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I, uh, some interesting music
news. Oh, yes, are you

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familiar with this older lady. She
goes by the name Madonna. Madonna,

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she's named she's named after the mother
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but she also Okay, the reason
I make that reference is because I cannot.

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I can't whenever I think of Madonna, of course, I'm talking about

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Madonna, the musical artist. Whenever
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back to, uh when when we
were kids, and church Chat was a

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recurring sketch on Saturday Night Live,
the church lady played by Dana Carvey and

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and the uh the guest one week
was Sean Penn, and Sean Penn at

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that time was married to Madonna,
so that, you know, the church

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lady says something about you're married to
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or something like that. So that's
that's what I what I think of whenever

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I think of Madonna. No,
Madonna, of course, the musician who

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was popular in the nineteen eighties and
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You know, when I think of
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the cones, yes, the cones, the crown. Yes. Well,

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apparently she is being sued. This
is from you know, I like the

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BBC because they don't I don't know. I feel like they do a better

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job than a lot of American media
just in general. But you can find

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this anywhere, of course, if
you just google Madonna. But the BBC

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reporting Madonna sued by fans in New
York over late concert start time. Have

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you ever heard of such a thing? I have not. These these Madonna

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fans revolting. They're very upset that
she started late. Well there's late,

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and then there's holy crap, there's
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well, that's true, and that
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Now, I have to assume that
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a Guns n' Roses concert, because
you don't know when Axel Rose is going

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to finally emerge. Oh, I
think he's gotten better in his old He's

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actually gotten better about gone two hours
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Axel Rose? Oh? There are
stories really yeah. But but but from

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back back in the day, as
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I think he's gotten a lot better
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think he does that now, But
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yeah, he just he'd make he'd
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this is what Now, by the
way, this is not a large scale

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sort of class action lawsuit. It
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singer for being late by more than
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New York. According to court documents, they state, the show is meant

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to start at two thirty Eastern,
which would be I'm sorry, well that

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threw me off. It's written as
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of course eight thirty Eastern time.
It's the BBC. They do things all

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British on all three nights, but
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after twenty two thirty, which would
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The case says they quote would not
have paid for tickets unquote had they

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known it would finish so late.
The BBC has asked Madonna, Live Nation

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and the Barkley Center for comment.
The case, brought by Michael Fellows and

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Jonathan Hadden, states that quote,
many ticket holders who attended concerts on a

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weeknight had to get up early to
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their favorite family responsibilities the next day. Unquote. They're assuing promoter Live Nation

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and venue the Barkley Center for quote
false advertising, negligent misrepresentation, and unfair

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and deceptive trade practices on quote.
Fellows and hadden't attended the show on Wednesday

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thirty. The again, it's the
BBC. Everything's written weird. Let me

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December thirteenth. I'll just give you
the date. Well, the way this

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is written, it literally says Wednesday
English. Right, Well, it may

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be the Queen's English, but you
know, listen, can can I just

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say this? Here in America,
we speak American. That's it. We

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speak American. So this is difficult
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This is why. Let me also
just add this, okay, this is

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a perfect example of why we thought
the Revolutionary War. We don't usually we

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don't get political on this show anymore, but I just want to throw that

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in. This is why because because
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this is written they attended the show
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That's how it's written. That's how
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by the way, is in Wednesday
thirteen a band on the right. So

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that's confusing. To me, Yes, they do the wrong date. Yes,

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yes. The legal documents note that
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fourteen and sixteen December, that's how
it's written, also reportedly started more than

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two hours late. The document says, quote defendants failed to provide any notice

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to the ticket holders that the concerts
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printed on that ticket and as advertised, which resulted in the ticket holders waiting

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for hours unquote. The court papers
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of arriving and starting her concerts late, sometimes several hours late. Unquote.

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I didn't know that. So she's
just like Axelros, citing examples including quote

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her twenty sixteen Rebel Heart Tour,
her twenty nineteen twenty twenty Madam X tour,

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and prior tours where Madonna continueuously started
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Quote. This is a problem.
This is a she's she's an habitual offender.

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Looking to our British brothers and sisters, they're reporting in the I have

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no guid I just own them.
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the dates. Oh so that's stupp
The Guardian is reporting that this is not

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the first time she's actually been sued
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twenty nine and twenty twenty, she
was sued by concert goes who felt scorned

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by her lack of punctuality. Well
score, yeah, I'll love the British

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writing. Well, I mean it
is uh, it is rude. It's

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rude. Well, you know,
in all fainness it is. I mean,

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if you're if you're expecting to get
out of a concert at like ten

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eleven o'clock at night, when the
trains are still running and the buses is

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still running or whatever, and you're
gonna get home whatever, you know,

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But if you're getting out at one
o'clock in the morning and these same services

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are no longer available in the overnight
hours, which is what some of these

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people are talking about, people who
got like kind of trapped to figure out

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on how to act to get home. M hm oh yeah, yeah.

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reason. That's a huge issue.
I mean, it's not like it's something

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bad, like if you've got an
accident or plane got late, something that's

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beyond our control, understandable. But
if it's just because you feel like it,

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are you know, you're that diva. No, not just on your

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side, I'm on their side.
Yeah. Any any metropolitan area where you're

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depending on public transportation, Yeah,
that's going to cause a real problem for

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you, if you know. I
mean, it's it hasn't happened to me,

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but I've known people, you know, who go to shows in Boston

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that for some reason run ridiculously late, and then they you know, and

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then they have trouble getting getting on
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also, if you're a parent,
this is your your night out. You've

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got to You've got a babysitter at
home who's got school the next day,

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expected to be home at eleven o'clock
at night, I'm less, and they're

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not getting out of the venue until
one am. Yeah, I'm a little

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less sympathetic to that argument, only
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I mean, the transportation issue is
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you kind of I mean, it
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that if you're going to a concert, you're you're gonna you're gonna be late.

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You just don't expect to be,
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be so late that you can't get
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against the parents. No, I'm
not against it. I just said I'm

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less sympathetic to that argue you have
any You see, you don't have any

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idea how hard it is as a
parent. I don't to get time off,

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to get tickets, to get a
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whatever it is, get all of
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those couple of hours out. Well, most people, when they hire babysitters,

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there are other kiddos who got to
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you can't be said them home at
two three o'clock in the morning. Well,

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this is amazing time to get home. This is the entire reason why

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I never wanted to start a family, why I have no children of my

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own, and I decided at a
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interest in being a father, specifically
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from this is something I understood about
myself from a young age. If I

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ever wanted to attend a Madonna or
a Guns n' Roses concert, the children

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were just going to drag me down, because then I'd have to be worried

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about, you know, the babysitter
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you know what, I just can't
have kids. What was that?

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Did you What was that sound?
Did you hear that? It sounded like

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a train horn, a trap?
It actually did, Yeah, maybe it

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was. We are on a street
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Well, that's exciting. We have
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and you know what, we can
see stuff, but the people outside can't

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see you, so you can make
like silly faces and they won't see you.

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Says here. The plaintiffs are suing
for unspecified damages. This is not

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the first time fans have expected I'm
sorry, I've objected to the singer being

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late for her shows, and in
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delay for a US show, but
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according to ABC News. In the
same year, Madonna had shared a

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post of her live on stage in
which she told fans quote, there's something

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you all need to understand, and
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unquote. Oh my, So that's
such a so when she graces us with

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her presence in her own time because
she's the Queen. Thanks Madonna's sold out

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qu tonight myself. I can be
laid everywhere now. Her sold out Celebration

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tour was a Greatest Hits show,
including more than forty songs from her career

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to celebrate the fortieth anniversary of her
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US, Canada, and Europe.
The singer had a health scare. I'd

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forgotten about this. She had a
health scare last summer after she was found

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unconscious in her New York apartment in
June and rushed to the hospital, where

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she received treatment for a serious bacterial
infection. She later said she was lucky

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to be alive and postpone the start
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year. See, now that's different. That's way beyond her control. Sure,

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you know, don't die. We
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That is beyond her control. But
to simply be late, offer no

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explanation anything like that. Yeah,
you just screwed up a whole bunch of

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people. I mean, how many
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You know what I mean? And
it's a week night, See it's a

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week night. Really kicks me because
it really messes up everybody. Uh huh.

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But this is a good example too
of why and this is advice that

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no one will probably take, but
you should if you're gonna buy tickets to

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to a show. And there's another
reason why I say this, you should

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always before you buy those tickets,
no matter how excited you are, just

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do some quick light research so you
know exactly what you're getting into. There's

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an element of buyer beware to this, and I'll tell you what I mean

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by that. So somebody like,
see, I didn't know this about Madonna.

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I just knew it about guns and
Roses because of Axel Rose. But

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you know, but I've also never
been interested in seeing Madonna live, so

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uh, but you know, you
want to know. You kind of want

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to know what you're getting into because
if it's if it's an artist who is

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notorious for being late, you you
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problem for you potentially, like if
you have kids and you know you've you've

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got a babysitter and you've got to
be home at a certain time, you

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know you're you're gonna want to know
that before you buy those tickets. Especially

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I assume she's charging outrageous sums of
money, because all major artists do.

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But the other reason I I there's
an unrelated reason that I always say this

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to people too, that has nothing
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lot of if you're seeing you especially
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you know, rock bands, eighties
rock bands, and and I suppose at

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this point some nineties bands as well. You know, if you're going to

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see a band and you're someone who
is concerned about who's knowing who's actually in

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the band, for example, or
you know, are they are, how,

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how are how are they doing on
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Or are they stumbling out there addled
with drugs and alcohol or whatever? It's

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it's worth well, but it's now
is their issue back then? If you

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go back then, sure, so
if you were going to that concert,

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you knew, you knew what to
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they're all pretty clean, I think, but much to not be. Yeah,

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you get to a point where you
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But but the reason I say this
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and some people get upset and they
don't realize what they're getting into. So

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I'll just give you an example.
If you say Foreigner, this is a

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perfect example. Say Foreigner is touring. If you're someone who's particularly concerned about

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who's actually going to be on stage. There's so many examples of this,

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but Foreigner is a great example.
If you're someone who's concerned about who's actually

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going to be on stage when you
go to see them, Is it going

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to be any semblance of the original
lineup, the one you grew up with,

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the one that you love. Is
Lou Graham going to be singing?

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Spoiler alert? He is not Kelly
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even in the band. You know
you're going to want to do some it'll

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take you two minutes. Just do
some quick light research before you buy those

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tickets. If you're someone who is
concerned about that. Now, the average

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consumer I don't think cares. But
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go to see Foreigner, there's nobody
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an original member at this point.
Even what's his name? Is it Mick

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Jones? I always get to get
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this. The guitar player. It's
the guitar player's name something Jones is.

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I feel like it's Mick Jones,
but I'm not sure. Anyway, the

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guitar player in Foreigner actually now manages
the band, and he doesn't he doesn't

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even want to be on stage.
The original guitar player. Yeah, yeah,

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he so he's still he's still part
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stage. He runs the band.
He acts as tour manager, but he

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lets but he lets them go out
on stage and form. He doesn't want

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to perform anymore. But right,
but he's still you know, so he's

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still making that money. Interesting thing. A number of years ago, Foreigner

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went on a tour with Cheap Trick, but Cheap Trick's management insisted that the

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guitar player had to actually participate in
a certain percentage of the shows. Oh,

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they wanted at least one original Yeah. Yeah, things like that happen

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when in what was it, two
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when Kiss and Aerosmith did their co
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out every show. Kiss was on
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really co headlining because you know,
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So really Aerosmith was the headliner and
Kiss was the opener. They called

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it a co headlining tour because they're
both. The thing is, so dare

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you say such thing? Well,
the thing is, though, Aerosmith management,

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when they put that deal together,
they had leverage because Aerosmith had all

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five original members, whereas Kiss had
a different guitar player because Ace Frehley had

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left the band again, so they
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they were putting the deal for the
tour together, which Doc McGee, the

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manager of Kiss who's still the manager
of Kiss today, he really wanted that

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tour. He really wanted that tour, so he agreed. You know,

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okay, so Kiss will open all
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headliner. They're going to play the
same amount of time, but Kiss is

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going to open every night because Aerosmith
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only had three of the four original
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But I'm just saying if you're someone
who because you know, every once in

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a while, I'll see people online, Oh I went to see such and

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such band, and I didn't even
recognize anybody on the stage. Check it

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out first, do some light research
there are there have been instances where this

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is something I'd have to do a
little deeper research to really get into the

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subject in depth, but we'll do
it on a future show because it is

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a fascinating subject. I think there
was a point where remember the band La

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Guns. Yes, the Ballad of
Jane was like their big massive hits,

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but they had a few other hits. Oh that's right, Edgewise open for

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La Guns right right right over there, right right, because we're on Canal

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Street now, so right across the
street a jewel, that's right. I

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forgot about that. There was a
point where there were two versions of La

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Guns touring at the same time,
one with Tracy Guns and one other version

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with I think the singer. And
it was yeah and and of course oh

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that's crazy. Yeah, you know
now he is. You have to be

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a deep fan to know which concert
to go to or like, whose side

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are you on? That's why I
tell everybody if it matters to you,

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if it matters to you, and
like to you know, to the average

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no clue to the average concert goer
who just likes going to a concert.

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They probably don't even care. And
that's what the industry depends on. That's

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what these these bands who do this, that's what they depend on. You

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don't care who's in the band,
so it doesn't matter, and everybody's replaceable.

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But if you do care, do
the research. And to kind of

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circle back to the Madonna thing again, you know it's going to be the

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real Madonna, unless it's an AI
version of Madonna or something. But do

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the research. If you're concerned about
what time you're going to be getting out

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of that venue, do the research. I don't think it's going to be

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too far that we're not look at
it, look at it? Is that

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AI? Is that not AI?
I mean, isn't Kiss supposed to be

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setting up something like that? The
avatars? Yeah, that's all it's basically

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it's AI. Yeah. So yeah, we may welcome to the twenty second

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century twenty first No, not yet, okay, No, I have to

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say though I love living in my
Jessine world. I really do remember your

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kid, You've watched that stuff.
Now now we have it, Come on

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yet, all right? I don't
have my car in a suitcase yet.

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I'll give you that. I'll give
you that, but I do have the

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screen come up and somebody there and
we can. Yeah, but I don't

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know why. I mean, I
don't know how this lawsuit is going to

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end up. But I assume,
you know, just uh, just refund

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their money, right, something you
would think would do that. Hopefully,

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nothing really, really bad happened because
of this. There's a huge difference between

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getting out of a venue around eleven
o'clock and getting out at one am.

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There really is a big difference between
them. Yeah, and I don't blame

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people for being upset if there was
no good reason given. It doesn't sound

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like they give any reason. Well
it it's something happened. In her defense,

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I mean, she had that post
from a while ago when she said,

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you know, she's the queen.
Yeah, that's not good enough.

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She's never late. Yeah, No, that's Queen Latita shows up on time

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and she is the queen of course. Yeah. Yeah, No, No,

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I don't. I don't think that's
good enough. No. I think

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you owe your fans something when they're
gonna come spend all that money to come

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see you and spend money on all
your merch. I wonder if she sings

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live? Can you imagine standing?
Well? For me, it would never

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happen. I could have never if
you had seats that were a ground level.

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Everybody's standing or your no seat.
What if you're on the floor,

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there's no seat, you're standing there, and you're spending over two hours on

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your feet before you even get to
see a show. No better be a

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good show. I couldn't do that. I would have to leave. Do

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you think she sings live or does
she lip sing? Of course I wouldn't

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be her non seated because she probably
still dances around, right, she probably

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can't sing live anymore? Does her
face even move? Have you have you

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seen her? It's awful. Have
you seen how strange she looks. I'm

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just saying because she's she's had all
that. I mean, she looks weird.

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A lot of she looks very strange. A lot of people seem to

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enjoy plastic surgery in a way that
it's psychologically addictive. Yes, I believe

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that. Yeah, oh yeah,
no, it definitely is. Yeah.

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Then you're staring at yourself, always
looking for flaws. I hate that.

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I hate that it makes people do
that. I suspect what happens is beautiful

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people have they get the plastic surgery, and then they're they're not happy with

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the result, and they probably it
becomes like you know how if you know

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how with if you're addicted to uh
well, addicted to anything, if you're

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addicted to drugs, and you get
into that, okay, just one more

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fix, just one more fix.
Or if you're addicted to video games,

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you know, just one more game, just one more game, and then

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I'm gonna put down this controller.
I think I think it's the same thing.

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It's probably the same thing with plastic
surgery. You get plastics and then

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you thought it was going to make
you look so much younger and it doesn't,

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and then you go, all right, I'm just going to get one

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more surgery, just one more surgery
to just this yeah, just that,

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yeah, and then you end up
like and then you end up like Kenny

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Rodgers. Like remember like in the
last ten years that he was still alive,

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he looked like a different person,
like he had a different face,

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because you know, he just kept
getting plastic surgery. And it can be

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pretty addictive to people, you know, but I'll never shame somebody for doing

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it. But you know me personally. I love imperfection. I think imperfection

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is the most beautiful thing in art
everything I like. When I make scarves

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and things, there's always something maybe
a stitch got dropped and I pulled it

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back up, or one's a little
tighter than the other. That's part of

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what makes it special and unique,
is that each one has its own and

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that's what I like about art.
I don't want it to be. If

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I want something perfect computerized, well
that I can go to a computer.

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But if I want something that's human, that has passion in it, or

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emotion or feeling, whatever it is
that I'm looking at, I want those

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imperfections. It's what makes them beautiful.
