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The shugar it 24 00:02:46,240 --> 00:02:55,159 up, riding out the sugar, riding out. Let's shake it up, 25 00:02:55,319 --> 00:03:07,840 riding out, s chel it up. He was shot in fascidity. Doesen't 26 00:03:08,000 --> 00:03:15,319 man a bit? The great sat carts drive and blank and calling wildly. 27 00:03:16,120 --> 00:03:23,039 We can't have a banging headskins off. Let's shake it up right now. 28 00:03:24,319 --> 00:03:34,599 Let's shake it up right now. Let's save here right now, let's save 29 00:03:34,719 --> 00:03:43,439 it up, shave it up, wailing at the hope, struck numb by 30 00:03:43,639 --> 00:03:47,639 rules that make no soaks at all. Let's see here last be back now, 31 00:03:50,159 --> 00:03:53,439 let's open up the door. Let's shake it up right now, Let's 32 00:03:53,719 --> 00:04:04,879 utilize the power. Let's shake it up right now. You shake gear up 33 00:04:05,599 --> 00:04:14,120 right now, the shake her up right now. She just just just shake 34 00:04:14,240 --> 00:04:30,399 it up right now. Sh shave you up right now, shot, shake 35 00:04:31,240 --> 00:04:49,199 right now and say a right now the shame of right now, ship ship 36 00:04:54,199 --> 00:05:13,240 sat st. This is Matt Connorton unleashed and we are alive from the studios 37 00:05:13,279 --> 00:05:17,000 of wm NH ninety five point three FM in glorious Manchester, New Hampshire. 38 00:05:17,360 --> 00:05:21,560 And of course we have entered our third hour New Marrow trace on this Saturday 39 00:05:21,759 --> 00:05:28,160 May fourth, twenty twenty four. Jenny is with us as well, and 40 00:05:28,439 --> 00:05:30,720 we just heard shake it Up by the great Ray Coats, who is with 41 00:05:30,920 --> 00:05:34,079 us via Skype all the way from the UK. Ray Are you there, 42 00:05:34,800 --> 00:05:40,040 I am hey, Hello, Really excited to talk to you today, of 43 00:05:40,120 --> 00:05:44,199 course, Uh, we've got you're here to talk about the soundtrack to Fall 44 00:05:44,279 --> 00:05:47,959 Guy. The soundtrack of John Chatham's life. And by the way, John 45 00:05:48,399 --> 00:05:51,720 very kindly sent me a book, sent me the book. I've not had 46 00:05:51,759 --> 00:05:56,399 a chance to read it yet, but i will as soon as I have 47 00:05:56,560 --> 00:06:00,439 time, because I'm very anxious to. But congratulations on this sound track. 48 00:06:00,399 --> 00:06:03,079 Thank you, Thank you, Matt. When you pick it up, when 49 00:06:03,120 --> 00:06:06,920 you pick up Full Guy, you won't be able to put it down. 50 00:06:08,839 --> 00:06:13,879 It's gripping. It's gripping reading. Yeah, I got that impression from the 51 00:06:13,959 --> 00:06:17,720 last time we had you on. You were talking about John's story and you 52 00:06:17,800 --> 00:06:21,680 know not. I mean, it's a miracle, just based on what you 53 00:06:21,800 --> 00:06:25,720 told us, that he's even been able to survive what he's been through. 54 00:06:25,800 --> 00:06:32,680 It's really remarkable completely And I think another miracle is how John is taking that 55 00:06:32,879 --> 00:06:42,319 experience and channeling it into more for yes himself, but also for others. 56 00:06:42,480 --> 00:06:47,360 And his is one of those great untold stories. And the more I find 57 00:06:47,399 --> 00:06:51,319 out about John, the more I spend time with him. They tried to 58 00:06:51,480 --> 00:06:58,519 silence him in the country that he was shot in. He had to was 59 00:06:58,639 --> 00:07:04,759 forced to sign almost like a secrecy pat swearing that he wouldn't divulge any of 60 00:07:04,839 --> 00:07:09,160 what happened, and nothing happened, and then when he came back to the 61 00:07:09,360 --> 00:07:16,319 UK was met with ultimately apathy because there was a lot of fuss over the 62 00:07:16,399 --> 00:07:20,759 fact he was shot by the Bulgarian mafia and all of the things that ensued 63 00:07:20,879 --> 00:07:27,240 afterwards. But then things went very quiet. So there was an initial buzz 64 00:07:27,519 --> 00:07:34,560 around his experience and then things went very very quiet. So we are we're 65 00:07:34,639 --> 00:07:41,120 making in roads into an incredible life, and John represents all of us in 66 00:07:41,240 --> 00:07:46,360 a way because at some stage in life we all experienced I think where perhaps 67 00:07:46,480 --> 00:07:51,800 people don't know the fullness of the experience that we've had, and that's one 68 00:07:51,839 --> 00:07:57,199 of the fundamental reasons why John is sharing his life through the book, through 69 00:07:57,279 --> 00:08:01,120 the music, and ultimately through a book to film as well. Yeah, 70 00:08:01,160 --> 00:08:05,519 I mean it's certainly relatable in the sense that people can you know, everybody 71 00:08:05,600 --> 00:08:11,040 experiences things that they maybe didn't expect or or you know, challenges. But 72 00:08:11,199 --> 00:08:13,439 I will say, and I think I had said this too the last time 73 00:08:13,480 --> 00:08:18,680 you were with us, that probably very few people have experienced being shot by 74 00:08:18,680 --> 00:08:26,759 the Bulgarian mafia. So most of us, hopefully we'll get through this life, 75 00:08:26,879 --> 00:08:31,360 not haven't experienced that, does John? I mean not that. I'm 76 00:08:31,399 --> 00:08:35,600 sure you don't want to speak for him necessarily, but does he is there 77 00:08:35,679 --> 00:08:41,399 any worry on his part about about putting putting all of this out there the 78 00:08:41,440 --> 00:08:45,600 way that he has through the book and now the soundtrack and everything. I 79 00:08:45,639 --> 00:08:48,279 mean is that, I mean, I assume, after what he's been through, 80 00:08:48,399 --> 00:08:54,519 there's got to be some element of him looking over his shoulder sort of, 81 00:08:54,840 --> 00:08:56,639 perhaps literally, if not, if not metaphorically. But I mean, 82 00:08:56,679 --> 00:09:01,360 does he worry about this day to day? I think in conversations with John, 83 00:09:01,440 --> 00:09:07,519 because I can not speak for him, so I completely get what you 84 00:09:07,600 --> 00:09:11,679 mentioned just a moment ago. But we are so close, We genuinely are. 85 00:09:11,840 --> 00:09:16,759 We're not just spending time writing the songs, which are a very very 86 00:09:16,840 --> 00:09:20,519 deep level as well anyway, but we've spent lots of other time together in 87 00:09:20,679 --> 00:09:26,399 discussion, and there were times in the past where John very much paranoia. 88 00:09:28,559 --> 00:09:35,279 He's a chronic PTSD experiencer. I can't remember the exact figure. I think 89 00:09:35,320 --> 00:09:41,120 it's fifty two or fifty four, and sixty is the top. It's obviously 90 00:09:41,240 --> 00:09:48,240 not a rating you particularly want, but John is still experiencing PTSD to that 91 00:09:48,480 --> 00:09:50,360 cute level. Now it's fifty two or fifty four. I can't remember the 92 00:09:50,440 --> 00:09:56,840 number out of sixty. So it's incredible how he's functioning. But I know 93 00:09:56,759 --> 00:10:01,519 years ago when he began to share what happened to him, that there were 94 00:10:01,639 --> 00:10:09,120 of course grave concerns over this becoming public and others becoming apparent. But one 95 00:10:09,159 --> 00:10:16,360 thing John does beautifully in the book is changes the names. Now it is 96 00:10:16,559 --> 00:10:20,919 such a specific account of his life that in a way, even with doing 97 00:10:22,039 --> 00:10:26,039 that, this is not something that happens on a regular basis, certainly not 98 00:10:26,240 --> 00:10:31,679 that I'm aware of anyway. So it does take courage. It does take 99 00:10:31,759 --> 00:10:37,879 courage and strength. But I think the decision John's made, and to some 100 00:10:37,080 --> 00:10:48,480 extent myself by supporting this life of John's being told, is the passion to 101 00:10:48,679 --> 00:10:56,039 desire to do that is greater than the fear of what could be possibly repercussions. 102 00:10:56,480 --> 00:10:58,440 And it was such a complicated incident. I mean, John shared a 103 00:10:58,480 --> 00:11:03,879 post and he said, at times, we all have those days where we 104 00:11:03,960 --> 00:11:09,440 go to work and unexpected things happen. And he's so tongue in shake the 105 00:11:09,519 --> 00:11:13,519 way he shares what happened to him. He said, because it's not every 106 00:11:13,600 --> 00:11:18,360 day that you go to work and your shop by the Bulgarian mafia, and 107 00:11:18,519 --> 00:11:22,440 he refers to it as an incident. And I've stood next to him when 108 00:11:22,440 --> 00:11:26,000 he's been sharing his life with others, and he said, I was involved 109 00:11:26,039 --> 00:11:31,879 in an incident that took place in Bulgaria. And I stand there with John 110 00:11:31,919 --> 00:11:35,080 and say, John, I think it was a little bit more than an 111 00:11:35,159 --> 00:11:41,639 incident. But that's his way of managing what happens. So in answer to 112 00:11:41,720 --> 00:11:46,960 your initial question, originally, yeah, John had very very great concerns and 113 00:11:48,039 --> 00:11:54,080 he was literally looking over his shoulder. But he's growing beyond that in the 114 00:11:54,200 --> 00:12:01,279 sense of what he's achieving by sharing what others try to silence and is if 115 00:12:01,360 --> 00:12:05,600 nothing else, it's tremendous courage from John to do that. Well, something 116 00:12:05,639 --> 00:12:07,000 that we talk about a lot on the show, and I'm sure we've discussed 117 00:12:07,039 --> 00:12:11,279 it with you and and Uh, but it comes up a lot. It's 118 00:12:11,320 --> 00:12:16,200 a consistent theme and when talking with musicians and creative people generally, is you 119 00:12:16,279 --> 00:12:18,360 know, all the terrible things that happened to us in this life, if 120 00:12:18,399 --> 00:12:22,720 you can take negative things and and UH and do something positive with them. 121 00:12:22,759 --> 00:12:26,840 In fact, we won't go into details, but Jenny just created a new 122 00:12:26,960 --> 00:12:31,919 art piece that's that is a great example of that something negative, you know, 123 00:12:31,080 --> 00:12:37,440 but but doing something creative with it, and and in doing something creative 124 00:12:37,480 --> 00:12:39,720 with it, and and something that is you know, in the case of 125 00:12:39,759 --> 00:12:43,960 what Jenny has done, because she you know, she makes these does these 126 00:12:43,960 --> 00:12:50,000 beautiful paintings, so you know, to to take a negative experience and create 127 00:12:50,120 --> 00:12:54,720 something positive and something that's nice to look at, that's appealing. Uh visually 128 00:12:54,080 --> 00:13:00,519 is I thought you called it disturbing? Yes, well a good way, 129 00:13:00,559 --> 00:13:03,039 but in a good yeah. Yeah, yeah, that's true. Yeah, 130 00:13:03,279 --> 00:13:05,080 it is disturbed. It is a disturbing painting to look at. But but 131 00:13:05,360 --> 00:13:09,320 but but again, but it's it's the positive part is creating art, making 132 00:13:09,679 --> 00:13:15,200 art, making art from trauma, making art from tragedy, making art from 133 00:13:15,720 --> 00:13:18,399 being treated unfairly or whatever it is. If you can make art from it, 134 00:13:18,679 --> 00:13:20,879 you know, and a lot of music comes out of that. Obviously, 135 00:13:22,080 --> 00:13:24,519 a lot of stand up comedy comes from and a lot of the great 136 00:13:24,559 --> 00:13:28,840 comics will tell you, you know, they there it's a way of using 137 00:13:28,919 --> 00:13:33,200 humor and making other people laugh. It's a way of of working through their 138 00:13:33,279 --> 00:13:39,679 pain, you know, whether they're addressing something specific in their act or maybe 139 00:13:39,720 --> 00:13:43,919 their jokes have nothing to do with anything that happened to them, but but 140 00:13:43,039 --> 00:13:50,080 it's still a way of working through it. So uh yeah, Well, 141 00:13:50,200 --> 00:13:56,120 often when I think of comedians, it's it's painful truth, isn't It's painful 142 00:13:56,240 --> 00:14:01,919 truth at times, and that's that's why we laugh, Yeah, because we're 143 00:14:01,000 --> 00:14:05,480 hearing a times painful truth. And when you said to Jenny, Hello, 144 00:14:05,600 --> 00:14:09,519 Jenny, I hope you are well, Yeah, I'm good, thank you, 145 00:14:09,960 --> 00:14:18,200 disturbing, disturbing. And if you think of creating anything, it requires 146 00:14:18,559 --> 00:14:22,039 a bit stirring, a bit stirring, a bit of movement, a bit 147 00:14:22,159 --> 00:14:28,080 of something that creates ripples, if you like. And I think art is 148 00:14:28,159 --> 00:14:33,159 a wonderful version of that music likewise because it's vibrational. But of course those 149 00:14:33,320 --> 00:14:39,480 vibrations at times do come from from pain, from sadness, from trauma. 150 00:14:39,120 --> 00:14:46,320 And then the wonderful thing is, over time they then reform into versions of 151 00:14:46,840 --> 00:14:52,360 the conversion of that experience, but also they can grow into victory as well. 152 00:14:54,519 --> 00:14:58,159 I just recorded something and I shared the message that the steps we take, 153 00:14:58,279 --> 00:15:03,639 the steps we we may not see them as strides, but ultimately the 154 00:15:03,720 --> 00:15:07,279 steps we take are the beginning of the strides. Towards victory. So even 155 00:15:07,320 --> 00:15:16,120 if we're sharing something which within itself could appear to be dark, shadow were 156 00:15:16,200 --> 00:15:22,279 traumatic, that's crucial. That's crucially important because these are not things to be 157 00:15:22,360 --> 00:15:28,080 avoided because they are part of our human experience. And I know at times 158 00:15:28,120 --> 00:15:33,519 in the past I have I've tried to create musical art that not quite but 159 00:15:33,679 --> 00:15:39,240 almost pink and fluffy, and you know, everything's wonderful, but of course 160 00:15:39,320 --> 00:15:45,080 it isn't. So it's just interesting the way you described Gen's art work as 161 00:15:45,159 --> 00:15:50,759 being disturbing, And I think art should disturb us, should disturb us, 162 00:15:50,799 --> 00:15:56,279 and music should disturb us and make us think about things, perhaps at times 163 00:15:56,360 --> 00:16:00,159 that we find challenging to face. And the more we do that, the 164 00:16:00,240 --> 00:16:07,960 better will be. Can you tell us about the process of creating this soundtrack, 165 00:16:07,080 --> 00:16:11,879 because if I remember correctly, so, is it that John came up 166 00:16:11,919 --> 00:16:17,279 with the lyrics and you came up with the music or I mean, I'm 167 00:16:17,279 --> 00:16:19,320 sure it's more complicated than that. But can you kind of take us through 168 00:16:19,360 --> 00:16:26,399 the process of how this works creating this soundtrack pretty much pretty much as you've 169 00:16:26,480 --> 00:16:33,600 described. John is a lyricist, a poet. His website is John cheatumpoetry 170 00:16:34,000 --> 00:16:38,080 dot co dot uk. And that tells you. That tells you fundamentally the 171 00:16:38,960 --> 00:16:45,480 mainstay of John he is a wordsmith. He's a wordsmith. So on occasion 172 00:16:45,600 --> 00:16:48,240 we have sat together, we have sat together. So John has had some 173 00:16:48,399 --> 00:16:56,200 words that perhaps he's originally sent to me, and I've started forming ideas. 174 00:16:56,320 --> 00:17:03,079 I'm very impulsive creatively. I don't sit down and technically think, right, 175 00:17:03,200 --> 00:17:07,279 this is going to have this vibe. I go I'm a lyricist myself, 176 00:17:07,799 --> 00:17:11,319 so I go deep into the words. I go deep into the emotion that's 177 00:17:11,400 --> 00:17:18,480 been conveyed, and then generally my fingers start touching the keyboard and I start 178 00:17:18,599 --> 00:17:22,799 to form a chord structure, notes, and I start playing around until I 179 00:17:23,039 --> 00:17:30,599 feel that some music and melody is representing the emotional energy of the lyrics. 180 00:17:32,039 --> 00:17:36,839 So that's either one less so at the moment, and I think that's probably 181 00:17:36,920 --> 00:17:41,400 because of time more than anything else, that John initially was with me fall 182 00:17:41,440 --> 00:17:47,200 guy. For example, We've got video of me creating a chord progression, 183 00:17:48,039 --> 00:17:53,000 and John had already sent me the lyrics, and he was in the same 184 00:17:53,119 --> 00:17:57,839 room, in the room that I'm speaking to you now. And so a 185 00:17:57,920 --> 00:18:02,119 couple of songs have been for that way, but others have been John sent 186 00:18:02,200 --> 00:18:08,839 me lyrics I might have at times rearranged. I'm not massively digging myself up. 187 00:18:08,920 --> 00:18:15,559 But if a minority report Tom Cruise means anything to you, that's how 188 00:18:15,680 --> 00:18:18,960 I create. It's almost the same where I start. I have this screen, 189 00:18:19,119 --> 00:18:23,440 this visual screen in front of me, idea wise, and then I 190 00:18:23,559 --> 00:18:32,119 start moving words around and a musical form around, and it's a process. 191 00:18:32,359 --> 00:18:37,200 And I know you'll appreciate this as well, Matt, that I haven't got 192 00:18:37,279 --> 00:18:44,559 anywhere close to growing tired of yet. I just love the experience of receiving 193 00:18:45,000 --> 00:18:52,440 and then transmuting and ultimately transmitting. So it's really the lyrics. The lyrics 194 00:18:52,480 --> 00:18:56,799 for me, and particularly in the experience with John, they are They're the 195 00:18:56,839 --> 00:19:02,039 blood. They're the blood really that pumps through the veins of the song. 196 00:19:03,240 --> 00:19:07,960 Has Obviously, as you mentioned, John's a natural lyricist because he's a poet. 197 00:19:08,519 --> 00:19:12,680 Has he always been a poet or is that something that or do You 198 00:19:14,160 --> 00:19:18,640 may not know the answer, but I'm curious if that's something that he got 199 00:19:18,680 --> 00:19:23,759 into after his experience with the Bulgarian mafia, or is that something that he's 200 00:19:23,960 --> 00:19:30,279 always been that he's always had, always been, but not to the degree 201 00:19:30,359 --> 00:19:33,480 that he is now. And I think to some degree it's similar with myself 202 00:19:33,640 --> 00:19:41,599 musically. I've had that for many, many years, for well over forty 203 00:19:41,680 --> 00:19:45,480 years from when I started forming songs, but not to the degree that it's 204 00:19:45,519 --> 00:19:49,759 happened in the last few years. And again, within that experience of John 205 00:19:49,799 --> 00:19:56,680 and myself, there's a message for others, which is it's never too late. 206 00:19:56,720 --> 00:20:03,240 It's never too late to begin to open up more of the reason why 207 00:20:03,359 --> 00:20:07,200 we're here, and creativity in whatever form it is, is such a good 208 00:20:07,240 --> 00:20:11,079 way of doing it. So that's become more so for John definitely in the 209 00:20:11,200 --> 00:20:17,079 last few years. How did the two of you meet and wind up working 210 00:20:17,119 --> 00:20:25,039 together a local radio station in the on the Filed Coast, and John was 211 00:20:25,559 --> 00:20:30,480 associated with the radio station. Of course, I'm a singer songwriter, so 212 00:20:30,640 --> 00:20:36,000 I was creating music and grateful for it to be played, as is always 213 00:20:36,079 --> 00:20:41,279 the case, and we were introduced to each other as a potential possible collaboration, 214 00:20:42,119 --> 00:20:49,279 and we had an original meetup and it's a day I will never forget 215 00:20:49,880 --> 00:20:55,400 because it's one of those moments in the film rocket Man. Rocketman, the 216 00:20:56,680 --> 00:21:03,640 depiction of Elton John and Bernie Taupin. And when the moment happened that Elton 217 00:21:03,720 --> 00:21:11,000 John is handed lyrics that are Bernie Taupin's, It's like a Hallelujah moment in 218 00:21:11,119 --> 00:21:15,359 the film if you've ever seen it. And I genuinely feel that way with 219 00:21:15,519 --> 00:21:22,160 John, that this was an experience that, in some form or another, 220 00:21:22,240 --> 00:21:27,000 which I can't explain and don't understand, was meant to happen because we just 221 00:21:27,119 --> 00:21:37,160 have such an ability together to form and John every single song, every single 222 00:21:37,279 --> 00:21:42,519 song has so many gifts within it lyrically, and the lyrics stand on their 223 00:21:42,559 --> 00:21:48,440 own, and then when you're adding music in they become even more. So. 224 00:21:49,720 --> 00:21:53,440 We've spent time, so we met. Initially, we talked, John 225 00:21:53,519 --> 00:22:00,079 shared his life and I was gobsmacked, as most people. He shows me 226 00:22:00,119 --> 00:22:03,279 he's got a credit card with a picture of him and Pele on it. 227 00:22:04,519 --> 00:22:08,559 And John's that type of person. He'll just bring out his phone. He'll 228 00:22:08,559 --> 00:22:14,200 show you a selfie of him with a famous box. He'll show you a 229 00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:19,200 signed portrait of al Pacino, and he does it in a way that it's 230 00:22:19,319 --> 00:22:22,680 just a matter of fact. Oh look, you know, here's here's a 231 00:22:22,799 --> 00:22:29,440 painting that I received a signed from al Pacino and what so. Yeah, 232 00:22:29,480 --> 00:22:33,559 it's just it's just it's just an incredible person to be around him, and 233 00:22:33,680 --> 00:22:37,480 we do have a good laugh as well. Now, who who else is 234 00:22:37,880 --> 00:22:42,759 on these songs? Because you a lot of it. You do yourself right 235 00:22:42,799 --> 00:22:48,680 in terms of playing the instruments, Yes, keyboard predominantly for me. Okay, 236 00:22:48,319 --> 00:22:52,480 some songs on branching a little bit into bass. Guitar, Mark Walker, 237 00:22:52,880 --> 00:22:59,599 I remember you gave a lovely commendation last time for the for the drum 238 00:22:59,680 --> 00:23:02,920 track. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah on check it up spin 239 00:23:03,039 --> 00:23:08,559 one. So Mark is the sound engineer but also guitarist on all of the 240 00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:15,160 music I currently record. Michelle, Michelle, my partner is on a song 241 00:23:15,559 --> 00:23:19,319 we're not playing today, but cry, which is one of mine and John's 242 00:23:19,400 --> 00:23:25,480 co written songs. A lot of vocalists I'm working with at the moment, 243 00:23:26,559 --> 00:23:32,880 but predominantly musically, it's myself and Mark Walker with the music that's released under 244 00:23:32,960 --> 00:23:36,920 the name Ray Coats. Yeah, I think I remember now making that comment 245 00:23:37,039 --> 00:23:44,599 about because yeah, the drums just sound so good. There's a lot of 246 00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:48,079 music that well, you know, I'm a trained audio engineer and I'm always 247 00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:53,920 complaining about production on you know, not openly, but in my mind, 248 00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:57,680 I'll be listening to music and I'll be thinking, Jesus, if I'd been 249 00:23:57,720 --> 00:24:00,640 in the studio, I would have done it this wear that way in terms 250 00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:03,599 of production. So when I hear when I hear really good drums, I 251 00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:07,920 often say, you know, I'm not a big fan of some of our 252 00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:11,400 listeners. Of course here in the United States will probably relate to what I'm 253 00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:15,640 gonna say, but you know, I often I'm not a big country music 254 00:24:15,759 --> 00:24:19,759 fan. But I have to say in Nashville, they've really got it figured 255 00:24:19,799 --> 00:24:25,599 out in terms of production and the drums. Any modern country song that comes 256 00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:30,039 out of Nashville, the drums sound incredible because they've really figured out how to 257 00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:33,440 how to mix the drums. So that, yeah, that always impresses me. 258 00:24:34,839 --> 00:24:38,119 Now, are you working on as this is going on, and as 259 00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:44,160 you're working on all of this with John with the soundtrack, are you concurrently 260 00:24:44,319 --> 00:24:48,400 produce, producing and creating other music as well? Or because it seems like 261 00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:52,880 you've always got more than one thing going on, right, Well, it's 262 00:24:53,000 --> 00:25:00,559 like I've tried cooking, for example, a roast dinner, and I never 263 00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:04,920 cease it never ceases to amaze me how people can keep all of these things 264 00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:11,000 simmering at the same time and can currently bring a meal to completion, Because 265 00:25:11,039 --> 00:25:15,240 that's not that's not something I've developed the ability to do. But I guess 266 00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:22,279 musically that is what I do because I always feel like I want to have 267 00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:26,960 something simmering in the background, and I think then it creates the opportunity of 268 00:25:27,079 --> 00:25:33,039 the thing that is currently being shared doesn't necessarily have a shelf life. For 269 00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:37,920 example, with John's project, this is this is going to be ongoing and 270 00:25:37,119 --> 00:25:44,559 is going to become part of more. But because I love the creative process, 271 00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:49,720 and because I also realize it's a content volume based experience. And what 272 00:25:49,839 --> 00:25:55,279 I mean by that is the more you create, then the greater chance you 273 00:25:55,519 --> 00:26:03,240 have of certain things becoming a bigger thing. And of course in that process 274 00:26:03,319 --> 00:26:07,839 there are elements of things that you think that was okay, that was all 275 00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:11,640 right. Most of what I've written I'm comfortable with, but some things are 276 00:26:11,759 --> 00:26:17,839 becoming even more. So the answer is yes, at the moment, there's 277 00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:22,839 some incredibly big projects and I can share them here publicly because I feel I 278 00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:27,200 want to. One is with a very very famous eighties band in fact, 279 00:26:27,279 --> 00:26:33,319 actually their tour in the US soon, which is Madness. Madness and myself 280 00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:40,160 and John have actually written a song that we're making a social media project out 281 00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:44,799 of, which is a song called Penguin Island and it's a song that's written 282 00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:48,440 for Madness and basically we're tracking them down. We went all the way to 283 00:26:48,559 --> 00:26:55,920 London from the northwest of the UK to chase Madness and it's beginning to become 284 00:26:56,000 --> 00:27:00,519 a very very lighthearted it's a little bit like a musical version of the stun 285 00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:07,160 Cops and we're chasing this band for them to play the song that we've written 286 00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:11,480 for the Penguin Island. We had a saxophonist in the studio, Lewis, 287 00:27:11,599 --> 00:27:18,880 who is absolutely incredible because Madness very very well known for sax in their song. 288 00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:22,599 So that's one and that's that's going to be approaching soon and we're going 289 00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:30,119 to be sharing video content our purshoot, our pursuit of the group cool And 290 00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:33,880 the other one is Tyson Fury, who I'm sure is well known in America 291 00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:40,599 as well the boxer, yes, and not exclusively but the boxing world and 292 00:27:41,039 --> 00:27:48,759 mental health. So we've written an absolutely stunningly beautiful song which has some amazing 293 00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:56,000 backing vocals on as well, which is likening life to training and the boxing 294 00:27:56,160 --> 00:28:02,799 ring. So the song is called the Ropes of Life, and funny enough, 295 00:28:02,839 --> 00:28:06,000 I've just protected the song this morning so I can share it now. 296 00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:12,039 And basically the idea is that feeling of isolation when the boxer goes into the 297 00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:17,119 ring knowing that they're going to get hurt, knowing that there's going to be 298 00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:22,359 pain involved their training regime, and that basically is the illustration for all of 299 00:28:22,519 --> 00:28:30,000 us because effectively, we show up in life every single day and at times 300 00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:33,359 we know we're going to experience pain, but we still show up. So 301 00:28:34,039 --> 00:28:40,440 this is a real strong song. The cover artwork I've just finished this morning 302 00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:45,359 and it's very, very powerful. And I'm beginning to become more public about 303 00:28:45,559 --> 00:28:48,839 the stuff that's going on on the back burner, so to speak, because 304 00:28:49,839 --> 00:28:57,759 I know this is growing into more and that's why I'm allowing enabling that to 305 00:28:57,880 --> 00:29:02,960 happen. So we've got loads of projects. The today project, I guess 306 00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:07,200 you could say, is, of course John and fall Guy Run for the 307 00:29:07,359 --> 00:29:11,440 Roses, released this weekend, which ties in with the Kentucky Derby as well, 308 00:29:11,519 --> 00:29:19,119 which there is relevance and connection with John's life, the property in Bulgaria, 309 00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:23,799 the land. The American who got John to go there and purchase the 310 00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:29,960 land wanted to turn this land into a race course. Yeah. Yeah, 311 00:29:30,079 --> 00:29:33,839 So there's so many so you now get without jumping ahead as well, the 312 00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:38,240 further song as well on the soundtrack album. So there's real, real deep 313 00:29:38,359 --> 00:29:47,759 meaning and relevance in the world of horse racing. And ye, John's a 314 00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:52,720 magician, a magician with his life and with words. Well, let's since 315 00:29:52,759 --> 00:29:56,240 you mentioned it, now would be a good time to play Run for the 316 00:29:56,359 --> 00:29:59,160 Roses. We'll give this a listen. Next, of course, if you're 317 00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:03,400 just joining us, we have Raycoats skiping in from the UK and we'll give 318 00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:07,079 this a listen. This is of course from the soundtrack of John Cheatham's Life, 319 00:30:07,559 --> 00:30:11,240 and this is called again, this is Raycoats. This is called Run 320 00:30:11,319 --> 00:30:14,839 for the Roses. Let's uh check this out and then we'll we'll talk with 321 00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:33,160 Rays more. I'm gonna run for the Rose. Lying alone in my own 322 00:30:33,319 --> 00:30:41,119 code wa bed it seems I came back from the day. A tourist screeched 323 00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:47,680 to a halt outside it's the green light to go. If they decide if 324 00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:55,880 the best you lin, then I must be sorry for you. It isn't 325 00:30:56,000 --> 00:31:02,640 terrible bed. As I leave you today with you you in my trail, 326 00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:11,240 you can bet on your line. I'm gonna run. Fall on the road 327 00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:21,119 says thing. You can bet on your lie. Running the fall says, 328 00:31:22,039 --> 00:31:27,000 And if you enjoy one time drimp, I play feeling like I was just 329 00:31:27,119 --> 00:31:34,599 in my taking a residence in the bird's home. I found some feet above 330 00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:40,079 the black sea coach. If a bullet is the best that you can do, 331 00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:45,559 then I'm must be a sorry for you. Dad is a terrible old 332 00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:55,839 fan. As I leave you today with you in my trail, you can 333 00:31:56,000 --> 00:32:09,160 bet on your lie. I'm gonna run sas and bad and I running U 334 00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:20,960 sys run aroun, I'm heading bought the coach to jail. Run around, 335 00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:45,119 so you go back home home on my way, You bully, it is 336 00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:50,960 the best that you can do, then I must be sorry for you. 337 00:32:52,599 --> 00:32:59,400 Sell the folks back home home on my way, and the fog is leaving, 338 00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:09,279 said you can man your life. I'm going around here fall the rove 339 00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:19,039 says, you can bet all my life. Running the fall the ro says, 340 00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:30,559 round around and I'm really going up coast today. Run shall go back 341 00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:44,799 home? How all my work I'm doing, he says, men on my 342 00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:53,920 life, I'm going to run, says Shell. The folks back home, 343 00:33:55,839 --> 00:34:06,880 the full guys leaving to do that has run for the Roses. That is 344 00:34:07,319 --> 00:34:12,239 Raycoats from Fall Guy, the soundtrack of John Chatham's Life, and we have 345 00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:15,800 Ray Coats with us on Scype all the way from the UK. Ray what 346 00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:21,119 time is it there, by the way, It is just after half four, 347 00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:23,320 just after half four in the afternoon, in the afternoon. Okay, 348 00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:30,679 very good, very good? Yeah? Now how many how many tracks are 349 00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:34,840 on the album total? Well, at the moment, that's again a great 350 00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:38,519 question. We are the album is a work in progress. We've got all 351 00:34:38,559 --> 00:34:45,920 of the songs written. But I'm hoping that you will agree with this that 352 00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:50,920 we've we've set up a go fund Me, so we've already organized that. 353 00:34:51,039 --> 00:34:54,440 We're promoting that. That's a very common thing within the arts these days, 354 00:34:54,519 --> 00:35:00,119 where whether it's musicians a band set up a go Fundme to complete an album 355 00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:07,039 or filmmakers do likewise as well. Sure, And we've got a target of 356 00:35:07,559 --> 00:35:15,039 six three hundred and ninety nine pounds sterling, and we're promoting it because we 357 00:35:15,199 --> 00:35:20,880 need support because recording time cost money, time to travel to the studio, 358 00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:23,880 and this figure that I've just given you will also be the production of the 359 00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:29,840 album. So for example, those that donate to the gofund me and we've 360 00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:37,400 created a link for that will receive a CD copy, a USB key copy, 361 00:35:37,199 --> 00:35:40,880 souvenirs we're going to get printed souvenir, but also we're looking to convert 362 00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:46,320 the album into vinyl, and of course to print vinyl that costs money and 363 00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:51,920 that's included in that figure that I've just given. So basically, we've got 364 00:35:52,039 --> 00:35:55,199 four songs that are released as singles and they're finished, they've been released. 365 00:35:55,599 --> 00:35:59,480 We've got another song that I know we're going to be sharing in the show, 366 00:35:59,599 --> 00:36:04,400 which is a demo mix version. It's a better version than the original 367 00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:07,039 one. And we've got another four songs. So we've got another four songs 368 00:36:07,119 --> 00:36:13,519 written, but we need it's difficult to say time wise because it depends on 369 00:36:13,639 --> 00:36:17,800 each individual song, but a good few weeks in the studio to complete the 370 00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:23,079 album. Hence that's where the support comes from. But it's one of the 371 00:36:23,159 --> 00:36:27,320 tracks is also going to be a version of four Guy, a song that's 372 00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:31,840 already released that's actually going to include John's voice and it took John four and 373 00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:37,480 a half years to learn to talk again. Wow, So this is this 374 00:36:37,639 --> 00:36:45,480 is not sideline stuff. This is just like a It can be a commercial 375 00:36:45,599 --> 00:36:50,199 project, but not solely, and that's not me trying to put worth and 376 00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:53,199 value on what this is. It's incredibly powerful and a lot of the songs 377 00:36:53,239 --> 00:36:59,159 are very very upbeat. Run for the Roses released this weekend, so that's 378 00:36:59,159 --> 00:37:04,519 available spot of iTunes, Amazon Music, YouTube, everywhere. Is effectively John's 379 00:37:04,599 --> 00:37:10,000 victory song. So we've reached an initial finish line, which is where we 380 00:37:10,079 --> 00:37:15,719 are with the four songs. We've got a fifth that's underway, but we've 381 00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:21,480 got another four that we desire to complete for the entire album project, and 382 00:37:21,599 --> 00:37:25,039 that's where we welcome the support of others. We're also looking, which is 383 00:37:25,079 --> 00:37:35,280 why we're promoting for sponsors, investors, and this is an incredible life story. 384 00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:38,800 We know it's leading to more. There's a screenplay currently being written, 385 00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:45,760 so anybody who connects with myself and John, it's the beginning of something that's 386 00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:51,920 happening anyway. So it's a really, really good time to be involved and 387 00:37:52,119 --> 00:37:57,000 to support what we're doing. You mentioned it took him what did you say, 388 00:37:57,039 --> 00:37:58,960 four and a half years for him to be able to speak again. 389 00:37:59,119 --> 00:38:04,119 Was was he what? Was he shot in the throat? No, he 390 00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:06,599 wasn't. He was shot in the leg, but because of the fall. 391 00:38:07,159 --> 00:38:10,400 So basically he was shot on a bridge and then pushed over the bridge. 392 00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:15,079 Oh wow, So I think it was a twenty five foot drop. Oh 393 00:38:15,159 --> 00:38:20,760 my god. So that the injuries that John sustained also the bullet was left 394 00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:27,480 in him because it was a hatchet job in terms of what could be very 395 00:38:27,599 --> 00:38:34,960 brutally deemed as surgery in Bulgarian a very very crude, what can't even be 396 00:38:35,119 --> 00:38:37,880 termed as a hospital. And all of this comes out in the book. 397 00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:46,039 John was was beaten up as well by the local police with the threat of 398 00:38:47,079 --> 00:38:52,239 not sharing what happened, and effectively fled and escaped Bulgaria. At the time 399 00:38:52,679 --> 00:38:57,639 Bulgaria went in the EU. And in this I just want to say as 400 00:38:57,679 --> 00:39:00,599 well, there's no there's no political statement. It's being made even against the 401 00:39:00,679 --> 00:39:05,519 country that I live in, the UK, But I'm making a statement of 402 00:39:05,599 --> 00:39:10,280 fact because this is a human being who wasn't supported in his own country when 403 00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:20,039 he returned, and that's why it's such an important life to share and others 404 00:39:20,159 --> 00:39:27,880 can support us in that because it's when you read Fall Guy, I can't 405 00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:32,480 capture it within the time that we're spend together. It's astonishing that John is 406 00:39:32,519 --> 00:39:38,400 still here and doing what he's doing. Yeah. Yeah. In addition to 407 00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:44,480 the book and the music, has he done anything else? Has he participated 408 00:39:44,559 --> 00:39:46,559 in, you know, the making of any kind of a documentary or anything 409 00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:52,119 about what happened to him? Not yet, not yet, but that's part 410 00:39:52,199 --> 00:39:54,400 of what we're looking at. Whether it will either be I should imagine it 411 00:39:54,480 --> 00:40:00,599 will be a dramatization of his experience, but I also think because this is 412 00:40:00,039 --> 00:40:05,519 becoming bigger, that's why we're creating the songs as well to profile this, 413 00:40:06,119 --> 00:40:08,679 and that's why we're looking to others who have far further reach than we have 414 00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:15,159 the world of social media. We do the best we can and things are 415 00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:19,000 growing and the awareness is growing, but we're also reaching out to others. 416 00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:22,639 So we're actually going to be setting up events very soon in the local area 417 00:40:22,719 --> 00:40:29,599 and then expanding so effectively an evening with John Cheatham and it will be me 418 00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:35,440 asking questions of John what happened. It will be very very lighthearted at times 419 00:40:35,559 --> 00:40:39,000 because that's me and John, and there'll be Q and A from the audience. 420 00:40:39,079 --> 00:40:43,960 There'll be a few songs, some book signing. So we're looking to 421 00:40:44,039 --> 00:40:47,679 do things like that so that, again, we can generate the varieties of 422 00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:53,320 energy that we require in one of those of courses, financial and also the 423 00:40:54,400 --> 00:41:00,960 momentum, the momentum to take this wider spread the word for it to grow 424 00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:04,679 into what it's already becoming. And I want to emphasize again there is a 425 00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:09,199 screenplay that's taking place that's been written currently, so progress is being made. 426 00:41:09,320 --> 00:41:15,719 Definitely. Yeah, very good, very good. We should well, let's 427 00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:20,440 go ahead, and I want to play this track Horsepower, which you know 428 00:41:20,519 --> 00:41:23,440 you mentioned this is a demo version, but so I've been kind of teasing 429 00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:27,639 people with it. You know that this actually includes my voice on it, 430 00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:30,119 and I'm very I was very honored that you asked me to do this. 431 00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:35,920 So what else should we know about this song before I play it? Ray? 432 00:41:36,719 --> 00:41:39,239 I think it's incredible what happened, Mat. I sent the words that 433 00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:47,800 John had written for a piece for you to effectively narrate without actually knowing the 434 00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:52,119 context of what it was going to become a part of. Yeah, And 435 00:41:52,239 --> 00:41:59,519 effectively horsepower is another reference to the world of horse racing and a comparison with 436 00:41:59,679 --> 00:42:02,880 John life. And it came to me recently it's like that that race. 437 00:42:04,480 --> 00:42:07,559 I'm not massively a fan, to be honest with you, I'm not condemning 438 00:42:07,679 --> 00:42:13,840 horse racing, but of course tragically that there's a loss of life within that 439 00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:20,800 sport, as there are within others. But effectively, John more than stumbled 440 00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:28,000 at a herd of fell and got back up, and effectively the analogy of 441 00:42:28,159 --> 00:42:34,000 the horse, the horse race and the horse power. Horses are tremendously powerful 442 00:42:34,079 --> 00:42:39,920 creatures. Yes, so effectively that turning of being out of the race and 443 00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:44,320 then coming back into the race, and it's very similar to Run for the 444 00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:46,880 Roses. And I want to say this because it's from the heart, Matt, 445 00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:50,719 and I've heard those that have heard it, which is not many, 446 00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:55,239 by the way, because I'm very close guarded with certain things. What an 447 00:42:55,559 --> 00:43:02,760 absolutely incredible job you've done. It adds so much to the song, and 448 00:43:04,239 --> 00:43:07,360 the song is growing and we want to add more to it. But I 449 00:43:07,480 --> 00:43:09,800 just want to say thank you so much. Answer Jen as well for all 450 00:43:09,840 --> 00:43:15,800 of your organization of the work you've done on horsepower and we can't wait to 451 00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:19,679 finish in Oh oh, thank you, Ray. I appreciate that very much 452 00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:22,000 and no, like I said, I'm honored to be a part of it. 453 00:43:22,719 --> 00:43:25,280 Well, without further ado, let's we'll give this a listen. This 454 00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:31,239 is a demo version of horsepower and I'm on the track, so here it 455 00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:45,199 is everybody. He stumbles out on the gate and can't find this stride, 456 00:43:45,519 --> 00:43:49,440 trying to complete the first step, so trying to beat his record time, 457 00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:52,719 he spading quickly and finds himself propping up the back of the sack. He 458 00:43:52,840 --> 00:43:57,119 keeps his mind as I'm hogings today as quickly needs it. Back on tracks, 459 00:43:57,599 --> 00:44:00,360 another slashing us going through the next for a walk, the rest of 460 00:44:00,440 --> 00:44:04,320 the packet, final quarterfall, here's the final belt. I'm not sure if 461 00:44:04,320 --> 00:44:07,920 he's destined for heaven or health. Guardian angels are calling him at this point, 462 00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:10,559 saying we are not ing this thorough bred today. There's no chance of 463 00:44:10,639 --> 00:44:17,559 the devil standing in our way. Drinking Black Eyed Susan's with raven head, 464 00:44:17,639 --> 00:44:24,719 blue eyed bloom seas somewhere in the cookie state, I'm falling away from home 465 00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:29,719 I must be laid by. When I's on the phone, my body's strung 466 00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:37,920 out like Monday washing. I can hear the bye no bell hearts Poe, 467 00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:54,079 the race up his life husp. Is this the replay from her? Back 468 00:44:54,159 --> 00:45:02,679 at the back and sinewing with fun? Realize my work is done? Another 469 00:45:02,760 --> 00:45:08,000 one say from an early grave where no one belongs, perhaps only a boat 470 00:45:08,079 --> 00:45:14,599 claw or maybe in a song. I can hear that by and no bear 471 00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:29,159 hasp The race sup he is live? Hasper? Is this the race from 472 00:45:29,320 --> 00:45:45,039 hell? Has the race? Save? Here is live? Hat? Is 473 00:45:45,159 --> 00:45:51,480 this the replay from hell? I can hear the fire of bell the double 474 00:45:51,519 --> 00:45:53,159 one. God decided to toss a coin to seal his faith, but isn't 475 00:45:53,199 --> 00:45:58,039 too late. The devil has a double headed coin and is about to rejoice. 476 00:45:58,440 --> 00:46:00,719 The angel step in and, feeling there is no choice at the finishing 477 00:46:00,760 --> 00:46:06,280 host, the thorough red is saved and they realized there's no stopping him today. 478 00:46:06,800 --> 00:46:31,199 There's no stopping him today. There's no stopping him today if you can 479 00:46:45,760 --> 00:46:50,880 all right. That is the demo of horsepower. Ray Coats is with us 480 00:46:51,400 --> 00:46:53,199 via Skype all the way from the UK. Of course, that is from 481 00:46:53,280 --> 00:46:58,079 a fall guy the soundtrack of John Cheatham's Life, and yeah, thank you 482 00:46:58,119 --> 00:47:00,719 again Ray for asking me to do that. That's okay, I really like 483 00:47:00,840 --> 00:47:05,280 it. How do you feel about it? How do you feel about it? 484 00:47:05,360 --> 00:47:08,639 How do you feel how's it worked out for you? Because obviously you've 485 00:47:08,679 --> 00:47:14,960 heard it. Yeah, yeah, no, I like it in the context 486 00:47:15,079 --> 00:47:19,360 of when you recorded your vocal that was without the music, if you get 487 00:47:19,400 --> 00:47:22,960 me right right, Yeah, yeah, I mean you did give me some 488 00:47:22,119 --> 00:47:28,159 guidance in terms of of, uh, you know what what I should how 489 00:47:28,239 --> 00:47:32,199 I should approach it were you you've done it, You've done it, which 490 00:47:32,320 --> 00:47:36,039 was helpful. But no, I appreciate it, and yeah, it's wonderful 491 00:47:36,079 --> 00:47:37,199 to be a part of that. I did notice too. I like how 492 00:47:37,239 --> 00:47:43,079 the lyrics at the end of it kind of reference the other track, they're 493 00:47:43,159 --> 00:47:46,199 Run for the Roses, brilliant. Thank you. That was actually in the 494 00:47:46,320 --> 00:47:52,760 studio Wednesday of last week and it just came to me and I thought it'd 495 00:47:52,800 --> 00:48:00,440 be wonderful too, very very appropriately bookend. So the opening lyrics to fall 496 00:48:00,519 --> 00:48:07,199 Guy, which was the first single that we released, and one of the 497 00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:08,880 lyrics, as you've just said, from Run for the Roses, If a 498 00:48:08,920 --> 00:48:12,679 bullet is the best you can do, then I must feel sorry for you. 499 00:48:13,239 --> 00:48:16,400 And this is where it's such a powerful message. It really really is 500 00:48:16,559 --> 00:48:22,280 that it could be. I'm not saying it is, but I guess some 501 00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:27,480 people could think, wow, this is a bit you know, challengeing, 502 00:48:27,599 --> 00:48:31,679 traumatic, dark Yes, there were elements of that, but my goodness me, 503 00:48:31,800 --> 00:48:37,280 it's the victory of the human spirit. That's really what this whole project 504 00:48:37,480 --> 00:48:40,840 is. Because John's lyrics, his words, his life. If a bullet 505 00:48:40,920 --> 00:48:45,239 is the best you can do, then I must feel sorry for you. 506 00:48:45,400 --> 00:48:49,519 I mean, if that's if that's not courage and strength, I don't know 507 00:48:49,679 --> 00:48:53,119 what is. He's saying, You've not You've not got over me. And 508 00:48:53,199 --> 00:48:59,719 John is about victory, not vendetta. So he's about sharing the power of 509 00:48:59,800 --> 00:49:06,639 his experience and they try to get rid of him and it didn't work because 510 00:49:06,679 --> 00:49:12,760 he's still here and he's standing toil. Yep. Yeah, absolutely very good. 511 00:49:12,840 --> 00:49:16,440 Now, so you probably don't know at this point when I mean, 512 00:49:16,480 --> 00:49:20,760 do you have an idea in mind of when you'd like to have the full 513 00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:23,840 album out? Like you said, there's a great question. There's some crowd 514 00:49:23,960 --> 00:49:30,119 crowdfunding involved. I know, yeah, great question. Originally it would have 515 00:49:30,199 --> 00:49:37,360 been June, which would have been nineteen years from the incident that I'm using 516 00:49:37,400 --> 00:49:44,440 the word incident now that happened to John. I can't remember the exact date 517 00:49:44,519 --> 00:49:46,079 off the top of my head. That was an original plan. Of course, 518 00:49:46,199 --> 00:49:52,719 when we're not we're not going to achieve that. So it's a difficult 519 00:49:52,760 --> 00:49:57,400 one because I don't want to I don't want to sound like it's a poor 520 00:49:57,559 --> 00:50:05,079 cry, because it really really is. But I'm working like many people, 521 00:50:05,639 --> 00:50:12,360 and within social media it does at times feel like we're banging a bit of 522 00:50:12,480 --> 00:50:19,119 a help us out drum, but we do need support, so there's no 523 00:50:19,239 --> 00:50:24,079 getting away from that. And the simple answer is when we reach our target 524 00:50:25,079 --> 00:50:30,199 that will enable us to complete the album, and the more people that can 525 00:50:30,320 --> 00:50:35,119 donate, even what could seem to be a small amount. The gofund me 526 00:50:35,239 --> 00:50:39,719 the minimum is five pounds UK sterling. I'm I'm not sure what that translates 527 00:50:39,800 --> 00:50:46,000 to in US dollars, but yeah, it's a reasonable sum. But people 528 00:50:46,079 --> 00:50:52,000 can donate, for example, twenty five pounds UK sterling and they'll receive a 529 00:50:52,119 --> 00:50:55,960 vinyl copy of the album, but that's subject to us meeting our target. 530 00:50:57,559 --> 00:51:01,039 So it's one of those where we need to still keep shar but effectively, 531 00:51:01,280 --> 00:51:06,599 the more people that donate, that figure is going to go up massively, 532 00:51:06,679 --> 00:51:12,119 which is the whole idea of a crowd fund. So I'd love to answer 533 00:51:12,239 --> 00:51:16,039 a question, but at the moment, I can't give a specific date. 534 00:51:16,280 --> 00:51:22,679 I mean, I think somewhere before the autumn would be wonderful, But we 535 00:51:22,119 --> 00:51:30,639 really need to get this fund rising. Yeah, that's a necessity. So 536 00:51:30,119 --> 00:51:37,360 also equally, if anybody has any expertise or ideas on that, we're open 537 00:51:37,480 --> 00:51:42,559 to suggestion and certainly open to support. All right, very good, very 538 00:51:42,599 --> 00:51:46,400 good, Ray. The time goes so quickly. We are approaching the top 539 00:51:46,480 --> 00:51:52,119 of the hour. But I want to make sure that our listeners know where's 540 00:51:52,199 --> 00:51:55,800 the best places to go online to keep up with you with everything that you're 541 00:51:55,880 --> 00:52:00,639 doing, and of course to follow along with this project and and everything you've 542 00:52:00,679 --> 00:52:02,280 got going on. What should people know about where to find you online? 543 00:52:04,280 --> 00:52:08,400 Well, Raycoats, it's r A Y co O A T E s all 544 00:52:08,480 --> 00:52:13,679 of the music. I've got a Spotify artists page, iTunes, Amazon Music, 545 00:52:13,760 --> 00:52:16,519 YouTube website. I need to do a little bit of work on which 546 00:52:16,559 --> 00:52:23,079 I'm planning to do so Raycoatsvoice dot com, across social media, Raycoats or 547 00:52:23,199 --> 00:52:30,760 Raycoats Voice and John John is John Cheatham. That's John C. H. 548 00:52:30,159 --> 00:52:37,000 E E. T H A M. Poetry dot co dot uk and between 549 00:52:37,119 --> 00:52:42,840 us and individually we're working on a number of projects as well. All right, 550 00:52:43,360 --> 00:52:47,000 fantastic, fantastic, Ray, Thank you so much. This has been 551 00:52:47,039 --> 00:52:51,280 wonderful as always, and again thank you for including me in the project. 552 00:52:51,360 --> 00:52:53,639 And wonderful to talk with you, my friend. And we will do it 553 00:52:53,719 --> 00:52:58,239 again soon. You're always You've always got stuff coming out, You're always working 554 00:52:58,280 --> 00:53:01,239 on stuff, so I'm sure we'll talk you in the near future. Fantastic. 555 00:53:01,320 --> 00:53:04,320 Thank you so much, Matt, thank you Jen, and thank you 556 00:53:04,400 --> 00:53:07,519 to your listeners as well. All Right, thank you, Ray, take 557 00:53:07,559 --> 00:53:09,960 care, cheers them, bye bye, all right, bye bye, all 558 00:53:10,039 --> 00:53:15,559 right the great Ray Coats. And just before we wrap, I actually am 559 00:53:15,599 --> 00:53:17,440 I didn't. I didn't tell them that I am going to play one more 560 00:53:17,679 --> 00:53:22,880 Ray Coats song, the track fall Guy, which he did reference during the 561 00:53:22,960 --> 00:53:23,760 interview, so I was like, you know what, I'll play that one 562 00:53:23,800 --> 00:53:30,719 to end the show. But we want to remind people too. So your 563 00:53:30,840 --> 00:53:36,519 art at Mosaic, yes, yes, it's the painting's been dropped off and 564 00:53:36,880 --> 00:53:40,800 the opening will be actually next Saturday, on the eleventh, at four pm, 565 00:53:42,320 --> 00:53:46,320 will be the official opening of the resurgence art of the Botanical Juried Show 566 00:53:47,159 --> 00:53:52,760 and everything will be on display there from the sixth this coming Monday, until 567 00:53:52,760 --> 00:53:55,639 I believe it's the twenty eighth. Okay, what does that mean? By 568 00:53:55,639 --> 00:54:00,559 the way, a juried does that mean it's like a jury of people who 569 00:54:00,000 --> 00:54:04,519 decide what side what gets in? Yes, exactly, that's exactly it. 570 00:54:04,760 --> 00:54:07,840 Yep, okay, and all of the Mosaic are collective shows are jury. 571 00:54:07,000 --> 00:54:10,360 To my knowledge, this is my second time making it in to one of 572 00:54:10,440 --> 00:54:14,119 their shows, and I'm very excited about that. It's really great. Yeah, 573 00:54:14,239 --> 00:54:16,519 you can see that painting and find out more information on me. Lots 574 00:54:16,519 --> 00:54:21,880 of new videos of me in Minnesota and Washington, DC at Gencoffee dot com. 575 00:54:22,039 --> 00:54:24,519 J E N N C O F F e I dot com. Very 576 00:54:24,559 --> 00:54:28,440 good, Very good, all right, and uh if you miss any part 577 00:54:28,480 --> 00:54:30,599 of today's show, it will be up in just a little bit at w 578 00:54:30,920 --> 00:54:36,079 n H Radio dot org and in my website Matt Connorton dot com. And 579 00:54:36,480 --> 00:54:40,079 uh oh, I knew there was something else I wanted to mention. Tomorrow 580 00:54:40,159 --> 00:54:45,480 night will be at Run Like Thieves, Run Like Run Like Thieves is planning 581 00:54:45,639 --> 00:54:52,800 Conquered in the Bank New Hampshire Pavilion. It's the Yes, the Bank Newhampshire 582 00:54:52,840 --> 00:54:57,159 Stage in Conquered, Yes, at six pm, Yes, six, and 583 00:54:57,320 --> 00:55:00,280 we will be there, Yes we will so come say hi. Yeah under 584 00:55:00,280 --> 00:55:04,400 the Run Like Steve's show tomorrow night starting at six and conquered. We'd love 585 00:55:04,519 --> 00:55:06,840 to see you. Yeah, we had them on the show recently. We've 586 00:55:06,880 --> 00:55:08,760 had them on a couple of times. Great band, great guys, great 587 00:55:08,840 --> 00:55:13,199 guys and uh yeah, really looking forward to that tomorrow night. I knew 588 00:55:13,199 --> 00:55:15,320 there was something else I wanted to make sure we mentioned, So I'm looking 589 00:55:15,360 --> 00:55:17,840 forward to see who we're going to see at the show. Yes, yes, 590 00:55:19,239 --> 00:55:22,559 be fun. All right. With that, we will wrap up with 591 00:55:22,960 --> 00:55:27,199 here's one more track from Ray Coats. This is called this is Fall Guy. 592 00:55:27,320 --> 00:55:30,480 This is from the soundtrack that we've been discussing and we will finish off 593 00:55:30,559 --> 00:55:32,719 with this. And that's going to do it for us for now. I 594 00:55:32,760 --> 00:55:36,320 will talk to you all a little bit later. Bye everybody, Bye bye. 595 00:55:43,320 --> 00:56:00,760 So we are made to take a full stuff now you fun passes by, 596 00:56:01,119 --> 00:56:12,199 Happy to collect body, damaged, mind rap some ramed by side lisoll 597 00:56:12,960 --> 00:56:21,239 ramp racing through that cold water. Happened? Do you rest up? Signs 598 00:56:22,679 --> 00:56:36,960 fusefully telegraph lights. Days you shine at days you hide the pain whilst looking 599 00:56:37,400 --> 00:56:43,880 down on your scene the fate. You know. Sometimes it's just to make 600 00:56:44,360 --> 00:56:54,840 the sun signs. We are made to take a farm no matter, I 601 00:56:55,280 --> 00:57:09,960 said, no man, Oh don't know the raisonne up became the fall guy 602 00:57:15,559 --> 00:57:25,360 quote un com is the echo boom as they did and disperse Tralli des you 603 00:57:25,599 --> 00:57:36,760 white coat wool all over way too soon. Heavies came and throw me away. 604 00:57:37,559 --> 00:57:45,400 Unfortunately left him a little to me satan. So we froze and passed 605 00:57:45,559 --> 00:57:57,760 down, dampen the last since I days then you shine and days you hide 606 00:57:58,239 --> 00:58:07,519 away. I was looking down on your seeing fate you nor Sometimes it's just 607 00:58:07,760 --> 00:58:19,039 a main sun signs. We are made to save your father. No man 608 00:58:20,719 --> 00:58:38,400 said, no man until no reason why that became for fun girl when laid 609 00:58:38,599 --> 00:58:47,119 down until a firmer grand I can stay near the angels amplified sound. Now 610 00:58:47,199 --> 00:58:55,639 this no escape. Out's fine. I've just simply lost my life to some 611 00:58:58,599 --> 00:59:07,679 signs. Be un made to take a poone. Don't never howl saying, 612 00:59:08,639 --> 00:59:21,280 no matter how to tell, know the reason why I became to the front, 613 00:59:21,559 --> 00:59:30,519 the guy join know the reason why I became to the phone. The 614 00:59:30,719 --> 00:59:38,880 guy fuck Goud.