720 --> 01:09:49.520
That was cool. I mean,
I got a lot of surprise sketches.

966
01:09:50.640 --> 01:09:54.600
Next up, Scotty Young. I'd
met Scottie Young for the first time

967
01:09:54.680 --> 01:09:59.920
last year. I bought a poster. I love his art some people call

968
01:10:00.159 --> 01:10:01.800
kitty. I just love his art
style. But he did a whole Spider

969
01:10:01.920 --> 01:10:08.199
Verse poster that's hanging right over there. I love looking at it at that

970
01:10:08.319 --> 01:10:13.439
point. But I the Omnibus OZ
where he did the whole series of all

971
01:10:13.520 --> 01:10:15.960
the OZ books in his art style, that had been long out of print.

972
01:10:16.000 --> 01:10:19.399
I found an amazing deal for it
in mint condition on eBay last year,

973
01:10:19.399 --> 01:10:21.239
and I said, if he comes
back, I'm getting him to sign

974
01:10:21.279 --> 01:10:25.359
that book. And that was a
cool moment because I've read it to my

975
01:10:25.479 --> 01:10:28.680
kids a number of times, so
it's it's It was a cool moment at

976
01:10:28.720 --> 01:10:35.039
that point. Brian Stelfreese, he
was the first artist on Tanahase Coaches running

977
01:10:35.039 --> 01:10:41.800
Black Panther, and I presented him
with the omnibus, which he was quite

978
01:10:41.800 --> 01:10:45.520
surprised part. He acted like he
had never seen that omnibus before and I

979
01:10:45.560 --> 01:10:49.920
was just looking for a signature for
him. He proceeded and if you're watching

980
01:10:49.920 --> 01:10:56.159
this live around my Twitter, he
did a whole page sketch of an amazing

981
01:10:56.319 --> 01:11:00.520
black Panther. Oh yeahble that that. I was just like, oh my

982
01:11:00.560 --> 01:11:01.760
god. He was just like,
well why are you and sho He's like,

983
01:11:01.760 --> 01:11:04.640
what's wrong? He said, I
was just looking for a signature,

984
01:11:04.680 --> 01:11:08.760
sir, you you you did that? And then somebody says, well,

985
01:11:08.800 --> 01:11:12.800
this is just to thank you for
purchasing this. I think that's my favorite

986
01:11:12.840 --> 01:11:16.560
piece you've shown. For sure.
It's amazing. It is so local.

987
01:11:16.680 --> 01:11:23.159
Indie indie writer Josh Greathouse if I've
promoted him on this show a couple of

988
01:11:23.199 --> 01:11:28.439
times, but he's independently produced his
own his own indie book called Bang the

989
01:11:28.439 --> 01:11:31.640
Ballad of Ballad of the Tiger.
He's got two books out there about the

990
01:11:31.680 --> 01:11:36.560
series, but he produced this this
this is a print, but he actually

991
01:11:36.840 --> 01:11:44.119
put up the actual original sketch of
Big Barta painting a Big Barda for the

992
01:11:44.279 --> 01:11:47.640
art auction to benefit Parkinson's research that
they do every year at the show.

993
01:11:47.680 --> 01:11:51.640
So that was really cool. Jim
Shooter, we all know, we should

994
01:11:51.640 --> 01:11:58.640
all know Jim Shooter for for being
the writer for Secret Wars, the original

995
01:11:58.800 --> 01:12:04.760
Secret War series. Now what he's
holding there is my issue of It's the

996
01:12:04.800 --> 01:12:08.800
original issue of number eight. I
did not have him sign that because he

997
01:12:08.920 --> 01:12:12.159
was charging twenty dollars for a signature, so I'd just signed the omnibus.

998
01:12:12.199 --> 01:12:14.680
I was not going to be paying
forty dollars for both. But I wanted

999
01:12:14.720 --> 01:12:18.079
him to hold the issue at that
point because that issue I've had for a

1000
01:12:18.119 --> 01:12:20.760
couple of years. It was not
in great condition. I'm not looking to

1001
01:12:20.760 --> 01:12:23.920
sell it, but it was just
I just wanted the man to hold it.

1002
01:12:25.199 --> 01:12:29.560
And my last meetup this was I
was kind of surprised when I saw

1003
01:12:29.640 --> 01:12:34.159
him attending. But Mark Guggenheim,
co creator of this what series? There

1004
01:12:34.199 --> 01:12:40.119
Brent seventeen different ones. But I'm
gonna go ahead and say Arrow, Yes,

1005
01:12:40.479 --> 01:12:46.239
Arrow and the Arrow Verse. He
is a compook writer too. I

1006
01:12:46.279 --> 01:12:51.640
can highly highly highly recommend x Men
Days of Future Past Doomsday. If you

1007
01:12:51.760 --> 01:12:59.199
have not read that series, it
is basically a prequel of what led up

1008
01:12:59.239 --> 01:13:03.880
to that two issue to issue famous
story by Chris Claremont. But what he

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does in that the right the story
he weaves, Man, there are some

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I mean, we know a lot
of people died at that point, but

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how it came about, I said, bravo. But I got him to

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sign my my copy my first season
and the final season of Arrow at that

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point, because in my opinion,
those are really the those are my two

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all time favorite favorite seasons. I
mean Arrow the Raver. You know the

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love I have for the Aroo.
Yeah, oh absolutely yeah. And so

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that that is incredible, that and
that that's I would love to meet him

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someday and just say thank you for
the thousands of hours of entertainment. And

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I did. He was very touched
by it. He was even he was

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like selling like some of the scripts
from the first pilots of all this stuff,

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and he was telling me kind of
he's got a couple of television shows

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that he's currently involved in that one
of them is going to be going to

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Netflix. There they've been it's a
superhero universe, but it's of his creation.

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It's not based on any any current
ip it is his own created property,

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and he is working with God.
Was the name is kape up or

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Lanti on another project. So so
yeah, so very very enjoyable. And

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I got pretty much everything done on
Friday, So I didn't end up going

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back to the rest of the weekend
because it was one of those like I

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got all the rest of the people
I wanted to meet. It wasn't like

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I have to It was like it
would have been nice, but I've met

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him before, and so I saved
money and I came under budget with what

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I'd spent, so it was a
successful con can't can't beat that, you

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know, mission accomplished. Mission accomplished. So but we will see you all

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next week, at least I will
see you, Brent. Will see you

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all in four weeks, in a
few weeks, in a few weeks,

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so save travels, Brent. We
will see you soon and talk to you

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all next week. Bye bye,