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our guests for today. It's Stephanie. Stephanie, how are you Hi?
There, George, I'm great, how are you? It's nice to be
Yeah, it's good to meet you. Like I said before the podcast,
we've been chatting, I think going back since the mid September, and it's
great to have you on and present your journey to the Truth with the audience.
So without any further ADO, please do introduce yourself to the audience.
All right, Well, I'll do my best. I'm actually a little bit
nervous here. I want to start by seeing two things. I've been questioning
the globe birth since I was about five or six, and I can tell
a story about my experience with that. And the other thing I want to
say is that my journeys to the flat Earth really followed two kind of trajectories.
One where I feel that God just kept calling me close to him into
the truth that's in his word. And also my own perception and knowledge about
conspiracies and the state of the world and realizing like just the whole gamut of
falsehoods that were surrounded with every day. I feel like I was at a
tensure maneuver where both of those things kind of came in around me and kind
of brought me to this focal point where I'm so happy to be here.
Why I think I have a better understanding of the truth and a pathway to
keep learning that. Yeah, and for me, I think I had to
understand all the lies of mankind and how flawed or history books were for me
to even accept looking into flat earth when I realized, well, you know,
all of this is a lie. So maybe just maybe you know,
spinning on a ball, maybe that's a lie too. So I had to
kind of go down different rabbit holes in order for me to put down my
guard to look into it. And everybody else, well a lot of people,
I shouldn't say everybody else, but I went in. You know,
let's either prove or to disprove it once and for all. And in the
forefront of my mind it was to disprove it because of the psychological operations that
they use on us. Right, it's how silly. But when you you
know, I've said this before, when you look at Akham's Razor and how
helio centrism works versus a flat earth slash Biblical cosmology. One is just so
much simpler of an explanation than the other, and one is certainly meant to
confuse, right, oh, right on, right on, Yeah, the
simplest answer. And again, like I was already questioning what I was experiencing
the world and what people were telling me when I was very young, and
I'm so happy that I have that memory kind of is a benchmark. And
I think I also have a story I can till you hear in just a
moment about early on realizing that me were navigating in a world with two truths
or you know, a different reality from truth. Actually, I can tell
you now that I kind of have this outline of sort of my journey from
like my young years through kind of where I finally kind of came to flat
Earth just in the last couple of years. But when I was a youngster,
my family, I grew up in a Christian family, and so and
my parents did a great job. We had a devotional every morning. We
actually chapter by chapter, read through the entire Bible a couple of times in
my growing up years, so exposed to the Bible and those conversations, and
we went to a little church and my mom was my Sunday school teacher,
and she taught it all like in really great literal terms, like like all
of it, like like the blood, the guts, like the promises,
the glory, the hope, all of it. So when I went to
school and teachers started to tell me about dinosaurs and how they were from millions
of years ago and they evolved and now they're extinct, and that already just
didn't sit right with me. And I went home and talked with my parents
about that, and the answer was, well, yeah, you know,
they like to teach that that's what they think. That's what they think.
So just like you know, plug in learn what they want you to learn.
You can tell them that you learned and understand what they think, but
you know the truth, which is a really like, on one hand,
that's a really nice, sort of level headed, dispassionate, good mom answer,
But on the other hand, what a missed opportunity to you know,
encourage me to think about what could I see at school to suggest to my
teacher then maybe there's a different way or you know, just something to anchor
that and be like a stronger representative for truth instead of sort of just laying
down and accepting like at the first interval, you know, the first time
you encounter this disparity between what you know is truth and what you're being told
in the world, it's like, just let it roll off your back,
right, Like what if we all just didn't let it roll off our back,
Like not like be a jerk about everything we disagree about, but just
stand up for truth. Let me ask you a question. Do you think
how would you have said you were at the time when that happened, when
he went home and told him about the dinosaurs and your parents said that's just
what they believe. How old would you say you were? Oh, like
sick, sick? Quiet? So do you think And because I get a
few people every now and then who say that like they've been able to kind
of see the world how it is since they've been little, would you have
been able to handle that if they sat you down and said, you know,
And maybe they don't, I don't know if it's they didn't know where,
but if they would have sat down and told you that, you know
the world is full of deceit or history books, especially in the science side
of things, is a lot of lies in order to to you know,
hide God from people. Is that something you think you could have processed at
that age. Oh, I think it would have changed my debrain and it
would have been amazing. Yeah, because I felt the whole time that when
I was growing up, I had this weird feeling that I was on like
the treiling margin of the like the good times of like this, like this
like this goodness that wasn't gonna last. Like you know, I had siblings.
I was the oldest in my house, and so I would even hear
and see what they were experiencing in school, and it was just a little
bit different. And I had kind of this awareness already. And again we
were at church all the time, as you're already hearing those messages about you
know, to not be of the world too, you know, that were
distinct, that were separate, that were called to to stinctification and in God,
and and that we're gonna be different. I think I think, I
think I would have been a completely different person. I think than I would
have gone like far further just in my ability to think and act like like
now, I am so aware sometimes of that I'm not as good at thinking
and problem solving and like working through things because I think It started when I
was six, where it's like just let it roll out your back, like
just kind of smooth the high points off of those different friction, those different
times when you account of friction between truth and reality all great points. And
I know this is kind of out of left field, but I really noticed
something over the past few days. I guess the longer you're quote unquote awake
and see truth, that the more you pick up the minute details in which
they put into place to divide us, because I always talk about the divide
and conquer scheme amongst us, but also again to keep focus away. And
something happened the other day that really so you know, it's playoff football in
the NFL now, and a guy missed a field goal, and the next
day all anybody was talking about was how much they were mad about somebody who
kicks a ball for a living, and they were sending death threats to a
guy who kicks a ball for a living. But and I said to people,
you know, these people were a hundred times more angry about a football
game than all the liberties that that were taken away from them during COVID.
And it really just goes to show how misguided people are grown men, you
know, who pay two hundred dollars to seat crying because they're football team lost.
And again I'm not trying to ridicule anyone, and if you're passionate about
it, so be it. But my point is I really wish I would
see the same emotions out of things that truly matter in life and things that
are going to make a difference in your children and your grandchildren's lives as you
do over a football game. Yeah, yes, oh absolutely. And that
goes back to like what if we just all like had an ethic of standing
up for truth, you know, like just like not telling the little white
lie or not or asking the questions. Sometimes the truth is just a question.
It's not to reject something or go a different direction, but just to
like uncover the whole story. You know, you feeled at something's being obscured
from you. I was I was on a slight once and you know,
like a whole bunch of strangers and you know, people mostly mind their own
business, but two men were there. One of them was reading the sports
section and a man nearby kind of tapped him on the elbow. And if
they had a really engaged, energetic conversation about what was happening in the sports
ball world, like they they just they really connected on it. They knew
the people, they knew like the factors that were going on with you know,
which players were strong or were not, and like so much energy,
and my heart just aches to to be in a world and be around people
where we can talk with that kind of energy and passion and an intuition about
the Kingdom of Heaven, about the truth, about the truth full stop.
That would just be beautiful because all that sports, it's wonderful, it's entertaining,
it's engaging, there's a personal connection, but it's kind of like nothing
that's so sad. I agree. And I used to be the part of
the wei, right the Eagles were my team, and that would be upset
for days after Sunday, you know, they lost. I'd be upset till
Wednesday, just allowing something, you know. And when they won the Super
Bowl seven years ago, whatever, I didn't get a ring. So the
whole I realized maybe the whole me thing wasn't really you know, And again
I think it's you know, sports so important to play children, you know,
playing it and exercise and everything else is great. But I think,
like you said, there is that particular thing just seeing grown people just enraged,
but at the same time having your you know, closed churches and told
you're not essential. There wasn't this one tenth of the energy because of that,
And that was just very I couldn't believe what I was seeing on social
media for two days, and I mentioned that on my other podcast during an
interview yesterday, just how we are so unfocused on what truly matters in this
world. And I will tell you much of the reason is because we've never
a lot of us, including some church folk who run churches, are more
worried about fitting in than standing by the word. And I see that a
lot, and not just the church. I'm talking regular people like you and
I who may be in a situation where an opportunity is afforded us to say
something, but maybe because of the room we're in, or maybe we're at
work or some we back off and we don't drop that nugget that we could
have. So I agree with you. I think we should all and I'm
I'm talking to myself in the mirror here. We should be stronger in our
convictions and maybe when those opportunities do arise, don't be so you know,
worried about what other people think about our convictions and our beliefs. Yeah,
yes, oh, I one hundred percent agree. I also I also think
that, you know, I just wonder how much of the depression and like
just the mental pain that people are experiencing increasingly. I mean, you know,
they talk about how so many people are on antidepressants and you know,
things like that. I mean that goes back generations. There's people in our
family who had, you know, just really grievous grief or depression or other
kind of mental illnesses that that beset them. And as I have learned now
more about our history and how are even the United States and my lifetime and
my parents or my in laws lifetime, I think a lot of our grief
is us like battling it out internally, like below our consciousness of like we're
seeing with our own eyes and ears exactly what's going on, and somehow we're
convincing ourselves that it's okay, like just keep going, like just keep going
and punching the time club buck, like just you know, get the degree,
buy the car, get the house, raise your kids, like check
your boxes and those are the values and the big milestones, and those are
all super good, good things, but they're sort of external, and they're
the complete you know, neglect for so many people of really nurturing your spirit
and being honest with yourself and making real decisions for yourself instead of just falling
through that cascade of checkboxes in the American lifestyle. I agree, and you
know, once again, I love the people of this country. But as
my journey to has grown and I've really understood the history of this country,
we know the evil that runs at the very top levels of the government.
And again they use patriotism against us to send us our sons and daughters off
to die in these wars that really, most of them, we have no
just justification being a part of And again I don't want to turn this into
a podcast that's not but at the same time that there's either there's right and
wrong, and if you know, if we're on the wrong side of history,
we should point it out and it should be taught because if our children
don't learn true history, they're going to keep going down the same road.
Nothing changes if we hold these things inside, which basically you summed up perfectly
is you know, we keep the fight inside, and that's not fixing anything.
It actually makes things worse because, like you said, it stresses us
out. People go to the doctor that prescribed drugs and they're numbed and they're
right back into the comato state where they're not thinking yeah, yes. And
it's hard our brains, you know, we are creatures of habit. Our
brain likes to think in patterns, we like to act in like have our
days in patterns. It's hard. It's hard to break those patterns. And
if you're in a really fulfilled, rich life and you you know, really
do have a good sense of honesty an initiative in your life, it's very
hard to change habits and patterns. So, you know, if you've been
anesthetized where you know, you work, you scroll your phone, you know,
you pay your credit card bill, do it all again, it's hard
to get out of that pattern. It's hard to even see that there might
be something different, which which I think you often on your podcast will ask
people like, how like have you brought anybody into an understanding of the flat
earth or biblical cosmology? And I think that would just be a wonderful accomplishment
for people who have done that and are able to do that. But I
think when I reflect on my life, I got there because like just these
different moments where somehow like I had the wherewithal to observe and notice something true.
Right, And it only took a few of those. But I'm fifty,
so it took a long time for those to collectively like help me like
more fully open my eyes and see things like even bigger than any of those
individual pans on their own. So I think just being an encouragement, maybe
maybe I'll never condense somebody of biblical cosmology, but I can encourage them just
validate when they ask me like, hey, are you seeing this? Well,
heck, yeah, I'm seeing it. That's exactly what's going on,
right. That can be enough in that moment to set that person up to
adopt and see the truth in other situations down the line when I may not
be a part of the picture at all. Agreed, I couldn't agree with
you more. And there are people who again I have family members who are
starting to understand the world is not you know, maybe just asn't as it's
portrayed on the TV. And again, I think it goes back to twenty
twenty and the election and the Summer of Love and people standing in front of
a burning building saying it's mostly peaceful protests because you're seeing what's going on,
but the powers that be are telling you something completely different. And and again
I say, even the normalist of normies are starting to see maybe there's something
you know deeper to what's going on. And that's what I try any time
I replied to an email or I talk to someone locally. Right, it's
not that I wear a tinfoil a hat. And I believe in UFO because
when people, you know, when they hear about truthers, of course you're
a conspiracy theorist, they picture someone who has tenfoil a hat, and you
know, just again what they portray on TV, the crazy conspiracy conspiracy theorist
guy. But if you when you're talking to folks, if you can help
set them up with a bigger picture and the why not just I believe this,
you know, I believe that you know, this is what really happened
to Kennedy. But if you lay out the bigger picture, you know,
like this podcast, the first episode was why the Lie? And I think
that's important to include anything when you try to, you know, set something
up for someone, you have to explain the reasoning behind it, not just
what you believe. Oh, I agree. And you know, at one
point my my husband and I were having a conversation about some social or political
matter and he shared a Tom Soell quote. This says, you get more
of what you pay for or more of what you sumpsidize, which is really
smart. And then I think, you know, like other people, maybe
I don't know that I could attribute the quote, but you know, when
you see a particular situation, like follow the money and look to see who
benefits, that's such an easy way with like everybody knows there's somebody who's calling
the shots when it comes to the finances or the balance sheet, whether it's
corporate or political or whatever. That's a really non threatening way to just be
like who do you think is benety here? Or do you really think?
Do you really think here's the here's one who really would like get up out
of their house and go burn things down if they weren't incentivized to go do
that, Like do we all need to go like to work and get money
to put gas in our car and make the mortgage payment? And you know,
pick our kids up from school or be in a family birthday party somewhere,
like, how do we like spontaneously get all these people and who are
going to go in and do these things? It's probably not spontaneous, no,
no, one hundred percent. They're incentivized. And there's many people who
did podcast and YouTube videos on people who were involved in Portland and Saint Louis
where they were getting these prepaid debit cards and of course they were promised that
they would be let out of jail within an hour. Most people I would
keep an eye on the uh. I forget the name of the county in
Portland or the sheriff's office there. People would be in and out no time.
You would see their picture and then they they'd be out on bail.
So all of this, none of it was organic. And I've said this
a million times. There's not much in our society that is organic. Everything
is planned. And listen, if folks are looking for a fresh rabbit,
hold to go down the Carlisle group, who was very much responsible for the
Iraq War and who made millions off of that, or very much behind the
Taylor Swift and her boyfriend, the football guy and all you know Taylor Swift
in itself is you know, a strong independent woman, no children and has
a lot of sway amongst the youth of our country. And then they have
her connect with this guy who was all about Pfizer paid this guy twenty million
dollars to do a commercial, right, So everything there's a nefarious agenda with
all of these things, and most of it is Listen, if you can
get the mind of the youth, you're winning the battle. If you're allowing
outside entities to mold the mind of your children, weren't big try and that
is happening with these type of things. Oh it is, you know,
my children are grown, and so I'm a little bit out of those circles.
I was at church and heard one of the mother's remarking that, like
the big reward treat in her family right now as some particular sports drink.
And it was only because they saw like a commercial of a particular figure somebody
like drinking or advocating for that product, like just just like that. And
this boy, who was happy with you know, whatever was being served previously,
really thought that it was just the best thing ever to have this particular
drink now like just instantaneous. I am, I was, I had uh
was following somebody on social media during the con and she had a small though
so a little bit of an influencer, not not super huge, which I
think is actually significant here. But she shared with her followers that she'd been
approached by the Department of Public Health at her state where she lived, asking
her to, you know, just work in some content and post to encourage
people to mask up, to continue to distance. I don't know if that
was after the shots were available or not, but really like looking to see
if they couldn't influence her to help be a spokesperson without disclosure to her followers
to urge them to conform to those mandates, which I just am so appreciative
of her passing that along and being transparent about it, because that really helps
you to again be resolved in the truth that you see. You know,
like it can be really wearing that was years of that circus and you can
get worn down and feel like maybe I should just yield, maybe I need
to do these things or see it a different way, and those little pieces
of information just it helped my husband and I to stay confident in resisting a
lot of that. So, yeah, that was bold of her to not
only say no, but to actually let her audience know that that happened because
a lot of people, like a guy who I interviewed, I feel bad.
I can't master Sergeant Jeremy Brown. You know, the FBI showed up
to his house a month before January sixth, and he recorded them on the
zoom audio or the not zoom the ring and when he went forward, they
came after him. So kudos to her to exposing it, and hopefully she
didn't really have to deal with any lashback from the people who trying to get
her to do that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm so appreciative of
it. I also think he made a comment about like how so many things
around us aren't even real, like like you were sharing like the riots or
other things. But I mean that's really been on my mind a lot to
focus on, like what are the the genuine, real human moments that I
can be cultivating and cherishing in my life because you know, I work remote
online, so you know I'm in a computer all the time and not out
Like I love hearing about your homestead. We just moved in. We'll have
a garden in a chicken or two, but not a homestead in the sense
of in that sense of the word, but you know, cultivating like thinking
an independent thought, like not just consuming a podcast or a video, but
reading or even like just being intentionally kind of still, you know, going
without having to talk or read or even be planning anything, just to see
you know, like like what am I capable of thinking? You know,
I think we're in a cycle where we're just moving to the next thing.
Or you have an idea like we're going to build a little chicken coop,
and you can think about a chicken coop and in like half a second have
your phone out looking up like where to buy one or how to make one,
or what are the best characteristics of one? Like why not just sit
down and like wonder about it a little bit, you know, like I
just think there's something beautiful about that. Or you know, we had neighbors
and we actually moved into a great neighborhood. Go talk across the fence.
I feel about their chicken crew, you know, but just to be genuine
and real and to filter, you know, as much of that artificial stuff
out of our lives as we shun. Yeah, that's such a great point
because I used to anytime I try to walk whenever I can, and I
would always have earbuds in maybe music, maybe a podcast. But I've made
it a point to nothing, just walk and enjoy nature and to think and
process things, because it's a great point. If you don't give yourself time
to process things that you've digested during the day, whether it be videos or
podcasts or radio or something like that, you need to take the time to
think and digest and make your own opinions and your own decisions. And that
is such an important point that you do need that solace away from the constant.
You know, whenever you're listening to something, your mind is taking it
and processing it. It's important to have your own quiet time to think about
things and you know the things you have heard. Does this make sense?
Does this not make sense? Instead of NonStop input, right, you have
to process the input at some point, right. Absolutely. I also think
that in my family, for myself and with my husband, when I look
back over the last ten years ago, I really see God and the Holy
Spirit moving in our lives where we were just increasingly convicted to look at particular
things in our lives or even change churches or you know, whatever it might
have been. But you have to you have to have that quietness or that
moment to allow that conviction to really move you. Otherwise it's just a fleeting
thought, you know, like to know what was I going to say?
I forgot what I was going to say, and it's gone right missed that.
You missed that opportunity, And so there's benefits to that that come you
know from outside of you are an opportunity to tap into something I think much
greater than you. If you're if you're able to do that, really well
done. I did want to ask you some questions regarding your flatters, because
I believe you'd already mentioned that it is something that you considered at a very
young age. You questioned the fact that we're on a spinning ball and as
a youth you were, You're outside experimenting, jumping into the air as high
as you could and leaving lines to see where you landed and things. And
I did the same thing. I would be on a boat and uh,
I would jump up land it the same thing, right and all those things.
But you put you and same with me. You know, my teacher
did the bucket spun it around, said that's gravity. And I even called
him out and said, well that's gravity. Let's spind the bucket around and
see if it holds the water. But then, like everything else, it
just goes awry. And it took Geeze probably another forty years for me to
really think about it again. How was your journey from you know, from
a young age and to when you really readdressed it again? Well, I
think that there were those moments where you know, you learn from your parents
or Sunday school or you know wherever that that source of truth and richness is
when you're very young. And I'm happy to have remembered those times. I
can still remember the rinky thing like sham Art flip flops were like the little
like toe thing is like the little weird cheap connector like total redeating and like
jumping up and really expecting to land on the other side of that little like
dividing light it's in your concrete sidewalk or drivewaars thing. But just remembering like
then it didn't seem right again, like that moment where like you can stop
and think it for a minute where your brain can really retain it instead of
just letting it roll off, roll off your back. I do think I
really betted it. Also from growing up in a Christian home, so that
you know, there were other experiences just observing the world around me. I
remember coming home one night and you lived just far without in the country.
I grew up in Wyoming, so the skies are pretty dark, and one
night getting out of my car and looking up and like almost being like thrown
back, like physically astonished by just how velvety dark the sky was and how
beautiful the stars, like just the dimensional the differences in brightness and the number
of them, and just thinking, like I actually wrote a thing like for
school about us, you know, at a point later where it really seemed
like I could reach up like it was close, like that I could reach
out and feel that velbony sky, or did have a plane flying overhead with
somehow like interfere with the stars, like hanging right where they were, Like
it just seems so close. So I had kind of experiences like that and
then and then didn't really think too much war from like a physical like earth
perspective until I started to travel for work and I would fly. I mean,
now I live in the Central time Zone and I would fly to the
Eastern time zone, and it was sort of like the same thing where I
was a kid in those kmart flip flops, because I would get on this
plane and I'd fly and it was awesome. Like the flights and the timing
were so good for traveling for work, right because you leave at one time
and you get in it's still kind of perfect to get in and go to
work and then coming home again, like perfect timing, like you're kind of
leading to the end of your work day, but you gain that hour coming
back to the Central time zone. But it's like complicated. You're looking at
your ticket and it's not really evident, like your flight duration is it the
same? Is it not the same? And then there's like the jet stream,
like shouldn't I be going like way way faster in one direction or the
other, or like like shouldn't if the Earth is rotating it be like a
little bit shorter, Like but I'd be preoccupied with work and like whatever.
But I would have this like little thought that I wouldn't like work out entirely
every time I got in the plane and flew out, So that kind of
brought it. That kind of brought it back into my mind where I think
it set me up to be receptive for a couple of other things that I
saw on TV or encountered after that. But yeah, kind of funny.
I never even realized it was kind of the same as like being a kid
jumping over a green. Yeah. That's a great point too that I don't
even know if we've ever mentioned it. That you know, the Earth,
according to the science moves counterclockwise at one thousand and forty miles per hour.
So when we're flying from Philly to Chicago, I should get there really quick
because I'm going west to east and the world's been in east. But here
come the emails, Will chors. You don't understand because the plane is still
in the grasp of great You know, it's just nonsense. And it goes
back to what you said at the beginning of the podcast. We see things,
but our brain is so easily manipulated by those who want to manipulate us
that you know, I'm holding this pen in my hand, and you know
I can see that the pen is white. But you know, Neil de
grass Tyson has telling me no, George, because of the refraction and the
way you're holding it. It's actually a light blue. Okay, Neil,
You're right, it's light blue. I mean that's really where we're at with
helio centrism. Yeah, yeah, for sure. And I also think that
there's like a certain amount of like, like our culture right now really seems
to like not value like considered thoughts or reflection or thinking. It's like we're
a real kind of we seem really wired for fun, for fun, and
like I don't have the etymology for the word fun right in front of me,
but I feel like that word originally was a little bit derogatory. I
can tell you that word nice, which again, like we're all urged to
be nice, right, Like, that wasn't nice. It's not nice to
speak up and tell somebody that you don't think that you should have to wear
a mask. It's not nice to, you know whatever, stand up for
truth. The word nice is actually the etymology of that is like vacuous and
empty headed. So like, I feel like the whole value system of our
society right now is kind of like nice and fun, which like is fundamentally
kind of empty. That's great, excuse me, So I looked them up.
While you're talking the etymology of fun Originally, its origin was from the
sixteen hundreds and it was to make a full love or to be a fool.
And then as it kind of evolved in the seventeen hundreds, it was
to cheat or hoax and that was late seventeenth centuries. And then here we
are, let's have fun, right And then you said nice, this goes
back. It doesn't say how far it goes back. Maybe it does not
missing it, but it means to not know or to be ignorant. Yeah.
Yeah, so me, maybe I don't want to be nice or fun.
Yeah, there you go. Folks that'll that'll learn, that'll that'll that'll
shrink your circle of friends pretty fast. Yeah, And what does it mean
to be nice? Like we can be kind to others? What does it
mean to be nice? Though? That does being nice mean that maybe we
shouldn't say things, Maybe we shouldn't speak truth because it'll break somebody's little uh
biosphere of belief? Yeah yeah, well I mean I felt this. You
know when you raise up your kids, like you know, you have those
those chores Saturdays, like whether it's like the big weekend to go get the
leaves out of the yard or or maybe to do you know, deep cleaning,
spring cleaning or something, and and man, our children would just act
sometimes like we were physically killing them. And I and I realized that my
husband and I needed to do work to show the value of just getting out
there and like taking care of our home and our things, and you know,
framing it is a love act, you know, for each other.
You know, this is what makes our home comfortable and safe and in all
of those things. Because like the children really felt like, well, we're
not having fun here, so something something's terribly wrong, right, And and
that's that's just an opportunity to help like teach about better values right to speakings
a little bit differently. And I think that I think that that's happening in
an order of magnitude all around us. Like if we aren't nice, like
if we don't bite our tongue and not make a suggestion or an assertion,
then we're interfering with somebody's fun. And so the whole system has broken down,
which is just so sad. Like maybe like maybe think about why the
comment made you so upset, and think about if you should let it make
you so upset. You don't even have to agree, right, like like
just like sit with that and let it, let it make you a little
bit uncomfortable for a minute, and see what might happen to you. You
might actually find out something really interesting about yourself. Great point. And by
being nice and the origin of the word of being nice, it's probably why
we're in the situation we are as a society today. Yeah, yeah,
for sure. So what were some other things that I noticed? I'm just
looking through my through my notes here. The flights were a big thing,
but then there were these other I think you had mentioned kem trails too,
right, yeah, yeah, well that came. That came, but that
was something that I could observe kind of in the physical like world around me.
So after I had I want to tell you kind of I came to
considering our cosmology really through a Bible study. I had somebody in our we
have a small group home Bible study that we go to and one week the
devotional was about, well, why did Jesus come to this earth? And
I like to think I'm kind of smart, So I had a lot of
my is about like why Andy cooms he can save the lives, you know,
to to like sacrifice his life for us for forgiveness of our sins,
and he did. But those things, those are true things. But there's
a verse in Luke chapter four that it says, I have to preach the
Kingdom. I have to preach the gospel of the Kingdom. That's the reason
I was sent. And I thought the Kingdom, like, I don't know
where you have gone to church. I went to church like every time the
doors were opened my whole young adult life and quite a bit as an adult
with my own family and with my husband. I never really heard lessons or
preaching about the Kingdom of Heaven. Just the parables, but like the big,
big picture about the Kingdom of Heaven. But you know, on that
great day when Jesus returns, he's going to resurface the face of the earth,
and then the Kingdom is going to come to earth and it's going to
be here physically, physically present. And I hit the Google and was like
looking for like more studies and more information and more context about the Kingdom.
And I found a YouTube channel, interestingly titled Kingdom in Context. This is
a person who just really wants to teach the scriptures contextually so that you know,
we can use the Bible to interpret itself and help us to find the
truths. So really amazing lessons about the Kingdom that Tamils been active for a
while. In the very earliest presentations he did low technology, still learning and
getting comfortable in front of a camera on YouTube. Just amazing teaching, really
fantastic, And they have a couple of partnerships, so you can't really talk
about you know, that Great Day and the Kingdom on Earth without talking about
cosmology, so it kind of would come up in the studies anyway. That
channel has a partnership with another one, West Blaze Music, and they have
a series called Uncommon Ground. They found like two full series of all scripturally
based videos about Biblical cosmology and debunking NASA and sharing the results of studies and
experiments and things that if people have done. And Wes Blaze is amazing,
like the level of production and the graphics and the way he finds on that
media and so the sizes it is amazing. So kind of one thing led
to another from this idea that was mentioned in a Bible study and studying that
further and realizing that Biblical cosmology was one of the outcomes of that realization.
That's great and by the way, Luke four verse forty three says, but
he said I must proclaim the good news of the Kingdom of God to the
other towns also because that is why I was sent. That's Luke for forty
three. And then I did find the Kingdom of I'm sorry, Kingdom in
contexts. They have almost a thousand videos, which is mind blowing. And
there's a Facebook link in there as well if you're a facebooker, and I'll
put that in the show notes. He actually our friends Josh from the Founded
Earth Brothers. He did something with him recently and one of his more popular
videos was the reaction from the flat Earth debate, which I still get tons
of emails on and I think you messaged about it as well. Yeah,
you know, I just I don't even know what to think about that.
I don't know, I don't know where that came from. You know that
almost that almost brings me back to what we talked about a second ago,
about like who was incentivized or who benefited from that. Because I'll tell you
this, I came across another really fantastic preacher whose starmons are posted on the
internet. I mean, straight talking about the state of the world about you
know, godly manhood, godly womanhood, fantastic preaching. But he will regularly
in certain comments about like these are the most important things, these topics that
he's preaching on, and we don't need to get tied it up into flat
earth or a couple of other things, but he'll mention flat earth all the
time. And he actually referenced that debate. Oh the names of those two
preachers, that's going to escape me right now, but he'll reference that debate.
Is like, why even fool with this when it's obviously so divisive looking
at this debate, which is just heartbreaking, and I just I feel so
sad that that's the banner for like preachers being open and willing to talk about
it and it being just such a terrible, like reflection on humanity in general.
I couldn't agree more. And that was a d noodle who we had
on episode eighty five maybe. And then Astor greg Locke, who a lot
of people grew to admire during COVID because he was that guy who wouldn't close
his doors. But you know, he's had some interesting things happen. And
again, you're right, I was shocked. I'd spent four hours that night
watching it and the way it all dissolved and hearing a pastor say, you
know, if you believe this, don't come back to my church. It
was super divisive, and I get emails all the time, Hey, I'm
a glober and I want to come on and debate you. And I will
say and I'll tell all the people, now, this is not a debate
for him. That's not what this podcast about. This is more about a
community of people who are like minded. Obviously, I bring people on from
all backgrounds and beliefs. Not everybody have come on has been a Christian,
and that's not a prerequisite for coming on the program. However, I'm not
going to sit here and argue because of the fact I use that as a
prime example. Look what happens. It becomes destructive and divis about that.
I refuse to have that in this community. Yeah, oh I I and
I just think that your approach is just is just really really wonderful. I
think that a part of getting to this point. I think for most of
the people who I listened to on your podcast, like we kind of get
pulled through a lot of mud, right, a lot of realization about other
conspiracies about a lot of other things that are broken in the world, and
so kind of getting to this point like in one. On one hand,
it's really liberating, and then for a while I was like I have to
keep digging, like what else? What else is behind this one? Like
what what else is there that uncover? And so I listened to your other
podcasts quite a bit, or you know, other presenters with similar content,
and I've gotten to a point where I've had my fill. I think we
know that this is a falling world. We know that the people in charge
have a very calculated, long running agenda. But I think the most important
thing is to live our lives right. Like the more time that we spend
like put letting them into our heads that comes at the trade off of like
building the chicken coup or having the conversation or the quiet moment. But the
way that you conduct this podcast and just the warmth of fellowship, even though
it's just yourself in one person at a time, you're building a community and
it's so encouraging to come in here and listen to that. So that's really
really high remarks and well done to you as you say well done you that
you conduct that so well. Well, I appreciate that, and again,
really kudos to all the people who have come on like yourself and has opened
themselves up to you know, a worldwide audience and you know said, this
is kind of what I believe, and I think it's really important because,
you know, one of the common narratives amongst all my interviews is the fact
that there's no there's not a whole lot of like minded people nearby right in
your community. But when you hear the stories, you're like, ha,
that that's that's what I think. And then you understand there's there's a lot
of like minded people out there, even though the powers that be would like
you to think that you're now you're just you're the oddball because you didn't trust
the science or whatever the reason is. There's tons of people out there and
growing by the day, and just the you know, I'm not saying that
the home school growth directly reflects, you know, kind of the truth movement,
et cetera, but I mean it went from less than three percent to
over eight percent that the homeschooling education in just three years. So I do
think there's people who are starting to say, hmmm, you know, you
know, maybe mom and Dad peaked in on that Zoom class back in twenty
twenty and saw was being taught and they realized that the Rockefeller education system may
not be for their children. Yeah. Yeah, well, and that's kind
of We've had that experience in other situations we went through again, you know,
and our families we all go through, like some hard times and of
course the really good times too, And we went through a couple of really
trying Perians and I just suffer through some illness with our children, and it
can be kind of tempting to guard that because it's vulnerable and upsetting and scary,
and there were some elements of it that just didn't seem like nice or
pleasant to share openly. But every time I would be candid or transparent with
somebody about what we were experiencing, without fail, the answer would be,
oh goodness, my niece is having that same issue, or you know,
our family experienced that, We came through it and are enjoying being restored to
wellness, you know at this point. So I think being vulnerable and being
real always will will lend itself to to rewards and connection at that human level.
It's always worth it one hundred percent. You mentioned one of your emails
as well, somatics, and we've had a few people talk kind of about
cimetics and what it means. Well, what you mentioned, are you talking
about maybe how the vibrations and sound waves are used against us or were you
looking at it from a different angle. Oh, well, I definitely believe
that that energy and that technology can be used is a controlling mechanism, you
know, by buying the military or the powers that be. But you know,
I heard somebody, uh, I wish I could attribute this. Some
of the made a remark once that when Jesus spent the five thousand, if
you think about the sheer amount of physical energy. I'm not very smart about
energy, but like watts or chilla jewels or whatever it is, like the
sheer amount of energy to do that was like astonishing, and it kind of
shook me in a way, like I think that when you grow up hearing
the Bible, they almost become like the Bible stories instead of the reality of
our world, like it it's truth. And that led me to start to
think about, you know, there's other amazing miracles like the water being turned
into wine. That's time and place, I mean, and again like just
the energy like kind of astonishing. And I had these thoughts in my mind
and came across the video that shows simatics and how sound you know, like
people put sand on a speaker or something and they can make different shapes and
and they can use different media where you can even see three dimensional shapes and
you start to notice how they look so similar to shapes that we see in
nature, and it just knocked my socks off, like, without without kind
of prompting from the particular video that I was watching, I just knew,
like you know, in the beginning, God created right like it was his
voice. Like that makes total sense to me, you know, like seeing
it just even on that small scale like somebody that's messy, like you know,
craft room or garage and they're just doing this simatic experience experiment. But
even at that skill, it's like, wow, there's really something here,
like like we are far more special and elegant and so definitely created, like
like it just like just lent itself to so much clarity there. I also
I also I'm sorry, go ahead, no, no, no, you're
good. I was just going to say what a great point that was,
and for people who don't think that they have this technology. I'm going to
put in the show notes something we had in the military we used in Iraq,
not me. I didn't use it, but we are. Unit was
signed for it. And it's something called an l RAD long rage audio device
or something like that. And they could turn it on and just through the
sounds the frequencies, it would chase people away like it's it's legit, it's
not a joke. And that's just the technology that we have. Imagine the
stuff that we don't know about. And I also think a lot of things
that they put on the market and they put in our hands also numb our
senses that maybe that was not inhibited, maybe even just a few hundred years
ago. Oh absolutely. And actually I picked up this book called The Invisible
Rainbow. It's a book about the history of electricity and the impacts on humans
on our health. And for hundreds of years, hundreds of years, as
soon as they could produce and control electricity, they were studying what happened if
they just put a little volta of something something on a person in different points
on their body, their tongue, their ear, their eye is different things.
It's incredibly well understood the impact of electricity on human physiology. I would
encourage anybody who even has a passing interest. It's a super readable book.
And even if all you get into is like the first hundred pages, like
just it's fascinating and illuminating and a little bit sobering what we have surrounded ourselves,
within our houses and our towns, everywhere all around us this force and
it can be so good, like I loved having a light switch in my
house, but definitely get a trade off, a huge treade off. And
I think that they maybe have gotten it so comfortable that we are. That's
one of the weapons that they used against us, because if you've really take
the time and sit down and look how our country have been pillaged over the
last certainly one and twenty years, and as many times as our freedoms have
been infringed on, a lot of this stuff wouldn't have flown back in that
time. But our lives are so comfortable now. I think people just aren't
willing to again. Like you said, going back to Portland in Saint Louis,
people had to be obviously, if you're going to do it, you're
going to do it for money. It's not a very natural, organic type
of thing. Many of the people we saw this weekend in brown khakis and
masks were obviously probably Feds. It's too you know, to set a narrative.
So again, like you said, it is it is a trade off.
Like you know, we have our temperature set at sixty eight degrees,
so the house is always that temperature plus or minus one degree. We don't
have to build fires. But I think a lot of people if a major
event does happen between now or say twenty thirty, there's a lot of people
who maybe have never had to endure any real type of difficulties, just simple
things like having to start a fire, cook your own food, things like
that that are really going to struggle. And I don't mean to be a
fearmonger. I want people to live their lives, but at the same time,
you know, having to take away the base, sick human elements of
what we do here, right, like what people did to survive for thousands
of years has been lost. Yeah, yes, and I think about that
too, Like I think you had a guest on not too long ago who
made the remark that freedom isn't easy, And I think we have to be
willing to be uncomfortable. I think we have to be willing to be mentally
uncomfortable and physically uncomfortable to to to really even be, you know, candidates
for living in in the true sense of freedom. Right like if if again,
if we're going to defer into flex the truth, because if I see
something, I might get fired, see something about this mask, I might
get fired, and then my house is no longer going to be sixty eight
degrees. Yeah, that's that's hard, that's hard to weigh. But but
freedom just isn't easy. Now, it's not that means actually being responsible for
education for all the people who do wrong in your community. It's the burden
on you to take care of them, not just to send them off to
an institution and they're forgotten about. It's a long line of things that speaking
of, Like I'm taking the ear plugs out of your ear and thinking,
just sit back and think what it really means for me, would be giving
up my pension right and no social security. I mean true freedom, having
to provide your own food, your heat. But in the same sense,
what you get back is community. I guarantee you within a week you'll know
everybody's name on the street. I guarantee it. You got sugar, Yeah,
yes you have. You have flower Let's bart brother, right, that's
what happened. Yeah, yeah, for sure. You know, for there
was a short period of time where we had to use on launder behal we
are are always being worked on. And I made so many acquaintances just by
being the person there who was not plugged into a phone, Like if you
just look like you're alert and available for conversation, had the best interactions,
you know, people just volunteering things about themselves, questions they had on their
mind, stuff that was frustrating them, Like like just phenomenal. But we
have to get out of our little bubbles and be out there. And I
would not characterize having to use a laundromat as being uncomfortable or terribly inconvenienced,
but it is when you compare it to just running down to the basement and
starting a little wa wash. But you know, it's good, it is,
and it brings back that human connection because so many of us, even
post COVID, you know, have like here in Delaware, normally they would
send them the children to school two hours later or whatever. They just said,
Ah, we're going to I forget what they call it, a remote
day, So the children they had two days of remote learning from school.
And then's this Sunday, which was three days after the snowstorm. And again,
folks, I know sometimes I come off like sounding like I beat up
the church and stuff. Please I don't, but all of the churches around
us they all used the same quote. It was out of an abundance of
caution. And it was three days after the snowstorm, and I had copheaded.
I'm sure it made them angry, but I put that Satan does he
you know, he never takes a day off for inclement weather, So to
make sure you pray every day. And that's that's just a fact. And
honestly, I was going to go to a Trinity Methodist church, which is
about, I don't know, ten minutes away from me, but I didn't
have the opportunity because it closed and he ended up just doing like a ten
minute video online. And it's just like, you know, man, this
is more of a time than ever that we need leaders in those posies.
I mean leaders. I mean obviously you want them doctrinally sound, but man,
be leader, lead from the front. Yeah, you know, let
me tell you about out a church that did a phenomenal job standing up to
the tyranny. This is Grace Community Church in California, where John MacArthur is
the the primary preacher. This was in California and they went toe to toe
with the governor there and prevailed. And he has a really great blog post
that explains their position. That's just phenomenal. And they've made a documentary about
it, which I have not watched, but really just just phenomenal on how
they did that. I realized I didn't tell you about Kem Trails. So
let me tell you when I realized about Kem Trails, because I don't think
I've heard anybody on your podcast mention this. I was really rolling around the
cosmology in my mind and I'm like, not sure it matters, and I'm
still kind of like if I really think this is real, itit's kind of
weird, like like I was kind of looking for something compelling, like like
let me observe this in my own way. And I live in the Midwest.
I have actually been around Lake Michigan and able to live across and see
in the Chicago skyline, and so I guess maybe I was kind of like
looking for something a little bit more, and you know, of course they
spray. This guy's like nobody's business. And every once in a while you
catch a plane that's coming right at you or is going directly away from you
your point of view, towards the horizon. And when they're doing that,
they look like they're going straight up into the sky or straight down, just
like the sun right and we know, like in the biblical cosmology, the
sun is not going up, it's going around. And I know that plane
is not flying infinitely up it up, up, up into the sky indefinitely,
that that's an illusion. That's the way I'm perceiving it because of how
it's coming straight over me from my perspective. And that was like I looked
at chemtrails a lot, like we were doing a bunch of road trips at
the time in the car, a bunch, and there was a point where
it's like, that's what's happening, that's it. It's really flat, that's
that's how it is. And then and then I was I was okay to
go, so I'd share that because again I haven't heard anybody notice that about
the chemtrails, and they don't all appear that way. It's just like when
you have that particular perspective that is interesting. And have you noticed specifically most
are I'm sorry, I would say it started maybe the week before Christmas.
Have you noticed, say, the last six weeks in your area and uptick
of these chemtrails. Oh, it's outrageous. We we we've just kind of
done a couple of the moves. We relocated and rented for a little while
and moved again. And so that first move we kind of always saw them
spring like that location, it seemed like it was they were laying it down
pretty consistently. And then we moved and I was enjoying just like beautiful like
pretty clear skies and good natural clouds, and then like you said in December,
like just laying it down so thick, Like you go out and count
like more than twenty trails in the sky at a time, and more train
and more planes, you know, crossing through the sky at the same time.
Yeah, we dealt with the same thing. And shortly after Christmas is
when a lot of people started getting this cough and cold likes. It wasn't
a flu, certainly, but a lot of cough and cold and it's just
pure evil. And by the way, before I forget, because I will
forget, what was the name of that church in California that you had mentioned
that stood up to go Yeah, great. I think it's called Grace Community
Church. That the website is It's Grace to You g t y dot org.
And there's really there's great resources there to listen to sermons or read sermons
or or other things too. Oh, I found it g t y dot
com. John MacArthur the guy's name, Yes, found it. Thank you,
And you know, I want to mention the church in Mia. It's
an hour north from here, by fair Wind's Baptist Church. Their pastor is
a young pastor at mid thirties, does a tremendous job, never closes,
stood up to They have a private school. It's church in private school as
well, and they stood up to COVID against our governor and even in his
latest I watch them online. It's about an hour drive north. It's not
horrible, but when my wife works, I can't make it. But he
spoke about Pharmakia and I've never heard a local minister talk about Pharma Kia,
and I was just there are people you just got in some cases you got
to work really hard, but there are good folks out there. What was
the other question I wanted to ask you MutS. You had mentioned mutt slides
in Mount Saint Helens. Yeah, so kind of at the same time frame
that I was coming across these videos, like I saw that video about cimatics,
and I felt like that just gave me like this new perspective on energy
and sound and form and and it's like this scroll your phone and you come
across the strangest things. But saw a video of like a high ravine collapsing
after heavy after heavy rain, and just seeing the power of the earth and
moving like that and that erosion, and again just realizing like the magnitude of
this place where we live, like what it is, but also appreciating that,
you know, things don't erode uniformly, like you if you drive around
out west, like you're by the Grand Canyon or something, and like you
know that like a mudslide looks like this certain way, like you see it,
you know, personally or in a video, and then there's miles and
miles and miles of this canyon and it also winds up perfectly from one side
to the next. There's no, there's no like the windward side, you
know, got a hard storm and torn up and looks, you know,
significantly different, or it's still got all that unif kind of uniform appearance,
and it just doesn't seem to stand up to like the millions of years timeline.
And I thought awestruck was just the amount of power in that that collapsing
riverbank, you know, that pretty large mudslide, and and then I it's
funny how you come across things in the right sequence. There's a presenter on
the Answers in Genesis website called Kurt Wise. He's pretty cool, like he's
enjoyable. He just really loves what he does, and he's really enjoyable to
listen to. And he shared how after Mount Seeing Helen's erupted and you know,
the entire mountain side was remodeled from from that in the fat of the
ash and everything, and a couple of years later, a snow melt broke
kind of through an ice dam or through some of that geology they had been
laid down, and in less than a day they had a massive canyon that
looked smaller scale obviously, but looked just like the Grand Canyon. I needed
a job of presenting that and talking about that timeline and what happened in Mount
Saint Helens and how that you know, we can look at that is a
way and then scale it up to these other great features like the Grand Canyon
or you know, or other geology that could very reasonably have been laid down
in the flood or in you know, events following the flood. Is the
water and the earth all kind of rebalanced and recalibrated. That is interesting,
And again there's so many questions we have, and it goes back to,
you know, so much of our history is lies, going all the way
back to I believe the Pyramids. So much our history has been distorted ahead
it's so hard to to seek the truth. Luckily, like you know,
we mentioned, we have the Bible that is the one doctrine we can always
go back to and it never fools us. But there's so much you know
that was it called the Devil's Hill or something that looks like a few of
our listeners had mentioned a giant tree that was cut down so many Devil's Tower,
thank you, thank you, yeah, yeah, yeah. And there's
other places too. There's a couple of people who do really neat work looking
at lighter and old structures and things. There's a guy in the UK,
Pulk, who does really phenomenal work, not so much looking at you know,
things that may have been look as though they could have been trees,
you know, in another time, but just exposing insights into some of the
structures and the geography that we see around. He's a pretty fascinating guy.
I wish that he was not such a long form presenter, or that he
would break up some of those long form presentations into some of the really good
nuggets. Good nugs as he calls them. It is in is a UK
accent, because he just like, here's an example in Malta. There must
have been a PBS documentary. I knew about this, the cart ruts in
Malta. There on the island, there's these channels and treks and they sort
of look like what the electric rail car trails in San Francisco late look like.
Like they're parallel, and they crisscross and they go here and there and
everywhere. And people always said they were cart ruts. And I don't know
you've ever had to pull a wagon or push a cart, but if I
had to push a cart and terrain it had all those ruds, I wouldn't
be able to go anywhere. No, right, Like it's so deeply redded
and they cross so much like it would be worse terrain to try to use
that than to just go find like some level ground. Uh. Paul does
some analysis. He has a background in I don't know if it's plumbing or
electric, but he thinks that it might have actually been like very old utility
channels. Really, our utility lines were whether the transportation of water or energy
to to the society that was there a long time ago. That's interesting.
Well you're it broke up a little bit when you said his last name Paul.
What was his last name? Uh Cook? Like see oh okay,
yes, yes, yeah, uh wrong, keyboard Okay, there he is
he was, Yeah, and they actually asked him to leave Malta really because
the work that he was doing there and kind of exploring and investigating and doing
different things so interesting. But it's encouraging. There's people out there who,
you know, I have a particular skill or just an eye to see things
in a particular way, and you know, like he doesn't by any measure,
have like some complete alternate story, you know, that could be like
the definitive alternative truth, but he sees compelling evidence that things are definitely different
from how the mainstream history historical narrative conveys it. Yeah, just just perusing
really briefly, it looks like he actually has a lot of videos that he
says that are actually some pre flood civilizations. And yeah, there are long
videos two and a half three hours long. Yeah, Yeah, that's interesting.
I wanted to share one other, one other thing with you, sure,
like I think that, you know, a part of again, my
own journey or process was, you know, having those opportunities to see these
a little bit differently in the environment around, but also learning some of them
some kind of i don't know, book knowledge or books that I came across.
Again at church in our adult class has some really respectable teachers, you
know, trying to convey to the congregation like these are the characteristics of living
in a post truth, post God kind of world, right, and shared
really great stuff from news magazines and articles and books and things like that.
But I was always so frustrated in those classes because I'm not the kind of
person who can stand by and run down a bullet point list of how like
this is how we can tell things are broken. If something's broken, then
there's a call to action, right to either like not let it break further,
or to try and fix it. And a couple of times two different
teachers in this class forum mentioned a book called Slouching Towards Gomorra. It's a
book that was written by Robert Bork, who was the first Supreme Court nominee
to have his nomination rejected. He did not become a Supreme Court justice.
And this book, Slouching Towards Gomora, was published in nineteen ninety five,
so it's the year that my husband and I got married. And he does
this great job of kind of in the introduction of the first couple chapters of
the book, he explains kind of what's going on in society, that we're
headed to this post reason, post truth, post god kind of world,
and then each subsequent chapter kind of peels that back in regards to a particular
arena of life, whether it's in racial sentiments or relations, feminism, education,
kind of the whole gamut of things. And I thought, well,
I'm just going to have to read this book if I'm not getting a good
call to action from my teachers. But this seems like a pretty smart book.
So I'm going to read it, and I did. I read every
word and I realized that people who love reason, love justice, love America,
and love God could see in really with great clarity, where our society
was headed right at the same time that I was leading, you know,
young adulthood into married life. And I thought, well, if that was
seen so clearly, why why haven't we been talking about it NonStop? Like
why did we like put this all on hold in wait thirty years and now
we're and now we're like looking behind ourselves, you know, remarking on like
what a mess everything is. But what it did is it it gave credibility
to conspiracy theories because on the flip side, I had also come across a
website that lists this kind of genealogy sort of relationship chronology, you know,
the roths, childs and the chases and kind of that, the whole nine
yards of that, and with kind of nauseating to read that and realize that
there's definite relationships, there's definite connections, like like, it's not just a
conspiracy and that having read that book, slouching towards the more at you know,
from somebody who doesn't mention the roth childs, the chases, global bankers
anything once but still tells us exactly what's happening, makes you realize it's really
happening. And I think that made it easier for me to again, like
just look at things a little bit more honestly without feeling like I had to
apologize for being a conspiracy. Theorist was like, hey, the respectable judge
Bork can like lay it down thirty years before it even happens. There's really
something to it. Yeah, And he nailed it across the board between opening
the can of worms. Slowly with the sexualization of the media, of the
TV and of the movies, you could see again, go back and watch
TV up until about the mid sixties. You can start to see the change
a little bit at a time. Even in the fifties, when he saw
mom and Dad's bedroom, they had separate beds. That's how you know,
normal that they kept it. But he saw it. He called that out.
He called out affirmative action, abortion, euthanasia, the decline of religion,
and how yeah, all of it with like said, which you know
something I've never even thought about without even calling out the names that we do
on the conspiracy side, it's those darn Rockefellers and Rothchilds and the Orsines and
the on and on and on, when when really, at the end of
the day, it's it's just evil and it's a satanic really, instead of
naming people's names and listen, there's uh, we we can get to a
chat another time about our presidents, but uh, every single president there's been
a decline in morals and our debt has doubled, like almost every single president.
So but how he points out so poignantly the the decline of our culture
and moreover, like we've been talking about for much of this podcast, how
I don't like to use the word religion so much, but for words lack
thereof religion, how we've become like if you know, they have diet coke,
almost like a diet Christian, right, I call them Sunday Christians,
right, people who go to church for Sunday for an hour and then they
go back to the worldly ways. And listen, we're all centers. I'm
not standing up here. I'm holier than now. I'm guilty too. I'm
talking across the board it's a good book. Everybody should read it. It
came out in it came out during Clinton's tenure maybe mid nineties, Does that
sound right, Yeah, ninety five. So, and I think he's still
alive. It'd be cool to have him on a podcast sometimes. But I
know he's older. I think he's still alone. I might be, I
don't know, but he is. It's interesting that you pinged on his comments
about media and the sexualization of television and movies. You can they can't really
bring this up into their conversation, but I wondered this to my husband.
I feel like Hime was It was a lot of things, but I feel
like there was probably a conscious initiative there to talk about homosexuality and just to
bring it up as a subject. I think, you know, people are
or are not homosexual, Like it's not even it wasn't even it's not even
about the goodness or not of it. But CNN's on twenty four hours,
you got all the news media's and all of a sudden, like the country
is losing its innocence. Yeah, I know, my grandmother had probably not
spent one brain cell on that, you know, until it had come up
on the news. That's right and right, and then across all people in
all ages, and then again with Monica Lewinsky talking about the presidents and the
media, right, it's like there's certainly some political positioning there and some other
objectives that were probably being positioned, but also just talking about these shouldn't be
on news, like again like my grandmother, me, like my children.
Never it's been a brain stell thinking about that, and all of a sudden,
you can't turn around and not see it and hear it, and you
can't and even like, well, if we put up something as simple as
leave it to Beaver on roqu they'll get that wholesome, you know, TV
experience. And then when you get the commercial from roqu it's it's it's I
mean, I could go, but I'm sure a lot of people know what
I'm talking about already. Yeah, just there's no escape. So we've gotten
to the point where we're just buying DVDs now because you can't even watch something
without having that dropped in. On the commercials, it's just they, oh,
it's crazy. I could talk to you for an hour about the commercials.
It's like it's like it's and it's like, why does that commercial even
have to be that way, like there are so many other things about that
product that you could show us or tell us, like like why why is
it between being presented in this light? So yeah, I'm with you there
and again, mister Borck would he probably just sits back in his office and
laughs when he watches the news or sees these commercials. He called it like
you said, I guess at this point, geez, it's closer to forty
years. Next year be forty years. Oh no, ninety thirty my math,
Sorry, guys, thirty years. We're closing up on time. We're
coming up on an hour thirty. But I still want to give you time.
If there's any bullet points or something that we haven't had a chance to
mention, please do take the time to bring that up. Well, let
me tell you my silver bullets, because oh yeah, please do, please
do. I wanted to be ready for that. I think, first of
all, just scripture, and like I said, for me, it was
definitely scriptures about our cosmology, but also just scriptures about the way that God
moves in our cosmology and the promise of his kingdom that's coming. We talked
about the chemtrails, the time zones and like how we should be gaining like
mad efficiencies on at least one direction of our flights if the Earth is spinning
the spinning ball like like you know, like we've talked about it a lot
of times with other guests, that a spinning ball, Like how does water
cling to it? Or even gas? Like like how can we not get
any travel gains flying through the atmosphere if the Earth is spinning? And then
and then how does the gas like staying in our atmosphere like how does it?
How does it not just vapor rise into outer space? But like if
we have global warming, if it's real, like if we're really worried about
methane and CO two, like couldn't we just burp the atmosphe fear like like
why are we doing all these I don't know, it just doesn't make sense.
It's ridiculous, especially when we're next to a vacuum like they claim we
are exactly And then something that I haven't like spend like good mental time on.
But there's like in photography or studio lighting, there's this rule, the
inverse square law that like each time you move a light source further from its
subject, the fall off of light is double right, So I'm doing a
bad job of explaining it. But the Google is there, look it up.
But so for the time to be so far away and just still be
so bright and directional doesn't doesn't make sense. That's that's all I can say.
I can't even verbalize like like better questions about it, but it just
doesn't mean sense. No, that's a big one too. And I you
know, Chris Bosong was on the other night and his Facebook page. I
actually dropped a picture where you can see the sun rays. You said direction,
and that's actually a very good use of describing it. That the way
the rays are coming through. If it was ninety three million miles away,
how were those sun rays coming in in such a small area in a particular
direction like that? It makes no sense. Yeah, yeah, and a
local sun makes perfect sense in that situation. Yes, yeah, it does.
And I mean there's more like you like you mentioned them so well,
like when you like, why is your experience like to some exposures, some
of the different when you change elevation or yeah, they just don't add up.
And one of them alone could be like one of those questions where you're
like, huh, you know, and then you just like like, don't
worry about it. You can scroll your follow it. When you land them
all up, it's like maybe I should stop scrolling my phone for a minute
and go investigate. Investigated for myself. And one of the simple ones is
testing the moonlight how it's actually colder in the moonlight than in the shadows.
That's something anybody can do in five minutes. And that should be one of
those questions that you know, things that make you say hm hmm, yeah,
for sure. I'm so glad you mentioned that because we live in a
place where we could we could really do that. I need to go buy
one of those thermometers and and and so we shun we can do that experiment
ourselves. I did. I did have a couple of closing pods. I
can I go ahead and share that with absolutely absolutely, I really do.
I believe deeply in our creation and then we were created and we're valued and
loved by God. We're told God so loved the whole world that he sent
us on Jesus Christ like we like, you know, you create something you
wanted to stay nice, You could a plant in the ground, you want
to nurture it, and cultivate it. And God loves us like that,
only so much better and so much richer. And he's patient. I think
sometimes when we sit here and we consider all the conspiracies in the injustice and
the uncertainty in the world, it seems like, well, come on,
God, like, like what are like? What's going on here? Like?
Can we can we get to the next thing? Sue. But in
second Peter three nine, it's written that the Lord is not slow about his
promise. That's actually a passage about the great day and in God returning.
The Lord is not slow about his promise is some consider slowness, but it's
patient towards you, not willing for any to perish, but for all to
come to reap penance. And I just think those are just beautiful words.
And I think that I know that the invitation is open to anybody who is
interested in hearing God call to them and to continue to call them. Maybe
you already have a relationship, but He's so patient, and he wants us
all, He wants us all to come to him. I also wanted to
just share that, like we talked about a second ago, freedom isn't easy
and it's not free and we gained our ultimate freedom through Jesus Christ. I
one hundred percent believe it. In Galatious, Chapter five, Paul rice,
it was for freedom that Christ that is free. Therefore stand for and do
not be subject again and to yoke of slavery. Paul's actually plainly referring to
people who knew exactly who Jesus was, and we're making a conscious decision to
deny him and to live in opposition to him. So you know, we
have access to freedom even in a world, even if we all end up
on digital currency. That underlying freedom is there for us, if we'll,
if we'll accepted. Later in that same chapter, I just thought this was
so fascinating, Paul writes about those people who are denying Christ. They zealously
seek you, not commendably, but they wish to shut you out, so
you will zealously seek them. And we're all being zealously sought, being zealously
sought by all the producers, all the marketers, all the media, all
the lies, by our school, buy the medical system, buying NASSA.
We're being zealously sought. And realize it's not it's they're not seeking us because
of who we are they're seeking us so that they can empower themselves. So
we just I just want to encourage you, if you're a believer, to
cling to your freedom in Christ, and if you're not to to investigate that
and to seek it out. I have I have two more little verses.
I want to read it. That's okay, George absolutely ahead. In Ecclesiastes
one eighteen, it's written in wisdom, there is much vexation, and whoever
increases knowledge increases pain. And I think I got to that point myself.
You know, when you read the conspiracies and you understand all the wreckage,
all the human wreckage in our history, it's can need you feeling pretty and
creed, and that's and that's acknowledged. I think that it's also it's not
written in those words, but I think it's an encouragement to be comfortable,
not always seeking more knowledge. I think there's I think there's an unwritten encouragement
to just be and to just rest. That that is powerful. Ecclesiastes uh
one eighteen, for in much wisdom is much grief, and he that increases
knowledge increases sorrow. And boy, that is so on point, because really,
well you know, I think I've said this before. When you start
to go down the rabbit holes, you think it's cool when you connect dots,
but then there comes the other level. For instance, when I had
the son of a firefighter from nine to eleven on that these rabbit hole there's
people who suffered during these things, and it's and more than that, obviously,
but wisdom does. It's heavy and it's powerful, and maybe that's the
reason why some people would rather just as they say, take the bluepill.
Yeah, yeah, for sure. And then the last word I wanted to
share. It's also from the Book of Ecclesiastes. The end of the matter
all that has been heard, fear God and keep his commandments, because this
is the end of the matter for all mankind. And again I think that
there's an encouragement there to kind of ride the way through life. We have
to navigate. This is the world we're in. But the end of the
matter for all on mankind is to fear God and keep his commandments. It's
really well said, and I couldn't think of a better way to wrap this
up. And I'll have these verses through Bible dot Com. I'll link them
in there for you to check out. The last one you just read.
You have the chapter and the verse, I sure do. It's Ecclesiastes twelve
thirteen. Thanks, got it? Yeah, really well done. I can't
thank you so much for your time and sharing your story. And there's so
much to think about, and I could sit here and single out so many
things that you said tonight, but the one thing on top I mean,
obviously you know, the spiritual and Jesus and everything else, which is forefront
the most important thing. In addition to that, just taking time to think
and spend some time to yourself without the constant input of you know, the
earbuds, because I think a lot of us do that. We're constantly we're
so in search of truth, we're constantly you know, listening and digesting and
reading. I think what you said is very important that you have to take
time, go set up a chair out in the garage, or take a
walk, sit down by the creek and just think and process all the information
that you've taken in and to make sense of it. So it's just you've
been a joy to have on here tonight, and I can't thank you enough
for your thoughts and your time. Thank you so much, George, this
has been really a delight to share. Thank you, You're quite welcome,
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