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We're joined today by Timothy Head. He

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is the executive director of the Faith
and Freedom Coalition. Tim thanks for joining

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the show. Hey, thanks so
much for having me. This is I

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think it'll be a good good chance
to visit on some pretty interesting topics going

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on these days. Oh absolutely,
I cannot wait to dive into some of

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this. You guys have been making
big headlines recently. You hosted all of

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the presidential candidates, the Republican presidential
candidates for a forum where they work through

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They talked through some of these issues
out in Iowa. So you've been on

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the ground in Iowa. You've been
talking voters, talking to Christians who are

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interested in hearing from these different candidates
and who are working on some really important

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and thinking about some really important issues
around the country. Could you start by

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telling us maybe if people aren't familiar
with Faith in Freedom a little bit about

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the group and what you guys do. Yeah, I'm glad to so.

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Our headquarters is in Atlanta, Georgia, and we have a DC office where

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we work on our federal public policy, and then we have state chapters now

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in about twenty four different states across
the country. We were starting in two

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thousand and nine, founded by a
guy named Ralph Reid who's still the chairman

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of our board, and I've been
the executive director here for about nine years

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on most and you know, the
way we sometimes say it is our role

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is to try to work on public
policy from a biblical worldview within a constitutional

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framework. And so, uh,
you know, some people refer to Christian

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voters as social conservatives or faith based
voters, you know, religious, religious

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right, and you know, all
kinds of different monikers there. But you

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know, we tend to work on
for kind of primary subject matters. Do

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a lot on on pro life as
well as supporting marriage and traditional family values,

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certainly on religious liberty, and then
also we support Israel on federal and

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increasing on increasingly on state policies.
But then a few years ago we started

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branching a little bit more into education
reform, also on justice reform, and

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uh, you know, certainly trying
to curtail human trafficking in the United States

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and elsewhere. And then we also
do a good bit on the federal side

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on immigration. So we cover quite
a few different topics kind of across the

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you know, the the political front, so to speak. And but you

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know, the thing that we're probably
most known for and uh in political circles

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is our program to get out the
Christian vote. And so that's uh,

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you know, when we went again. We started in two thousand and nine,

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and so you know, they were
they were fairly modest efforts in the

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two thousand and ten and twelve and
even fourteen cycles. But in the twenty

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sixteen cycle, we we wound up
knocking on just just over one point two

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five million doors across the country.
In twenty twenty eighteen, that actually moved

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up to about two point two five
million doors. In twenty twenty we hit

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about five point nine million, and
then in twenty twenty two last cycle,

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we hit about eight point six million
doors across the country in twenty two different

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states last cycle. So our our
expectations that will we will have either staff

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or volunteers visit over ten million homes
of targeted Christian voters across the country in

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twenty twenty four. And and frankly, that'll that actually starts to become a

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pretty significant portion of the entire American
electorate. You know, when when you're

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we generally find that in our households, we have about one point seven voters

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statistically per every household. So if
we visit ten households that I mean or

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one household, that means we'll we'll
actually see one point seven voters. So

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you know, ten million households,
seventeen million voters will will actually get a

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direct home visit from a Faith and
Freedom uh door knocker in twenty twenty four.

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So we just got to make sure
that people want to stay hun stay

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home and complain. We got to
get out on the streets and then eventually

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get on into into the voting booth
and make sure that our voice is heard.

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Yeah, that's a something I want
to ask you about. How it's

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it's such an interesting time for Christian
voters, Conservative voters who are on the

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one hand, I'm sure you encounter
some discouragement, but then also incredibly energized

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and animated by some of the attacks
on people's faith. As you guys are

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out in the field knocking indoors and
talking to people, have you encountered people

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who you know don't? Is it
a problem? I guess that people are

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more and more discouraged about the process, maybe feel like their their votes aren't

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going to be counted anything like that. Is that a real real problem when

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you're out there trying to get people
to make sure they show up. Yeah,

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sure, good, good question,
fair questions. I would say it's

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it's a bit of a mixed bag. But I would say that the the

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break for that question probably moves towards
energy and animation. So, you know,

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even examples I can give in the
last just in the last about twelve

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days, Faith and Freedom has actually
done four different events and four different states

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across the country. We did on
September the eleventh, we didn't invent in

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Atlanta, excuse me, Atlanta,
Georgia our home, our home home base.

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Then on September the fourteenth, we
didn't invent in Nashville, Tennessee.

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On September the sixteenth, we did
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of kind of kind of event in
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this past Saturday, on the twenty
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a large kind of half day summit
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Between those four we had almost five
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you know, people were kind of
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in Des Moines, and in Charlotte
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there is a lot of uh of
energy that I can I can speak

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personally too, just even in the
last two weeks, and I would say,

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you know, there are other anecdotal
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that suggests the same. Our Prince
our National conference that we held in DC

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in June even was the best attendance
attended conference that we've had in the now

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fourteen years I think of doing doing
these conferences. So uh, there is

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energy animation hope. I would say, you know, I think after twenty

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twenty, not only the the electoral
result and to itself, it's certainly the

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kind of uh, the pixelated uh
processes that that that a lot of us,

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you know, witnessed and UH and
kind of saw around voter regularities.

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people. Thankfully, I think, you

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know, in twenty twenty two,
at least there was some redemption, if

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you will, found and you know, we saw large turnouts sell positive electoral

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results for you know, for conservative
and for our perspective, a lot of

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Christian candidates. You know. So
the pause that was kind of carried coming

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out of twenty twenty I think was
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there's still are definitely remnants that that
that you know, kind of harbor some

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some doubt. Will just say,
you know that that we're doing everything we

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can to issue those those doubts to
make sure that we have maximum UH participation

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in twenty twenty four. Yeah,
I know that makes sense. And you

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know, I'm in DC, you're
in Georgia basically like the epicenter of concerns

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about these things. And I've just
never fully bought the argument that it's gonna

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that would be enough to make such
a big difference, because all the people

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I know who have deep and serious
concerns about voting are also still gonna They're

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gonna vote because they're so amped up
and energized about the threats that they're they're

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voting against. Basically, well,
well, I think that that generally is

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the case. You know, the
twenty twenty runoff election, so you know,

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back to back to Georgia very quickly. You know the that the challenge

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that's tried. There were there were
two U two races, kind of unusual

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situation. There were two center races
that were both running kind of parallel to

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one another, and unfortunately we lost
lost both of those races for for what

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I considered to be very good conservative
and UH and and faith based candidates and

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Kelly Leffler and David Purdue. The
challenges in the runoff, So first of

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all, in the presidential there were
a record number of Georgia voters that voted

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in the in the general election there
in November, and we actually saw a

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various I worked in politics, you
know, in elections for almost fifteen years

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now. If you would have told
me that we would have ninety one percent

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turnout two months later, about six
sixty days later for a special election or

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for a runoff, brother, I
would have told you that we would have

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won. Generally, you kind of
say, eighty three to maybe eighty six

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percent turnout is probably gonna win a
runoff. Republicans actually had ninety one percent

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turnout in the second election. The
challenge was the Democrats actually had ninety five

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percent turnout in in the runoff.
So you know that I said, I

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just to articulate, I mean,
truly every vote counts. I mean,

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when if you have eight eight cylinders, you need all eight cylinders to be

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firing, and in order to win
an election, especially in a very close

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state like Georgia these days, that
really in terms of kind of registered voters

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favors Republicans slightly, but it really
should. It rarely will be more than

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a fifty one forty nine kind of
state. And uh, and so all

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that to say, you know,
when you get ninety one percent and they

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get ninety five percent of their voters
to turn back out, you know,

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we know what the elections look at, what the results look like. So

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so that's the reason why we stay
engage year in and year out, because

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you can't just kind of, uh, you know, to try to gen

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up the machine, you know,
and like labor day before an election and

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hope that everything turns out. This
is twenty four just a twenty four seven

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process, you know, throughout the
week or the year, but truly a

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twenty four month process in every electoral
cycle. And hopefully there's some heat being

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taken to that in Ohio where the
post Labor Day push in that referendum cases

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turning up but was really not turned
on for the August ballot measure that actually

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could have even prevented some of the
some of the further measures for meeting to

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be taken. And that actually brings
me to the next question. It's a

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big question, but I assume you'll
have some kind of bullet point thoughts,

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which is basically, just what are
you hearing from people on the ground in

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Iowa in particular, just I asked
that, you know, just for no

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reason other than of course it's the
first state where people are actually going to

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a head was going to say,
head to the polls, but do their

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caucusing. What are you hearing from
people? What are the big sort of

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top lines that people bring up?
So I would say, uh, topically

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just in terms of subject matter,
you know, certainly so Iowa about we'll

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see exactly what it breaks down to
this year, but probably about seventy percent

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of caucus voters and I will be
will be self identified Christian conservatives. And

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so you know, if you've got
two at a little more than two out

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of three voters are going to be
strongly pro life. And so you know,

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that's become certainly a heavy topic in
Iowa that they you know, certainly

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want candidates on the state and the
and the federal levels to be strongly pro

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life in action as and in word. You know, another piece I mean

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obviously kind of the overall woke its
genda, you know, is definitely stirn

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people into a frenzy the way that
that cookie crumbles. In terms of specific

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public policy, you know, just
about five months ago, Iowa pass the

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i would argue, probably the single
strongest school choice bill in the United States

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of America to date, overwhelmingly favored
by by Iowa voters, even a lot

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of independent voters by the way,
So you know, the school choice and

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kind of public school agenda types of
things are definitely resonating with a lot of

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can with a lot of voters in
Iowa. A couple of other things,

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you know, I would say,
you know, believe it or not.

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Immigration, just in our event again
to two weeks ago, a week and

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a half ago, immigration was one
of the top issues that that voter,

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that voters wanted to hear here about
from candidates, and so that was interesting.

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Obviously I was not a border state, but the way Kim Reynolds articulated

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at the beginning of the event was
these days every state is a border state

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in one way or the other.
So I would certainly put that near the

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top of the heap as well.
You know, other questions about Ukraine and

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kind of you know, Russia,
Russia challenges. There are a lot of

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questions about the economy, and you
know, the list goes on and on,

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but I would say that you know, live the economy, public safety,

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and you know, the border border
security are definitely kind of major driving

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all about the immigration point. But when

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I talk to grassroots people, they
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is they hear a lot from the
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politically involved basse about something conservatives definitely
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and before you know, after twenty
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of that which is lawfair, and
the kind of weaponization of the bureaucracy of

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the intelligence apparatus. I've heard from
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the ground with activists that they actually
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it's interesting because Donald Trump is obviously
ahead in Iowa. He's not quite as

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far ahead and iowas he is nationally, but he is. He is a

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very comfortable lead in Iowa. Uh
and I would imagine that gives some kind

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of an advantage to be in the
news all of the time, if that

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is a really animating priority. But
let me test that on you. Is

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that something that you guys are hearing
a lot of concern for? Oh?

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Absolutely, you know. So the
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what's what's kind of fascinating to me
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the political left and the political right
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but for kind of like different reasons, you know, and both would actually

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use similar terminology of a two tiered
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the left kind of talks about,
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justice maybe based particularly on on socioeconomics
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of contexts. And then the right
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meaning those who are politically connected and
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those who are kind of liberally politically
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all that to say, there is
a kind of a blinking red light on

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the on the walls of America right
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you know, this justice system isn't
really working for pretty much anybody unless

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you're a billionaire, a multimillionaire,
and then only if you're a liberal billionaire

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multimillionaire, and and so, you
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reasons. I mean, we could
go on for a while on this topic.

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high priority for US, I said, Faith and Freedom Coalition is that's kind

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of one of these I would argue
the justice system is maybe similar almost to

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like a reliable you know, electrical
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you know, reliable and clean water
that you know, it's not like people

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run for president and saying I'll provide
clean water for the United States. But

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anytime that these kind of foundation or
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are lacking, they become very high
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what we're seeing right now. And
frankly, we need a lot of very

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wise people running justice systems and not
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opinion, who are to your point, are weaponizing this thing almost beyond recognition.

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Yeah, and to the extent that
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care about that. It's so interesting
because now we're also going into well,

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we're actually in this period where we're
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comes closer and closer, and conservatives
Freedom Caucus, conservatives, principal conservatives are

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are sort of going to the mat
with not just Kevin McCarthy, who's who's

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sympathetic to them, but also some
moderate Republicans and then the larger sort of

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we've seen Mitch McConnell way in and
basically say shutdowns aren't good for everyone.

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debt. And I feel like that
would be different. And I'm not saying

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it's it's inconsistent at all. It
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know, tea party years however,
many years ago before we started to have

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four indictments against the leading presidential candidate. But that's factoring into the decisions going

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on around the debt and everything to
that extent. How should Republicans in Congress,

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Republicans here in DC be thinking about
how conservative voters and maybe even Democrats

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too, but how conservative voters,
Christian voters are prioritizing all of this what

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they want to see when it comes
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down in the interest of advancing conservative
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I mean, look, that's a
that's a great question on on the

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debt and on on shutdown, and
I'll I will say that, uh,

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you know, I'm going to give
there there is a a valid public policy

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analysis that can that can be made
for sure about shutting down the government related

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to debt, services and specific things
within the budget on a pure political analysis.

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You know, the really difficult situation
is it has less to do with

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kind of the wheels of kind of
political power unto itself, and more to

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do with who holds the reins to
media, national kind of traditional media,

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and certainly social media these days.
The danger the Republicans run and shutting down

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the government is that they will Republicans
will be even if if it's equally you

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know, if I blame quote unquote
is equally distributed among Republicans and Democrats,

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the media will wrap that around Republicans
next, both in the Senate, especially

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in the House, and when the
implications for that start to kind of kick

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in across a lot of you know, certainly paychecks for a lot of federal

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employees, but then also kind of
like other I mean, you know,

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the military will will continue to be
funded, of course, but but a

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number of other realms that are funded
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really struggle and in a super super close

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election. I mean, I think
it's entirely reasonable to expect a presidential cycle

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in twenty twenty four to come down
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three. Again. I think that
it's you know, we do seem destined

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for Arizona, Wisconsin, and Georgia
one more time, and probably less than

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a twenty thousand vote margin in each
of those of those states. So literally,

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you know, we could have one
hundred and seventy five million votes cast,

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maybe even one hundred and eighty five
million votes cast, and still the

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difference would actually be less than fifty
thousand votes in three states determining the you

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know, electoral college. It's just
very precarious to kind of know that the

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media is gonna gonna strap that shut
down in those three states, you know,

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around Republicans, so and I know
that the McCarthy speaker, McCarthy's doing

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everything he can to avoid that just
because of the political messaging realities that,

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unfortunately are the cards that he's sort
of been dealt in the world of dealing

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with a lot of legacy media out
there. Oh yeah, he has been.

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There's no question about it, whether
he fumbles or not, he was

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dealt about from the beginning, not
in an easy position, definitely between Iraq

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and a hard place, and also
in actually this is kind of a strange

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transition. But you mentioned life earlier, and this has been all over headlines.

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This is the chatter and the conservative
movement over the past week, which

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was Donald Trump telling Kristen Welker now
a week ago that he thinks the Heartbeat

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bill, the six week bill run
to Santa sund was quote terrible. It's

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set off this huge conversation in pro
life circles that I'm sure you've been part

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of and have followed very closely.
And you know, it's it's interesting in

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a bunch of different ways. It's
interesting in the sort of insight into the

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way Donald Trump thinks. It's interesting
in the way the pro life movement sort

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of makes some of these calls and
decisions and looks to the future, what

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have What's your sense as to how
that landed with you know, actual voters

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in places like Iowa and places like
Wisconsin in the last week. Yeah.

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Well, you know, one of
the reasons why I like doing interviews like

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when we're doing right now is because
it gives us, at least just a

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couple of more minutes than normal normal
media to unpack some of the most complex

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analyzes, frankly, in American politics
right now. So here's as quickly as

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I can. Very important for every
every voter, but especially kind of informed

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voters, like like your listeners,
to recognize what kind of what the margin

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demographic is in American politics right now. So the holy grail, if you

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will, for persuadable voters, kind
of fence sitting voters right now are college

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educated, white suburban females and so
anybody. You know. I'm not a

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female, but I am married to
We have two kids. My wife is

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an extremely sharp lady. But she
also is not you know, following national

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media political media twelve hours a day
because she's raising our two daughters. You

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know, we're we're both doing it, of course, but she's she's,

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uh, you know, shuttling lots
of kids to a lot of places,

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doing all kinds of stuff. We're
home schooling and on and on. That's

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not that's not unique. You know, a lot of white, suburban college

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educated moms are either you know,
spending a ton of time with kids or

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they're also maybe even working and then
also doing things with kids. So I

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say all that as it relates to
the life question, because many of those

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are are kind of like a little
bit ambivalent on these questions surrounding life.

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And so one of the reasons why
we had faith and freedom are you know,

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very nuanced and our approaches to life
that we want to absolutely protect every

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single child in the womb, but
we have to make sure that the messaging

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is tenable for basically suburban college educated
females in Metro Arizona, Metro Milwaukee,

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met Metro Phoenix, Metro Milwaukee,
and Metro Atlanta, because they absolutely are

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kind of the fulcrum to the political
scales, if you will. Right now,

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and Donald Trump, because of the
lead that you alluded to, you

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know, a couple of minutes ago, he is now really messaging more towards

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a general election audience than to a
quote unquote primary election audience. So he

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knows that he might stuffer a little
bit with the kind of base pro life

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community. But and I will admit, I wish you would have phrased it

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differently than that. You know,
the six week band in Florida and other

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states, by the way, by
implication is terrible. I don't think that

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that's. First of all, I
don't think it's true, and it's second

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of all, I don't think that's
a way to communicate about that issue.

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But I do think that he could
be nuanced in that in a way that

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communicates or messages nuance to those suburban
voters while still defending and supporting in a

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measure which would codify this is on the

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ballot in November, would codify the
right to abortion into the Ohio Constitution.

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There was a vote in August.
We covered this a little bit at the

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time that would have said you need
to have a sixty percent voter threshold to

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make any changes to the state constitution
and that failed. So there's a lot

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of expectation that it's going to be
easy for the left to get over that

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fifty percent hurdle, especially given how
things have gone in Kansas, at Michigan

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and suburban women are the target,
the demographic you were just talking about here

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and so being involved in the space
and this work. What is the way

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to convey nuance? I'm thinking,
even you know, just in a political

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ad or anything like that, what's
the best way to do that in this

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case? Well, a couple of
ways, I think. First of all,

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you know, I articulating that a
pro life position is actually a very

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compassionate and uh you know, delicate
position, and believe it or not,

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the the sort of draconian position,
and I would argue, you know,

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pretty evil, just an unseemly position
is the position of of California, and

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of New York, and of Illinois
and a couple of other states that basically

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are allowing uh you know, termination
or president of pregnancy not only you know,

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up to the moment of pregnancy,
but even in some situations after pregnancy.

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Of Virginia, you know, we
actually know that the previous governor of

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Virginia had you know, was was
willing to kind of work around the legislature

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in Virginia to allow those kinds of
uh practices in in Virginia, which we

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think is a relatively purple or moderate
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that that practice even on planet Earth, never minded in the United States of

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America, on planet Earth, is
actually an unthinkable practice. I mean even

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Russia and China don't even have don't
even allow no practices like that. So

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the reality is that, ironically,
in that very same article, a very

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same interview, you know, with
Meet the Press, I think, you

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know, President Trump might have missed
an opportunity when he was ying to kind

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of uh, you know, pivot
to this point. The Democrats position is

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the one that's that's untenable and draconian, uh, you know, allowing pregnant

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you know, terminations and abortions in
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Well the interviewer said, uh,
Democrats don't believe that. Well, it's

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not even like they have, like
a couple of outliers have articulated this,

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uh, you know, like the
US House of Representatives under Nancy Pelosi two

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years ago voted in favor of that
bill. I mean, it's not like

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it happened thirty years ago. It's
not like three, you know, extraneous

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people said this. The entire Democrat
federal party voted for that within the last

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two and a half years. So
I mean, he, I just don't

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don't think that he was quite prepared
to kind of push back with you know,

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specific either federal or again. I
mean, we actually have seen you

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know, several states moving that direction
just since the Dom's decision in the last

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year and a little bit, so, so you know, I think the

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way to paint this is that we
we you know, pro lifers believe in

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obviously life, the sensitivity and delicacy
of of of human life. And we

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also in all of those states,
by the way, are providing are providing

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provisions for from mothers, uh you
know, certainly for you know, they're

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kind of like a maternity leave provisions
that are also passing in a lot of

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these states that that poll extremely uh
well across demographics and geography across the country.

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You know, So there actually are
very thoughtful and again compassionate positions that

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that the pro life movement is moving
towards. And but unfortunately in the case

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of Ohio, you know, I
don't think the ballot initiative was terribly well

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funded on our side. And you
know, I think that's one of the

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the faults that we can can we
we kind of assume or presume that because

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we have truth on our side.
You know that just truth, unto itself,

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will sell you know, we'll kind
of sell itself. And unfortunately,

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you do need to back that truth
up with you know, you know,

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with with a strategic communication plan.
Uh. And and I think that that

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assumption or political presumption, uh,
you know, put us in a little

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bit of a box in Ohio last
year or last last month. You know,

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that is a thing I've heard over
and over again from people who are

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involved, that the conservative donor class
uh is just not interested and even the

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pro life donor class uh to the
extent that that's it's it's own sort of

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entity. Uh. Just it was
like pulling teeth to get people to pay

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attention to Ohio. I don't know
if that's a post Dobbs thing. I

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don't know if it's a post can
this Michigan thing, but or maybe it's

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just because it's it's always probably been
harder to raise money for for Life because

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it's kind of it's not as political, but man, it's just so little

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attention as being paid to something that
is so monumental in Ohio. Well,

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and bear in mind also that that
a lot of the messaging on the political

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left is actually done because they don't
have to raise money on on facilities and

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operations because they're largely is funded through
unfortunately still through taxpayer resources. All of

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the money that they raise goes into
political strategy. So you know, playing

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parent who doesn't raise money for operations
and politics. Like all of the you

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know, the the kind of pro
life either advocacy groups or the you know,

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the crisis pregnancy centers across the country, all of that is done by

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by private dollars. So we actually
have to fight on two fronts, whereas

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they really from private donors perspective,
they only really have to fight on one

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front. Right. And it's as
someone pointing this out to me last week,

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it's it's also an industry. It's
a for profit industry, and so

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they have plenty of revenue streams coming
in to fight against life correctly, right,

444
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So actually on that, I know
you guys have legislative priorities, and

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it has been remarkable to see so
much. I don't know, I can't

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00:36:32,519 --> 00:36:39,039
remember seeing so much. I think
like legislative creativity or just like this invigorated

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approach to like new types of legislation, new ideas for bills around the country,

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00:36:45,079 --> 00:36:50,079
especially especially especially when it comes to
education. That's the space where it

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seems like this is exploded, where
states really are becoming the laboratories of Republican

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government that they're intended to be.
I'm obviously thinking a lot of Florida,

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but other states Louisiana start targeting the
pornography industry. There's really, it seems

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to me, been a bounty of
new ideas for how to approach some of

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these things. What are the big
ticket legislative priorities on your guys's agenda?

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Well, gosh, where to begin. So I we can almost do an

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entire segment just on the newly constituted
Supreme Court US Supreme Court. That so

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you know, clearly the kind of
top of top of mind for everybody in

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the world, as much as America
is the Dom's decision. But ironically,

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on the exact same day, part
of the portfolio of opinions that was handed

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down that day also was West Virginia
versus EPA opinion that basically allowed state legislatures

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statutes passed by the state legislature priority
over a federal agency on interpret interpretation of

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the Clean Waters Act. Well,
bit by bit, the US Supreme Court

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has been i would say, eroding
maybe what's known as Chevron defference, which

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is a doctrine that has for thirty
years basically now has has allowed the US

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Supreme Court to give preferential treatment to
federal bureaucracies. Well, they're kind of

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agency by agency, they're peeling that
away. And what they're what that's doing

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is it's taking different subject matters and
kicking them back to states. And so

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they truly are not in kind of
one fail swoop, but incrementally they're they're

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empowering state legislatures to do a host
were about we're just over twenty opinions have

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00:38:49,719 --> 00:38:54,719
accomplished this now and we're seeing states
take, uh, you know, take

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these approaches. Another approach that I
think is is we they're is there are

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legislative components to this, but we
also work a lot with with administrative heads,

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agency heads and states around ESG programs
that you know, as we've seen

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corporations huge, huge hedge funds literally
weaponize state retirement accounts against frequently the the

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pension holders of that those state accounts, the interests of states and individuals.

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Uh. You know, so we're
we're actually you know, working in very

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granular ways and about thirty states across
the country not only on abortion, but

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also on school choice, on religious
liberty, on you know, accountability for

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for transnational companies, uh, to
not weaponize our monetary systems against all Americans,

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but especially Americans faith From our perspective, you know, so we're actually

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extremely encouraged. But it's you know, these are kind of like it's like

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a death by a thousand cuts to
the federal bureaucratic regime, and we're about

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00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:09,719
five hundred cuts into that process.
And we're actually very cautiously optimistic. And

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if we can get a friendly White
House administration back in place, I think

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we're going to be able to row
those powers even more. The Washedolt on

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489
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or wherever you get your podcast.
I was gonna say, I was really

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happy to see you guys hosted Tulsa
Gabbard. I think that was over this

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last weekend, right, Yeah,
she's actually been with us probably three times

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this year in different events, but
she was with us in North Carolina just

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on Saturday, Saturday morning, and
I was gonna ask, I mean,

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she's representative of a not insignificant group
of Christians who feel completely and totally abandoned

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by the Democratic Party and by the
broader left. And I'm just wondering if

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you encounter you know, like I
said, it's it's not you know,

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millions of millions of people, but
well it probably is millions of millions of

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people, but you know, and
I know you probably work with a lot

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of traditional conservative type folks. But
do you guys come across do you hear

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00:41:45,159 --> 00:41:52,440
from you know, the Tulsa Gabbards
of Iowa, of Georgia, of Wisconsin

505
00:41:52,440 --> 00:41:59,840
who are not just secular Democrats who
feel abandoned by the left, but are

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00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:07,400
you know, genuinely conservative Christians who
feel politically homeless. Well, yeah,

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00:42:07,519 --> 00:42:09,719
that's you know again, we could
probably spend thirty minutes just on that one

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also. But you know, I
would say a couple of things are going

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on right now. So you've got
machine politics going on with the Democratic left

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00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:27,599
that are are systematically squelching any uh, you know, differing opinions out there,

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which is ironically is actually also empowering
those voices. So you know the

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reason why why uh? You know, we've got another Kennedy here who is

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actually you know, gaining in the
polls. I mean, there's another recent

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poll in the last week or so
that has him up to about twenty four

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00:42:46,239 --> 00:42:51,400
twenty five percent. He's been hovering
more like sixteen to eighteen percent for a

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00:42:51,480 --> 00:42:58,519
few months. But you know,
a lot of of of kind of moderate

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Catholics maybe will say, you know, actually identify with a lot of the

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00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:08,360
things that that he talks about,
and then frankly a lot of those kind

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00:43:08,400 --> 00:43:15,760
of moderate Catholics and Evangelicals for that
matter, that are interested in social programs

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00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:17,679
to help the poor, particularly which
is you know, there are a host

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of Biblical teachings on on helping the
poor. I think we can, you

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00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:28,679
know, have have a meaningful debate
on on whether Scripture actually contemplates governments helping

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00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:32,400
the poor. I mean, there
certainly are elements to that, but I

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00:43:32,440 --> 00:43:37,840
would argue most of what the political
charges is for individuals to help the poor,

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00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:39,760
not you know, for us to
just set up Medicaid and Medicare and

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00:43:40,440 --> 00:43:45,039
uh, you know, snap snap
programs and just say, you know,

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00:43:45,159 --> 00:43:50,199
we're complying with biblical mandates. But
but nonetheless, you know, there are

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00:43:50,679 --> 00:43:55,199
many kind of center lefts uh Christians
who feel strongly about those things, but

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00:43:55,320 --> 00:44:00,039
also don't like either the anti good
kind of agenda and rhetoric of the political

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00:44:00,119 --> 00:44:06,320
left or or just the extreme kind
of woke uh you know, stuff that

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00:44:06,320 --> 00:44:12,280
we've seen over the last three or
four years. So those those voters,

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00:44:13,480 --> 00:44:17,360
I would argue, absolutely, you
know, feel kind of taken for granted,

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00:44:17,519 --> 00:44:22,760
if not you know, completely uh
sort of abandoned at this point,

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00:44:23,400 --> 00:44:27,360
and that's you know that that is
actually part of our argument to a lot

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00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:30,519
of the candidates on the on the
political right is you know, can can

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00:44:30,599 --> 00:44:38,320
we think through meaningful policies and messages
that can can affect those disaffected you know,

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00:44:38,440 --> 00:44:43,960
otherwise very compassionate voters. Well,
Timothy Head, there's so many big

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00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:49,079
elections coming out, not just the
presidential election, and you have been so

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00:44:49,199 --> 00:44:52,599
generous with your time and giving us
some insight into what you're hearing from the

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00:44:52,639 --> 00:44:57,440
people who will decide those on the
state level the federal level. Thank you

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for joining the show today. It's
a trade to be with you, and

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00:45:00,559 --> 00:45:05,519
hopughfully we can do it again as
as we continue to march towards you know,

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the Republican primaries certainly early next year
and then throughout the presidential next year.

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Absolutely we will have to do that. Timothy Head is the executive director

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of the Faith and Freedom Coalition.
I'm Emili Jashnski, culture editor here at

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The Federalist. Will be back soon
with more. Until then, the Lovers

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of freedom and anxious for the Prey