You're ready, I'm ready. You said that was some determination. Okay,
let's get this fucking show on the road. Hey, queens, welcome to
on the Latch today. It is your host, Joshi Willisy the Black Gay
Versia here. She's large and in charge today, guys, and it's going
to be a fucking wild one. All right, come on when you're ready.
Me not your host today, not burn and it's me JP longhand Oh
I love it when you're you. I was about to say, how does
it feel with me in the driving scenes? It make you a little bit
nervous because we've got the two most seasoned hosts here along with them, it's
so weird to have been not not housed in the podcast. And I don't
feel like I'm in any fit state after after the season full start, but
a weekend in general, I just don't feel like I'm in any fit state
to be hosting anything. So I'm sat here with my frozen marquery and minded
my business. Maybe this is my calling. Maybe I'm gonna be more fun
now that I'm not the host. Oh my god, Oh my god.
Yeah guy for the episode, could you imagine? Yeah? So, how's
your week's been what's tea? Were both to say it, swigging alcohol,
like, come on, Josh, guy, babes, my week has been
good, very good week. It was fine. August on my David,
I'm what a fake bitch. No, it hasn't been fine. Let's let's
let's hear some tea. I'm really some burnt. There we go as p
usual every time the sun's out. I went on the Latch podcast. I'm
like, guys, I'm burnt and read raw. Oh I'm just so yeah.
I love the sun you do, but doesn't love you true truly.
M Yeah, we got a good weekend. We've literally spent like the whole
weekend together. See, we're friends. I would literally just saying before but
we should we just get to do We had a curious cut in, so
we're just going to skip straight to it. I'm turning things on the head.
We had a curious cut in and they said that they were genuinely disappointed
that we weren't as close as as we appeared to be. And then Ben,
when we told bend up Thursday, Ben's head was get a grip.
But I said, we are friends, and like, I think that that's
the two spectrums of this podcast. I'm range you've got bookends. I'm literally
like best friends. Ben's like, do I have to see you this week?
Truly? But now, yeah, that's really sweet. We do all
get on, we all have a laugh, and we all have each other's
backs that I feel like one of those girl bands that has to defend themselves
that they're not falling out and they're not like fighting over hair extensions or something.
I feel like everyone thinks that we super super close, super super hate
each other, which is interesting because actually, like fall Ty, this has
probably been the most like together they've been like times when actually it's been more
potentially times that have been more fraught. But actually in this seasons' real piece
and hear everyone had a fight every season. Not a physical fight, no,
but like we've had sat down at the end our only fans. What
was it the guy got about raw club tune in? Yeah, Like it's
just more like it's all trivial that it's kind of yeah, we all get
on and it's it's kind of just like a mel By Jerry moment. It's
not a get well soon Jerry moment, you know, And it's six people
with varying opinions so we did this every episode, were like, guys,
we love each other off back, that's why people think we hate each other
exactly. The ladies too much. One of us is going to break off
and go solo before you know it. Oh my god. And if anybody
has any opportunity, I am now joking. I could never do that to
you. Queen's Um. Yeah, so in your week, yeah, a
good week. Yeah, a good weekend. And so today when I got
standard on the train in the arsender nowhere, that literally sounded horrific. The
train just break down, didn't move in the middle of the field and then
the ac broke. So we were just sat for two hours and swearing train
and I was hung over two hours sleep. So that was just adding to
all of my traumas. Can you think of anything worse? You must heap
baby, Yes you. How was your week, Joshua? How was la?
Didn't you could go to my lady business class? Somebody asked, oh
my god, I was dying. When can I talk about me as the
host? No, it has been amazing. I had just such a fun
holiday. Um. I mean I was there for work. I don't never
mentioned it was did fly business class? Um? There's a Kathy and Kim.
There's a clip of Kathy and Kim who did it? Of those who
watch it, where um, where Kath is literally calling almost everybody she knows
basically doesn't even know. Yes, it did basically tell them that she's flying
business class and that was me. Um. And it was like, I
mean, what I've got to say about business class before the holiday? Um?
Like it was really good, Like I loved the I love the lounge.
The lounge the biggert recognized in the air, didn't you. I mean,
okay, it was spoilable, you know already kind of I kind of
wanted to reveal that on my own, but I don't since I don't since
it was already on my INSTAGRAMKT was out of the bag. But yes,
I was recognized that thirty five thousand feet um. And yeah, I literally
was such a greedy bitch. I just had a three course meal and I
finished that bit hungry, went back for some more snacks and I was like,
can I just get some You know, when you just try not to
look like you can complete duck out of water, which obviously I was,
And I was like, do you know where I can get more snacks and
they were like, there's a there's a like there's a fridge there where you
can get sandwiches or like knots or whatever. Free Yeah, and it's not
freeze that you pay how much you didn't? I didn't, but yeah,
they they pay up front. Um. And then really cute guy, really
sweet. It's called Liam and it was British Airways on the podcast yesterday you
miss me because they said, don't give them more promote You said another airline,
but yeah, no, British Airways. They looked after me really really
well and yeah, shout out to Liam is really really sweet. Um.
Yeah, so that was really that was really nice to feel recognized. Can
you believe I felt like such a fucking rock star? Rihanna Who and I
just sat there But realistically I just drunk champagne for ten hours, watched three
films and didn't stop crying something about this phenomenal It really was maybe your energy.
Actually I am. Someone came into the pub this week and as I
walked as I walked through the door, they were like, are you Jplong
from on the latch? So I can't I don't remember his name, same
shout out to him. As well. Yeah, I love that was but
yeah, so that so that was really fun. La was amazing. What
I would say is I would have liked to say, spend a little more
time there, because five days he kind of I really pictured myself, you
know, hiking seeing the Hollywood sign along Nice Beach. Realistically, I was
hungover most of the time. I did see a lot of downtown because I
was there for the first two days, so I was like, by the
pool on the roof. That was cool. Went to a drag brunch,
met Monique Hart, who was an art sweetheart, and we were just chilling
with her outside afterwards for a few hours, just lovely and real life.
So imagine she would Yes, she's exactly no, exactly this like exactly the
same. She's just very like just full of life and very funny. I
think you and Minique probably share like the very same energy, so you can
see that you're like two pears in the pod we come together. When I
saw that picture, I was like, I can hear this. I was
like, is this this is deafening? Yeah, a concept, but yeah,
she was so so nice and that was really funnill love because now it's
a big Real Housewives fan. So were you going to say bottom? I
don't know what you're gonna I mean, but no, no, no,
he's a real I mean, is it you can say he's a real top?
Wow? No, I mean he's a Real Housewives fun that they're too
compatible. I would say so Ben diagrammar bottoms and huge, huge Real Housewives
funs just a circle um. But yeah, no, no, he's a
big Real Housewives fun um. And so we went. We were going to
go to Lisa Vanderpump's restaurant, but it was closed. But who do we
see when we were on our way there? Lisa vunder Pump's husband, Ken.
So if you watched the show, it means something to do. If
you haven't, you be like, who the folks that? Because I bought
a bit I bought a video up on Instagram and I was like, oh
my god, we've just seen Ken from Real Housewives. And my mom's as
quick as a flash man. Who the fuck is Ken? She literally had
no time, but it was really fun. We had a really, really
good time. Everyone's so smiley that the tipping bits really complicated. Just in
America generally, what the tipping trash? I can't When I went to New
York for work. A couple of years ago. I remember saying, oh,
I've always wanted to like live in New York and like work in New
York's. This will be really fun and by the end of the eight days
also get me home. It's just like, I feel like it's just such
a culture shock to be like down to little things like the way Americans use
chip and pin and their card and like they're really just got like Apple pay
on the oyster, on the subway system and blah blah. It's very wild
to me, and like literally things are coming out of my account like seven
days later because you know, I like tip Susie at the bar. It's
like and also like tax not being on anything until you like not being on
the price exactly like the Sarah Paulson give all the triangles and algorithms behind it,
Like what the fuck is going on? Eggs me maths, I know,
but it was amazing. So I really really did enjoy that. But
enough about me. I it has been nice. But the minute I came
back from LA I saw everybody flying off to New York. Yeah, raging
because of course, and as you've been under rock, it is Stonewall fifty
and it is World Pride in New York. So it's fifty years since the
Stonewall Riots, which really did launch it kind of spoked fire in a global
movement. Yeah, that did run to form LGBT liberation certainly in the Western
world, but has had definitely an impact worldwide. Ye. And so yeah,
how does everybody feel fifty years it's wild that it's only fifty years ago
and like the progress that Yeah, I think that actually probably says a lot
more than like on you see on surface level like fifty years is it's not
a long time. It's not a long time. I was actually I felt
really emotional about it on that it was Friday, it was fifty years yes,
I think, yeah, whatever day it was, I just felt really
emotional about it, and I was reading fifty tweets like this is actually wild,
that's only fifty years ago. I think as well. I'm sure that
we think we touched upon properly like in a minute, but I think as
well, it's more emotional because I feel like the people who really like the
nuts and bolts to that movement and getting everything like moving and the reason we
have the rights of you need today and blah blah blah. I kind of
like not as well known as they should be. And I feel like,
yeah, a lot of people like don't know their history and blah blah blah,
and it's it's a massive shame that something so important that they've done and
they're kind of like not written into the history books, Like yeah, I
mean, I mean even a time where it's so easy to find out about
our history and to appreciate our history, Like everything's there on today, right
in front of you. If you want to know about you can. You
can know about it, and there's places you can go and you know,
read and learn, and it's I feel like people a lot of people have
no idea about what So I tried to do that discreetly, especially in a
time like now though, because at the time like now, it's almost like
we've come full circle and we're back to right. We need to step up
us he's up again and keep keep this fighting. We're not where we should
be or where we want to be. We don't all have equal rights across
the board, across the entire community. So you should be looking back at
what those people did at Stone were fifty years ago because chances are we might
need to be doing that again fifty years later, which is which is yeah,
the reality of it. I do think it's real. It's really easy
to think that these rights are linear and that freedom is something that can be
taken for granted or like you know, rights, but like we've seen in
many different places, but things can change, things can roll back, and
so it's really important to understand our history so that actually we can seek to
address the balance in the present, but also look to the future and safeguard
those rights. Yeah, you know, and you look at the people that
started the movement and they're the very same people that need protecting and looking after
and ally ship now you know, we haven't you know, despite the fact
it was trans women of color that kind of excide that movement, those are
still the people that are persecuted the most and hurt the most, definitely,
And like, you know, it is really important. There are still people
who don't know about Marsha P. Johnson or Sylvia Rivera, about Stormy,
about some of the real key people who are at the start and very forefront
the brunt of that movement. And actually just as they sparked that off,
they were rejected by mainstream mainly gay and lesbian movement for being either being too
on the outside I would say, not tolerable enough to mainstream society. And
other problem is as well. I think the problem is that as as minorities,
we we obviously feel that we feel we feel like a sense of allyeship
between ourselves. I think until we personally feel accepted, and then after that
you kind of get pushed into You're still the minority, but you're kind of
being pushed to the other side of that where you're like, Okay, look,
as a for example, white gay, I feel now more accepted the
mainstream blah blah blah. But now let's look back at our I like our
trans community, and yeah, I feel like when you your rights are kind
of being pushed along and other people's aren't coming along at the same pace.
People forget that, Oh he doesn't just stop in them with me. People
don't hold the door open. No, they kind of bolster through in And
people sometimes think, oh, it's evolving, and that's privilege, isn't it
really? People think, oh, I'm through, what's taking them so long?
Yeah? But actually that takes it takes people to hold that door open.
What I did think was absolutely beautiful to see was Whoopie Goldberg bring Lady
Phil like the UK Black Pride up on up on stage. She's a you
know, a Pride Marshal this year, and that was just so fantastic to
see somebody from our culture's part of it's been so instrumental in our country do
something like that. It's cool, right, incredible, and it's just not
There's so many people out there that obviously we know personally, that are doing
amazing things and kind of deserve to be there and recognized. Yeah, although
I'm so jealous of all the content on a STEM, I think me too.
I've been so jealous as well. Like it is, like, but
it's lovely to see everybody having such a fantastic time. But yeah, oh
my god, I have been so fucking insanely jealous. And I know I've
been on holiday for a month, but it is. But it's really nice
to see everybody have such a great time and it's such a fantastic celebration.
But there was one thing actually that did kind of that I did see on
Twitter and that I think it was kind of gone viable. It was a
tweet that said a black trans woman disrupted a drug show at Stonewall to call
out the hypocrisy how Pride was all about parties and corporations and now even though
black trans women are dying, all hell broke loose. I just think that's
just so Fifty years on it was the same people who really needed that,
allies, and she was kind of met with hostility. The absolute irony of
all that after black trans people were, you know, the people at the
forefront of leading the right at the stone Wall inn that fifty years later to
the day, no less people in Stonewall intone literally saying, oh, we
might call the cops on a black trans woman who's trying to say, can
you be an ally to us because we're being murdered. Yeah, Like that's
and by people in the stone Wall. And I don't mean like people who
work for stone Well, I mean like customers in the stone Wall. But
like, that's the irony of that is. I can't believe it. I've
read that thread three times and it's actually disgusting, and we spoke of it.
It's like numerous times of a Pride month about how like yeah, it's
got corporate or it's the celebration, and you know, and we've all said,
you know, the first and foremost Pride as the protest, and it
just continue to be there. It's just a lot, It's just such a
shit thing to happen, Yeah, on the anniversary, on the exact anniversary
understainable why rights, And in all Pride celebrations, we really have to be
mindful like who is this for? Who is this supporting? Is this sos
gays can have a gay old time and have a really good laugh, or
is it actually to support the most vulnerable in our society? And when we
do have those things that is a celebration, where is the space and where
is the giving up of the power for those who are disenfranchised to speak their
truth? And I think that's what we really have to kind of get back
to. And do you know what I before, like, let me explain
before everyone's like what the fuck? I understand the gray space of people wanting
to go to Pride and have a good time. We've heard like one of
the like lines of this year that I keep hearing over and over is that
you know, Pride is not a party, it's a protest. And that
is absolutely right. That's absolutely true. I feel like there's that like trying
to find that balance of you know, this is a particular day. I
know we have Pride month, but say, for example, you don't travel
outside of your own city to go to a pride. You have one pride.
You have one day to celebrate yourself, your identity, your community's identity.
You have one day to kind of let your voice be heard and make
sure that you're you know, pushing forwards, that we're kind of moving the
movement forwards. You have a day to you know, celebrate with your friends.
So it's a lot to kind of balance. But yeah, you shouldn't
forget that. You can't show up to pride and be like Tequila's and nothing
else like and if you are going to do that, all credits. You
have time of your life. But please know what Please know what pride is
and what it's there for and why we still have it. It's not just
there anymore. But it's not there because we're now like, Okay, we've
got the rights we need. We're just going to go and have a gay
old time with ourselves and have fun. And there's plenty of space for it
to be based. Yeah, you know, you're not you know, we're
not saying don't go and have a good time, you know, but celebrated
people that are still pushing rights forwards don't just get late. They always find
as well. Interestingly, people never know what goes on in their city's pride
outside of that main day. So I remember last year I was invited to
an event and like that launch London Pride, and they were listening off it
was like an entire month's worth of activities, talks, panels, events that
were going on throughout the entire month, which was London Pride. Ye.
The weekend was just you know, the main parade blah bla blah blah.
And I think Manchester have the same thing because it's called the Big Weekend.
But either side of that you have events, talks panels and no one.
I feel like they are so underrepresented and um they're not made taking advantage of
like they should be because they're there for a reason and you know, people
should really take advantage of those. So if you're if your Pride hasn't already
been and gone, or you're going to a pride, I would strongly suggest
looking at what's going on around pride either side of the main weekend because you
will find that it's really enlightening and there's a lot of fun things out there
to do. It's not all like doom in gloom and being told that you
know, we don't have rights and we still need to push forwards, which
is true, but I mean exactly, there is a there is there is
a variety within within a Pride schedule. Um, I do what I think
is really I saw a really interesting thing from Morgan Page who works at Stonewall,
and um, she said, well as much as many other things,
I think she's got her own podcast as well. Um, she's a great
writer. But she kind of talked about actually, how if Sylvia Rivera was
alive today, a lot of the people who kind of hold hold her up
in kind of in a mythological way and kind of and talk about how amazing
they were to push forward, right, would today find her annoying frustrating you
know, actually a bit of a kind of a barrier to them having a
good time. Yeah, And I do think that's kind of thing like,
you know, whilst we talk about marshpe Johnson masks, we talk about those
people, think about there's still people pushing from the sidelines today. So don't
let them die for us to say, God, they really did something there.
They were really trying to push movement forward and we weren't listening because actually
there's a video of Sylvia Rivera when she's on stage and she's getting booed by
lesbian and gays, and she's talking about the experience of trans people, and
so, you know, we don't want that to happen again. We don't
want to look back and say, as gay people, and I'm speaking about
two gay men, really that we didn't do more then because we are in
a very tans were still in a really transphobic time. So yeah, I
just I wanted to kind of say that. Okay, So we talked a
little bit about pride, and now I kind of want to ask you some
questions, but not about how proud you are. Actually what would make you
the least proud. I'm gonna throw some scenarios at you and I want to
find out what would you actually be less proud about. Okay, So the
first situation either, um, okay, so getting caught one king by a
parent parent of your choice. Now I'm jogging bearing you actually care most about?
Okay, I do listen to the episode or opening up your work computer
and some really fucking filthy porn playing And I'm not talking, yeah, I'm
talking like piss on me again, like a love role play. I would.
I'd rather open my work laptop and they'd be really dirty porn on it.
Then my mom catched me wanking. I would, and it's a busy
office Ben, I would flip what John said. I would rather be caught
whanking by my mom, mostly because I'm going to assume that my lightning quick
reflexes would mean anyway. So obviously we'd both know what I'd been doing,
but she wouldn't have seen much so and I've like it. I mean,
I think everyone's been in that position before, where it's like someone's coming unannounced
and you both know what the other was, what one was doing, and
you just haven't remembered. A really awful scenario. Go on, I'm about
to share this. I am caught him for a night out once, absolutely
bollocks. I bore my mum's laptop and fed asleep with it with the pawn
on nick in hand. Probably well. I woke up in the morning,
the laptop was gone. My mum had coming to take it back, and
she was like, can you just not use my laptop for like as an
adult man as well, like not be talking maybe like ten years ago,
but like, yeah, mortified for you it was awful. But I feel
like if like someone like, I've working quite a chill environment, so if
somebody just so really ghastly porn. I mean, I'm working in a chill
environment, but like like a professional, not even just that. It's just
I'm not like I just no, no, I can't. It's embarrassing enough
when like my headphones haven't connected and suddenly like thank you, next starts playing,
right, It's embarrassing enough when that happens. I don't want screaming club
playing. I mean, if you ever like opened your phone up on like
the tube, the last thing is literally no, because I am clever and
I close on my taft after I'm finished. Some people don't do it all
the time, Sirie, it was like, I don't understand Sab doesn't get
it, and I don't understand all the things you're making me play. What
would you rather the work one every time? Although it is more it would
leave me in a predicament because I actually only have a work laptop. Um.
Yeah, like, I would probably go over that one because I don't
want I don't I wouldn't want my mom to to walk in on me.
Um. Although I remember seating on Twitter one story that really haunted me about
a guy I think I think it was a guy. He basically is he
was winking and he had his eyes closed, like in the throes of passion
with himself. And when he and when he when he like like came opened
his eyes turned to bed to a table to get a tissue. There was
a fresh cup of tea on the bedside table that this moment just brought in
for him. And she just walked in placed the cup of tea down.
What back she stayed for? Oh, John, I don't know why she
would put the tea down. I would just take one two. Um,
but yeah, that's pretty appalling. Um. Okay, so how about this
then? Um? So these are the classics? So well, I'm not
the classics following through drawing. Sex doesn't matter if you're topping, um or
just throwing up on someone's dick. And I'm not talking just a bit of
worry. I'm talking actual kebab. Are you asking me if I would rather
follow through ship myself duringsect or vomit duringsex? Is that what you're asking me?
I'll be pride. Oh that is a tricky one, Ben, you
can go first on this occasion. What a question? Thank you? Would
you rather? I would rather throw up because I could be like you were
just too big rather than well, if you can share, it's not the
same. You could just dog it's more their problem if you Yeah. But
as as a top, if I'm shitting myself during sex, that is my
problem, right, like that is fully my problem. Oh yeah, I'd
rather vom Definitely, I'd rather vomb Yeah, yeah, that's cross I mean.
Okay, how about fucking an ex's brother or fucking your best friends X?
What would you feel worse about? What was my ex's brother? Absolutely?
Oh no, I would rather What would you feel less proud about?
Oh, fucking my best friend's X? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, a
loyal queen. Okay, how about this one? And that was actually a
bit too easy. About fucking your ex's dad? What fucking your best friend's
X? Yeah? Okay, Um, I'm trying to think of a worse
one. Actually, no, there is no worse one than fucking your best
friend's X. Is that well, fucking you friend? No, yeah,
fucking you're brought No fucking your ex is married? Dad? Would that?
Would you feel less? I'm king? But but what I'm saying married to
mom of twenty five years you want a home you want a home wreck,
or you want a fucking friend's X. I'm just saying that I would never.
It depends how you broke up with the X son I'm your mom.
Now it sounds like a revenge pyeh does? Yeah? Okay, yeah I
would also, Yeah, I probably the brothers down whatever family true. Christmas
is going to be fun and I'm expecting presents. Give mommy a kissing.
We are all evil bastards, Okay. So I've got um um a couple
more. Accidentally putting a nude on your inst story for six hours, okay,
um or accidentally sucking off your boss in the dark room. Oh,
I would be less proud of the nude on my incub story because like if
if you did that with your boss in the dark room, like you were
both in there anyway, you're both in there for something. It just so
happened that you accidentally did it with each other, and it can just stay
between you two, So I would. I would, Hi, boss,
if you're listening, Oh yeah, he doesn't listen to the shows, and
that's lovely. And I would definitely rather have my nude on Instagram for six
whole hours. It's not six whole hours? Was that? That's six different
whole Noah, you really you'd rather have your nude on your inter story for
six hours? Every single person that follows you, Yeah, we'll see that
six okay. Yeah, that's a very interesting, lovely penis. Wow.
And if you tune into our own plans dark trying only fans happ but no,
on a serious though, I would, Well, firstly, I don't
have a boss who I would unlikely to see. Both my bosses are lesbians,
so I'm less likely to see them in the dark room, I think,
I've got to say. But also with NI, so I would.
Obviously, you must check your views on Insta, on your inst story within
like three minutes, so there's absolutely no way in hell that's done for six
hours. But you realize it isn't. Actually the one thing I don't check
to which is my view my story views, whether I liked, whether something
gets liked on Maine. Then yeah, I'm keep an eye on it,
even even if it's just something like I feel like everyone has that double trip
or quadre poor check if you send something a bit risque and so you want
to just double checks that it didn't go on your story backs did. But
also like I could just be posting like a picture of the sun and I'd
go back and be like, wait is that still and there's my deck in
the background, just reflected in the mirror. You could do something like that.
Way you could take a bitch, can't you ever seems like that someone
trying to take a picture through a window and then like they're literally like completely
start bullet naked, putting their socks. You didn't think that would through?
Yeah, I would go for the insto story as well. Um okay,
how about this? Um okay, So you're dating a guy, you dated
a guy, yeah, and then you see them on a night out and
you try and chat them up like you've never met them before, okay,
Or you go somebody on a date and you see them that very night.
Did someone in the podcast have this? Maybe anyone's going to go someone and
then see them later Probably the ill it would be John, How dare you
go on handle someone on on the day and then see them out, so
you're supposed to be them on a date. Radio sad me because I'd canceled
and I'll be home. I would have canceled, but my I would have
canceled like it would be excused like oh, I've got such a headache,
or I'm really ill, be fine, I don't want to go. Yeah,
someone Actually one of my friends earlier, I went to one of my
friends as for the first time, and I was like, oh my god,
you haven't seen my fun yet and I was like, no, you
never invite me. Was like, actually I do. You just always canceled
the last minute. And I was like, well, there we are,
there we have it. And these probably both of these things have probably happened
to me. I can't think of like obvious examples. Great, I'm sure
they feel even better about that. I'm sure that's happened to me. And
I can't remember you was that insignificant? I would rather the first one.
I think, what so you just go on a date with someone, fucked
them and then introduce yourself as if you've never met them A few like yeah,
like think about it, logically, No, John, we're talking about
that's difficult, but there's like you could cancel and then if you see them
on that same night, you could just be like, my friend was going
really through it and he's dragged me out and I had to be here.
The logical thing to do is like yeah, absolutely, or just be like
well, yeah, no, if you've got yourself in that position, no,
no, no, I guess if you've been on an actual whole date
and then met them on and then fucked and then met them on the night
out and not remember that's mortifying spends how long it's been between its. Yeah,
I personally would I the first one much better just going I mean the
second one much better, like going on a day and then ghosting someone on
a date and then seeing them out, because if you didn't reply to the
thing, you'd be like, oh, I'm so sorry on airplay, do
you know what I mean? Like, And chances are chances are that person
is not going to come over and be like I thought you were going to
be out tonight exactly, could even neck on with them, like you could
even you could even try and make it like there's there's something I came out
to surprise you. Surprise are you shocks. Okay, one last one.
So you show up to brunch rocking as something about Mary with a big load
of come on your ear um, or you bring a boy back to the
house but you haven't changed the skit sheets and the last bottom made a complete
mess on the sheets, and the new guy clocks you. No way.
First of all, those sheets are being changed before we go to sleep.
But I'm sorry, this is my situation. Okay, so then, but
I've written this situation even if so, I just needed to clarify that as
once again, do I want to go out? We've come in my hair,
come on your ear? Off your ear liking something about Mary for a
day but like a big lobular of it, or yeah, you're bringing you?
Is it? It's a guy's been bringing back from a day perhaps over
Pride weekend. You'd had someone in the day before, and the sheets of
a stay and they clock you on it. No, Oh, who knows
is to come on my ear? Everybody everyone goes john that and we're going
I reckon. I don't reckon. If I saw someone would come hanging off
the ear issuent was come, I think I would go to with your friends.
I think I would go. I think I would go to every single
possible other outcome. And before I got to come on that hollandaise, I'm
going to brunch with my friends. I guess I think I'd rather have come
on my ear. I guess. Yeah. It's a funny story, isn't
it. Yeah, But to be fair either way, I mean, if
I came home like John said, I mean the sheets would have been changed,
keep it. If that hadn't have happened for some odd reason, I
would pride weekend. I would obviously be the first person to come into my
room. Yeah. When you pulled about the sheets, witness, So what
we've done that was him the beds made. We've made our bed and now
you've got a line in it, right, Okay? Yeah, okay,
yeah yeah, the first one, first one, Rather I come on it,
come on the air, why not bonabatie, happy brunch, slap it
down on the table. I'm joking. No, I would go for I
would go for the first one because the second one would be absolutely more fine.
Yeah, so how did you find that glorious? Yeah? I mean
I just wanted to test your pride. But is there anything that you've done
that has made you feel a little bit ashamed in my in my life,
yeah, over the whole pride, like just in any pride situation. Got
Some of my least proud moments have been on the days of random pride.
Really, like last year I banged in the toilet, didn't I have fucking
bricks and academy. I think the pink I'm not proud of that. Wow,
I've had sex. I port loser pride, not proud of that.
You know, lose, Yeah, I bet that absolutely hummed I was toilet.
It just pride makes me this really horny in general, I think I
think it does everyone. But do you remember it is it is a protest.
Yeah, but like you can protest with your body for exactly Oh my
god. So like there's here's a speaking away. Dad got a bit of
a political process. So if you remember, cast your minds back to when
we found out that we were leaving the European Union. It was the day
before Pride Um. That that night, it was somebody's birthday Stonewall, and
I was leading the charge marching the next day, and I was so depressed
because we're leaving European Union. I ended up getting more and more drunk,
and I ended up having a threesome with this couple who I did not fancy
at all, and it was just it was a dumb mess. It was
definitely a depression three way. And the next day I literally had to get
up, clean myself off. You stayed the night. I stayed the night
was so drunk and I had to wake the same. Yeah, and then
I had to wake up like literally in a panic because I was like,
I'm supposed to be marching. I need to go. I had to go
home, get changed, and then had to like, you know, rally
the troops with my megaphone the whole time. Literally believe I didn't read the
megaphone in a completely different light now an absolute state. So yeah, that
was That was something I wasn't so proud of. Yeah, but one thing
I would say is whatever you do this, I'd remember, Um, we've
done worse, No, but this is your time. This is our time
to go well, to do do bits um and yeah just two bits,
like an episode is I no, and just just generally like kick our fucking
heels off. This is our time to fucking shine, So yeah, go
out and do it. Cool. Should we take a quick break let's we'll
be back in two. If you're looking, I might not come back.
Hey hannees, we are back, back, back, back back again.
Yeah four part two. Um, and we are going to go on to
the Curious Cat section. Oh um, so we've had one in and actually,
Johnny, it's about you. I never get curious cats. Well this
one's about you and it isn't hate male. Oh my god. Even better.
This is fucking turn up for the book. Honestly, I'm jogged.
I haven't heard it yet, but me too. Um. Okay, So
and non obviously obvious cat Curious Cat asked, is JP Longland single because I
want to try some? So are you singly? I am not. I'm
not and now officially have a boyfriend. I'm very excited about it. Actually
he's very lovely, very sweet, super hot. Yeah into it. Oh
my god, she is off the market. Silence. Yeah, but no,
it snaps for you baby as well. Yeah, and we should dive
back to you, back into Curious Cat because last week you weren't here.
Oh my god, we got didn't we from some you know who's part?
You who stole your part? You robbed? It was never my part a
party in what little shop of horrors and you threw who I mean? Yeah,
so like this person was personally this person was like kind of not my
rival, but my theatrical rival. Definitely in school, two closeted kids who
literally wanted to be in everything. Um and yeah when when he was made
to see more, I was of course raging and not something I know something,
but yeah, like I was absolutely like spitting feathers because I wanted to
be the main part. I could just see it like, yeah, so
of course I was petty and I called it a little shop of shit.
I did. I would like a minie mister j. I did insist on
choreographing my own piece. I was just a very extra extra child. But
that was so nice to change, you know. I mean, I'm a
wallflower now. I don't like to take too much time, as you know,
barely said a thing today, Joshua. See. I was about to
say, this is really just a taste for my podcast coming out soon when
the right funder comes along, but oh no, no, Yeah, he
was really really really sweet. It despite us kind of having a bit of
a if you've spoken since crawled out the would work to drag you. Yeah,
I mean rightly. So, No, yeah, I have a few.
On a few occasions I have kind of touch base or people who I
know have met him and they've kind of said that, and I've come up
in conversation. Yeah, I really do hope that works. You know,
they were talking about long distance relationships and it is really challenging. There is
no right or wrong gunter for that. It just you just it is all
about communication. You know, one cough on sky but at least once a
month to keep that passion in their base more passionate than a skypewank. Yeah,
well, I mean to come on, if it worked for Naomi come
not known, Naomi Campbell, Naomi Kidman, was it in Big Little Lies?
You remember that bit when she kind of gets what's her name? Semi
home semi home today? Again? It is absolutely and actually it's Steamy Windy's
in here. Um. But yeah, if I think you've just got to
keep the passion alive, book lots of holidays where you can see each other
together. I know that you can't offer much security, but just make sure
that you're just you're checking in with one another. Really, that's my advice
on that. I don't know what you're talking about it. Go back list
to the last week's episode. Basically he's going, no, no, yeah,
what we're talking about name? Yeah? So that I thought that was
really sweet to hear it tear from him. I love it when people cot
just just just message us just to drike you. I'm not you specifically.
Yeah, if anyone went to school with Iver, Ben or John and is
looking to drag them with any embarrassing stories, I am all is so the
t on everybody's lips, honey is XXL maybe um on the way out?
It maybe closing, maybe heading towards the exit. Yeah. Um. And
you know what, it's really interesting because it's caused a bit of controversy.
What are your initial thoughts on LA matter start with? In context of what
XXL is and where it is. I think that's a good idea. Yeah.
XXL massive massive club, one of probably the biggest. I would say
it is the biggest one we have in London, like in physical capacities,
Yeah, isn't it. Yeah, it's gotta be bigger than heaven. Um.
It's it was like originally created as like a space for like it was
a reputation for being a bare bar for men like thirty plus it has like
a strict no women policy. Um, it's been it has been problematic in
the past that the owner is well a controversial tiger. Yes, that's the
way to say that. Um, yeah, he's obviously like super problematic.
But the two things aren't linked. Like it's it's shit that London is going
to lose another queer space, is my initial thoughts, especially because it's being
lost to potentially lost to another block of luxury flats. Yeah, what we
want to leave. And also also like just to point out as well,
if you look across the road to Mexic, l a brand new tower block
has already been like Luxury Partner has already been erected, like not that longer
opened like within the last year. Luxury flats. That's what we leant.
But someone did say someone was like I think maybe it was one of the
owners or someone who was trying to keep back Exel that is that So we're
going to have a bunch of luxury flats that are going to late empty.
Yeah, because yeah always and we're talking about it sailer actually, and somebody
made a very valid point. It's not like xx I was closing because the
only is problematic, So therefore you can't celebrate that. You know, the
two things, like I said, two things aren't linked, like he's problematic,
fine, but that isn't the reason ext itself was closing. So a
girl is a queer space exactly. I saw a lot of people like well
fine, ha ha lala, or like whatever, and it means like,
Okay, I understand that actually it's the club itself isn't super inclusive, and
naturally the person who runs the club has had some really problematic right wing,
xenophobic, misogynistic things. Yeah, however, this is a problem, is
not um and that I agree with all of that. But what I do
not, what I can't abide, is actually another quiz space being lost to
property developers and that that that, for me, is a real real warrior
trend. Thing I did notice is the way in a lot of the communications
that they're doing is talking about rallying the community. Yeah yeah, and the
posters that they're using, there's one where you know, it's showing city Karn
and Amy LeMay and it's a bit like, well, no event, but
it's the Conservative government or like it's the government in power at the moment that
maybe a part of this problem. So singling out a labor mayor and actually
Amy LeMay, who's done a lot for LGBT nightlife in trying to support and
save me RVT, they aren't the two people that you should be blaming or
you should be directing this vitriol towards. And that is and also what's going
to be harder for XXCEL as a club to do is try and rally the
community behind them, because actually it isn't. It's not a club for the
community club game in so that is what yeah, exactly, and so that's
and that's where I think they're going to run into a bit of difficulty.
I mean, it is like a massive shame. And like I did see
some people celebrating the fact that the club was closing, and I very much
like understand people's opinions on that because, like like we said, the owners
has been a problematic and said some really terrible things in the past, like
you said, John, like it's the two aren't directly link, like that's
not why it's closing down, And I just think it is very sad that
it's something that's very interesting. Actually, I read an article not to Go
Ago, which is talking about queer spaces closing down because younger people just aren't
like going to them anymore. Yeah, And I'm just it's super sad that
we're just going to get to a point where maybe we're going to have a
handful of bars and clubs left that we can go to and feel safe in
because that's arguably what they are. Therefore I feel safe. You want to
go to a gay club, and I don't really go to straight clubs because
I don't like them. Yeah, yeah, I've obviously going to open a
lovely queer space in its very room at some point when I put my finger
out, But yeah, I feel like I feel like I definitely don't feel
unsafe in heterosexual quote unquote spaces. I don't. But then also that comes
down to privilege as well. It's just straight passing exactly why. I don't
know what straight passing is, but you know what I mean, Like,
I don't know what you know what I mean, and I do know what
you mean, But it's just a sense of community within like gay bars,
gay pubs, and it's just it's just an atmosphe experience isn't replicated anywhere else.
No of just being amongst your own exactly like with other people who share
similar experiences to you. Like, that's that can't be played down. That's
something that's super important, and it is just a massive shame that we could
be seeing another space go to something that's not necessarily needed, like more luxury
apartments when there's affordable homes, and then come to exactly specifically for the LGBT
community right right XXL the flat, the lot, the lot of flats be
wild. So here's the gym, here's the sauna, steam room, and
this is the residents dock next to the car park. To be fair,
they're gonna have to knock that entire post down and start from scratch, because
I don't think any amount of deep cleaning could get that place ready for gay
ghosts, the babies that have been swallowed on that Oh my god, too
much. But yeah, it's like, you know, like an ancient burial
ground, but just for like absolute trash. If you hit it on a
quiet night, you can hear DP me daddy, that's what you can actually
hear. That's the ghost yea. And on that note, I think I
should bid you a due for the week. You won't actually hear much from
us until London Pride. So for those who are at London Pride or celebrating
Black Pride, which I know I will be out and I hope to see
some of your queens of color there. Um yeah, like, have a
fantastic time. Please stay safe, look after one another, and just remember
to stay proud. Yes, um, so let's also it will be the
Pride episodes. Is that going to be our Yes? And yeah, so
we've got one more episode left after this for this season. Then we're gonna
take a little break and we're going to put a date on it this time.
They write, Yeah, it will be a little break. Don't don't
worry. I know you'll not get sometimes separation anxiety, although this time you're
probably gonna be like fuck off a no comeback after this episode probably. Yeah,
if Josh hosts again, I'm literally revoking my subscription. But yeah,
like that will be our last one of this season. Yeah yeah, so
definitely tune in for that. All right, So if you've got any I'd
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