WEBVTT 1 00:00:15.080 --> 00:00:20.320 Hey, everybody, welcome to Rose Pricks. It's me Stephanie Wilder Taylor and 2 00:00:20.760 --> 00:00:30.120 my friend Cecily Nobler and here comes part two of our fascinating episode with Dave 3 00:00:30.199 --> 00:00:35.159 Neil. So. June tenth was the final court date and they were basically 4 00:00:35.159 --> 00:00:38.840 in this evidential hearing, which is family court. But it was at this 5 00:00:38.880 --> 00:00:42.679 point she had she had changed the date of her quote unquote miscarriage. We 6 00:00:43.200 --> 00:00:46.799 basically called her out on our lives to the point where she claimed she was 7 00:00:46.799 --> 00:00:51.000 pregnant up until twenty four weeks and then later claimed she miscarried much earlier. 8 00:00:51.039 --> 00:00:54.880 She never had a death certificate. The only ultrasound that she claims was real, 9 00:00:55.280 --> 00:01:00.439 she admitted in her deposition to altering the date and the location now excuse 10 00:01:00.479 --> 00:01:03.400 me the location of it, and claimed it was actually from Mission via Ho, 11 00:01:03.680 --> 00:01:07.599 not Scottsdale. She later claims she committed this medical fraud because she didn't 12 00:01:07.640 --> 00:01:11.840 want Clayton to find out where she got the ultrasound. Under oath while being 13 00:01:11.879 --> 00:01:15.879 cross examined on June tenth, she then claimed the ultrasound that she took on 14 00:01:15.959 --> 00:01:22.239 July second of twenty twenty three actually claim came from a Los Angeles planned parenthood 15 00:01:22.480 --> 00:01:26.599 because Clayton's side hired a you know, planned parenthood expert who said, we 16 00:01:26.640 --> 00:01:30.000 don't even do that type of ultrasound in Mission vie Ho. Come to find 17 00:01:30.000 --> 00:01:33.640 out, July second is Sunday. Planned parenthoods in Los Angeles are closed on 18 00:01:33.680 --> 00:01:41.120 Sunday. So she literally shat all over truth justice and had no problem whatsoever 19 00:01:41.519 --> 00:01:46.400 destroying these men's lives. She has a restraining order against all three of these 20 00:01:46.480 --> 00:01:49.920 last victims that still exists. So if you know, say you want to 21 00:01:49.920 --> 00:01:53.079 go buy a house in Scottsdale and Clayton's your attorney, you don't know anything 22 00:01:53.120 --> 00:01:57.359 about this good looking guy. Let's just google Clayton and then you find out 23 00:01:57.640 --> 00:01:59.200 he's got all this stuff. You go, I don't want to buy a 24 00:01:59.239 --> 00:02:01.200 house from this guy. I don't know what the truth is now. The 25 00:02:01.319 --> 00:02:07.280 judge ruled after the June tenth trial that she has a pattern of doing this, 26 00:02:07.280 --> 00:02:13.360 that she never sought actual medical attention from an actual doctor, never got 27 00:02:13.400 --> 00:02:17.400 an ultrasound, and the other thing she did was she sent all of this 28 00:02:17.960 --> 00:02:23.800 fraudulent information to me. She actually was testing positive for hCG a level of 29 00:02:23.840 --> 00:02:27.879 one oh two, which is like nothing, and she was testing that far 30 00:02:27.919 --> 00:02:31.840 like five months into her into her I mean, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. 31 00:02:32.439 --> 00:02:37.120 It's a pregnancy hormone that has to be above a certain amount for you 32 00:02:37.159 --> 00:02:38.840 to be pregnant. YEA. So like so if you pee on the stick, 33 00:02:38.960 --> 00:02:43.000 it's just a binary pregnant or not right, But it's kind of like 34 00:02:43.039 --> 00:02:46.960 a COVID test where sometimes the line's darker and sometimes it's not. So her 35 00:02:46.000 --> 00:02:51.120 pregnancy tests were always a faint line and you only have to test above a 36 00:02:51.400 --> 00:02:55.319 level four. But at five months pregnant, you would probably be somewhere in 37 00:02:55.360 --> 00:03:00.360 the hundred thousands level. So when she sent me or ag test, it 38 00:03:00.479 --> 00:03:04.280 said one hundred and thirty four thy nine hundred or whatever it was, it 39 00:03:04.319 --> 00:03:05.919 was in the one hundred and thirty thousands, and I was like, oh 40 00:03:05.960 --> 00:03:07.360 shit, okay, whatever, I don't know what this means, but whatever. 41 00:03:07.599 --> 00:03:10.439 And then months later, you know, I forgot she sent that to 42 00:03:10.479 --> 00:03:15.479 me. Months later, she posts her her real hCG report, which was 43 00:03:15.520 --> 00:03:21.159 a level one oh two point zero, which again would only be like if 44 00:03:21.199 --> 00:03:23.840 you were five days pregnant or like a week pregnant, because it goes up 45 00:03:23.879 --> 00:03:27.599 exponentially, so we proved I mean, same case, number, same everything. 46 00:03:27.599 --> 00:03:30.599 We proved that she faked it, and then at that point she had 47 00:03:30.599 --> 00:03:32.919 to admit to faking it and all of the other cases. She says, 48 00:03:32.960 --> 00:03:37.879 oh my ex hacked into my account, even though we have video of her. 49 00:03:38.199 --> 00:03:43.400 Her ex, Greg has meticulous of receipts. He has video and audio 50 00:03:43.439 --> 00:03:45.599 of her saying, this is the ultrasound, you know, the five or 51 00:03:45.639 --> 00:03:49.280 one, the one that she stole from somebody. So we got her, 52 00:03:49.360 --> 00:03:51.759 we got her, We got her, just pegged left and right, We 53 00:03:51.840 --> 00:03:53.680 got the you know, we got the the ovarian cancer, even though she 54 00:03:53.759 --> 00:03:58.240 claims it wasn't her. We got we just got it all. And she 55 00:03:58.360 --> 00:04:01.479 just she just thinks she can get away with lying. So they threatened to 56 00:04:01.479 --> 00:04:08.360 assume me for defamation for one hundred and forty million dollars. Meanwhile, I've 57 00:04:08.360 --> 00:04:11.199 got a pregnant wife at the time, who I'm trying to, you know, 58 00:04:11.280 --> 00:04:15.040 take care of. But my greatest defense and continuing to cover this is 59 00:04:15.639 --> 00:04:19.079 to try to get the truth out. Now probably wanted to get into this. 60 00:04:19.519 --> 00:04:25.120 Obviously, I've been blasted by some folk over my continued coverage of this 61 00:04:25.319 --> 00:04:27.639 kind of like ay, Dave, you asked for this. You know a 62 00:04:27.680 --> 00:04:30.959 lot of people including Nick Vaiel, covered this deleted my name from the conversation, 63 00:04:31.000 --> 00:04:35.319 like literally edited my name out and wanted to rewrite the story as if 64 00:04:35.319 --> 00:04:41.079 they were there supporting Clayton all along. In October, Clayton did not have 65 00:04:41.120 --> 00:04:44.519 a lawyer, so all of this was going down, and he kind of 66 00:04:44.560 --> 00:04:46.920 thought, you know, he was buying a you know, investing in an 67 00:04:46.959 --> 00:04:49.759 airbnb, so he was cash poor. He thought he could just show up 68 00:04:49.800 --> 00:04:55.639 and defend himself because he had all the receipts, not knowing these family court 69 00:04:55.680 --> 00:05:00.920 trials or like twenty minute segments and he and it was looking so bad for 70 00:05:00.000 --> 00:05:06.079 him that she had a lawyer, and they tried to present Clayton with like 71 00:05:06.480 --> 00:05:10.720 a USB drive of evidence at the last minute, and Clayton's like, I 72 00:05:10.759 --> 00:05:13.079 don't even have a computer with me in the court. And he was like, 73 00:05:13.120 --> 00:05:15.199 I can't. I don't even know what we're looking at. So the 74 00:05:15.279 --> 00:05:18.079 judge said, all right, we'll come back in one week. So it 75 00:05:18.160 --> 00:05:21.040 was at that point we were all watching this live play out on like the 76 00:05:21.079 --> 00:05:26.439 Family Court website, and it was at that point I texted Clayton after being 77 00:05:26.480 --> 00:05:29.240 like, dude, we need to get you a lawyer, and we raised 78 00:05:29.279 --> 00:05:32.680 ten thousand dollars in the next two days and got him a lawyer who then 79 00:05:33.199 --> 00:05:38.759 was able to cross examine Laura, his accuser, and get her on record 80 00:05:38.839 --> 00:05:42.639 with all of these things that months later, we'd find out she all lied 81 00:05:42.680 --> 00:05:46.319 about seeing a doctor doing this, seeing she saying she was one hundred percent 82 00:05:46.360 --> 00:05:51.360 pregnant. She had a fake baby belly bump in court. So because we 83 00:05:51.399 --> 00:05:57.600 had a very strong lawyer named Deandra, a very a young mother who worked 84 00:05:57.600 --> 00:06:00.439 for Woodenick Law, we were able to raise all this mother to get justice 85 00:06:00.480 --> 00:06:04.879 served. Now what's happening, And again, I'm over it at this point. 86 00:06:04.920 --> 00:06:09.319 But for those that are wondering why I've been bitter, is now people 87 00:06:09.360 --> 00:06:12.079 go, oh, Clayton was going to win this all along, and I 88 00:06:12.120 --> 00:06:15.879 go no. We had hundreds of people, mainly women, ninety two percent 89 00:06:15.920 --> 00:06:20.560 of my audience's women donate to Clayton's legal funds so that they could really push 90 00:06:20.639 --> 00:06:27.319 for justice. And because of that specific move, everything started falling in place. 91 00:06:27.759 --> 00:06:30.519 But they donated to him, they donated to my legal fund when I 92 00:06:30.600 --> 00:06:34.439 was getting sued, and all these people are now being accused of just being 93 00:06:34.439 --> 00:06:38.800 part of some dumb cult, and they it's like, I just can't let 94 00:06:38.800 --> 00:06:43.399 the story get rewritten. So you have a good amount of people online they 95 00:06:43.439 --> 00:06:46.879 probably don't follow the story and see me as like a men's right sky and 96 00:06:46.920 --> 00:06:48.639 I go, no, that's not what it is. I've made my bones 97 00:06:48.879 --> 00:06:54.120 in the YouTube community defending Cassie Randolph from Colton Underwood, defending you know, 98 00:06:54.199 --> 00:06:58.959 like in most cases, there's more female victims in the Bachelor, you know 99 00:06:59.040 --> 00:07:02.040 world, I would say, from all of these f boys. But I 100 00:07:02.199 --> 00:07:05.920 just wasn't gonna let it go. And and the fact that Nick didn't cover 101 00:07:05.959 --> 00:07:11.920 this till January really made me upset because here I have and again just so 102 00:07:11.959 --> 00:07:14.680 people understand, because I don't need to get in the specifics, but a 103 00:07:14.680 --> 00:07:17.720 friend of mine, a Bachelor alumni, blasted me online, just blasted me. 104 00:07:17.920 --> 00:07:19.800 I mean, I took a real I took a real beat, and 105 00:07:20.279 --> 00:07:25.319 metaphorically I took it like a man. I tried to. But my my 106 00:07:25.480 --> 00:07:30.480 reason of being bitter is that nobody was talking about this as I was getting 107 00:07:30.560 --> 00:07:34.720 threatened with a multimillion dollar lawsuit, and all I needed was Bachelor alumni to 108 00:07:34.800 --> 00:07:41.680 come together and support one of their own Nick viel knew that Clayton was innocent. 109 00:07:41.720 --> 00:07:44.040 They had already talked on the phone for an hour. He just didn't 110 00:07:44.040 --> 00:07:47.000 want to cover it, so I just thought everyone. I just think because 111 00:07:47.000 --> 00:07:51.399 he didn't want to get sued, But I got sued because no one else 112 00:07:51.439 --> 00:07:55.800 would if everyone just covered it. She wasn't gonna sue everybody. And in 113 00:07:55.839 --> 00:07:57.680 the end, I'm in the right, so I'm not. You know, 114 00:07:57.800 --> 00:08:01.399 she might still sue me for like emotional distress. She's trying. She's trying 115 00:08:01.399 --> 00:08:05.439 to still she's gonna fuck with me for a long time. But you can't 116 00:08:05.480 --> 00:08:09.000 win if you're just telling the truth, right. But she's always gotten away 117 00:08:09.040 --> 00:08:15.519 with punishing people through lawsuits. So I'm the first person that has monetized this. 118 00:08:15.959 --> 00:08:18.439 So I've said I'm going to keep making money talking about this, So 119 00:08:18.519 --> 00:08:22.160 the more she tries to come after me, the bigger my fund will be 120 00:08:22.600 --> 00:08:26.920 to pursue the truth. Now it's kind of used against me saying, oh, 121 00:08:26.000 --> 00:08:30.399 Dave's just profiting off of this, and I go, I know, 122 00:08:30.480 --> 00:08:33.919 my community raised all the funds to even get Clayton a fighting shot. Here, 123 00:08:35.279 --> 00:08:37.360 she wasn't gonna win this. And for those wondering what the big deal 124 00:08:37.440 --> 00:08:41.080 is if she got a restraining order against me, she'd be able to use 125 00:08:41.120 --> 00:08:45.440 that till the end of times because she's used it against these other guys. 126 00:08:45.480 --> 00:08:48.480 She got restraining orders based on lies with these guys, and she's able to 127 00:08:48.519 --> 00:08:50.840 use that to see see I'm right, Why else would I have a restraining 128 00:08:50.919 --> 00:08:56.320 order against them? And then with her last her victim from twenty sixteen, 129 00:08:56.559 --> 00:08:58.519 she wrote, she made a ted X video about it. She's in chicken 130 00:08:58.559 --> 00:09:03.399 Soup for the soul with it, with the story claiming him chicken soup for 131 00:09:03.519 --> 00:09:09.240 the soul. And by the way, the photo she used for domestic violence 132 00:09:09.679 --> 00:09:16.039 in her ted X talk, we found out through our authenticating of this laptop 133 00:09:16.320 --> 00:09:20.240 it was the same set of photos she used to claim she was getting her 134 00:09:20.240 --> 00:09:24.399 ovary removed to the same guy, So she literally could take the same photo 135 00:09:24.440 --> 00:09:28.759 in one case say all right, I'm getting my ovary removed, like come 136 00:09:28.879 --> 00:09:31.919 come nurse me back to help. She even got the fake doctor that she 137 00:09:31.000 --> 00:09:35.480 made up to say like we think your boyfriend should take care of you, 138 00:09:35.480 --> 00:09:39.000 you know, like complete crazy stuff. She used the same set of photo 139 00:09:39.039 --> 00:09:41.720 to then say he committed DV against her, and she never even accused him 140 00:09:41.759 --> 00:09:46.279 of DV until until he finally got the courts and the police involved to get 141 00:09:46.279 --> 00:09:48.799 her away from him. So you just get to see someone who so clearly 142 00:09:48.960 --> 00:09:54.799 was ruining these people's lives. And because they are male victims, it has 143 00:09:54.919 --> 00:10:00.440 made it almost like a cultural issue that nobody wants to talk about. And 144 00:10:00.480 --> 00:10:03.840 it's like, this doesn't make me a men's rights activist. It just so 145 00:10:03.879 --> 00:10:09.600 happens these victims are men because in this system, people unfettered were just like 146 00:10:09.879 --> 00:10:13.600 assuming he was in the wrong here, and he's got insane levels of receipts. 147 00:10:13.679 --> 00:10:18.080 So now now the negative Nellies in the community go, no, he 148 00:10:18.159 --> 00:10:22.440 was gonna win all along, and I go, I refuse to let people 149 00:10:22.519 --> 00:10:26.120 believe that was the case. He was taking a fat loss on this and 150 00:10:26.240 --> 00:10:28.799 next year you would have read about it in a book, you know, 151 00:10:28.960 --> 00:10:33.039 and then there would be no evidence. So we were able to call it 152 00:10:33.080 --> 00:10:37.039 out right away. And now because of that, I mean, could she 153 00:10:37.120 --> 00:10:39.559 still try to assume me she can do she can try to do whatever she 154 00:10:39.639 --> 00:10:43.480 wants. And I mean it took me ten thousand dollars to just defend myself 155 00:10:43.840 --> 00:10:48.320 in a simple court that didn't even go to trial. You know what I 156 00:10:48.399 --> 00:10:52.759 mean. So she absolutely continued to mess with people. So it must have 157 00:10:52.960 --> 00:10:58.759 felt a little bit hurtful that the way I know the story, so you've 158 00:10:58.759 --> 00:11:01.519 been doing all this has been going on for a long time, you've been 159 00:11:01.559 --> 00:11:05.960 reporting on it, you've been an ally to Clayton. Somebody said, I 160 00:11:07.000 --> 00:11:13.399 think I have this story correct. Somebody said on Instagram or whatever, Hey, 161 00:11:13.600 --> 00:11:18.120 I wish other people from Bachelor Nation had come out in support of Clayton, 162 00:11:18.159 --> 00:11:20.240 Like I wish more people had come out in support of Clayton, and 163 00:11:20.399 --> 00:11:26.039 you said, I think, yeah, that would have been great. And 164 00:11:26.080 --> 00:11:35.120 then somebody who's Katie Thurston did a whole post saying very upset and feeling personally 165 00:11:35.159 --> 00:11:39.559 attacked, that they had a lot of other stuff going on in their life 166 00:11:39.639 --> 00:11:43.600 and that's why they weren't, you know, going hard for Clayton. And 167 00:11:45.440 --> 00:11:48.360 I felt like, just from what I read, and I don't know the 168 00:11:48.399 --> 00:11:52.480 story, but I felt like kind of making it sound like you were personally 169 00:11:52.519 --> 00:11:56.399 attacking them and you weren't right. You were the only It would be great 170 00:11:56.440 --> 00:12:00.519 if more what you just said right now, which is like if every if 171 00:12:00.559 --> 00:12:03.159 a lot of people had come forward and been supportive of him, we couldn't 172 00:12:03.200 --> 00:12:07.320 have all gotten suit. Yeah. So so here's the deal, right, 173 00:12:07.360 --> 00:12:13.039 if that conversation happened in person, I would have literally just try to give 174 00:12:13.080 --> 00:12:16.559 her a bear hug and go, oh my gosh, I'm not trying to 175 00:12:16.559 --> 00:12:18.879 come off this way. I didn't. I think Nick was probably the only 176 00:12:18.919 --> 00:12:24.159 person that I was like a blatantly upset with for not talking about it, 177 00:12:24.200 --> 00:12:26.120 because he did edit my name out of one of his videos, So like, 178 00:12:26.159 --> 00:12:30.080 not only was he not giving credit, and it's like I don't need 179 00:12:30.120 --> 00:12:31.720 the credit, but you know we were, we were actively raising money for 180 00:12:31.759 --> 00:12:35.120 Clayton. Like I don't need the credit, but like, don't take don't 181 00:12:35.200 --> 00:12:39.039 edit me out if Clayton's trying to you know, be like, oh yeah, 182 00:12:39.120 --> 00:12:43.840 Dave took care of me. Whatever. With Katie, like, have 183 00:12:43.000 --> 00:12:48.519 I been bitter about this scenario? Obviously, So if she feels like I've 184 00:12:48.840 --> 00:12:54.200 changed, I want to take inventory over that and own up to that and 185 00:12:54.240 --> 00:12:58.320 go I do need I do need therapy over this. This is in a 186 00:12:58.360 --> 00:13:01.759 time where we were pregnant, My wife was pregnant, I was moving, 187 00:13:01.919 --> 00:13:07.440 buying my first home, finally had a little bit of like a little bit 188 00:13:07.440 --> 00:13:11.039 of like family wealth that could put a small down payment on a home right 189 00:13:11.279 --> 00:13:13.559 And it's like I couldn't afford a home in California. I hadn't moved to 190 00:13:13.559 --> 00:13:16.480 Tennessee. But I finally have something. And now there's this lady online, 191 00:13:16.519 --> 00:13:20.159 Laura, who's threatening to sue it all away from me. After years, 192 00:13:20.200 --> 00:13:24.799 you know, ten years of doing stand up comedy and driving uber and doing 193 00:13:24.879 --> 00:13:28.039 all these things, I finally carved out my niche that's trying to hurt nobody, 194 00:13:28.399 --> 00:13:31.200 and I'm trying to defend Clayton. And I'm not asking for people to 195 00:13:31.200 --> 00:13:35.879 support me. I'm asking for them to support Clayton, a guy I have 196 00:13:35.039 --> 00:13:39.240 zero allegiance to. I just go. I thought when something wrong happens and 197 00:13:39.320 --> 00:13:45.159 bad happens to Bachelor alumni, that they come together. And Nick and others 198 00:13:45.240 --> 00:13:48.360 have blasted me, not by name, but they said they think we're all 199 00:13:48.399 --> 00:13:50.919 part of some community. And it's like, I just thought you would be 200 00:13:52.039 --> 00:13:54.679 like you guys all go through something that no one else has been through. 201 00:13:54.960 --> 00:14:01.080 With regards to Katie, I just I it. It's hurt me way. 202 00:14:01.159 --> 00:14:03.840 I don't I don't want to come off as a victim. It's hurt me 203 00:14:03.879 --> 00:14:09.399 way more. Because I do feel misunderstood. I I oh, I will 204 00:14:09.440 --> 00:14:11.320 continue, like Katie was at you know, she's at my my wedding, 205 00:14:11.360 --> 00:14:18.440 like we invite her because we really like her. And I'm I'm holding all 206 00:14:18.480 --> 00:14:24.879 the space in the world for for hopefully someday having a conversation because I'm not 207 00:14:24.960 --> 00:14:28.320 I don't write people off. And I but I but I but I have 208 00:14:28.399 --> 00:14:31.080 to own up to if I triggered the hell out of her, which I 209 00:14:31.120 --> 00:14:37.799 did, that that that's because that's because she saw me as a friend and 210 00:14:37.879 --> 00:14:41.559 didn't like what was going on so publicly I got to go. I don't 211 00:14:41.600 --> 00:14:43.840 know, like what did I do wrong? But just so you know, 212 00:14:43.919 --> 00:14:48.120 when I first got sued, I sent everyone I know, like a ten 213 00:14:48.120 --> 00:14:52.080 minute voice note. I remember being on the one oh one. I'm stuck 214 00:14:52.080 --> 00:14:54.600 in traffic. I sent everyone a voice note to be like, here's what's 215 00:14:54.600 --> 00:14:56.799 happening. This is gonna look bad because I'm getting sued by a woman I've 216 00:14:56.840 --> 00:15:00.519 never met her. I'm defending the truth. It's all gonna play out. 217 00:15:00.679 --> 00:15:05.000 It all did play out, But there is that bitterness that I'm not denying 218 00:15:05.120 --> 00:15:09.440 where I go, I thought so The reddit, the main Bachelor subreddit I'm 219 00:15:09.440 --> 00:15:15.039 blocked from and they pretty much didn't know why. It's we don't have the 220 00:15:15.080 --> 00:15:18.759 time. They they I'm it's it's a whole thing. But uh, I 221 00:15:20.000 --> 00:15:22.840 feel it was unjust, and I've asked after a year that they undo it, 222 00:15:22.200 --> 00:15:24.159 just so that when there is a thread about me, I could have 223 00:15:24.159 --> 00:15:28.519 an honest voice in the conversation. Maybe we can help, Maybe we can 224 00:15:28.559 --> 00:15:31.879 help with that somehow. Well, no, it doesn't, it doesn't matter. 225 00:15:31.879 --> 00:15:35.000 It's it's probably for the better that I don't go into that world. 226 00:15:35.360 --> 00:15:37.039 But I've always just wanted a fair voice. If you're on stage as a 227 00:15:37.080 --> 00:15:39.440 comedian and so on, heckles you all right, let's go, let's go. 228 00:15:39.879 --> 00:15:43.080 When it happens on there, you don't even know if you're talking to 229 00:15:43.120 --> 00:15:46.519 one person or if there's seven accounts behind that person. You don't know if 230 00:15:46.519 --> 00:15:50.159 you're being astroturfed, which is the you know, the the the ability online 231 00:15:50.200 --> 00:15:52.879 to make it seem like there's a bigger amount of hate than there actually is. 232 00:15:54.320 --> 00:15:58.519 So either either way, I go. They didn't share Clayton's go like, 233 00:15:58.559 --> 00:16:00.879 we had an audience of a hundreds of thousands of people that could have 234 00:16:00.919 --> 00:16:06.720 all come together and just put an endto this right away, and they pretty 235 00:16:06.759 --> 00:16:11.840 much banned the conversation and it forced us a separate subreddit called Justice for Clayton, 236 00:16:11.240 --> 00:16:15.120 and the other Bachelor subreddit ended up getting a slew of new audience because 237 00:16:15.120 --> 00:16:18.919 it became like you're either pro Dave on this subreddit or pro Dave on this 238 00:16:18.960 --> 00:16:22.399 one. And it was like all I've tried to do, Like I'm not 239 00:16:22.919 --> 00:16:27.399 I'm aware of the privilege of having a nice little audience on YouTube. Every 240 00:16:27.440 --> 00:16:30.919 year, we do Amazon wish lists for the teachers in our community, and 241 00:16:32.000 --> 00:16:34.039 I'm so proud of this. We have, like we have a lady named 242 00:16:34.039 --> 00:16:38.840 Denise, she's our philanthropy chair. We put together a single mom's Christmas wish 243 00:16:38.919 --> 00:16:44.679 list and it brings people in myself to tears to see our little community do 244 00:16:44.799 --> 00:16:48.399 so much good for certain people, and that's all we ever want to do. 245 00:16:48.879 --> 00:16:52.840 And we saw this justice moment for Clayton going he's not going to get 246 00:16:52.879 --> 00:16:57.159 out of this and without everyone's help, and no one else picked up the 247 00:16:57.159 --> 00:17:00.600 bill, and I was like, we can't this bill here, Like somebody's 248 00:17:00.639 --> 00:17:06.200 got to do this. So I'm not saying I'm not bitter. I'm saying 249 00:17:06.279 --> 00:17:08.319 I guess I am. I guess I am bitter about it. But I'm 250 00:17:08.359 --> 00:17:11.920 not the one saying no what in anyone. I never asked for anyone to 251 00:17:11.960 --> 00:17:17.680 support me publicly, but like I had friends like Jess Ambrose, good friend. 252 00:17:17.880 --> 00:17:21.079 She privately was, you know, messaged me and I'm saying her because 253 00:17:21.119 --> 00:17:22.640 there's so much love there, she's you know, and she was like, 254 00:17:22.759 --> 00:17:26.519 Dave, they always say to like check on your strong friends, and I 255 00:17:26.519 --> 00:17:29.319 was like, I didn't realize I needed someone to check check in on me, 256 00:17:29.759 --> 00:17:32.519 but I was, you know, my family doesn't know what's going on 257 00:17:32.519 --> 00:17:36.160 because they don't follow this content. And I was like, I was in 258 00:17:36.240 --> 00:17:41.200 a rough place where I was getting the brunt of the legal threats just by 259 00:17:41.240 --> 00:17:45.039 trying to bring this story to light. Okay, So then don't you feel 260 00:17:45.079 --> 00:17:49.359 a little bit like it's kind of messed up for somebody to sort of unfriend 261 00:17:49.400 --> 00:17:53.400 you based on like taking something personally and being like, no, I didn't 262 00:17:53.440 --> 00:17:59.599 want to publicly support you. I why are you trying to put the blame 263 00:17:59.640 --> 00:18:03.960 on yourself. I'm because here's what I've learned in my happy relationship is that 264 00:18:04.599 --> 00:18:08.200 if my wife gets mad at about something, I have to find out what 265 00:18:08.799 --> 00:18:14.359 I did to contribute to that. So with my friendship with Katie, like 266 00:18:14.960 --> 00:18:18.920 I don't and obviously she's talked about the issues she's going through. I don't 267 00:18:18.960 --> 00:18:21.559 want it to be like a zero sum game where you have to support Clayton 268 00:18:21.680 --> 00:18:26.559 or you have to support that if if somebody that's an alumni doesn't have the 269 00:18:26.680 --> 00:18:30.599 wherewithal to support Clayton, like that's totally fair. I just thought someone, 270 00:18:30.720 --> 00:18:33.720 I mean, there's hundreds of alumni. I just a lot of people. 271 00:18:33.720 --> 00:18:37.000 When Clayton kind of like was vindicated, a lot of people commented on his 272 00:18:37.079 --> 00:18:41.039 thing, but none of them, you know, I think Susie Evans and 273 00:18:41.119 --> 00:18:45.079 maybe one other person, where like the only people to donate to is legal 274 00:18:45.119 --> 00:18:48.079 Funds, And like he wasn't you know, he came off the show beaten 275 00:18:48.160 --> 00:18:52.640 down. He wasn't getting influencer deals, he didn't get the million followers. 276 00:18:52.799 --> 00:18:56.119 He kind of came came you know, we remember I was seasoned whin he 277 00:18:56.160 --> 00:18:59.920 didn't. You know, he's just trying to you know, renovate an airbn 278 00:19:00.079 --> 00:19:03.240 be and live humbly. He lives in an apartment, Like this isn't some 279 00:19:03.240 --> 00:19:06.240 guy who's like he's got it all he'll be Okay, buck up Clayton. 280 00:19:06.319 --> 00:19:11.440 No, like the guy needed help and so should like hook up. Yeah 281 00:19:11.799 --> 00:19:17.480 that's friends as best a Regrex podcast. But so no, So I'm not 282 00:19:18.079 --> 00:19:21.240 I'm trying not to be upset with Katie. I'm trying to think of it 283 00:19:21.319 --> 00:19:26.880 like, dang, I there's a lot of collateral damage that came from me 284 00:19:26.240 --> 00:19:30.960 trying to do the right thing. I was guilty in that Reddit comment of 285 00:19:32.039 --> 00:19:36.599 saying Clayton's not going to forget who didn't support him. That came off way 286 00:19:36.680 --> 00:19:41.039 too you know, mafia, That wasn't you know. I mean, I 287 00:19:41.119 --> 00:19:44.559 wasn't wrong Clayton. Clayton knows who supports him, but like I don't need 288 00:19:44.559 --> 00:19:48.839 to speak for him. And I've been pretty loose with my with my calling 289 00:19:48.880 --> 00:19:52.400 out alumnis in general for like not you know, like doing something with the 290 00:19:52.400 --> 00:19:56.480 privilege they have with their platform. If this were like, I mean, 291 00:19:56.559 --> 00:20:03.200 remember black Lives Matter, If you didn't post the black remember that, people 292 00:20:03.279 --> 00:20:07.160 were like like lasting alumni for not falling in line and supporting something, which 293 00:20:07.200 --> 00:20:12.079 is like cool whatever, own up to that. But like nobody was coming 294 00:20:12.119 --> 00:20:15.839 together, and I just again, I don't mean to sound redundant. So 295 00:20:15.079 --> 00:20:18.920 when I sound bitter, it's like, yeah, no, absolutely, I 296 00:20:18.039 --> 00:20:22.599 just hope and again, if Giddy ever listens or somebody else, I hope 297 00:20:22.599 --> 00:20:26.720 they understand maybe I maybe when you see me on camera ranting and raving, 298 00:20:26.759 --> 00:20:30.480 you see a strong man. But just know, like my inner child, 299 00:20:30.599 --> 00:20:36.039 I'm I'm as fucked up and wounded by this as anybody else, because all 300 00:20:36.079 --> 00:20:40.440 I've wanted was some justice for somebody that I don't have any allegiance to. 301 00:20:40.559 --> 00:20:44.359 But I just thought that this was like like if I I would not look 302 00:20:44.400 --> 00:20:48.839 at myself in the eye at night if I didn't do something when my whole 303 00:20:48.920 --> 00:20:52.880 channel is it has been Bachelor content, and and I'm happy with all it 304 00:20:52.920 --> 00:20:55.960 played out. And I got a ton of praise, and I got a 305 00:20:55.960 --> 00:20:59.400 ton of people on Patreon supporting me and all these other things, but like 306 00:21:00.400 --> 00:21:06.720 the collateral damages, people all have different things going on in their life and 307 00:21:06.720 --> 00:21:10.799 and I would have just I don't know, like I said, if it 308 00:21:10.799 --> 00:21:12.559 happened in person, I would have bear hugged the hell out of her and 309 00:21:12.599 --> 00:21:17.160 said, Katie, I truly do see you as like a sister, like 310 00:21:17.200 --> 00:21:21.279 you're just a person that I root for. I still do, and when 311 00:21:21.279 --> 00:21:26.079 I heard her story recently, it's heartbreaking. There's there should be no crossover 312 00:21:26.119 --> 00:21:30.480 between the two. I've just been pushing for Clayton and not trying to you 313 00:21:30.519 --> 00:21:33.880 know, it's a it's a positivity thing. I'm not I'm not even trying 314 00:21:33.880 --> 00:21:40.000 to push for the demise of Clayton's accuser. Although because of the good work 315 00:21:40.039 --> 00:21:45.480 of our audience, the judge did did make a recommendation that she gets prosecuted 316 00:21:45.720 --> 00:21:51.319 and the Maricopa County Prosecutor has an investigator assigned to her more her crimes of 317 00:21:51.359 --> 00:21:55.000 perjury and medical fraud. So it's so like she could go to jail, 318 00:21:55.279 --> 00:21:59.680 and while it's so crazy, could go to jail, Like after hearing all 319 00:21:59.680 --> 00:22:03.359 this, like it's amazing to me that she's not already that this hasn't happened, 320 00:22:03.359 --> 00:22:07.920 and guy hasn't killed himself over stuff over these kinds. That's right, 321 00:22:07.119 --> 00:22:11.279 And to me, I just want to say, you don't sound bitter. 322 00:22:11.319 --> 00:22:14.599 You sound like a loyal person trying to just do the right thing. It 323 00:22:14.599 --> 00:22:18.839 doesn't sound like you came after anyone specifically. You've just you know, you've 324 00:22:18.839 --> 00:22:22.240 helped it. I'll explain, And this is good therapy for me. So 325 00:22:22.519 --> 00:22:27.920 maybe this means nothing. I don't know, but I initially when people told 326 00:22:29.000 --> 00:22:30.839 me, Dave, just drop it. She's suing you take care of your 327 00:22:30.880 --> 00:22:36.160 family and Katie and other people. Probably I'm just I'm just guessing. Probably 328 00:22:36.200 --> 00:22:37.559 it was like, Dave, just you don't need this, like you've made 329 00:22:37.599 --> 00:22:41.960 good money, you just drop it. And I don't think I properly was 330 00:22:41.000 --> 00:22:45.319 able to communicate to them, like you don't understand I'm going to get sued 331 00:22:45.640 --> 00:22:52.480 if I don't prove the truth. And my best defense of my family is 332 00:22:52.519 --> 00:22:57.359 to use every resource I have to expose this fraud. And that's all I 333 00:22:57.440 --> 00:23:00.599 was able to do so like I had so like did I lose a friend? 334 00:23:00.680 --> 00:23:03.559 Maybe I lost some people maybe, But like, let me tell you 335 00:23:03.559 --> 00:23:07.720 something. When I went to Arizona for the court case, Mike Marriccini, 336 00:23:07.759 --> 00:23:10.359 one of the victims, his wife comes up to me and goes, I 337 00:23:10.400 --> 00:23:11.880 feel like I could hug you. I was like, bring it on, 338 00:23:12.039 --> 00:23:17.200 let's go. Like I don't even know these people, but this whole trial 339 00:23:17.279 --> 00:23:22.599 has vindicated them from a story where they where they were abusers. Greg Gillespie's 340 00:23:22.880 --> 00:23:26.519 they just had a baby victim too. His girlfriend, big bear hugs. 341 00:23:26.599 --> 00:23:30.440 Clayton's dad hugged me with the fourth of a thousand fathers when I met him, 342 00:23:30.720 --> 00:23:33.240 and I didn't grow up with a dad, and I was like, 343 00:23:33.400 --> 00:23:37.319 oh my gosh, thank you, big tall man bear hug. And I'm 344 00:23:37.359 --> 00:23:41.920 like, this is why we did this for these people, because this story 345 00:23:41.279 --> 00:23:45.359 wasn't everything to everybody, but to them it was everything. And no one 346 00:23:45.400 --> 00:23:51.599 wanted to see their son, their significant other, or their brother. No 347 00:23:51.640 --> 00:23:56.480 one want to see them go through this because to the outside eye, to 348 00:23:56.559 --> 00:23:59.839 the friend from high school who's not watching this closely, they go this, 349 00:24:00.039 --> 00:24:03.839 it sounds like a monster. It was all made up. I just hope 350 00:24:04.160 --> 00:24:08.359 for you, I hope. My wish for you is that you can feel 351 00:24:08.359 --> 00:24:12.559 good about what you did and get back to just like bagging on The Bachelor 352 00:24:12.799 --> 00:24:15.440 the way it is, the way it's meant to be bagged on, way 353 00:24:15.440 --> 00:24:18.599 it's meant to be made fun of. Yeah, so I'm gonna I'm gonna 354 00:24:18.599 --> 00:24:22.759 for sure got to do that. It's it's there are multiple feelings. I 355 00:24:22.799 --> 00:24:26.440 am the type that will I mean, I hate to say it. I 356 00:24:26.519 --> 00:24:30.559 will sit up at night with my eyes open ruminating about the fact that I've 357 00:24:30.599 --> 00:24:37.839 got like unfinished business in friendships or or people or content creators that no longer 358 00:24:37.960 --> 00:24:42.279 answer the phone, and I go, dang ah fuck, Like all I 359 00:24:42.359 --> 00:24:48.200 tried to do was something good and again my channel's monetized, Like I get 360 00:24:48.240 --> 00:24:52.160 it, this is part of my job. But from the human element, 361 00:24:52.519 --> 00:24:55.920 like I just I just thought that this is the type of stuff where we 362 00:24:56.000 --> 00:24:59.720 come together for the audience, did and be friends with everybody? Dave, 363 00:24:59.799 --> 00:25:03.319 you can't and you can't be successful and please everybody, as I think we 364 00:25:03.480 --> 00:25:10.480 established earlier in this episode. You know, yeah, we want to take 365 00:25:10.519 --> 00:25:15.279 something personally and get mad at you and make that a public post saying like 366 00:25:15.400 --> 00:25:18.599 leave me alone when you weren't calling them out. That's up to them. 367 00:25:18.759 --> 00:25:22.680 Yeah, so I here, I appreciate that. But here's here's like, 368 00:25:23.119 --> 00:25:26.680 you know, where I where I do empathize with Katie is that I'm sure 369 00:25:27.160 --> 00:25:30.599 you know, people try to be loyal towards me, and I'm sure she 370 00:25:30.720 --> 00:25:33.480 got screen grabs and dms and you know what I mean, Like, it's 371 00:25:33.480 --> 00:25:37.240 not like it's coming from me. But what I've what I've had to realize 372 00:25:37.279 --> 00:25:41.160 is with my audience, if I if I have an opinion, it'll if 373 00:25:41.200 --> 00:25:45.000 I don't like something or if I have a beef with somebody, all these 374 00:25:45.000 --> 00:25:47.480 people online are going to go try to do my dirty work. Like, 375 00:25:47.720 --> 00:25:49.880 you know, we were talking to a major media personality that was going to 376 00:25:49.920 --> 00:25:52.720 cover this story and then they kind of like dropped the ball on it. 377 00:25:53.000 --> 00:25:56.759 And then I get it. I get cced on a very hurtful email from 378 00:25:56.799 --> 00:25:59.200 one of my fans, and I'm like, no, don't do this. 379 00:25:59.400 --> 00:26:03.440 Like people try their best and they're so defensive over me, but sometimes it's 380 00:26:03.480 --> 00:26:07.079 like, I'm sure Katie got those dms, was like, you know what, 381 00:26:07.200 --> 00:26:10.960 fuck this guy. And I'm not saying she was wrong to do that. 382 00:26:11.079 --> 00:26:18.759 I'd never on her season, not on her season when she was one 383 00:26:18.799 --> 00:26:22.599 of the contestants for lack of a better word, on Matt James's season, 384 00:26:22.119 --> 00:26:26.000 she was the trying. She was being the dave. She should empathize with 385 00:26:26.079 --> 00:26:30.440 you. She was the one who was trying to stick up for the girls 386 00:26:30.680 --> 00:26:34.559 being called the girl Anna I think being called a hooker or no, Anna 387 00:26:34.680 --> 00:26:37.960 was calling another girl you know what, you know what I'm talking In my 388 00:26:38.000 --> 00:26:45.400 world, she was the I justice for girls who are having things said about 389 00:26:45.440 --> 00:26:48.559 them, So she should understand like that your heart was in it for Clayton. 390 00:26:48.960 --> 00:26:56.079 Katie. Katie's super kind and thoughtful in certain ways. That when my 391 00:26:56.160 --> 00:27:02.279 dog had a serious emergency serve, she was the first person to text me 392 00:27:02.400 --> 00:27:03.839 the morning after and we didn't sleep all night. It was like an overnight 393 00:27:03.880 --> 00:27:07.319 surgery. He survived. This was like three years ago, so it was 394 00:27:07.359 --> 00:27:11.079 like early on and she was asking how like she you know, she she 395 00:27:11.119 --> 00:27:12.920 we empathized over the family, over the the you know, the animal, 396 00:27:12.960 --> 00:27:18.839 the pet thing. Our dog passed away like twelve days ago, and oh 397 00:27:19.160 --> 00:27:23.079 yeah, God, I mean fifteen years old, you know, God bless 398 00:27:23.119 --> 00:27:29.359 them. And it's like, I just I would have loved if my friendship 399 00:27:29.400 --> 00:27:34.279 with her was there because I know she would have been like really good at 400 00:27:34.359 --> 00:27:38.799 you know, knowing, you know the you know the I had a handle 401 00:27:38.799 --> 00:27:41.920 a friend who's going through a loss like that. And again I had a 402 00:27:41.920 --> 00:27:45.240 million people you take care of me and send flowers and things like that. 403 00:27:45.759 --> 00:27:51.279 But I'm not. It's you hesitate to talk about these things because if if 404 00:27:51.319 --> 00:27:55.400 the third if she hears third party Dave's talking about you on a hit podcast, 405 00:27:55.400 --> 00:27:56.720 blah blah blah, he goes, No, if you listen to me. 406 00:27:56.799 --> 00:28:03.079 You just know, I don't think she was wrong to feel her feelings 407 00:28:03.599 --> 00:28:07.279 and and it's not it's not just me taking the high road. I do 408 00:28:07.400 --> 00:28:11.839 see a scenario where her and I can talk about it someday on a podcast 409 00:28:11.920 --> 00:28:15.039 or privately or something to hurt. Yeah, you'll be friends again, you'll 410 00:28:15.079 --> 00:28:19.720 be all right. Well and if we and if we don't, it's fine 411 00:28:19.759 --> 00:28:22.599 too. But it's almost like you don't want to lose a friend over what 412 00:28:22.599 --> 00:28:26.720 what you believe. Like if I if I, like if I really fucked 413 00:28:26.799 --> 00:28:30.799 somebody over and then they were like fuck that guy'd be like, yeah you 414 00:28:30.799 --> 00:28:33.880 know I yeah, yea, I talked about you and yeah whatever. But 415 00:28:33.000 --> 00:28:37.640 like I, I, in my heart, our hearts feel a that it 416 00:28:37.759 --> 00:28:44.279 that it's misguided, and I feel that my bitterness overall wasn't subjected to her. 417 00:28:44.400 --> 00:28:48.920 I don't want you know, I what I said was so so someone 418 00:28:48.960 --> 00:28:52.759 said, oh, yeah, these these Bachelor influencers, and I said, 419 00:28:52.799 --> 00:28:55.640 yeah, he's gonna remember all the all of them. And what I should 420 00:28:55.640 --> 00:29:00.200 have said was and again be impeccable with my word is you know it's the 421 00:29:00.359 --> 00:29:03.920 people, it's the Bachelor alumni that discuss social issues that I have an issue 422 00:29:03.920 --> 00:29:08.039 with it's a podcasters. She's not the person I was asking for help from. 423 00:29:08.200 --> 00:29:11.799 It would have been great to have Rachel Lindsay, would have been great 424 00:29:11.799 --> 00:29:15.519 to have Nick Viael. You know, these are people that you know talk 425 00:29:15.599 --> 00:29:22.039 about complicated topics. But because it was hearing as you're calling out Rachel Lindsay, 426 00:29:22.279 --> 00:29:26.119 feud alert No, I mean, gosh, she's joking. We're totally 427 00:29:26.160 --> 00:29:30.000 joking. We don't want to make him spend anything like we understand what you're 428 00:29:30.000 --> 00:29:34.200 saying. I'm the same, I'm the same exact way. And really I'm 429 00:29:34.240 --> 00:29:38.359 sure Stephanie too. We're up, you know, worrying about like do we 430 00:29:38.599 --> 00:29:45.240 how we were taken in a situation. But you did nothing wrong. You're 431 00:29:45.519 --> 00:29:48.359 you did a really good thing for someone you weren't specifically calling. She's going 432 00:29:48.400 --> 00:29:52.440 through her own stuff. She'll come back, You'll have a conversation. It's 433 00:29:52.480 --> 00:29:53.759 I just feel it's going to be OK. Oh, I'd kill for that 434 00:29:53.839 --> 00:29:57.599 conversation Privately, I'm not trying to monetize it. But I always say that, 435 00:29:57.680 --> 00:30:00.759 like publicly because it would make for great content, because that's what you 436 00:30:00.799 --> 00:30:07.640 just resort back to. But show that's what I'm hearing it is like the 437 00:30:07.680 --> 00:30:11.839 amount of voice notes I share with folks like Reality Steve or Game of Roses 438 00:30:11.839 --> 00:30:14.720 are all these people sho's all bat Like, you know, there is a 439 00:30:14.759 --> 00:30:18.640 camaraderie between content creators where like you go through things that's like you're in this 440 00:30:18.839 --> 00:30:22.359 middle ground where you're not famous, you're not you're not you don't know what 441 00:30:22.359 --> 00:30:25.039 the alumni have been through, but you are kind of being seen through a 442 00:30:25.079 --> 00:30:29.880 microscope. And and by the way, it's not like this was a small 443 00:30:29.920 --> 00:30:33.759 story. This is the biggest story to ever hit Bachelor Nation. It is 444 00:30:33.839 --> 00:30:37.960 going to become a documentary. It will be more than an hour long. 445 00:30:37.039 --> 00:30:41.039 It'll be like a four parter. It'll be a huge I mean, I 446 00:30:41.039 --> 00:30:45.880 can't. I'm I'm fielding phone calls with top tier agents on behalf of their 447 00:30:45.920 --> 00:30:48.440 clients that are considering who's going to get the exclusive of this, you know, 448 00:30:48.519 --> 00:30:52.039 get all of the guys, all of the evidence, all of the 449 00:30:52.119 --> 00:30:56.839 lawyers, and and it's not over his accusers of trying to appeal it. 450 00:30:56.119 --> 00:31:00.920 She'll probably sue me for emotional distress. If not definitely she's not going to 451 00:31:00.000 --> 00:31:04.559 win. But that's just what I've kind of resigned myself to is knowing I'm 452 00:31:04.559 --> 00:31:07.039 on the right side of the story, so it'll it'll all work out. 453 00:31:07.359 --> 00:31:10.519 But but yeah, I mean, it's not like it's not like this is 454 00:31:10.559 --> 00:31:15.000 some bowling league niche story. It was the biggest story that nobody talked about, 455 00:31:15.160 --> 00:31:18.319 right, agreed. I think we talked about it a lot today. 456 00:31:18.799 --> 00:31:22.640 I think people are going to have a much better understanding of what went on. 457 00:31:22.920 --> 00:31:27.200 I can't thank you enough for coming on our show. It was very 458 00:31:27.279 --> 00:31:33.160 enlightening. Yeah, you are amazing. We're fans, are you know? 459 00:31:33.240 --> 00:31:37.319 I drank a Celsius energy drank. We asked, we wanted you to be 460 00:31:37.359 --> 00:31:41.200 able to talk about this. Do you ever want to talk about something stupid 461 00:31:42.000 --> 00:31:45.440 here? But yeah, there was about stupid stuff too. Well. Appreciate 462 00:31:45.480 --> 00:31:48.079 your honesty. Yeah, thank you, And you know what, you got 463 00:31:48.119 --> 00:31:52.279 to hold on to your honesty. Your fans will appreciate it, and that's 464 00:31:52.319 --> 00:31:56.759 all you can do. Right, come back on mid season or even early 465 00:31:56.880 --> 00:32:01.000 season. Do you like one last thing before we go? Do you think 466 00:32:01.000 --> 00:32:07.480 it's kind of crazy how few Asian suitors there are on the first Asian Bachelorette's 467 00:32:07.279 --> 00:32:12.480 season. Yes, but if they were casting for Daisy, I'm not christ 468 00:32:12.920 --> 00:32:15.599 you know, so it's kind of like, you know, it's it's what 469 00:32:15.680 --> 00:32:21.400 they you know they I don't put it this way. I think the success 470 00:32:21.480 --> 00:32:24.079 rate is so low anyway that it's not going to make any difference on whether 471 00:32:24.519 --> 00:32:29.200 she has a happy relationship or not. I mean, it's shocking to me. 472 00:32:29.240 --> 00:32:30.920 Stephanie had the same thing. She thought maybe they were casting for Maria 473 00:32:31.240 --> 00:32:35.839 because it seemed like maybe kind of a geer like tatted guy. I don't 474 00:32:35.839 --> 00:32:38.680 know that seemed like that. But that's so mind blowings me. They can't 475 00:32:38.720 --> 00:32:43.920 just re like start over. Yeah. Well, but also like I don't 476 00:32:43.960 --> 00:32:45.759 know what gens type is. I don't know what she likes. So you 477 00:32:45.799 --> 00:32:50.400 know, it really comes down to like the personal level you might have Maria 478 00:32:50.519 --> 00:32:52.559 want like eighteen Italian guys and like all right, we'll throw in some Irish 479 00:32:52.599 --> 00:32:55.240 guys, these a couple of black guys, and you know, you don't 480 00:32:55.279 --> 00:32:59.160 know, you don't know what they're looking for. Is I doubt that Gen's 481 00:32:59.240 --> 00:33:02.720 type is not Asian? Well, not necessarily. She did say she grew 482 00:33:02.799 --> 00:33:06.960 up in an all white community, but I don't know, Like, yeah, 483 00:33:06.960 --> 00:33:09.000 I mean I can't imagine her. But you're saying like don't have any. 484 00:33:09.000 --> 00:33:12.759 I see what you're saying. Yeah, I can't. She's saying, 485 00:33:12.839 --> 00:33:16.799 my type is not Asian guys, please don't present. She said on her 486 00:33:16.839 --> 00:33:21.400 Glamour and a Glamour interview today that she would have liked there to be more 487 00:33:21.440 --> 00:33:25.519 Asian representation. And I'm sure you know she she's not part of the casting 488 00:33:25.559 --> 00:33:29.440 and she did get cast late on the show. I mean, I think 489 00:33:29.480 --> 00:33:31.759 they went into filming days later, so these guys don't just come out of 490 00:33:31.759 --> 00:33:35.240 it. I think they could have brought some, They could have postponed it 491 00:33:35.319 --> 00:33:37.680 for even a few days. They could have gotten some more Asian guys. 492 00:33:37.759 --> 00:33:43.279 I don't think that the the producers of The Bachelor, I don't think that 493 00:33:43.359 --> 00:33:46.240 they. Uh, there's been there's been an article that came out recently where 494 00:33:46.279 --> 00:33:52.279 some producers were saying that, yes it is, it's a racist yes going 495 00:33:52.319 --> 00:33:57.279 on. And you know what though, sorry that that interview where the producers 496 00:33:57.319 --> 00:34:00.839 called it racist was for La Times. And they only that because it was 497 00:34:00.920 --> 00:34:04.920 going to be pressed for La Times. Like they they they called it racist, 498 00:34:04.920 --> 00:34:07.840 but said tune in at eight pm Monday, July eighth, like they're 499 00:34:07.960 --> 00:34:12.400 trying their best. And I or maybe they're not. But with casting, 500 00:34:12.559 --> 00:34:15.159 yeah, you're not even paying these guys, right, So rather than have 501 00:34:15.239 --> 00:34:20.480 twenty five guys on speed dial, have fifty and have some diversity, and 502 00:34:20.480 --> 00:34:22.079 then once you know who your final pick is, then you make the final 503 00:34:22.119 --> 00:34:25.320 call. So it is kind of lazy on that end that they don't, 504 00:34:25.400 --> 00:34:29.679 you know, because for the longest time, casting made people come to them 505 00:34:29.800 --> 00:34:32.119 versus them go to the So it's like, yeah, you're not getting you're 506 00:34:32.119 --> 00:34:36.199 in it. You know. It's the same reason why Saturday Night Live had 507 00:34:36.199 --> 00:34:38.559 no diversity. Well, it's because they were only picking from people that could 508 00:34:38.599 --> 00:34:43.760 afford these expensive improv classes. They weren't going to the stand up rooms where 509 00:34:43.800 --> 00:34:46.000 there was more diversity. They were going to parts of New York where you 510 00:34:46.039 --> 00:34:50.000 could afford to have your parents pay for your rent and do improv. And 511 00:34:50.119 --> 00:34:52.760 sorry, that was a bunch of white people. So you've got you know, 512 00:34:52.920 --> 00:34:55.280 you got to go to where the people are and find them. And 513 00:34:55.800 --> 00:34:59.239 I think they've started to do that, but it's some working. You've gotten 514 00:34:59.239 --> 00:35:02.320 a lot more Africa American contestants, you know, not that they uh, 515 00:35:05.159 --> 00:35:07.239 I mean, not that they have enough, but I'm just saying I think 516 00:35:07.320 --> 00:35:10.199 it's interesting. The bachelor wants to have it both ways. They want to 517 00:35:10.239 --> 00:35:14.840 say like, look at it, look at the first Asian representation as our 518 00:35:14.840 --> 00:35:17.719 first bachelorette, and then they don't want to have Asian contestants, so just 519 00:35:17.760 --> 00:35:22.360 like behind follow Yeah, I think they're just behind you. Look what we're 520 00:35:22.400 --> 00:35:24.559 doing. We're having the first Asian bachelorette. It's like, well, if 521 00:35:24.599 --> 00:35:30.039 you really meant that, then you would have gone hard and had an Asian 522 00:35:30.199 --> 00:35:35.159 representation across the board. And they made They started out really in a hole 523 00:35:35.159 --> 00:35:38.320 because they brought Jen in not media trained. She was not. It was 524 00:35:38.400 --> 00:35:43.079 very obvious she wasn't the first choice and because of that, there may there 525 00:35:43.159 --> 00:35:45.400 the whole Gen's whole season is going to be like imposter syndrome. She said 526 00:35:45.400 --> 00:35:50.079 it herself. I don't want that for her. I hope she finishes it 527 00:35:50.119 --> 00:35:53.239 feeling empowered and I hope it's great for her. But she went into it 528 00:35:53.400 --> 00:35:59.639 knowing she was like the scramble pick, Yeah for sure, Yeah, it's 529 00:35:59.639 --> 00:36:02.039 going to be it's going to be interesting how that how that plays out. 530 00:36:02.239 --> 00:36:05.840 We are here for it. Yeah, we are here for it, and 531 00:36:05.840 --> 00:36:08.719 we're here for you. We really mean that literally too, like we got 532 00:36:08.719 --> 00:36:12.679 your back, so tell everybody where to find you. Yeah, I really 533 00:36:12.719 --> 00:36:16.920 appreciate that. I have completely rebranded my podcast. It was called Bachelor Rush 534 00:36:16.960 --> 00:36:20.440 Hour. It's now called The Rush Hour or Dave Neil. I do it 535 00:36:20.480 --> 00:36:22.920 twice a day. I do twenty five minutes in the morning and twenty five 536 00:36:22.920 --> 00:36:27.440 minutes in the afternoon. Morning ride and afternoon ride. I cover all of 537 00:36:27.480 --> 00:36:31.360 your entertainment and podcast, pop culture news, viral TikTok videos, you know, 538 00:36:31.679 --> 00:36:36.639 whatever, whatever's in the Olympics. So if people want something a little 539 00:36:36.639 --> 00:36:37.920 I think I'm the only person doing this now, but if someone if people 540 00:36:37.920 --> 00:36:42.280 want something a little different, I treat it like your morning ride to work. 541 00:36:42.360 --> 00:36:45.480 So most people's commute is twenty to thirty minutes long, and I give 542 00:36:45.519 --> 00:36:47.280 you that much content, try to get you all your water cooler news, 543 00:36:47.320 --> 00:36:51.880 and then if there's a cool clip or something I posted, and then I 544 00:36:51.920 --> 00:36:54.480 can drive traffic to other shows. So it's kind of like a sort of 545 00:36:54.519 --> 00:37:00.360 like a collaborative, you know, sort of buffet of cond ten. Now, 546 00:37:00.400 --> 00:37:06.079 when the Bachelorette is airing, are you going to have specific content just 547 00:37:06.119 --> 00:37:08.079 for that? Yeah, So on YouTube, I'll do like my standard twenty 548 00:37:08.119 --> 00:37:12.280 minute recaps and things like that. But on the podcast, it'll just be 549 00:37:12.719 --> 00:37:15.159 lighter, quicker, a little bit of whatever I feel like. Right now, 550 00:37:15.199 --> 00:37:19.239 there's a like I said, a lot of Olympic trial news. There's 551 00:37:19.519 --> 00:37:22.480 a lot of j Lo and you know, hawk to a girl and stupid 552 00:37:22.719 --> 00:37:29.280 whatever whatever's on page six TMZ and then like random viral clips. That's what 553 00:37:29.320 --> 00:37:32.440 I'm covering. But yeah, and then you know that Cecily's job as well. 554 00:37:32.599 --> 00:37:35.599 I don't know if you do that about her, that's my job on 555 00:37:35.639 --> 00:37:37.840 the radio. I do that on radio radio radio, which is dying. 556 00:37:38.480 --> 00:37:43.639 It's a it's because it's a dying medium. Yeah, you know what. 557 00:37:45.079 --> 00:37:51.159 She's been doing that for years and years and her father was a radio Yeah, 558 00:37:51.199 --> 00:37:53.719 I had no idea. You know. He just interviewed Kevin Mano, 559 00:37:53.840 --> 00:37:59.440 Ali Mano's husband, who's a longtime radio guy, and he does the same 560 00:37:59.480 --> 00:38:02.280 thing like a day pop culture show. And again, I just I just 561 00:38:02.360 --> 00:38:06.400 love to talk. I've always gravitated, like at the airport to like the 562 00:38:06.480 --> 00:38:09.559 US weeklies and like I love the celebrity news, but the light stuff. 563 00:38:09.599 --> 00:38:15.440 And then I'm I'm including politics, you know, like I'm covering the election 564 00:38:15.599 --> 00:38:19.039 and I'm just trying to do it in a fair way and try not to 565 00:38:19.039 --> 00:38:22.440 write off any of my audience and sharing my story as a young dad in 566 00:38:22.480 --> 00:38:27.400 my opinions I had. I mean, I made some stupid Instagram video a 567 00:38:27.440 --> 00:38:30.000 couple of days ago that went super viral and has over three million views. 568 00:38:30.519 --> 00:38:37.239 I made this video about my my nightcare skin routine as a jew. That 569 00:38:37.519 --> 00:38:42.199 video has gotten more views than every stand up clip I've ever posted combined. 570 00:38:42.599 --> 00:38:46.920 I've done that fake like fake ads before, but mine got like five views. 571 00:38:47.079 --> 00:38:51.679 I was getting one hundred and fifty thousand years an hour and I got 572 00:38:51.719 --> 00:38:55.119 over twelve thousand Instagram people and it was a real bit. I was just 573 00:38:55.159 --> 00:38:58.920 sharing, like I use these oils and I put them on, but I 574 00:38:58.960 --> 00:39:00.880 was kind of just having fun with it. And it's just I don't know, 575 00:39:00.880 --> 00:39:04.199 I don't know what happened and when super viral, but I was just 576 00:39:04.199 --> 00:39:06.760 like, you just never know what's gonna hit, and I'm just gonna I'm 577 00:39:06.800 --> 00:39:09.360 continuing to try to do what is fun to me, and like I get 578 00:39:09.400 --> 00:39:15.000 a lot of high energy from talking myself through a lot of the daily content. 579 00:39:15.079 --> 00:39:17.920 Like I just love the daily content. So every night at like eleven 580 00:39:17.960 --> 00:39:22.800 PM, I make my next morning's podcast episode, and then in the afternoon 581 00:39:22.840 --> 00:39:24.480 the next day, I do that one. So I do it like literally 582 00:39:24.519 --> 00:39:28.360 as up to date as I can. And I kind of think that's the 583 00:39:28.400 --> 00:39:31.199 way that podcasting is going, is that you've got your you've got your evergreen 584 00:39:31.280 --> 00:39:35.679 content, but then you've also got like I need this story today, Like 585 00:39:35.719 --> 00:39:38.840 what's today's story? So that's what I try to give people. Great, 586 00:39:39.440 --> 00:39:45.880 all right, everybody go follow Dave Neil rush hour rush hour YEP with Dave. 587 00:39:46.400 --> 00:39:50.840 Yes, and thank you so much for being here. We love you. 588 00:39:50.880 --> 00:39:54.800 Can we say that I love you? Guys to it. We're saying 589 00:39:54.840 --> 00:39:59.119 that. All right, thanks everybody, We'll see you. We're going to 590 00:39:59.199 --> 00:40:04.400 start covering what are we covering. We are covering ninety day fiance the other 591 00:40:04.440 --> 00:40:06.840 way, the way I'm forcing stuff need to do. But she's in, 592 00:40:06.960 --> 00:40:10.480 she's down. We're going and then obviously we will be here next week for 593 00:40:12.000 --> 00:40:15.840 the premiere of The Bachelorette. Yeah, and so well Dave, Yeah, 594 00:40:15.960 --> 00:40:21.079 all right, thanks everybody, Bye bye.