It's been great to have our next guest. He is a best selling author,
New York Times best selling author. We had him on the program for
a previous book that he had written. He's great historian and it's a pleasure
once again to have Tom Clayven on the Nightcap. Tom. The new book
is the Last Outlaws, the desperate final Days of the Dalton Gang, and
it's great to have you on the show again. Well, thank you for
having me back. I appreciate it, you bet you. What was the
previous book, follow Me to Hell? Or what was follow Me to Hell?
Was the story about the Leanna McNelly and the Texas Rangers. Yes,
great stuff too and another fantas Yep, we thank you. We certainly did
this book. It's about the kind of like the coup de de gras on
the Wild West Bank robbers of the nineteenth century before of the Dulton Gang.
You know, we had obviously characters like Billy the Kid Henry McCarty who died
in eighteen eighty one. We had Jesse James who died a year later in
eighteen eighty two in Saint Joe, Missouri. In famous fashion, we had
the gunfight at the ok Corral also in eighteen eighty one. But the Dalton
Gang met their waterloo in October fifth. On October fifth of eighteen ninety two,
in these brazen bank robberies in a place called Coffeeville, Kansas. So
if you would, Tom, let's first, what I want to what I
want to to ask you is what separated the Dalton Gang other than like ten
years before they finally really met their demise. What separated them from the likes
of a Billy the Kid or a Jesse James. Well, the frontier is
closing up, you know, the bound what was called the west of the
Frontier kept moving west until it bumped up against California. So what you had
iss more towns were becoming settled. There was less wild than the wild West.
They were also, you know, the law enforcement was changing in this
country, at least in the West, where you had a set of part
time, no trained sheriffs and deputy sheriffs and deputy marshals. He had people
that were hired to be full time professional lawmen. And that plus the communications
system was changing. You know, if you rob a bank in one town,
they're going to telegraph the sheriff in the next town. Is going to
put a possea together within a few minutes. It's not like you could rob
a bank in one town. You had maybe hours to get free. So
the odds against Robert gangs, whether it was banks or trains, like the
Dawson brothers were coming. By the time they came along, they were really
like it goes to the Wild West past. It's amazing that they terrorized and
were as successful as they were for a few years. It's interesting to talk
about how in the Wild West in this transitional period, the sheriff or the
lawman and each town started to be a professional. It became a profession.
It wasn't just like you see in the movies and said, we need a
sheriff and they pin a badge on somebody who's you know, a grosser,
and then this guy is supposed to deal with all of these mongrels coming off
of the planes or off of the desert, and yeah, that's neat.
That's what was happening. Yeah, that's what was happening. After the Civil
War and into the eighteen seventies into the early eighteen eighties, where most and
many many of the frontier towns, the whoever had the badge on without gunned
and out manned. And so these gangs were allowed to thrive for quite a
while. But when that started to change, I mean, people wanted on
the frontier, wanting to build churches and schools and businesses and have families,
and they needed that kind of protection from the west, law abiding citizens of
the area. So they had to put their money, you know, not
a lot of money. Of course, these people are not well paid,
but they had to put their money where they were going to hire somebody and
say, listen, your job is to be the town marshal. I mean
you got on the side. You could be a carpenter or blacks, but
your job is to be the town marshal. And so outlaws started to find
themselves runing up against these people who are dedicated their jobs. Billy the Kid,
for example, talking to Tom Clayven. The book is The Last Outlaws,
The Desperate Final Days of the Dalton Gang. It's out now from the
New York Times bestselling author of Follow Me to Hell. Tom Billy the Kid
was outside of being an outlaw, was also a gorilla. He fought in
the New Mexico Lincoln County War, and he became very very infamous obviously at
a very very early age. He died at twenty one. Jesse James,
it's been it's been written a Jesse. Part of Jesse James motivation for his
outlaw nature, his his you know, his whole criminal life was partly because
he was getting back at Union soldiers for their treatment of Southern sympathizers after the
Civil War. Was the Dalton Gang's motivation was it just greed? Well,
there's two things. One is related to what you just said. They were
related. I think they were second cousins something like that of the Younger Gang
and Cole and James and Bob Younger were a gang after the Civil War that
joined up with the James Gang for to run a couple of robberies and they
ended up especially the Great Northfield, Minnesota raid in eighteen seventy six. They
all got captured and wounded and sent to prison. So there was that stain
on the family name. Like they failed in their big sensational bank lobbing attempt.
The Dalton Gang was going to restore the family names be more professional and
better for a successful outlaws. So there was that. There was also an
event happened which is portrayed early in the book where the oldest of the brothers,
Frank Dalton, actually was trying to set an example for younger brothers but
becoming a debt of the US Marshall. He was a very very good one
for several years, and then while making an arrest he got violently shot to
death making an arrest, and ironic that had set the wrong example then,
because the juger brothers was saying, listen, why should we try and be
poorly paid Deputy Marshall's ended up in a grave at an early age when we
could be on the other side of the law with our guns to take the
money and be more successful that way. So it's sad to say, but
Frank Dalton, by getting killed, set the wrong path with his brothers.
Wow. So this book deals with this, this just unbelievable attempt to rob
two banks at one time in Coffeeville, Kansas, October fifth, eighteen ninety
two. And as you mentioned, by this time a lot of the West
was connected by telegraph. I mean, I guess from whatever was a state
in this country had had some kind of connection, so they they knew descriptions
of these guys in the Dalton Gang they I mean the local townspeople did.
They knew what they did. They knew their mL was. So when the
townspeople see this transpiring in front of them, I mean they kind of they
kind of walked into a trap, didn't they. Well, they did.
They thought, you know, the Daltons knew that Bob Dalton was one of
the brains of the bunch, which is not saying a lot, but he
knew that in Coffeeville was in the southeast portion of Kansas, was a very
peaceful town, had been for a long time. The people didn't carry guns.
Even the town marshalls didn't carry a gun. The two banks are right
across the street from each other, so he thought they were going to waltz
in. They talked about it's kind of funny, but they put on these
fake mustaches and mutton chops sideburns, thinking that it was going to disguise if
anybody even knew them in Coffeeville. So they walked in. They figured they
would hit the two banks simultaneously and be able to just ride back out because
nobodyn't have any guns. And one of the things they forgot is that,
you know, people, They thought the citizens would be too scared to do
anything about it was the exact opposite place. It's important to remember at this
particular time that there was no fdi C. If you lost your money,
your bank was robbed, and your bank lost money, you lost a lot
of money. Yeah, your money was gone. And so when people started
to look and notice, they looked in the bank windows, they could see
a couple of men in there with winchesters, and they started calling out,
the bank is being abouted to. They said, the dolphins are robbing the
bank. Now they weren't exactly sure the dolls are robbing the bank, but
by that time in their career, every bank they got robbed. The dolphins
are robbing the bank. You know, they have to be in like four
different towns at the same time. There's so many bank robberies blamed on the
dolphins. So even though they personally did not carry guns, the hardware stores
did. So these but a dozens these citizens ran into the hardware store started
grabbing rifles, pistols, shot guns off the shelves, off the racks,
and they came out and started setting up these barricades, so that when the
dolphins were coming out of the bank, all of a sudden, Oh,
gunfire burst forth. The hail of bullets were hitting the banks, and they
had to retreat back in and say, what the heck just happened? What's
out there? Who's out there? And it was the citizens of Coffee Olver
used to be robbed. There was a certain amount of romance associated with this
too, not if your money was being stolen. But wasn't there an element
of the American population that kind of looked up to some of these criminals in
the Old West? You know? Yeah, I think there was another thing
that was starting to change by the eighteen nineties. I mean, in the
eighteen seventies and eighties, he had these dime store novels that were portraying certain
heroes as heroic, you know, wild built Hickock and Buffalo Bill Cody and
people like that, but also some of the outlaws heroes. Their editorials that
lauded the James Brothers, for example, from being Robinhoods that were Robbins and
the rich and giving to the poor. I mean they robbed in the rich
and give to the poor. And so that had been like a romance of
the outlaw for a while there, but by the eighteen nineties, you know,
the the remaining outlaws were just not very romantic figures. They were usually
desperate like the Dolphins, that ended up being they were killing people. They
were not robbing for anybody any good purpose. They were stealing trains and they
were impeding. You as it get close to the beginning of the twentieth century,
the American progress in the West, do you think that they may have
influenced the criminals to come, the outlaws to come that were, you know,
had more sophisticated technology, you know, like the criminals during the Great
Depression and during Prohibition that would follow, like Machine Gun Kelly and Baby Face
Nelson. Yeah. What kind of influence did a group like the Dalton Gang
have on them? Well, I don't think there was a direct influence because
there's two logic gap in years between when the Dolphins and their demise in Coffeeville
and people came up in the Prohibition years of the nineteen twenties. But I
think there is what did influence some of these gangs like John Dillinger and Baby
Face Nelson some of those others, is that there's a revival of that kind
of romance of the outlaw. There's one outlaw in the nineteen twenties nineteen thirties.
Excuse me, who got a good reputation for being a bank robber because
he always refused to say the mortgage money that was in the bank to those
people had their mortgage money still there to pay off. Their were their homes
and their land. So there was a little bit of that romantic notion to
it. But of course things had changed so dramatically at firepower and communications,
and you could probably say in cruelty there was in these gangsters in nineteen thirties.
They were really no standards at all. Well, I mean, so
did the Dalton gang ham standards of who they would shoot and who they would
not. Yeah, they really did try to not shoot anybody. They they
would of course brandish guns unless they were robbing a train or a bank,
they would display their gun and sometimes they would fire shots in the air.
They weren't necessarily violent men. They you know coffee. That was really when
everything changed when they it was such a massive shootout that they had to try
and save their own lives by shooting everything and everybody they could. It was
quite the sam tech and pole like finished that that cost of their battle.
But they otherwise when they were robbing, they they were kind of aware that
they were people in the air who could they were connected two by family or
friends, so they didn't. They really tried not to gun people down.
They tried to rob two banks in broad daylight, and the townspeople recognized who
they were, and four out of the five lay dead when it was all
When the shooting was all done, grat Bob, Who are the ones who
were killed? Who was a remaining living member of the Dalton Gang? If
you can divulge that, Tom, Yeah, I want to, because Emmitt
Dalton, who was the youngest, survived even though he'd been shot twenty three
times the four Dolphinbers of the Adulton Gang. He was the only one to
survive and barely. And his story is fascinating because he was born in eighteen
seventy one. The prologue of the book begins in a nineteen thirty one They
talked about sixty years later when he's visiting his brother's graves in the Cargo cemetery.
Emmett did time in prison. It's fourteen plus years in prison, then
came out and it's kind of interesting he got to do a different kind of
bandit why he became a real estate speculator, movie producer. How about that.
I'm excited. I'm excited to read the rest of the book. Tom
Claven, the author the book The Last Outlaws, The Final Desperate, The
Desperate, Final Days of the Dalton Gang Man. I love history. So
uh, you got anything on the radar for for what's what's next? Tom?
Yes, As you probably know, I do books with my friend Bob
Drury. We did a book a couple of years ago called Blood and Treasure
about Daniel Boone, and we have a book coming out next spring that's called
h th Throne of Grace, and it's about Jedediah Smith, who with a
great explorer. He was like the writer king right after Lewis and Clark.
And he now only went back and forth across the country once like they did.
He went three times back and forth. A lot of adventures, grizzly
bears, mountain and all kinds of stuff like that. Throne of Grace.
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wild on the show. So wild Man, I'm just going to start the
conversation. By the way, good to have you on again. How are
you always always Gary? Anytime? Anytime? All right, I'm going to
start to give you and some Biggles fans some some news that they probably won't
like to hear. The season is officially over. What are your comments to
that? Are you throw you throw the towel? Well? I threw in
the towel a few years ago when I became a Kansas City Chiefs fan.
I still root for the Bengals, mind you, I still root for them
because my wife's a huge hooday. But and I was just shocked that the
defense didn't show up, understanding of course that the absence of Sam Hubbard was
a big, big part of the recent CJ. Stroud and the Texans just
ran and passed all over the Bengals yesterday. But now with the news that
Hendrickson is out for at least a couple of weeks and the Baltimore Ravens loom
on Thursday night at the Stadium in Baltimore after a quick turnaround. As far
as the Bengals aspirations to one win the division, to dvance far into the
playoffs, or even make the playoffs, if they're five and five after Thursday
night, I think it's done, don't you. Well, I'm not thinking
that. I'm not thinking that way. I'm thinking they still have a shot
at the playoffs. If you look into division, They're only a game and
a half back of Baltimore. Baltimore has got the you know, the short
turnaround too, I mean, and they lost to Cleveland, so obviously there's
some holes there that hopefully Zach Taylor can his offensive coordinator Callahan can take advantage
of. Sure, the loss of Anderson hurts big time. Hubbard, I
hopefully will be back. I'd like to know where Miles Murphy is their number
one draft choice, so they brought in I mean, does he even get
on the field. I mean, we haven't seen this guy at all,
but yesterday Gary, Yeah, the pass rush was putrid. I think they
only sacked C. J. Stroud one time. Joe Burrow. The offensive
line they gave up like five sacks or four sacks on Joe plus forced him
out. I don't know how many times. I mean it was. You
know, that loss yesterday was a total team loss, starting with Zach Taylor
all the way down. All that was a total team loss. And anybody
that you know is gonna run around and moan and groan about Tyler Boyd.
You know that happens. You know, there's a lot of other factors in
that game that led to that loss. Well he did. He did drop
three very catchuble balls in that game, including what would have been a possible
game winning touchdown there in the fourth quarter. But it's you're right, it's
not just Tyler Boyd. I did think though, with that performance with T
Higgins not being there, I mean, if Tyler Boyd ever wants to be
a first a first line receiver, a number one guy, you know that.
And there were there are a lot of people before the season and and
before this season last season saying you know, Tyler Boyd, he's a number
one receiver in any other team, you know, without Jamar Chase or T
Higgins. And that may have been the case. But if he ever wants
to be a number one receiver, be considered in that realm. You don't
drop passes like that, wild Man. Oh, boy, I tell you.
You can't put in the loss on him. Yeah, the drops,
the drops you can't. You can't deny. You know, Tyler Boyd,
if you go back and look at his career with the Bengals, he's had
a very good career with the Bengals. He's he's normally sure handed and don't
bring up the pass. And he dropped in the Super Bowl, which I
still kind of Oh, I still remember that. But you know, let's
not just focus on Tyler boy Let's focus on they couldn't stop the run Delvin
Singletary. I could tackle that guy and he ran for one hundred and fifty
yards. You could hundred and fifty yards, wild Man. You could tackle
him before or after you had breakfast before well, and they gave him one
hundred and seventy yards. Took a rookie wide receiver CJ. Stroud CJ.
Stroud Gary Jeff might be the first Ohio State quarterback in history to finally have
a successful career in the National Football League because Ohio States track record of sending
quarterbacks to the NFL is one of the worst. I understand. You know,
Archleister made some money, but it wasn't in the NFL, and then
he went to prison. So no. CJ. Stroud though, coming into
this game, had only thrown one interception in one hundred and eighty six attempts.
That came against the New Orleans Saints, so he did throw another one
yesterday against the Bengals secondary that they live on interceptions, and uh they they
have shown a lot of life. I would not blame the secondary for yesterday's
loss either. I think you were more accurate when you said it was a
total team loss, starting with the starting with the head coach. I didn't
think that there were there were a couple of times that that Joe just hung
under the ball too much, you know, And and the interception that the
first interception Burrow had that was just a bad decision by a good quarterback,
don't you think, Uh yeah, well even the second one, he's trying
to make something out of nothing, you know, and and I think I
think he probably learned a lesson there. And that happens doll quarterbacks. I
mean, you remember Brett Park how the how he would run out of the
pocket, you know, and try to pass the ball a lot of times
he would complete something there. How do they do that? But he also
is the all time lead leader in interceptions and we don't want that out of
Joe Burrow. And it's but it was a it's a total team, total
team effort. I mean was where was the running game yesterday? Don't blame
Joe Mixon. Where are the holes? Where are the holes or Joe Mixon
to run? My god? Yeah, the holes were We're there for the
Houston Texans to exploit. I mean they were on the line and there were
no holes. You're right, there were no seams, there were no opportunities
for anybody that's listed as a Bengals running back to go. Burrow did use
his feet again to pick up a first down. I mean that was encouraging.
We know that Joe is healthy again, uh and we've known that for
a couple of games and he showed it again yesterday. But you're right,
the lack of protection for Joe Burrow and to open up lanes for that running
game. Were glaring yesterday. If there's a silver lining to the loss,
if there's a silver lining, and leading into the game against Baltimore on Thursday
night, they know Baltimore. Baltimore knows the Bengals. They remember the loss
to Baltimore early in the season. So if they can, if they can
contain Lamar Jackson, don't let him out there running around like a crazy man.
If they can contain him, because he's not that good of a passer,
you know, he's more dangerous with his feet. So they know what
Baltimore likes to do. And this could be a slobber knocker of a game.
It really could be. I mean, they've got a decent running game
and that Edwards kid. But the Bengals know the Baltimore Ravens and they always
seem to play, you know, play him tough, play him to the
end. And I like the Bengals chances because they know what's on the line
here now they know. I mean, it's this must win thing we come
up with every other week. I mean, it was a must win member
against Seattle, and they rose to the occasion. Now this is on the
road, but the Bengals have played well on the road in the regime of
Taylor. Just want to dend him to that wild man and that is that.
Didn't they know after the last four games who CJ. Stroud was?
And you're right, an incredible impressive rookie out of Ohio State at the quarterback
position. But I mean the guy threw for like four hundred and seventy yards
last week. Coming into this game, he'd only thrown one interception in one
hundred and eighty six pass attempts. To it, they had film, Yeah,
absolutely, like they knew that they were in They should have known that
they were in for a dog fight against the Texans. So just knowing that
the Baltimore Ravens and who they are is not necessarily a recipe for success.
It's stuff that will help you prepare for that or or you should be prepared
for Baltimore as often as the Bengals see the Ravens being in the division.
But man, I just yesterday was to me, I guess I can understand
how Bengals fan, just general Joe Bingles fan would be going this morning,
just going, Man, it was. We had high hopes but it's over
where I started. The use the Houston Texans for some reason, and if
you look around the NFL, the Houston Texans, for some reason, have
always played the Bengals tough. I mean, I think the Bengals are now
two and four lifetime. I remember going to a Monday night game down there
when the score was like twelve to nine. It was just one of the
worst games ever. For some reason, the Texans played the Bengals well.
And if you look around the league, there are other other teams that do
that too. It's just some teams have their number. And I don't know
why. Well, you mentioned about Stroud. You know, they had the
film on him and they couldn't do anything wild. I tell you what.
The Browns are a team that have the Bengals number. I mean what six
six of the last seven games. Yeah, yeah, yeah, And we
have to play them again this year. Well, they'll be playing here this
time, I understand. And we don't live in Cleveland, we live in
Cincinnati. That's right, next person that throws anything onto the field, point
them out, get them out of here. Really crazy about basketball season,
are you? Oh? Yeah? I love college basketball season. Oh okay,
all right, well, you used to love the NBA, but now
I can't keep track any of the guys because they move around them. They're
moving to team to team, the team to team, the team, the
team. It's crazy. No, I lost my love for the NBA.
Probably sh It's it's been a good twenty years, probably the second that Jordan
was gone for me. Michael Jordan was the Penns ultimate player. Uh.
And I know Lebron all the kudos and the championships and the scoring and everything
else that Lebron James has brought. And now we've got these young players,
but it just doesn't even come close to resembling the game that I remember,
Oh not at all, because they don't play Harley any defense. Everybody's everybody
wants to be a three point shooter. It's just it's crazy. I kind
of lost interest when the Larry Bird and Magic hung it up. And then,
you know, I always loved Michael Jordan, but it's it's hard to
watch the team I watch all the time, or the Golden State Warriors because
I love I love Steph Curry. I like watching him, but then they're
struggling. Right now, Yeah, you can shoot, but every time I
seem like I turn on and watch the Warriors, It's like, well,
who was this guy? What did they get him? Because you know,
where's the other guy? Because they move around like Gypsy's man these days.
Well, I mean with with the transfer portal now in college sports, that's
going to be more and more the case at that at that level, which
I think it just you know, you got to have the freedom if you're
an athlete to play. You've only got four years, maybe five in some
cases with red shirts. You've got to have the freedom that coaches are allowed
after they signed the big contracts and whatever, and then you know, lead
leave leave the players, leave the players high and drive that they recruited,
that they promised that they would be there to help develop them and be their
guy. So, I mean, I understand the transfer portal, and I
understand being able to transfer without having to take a year off or anything else
that those things that used to be in place. That was a long time
coming. Yeah. Absolutely. How do you feel about the UH about the
payment of so called student athletes? Well, I'm home in favor of that
because look how many millions of dollars they're bringing in. Sure they get the
scholarship. Look how many millions of dollars they're bringing in, especially if there's
some big name recruit coming in there. So they should be getting something they
shouldn't have to rely on, you know, just eating at the uh eating
at the cafeteria. They need a little money to go out and have,
you know, and live and live their lives sometimes. So I have no
problem, you know, paying them a certain amount of money, but I
think I think it should be you know, across the board, everybody gets
the same they right exactly. I mean, because there are players who nobody
really cares about their image or likeness, you know, or or their name
or their jersey, and they're kind of like, uh, the s O
L in that particular instance. Well, I think that I think this has
been a very productive meeting, and I appreciate you being a part of it.
Well, I was waiting for you last week. He asked me about
what I thought about Joey Vado being paid off and told to go, okay,
okay, you know what I got a few minutes, what do you
think about Joey Vado being paid off? And the Red sayd no, we're
not gonna We're not going to exercise that option. There was two things there.
It was a baseball move and a business move. Baseball move number one,
because I'm gonna go down the line here and some Reds fans are going
to cry and wine and say I'm crazy. Number one, he's forty years
old. Father time, catch us up to everybody. Number two. He
was on the IR twice last year after the All Star break. I think
he only hit one home run. He can't run, he can only play
first base. There you go, and the kids have got to play.
These people are saying, well, you know, he'd be good in the
clubhouse. Were you gonna pay a guy three billion dollars to be good in
the clubhouse and maybe get sixty at bats? I mean, it's the city.
I listen, wild Man, for three million dollars, I'd be great
in the clubhouse, don't hear you would? But the Reds aren't gonna do
that. No, you got to let the kids play. The future is
now. Joey has had a fantastic career, and if he wants to go
to Toronto, you know, good luck there. Good luck there, because
the pictures, you know, won't know him right away. He'll start out
probably hot and then he'll go right back to where he was or he'll get
hurt. He needs us to hang him up and do something else. I
don't like tarnish his career in Toronto and he goes there. I don't know
where he's going to play because they got Vladimir Guerrero playing first BA. Here's
the other thing. Vado will get a statue one day, okay, he
will be in the Reds Hall of Fame, mats and given. Okay,
and they can retire his number. And then hopefully Cooperstown will call. If
Scott Rowland got in and Harold Bains got in, I'm pretty sure Joey Bodo
is going to get in one day down the road. But he's had a
great career. But it's just like you want him to hang on. And
that's what all these people do in this town. Bengo fans read why do
we get this guy? Why can't we sign this guy when their careers are
over? Historically, the prime example of that is Willie Mays in baseball.
Uh oh, I remember that? Yeah, that was sad it was.
And I tell you what else was? I mentioned Michael Jordan when he came
back fat as a player coach with the Washington Wizards, and you know he
still could could put down twenty points a game easy. He's Michael Jordan.
But just watching him unable to jump out of shape, I mean, just
old, just old. It did not take away the six NBA rings.
It did not take away all the scoring laudits and the MVP awards or his
defensive proudest but it just wasn't the same guy. And some guys just got
a noted when when they call it a career. And I saw that video
of Joey and he he was, you know, he was gracious and how
the Reds treated him over the years, and gracious to the fans, and
pretty much I think he kind of read between the lines that he may not
even sign a contract with Toronto and just bow out, Well, there you
go, well wild man, thank you very much. I'm glad you're not
angry anymore. And uh, well, we will make plans to do this
again on another But just let me go back to what I said before,
which is not going to go down well with anybody. You've give it up,
but I haven't given up. So there you go. The Bengals season
with any kind of playoff aspirations for me is done. You're gonna eat those
words Thursday night, Sir. I hope I do. I hope I do.
For my wife, that crow, that crow without salt will taste so
good. My wife is a huge two Day fan, like I mentioned,
and you know that's why I watch intently and I'm rooting with her every week
for the Bengals. But I just think it's over until Thursday night. All
right, wild Man, thank you very much. See Thursday night. Oh
yeah, Dennis Wildman Walker on the nightcap. As we get ready to put
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