WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.120 --> 00:00:03.080 Hey, what's up. It's the trilog bun b. This is What's on 2 00:00:03.120 --> 00:00:16.280 Tap Radio with James Simpson. It's going down. Okay, welcome back to 3 00:00:16.280 --> 00:00:20.280 What's on Tap Radio. I'm very excited because I have some really special special 4 00:00:20.320 --> 00:00:25.839 guests in studio back. It's been like what a few months. Yeah, 5 00:00:27.000 --> 00:00:31.359 Independent Brewing Company, Amy Cartwright, Stephanie Meyer, welcome back to the show. 6 00:00:31.399 --> 00:00:33.479 We had so much fun with you guys when you were back in here 7 00:00:33.479 --> 00:00:36.600 in November. How to glad to have you guys back in studio here and 8 00:00:36.679 --> 00:00:39.679 now, Yeah, I've got a lot to get to. I know we've 9 00:00:39.679 --> 00:00:42.920 got some beers in front of us, but I told you when we were 10 00:00:42.920 --> 00:00:46.159 off the air, and some really hard hitting questions, some questions that have 11 00:00:46.479 --> 00:00:50.560 m making me nervous. Sparked a lot of feedback on our on our social 12 00:00:50.600 --> 00:00:53.439 media, which we'll get to here in a second. But uh, I 13 00:00:53.520 --> 00:00:57.439 got scoop here that I'm very excited to talk about. But we'll get that 14 00:00:57.520 --> 00:01:00.759 to that in a second. But you said, yes, we start with 15 00:01:00.159 --> 00:01:04.200 I don't want to butcher the name. I brought a special little beer called 16 00:01:04.200 --> 00:01:07.959 geister Zoo. Geister Zoo, which is a coach so we took the name 17 00:01:08.000 --> 00:01:12.799 inspiration from a special event they do in Cologne, Okay, the birthplace of 18 00:01:12.879 --> 00:01:18.760 Colch and so on one of the nights of their big carnival, they do 19 00:01:18.840 --> 00:01:21.840 the ghost train the geister Zoo. Is that what it means? Ghost train? 20 00:01:22.079 --> 00:01:25.599 Yeah? Okay, in a geister zoo. Okay, geister Zoo, 21 00:01:25.599 --> 00:01:29.000 geister zoo. Okay, yeah, because when I what happens is next week 22 00:01:29.040 --> 00:01:30.200 when I'm talking about the beer, I'm gonna butcher it. When Amy's not 23 00:01:30.239 --> 00:01:34.200 in studio, you can just be like, hop upboard the ghost train. 24 00:01:34.359 --> 00:01:37.799 Here you go and on the label it's got a cool little train with a 25 00:01:37.840 --> 00:01:41.000 skull in the front of it. And uh, I feel like I mean 26 00:01:41.599 --> 00:01:45.280 to me every year or every time the season is Cole season. But now 27 00:01:45.319 --> 00:01:49.959 that the months are getting a little warmer, that you know, people start 28 00:01:49.000 --> 00:01:53.560 switching from stout stouts and so forth. But how you how you been great? 29 00:01:53.920 --> 00:01:59.079 Great, good good spring so far? Yeah? Driving in you gotta 30 00:01:59.120 --> 00:02:02.359 love those feld to blue bonnets. I think about driving from Austin to Houston, 31 00:02:02.400 --> 00:02:06.040 as all the fields, right, and they're like weeds or something, 32 00:02:06.120 --> 00:02:07.879 right, they grow like weeds. Even though it's the National flower. I 33 00:02:07.919 --> 00:02:12.599 still love it. My grainy s to send me Texas Highway Magazine. Really 34 00:02:12.960 --> 00:02:16.240 a blue bans there's a not to get off the beating track. But I 35 00:02:16.560 --> 00:02:22.240 drive to Dallas a lot and a milad marker two one one was my favorite 36 00:02:22.240 --> 00:02:27.560 mild marker because you go over this overpath and before there was this giant land 37 00:02:28.240 --> 00:02:31.520 and blue bonnets which is grow and it looked like a blue sea. Yeah 38 00:02:31.599 --> 00:02:37.560 yeah, but then they like built like a warehouse there now storage. Yeah, 39 00:02:37.560 --> 00:02:39.439 it's a storage, you know. So there's like they took away where 40 00:02:39.479 --> 00:02:43.599 it was this beautiful like it should have made like a historical landmarker. I 41 00:02:43.639 --> 00:02:45.879 don't know, but like, yeah, but when you drove over, it's 42 00:02:45.879 --> 00:02:49.680 just beautiful blue bonnets, but now it's a stupid ugly warehouse. Yeah yeah, 43 00:02:49.719 --> 00:02:53.000 but you know it is blue bonus season, but it's also cool season. 44 00:02:53.319 --> 00:02:55.520 And so tell us a little bit about this geister zook. So with 45 00:02:55.599 --> 00:03:00.560 the zook, the geister Zoo, it just really went pretty traditional. Uh 46 00:03:00.759 --> 00:03:06.800 it is um it's just a very traditional coal so just designed to be light 47 00:03:07.280 --> 00:03:10.879 crisp. It's a traditional noble hops. So for my listeners that don't know 48 00:03:10.879 --> 00:03:13.719 what a coalshes, what's it. What's a coal? So how can you 49 00:03:13.719 --> 00:03:15.960 explain that coals to him? Well, so coal should be lighter. I 50 00:03:16.000 --> 00:03:19.360 mean, if you look at this, it's light straw in color, so 51 00:03:19.400 --> 00:03:22.599 it's a lighter malt um. You know you want it to be finished, 52 00:03:22.639 --> 00:03:27.479 dry and crisp. But um, it's actually a weird hybrid because its ferments. 53 00:03:27.520 --> 00:03:30.439 As you know, it starts off cold fermentation. But it's actually an 54 00:03:30.439 --> 00:03:35.000 alias. So yeah, it's really good. What's a ABV on this? 55 00:03:35.599 --> 00:03:38.240 It's hitting right around five? Right around five? Okay, I like it? 56 00:03:38.240 --> 00:03:40.439 And so this is new? Is this a season or it's a spring 57 00:03:40.479 --> 00:03:44.639 seasonal season? And this is the first time you've done it? Yeah? 58 00:03:44.719 --> 00:03:49.800 Yeah, so uh, our headbrew Brandon Radiki had worked on he'd been reading 59 00:03:49.840 --> 00:03:52.520 about. He added some thoughts on how to do a little bit unique taste 60 00:03:52.520 --> 00:03:55.680 on his own version on a coal shian Um, so you can't spill all 61 00:03:55.719 --> 00:03:59.520 the beans. But you know something he'd been wanting to work on for a 62 00:03:59.560 --> 00:04:01.719 while. And it's just nice to have seasonal releases, so you can just 63 00:04:01.759 --> 00:04:08.680 do something for fun, all right. But ghost train guys, your shoogoo, 64 00:04:08.759 --> 00:04:11.039 all right, So I told you I have a list of questions, 65 00:04:11.080 --> 00:04:13.520 I want to throw your away. And so the first question, and this 66 00:04:13.639 --> 00:04:16.759 has have been a hot topic on What's on Tap Radio lately, what is 67 00:04:16.839 --> 00:04:21.040 your opinion or what do you think is one of the let's let's say top 68 00:04:21.160 --> 00:04:26.279 three, top three, and Stephanie you can jump in on this as well. 69 00:04:26.720 --> 00:04:33.000 Underrated beer styles Top three Underrated beer style, Underrated beer Styles. I 70 00:04:33.040 --> 00:04:35.720 mean, I'm not going to do an order prayer. Yeah you don't have 71 00:04:35.759 --> 00:04:40.040 to. And I did that too because chat through that chat through that at 72 00:04:40.079 --> 00:04:41.920 me, and I was like, I don't know if I can listen in 73 00:04:42.040 --> 00:04:45.879 order, but I'll do three. I think just paleo, like nice pale 74 00:04:45.920 --> 00:04:47.920 ales that was on my list. You know, I do love a good 75 00:04:48.079 --> 00:04:54.279 Chris Paleo that's you know, not too not too high alcohol, um and 76 00:04:54.439 --> 00:04:57.399 sort of in that same vein. I just feel like that, you know, 77 00:04:57.759 --> 00:05:00.279 um, oh god, let's see, just like you know, some 78 00:05:00.319 --> 00:05:05.279 of the lower abb styles. So I'm trying to think of you before you 79 00:05:05.360 --> 00:05:09.600 jumped the next one. The palel so I said the same thing. I 80 00:05:09.600 --> 00:05:13.040 said the same thing, the good old traditional palout. But I feel like 81 00:05:13.240 --> 00:05:15.879 when session IPAs came out, they kind of like, hey, we'll take 82 00:05:15.879 --> 00:05:19.639 it from here at Palel, and then Palels were like, okay, well 83 00:05:19.680 --> 00:05:25.040 we got a good run. And I think that what's difficult about it, 84 00:05:25.120 --> 00:05:29.399 even if we enjoy making them and drinking them, is that I would also 85 00:05:29.639 --> 00:05:32.120 just say in retail, you know, people really are like, oh, 86 00:05:32.160 --> 00:05:35.199 it's not sellings like I'd rather carry IPAs. So there is a little bit 87 00:05:35.199 --> 00:05:41.399 of like the retailer dynamic that can also lead to it just not being available. 88 00:05:41.600 --> 00:05:43.600 Yeah, you know, And so then people are like, oh, 89 00:05:43.639 --> 00:05:48.199 it reinforces everything's got to be IPA. Everything's IPA now, Amy Cartwright, 90 00:05:48.279 --> 00:05:53.480 sevny Meyer here Independence Brewing talking about underrated beer styles. You said the Palel, 91 00:05:53.560 --> 00:05:56.079 what else you got? Um, okay, hold on, I know 92 00:05:56.079 --> 00:06:00.959 I told you it's a hard hitting questions. Um well, I would just 93 00:06:00.000 --> 00:06:03.000 say that I've been asked this quite a bit from people that, you know, 94 00:06:03.040 --> 00:06:05.279 you have fans of certain beers, you made them want you to bring 95 00:06:05.319 --> 00:06:09.720 them back, And I would say that even though it's not a you know, 96 00:06:09.879 --> 00:06:15.120 necessarily a favorite of mine, the black Ipa people Black Ipa I kind 97 00:06:15.120 --> 00:06:18.839 of feel like in the last year they've kind of made a resurgence with the 98 00:06:18.879 --> 00:06:25.439 Cascadian Dark Ales yeah, I know Stone came out with they re released their 99 00:06:25.519 --> 00:06:30.160 black IPA and then a few other like hound Song has a really good black 100 00:06:30.199 --> 00:06:31.279 ip I don't know if you've had that one, but I agree with you 101 00:06:31.319 --> 00:06:35.240 black IPA. I think the third has got to be Hellis just likes logger. 102 00:06:36.120 --> 00:06:39.519 I think in Austin it gets a lot of love, like everybody's like, 103 00:06:39.639 --> 00:06:42.240 yeah, I mean we have ABG and the whole hell Loss project, 104 00:06:42.360 --> 00:06:46.319 right everything. So, but I don't feel like it's just widely understood, 105 00:06:46.439 --> 00:06:50.000 like people will often say, oh, well, you know, I like 106 00:06:50.120 --> 00:06:54.240 loggers, and you're like, yeah, Hellis is a logger, right U. 107 00:06:54.480 --> 00:06:56.519 And it's okay to explain it to them. But you know what I 108 00:06:56.519 --> 00:06:59.600 mean, It's just I think people don't generally know my favorite beer's logger. 109 00:07:00.279 --> 00:07:04.439 Okay, yeah, all right, so you said black eyepa, um, 110 00:07:04.720 --> 00:07:10.759 hellas logger and so yeah, three underrated that was what we're going for. 111 00:07:10.879 --> 00:07:12.839 Oh yeah, three are you? I mean you can throw it more if 112 00:07:12.879 --> 00:07:15.399 you if you want. I mean, Stephanie, do you have any thoughts 113 00:07:15.480 --> 00:07:23.959 on underrated beer styles? A good like crisp check Pilsner. Yeah, um, 114 00:07:25.199 --> 00:07:29.040 you know, nice and dry. I love a Baltic Porter, and 115 00:07:29.120 --> 00:07:31.160 I don't think people talk about I don't enough no refreshing it is for a 116 00:07:31.240 --> 00:07:35.040 darker bear, how light you know. I think it's maybe misunderstood. And 117 00:07:35.079 --> 00:07:38.959 it's also you know, when I get it's a logger, so it's harder 118 00:07:39.000 --> 00:07:44.319 to make. Yeah, short spears um, so like a good awesome short 119 00:07:44.360 --> 00:07:46.720 spirit. Yeah, guys. At the in the tap room, one of 120 00:07:46.759 --> 00:07:51.000 our newbrewers, Nick made an alt that just was so damn good and but 121 00:07:51.319 --> 00:07:56.240 lighter than what I anticipated. And it's like, man, I don't know 122 00:07:56.279 --> 00:07:59.000 the last time I had an alt on tap. Yeah. That was another 123 00:07:59.040 --> 00:08:01.399 one that comes up every now on the alt beers. Yeah, and I 124 00:08:01.439 --> 00:08:03.639 think my third would have to be a roush a roush beer, Okay, 125 00:08:03.879 --> 00:08:09.439 like a good smoke yeah, just done right. Vector out of Dallas is 126 00:08:09.519 --> 00:08:16.519 doing a really cool smoked four that's like oddly addicting when you when you have 127 00:08:16.720 --> 00:08:22.480 it, but you know they have it, they have a place. But 128 00:08:22.600 --> 00:08:26.920 I think that I think that nobody talks about them and uses them, especially 129 00:08:26.959 --> 00:08:30.120 in like food pairing. Okay, right, that they could so he said, 130 00:08:30.199 --> 00:08:35.240 check Pilsner, this Roush beer and the Baltic Porter and yeah, Baltic 131 00:08:35.279 --> 00:08:37.480 porter is another one that pops up and listen. I don't feel like a 132 00:08:37.519 --> 00:08:41.200 lot of Texas brewers mess with a Baltic porter, which I think, uh, 133 00:08:41.480 --> 00:08:43.399 I mean, put me on the spot, don't. I can't think 134 00:08:43.399 --> 00:08:46.559 all top of my head. But but yeah, they're not very many Baltic 135 00:08:46.679 --> 00:08:50.960 porters don't see it very often now, you know. And it's funny, 136 00:08:50.320 --> 00:08:54.240 very popular, and they're hard to make, they're expensive, and they don't 137 00:08:54.039 --> 00:08:58.159 the consumer doesn't necessarily understand. I'm like a black I pa, you know 138 00:08:58.480 --> 00:09:01.120 right, I talked about amber beers. So I feel like amber beers are 139 00:09:01.200 --> 00:09:05.720 very underrated. It was like ten years ago brown ales, Amber ales, 140 00:09:07.200 --> 00:09:09.200 but they're just not talked about anymore, and so much that like I don't 141 00:09:09.200 --> 00:09:13.360 know if you saw that fat tire new Belgian fat tire is now getting an 142 00:09:13.399 --> 00:09:18.360 identity change, right, and so that's going away is because consumer shifts. 143 00:09:18.879 --> 00:09:22.679 Well also they reformulated, though it isn't just the identity. But I think 144 00:09:22.720 --> 00:09:24.000 for us, even though if people don't talk about it a lot, we 145 00:09:24.200 --> 00:09:26.960 I mean we have Austin Amber. It's been a beer we've been making for 146 00:09:28.000 --> 00:09:33.519 a really long time now, I like five but I would say that. 147 00:09:33.559 --> 00:09:37.360 I mean, we still it's still like neck and neck is our number two 148 00:09:37.399 --> 00:09:41.600 slot, is it? Yeah? It is very I think the one complaint 149 00:09:41.639 --> 00:09:46.679 we got was when we just stopped doing bottles at all, because we did 150 00:09:46.799 --> 00:09:50.960 we used to have amber in a long neck and there's definitely some diehards that 151 00:09:52.120 --> 00:09:54.759 like ambers that are like the bottle, I'm on the long neck, right, 152 00:09:54.879 --> 00:09:58.919 you know, So that was really hard just moving away from that. 153 00:09:58.039 --> 00:10:01.799 But yeah, our Austin Amber has actually been one of those beers that it 154 00:10:03.200 --> 00:10:07.440 has also traveled well, which kind of defies convention because people up in Dallas 155 00:10:07.480 --> 00:10:09.679 they're like, yoh, I want to see what's from Austin. Everyone's like, 156 00:10:09.279 --> 00:10:13.840 even if Houstonians sometimes want to hate hate on Austin tepit, it's like 157 00:10:13.919 --> 00:10:16.840 people still like stuff from there. They're like, oh, give it a 158 00:10:16.919 --> 00:10:20.120 try. Yeah, is that the beer that you guys um do for the 159 00:10:22.120 --> 00:10:28.360 big game up there between Ou and Texas And so originally it was for a 160 00:10:28.440 --> 00:10:33.200 long time, but then we actually for a couple of years did a special 161 00:10:33.480 --> 00:10:37.159 like a light creamail. Okay, the guys really wanted just to go even 162 00:10:37.279 --> 00:10:43.519 lighter than our Native Texans, so we did that and then so kind of 163 00:10:43.600 --> 00:10:46.399 tried to make it lighter. I think, when you know, Ambers just 164 00:10:46.440 --> 00:10:50.480 a little bit too hefty for tailgating. Yeah. When I first got into 165 00:10:50.519 --> 00:10:54.720 craft beer, I've hated Browns and I hated Ambers. But now as I 166 00:10:54.799 --> 00:10:58.320 got older, I'm not you know, get off my long guy. I 167 00:10:58.519 --> 00:11:00.840 enjoy a good Amber. Now. I don't know if my palace just mature, 168 00:11:01.360 --> 00:11:03.799 but now that it has, I see less and less Ambers on the 169 00:11:03.840 --> 00:11:09.159 shelves. So I also think though Viennis Dialoguer has done Maltier like it's a 170 00:11:09.200 --> 00:11:11.279 good a good uh, you know, approximate If you like Ambers, I 171 00:11:11.320 --> 00:11:15.000 would try that too. Yeah, Ambers are good. I don't know, 172 00:11:15.240 --> 00:11:18.120 just make does my humble opinion? All right? H Next question, Okay, 173 00:11:18.519 --> 00:11:20.799 so you paid your tab, but you're at a restaurant or a bar. 174 00:11:22.519 --> 00:11:24.720 You paid your tab, how long do you sit at the bar or 175 00:11:24.759 --> 00:11:31.919 at the table before you leave? Oh? Well, I generally tend just 176 00:11:31.120 --> 00:11:35.320 to leave pretty soon, like within five or ten, you know, five 177 00:11:35.360 --> 00:11:37.440 minutes or so. I don't know. By the time you pay, it's 178 00:11:37.480 --> 00:11:41.720 like you're leaving. If you're not, then you order something else until you're 179 00:11:41.840 --> 00:11:43.279 you know, I don't know. I guess you're at. What you're sort 180 00:11:43.320 --> 00:11:48.159 of implying asking is like how long is it okay to occupy a space if 181 00:11:48.200 --> 00:11:52.960 you're not actively consuming? And so I would just think that, I mean, 182 00:11:52.080 --> 00:11:58.240 having worked in um, you know, service industry and understanding just what 183 00:11:58.519 --> 00:12:01.440 is going on in that person's life, it's like you need to like make 184 00:12:01.519 --> 00:12:03.440 that space available. So if it was like a table at a restaurant, 185 00:12:03.440 --> 00:12:07.159 there's always the option of moving to the bar or sitting outside for a minute 186 00:12:07.159 --> 00:12:09.720 if you need to chit chat or use your phone or whatever. So I 187 00:12:09.840 --> 00:12:15.120 think pretty like within minutes, okay, minutes like you're saying like ten minutes, 188 00:12:15.360 --> 00:12:16.440 like five minutes, oh, five minutes, you're going five minut Stephanie, 189 00:12:16.440 --> 00:12:20.360 what do you say sitting at chat? You pay your tab? How 190 00:12:20.440 --> 00:12:24.120 long you uh out the doors? We're signing the check, Like when we 191 00:12:24.200 --> 00:12:26.840 get the check, it's it's time to go. Okay that reason Amy said, 192 00:12:26.879 --> 00:12:31.519 like, you know, within minutes. Like one thing I think is 193 00:12:31.519 --> 00:12:33.159 different though, Like let's say you're at a coffee shop where it's really chill, 194 00:12:33.559 --> 00:12:37.360 like really open and people are just milling, you know, there's no 195 00:12:37.480 --> 00:12:39.679 pressure for the space. I think that's a little different. So in Michigan, 196 00:12:41.000 --> 00:12:45.120 like, people are notorious for paying their tab and just camping camping, 197 00:12:46.000 --> 00:12:48.399 and so we got in a little bit of a discussion about you know, 198 00:12:48.440 --> 00:12:52.559 you pay your tab. You know, even though the waitressing waiters are always 199 00:12:52.600 --> 00:12:54.679 so nice, hey, you know, take your time, even though they 200 00:12:54.759 --> 00:12:58.000 say they say to take your time, don't take your time. But people 201 00:12:58.080 --> 00:13:00.759 just camp out and people feel okay with it. Oh yeah, okay, 202 00:13:00.799 --> 00:13:01.799 well you said that, then no, yeah, we'll just go ahead and 203 00:13:03.039 --> 00:13:07.039 hang out. The cafes are for but you know, you're hanging out a 204 00:13:07.080 --> 00:13:11.159 restaurant and they can turn that table into another. But I've seen it on 205 00:13:11.200 --> 00:13:13.159 the opposite end. We're eating and you're trying to bust the table and drop 206 00:13:13.240 --> 00:13:16.840 off the check when we're still eating. Yeah, I've been there before. 207 00:13:16.279 --> 00:13:20.120 Like I'm um, well, okay, so we're eating crawfish and you know 208 00:13:20.159 --> 00:13:20.919 they drop the check off, Like, well, I was gonna order more, 209 00:13:22.000 --> 00:13:26.039 but I guess we're gonna gotta go. So all right, I said 210 00:13:26.039 --> 00:13:28.559 about fifteen minutes, I said, enough to finish your drink. Because if 211 00:13:28.600 --> 00:13:33.159 I pay for a beer and then okay they bring it to me, you 212 00:13:33.200 --> 00:13:37.039 shouldn't be chugging it. No, no, but you know i'll pay, 213 00:13:37.159 --> 00:13:39.120 I'll take a beer and then bring me my check. So I just say, 214 00:13:39.320 --> 00:13:43.399 you know I've finished your beer? Yeah? Is that rude? No? 215 00:13:43.840 --> 00:13:45.960 Okay, no, absolutely, especially with the alcohol. You need to 216 00:13:46.799 --> 00:13:48.200 you know, you're in charge of your body. You've got to figure that 217 00:13:48.240 --> 00:13:50.679 out for yourself. Okay. Now, I'm sorry to think I was like 218 00:13:50.840 --> 00:13:54.799 she said, five minute. God damg, I'm rude. All right? 219 00:13:54.039 --> 00:13:58.440 Uh? Can we crack another beer? Yeah? Before I throw another? 220 00:13:58.039 --> 00:14:01.679 I don't know? You tell me. You guys got a we have a 221 00:14:01.759 --> 00:14:05.159 secret. Are we to talk about the secret? Yeah? No, I 222 00:14:05.279 --> 00:14:07.200 was just making it. But if I've had bruise on before him, We're 223 00:14:07.200 --> 00:14:11.159 like, we can talk about this affair. Yeah. No, this is 224 00:14:11.200 --> 00:14:13.200 a good secret. We want getting out. I want to taste that one 225 00:14:13.279 --> 00:14:20.440 next to go for og. I want to taste Okay, So why don't 226 00:14:20.440 --> 00:14:22.480 you I can't sell it as well as you can or Stephanie can, so 227 00:14:22.919 --> 00:14:26.919 tell us what this is? You know, every so often we want to, 228 00:14:26.399 --> 00:14:31.519 you know. So our flagship IPA stash IPA. It's known for its 229 00:14:31.919 --> 00:14:37.720 lovely dankness and citrusy quality and so kind of just to celebrate certain reaching a 230 00:14:37.759 --> 00:14:41.200 Milestone with that brand and making the same beer for the better part of you 231 00:14:41.279 --> 00:14:45.879 know, twelve years now. We made an extra special version of it, 232 00:14:46.039 --> 00:14:48.120 a secret stash I brought. I brought a different glass for this one, 233 00:14:48.279 --> 00:14:52.799 very limited edition stash in which, you know, we really want to showcase 234 00:14:52.879 --> 00:14:58.799 some innovative hop extract technology that our friends at HOST let us play around with. 235 00:15:00.080 --> 00:15:05.519 So you know, on the h in our hop editions we've got and 236 00:15:05.720 --> 00:15:11.120 a product from them called Incognitoes addeded just a Centennial extract to the whirlpool. 237 00:15:11.200 --> 00:15:16.240 So you know, our whole thought process there is adding extra flavor and aroma 238 00:15:16.320 --> 00:15:22.480 hops bring on the dankness of Centennial. And then on the cold side, 239 00:15:22.799 --> 00:15:26.120 um, they have something new called Spectrum and it's just a it's a type 240 00:15:26.159 --> 00:15:30.799 of hop extract. So we really wanted to enhance the citra aspect of Stash. 241 00:15:30.879 --> 00:15:31.799 So that's what we got. All right. What I'm gonna do is 242 00:15:31.840 --> 00:15:35.320 I'm gonna open and crackt. Wow. That smells good, y'all, y'all, 243 00:15:35.399 --> 00:15:39.080 let you pour, and then I'm gonna just do the rest I mean, 244 00:15:39.200 --> 00:15:43.519 sorry again. Hanging out in studio Independence Brewing from Austin, Texas. 245 00:15:43.759 --> 00:15:48.120 Amy cartwright Stephanie Meyer, answering the hard hitting questions and uh oh this is 246 00:15:48.120 --> 00:15:52.600 a little bit of a lighter color than I was expecting. Well hm, 247 00:15:52.720 --> 00:15:56.679 okay, so uh yeah, I was thinking it's gonna be more of a 248 00:15:58.039 --> 00:16:00.000 I was thinking it was gonna be more of a darker Just can this this 249 00:16:00.200 --> 00:16:03.799 morning? Oh that fresh several hours ago? Oh you can't get more fresh 250 00:16:03.840 --> 00:16:07.639 than that. She waited until it came off the canning line before she had 251 00:16:07.720 --> 00:16:10.679 a to Houston this morning. Oh wow, And I appreciate you, thank 252 00:16:10.679 --> 00:16:14.440 you, Amy. Wow that I wish I had a candle that smell like 253 00:16:14.519 --> 00:16:17.240 this. I'm a big candle I'm a big candle guy. Yeah, I'm 254 00:16:17.279 --> 00:16:21.879 a huge candle guy. It's just that combination of resine citrusinus. It's so 255 00:16:22.000 --> 00:16:26.159 good, Amy, that's good. Yeah. The finish is really nice. 256 00:16:26.960 --> 00:16:30.720 Yeah wow. Okay, So so this is a limited edition you said, 257 00:16:30.240 --> 00:16:36.559 secret stash IPA and double dry hops. Yeah, just playing with more and 258 00:16:36.720 --> 00:16:40.159 new ways of doing hops. I'm a fan. I mean not that I 259 00:16:40.279 --> 00:16:42.559 wasn't going to be, because I've always been a fan of Stash. I 260 00:16:42.639 --> 00:16:45.799 have a rich history of a stash. Yeah. Um, but wow, 261 00:16:45.879 --> 00:16:48.799 that's that's really good. And I know people are saying, God, James, 262 00:16:48.840 --> 00:16:52.039 you're just saying that because they're in studio. Shut up, No, 263 00:16:52.159 --> 00:16:55.639 there, it's really good. And uh, okay, what's ABV on this 264 00:16:55.720 --> 00:16:59.000 one? Six point five? Okay? I like this? And will this 265 00:16:59.120 --> 00:17:03.240 be available? So yeah, it's going to be shipping out. Our distributors 266 00:17:03.279 --> 00:17:07.200 to be picking up next week and we'll just be trying to make sure to 267 00:17:07.279 --> 00:17:11.519 get it to different pockets pockets of Texas. And it's a limited run. 268 00:17:11.799 --> 00:17:15.480 Yeah, it's a sixty barrel batch. So it's just a single batch that 269 00:17:15.599 --> 00:17:18.640 we did. And um, like I said, it's really about exploration, 270 00:17:18.799 --> 00:17:22.720 like you have to continue just to see what you know, all these hop 271 00:17:22.720 --> 00:17:26.200 growers and processors are, you know, spending a lot of their energy and 272 00:17:26.319 --> 00:17:29.839 R and D trying to figure out how to make it to where we get 273 00:17:29.880 --> 00:17:33.720 better flavor and more enhancements out of all these things. So it's exciting to 274 00:17:33.799 --> 00:17:36.440 work with them and just see what we can do. Wow. Yeah, 275 00:17:36.559 --> 00:17:38.400 I um, I'm speechless. I don't really know what to say. I 276 00:17:38.440 --> 00:17:41.319 don't I mean, I don't know what to say. I'm just glad I 277 00:17:41.359 --> 00:17:44.880 got to bring it to you. Yeah, I'm I'm happy I don't have 278 00:17:45.000 --> 00:17:48.200 a a I'm happy I don't have a co host yet took it and put 279 00:17:48.240 --> 00:17:51.279 it in his car and said, what secret stash? Because that's happened before. 280 00:17:52.440 --> 00:17:53.359 I don't know if we have new listeners. But once upon a time, 281 00:17:53.400 --> 00:17:59.359 Stephanie, I mean no Amy, Amy came in studio and she brought 282 00:17:59.440 --> 00:18:04.039 some ash and we had a former co host and he secretly took the stash 283 00:18:06.079 --> 00:18:11.079 and uh put it. I guess she sta stayed away and then he left 284 00:18:11.200 --> 00:18:18.759 us one um like one one stash. And so Stephanie, another hard hitting 285 00:18:18.839 --> 00:18:22.640 question for you. Okay, okay, drunk shopped? Drunk shopped? Have 286 00:18:22.720 --> 00:18:26.519 you ever had a few beers, had a happy hour and then jumped on 287 00:18:26.599 --> 00:18:30.759 Amazon and purchased Oh I thought you were gonna be like grocery shop. Well 288 00:18:30.839 --> 00:18:32.640 that too, we'll get into that too. We'll get into that too. 289 00:18:32.720 --> 00:18:34.720 Look at Brian holesen coming in KPRC Channel two. Is this a fresh glass 290 00:18:34.799 --> 00:18:38.880 right here? Yeah? Here grab that, Brian Holsen. Oh, we're 291 00:18:40.039 --> 00:18:44.480 sorry, we got a new secret stash right here. Okay, drunk shop, 292 00:18:44.599 --> 00:18:47.640 So you've had you went to happy hour and then got on the Amazon 293 00:18:47.759 --> 00:18:52.559 and started purchasing things weirdly enough to not do that. I'm like, nope, 294 00:18:52.599 --> 00:18:55.319 I'm not even gonna go there. I don't I don't get on that 295 00:18:55.400 --> 00:18:57.240 because I was like, I don't want to be trying to remember what I 296 00:18:57.319 --> 00:19:02.680 did. So you never you never gone the happy hour and a little liquid 297 00:19:02.720 --> 00:19:04.480 courage. You're like, you know what's been in my cart? I'm thinking 298 00:19:04.759 --> 00:19:10.359 pull the trigger? Get that? No? Really, okay, it's probably 299 00:19:10.559 --> 00:19:11.960 I mean in my earlier career before beer, you know, I worked on 300 00:19:12.000 --> 00:19:15.799 shopping carts and early web stuff, and it's like, no, I just 301 00:19:15.960 --> 00:19:18.839 know, it's like all that stuff can be I already have enough vices. 302 00:19:18.880 --> 00:19:22.519 I don't need to be addicted to shopping. Yeah, so no too much 303 00:19:22.559 --> 00:19:27.440 online shopping. So one of three people say that they have drunk shop before. 304 00:19:27.599 --> 00:19:30.440 Yeah, now going to the grocery store totally different. All right, 305 00:19:30.480 --> 00:19:33.480 let's talk about Okay, let's talk about the grocery store because a lot of 306 00:19:33.559 --> 00:19:37.680 times you're hungry. Yeah, well, they say, never go to grocery 307 00:19:37.680 --> 00:19:40.720 store hungry. Yeah, well I think that sort of like the drunk shopping 308 00:19:41.319 --> 00:19:42.599 is sort of like being hungry at the grocery store too, you know. 309 00:19:42.920 --> 00:19:45.599 Yeah, so uh, you know, getting a ride there, You're like, 310 00:19:45.839 --> 00:19:48.440 also, don't have to be that responsible, you know what I mean. 311 00:19:48.480 --> 00:19:51.599 If you're drunk and you're somebody else took you to the grocery store, 312 00:19:51.599 --> 00:19:55.119 you're like, you're just milling around like everything looks good. That's where I 313 00:19:55.359 --> 00:19:56.799 would spend too much money in that scenario, because it's like, you, 314 00:19:56.920 --> 00:20:00.759 what about the what about what about the seven These grocery stores have bars at 315 00:20:00.799 --> 00:20:06.960 them and they serve beer, like Whole Foods Foods did that guilty of having 316 00:20:06.960 --> 00:20:07.920 a beer, having a pint? And you know, we used to have 317 00:20:08.000 --> 00:20:11.559 to do pint nights bars like that. So I'd say that's the only time 318 00:20:11.559 --> 00:20:15.799 I really felt that way. I don't know, I don't really buy pin 319 00:20:15.920 --> 00:20:18.839 some beer while I'm shopping and walk around. I don't really do either. 320 00:20:18.920 --> 00:20:22.559 But I got a lot of emails from listeners that said that they've been guilty 321 00:20:22.599 --> 00:20:26.319 of that. I mean, I could see the appeal. It's just something 322 00:20:26.440 --> 00:20:29.160 like I've just never done because it's like I've been always been on the other 323 00:20:29.279 --> 00:20:33.559 side, like serving the beer. Stephanie, are you guilty of having a 324 00:20:33.599 --> 00:20:36.119 few beers and going you know what, Okay, I'll take that. Oh 325 00:20:36.200 --> 00:20:40.160 yeah, and I forget yeah, that's what normally happens. That's a normal 326 00:20:40.240 --> 00:20:42.559 And then all of a sudden you get a you get a notification that you 327 00:20:42.720 --> 00:20:48.119 have a delivery, and you go, oh, yeah, what's the biggest 328 00:20:48.119 --> 00:20:52.640 purchase that you've You've bought maybe a few beers, and a very expensive piece 329 00:20:52.680 --> 00:20:55.880 of furniture showed up. I remembered that I bought it, but I played 330 00:20:56.000 --> 00:21:00.200 dumb until it came and it was well, that was that was on the 331 00:21:00.279 --> 00:21:04.759 list of purchases that people buy after consuming. It's furniture. Yeah. So 332 00:21:06.119 --> 00:21:08.400 yeah, and they said the average is about they spent about three hundred dollars. 333 00:21:08.559 --> 00:21:15.799 Oh, I wish it's only three Yeah, So I'm guilty of this. 334 00:21:15.039 --> 00:21:18.160 I am. So I'll put things in my cart and then I'll go. 335 00:21:18.599 --> 00:21:22.240 This happened a few weeks ago. A buddy of ours had a fortieth 336 00:21:22.319 --> 00:21:25.920 birthday party and we went out for it and had some beers, and I 337 00:21:26.000 --> 00:21:27.920 came back. Actually Brian gave me a ride home that night, and I 338 00:21:29.079 --> 00:21:32.680 came home and everybody had already went to bed, and so I'm I'm on 339 00:21:32.759 --> 00:21:34.000 the couch and I'm just going through Amazon, and I had some stuff in 340 00:21:34.039 --> 00:21:36.920 my cart and I was like, you know, what I needed for my 341 00:21:36.960 --> 00:21:38.240 studio, and I ended up buying it and I forgot about it, and 342 00:21:38.279 --> 00:21:41.279 then they got delivered and so I just got I was like, Oh, 343 00:21:41.480 --> 00:21:45.279 how's anybody ever drunk shop before? Or you know, buzz shot whatever it 344 00:21:45.400 --> 00:21:48.720 is. I get a lot of home organizing stuff too, Like I have 345 00:21:48.839 --> 00:21:52.440 a couple of cocktails or beers and I'm like, oh, I need to 346 00:21:52.599 --> 00:21:57.720 organize this, and then the Amazon boxes of organization stuff that, and then 347 00:21:59.079 --> 00:22:02.359 do you realize, like maybe I don't need this? Oh yeah. I 348 00:22:02.400 --> 00:22:06.039 would be the type so many returns if I'm looking at stuff on my phone, 349 00:22:06.279 --> 00:22:08.079 you know, I'm in that kind of zone, like I scroll way 350 00:22:08.119 --> 00:22:11.880 too much though, Like I'll just look at it forever. I'll like look 351 00:22:11.920 --> 00:22:17.079 at options until I'm like I'm exhaustible going to bed. I wish I had 352 00:22:17.119 --> 00:22:19.839 the discipline to do that. I don't though I can't, especially especially when 353 00:22:19.839 --> 00:22:22.440 it stuff is like you know what, I kind of want that, all 354 00:22:22.559 --> 00:22:26.880 right. See. I'll wind up also, though, like trying to pick 355 00:22:26.920 --> 00:22:30.039 a show out like on Netflix or any streaming service. I'll just sit there 356 00:22:30.839 --> 00:22:33.279 looking forever, right, and then finally get tired and be like I'm going 357 00:22:33.319 --> 00:22:38.960 to bed. So you said furniture organizing. What else? Wine? Because 358 00:22:38.960 --> 00:22:45.920 I can ship wine to to Texas, so sometimes I'll sometimes I'll do the 359 00:22:45.039 --> 00:22:48.920 wine. The wine. Yeah, she's got to scare look at her face, 360 00:22:49.000 --> 00:22:52.960 like, yeah, I'm expensive, expensive bottle of wine. The worst 361 00:22:53.079 --> 00:22:56.920 is I got I did some drunk shopping and then I went on a week 362 00:22:56.039 --> 00:23:00.839 trip oh Texas, and I came home and the show, like the shipping 363 00:23:00.960 --> 00:23:04.000 was yeah. Yeah, the entire dating room at table, it's covered. 364 00:23:04.039 --> 00:23:10.039 My husband's like, is this like really the reality of Like yeah, so 365 00:23:10.279 --> 00:23:15.759 apparently, yeah, seventeen percent of Americans have m have purchased stuff after having 366 00:23:15.920 --> 00:23:19.880 too many beverages. But yeah, so apparently the biggest items shoes, clothes, 367 00:23:21.160 --> 00:23:26.599 accessories, food, and then some people bought things like cigarettes, gambling, 368 00:23:26.839 --> 00:23:30.839 and more alcohol. Yeah I could see gambling, feel good. But 369 00:23:32.039 --> 00:23:36.680 vehicle artwork, furniture in vehicles. I guess they did a carbona Carvana. 370 00:23:36.720 --> 00:23:40.799 I don't know, but seventeen Americans, yeah, by a car. But 371 00:23:40.880 --> 00:23:45.160 yeah, seventeen percent of Americans have drunk shops in the past year. Okay, 372 00:23:45.400 --> 00:23:48.680 all right, speaking of wine being shipped, next question, there's this 373 00:23:48.799 --> 00:23:52.559 push grind now going right, now beers to you. Now, this is 374 00:23:52.720 --> 00:23:59.039 a they're lobbying right now for breweries to be able to ship beer directly to 375 00:23:59.119 --> 00:24:03.160 the consumer. Thoughts on that, Well, I think it should be because 376 00:24:03.240 --> 00:24:04.759 why I can do it. I think it should be allowed, and that 377 00:24:04.799 --> 00:24:10.799 would be the rationalization is that we now have many years of history of wineries 378 00:24:10.839 --> 00:24:14.920 being able to have wine clubs and ship wine directs, so and it hasn't 379 00:24:15.680 --> 00:24:18.680 you know, there's you could have your point of view on what it is 380 00:24:18.759 --> 00:24:22.000 in the industry, but I think for consumers that you know, they want 381 00:24:22.079 --> 00:24:26.160 that ability, they would It's a lot more convenient to order something to be 382 00:24:26.240 --> 00:24:30.319 delivered to you from a brewery you might have visited while you were in a 383 00:24:30.359 --> 00:24:32.480 trip and you're like, hey, I really like that. I'd like to 384 00:24:32.519 --> 00:24:34.559 continue to support them. You know, I really like their beer. You 385 00:24:34.599 --> 00:24:38.039 know, it's not like I'm going to drive three hours to Houston stop by 386 00:24:38.079 --> 00:24:41.680 that. You know the likelihood of that versus being able to order somem and 387 00:24:41.720 --> 00:24:45.000 getting it shipped your house. I think you'd have a dual benefit. Like 388 00:24:45.119 --> 00:24:47.839 the consumer, if they want something or they've heard about something, they want 389 00:24:47.880 --> 00:24:49.319 to try it, you know, they should have that ability to do that 390 00:24:49.440 --> 00:24:55.079 easily. And then number two just it's I think it just like wineries seem 391 00:24:55.160 --> 00:24:57.200 to have this relationship with their customers, you know, because they had their 392 00:24:57.359 --> 00:25:00.400 members of the club and you just get to know them. I think that 393 00:25:00.960 --> 00:25:03.920 as a brewery, it would be awesome to be able to have that experience 394 00:25:04.400 --> 00:25:07.599 with people that just really enjoy your beer. I think, you know, 395 00:25:07.680 --> 00:25:11.279 one of the things that was really like a joy of self distributing, which 396 00:25:11.359 --> 00:25:14.480 is kind of hard saying that. I guess it's a lot of work. 397 00:25:15.079 --> 00:25:18.640 It was you just spend so much time with your customers and you get to 398 00:25:18.720 --> 00:25:22.839 know them so well, and you know, you just had that direct relationship. 399 00:25:22.279 --> 00:25:26.279 And I think that ms aside from all the financial stuff, that would 400 00:25:26.319 --> 00:25:30.680 you know, benefit breweries. I think that, you know, I look 401 00:25:30.720 --> 00:25:33.720 to that it's like, you know, being able to get feedback directly from 402 00:25:33.839 --> 00:25:37.039 people buying your beer, what they like, if they had an issue. 403 00:25:37.200 --> 00:25:41.119 You know. Just I think that goes it helps make us better. Independ 404 00:25:41.240 --> 00:25:44.480 is brewing in the house, Amy cart Rice steffy Meyer talking about beers, 405 00:25:44.519 --> 00:25:47.680 do you have gotten a lot of calls from people like, hey, can 406 00:25:47.759 --> 00:25:52.160 I order beer? So our number one requested beer is high Boy. Oh 407 00:25:52.240 --> 00:25:56.240 yeah, I can see that people see it and they've heard about it, 408 00:25:56.319 --> 00:26:00.519 and especially like in groups where they're really trying to it's you know, those 409 00:26:00.519 --> 00:26:04.759 are all limited releases, the rotational nineteen twos, so people are trying to 410 00:26:04.799 --> 00:26:08.599 track it down and so you know, so you have one audience that's just 411 00:26:08.720 --> 00:26:15.119 like obsessed with double IPAs by and far, and then you have actually like 412 00:26:15.279 --> 00:26:22.400 people that are in truck enthusiasts that you know, own a highbaway truck or 413 00:26:22.599 --> 00:26:26.559 go to those kind of meetups. And so there's actually a secondary fan base 414 00:26:26.279 --> 00:26:30.240 for us, which is like they own high Boys, like they love highway 415 00:26:30.319 --> 00:26:34.799 culture. And that's what's on the label. If you look at the Highways 416 00:26:34.880 --> 00:26:38.000 truck, it's a truck. Yeah, so there's one in there, yeah 417 00:26:38.599 --> 00:26:42.599 brought Yeah, oh look let's do that. So uh yeah. So this 418 00:26:42.720 --> 00:26:48.279 is all new to me because I wasn't aware that breweries couldn't ship, or 419 00:26:48.720 --> 00:26:51.720 because I don't know, I just always assume that it could. I never 420 00:26:51.720 --> 00:26:53.240 really thought about it before. So I mean, I think a lot of 421 00:26:53.279 --> 00:26:57.759 it. What always helps me remember is like, okay, is the government 422 00:26:57.799 --> 00:27:00.640 getting their taxes? Like that's a pipe, you know, yes, or 423 00:27:00.720 --> 00:27:03.960 no, So it's like the problem with the current setup would be like I 424 00:27:04.039 --> 00:27:07.359 mean, first and foremost, there would just be that part of the transaction 425 00:27:07.400 --> 00:27:11.359 it's legal at retail, like retailers can do it. So that's why you 426 00:27:11.440 --> 00:27:15.519 have the third parties that it cropped up like drizzly because everybody's getting right the 427 00:27:15.559 --> 00:27:18.559 government entities are getting their taxes in that scenario, Why do you think it 428 00:27:18.720 --> 00:27:23.119 wouldn't pass if they decided no, that's not a good idea. Why? 429 00:27:23.119 --> 00:27:26.440 I mean because in two thousand and seven I read that wine was you can 430 00:27:26.720 --> 00:27:30.599 ship wine. Stephanie was talking about how she's guilty of doing that after you 431 00:27:30.640 --> 00:27:33.039 know, have a few drinks. But why why is do you think beer 432 00:27:33.519 --> 00:27:40.200 hasn't been at um what you know, behind the scenes, and you look 433 00:27:40.240 --> 00:27:44.200 at how the industry works in a state like Texas, you know, it 434 00:27:44.359 --> 00:27:48.400 really comes down to the three tier system. And you know, there's a 435 00:27:48.440 --> 00:27:52.559 lot of legacy and history of how the laws were written, especially you know, 436 00:27:52.720 --> 00:27:56.680 post prohibition. So there's I think number one, there's just people who 437 00:27:56.759 --> 00:28:03.240 are opposed to beer to go. Are you know, concerned about their business 438 00:28:03.359 --> 00:28:06.799 that they've built up in their rights and you know, I think they also 439 00:28:07.000 --> 00:28:10.519 sometimes worry that it's going to trigger other changes that wouldn't beneficial for them. 440 00:28:10.640 --> 00:28:14.920 So you know a lot of times the tho those are the counter arguments that 441 00:28:15.000 --> 00:28:18.039 will be presented, and I think that. I mean, I know a 442 00:28:18.119 --> 00:28:22.000 lot of wineries where they don't have the type of their distributor network that they 443 00:28:22.039 --> 00:28:26.039 work with is not as strong as the beer distributor network. So I mean 444 00:28:26.480 --> 00:28:30.960 it's a complex. It's more complex than it would seem. But I think 445 00:28:32.000 --> 00:28:34.359 the point is is that consumers don't really care and they want to get what 446 00:28:34.440 --> 00:28:37.240 they want to get. You know. It's like, so we want to 447 00:28:37.319 --> 00:28:41.960 serve us our customer base, and in an era where beer sales are down, 448 00:28:41.160 --> 00:28:45.160 I think that overall, it's like we have to look at meeting people 449 00:28:45.200 --> 00:28:48.839 where they are, you know, and it's like even if so we have 450 00:28:48.960 --> 00:28:52.440 to figure out a way to work with both interests like that brewers and distributors 451 00:28:52.480 --> 00:28:57.640 and retailers all have to come to a scenario that they win. Do you 452 00:28:57.720 --> 00:29:03.279 think it will be passed eventually? I think it has a very strong possibility, 453 00:29:03.400 --> 00:29:07.519 just because of I do think consumer sentiment. I mean, our representatives 454 00:29:07.559 --> 00:29:11.960 represent their districts, not just interests. So I mean, I think that 455 00:29:12.279 --> 00:29:15.240 it doesn't. It's just like when Growler stuff all got sorted out, like 456 00:29:17.160 --> 00:29:21.279 honestly, like in beer to go, like customers didn't understand. And especially 457 00:29:21.319 --> 00:29:22.880 because a lot of them, you know, a lot of people have moved 458 00:29:22.920 --> 00:29:26.599 to Texas in the last ten years, and so they might be from an 459 00:29:26.640 --> 00:29:29.480 area where the laws are very different, and so they're like, well, 460 00:29:29.519 --> 00:29:32.759 this is dumb. Why can't we do this? Yeah, but I mean 461 00:29:32.839 --> 00:29:37.039 I do think that I would say, it's hard to say this year, 462 00:29:37.039 --> 00:29:41.599 I haven't. I honestly like there's a lot of Unfortunately, with the political 463 00:29:41.640 --> 00:29:45.480 system, a lot of things just don't get on the table. They don't 464 00:29:45.480 --> 00:29:48.440 get scheduled for votes, and they don't make it out of anything. So 465 00:29:48.759 --> 00:29:52.400 I think that's the one downside is that we have messed up property taxes and 466 00:29:52.559 --> 00:29:56.440 school districts stuff to sort out, you know what I mean. And this 467 00:29:56.559 --> 00:29:59.880 think that there's bigger priorities, So it's hard to say. I feel like, 468 00:30:00.279 --> 00:30:02.480 I feel like this is a high priority. You know, I would 469 00:30:02.720 --> 00:30:06.039 somebody comes and visits Independence Brewery and they like the High Boy and they you 470 00:30:06.079 --> 00:30:07.279 know, they live in Michigan. They should be able to get it. 471 00:30:07.640 --> 00:30:12.000 Yeah. I think that also because there are seemingly third party networks that are 472 00:30:12.079 --> 00:30:15.960 doing direct shipping. You know what I mean. It's like think you were 473 00:30:15.000 --> 00:30:18.160 in an scenariose where it's not fair that you know, it's some but not 474 00:30:18.319 --> 00:30:22.240 all, you know what I mean. It's like somehow some people are winning 475 00:30:22.240 --> 00:30:25.079 in that. All right, last question, I know you guys are busy. 476 00:30:25.440 --> 00:30:29.640 Last question thoughts on mixed twelve packs. Well, we have a mixed 477 00:30:29.640 --> 00:30:33.359 twelve pack. Yeah, it's done the same way. I think that what 478 00:30:33.480 --> 00:30:38.480 people don't necessarily understand about that is just that even at large scale breweries it's 479 00:30:38.480 --> 00:30:45.000 hand packed. Yeah, because they're the technology of sorting to assemble a mixed 480 00:30:45.000 --> 00:30:49.200 twelve packs actually really complicated, and you know, a casebox erectors are notoriously 481 00:30:49.359 --> 00:30:55.480 for failing. So I am a huge fan of mixed twelve packs, huge 482 00:30:55.599 --> 00:31:00.559 fan, and I like mixed twelve packs for especially a family gathering parties. 483 00:31:00.640 --> 00:31:04.599 It's there's something in there, there's it's nice having variety. And so my 484 00:31:04.799 --> 00:31:08.119 question you is, how do you decide what beers will go into a mixed 485 00:31:08.279 --> 00:31:11.160 twelve pack? Well, I'm gonna start if I was just going to put 486 00:31:11.200 --> 00:31:14.799 on my like Hey, I'm just a drinker hat for a minute. And 487 00:31:14.920 --> 00:31:18.359 it's like, I've always thought that it was pretty clever, like Shiner having 488 00:31:18.519 --> 00:31:22.799 like the Christmas pack, you know, but it wasn't all dark multi beers, 489 00:31:22.960 --> 00:31:25.640 you know what I mean. It seemed really well designed for like a 490 00:31:25.720 --> 00:31:30.200 family gathering. So I think seasonality is nice when if you're big enough to 491 00:31:30.240 --> 00:31:33.839 pull that off, Like I do think that's a nice way like or hey, 492 00:31:34.000 --> 00:31:37.880 we're going to the beach, here's my beach pack or something, you 493 00:31:37.960 --> 00:31:41.000 know, not that we have. You guys are a lot closer to beach 494 00:31:41.039 --> 00:31:44.480 than Yeah, I am an Austin, but I you have the lakes out 495 00:31:44.480 --> 00:31:48.000 there though in Austin. Yeah, So I do think that as a consumer, 496 00:31:48.039 --> 00:31:52.079 I really like when they can be tailored to the season. Um. 497 00:31:52.319 --> 00:31:56.119 But I also think just having um, you know, at least one offering 498 00:31:56.160 --> 00:32:00.079 on the lighter side. I like copy beers, so I would want more 499 00:32:00.160 --> 00:32:04.039 hoppy slot. I think years and years ago, we took this trip to 500 00:32:04.119 --> 00:32:07.680 Colorado before we started the brewery, and uh um, I want to say 501 00:32:08.039 --> 00:32:10.440 one of the brewers in Colorado had a mixed twelve but it was a mystery 502 00:32:10.480 --> 00:32:15.160 pack. Oh and I was also we went in we're camping through Colorado, 503 00:32:15.599 --> 00:32:21.720 opened the damn twelve pack and it's all blonde except for like two IPAs, 504 00:32:21.759 --> 00:32:25.200 and I was like, rip off right one. Yeah, that was a 505 00:32:25.319 --> 00:32:29.920 negative experience with the mixed twelve. The mystery pack Mix twelve is no go 506 00:32:30.359 --> 00:32:35.000 Okay, it sucks. Good advice from Amy Cartwright of Independence Brewing Company. 507 00:32:35.480 --> 00:32:37.279 I can go on and on with you guys. What about you? What's 508 00:32:37.319 --> 00:32:43.680 your like perfect mixed twelve? My perfect mix twelve is a light to dark. 509 00:32:44.359 --> 00:32:49.319 So if I can get maybe a couple um colchas maybe and then have 510 00:32:49.440 --> 00:32:52.359 it like added an amber an ipa and then I have like a stout and 511 00:32:52.440 --> 00:32:55.599 there. Yeah, just a couple across the board. Yeah, those are 512 00:32:55.720 --> 00:33:00.200 nice. Yeah, I don't know, but I found my h on a 513 00:33:00.240 --> 00:33:05.200 hoppy fixed where you know, I'll go grab a hobby mixed well pack and 514 00:33:06.000 --> 00:33:07.880 but I don't know. Usually I like the ones that have the variety styles, 515 00:33:08.279 --> 00:33:13.400 the variety styles. But uh we we read on a trend that this 516 00:33:13.839 --> 00:33:16.279 is continuing to be a it's gonna want more popular where it just be like 517 00:33:16.400 --> 00:33:20.960 loggers and IPAs. Yeah, and I don't want to just loggers, but 518 00:33:21.000 --> 00:33:22.960 I want to mix in there. I would like, I know, you 519 00:33:22.000 --> 00:33:25.519 know, I want an amber in there or something. Even though yeah, 520 00:33:25.559 --> 00:33:30.960 I know, all right, I appreciate you guys want to do Yeah, 521 00:33:30.000 --> 00:33:32.599 okay, we do one more, but I know that, uh, I 522 00:33:32.680 --> 00:33:36.920 gotta go assume. But all right, this is the high boy Mosaic. 523 00:33:37.160 --> 00:33:38.400 We can just drink it without talking about No, no, I want to 524 00:33:38.440 --> 00:33:40.359 talk about. I want to talk about. I have you guys here, 525 00:33:40.759 --> 00:33:45.799 and so I'm gonna I'm gonna do a Chris Brawley poor. I'm just kiddy 526 00:33:47.039 --> 00:33:50.039 a little behind the scenes. So I used to have a co host who 527 00:33:50.039 --> 00:33:53.240 would pour the whole his whole glassful and then hand the rest and then it'd 528 00:33:53.240 --> 00:33:57.480 be like no beer left. But I mean, this is a we got 529 00:33:57.680 --> 00:34:01.680 enough enough enough go Brian holes and hanging out with us as well. But 530 00:34:01.839 --> 00:34:06.680 yeah, mosaic, this is more classic. It's definitely like the malt backbone 531 00:34:06.720 --> 00:34:09.360 that you expect when you're tasting a double ipa. So it's you know, 532 00:34:09.519 --> 00:34:14.360 definitely a little bit more on the golden dark range of color, and uh, 533 00:34:14.920 --> 00:34:19.000 mosaic just as a it's it's not super new anymore, but I think 534 00:34:19.000 --> 00:34:22.119 it's just a super popular hop it is so with this series. We just 535 00:34:22.400 --> 00:34:23.880 you know, a lot of times you want to design a beer just to 536 00:34:24.000 --> 00:34:29.159 highlight, you know, the particular hop we're working with, so tropical. 537 00:34:29.440 --> 00:34:30.840 Yeah, it's interesting. I have to admit this one's kind of hard to 538 00:34:30.840 --> 00:34:34.400 taste now after I know, after the secret stash, I know, we 539 00:34:34.559 --> 00:34:38.480 kind of waiting. I know I would have fail here at studios. Oh 540 00:34:38.559 --> 00:34:44.159 there you go. All right, Um, Stephanie Amy, Independence Body, 541 00:34:44.159 --> 00:34:45.760 thank you guys for so much for stopping by studios. Always a pleasure of 542 00:34:45.800 --> 00:34:50.079 having you guys in. We can go on forever with you, guys. 543 00:34:50.199 --> 00:34:52.679 I have so many I have more questions, but we got we gotta go. 544 00:34:52.880 --> 00:34:54.320 But uh, let's do it again. All right, let's do it 545 00:34:54.320 --> 00:34:58.559 again. If you're ever in the Austin area, stop by Independence Brewing. 546 00:34:58.639 --> 00:35:02.000 The hospitality, it's fun, an atmosphere, it's welcoming, it's welcoming. 547 00:35:02.079 --> 00:35:05.920 It's a weird welcoming place. It's a welcoming place. It is a welcoming 548 00:35:05.960 --> 00:35:07.480 place. And they've been around for how many years? Since two thousand and 549 00:35:07.480 --> 00:35:10.159 four. It's easier just to say that now. Instead they're trying to do 550 00:35:10.199 --> 00:35:13.360 the mass since two thousand and four, so they know a thing or two. 551 00:35:13.679 --> 00:35:15.840 But again, thank you guys for stopping by the studio. I'm gonna 552 00:35:15.840 --> 00:35:17.960 take pictures of this and I'll post it to my social media and I you 553 00:35:17.960 --> 00:35:21.559 can get your hands on the secret Stash. Get your hands on the secret 554 00:35:21.599 --> 00:35:25.320 Stash. Hear it? What's on tap radio? We know two types of 555 00:35:25.400 --> 00:35:30.880 people, those you drink with and those that make you drink. Oh, 556 00:35:30.199 --> 00:35:35.800 your parents are coming for the weekend. Either way, we're drinking.