WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.520 --> 00:00:05.679 You're ready, I'm ready. You said that was some determination. Okay, 2 00:00:05.759 --> 00:00:34.320 let's get this fucking show on the road. Hey, queens, welcome to 3 00:00:34.640 --> 00:00:38.799 on the Latch today. It is your host, Joshi Willisy the Black Gay 4 00:00:38.880 --> 00:00:42.320 Versia here. She's large and in charge today, guys, and it's going 5 00:00:42.399 --> 00:00:47.359 to be a fucking wild one. All right, come on when you're ready. 6 00:00:49.719 --> 00:00:54.200 Me not your host today, not burn and it's me JP longhand Oh 7 00:00:54.320 --> 00:00:58.159 I love it when you're you. I was about to say, how does 8 00:00:58.159 --> 00:01:00.079 it feel with me in the driving scenes? It make you a little bit 9 00:01:00.079 --> 00:01:06.079 nervous because we've got the two most seasoned hosts here along with them, it's 10 00:01:06.120 --> 00:01:08.640 so weird to have been not not housed in the podcast. And I don't 11 00:01:08.640 --> 00:01:12.000 feel like I'm in any fit state after after the season full start, but 12 00:01:12.040 --> 00:01:15.840 a weekend in general, I just don't feel like I'm in any fit state 13 00:01:15.879 --> 00:01:18.719 to be hosting anything. So I'm sat here with my frozen marquery and minded 14 00:01:18.840 --> 00:01:23.480 my business. Maybe this is my calling. Maybe I'm gonna be more fun 15 00:01:23.480 --> 00:01:25.480 now that I'm not the host. Oh my god, Oh my god. 16 00:01:25.680 --> 00:01:30.120 Yeah guy for the episode, could you imagine? Yeah? So, how's 17 00:01:30.120 --> 00:01:34.879 your week's been what's tea? Were both to say it, swigging alcohol, 18 00:01:34.959 --> 00:01:41.079 like, come on, Josh, guy, babes, my week has been 19 00:01:41.159 --> 00:01:44.959 good, very good week. It was fine. August on my David, 20 00:01:46.959 --> 00:01:49.359 I'm what a fake bitch. No, it hasn't been fine. Let's let's 21 00:01:49.439 --> 00:01:55.239 let's hear some tea. I'm really some burnt. There we go as p 22 00:01:55.400 --> 00:01:57.799 usual every time the sun's out. I went on the Latch podcast. I'm 23 00:01:57.799 --> 00:02:06.400 like, guys, I'm burnt and read raw. Oh I'm just so yeah. 24 00:02:06.519 --> 00:02:13.680 I love the sun you do, but doesn't love you true truly. 25 00:02:13.960 --> 00:02:15.919 M Yeah, we got a good weekend. We've literally spent like the whole 26 00:02:15.919 --> 00:02:23.000 weekend together. See, we're friends. I would literally just saying before but 27 00:02:23.120 --> 00:02:25.080 we should we just get to do We had a curious cut in, so 28 00:02:25.120 --> 00:02:28.800 we're just going to skip straight to it. I'm turning things on the head. 29 00:02:29.439 --> 00:02:31.719 We had a curious cut in and they said that they were genuinely disappointed 30 00:02:31.759 --> 00:02:37.159 that we weren't as close as as we appeared to be. And then Ben, 31 00:02:37.680 --> 00:02:39.639 when we told bend up Thursday, Ben's head was get a grip. 32 00:02:40.680 --> 00:02:44.719 But I said, we are friends, and like, I think that that's 33 00:02:44.719 --> 00:02:52.520 the two spectrums of this podcast. I'm range you've got bookends. I'm literally 34 00:02:52.520 --> 00:02:57.439 like best friends. Ben's like, do I have to see you this week? 35 00:02:58.319 --> 00:03:00.479 Truly? But now, yeah, that's really sweet. We do all 36 00:03:00.599 --> 00:03:04.000 get on, we all have a laugh, and we all have each other's 37 00:03:04.000 --> 00:03:07.000 backs that I feel like one of those girl bands that has to defend themselves 38 00:03:07.039 --> 00:03:10.439 that they're not falling out and they're not like fighting over hair extensions or something. 39 00:03:10.520 --> 00:03:15.639 I feel like everyone thinks that we super super close, super super hate 40 00:03:15.639 --> 00:03:19.599 each other, which is interesting because actually, like fall Ty, this has 41 00:03:19.599 --> 00:03:23.719 probably been the most like together they've been like times when actually it's been more 42 00:03:23.800 --> 00:03:28.719 potentially times that have been more fraught. But actually in this seasons' real piece 43 00:03:29.800 --> 00:03:34.719 and hear everyone had a fight every season. Not a physical fight, no, 44 00:03:34.879 --> 00:03:38.960 but like we've had sat down at the end our only fans. What 45 00:03:39.360 --> 00:03:47.599 was it the guy got about raw club tune in? Yeah, Like it's 46 00:03:47.639 --> 00:03:52.960 just more like it's all trivial that it's kind of yeah, we all get 47 00:03:53.000 --> 00:03:55.280 on and it's it's kind of just like a mel By Jerry moment. It's 48 00:03:55.319 --> 00:03:59.840 not a get well soon Jerry moment, you know, And it's six people 49 00:04:00.360 --> 00:04:02.719 with varying opinions so we did this every episode, were like, guys, 50 00:04:02.719 --> 00:04:06.639 we love each other off back, that's why people think we hate each other 51 00:04:10.039 --> 00:04:13.960 exactly. The ladies too much. One of us is going to break off 52 00:04:13.960 --> 00:04:16.240 and go solo before you know it. Oh my god. And if anybody 53 00:04:16.360 --> 00:04:21.279 has any opportunity, I am now joking. I could never do that to 54 00:04:21.319 --> 00:04:27.720 you. Queen's Um. Yeah, so in your week, yeah, a 55 00:04:27.759 --> 00:04:30.120 good week. Yeah, a good weekend. And so today when I got 56 00:04:30.120 --> 00:04:33.519 standard on the train in the arsender nowhere, that literally sounded horrific. The 57 00:04:33.560 --> 00:04:38.639 train just break down, didn't move in the middle of the field and then 58 00:04:39.000 --> 00:04:43.079 the ac broke. So we were just sat for two hours and swearing train 59 00:04:44.000 --> 00:04:46.040 and I was hung over two hours sleep. So that was just adding to 60 00:04:46.079 --> 00:04:50.160 all of my traumas. Can you think of anything worse? You must heap 61 00:04:50.160 --> 00:04:58.160 baby, Yes you. How was your week, Joshua? How was la? 62 00:04:58.160 --> 00:05:01.000 Didn't you could go to my lady business class? Somebody asked, oh 63 00:05:01.079 --> 00:05:04.800 my god, I was dying. When can I talk about me as the 64 00:05:04.920 --> 00:05:10.800 host? No, it has been amazing. I had just such a fun 65 00:05:10.839 --> 00:05:14.000 holiday. Um. I mean I was there for work. I don't never 66 00:05:14.079 --> 00:05:17.399 mentioned it was did fly business class? Um? There's a Kathy and Kim. 67 00:05:17.439 --> 00:05:19.279 There's a clip of Kathy and Kim who did it? Of those who 68 00:05:19.279 --> 00:05:26.360 watch it, where um, where Kath is literally calling almost everybody she knows 69 00:05:26.959 --> 00:05:29.879 basically doesn't even know. Yes, it did basically tell them that she's flying 70 00:05:29.920 --> 00:05:34.399 business class and that was me. Um. And it was like, I 71 00:05:34.399 --> 00:05:39.279 mean, what I've got to say about business class before the holiday? Um? 72 00:05:39.399 --> 00:05:44.120 Like it was really good, Like I loved the I love the lounge. 73 00:05:44.199 --> 00:05:46.879 The lounge the biggert recognized in the air, didn't you. I mean, 74 00:05:47.160 --> 00:05:50.879 okay, it was spoilable, you know already kind of I kind of 75 00:05:50.879 --> 00:05:54.839 wanted to reveal that on my own, but I don't since I don't since 76 00:05:54.879 --> 00:05:59.360 it was already on my INSTAGRAMKT was out of the bag. But yes, 77 00:05:59.560 --> 00:06:02.959 I was recognized that thirty five thousand feet um. And yeah, I literally 78 00:06:03.040 --> 00:06:08.480 was such a greedy bitch. I just had a three course meal and I 79 00:06:08.680 --> 00:06:12.160 finished that bit hungry, went back for some more snacks and I was like, 80 00:06:12.199 --> 00:06:14.240 can I just get some You know, when you just try not to 81 00:06:14.279 --> 00:06:16.160 look like you can complete duck out of water, which obviously I was, 82 00:06:17.199 --> 00:06:21.319 And I was like, do you know where I can get more snacks and 83 00:06:21.399 --> 00:06:25.040 they were like, there's a there's a like there's a fridge there where you 84 00:06:25.040 --> 00:06:30.160 can get sandwiches or like knots or whatever. Free Yeah, and it's not 85 00:06:30.279 --> 00:06:32.199 freeze that you pay how much you didn't? I didn't, but yeah, 86 00:06:32.240 --> 00:06:39.399 they they pay up front. Um. And then really cute guy, really 87 00:06:39.439 --> 00:06:45.160 sweet. It's called Liam and it was British Airways on the podcast yesterday you 88 00:06:45.399 --> 00:06:51.199 miss me because they said, don't give them more promote You said another airline, 89 00:06:51.199 --> 00:06:54.199 but yeah, no, British Airways. They looked after me really really 90 00:06:54.199 --> 00:06:58.560 well and yeah, shout out to Liam is really really sweet. Um. 91 00:06:58.639 --> 00:07:01.279 Yeah, so that was really that was really nice to feel recognized. Can 92 00:07:01.399 --> 00:07:05.959 you believe I felt like such a fucking rock star? Rihanna Who and I 93 00:07:06.040 --> 00:07:10.240 just sat there But realistically I just drunk champagne for ten hours, watched three 94 00:07:10.279 --> 00:07:15.800 films and didn't stop crying something about this phenomenal It really was maybe your energy. 95 00:07:15.839 --> 00:07:19.000 Actually I am. Someone came into the pub this week and as I 96 00:07:19.040 --> 00:07:21.839 walked as I walked through the door, they were like, are you Jplong 97 00:07:23.040 --> 00:07:25.560 from on the latch? So I can't I don't remember his name, same 98 00:07:25.600 --> 00:07:31.800 shout out to him. As well. Yeah, I love that was but 99 00:07:31.879 --> 00:07:34.720 yeah, so that so that was really fun. La was amazing. What 100 00:07:34.759 --> 00:07:36.959 I would say is I would have liked to say, spend a little more 101 00:07:36.959 --> 00:07:42.040 time there, because five days he kind of I really pictured myself, you 102 00:07:42.079 --> 00:07:46.720 know, hiking seeing the Hollywood sign along Nice Beach. Realistically, I was 103 00:07:46.800 --> 00:07:49.439 hungover most of the time. I did see a lot of downtown because I 104 00:07:49.480 --> 00:07:53.560 was there for the first two days, so I was like, by the 105 00:07:53.560 --> 00:07:57.439 pool on the roof. That was cool. Went to a drag brunch, 106 00:07:58.560 --> 00:08:01.720 met Monique Hart, who was an art sweetheart, and we were just chilling 107 00:08:01.759 --> 00:08:05.480 with her outside afterwards for a few hours, just lovely and real life. 108 00:08:05.519 --> 00:08:09.720 So imagine she would Yes, she's exactly no, exactly this like exactly the 109 00:08:09.759 --> 00:08:13.279 same. She's just very like just full of life and very funny. I 110 00:08:13.319 --> 00:08:18.720 think you and Minique probably share like the very same energy, so you can 111 00:08:18.759 --> 00:08:20.319 see that you're like two pears in the pod we come together. When I 112 00:08:20.319 --> 00:08:22.879 saw that picture, I was like, I can hear this. I was 113 00:08:22.920 --> 00:08:30.000 like, is this this is deafening? Yeah, a concept, but yeah, 114 00:08:30.240 --> 00:08:33.879 she was so so nice and that was really funnill love because now it's 115 00:08:33.919 --> 00:08:37.039 a big Real Housewives fan. So were you going to say bottom? I 116 00:08:37.080 --> 00:08:43.639 don't know what you're gonna I mean, but no, no, no, 117 00:08:43.679 --> 00:08:46.480 he's a real I mean, is it you can say he's a real top? 118 00:08:48.120 --> 00:08:52.639 Wow? No, I mean he's a Real Housewives fun that they're too 119 00:08:52.679 --> 00:09:00.600 compatible. I would say so Ben diagrammar bottoms and huge, huge Real Housewives 120 00:09:00.639 --> 00:09:05.519 funs just a circle um. But yeah, no, no, he's a 121 00:09:05.559 --> 00:09:09.720 big Real Housewives fun um. And so we went. We were going to 122 00:09:09.759 --> 00:09:11.720 go to Lisa Vanderpump's restaurant, but it was closed. But who do we 123 00:09:11.759 --> 00:09:16.639 see when we were on our way there? Lisa vunder Pump's husband, Ken. 124 00:09:16.559 --> 00:09:18.679 So if you watched the show, it means something to do. If 125 00:09:18.720 --> 00:09:20.840 you haven't, you be like, who the folks that? Because I bought 126 00:09:20.879 --> 00:09:24.240 a bit I bought a video up on Instagram and I was like, oh 127 00:09:24.279 --> 00:09:28.399 my god, we've just seen Ken from Real Housewives. And my mom's as 128 00:09:28.480 --> 00:09:31.039 quick as a flash man. Who the fuck is Ken? She literally had 129 00:09:31.120 --> 00:09:35.759 no time, but it was really fun. We had a really, really 130 00:09:35.799 --> 00:09:41.519 good time. Everyone's so smiley that the tipping bits really complicated. Just in 131 00:09:41.559 --> 00:09:50.440 America generally, what the tipping trash? I can't When I went to New 132 00:09:50.519 --> 00:09:54.159 York for work. A couple of years ago. I remember saying, oh, 133 00:09:54.159 --> 00:09:56.480 I've always wanted to like live in New York and like work in New 134 00:09:56.559 --> 00:09:58.000 York's. This will be really fun and by the end of the eight days 135 00:09:58.000 --> 00:10:01.879 also get me home. It's just like, I feel like it's just such 136 00:10:01.919 --> 00:10:05.320 a culture shock to be like down to little things like the way Americans use 137 00:10:05.440 --> 00:10:09.159 chip and pin and their card and like they're really just got like Apple pay 138 00:10:09.200 --> 00:10:11.200 on the oyster, on the subway system and blah blah. It's very wild 139 00:10:11.240 --> 00:10:13.720 to me, and like literally things are coming out of my account like seven 140 00:10:13.759 --> 00:10:16.480 days later because you know, I like tip Susie at the bar. It's 141 00:10:16.519 --> 00:10:20.879 like and also like tax not being on anything until you like not being on 142 00:10:20.919 --> 00:10:31.320 the price exactly like the Sarah Paulson give all the triangles and algorithms behind it, 143 00:10:31.399 --> 00:10:35.600 Like what the fuck is going on? Eggs me maths, I know, 144 00:10:35.759 --> 00:10:39.000 but it was amazing. So I really really did enjoy that. But 145 00:10:39.120 --> 00:10:45.759 enough about me. I it has been nice. But the minute I came 146 00:10:45.799 --> 00:10:50.200 back from LA I saw everybody flying off to New York. Yeah, raging 147 00:10:50.919 --> 00:10:56.480 because of course, and as you've been under rock, it is Stonewall fifty 148 00:10:56.559 --> 00:11:01.639 and it is World Pride in New York. So it's fifty years since the 149 00:11:01.679 --> 00:11:09.039 Stonewall Riots, which really did launch it kind of spoked fire in a global 150 00:11:09.080 --> 00:11:13.799 movement. Yeah, that did run to form LGBT liberation certainly in the Western 151 00:11:13.799 --> 00:11:20.120 world, but has had definitely an impact worldwide. Ye. And so yeah, 152 00:11:20.240 --> 00:11:26.279 how does everybody feel fifty years it's wild that it's only fifty years ago 153 00:11:26.600 --> 00:11:30.840 and like the progress that Yeah, I think that actually probably says a lot 154 00:11:30.879 --> 00:11:35.000 more than like on you see on surface level like fifty years is it's not 155 00:11:35.080 --> 00:11:37.360 a long time. It's not a long time. I was actually I felt 156 00:11:37.399 --> 00:11:41.840 really emotional about it on that it was Friday, it was fifty years yes, 157 00:11:41.919 --> 00:11:43.039 I think, yeah, whatever day it was, I just felt really 158 00:11:43.039 --> 00:11:46.360 emotional about it, and I was reading fifty tweets like this is actually wild, 159 00:11:48.120 --> 00:11:50.200 that's only fifty years ago. I think as well. I'm sure that 160 00:11:50.440 --> 00:11:54.559 we think we touched upon properly like in a minute, but I think as 161 00:11:54.600 --> 00:12:01.240 well, it's more emotional because I feel like the people who really like the 162 00:12:01.440 --> 00:12:05.320 nuts and bolts to that movement and getting everything like moving and the reason we 163 00:12:05.360 --> 00:12:07.879 have the rights of you need today and blah blah blah. I kind of 164 00:12:07.919 --> 00:12:11.919 like not as well known as they should be. And I feel like, 165 00:12:11.039 --> 00:12:15.039 yeah, a lot of people like don't know their history and blah blah blah, 166 00:12:15.039 --> 00:12:20.279 and it's it's a massive shame that something so important that they've done and 167 00:12:20.320 --> 00:12:24.200 they're kind of like not written into the history books, Like yeah, I 168 00:12:24.200 --> 00:12:26.799 mean, I mean even a time where it's so easy to find out about 169 00:12:26.799 --> 00:12:30.440 our history and to appreciate our history, Like everything's there on today, right 170 00:12:30.440 --> 00:12:31.279 in front of you. If you want to know about you can. You 171 00:12:31.320 --> 00:12:35.039 can know about it, and there's places you can go and you know, 172 00:12:35.279 --> 00:12:41.000 read and learn, and it's I feel like people a lot of people have 173 00:12:41.039 --> 00:12:48.480 no idea about what So I tried to do that discreetly, especially in a 174 00:12:48.559 --> 00:12:50.799 time like now though, because at the time like now, it's almost like 175 00:12:50.879 --> 00:12:56.679 we've come full circle and we're back to right. We need to step up 176 00:12:56.720 --> 00:13:01.240 us he's up again and keep keep this fighting. We're not where we should 177 00:13:01.279 --> 00:13:05.440 be or where we want to be. We don't all have equal rights across 178 00:13:05.480 --> 00:13:09.679 the board, across the entire community. So you should be looking back at 179 00:13:09.679 --> 00:13:13.600 what those people did at Stone were fifty years ago because chances are we might 180 00:13:13.639 --> 00:13:16.480 need to be doing that again fifty years later, which is which is yeah, 181 00:13:16.480 --> 00:13:20.879 the reality of it. I do think it's real. It's really easy 182 00:13:20.919 --> 00:13:26.200 to think that these rights are linear and that freedom is something that can be 183 00:13:26.240 --> 00:13:30.639 taken for granted or like you know, rights, but like we've seen in 184 00:13:30.679 --> 00:13:33.480 many different places, but things can change, things can roll back, and 185 00:13:33.519 --> 00:13:39.200 so it's really important to understand our history so that actually we can seek to 186 00:13:39.240 --> 00:13:41.679 address the balance in the present, but also look to the future and safeguard 187 00:13:41.799 --> 00:13:46.720 those rights. Yeah, you know, and you look at the people that 188 00:13:46.759 --> 00:13:50.240 started the movement and they're the very same people that need protecting and looking after 189 00:13:50.519 --> 00:13:56.799 and ally ship now you know, we haven't you know, despite the fact 190 00:13:56.879 --> 00:14:01.399 it was trans women of color that kind of excide that movement, those are 191 00:14:01.399 --> 00:14:03.919 still the people that are persecuted the most and hurt the most, definitely, 192 00:14:05.200 --> 00:14:07.399 And like, you know, it is really important. There are still people 193 00:14:07.399 --> 00:14:11.080 who don't know about Marsha P. Johnson or Sylvia Rivera, about Stormy, 194 00:14:11.120 --> 00:14:13.960 about some of the real key people who are at the start and very forefront 195 00:14:13.960 --> 00:14:18.639 the brunt of that movement. And actually just as they sparked that off, 196 00:14:18.679 --> 00:14:26.639 they were rejected by mainstream mainly gay and lesbian movement for being either being too 197 00:14:26.720 --> 00:14:31.200 on the outside I would say, not tolerable enough to mainstream society. And 198 00:14:31.480 --> 00:14:37.080 other problem is as well. I think the problem is that as as minorities, 199 00:14:37.360 --> 00:14:43.000 we we obviously feel that we feel we feel like a sense of allyeship 200 00:14:43.000 --> 00:14:50.039 between ourselves. I think until we personally feel accepted, and then after that 201 00:14:50.440 --> 00:14:54.039 you kind of get pushed into You're still the minority, but you're kind of 202 00:14:54.039 --> 00:14:56.279 being pushed to the other side of that where you're like, Okay, look, 203 00:14:56.519 --> 00:15:01.320 as a for example, white gay, I feel now more accepted the 204 00:15:01.360 --> 00:15:05.519 mainstream blah blah blah. But now let's look back at our I like our 205 00:15:05.519 --> 00:15:11.480 trans community, and yeah, I feel like when you your rights are kind 206 00:15:11.480 --> 00:15:13.840 of being pushed along and other people's aren't coming along at the same pace. 207 00:15:15.679 --> 00:15:18.279 People forget that, Oh he doesn't just stop in them with me. People 208 00:15:18.320 --> 00:15:24.480 don't hold the door open. No, they kind of bolster through in And 209 00:15:24.639 --> 00:15:28.320 people sometimes think, oh, it's evolving, and that's privilege, isn't it 210 00:15:28.320 --> 00:15:31.480 really? People think, oh, I'm through, what's taking them so long? 211 00:15:31.679 --> 00:15:35.919 Yeah? But actually that takes it takes people to hold that door open. 212 00:15:35.440 --> 00:15:41.320 What I did think was absolutely beautiful to see was Whoopie Goldberg bring Lady 213 00:15:41.399 --> 00:15:46.639 Phil like the UK Black Pride up on up on stage. She's a you 214 00:15:46.639 --> 00:15:50.679 know, a Pride Marshal this year, and that was just so fantastic to 215 00:15:50.679 --> 00:15:56.720 see somebody from our culture's part of it's been so instrumental in our country do 216 00:15:56.840 --> 00:16:00.440 something like that. It's cool, right, incredible, and it's just not 217 00:16:00.480 --> 00:16:03.759 There's so many people out there that obviously we know personally, that are doing 218 00:16:03.799 --> 00:16:07.840 amazing things and kind of deserve to be there and recognized. Yeah, although 219 00:16:07.879 --> 00:16:11.000 I'm so jealous of all the content on a STEM, I think me too. 220 00:16:11.080 --> 00:16:14.600 I've been so jealous as well. Like it is, like, but 221 00:16:14.639 --> 00:16:18.360 it's lovely to see everybody having such a fantastic time. But yeah, oh 222 00:16:18.399 --> 00:16:22.000 my god, I have been so fucking insanely jealous. And I know I've 223 00:16:22.000 --> 00:16:26.919 been on holiday for a month, but it is. But it's really nice 224 00:16:26.919 --> 00:16:30.879 to see everybody have such a great time and it's such a fantastic celebration. 225 00:16:30.399 --> 00:16:34.440 But there was one thing actually that did kind of that I did see on 226 00:16:34.440 --> 00:16:38.440 Twitter and that I think it was kind of gone viable. It was a 227 00:16:38.480 --> 00:16:41.600 tweet that said a black trans woman disrupted a drug show at Stonewall to call 228 00:16:41.600 --> 00:16:48.720 out the hypocrisy how Pride was all about parties and corporations and now even though 229 00:16:48.759 --> 00:16:53.519 black trans women are dying, all hell broke loose. I just think that's 230 00:16:53.600 --> 00:16:59.480 just so Fifty years on it was the same people who really needed that, 231 00:16:59.559 --> 00:17:04.880 allies, and she was kind of met with hostility. The absolute irony of 232 00:17:06.079 --> 00:17:11.319 all that after black trans people were, you know, the people at the 233 00:17:11.319 --> 00:17:15.599 forefront of leading the right at the stone Wall inn that fifty years later to 234 00:17:15.720 --> 00:17:22.559 the day, no less people in Stonewall intone literally saying, oh, we 235 00:17:22.640 --> 00:17:25.960 might call the cops on a black trans woman who's trying to say, can 236 00:17:26.039 --> 00:17:29.279 you be an ally to us because we're being murdered. Yeah, Like that's 237 00:17:29.559 --> 00:17:30.519 and by people in the stone Wall. And I don't mean like people who 238 00:17:30.599 --> 00:17:34.160 work for stone Well, I mean like customers in the stone Wall. But 239 00:17:34.200 --> 00:17:40.240 like, that's the irony of that is. I can't believe it. I've 240 00:17:40.279 --> 00:17:47.599 read that thread three times and it's actually disgusting, and we spoke of it. 241 00:17:47.680 --> 00:17:52.160 It's like numerous times of a Pride month about how like yeah, it's 242 00:17:52.240 --> 00:17:55.359 got corporate or it's the celebration, and you know, and we've all said, 243 00:17:55.359 --> 00:17:56.119 you know, the first and foremost Pride as the protest, and it 244 00:17:56.160 --> 00:18:03.319 just continue to be there. It's just a lot, It's just such a 245 00:18:03.519 --> 00:18:08.079 shit thing to happen, Yeah, on the anniversary, on the exact anniversary 246 00:18:08.839 --> 00:18:12.839 understainable why rights, And in all Pride celebrations, we really have to be 247 00:18:12.880 --> 00:18:17.720 mindful like who is this for? Who is this supporting? Is this sos 248 00:18:17.759 --> 00:18:19.759 gays can have a gay old time and have a really good laugh, or 249 00:18:19.839 --> 00:18:23.200 is it actually to support the most vulnerable in our society? And when we 250 00:18:23.240 --> 00:18:27.480 do have those things that is a celebration, where is the space and where 251 00:18:27.519 --> 00:18:30.759 is the giving up of the power for those who are disenfranchised to speak their 252 00:18:30.759 --> 00:18:34.400 truth? And I think that's what we really have to kind of get back 253 00:18:34.400 --> 00:18:38.279 to. And do you know what I before, like, let me explain 254 00:18:38.319 --> 00:18:45.720 before everyone's like what the fuck? I understand the gray space of people wanting 255 00:18:45.759 --> 00:18:49.799 to go to Pride and have a good time. We've heard like one of 256 00:18:49.799 --> 00:18:52.799 the like lines of this year that I keep hearing over and over is that 257 00:18:53.480 --> 00:18:56.839 you know, Pride is not a party, it's a protest. And that 258 00:18:56.000 --> 00:19:03.119 is absolutely right. That's absolutely true. I feel like there's that like trying 259 00:19:03.160 --> 00:19:07.359 to find that balance of you know, this is a particular day. I 260 00:19:07.400 --> 00:19:10.400 know we have Pride month, but say, for example, you don't travel 261 00:19:10.480 --> 00:19:12.680 outside of your own city to go to a pride. You have one pride. 262 00:19:14.240 --> 00:19:21.480 You have one day to celebrate yourself, your identity, your community's identity. 263 00:19:22.759 --> 00:19:26.480 You have one day to kind of let your voice be heard and make 264 00:19:26.519 --> 00:19:32.519 sure that you're you know, pushing forwards, that we're kind of moving the 265 00:19:32.559 --> 00:19:37.400 movement forwards. You have a day to you know, celebrate with your friends. 266 00:19:37.400 --> 00:19:41.119 So it's a lot to kind of balance. But yeah, you shouldn't 267 00:19:41.200 --> 00:19:45.640 forget that. You can't show up to pride and be like Tequila's and nothing 268 00:19:45.680 --> 00:19:49.960 else like and if you are going to do that, all credits. You 269 00:19:51.000 --> 00:19:55.480 have time of your life. But please know what Please know what pride is 270 00:19:56.119 --> 00:19:59.559 and what it's there for and why we still have it. It's not just 271 00:19:59.640 --> 00:20:00.960 there anymore. But it's not there because we're now like, Okay, we've 272 00:20:02.000 --> 00:20:03.680 got the rights we need. We're just going to go and have a gay 273 00:20:03.680 --> 00:20:07.559 old time with ourselves and have fun. And there's plenty of space for it 274 00:20:07.599 --> 00:20:11.160 to be based. Yeah, you know, you're not you know, we're 275 00:20:11.200 --> 00:20:14.839 not saying don't go and have a good time, you know, but celebrated 276 00:20:14.880 --> 00:20:18.400 people that are still pushing rights forwards don't just get late. They always find 277 00:20:18.400 --> 00:20:25.920 as well. Interestingly, people never know what goes on in their city's pride 278 00:20:26.200 --> 00:20:30.200 outside of that main day. So I remember last year I was invited to 279 00:20:30.240 --> 00:20:33.200 an event and like that launch London Pride, and they were listening off it 280 00:20:33.240 --> 00:20:40.000 was like an entire month's worth of activities, talks, panels, events that 281 00:20:40.039 --> 00:20:42.640 were going on throughout the entire month, which was London Pride. Ye. 282 00:20:44.160 --> 00:20:48.759 The weekend was just you know, the main parade blah bla blah blah. 283 00:20:48.799 --> 00:20:52.000 And I think Manchester have the same thing because it's called the Big Weekend. 284 00:20:52.400 --> 00:20:57.519 But either side of that you have events, talks panels and no one. 285 00:20:57.680 --> 00:21:03.480 I feel like they are so underrepresented and um they're not made taking advantage of 286 00:21:03.559 --> 00:21:07.119 like they should be because they're there for a reason and you know, people 287 00:21:07.119 --> 00:21:11.079 should really take advantage of those. So if you're if your Pride hasn't already 288 00:21:11.119 --> 00:21:14.039 been and gone, or you're going to a pride, I would strongly suggest 289 00:21:14.079 --> 00:21:18.359 looking at what's going on around pride either side of the main weekend because you 290 00:21:18.400 --> 00:21:22.160 will find that it's really enlightening and there's a lot of fun things out there 291 00:21:22.160 --> 00:21:25.799 to do. It's not all like doom in gloom and being told that you 292 00:21:25.839 --> 00:21:27.599 know, we don't have rights and we still need to push forwards, which 293 00:21:27.680 --> 00:21:32.240 is true, but I mean exactly, there is a there is there is 294 00:21:32.240 --> 00:21:36.920 a variety within within a Pride schedule. Um, I do what I think 295 00:21:36.920 --> 00:21:41.720 is really I saw a really interesting thing from Morgan Page who works at Stonewall, 296 00:21:41.799 --> 00:21:45.200 and um, she said, well as much as many other things, 297 00:21:45.240 --> 00:21:48.279 I think she's got her own podcast as well. Um, she's a great 298 00:21:48.319 --> 00:21:52.599 writer. But she kind of talked about actually, how if Sylvia Rivera was 299 00:21:52.599 --> 00:21:56.880 alive today, a lot of the people who kind of hold hold her up 300 00:21:56.960 --> 00:22:00.160 in kind of in a mythological way and kind of and talk about how amazing 301 00:22:00.240 --> 00:22:07.079 they were to push forward, right, would today find her annoying frustrating you 302 00:22:07.119 --> 00:22:11.079 know, actually a bit of a kind of a barrier to them having a 303 00:22:11.119 --> 00:22:14.000 good time. Yeah, And I do think that's kind of thing like, 304 00:22:14.039 --> 00:22:15.599 you know, whilst we talk about marshpe Johnson masks, we talk about those 305 00:22:15.599 --> 00:22:21.319 people, think about there's still people pushing from the sidelines today. So don't 306 00:22:21.400 --> 00:22:23.400 let them die for us to say, God, they really did something there. 307 00:22:23.400 --> 00:22:29.039 They were really trying to push movement forward and we weren't listening because actually 308 00:22:29.160 --> 00:22:32.720 there's a video of Sylvia Rivera when she's on stage and she's getting booed by 309 00:22:32.960 --> 00:22:37.359 lesbian and gays, and she's talking about the experience of trans people, and 310 00:22:37.400 --> 00:22:40.359 so, you know, we don't want that to happen again. We don't 311 00:22:40.359 --> 00:22:42.680 want to look back and say, as gay people, and I'm speaking about 312 00:22:42.680 --> 00:22:47.440 two gay men, really that we didn't do more then because we are in 313 00:22:47.480 --> 00:22:52.359 a very tans were still in a really transphobic time. So yeah, I 314 00:22:52.359 --> 00:22:55.160 just I wanted to kind of say that. Okay, So we talked a 315 00:22:55.200 --> 00:22:56.400 little bit about pride, and now I kind of want to ask you some 316 00:22:56.519 --> 00:23:00.519 questions, but not about how proud you are. Actually what would make you 317 00:23:00.880 --> 00:23:06.039 the least proud. I'm gonna throw some scenarios at you and I want to 318 00:23:06.039 --> 00:23:11.000 find out what would you actually be less proud about. Okay, So the 319 00:23:11.079 --> 00:23:18.839 first situation either, um, okay, so getting caught one king by a 320 00:23:18.960 --> 00:23:25.720 parent parent of your choice. Now I'm jogging bearing you actually care most about? 321 00:23:25.799 --> 00:23:30.440 Okay, I do listen to the episode or opening up your work computer 322 00:23:30.640 --> 00:23:37.400 and some really fucking filthy porn playing And I'm not talking, yeah, I'm 323 00:23:37.440 --> 00:23:44.559 talking like piss on me again, like a love role play. I would. 324 00:23:45.079 --> 00:23:48.839 I'd rather open my work laptop and they'd be really dirty porn on it. 325 00:23:48.920 --> 00:23:53.680 Then my mom catched me wanking. I would, and it's a busy 326 00:23:53.720 --> 00:23:59.480 office Ben, I would flip what John said. I would rather be caught 327 00:24:00.000 --> 00:24:03.559 whanking by my mom, mostly because I'm going to assume that my lightning quick 328 00:24:03.559 --> 00:24:10.000 reflexes would mean anyway. So obviously we'd both know what I'd been doing, 329 00:24:10.119 --> 00:24:12.839 but she wouldn't have seen much so and I've like it. I mean, 330 00:24:12.880 --> 00:24:17.880 I think everyone's been in that position before, where it's like someone's coming unannounced 331 00:24:17.880 --> 00:24:19.160 and you both know what the other was, what one was doing, and 332 00:24:19.200 --> 00:24:26.240 you just haven't remembered. A really awful scenario. Go on, I'm about 333 00:24:26.279 --> 00:24:32.480 to share this. I am caught him for a night out once, absolutely 334 00:24:32.519 --> 00:24:40.480 bollocks. I bore my mum's laptop and fed asleep with it with the pawn 335 00:24:40.480 --> 00:24:42.000 on nick in hand. Probably well. I woke up in the morning, 336 00:24:42.000 --> 00:24:45.839 the laptop was gone. My mum had coming to take it back, and 337 00:24:47.039 --> 00:24:55.000 she was like, can you just not use my laptop for like as an 338 00:24:55.000 --> 00:24:57.680 adult man as well, like not be talking maybe like ten years ago, 339 00:24:57.839 --> 00:25:02.880 but like, yeah, mortified for you it was awful. But I feel 340 00:25:02.880 --> 00:25:07.319 like if like someone like, I've working quite a chill environment, so if 341 00:25:07.359 --> 00:25:11.839 somebody just so really ghastly porn. I mean, I'm working in a chill 342 00:25:11.960 --> 00:25:15.519 environment, but like like a professional, not even just that. It's just 343 00:25:15.759 --> 00:25:21.279 I'm not like I just no, no, I can't. It's embarrassing enough 344 00:25:21.279 --> 00:25:23.599 when like my headphones haven't connected and suddenly like thank you, next starts playing, 345 00:25:25.039 --> 00:25:30.079 right, It's embarrassing enough when that happens. I don't want screaming club 346 00:25:30.160 --> 00:25:33.440 playing. I mean, if you ever like opened your phone up on like 347 00:25:33.480 --> 00:25:37.599 the tube, the last thing is literally no, because I am clever and 348 00:25:37.599 --> 00:25:41.640 I close on my taft after I'm finished. Some people don't do it all 349 00:25:41.640 --> 00:25:45.279 the time, Sirie, it was like, I don't understand Sab doesn't get 350 00:25:45.319 --> 00:25:49.720 it, and I don't understand all the things you're making me play. What 351 00:25:49.799 --> 00:25:53.559 would you rather the work one every time? Although it is more it would 352 00:25:53.640 --> 00:25:59.240 leave me in a predicament because I actually only have a work laptop. Um. 353 00:26:00.079 --> 00:26:00.880 Yeah, like, I would probably go over that one because I don't 354 00:26:00.880 --> 00:26:03.559 want I don't I wouldn't want my mom to to walk in on me. 355 00:26:03.960 --> 00:26:10.240 Um. Although I remember seating on Twitter one story that really haunted me about 356 00:26:10.240 --> 00:26:12.680 a guy I think I think it was a guy. He basically is he 357 00:26:12.799 --> 00:26:18.720 was winking and he had his eyes closed, like in the throes of passion 358 00:26:18.759 --> 00:26:23.519 with himself. And when he and when he when he like like came opened 359 00:26:23.519 --> 00:26:26.000 his eyes turned to bed to a table to get a tissue. There was 360 00:26:26.039 --> 00:26:32.519 a fresh cup of tea on the bedside table that this moment just brought in 361 00:26:32.640 --> 00:26:34.440 for him. And she just walked in placed the cup of tea down. 362 00:26:34.839 --> 00:26:38.920 What back she stayed for? Oh, John, I don't know why she 363 00:26:38.920 --> 00:26:45.960 would put the tea down. I would just take one two. Um, 364 00:26:45.240 --> 00:26:51.079 but yeah, that's pretty appalling. Um. Okay, so how about this 365 00:26:51.119 --> 00:26:53.359 then? Um? So these are the classics? So well, I'm not 366 00:26:53.440 --> 00:26:59.559 the classics following through drawing. Sex doesn't matter if you're topping, um or 367 00:27:00.599 --> 00:27:03.920 just throwing up on someone's dick. And I'm not talking just a bit of 368 00:27:03.960 --> 00:27:08.440 worry. I'm talking actual kebab. Are you asking me if I would rather 369 00:27:08.680 --> 00:27:12.480 follow through ship myself duringsect or vomit duringsex? Is that what you're asking me? 370 00:27:12.839 --> 00:27:19.640 I'll be pride. Oh that is a tricky one, Ben, you 371 00:27:19.640 --> 00:27:25.240 can go first on this occasion. What a question? Thank you? Would 372 00:27:25.279 --> 00:27:27.240 you rather? I would rather throw up because I could be like you were 373 00:27:27.279 --> 00:27:30.680 just too big rather than well, if you can share, it's not the 374 00:27:30.680 --> 00:27:38.480 same. You could just dog it's more their problem if you Yeah. But 375 00:27:38.519 --> 00:27:44.079 as as a top, if I'm shitting myself during sex, that is my 376 00:27:44.160 --> 00:27:47.400 problem, right, like that is fully my problem. Oh yeah, I'd 377 00:27:47.480 --> 00:27:52.799 rather vom Definitely, I'd rather vomb Yeah, yeah, that's cross I mean. 378 00:27:56.119 --> 00:28:03.160 Okay, how about fucking an ex's brother or fucking your best friends X? 379 00:28:03.440 --> 00:28:06.240 What would you feel worse about? What was my ex's brother? Absolutely? 380 00:28:06.279 --> 00:28:08.039 Oh no, I would rather What would you feel less proud about? 381 00:28:08.880 --> 00:28:12.640 Oh, fucking my best friend's X? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, a 382 00:28:12.680 --> 00:28:15.920 loyal queen. Okay, how about this one? And that was actually a 383 00:28:15.920 --> 00:28:21.960 bit too easy. About fucking your ex's dad? What fucking your best friend's 384 00:28:22.279 --> 00:28:26.599 X? Yeah? Okay, Um, I'm trying to think of a worse 385 00:28:26.680 --> 00:28:29.079 one. Actually, no, there is no worse one than fucking your best 386 00:28:29.079 --> 00:28:32.079 friend's X. Is that well, fucking you friend? No, yeah, 387 00:28:32.119 --> 00:28:36.039 fucking you're brought No fucking your ex is married? Dad? Would that? 388 00:28:36.119 --> 00:28:41.960 Would you feel less? I'm king? But but what I'm saying married to 389 00:28:42.279 --> 00:28:47.400 mom of twenty five years you want a home you want a home wreck, 390 00:28:47.519 --> 00:28:49.960 or you want a fucking friend's X. I'm just saying that I would never. 391 00:28:52.119 --> 00:28:56.960 It depends how you broke up with the X son I'm your mom. 392 00:28:57.039 --> 00:29:03.200 Now it sounds like a revenge pyeh does? Yeah? Okay, yeah I 393 00:29:03.240 --> 00:29:12.200 would also, Yeah, I probably the brothers down whatever family true. Christmas 394 00:29:12.319 --> 00:29:18.440 is going to be fun and I'm expecting presents. Give mommy a kissing. 395 00:29:23.039 --> 00:29:29.559 We are all evil bastards, Okay. So I've got um um a couple 396 00:29:29.680 --> 00:29:36.079 more. Accidentally putting a nude on your inst story for six hours, okay, 397 00:29:36.599 --> 00:29:42.759 um or accidentally sucking off your boss in the dark room. Oh, 398 00:29:42.880 --> 00:29:48.759 I would be less proud of the nude on my incub story because like if 399 00:29:49.400 --> 00:29:52.480 if you did that with your boss in the dark room, like you were 400 00:29:52.519 --> 00:29:56.960 both in there anyway, you're both in there for something. It just so 401 00:29:56.000 --> 00:29:59.200 happened that you accidentally did it with each other, and it can just stay 402 00:29:59.240 --> 00:30:04.240 between you two, So I would. I would, Hi, boss, 403 00:30:04.279 --> 00:30:07.960 if you're listening, Oh yeah, he doesn't listen to the shows, and 404 00:30:08.039 --> 00:30:12.039 that's lovely. And I would definitely rather have my nude on Instagram for six 405 00:30:12.079 --> 00:30:17.119 whole hours. It's not six whole hours? Was that? That's six different 406 00:30:17.160 --> 00:30:22.880 whole Noah, you really you'd rather have your nude on your inter story for 407 00:30:22.960 --> 00:30:26.279 six hours? Every single person that follows you, Yeah, we'll see that 408 00:30:26.599 --> 00:30:32.160 six okay. Yeah, that's a very interesting, lovely penis. Wow. 409 00:30:32.359 --> 00:30:37.920 And if you tune into our own plans dark trying only fans happ but no, 410 00:30:37.000 --> 00:30:40.559 on a serious though, I would, Well, firstly, I don't 411 00:30:40.559 --> 00:30:44.799 have a boss who I would unlikely to see. Both my bosses are lesbians, 412 00:30:45.039 --> 00:30:47.279 so I'm less likely to see them in the dark room, I think, 413 00:30:47.279 --> 00:30:51.079 I've got to say. But also with NI, so I would. 414 00:30:51.119 --> 00:30:55.240 Obviously, you must check your views on Insta, on your inst story within 415 00:30:55.319 --> 00:30:57.480 like three minutes, so there's absolutely no way in hell that's done for six 416 00:30:57.519 --> 00:31:00.440 hours. But you realize it isn't. Actually the one thing I don't check 417 00:31:00.440 --> 00:31:03.640 to which is my view my story views, whether I liked, whether something 418 00:31:03.680 --> 00:31:07.640 gets liked on Maine. Then yeah, I'm keep an eye on it, 419 00:31:07.839 --> 00:31:11.960 even even if it's just something like I feel like everyone has that double trip 420 00:31:12.039 --> 00:31:15.599 or quadre poor check if you send something a bit risque and so you want 421 00:31:15.599 --> 00:31:18.119 to just double checks that it didn't go on your story backs did. But 422 00:31:18.240 --> 00:31:22.599 also like I could just be posting like a picture of the sun and I'd 423 00:31:22.599 --> 00:31:26.119 go back and be like, wait is that still and there's my deck in 424 00:31:26.119 --> 00:31:30.319 the background, just reflected in the mirror. You could do something like that. 425 00:31:30.319 --> 00:31:33.480 Way you could take a bitch, can't you ever seems like that someone 426 00:31:33.519 --> 00:31:36.599 trying to take a picture through a window and then like they're literally like completely 427 00:31:36.640 --> 00:31:40.640 start bullet naked, putting their socks. You didn't think that would through? 428 00:31:41.359 --> 00:31:45.200 Yeah, I would go for the insto story as well. Um okay, 429 00:31:45.200 --> 00:31:51.279 how about this? Um okay, So you're dating a guy, you dated 430 00:31:51.319 --> 00:31:55.680 a guy, yeah, and then you see them on a night out and 431 00:31:55.759 --> 00:31:57.359 you try and chat them up like you've never met them before, okay, 432 00:31:59.160 --> 00:32:01.839 Or you go somebody on a date and you see them that very night. 433 00:32:05.240 --> 00:32:08.200 Did someone in the podcast have this? Maybe anyone's going to go someone and 434 00:32:08.200 --> 00:32:12.799 then see them later Probably the ill it would be John, How dare you 435 00:32:14.480 --> 00:32:21.400 go on handle someone on on the day and then see them out, so 436 00:32:21.400 --> 00:32:25.039 you're supposed to be them on a date. Radio sad me because I'd canceled 437 00:32:25.079 --> 00:32:30.680 and I'll be home. I would have canceled, but my I would have 438 00:32:30.680 --> 00:32:34.559 canceled like it would be excused like oh, I've got such a headache, 439 00:32:34.640 --> 00:32:37.039 or I'm really ill, be fine, I don't want to go. Yeah, 440 00:32:37.119 --> 00:32:40.400 someone Actually one of my friends earlier, I went to one of my 441 00:32:40.440 --> 00:32:43.880 friends as for the first time, and I was like, oh my god, 442 00:32:43.920 --> 00:32:45.440 you haven't seen my fun yet and I was like, no, you 443 00:32:45.519 --> 00:32:47.519 never invite me. Was like, actually I do. You just always canceled 444 00:32:47.519 --> 00:32:51.319 the last minute. And I was like, well, there we are, 445 00:32:51.400 --> 00:32:59.880 there we have it. And these probably both of these things have probably happened 446 00:33:00.000 --> 00:33:01.920 to me. I can't think of like obvious examples. Great, I'm sure 447 00:33:01.960 --> 00:33:05.720 they feel even better about that. I'm sure that's happened to me. And 448 00:33:05.720 --> 00:33:13.920 I can't remember you was that insignificant? I would rather the first one. 449 00:33:14.599 --> 00:33:16.519 I think, what so you just go on a date with someone, fucked 450 00:33:16.519 --> 00:33:20.640 them and then introduce yourself as if you've never met them A few like yeah, 451 00:33:20.680 --> 00:33:25.680 like think about it, logically, No, John, we're talking about 452 00:33:25.839 --> 00:33:31.079 that's difficult, but there's like you could cancel and then if you see them 453 00:33:31.160 --> 00:33:36.359 on that same night, you could just be like, my friend was going 454 00:33:36.359 --> 00:33:37.720 really through it and he's dragged me out and I had to be here. 455 00:33:38.160 --> 00:33:43.559 The logical thing to do is like yeah, absolutely, or just be like 456 00:33:44.200 --> 00:33:45.559 well, yeah, no, if you've got yourself in that position, no, 457 00:33:46.440 --> 00:33:50.279 no, no, I guess if you've been on an actual whole date 458 00:33:50.920 --> 00:33:53.440 and then met them on and then fucked and then met them on the night 459 00:33:53.480 --> 00:33:59.079 out and not remember that's mortifying spends how long it's been between its. Yeah, 460 00:33:59.079 --> 00:34:01.079 I personally would I the first one much better just going I mean the 461 00:34:01.119 --> 00:34:05.279 second one much better, like going on a day and then ghosting someone on 462 00:34:05.319 --> 00:34:07.599 a date and then seeing them out, because if you didn't reply to the 463 00:34:07.640 --> 00:34:09.760 thing, you'd be like, oh, I'm so sorry on airplay, do 464 00:34:09.800 --> 00:34:14.480 you know what I mean? Like, And chances are chances are that person 465 00:34:14.599 --> 00:34:15.960 is not going to come over and be like I thought you were going to 466 00:34:16.039 --> 00:34:19.920 be out tonight exactly, could even neck on with them, like you could 467 00:34:20.000 --> 00:34:22.880 even you could even try and make it like there's there's something I came out 468 00:34:22.920 --> 00:34:29.400 to surprise you. Surprise are you shocks. Okay, one last one. 469 00:34:29.519 --> 00:34:34.519 So you show up to brunch rocking as something about Mary with a big load 470 00:34:34.559 --> 00:34:38.800 of come on your ear um, or you bring a boy back to the 471 00:34:38.880 --> 00:34:44.239 house but you haven't changed the skit sheets and the last bottom made a complete 472 00:34:44.239 --> 00:34:47.199 mess on the sheets, and the new guy clocks you. No way. 473 00:34:47.480 --> 00:34:50.800 First of all, those sheets are being changed before we go to sleep. 474 00:34:50.840 --> 00:34:55.480 But I'm sorry, this is my situation. Okay, so then, but 475 00:34:57.800 --> 00:35:02.280 I've written this situation even if so, I just needed to clarify that as 476 00:35:02.480 --> 00:35:06.239 once again, do I want to go out? We've come in my hair, 477 00:35:06.519 --> 00:35:10.840 come on your ear? Off your ear liking something about Mary for a 478 00:35:10.960 --> 00:35:15.360 day but like a big lobular of it, or yeah, you're bringing you? 479 00:35:15.639 --> 00:35:19.119 Is it? It's a guy's been bringing back from a day perhaps over 480 00:35:19.159 --> 00:35:22.280 Pride weekend. You'd had someone in the day before, and the sheets of 481 00:35:22.400 --> 00:35:28.719 a stay and they clock you on it. No, Oh, who knows 482 00:35:28.840 --> 00:35:32.320 is to come on my ear? Everybody everyone goes john that and we're going 483 00:35:32.639 --> 00:35:37.400 I reckon. I don't reckon. If I saw someone would come hanging off 484 00:35:37.440 --> 00:35:39.960 the ear issuent was come, I think I would go to with your friends. 485 00:35:40.960 --> 00:35:45.400 I think I would go. I think I would go to every single 486 00:35:45.559 --> 00:35:51.039 possible other outcome. And before I got to come on that hollandaise, I'm 487 00:35:51.079 --> 00:35:52.519 going to brunch with my friends. I guess I think I'd rather have come 488 00:35:52.559 --> 00:35:55.599 on my ear. I guess. Yeah. It's a funny story, isn't 489 00:35:55.639 --> 00:35:59.639 it. Yeah, But to be fair either way, I mean, if 490 00:35:59.639 --> 00:36:02.320 I came home like John said, I mean the sheets would have been changed, 491 00:36:04.920 --> 00:36:08.280 keep it. If that hadn't have happened for some odd reason, I 492 00:36:08.280 --> 00:36:13.960 would pride weekend. I would obviously be the first person to come into my 493 00:36:14.039 --> 00:36:19.000 room. Yeah. When you pulled about the sheets, witness, So what 494 00:36:19.079 --> 00:36:22.400 we've done that was him the beds made. We've made our bed and now 495 00:36:22.440 --> 00:36:27.559 you've got a line in it, right, Okay? Yeah, okay, 496 00:36:27.960 --> 00:36:31.360 yeah yeah, the first one, first one, Rather I come on it, 497 00:36:32.119 --> 00:36:36.960 come on the air, why not bonabatie, happy brunch, slap it 498 00:36:37.000 --> 00:36:39.000 down on the table. I'm joking. No, I would go for I 499 00:36:39.039 --> 00:36:42.840 would go for the first one because the second one would be absolutely more fine. 500 00:36:43.199 --> 00:36:47.239 Yeah, so how did you find that glorious? Yeah? I mean 501 00:36:47.400 --> 00:36:51.039 I just wanted to test your pride. But is there anything that you've done 502 00:36:51.039 --> 00:36:54.039 that has made you feel a little bit ashamed in my in my life, 503 00:36:54.199 --> 00:36:59.480 yeah, over the whole pride, like just in any pride situation. Got 504 00:37:00.800 --> 00:37:02.920 Some of my least proud moments have been on the days of random pride. 505 00:37:04.000 --> 00:37:07.920 Really, like last year I banged in the toilet, didn't I have fucking 506 00:37:08.480 --> 00:37:12.880 bricks and academy. I think the pink I'm not proud of that. Wow, 507 00:37:13.280 --> 00:37:15.440 I've had sex. I port loser pride, not proud of that. 508 00:37:16.000 --> 00:37:25.159 You know, lose, Yeah, I bet that absolutely hummed I was toilet. 509 00:37:28.480 --> 00:37:30.880 It just pride makes me this really horny in general, I think I 510 00:37:30.880 --> 00:37:35.960 think it does everyone. But do you remember it is it is a protest. 511 00:37:37.159 --> 00:37:38.679 Yeah, but like you can protest with your body for exactly Oh my 512 00:37:38.719 --> 00:37:44.559 god. So like there's here's a speaking away. Dad got a bit of 513 00:37:44.599 --> 00:37:49.599 a political process. So if you remember, cast your minds back to when 514 00:37:49.639 --> 00:37:52.880 we found out that we were leaving the European Union. It was the day 515 00:37:52.920 --> 00:38:00.679 before Pride Um. That that night, it was somebody's birthday Stonewall, and 516 00:38:00.719 --> 00:38:05.800 I was leading the charge marching the next day, and I was so depressed 517 00:38:05.840 --> 00:38:08.320 because we're leaving European Union. I ended up getting more and more drunk, 518 00:38:08.360 --> 00:38:13.079 and I ended up having a threesome with this couple who I did not fancy 519 00:38:13.480 --> 00:38:17.719 at all, and it was just it was a dumb mess. It was 520 00:38:17.920 --> 00:38:24.360 definitely a depression three way. And the next day I literally had to get 521 00:38:24.440 --> 00:38:30.239 up, clean myself off. You stayed the night. I stayed the night 522 00:38:30.519 --> 00:38:34.119 was so drunk and I had to wake the same. Yeah, and then 523 00:38:34.119 --> 00:38:36.679 I had to wake up like literally in a panic because I was like, 524 00:38:36.800 --> 00:38:38.480 I'm supposed to be marching. I need to go. I had to go 525 00:38:38.559 --> 00:38:42.079 home, get changed, and then had to like, you know, rally 526 00:38:42.159 --> 00:38:46.039 the troops with my megaphone the whole time. Literally believe I didn't read the 527 00:38:46.039 --> 00:38:52.119 megaphone in a completely different light now an absolute state. So yeah, that 528 00:38:52.199 --> 00:38:58.159 was That was something I wasn't so proud of. Yeah, but one thing 529 00:38:58.159 --> 00:39:02.559 I would say is whatever you do this, I'd remember, Um, we've 530 00:39:02.639 --> 00:39:07.800 done worse, No, but this is your time. This is our time 531 00:39:07.840 --> 00:39:14.239 to go well, to do do bits um and yeah just two bits, 532 00:39:14.280 --> 00:39:20.679 like an episode is I no, and just just generally like kick our fucking 533 00:39:20.679 --> 00:39:22.000 heels off. This is our time to fucking shine, So yeah, go 534 00:39:22.039 --> 00:39:27.400 out and do it. Cool. Should we take a quick break let's we'll 535 00:39:27.440 --> 00:39:30.480 be back in two. If you're looking, I might not come back. 536 00:39:38.079 --> 00:39:43.960 Hey hannees, we are back, back, back, back back again. 537 00:39:44.280 --> 00:39:46.920 Yeah four part two. Um, and we are going to go on to 538 00:39:47.079 --> 00:39:55.199 the Curious Cat section. Oh um, so we've had one in and actually, 539 00:39:55.280 --> 00:40:00.159 Johnny, it's about you. I never get curious cats. Well this 540 00:40:00.159 --> 00:40:02.639 one's about you and it isn't hate male. Oh my god. Even better. 541 00:40:02.760 --> 00:40:07.639 This is fucking turn up for the book. Honestly, I'm jogged. 542 00:40:08.199 --> 00:40:12.360 I haven't heard it yet, but me too. Um. Okay, So 543 00:40:13.360 --> 00:40:19.880 and non obviously obvious cat Curious Cat asked, is JP Longland single because I 544 00:40:19.920 --> 00:40:29.719 want to try some? So are you singly? I am not. I'm 545 00:40:29.760 --> 00:40:35.119 not and now officially have a boyfriend. I'm very excited about it. Actually 546 00:40:35.599 --> 00:40:39.199 he's very lovely, very sweet, super hot. Yeah into it. Oh 547 00:40:39.239 --> 00:40:47.000 my god, she is off the market. Silence. Yeah, but no, 548 00:40:47.079 --> 00:40:52.800 it snaps for you baby as well. Yeah, and we should dive 549 00:40:52.800 --> 00:40:55.199 back to you, back into Curious Cat because last week you weren't here. 550 00:40:55.480 --> 00:41:00.480 Oh my god, we got didn't we from some you know who's part? 551 00:41:00.840 --> 00:41:06.440 You who stole your part? You robbed? It was never my part a 552 00:41:06.559 --> 00:41:12.360 party in what little shop of horrors and you threw who I mean? Yeah, 553 00:41:12.440 --> 00:41:17.599 so like this person was personally this person was like kind of not my 554 00:41:17.719 --> 00:41:23.280 rival, but my theatrical rival. Definitely in school, two closeted kids who 555 00:41:23.400 --> 00:41:30.159 literally wanted to be in everything. Um and yeah when when he was made 556 00:41:30.159 --> 00:41:36.199 to see more, I was of course raging and not something I know something, 557 00:41:37.360 --> 00:41:42.760 but yeah, like I was absolutely like spitting feathers because I wanted to 558 00:41:42.760 --> 00:41:45.880 be the main part. I could just see it like, yeah, so 559 00:41:45.960 --> 00:41:47.280 of course I was petty and I called it a little shop of shit. 560 00:41:47.800 --> 00:41:51.800 I did. I would like a minie mister j. I did insist on 561 00:41:51.920 --> 00:41:58.880 choreographing my own piece. I was just a very extra extra child. But 562 00:41:58.920 --> 00:42:01.800 that was so nice to change, you know. I mean, I'm a 563 00:42:01.840 --> 00:42:06.679 wallflower now. I don't like to take too much time, as you know, 564 00:42:07.119 --> 00:42:13.079 barely said a thing today, Joshua. See. I was about to 565 00:42:13.119 --> 00:42:19.079 say, this is really just a taste for my podcast coming out soon when 566 00:42:19.119 --> 00:42:22.079 the right funder comes along, but oh no, no, Yeah, he 567 00:42:22.119 --> 00:42:27.079 was really really really sweet. It despite us kind of having a bit of 568 00:42:27.119 --> 00:42:31.559 a if you've spoken since crawled out the would work to drag you. Yeah, 569 00:42:31.639 --> 00:42:36.039 I mean rightly. So, No, yeah, I have a few. 570 00:42:36.079 --> 00:42:38.920 On a few occasions I have kind of touch base or people who I 571 00:42:38.960 --> 00:42:43.719 know have met him and they've kind of said that, and I've come up 572 00:42:43.719 --> 00:42:46.119 in conversation. Yeah, I really do hope that works. You know, 573 00:42:46.199 --> 00:42:51.280 they were talking about long distance relationships and it is really challenging. There is 574 00:42:51.320 --> 00:42:53.519 no right or wrong gunter for that. It just you just it is all 575 00:42:53.559 --> 00:42:58.079 about communication. You know, one cough on sky but at least once a 576 00:42:58.119 --> 00:43:01.760 month to keep that passion in their base more passionate than a skypewank. Yeah, 577 00:43:01.960 --> 00:43:05.320 well, I mean to come on, if it worked for Naomi come 578 00:43:05.679 --> 00:43:09.119 not known, Naomi Campbell, Naomi Kidman, was it in Big Little Lies? 579 00:43:09.199 --> 00:43:15.440 You remember that bit when she kind of gets what's her name? Semi 580 00:43:15.519 --> 00:43:22.360 home semi home today? Again? It is absolutely and actually it's Steamy Windy's 581 00:43:22.360 --> 00:43:27.159 in here. Um. But yeah, if I think you've just got to 582 00:43:27.239 --> 00:43:30.000 keep the passion alive, book lots of holidays where you can see each other 583 00:43:30.039 --> 00:43:32.559 together. I know that you can't offer much security, but just make sure 584 00:43:32.559 --> 00:43:36.800 that you're just you're checking in with one another. Really, that's my advice 585 00:43:36.840 --> 00:43:38.719 on that. I don't know what you're talking about it. Go back list 586 00:43:38.760 --> 00:43:44.239 to the last week's episode. Basically he's going, no, no, yeah, 587 00:43:44.639 --> 00:43:46.400 what we're talking about name? Yeah? So that I thought that was 588 00:43:46.440 --> 00:43:50.280 really sweet to hear it tear from him. I love it when people cot 589 00:43:50.000 --> 00:43:53.000 just just just message us just to drike you. I'm not you specifically. 590 00:43:54.760 --> 00:44:00.679 Yeah, if anyone went to school with Iver, Ben or John and is 591 00:44:00.679 --> 00:44:08.880 looking to drag them with any embarrassing stories, I am all is so the 592 00:44:09.039 --> 00:44:15.840 t on everybody's lips, honey is XXL maybe um on the way out? 593 00:44:16.360 --> 00:44:22.079 It maybe closing, maybe heading towards the exit. Yeah. Um. And 594 00:44:22.159 --> 00:44:23.719 you know what, it's really interesting because it's caused a bit of controversy. 595 00:44:23.760 --> 00:44:29.559 What are your initial thoughts on LA matter start with? In context of what 596 00:44:29.719 --> 00:44:31.760 XXL is and where it is. I think that's a good idea. Yeah. 597 00:44:32.000 --> 00:44:37.159 XXL massive massive club, one of probably the biggest. I would say 598 00:44:37.559 --> 00:44:39.599 it is the biggest one we have in London, like in physical capacities, 599 00:44:39.960 --> 00:44:45.159 Yeah, isn't it. Yeah, it's gotta be bigger than heaven. Um. 600 00:44:45.239 --> 00:44:52.119 It's it was like originally created as like a space for like it was 601 00:44:52.400 --> 00:44:57.880 a reputation for being a bare bar for men like thirty plus it has like 602 00:44:57.880 --> 00:45:02.719 a strict no women policy. Um, it's been it has been problematic in 603 00:45:02.760 --> 00:45:09.280 the past that the owner is well a controversial tiger. Yes, that's the 604 00:45:09.800 --> 00:45:14.880 way to say that. Um, yeah, he's obviously like super problematic. 605 00:45:14.920 --> 00:45:20.800 But the two things aren't linked. Like it's it's shit that London is going 606 00:45:20.840 --> 00:45:24.079 to lose another queer space, is my initial thoughts, especially because it's being 607 00:45:24.159 --> 00:45:30.480 lost to potentially lost to another block of luxury flats. Yeah, what we 608 00:45:30.519 --> 00:45:34.800 want to leave. And also also like just to point out as well, 609 00:45:34.920 --> 00:45:37.679 if you look across the road to Mexic, l a brand new tower block 610 00:45:37.800 --> 00:45:40.960 has already been like Luxury Partner has already been erected, like not that longer 611 00:45:42.119 --> 00:45:46.000 opened like within the last year. Luxury flats. That's what we leant. 612 00:45:46.079 --> 00:45:50.320 But someone did say someone was like I think maybe it was one of the 613 00:45:50.440 --> 00:45:53.480 owners or someone who was trying to keep back Exel that is that So we're 614 00:45:53.480 --> 00:45:57.480 going to have a bunch of luxury flats that are going to late empty. 615 00:45:57.719 --> 00:46:04.880 Yeah, because yeah always and we're talking about it sailer actually, and somebody 616 00:46:04.920 --> 00:46:07.239 made a very valid point. It's not like xx I was closing because the 617 00:46:07.320 --> 00:46:12.599 only is problematic, So therefore you can't celebrate that. You know, the 618 00:46:12.679 --> 00:46:15.239 two things, like I said, two things aren't linked, like he's problematic, 619 00:46:15.519 --> 00:46:19.400 fine, but that isn't the reason ext itself was closing. So a 620 00:46:19.480 --> 00:46:22.000 girl is a queer space exactly. I saw a lot of people like well 621 00:46:22.599 --> 00:46:25.360 fine, ha ha lala, or like whatever, and it means like, 622 00:46:25.440 --> 00:46:32.079 Okay, I understand that actually it's the club itself isn't super inclusive, and 623 00:46:32.199 --> 00:46:37.519 naturally the person who runs the club has had some really problematic right wing, 624 00:46:37.159 --> 00:46:43.800 xenophobic, misogynistic things. Yeah, however, this is a problem, is 625 00:46:43.840 --> 00:46:47.880 not um and that I agree with all of that. But what I do 626 00:46:47.960 --> 00:46:52.679 not, what I can't abide, is actually another quiz space being lost to 627 00:46:52.840 --> 00:46:58.000 property developers and that that that, for me, is a real real warrior 628 00:46:58.079 --> 00:47:01.559 trend. Thing I did notice is the way in a lot of the communications 629 00:47:01.599 --> 00:47:06.280 that they're doing is talking about rallying the community. Yeah yeah, and the 630 00:47:06.320 --> 00:47:09.000 posters that they're using, there's one where you know, it's showing city Karn 631 00:47:09.159 --> 00:47:13.639 and Amy LeMay and it's a bit like, well, no event, but 632 00:47:13.840 --> 00:47:16.000 it's the Conservative government or like it's the government in power at the moment that 633 00:47:16.119 --> 00:47:21.360 maybe a part of this problem. So singling out a labor mayor and actually 634 00:47:21.440 --> 00:47:23.880 Amy LeMay, who's done a lot for LGBT nightlife in trying to support and 635 00:47:23.880 --> 00:47:28.760 save me RVT, they aren't the two people that you should be blaming or 636 00:47:28.760 --> 00:47:34.079 you should be directing this vitriol towards. And that is and also what's going 637 00:47:34.119 --> 00:47:37.639 to be harder for XXCEL as a club to do is try and rally the 638 00:47:37.679 --> 00:47:44.480 community behind them, because actually it isn't. It's not a club for the 639 00:47:44.519 --> 00:47:49.519 community club game in so that is what yeah, exactly, and so that's 640 00:47:49.639 --> 00:47:52.320 and that's where I think they're going to run into a bit of difficulty. 641 00:47:52.679 --> 00:47:54.880 I mean, it is like a massive shame. And like I did see 642 00:47:54.880 --> 00:47:59.480 some people celebrating the fact that the club was closing, and I very much 643 00:47:59.519 --> 00:48:05.000 like understand people's opinions on that because, like like we said, the owners 644 00:48:05.719 --> 00:48:08.840 has been a problematic and said some really terrible things in the past, like 645 00:48:08.920 --> 00:48:13.800 you said, John, like it's the two aren't directly link, like that's 646 00:48:13.880 --> 00:48:16.840 not why it's closing down, And I just think it is very sad that 647 00:48:17.360 --> 00:48:20.920 it's something that's very interesting. Actually, I read an article not to Go 648 00:48:20.960 --> 00:48:25.159 Ago, which is talking about queer spaces closing down because younger people just aren't 649 00:48:25.199 --> 00:48:30.800 like going to them anymore. Yeah, And I'm just it's super sad that 650 00:48:30.800 --> 00:48:34.679 we're just going to get to a point where maybe we're going to have a 651 00:48:34.679 --> 00:48:37.599 handful of bars and clubs left that we can go to and feel safe in 652 00:48:37.639 --> 00:48:40.519 because that's arguably what they are. Therefore I feel safe. You want to 653 00:48:40.519 --> 00:48:43.559 go to a gay club, and I don't really go to straight clubs because 654 00:48:43.559 --> 00:48:46.599 I don't like them. Yeah, yeah, I've obviously going to open a 655 00:48:46.599 --> 00:48:50.360 lovely queer space in its very room at some point when I put my finger 656 00:48:50.360 --> 00:48:58.360 out, But yeah, I feel like I feel like I definitely don't feel 657 00:48:58.480 --> 00:49:05.039 unsafe in heterosexual quote unquote spaces. I don't. But then also that comes 658 00:49:05.039 --> 00:49:07.840 down to privilege as well. It's just straight passing exactly why. I don't 659 00:49:07.840 --> 00:49:09.800 know what straight passing is, but you know what I mean, Like, 660 00:49:10.039 --> 00:49:12.840 I don't know what you know what I mean, and I do know what 661 00:49:12.840 --> 00:49:17.599 you mean, But it's just a sense of community within like gay bars, 662 00:49:17.639 --> 00:49:23.239 gay pubs, and it's just it's just an atmosphe experience isn't replicated anywhere else. 663 00:49:23.400 --> 00:49:28.760 No of just being amongst your own exactly like with other people who share 664 00:49:29.159 --> 00:49:32.880 similar experiences to you. Like, that's that can't be played down. That's 665 00:49:32.880 --> 00:49:37.559 something that's super important, and it is just a massive shame that we could 666 00:49:37.599 --> 00:49:43.280 be seeing another space go to something that's not necessarily needed, like more luxury 667 00:49:43.320 --> 00:49:49.239 apartments when there's affordable homes, and then come to exactly specifically for the LGBT 668 00:49:49.360 --> 00:49:54.320 community right right XXL the flat, the lot, the lot of flats be 669 00:49:54.360 --> 00:49:59.840 wild. So here's the gym, here's the sauna, steam room, and 670 00:50:00.039 --> 00:50:06.920 this is the residents dock next to the car park. To be fair, 671 00:50:06.920 --> 00:50:08.639 they're gonna have to knock that entire post down and start from scratch, because 672 00:50:08.639 --> 00:50:13.840 I don't think any amount of deep cleaning could get that place ready for gay 673 00:50:13.880 --> 00:50:19.199 ghosts, the babies that have been swallowed on that Oh my god, too 674 00:50:19.280 --> 00:50:24.840 much. But yeah, it's like, you know, like an ancient burial 675 00:50:24.920 --> 00:50:29.239 ground, but just for like absolute trash. If you hit it on a 676 00:50:29.320 --> 00:50:39.159 quiet night, you can hear DP me daddy, that's what you can actually 677 00:50:39.159 --> 00:50:45.239 hear. That's the ghost yea. And on that note, I think I 678 00:50:45.239 --> 00:50:50.239 should bid you a due for the week. You won't actually hear much from 679 00:50:50.320 --> 00:50:54.599 us until London Pride. So for those who are at London Pride or celebrating 680 00:50:54.639 --> 00:50:58.280 Black Pride, which I know I will be out and I hope to see 681 00:50:58.280 --> 00:51:01.119 some of your queens of color there. Um yeah, like, have a 682 00:51:01.159 --> 00:51:06.920 fantastic time. Please stay safe, look after one another, and just remember 683 00:51:06.960 --> 00:51:10.639 to stay proud. Yes, um, so let's also it will be the 684 00:51:10.719 --> 00:51:14.400 Pride episodes. Is that going to be our Yes? And yeah, so 685 00:51:14.440 --> 00:51:15.960 we've got one more episode left after this for this season. Then we're gonna 686 00:51:15.960 --> 00:51:20.480 take a little break and we're going to put a date on it this time. 687 00:51:20.519 --> 00:51:22.960 They write, Yeah, it will be a little break. Don't don't 688 00:51:22.960 --> 00:51:27.480 worry. I know you'll not get sometimes separation anxiety, although this time you're 689 00:51:27.480 --> 00:51:32.039 probably gonna be like fuck off a no comeback after this episode probably. Yeah, 690 00:51:32.079 --> 00:51:37.559 if Josh hosts again, I'm literally revoking my subscription. But yeah, 691 00:51:37.599 --> 00:51:42.000 like that will be our last one of this season. Yeah yeah, so 692 00:51:42.119 --> 00:51:45.000 definitely tune in for that. All right, So if you've got any I'd 693 00:51:45.000 --> 00:51:47.639 love some juicy dilemmas for the last episode. So if you do have any, 694 00:51:47.679 --> 00:51:52.559 please Messy Pride Special, Yes, four episode of mess Having a Pride. 695 00:51:52.599 --> 00:51:59.639 Please just live live Curious Cats Day and it is SoRs Cat on the 696 00:51:59.679 --> 00:52:02.800 Last Joyous Cap. I'll on Twitter, out on the Latch and the links 697 00:52:02.800 --> 00:52:06.639 on there. Okay, yeah, so on Twitter on the Latch, follow 698 00:52:06.679 --> 00:52:12.639 us there, on the Latch podcast on Instagram only fans in the working and 699 00:52:12.800 --> 00:52:16.119 of course it is on the Latch podcast at gmail dot com if you want 700 00:52:16.119 --> 00:52:20.199 an emails. But yeah, have a fantastic weekend. I love y'all. 701 00:52:20.639 --> 00:52:21.599 Fine, Fine,