Hey, everybody, welcome to Rose Pricks. It's me Stephanie Wilder Taylor and
my friend Cecily Nobler and here comes part two of our fascinating episode with Dave
Neil. So. June tenth was the final court date and they were basically
in this evidential hearing, which is family court. But it was at this
point she had she had changed the date of her quote unquote miscarriage. We
basically called her out on our lives to the point where she claimed she was
pregnant up until twenty four weeks and then later claimed she miscarried much earlier.
She never had a death certificate. The only ultrasound that she claims was real,
she admitted in her deposition to altering the date and the location now excuse
me the location of it, and claimed it was actually from Mission via Ho,
not Scottsdale. She later claims she committed this medical fraud because she didn't
want Clayton to find out where she got the ultrasound. Under oath while being
cross examined on June tenth, she then claimed the ultrasound that she took on
July second of twenty twenty three actually claim came from a Los Angeles planned parenthood
because Clayton's side hired a you know, planned parenthood expert who said, we
don't even do that type of ultrasound in Mission vie Ho. Come to find
out, July second is Sunday. Planned parenthoods in Los Angeles are closed on
Sunday. So she literally shat all over truth justice and had no problem whatsoever
destroying these men's lives. She has a restraining order against all three of these
last victims that still exists. So if you know, say you want to
go buy a house in Scottsdale and Clayton's your attorney, you don't know anything
about this good looking guy. Let's just google Clayton and then you find out
he's got all this stuff. You go, I don't want to buy a
house from this guy. I don't know what the truth is now. The
judge ruled after the June tenth trial that she has a pattern of doing this,
that she never sought actual medical attention from an actual doctor, never got
an ultrasound, and the other thing she did was she sent all of this
fraudulent information to me. She actually was testing positive for hCG a level of
one oh two, which is like nothing, and she was testing that far
like five months into her into her I mean, I'm sorry, I'm sorry.
It's a pregnancy hormone that has to be above a certain amount for you
to be pregnant. YEA. So like so if you pee on the stick,
it's just a binary pregnant or not right, But it's kind of like
a COVID test where sometimes the line's darker and sometimes it's not. So her
pregnancy tests were always a faint line and you only have to test above a
level four. But at five months pregnant, you would probably be somewhere in
the hundred thousands level. So when she sent me or ag test, it
said one hundred and thirty four thy nine hundred or whatever it was, it
was in the one hundred and thirty thousands, and I was like, oh
shit, okay, whatever, I don't know what this means, but whatever.
And then months later, you know, I forgot she sent that to
me. Months later, she posts her her real hCG report, which was
a level one oh two point zero, which again would only be like if
you were five days pregnant or like a week pregnant, because it goes up
exponentially, so we proved I mean, same case, number, same everything.
We proved that she faked it, and then at that point she had
to admit to faking it and all of the other cases. She says,
oh my ex hacked into my account, even though we have video of her.
Her ex, Greg has meticulous of receipts. He has video and audio
of her saying, this is the ultrasound, you know, the five or
one, the one that she stole from somebody. So we got her,
we got her, We got her, just pegged left and right, We
got the you know, we got the the ovarian cancer, even though she
claims it wasn't her. We got we just got it all. And she
just she just thinks she can get away with lying. So they threatened to
assume me for defamation for one hundred and forty million dollars. Meanwhile, I've
got a pregnant wife at the time, who I'm trying to, you know,
take care of. But my greatest defense and continuing to cover this is
to try to get the truth out. Now probably wanted to get into this.
Obviously, I've been blasted by some folk over my continued coverage of this
kind of like ay, Dave, you asked for this. You know a
lot of people including Nick Vaiel, covered this deleted my name from the conversation,
like literally edited my name out and wanted to rewrite the story as if
they were there supporting Clayton all along. In October, Clayton did not have
a lawyer, so all of this was going down, and he kind of
thought, you know, he was buying a you know, investing in an
airbnb, so he was cash poor. He thought he could just show up
and defend himself because he had all the receipts, not knowing these family court
trials or like twenty minute segments and he and it was looking so bad for
him that she had a lawyer, and they tried to present Clayton with like
a USB drive of evidence at the last minute, and Clayton's like, I
don't even have a computer with me in the court. And he was like,
I can't. I don't even know what we're looking at. So the
judge said, all right, we'll come back in one week. So it
was at that point we were all watching this live play out on like the
Family Court website, and it was at that point I texted Clayton after being
like, dude, we need to get you a lawyer, and we raised
ten thousand dollars in the next two days and got him a lawyer who then
was able to cross examine Laura, his accuser, and get her on record
with all of these things that months later, we'd find out she all lied
about seeing a doctor doing this, seeing she saying she was one hundred percent
pregnant. She had a fake baby belly bump in court. So because we
had a very strong lawyer named Deandra, a very a young mother who worked
for Woodenick Law, we were able to raise all this mother to get justice
served. Now what's happening, And again, I'm over it at this point.
But for those that are wondering why I've been bitter, is now people
go, oh, Clayton was going to win this all along, and I
go no. We had hundreds of people, mainly women, ninety two percent
of my audience's women donate to Clayton's legal funds so that they could really push
for justice. And because of that specific move, everything started falling in place.
But they donated to him, they donated to my legal fund when I
was getting sued, and all these people are now being accused of just being
part of some dumb cult, and they it's like, I just can't let
the story get rewritten. So you have a good amount of people online they
probably don't follow the story and see me as like a men's right sky and
I go, no, that's not what it is. I've made my bones
in the YouTube community defending Cassie Randolph from Colton Underwood, defending you know,
like in most cases, there's more female victims in the Bachelor, you know
world, I would say, from all of these f boys. But I
just wasn't gonna let it go. And and the fact that Nick didn't cover
this till January really made me upset because here I have and again just so
people understand, because I don't need to get in the specifics, but a
friend of mine, a Bachelor alumni, blasted me online, just blasted me.
I mean, I took a real I took a real beat, and
metaphorically I took it like a man. I tried to. But my my
reason of being bitter is that nobody was talking about this as I was getting
threatened with a multimillion dollar lawsuit, and all I needed was Bachelor alumni to
come together and support one of their own Nick viel knew that Clayton was innocent.
They had already talked on the phone for an hour. He just didn't
want to cover it, so I just thought everyone. I just think because
he didn't want to get sued, But I got sued because no one else
would if everyone just covered it. She wasn't gonna sue everybody. And in
the end, I'm in the right, so I'm not. You know,
she might still sue me for like emotional distress. She's trying. She's trying
to still she's gonna fuck with me for a long time. But you can't
win if you're just telling the truth, right. But she's always gotten away
with punishing people through lawsuits. So I'm the first person that has monetized this.
So I've said I'm going to keep making money talking about this, So
the more she tries to come after me, the bigger my fund will be
to pursue the truth. Now it's kind of used against me saying, oh,
Dave's just profiting off of this, and I go, I know,
my community raised all the funds to even get Clayton a fighting shot. Here,
she wasn't gonna win this. And for those wondering what the big deal
is if she got a restraining order against me, she'd be able to use
that till the end of times because she's used it against these other guys.
She got restraining orders based on lies with these guys, and she's able to
use that to see see I'm right, Why else would I have a restraining
order against them? And then with her last her victim from twenty sixteen,
she wrote, she made a ted X video about it. She's in chicken
Soup for the soul with it, with the story claiming him chicken soup for
the soul. And by the way, the photo she used for domestic violence
in her ted X talk, we found out through our authenticating of this laptop
it was the same set of photos she used to claim she was getting her
ovary removed to the same guy, So she literally could take the same photo
in one case say all right, I'm getting my ovary removed, like come
come nurse me back to help. She even got the fake doctor that she
made up to say like we think your boyfriend should take care of you,
you know, like complete crazy stuff. She used the same set of photo
to then say he committed DV against her, and she never even accused him
of DV until until he finally got the courts and the police involved to get
her away from him. So you just get to see someone who so clearly
was ruining these people's lives. And because they are male victims, it has
made it almost like a cultural issue that nobody wants to talk about. And
it's like, this doesn't make me a men's rights activist. It just so
happens these victims are men because in this system, people unfettered were just like
assuming he was in the wrong here, and he's got insane levels of receipts.
So now now the negative Nellies in the community go, no, he
was gonna win all along, and I go, I refuse to let people
believe that was the case. He was taking a fat loss on this and
next year you would have read about it in a book, you know,
and then there would be no evidence. So we were able to call it
out right away. And now because of that, I mean, could she
still try to assume me she can do she can try to do whatever she
wants. And I mean it took me ten thousand dollars to just defend myself
in a simple court that didn't even go to trial. You know what I
mean. So she absolutely continued to mess with people. So it must have
felt a little bit hurtful that the way I know the story, so you've
been doing all this has been going on for a long time, you've been
reporting on it, you've been an ally to Clayton. Somebody said, I
think I have this story correct. Somebody said on Instagram or whatever, Hey,
I wish other people from Bachelor Nation had come out in support of Clayton,
Like I wish more people had come out in support of Clayton, and
you said, I think, yeah, that would have been great. And
then somebody who's Katie Thurston did a whole post saying very upset and feeling personally
attacked, that they had a lot of other stuff going on in their life
and that's why they weren't, you know, going hard for Clayton. And
I felt like, just from what I read, and I don't know the
story, but I felt like kind of making it sound like you were personally
attacking them and you weren't right. You were the only It would be great
if more what you just said right now, which is like if every if
a lot of people had come forward and been supportive of him, we couldn't
have all gotten suit. Yeah. So so here's the deal, right,
if that conversation happened in person, I would have literally just try to give
her a bear hug and go, oh my gosh, I'm not trying to
come off this way. I didn't. I think Nick was probably the only
person that I was like a blatantly upset with for not talking about it,
because he did edit my name out of one of his videos, So like,
not only was he not giving credit, and it's like I don't need
the credit, but you know we were, we were actively raising money for
Clayton. Like I don't need the credit, but like, don't take don't
edit me out if Clayton's trying to you know, be like, oh yeah,
Dave took care of me. Whatever. With Katie, like, have
I been bitter about this scenario? Obviously, So if she feels like I've
changed, I want to take inventory over that and own up to that and
go I do need I do need therapy over this. This is in a
time where we were pregnant, My wife was pregnant, I was moving,
buying my first home, finally had a little bit of like a little bit
of like family wealth that could put a small down payment on a home right
And it's like I couldn't afford a home in California. I hadn't moved to
Tennessee. But I finally have something. And now there's this lady online,
Laura, who's threatening to sue it all away from me. After years,
you know, ten years of doing stand up comedy and driving uber and doing
all these things, I finally carved out my niche that's trying to hurt nobody,
and I'm trying to defend Clayton. And I'm not asking for people to
support me. I'm asking for them to support Clayton, a guy I have
zero allegiance to. I just go. I thought when something wrong happens and
bad happens to Bachelor alumni, that they come together. And Nick and others
have blasted me, not by name, but they said they think we're all
part of some community. And it's like, I just thought you would be
like you guys all go through something that no one else has been through.
With regards to Katie, I just I it. It's hurt me way.
I don't I don't want to come off as a victim. It's hurt me
way more. Because I do feel misunderstood. I I oh, I will
continue, like Katie was at you know, she's at my my wedding,
like we invite her because we really like her. And I'm I'm holding all
the space in the world for for hopefully someday having a conversation because I'm not
I don't write people off. And I but I but I but I have
to own up to if I triggered the hell out of her, which I
did, that that that's because that's because she saw me as a friend and
didn't like what was going on so publicly I got to go. I don't
know, like what did I do wrong? But just so you know,
when I first got sued, I sent everyone I know, like a ten
minute voice note. I remember being on the one oh one. I'm stuck
in traffic. I sent everyone a voice note to be like, here's what's
happening. This is gonna look bad because I'm getting sued by a woman I've
never met her. I'm defending the truth. It's all gonna play out.
It all did play out, But there is that bitterness that I'm not denying
where I go, I thought so The reddit, the main Bachelor subreddit I'm
blocked from and they pretty much didn't know why. It's we don't have the
time. They they I'm it's it's a whole thing. But uh, I
feel it was unjust, and I've asked after a year that they undo it,
just so that when there is a thread about me, I could have
an honest voice in the conversation. Maybe we can help, Maybe we can
help with that somehow. Well, no, it doesn't, it doesn't matter.
It's it's probably for the better that I don't go into that world.
But I've always just wanted a fair voice. If you're on stage as a
comedian and so on, heckles you all right, let's go, let's go.
When it happens on there, you don't even know if you're talking to
one person or if there's seven accounts behind that person. You don't know if
you're being astroturfed, which is the you know, the the the ability online
to make it seem like there's a bigger amount of hate than there actually is.
So either either way, I go. They didn't share Clayton's go like,
we had an audience of a hundreds of thousands of people that could have
all come together and just put an endto this right away, and they pretty
much banned the conversation and it forced us a separate subreddit called Justice for Clayton,
and the other Bachelor subreddit ended up getting a slew of new audience because
it became like you're either pro Dave on this subreddit or pro Dave on this
one. And it was like all I've tried to do, Like I'm not
I'm aware of the privilege of having a nice little audience on YouTube. Every
year, we do Amazon wish lists for the teachers in our community, and
I'm so proud of this. We have, like we have a lady named
Denise, she's our philanthropy chair. We put together a single mom's Christmas wish
list and it brings people in myself to tears to see our little community do
so much good for certain people, and that's all we ever want to do.
And we saw this justice moment for Clayton going he's not going to get
out of this and without everyone's help, and no one else picked up the
bill, and I was like, we can't this bill here, Like somebody's
got to do this. So I'm not saying I'm not bitter. I'm saying
I guess I am. I guess I am bitter about it. But I'm
not the one saying no what in anyone. I never asked for anyone to
support me publicly, but like I had friends like Jess Ambrose, good friend.
She privately was, you know, messaged me and I'm saying her because
there's so much love there, she's you know, and she was like,
Dave, they always say to like check on your strong friends, and I
was like, I didn't realize I needed someone to check check in on me,
but I was, you know, my family doesn't know what's going on
because they don't follow this content. And I was like, I was in
a rough place where I was getting the brunt of the legal threats just by
trying to bring this story to light. Okay, So then don't you feel
a little bit like it's kind of messed up for somebody to sort of unfriend
you based on like taking something personally and being like, no, I didn't
want to publicly support you. I why are you trying to put the blame
on yourself. I'm because here's what I've learned in my happy relationship is that
if my wife gets mad at about something, I have to find out what
I did to contribute to that. So with my friendship with Katie, like
I don't and obviously she's talked about the issues she's going through. I don't
want it to be like a zero sum game where you have to support Clayton
or you have to support that if if somebody that's an alumni doesn't have the
wherewithal to support Clayton, like that's totally fair. I just thought someone,
I mean, there's hundreds of alumni. I just a lot of people.
When Clayton kind of like was vindicated, a lot of people commented on his
thing, but none of them, you know, I think Susie Evans and
maybe one other person, where like the only people to donate to is legal
Funds, And like he wasn't you know, he came off the show beaten
down. He wasn't getting influencer deals, he didn't get the million followers.
He kind of came came you know, we remember I was seasoned whin he
didn't. You know, he's just trying to you know, renovate an airbn
be and live humbly. He lives in an apartment, Like this isn't some
guy who's like he's got it all he'll be Okay, buck up Clayton.
No, like the guy needed help and so should like hook up. Yeah
that's friends as best a Regrex podcast. But so no, So I'm not
I'm trying not to be upset with Katie. I'm trying to think of it
like, dang, I there's a lot of collateral damage that came from me
trying to do the right thing. I was guilty in that Reddit comment of
saying Clayton's not going to forget who didn't support him. That came off way
too you know, mafia, That wasn't you know. I mean, I
wasn't wrong Clayton. Clayton knows who supports him, but like I don't need
to speak for him. And I've been pretty loose with my with my calling
out alumnis in general for like not you know, like doing something with the
privilege they have with their platform. If this were like, I mean,
remember black Lives Matter, If you didn't post the black remember that, people
were like like lasting alumni for not falling in line and supporting something, which
is like cool whatever, own up to that. But like nobody was coming
together, and I just again, I don't mean to sound redundant. So
when I sound bitter, it's like, yeah, no, absolutely, I
just hope and again, if Giddy ever listens or somebody else, I hope
they understand maybe I maybe when you see me on camera ranting and raving,
you see a strong man. But just know, like my inner child,
I'm I'm as fucked up and wounded by this as anybody else, because all
I've wanted was some justice for somebody that I don't have any allegiance to.
But I just thought that this was like like if I I would not look
at myself in the eye at night if I didn't do something when my whole
channel is it has been Bachelor content, and and I'm happy with all it
played out. And I got a ton of praise, and I got a
ton of people on Patreon supporting me and all these other things, but like
the collateral damages, people all have different things going on in their life and
and I would have just I don't know, like I said, if it
happened in person, I would have bear hugged the hell out of her and
said, Katie, I truly do see you as like a sister, like
you're just a person that I root for. I still do, and when
I heard her story recently, it's heartbreaking. There's there should be no crossover
between the two. I've just been pushing for Clayton and not trying to you
know, it's a it's a positivity thing. I'm not I'm not even trying
to push for the demise of Clayton's accuser. Although because of the good work
of our audience, the judge did did make a recommendation that she gets prosecuted
and the Maricopa County Prosecutor has an investigator assigned to her more her crimes of
perjury and medical fraud. So it's so like she could go to jail,
and while it's so crazy, could go to jail, Like after hearing all
this, like it's amazing to me that she's not already that this hasn't happened,
and guy hasn't killed himself over stuff over these kinds. That's right,
And to me, I just want to say, you don't sound bitter.
You sound like a loyal person trying to just do the right thing. It
doesn't sound like you came after anyone specifically. You've just you know, you've
helped it. I'll explain, And this is good therapy for me. So
maybe this means nothing. I don't know, but I initially when people told
me, Dave, just drop it. She's suing you take care of your
family and Katie and other people. Probably I'm just I'm just guessing. Probably
it was like, Dave, just you don't need this, like you've made
good money, you just drop it. And I don't think I properly was
able to communicate to them, like you don't understand I'm going to get sued
if I don't prove the truth. And my best defense of my family is
to use every resource I have to expose this fraud. And that's all I
was able to do so like I had so like did I lose a friend?
Maybe I lost some people maybe, But like, let me tell you
something. When I went to Arizona for the court case, Mike Marriccini,
one of the victims, his wife comes up to me and goes, I
feel like I could hug you. I was like, bring it on,
let's go. Like I don't even know these people, but this whole trial
has vindicated them from a story where they where they were abusers. Greg Gillespie's
they just had a baby victim too. His girlfriend, big bear hugs.
Clayton's dad hugged me with the fourth of a thousand fathers when I met him,
and I didn't grow up with a dad, and I was like,
oh my gosh, thank you, big tall man bear hug. And I'm
like, this is why we did this for these people, because this story
wasn't everything to everybody, but to them it was everything. And no one
wanted to see their son, their significant other, or their brother. No
one want to see them go through this because to the outside eye, to
the friend from high school who's not watching this closely, they go this,
it sounds like a monster. It was all made up. I just hope
for you, I hope. My wish for you is that you can feel
good about what you did and get back to just like bagging on The Bachelor
the way it is, the way it's meant to be bagged on, way
it's meant to be made fun of. Yeah, so I'm gonna I'm gonna
for sure got to do that. It's it's there are multiple feelings. I
am the type that will I mean, I hate to say it. I
will sit up at night with my eyes open ruminating about the fact that I've
got like unfinished business in friendships or or people or content creators that no longer
answer the phone, and I go, dang ah fuck, Like all I
tried to do was something good and again my channel's monetized, Like I get
it, this is part of my job. But from the human element,
like I just I just thought that this is the type of stuff where we
come together for the audience, did and be friends with everybody? Dave,
you can't and you can't be successful and please everybody, as I think we
established earlier in this episode. You know, yeah, we want to take
something personally and get mad at you and make that a public post saying like
leave me alone when you weren't calling them out. That's up to them.
Yeah, so I here, I appreciate that. But here's here's like,
you know, where I where I do empathize with Katie is that I'm sure
you know, people try to be loyal towards me, and I'm sure she
got screen grabs and dms and you know what I mean, Like, it's
not like it's coming from me. But what I've what I've had to realize
is with my audience, if I if I have an opinion, it'll if
I don't like something or if I have a beef with somebody, all these
people online are going to go try to do my dirty work. Like,
you know, we were talking to a major media personality that was going to
cover this story and then they kind of like dropped the ball on it.
And then I get it. I get cced on a very hurtful email from
one of my fans, and I'm like, no, don't do this.
Like people try their best and they're so defensive over me, but sometimes it's
like, I'm sure Katie got those dms, was like, you know what,
fuck this guy. And I'm not saying she was wrong to do that.
I'd never on her season, not on her season when she was one
of the contestants for lack of a better word, on Matt James's season,
she was the trying. She was being the dave. She should empathize with
you. She was the one who was trying to stick up for the girls
being called the girl Anna I think being called a hooker or no, Anna
was calling another girl you know what, you know what I'm talking In my
world, she was the I justice for girls who are having things said about
them, So she should understand like that your heart was in it for Clayton.
Katie. Katie's super kind and thoughtful in certain ways. That when my
dog had a serious emergency serve, she was the first person to text me
the morning after and we didn't sleep all night. It was like an overnight
surgery. He survived. This was like three years ago, so it was
like early on and she was asking how like she you know, she she
we empathized over the family, over the the you know, the animal,
the pet thing. Our dog passed away like twelve days ago, and oh
yeah, God, I mean fifteen years old, you know, God bless
them. And it's like, I just I would have loved if my friendship
with her was there because I know she would have been like really good at
you know, knowing, you know the you know the I had a handle
a friend who's going through a loss like that. And again I had a
million people you take care of me and send flowers and things like that.
But I'm not. It's you hesitate to talk about these things because if if
the third if she hears third party Dave's talking about you on a hit podcast,
blah blah blah, he goes, No, if you listen to me.
You just know, I don't think she was wrong to feel her feelings
and and it's not it's not just me taking the high road. I do
see a scenario where her and I can talk about it someday on a podcast
or privately or something to hurt. Yeah, you'll be friends again, you'll
be all right. Well and if we and if we don't, it's fine
too. But it's almost like you don't want to lose a friend over what
what you believe. Like if I if I, like if I really fucked
somebody over and then they were like fuck that guy'd be like, yeah you
know I yeah, yea, I talked about you and yeah whatever. But
like I, I, in my heart, our hearts feel a that it
that it's misguided, and I feel that my bitterness overall wasn't subjected to her.
I don't want you know, I what I said was so so someone
said, oh, yeah, these these Bachelor influencers, and I said,
yeah, he's gonna remember all the all of them. And what I should
have said was and again be impeccable with my word is you know it's the
people, it's the Bachelor alumni that discuss social issues that I have an issue
with it's a podcasters. She's not the person I was asking for help from.
It would have been great to have Rachel Lindsay, would have been great
to have Nick Viael. You know, these are people that you know talk
about complicated topics. But because it was hearing as you're calling out Rachel Lindsay,
feud alert No, I mean, gosh, she's joking. We're totally
joking. We don't want to make him spend anything like we understand what you're
saying. I'm the same, I'm the same exact way. And really I'm
sure Stephanie too. We're up, you know, worrying about like do we
how we were taken in a situation. But you did nothing wrong. You're
you did a really good thing for someone you weren't specifically calling. She's going
through her own stuff. She'll come back, You'll have a conversation. It's
I just feel it's going to be OK. Oh, I'd kill for that
conversation Privately, I'm not trying to monetize it. But I always say that,
like publicly because it would make for great content, because that's what you
just resort back to. But show that's what I'm hearing it is like the
amount of voice notes I share with folks like Reality Steve or Game of Roses
are all these people sho's all bat Like, you know, there is a
camaraderie between content creators where like you go through things that's like you're in this
middle ground where you're not famous, you're not you're not you don't know what
the alumni have been through, but you are kind of being seen through a
microscope. And and by the way, it's not like this was a small
story. This is the biggest story to ever hit Bachelor Nation. It is
going to become a documentary. It will be more than an hour long.
It'll be like a four parter. It'll be a huge I mean, I
can't. I'm I'm fielding phone calls with top tier agents on behalf of their
clients that are considering who's going to get the exclusive of this, you know,
get all of the guys, all of the evidence, all of the
lawyers, and and it's not over his accusers of trying to appeal it.
She'll probably sue me for emotional distress. If not definitely she's not going to
win. But that's just what I've kind of resigned myself to is knowing I'm
on the right side of the story, so it'll it'll all work out.
But but yeah, I mean, it's not like it's not like this is
some bowling league niche story. It was the biggest story that nobody talked about,
right, agreed. I think we talked about it a lot today.
I think people are going to have a much better understanding of what went on.
I can't thank you enough for coming on our show. It was very
enlightening. Yeah, you are amazing. We're fans, are you know?
I drank a Celsius energy drank. We asked, we wanted you to be
able to talk about this. Do you ever want to talk about something stupid
here? But yeah, there was about stupid stuff too. Well. Appreciate
your honesty. Yeah, thank you, And you know what, you got
to hold on to your honesty. Your fans will appreciate it, and that's
all you can do. Right, come back on mid season or even early
season. Do you like one last thing before we go? Do you think
it's kind of crazy how few Asian suitors there are on the first Asian Bachelorette's
season. Yes, but if they were casting for Daisy, I'm not christ
you know, so it's kind of like, you know, it's it's what
they you know they I don't put it this way. I think the success
rate is so low anyway that it's not going to make any difference on whether
she has a happy relationship or not. I mean, it's shocking to me.
Stephanie had the same thing. She thought maybe they were casting for Maria
because it seemed like maybe kind of a geer like tatted guy. I don't
know that seemed like that. But that's so mind blowings me. They can't
just re like start over. Yeah. Well, but also like I don't
know what gens type is. I don't know what she likes. So you
know, it really comes down to like the personal level you might have Maria
want like eighteen Italian guys and like all right, we'll throw in some Irish
guys, these a couple of black guys, and you know, you don't
know, you don't know what they're looking for. Is I doubt that Gen's
type is not Asian? Well, not necessarily. She did say she grew
up in an all white community, but I don't know, Like, yeah,
I mean I can't imagine her. But you're saying like don't have any.
I see what you're saying. Yeah, I can't. She's saying,
my type is not Asian guys, please don't present. She said on her
Glamour and a Glamour interview today that she would have liked there to be more
Asian representation. And I'm sure you know she she's not part of the casting
and she did get cast late on the show. I mean, I think
they went into filming days later, so these guys don't just come out of
it. I think they could have brought some, They could have postponed it
for even a few days. They could have gotten some more Asian guys.
I don't think that the the producers of The Bachelor, I don't think that
they. Uh, there's been there's been an article that came out recently where
some producers were saying that, yes it is, it's a racist yes going
on. And you know what though, sorry that that interview where the producers
called it racist was for La Times. And they only that because it was
going to be pressed for La Times. Like they they they called it racist,
but said tune in at eight pm Monday, July eighth, like they're
trying their best. And I or maybe they're not. But with casting,
yeah, you're not even paying these guys, right, So rather than have
twenty five guys on speed dial, have fifty and have some diversity, and
then once you know who your final pick is, then you make the final
call. So it is kind of lazy on that end that they don't,
you know, because for the longest time, casting made people come to them
versus them go to the So it's like, yeah, you're not getting you're
in it. You know. It's the same reason why Saturday Night Live had
no diversity. Well, it's because they were only picking from people that could
afford these expensive improv classes. They weren't going to the stand up rooms where
there was more diversity. They were going to parts of New York where you
could afford to have your parents pay for your rent and do improv. And
sorry, that was a bunch of white people. So you've got you know,
you got to go to where the people are and find them. And
I think they've started to do that, but it's some working. You've gotten
a lot more Africa American contestants, you know, not that they uh,
I mean, not that they have enough, but I'm just saying I think
it's interesting. The bachelor wants to have it both ways. They want to
say like, look at it, look at the first Asian representation as our
first bachelorette, and then they don't want to have Asian contestants, so just
like behind follow Yeah, I think they're just behind you. Look what we're
doing. We're having the first Asian bachelorette. It's like, well, if
you really meant that, then you would have gone hard and had an Asian
representation across the board. And they made They started out really in a hole
because they brought Jen in not media trained. She was not. It was
very obvious she wasn't the first choice and because of that, there may there
the whole Gen's whole season is going to be like imposter syndrome. She said
it herself. I don't want that for her. I hope she finishes it
feeling empowered and I hope it's great for her. But she went into it
knowing she was like the scramble pick, Yeah for sure, Yeah, it's
going to be it's going to be interesting how that how that plays out.
We are here for it. Yeah, we are here for it, and
we're here for you. We really mean that literally too, like we got
your back, so tell everybody where to find you. Yeah, I really
appreciate that. I have completely rebranded my podcast. It was called Bachelor Rush
Hour. It's now called The Rush Hour or Dave Neil. I do it
twice a day. I do twenty five minutes in the morning and twenty five
minutes in the afternoon. Morning ride and afternoon ride. I cover all of
your entertainment and podcast, pop culture news, viral TikTok videos, you know,
whatever, whatever's in the Olympics. So if people want something a little
I think I'm the only person doing this now, but if someone if people
want something a little different, I treat it like your morning ride to work.
So most people's commute is twenty to thirty minutes long, and I give
you that much content, try to get you all your water cooler news,
and then if there's a cool clip or something I posted, and then I
can drive traffic to other shows. So it's kind of like a sort of
like a collaborative, you know, sort of buffet of cond ten. Now,
when the Bachelorette is airing, are you going to have specific content just
for that? Yeah, So on YouTube, I'll do like my standard twenty
minute recaps and things like that. But on the podcast, it'll just be
lighter, quicker, a little bit of whatever I feel like. Right now,
there's a like I said, a lot of Olympic trial news. There's
a lot of j Lo and you know, hawk to a girl and stupid
whatever whatever's on page six TMZ and then like random viral clips. That's what
I'm covering. But yeah, and then you know that Cecily's job as well.
I don't know if you do that about her, that's my job on
the radio. I do that on radio radio radio, which is dying.
It's a it's because it's a dying medium. Yeah, you know what.
She's been doing that for years and years and her father was a radio Yeah,
I had no idea. You know. He just interviewed Kevin Mano,
Ali Mano's husband, who's a longtime radio guy, and he does the same
thing like a day pop culture show. And again, I just I just
love to talk. I've always gravitated, like at the airport to like the
US weeklies and like I love the celebrity news, but the light stuff.
And then I'm I'm including politics, you know, like I'm covering the election
and I'm just trying to do it in a fair way and try not to
write off any of my audience and sharing my story as a young dad in
my opinions I had. I mean, I made some stupid Instagram video a
couple of days ago that went super viral and has over three million views.
I made this video about my my nightcare skin routine as a jew. That
video has gotten more views than every stand up clip I've ever posted combined.
I've done that fake like fake ads before, but mine got like five views.
I was getting one hundred and fifty thousand years an hour and I got
over twelve thousand Instagram people and it was a real bit. I was just
sharing, like I use these oils and I put them on, but I
was kind of just having fun with it. And it's just I don't know,
I don't know what happened and when super viral, but I was just
like, you just never know what's gonna hit, and I'm just gonna I'm
continuing to try to do what is fun to me, and like I get
a lot of high energy from talking myself through a lot of the daily content.
Like I just love the daily content. So every night at like eleven
PM, I make my next morning's podcast episode, and then in the afternoon
the next day, I do that one. So I do it like literally
as up to date as I can. And I kind of think that's the
way that podcasting is going, is that you've got your you've got your evergreen
content, but then you've also got like I need this story today, Like
what's today's story? So that's what I try to give people. Great,
all right, everybody go follow Dave Neil rush hour rush hour YEP with Dave.
Yes, and thank you so much for being here. We love you.
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that. All right, thanks everybody, We'll see you. We're going to
start covering what are we covering. We are covering ninety day fiance the other
way, the way I'm forcing stuff need to do. But she's in,
she's down. We're going and then obviously we will be here next week for
the premiere of The Bachelorette. Yeah, and so well Dave, Yeah,
all right, thanks everybody, Bye bye.