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three, allegedly according to that thing we call a calendar, and I bet
if you're a regular listener to the show, you can hear already that I
have been under the weather and still am. But we're we're dragging me to
the mic tonight. We're gonna make sure that we do a show. My
co host Bpete is with me. If I didn't have a co host,
I would have bailed on this one as well, because screw it. I
can barely talk. I've been suffering from fevers. I'm pulling things together and
trying to keep it going so off the top, let's see how we can
do this. You guys could help me out by calling in and doing the
talking, but because you haven't heard from me much this week at all anywhere
in any ways, they perform also had internet down and all kinds of problems
too. But anyway, all this stuff going on, uh, it feels
like odd and fun timing. And by the way, I'm not the only
one who's sick. But we'll get to that. Actually, funny thing is
I got a report from somebody who was at the conference who is you know,
very much in line with the regular sort of Corona reality, and they
went and got themselves tested. They are positive for the for the rona and
all that kind of thing after the conference. But okay, so could be
that that was traveling around at the conference. I guess mister coffing Man didn't
just give us a cold. Be pete. Anyway, I need you guys
to call in and participate, otherwise we'll run this We'll run this thing short
tonight, the hell with it, because yeah, still not up for it.
But next week, whether I'm up for it or not, I have
to make this show roll. I had to delay everything this week because I
just you know, two out of it jacked up fevers, pounding headaches.
There was no way I was gonna think straight, do a proper show,
or do anything correctly. So it didn't get done this week. But we're
gonna put out some podcasts. I got another if you're a rated Why listener,
I got a Rated Why coming up. I've got a bunch of stuff
that needs to get out there, needs to get done, and December is
when we're gonna heat it all up. So let's roll it, because twenty
twenty four is going to be a big year on ohlly dot com one way
or another. Anyway, your help tonight with this show. You talk three
one nine five two seven five zero one six. That's the number to call.
Three one nine five two seven five zero one six. You join us,
You become the show tonight, because I dare say that even though be
Pete might be in slightly better shape than me, I don't think it's that
much better because, uh, my understanding is you might have suffered over this
ten day period, is well well, and I barely have any news on
my mind outside of what George Santos got him self bounced finally. Huh yeah,
so that's interesting, interesting politicking there in Congress maybe, and what the
network TVs are doing with it is funny. But outside of that, I
haven't cared, haven't looked. I mean, we could be involved in a
new war and I would not know it, but the shape I've been in
this week, so hopefully that's not true. But then again, the way
things go, even if it was reported or wasn't, it could or could
not be true. What was that oh right, rumors of wars and wars
of brumers always going on. Are we at war with Oceania? Does Oceania
exist? By the way, is Eurasia at war with us? Are they
the enemy? What time is that minute of hate? Yeah? Why not?
We could go there nineteen eighty four New World, Brave, New World,
that is, mix them together, throw them in a pot and spit
them back at you. Maybe not nine five two seven five zero one six,
or reach out to me Charles dot Ocelli on Skype. I will drag
you into the show. But otherwise three one nine five two seven five zero
one six, join us, b Pete. I turn it over to you,
my brother. What is on your mind? What do you have to
say to open the Friday open mic? Well, since we've heard from the
whib side of the the man Flu, you know you just guys like you
chucked that. Let's women give us a bad name about overacting when we're six.
Oh. Now, I've had what you've had since we well since Monday
when I got back after dropping you off and I told you it was coming,
and you're like, uh, I'm fine, no, no sniffles,
just my throat that was from talking I'm okay, and see what came back
to get you. It did. See, it had to give your body
and grow, and the virus just had to multiply enough to walk up to
all of your tea cells and everything else and basically sucker punched them. And
now you're dealing with sievers and headache and aches and pains, and it didn't
help. Your back was hurting on top of it. Let's see, I
went to work all week, all week long. Yes, went to work
feeling like crap. So I don't want to hear any complainting, none,
not any Wow, you want to cut it short, we'll cut it short.
But we got a few headlines we can go over and toss it around.
I'm feeling al of a lot better than I was last Friday, So
okay, Yes, there is a tunnel. You just got to let it
run its course. Yeah. Well, look, you started feeling like crap
on Monday, and you were blaming me for giving it to you, and
I said, wait a minute, I'm not in bad shape. Matter of
fact, I was okay. I started to you know, my throat was
hurting, but I should I breeder. See, you was fresh in your
system when you gave it to me, and that zapped your strength. He
had to cook a little more, and he had nobody else to give it
to except those in the household and the dogs, and boom, see it
caught up with you. So no matter, no matter what I say,
it's going to be my fault. Right, Well, you know, if
Frankie got sick for like two days, boom, he's better. I mean
you know that that that's what happens when you don't plunge a bunch of vaccinated
crap into him. Huh uh. Yeah, so he's okay. But uh
no. And I got reports from others that they that they had to actually,
you know, tested positive for the rona afterwards, and I'm like,
oh, bo but this this ain't rona. I've had rona. This a.
This is the flu. This is just a common variety of flu that
goes around. And somehow the one strain that would bother me happened to end
up in Dallas at the same time I did. Yeah, that I don't
have had in centuries. The last time I had anything that was close to
the flue was after taking a flu shot, and that was the last one
I've ever taken. I've never taken another one. I've never had a problem
to this year. So this is going around the creeping crad. Everybody's getting
out. It wouldn't surprise me that the RONA did make the rounds. That
was a lot of people at that hotel. Well, I still say it's
that guy who was outside with us though, going Oh by the way,
I'm sick and leaving, but let me talk and cough on you for a
minute. Anyway, I still say it's that guy. That guy's fault right
there, that's who did it. Seriously, he could have got it from
somebody else there and aim after being there one day, I've had this stuff
hit me. When I took that flu shot. We took it like seven
thirty in the morning. By five thirty that night, I was just like
I am now, nose running, like to say it, coughing like hell,
fevers, chills, I mean, the flu, aches and pains,
no doubt about it. And you know they tell me, you know you
can't get it from the sean. It's a coincidence that you caught it at
the very time that we gave you the vaccination. Okay, whatever, So
do you know how this is? I feel great compared to last week.
Last week, I was feeling bad. I mean, I sat here through
thanks and thank god there was football honor. I'd have gone absolutely crazy.
Yeah, but you are right. I am the wib site of the You
know what, when I go down, forget it. I'm down. That's
that's it. You know, let me sleep is pretty much where I go.
And you know, it used to be that I got over things quicker
than everybody, but now I'm getting old now, so it doesn't work that
way. When I was in Switzerland, I caught a brand of the flu
over there that was kind of unique. But I didn't catch it until everybody
else in the house had gone through it. And when they went it,
I thought they were going to die. It started with a sister, and
then the sister's boyfriend, and then the other sister, and then the mom
and then finally me. And when I had it, nobody else had it.
They were completely over it. So I had to start listening. She's
my girlfriend was from Great Britain, so I had to start hearing about bitching
about the man flu. And I thought I took care of every one of
you idiots for the past two weeks while this thing made the rounds and you
can't even give me two days to feel bad. Screw you sound like,
yeah, well no, there's a worldwide where is a worldwide effort to make
men feel guilty to being sick. And that's where all this man flu crap
comes from. Old man, they were were at where they just sick that
you know, they're just they're worst. Now that's bullshit. Okay, I
thought that's what you were saying about me. Meanwhile, we do have a
caller. You are a perfect example of why women complain about man flu.
You got to fight through it, you red bull or you know, drink
more coffee. Maybe that's the problem. You don't drink enough coffee. Don't
drink enough CoFe, you know, smoking enough cigarettes. Uh well, I
do admit that when I when I started to smoke more, I felt better.
But but you know it's and and I drank gatorade and I got back
listen, I did a lot of stuff, but I just wasn't my head
was not ready to be figuring out how to book everybody. You know,
it's just absolutely some pedia light. It does so much better bottle fies.
I mean, it's so much better for you just with a couple of small
bottles of the Pedia light. Knock one of those out of the day,
right, it really helps, well, And I did finally, I mean
after after about like four or five days, I finally had missus ogo get
you know, a couple over the counter things like let's cut down on some
of these symptoms, because it was ridiculous, it was running a long time.
Monday, when I got back the first place I stopped, I tried
to find some as I can, because I could feel it coming on in
my throat and I thought, okay, this is it. Man. I
couldn't find any of the store was and I didn't want to drive another twenty
miles I should have, right, So that's why I bought a bottle of
night Quill. And it took me two bottles of night Quill to get to
the point that I could, you know, feel human. Well, something's
going on in this part of Georgia too, because you know, all the
Zycam, all of the Zequill, all of the Nike will seem to have
been out of all of the stores locally, which, yeah, it's going
around. Then there's a pneumonia outbreak. I want to understand a couple of
States. I think we've got one out in the western board the state,
you know. I mean, it's that timing. You're gonna start catching stuff,
you know exactly. Look, and I had it a few times as
a kid because of poor living conditions. I had got pneumonia a few times.
So I've got you know, the scar and the lungs and that kind
of thing, which you know, how with it, I still have better
lung power than most people, which is weird because they always questioned me,
like, you've been smoking how long? When they test my lungs, you
know, when they do the lung tests, my lungs are still pretty strong,
so you know, even though the rest of me hurt and everything else.
Anyways, enough out of me and the complaints. Let's roll forward.
We got a caller, so I'm gonna bring him on and let him do
his job, or you know, one of his jobs. Anyways, and
we are going to get back to I've got backed up guests, all kinds
of stuff ready to roll, and there's gonna be some new features coming up
too. I've got a couple of people that have agreed so far to do
op ed pieces where we're gonna have very short podcasts from some interesting characters.
The first one of interest everybody will be Alan Dale, and he's going to
start doing at least a monthly installment onoceelly dot com and I am not giving
him any sort of script or guidelines. Whatever Alan Dale feels like people need
to be, you know, informed about, is gonna be what Alan Dale
talks about. And I've got a couple other people lined up that are gonna
do very short, like say, under twenty minute podcasts, which won't be
really podcasts, it will just be their op edd of sorts. Alongside of
publishing some articles on the front page. I published Mike Swanson's article before the
fevers grabbed me. And in December we're going to see all this start to
roll out. So there's gonna be more content coming at of ocelly dot com
than normal. And I'm gonna go back to my four day week schedule that
I planned on going to in the first place. So let's get to the
caller, and that would be Jimmy James. Jimmy, did you catch the
creeping crud that b Pete mentioned? It seems to be everywhere, you know
what. I'm the only one that has been stricken with it. Whatever's going
around. My buddy, he's got that same junk pretty bad. I do
agree with B Pete though it's not the rona, but it is like a
flu, and it's it's pretty it's a pretty good one. It's not like
a twenty four hour bug. It's a pretty massive one. I've been creeping
on it for ten days, I'm telling you. And I thought it was
okayone good everyone's saying it. It just lingers, it sticks. Yeah.
It was weird because I thought, you know, okay, sore throat,
and I was worn down. You know. I kept moving that whole weekend
and I put in a lot more work than I would normally, and physically
I didn't really sleep much and I did a lot, you know. So
I thought, I'm just worn out and my back hurts because it's a long
car ride, you know, And that's that. Uh. And Nbpete came
up sick and I said, okay, well maybe I'll get sick. And
I didn't expect, you know, ten days later, jeez, I'm just
kind of coming out of it now, still hurting, and you could hear
my voice is not right. But it's weird. It's weird, So you
haven't gotten stricken with the creeping crud. No, but if it makes you
feel better, I pretty much always had that jump. Okay, well it
doesn't make me feel any better, Jimmy, I don't want to see any
what he's sick, but look enough for a sick talk. Right, let's
let's get on with what is now. The only headline that I took notice
of in the weird reaction from the MSM so far is uh is Santo's getting
booted from the house? Right in politics and all that, I haven't been
paying attention to anything really this whole excuse me week? What do you want
to throw on the table? You'll you'll be informing me with something fresh and
new, whatever it is, go for it. I can't say I've been
too hot and heavy into the news this week for even a few weeks,
actually too much news. But I did see. I think they did toss
and I think Santos is out right right right definitely. And I'll tell you
the you know, the JFK week stuff. I still have follow throughs.
This week we'll hear from Larry Hancock on the show. Oh no, no,
not Larry this week. Actually, next week will be Larry Hancock this
week. We'll hear from Mike on the show on Thursday about probably a little
bit more about the conference and stuff like that. I'm gonna let some other
people fell in about that and a few other interesting people that came out of
that, but also some people of interest you might not expect to hear from
that we haven't heard from in a long time. And some new people have
approached me, So we're going to have some fresh guests coming up, and
it's gonna be gonna be an interesting couple of weeks here for sure. And
like I said, I hope to get this op Ed thing rolling so that
we have a small group of people that produce for you guys, you know,
very very random pieces of importance that we'll get introduced as like mini podcasts
too. So it's gonna be it's gonna be a good, rolling bit of
content, despite the fact that the past couple of weeks have been really lame.
I mean I was away for a week and then sick, so I
mean, I know, we barely put out anything, but it's about to
change. So uh, I hope you guys enjoy all that. Uh.
Anyways, but Jimmy so outside of that. I mean that, and what
football you had? Did the Lions lose their game and on Thanksgiving? I
I forgot? Let yes they good. Yes, it was a disgrace lost
to the Packers. I see. Well, I always think of that cartoon
where the guy says to the to the lion like a physical lion, he
goes, hey, wait a minute, Thanksgiving. Aren't you supposed to be
in Detroit losing a football game? I always think of that car So,
you know, I don't know. I think they said, they said,
this is the eighth or tenth one in the in the world we've lost.
That's pretty sad. Well, you know, tradition is tradition, Jimmy,
right, look at it. At least your teams one in ten like mine
is. So you're having a good year one in ten. Oh the Panthers
are doing that bad? Yeah? Hell yeah. They just fired the coach,
which I don't understand why they didn't do it before. Now, wait
a minute, so I'm scared. Does this mean that the Jets are doing
better than the Panthers right now if they have more than one win? Hell,
yes, that's horrible. If you know I think Jets, don't think
I'm gonna don't kick up. I'm gonna check the standings. Guys. I
gotta see this because I got to see where the Jets and the Browns are
standing. Because if your teams are not doing as well as the Jets,
are, the Browns your beat. I mean that's terrible. Sorry, well
everybody above the Panthers. So everybody's having a good year. And and the
thing is, look, even if we get another first round draft pick out
of it like we did last year, what good is it gonna do it?
I mean, that's terrible. Okay, Now, if I could speak
to missus Ford, missus Ford, you need to open up the pocketbook,
let the mosquet all float it out and everything here that thing out. Pull
out a few stacks of money. And we need some free agents to start
with dominn Sue. This isn't the time to cheap out. Don't say,
oh, next year, There is no next year. Okay, old woman,
this is it in our lifetime. This is our one stats. Okay.
Let me let me inform the listener in case. I know we don't
usually do football talk, but this is funny to me. The Carolina Panthers
are currently one in ten. The Jets are currently, they have four wins
the Jets. I just saw, So the Jets are doing better than the
Panthers. Now wait a minute, let's see about the Lions, because if
they're doing better than the Lions, I mean, it's bad. Well,
we won't mat and lost three. We're repeatable. We'll get the It's just
it's just a couple of games that the Lions had problems with. Otherwise they
d ten and one. I mean, they've had a pretty decent year.
But yes, they've got their act. On Thanksgiving they just happened. They
just had to take their Thanksgiving l But other than that, yeah, they're
they're at the top of their division. It looks like to me, so
that's not so bad. They just you know, you got to keep the
tradition. Jimmy James, I mean, what are you gonna do the Oh
my god, the Browns. You ready for this, guys, The Browns
have a seven and four season right now. That's aw bizarre. Yeah,
and uh, if it wasn't for the Revens, I'm sorry. The playoffs.
Just you're good. Everybody's surprised. The Brown's still carried over a lot
of talent, you know. They they've they've got a team. Instead of
being a bottom dweller, they're a mid dweller ended up doing the top,
you know, depending on which division you're looking at. But yeah, they've
got We've got a quality team this year. Look at what Seattle's doing,
you know, look at some of these big names. San Francisco has been
doing great since we sent all of our damn players to them. It's amazing.
But yeah, we're just relying on the draft again. I hope we
need I'm like Jimmy James. We need to, you know, so crow
bar and a wallet and start buying some free agents that are worth something instead
of dumping all your money on quarterbacks who can't stay in the pocket. What's
scary is if the Ravens were not at nine and three, the Browns could
potentially be leading their division because they're tied with the Steelers at seven and four
in the AFC North. Wild. Okay, well, you know, usually
it's like you don't even need to check with them. Cleveland Browns are doing
I mean, but that's wild. Okay, Well, I stand totally corrected.
But the Jets still with a poor losing season as per usual, better
shape than the Panthers though. Okay, always Buffalo has had some great games
and they started out big guns, but they've had a few games that they
should have won that that's knocked them back down the standings. I mean,
look at the look at the Giants, they're sucking this year. They look
at Jid Washington, they're sucking. Well. The Bills have a split season
six and six, so I mean they're you know, they're at five hundred,
they're okay, uh, but they're I don't think they're going to be
in the playoffs. The Dolphins are ant eating three. I mean, you
know, that's the way that is. But the Jets are definitely out of
it at four and seven. Uh. Anyways, it's just interesting to take
a look at it and unusual to me. If they won the rest of
their games, they'd be at what nine and nine and seven, they'd be
possibly wild card. They could do it. Yeah, Okay, well I
doubt they will though, because they're the Jets. But you know, okay,
fair enough. Oh, I got knocked out of my chat room.
By the way, we do have a live chatroom Atchelli dot com. And
no, we're not going to just talk football tonight. We will talk whatever
it is you guys bring up and by all means take over the show,
as you call in. So anyway, Jimmy, I pulled you around a
whole bunch of different things. Is there anything else on your mind though that
you saw that you noticed that you think should be discussed at the moment?
Let's see. So first day, are you guys going to be discussed in
that Limpkin article? Then yes, I was hoping to do that. So
you did see the Lumpkin article? You got the document and all that,
Yeah, okay, yeah, because I published it also, I republished on
o'celly dot com. Added a few more things there, including the file if
you want to download it for PDF, which I don't think Mike did,
but but I put it out. And the Assassination Records archive website also published
the article. So you know, it's not an exclusive, but it's an
interesting art. It's an interesting piece, don't you think? Yeah, okay,
I believe it. It sounds correct. Yeah, oh you know what
I mean? So Jimmy right that no one could identified supposedly, well,
he was invited to discuss things with the motorcade and all that, and nobody
could seem to figure out because according to other documents, somebody else was invited
to that meeting that also shouldn't have been there. There's some weird stuff going
on with regard to the Motorcate planning, you know, which again is interesting.
I don't know if it's going to reveal anything huge, but but you
never know, you know. More rocket kickover. Hey, I had a
question for you, actually, James, from a couple of weeks ago.
Well, yeah, just real quick, a couple of things. You had
mentioned that you might be able to lay your hands on a twenty six volume
set from the Warrant Commission. Have you made any progress with that? Not?
This week? Do you do all? The snow town has been pretty
empty every day? Okay, no problem. I was just wondering, because
yeah, I'm rooting for you man pretty much. If if the schools closed,
they close, they don't bother to work, okay in their two hour
workday. Yeah well yeah, a little bird civil servants, what are you
gonna do? But sure? All right? Well look keep me posted on
that though, because I love it when somebody gets ahold of them. You
know. The cheapest one I've seen is about twenty three hundred lately, for
a full set, you know, so if you can get a hold of
one small yeah, from nineteen sixty four, that costs fifteen hundred, So
I guess it ain't really, no, it's not. I saw the hearings,
just the hearings without the exhibits, you know, the first half like
one through fifteen or something like that, or one through thirteen, I forget,
But the first half of them available for like eight hundred bucks. I
saw that recently, and I was surprised. But a complete set, you
don't see them for less than two thousand, ever, and they're usually about
three grand. So I mean, I'd love to see you get a hold
of one. I've been trying to get hold of one for many years.
For a little while, I was collecting individual volumes, but you know,
ex wives, they destroy that as we go, and so you know,
I lost those, even though I was acquiring those at about thirty fifty dollars
apiece, which would have cost me much more than you know, what would
have been forty six hundred dollars and fifty dollars apiece, right, so it
would have been it would have been a mess. But you know, anyways
that I'm glad you brought the h C H h C C as they had
those two I didn't remember reading them. They could have if they had one
set. Yeah, well they're there. They were not as many of the
hs C A volumes printed, but I've come close to getting a hold of
one of those for about a grand a full set. Uh but uh but
but just you know, the guy got a better deal, like last minute
on me the one time. It's like the dc A film, which,
by the way, you know the Dallas Cinema Associates film. You know what
I'm talking about, Which film, the d c A film, Dallas Cinema
Associates which movies. It's not no, it is out of Dallas. He's
got a compilation. What was it, Four individuals that had short sections of
film got together and they combined them. It's a little a little closer.
I think it's more than four. Yeah, yeah, okay, it's more
than four by now. I think originally it was three and then they added
more to it. Basically, it's a compilation of little short segments and I
mean just a few seconds, and he shows activity around the school book depository.
It shows some other footage from some of the other buildings, there's really
not a lot in it, except that it's very useful in placing people in
other films and correlating them. Yes, that person was standing here, so
their perspective as this has been really helpful. Well, there's also a piece
of the film done by Charles Mentisana who who filmed the police seizing a rifle
at the time of the school book depository search, which does not appear to
be the carcano, you know, which is interesting because they don't show another
rifle in inventory that they took, but clearly they're seizing a rifle in the
film. Now, what's weird about this is that a lot of people don't
know, and you know, the presentation was made at Lancer by Alex Harris
regarding this that at a certain point the people got together and created a home
movie version of this that they sold in a local store. So for a
little while. Yeah, yeah, well listen, they told the Cinema Association
to be able to distribute it, right, and they were a little group
of again home movie makers who got together and decided to put their assassination footage
together. Now it had been shown in a couple of Dallas movie theaters and
again it was for sale. That poster that I got while we were at
the conference there, that one poster I was trying not to bend or anything,
was actually the advertisement for it for that store. So I had that.
I almost got one of those films a couple of years ago off of
eBay, and I was, Yeah. It was also very influential in establishing
that the guy in the outions photo was Billy Lovelady based on the he showed
he was wearing and everything else. And that was a lot of the footage
that was referred to which in the position, and then like I said,
from others, they could they could determine other people that were in both films
or in other still shots. So it's very good. It's a very it's
a very well, I wouldn't say very influential, but yes, it has
a lot of influence in a lot of little areas well. It's got a
lot of good stuff for researchers who were trying to put things on a timeline.
And the truth is grown this material, were this material have ended up?
And that other thing, the oh you know that two hour combo of
news footage that they did like twenty years ago, Well that's what I was
just gonna say, Yeah, that's what I was just going to tell you,
is that if you remember, Groden put out a VHS a long time
ago that then became a DVD later that he called the Assassination Films, which
had you know, pretty much full versions of most of the films that he
was able to collect, and that there was a version of the DCA film
on there as a bonus I think, or maybe it was one of the
fis. It might have been one of the main films or a bonus,
but either way, it was on there. So that's usually the only place
people ever saw it. And I think, you know, YouTube, I
think has a cut down version of it somewhere up on somebody's channel, unauthorized
completely, so on and so forth. But that film has kind of been
seen by some people, and it has allowed people to place things like Love
Lady and I wonder, you know, a good study of it. I
wonder what that would have to say about prayer Man, you know, as
far as can we track down prayer Man for real in that film? I
think so, but I haven't done it yet. Anyways, Love Lady and
prayer Man be both Lady, well, no norway Man and prayer can't be
both be the same dude. No, but but maybe we could Yeah,
no, absolutely, they're two different people, but we could maybe identify prayer
Man. I think through the DCA film if somebody carefully studies it. Uh
But anyway, I was saying to you about eBay. I had almost gotten
one of those films that was sold in that department store a couple of years
ago, and I found out just this week who beat me for it.
It turns out that film that Alex was holding during his presentation when he showed
everybody, here's the film in the box that they sold, that was actually
Kenneth's film Gabby's husband, Right, it's actually his. He's the one who
beat me on eBay for it. Uh So I found that really amazing.
It was like, oh, look, I actually have run into the How
often do you run into somebody who beat you on eBay for something? Right?
Yeah? About ago? Two links, two links in the room.
One is a DCA film, The Final Hour, the other is some other
DCA footage. So they've got several versions from off the net, so they've
got good quality and bad quality. But I just threw those in the room
for people Jimmy, you can go and look at this. It might refresh
your memory. You've probably seen these before, you just didn't know it was
the DCA film, right. And I think Rodent specifically excised the mental sound
a part that I was talking about on one of his presentations. Uh.
And those those DVDs or or VHS's are still really useful because you don't have
a collection of films anywhere else outside of Rodan's collection that that you know,
that you can get in one shot. You know, another thing I want
to get I was, uh uh uh? Who was the who is the
guy that was always arguing with Jerry Henny, the Jewish guy that started the
Defamation League and all that? Oh what? The guy who was with Ruby?
No, no, he's still alive. He's uh always the guy that
did the Dylan analogy. Oh uh oh oh you mean you mean the guy
who did the chronology in Fetzer's book. Yeah, he did it. You
know he's got the capsules. M Now you got me there. I don't
know, I don't know who you're referring to now. Sorry, the guy
that you can't remember he was he's always arguing with Bob Dylan argues the first
dylanology. Oh, I don't know. Do you know who he's referring to
be. He's the only guy older than John Berber in the JFK community.
I don't know. Hold on, you're not talking about Malcolm Blunt. I
mean, he's been around forever, but I don't think he's in his nineties
yet. Nuh, this is Oh, come on, you don't mean Peter
Dell Scott. Oh look, I mean that's what That's what I'm trying to
do now, I can't. I mean, the Anti Defamation League was started
by Sigmund Livingston, who was a lawyer in Chicago, but he had I
know who I he's talking about. I can't think of the guy's name.
It's not it's not. What the hell? Oh, here we go all
of the nation around. This is crazy. I know who he's talking about.
I cannot think of it. It's not Sigmund, it's you're talking about
the guy in the wheelchair. But anyway, look, while they're searching around
for this name, you guys listening can join us three one nine five two
seven five zero one six. That's the number to call, and you can
change the subject at any time in case this is boring you the JFK stuff
or the football discussion or whatever. But I'm fully open here and might take
a break shortly so I can go cough more off, Mike, you know,
just in between. But love to hear from you about whatever's been going
on this week or for the past couple of weeks, whatever you want to
throw on the table. Totally available to you. Uh, sounds like that
we need are getting act him in the other room. Matter of fact,
I might just take a quick break here just to not have things slow down.
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com. Oh VPTE, I think you got your noise for your chat room
open wide because I just heard that knock noise, So maybe mute that.
Jimmy James is on the line, and I think we have another caller.
So, Jimmy, you were talking about and see there's that knock noise from
the chat. Jimmy, you were talking about somebody whose name you couldn't remember.
So I want to give you a chance to mention that, talk about
it on air, and then we'll turn over and pick up Harlan and whoever
else calls in three one nine, five two seven, five zero one six
Jimmy, Yeah, and of course the mo went to break came to me
a J. Weberman of course, even once I said it, all three
of us that A yeah, Well I haven't thought of him since he did
that book where they had the overlays, you know, and he was trying
to prove that uh what's his name hunt was in dealy Plaza and you know
which I disagree with, but he had interesting overlays in the book. Remember
that that was a unique kind of book that him and his co author was
that was that the Anthony Summer's book was cooked conspiracy. No, it was
something like that. I remember that book. Yeah, yeah, No,
it was a neat book. Uh, it was interesting at the time.
Like I said, a lot of stuff in it has you know, since
been kind of debunked naturally through the process. But but Weberman was a really
uh interesting author in at his time. And you know, you know who
used to actually know I think he knew him directly was Bob Wilson. Knew
him. Of course, Bob and I don't talk anymore, but Bob I
think knew him. Directly, either him or his co author one or the
other he knew directly here. I'd like to talk to him. Well,
he wasn't mad at me for some reason. I'm sure Wilson wouldn't take it
out on you. Yeah, he wouldn't take out on you all at him
a Robberman, He's pretty unpredictable, quite frankly. Yeah, that's my understanding
of him too. I've never really dealt with him myself. That's one author
I never dealt with, so h. But the reason he was bringing up
his books is he put out one is five ten years ago. A fact,
I think it was ten years ago. I just can't believe it,
but I think it was for the fiftieth And it's just loaded with good,
rare pictures and awesome where as. And that's another thing that I definitely want
to buy. I think his Pictures of Assassination pass well. Pictures of the
Pain is Richard Trask's book that is an excellent reference book, Pictures of the
Pain that that has a lot of strips in it. It's very small strips,
but you can actually see a lot of times. You know one famous
photograph, but you don't know the others that were taken by the same photographer,
and Trask actually shows you a lot of the here's the rest of the
Altkins photos, you know, here's the rest of the slides, here's the
rest of Uh. He put together a lot of that stuff, Trask,
Richard Trask. But uh, then, now was was that that was that
other? Uh? The older book, wasn't it? That's it? Yes,
Kudeta in America or something like that. Yeah, or maybe it was
just kud Either way, Kudeta is part of the title. Yes, that's
a pretty good book at for the time. I mean, knowing that the
documents really what right? You did some good interviews with Hamming and all the
characters love them that have anyway, So hand it over to you. Guys.
Get to Harry. Absolutely. Look we're gonna get to Harlan. I'm
gonna put you on hold, Jimmy, we'll get back around to you.
Though. We got Harlan on the line. We got at least one two
other callers, so let's get to them. Let's see Harlan. Hey,
Harlan, before you pitch me on having somebody on about Pipe the Bimbo and
Red again. Uh, it's already in the works. I'm working on it,
so I'm just uh, I have to actually read the book. Uh,
And I have to get the book, so as soon as I do
that, i'll have that on in case that's what you're calling for. How
you doing, Harlan, Well, I was and survivalist and the big truck
was cooking a little bit and one of my trees it's got a hole in
the bottom of it. So I've got sweet potato juice running out here on
the floor and down my leg. But you know, I'm a trooper and
I'm in here, you know, for everybody tonight? Has everybody else well
doing? Okay? Did you happen to catch the creeping crub this week or
this past few weeks? Did you catch anything? Man, I've had something
since I was about thirteen when I first started smoking, So you know,
it kind of comes and goes all right, but I've not got it.
I mean, you know, me being in different climates and stuff, I
mean, you know, you get choked up somewhere and there. Well,
last week I was home and I forgot about the show to probably, I
guess an hour after it was out off and I sent to advance a text.
I say, I forgot about tonight or say it well, yeah,
actually Vance is on hold right now, so I'll get to him shortly.
But man, look, you had something since you're thirteen. As long as
it ain't the collap I think you'll be all right, you know what I
mean, that's right, yeah, or the chlamydia or you know some of
these other cottage cheesus diseases I've heard about over time. That's a I called
then when you was on Coast to coast and basically, you know, the
segment run out of time, they'll just let you stay on hold, you
know, during one segment and you have to hang up Kyle back. I
want to mention you know that there was probably I was one of the tens
of thousand Hotel Effect listeners that was there. Than that, I was gonna
mention Don's new book, but I didn't have opportunity to, right, I
might, I might try to talk to mister law about that book actually,
or Don or both. I'm not sure you know the schedules depending so,
but but I want to read it first so I know what the hell's in
it. You know. Well, I've been meaning that to ask Don if
there was another place that was available at but about a week ago I went
to order it on Amazon that said somebody's gonna be January or February four.
It was available, but I didn't go look anywhere else, and I just
slipped my mind bashed on. Oh wow, Okay, Well, as far
as I know, if some physical copies have gotten out, I don't know
through what, but I'm told that some have gotten out, and there's some
digital copies out there. I don't know who got them or how because I
have not received one yet, but I'm told they are available somewhere, so
I don't know. Yeah, I thought there was, although I mean I've
just been lazy folks. You know, you could probably look around and find
something. Don had a show last week with his co offer. Is the
guy's name William Male It is William Mattson Lows, an excellent author on the
case, wrote in the Eye of History, was really hoping that he was
going to go to Dallas in person. Promised me though, that if I
go back next year, that that he will next year go uh if just
to meet meet up with me there in Dallas. So I'm more than happy
to figure that one out. I've never actually shook mister Law's hand. You
know, I like him though I've always appreciated his work. What how did
that go? I missed last week? Showman. Did you have a good
trip with you guys? You know? Well? To catch you up?
Yeah, to catch you up. I thought the conference was really great.
You know, we're gonna let some other people talk about it coming up,
be Pete. We we we had a little fun with how bad the hotel
was. But the hotel is not the conference. The conference was was very
good. The hotel was not so good. But and I was busy as
hell. I didn't get to do that much. I went to Dealey Plaza
for about forty five minutes. I ate at Campezes once, and then I
don't think I really left the hotel, Be Pete did. I me?
Pete might be talking to his mute button. But you know, I know
that I didn't leave the hotel much outside of our trek to seven to eleven
in the middle of the night, where I think both of us were worse
for wear by the time we got back. But I mean between that forty
five minutes from Dalely Plaza and a trip to Campezies once on Thursday night,
when we got there, I didn't really leave the hotel. I pretty much
had my foot nailed to the floor because being MC wasn't just announcing people.
There was a lot of other work, which I happily did, and we
kept the conference running and it was really good. I thought we had some
technical difficulties, some troubles here and there. People got a little nasty with
me and there, and one jerk was coughing on us toward the end.
Thanks, And me and BPTE had both been sick ever since. But of
course he thinks I'm being a worst about it, and he's much a tougher
guy than me. So for the past ten days, I've been sick real
bad, you know. So I have not put out shows at all,
and really you haven't gone live since last Friday. But we're going to change
that this week, so you know, there you go. Still my throat
is thrashed. Be Pete, you're back with me yet? Yeah? Okay,
So I was saying, I don't think I left the hotel room,
or not the hotel room. I don't think I left the hotel outside of
Campezes seven to eleven and forty five minutes to Daily Plaza. I think I
didn't leave outside of that. Is that about right? Yeah, because Campezes
was the first night we got there, so the conference hadn't started yet once
it started Friday morning. Yeah, you didn't leave that hotel. Well,
they just think it was you had to take with coast to coast two Saturday
night, so you know, the only free time you would have had,
you know, taking a nap before you stayed up for the radio. So
yeah, you were very limited in Harlan tried to call in during that.
I really wish you would have gotten on there because there were some wacky people
and I mean it's tough going in between those casuals. By the way,
Harlan, did you hear how tight that was in between the commercials where it
was like I had almost no time to answer most of what was being thrown
at me. Did you get that sense? Yeah? Yeah, well it's
like I was. I believe it was advance. I told somebody else I
was talking too. It was luck you didn't have enough time to get kicked
in gear, you know, to get in the chuck. So you know
what I mean, because it may usually a lot of this stuff once you
get to talking about it, you're just bomb bound back. You just keep
letting it roll, you know what I'm saying. Yeah, and it did
sing like you was kind of constraint then time, you know, you you
got to the college. I mean the lady, the producer, you know,
she was real nice. That put me in line. I was the
next one to go on before the last one. But you know, I
guess we're getting so close to the hour. They was trying to give you
enough time to kind of recap or throw out whatever you hadn't mentioned before.
But yeah, I could you know tell that you just did. You wouldn't
hardily, you know, had enough opportunity to get in your zone on your
issues. You know what I'm saying. I could tell you was kind of
you know, trying to just think about what to say quick as you could
say it. I guess does that makes sense? Yeah? I just hope
that, you know, for you know, I hope that people got some
information out of it, because I tried to pack, you know, some
really good stuff into each piece as quickly as I could. And again I
had no warning or script on it. Uh. And he sort of knocked
me off balance with the personal stuff right away. Uh. And I just
said all right, fine, you know, let's go. But yeah,
I mean I was trying really to answer everything I could. I know,
the one caller dropped that Judy Baker thing on me and they went to break,
and I was like, oh crap. I was mad about that,
And I think when I came back from break, I said, yeah,
okay, before we go anywhere else, first of all, yeah, Judy
bang okay, next, you know, so I think I might overstep my
bounds there and kind of you know, like you know, just didn't even
answer what he was saying. Right that. I was like, yeah,
I got to address Judith Baker before we go any further because the caller brought
it up. But so I did that, and I think I mentioned Walt's
book on there too, right, Yeah, Well one most thing before I
forget about it. Has anybody else I've not had a chance so far,
because I saw something that you'd have to be on a Foxy streaming platform to
out the debate between the Santas and newsm I was just wondering maybe if anybody
else would sew any of that yet from last night or the other night or
VP you know, saw anything about it. Oh, did the Santas and
Newsom have a debate separately. Do some I would have missed it. Yea,
from what he sometime back as a red state versus blue state debate and
from what I saw De Santa's pretty much has now created an open field for
the Democratic primary because he knocked knew some right out of the park. I
mean, he just nailed him on everything. And when he reproduced the poop
map of San Francisco, it was all, well did that. Eventually Newsom's
life came in and said, no, that's it, we can't go,
and they were going to go longer she came into it. The town said
no, that's it. We've got another, you know, arrangement to another
meeting that we've got to get too, So we're quitting right now. Nice.
Yeah, he got his, but do them well. You know what
what I will do is review that for next week because I guarantee it'll be
of interest. I think it's uh, you know, there's been some legal
uh you know, rulings also on the Trump case. There's been a bunch
of things gone on this week, but I'm only vaguely aware of that.
I don't know what has happened, uh, just of the Trump Kates in
New York with Leticia James. During the prosecution, they had they had a
guy from the deutsch Bank come in and test five and it was supposed to
be for the prosecution. But he gets up there and explains that, uh,
yeah, it's not you know, it's not uncommon that a bank would
reduce a customer's assets by fifty percent to still approve alone, which is what
they did for Trump. Uh he said, you know, yeah, Trump
gave us his opinion of his value. We set our own value. We
basically reduced his assets by fifty percent, but we still gave him the loan
because he qualified. Right, I'm gonna put it's just a whole hole in
her case. Right, I'm gonna put Harlan on hold for a minute.
We're gonna go over to Vance in a minute. But look, what I
have contended about this all along is that it's not an unusual thing that Trump
got. Look, if you're of a certain kind of rich guy, this
is my complaint. If you're at a certain level, you can be millions
of dollars in debt. Now, if you or I try that VP,
we ain't gonna have it happen. Right, But you get to a certain
privileged position in the banking world, in the business world. Yeah, you
can lose millions of dollars. You can blow fortunes and they'll give you loans
to cover it. You can screw up your loans, they'll give your loans
to cover it. Now you or I bounce a car note and we might
not get a credit card for five years. You know. These guys though,
it's like the more they lose, it seems like, well, the
more the bank kind of shovels on to him for credit. And that's just
the way of the world. If you're a rich guy, you get to
do this, right. Yeah, it's just representative of everything else. There's
a you know, a two to at least a two tion system when it
comes to banking. If you're big enough, it doesn't matter what your losses
are, as long as your assets are a certain amount on a balance sheet.
Don't give well, I'll give you, yeah, better rates and you
get a average car loans. So yeah, it goes on all the time.
I mean, that's what banking has been since banking has been around.
The more money you got, the more money you can get. Right,
the faceless thing I can give you a faceless example. You can't take this
personally. Ready. Netflix lost money for about, I don't know, a
decade. Basically, they were losing money year after year, millions of dollars,
millions of dollars. Did their stock price drop No? Did the value
of the company drop? No? And yet they were a losing entity.
Now, if you try and run a corner store, okay, at a
thirty thousand dollars a year, you ain't gonna stay in business. Your texta
gonna look at Amazon? How lane? Did Amazon show a negative on the
profit sheets for what fifteen years? Yeah? Before they finally turned around and
started making bazillions. So yeah, you know, it's just when Trump goes
to the bank. It's not like you and me walking into the bank.
So it's a totally whole different level. Right, So the idea is that,
according to the way you and I have to do business, yeah,
he's getting away with murder. We couldn't possibly go near that. You know,
if you or I report an asset incorrectly, even to an insurance company,
and we have a fire in our house and we want our TV replaced,
okay, and they find out somehow that we told them we got you
know, a five thousand dollars plasma TV as opposed to a you know,
a three hundred dollars black light special over at freaking Walmart, right, And
we try and push that through on the insurance to get them to cut check
or replace the cheaper TV with the you know what, we're going to get
in trouble. A guy like Trump can do that throughout a whole hotel and
it's not an issue. It's a slide rule issue, that's it. You
know, he could he could ask for the whole hotels TVs to be replaced
because of a power surge, and the insurance company won't bat an eye even
if they catch it. You or I tried to do that with one electronic
and you know they'll be threatening us with charges dropping our insurance, telling us
they're not going to pay for anything else. You know, screw you in
your house. You lied on the form. Well, it's a long averages
too. You know you're going to pay a whole lot higher premiums on an
insurance policy covering a thirteen story hotel as opposed to my residential unit where you
know, most people don't have a kissing or a window that's saw it out
of So yeah's you're talking two different things. You know, if I've got
the assets, if they look at a balance sheet, they see the assets,
they're going away, Okay, can I make this loan and not getting
the guys paid us back on everything else, So we'll go ahead write the
loan. I mean, postman dealing with Deutsche Bank for quite some time,
and it's because Deutscher Bank will on his loans. That's why he goes there,
and he knows he can do businesses them and they'll back him even if
he blows it, even if he doesn't make your payments exactly. We'll think
about right. But the thing about this prosecution is the state is going after
him to say you are profiting somehow illegally. But there's no victim in this.
In this civil suit, they just want the two hundred and fifty million
dollars for themselves. They're not compensating any victims by going after the two hundred
and fifty mili, which is part of the case. Now. So you
know, you bring in somebody to testify and guy says, hey, you
know this isn't fought. This goes on every day. Banks do it every
day. We knew what he's put on his sheet was his opinion, and
he said, you know, Trump's values were his opinion. It's our job
to come up with our own opinion, and based off that opinion is what
we do to decide where we're going to float the loan when they did.
It happens every day, not just with Trump. Like you said, Netflix,
Amazon was in the hole for years and years and years. Other companies
have been on the verge of bankruptcy and been able to get loans to float
their business for another year before they eventually claimed bankruptcy. Happens on time,
Okay, So it's going to be interesting to see how this case goes from
being on out because it was so bad that Lachiefu James had to issue a
statement after the testimony to try to imply, hey, you know this doesn't
affect our case at all. Well, I can't wait, yeah, no,
And I can't wait to see what happens when people actually burst the Twitter
x bubble, cause you know that multi billion dollar deal. I guarantee you
that platform is not near worth what it was that was forked out for it.
Is anybody going to get any of that money back? I doubt it
and musk just like Trump is using a lot of other people's money when he
does this, so you know it's going to be a lot of people.
See OPM has funded the business world now for the past, you know,
bazillion years. You always I mean that that was the mean back during the
house flipping market. How to make money off real estate using OPM all the
people's money? You got it. It's it's way away. I why should
I risk morel if I can risk yours? Exactly. So with that,
we got Advance on the line too. So let's get over to him and
see what he wants to throw on the table. I dare say it'll be
something different. Uh, you know, but I've been sick this week.
Vance next week, though, we're going to get rolling full steam. I
wanted to do it last week. But whatever the hell this flu was,
and not the rona, I'm sure, although I have reports of people having
caught the rona at the conference. I got to check with creative accidents.
See if he's okay. Actually I didn't ask him if he was sick.
I bet you he's not. Be Pete, what do you think? I
bet you didn't get it? He didn't hang around long enough to catch it.
He's here and gone off to another event. So you know, I'd
be curious to know too. Oh quick, little tidbit before you get to
Vance was able to use the Heimlich maneuver on Jody Ernst to save her while
she was choking on her food. You know, interesting little thing. We
learn how to do these things and we think, ah, I've never used
this, and here we have an actual physician sitting down to eat and having
to perform a Heimlink maneuver on one of his coworkers. I use, I
mean I did not hear about that either. See, I've been out of
the loop this week. Vance, What do you got on your mind this
week? Though? I'm sure it doesn't ran Paul in the Heimlich maneuver?
But maybe what do you got There's a lot of people could try to use
a good Heimlich maneuver. One thing, one thing before I forget is,
uh, we never got the answer to these riddle last two weeks ago or
whatever it was about what's more important than life? For what? I can't
even remember now exactly exactly? Okay, let's definitively before you go any further,
hold on, let me put Jimmy on the line and let him go
back over his riddle and give the correct answer. I think we did get
to it, but let's make sure and make sure that we got it right.
I don't want to misquote Jimmy James after all. So Jimmy, you're
back on the line. Jimmy, and uh that riddle that you gave us,
right? Do you remember the riddle exactly? And could you give us
the answer? Now? Okay, let's see what's more important than money?
Less important than that? Yes, guys gave who let's freedom? And uh
one was yes? So whattanding yes? Prom be more than one answer?
The absolute your honor? All right, that is the answer from Jimmy James.
But your honor? I think freedom is an acceptable answer though, Jimmy,
But but honor is the one you were looking for. So that's the
correct answer to the Jimmy James version of that riddle. Oh, it would
be hard to be sure. What did you do with freedom if you're dead?
Dang? That's it's well, there is what's good being alive? That
she ain't free? There you go, right, there's the paradox. Uh
so it depends I guess it depends if you're an a Gelvin cage tree.
I'm a little smaller, fair enough, Jimmy pre range deep philosophical thought,
just be free range. Sorry good, I was just going to say it
would just be free range slaves. You know. There you go, and
I would argue Jimmy just just again, I accept it's the Jimmy James riddle.
So the Jimmy James answer is as it is. It is your honor.
But to me, indeed death could be equal to freedom as well,
depending on your circumstance. So you know that's just me and there's my dark
philosophy. So there you go, Mance, you got the answer. Finally,
it is your honor. That is the thing he was looking for.
Well, my answer will be freedom. You stand by your answer as well.
It could be integrity, you know. Yeah, there's you know,
plenty of ways you could, you know, correctly, logically or whatever you
know, answer that question. But you know, I'll stick with freedom.
And like I said last week, I don't want this show to anymore,
not on Fridays anyway, to be about my opinion any longer. So I
want all of you guys to express yourselves and new people to come on and
express themselves as well. That's what I want. So you know, by
all means, you know, contradict me, point out what it is you
want to point out, each of you do it your way, because that's
what this is about. Okay, So anyway, go ahead, Vancey.
You you got to the riddle, what else did you have on your mind?
Well, I guess along that line of the freedom aspect, I'd be
interested to hear Jelle's opinions on my kind of one of my biggest kind of
concerns right now is that you know, what, what do you I suppose
it happened, is between now and the election? You know that there is
an organized terrorist attack for Mohammas, you know, or Iranian terrorist organization that's
you know, snuck across the border that was conveniently open and all that.
You know, I think that would affect the dynamic of what's going on.
Well, I'll leave that to others to answer. A matter of fact,
I'd like to first go to be Pete on that. How do you think
a you know, a terrorist attack between now and selection time might affect the
dynamics and the selection? Would that be the correct question? Bance? Well,
maybe it directly, you could not even have an election if we get
put on martial law. Well, that would be one way the selection process
would be affected, right, So okay, be Pete, what are your
thoughts on that. Do you think that there could possibly be a terrorist attack
in between now and November of twenty four that could affect that big selection time?
Yeah, it's I think it's highly possible that one could happen in the
next year. But I think if we do have one that hits, you
can forget Biden or any Democrats' chances in the election. If something would happen,
Let's say six months from now, something happens, we're getting into the
we're in the middle of the primary grounds, and we're getting ready to go
to conventions. I'm gonna tell you, now, we get hit with something,
you can forget a Democrat getting elected. It's not gonna help them one
bit. Biden has already been over backwards to give as much money as aganned
iron and they're sitting there funding everybody that's creating turmoil in the Middle East and
other places. So now I think if anything would help bring might help bring
Trump in, although taking consideration, Trump might not be there he might have
been found guilty of something and knocked off the ballot in a few places.
It's going to change a lot of things. But if we get hit,
I guarantee you Biden's not going to respond to do anything about it. We're
just gonna have to suck it up, and then we'll have a Republican come
in and then it'll be kind of like two thousand and one. Well,
okay, look what they did to us, Let's go get them, and
we dive right back into something, which is strange when you consider that Trump
was the only one who didn't have us really at war or get us into
anything new while he was in there. Of course, he pulled the Nixon
and Chip said he was going to get us out. He was waiting for
his next term to do that, and unfortunately he lost. So, yeah,
it's going to create a big difference in the Democrat's chances to get elected.
I think. Other than that, I don't think it's going to have
much effect. It's going to take off a lot of the public and they're
going to shake their head and say, I told you so. But we
haven't done a damn thing to fix anything, you know, with the board
that's causing these problems in the past. How many fifty years? When was
the amnesty back in the seventies. We haven't done anything since then for us,
for it is not going to get fit Reagan when he first went in,
I think, good, an amnesty type thing, and then it you
know, it's still amounted to nothing. Let's let's see what each of the
other callers thinks about this. I put Vance on hold, but I think
this is a great question to pass around. So let's go to Harlan and
you know, Harlan, what do you think about the idea of some sort
of terrorist attack coming in and affecting the selection process, you know, in
November? What what's what's your thoughts on that? Well, I'm you know,
I'm pretty much on page with BP. He's you know, laid out
about high half of what I was going to say, so I don't have
to repeat it. But far as who that he would help in the election
goes on the Republican side, I think there's still some variables there. I
think after we see the first primaries, we're going to see how strong you
know, that chosen one he is, and we're going to see, you
know, how strong the destantus is because you know, oath of their supporters
on Twitter is you know, making the best case both sides accusing the other
side of propaganda, line polls and blah blah blah. But I think it
would number one. It would be according to when it happened before, during
or after the primaries, before or after, you know, both set the
nominations was over with. I think that would have a lot of bearing on
it. But I also think one of the reasons why I don't believe that
that is that has a high likelihood of happening, is because there's so many
people as talked about it, kind of expecting it, you know what I'm
saying, And I'm not saying that it couldn't happen. But if this had
been ten years ago, I think if that was going to happen, we'd
already seen it. Because you know, the seastar hits over with now a
lot of this stuff is just sabad on that Yahoo, so they've had to
kind of peel back off, you know, some of the response towards the
just the average, everyday average, you know Palestinian, That's kind of about
where I'm at. But you know, I sure hope that doesn't happen,
because then we're gonna go right back to you know, war on terror,
blah blah blah, brown paper, bad mister Muslims. And then you're gonna
have a crowd of people, you know, screaming hiss the Jews around the
world, blah blah blah, and that's just gonna amp all that stuff like
that. It now, I hear you, Okay, So I'm gonna put
you on hold, and I'm gonna turn to the guy who's probably gonna be
the most fiery on this, and again, Jimmy, I want you to
keep in mind, I'm not saying that anything about this yet. I've said
nothing. I'm just asking the question Advance put to us here, which is,
you know, how do you think that that could affect the twenty twenty
four selection if this occur. I'm not even talking about whether it's organic,
or it's staged, or it's one side or the other, or it's something
entirely new, you know, new sort of al Qaeda has re emerged,
who knows. I didn't go into any of those details. I just put
the question the same way Vance did, what would happen if that happens in
between now and then, and Harlan says there's nuanced because of whether it happens
during the primaries after et cetera, et cetera. But for your particular thoughts,
let me see you. Where's Jimmy. There he is, Jimmy James,
and we have another caller. I'm gonna get to next, So Jimmy,
go ahead. I want to get to this martial law thing, the
toys. I'm always hearing people say that Donald Troup or Joe Biden or schmuckle
Telly or whoever's gonna Oh, they're gonna declare my r slong. Well it's
not that damn easy. I'm gonna explain the process in a minute. Yeah,
all right, now I'm the Trump thing, uh or terrorists? Thanks
for what the schmuck o Kelly, thanks for that good I wasn't either going
for your name. I don't know how that came out it did I do?
I often do they smug Otelly, I've been saying it for wait before
I knew you, though, Oh thanks, I had nothing to do with
you even in the nineties. I don't know how it started. I think
we're watching some movie and I asked the men, Okay, who's the blah
blah the one to see him h And they said some command And I said,
now, wasn't no commander schmuck at tell it was a damn patty officer,
a mechanic bah blah blah, Marvin J. Shields one anlyst uh where
we uh? Yeah, you were talking about this martial law and you said
I'll get to that in a minute about how hard that is to do,
but go ahead, okay, Yeah, Well, obviously if some anything bad
happens, usually the buck stops here at the top man, that's the correct
answer. A cat that goes down at the ship, hit the spaghetti,
hits the fan. You know, eleven million bill eagal alien friends roaming about
from all four corners of the world. I say that it's highly likely we
will have some kind of some kind of attack from one of some of these
characters. As far as people always so sick of hearing that word martial law,
martial law. Now there won't be no martial of law unless first the
first we have to be in a state of war. Congress will have had
to have declared a state of war, and then the president can only first
there has to be good reasons to have martial law unless the war's happening here
in our like the Civil Wars the last time this happened. And even then
he has to go to Congress. But Lincoln didn't do it. I know
that is because the Confederate Army was literally holding half of Congress behind enemy lines.
So he just had to do it. And as soon as the Congress
did finally meet, they did vote and make it legal. Okay, Okay,
I guess that's what they got to say. Fair enough. All right,
So we got a new wireless caller and they're unidentified, so let's see
what they have to say about this. The question caller, by the way,
before I take you off hold, is what are your thoughts on the
possibility of some sort of terrorist attack due to the tensions that are going on
and our circumstance at the moment happening in between now and the selection in twenty
twenty four. How will it affect that and what effect might it have?
That is the whole of the question the Advance posed to all of us.
So first of all, please identify yourself and then tell us what your thoughts
are on that question. Yeah, this is Wilson. I think I'm actually
curious what would the situation with the cottage cheese disease be under Marshall Watt.
Wow, that's a really good question. Cottage cheese disease. I think that
was brought up by Harlan. Yeah, okay, well maybe we should turn
to Harlan and ask him about that. I'll put you on hold there,
hold on, wireless caller. Let's see Harlan. What would be the cottage
cheese disease situation under martial law. I don't know about under martal law.
I mean, you know, and I've heard some stories, you know how
it is like, you know, underclothes and you know, drawers and tinies
if you will. I'd heard some years ago a friend of mine was talking
about his ex wife before last had actually caught clamydia off her ex husband's toilet
file. She was there using the bathroom even though he lived, you know,
an hour and a half away, and nobody can figure out what she's
doing her. But anyway, he said that it looked like cottage cheese.
Okay, rounding down at them, okay, under Marshall law, you know,
they may you know, go back to Sarah Karnam, I don't know,
no problem, Harlan. I'm putting you back on hold and we'll go
back to the wireless caller. Since apparently Harlan has now become our from under
cheese expert, I don't know how that happened. But anyway, wireless caller,
anything else that you'd like to add? All you? Yeah, No,
that was a great that was a great answer. No, I was
genuinely curious about that. And yeah, I think we're ripe for another terrorist
attack any moment. Okay, would that be due to the illegals or would
that be just because of the tensions in the world. And do you think
it would have an effect on the twenty twenty four selection? Is really what
Vance was asking. I think it would totally be in line with the selection
process, and that's why it would happen at all. So there we go.
I'm going to put you back on hold and go over to Vance and
let's see if I can do this quickly enough. So, Vance, what
do you think of the answers that went around the horn there? I shouldn't
see all those points of view, and you know, I guess I'm I'm
more cynical about it like the last the color just mentioned, you know that
in my mind it would be you know, part of the the I mean,
let me just back up and let it all on the nine. You
know, I believe the the Harmos attacks on you know whatever seven. You
know, I think that was a false flag. Okay, so you know
that that that's just like they say, Israel's nine to eleven the false flag,
just like ours and both of them and uh to whatever degree you know.
Uh So, so that's my ideal is like, you know that when
I add up artists, you know, here the border has been open and
and everybody's doing anything about it, and that you know, all this pasturing
and all the you know, story about you know, nobody knows who these
people are and they're all terraces, and you know, lately, the you
know, in the recent past, the focus shifted to a big percentage of
these people are military aged men, you know, single men. And then
then after the last attack, well it's terrorists, you know, known terrorists
you know, been you know allowed to cross the border. So it just
seems like a perfect setup for me to have you know, a terrorist attack
you know, kick off over here, and you know, I don't remember
the last time that Congress you know, uh, voted to go to any
state of war that we've been in since nine eleven, I don't think Congress
voted to you know, start the war on terror, which is still ongoing,
and possibly you know, we're still under whatever special authority that they had
you know then, which we still are because they keep renew in that Act
and all that. So that's what I'm saying. Just seems that it seems
like that makes a whole lot more sense about why that was happening. And
so, you know, the economies, you know, in the biggest bubble
ever and could you know, crashing any time, so you know, terrorist
attack you can go ahead and crash the economy, you know, so that
you're you know, we got to ground everybody up with so many you know,
billions of people, so we got to shut everything down and start going
door to door and picking up illegals and deporting them and putting them in camps.
I'm sorry, you know, That's that's the way my mind goes.
I hope that makes sense. Well, I hope that Look, I see
that's the way your mind goes. But at the same time, I'm hoping
you're wrong, you know, because I don't want to. I don't want
to live through that crap that you're describing. But look, I'm gonna put
you on hold again and we're gonna take one more break because I can barely
freaking breathe. And uh I want my co host to sort of take over
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up, flushing the lines out and seeing what happens with a little chaos?
All up to you, my brother? What do you? Uh? My
travel companion who kept me going there in Dallas despite the fact that we both
got sick, uh and all that. So uh, where where shall we
go now? My friend? Well, you know, we've had a couple
of things happen during the week, you know, headline wise. Of course,
Santos just got ousted from Congress, which is like the sixth time it's
ever happened since the beginning. I think three of them were during the Civil
War because they were actually supporting the South in their efforts, and so it's
an interesting thing to happen. It was kind of you know, it was
kind of kind of projected. They voted on it twice before and let it
drop, and they finally went through with it on this one. But we've
had a few other things that happened. One very interesting story here, the
Attorney General of Texas is now seeing Pfizer over their testing of the COVID vaccinations,
in that they're going after them basically on a flaud charge. And I
was listening to Jesse Case Show the other night and one of the last things
that he had on there was somebody talking about this. Apparently when they came
up with the initial vaccine, Piser used this special process of inserting this DNA
section of COVID and produced this thing, went through the testing and said,
okay, we've got approval. Now. This was during the emergency phase.
Then they had to come up with the vaccine to get out to the populace.
And on that one they only tested this vaccine with two hundred and fifty
people as opposed to the forty thousand people that they claimed had been tested on
or was the requirement for testing. So the Attorney General has kind of gone
after them under a fraud charge, false advertisement and then colluding to hide the
evidence and suppress discussion online about it. I thought that was very interesting.
I'm going to see how that comes out. Another thing that I came across.
Okay, I want to ask you before you move on to the next
thing, though, let me ask you something real fast. I know you
and I have both been sick this week, so we're talking around our devices
about being sick. Probably have you been getting pummeled with the weird ads that
are now saying, you know, look, we have an m RNA vaccine,
and you know they had to change it, so the scientists have been
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They won't interact with each other, and it's fine to do. We have
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seeing more of a get your COVID shot just like your flu shot, as
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do it just because the government says do it right. And again, Friday
Night's no longer about my opinions. So should we go to the callers about
the vaccination situation and the lawsuit in Texas or should we add something else to
you, well, just another headline on that way. The Navy, there's
a whistle blow in the US Navy that has exposed a study that they've done,
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lot of studies that are coming out, have been out in the past few
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be Pete wanted us to keep in mind is this controversy once again over the
vaccination. So Be Pete, who should we go to? We've got,
We've got Wilson on one line. We've got Jimmy James, we've got Harlan,
and we've got a dvance still, and anybody else could join us at
three one nine, five, two seven five zero one six for the home
stretch here of the Friday night open mic. You can join us and we
might go a little over if you know, if we need to, but
otherwise we're going to probably end in a little less than thirty minutes. So
up to you, b Pete, who should we go to? Oh,
we can go in the reverse order and start with Wilson and we're going back,
all right, Let's get Wilson first, and then I think that would
mean that we get a vance after that, and Harlan after that, and
Jimmy James would be last because he was first. So that's the way we're
going. So let's go to Wilson first. See what he's got to say
about this or anything else. Go ahead, Wilson. Do you guys think
that this ties into the mysterious illness out of China right now? Because that's
what it sounds like to name. That's an interesting point. I know a
lot of people are talking about it in alt media land, for sure,
again, not my opinion matters here tonight. But what do you think,
Ppte, I don't know. I've been trying to catch stories on that when
to see what's going on there's another respiratory Uh is he running around China?
I don't think. I don't think what you and I went through was connected
to that. I think it's just a case of too many people in two
closer quarters. Well, I think you and I got the flu from mister
We got a on the way out, even though we're sick. Guy.
I think that's what we got, is some kind of flu. But outside
of that a lot of people have been talking about this and saying, you
know, Biden meets with the g over there, right, and the next
thing you know is China's reporting that they have some massive pneumonia problem and maybe
yet another you know, COVID type issue happening in China exploding again. And
does the mainstream pick up on it, not so much, but the alt
media screaming about it like, well, maybe it's being weaponized, it's being
staged. Specifically, forget about the terrorist attack before the selection. Maybe it's
the bio weapon, in some people's opinions, to bolster the selection process.
Maybe put it in a place where we have to do what the mail in
ballads again, right, Maybe they'll be masking, maybe they'll be new mandates.
This is what the supposition is from many, many who are out there
podcasting and such. So I mean, what are your thoughts there? Do
do you have any thoughts on that? I mean, I'm just asking the
question the tale on to Wilson here. Well, you know, yet,
when we've already had some school systems start trying to mask kids in certain classes,
I don't think the public is going to be so quick to put up
with this crap. And you're going to see people at schoolboard meetings asking what's
going on and why are you doing this? And here's the studies that show
it didn't work the first time, why are you trying to do it now?
The government may be a little cautious to jump on the bandwagon of pushing
mandates and closures. But I'll go ahead and tell you the girl that's running
the what is it word? Not World Health? The was it Health Units
Services? No, whatever the medical organization is in the lighthouse, whatever that
secretary is, she's leading basically Fauci's whole job. I guess she's leading the
way. She was one of the big proponents here in North Carolina that pushed
for mandates and closures and everything else. So just be prepared. If you've
got any questions, you can look up what went on in North Carolina during
the whole thing and see where her I don't know her ethics come from,
let's put it that way, because there wasn't very little shown in this state.
They basically shut everything down, put everybody out of work, created a
big blip in the economy, and for what for nothing. So I'm not
too fond of their new spokes a lady for the White House on these issues.
It's going to be interesting. I think they're going to try to push
it, but I don't think I don't think the public is going to put
up with it. I think they got their field during the last the last
pandemic. Well, I'm thinking because of the last moves to do this,
the way it went and the damage to the economy and the fact that we're
still suffering from it, is going to make a lot of peace. People
say, you know what, No, I'm thinking that that's going to happen
among the general populists because they saw enough businesses die and stuff like that.
Here I am with my opinion again. I'm sorry, Wilson back to you
on this. Is that an adequate response? And maybe we should pass this
around to everybody about this? What do you think about the new thing coming
out of China? What's that got to do with it? But you got
any other thoughts before I move on to another caller, because I do want
to try and get back around everybody again if I can. Yeah, I'd
like to get everyone's take on it. And I think there was reports that
some people in Ohio might actually came down with it. I'm not sure high
possibility. So with that v Pete, I'm gonna put Wilson on hold,
and we got another wireless caller, So I want to go to that wireless
caller and see if I can get their take on this before we jump back
to I guess what is it, Harlan the advancing in Ireland? Excuse me?
Uh so let's uh, let's do that. So you're a new wireless
caller and we are talking about what's going on, you know, in China,
and is this uh you know, part of what's going to hit us
next? Are we looking at another viral situation in time for the selection and
all that. I guess. Uh, but first, who are you?
And uh yeah, go ahead and tell us about what what's going on.
Good. Hey, my name is Jay, and thank you for taking my
call. I think it's all of the above. I think this is all
coming out convenient timing wise. But one thing I wanted to reach back on
and I called in a little late. Uh you all were talking about the
mass migration, right and you know, being military age men and stuff like
that. I would I would correct and say they're working age men. If
you go back and look at you n documents going back decades, they knew
somehow, they magically knew that Western nations that were getting heavily vaccinated in the
vaccines timed this. They knew that we were going to have declining populations.
If you look at the statistical charts and stuff like that, we have our
fertility rates are way way down. We have people that are aging populations.
They call them aging they meaning they're not working. And now the government owes
them money because they paid into a system that the government can't pay them back
for. That's what the vaccines play a role. They have to kind of
like kill off the current population and then bring in a new working population.
That's kind of my theory on it. I don't know, I just want
to d answers take on that. Now. I appreciate that take because I
always see those grander you know, much like the guy who first introduced me
to the idea that indeed, you know, part of the purpose for you
know, inserting us into Vietnam may have been to reduce the working population so
that unemployment wouldn't become as big of an issue as it would become in later
years. I thought that was crazy idea when I first heard it, and
then I started looking at the statistics and what it was was being done and
what happened to, you know, again the working age man, that that's
coming into the job market. And indeed it started to make a little bit
of sense. You know, if you redirect them into the military, then
you have a jobs program for them, and look if they don't make it
back, oh well that means there's you know, more jobs for others.
Right. I mean, that's one way to look at it if you're engineering
things. Uh so I've always said about it that way. Yeah, that's
a good point. Check bringing them into the military, because if you noticed
it all, I think all of these different things play key roles in a
grand scheme. And they have got the military, so you know, we're
bringing a whole new population. You know, we can we can give you
the past for a while, and we can give you some pretty stuff.
But eventually they're going to you know, have them change stilled on their wrist,
you know, and there's a fast track. They're becoming the military.
You get that green card faster, and yeah, that's a good, a
good thing to take that, you know. Well, and simultaneously, look,
if we get involved in certain adventures overseas, whether they're justified or not,
if we get involved in enough adventures to thin the population down, well
there's a bunch of guys who pay in for a decade or so that never
get to collect anything, right, Uh, you know, so just just
math. I'm not trying to say that this is, you know, anything
other than math. But I always wonder that, by the way, you
know, the amount of people that never quite make it to when they tell
me that sold security is broke, I say, okay, I get they
could be broke. But same time, what happened to all the money from
the people that never got to collect anything, because there's a whole lot of
people that never lived to that retirement age, and did they you know,
does their money just completely evaporate. I've always wondered about that. Well,
yeah, and that's exactly right, Chuck, right, because I've always said,
if a person dies before they reached you know, whatever the payout was,
why doesn't that go to their family, you know? Or what if
they die in a motorcycle crash or a car crash and they paid in,
where does that money go? And you know, I was doing some research
on how long they could sustain of security and we're looking like twenty twenty eight,
twenty twenty nine or something before they can't sustain it. That's what they
then comes out the credit Jeb, you know, and then all the you
know, the elderly and the young. I mean, it's prime. It's
it's prime picking to replace the population with some people from a third world nation.
They won't ask questions and just do what you say, Like you said,
their military age, they're working age. This is a working populace.
This is a you know, a two kid system or you know, I
mean, you know, Feudi system. If you will right. No,
Jay, all great points. I'm only putting you on hold for times shake
because I want to get back around to everybody at least more of at least
one more time. So let me try and do that. I believe we're
up to getting vance on the line in reverse order. Is that right?
BPTE believe Wait a minute, he came home before halland so oh it should
be okay, you got it. I'll put Harlan on next. If I'm
incorrect in the order, my mistake. But we're still mixing it up properly.
So Harlan, what are your thoughts on what's been brought up so far?
And of course we started with the just the lawsuit in Texas and all
that, the deception and the interesting things going on. What's gonna, you
know, happen in the future. Do we have a new viral thing happening
from China, et cetera. Plus what Jay brought up. What are your
thoughts, Harlan, Well, I'll try to go down the list here and
hit them mile a little bit. First off, from on the lawsuit down
in Texas. You know, that's just something that you know, Nadie debate.
I'm glad somebody, did you know, break down and do it.
There was something several months ago, if not last year to or the scientists
was bringing a grand jury together, but it was news for a few days
and then that just poof. You know, it's got like a fart in
the land. I've not heard anything else about it. See now wait wait
as well, and real quick, real quick with DeSantis though, is it
more of a political move or was he actually looking to do it? Is
my question because yeah, I question everything with him at this point because he's
looking to find a way to climb up the ladder as far as you know,
his contention for the GOP nomination, right, So, I mean it's
you always got to ask that question. Is this, you know, for
the political face or is this for the reality? Don't you think that's a
fair question or no, Well, I think there's a very good change that
it could have been, you know, for just for politics, because like
I said, I've not heard anything else about it. You would think that
the fro the Santus crowd on Twitter would be pumping that if it was going
anywhere but here again, you know, folks, you could go google it
and pretty much whatever the date is on it add two or three weeks to
it, and I've not heard nothing since then, right, I mean it's
been a while, right, So go ahead. What else did you have
you throw in there? What was about what the collars talking about in the
new alleged you know, Chinese virus. I've not seen anything about that yet.
I know before the war broke out in Israel that a lot of the
all independent and art media was all had been following its mouth more or less
fan probably about a month that you know, lockdowns is coming, blah blah
blah, and you know it was it kind of you know, became obvious
that that was just you know them mostly click baiting, and that's what it
turned out. I'm not saying, you know, folks, you know,
screaming that I ain't kind of putting some of this shit in check, but
getting people you know, back ready, but you know, show me,
you know what I'm saying, that's that's got to go around me. And
if it happens, okay, you know, thank you for trying to warn
everybody. If not, well, okay, I guess you had something to
talk about. Yeah, no, I absolutely see what you're saying. There
is there was seemingly an intent at first to warn and then after that.
I think there was a dog pile afterwards in media land, alleged aut media
land, where there was clickbaiting after that because they saw success and you know,
some of those guys like Malone and all those, through their substacks,
were the first people trying to warn, you know, the typical guys,
right, because I get their stuff every day. And yeah, definitely I
think they were fully with the intent to try and warn people. But I
think a lot of you know, opinionators out there just piled on. Yeah,
I agree with you, so go ahead. Anything else then, well,
I definitely want to agree with what the other caller said about working age
men. Yes, I think it is more about the working age men versus
the military age men. I mean, you know, here again, folks,
I'm not saying that something couldn't happen if you look at it on paper.
Yeah, we've got a lot of folks from other countries in there,
and from countries that you know doesn't really like the so called American way,
even though some of that's because of the hypocrisy of the American way. You
know, probably there's a good chance of but you know, I do agree
with him. I think a lot it was more about you know, my
my private company having you know fresh you know, slave labor versus you know,
military age men that you know, we're going to be out here fighting
in the streets. You know that that would not happen in a bigger city.
But you know, I don't think it's gonna happen out in the middle
of you know, East Tennessee or you know, Missouri, color Rather or
whatever. But you know, I, in fact, there's a lot too
that. And I also think that that's you know, been the main driver,
you know, of the illegals. I mean, Tucker crosses South about
it over the years. And you know, Jimmy mentioned earlier about eleven million
illegals. Tony Aardman said within the last year as a listed one of his
shows, and he said he'd heard eleven million since he was a kid.
Well, I've heard that eleven millian for the last twenty or better. And
at the same time this looked this while Biden's been president, how many articles
have we seen two hundred and seventy five a week, one hundred thousand a
week, fifty thousand a week. You know, hilf a million this month,
you know, supposedly just came in. Well did they stop counting alvos?
You know? I mean I would say that he would probably have to
be closer to I mean, I'm most say it have to be thirty or
forty million. I mean it's a baron bones. I mean I've been,
you know, screaming in all eleven. I mean, are they not counting
the children? But few? Yeah? No bye by the math. Look
you got to keep adding them together, that's true. So and there you
have it. So let's go to vance on this next because he's next in
order, right be Pete, there we go, I got advanced. Okay,
thank you, sorry, So back to it advance you know here here
it is all these considerations. Of course, this is something to be looked
at. There there is the fast track for the illegals of course, with
you know, going to military service. But I think they're right about this,
the the idea that there's going to be I mean, what was the
big complaint the past couple of years, right ever since the lockdowns? Not
enough labor? Not enough labor. So what do you do? He got
to source it from somewhere at least until AI takes it all over and we
have automation eliminate everybody, right Vance? Oops? Wait a second? Oh
boy, all right, I thought I clicked Vance on and maybe it's not
letting me. Huh, But no, I think I have I'm muted and
I'm trying to get there. He goes, Vance, can you hear me
now? Yeah? Yeah, you unmuted me and then it went back on,
said back on mute. So I'm sorry how it happened, but sorry
about that at any right, you know, the China virus thing or whatever,
the new thing over there. I hadn't heard anything until y'all mentioned it.
But you know, it seems to me that you know, every year
you get a new strain of a new virus, because you know about you
know, the whole narrative. So you know, it kind of wreaks some
fear porn to me. And you know, I don't even know part of
you determine if you got the flu or if you got COVID, because you
know, as far as I know, the test is the same and the
test as COVID. I mean, I tested positive for COVID, but I'm
certain I didn't have COVID. Have any respiratory effects or anything. But the
test said that I was positive for COVID, right, so you know,
I'm I'm I'm still confused about you know, what's the difference in COVID versus
the flu, you know, because it seems that the symptoms are all very
similar, et cetera. And you know, regardless, regardless, I mean,
you know that I don't discount. I'm fully aware that that research for
that dis posed coronavirus technology whatever started here then went to China. So I'm
not aboard, do you know? It's all China. You know, perpetrating
this on us is some evil plied or whatever. But the you know,
regardless of what it is, it seems to me that the vact seen is
what's killing more people than anything and harming more people, and so for whatever
reason, and for all the reasons, you know, this is basically a
demicide that's going on on all front. You know, there's the demoside with
the vaccines, and the demoside with the Israeli stuff and the Ukraine stuff,
and you know, we don't really have much industry left here, you know,
so it's not like everything ain't already being made in Mexico, and China
and you know elsewhere around in the world and Vietnam and everywhere else, and
so you know, the you know, I guess we need more road workers
and you know cement finishers and stuff like that, which they've always been available,
you know, in the past. But you know, the economy and
everything, it's not so much that there's not enough workers. It's just that
they've made it to where it's it's you know, for some people, you
know, easier not to work than to go and work because you can't really,
you know, you go bust your ass on that hot pavement, you
know, like I'm sure be peeping. I'm sure they probably pay their guys
good. But you know what I'm saying, I'm digressing here. But the
you know, that's that, you know, there's no doubt in my mind
that these people know what they're doing. And and you know, the the
there needs to be accountability, you know, had for that. And when
they keep you know, bringing another new thing up, you know, every
every you know, season and whatever, then you know, there's it's real
hard for anybody to to I don't know, you know, how do we
make a stand against that? How do we how do we get relief.
How do we get someone to go and and and pay attention to the obvious
statistics and evidence that these people don't know what they're talking about, have presented.
They're just gonna, you know, ignore it and keep you know,
doing it again, right, And look, I've got an open mind about
all this. I'm gonna put you on hold, but I got an open
mind about all all this. I tend to hear from you that you think
the general culling is occurring, and why not use a lot of different methodologies.
That's the way I see it too. But you know, I'm a
crazy conspiracy theorist. So what can I do anyway? Again, not about
my opinion, but b Pete, this is a pretty spirited conversation. I
think we got to go to Jimmy James before we go back around to Wilson.
What do you think? Yes, yes, definitely anything you want to
add though, before I get to Jimmy, Well, I agree with a
lot of the things that have been said to speak to Vance's point. Yes,
it was determined even before the first real big, huge outbreaks when they
started talking about COVID, that it was a technology that was being used here
in North Carolina, University of North Carolina Med School, they were working on
it, and there were several other labs involved at some of these other institutions,
some of them governments, some of them educational, And when the band
was put on this experimental gain of function research, they just you know,
buttoned up the operation and took their samples with them and went over to Wuhan
and that's where it continued. So yeah, it's not just China. I've
from the very beginning of this, I've been pointing out to people that this,
you know, we've been funding this stuff and we disallowed it to happen
here. So, you know, like all the other clan to sne stuff
that we see going on, take it to another country and fund it over
there, That's exactly what happened, and it came back to bite us.
This recent outbreak I've not heard much on. It's a resptory distress that's going
on in China, so I haven't been able to find out more than that,
and it's contained to a couple areas. But you know, some of
these people in some of these labs are in China might be the ones that
you know, they get told by their boss Okay, you've been exposed to
this. Now go hang out at the wet market for a week. So
we've got something we can blame it on later when we see the pandem mixed
start and I'm wondering if you know the employees are sitting around looking at it.
Hey, I had to go start the last pandemic. Gets your turn,
you know, I quit picking on me. Well, fair, if
that's what it's coming to. Fair, Yeah, it's a method, right
go ahead. Oh no, I'm sorry. What I was gonna do is
say we we should get to Jimmy and then allow everybody to get into final
word because we're over the two hours and it'll probably take us another half hour
to get through everybody's final word, because I want to give everybody a chance.
Whs on the line to uh, you know, give us a final
something, let advance promote his podcast, uh, and so on. Harlan
will probably have something he wants to drop on us. But before we go
there, we got to let Jimmy James chime in on all this and U
and also let Jimmy get his final word in when he's done. So,
Jimmy, your thoughts on the whole vaccination viral discussion, China, et cetera,
et cetera. That's gone on here, and then give us your final
word for the week, and we'll go through everybody after that. All on
vaccines, Traditionally I would have said, your children apparently should get the first
several the months of rebella, et cetera. But I no longer would even
trust them to do that, just my opinion. They bag about how they
could put COVID vaccines in et cetera and other things. So unfortunately, on
my recommendation for what it's worth, which is nothing because I'm not a doctor,
nonetheless, I would not recommend people get their children vaccinated at all until
there's some accountability. It's the vaccine situation now, as far as pants silent
Jay and mister Wilson, if it is in detail name various allegations of opening
the borders to increase the workforce and then to kill them with the virus.
I guess for some reason. Uh well, of course, of course it's
true. Plently, question is isn't it? Is it the insect isoids or
the insept zoids, the insect, is it effectoids or the insect? Who's
the top man? Is it? The insect is isoids or accept azoids.
Could just be the could just be the king of the sociopaths that happens to
be at the top of the hill at the moment right Oh, the most
crazy. Yeah, so maybe Briden is in charge after all. You not
bad, Jimmy. So there you go. Oh you just rounded it all
out perfectly. Any final word you want to put on this one for the
week. I just talked everyone a good weekend and it's continue who just support
the Ukrain Israel, our allies for God's sake, it's not not our own
country. Crumble. Everyone have a good one for Uncle. Yeah, that's
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So we'll keep Jimmy on hold just in case we get back around to
him for some reason. But what do you think, b Pete, You
want me to randomly pull people on and get their final word for the week,
whatever it might be. Sure, all right, so let's just roll
the dice here on my screen, and looks like I'm going to Harlan first
for his final word of the week. Harlan, it's on you, hey
man, it's you can put the monkey on my back. It's all right,
all right, Well, if everybody has a good week. Bat one
thing left that I've got, says, if we're trying to wind this down,
is, you know, back to BP's original storyline about the lost sizer.
I actually have a fun that the doctor's even told him that his heart
problems he's about forty nine fifty years old, is from getting the jabs.
That's something that's went on here for the last you know, five or six
months, so you know, more and more of that stuff is starting to
come out. That's just one person that I know that I know that wouldn't
lie to me or just get dramatic, just you know, to be getting
that way. I mean, this ain't a far left loan that just got
you know, a jabbst remorse. I guess you could call it, but
I like that. Sorry, good yeah, yeah, good try you know,
I mean, and you know, if you ever come up with the
with the cottage Jesus, you may have remore from men jabbed of another nature.
But anyway, Jeb, yes, nice, Yeah, a lot of
us we're going anyway. I want to just pass it on around and give
everybody else a change. So I know there's other collars on there. It's
not got to as much as I do. But if you want to check
out my new rumble channel, this only has one short video on it.
I'm gonna start doing some streams here and there when I get everything say it
up. You know, some of them are just gonna be wide open,
just say what you want. You know. Some of them's gonna miss more
serious issues of the local nature around my home area. Once I get going,
If that doesn't fall through cool Harlan stone forty five. Harlan Stonewall forty
five is the Rumble Channel. Yes, all one word. I guess you
could say, you know, it's just my profile on there. I've not
looked into actually, you know, starting a channel. You know, yeah,
I may just try to just you know, keep it out on there.
You go to get intwo or three, it just goes to confusing everybody.
And I'm Auso on Twitter, real Harlan and Harlan stone Wall on Facebook.
There you go. So we we got a little promo clip and indeed
we got Harlan's final word and he is now officially our from under Cheese expert.
So let's go to next on the roll of the dice. Wilson is
up next. Wilson, your final word of the week, Avoid the cottage,
change disease and vote for Jimmy James. Harlan Stonewall, twenty twenty four.
Thanks very much. There it is Wilson with his final word of the
week, and let's advance final word of the week. Well, just as
everyone else said, have a great weekend, and I don't really come on
here to promote my show, which something it's not mine I'm just a guest
host, but I guess I'll say anybody that's interested. That's a Saturday night
anarchy show on PMP on Rumble and seven o'clock to usually ten. We went
four hours last time and I was about beat after that. But similar conversations
to everything here. So you know, if you'd like to call in here,
call in over there, and you gotta you have to text her like
chat or in the chat, you know, to bring you on. You
have to be linked log on through a link. I forget the name of
the app that you got to, you know, get a link to to
log on. But if you'll just make comments or whatever, we'll get you
in there. And that's live on Rumble and Twitter too, right, I
believe it's on Twitter as well. I'm sorry, that's the only place I
watch it and I don't do Twitter and all that, so no problem.
I'm just trying to help you out, you know, whichever way. Appreciate
you for calling in, that's for sure, and uh, you know,
wish you luck with that over there. So that's Van's I think we still
have j On well hold on, hold on one second, hear I think
we still have j On the line. Let's see that might be Jay.
Is that Jay? Hello? Is this Jay? Nope? Oh okay,
sorry I rolled the dice and rolled to the wrong line. All right,
it looks like we got everybody, Unless you want to go back around,
Bpete, it's on you for the final word of the week. Well,
you know, the vaccually seasons upon us, and we're going to be dealing
with this for the next few months. It would be curious to see what's
going to come out as the main debate debate topic on each side, because,
like I said, I don't think the public is ready for another mass
clothes or I don't think it's going to get that far. It'll be curious,
though, we have the capability of anything hit us. You know,
it was this time of year that COVID really started taking off around the world.
We didn't really get into it hard until March of the next year.
So who knows what's been released on us up till now. But you know,
put your faith in your doctor whatever he tells you. I'm not going
to be getting any vaccines from anybody anytime soon, regardless of the situation.
So we'll see how it carries out. We're at the beginning of the flu
season. Let's see how bad it gets. Other than that, you know,
never trust the government, especially in the next year, because they're going
to be pulling this way and that to try to get a decision out of
you. It's a shame. We don't have any better choices than we have.
But we're going to have a long year ahead of us. Starting in
January, they're gonna start pounding this left right left right, left right.
I would advise everybody to cut the cable, cut the TV off, get
as far away from it as you can, because you're going to be politically
added to death. And it's unfortunate that that's how our system works, but
it's the only system we got right now, until some people come to in
their senses, we get rid of some of the blockages towards modernity that we've
got in our Congress, in our Senate, right, you know, So
just keep your chin up over the next year. If you get sick,
pump the vitamin C, you know, drink plenty of fluids, get plenty
of rest, and we'll make it through this exactly. Well, look,
I'm sweating and apparently spiking another fever. But one way or another, I'm
going to get rolling by next week. In the next couple of weeks,
we'll hear from what We'll get to Passing the Torch with Larry Hancock, We'll
get an update from Mike Swanson about his recent article regarding Lumpkin. We'll get
into it with Pipe of Bimbo and Red if I can get my hands on
that book, which I'm supposed to shortly, well, we'll get to a
bunch of things, and in fact we might even hear from Doc Ram Richard
Allen Miller in the next week or so, maybe two weeks. But by
the end of December, you're going to hear from a lot of people on
the network that a you haven't heard from in a while and some you've never
heard from before. Also, I'm planning on getting together with Alex Harris again,
maybe talking about some of the films involving JFK. Some nine to eleven
people that are weird might come on, and a couple other people from coast
to coast am contacts that came through, because that was weird as hell some
of the emails I got. No, I'm not going to bring on the
guy who claims to be channeling JFK to tell us the truth from the grave.
Not my style, but who knows, maybe, maybe, just maybe
we'll get there. If you guys demand it, I might do it.
So get in your support at otell do that, because that's what's gonna keep
us running over the next year. And I want to send the free archive
to as many people as possible. So if you're a supporter at Ocelli dot
com, either you're on the supporter wall, or you're on the mailing list
because you're a monthly subscriber. Whatever, get on the mailing list. Send
to me info at Ocelly dot com or blind JFK researcher at gmail dot com.
Either way, let me know that you need to be on the mailing
list or find out how to get on the mailing list. I'm gonna send
out a decade's worth of archive shows to everybody on that mailing list in twenty
twenty four. That's the way that's going. That's my little ad for the
week. And that's all I got to say about that. This one is
in the books. So I thank Vpete, I thank Vance, I thank
Wilson Jay, and let's see Harlan uh And of course Jimmy James for making
this show possible, as well as executive producer, which is what's going to
happen from now on. Regarding supporters of the show. Executive producer for tonight,
I believe her name is Mica m y Ka, and I'm just going
to use first names. You're the executive producer for tonight because you chipped in
at oelly dot com. So anybody who does that from now on gets a
shout out on air. Thanks a lot, and we will do this again
next week. Until then, I am merely O'Kelly, and all of you
are indeed the effect. Goodnight,