1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:03,319 Hello, Christina Here, before this episode starts, I do want to give 2 00:00:03,399 --> 00:00:08,880 a trigger warning. We are discussing the case of Serio Andreve and Gloria Trevi. 3 00:00:09,119 --> 00:00:12,919 If you're familiar with the case and you know that it involves things that 4 00:00:13,000 --> 00:00:17,920 need trigger warnings. Teenagers were abused physically and sexually, so we're going to 5 00:00:17,960 --> 00:00:21,440 talk about what happened in the case. So just start trigger warning for child 6 00:00:21,440 --> 00:00:25,359 abuse rape. If you can listen to that, feel free to skip this 7 00:00:25,399 --> 00:00:29,160 episode and we will catch you on the episode after after this, because after 8 00:00:29,160 --> 00:00:31,359 this we're going to talk about Part two and it's going to be more of 9 00:00:31,399 --> 00:00:39,840 the same stuff. Hi. Everyone, this is Christina and this is another 10 00:00:39,880 --> 00:00:45,439 episode of As Spooky Tales, the podcast for all Things as Spooky and no 11 00:00:45,600 --> 00:00:52,479 MJ or Carbon Ladies. Here, Lenny Hubbs back in the building. Yes, 12 00:00:52,640 --> 00:00:58,079 she is now the official co host, not guest co hosts mm hmmm. 13 00:00:58,399 --> 00:01:00,679 Oh wait my bad, No, oh my god. I could never 14 00:01:00,039 --> 00:01:04,280 official guest co host. When I trying to start a war, yeah, 15 00:01:04,599 --> 00:01:08,439 I'm Jay's been having computer problems and doesn't have anything to record out of And 16 00:01:08,480 --> 00:01:11,680 then when I ask Carmen, I learned that she lost her voice because she 17 00:01:11,760 --> 00:01:17,879 went to the Vesa Me Mucho concert that happened in La over the weekend, 18 00:01:18,079 --> 00:01:21,120 and yeah, she doesn't have a voice. She sounds like don't dunk. 19 00:01:21,200 --> 00:01:23,159 And I was like, I can't even hear you talk right now because I'm 20 00:01:23,200 --> 00:01:26,799 like, this is so unserious. You sound terrible and I can't even listen 21 00:01:26,799 --> 00:01:30,239 to you anything you're saying right now. Oh my god, a ghost to 22 00:01:30,359 --> 00:01:37,200 her voice or I cursed her. We'll never know. We'll never know because 23 00:01:37,239 --> 00:01:42,560 she's here for her spot. So yeah, Laney, I asked you like 24 00:01:42,719 --> 00:01:46,439 last minute, and thankfully she was like, yeah, I have time. 25 00:01:47,840 --> 00:01:52,680 Oh I always have time. I'm clocked in for my shift, baby, 26 00:01:52,959 --> 00:01:57,200 thank you, thank you today. We I don't know why. Oh, 27 00:01:57,239 --> 00:02:00,719 I guess I had been wanting to talk about this topic forever. But there's 28 00:02:00,760 --> 00:02:06,359 so much to it, and it was almost daunting to like even start researching 29 00:02:06,400 --> 00:02:10,439 it. Yeah, researching it. But it's the Gloria Trevi Serio Andred like 30 00:02:10,800 --> 00:02:15,719 cold. I guess it was a cool Yeah, I mean truly I would. 31 00:02:15,919 --> 00:02:19,680 It's you know, it reminds me of the Twin Flames thing, right, 32 00:02:19,719 --> 00:02:22,560 have you seen that documentary or anything? Yes? I have. It 33 00:02:22,599 --> 00:02:25,599 makes me think of R Kelly. M hm. Oh, that's an even 34 00:02:25,599 --> 00:02:31,479 better example. Yeah, that's almost almost very similar. It's you know, 35 00:02:32,120 --> 00:02:37,400 yeah, the Mexican R Kelly shout out, not a good not a good 36 00:02:37,400 --> 00:02:42,039 book for us, shut up, not good for my people in particular. 37 00:02:42,439 --> 00:02:46,639 Right, yeah, yeah, I remember watching like as a kid, just 38 00:02:46,719 --> 00:02:50,680 parts of like Ventanando. Did you ever watch that show? No? Okay, 39 00:02:50,719 --> 00:02:53,080 well, it's like a Mexican gossip show. It was on every day, 40 00:02:53,280 --> 00:02:58,120 like I don't know, two, three in the afternoon something like that, 41 00:02:58,280 --> 00:03:00,879 and they just shared all the gossip, all the tea. Patti Cha 42 00:03:00,960 --> 00:03:06,039 Boy was one of the four hosts, and I don't remember the other three 43 00:03:06,080 --> 00:03:08,599 name the other three, just her because she was like the most iconic to 44 00:03:08,639 --> 00:03:13,479 me. But I feel like they were a huge and just sharing all the 45 00:03:13,479 --> 00:03:16,919 things they were hearing about. And Gloria on the trial. M h That's 46 00:03:17,439 --> 00:03:21,560 most of what I remember about it. And then at some point she was 47 00:03:21,599 --> 00:03:29,360 also on the show Christina di Jiroach defending and all like two thousand, late 48 00:03:29,439 --> 00:03:32,719 nineties before they were arrested in like Brazil. But we we'll get into all 49 00:03:32,719 --> 00:03:37,280 that. But how do you feel about Gloria Trevi? You know, I 50 00:03:37,360 --> 00:03:42,319 really didn't have a lot of exposure to her in terms of like my awareness 51 00:03:42,360 --> 00:03:46,080 of her when I was little and stuff, because we I mean like Selena 52 00:03:46,159 --> 00:03:49,599 was it for me most of the time, and I was listening to Sahano 53 00:03:49,719 --> 00:03:53,919 music more than anything else when I was younger, like do Hana was it 54 00:03:54,080 --> 00:03:58,639 for us in my house and everything, Like I was listening to Bronco and 55 00:03:59,000 --> 00:04:02,120 all that stuff. So I didn't really have a ton of exposure until I 56 00:04:02,159 --> 00:04:05,439 was slated to do this episode. Like I had heard of her obviously, 57 00:04:06,199 --> 00:04:11,560 and same for Sergio. I'd heard about both of them, And then when 58 00:04:11,560 --> 00:04:14,680 I was slated to do this episode for Crimes of Passion, I was all 59 00:04:14,719 --> 00:04:18,759 like, what, Like this is crazy. Yeah, And I got a 60 00:04:18,759 --> 00:04:23,319 lot of feedback, like from my mom and like different family members who had 61 00:04:23,360 --> 00:04:25,800 heard it and stuff, and they're like, oh yeah, you know, 62 00:04:26,319 --> 00:04:29,079 like with Crimes of Passion, you don't really go a super in depth with 63 00:04:29,120 --> 00:04:32,040 anything. I'd liken it to like a Lifetime Movie Network movie. It's like 64 00:04:32,319 --> 00:04:35,720 the audio version of a Lifetime Movie Network. So it really focuses on like 65 00:04:36,240 --> 00:04:42,839 the drama, the psychological aspect of things, and then just the the interpersonal 66 00:04:42,879 --> 00:04:46,560 stuff that's going on between these two people mostly, but and it really didn't 67 00:04:46,600 --> 00:04:53,560 talk about truly the effects that linger after going through something like this. And 68 00:04:53,639 --> 00:04:57,480 so I would love, honestly to see like a long form documentary on this, 69 00:04:57,519 --> 00:05:00,439 because this is something that's really I think pro within the music industry. 70 00:05:00,480 --> 00:05:04,839 It's not isolated too obviously, you know, the Spanish side or anything like 71 00:05:04,879 --> 00:05:10,399 that, I think in Western music and maybe even beyond that, it for 72 00:05:10,519 --> 00:05:15,199 sure is super prevalent. Yeah, yeah, I I didn't know any of 73 00:05:15,199 --> 00:05:18,680 this, like obviously until it all started coming to light in the Spanish news 74 00:05:18,680 --> 00:05:23,399 and we were watching it as it was coming out. But I didn't understand 75 00:05:23,439 --> 00:05:27,079 it because I was a kid. But I'd been listening to her music for 76 00:05:27,160 --> 00:05:30,439 a long time. Like there's a song, what's it called something about having 77 00:05:30,480 --> 00:05:35,160 your hair down? Is like the name of the not that's not the name 78 00:05:35,199 --> 00:05:39,319 of the song because that's way too long. It's called Pelosto. It may 79 00:05:39,360 --> 00:05:42,680 be just called Pelosto. But that was like one of our favorite songs because 80 00:05:42,680 --> 00:05:46,199 we had like, you know, big curly hair and we were just singing 81 00:05:46,240 --> 00:05:49,800 and dance to it and like rock our hair back and forth. And uh, 82 00:05:50,040 --> 00:05:56,279 before it was cool, Yeah, before Willow Smith did it and all 83 00:05:56,360 --> 00:06:00,920 my dieas like everyone like loved her music and yeah, everyone left her music. 84 00:06:00,959 --> 00:06:03,959 She was like this, I mean like Madonna, she was yeah for 85 00:06:04,160 --> 00:06:10,079 Mexico. Yeah, And I mean even now I listened to her songs and 86 00:06:10,120 --> 00:06:13,000 I'm like, man, that's so crazy that this happened, like I don't 87 00:06:13,040 --> 00:06:15,600 know it is. And she was super young too, So there's a lot 88 00:06:15,639 --> 00:06:19,040 of like, I think, a lot of levels. Yeah. I think 89 00:06:19,079 --> 00:06:23,560 everybody, in their own way, minus Sergio, is a victim in this. 90 00:06:24,240 --> 00:06:27,680 Even Gloria, I would say, for sure, but she still has 91 00:06:27,759 --> 00:06:31,600 some accountability, I think, or she needs to have some accountability. Yeah. 92 00:06:31,800 --> 00:06:36,480 But before we get into the episode topic, I guess a spooky story 93 00:06:36,560 --> 00:06:41,240 A listener story. Yes, Oh my gosh, I'm so excited. I 94 00:06:41,279 --> 00:06:45,040 thought I would come to the table with a spooky story from one of my 95 00:06:45,160 --> 00:06:49,120 listeners. Her name is Amelia. She submitted a story back in September over 96 00:06:49,199 --> 00:06:53,800 this and so it was one of those stories. I think when you get 97 00:06:53,839 --> 00:06:56,639 those, they stick with you for a little bit. Ooh. I don't 98 00:06:56,639 --> 00:06:59,720 know about you, but for me, I love when people send in their 99 00:06:59,720 --> 00:07:03,439 story. Is like actually to like our email or through the social media channels 100 00:07:03,439 --> 00:07:08,120 because it shows like they're invested in your show. They are excited about wanting 101 00:07:08,160 --> 00:07:11,120 to hear it when I listened to and that's why we drink or two Girls, 102 00:07:11,120 --> 00:07:15,480 One Ghost and stuff like way back in the day, I sent in 103 00:07:15,519 --> 00:07:16,879 my stories and I was like amped. I was like, oh my god, 104 00:07:16,879 --> 00:07:19,360 I hope they read it so like there's an excitement too, and yeah, 105 00:07:19,560 --> 00:07:23,639 yeah, I always want to like give people that same feeling that I 106 00:07:23,680 --> 00:07:26,439 had when I was reading my story. So I literally like, if you 107 00:07:26,480 --> 00:07:28,319 send it in, I will read it. It may not be like the 108 00:07:28,360 --> 00:07:30,959 next episode, but it will definitely be in the episode at some point it'll 109 00:07:30,959 --> 00:07:36,000 make it in. Yeah. So this is the story from Amelia, and 110 00:07:36,199 --> 00:07:40,439 she said, ever since I was little, I've had a strong connection with 111 00:07:40,519 --> 00:07:44,519 the paranormal. I have photographic memories, so it makes it easy to remember 112 00:07:44,560 --> 00:07:47,360 these things when I wish I could forget. I vaguely remember when I was 113 00:07:47,439 --> 00:07:51,199 two. Two. Oh, I know, I have no memories of two. 114 00:07:53,079 --> 00:07:56,279 I saw different entities or spirits, whatever you want to call them. 115 00:07:56,560 --> 00:08:00,560 The first was a little girl, I called her little. She would stand 116 00:08:00,560 --> 00:08:03,920 at the top of the stairs and scream, and she would stand in corners 117 00:08:03,959 --> 00:08:05,920 and scream, oh my god, and I'd be like, no, thank 118 00:08:05,959 --> 00:08:09,360 you. Can you imagine how scare you would be? Too? Like my 119 00:08:09,439 --> 00:08:11,800 kid is too right now, and I'm like, I would hate if she 120 00:08:11,839 --> 00:08:15,720 was seeing something like that. I have a two and a half year old 121 00:08:15,800 --> 00:08:18,199 now and I can't even put him pointing like little and I'm like, what 122 00:08:18,240 --> 00:08:20,199 are you putting out? What the fuck? I would little? Who? 123 00:08:22,040 --> 00:08:26,279 Who? My daughter did that recently, not saying little, but she she 124 00:08:26,600 --> 00:08:28,800 has like night terrors and stuff, and she always like wakes up when she's 125 00:08:28,839 --> 00:08:33,759 asleep and talks. And she sleeps just like my husband, like he sleep 126 00:08:33,759 --> 00:08:37,200 talks everything, so she's just like him. But she got up one day 127 00:08:37,320 --> 00:08:39,960 she was like dead asleep, and she's I have her bed in my room 128 00:08:41,000 --> 00:08:43,039 because I'm just one of those moms. I'm like, you can sometimes sleep 129 00:08:43,039 --> 00:08:45,919 with me, or you can sleep in real bed. Yeah, But she 130 00:08:46,080 --> 00:08:48,679 like straight up woke up bed of a dead sleep, not really awake. 131 00:08:48,720 --> 00:08:52,080 Her eyes were still closed, but she like sits up in bed and she 132 00:08:52,120 --> 00:08:54,759 goes, what's that and goes lin Lea's back down. I was like, 133 00:08:56,600 --> 00:08:58,879 well, that was probably a ghost. I mean, what do you want 134 00:08:58,879 --> 00:09:01,440 me to say? What do you want me to say? So I was 135 00:09:01,519 --> 00:09:03,399 terrified. I was like, oh my god. Oh. I was like, 136 00:09:03,440 --> 00:09:05,799 there better not be anything here. And I was just like, leave 137 00:09:05,840 --> 00:09:09,759 my baby alone if there is something here, because I'm trying to sleep. 138 00:09:09,960 --> 00:09:13,639 Yeah, oh my god, it's crazy. Okay, so she goes. 139 00:09:13,919 --> 00:09:16,519 There was also the gray Man. He had a bluish grayish green. He 140 00:09:16,559 --> 00:09:24,240 had a bluish grayish greenish green, Oh my god, skin tone right though 141 00:09:24,279 --> 00:09:28,240 it was mostly gray. He has serious balding with his white hair, and 142 00:09:28,240 --> 00:09:31,639 he had fingernails maybe seven or eight inches long, that curled inward. He 143 00:09:31,679 --> 00:09:35,679 would poke my palms and my feet when I was asleep, but when I 144 00:09:35,679 --> 00:09:39,279 would wake up, I would only see him for a split second. When 145 00:09:39,279 --> 00:09:41,840 I was four, I started to remember things very clearly, so I still 146 00:09:41,879 --> 00:09:46,799 remember this like it was yesterday. I was watching Me and My Arrow, 147 00:09:46,919 --> 00:09:50,080 a movie from the seventies, even though this was the early two thousands. 148 00:09:50,480 --> 00:09:52,879 There was a scene in the movie about a pile of rocks called the rock 149 00:09:52,960 --> 00:09:56,200 Man. Since he was so tall, he could point you in any direction 150 00:09:56,320 --> 00:10:00,480 of where you needed to go. And went to bed after the mo and 151 00:10:00,559 --> 00:10:03,639 woke up the next morning looking to my right out of my window. I 152 00:10:03,679 --> 00:10:07,080 lived right next to Beaumont, Texas at the time, in some really bad 153 00:10:07,080 --> 00:10:13,240 apartments. I guess you could say I'm from the ghetto, not sponsored. 154 00:10:13,320 --> 00:10:16,879 Same this is not sponsored by the ghetto. Oh okay, I thought, 155 00:10:16,919 --> 00:10:20,519 I always say I joke about that because I'm like, you know, I 156 00:10:20,559 --> 00:10:22,000 was like, some people were like, this isn't sponsored. I'm like, 157 00:10:22,080 --> 00:10:28,039 not sponsored. The ghetto is not sponsoring this. These apartments were so poor 158 00:10:28,120 --> 00:10:31,679 that at some points random people would walk into the apartments. But when I 159 00:10:31,720 --> 00:10:35,840 woke up that morning, I heard the voice of the rock band saying the 160 00:10:35,879 --> 00:10:39,679 first line he said in the movie, I Am the rock Man. I 161 00:10:39,720 --> 00:10:43,399 sat still. I am the rock Man. I heard once more in the 162 00:10:43,399 --> 00:10:46,519 same tone, and I asked hello in a louder, angrier voice. I 163 00:10:46,600 --> 00:10:52,000 heard, I am the rock Man. I calmly jumped off my bed and 164 00:10:52,039 --> 00:10:56,159 went to my accordion door closet. There was no one. I walked out 165 00:10:56,200 --> 00:10:58,720 of my room to my mom and told her what I had heard. She 166 00:10:58,840 --> 00:11:01,799 said, you were probably still have a sleep in imagining things. So I 167 00:11:01,840 --> 00:11:05,919 thought so, but I was still creeped out. At around noon, I 168 00:11:05,960 --> 00:11:09,919 walked back into my room and heard it in its original calm tone. I 169 00:11:09,960 --> 00:11:13,519 am the rock Man, I told my mom again, and she just ignored 170 00:11:13,559 --> 00:11:16,279 me. I only went back into my room that night to sleep, and 171 00:11:16,279 --> 00:11:20,679 I didn't hear it since. But ever since that night, I've always got 172 00:11:20,679 --> 00:11:24,639 the gut wrenching feeling that something's watching me. To this day, I try 173 00:11:24,639 --> 00:11:28,639 to calm myself thinking it was another creepy old man in the apartment. But 174 00:11:28,720 --> 00:11:31,360 how is his voice the same as the rock Man? Why couldn't I see 175 00:11:31,399 --> 00:11:39,399 him when I looked in my closet the end? Who me? No? 176 00:11:39,879 --> 00:11:45,000 Did you ever watch like Unsolved Mysteries and stuff? Yes? Okay, So 177 00:11:45,080 --> 00:11:50,480 there was this really prominent ghost story that happened in terms of like, you 178 00:11:50,519 --> 00:11:54,840 know, a child having a ghost experience and stuff like that, and seeing 179 00:11:54,000 --> 00:12:00,200 a person who had died in that house, I think. And then and 180 00:12:00,759 --> 00:12:03,120 they did some research found out he's a real guy, mister Gordy. Did 181 00:12:03,159 --> 00:12:09,440 you listen to that one? Okay? Right? And then that family was 182 00:12:09,480 --> 00:12:13,639 like all over all of the other like paranormal channels doing like my kids haunted 183 00:12:13,759 --> 00:12:16,039 kind of things, and they were always talking about it. So that story 184 00:12:16,080 --> 00:12:18,080 always like stuck with me, and I was all like, oh, my 185 00:12:18,080 --> 00:12:20,919 god. I hope my kid never has a mind like a mister Gordy who's 186 00:12:20,919 --> 00:12:24,399 like pushing her on a swing or something. I was like, we ain't 187 00:12:24,399 --> 00:12:26,519 having a swing set at this house. You guys know that here? No, 188 00:12:26,519 --> 00:12:30,559 no, So it kind of reminds me of that, Like it gives 189 00:12:30,559 --> 00:12:33,600 me like, I feel really bad for Amelia because you know, I think 190 00:12:33,639 --> 00:12:39,759 having paranormal experiences when you're that young and you can't really understand absorb the gravity 191 00:12:39,799 --> 00:12:43,799 and understand what the issue is or why it's happening, I think that makes 192 00:12:43,840 --> 00:12:48,360 it really confusing, and it also makes you question as you become an adult 193 00:12:48,159 --> 00:12:52,240 your experience, right, it makes you think like, oh did I make 194 00:12:52,279 --> 00:12:56,720 it up? And I wish like her mom would have validated her a little 195 00:12:56,759 --> 00:12:58,639 bit, you know, but different different times. I mean it was early 196 00:12:58,720 --> 00:13:01,720 two so at that time, you know, everybody was just like go to 197 00:13:01,759 --> 00:13:05,919 sleep. Yeah. Well, I mean even today, if my kid comes 198 00:13:05,919 --> 00:13:07,320 and tells me that, sure, I would love to val to him, 199 00:13:07,360 --> 00:13:11,720 but I wouldn't be scared shitless myself. So I throw up and be like, 200 00:13:11,879 --> 00:13:13,320 I don't know, I don't feel like I guess we're burning it down? 201 00:13:13,360 --> 00:13:18,360 Does that work? De fire? Help. I deny it too. 202 00:13:18,600 --> 00:13:22,120 You sound nothing actually right, you were just sleeping. Oh my gosh, 203 00:13:22,120 --> 00:13:26,279 what about dream? But no, I could see. That makes it worse 204 00:13:26,320 --> 00:13:28,559 and we're confusing because then later you're like, did I really see something or 205 00:13:28,679 --> 00:13:33,320 was it just my imagination? But that's so weird that it was the same 206 00:13:33,399 --> 00:13:35,120 voice as the movie she had just been seen. Yeah, it most makes 207 00:13:35,159 --> 00:13:41,159 you think it's like a mimic, and it was just like because they're horrible. 208 00:13:41,279 --> 00:13:45,080 Look. Yeah. No, So that was my contribution to the show. 209 00:13:45,200 --> 00:13:46,879 I will see you guys later. Oh, thank you so much for 210 00:13:48,240 --> 00:13:58,559 I'll just tell you're like, so what do you think about Glrie trev Yeah, 211 00:13:58,679 --> 00:14:01,159 let's let's get into the top. So Gloria Trevi, like I said 212 00:14:01,159 --> 00:14:05,080 earlier, she was like the Mexican Madonna. Still she's still making music. 213 00:14:05,120 --> 00:14:11,080 She was at that best I'm much concert. Oh shut up, yeah, 214 00:14:11,200 --> 00:14:13,799 yeah, I'm pretty sure Carmen says she saw her. Wow, it's so 215 00:14:15,759 --> 00:14:18,240 I don't know because you listen to it and you're like, people are like, 216 00:14:18,279 --> 00:14:20,000 oh, you have to separate the artists from the music. Well they 217 00:14:20,000 --> 00:14:24,200 say that about MJ too, Yeah, but you also have to think she 218 00:14:24,360 --> 00:14:26,759 was also abused too, but then, like you said, she also has 219 00:14:26,799 --> 00:14:31,240 some accountability to go through herself. H But she does make good music, 220 00:14:31,919 --> 00:14:35,200 she does, And that's what I'm saying, Like it is really hard to 221 00:14:35,240 --> 00:14:41,240 distinguish from you know, like I think, like I hate using the MJ 222 00:14:41,440 --> 00:14:43,879 thing, but this is kind of the same in the same instance that like 223 00:14:45,039 --> 00:14:48,960 MJ was never he was prosecuted but never convicted of anything. Same for Gloria, 224 00:14:50,039 --> 00:14:52,840 Like they go through a whole trial and she's not convicted, even though 225 00:14:52,840 --> 00:14:56,799 they had like lawsuits recently, I think, and there's a recent one from 226 00:14:56,799 --> 00:15:00,200 this summer. I want to say, yeah, yeah, So it's like, 227 00:15:00,559 --> 00:15:03,000 you know, it's still I think if MJ was alive today, he 228 00:15:03,039 --> 00:15:07,440 would still likely be going through the same process of like every few years, 229 00:15:07,600 --> 00:15:11,879 you know, a new allegation or new claim or somebody trying to get something 230 00:15:11,919 --> 00:15:16,559 out of him. But you can't deny the impact their talent has had on 231 00:15:16,600 --> 00:15:20,879 the music industry and the culture, right, Like, yeah, it sucks 232 00:15:20,879 --> 00:15:24,720 that he had this kind of terrible history, saying for Gloria, like it 233 00:15:24,759 --> 00:15:26,399 sucks that they had this history, but they did impact the culture, and 234 00:15:26,440 --> 00:15:33,879 I think you can, yeah, appreciate the impact without praising the individual beautifully 235 00:15:33,879 --> 00:15:39,759 said that is very true. But her music it's always been very political. 236 00:15:39,000 --> 00:15:43,120 It was filled with sexual innuendos, which was like culturally shocking at the time 237 00:15:43,120 --> 00:15:48,159 because nobody was really doing that, which is I think why she's like compared 238 00:15:48,200 --> 00:15:52,159 to Madonna, who was doing the same kind of like feminist type of music. 239 00:15:54,039 --> 00:15:58,919 She talked about religion, human trafficking, war, drugs. She would 240 00:16:00,120 --> 00:16:03,320 invite men onto stage and then like take their clothes off, have them on 241 00:16:03,399 --> 00:16:07,919 stage and just their underwear. All the older Mexican moms are like, oh, 242 00:16:08,120 --> 00:16:12,960 she's a she's a slut. Yeah, she's a Slut's this is a 243 00:16:12,279 --> 00:16:19,320 bad influence, while like everyone like I don't know, probably thirty and younger 244 00:16:19,480 --> 00:16:22,399 at the time, were just they loved her, all about her. Yeah, 245 00:16:22,519 --> 00:16:26,600 she empowered them, you know, she gave them an opportunity to to 246 00:16:26,759 --> 00:16:33,519 really own their sexuality, which women are shamed for quite you know generously in 247 00:16:34,320 --> 00:16:40,639 our Hispanic culture, is what I would say, especially it doesn't discriminate across 248 00:16:40,679 --> 00:16:44,720 you know, the border, if you will, but we deal with a 249 00:16:44,759 --> 00:16:51,039 lot more misogyny in our culture than I think, you know, across the 250 00:16:51,519 --> 00:16:53,120 you know, in the Western side or whatever. There's still a misogyny, 251 00:16:53,159 --> 00:16:56,879 but it's not as I think intense as it can be within our own culture, 252 00:16:56,879 --> 00:17:00,639 where you're like, you're expected to do things just because you're a girl, 253 00:17:00,639 --> 00:17:04,400 and it's totally fine if you're not allowed to do something like just in 254 00:17:04,480 --> 00:17:07,240 general, if you have an older siblings, like, yeah, of course 255 00:17:07,240 --> 00:17:10,799 the boys can date and go and do whatever. You can't because you'll get 256 00:17:10,799 --> 00:17:15,519 pregnant and ruin your entire life and ruin our family's reputation. Yes, And 257 00:17:15,599 --> 00:17:18,759 it was just so wild to think that she was speaking on all these things 258 00:17:18,839 --> 00:17:25,920 and then behind doors she was a victim of the patriarchy herself and abuse from 259 00:17:25,920 --> 00:17:30,519 a man. It's it's wild, like it's difficult to comprehend even but she 260 00:17:30,680 --> 00:17:36,440 was at the top of her I don't know career when in nineteen ninety six 261 00:17:36,559 --> 00:17:38,359 or seven. I want to say it was ninety seven, but when she 262 00:17:38,480 --> 00:17:44,680 was arrested when she quit turing and they it was under the guise of helping 263 00:17:44,960 --> 00:17:48,920 her, producer said Hendrade recover from cancer and they went to Spain, so 264 00:17:48,960 --> 00:17:55,519 she went basically into hiding and that's what they told the media at the time, 265 00:17:56,039 --> 00:18:00,200 but just to talk a little bit about Glare. She was born Gloria 266 00:18:00,200 --> 00:18:06,759 de Los Angeles Trevino Ruiz on February fifteenth, nineteen sixty eight. She was 267 00:18:06,799 --> 00:18:10,960 the oldest of five siblings and she wanted to be a star. Her parents 268 00:18:11,000 --> 00:18:15,359 were divorced and in nineteen eighty she left her home to go alone to Mexico 269 00:18:15,440 --> 00:18:19,920 City, and she paints a picture of like she was alone, disowned by 270 00:18:19,960 --> 00:18:26,519 her family for disobeying and leaving, and she had like nothing, But there's 271 00:18:26,079 --> 00:18:30,440 there's accounts that her mom and her dad were paying for her apartment in see 272 00:18:30,440 --> 00:18:33,720 that, Mexico, and they did go visit her, but they did let 273 00:18:33,720 --> 00:18:37,599 her like they let her go by herself. But she wasn't completely abaddond like 274 00:18:37,640 --> 00:18:41,920 she makes it seem that she was like yeah, hustling and begging for money 275 00:18:41,000 --> 00:18:45,319 or doing all these crazy things alone, like she she had support. There 276 00:18:45,319 --> 00:18:51,599 are definite holes in her story for sure, in continuity. Yeah m hm, 277 00:18:52,440 --> 00:18:53,160 but you know what, she had a picture to paint, you know. 278 00:18:55,200 --> 00:19:02,359 So there was a contest held by Televisa to find and Luceito's look alike. 279 00:19:02,519 --> 00:19:07,000 I remember and Luceito Lucero, she's another artist. She was like this 280 00:19:07,160 --> 00:19:12,319 teen star, but sat and was her producer, and he was obsessed. 281 00:19:12,400 --> 00:19:15,599 He was obsessed. He was disgusting. But now we know why. Now 282 00:19:15,599 --> 00:19:19,880 we know why. Back then nobody knew why. And so I almost want 283 00:19:19,920 --> 00:19:25,000 to say he was actually the one who put this contest together to find like 284 00:19:25,039 --> 00:19:27,599 a Lucerito lookalike, but that could be wrong because he was working at the 285 00:19:27,680 --> 00:19:33,640 Levisa putting together shows like for artists to come and sing yes. So the 286 00:19:33,640 --> 00:19:41,799 way that happened was she was in like a talent school at the time in 287 00:19:41,839 --> 00:19:47,559 Mexico City, and she knew that her she was, you know, she 288 00:19:47,680 --> 00:19:51,960 was looking for jobs to hopefully like break into the entertainment industry. She was 289 00:19:52,000 --> 00:19:55,799 really talented and stuff. And her mom like not for nothing. I mean, 290 00:19:56,000 --> 00:19:57,799 well, you know, her mom had a background as a dancer and 291 00:19:57,839 --> 00:20:03,279 stuff, and so she really kind of pushed Gloria. I think this kind 292 00:20:03,279 --> 00:20:07,599 of this victimization starts started at home in terms of with her mom and stuff. 293 00:20:07,680 --> 00:20:12,839 Yeah, and then led her into this, you know, relationship with 294 00:20:12,960 --> 00:20:18,160 Sergio. But like her mom was a former dancer and all this stuff. 295 00:20:18,160 --> 00:20:22,839 And it's that classic story of parents who didn't make it wanting to live through 296 00:20:22,880 --> 00:20:27,519 their children and pushing them to make it. Oh, vicariously lived through their 297 00:20:27,599 --> 00:20:32,000 children. It's like that baseball dad who's like, you got to practice every 298 00:20:32,039 --> 00:20:33,440 day because I never made the major legs, you know, and it's like 299 00:20:33,480 --> 00:20:37,480 bro or like what's the show called dance Moms, Yeah, just like that. 300 00:20:37,559 --> 00:20:41,920 It's she was like original dance mom basically, and so like everybody had 301 00:20:41,920 --> 00:20:47,400 a puberty phase right in their life and maybe didn't look so great or had 302 00:20:47,480 --> 00:20:51,160 like the baby fat as they say, you know, whenever you're like in 303 00:20:51,200 --> 00:20:52,960 your teen years and stuff like that, or growing into your teen years. 304 00:20:52,960 --> 00:20:56,160 Like that's what Gloria was. Her mom was like fit and thin, spelt 305 00:20:56,200 --> 00:21:00,839 all this stuff, and Gloria wasn't. She was a little bit overweight and 306 00:21:00,880 --> 00:21:04,759 all this stuff, and her mom like instilled really unhealthy habits in her to 307 00:21:04,920 --> 00:21:11,559 like essentially like starve herself and work out to get skinny, which is what 308 00:21:11,680 --> 00:21:14,839 led her through, you know, finding the look alike because she was beautiful, 309 00:21:15,359 --> 00:21:18,240 right. But anyway, so she ends up going into this town school 310 00:21:18,240 --> 00:21:22,480 because she's basically been trained by her mother and looks the part of what somebody 311 00:21:22,480 --> 00:21:26,160 would want in the industry at that time, right before we were into the 312 00:21:26,200 --> 00:21:32,400 whole body positivity and things like that. So she goes through this talent school, 313 00:21:32,599 --> 00:21:37,240 she's not finding any prospects, Like she's a great and talented songwriter, 314 00:21:37,480 --> 00:21:41,440 good singer, you know, she can't she hasn't really like found her niche 315 00:21:41,480 --> 00:21:45,519 if you will. So she ends up meeting a friend that she knew and 316 00:21:45,839 --> 00:21:48,519 he's like, hey, I actually had just signed this like record deal with 317 00:21:48,559 --> 00:21:52,599 a friend through a friend, and that's how she meets Sergio. He's like, 318 00:21:52,599 --> 00:21:56,440 I can introduce you to them if you want to. But it was 319 00:21:56,480 --> 00:22:00,559 this before or after the look like show. She won the contest for the 320 00:22:00,640 --> 00:22:06,400 Lusaito lookalike and it came with the contract and then that ended and then she 321 00:22:06,480 --> 00:22:12,079 had like no work. The Lusito thing was before she met Sergio because she 322 00:22:12,200 --> 00:22:17,279 had no prospects at the Lusaito thing. This when she met this guy you're 323 00:22:17,319 --> 00:22:22,119 talking about, because that guy's also a singer, Ricky Yeah, Ricky Luis, 324 00:22:22,359 --> 00:22:26,160 Ricky Luis. He tried to make it as a singer but it didn't 325 00:22:26,200 --> 00:22:29,079 go well very well. But he also was like a producer at the lusam 326 00:22:29,279 --> 00:22:32,359 h he was the one who yeah, who who was like this guy just 327 00:22:32,400 --> 00:22:36,799 produced my city, which is what Sejandreda and he took her to meet him, 328 00:22:36,839 --> 00:22:41,880 and at that time, Saijndrede was forming a girl groups. Yes, 329 00:22:42,119 --> 00:22:45,119 when I had to record that, I was like, oh my god, 330 00:22:45,119 --> 00:22:49,319 this is the lamest name I've ever heard. Actually, the name apparently comes 331 00:22:49,359 --> 00:22:57,039 from Sere was found the name through a Argentine in Argentine. How do you 332 00:22:57,119 --> 00:23:06,440 say Argentinian? Argentine Argentine Tinian Argentinian guy artists who wrote a song about a 333 00:23:06,480 --> 00:23:12,160 man and his three lovers and in the in that song they say yeah, 334 00:23:12,240 --> 00:23:19,079 And that was his inspiration for a teenage group. Weird name discussing yeah, 335 00:23:19,119 --> 00:23:25,079 And she's like to paint the picture of this age gap that exists. He's 336 00:23:25,119 --> 00:23:29,680 fifteen years older than her, yes, Like he's thirty years old when he 337 00:23:29,759 --> 00:23:34,960 meets her, essentially or like in his thirties and she's like fifteen. Yes. 338 00:23:36,920 --> 00:23:40,319 Ricky Louise takes her over to audition for this girl group. There's a 339 00:23:40,319 --> 00:23:42,119 bunch of people there. She arrives at four pm. It does an audition 340 00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:48,079 until two am. Insane and apparently this audition didn't last very long. It 341 00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:52,839 was like very short compared to other ones. So they never really talks about 342 00:23:52,839 --> 00:23:56,960 what went on in that room. According to Ricky Louise, when Gloryda Therapy 343 00:23:56,000 --> 00:24:00,720 came out of the room, she was like all of a sudden stand offish 344 00:24:00,759 --> 00:24:03,839 with him, didn't like talk to him anymore, and then they were like 345 00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:07,279 never friends again, even though they were friends before. So he thinks he 346 00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:08,759 was already like, you can't talk to anyone if you're going to be a 347 00:24:08,799 --> 00:24:11,319 part of this, you can't talk to any guys, because that was one 348 00:24:11,319 --> 00:24:15,240 of his rules. He has so many rules for anyone, any teenage girl 349 00:24:15,279 --> 00:24:18,720 he worked with. Yeah, because they are the only people that listen to 350 00:24:18,839 --> 00:24:21,720 him like this because he knows how to manipulate them, and they're young and 351 00:24:21,759 --> 00:24:25,119 they want to be famous. Yep. So when she came out, she 352 00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:30,119 no longer talked to him, and I did find also, so she was 353 00:24:30,160 --> 00:24:33,359 the last person, the last girl to join the group. He already had 354 00:24:33,359 --> 00:24:37,759 the other three members at that time. One of them was Maria Bokita's and 355 00:24:37,920 --> 00:24:42,839 she has a podcast called Enbrocasa. Initially it was only ten episodes about all 356 00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:48,920 this whole case. So through her podcast, I found that she was already 357 00:24:48,039 --> 00:24:52,680 like being abuse at this at this time, but nobody knew and so she 358 00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:56,079 writes, or she says in her podcast that she was in one of the 359 00:24:56,119 --> 00:25:00,839 back rooms during the audition again it was like two and she heard like a 360 00:25:00,920 --> 00:25:04,079 voice like no other. She was like, oh, I heard ada because 361 00:25:04,119 --> 00:25:08,440 she has like a Gloria has like a very raspy kind of voice. Right, 362 00:25:08,759 --> 00:25:11,720 yeah, So she was like, and it was a voice like no 363 00:25:11,799 --> 00:25:15,359 other. It was so she it was a real audition, like by all 364 00:25:15,599 --> 00:25:18,319 into some purposes, even though some people trying to make it seem like it 365 00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:21,160 wasn't even an audition, Like he just was like you got a good body, 366 00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:25,079 great, yeah, exactly, which how some of the auditions did go 367 00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:29,960 yes, yeah yeah. But also one thing I wonder is still if he 368 00:25:30,119 --> 00:25:33,880 was the one who put together that Lusarito looked like showed that would be so 369 00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:37,240 creepy because he was obsessed with her. And then I'm sure he did because 370 00:25:37,279 --> 00:25:41,200 Gloria Trevi won that contest, and like this man never stopped being obsessed with 371 00:25:41,319 --> 00:25:45,400 Luca Tito, Like we'll see it again and again that he brings her up 372 00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:48,960 throughout this whole thing. Yeah, it's it's like a point of pride for 373 00:25:48,039 --> 00:25:52,160 him because his whole thing, like I mean if you want to look up 374 00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:56,960 the word like egotistical in the dictionary, you'll see him narcissist. You'll see 375 00:25:57,000 --> 00:26:00,640 him like he thought he was just like the best in the world, you 376 00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:04,240 know, and I mean talented, I'm sure because he did create, you 377 00:26:04,279 --> 00:26:07,359 know, good artists. The way he went about creating the artists not so 378 00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:14,720 great, right, exactly, tortured these kids to get the product essentially that 379 00:26:14,759 --> 00:26:18,680 he wanted and was successful at getting the product, but at the cost of 380 00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:22,519 her mental health and well being, you know. Yeah. And then just 381 00:26:22,599 --> 00:26:25,680 because we're kind of at a point where we're gonna begin focusing a little bit 382 00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:29,400 on Sere, I'm gonna talk a little bit of it about his background, 383 00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:34,319 not a lot, because like he sucks, but he was born in guasalcos 384 00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:38,200 Vera, Cruz, Mexico, on November twenty sixth, nineteen fifty five. 385 00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:41,720 I think the only thing really we need to know is that he has an 386 00:26:41,759 --> 00:26:45,920 older brother that his family loved more than him, and that older brother was 387 00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:51,839 involved in Mexican politics. He was like a senator can relate, right, 388 00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:59,039 I can relate. I feel like every child of Mexican, every girl that 389 00:26:59,119 --> 00:27:02,680 has a brother of oldest son yeah, oldest son, yeah, there you 390 00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:06,400 go, or even youngest son. Oh for real, yeah, just study 391 00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:11,799 in general in general, yeah yeah, yes, So he studied music from 392 00:27:11,799 --> 00:27:18,039 a young age. His first like professionally recorded music happened in nineteen seventy seven, 393 00:27:18,519 --> 00:27:22,759 and then he started getting like really good producing jobs. He produced for 394 00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:27,880 artists like Veronica Gastro, huge, huge artists. In nineteen seventy nine, 395 00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:33,880 he became the youngest musical director of CBS Mexico, where he also produced for 396 00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:38,720 artists like Judith Chaves or Gabby was her artist's name. I don't know who 397 00:27:38,759 --> 00:27:41,599 that is. I'm not that Mexican, I guess, but I think she 398 00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:47,359 was also another teen star before Luceto. Three years after that, he left 399 00:27:47,559 --> 00:27:52,000 CBS Mexico and began producing independently for Televisa, and here he produced programs like 400 00:27:52,079 --> 00:27:57,799 aleriaz Melo, Melovia Me No Sorry a melodia and this was like a program 401 00:27:57,880 --> 00:28:03,440 where artists came in formed, which includes Luceito. This is the first time 402 00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:07,279 he actually like was dear her in person, and he was like obsessed with 403 00:28:07,319 --> 00:28:08,440 her, and he was like, I have to produce for her, and 404 00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:15,319 he did. He produced songs like her famous Osito Panda or elso again like 405 00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:18,640 Little Teddy Bear songs. She was thirteen, Yeah, and yeah, he 406 00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:22,839 became obsessed with her. To this day, Lucetto herself, she's very private 407 00:28:22,839 --> 00:28:27,440 about whatever happened with said she just not talked about it. When she's asked 408 00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:30,359 about it, she will say things like, I don't remember those times. 409 00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:34,160 It was a long time ago. I don't blame her Gio who Yeah, 410 00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:38,799 I don't know him. Yeah, we don't know her. Yeah, that's 411 00:28:38,839 --> 00:28:41,880 basically what she does, and I do not fault her. No, protect 412 00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:47,279 your peace. Yeah. There were a bunch of rumors about what actually happened, 413 00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:53,559 but from what I gather, Lusetto's mom started noticing that her daughter was 414 00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:59,960 changing, and that said ko Andrade was putting more like excuses on why he 415 00:29:00,119 --> 00:29:03,240 needed more and more time with her, and that's when she was like, 416 00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:07,240 no, this is getting weird, and she like took her daughter and they 417 00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:12,440 left and cut contact with him. There's other rumors that Lusa Rito's mom walked 418 00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:17,799 in on them and like the media released this as having sex. But again, 419 00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:22,400 she's thirteen, so really he was raping her. Yeah, because she's 420 00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:25,720 thirteen, she can't consent. Right, and so that's how the media like 421 00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:29,000 released the story and that after she saw that, she took her daughter and 422 00:29:29,039 --> 00:29:33,839 they left and cut all ties with him. There's another rumor that they started 423 00:29:33,839 --> 00:29:37,519 noticing her acting different and this is what Lusa Rito said, Oh but I 424 00:29:37,599 --> 00:29:38,759 love him, and they were like, what the fuck, You're thirteen, 425 00:29:38,799 --> 00:29:44,200 you don't love anyone like and and she had a brother that's a police officer, 426 00:29:44,279 --> 00:29:47,960 and then he went and like warned, said Hendread to stay away from 427 00:29:48,039 --> 00:29:51,079 her and threatened him, and then they took her and they cut all ties 428 00:29:51,119 --> 00:29:56,119 with said Hendrade. There's another story that Lusato told her mom her and said 429 00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:57,680 he we're going to run away together. He was going to steal her, 430 00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:02,839 like they said back in the day where they were like, oh, like, 431 00:30:02,839 --> 00:30:04,240 I'm gonna take your daughter, and that's when they cut all ties. 432 00:30:04,279 --> 00:30:08,720 Point is that something happened. They cut all ties with him. They protected 433 00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:12,160 her, they kept them away, which is what not a lot of parents 434 00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:15,920 did at the time. But I think another thing we had to realize is 435 00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:22,319 that Luceto was already famous. She already before working with him. Yeah, 436 00:30:22,359 --> 00:30:25,680 they weren't trying to make their little girls dreams come true. They were already 437 00:30:25,839 --> 00:30:29,359 coming true. She was already famous, because I think a lot of what 438 00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:33,680 happens later with other parents you'll see is like he'll use that excuse of like 439 00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:37,640 I'm the only person that's gonna make her famous. You have to do this 440 00:30:37,759 --> 00:30:41,599 or she'll never her dreams will never come true. And parents wanting to make 441 00:30:41,599 --> 00:30:45,200 this happen for their children, and that paycheck is also really nice. That's 442 00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:48,920 you know, like not everything was altruistic with these parents either. It was 443 00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:52,880 like, you know, he's working them to the bone, literally torturing them, 444 00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:59,240 and the payout is nice, you know. I mean, child stars 445 00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:04,680 across Hollywood would be ike. It takes a very exploitative ye on all sides, 446 00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:08,240 on all sides. 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Some of the members were already people that he 465 00:32:40,359 --> 00:32:44,359 girls, that he had already been working with, and this brings us to 466 00:32:44,519 --> 00:32:50,200 Maria raquelent Portillo, also known as Maria Bokitas and then the other members were 467 00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:54,119 Claudia Rossas, Pilar Ramirez, Monica Moor, and then Grodia Trevi was the 468 00:32:54,160 --> 00:33:00,680 last member of Bokita's Pintalas. This group lasted a year, but after the 469 00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:04,640 group fell apart, Gloria Trevi and Maria Bukita stayed by his side, not 470 00:33:05,039 --> 00:33:08,240 by their choice, which we'll learn. Yeah. In her own podcast in 471 00:33:08,359 --> 00:33:14,640 Rocacerada, Maria raquelen Portillo, she gives some insight on her own relationship with 472 00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:20,720 said Conrade before before and all of that. So, Maria had dreamed of 473 00:33:20,759 --> 00:33:24,319 being a star, like she sang before she could even talk, and her 474 00:33:24,519 --> 00:33:29,200 parents like noticed, like, oh my god, she's like talented, and 475 00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:32,359 so they wanted to help her make her dreams come true. They so they 476 00:33:32,359 --> 00:33:37,960 traveled with their daughter Maria from where they were from to Suda, Mexico, 477 00:33:38,319 --> 00:33:44,160 Mexico City, where Candrea worked and auditioned for him. He said he could 478 00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:47,799 make her famous, and even the audition was confusing because he never even he 479 00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:52,279 like showed no emotion. But this was all part of his ship, like 480 00:33:52,359 --> 00:33:57,680 all the things he did, like the manipulation, Yeah, because that makes 481 00:33:57,720 --> 00:33:59,960 you want to do it better, right, that makes you think you didn't 482 00:34:00,079 --> 00:34:01,720 do a good job, and so you're like, I need to perform better 483 00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:05,880 at the next one, Like I got it. He's he's still not smiling. 484 00:34:06,039 --> 00:34:08,280 It's like the Simon Cowell thing. Yeah, oh my god, it's 485 00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:14,239 exactly that. That just like the non emotion, non emotive kind of thing, 486 00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:16,239 and you're just like sitting there going give me something like give me a 487 00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:22,239 smile, like let me change something. So it compromises your own confidence, 488 00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:25,119 yeah, you know, and that's what he wants. He did this all 489 00:34:25,159 --> 00:34:28,719 the time. But he made them wait hours, like she said that they 490 00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:31,280 waited like at least eight hours before even auditioning. It's just something that he 491 00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:36,280 regularly did. Like we saw he did the same thing with Gloria Trevi So 492 00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:38,400 he like said nothing about her performance. He just said, Okay, start 493 00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:43,000 showing up every day at this time because you need work, you need training, 494 00:34:43,199 --> 00:34:45,199 you need to get better. And her dad was even like, well, 495 00:34:45,199 --> 00:34:47,639 we were only here for a month, like we have to go back 496 00:34:47,679 --> 00:34:50,440 to work, and he was like, no, you guys need to go 497 00:34:50,519 --> 00:34:52,840 all in or she's never going to make it. And so what they did 498 00:34:53,079 --> 00:34:57,400 was her dad went back to Tamolipas, and her and her mom got an 499 00:34:57,400 --> 00:35:00,199 apartment at the Ovehical so that she could keep training with him every single day. 500 00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:05,000 And then he told her mom, and you know, once the dad 501 00:35:05,079 --> 00:35:09,320 was gone, he told her mom and Maria Abukitas that they whenever they were 502 00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:12,960 doing training or seeing you know anything, she had to be alone in the 503 00:35:13,039 --> 00:35:15,599 room with him because it was too distracting for her mom to be there. 504 00:35:15,679 --> 00:35:17,920 And so her mom, her mom didn't leave the premise. There was like 505 00:35:19,039 --> 00:35:21,679 rooms in the back, and her mom was in the lobby waiting area the 506 00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:25,440 whole time, but there was back doors, there was like other ways you 507 00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:29,519 could get out without being in the lobby area. And so it all started. 508 00:35:29,559 --> 00:35:32,400 Like she did her training and the whole time he was also like that 509 00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:37,800 same serious, not really giving tips, nothing like that. But then once 510 00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:42,960 she was like more and more alone with him, this is when the grooming 511 00:35:43,159 --> 00:35:45,559 began. So like step one is get her alone, wrote which he had 512 00:35:45,599 --> 00:35:50,599 successfully done by telling the mom you can't be in the room as to distracting, 513 00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:53,079 And so then he started like sweet talking to her, paying her more 514 00:35:53,119 --> 00:35:57,840 attention than her own parents, telling her things like, oh, your parents 515 00:35:57,880 --> 00:36:00,840 are never going to understand you because like you, you have a dream, 516 00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:02,840 you want to be famous, you're talented. They're not. Only I can 517 00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:07,679 understand you because I can make it happen. She would ask how she was 518 00:36:07,719 --> 00:36:10,760 doing, how her like family situation, like just paying her way more attention 519 00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:14,719 than any adult was doing at this point in her life. And that's how 520 00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:19,639 it starts. That's what he's doing. And then one day he told her 521 00:36:19,679 --> 00:36:22,400 he wrote a song for her, like after their training or practice was over, 522 00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:25,320 which also, like you mentioned, was like very gruelly in practice, 523 00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:30,400 like play the piano and who your fingers are bleeding? Singing and seeing and 524 00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:32,519 seeing and no breaks and like no food, nothing like that. I was 525 00:36:32,559 --> 00:36:37,000 the regular training before she was even abused, like or this was abuse, 526 00:36:37,079 --> 00:36:42,079 but before he fully groomed her, I guess you could say. And so 527 00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:45,880 one day after that, a day of practice, he told her he wrote 528 00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:49,480 her a song and it was a love song. Weird. I'm like, 529 00:36:49,599 --> 00:36:52,400 what are you doing singing that to a thirteen year old? Oh? No, 530 00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:54,440 sorry she was? How old was she at this point, fourteen fifteen 531 00:36:54,679 --> 00:36:59,519 or even know anymore? Non consenting age? Yes, that is the point 532 00:37:00,039 --> 00:37:04,480 of inappropriate love. Yeah. And so after that point, she began to 533 00:37:04,519 --> 00:37:06,920 feel like she loved him. Oh, she was fifteen. I wrote it 534 00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:08,920 right after I was going to ask myself. That's why I wrote it. 535 00:37:09,519 --> 00:37:15,280 This is a reminder to take your met You're right, you're right. Yeah. 536 00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:19,480 So after that she began to feel like she loved him. And again 537 00:37:19,599 --> 00:37:22,840 she was fifteen and said, Yondrada, this was all part of his pun 538 00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:25,039 like he knew this was going to happen. That's why he was paying her 539 00:37:25,079 --> 00:37:30,519 all that attention and telling her all these things. And so after this song 540 00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:34,000 happened, he began sneaking her out of the studio while her mom was in 541 00:37:34,079 --> 00:37:37,880 the lobby, like thinking she was training. They were sneak out, go 542 00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:45,360 on quote unquote dates and this is like when you know the it's not a 543 00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:47,280 relationship, but yeah, like went on to the next step or whatever. 544 00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:51,840 Yeah, and she thought she was the only one. And then he told 545 00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:53,880 her like randomly, he was going to start a group and she had like 546 00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:58,360 no choice in the manner. And this is when all the auditions happened. 547 00:37:58,519 --> 00:38:04,119 And by other counts say Glorida was fifteen when she auditioned, but Maria Maria 548 00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:07,440 Rekolleen said she was seventeen that Clorida was seventeen when she auditioned. I'm like, 549 00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:10,199 oh, that's weird. Yeah, but I'm pretty sure she was fifteen. 550 00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:15,039 She was fifteen. Yeah. Her and Gloria became instant friends. Maria. 551 00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:17,599 Glorida would ask her like, oh, do you have a boyfriend, 552 00:38:17,639 --> 00:38:22,800 and she would be like no, but this whole time said he was her 553 00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:27,320 boyfriend quote unquote boyfriend. Yeah. At some point Gloria did tell or not 554 00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:30,519 Glordida. Maria did too. Gloria that she was with said hell yeah during 555 00:38:30,599 --> 00:38:36,400 this early even like this early in their relationship, said. He would continuously 556 00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:38,559 tell Maria like, you're not gonna treat me like lucea Ito. Right, 557 00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:44,360 She would ask again and again, like Lusaito broke my heart. He would 558 00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:47,400 cry. He would start crying, oh my gosh to her and she yeah, 559 00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:52,360 and she had to hold him and promised that she was always gonna listen 560 00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:55,519 to him, she was gonna tell anyone about them, because what he would 561 00:38:55,519 --> 00:39:00,440 tell her is that luce Ito broke his heart because she told her her mom 562 00:39:00,519 --> 00:39:04,480 about them, and then he wasn't allowed to see her anymore. So he 563 00:39:04,519 --> 00:39:07,519 was like, you can't tell anyone or the same thing's gonna happen. Hu 564 00:39:07,559 --> 00:39:09,480 Citi too broke my heart. And it's just so creepy because they all look 565 00:39:09,599 --> 00:39:14,679 like her. Yeah, like like every girl that he would go on to 566 00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:20,480 abuse, Maria Bokita's Doriatrevi, they all look like her too. Oh so 567 00:39:20,599 --> 00:39:23,679 creepy, disgusting, and he forbade her from talking to other boys, and 568 00:39:23,719 --> 00:39:28,480 these were rules he had for all the members. And so after a while 569 00:39:28,599 --> 00:39:32,519 of their relationship, Maria somehow ended up telling her mom that they were together, 570 00:39:34,159 --> 00:39:37,760 and then they like were freaking out and then said he went and told 571 00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:39,920 them like, oh no, she just she's obsessed with me. But as 572 00:39:39,960 --> 00:39:45,559 her teacher, I keep it business. Yeah, this cannot happen. Obviously, 573 00:39:45,639 --> 00:39:47,000 I'm an adult, and you know what, it's better that she likes 574 00:39:47,039 --> 00:39:51,639 me and she's not out there with boys her own age. I imagine what 575 00:39:51,719 --> 00:39:54,719 boys her own age would be doing, Like, no, we're just professionals 576 00:39:54,719 --> 00:39:58,639 here, and that's what he told them. But no, the whole time 577 00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:02,000 he had been abusing their daughter. And it's just and these people are like 578 00:40:02,639 --> 00:40:08,000 charming convinced. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, it's like Groomer's handbook one 579 00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:12,840 on one, you know, is that you can't be a mean like you 580 00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:15,599 can be a mean person, I think, but you ultimately like get the 581 00:40:15,679 --> 00:40:20,920 past because of how charming you are exactly, and so her mom believed him, 582 00:40:21,639 --> 00:40:24,880 and whatever time went on. So I think there was like a because 583 00:40:24,920 --> 00:40:28,800 you know, families will go to another town for like the entire month of 584 00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:31,320 like December for Christmas or whatever. Her family was going to go somewhere for 585 00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:34,960 like a whole month, and she was crying and freaking out. Her mom 586 00:40:35,039 --> 00:40:36,920 was like, why are you acting like this? This is so weird, 587 00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:38,480 Like, yeah, she didn't want to be away from said huol for that 588 00:40:38,519 --> 00:40:43,599 long, and so it was during that time that he told her I'm going 589 00:40:43,639 --> 00:40:45,519 to fix this. And then he went and told their parents they were gonna 590 00:40:45,519 --> 00:40:47,800 get married, and they were like what the fuck, Like you guys weren't 591 00:40:47,840 --> 00:40:52,599 even what are you talking about? Yeah, how did this happen? Yeah 592 00:40:52,760 --> 00:40:58,559 exactly, And he ended up convincing them in the same way like this is 593 00:40:58,599 --> 00:41:00,719 the for the best, Like this is I'm going to make her so successful. 594 00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:06,000 Think about how successful she'll be now being my wife. You know, 595 00:41:06,559 --> 00:41:08,599 pretty much the same the same shit, same lines, and so they let 596 00:41:08,639 --> 00:41:13,639 it happen. They did it and her, Like in Mariabuqita's this podcast, 597 00:41:13,719 --> 00:41:16,079 her mom actually goes on and they asked her like, well, why did 598 00:41:16,159 --> 00:41:19,639 you say yes? Why did you let this happen? And I think it's 599 00:41:19,679 --> 00:41:22,719 a story that we hear time and time again, but she said like, 600 00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:24,559 well, I didn't want to lose my daughter completely, Like I knew it 601 00:41:24,639 --> 00:41:28,880 was wrong, but I thought that if I fought it, she would turn 602 00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:30,599 against me. Mm hmm. I was like, well, if I let 603 00:41:30,599 --> 00:41:35,639 this happen, like even though he's an older man, like, she'll be 604 00:41:35,719 --> 00:41:39,480 safe and I and she won't hate me. And so she ended up saying 605 00:41:39,559 --> 00:41:45,000 yes, And so he didn't let her have a King Signetta because again she's 606 00:41:45,039 --> 00:41:49,000 fifteen. Yeah, so he was like, there's no King Signeta that's going 607 00:41:49,039 --> 00:41:52,599 to happen. We're going to get married instead. But then instead of a 608 00:41:52,679 --> 00:41:57,519 normal big lavish wedding where he randomly one day he got he talked to her 609 00:41:57,559 --> 00:41:59,119 and he was like, we're going to get married right now, and she 610 00:41:59,199 --> 00:42:04,079 had like an hour to tell her parents and they quickly went and got dressed. 611 00:42:04,119 --> 00:42:07,360 They found a random witness like that's how like it was like spur of 612 00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:10,559 the moment yeah, spur of the moment, like nothing was planned. Then 613 00:42:10,599 --> 00:42:14,360 he's like, all right, we're gonna go to our honeymoon in New York. 614 00:42:14,559 --> 00:42:16,920 And they said they're goodbyes, and then she was like, all right, 615 00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:20,280 we're going to New York. And then they ended up going back to 616 00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:23,320 Susan, Mexico to one of his houses where his mom lived, and they 617 00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:27,880 never went to New York. He trapped her in the house for like ten 618 00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:30,960 days. This is where he beat her. He raped her. His mom 619 00:42:31,039 --> 00:42:37,239 would make Mariac clean until her fingers were like bleeding and everything had to be 620 00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:39,360 spotless, or he would come back and beat her because something was wrong, 621 00:42:40,159 --> 00:42:44,559 she didn't like clean the way she was supposed to something, and then didn't 622 00:42:44,599 --> 00:42:46,760 let her go anywhere. Then after ten days of all that, they just 623 00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:52,800 went back to Susan, Mexico and like nobody questioned anything. Nobody asked why 624 00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:57,320 she was covered in bruises, like nothing. And again it's because these these 625 00:42:57,360 --> 00:43:00,800 people, these men have I don't know, people willing to carver for them, 626 00:43:00,920 --> 00:43:02,880 people that they're like, oh, that's just how they are. Yeah, 627 00:43:04,119 --> 00:43:06,760 I mean, I don't think a lot of people even were talking about 628 00:43:06,840 --> 00:43:12,599 domestic violence even then no, maybe not especially then I think it. I 629 00:43:12,599 --> 00:43:15,239 mean, it was bad in the US right, like where people were like, 630 00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:17,800 it's not my relationship, not my business, like it's not my problem 631 00:43:17,840 --> 00:43:22,719 to deal with. I only imagine that. It's like ten times that sentiment 632 00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:27,880 of like that's their family, that's their relationship, we don't get involved in 633 00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:30,800 it, like we're not gonna go against him, and stuff like that, 634 00:43:30,840 --> 00:43:35,760 and so exactly, you know, I can't I can't ever understand a mentality 635 00:43:35,880 --> 00:43:40,719 like that of seeing somebody go through something like that and then not wanting to 636 00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:46,159 do something. Yeah, you know, yeah, and yeah they went they 637 00:43:46,159 --> 00:43:52,840 went back and it was like time to train again for the group of and 638 00:43:52,159 --> 00:43:57,679 then he told the Budas that they were gonna all grab their stuff and live 639 00:43:57,719 --> 00:44:00,400 together in that same house that she had just been in Maria Bokita's. They 640 00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:04,800 were all to go there and live and spend every single minute together because they're 641 00:44:05,199 --> 00:44:07,920 I don't know, I don't know why. Honestly, according to Sadyo, 642 00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:13,840 the it was like how the group would bond or whatever. They were only 643 00:44:13,840 --> 00:44:16,840 together a year and then he told them it was going to be disbanded. 644 00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:21,960 But during that year that the Boksas were living together, they like trained and 645 00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:28,320 trained often eighteen hour days. Satyondrada was cruel when the girls made mistakes and 646 00:44:28,440 --> 00:44:31,119 during that time when they were like not training back in the house, Maria 647 00:44:31,840 --> 00:44:37,280 began noticing that Gloria was like more and more reserved with her, especially when 648 00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:39,840 she would talk about Sakyo and then oh and then I forgot to mention. 649 00:44:39,920 --> 00:44:45,800 But this entire time her marriage to Setyondrada was to be kept a secret. 650 00:44:45,639 --> 00:44:49,559 I think right before they were going to move into the group or everyone was 651 00:44:49,599 --> 00:44:52,320 going to move into the house, he told her that she needed a new 652 00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:55,880 name because she ran into a family member or someone that was like, oh, 653 00:44:55,960 --> 00:45:01,039 Maria Raqanell because she went by Drakanet mostly that's her middle name. And 654 00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:05,920 she ran into a friend or something who was asking her if she was going 655 00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:08,199 to go to Tamaulipas to visit family, or that they knew her family from 656 00:45:08,199 --> 00:45:14,280 back home. Somebody somebody recognized her Draconel and then her last names, like 657 00:45:14,360 --> 00:45:15,480 somebody was like, I know your family from back home, how have you 658 00:45:15,559 --> 00:45:19,880 been? And one Sitcomda noticed this. He was like, oh, you're 659 00:45:19,920 --> 00:45:22,440 changing your name. Your name is too your last name plus your middle name, 660 00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:25,760 it's too well known. People know that you're from Tamaulipas. From now 661 00:45:25,760 --> 00:45:30,960 on, you're going to be Mariaboquitas. That's your new name, because it's 662 00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:34,480 more anonymous and that way no one can find you, and you're gonna just 663 00:45:34,519 --> 00:45:37,719 going to be more like hidden. And from from that moment on, she 664 00:45:37,800 --> 00:45:40,159 was Mariabokitas. Yeah. See, and I hear two different things. I 665 00:45:40,199 --> 00:45:45,840 heard that story, but then I also heard the one where she like wanted 666 00:45:45,840 --> 00:45:49,519 to change it to honor his creativity. It's probably a little bit of both. 667 00:45:49,960 --> 00:45:52,119 Yeah, it's like, you created this group, and I want to 668 00:45:52,159 --> 00:45:57,079 honor it for like ever and show you like how dedicated and passionate I am 669 00:45:57,159 --> 00:46:00,920 about it. And so she changed her last name to kind of honor that, 670 00:46:00,039 --> 00:46:04,519 and I'm like, that's so sad, and she still goes by it, 671 00:46:04,599 --> 00:46:07,119 so like I mean, it's you know, you can't it's you can't 672 00:46:07,119 --> 00:46:10,280 do much with things like that because that's kind of your brand at that point, 673 00:46:10,320 --> 00:46:14,559 you know. But it is sad to think about her being so young. 674 00:46:14,599 --> 00:46:16,480 I mean, she wasn't even twenty one, you know, like she's 675 00:46:16,559 --> 00:46:21,920 super young. No, she was so what fifteen during all this, Yeah, 676 00:46:22,039 --> 00:46:24,880 just a it's a really sad mentality in terms of like the manipulation that's 677 00:46:24,880 --> 00:46:29,400 happening and across the group, you know, like it was. I think 678 00:46:29,400 --> 00:46:32,119 when people think of girl groups, they already imagine like the cattiness and all 679 00:46:32,159 --> 00:46:36,840 that stuff, like a hundred times worse than this. Yeah, you know, 680 00:46:37,039 --> 00:46:43,239 like he he created an environment for them to distrust each other when they 681 00:46:43,320 --> 00:46:46,679 could have relied upon each other and leaned on each other for support a hun 682 00:46:47,840 --> 00:46:52,079 he was like, I think he knew that, So I think he intentionally 683 00:46:52,119 --> 00:46:57,920 created that environment so that none of them felt safe with each other and they 684 00:46:57,920 --> 00:47:01,119 were all kind of looking to get the other person in trouble for his favor. 685 00:47:01,239 --> 00:47:06,559 For sure, that's exactly what he was doing. And yeah, I 686 00:47:06,599 --> 00:47:09,760 forgot to mention all that, but that's why I'm here girl the official co 687 00:47:09,920 --> 00:47:15,000 host. Yeah, yeah, official, just kidding, feel better, germent. 688 00:47:17,159 --> 00:47:21,920 So yeah, during all this time, Maria began noticing Gloria was more 689 00:47:21,920 --> 00:47:24,719 and more reserved and spending more time was said. And then she also noticed 690 00:47:24,719 --> 00:47:29,079 that said he was spending less time with Maria and with herself. And then 691 00:47:29,360 --> 00:47:34,239 when the group was disbanded and everyone left, Gloria stayed and Maria was like, 692 00:47:34,239 --> 00:47:36,679 what is happening. Why is Gloria still here if the rest of the 693 00:47:36,719 --> 00:47:39,760 group left, But she didn't want to believe it. And then one night 694 00:47:39,800 --> 00:47:44,159 she saw Gloria Trevi leaving said he was room late at night, and so 695 00:47:44,280 --> 00:47:47,320 then she asked, said he if he was with Gloria and then he after 696 00:47:47,400 --> 00:47:51,159 hitting her and all that, like was like, oh, that's what you 697 00:47:51,159 --> 00:47:53,079 get for not listening. I told you not to tell anyone about us. 698 00:47:53,119 --> 00:47:55,719 And again, if we like go back to a little bit in this episode, 699 00:47:55,800 --> 00:47:59,880 she did tell Gloria about them m hm, and so he was like, 700 00:48:00,079 --> 00:48:01,199 this is what you get. I told you not to tell anyone about 701 00:48:01,239 --> 00:48:05,039 us, and you did, so this is what happens. And Maria, 702 00:48:05,119 --> 00:48:09,360 again still young in love, abused. She felt like she had no choice 703 00:48:09,679 --> 00:48:13,880 to accept it, but she was like surprised. In her own podcast, 704 00:48:13,920 --> 00:48:17,920 she says she was surprised that the rebellious she got that Belosto, the girl 705 00:48:17,960 --> 00:48:22,760 with her hair down, had also fallen for the same abuse that she had. 706 00:48:23,199 --> 00:48:27,119 And these are her words like again, this just to me goes to 707 00:48:27,119 --> 00:48:30,039 show that anyone can be groomed, anyone can be abused, regardless of who 708 00:48:30,039 --> 00:48:35,719 they are, and because I think something like so many people when they talk 709 00:48:35,719 --> 00:48:38,039 about the story Passed Over, is that they were both so young, Yeah, 710 00:48:38,719 --> 00:48:43,599 so young, and he was fucking an old ass man like yeah, 711 00:48:43,920 --> 00:48:46,960 comparatively speaking to them like I'm in I'm older than Sergio was at the time 712 00:48:47,440 --> 00:48:51,320 this was going on, right, like I'm thirty five. Oh no, 713 00:48:51,360 --> 00:48:53,880 wait, I'm thirty six. Mother, so neither way, like he was 714 00:48:53,920 --> 00:48:58,360 still in his thirties, like he I mean, like not even in his 715 00:48:58,519 --> 00:49:02,280 mid thirties. He's in his early thirties. Yeah, like thirty two thirties 716 00:49:02,320 --> 00:49:07,239 some shit. But there's you know, I can't even begin to imagine the 717 00:49:07,280 --> 00:49:10,000 type of mind frame you'd have to find a fifteen year old. I would 718 00:49:10,000 --> 00:49:15,719 like pass you know, like makes me want to throw up, but don't. 719 00:49:15,719 --> 00:49:19,119 I would say, you do you? But in this instance, don't 720 00:49:19,159 --> 00:49:24,800 do you? Like, do not commit a crime? I don't understand it. 721 00:49:25,719 --> 00:49:30,920 And you made a really great point here too, Like it's really easy 722 00:49:30,039 --> 00:49:35,159 to villainize the women in this case, right, Like in the story, 723 00:49:35,199 --> 00:49:37,800 it's really easy to say, like, oh, they should have said something 724 00:49:37,920 --> 00:49:44,360 or they you know, Glodia is like known as this trailblazer for feminism in 725 00:49:44,440 --> 00:49:47,960 Mexico, right, Like all of her songs deal with the kind of empowerment 726 00:49:49,000 --> 00:49:51,639 and all this stuff. Like maybe now she's not known that, but at 727 00:49:51,639 --> 00:49:54,719 the time people were like looking at her like you're amazing, Like you're speaking 728 00:49:54,719 --> 00:49:59,000 for us and you're empowering us and all this stuff. And people who aren't 729 00:49:59,079 --> 00:50:02,679 educated about violence are grooming and how it works. It's easy to blame the 730 00:50:02,760 --> 00:50:06,440 victim. It's I mean, it's kind of like a knee jerk reaction to 731 00:50:06,519 --> 00:50:08,800 be like, well you should have or I would have done. You don't 732 00:50:08,800 --> 00:50:14,000 know how you would truly react, and you don't same thing like joining cold. 733 00:50:14,639 --> 00:50:17,280 It can happen to anybody, and these were all kinds. This was 734 00:50:17,320 --> 00:50:22,159 a very layered approach that he had. Not only was he grooming, he 735 00:50:22,280 --> 00:50:28,039 was also you know, engaging in domestic abuse with more than one person. 736 00:50:28,360 --> 00:50:31,760 But then he was also really, oh my gosh, what was I saying? 737 00:50:34,360 --> 00:50:38,320 I didn't take my meds. I had a point, and I'm sure 738 00:50:38,320 --> 00:50:40,400 it was great. It was going to be good. It was going to 739 00:50:40,480 --> 00:50:44,599 be good. Just imagine it was great. I think so, yeah. 740 00:50:44,639 --> 00:50:50,239 But all have to say is that he is a pos exactly in all he's 741 00:50:50,280 --> 00:50:54,760 a piece of shit. Yes. So then in nineteen eighty six things started 742 00:50:54,760 --> 00:51:02,519 going very wrong for Set. The wedding, the marriage to teenager Maria Bokitas 743 00:51:02,559 --> 00:51:07,800 went public, not by her choice, rumors had been going around for a 744 00:51:07,840 --> 00:51:10,719 long time now, but she was at a show or something. It was 745 00:51:10,760 --> 00:51:15,400 like a television show, and the anchor, who was friends with Sea was 746 00:51:15,400 --> 00:51:17,039 like howding her, like, oh, you're married, How you're married? 747 00:51:17,079 --> 00:51:21,039 You guys are married, And at some point she had like no choice but 748 00:51:21,119 --> 00:51:23,280 to be like, yeah, we got married. And so this came to 749 00:51:23,400 --> 00:51:28,440 light, it was confirmed, and then at the same time, a father 750 00:51:28,599 --> 00:51:32,480 of one of setnads former clients began looking for him and was public about it 751 00:51:32,559 --> 00:51:37,960 because his daughter was pregnant. I can't even find this girl's name. I 752 00:51:37,960 --> 00:51:40,519 think she's anonymous. Yeah, that has to be it. But that this 753 00:51:40,639 --> 00:51:44,920 was all happening at the same time, and then this led said he had 754 00:51:44,960 --> 00:51:47,199 to go into hiding, and he didn't tell anyone where he went. He 755 00:51:47,199 --> 00:51:52,599 didn't even tell Maria, his wife, where he was going. And then 756 00:51:52,679 --> 00:51:54,920 he also didn't tell Gloria Trevi. But all three of them had to be 757 00:51:55,000 --> 00:51:59,719 living together at the time. Yeah, so he was gone for almost two 758 00:51:59,800 --> 00:52:02,840 years. During this time, Gloria Trevi's own whereabouts are not really known. 759 00:52:04,559 --> 00:52:07,199 They changed, like she the details of what was happening during this time changed 760 00:52:07,199 --> 00:52:10,960 from time to time. She says she spent time singing and the bus for 761 00:52:12,119 --> 00:52:15,760 money, teaching yoga, just trying to get by, but she was not 762 00:52:15,840 --> 00:52:22,239 like singing or anything like career wise, and then said her resurfaces after almost 763 00:52:22,239 --> 00:52:25,599 two years. She finds him again, and she wrote a bunch of songs 764 00:52:25,639 --> 00:52:30,559 during this time period and they were good. He was like, Wow, 765 00:52:30,559 --> 00:52:34,519 these are really good, and so she wanted him to produce her music because 766 00:52:34,920 --> 00:52:38,119 like he was still insanely talented, Like you could see all the names he 767 00:52:38,159 --> 00:52:42,800 had worked with before. He agreed to produce it, but he made her 768 00:52:42,840 --> 00:52:45,400 pay for it. Yeah, Like isn't that crazy. I was like I 769 00:52:45,400 --> 00:52:49,760 remember reading through that part and I was like, how are you going to 770 00:52:49,840 --> 00:52:52,519 sit here with this as a multi millionaire? Like, yeah, his business 771 00:52:52,599 --> 00:52:55,920 was not affected as greatly as like Gloria and the rest of the girls of 772 00:52:55,960 --> 00:53:00,280 the group, like they had nothing when they left, right and even like 773 00:53:00,400 --> 00:53:05,199 even though he was married to Maria, like still same things. It's not 774 00:53:05,239 --> 00:53:07,519 like you went into hiding with her. He was like, no, he's 775 00:53:07,519 --> 00:53:09,360 out, it's with me by myself. I'm taking care of me. Like 776 00:53:10,000 --> 00:53:15,280 that was crazy to me because it was like she had again it's the coercive 777 00:53:15,440 --> 00:53:19,400 control kind of thing. It's like, I'm going to make it so difficult 778 00:53:19,440 --> 00:53:22,519 for you to exist on this planet that the only thing you want to eat 779 00:53:22,559 --> 00:53:25,840 for breakfast, lunch, and dinner is my approval. Like that's literally all 780 00:53:25,880 --> 00:53:29,920 it is. Yes, So he's like, yeah, figure it out if 781 00:53:29,960 --> 00:53:32,159 you want to be famous. I'm broke, but I'm about to go to 782 00:53:32,199 --> 00:53:37,320 my vacation home, so just let me know. Pretty much. She ended 783 00:53:37,360 --> 00:53:40,800 up paying for it, and it was an instant success because she she was 784 00:53:40,840 --> 00:53:45,320 also insanely talented. It wasn't just him his producing Like I would say, 785 00:53:45,519 --> 00:53:49,119 she could have done it without him. But obviously at the time she didn't 786 00:53:49,119 --> 00:53:52,360 know she had already been abused by him. She was so young at this 787 00:53:52,400 --> 00:53:54,639 point, she was eighteen, but she had been abused by him since what 788 00:53:54,760 --> 00:53:59,320 age fifteen, Like that doesn't go away over nine, obviously, so she 789 00:53:59,519 --> 00:54:02,320 thought she him. Yeah, and she didn't have the confidence. I mean, 790 00:54:02,360 --> 00:54:07,639 her confidence had been like drilled down to nothing, you know. Yeah, 791 00:54:07,360 --> 00:54:12,639 at some point. He reconnects also during this time period with Maria Abukitas, 792 00:54:12,840 --> 00:54:15,519 who had no idea where he was. Nothing about him Again, she's 793 00:54:15,559 --> 00:54:22,280 also eighteen, they're still married. They're still married. So he tells her 794 00:54:22,400 --> 00:54:25,360 he's going to open up like a talent school for teaching girls and then makes 795 00:54:25,400 --> 00:54:30,920 her like the person that does everything. He might admin everything for everything. 796 00:54:31,679 --> 00:54:38,360 Yeah, it's very strange, and so just like they had been living before 797 00:54:38,400 --> 00:54:43,440 he disappeared went into hiding, he convinced, not convinced them, but like 798 00:54:43,480 --> 00:54:45,760 force them that they were all going to be living together again. They were 799 00:54:45,800 --> 00:54:49,800 both going to be with him, and they had no choice in this manner. 800 00:54:50,000 --> 00:54:54,079 Yeah, so then they were all living together again, and he was 801 00:54:54,119 --> 00:54:59,079 with both of them. He controlled everything, they did, abuse them, 802 00:54:59,159 --> 00:55:02,000 they couldn't talk to what. I found one account that said they were forced 803 00:55:02,039 --> 00:55:07,320 to live in like whatever office was in that same yes, in the they 804 00:55:07,320 --> 00:55:09,679 were supposed to they lived in the uh sorry I had to adjust my chair 805 00:55:09,960 --> 00:55:14,880 living in the uh the office building that they were in. But they weren't 806 00:55:14,920 --> 00:55:17,119 even like I'm trying to think of a movie that was like this, but 807 00:55:17,159 --> 00:55:22,400 they were like they weren't even allowed to be around the employees so like their 808 00:55:22,440 --> 00:55:27,599 employees of this of this establishment, but they're like you stay back there, 809 00:55:28,079 --> 00:55:32,840 and you know, again, deplorable conditions for these you know, alleged superstars 810 00:55:34,119 --> 00:55:38,079 mm hmmm, yeah, especially Groya Trevi, who on the outside was this 811 00:55:38,199 --> 00:55:43,519 rebellious figure, this feminist figure. In this entire time, she was being 812 00:55:43,519 --> 00:55:49,840 abused too, right. So in her podcast in Boca, Mariabokitaz talks about 813 00:55:49,920 --> 00:55:55,079 an incident that happened during this time period that Setiyo was furious because somebody had 814 00:55:55,119 --> 00:56:00,119 eaten his tuna can and nobody would say who who was, Like Gloria and 815 00:56:00,159 --> 00:56:02,599 Maria were like, it wasn't me, both of them. So then he 816 00:56:02,679 --> 00:56:07,280 told Maria and trigger warning because this part is horrendous, but this whole episode 817 00:56:07,280 --> 00:56:08,639 actually needs a trigger warning. I forgot to say that up top. I 818 00:56:08,679 --> 00:56:14,960 will say it later and put it in there. But he told Maria to 819 00:56:15,760 --> 00:56:19,360 undress herself, to get naked and then like lay face down, and then 820 00:56:19,400 --> 00:56:22,199 he forced gloriad to come inside and then he kept asking Gloria, did you 821 00:56:22,360 --> 00:56:27,360 eat the tuna can? And every time Gloria said no, he hit Maria 822 00:56:27,440 --> 00:56:31,920 and this went on until he got tired because Grodad never admitted that she ate 823 00:56:31,960 --> 00:56:36,000 it, and then Maria also said she didn't eat it, so he kept 824 00:56:36,599 --> 00:56:39,719 hitting her until he got tired. And this he did things like this to 825 00:56:39,800 --> 00:56:45,519 train them both basically to not like you were saying earlier, that they couldn't 826 00:56:45,519 --> 00:56:49,559 confide in each other, they only had him and everything was up to him, 827 00:56:49,599 --> 00:56:52,639 and this was just another way to further abuse, coerce them, make 828 00:56:52,679 --> 00:56:57,559 them more scared, things like this, because he regularly did things like that. 829 00:56:58,039 --> 00:57:00,800 He decided which one of them was going to sleep with him, because 830 00:57:01,400 --> 00:57:05,480 they had it was like a house, and when they were they were not 831 00:57:05,519 --> 00:57:08,039 in the office. Each person had their own room and he had the master 832 00:57:08,159 --> 00:57:10,920 bedroom, and he would decide, Okay, tonight you sleep with me. 833 00:57:12,039 --> 00:57:14,800 The next night you sleep with me. But even if they were chosen to 834 00:57:14,840 --> 00:57:16,920 sleep with him, they didn't sleep in the bed with him. They slept 835 00:57:16,920 --> 00:57:21,840 on the floor at the foot of his bed. Oh my god, and 836 00:57:21,920 --> 00:57:28,719 that something yeah, insane. And during the same time period, Maria Bokitas 837 00:57:28,840 --> 00:57:32,679 was forced to do all the household like cleaning the admin stuff of this talent 838 00:57:32,800 --> 00:57:40,039 school, and Setu and Gloria were working on Grogatre Vis's solo career, which 839 00:57:40,079 --> 00:57:45,000 again was doing good, was taking she was taking off. And then at 840 00:57:45,000 --> 00:57:49,840 some point Setyo told Maria Bukitas that all three of them were going to go 841 00:57:49,920 --> 00:57:53,159 to some promotional event in Pachuka, Ialgo. So all three of them went 842 00:57:53,360 --> 00:57:58,760 and this is where they met Sonya Rios. She was a thirteen year old 843 00:57:58,760 --> 00:58:01,840 girl. She was working at a stand with her mom. Said he'll convince 844 00:58:01,880 --> 00:58:07,519 the girl's mom that she was going to work with them at this convention for 845 00:58:07,559 --> 00:58:12,119 the like three days that they were there, and then convinced the girl's mom 846 00:58:12,440 --> 00:58:15,159 that Sonya was going to make more money if she wants to see that, 847 00:58:15,199 --> 00:58:17,400 and may he go with them. She was gonna be safe, she was 848 00:58:17,440 --> 00:58:22,079 going to help them out because they were like very poor. He would make 849 00:58:22,119 --> 00:58:24,239 her famous. Blah blah blah, the same shit, same shit as always 850 00:58:24,280 --> 00:58:31,119 right, So he convinced this mom to basically give over give her daughter to 851 00:58:31,199 --> 00:58:36,480 him like and she went with them, and so now Glodia was This is 852 00:58:36,519 --> 00:58:40,119 what he told Maria Bukitas and Greye Trevi that Sonya was now part of the 853 00:58:40,159 --> 00:58:45,360 family, that's what he called themselves. She was the first like girl after 854 00:58:45,400 --> 00:58:50,840 them to become a victim of this like sect or cult or like, yeah, 855 00:58:50,840 --> 00:58:52,519 whatever you want to call it. So and again she was thirteen. 856 00:58:53,039 --> 00:58:58,239 At some point Media's family tried getting her out of this because they couldn't get 857 00:58:58,239 --> 00:59:00,400 a hold of her. He didn't like let them talk to their family at 858 00:59:00,440 --> 00:59:05,719 all, of course, right, he completely isolated them. Yeah, and 859 00:59:05,760 --> 00:59:08,400 so they were like they desperate to see her. And I think at some 860 00:59:09,000 --> 00:59:14,519 occasion they learned where she was, just through like Colleen offices something. I 861 00:59:14,519 --> 00:59:17,960 don't know exactly how. Yeah, so she called the she called the recording 862 00:59:19,000 --> 00:59:22,599 studio because it was one that he had used in the past and she knew 863 00:59:22,639 --> 00:59:25,880 about it. I think I forgot how she found out, but she basically 864 00:59:25,880 --> 00:59:29,079 asked the employee like, oh, hey, I'm trying to like get a 865 00:59:29,079 --> 00:59:32,440 hold of him, and I can't remember where he's where he's staying and stuff. 866 00:59:32,480 --> 00:59:36,559 And so that person was like, oh, no problem, he's staying 867 00:59:36,559 --> 00:59:39,159 here and here's his room. And I was like, hello, safety security, 868 00:59:39,199 --> 00:59:43,760 you guys. But I'm glad obviously, Yeah, she said something, 869 00:59:43,840 --> 00:59:46,079 but that's how she found out. I almost feel like that was a different 870 00:59:46,119 --> 00:59:51,239 location because then what I wrote was from her own podcast, and she says 871 00:59:51,280 --> 00:59:53,800 that her and Clodia I met with her family at some point. Oh, 872 00:59:53,840 --> 00:59:58,400 I'm thinking of Alene, my bad. Oh that's who. Yeah, because 873 00:59:58,440 --> 01:00:00,920 that happened too. Yeah, like it sounds so familiar. And that's that 874 01:00:01,000 --> 01:00:07,440 sounds so familiar. It's like basically the same. Yeah. Well we'll get 875 01:00:07,480 --> 01:00:12,000 to add Oh my god. And this is only part one. This is 876 01:00:12,039 --> 01:00:15,480 how bad this is. So Madia's family dragged her into a car and left. 877 01:00:15,960 --> 01:00:20,599 Apparently at some point her dad paid Gloria because Glorida was trying to like 878 01:00:21,039 --> 01:00:24,480 stop them from taking Maria. Then Saidio found where her family was at. 879 01:00:24,639 --> 01:00:29,119 He had two cops with him, and they pointed guns at Maria's dad, 880 01:00:29,280 --> 01:00:34,960 demanding he released Maria, and her dad pleaded like she's underage, blah blah 881 01:00:35,000 --> 01:00:37,079 blah, and was like that doesn't matter. She's my wife. Now, 882 01:00:37,119 --> 01:00:40,639 you have no rights over her. I'm like her guardian now because they're married, 883 01:00:40,679 --> 01:00:45,440 which is disgusting. M oh true. And then Seidio grabbed a gun 884 01:00:45,480 --> 01:00:50,039 from one of the police officers and like put it on her dad's head and 885 01:00:50,239 --> 01:00:53,000 was like let her go. And so she Madia herself was like let me 886 01:00:53,039 --> 01:00:57,599 go because she didn't want her dad to die and like they were so scared 887 01:00:57,639 --> 01:01:01,400 they let her go and it's just and allowed to like intimidate them. It's 888 01:01:01,480 --> 01:01:08,239 crazy, insane. Yeah. So after this all was happening, after they 889 01:01:08,280 --> 01:01:14,400 found Sonya to join their quote unquote family, Gloria and Maria were in charge 890 01:01:14,400 --> 01:01:19,519 of finding girls at the academy that said he could abuse. Though through her 891 01:01:19,920 --> 01:01:24,159 podcasts and Brocasda, Maria Bukitas maintains that Gloria Trevi was better at it and 892 01:01:24,199 --> 01:01:29,239 that because she was the more public figure, so she was really the one 893 01:01:29,280 --> 01:01:31,280 finding girls. Now, Mariabokitas, we don't know how true that is, 894 01:01:31,800 --> 01:01:37,880 but although I could see it because Gloria was the famous one, Mariabokitas was 895 01:01:37,880 --> 01:01:43,079 basically hidden and like in charge of everything behind the scenes. Yeah, Gloria 896 01:01:43,159 --> 01:01:46,159 Trevi was the face the fame. She'd be able to disarm somebody a lot 897 01:01:46,199 --> 01:01:50,639 easier because you're admiring, like, oh my god, I gotta trust her. 898 01:01:50,639 --> 01:01:53,760 She's a trusted figure, you know. And so in nineteen ninety, 899 01:01:54,360 --> 01:02:02,239 Gloria brought thirteen year old Alene and Nanez, who Gloria through a friend that 900 01:02:02,360 --> 01:02:07,719 was a dancer of hers. Of Gloria Trevis and so she auditioned with Gloria 901 01:02:07,719 --> 01:02:12,719 and said you're in the room, and then like the audition was like they 902 01:02:12,800 --> 01:02:15,719 all went. He was all still awake and serious and the same shit as 903 01:02:15,760 --> 01:02:19,159 always, right, But then after the audition, Gloria Trevi told her that 904 01:02:19,199 --> 01:02:22,559 there was another audition and that this was like standard, this was normal in 905 01:02:22,599 --> 01:02:28,280 the industry. That said, he'll need it to see her naked basically or 906 01:02:28,320 --> 01:02:31,719 like undressed, and she was like reluctant. Again, she's thirteen. She 907 01:02:31,760 --> 01:02:36,199 doesn't want to address herself in front of a man. But Gloriac convinced her 908 01:02:36,239 --> 01:02:38,960 that like this is what this is. Everybody does this basically. It's like 909 01:02:39,039 --> 01:02:43,480 everybody in the industry does this. Like if you if you're going to be 910 01:02:43,519 --> 01:02:45,880 serious about this, you have to be uncomfortable. And to some of the 911 01:02:45,920 --> 01:02:49,840 credit, yes, that does happen, right, like you have quick changes 912 01:02:49,880 --> 01:02:53,440 behind stage and you're like fully naked changing into your costumes and things like that. 913 01:02:53,480 --> 01:02:59,719 But those are adults for the most part, those are not you know. 914 01:02:59,800 --> 01:03:04,119 Yeah, yeah, so she's not wrong in that sense, but I 915 01:03:04,159 --> 01:03:07,760 think you know, again, she's not been charged with anything. I mean, 916 01:03:07,800 --> 01:03:12,599 she's been charged, she's not been what is likes she was not found 917 01:03:12,679 --> 01:03:16,920 guilty in the eyes of the law, right, but she's had what do 918 01:03:17,000 --> 01:03:22,880 they call like not personal loss with civil brought against her. Yeah, you 919 01:03:22,920 --> 01:03:25,960 know, and those are easier to you know, the burden of proof isn't 920 01:03:25,960 --> 01:03:29,519 as strong. It's more so like do you think this could have happened? 921 01:03:29,559 --> 01:03:37,320 Of course, So you know, I think it's really disheartening to see how 922 01:03:37,360 --> 01:03:40,599 that manipulation it's like a mold for them, Like it starts with Sergio, 923 01:03:40,679 --> 01:03:45,679 but then it kind of like, you know, every every hit he takes 924 01:03:45,679 --> 01:03:49,280 it and chips away at them as a person, they take on a part 925 01:03:49,280 --> 01:03:52,239 of his personality because they know that's what happens. Yeah, this is something 926 01:03:52,280 --> 01:03:57,239 that we see again again in all these types of cltes, where then the 927 01:03:57,280 --> 01:04:00,079 abuse that were abused for a young age hit in adult age and now they're 928 01:04:00,199 --> 01:04:04,599 tasked with finding new victims for the abuser exactly. So this this is a 929 01:04:04,639 --> 01:04:09,480 thing, This is something that happens, and it's it's sad and you know, 930 01:04:09,559 --> 01:04:13,320 like discussing at the same time. Yeah, and again doesn't take away 931 01:04:13,320 --> 01:04:16,559 from their accountability exactly, you know, they should have it, but yeah, 932 01:04:16,559 --> 01:04:20,440 it is sad to see that she used her own position to do what 933 01:04:20,480 --> 01:04:25,320 was happening to her and what happened to her to somebody else who just had 934 01:04:25,320 --> 01:04:30,039 a dream the other Yeah, I didn't know any better. So this was 935 01:04:30,280 --> 01:04:34,840 Gloria her role in the because now it's like known as the Andrade trevi Coult, 936 01:04:35,239 --> 01:04:40,119 which just goes to show how much blame they're putting on her. She 937 01:04:40,760 --> 01:04:44,159 is also getting. But yeah, that that was her role. And so 938 01:04:44,400 --> 01:04:47,440 said, Yo was obsessed with Alene and he started like he always did, 939 01:04:47,639 --> 01:04:51,400 promises of fame and album, just like he did with Maria with Boitas, 940 01:04:51,480 --> 01:04:56,360 and soon he began abusing her Alene and Nane this just like he did with 941 01:04:56,440 --> 01:05:00,440 the other girls, the same thing. And then again like he had with 942 01:05:00,519 --> 01:05:03,440 Maria Bokita's, he brought up lu Serito again. Yeah, I'm like, 943 01:05:03,440 --> 01:05:09,039 what do you is? This like insane to me? The same shit he 944 01:05:09,079 --> 01:05:11,760 would tell her, like, don't be like her, don't tell your parents. 945 01:05:11,840 --> 01:05:14,639 She told her mom, don't leave me, broke my heart, don't 946 01:05:14,679 --> 01:05:16,880 leave Yeah, don't leave me, blah blah blah, crying and shit like 947 01:05:17,119 --> 01:05:23,039 discussing because you know, she was abused and a young girl. She believed 948 01:05:23,079 --> 01:05:26,920 him and they had a I didn't want to call it a relationship, but 949 01:05:27,000 --> 01:05:31,239 he was abusing her, and so then he announced to her parents that they 950 01:05:31,239 --> 01:05:34,679 were gonna get married, just like he had with Maria Boqita's his parents, 951 01:05:35,039 --> 01:05:41,360 same scenario. He forced Maria to sign divorce papers for him so that he 952 01:05:41,400 --> 01:05:45,480 could marry now fourteen year old Alena ed Nanez, and then she moved into 953 01:05:45,519 --> 01:05:48,840 the house with them. So now it was Maria, Gloria, Sonya and 954 01:05:48,920 --> 01:05:54,679 Alene and the acts of abuse fighting new victims is continued for years. Some 955 01:05:54,719 --> 01:05:58,880 girls came and went and didn't stay like the other four that were already part 956 01:05:58,880 --> 01:06:03,280 of the house during this time. Sonya the first girl from Cado, where 957 01:06:03,280 --> 01:06:05,719 they aren't even I lost track of where they were at whatever. From the 958 01:06:05,719 --> 01:06:11,239 fruit stand. That girl she had a baby. She had a baby girl 959 01:06:11,360 --> 01:06:15,880 and then a baby boy, and said, Hyo didn't want another quote unquote 960 01:06:15,920 --> 01:06:18,519 man in the house, so he just gave her baby away the boy. 961 01:06:18,960 --> 01:06:23,639 Oh my god, so disgusting, because you only wanted girls. Yeah, 962 01:06:24,159 --> 01:06:29,360 so now you can add like what human trafficking to ye his a list of 963 01:06:29,400 --> 01:06:33,440 crimes. So now there's more young girls Gloria Maria said jo all In this 964 01:06:33,519 --> 01:06:36,800 house, right, and they're all being sexually abused, they're being starved, 965 01:06:36,800 --> 01:06:41,639 they're being beat by him. Then we got to nineteen ninety four. Now 966 01:06:41,920 --> 01:06:45,519 this has been going on for years, but like nobody knows about it. 967 01:06:45,599 --> 01:06:49,039 In nineteen ninety four, twelve year old Karina Yapod and her mom were waiting 968 01:06:49,440 --> 01:06:54,199 to meet Gloria with the hopes of Katina working with Setiyo, and they got 969 01:06:54,239 --> 01:06:57,880 their wish. Gloria put together meeting like an audition for the talent school that 970 01:06:57,920 --> 01:07:01,079 didn't really exist, right, it was a traffic school, yes, basically 971 01:07:01,119 --> 01:07:05,679 it was not a talent school, and so she auditioned. And I guess 972 01:07:05,719 --> 01:07:12,199 all these editions involved singing a song of Gloria Trevi and then acting like a 973 01:07:12,320 --> 01:07:16,400 rich person and a poor person to show that they could act. Although the 974 01:07:16,920 --> 01:07:19,960 what I read in Spanish was that it was like, you have to act 975 01:07:20,039 --> 01:07:24,000 like an India or India and I'm like, oh, I'm not going to 976 01:07:24,119 --> 01:07:29,559 use that word, but culture. Yeah, they had to act like the 977 01:07:29,639 --> 01:07:32,039 slur for an indigenous person. That was part of the audition. Insane. 978 01:07:32,360 --> 01:07:35,159 She passed the audition she was to join, and then Saidkyo did what he 979 01:07:35,239 --> 01:07:40,840 always did he went to the parents said he needed this paper sign because being 980 01:07:40,880 --> 01:07:44,679 part of this talent school required them to fly around from country to country, 981 01:07:45,039 --> 01:07:48,519 and this paper would make it easy for him to let Karina fly with his 982 01:07:48,639 --> 01:07:53,519 group from country to country. And so they signed it, not understanding what 983 01:07:53,559 --> 01:07:58,079 they just did. They just signed their parental rights of Karina over to Seryo. 984 01:07:58,400 --> 01:08:00,400 But they did when they said the paper, they weren't expelling what it 985 01:08:00,440 --> 01:08:03,599 was. They just signed it because their little girl out to be famous, 986 01:08:03,679 --> 01:08:09,480 right, Yeah, So then Karinaya was moved into the house. She became 987 01:08:09,519 --> 01:08:13,639 part of the quote unquote family and then exposed to the same abuse, forced 988 01:08:13,719 --> 01:08:17,399 orgies, sexual abuse, beating, starvings, and like you know. Another 989 01:08:17,520 --> 01:08:21,319 crime that could be added on to Setiondada is that he would force the girls 990 01:08:21,359 --> 01:08:28,079 to into like sex parties with like local police officers, politician like yeah, 991 01:08:28,159 --> 01:08:30,960 gross as things. So he was s trafficking them. On one occasion, 992 01:08:31,000 --> 01:08:34,920 Karina escaped the house, found a cop car that was driving by and told 993 01:08:35,000 --> 01:08:38,760 them that she had escaped the house or she was being health captive and abused 994 01:08:38,760 --> 01:08:41,680 by Setjio. They put her in the car and brought her right back to 995 01:08:41,800 --> 01:08:45,119 him, where she received one of the worst beatings and she ended up in 996 01:08:45,159 --> 01:08:47,800 the hospital. That's how bad it was. Alena and Nanez herself brought in 997 01:08:47,880 --> 01:08:55,159 another thirteen year old, Madelina Galderon, because Alene, you know this whole 998 01:08:55,159 --> 01:08:57,680 time, she also was supposed to be a start, She was supposed to 999 01:08:57,720 --> 01:09:01,159 be like another Gloria Trevi, but this wasn't happening. Instead, she was 1000 01:09:01,199 --> 01:09:05,520 forced to become Gloria's backup singer and said he told her like, well, 1001 01:09:05,600 --> 01:09:09,159 you need to find a singer to replace you if you want me to make 1002 01:09:09,199 --> 01:09:13,760 your album. But really this also meant find a replacement for you in my 1003 01:09:14,439 --> 01:09:17,840 cult, disgusting cult. Yeah, and so she did because she wanted her 1004 01:09:17,880 --> 01:09:23,720 album. And so this brings Marilyne Kalderon into the cult, another thirteen year 1005 01:09:23,760 --> 01:09:27,000 old, and Alena's album was released, but it was a flop. It 1006 01:09:27,079 --> 01:09:30,640 was not good, and by this point she was seventeen. She managed to 1007 01:09:30,680 --> 01:09:33,680 escape the cult after this because like none of none of what was supposed to 1008 01:09:33,720 --> 01:09:36,720 happen, the reasons she wasn't during all this shit, like it went to 1009 01:09:36,760 --> 01:09:40,560 shit, Like, yeah, her album was made and it wasn't good. 1010 01:09:40,760 --> 01:09:43,920 The situation was getting worse so she escaped but said he didn't even care. 1011 01:09:44,439 --> 01:09:46,640 She just Alena just left a little note that said I'm not going to tell 1012 01:09:46,680 --> 01:09:50,319 anyone, and she left. And she was seventeen by this point. And 1013 01:09:50,399 --> 01:09:55,520 at this time, Clorida was bringing in so much money because she was I 1014 01:09:55,520 --> 01:09:58,479 mean, she was killing it. Yeah, she she had made three movies. 1015 01:09:59,720 --> 01:10:02,199 She yeah, she was killing it. And her fame made it so 1016 01:10:02,279 --> 01:10:06,560 easy for her to bring victims for him. And even though she was extremely 1017 01:10:06,600 --> 01:10:10,720 famous, her career was taking off. She wasn't allowed to talk to anyone. 1018 01:10:10,840 --> 01:10:13,319 She would do her performances and then just kind of go into hiding. 1019 01:10:13,520 --> 01:10:16,079 People began to notice this that she was just wasn't making any appearances nothing. 1020 01:10:16,399 --> 01:10:20,239 And then around nineteen ninety five, it was like this became even more evident. 1021 01:10:20,439 --> 01:10:26,479 Patticha boy wanted to sign her unto a contract with It was probably the 1022 01:10:26,560 --> 01:10:30,800 Levisa I'm guessing, and like u s and Gloria, well not really Gloria, 1023 01:10:30,800 --> 01:10:35,840 but Seed Conradees just like kept making excuses, kept adding ridiculous like shit 1024 01:10:35,920 --> 01:10:40,520 to the contracts, and this went on her months and then and then he 1025 01:10:40,600 --> 01:10:43,560 went with the opposing network. And this was like Patti was like, what 1026 01:10:43,600 --> 01:10:46,279 the fuck fuck this? So he made like an enemy out of Patticha Boy 1027 01:10:46,359 --> 01:10:50,479 and if anyone ever watched Bintaniando, like, you don't want Patticha Boy as 1028 01:10:50,479 --> 01:10:58,359 an enemy, she will come for your throat, and she did. She 1029 01:10:58,680 --> 01:11:02,640 had, like many others, had heard rumors about what happened going on for 1030 01:11:02,760 --> 01:11:05,239 years now, but nobody really looked into it. And she was like, 1031 01:11:05,239 --> 01:11:09,279 well, I'm gonna look into this. Yeah, So she began digging around 1032 01:11:09,560 --> 01:11:12,880 and this led her to Alene or Alena found her. I'm not sure. 1033 01:11:13,000 --> 01:11:17,600 I think she Elena had reached out to her, okay, And so Alene 1034 01:11:17,960 --> 01:11:24,119 told Patia Boy everything. Pattia Boy began like telling everyone. She began talking 1035 01:11:24,119 --> 01:11:27,960 about it everywhere she could. She was like telling people about this. At 1036 01:11:27,960 --> 01:11:33,680 the same time, Alena Ranez was working on her book like Gloria the Glory 1037 01:11:33,680 --> 01:11:36,640 for Hell and this is like also not a pun, what is it? 1038 01:11:36,720 --> 01:11:40,119 I don't know what the right word is, but like a metaphor. It 1039 01:11:40,159 --> 01:11:43,000 has a name, Yeah, it does, Yeah, because it's a play 1040 01:11:43,000 --> 01:11:45,039 on words for her name. Yeah, basically that's what. Yeah, because 1041 01:11:45,039 --> 01:11:49,000 of Gloriavis's name. Right, there's somebody who's going to be listening to this. 1042 01:11:49,159 --> 01:11:54,479 That's like it's a delay, dummies. Yeah, and then they'll give 1043 01:11:54,479 --> 01:11:56,800 you a one star review for not remembering the name. Yeah. And I'm 1044 01:11:56,800 --> 01:12:00,600 going to say to that, keep it inside, don't let it ruin Christmas 1045 01:12:00,640 --> 01:12:09,159 spirit. Yes. And so so Patti Cha Boy, the rumor or the 1046 01:12:09,279 --> 01:12:14,239 knowledge that Alena was almost done with her book, and Gloria's pin up calendar, 1047 01:12:14,319 --> 01:12:18,039 all these things like merged together because at the same time Serio Andrede released 1048 01:12:18,079 --> 01:12:21,640 Gloria Trevis, her annual pinup calendar. She had one every year. Every 1049 01:12:21,720 --> 01:12:26,760 year was all these like riska poses and costumes and stuff. This year, 1050 01:12:26,760 --> 01:12:30,560 though, for whatever reason, he decided to include pictures of his underage captive 1051 01:12:30,600 --> 01:12:35,479 girls in the calendar, and everyone was disgusted. Also to add on that 1052 01:12:35,720 --> 01:12:41,720 his victims were clearly malnourished. They did it on healthy people could tell, 1053 01:12:41,920 --> 01:12:45,960 Yeah, And so people were disgusted at the calendar. So this just kind 1054 01:12:45,000 --> 01:12:48,680 of like brought the heat that was already around him, like to one thousand 1055 01:12:48,880 --> 01:12:53,800 plus Patti Cha Boy starting to talk about his abuse, and the book was 1056 01:12:53,840 --> 01:12:58,439 about to release like April of the following year. So all these things merging 1057 01:12:58,439 --> 01:13:01,359 together. The accusations were where you could even find clips of Gloria Trevi. 1058 01:13:01,439 --> 01:13:05,039 Did you ever watch the show? Christina did ask that, Yeah, I 1059 01:13:05,119 --> 01:13:11,439 probably didn't. Yeah, that's okay. You can find Gloria Revi defending s 1060 01:13:12,239 --> 01:13:14,600 on the show, Cristina, there's clips of all this time, all this 1061 01:13:14,680 --> 01:13:17,399 happening, all these things together. Said, he was like, we need 1062 01:13:17,439 --> 01:13:21,159 to go, we need to escape. And even though Gloria Trevi was at 1063 01:13:21,159 --> 01:13:28,239 the top of her like fame and success, she went with him. She 1064 01:13:28,439 --> 01:13:30,960 dropped it. Yeah, her career, it was over. Basically, she 1065 01:13:30,960 --> 01:13:34,960 she went with him. They all went into hiding. Nobody knew where they 1066 01:13:35,000 --> 01:13:40,039 went at the time, but they had fled to Spain. And this is 1067 01:13:40,079 --> 01:13:47,680 where we will end part one, which is already like an hour and a 1068 01:13:47,760 --> 01:13:51,119 half long, two hours song. It's just yeah, it's a it's a 1069 01:13:51,159 --> 01:13:54,800 really intricate case. I mean, like there's so many things you could mention, 1070 01:13:54,880 --> 01:14:00,520 you could deepe dive into pretty much everybody's story, you know, yeah, 1071 01:14:00,960 --> 01:14:03,760 every every individual victim you yeah, yeah, And so you know, 1072 01:14:03,840 --> 01:14:09,199 I'm glad you're doing it because I think it's a good good reminder for people 1073 01:14:09,279 --> 01:14:14,479 to recognize that like this abuse can happen again to anyone, and it can 1074 01:14:14,520 --> 01:14:18,279 I mean a global superstar, you know, or a national superstar for Mexico 1075 01:14:18,319 --> 01:14:25,439 at least, like was willing to lose everything for this person, for her 1076 01:14:25,479 --> 01:14:29,439 abuser yea. And then like we said, it's like she also needs to 1077 01:14:29,439 --> 01:14:31,680 be held accountable because that's her point. Later on she became an adult and 1078 01:14:31,720 --> 01:14:36,039 she was also yeah, but she doesn't need to be held more accountable than 1079 01:14:36,119 --> 01:14:41,439 Sergio, which is what people try to do is they try and say but 1080 01:14:41,720 --> 01:14:45,039 her, and it's like, if no Sergio existed, we wouldn't have this 1081 01:14:45,199 --> 01:14:48,920 issue. Mm hm. So you got to start kind of at the source 1082 01:14:49,000 --> 01:14:54,000 of the whole of the whole thing, so exactly. And I also wanted 1083 01:14:54,000 --> 01:14:57,640 to talk about it because now there's like even more we're getting more and more 1084 01:14:58,000 --> 01:15:01,159 snippets of like the abuse and music industry with all the have you seen the 1085 01:15:01,239 --> 01:15:04,840 allegations not I mean they probably did really happen, but against P Diddy, 1086 01:15:05,239 --> 01:15:09,960 Oh yeah? And how I mean this California law, which is so great 1087 01:15:10,000 --> 01:15:13,920 I think for victims and everything that's come out where it's allowing them to do 1088 01:15:14,000 --> 01:15:17,079 this like look back period of being able to take their abusers to court. 1089 01:15:17,119 --> 01:15:21,640 I personally know somebody a fellow podcaster who's doing the same thing to her abuser 1090 01:15:23,560 --> 01:15:27,000 and is able, you know, And I'm so proud of her empowerment of 1091 01:15:27,479 --> 01:15:31,920 feeling the you know, the desire to do what she feels is best for 1092 01:15:31,960 --> 01:15:36,920 her and to bring hopefully justice, you know. But it's still it's it's 1093 01:15:36,920 --> 01:15:41,239 so great I think in some way and then tragic in another way that this 1094 01:15:41,319 --> 01:15:45,000 even had to be a law. Yeah, one hundred percent agree, you 1095 01:15:45,039 --> 01:15:46,800 know, it's it seems like kind of a duh, like you would think 1096 01:15:47,680 --> 01:15:50,880 you should protect victims, but I mean, you see time and time again 1097 01:15:50,920 --> 01:15:55,000 they're not, you know, So not to be a downer, you know, 1098 01:15:55,119 --> 01:15:57,359 but it's still there's still a lot of work to do, and so 1099 01:15:57,640 --> 01:16:03,359 it just I think people need to walk away with the understanding that this started 1100 01:16:03,399 --> 01:16:09,439 with Sergio, yes, you know, and a lot of the people you 1101 01:16:09,479 --> 01:16:13,920 know, Yes, like Gloria did some really atrocious things that she should be 1102 01:16:13,920 --> 01:16:18,840 accountable for, same for every other person who was manipulated by him in some 1103 01:16:18,920 --> 01:16:25,640 capacity, Like you're not absolved of the sin essentially just because you were victimized 1104 01:16:25,680 --> 01:16:30,159 too. So, you know, hopefully, I can't wait to hear part 1105 01:16:30,199 --> 01:16:34,199 two. Yes, yes, and before we go, do you have anything 1106 01:16:34,199 --> 01:16:40,800 to plug my life? Yes, it's it's good. No was kidding? 1107 01:16:41,640 --> 01:16:45,760 Oh yes, I will say that. I really I joined forces with a 1108 01:16:45,880 --> 01:16:49,000 cast and podster and released a new true crime podcast. If you listened to 1109 01:16:49,239 --> 01:16:54,680 Crimes of Passion back in the day, it's kind of similar in the same 1110 01:16:54,760 --> 01:16:59,079 vein, not as focused on relationships or anything like that, but definitely some 1111 01:16:59,079 --> 01:17:04,119 strange and interesting cases. It's called Tracing Darkness and it releases every Thursday. 1112 01:17:04,600 --> 01:17:08,359 And then, of course, you know, we're all collaborating across the board 1113 01:17:08,359 --> 01:17:12,960 from the paranormal side as we go into our holiday breaks and doing feed drop. 1114 01:17:13,079 --> 01:17:16,199 So listeners of my podcast, it's Haunted, What now, we'll hear 1115 01:17:16,359 --> 01:17:23,439 episodes from you our friend Aiden at Susto and then another podcast, one Strange 1116 01:17:23,479 --> 01:17:26,439 Thing, and so you know it's going to have some good fun for the 1117 01:17:26,439 --> 01:17:29,840 holiday season. Thing. We won't leave our listeners hanging, which is always 1118 01:17:29,840 --> 01:17:32,760 a nice little treat that reminds me, have I sent you my episode? 1119 01:17:32,880 --> 01:17:35,920 You have not? Let me do that. Let me do that when we 1120 01:17:36,119 --> 01:17:41,399 hang up here. Okay, okay, she said, okay, okay, 1121 01:17:41,560 --> 01:17:45,760 yes, and yeah, I'm excited for PARTI to have you everyone check out 1122 01:17:45,840 --> 01:17:47,600 Lady's podcast all of her work. It's a lot. I know, it's 1123 01:17:47,600 --> 01:17:53,199 like everyone plug it. Just click the link in my bio. Yeah, 1124 01:17:53,279 --> 01:17:57,920 yeah, ooh, spooky recommendations. I will say, I just watched The 1125 01:17:58,279 --> 01:18:02,039 Exorcist Believer. Oh how is that? I've heard good things. I think 1126 01:18:02,039 --> 01:18:04,800 it's on Peacock now or Max. I can't remember which one. Peacock, 1127 01:18:04,840 --> 01:18:09,119 right, yeah, yeah, Peacock. It's actually not bad. This is 1128 01:18:09,119 --> 01:18:12,159 what I would say. I love the original Exorcist. Like I went to 1129 01:18:12,199 --> 01:18:15,000 the movie theater to watch it. Not the original obviously because I'm not one 1130 01:18:15,079 --> 01:18:21,319 hundred years old, but no shade, but to the one that was like 1131 01:18:21,319 --> 01:18:26,479 the twenty fifth anniversary or whatever, like when and saw that. So like, 1132 01:18:26,560 --> 01:18:30,760 I'm an originalist when it comes to the Exorcist franchise and movies, and 1133 01:18:30,800 --> 01:18:33,880 I thought they did a really good job. I was disappointed with some things, 1134 01:18:33,960 --> 01:18:38,680 but not surprised because it's a remake, you know, or it's a 1135 01:18:38,760 --> 01:18:42,840 it's a new thought on the Exorcist and how it works. But I thought 1136 01:18:42,880 --> 01:18:45,279 it was I thought overall it was good. I would give it to a 1137 01:18:45,359 --> 01:18:49,439 spookies, Okay, like that. It's not bad. Two point five is 1138 01:18:49,439 --> 01:18:53,239 Spookies. You know that's not bad. Yeah, I'll definitely, I'll definitely 1139 01:18:53,239 --> 01:18:56,680 watch it. It's a good Christmas movie, good snuggle, snuggle and cuddle 1140 01:18:56,760 --> 01:19:00,119 movie. You know, put on your Christmas pajamas and your hot cocoa with 1141 01:19:00,199 --> 01:19:05,800 the family. Nothing says nothing says Christmas quite like the Devil, quite like 1142 01:19:05,840 --> 01:19:11,520 Satany. Yeah, well, thank you so much. Yes, thanks for 1143 01:19:11,560 --> 01:19:14,880 having me. And yeah, everyone, I don't know, I don't have 1144 01:19:14,920 --> 01:19:16,800 like a cheesy line to end this on, so just stay a spooky hold 1145 01:19:16,840 --> 01:19:21,960 on, hold on, think of something ghosty like instead of ho ho ho 1146 01:19:23,640 --> 01:19:27,560 go ghost Okay, I'm good, No go, all right, gotta go, 1147 01:19:27,800 --> 01:19:34,800 no say speaky. We'll got everyone next time. Bye. 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