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without any further ADO, let's bring on

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our guests for today. It's Stephanie. Stephanie, how are you Hi?

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There, George, I'm great,
how are you? It's nice to be

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Yeah, it's good to meet you. Like I said before the podcast,

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we've been chatting, I think going
back since the mid September, and it's

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great to have you on and present
your journey to the Truth with the audience.

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So without any further ADO, please
do introduce yourself to the audience.

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All right, Well, I'll do
my best. I'm actually a little bit

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nervous here. I want to start
by seeing two things. I've been questioning

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the globe birth since I was about
five or six, and I can tell

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a story about my experience with that. And the other thing I want to

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say is that my journeys to the
flat Earth really followed two kind of trajectories.

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One where I feel that God just
kept calling me close to him into

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the truth that's in his word.
And also my own perception and knowledge about

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conspiracies and the state of the world
and realizing like just the whole gamut of

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falsehoods that were surrounded with every day. I feel like I was at a

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tensure maneuver where both of those things
kind of came in around me and kind

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of brought me to this focal point
where I'm so happy to be here.

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Why I think I have a better
understanding of the truth and a pathway to

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keep learning that. Yeah, and
for me, I think I had to

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understand all the lies of mankind and
how flawed or history books were for me

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to even accept looking into flat earth
when I realized, well, you know,

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all of this is a lie.
So maybe just maybe you know,

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spinning on a ball, maybe that's
a lie too. So I had to

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kind of go down different rabbit holes
in order for me to put down my

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guard to look into it. And
everybody else, well a lot of people,

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I shouldn't say everybody else, but
I went in. You know,

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let's either prove or to disprove it
once and for all. And in the

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forefront of my mind it was to
disprove it because of the psychological operations that

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they use on us. Right,
it's how silly. But when you you

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know, I've said this before,
when you look at Akham's Razor and how

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helio centrism works versus a flat earth
slash Biblical cosmology. One is just so

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much simpler of an explanation than the
other, and one is certainly meant to

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confuse, right, oh, right
on, right on, Yeah, the

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simplest answer. And again, like
I was already questioning what I was experiencing

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the world and what people were telling
me when I was very young, and

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I'm so happy that I have that
memory kind of is a benchmark. And

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I think I also have a story
I can till you hear in just a

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moment about early on realizing that me
were navigating in a world with two truths

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or you know, a different reality
from truth. Actually, I can tell

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you now that I kind of have
this outline of sort of my journey from

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like my young years through kind of
where I finally kind of came to flat

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Earth just in the last couple of
years. But when I was a youngster,

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my family, I grew up in
a Christian family, and so and

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my parents did a great job.
We had a devotional every morning. We

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actually chapter by chapter, read through
the entire Bible a couple of times in

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my growing up years, so exposed
to the Bible and those conversations, and

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we went to a little church and
my mom was my Sunday school teacher,

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and she taught it all like in
really great literal terms, like like all

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of it, like like the blood, the guts, like the promises,

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the glory, the hope, all
of it. So when I went to

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school and teachers started to tell me
about dinosaurs and how they were from millions

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of years ago and they evolved and
now they're extinct, and that already just

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didn't sit right with me. And
I went home and talked with my parents

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about that, and the answer was, well, yeah, you know,

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they like to teach that that's what
they think. That's what they think.

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So just like you know, plug
in learn what they want you to learn.

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You can tell them that you learned
and understand what they think, but

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you know the truth, which is
a really like, on one hand,

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that's a really nice, sort of
level headed, dispassionate, good mom answer,

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But on the other hand, what
a missed opportunity to you know,

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encourage me to think about what could
I see at school to suggest to my

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teacher then maybe there's a different way
or you know, just something to anchor

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that and be like a stronger representative
for truth instead of sort of just laying

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down and accepting like at the first
interval, you know, the first time

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you encounter this disparity between what you
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in the world, it's like,
just let it roll off your back,

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right, Like what if we all
just didn't let it roll off our back,

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Like not like be a jerk about
everything we disagree about, but just

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stand up for truth. Let me
ask you a question. Do you think

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how would you have said you were
at the time when that happened, when

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he went home and told him about
the dinosaurs and your parents said that's just

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what they believe. How old would
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sick, sick? Quiet? So
do you think And because I get a

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few people every now and then who
say that like they've been able to kind

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of see the world how it is
since they've been little, would you have

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been able to handle that if they
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but if they would have sat down
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the world is full of deceit or
history books, especially in the science side

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of things, is a lot of
lies in order to to you know,

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hide God from people. Is that
something you think you could have processed at

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that age. Oh, I think
it would have changed my debrain and it

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would have been amazing. Yeah,
because I felt the whole time that when

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I was growing up, I had
this weird feeling that I was on like

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the treiling margin of the like the
good times of like this, like this

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like this goodness that wasn't gonna last. Like you know, I had siblings.

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I was the oldest in my house, and so I would even hear

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and see what they were experiencing in
school, and it was just a little

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bit different. And I had kind
of this awareness already. And again we

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were at church all the time,
as you're already hearing those messages about you

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know, to not be of the
world too, you know, that were

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distinct, that were separate, that
were called to to stinctification and in God,

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and and that we're gonna be different. I think I think, I

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think I would have been a completely
different person. I think than I would

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have gone like far further just in
my ability to think and act like like

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now, I am so aware sometimes
of that I'm not as good at thinking

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and problem solving and like working through
things because I think It started when I

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was six, where it's like just
let it roll out your back, like

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just kind of smooth the high points
off of those different friction, those different

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times when you account of friction between
truth and reality all great points. And

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I know this is kind of out
of left field, but I really noticed

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something over the past few days.
I guess the longer you're quote unquote awake

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and see truth, that the more
you pick up the minute details in which

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they put into place to divide us, because I always talk about the divide

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and conquer scheme amongst us, but
also again to keep focus away. And

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something happened the other day that really
so you know, it's playoff football in

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the NFL now, and a guy
missed a field goal, and the next

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day all anybody was talking about was
how much they were mad about somebody who

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kicks a ball for a living,
and they were sending death threats to a

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guy who kicks a ball for a
living. But and I said to people,

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you know, these people were a
hundred times more angry about a football

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game than all the liberties that that
were taken away from them during COVID.

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And it really just goes to show
how misguided people are grown men, you

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know, who pay two hundred dollars
to seat crying because they're football team lost.

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And again I'm not trying to ridicule
anyone, and if you're passionate about

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it, so be it. But
my point is I really wish I would

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see the same emotions out of things
that truly matter in life and things that

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are going to make a difference in
your children and your grandchildren's lives as you

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do over a football game. Yeah, yes, oh absolutely. And that

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goes back to like what if we
just all like had an ethic of standing

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up for truth, you know,
like just like not telling the little white

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lie or not or asking the questions. Sometimes the truth is just a question.

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It's not to reject something or go
a different direction, but just to

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like uncover the whole story. You
know, you feeled at something's being obscured

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from you. I was I was
on a slight once and you know,

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like a whole bunch of strangers and
you know, people mostly mind their own

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business, but two men were there. One of them was reading the sports

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section and a man nearby kind of
tapped him on the elbow. And if

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they had a really engaged, energetic
conversation about what was happening in the sports

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ball world, like they they just
they really connected on it. They knew

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the people, they knew like the
factors that were going on with you know,

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which players were strong or were not, and like so much energy,

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and my heart just aches to to
be in a world and be around people

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where we can talk with that kind
of energy and passion and an intuition about

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the Kingdom of Heaven, about the
truth, about the truth full stop.

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That would just be beautiful because all
that sports, it's wonderful, it's entertaining,

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it's engaging, there's a personal connection, but it's kind of like nothing

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that's so sad. I agree.
And I used to be the part of

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the wei, right the Eagles were
my team, and that would be upset

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for days after Sunday, you know, they lost. I'd be upset till

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Wednesday, just allowing something, you
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Bowl seven years ago, whatever,
I didn't get a ring. So the

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whole I realized maybe the whole me
thing wasn't really you know, And again

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I think it's you know, sports
so important to play children, you know,

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playing it and exercise and everything else
is great. But I think,

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like you said, there is that
particular thing just seeing grown people just enraged,

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but at the same time having your
you know, closed churches and told

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you're not essential. There wasn't this
one tenth of the energy because of that,

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And that was just very I couldn't
believe what I was seeing on social

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media for two days, and I
mentioned that on my other podcast during an

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interview yesterday, just how we are
so unfocused on what truly matters in this

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world. And I will tell you
much of the reason is because we've never

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a lot of us, including some
church folk who run churches, are more

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worried about fitting in than standing by
the word. And I see that a

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lot, and not just the church. I'm talking regular people like you and

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I who may be in a situation
where an opportunity is afforded us to say

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something, but maybe because of the
room we're in, or maybe we're at

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work or some we back off and
we don't drop that nugget that we could

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have. So I agree with you. I think we should all and I'm

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I'm talking to myself in the mirror
here. We should be stronger in our

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convictions and maybe when those opportunities do
arise, don't be so you know,

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worried about what other people think about
our convictions and our beliefs. Yeah,

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yes, oh, I one hundred
percent agree. I also I also think

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that, you know, I just
wonder how much of the depression and like

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just the mental pain that people are
experiencing increasingly. I mean, you know,

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they talk about how so many people
are on antidepressants and you know,

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things like that. I mean that
goes back generations. There's people in our

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family who had, you know,
just really grievous grief or depression or other

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kind of mental illnesses that that beset
them. And as I have learned now

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more about our history and how are
even the United States and my lifetime and

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my parents or my in laws lifetime, I think a lot of our grief

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is us like battling it out internally, like below our consciousness of like we're

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seeing with our own eyes and ears
exactly what's going on, and somehow we're

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convincing ourselves that it's okay, like
just keep going, like just keep going

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and punching the time club buck,
like just you know, get the degree,

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buy the car, get the house, raise your kids, like check

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your boxes and those are the values
and the big milestones, and those are

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all super good, good things,
but they're sort of external, and they're

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the complete you know, neglect for
so many people of really nurturing your spirit

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and being honest with yourself and making
real decisions for yourself instead of just falling

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through that cascade of checkboxes in the
American lifestyle. I agree, and you

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know, once again, I love
the people of this country. But as

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my journey to has grown and I've
really understood the history of this country,

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we know the evil that runs at
the very top levels of the government.

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And again they use patriotism against us
to send us our sons and daughters off

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to die in these wars that really, most of them, we have no

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just justification being a part of And
again I don't want to turn this into

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a podcast that's not but at the
same time that there's either there's right and

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wrong, and if you know,
if we're on the wrong side of history,

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we should point it out and it
should be taught because if our children

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don't learn true history, they're going
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Nothing changes if we hold these things
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is you know, we keep the
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It actually makes things worse because,
like you said, it stresses us

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out. People go to the doctor
that prescribed drugs and they're numbed and they're

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right back into the comato state where
they're not thinking yeah, yes. And

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it's hard our brains, you know, we are creatures of habit. Our

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brain likes to think in patterns,
we like to act in like have our

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days in patterns. It's hard.
It's hard to break those patterns. And

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if you're in a really fulfilled,
rich life and you you know, really

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do have a good sense of honesty
an initiative in your life, it's very

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hard to change habits and patterns.
So, you know, if you've been

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anesthetized where you know, you work, you scroll your phone, you know,

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you pay your credit card bill,
do it all again, it's hard

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to get out of that pattern.
It's hard to even see that there might

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be something different, which which I
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people like, how like have you
brought anybody into an understanding of the flat

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earth or biblical cosmology? And I
think that would just be a wonderful accomplishment

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for people who have done that and
are able to do that. But I

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think when I reflect on my life, I got there because like just these

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different moments where somehow like I had
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so it took a long time for
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more fully open my eyes and see
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individual pans on their own. So
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maybe I'll never condense somebody of biblical
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validate when they ask me like,
hey, are you seeing this? Well,

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heck, yeah, I'm seeing it. That's exactly what's going on,

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right. That can be enough in
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adopt and see the truth in other
situations down the line when I may not

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be a part of the picture at
all. Agreed, I couldn't agree with

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you more. And there are people
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starting to understand the world is not
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portrayed on the TV. And again, I think it goes back to twenty

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twenty and the election and the Summer
of Love and people standing in front of

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a burning building saying it's mostly peaceful
protests because you're seeing what's going on,

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but the powers that be are telling
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I say, even the normalist of
normies are starting to see maybe there's something

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you know deeper to what's going on. And that's what I try any time

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I replied to an email or I
talk to someone locally. Right, it's

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not that I wear a tinfoil a
hat. And I believe in UFO because

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when people, you know, when
they hear about truthers, of course you're

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a conspiracy theorist, they picture someone
who has tenfoil a hat, and you

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know, just again what they portray
on TV, the crazy conspiracy conspiracy theorist

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guy. But if you when you're
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set them up with a bigger picture
and the why not just I believe this,

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you know, I believe that you
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to Kennedy. But if you lay
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like this podcast, the first episode
was why the Lie? And I think

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that's important to include anything when you
try to, you know, set something

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up for someone, you have to
explain the reasoning behind it, not just

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what you believe. Oh, I
agree. And you know, at one

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point my my husband and I were
having a conversation about some social or political

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matter and he shared a Tom Soell
quote. This says, you get more

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of what you pay for or more
of what you sumpsidize, which is really

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smart. And then I think,
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you see a particular situation, like
follow the money and look to see who

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benefits, that's such an easy way
with like everybody knows there's somebody who's calling

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the shots when it comes to the
finances or the balance sheet, whether it's

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corporate or political or whatever. That's
a really non threatening way to just be

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like who do you think is benety
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Do you really think here's the here's
one who really would like get up out

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of their house and go burn things
down if they weren't incentivized to go do

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that, Like do we all need
to go like to work and get money

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to put gas in our car and
make the mortgage payment? And you know,

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pick our kids up from school or
be in a family birthday party somewhere,

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like, how do we like spontaneously
get all these people and who are

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going to go in and do these
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no, one hundred percent. They're
incentivized. And there's many people who

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did podcast and YouTube videos on people
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where they were getting these prepaid debit
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they would be let out of jail
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keep an eye on the uh.
I forget the name of the county in

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Portland or the sheriff's office there.
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So all of this, none of
it was organic. And I've said this

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a million times. There's not much
in our society that is organic. Everything

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is planned. And listen, if
folks are looking for a fresh rabbit,

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hold to go down the Carlisle group, who was very much responsible for the

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Iraq War and who made millions off
of that, or very much behind the

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Taylor Swift and her boyfriend, the
football guy and all you know Taylor Swift

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in itself is you know, a
strong independent woman, no children and has

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a lot of sway amongst the youth
of our country. And then they have

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her connect with this guy who was
all about Pfizer paid this guy twenty million

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dollars to do a commercial, right, So everything there's a nefarious agenda with

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all of these things, and most
of it is Listen, if you can

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get the mind of the youth,
you're winning the battle. If you're allowing

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outside entities to mold the mind of
your children, weren't big try and that

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is happening with these type of things. Oh it is, you know,

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my children are grown, and so
I'm a little bit out of those circles.

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I was at church and heard one
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the big reward treat in her family
right now as some particular sports drink.

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like a commercial of a particular figure somebody

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like drinking or advocating for that product, like just just like that. And

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this boy, who was happy with
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really thought that it was just the
best thing ever to have this particular

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drink now like just instantaneous. I
am, I was, I had uh

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was following somebody on social media during
the con and she had a small though

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so a little bit of an influencer, not not super huge, which I

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think is actually significant here. But
she shared with her followers that she'd been

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approached by the Department of Public Health
at her state where she lived, asking

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her to, you know, just
work in some content and post to encourage

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people to mask up, to continue
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was after the shots were available or
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if they couldn't influence her to help
be a spokesperson without disclosure to her followers

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to urge them to conform to those
mandates, which I just am so appreciative

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of her passing that along and being
transparent about it, because that really helps

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you to again be resolved in the
truth that you see. You know,

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like it can be really wearing that
was years of that circus and you can

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get worn down and feel like maybe
I should just yield, maybe I need

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to do these things or see it
a different way, and those little pieces

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of information just it helped my husband
and I to stay confident in resisting a

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lot of that. So, yeah, that was bold of her to not

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only say no, but to actually
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a lot of people, like a
guy who I interviewed, I feel bad.

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I can't master Sergeant Jeremy Brown.
You know, the FBI showed up

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to his house a month before January
sixth, and he recorded them on the

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zoom audio or the not zoom the
ring and when he went forward, they

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came after him. So kudos to
her to exposing it, and hopefully she

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didn't really have to deal with any
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her to do that. Yeah,
yeah, yeah, I'm so appreciative of

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it. I also think he made
a comment about like how so many things

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around us aren't even real, like
like you were sharing like the riots or

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other things. But I mean that's
really been on my mind a lot to

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focus on, like what are the
the genuine, real human moments that I

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can be cultivating and cherishing in my
life because you know, I work remote

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online, so you know I'm in
a computer all the time and not out

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Like I love hearing about your homestead. We just moved in. We'll have

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a garden in a chicken or two, but not a homestead in the sense

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of in that sense of the word, but you know, cultivating like thinking

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an independent thought, like not just
consuming a podcast or a video, but

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reading or even like just being intentionally
kind of still, you know, going

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without having to talk or read or
even be planning anything, just to see

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you know, like like what am
I capable of thinking? You know,

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I think we're in a cycle where
we're just moving to the next thing.

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Or you have an idea like we're
going to build a little chicken coop,

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and you can think about a chicken
coop and in like half a second have

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your phone out looking up like where
to buy one or how to make one,

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or what are the best characteristics of
one? Like why not just sit

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down and like wonder about it a
little bit, you know, like I

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just think there's something beautiful about that. Or you know, we had neighbors

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and we actually moved into a great
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I feel about their chicken crew,
you know, but just to be genuine

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and real and to filter, you
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out of our lives as we shun. Yeah, that's such a great point

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because I used to anytime I try
to walk whenever I can, and I

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would always have earbuds in maybe music, maybe a podcast. But I've made

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it a point to nothing, just
walk and enjoy nature and to think and

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process things, because it's a great
point. If you don't give yourself time

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to process things that you've digested during
the day, whether it be videos or

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podcasts or radio or something like that, you need to take the time to

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think and digest and make your own
opinions and your own decisions. And that

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is such an important point that you
do need that solace away from the constant.

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You know, whenever you're listening to
something, your mind is taking it

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and processing it. It's important to
have your own quiet time to think about

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things and you know the things you
have heard. Does this make sense?

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Does this not make sense? Instead
of NonStop input, right, you have

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to process the input at some point, right. Absolutely. I also think

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that in my family, for myself
and with my husband, when I look

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back over the last ten years ago, I really see God and the Holy

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Spirit moving in our lives where we
were just increasingly convicted to look at particular

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things in our lives or even change
churches or you know, whatever it might

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have been. But you have to
you have to have that quietness or that

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moment to allow that conviction to really
move you. Otherwise it's just a fleeting

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thought, you know, like to
know what was I going to say?

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I forgot what I was going to
say, and it's gone right missed that.

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You missed that opportunity, And so
there's benefits to that that come you

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know from outside of you are an
opportunity to tap into something I think much

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greater than you. If you're if
you're able to do that, really well

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done. I did want to ask
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I believe you'd already mentioned that it
is something that you considered at a very

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young age. You questioned the fact
that we're on a spinning ball and as

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a youth you were, You're outside
experimenting, jumping into the air as high

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as you could and leaving lines to
see where you landed and things. And

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I did the same thing. I
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I would jump up land it the
same thing, right and all those things.

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But you put you and same with
me. You know, my teacher

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did the bucket spun it around,
said that's gravity. And I even called

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him out and said, well that's
gravity. Let's spind the bucket around and

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see if it holds the water.
But then, like everything else, it

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just goes awry. And it took
Geeze probably another forty years for me to

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really think about it again. How
was your journey from you know, from

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a young age and to when you
really readdressed it again? Well, I

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think that there were those moments where
you know, you learn from your parents

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or Sunday school or you know wherever
that that source of truth and richness is

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when you're very young. And I'm
happy to have remembered those times. I

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can still remember the rinky thing like
sham Art flip flops were like the little

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like toe thing is like the little
weird cheap connector like total redeating and like

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jumping up and really expecting to land
on the other side of that little like

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dividing light it's in your concrete sidewalk
or drivewaars thing. But just remembering like

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then it didn't seem right again,
like that moment where like you can stop

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and think it for a minute where
your brain can really retain it instead of

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just letting it roll off, roll
off your back. I do think I

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really betted it. Also from growing
up in a Christian home, so that

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you know, there were other experiences
just observing the world around me. I

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remember coming home one night and you
lived just far without in the country.

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I grew up in Wyoming, so
the skies are pretty dark, and one

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night getting out of my car and
looking up and like almost being like thrown

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back, like physically astonished by just
how velvety dark the sky was and how

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beautiful the stars, like just the
dimensional the differences in brightness and the number

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of them, and just thinking,
like I actually wrote a thing like for

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school about us, you know,
at a point later where it really seemed

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00:35:08.719 --> 00:35:13.199
like I could reach up like it
was close, like that I could reach

412
00:35:13.239 --> 00:35:19.079
out and feel that velbony sky,
or did have a plane flying overhead with

413
00:35:19.119 --> 00:35:22.440
somehow like interfere with the stars,
like hanging right where they were, Like

414
00:35:22.480 --> 00:35:29.159
it just seems so close. So
I had kind of experiences like that and

415
00:35:29.199 --> 00:35:37.440
then and then didn't really think too
much war from like a physical like earth

416
00:35:37.679 --> 00:35:44.519
perspective until I started to travel for
work and I would fly. I mean,

417
00:35:44.760 --> 00:35:47.320
now I live in the Central time
Zone and I would fly to the

418
00:35:47.360 --> 00:35:52.000
Eastern time zone, and it was
sort of like the same thing where I

419
00:35:52.159 --> 00:35:55.280
was a kid in those kmart flip
flops, because I would get on this

420
00:35:55.400 --> 00:36:00.880
plane and I'd fly and it was
awesome. Like the flights and the timing

421
00:36:00.920 --> 00:36:05.760
were so good for traveling for work, right because you leave at one time

422
00:36:05.840 --> 00:36:08.639
and you get in it's still kind
of perfect to get in and go to

423
00:36:08.719 --> 00:36:13.199
work and then coming home again,
like perfect timing, like you're kind of

424
00:36:13.280 --> 00:36:15.039
leading to the end of your work
day, but you gain that hour coming

425
00:36:15.119 --> 00:36:21.719
back to the Central time zone.
But it's like complicated. You're looking at

426
00:36:21.760 --> 00:36:25.360
your ticket and it's not really evident, like your flight duration is it the

427
00:36:25.400 --> 00:36:30.360
same? Is it not the same? And then there's like the jet stream,

428
00:36:30.480 --> 00:36:32.400
like shouldn't I be going like way
way faster in one direction or the

429
00:36:32.440 --> 00:36:37.519
other, or like like shouldn't if
the Earth is rotating it be like a

430
00:36:37.519 --> 00:36:42.559
little bit shorter, Like but I'd
be preoccupied with work and like whatever.

431
00:36:42.719 --> 00:36:46.320
But I would have this like little
thought that I wouldn't like work out entirely

432
00:36:46.960 --> 00:36:51.519
every time I got in the plane
and flew out, So that kind of

433
00:36:51.559 --> 00:36:54.840
brought it. That kind of brought
it back into my mind where I think

434
00:36:54.880 --> 00:37:00.079
it set me up to be receptive
for a couple of other things that I

435
00:37:00.199 --> 00:37:04.159
saw on TV or encountered after that. But yeah, kind of funny.

436
00:37:04.199 --> 00:37:07.639
I never even realized it was kind
of the same as like being a kid

437
00:37:07.719 --> 00:37:12.800
jumping over a green. Yeah.
That's a great point too that I don't

438
00:37:12.840 --> 00:37:15.840
even know if we've ever mentioned it. That you know, the Earth,

439
00:37:15.519 --> 00:37:21.559
according to the science moves counterclockwise at
one thousand and forty miles per hour.

440
00:37:21.760 --> 00:37:28.119
So when we're flying from Philly to
Chicago, I should get there really quick

441
00:37:28.840 --> 00:37:31.360
because I'm going west to east and
the world's been in east. But here

442
00:37:31.400 --> 00:37:35.159
come the emails, Will chors.
You don't understand because the plane is still

443
00:37:35.280 --> 00:37:38.480
in the grasp of great You know, it's just nonsense. And it goes

444
00:37:38.519 --> 00:37:44.679
back to what you said at the
beginning of the podcast. We see things,

445
00:37:44.960 --> 00:37:49.199
but our brain is so easily manipulated
by those who want to manipulate us

446
00:37:49.199 --> 00:37:52.639
that you know, I'm holding this
pen in my hand, and you know

447
00:37:52.000 --> 00:37:55.840
I can see that the pen is
white. But you know, Neil de

448
00:37:55.880 --> 00:38:00.440
grass Tyson has telling me no,
George, because of the refraction and the

449
00:38:00.440 --> 00:38:02.679
way you're holding it. It's actually
a light blue. Okay, Neil,

450
00:38:02.679 --> 00:38:06.159
You're right, it's light blue.
I mean that's really where we're at with

451
00:38:06.159 --> 00:38:14.039
helio centrism. Yeah, yeah,
for sure. And I also think that

452
00:38:14.079 --> 00:38:22.400
there's like a certain amount of like, like our culture right now really seems

453
00:38:22.480 --> 00:38:36.480
to like not value like considered thoughts
or reflection or thinking. It's like we're

454
00:38:36.519 --> 00:38:45.480
a real kind of we seem really
wired for fun, for fun, and

455
00:38:46.320 --> 00:38:52.280
like I don't have the etymology for
the word fun right in front of me,

456
00:38:52.039 --> 00:38:59.159
but I feel like that word originally
was a little bit derogatory. I

457
00:38:59.199 --> 00:39:02.440
can tell you that word nice,
which again, like we're all urged to

458
00:39:02.480 --> 00:39:07.079
be nice, right, Like,
that wasn't nice. It's not nice to

459
00:39:07.119 --> 00:39:08.880
speak up and tell somebody that you
don't think that you should have to wear

460
00:39:08.920 --> 00:39:13.960
a mask. It's not nice to, you know whatever, stand up for

461
00:39:14.039 --> 00:39:20.559
truth. The word nice is actually
the etymology of that is like vacuous and

462
00:39:20.599 --> 00:39:28.440
empty headed. So like, I
feel like the whole value system of our

463
00:39:28.480 --> 00:39:34.360
society right now is kind of like
nice and fun, which like is fundamentally

464
00:39:36.039 --> 00:39:42.199
kind of empty. That's great,
excuse me, So I looked them up.

465
00:39:42.360 --> 00:39:46.280
While you're talking the etymology of fun
Originally, its origin was from the

466
00:39:46.760 --> 00:39:52.039
sixteen hundreds and it was to make
a full love or to be a fool.

467
00:39:52.760 --> 00:39:55.360
And then as it kind of evolved
in the seventeen hundreds, it was

468
00:39:55.400 --> 00:40:00.760
to cheat or hoax and that was
late seventeenth centuries. And then here we

469
00:40:00.800 --> 00:40:07.599
are, let's have fun, right
And then you said nice, this goes

470
00:40:07.679 --> 00:40:09.000
back. It doesn't say how far
it goes back. Maybe it does not

471
00:40:09.119 --> 00:40:15.920
missing it, but it means to
not know or to be ignorant. Yeah.

472
00:40:15.400 --> 00:40:19.800
Yeah, so me, maybe I
don't want to be nice or fun.

473
00:40:20.719 --> 00:40:24.599
Yeah, there you go. Folks
that'll that'll learn, that'll that'll that'll

474
00:40:24.639 --> 00:40:29.920
shrink your circle of friends pretty fast. Yeah, And what does it mean

475
00:40:29.960 --> 00:40:34.360
to be nice? Like we can
be kind to others? What does it

476
00:40:34.400 --> 00:40:37.039
mean to be nice? Though?
That does being nice mean that maybe we

477
00:40:37.079 --> 00:40:42.199
shouldn't say things, Maybe we shouldn't
speak truth because it'll break somebody's little uh

478
00:40:42.440 --> 00:40:50.519
biosphere of belief? Yeah yeah,
well I mean I felt this. You

479
00:40:50.559 --> 00:40:52.960
know when you raise up your kids, like you know, you have those

480
00:40:53.599 --> 00:40:58.519
those chores Saturdays, like whether it's
like the big weekend to go get the

481
00:40:58.599 --> 00:41:02.159
leaves out of the yard or or
maybe to do you know, deep cleaning,

482
00:41:02.199 --> 00:41:07.199
spring cleaning or something, and and
man, our children would just act

483
00:41:07.280 --> 00:41:14.239
sometimes like we were physically killing them. And I and I realized that my

484
00:41:14.400 --> 00:41:20.000
husband and I needed to do work
to show the value of just getting out

485
00:41:20.039 --> 00:41:25.480
there and like taking care of our
home and our things, and you know,

486
00:41:25.559 --> 00:41:29.880
framing it is a love act,
you know, for each other.

487
00:41:30.320 --> 00:41:34.239
You know, this is what makes
our home comfortable and safe and in all

488
00:41:34.280 --> 00:41:37.760
of those things. Because like the
children really felt like, well, we're

489
00:41:37.760 --> 00:41:44.079
not having fun here, so something
something's terribly wrong, right, And and

490
00:41:44.119 --> 00:41:52.320
that's that's just an opportunity to help
like teach about better values right to speakings

491
00:41:52.320 --> 00:41:59.320
a little bit differently. And I
think that I think that that's happening in

492
00:41:59.400 --> 00:42:05.440
an order of magnitude all around us. Like if we aren't nice, like

493
00:42:05.559 --> 00:42:09.840
if we don't bite our tongue and
not make a suggestion or an assertion,

494
00:42:12.679 --> 00:42:16.400
then we're interfering with somebody's fun.
And so the whole system has broken down,

495
00:42:17.920 --> 00:42:22.679
which is just so sad. Like
maybe like maybe think about why the

496
00:42:22.840 --> 00:42:29.280
comment made you so upset, and
think about if you should let it make

497
00:42:29.320 --> 00:42:32.840
you so upset. You don't even
have to agree, right, like like

498
00:42:34.280 --> 00:42:37.199
just like sit with that and let
it, let it make you a little

499
00:42:37.199 --> 00:42:39.760
bit uncomfortable for a minute, and
see what might happen to you. You

500
00:42:39.840 --> 00:42:45.119
might actually find out something really interesting
about yourself. Great point. And by

501
00:42:45.159 --> 00:42:52.679
being nice and the origin of the
word of being nice, it's probably why

502
00:42:52.719 --> 00:42:57.920
we're in the situation we are as
a society today. Yeah, yeah,

503
00:42:57.960 --> 00:43:05.320
for sure. So what were some
other things that I noticed? I'm just

504
00:43:05.480 --> 00:43:10.679
looking through my through my notes here. The flights were a big thing,

505
00:43:10.840 --> 00:43:15.960
but then there were these other I
think you had mentioned kem trails too,

506
00:43:16.079 --> 00:43:21.559
right, yeah, yeah, well
that came. That came, but that

507
00:43:21.679 --> 00:43:24.880
was something that I could observe kind
of in the physical like world around me.

508
00:43:25.519 --> 00:43:32.400
So after I had I want to
tell you kind of I came to

509
00:43:34.079 --> 00:43:44.800
considering our cosmology really through a Bible
study. I had somebody in our we

510
00:43:44.840 --> 00:43:52.159
have a small group home Bible study
that we go to and one week the

511
00:43:52.199 --> 00:43:55.920
devotional was about, well, why
did Jesus come to this earth? And

512
00:43:57.639 --> 00:43:59.760
I like to think I'm kind of
smart, So I had a lot of

513
00:43:59.800 --> 00:44:02.800
my is about like why Andy cooms
he can save the lives, you know,

514
00:44:02.960 --> 00:44:09.079
to to like sacrifice his life for
us for forgiveness of our sins,

515
00:44:09.800 --> 00:44:15.039
and he did. But those things, those are true things. But there's

516
00:44:15.079 --> 00:44:24.320
a verse in Luke chapter four that
it says, I have to preach the

517
00:44:24.440 --> 00:44:29.840
Kingdom. I have to preach the
gospel of the Kingdom. That's the reason

518
00:44:29.920 --> 00:44:37.119
I was sent. And I thought
the Kingdom, like, I don't know

519
00:44:37.159 --> 00:44:42.800
where you have gone to church.
I went to church like every time the

520
00:44:42.840 --> 00:44:45.920
doors were opened my whole young adult
life and quite a bit as an adult

521
00:44:45.920 --> 00:44:53.320
with my own family and with my
husband. I never really heard lessons or

522
00:44:53.360 --> 00:44:59.960
preaching about the Kingdom of Heaven.
Just the parables, but like the big,

523
00:45:00.039 --> 00:45:04.119
big picture about the Kingdom of Heaven. But you know, on that

524
00:45:04.199 --> 00:45:12.440
great day when Jesus returns, he's
going to resurface the face of the earth,

525
00:45:12.719 --> 00:45:16.800
and then the Kingdom is going to
come to earth and it's going to

526
00:45:16.800 --> 00:45:25.559
be here physically, physically present.
And I hit the Google and was like

527
00:45:25.719 --> 00:45:31.639
looking for like more studies and more
information and more context about the Kingdom.

528
00:45:32.320 --> 00:45:40.400
And I found a YouTube channel,
interestingly titled Kingdom in Context. This is

529
00:45:40.400 --> 00:45:47.960
a person who just really wants to
teach the scriptures contextually so that you know,

530
00:45:49.000 --> 00:45:52.800
we can use the Bible to interpret
itself and help us to find the

531
00:45:52.880 --> 00:46:00.880
truths. So really amazing lessons about
the Kingdom that Tamils been active for a

532
00:46:00.920 --> 00:46:07.920
while. In the very earliest presentations
he did low technology, still learning and

533
00:46:07.960 --> 00:46:14.159
getting comfortable in front of a camera
on YouTube. Just amazing teaching, really

534
00:46:14.199 --> 00:46:21.480
fantastic, And they have a couple
of partnerships, so you can't really talk

535
00:46:21.519 --> 00:46:27.559
about you know, that Great Day
and the Kingdom on Earth without talking about

536
00:46:27.559 --> 00:46:32.800
cosmology, so it kind of would
come up in the studies anyway. That

537
00:46:32.920 --> 00:46:37.199
channel has a partnership with another one, West Blaze Music, and they have

538
00:46:37.239 --> 00:46:45.159
a series called Uncommon Ground. They
found like two full series of all scripturally

539
00:46:45.280 --> 00:46:57.360
based videos about Biblical cosmology and debunking
NASA and sharing the results of studies and

540
00:46:57.519 --> 00:47:01.280
experiments and things that if people have
done. And Wes Blaze is amazing,

541
00:47:01.400 --> 00:47:07.320
like the level of production and the
graphics and the way he finds on that

542
00:47:07.440 --> 00:47:12.920
media and so the sizes it is
amazing. So kind of one thing led

543
00:47:12.920 --> 00:47:16.199
to another from this idea that was
mentioned in a Bible study and studying that

544
00:47:16.360 --> 00:47:23.480
further and realizing that Biblical cosmology was
one of the outcomes of that realization.

545
00:47:24.679 --> 00:47:28.920
That's great and by the way,
Luke four verse forty three says, but

546
00:47:29.000 --> 00:47:32.400
he said I must proclaim the good
news of the Kingdom of God to the

547
00:47:32.440 --> 00:47:39.000
other towns also because that is why
I was sent. That's Luke for forty

548
00:47:39.039 --> 00:47:44.199
three. And then I did find
the Kingdom of I'm sorry, Kingdom in

549
00:47:44.320 --> 00:47:49.000
contexts. They have almost a thousand
videos, which is mind blowing. And

550
00:47:49.079 --> 00:47:52.280
there's a Facebook link in there as
well if you're a facebooker, and I'll

551
00:47:52.280 --> 00:47:57.559
put that in the show notes.
He actually our friends Josh from the Founded

552
00:47:57.599 --> 00:48:01.480
Earth Brothers. He did something with
him recently and one of his more popular

553
00:48:01.559 --> 00:48:06.719
videos was the reaction from the flat
Earth debate, which I still get tons

554
00:48:06.760 --> 00:48:12.519
of emails on and I think you
messaged about it as well. Yeah,

555
00:48:12.679 --> 00:48:15.760
you know, I just I don't
even know what to think about that.

556
00:48:16.119 --> 00:48:22.880
I don't know, I don't know
where that came from. You know that

557
00:48:22.920 --> 00:48:25.960
almost that almost brings me back to
what we talked about a second ago,

558
00:48:27.079 --> 00:48:34.280
about like who was incentivized or who
benefited from that. Because I'll tell you

559
00:48:34.320 --> 00:48:44.440
this, I came across another really
fantastic preacher whose starmons are posted on the

560
00:48:44.480 --> 00:48:51.199
internet. I mean, straight talking
about the state of the world about you

561
00:48:51.239 --> 00:49:00.000
know, godly manhood, godly womanhood, fantastic preaching. But he will regularly

562
00:49:02.480 --> 00:49:08.000
in certain comments about like these are
the most important things, these topics that

563
00:49:08.039 --> 00:49:15.559
he's preaching on, and we don't
need to get tied it up into flat

564
00:49:15.639 --> 00:49:21.079
earth or a couple of other things, but he'll mention flat earth all the

565
00:49:21.119 --> 00:49:27.079
time. And he actually referenced that
debate. Oh the names of those two

566
00:49:27.119 --> 00:49:30.960
preachers, that's going to escape me
right now, but he'll reference that debate.

567
00:49:30.320 --> 00:49:36.360
Is like, why even fool with
this when it's obviously so divisive looking

568
00:49:36.400 --> 00:49:42.239
at this debate, which is just
heartbreaking, and I just I feel so

569
00:49:42.360 --> 00:49:47.400
sad that that's the banner for like
preachers being open and willing to talk about

570
00:49:47.400 --> 00:49:53.400
it and it being just such a
terrible, like reflection on humanity in general.

571
00:49:54.760 --> 00:49:58.440
I couldn't agree more. And that
was a d noodle who we had

572
00:49:58.480 --> 00:50:05.280
on episode eighty five maybe. And
then Astor greg Locke, who a lot

573
00:50:05.280 --> 00:50:08.800
of people grew to admire during COVID
because he was that guy who wouldn't close

574
00:50:08.880 --> 00:50:15.000
his doors. But you know,
he's had some interesting things happen. And

575
00:50:15.039 --> 00:50:17.480
again, you're right, I was
shocked. I'd spent four hours that night

576
00:50:17.559 --> 00:50:22.320
watching it and the way it all
dissolved and hearing a pastor say, you

577
00:50:22.320 --> 00:50:24.519
know, if you believe this,
don't come back to my church. It

578
00:50:24.639 --> 00:50:29.400
was super divisive, and I get
emails all the time, Hey, I'm

579
00:50:29.440 --> 00:50:31.559
a glober and I want to come
on and debate you. And I will

580
00:50:31.599 --> 00:50:36.760
say and I'll tell all the people, now, this is not a debate

581
00:50:36.840 --> 00:50:39.000
for him. That's not what this
podcast about. This is more about a

582
00:50:39.000 --> 00:50:44.199
community of people who are like minded. Obviously, I bring people on from

583
00:50:44.199 --> 00:50:47.000
all backgrounds and beliefs. Not everybody
have come on has been a Christian,

584
00:50:47.320 --> 00:50:52.239
and that's not a prerequisite for coming
on the program. However, I'm not

585
00:50:52.280 --> 00:50:54.920
going to sit here and argue because
of the fact I use that as a

586
00:50:54.920 --> 00:51:00.480
prime example. Look what happens.
It becomes destructive and divis about that.

587
00:51:00.480 --> 00:51:07.960
I refuse to have that in this
community. Yeah, oh I I and

588
00:51:07.000 --> 00:51:13.000
I just think that your approach is
just is just really really wonderful. I

589
00:51:13.679 --> 00:51:17.760
think that a part of getting to
this point. I think for most of

590
00:51:17.800 --> 00:51:22.800
the people who I listened to on
your podcast, like we kind of get

591
00:51:23.280 --> 00:51:29.440
pulled through a lot of mud,
right, a lot of realization about other

592
00:51:29.599 --> 00:51:36.039
conspiracies about a lot of other things
that are broken in the world, and

593
00:51:36.199 --> 00:51:38.880
so kind of getting to this point
like in one. On one hand,

594
00:51:38.920 --> 00:51:43.360
it's really liberating, and then for
a while I was like I have to

595
00:51:43.440 --> 00:51:45.840
keep digging, like what else?
What else is behind this one? Like

596
00:51:45.920 --> 00:51:53.719
what what else is there that uncover? And so I listened to your other

597
00:51:53.840 --> 00:51:59.800
podcasts quite a bit, or you
know, other presenters with similar content,

598
00:52:00.199 --> 00:52:06.360
and I've gotten to a point where
I've had my fill. I think we

599
00:52:06.440 --> 00:52:10.159
know that this is a falling world. We know that the people in charge

600
00:52:10.440 --> 00:52:19.559
have a very calculated, long running
agenda. But I think the most important

601
00:52:19.559 --> 00:52:24.440
thing is to live our lives right. Like the more time that we spend

602
00:52:25.199 --> 00:52:30.320
like put letting them into our heads
that comes at the trade off of like

603
00:52:30.400 --> 00:52:37.320
building the chicken coup or having the
conversation or the quiet moment. But the

604
00:52:37.320 --> 00:52:43.119
way that you conduct this podcast and
just the warmth of fellowship, even though

605
00:52:43.119 --> 00:52:45.719
it's just yourself in one person at
a time, you're building a community and

606
00:52:45.760 --> 00:52:51.119
it's so encouraging to come in here
and listen to that. So that's really

607
00:52:51.280 --> 00:52:54.599
really high remarks and well done to
you as you say well done you that

608
00:52:54.599 --> 00:52:58.840
you conduct that so well. Well, I appreciate that, and again,

609
00:52:58.920 --> 00:53:02.079
really kudos to all the people who
have come on like yourself and has opened

610
00:53:02.079 --> 00:53:07.639
themselves up to you know, a
worldwide audience and you know said, this

611
00:53:07.760 --> 00:53:10.519
is kind of what I believe,
and I think it's really important because,

612
00:53:12.719 --> 00:53:15.320
you know, one of the common
narratives amongst all my interviews is the fact

613
00:53:15.400 --> 00:53:20.400
that there's no there's not a whole
lot of like minded people nearby right in

614
00:53:20.440 --> 00:53:22.400
your community. But when you hear
the stories, you're like, ha,

615
00:53:22.639 --> 00:53:28.039
that that's that's what I think.
And then you understand there's there's a lot

616
00:53:28.039 --> 00:53:31.679
of like minded people out there,
even though the powers that be would like

617
00:53:31.719 --> 00:53:36.920
you to think that you're now you're
just you're the oddball because you didn't trust

618
00:53:37.000 --> 00:53:39.559
the science or whatever the reason is. There's tons of people out there and

619
00:53:39.599 --> 00:53:44.280
growing by the day, and just
the you know, I'm not saying that

620
00:53:44.320 --> 00:53:49.679
the home school growth directly reflects,
you know, kind of the truth movement,

621
00:53:49.800 --> 00:53:52.920
et cetera, but I mean it
went from less than three percent to

622
00:53:52.280 --> 00:53:58.159
over eight percent that the homeschooling education
in just three years. So I do

623
00:53:58.199 --> 00:54:00.960
think there's people who are starting to
say, hmmm, you know, you

624
00:54:01.000 --> 00:54:04.880
know, maybe mom and Dad peaked
in on that Zoom class back in twenty

625
00:54:04.920 --> 00:54:08.920
twenty and saw was being taught and
they realized that the Rockefeller education system may

626
00:54:08.960 --> 00:54:15.559
not be for their children. Yeah. Yeah, well, and that's kind

627
00:54:15.559 --> 00:54:20.400
of We've had that experience in other
situations we went through again, you know,

628
00:54:20.440 --> 00:54:22.599
and our families we all go through, like some hard times and of

629
00:54:22.599 --> 00:54:27.519
course the really good times too,
And we went through a couple of really

630
00:54:28.119 --> 00:54:35.639
trying Perians and I just suffer through
some illness with our children, and it

631
00:54:35.719 --> 00:54:43.880
can be kind of tempting to guard
that because it's vulnerable and upsetting and scary,

632
00:54:44.000 --> 00:54:49.159
and there were some elements of it
that just didn't seem like nice or

633
00:54:49.199 --> 00:54:54.400
pleasant to share openly. But every
time I would be candid or transparent with

634
00:54:54.400 --> 00:55:00.840
somebody about what we were experiencing,
without fail, the answer would be,

635
00:55:00.400 --> 00:55:06.599
oh goodness, my niece is having
that same issue, or you know,

636
00:55:06.679 --> 00:55:10.360
our family experienced that, We came
through it and are enjoying being restored to

637
00:55:10.400 --> 00:55:15.559
wellness, you know at this point. So I think being vulnerable and being

638
00:55:15.599 --> 00:55:23.920
real always will will lend itself to
to rewards and connection at that human level.

639
00:55:24.239 --> 00:55:29.360
It's always worth it one hundred percent. You mentioned one of your emails

640
00:55:29.360 --> 00:55:34.159
as well, somatics, and we've
had a few people talk kind of about

641
00:55:34.159 --> 00:55:37.920
cimetics and what it means. Well, what you mentioned, are you talking

642
00:55:37.920 --> 00:55:43.320
about maybe how the vibrations and sound
waves are used against us or were you

643
00:55:43.320 --> 00:55:47.119
looking at it from a different angle. Oh, well, I definitely believe

644
00:55:47.159 --> 00:55:55.960
that that energy and that technology can
be used is a controlling mechanism, you

645
00:55:55.960 --> 00:56:00.760
know, by buying the military or
the powers that be. But you know,

646
00:56:00.920 --> 00:56:07.119
I heard somebody, uh, I
wish I could attribute this. Some

647
00:56:07.239 --> 00:56:09.840
of the made a remark once that
when Jesus spent the five thousand, if

648
00:56:09.880 --> 00:56:15.000
you think about the sheer amount of
physical energy. I'm not very smart about

649
00:56:15.119 --> 00:56:21.639
energy, but like watts or chilla
jewels or whatever it is, like the

650
00:56:21.679 --> 00:56:30.880
sheer amount of energy to do that
was like astonishing, and it kind of

651
00:56:30.079 --> 00:56:35.559
shook me in a way, like
I think that when you grow up hearing

652
00:56:35.719 --> 00:56:42.519
the Bible, they almost become like
the Bible stories instead of the reality of

653
00:56:42.800 --> 00:56:49.119
our world, like it it's truth. And that led me to start to

654
00:56:49.159 --> 00:56:52.599
think about, you know, there's
other amazing miracles like the water being turned

655
00:56:52.599 --> 00:56:58.599
into wine. That's time and place, I mean, and again like just

656
00:56:58.639 --> 00:57:02.800
the energy like kind of astonishing.
And I had these thoughts in my mind

657
00:57:04.000 --> 00:57:09.119
and came across the video that shows
simatics and how sound you know, like

658
00:57:09.159 --> 00:57:16.559
people put sand on a speaker or
something and they can make different shapes and

659
00:57:16.559 --> 00:57:22.559
and they can use different media where
you can even see three dimensional shapes and

660
00:57:22.639 --> 00:57:25.960
you start to notice how they look
so similar to shapes that we see in

661
00:57:27.079 --> 00:57:32.960
nature, and it just knocked my
socks off, like, without without kind

662
00:57:34.000 --> 00:57:37.639
of prompting from the particular video that
I was watching, I just knew,

663
00:57:37.800 --> 00:57:44.000
like you know, in the beginning, God created right like it was his

664
00:57:44.159 --> 00:57:50.239
voice. Like that makes total sense
to me, you know, like seeing

665
00:57:50.320 --> 00:57:53.519
it just even on that small scale
like somebody that's messy, like you know,

666
00:57:53.639 --> 00:58:00.400
craft room or garage and they're just
doing this simatic experience experiment. But

667
00:58:00.480 --> 00:58:02.280
even at that skill, it's like, wow, there's really something here,

668
00:58:02.840 --> 00:58:12.360
like like we are far more special
and elegant and so definitely created, like

669
00:58:12.360 --> 00:58:17.280
like it just like just lent itself
to so much clarity there. I also

670
00:58:17.639 --> 00:58:22.480
I also I'm sorry, go ahead, no, no, no, you're

671
00:58:22.519 --> 00:58:24.159
good. I was just going to
say what a great point that was,

672
00:58:24.320 --> 00:58:29.079
and for people who don't think that
they have this technology. I'm going to

673
00:58:29.159 --> 00:58:31.760
put in the show notes something we
had in the military we used in Iraq,

674
00:58:31.840 --> 00:58:34.480
not me. I didn't use it, but we are. Unit was

675
00:58:34.519 --> 00:58:38.360
signed for it. And it's something
called an l RAD long rage audio device

676
00:58:38.440 --> 00:58:42.840
or something like that. And they
could turn it on and just through the

677
00:58:43.280 --> 00:58:47.679
sounds the frequencies, it would chase
people away like it's it's legit, it's

678
00:58:47.679 --> 00:58:52.280
not a joke. And that's just
the technology that we have. Imagine the

679
00:58:52.320 --> 00:58:55.000
stuff that we don't know about.
And I also think a lot of things

680
00:58:55.000 --> 00:59:00.239
that they put on the market and
they put in our hands also numb our

681
00:59:00.320 --> 00:59:07.559
senses that maybe that was not inhibited, maybe even just a few hundred years

682
00:59:07.599 --> 00:59:15.599
ago. Oh absolutely. And actually
I picked up this book called The Invisible

683
00:59:15.760 --> 00:59:22.039
Rainbow. It's a book about the
history of electricity and the impacts on humans

684
00:59:22.039 --> 00:59:28.199
on our health. And for hundreds
of years, hundreds of years, as

685
00:59:28.199 --> 00:59:31.559
soon as they could produce and control
electricity, they were studying what happened if

686
00:59:31.599 --> 00:59:37.199
they just put a little volta of
something something on a person in different points

687
00:59:37.199 --> 00:59:39.559
on their body, their tongue,
their ear, their eye is different things.

688
00:59:40.880 --> 00:59:50.400
It's incredibly well understood the impact of
electricity on human physiology. I would

689
00:59:50.519 --> 00:59:53.440
encourage anybody who even has a passing
interest. It's a super readable book.

690
00:59:54.519 --> 01:00:00.800
And even if all you get into
is like the first hundred pages, like

691
01:00:01.119 --> 01:00:09.800
just it's fascinating and illuminating and a
little bit sobering what we have surrounded ourselves,

692
01:00:09.840 --> 01:00:15.320
within our houses and our towns,
everywhere all around us this force and

693
01:00:15.480 --> 01:00:19.239
it can be so good, like
I loved having a light switch in my

694
01:00:19.320 --> 01:00:24.519
house, but definitely get a trade
off, a huge treade off. And

695
01:00:24.960 --> 01:00:31.239
I think that they maybe have gotten
it so comfortable that we are. That's

696
01:00:31.320 --> 01:00:37.039
one of the weapons that they used
against us, because if you've really take

697
01:00:37.079 --> 01:00:40.320
the time and sit down and look
how our country have been pillaged over the

698
01:00:40.400 --> 01:00:45.440
last certainly one and twenty years,
and as many times as our freedoms have

699
01:00:45.519 --> 01:00:52.079
been infringed on, a lot of
this stuff wouldn't have flown back in that

700
01:00:52.199 --> 01:00:57.079
time. But our lives are so
comfortable now. I think people just aren't

701
01:00:57.119 --> 01:01:00.719
willing to again. Like you said, going back to Portland in Saint Louis,

702
01:01:00.719 --> 01:01:02.639
people had to be obviously, if
you're going to do it, you're

703
01:01:02.679 --> 01:01:06.800
going to do it for money.
It's not a very natural, organic type

704
01:01:06.800 --> 01:01:09.840
of thing. Many of the people
we saw this weekend in brown khakis and

705
01:01:09.880 --> 01:01:16.000
masks were obviously probably Feds. It's
too you know, to set a narrative.

706
01:01:16.679 --> 01:01:22.039
So again, like you said,
it is it is a trade off.

707
01:01:22.519 --> 01:01:25.119
Like you know, we have our
temperature set at sixty eight degrees,

708
01:01:25.199 --> 01:01:30.039
so the house is always that temperature
plus or minus one degree. We don't

709
01:01:30.079 --> 01:01:35.440
have to build fires. But I
think a lot of people if a major

710
01:01:35.480 --> 01:01:38.599
event does happen between now or say
twenty thirty, there's a lot of people

711
01:01:39.079 --> 01:01:45.639
who maybe have never had to endure
any real type of difficulties, just simple

712
01:01:45.679 --> 01:01:50.079
things like having to start a fire, cook your own food, things like

713
01:01:50.119 --> 01:01:52.800
that that are really going to struggle. And I don't mean to be a

714
01:01:52.880 --> 01:01:57.599
fearmonger. I want people to live
their lives, but at the same time,

715
01:01:58.159 --> 01:02:00.920
you know, having to take away
the base, sick human elements of

716
01:02:00.960 --> 01:02:06.000
what we do here, right,
like what people did to survive for thousands

717
01:02:06.039 --> 01:02:14.199
of years has been lost. Yeah, yes, and I think about that

718
01:02:14.239 --> 01:02:16.800
too, Like I think you had
a guest on not too long ago who

719
01:02:16.800 --> 01:02:22.960
made the remark that freedom isn't easy, And I think we have to be

720
01:02:23.039 --> 01:02:27.039
willing to be uncomfortable. I think
we have to be willing to be mentally

721
01:02:27.079 --> 01:02:34.639
uncomfortable and physically uncomfortable to to to
really even be, you know, candidates

722
01:02:34.639 --> 01:02:39.239
for living in in the true sense
of freedom. Right like if if again,

723
01:02:39.320 --> 01:02:44.320
if we're going to defer into flex
the truth, because if I see

724
01:02:44.320 --> 01:02:46.679
something, I might get fired,
see something about this mask, I might

725
01:02:46.719 --> 01:02:50.239
get fired, and then my house
is no longer going to be sixty eight

726
01:02:50.239 --> 01:02:58.480
degrees. Yeah, that's that's hard, that's hard to weigh. But but

727
01:03:00.079 --> 01:03:04.760
freedom just isn't easy. Now,
it's not that means actually being responsible for

728
01:03:04.880 --> 01:03:07.719
education for all the people who do
wrong in your community. It's the burden

729
01:03:07.760 --> 01:03:09.639
on you to take care of them, not just to send them off to

730
01:03:09.679 --> 01:03:15.800
an institution and they're forgotten about.
It's a long line of things that speaking

731
01:03:15.840 --> 01:03:19.599
of, Like I'm taking the ear
plugs out of your ear and thinking,

732
01:03:19.760 --> 01:03:22.440
just sit back and think what it
really means for me, would be giving

733
01:03:22.519 --> 01:03:28.079
up my pension right and no social
security. I mean true freedom, having

734
01:03:28.119 --> 01:03:30.440
to provide your own food, your
heat. But in the same sense,

735
01:03:31.039 --> 01:03:37.079
what you get back is community.
I guarantee you within a week you'll know

736
01:03:37.159 --> 01:03:40.880
everybody's name on the street. I
guarantee it. You got sugar, Yeah,

737
01:03:42.000 --> 01:03:45.880
yes you have. You have flower
Let's bart brother, right, that's

738
01:03:45.000 --> 01:03:50.400
what happened. Yeah, yeah,
for sure. You know, for there

739
01:03:50.440 --> 01:03:53.679
was a short period of time where
we had to use on launder behal we

740
01:03:53.800 --> 01:03:59.920
are are always being worked on.
And I made so many acquaintances just by

741
01:04:00.159 --> 01:04:04.440
being the person there who was not
plugged into a phone, Like if you

742
01:04:04.559 --> 01:04:12.360
just look like you're alert and available
for conversation, had the best interactions,

743
01:04:12.599 --> 01:04:15.880
you know, people just volunteering things
about themselves, questions they had on their

744
01:04:15.920 --> 01:04:21.559
mind, stuff that was frustrating them, Like like just phenomenal. But we

745
01:04:21.679 --> 01:04:26.760
have to get out of our little
bubbles and be out there. And I

746
01:04:26.800 --> 01:04:31.559
would not characterize having to use a
laundromat as being uncomfortable or terribly inconvenienced,

747
01:04:31.639 --> 01:04:35.239
but it is when you compare it
to just running down to the basement and

748
01:04:35.320 --> 01:04:41.920
starting a little wa wash. But
you know, it's good, it is,

749
01:04:42.199 --> 01:04:45.440
and it brings back that human connection
because so many of us, even

750
01:04:45.000 --> 01:04:51.719
post COVID, you know, have
like here in Delaware, normally they would

751
01:04:51.800 --> 01:04:55.960
send them the children to school two
hours later or whatever. They just said,

752
01:04:56.000 --> 01:04:58.800
Ah, we're going to I forget
what they call it, a remote

753
01:04:58.880 --> 01:05:02.119
day, So the children they had
two days of remote learning from school.

754
01:05:02.159 --> 01:05:06.599
And then's this Sunday, which was
three days after the snowstorm. And again,

755
01:05:06.840 --> 01:05:10.840
folks, I know sometimes I come
off like sounding like I beat up

756
01:05:10.880 --> 01:05:15.400
the church and stuff. Please I
don't, but all of the churches around

757
01:05:15.480 --> 01:05:18.159
us they all used the same quote. It was out of an abundance of

758
01:05:18.280 --> 01:05:23.280
caution. And it was three days
after the snowstorm, and I had copheaded.

759
01:05:23.599 --> 01:05:28.400
I'm sure it made them angry,
but I put that Satan does he

760
01:05:28.480 --> 01:05:30.639
you know, he never takes a
day off for inclement weather, So to

761
01:05:30.679 --> 01:05:33.960
make sure you pray every day.
And that's that's just a fact. And

762
01:05:34.239 --> 01:05:36.920
honestly, I was going to go
to a Trinity Methodist church, which is

763
01:05:36.960 --> 01:05:40.639
about, I don't know, ten
minutes away from me, but I didn't

764
01:05:40.639 --> 01:05:43.559
have the opportunity because it closed and
he ended up just doing like a ten

765
01:05:43.559 --> 01:05:46.639
minute video online. And it's just
like, you know, man, this

766
01:05:47.159 --> 01:05:49.840
is more of a time than ever
that we need leaders in those posies.

767
01:05:49.920 --> 01:05:55.719
I mean leaders. I mean obviously
you want them doctrinally sound, but man,

768
01:05:55.840 --> 01:05:59.360
be leader, lead from the front. Yeah, you know, let

769
01:05:59.360 --> 01:06:02.159
me tell you about out a church
that did a phenomenal job standing up to

770
01:06:02.199 --> 01:06:11.119
the tyranny. This is Grace Community
Church in California, where John MacArthur is

771
01:06:11.239 --> 01:06:17.280
the the primary preacher. This was
in California and they went toe to toe

772
01:06:17.719 --> 01:06:26.440
with the governor there and prevailed.
And he has a really great blog post

773
01:06:26.519 --> 01:06:32.719
that explains their position. That's just
phenomenal. And they've made a documentary about

774
01:06:32.760 --> 01:06:39.679
it, which I have not watched, but really just just phenomenal on how

775
01:06:39.719 --> 01:06:45.400
they did that. I realized I
didn't tell you about Kem Trails. So

776
01:06:45.920 --> 01:06:48.679
let me tell you when I realized
about Kem Trails, because I don't think

777
01:06:48.719 --> 01:06:57.800
I've heard anybody on your podcast mention
this. I was really rolling around the

778
01:06:57.880 --> 01:07:01.480
cosmology in my mind and I'm like, not sure it matters, and I'm

779
01:07:01.480 --> 01:07:05.360
still kind of like if I really
think this is real, itit's kind of

780
01:07:05.400 --> 01:07:12.920
weird, like like I was kind
of looking for something compelling, like like

781
01:07:13.079 --> 01:07:15.360
let me observe this in my own
way. And I live in the Midwest.

782
01:07:15.440 --> 01:07:18.960
I have actually been around Lake Michigan
and able to live across and see

783
01:07:19.039 --> 01:07:25.000
in the Chicago skyline, and so
I guess maybe I was kind of like

784
01:07:25.039 --> 01:07:28.800
looking for something a little bit more, and you know, of course they

785
01:07:28.840 --> 01:07:33.480
spray. This guy's like nobody's business. And every once in a while you

786
01:07:33.559 --> 01:07:41.719
catch a plane that's coming right at
you or is going directly away from you

787
01:07:41.719 --> 01:07:45.079
your point of view, towards the
horizon. And when they're doing that,

788
01:07:45.280 --> 01:07:53.440
they look like they're going straight up
into the sky or straight down, just

789
01:07:53.480 --> 01:08:00.239
like the sun right and we know, like in the biblical cosmology, the

790
01:08:00.239 --> 01:08:02.960
sun is not going up, it's
going around. And I know that plane

791
01:08:03.039 --> 01:08:09.559
is not flying infinitely up it up, up, up into the sky indefinitely,

792
01:08:11.280 --> 01:08:15.199
that that's an illusion. That's the
way I'm perceiving it because of how

793
01:08:15.199 --> 01:08:21.000
it's coming straight over me from my
perspective. And that was like I looked

794
01:08:21.000 --> 01:08:27.319
at chemtrails a lot, like we
were doing a bunch of road trips at

795
01:08:27.319 --> 01:08:30.239
the time in the car, a
bunch, and there was a point where

796
01:08:30.279 --> 01:08:35.279
it's like, that's what's happening,
that's it. It's really flat, that's

797
01:08:35.319 --> 01:08:39.159
that's how it is. And then
and then I was I was okay to

798
01:08:39.239 --> 01:08:45.000
go, so I'd share that because
again I haven't heard anybody notice that about

799
01:08:45.000 --> 01:08:48.880
the chemtrails, and they don't all
appear that way. It's just like when

800
01:08:48.920 --> 01:08:56.119
you have that particular perspective that is
interesting. And have you noticed specifically most

801
01:08:56.520 --> 01:09:00.119
are I'm sorry, I would say
it started maybe the week before Christmas.

802
01:09:00.119 --> 01:09:04.039
Have you noticed, say, the
last six weeks in your area and uptick

803
01:09:04.319 --> 01:09:12.720
of these chemtrails. Oh, it's
outrageous. We we we've just kind of

804
01:09:12.920 --> 01:09:16.960
done a couple of the moves.
We relocated and rented for a little while

805
01:09:17.000 --> 01:09:23.880
and moved again. And so that
first move we kind of always saw them

806
01:09:23.960 --> 01:09:27.359
spring like that location, it seemed
like it was they were laying it down

807
01:09:27.399 --> 01:09:33.199
pretty consistently. And then we moved
and I was enjoying just like beautiful like

808
01:09:33.319 --> 01:09:39.680
pretty clear skies and good natural clouds, and then like you said in December,

809
01:09:41.479 --> 01:09:44.319
like just laying it down so thick, Like you go out and count

810
01:09:44.520 --> 01:09:48.560
like more than twenty trails in the
sky at a time, and more train

811
01:09:48.720 --> 01:09:53.000
and more planes, you know,
crossing through the sky at the same time.

812
01:09:55.760 --> 01:09:58.680
Yeah, we dealt with the same
thing. And shortly after Christmas is

813
01:09:58.680 --> 01:10:01.720
when a lot of people started getting
this cough and cold likes. It wasn't

814
01:10:01.760 --> 01:10:06.520
a flu, certainly, but a
lot of cough and cold and it's just

815
01:10:08.159 --> 01:10:10.600
pure evil. And by the way, before I forget, because I will

816
01:10:10.600 --> 01:10:13.119
forget, what was the name of
that church in California that you had mentioned

817
01:10:13.520 --> 01:10:18.880
that stood up to go Yeah,
great. I think it's called Grace Community

818
01:10:19.560 --> 01:10:28.079
Church. That the website is It's
Grace to You g t y dot org.

819
01:10:30.800 --> 01:10:36.079
And there's really there's great resources there
to listen to sermons or read sermons

820
01:10:36.199 --> 01:10:42.079
or or other things too. Oh, I found it g t y dot

821
01:10:42.119 --> 01:10:46.159
com. John MacArthur the guy's name, Yes, found it. Thank you,

822
01:10:46.960 --> 01:10:49.479
And you know, I want to
mention the church in Mia. It's

823
01:10:49.479 --> 01:10:53.840
an hour north from here, by
fair Wind's Baptist Church. Their pastor is

824
01:10:53.840 --> 01:10:56.840
a young pastor at mid thirties,
does a tremendous job, never closes,

825
01:10:56.840 --> 01:11:00.119
stood up to They have a private
school. It's church in private school as

826
01:11:00.159 --> 01:11:04.600
well, and they stood up to
COVID against our governor and even in his

827
01:11:04.720 --> 01:11:08.279
latest I watch them online. It's
about an hour drive north. It's not

828
01:11:08.319 --> 01:11:13.119
horrible, but when my wife works, I can't make it. But he

829
01:11:13.199 --> 01:11:16.479
spoke about Pharmakia and I've never heard
a local minister talk about Pharma Kia,

830
01:11:17.319 --> 01:11:20.560
and I was just there are people
you just got in some cases you got

831
01:11:20.560 --> 01:11:24.600
to work really hard, but there
are good folks out there. What was

832
01:11:24.640 --> 01:11:28.239
the other question I wanted to ask
you MutS. You had mentioned mutt slides

833
01:11:28.279 --> 01:11:34.159
in Mount Saint Helens. Yeah,
so kind of at the same time frame

834
01:11:34.239 --> 01:11:39.079
that I was coming across these videos, like I saw that video about cimatics,

835
01:11:39.119 --> 01:11:45.000
and I felt like that just gave
me like this new perspective on energy

836
01:11:45.119 --> 01:11:51.039
and sound and form and and it's
like this scroll your phone and you come

837
01:11:51.039 --> 01:12:02.920
across the strangest things. But saw
a video of like a high ravine collapsing

838
01:12:02.960 --> 01:12:11.079
after heavy after heavy rain, and
just seeing the power of the earth and

839
01:12:11.159 --> 01:12:19.319
moving like that and that erosion,
and again just realizing like the magnitude of

840
01:12:20.760 --> 01:12:27.479
this place where we live, like
what it is, but also appreciating that,

841
01:12:28.439 --> 01:12:31.840
you know, things don't erode uniformly, like you if you drive around

842
01:12:31.960 --> 01:12:36.039
out west, like you're by the
Grand Canyon or something, and like you

843
01:12:36.159 --> 01:12:41.199
know that like a mudslide looks like
this certain way, like you see it,

844
01:12:41.720 --> 01:12:45.560
you know, personally or in a
video, and then there's miles and

845
01:12:45.600 --> 01:12:50.760
miles and miles of this canyon and
it also winds up perfectly from one side

846
01:12:50.800 --> 01:12:56.800
to the next. There's no,
there's no like the windward side, you

847
01:12:56.840 --> 01:13:00.319
know, got a hard storm and
torn up and looks, you know,

848
01:13:00.439 --> 01:13:05.640
significantly different, or it's still got
all that unif kind of uniform appearance,

849
01:13:05.680 --> 01:13:12.760
and it just doesn't seem to stand
up to like the millions of years timeline.

850
01:13:12.960 --> 01:13:18.159
And I thought awestruck was just the
amount of power in that that collapsing

851
01:13:20.439 --> 01:13:27.279
riverbank, you know, that pretty
large mudslide, and and then I it's

852
01:13:27.319 --> 01:13:31.239
funny how you come across things in
the right sequence. There's a presenter on

853
01:13:31.399 --> 01:13:39.239
the Answers in Genesis website called Kurt
Wise. He's pretty cool, like he's

854
01:13:39.359 --> 01:13:42.239
enjoyable. He just really loves what
he does, and he's really enjoyable to

855
01:13:42.319 --> 01:13:47.159
listen to. And he shared how
after Mount Seeing Helen's erupted and you know,

856
01:13:47.199 --> 01:13:54.000
the entire mountain side was remodeled from
from that in the fat of the

857
01:13:54.039 --> 01:14:00.880
ash and everything, and a couple
of years later, a snow melt broke

858
01:14:00.279 --> 01:14:04.399
kind of through an ice dam or
through some of that geology they had been

859
01:14:04.479 --> 01:14:09.720
laid down, and in less than
a day they had a massive canyon that

860
01:14:09.880 --> 01:14:15.119
looked smaller scale obviously, but looked
just like the Grand Canyon. I needed

861
01:14:15.119 --> 01:14:19.840
a job of presenting that and talking
about that timeline and what happened in Mount

862
01:14:19.840 --> 01:14:24.600
Saint Helens and how that you know, we can look at that is a

863
01:14:24.640 --> 01:14:28.960
way and then scale it up to
these other great features like the Grand Canyon

864
01:14:29.079 --> 01:14:33.039
or you know, or other geology
that could very reasonably have been laid down

865
01:14:33.800 --> 01:14:39.680
in the flood or in you know, events following the flood. Is the

866
01:14:39.760 --> 01:14:45.119
water and the earth all kind of
rebalanced and recalibrated. That is interesting,

867
01:14:45.199 --> 01:14:49.159
And again there's so many questions we
have, and it goes back to,

868
01:14:49.439 --> 01:14:54.439
you know, so much of our
history is lies, going all the way

869
01:14:54.479 --> 01:14:58.840
back to I believe the Pyramids.
So much our history has been distorted ahead

870
01:14:58.880 --> 01:15:00.880
it's so hard to to seek the
truth. Luckily, like you know,

871
01:15:00.960 --> 01:15:04.199
we mentioned, we have the Bible
that is the one doctrine we can always

872
01:15:04.239 --> 01:15:09.520
go back to and it never fools
us. But there's so much you know

873
01:15:10.359 --> 01:15:15.359
that was it called the Devil's Hill
or something that looks like a few of

874
01:15:15.399 --> 01:15:20.880
our listeners had mentioned a giant tree
that was cut down so many Devil's Tower,

875
01:15:20.960 --> 01:15:26.960
thank you, thank you, yeah, yeah, yeah. And there's

876
01:15:27.000 --> 01:15:30.960
other places too. There's a couple
of people who do really neat work looking

877
01:15:31.000 --> 01:15:40.439
at lighter and old structures and things. There's a guy in the UK,

878
01:15:40.680 --> 01:15:47.319
Pulk, who does really phenomenal work, not so much looking at you know,

879
01:15:47.439 --> 01:15:51.680
things that may have been look as
though they could have been trees,

880
01:15:53.199 --> 01:16:01.920
you know, in another time,
but just exposing insights into some of the

881
01:16:02.560 --> 01:16:08.600
structures and the geography that we see
around. He's a pretty fascinating guy.

882
01:16:09.039 --> 01:16:14.760
I wish that he was not such
a long form presenter, or that he

883
01:16:14.800 --> 01:16:17.479
would break up some of those long
form presentations into some of the really good

884
01:16:17.560 --> 01:16:21.039
nuggets. Good nugs as he calls
them. It is in is a UK

885
01:16:21.239 --> 01:16:30.000
accent, because he just like,
here's an example in Malta. There must

886
01:16:30.000 --> 01:16:32.520
have been a PBS documentary. I
knew about this, the cart ruts in

887
01:16:32.560 --> 01:16:39.399
Malta. There on the island,
there's these channels and treks and they sort

888
01:16:39.399 --> 01:16:47.920
of look like what the electric rail
car trails in San Francisco late look like.

889
01:16:47.920 --> 01:16:51.000
Like they're parallel, and they crisscross
and they go here and there and

890
01:16:51.039 --> 01:16:59.800
everywhere. And people always said they
were cart ruts. And I don't know

891
01:17:00.039 --> 01:17:03.000
you've ever had to pull a wagon
or push a cart, but if I

892
01:17:03.119 --> 01:17:08.720
had to push a cart and terrain
it had all those ruds, I wouldn't

893
01:17:08.720 --> 01:17:11.960
be able to go anywhere. No, right, Like it's so deeply redded

894
01:17:12.079 --> 01:17:16.079
and they cross so much like it
would be worse terrain to try to use

895
01:17:16.119 --> 01:17:23.399
that than to just go find like
some level ground. Uh. Paul does

896
01:17:23.439 --> 01:17:28.039
some analysis. He has a background
in I don't know if it's plumbing or

897
01:17:28.079 --> 01:17:32.479
electric, but he thinks that it
might have actually been like very old utility

898
01:17:32.560 --> 01:17:39.720
channels. Really, our utility lines
were whether the transportation of water or energy

899
01:17:41.439 --> 01:17:45.000
to to the society that was there
a long time ago. That's interesting.

900
01:17:45.079 --> 01:17:49.039
Well you're it broke up a little
bit when you said his last name Paul.

901
01:17:49.119 --> 01:17:56.520
What was his last name? Uh
Cook? Like see oh okay,

902
01:17:56.640 --> 01:18:04.840
yes, yes, yeah, uh
wrong, keyboard Okay, there he is

903
01:18:05.159 --> 01:18:13.399
he was, Yeah, and they
actually asked him to leave Malta really because

904
01:18:13.439 --> 01:18:17.479
the work that he was doing there
and kind of exploring and investigating and doing

905
01:18:17.520 --> 01:18:24.520
different things so interesting. But it's
encouraging. There's people out there who,

906
01:18:24.960 --> 01:18:29.319
you know, I have a particular
skill or just an eye to see things

907
01:18:29.319 --> 01:18:33.439
in a particular way, and you
know, like he doesn't by any measure,

908
01:18:33.560 --> 01:18:39.199
have like some complete alternate story,
you know, that could be like

909
01:18:39.439 --> 01:18:47.199
the definitive alternative truth, but he
sees compelling evidence that things are definitely different

910
01:18:47.479 --> 01:18:56.319
from how the mainstream history historical narrative
conveys it. Yeah, just just perusing

911
01:18:56.359 --> 01:19:00.439
really briefly, it looks like he
actually has a lot of videos that he

912
01:19:00.560 --> 01:19:05.520
says that are actually some pre flood
civilizations. And yeah, there are long

913
01:19:05.600 --> 01:19:13.199
videos two and a half three hours
long. Yeah, Yeah, that's interesting.

914
01:19:13.520 --> 01:19:16.840
I wanted to share one other,
one other thing with you, sure,

915
01:19:18.359 --> 01:19:24.479
like I think that, you know, a part of again, my

916
01:19:24.600 --> 01:19:29.279
own journey or process was, you
know, having those opportunities to see these

917
01:19:29.279 --> 01:19:42.079
a little bit differently in the environment
around, but also learning some of them

918
01:19:42.119 --> 01:19:45.800
some kind of i don't know,
book knowledge or books that I came across.

919
01:19:47.439 --> 01:19:59.720
Again at church in our adult class
has some really respectable teachers, you

920
01:19:59.720 --> 01:20:03.960
know, trying to convey to the
congregation like these are the characteristics of living

921
01:20:04.000 --> 01:20:12.760
in a post truth, post God
kind of world, right, and shared

922
01:20:13.079 --> 01:20:18.960
really great stuff from news magazines and
articles and books and things like that.

923
01:20:20.920 --> 01:20:27.439
But I was always so frustrated in
those classes because I'm not the kind of

924
01:20:27.479 --> 01:20:32.079
person who can stand by and run
down a bullet point list of how like

925
01:20:32.199 --> 01:20:36.199
this is how we can tell things
are broken. If something's broken, then

926
01:20:36.199 --> 01:20:41.399
there's a call to action, right
to either like not let it break further,

927
01:20:41.560 --> 01:20:46.680
or to try and fix it.
And a couple of times two different

928
01:20:46.720 --> 01:20:53.720
teachers in this class forum mentioned a
book called Slouching Towards Gomorra. It's a

929
01:20:53.760 --> 01:20:59.760
book that was written by Robert Bork, who was the first Supreme Court nominee

930
01:20:59.760 --> 01:21:05.600
to have his nomination rejected. He
did not become a Supreme Court justice.

931
01:21:05.680 --> 01:21:11.159
And this book, Slouching Towards Gomora, was published in nineteen ninety five,

932
01:21:11.199 --> 01:21:15.520
so it's the year that my husband
and I got married. And he does

933
01:21:15.600 --> 01:21:21.439
this great job of kind of in
the introduction of the first couple chapters of

934
01:21:21.439 --> 01:21:27.960
the book, he explains kind of
what's going on in society, that we're

935
01:21:28.000 --> 01:21:31.359
headed to this post reason, post
truth, post god kind of world,

936
01:21:32.279 --> 01:21:40.039
and then each subsequent chapter kind of
peels that back in regards to a particular

937
01:21:41.279 --> 01:21:51.119
arena of life, whether it's in
racial sentiments or relations, feminism, education,

938
01:21:51.920 --> 01:21:57.840
kind of the whole gamut of things. And I thought, well,

939
01:21:58.039 --> 01:22:00.680
I'm just going to have to read
this book if I'm not getting a good

940
01:22:00.720 --> 01:22:04.239
call to action from my teachers.
But this seems like a pretty smart book.

941
01:22:04.279 --> 01:22:06.920
So I'm going to read it,
and I did. I read every

942
01:22:06.920 --> 01:22:18.560
word and I realized that people who
love reason, love justice, love America,

943
01:22:18.640 --> 01:22:26.640
and love God could see in really
with great clarity, where our society

944
01:22:26.760 --> 01:22:30.920
was headed right at the same time
that I was leading, you know,

945
01:22:30.279 --> 01:22:35.520
young adulthood into married life. And
I thought, well, if that was

946
01:22:36.079 --> 01:22:42.760
seen so clearly, why why haven't
we been talking about it NonStop? Like

947
01:22:42.840 --> 01:22:45.159
why did we like put this all
on hold in wait thirty years and now

948
01:22:45.199 --> 01:22:50.159
we're and now we're like looking behind
ourselves, you know, remarking on like

949
01:22:50.840 --> 01:22:58.359
what a mess everything is. But
what it did is it it gave credibility

950
01:22:58.640 --> 01:23:05.039
to conspiracy theories because on the flip
side, I had also come across a

951
01:23:05.079 --> 01:23:16.800
website that lists this kind of genealogy
sort of relationship chronology, you know,

952
01:23:16.880 --> 01:23:21.199
the roths, childs and the chases
and kind of that, the whole nine

953
01:23:21.279 --> 01:23:30.159
yards of that, and with kind
of nauseating to read that and realize that

954
01:23:30.199 --> 01:23:34.239
there's definite relationships, there's definite connections, like like, it's not just a

955
01:23:34.279 --> 01:23:43.279
conspiracy and that having read that book, slouching towards the more at you know,

956
01:23:43.359 --> 01:23:46.800
from somebody who doesn't mention the roth
childs, the chases, global bankers

957
01:23:46.880 --> 01:23:55.239
anything once but still tells us exactly
what's happening, makes you realize it's really

958
01:23:55.319 --> 01:24:00.279
happening. And I think that made
it easier for me to again, like

959
01:24:00.399 --> 01:24:03.760
just look at things a little bit
more honestly without feeling like I had to

960
01:24:03.800 --> 01:24:09.319
apologize for being a conspiracy. Theorist
was like, hey, the respectable judge

961
01:24:09.359 --> 01:24:15.279
Bork can like lay it down thirty
years before it even happens. There's really

962
01:24:15.279 --> 01:24:25.640
something to it. Yeah, And
he nailed it across the board between opening

963
01:24:25.800 --> 01:24:30.279
the can of worms. Slowly with
the sexualization of the media, of the

964
01:24:30.319 --> 01:24:32.800
TV and of the movies, you
could see again, go back and watch

965
01:24:32.840 --> 01:24:39.520
TV up until about the mid sixties. You can start to see the change

966
01:24:40.039 --> 01:24:43.279
a little bit at a time.
Even in the fifties, when he saw

967
01:24:43.319 --> 01:24:46.960
mom and Dad's bedroom, they had
separate beds. That's how you know,

968
01:24:47.199 --> 01:24:50.279
normal that they kept it. But
he saw it. He called that out.

969
01:24:50.319 --> 01:24:56.720
He called out affirmative action, abortion, euthanasia, the decline of religion,

970
01:24:56.920 --> 01:25:00.239
and how yeah, all of it
with like said, which you know

971
01:25:00.479 --> 01:25:04.239
something I've never even thought about without
even calling out the names that we do

972
01:25:04.399 --> 01:25:10.039
on the conspiracy side, it's those
darn Rockefellers and Rothchilds and the Orsines and

973
01:25:10.079 --> 01:25:13.600
the on and on and on,
when when really, at the end of

974
01:25:13.640 --> 01:25:16.560
the day, it's it's just evil
and it's a satanic really, instead of

975
01:25:16.640 --> 01:25:21.840
naming people's names and listen, there's
uh, we we can get to a

976
01:25:21.920 --> 01:25:28.079
chat another time about our presidents,
but uh, every single president there's been

977
01:25:28.119 --> 01:25:31.840
a decline in morals and our debt
has doubled, like almost every single president.

978
01:25:31.960 --> 01:25:38.439
So but how he points out so
poignantly the the decline of our culture

979
01:25:39.039 --> 01:25:43.640
and moreover, like we've been talking
about for much of this podcast, how

980
01:25:44.680 --> 01:25:46.479
I don't like to use the word
religion so much, but for words lack

981
01:25:46.520 --> 01:25:53.880
thereof religion, how we've become like
if you know, they have diet coke,

982
01:25:53.960 --> 01:25:56.880
almost like a diet Christian, right, I call them Sunday Christians,

983
01:25:56.960 --> 01:25:59.560
right, people who go to church
for Sunday for an hour and then they

984
01:25:59.560 --> 01:26:01.640
go back to the worldly ways.
And listen, we're all centers. I'm

985
01:26:01.640 --> 01:26:06.640
not standing up here. I'm holier
than now. I'm guilty too. I'm

986
01:26:06.680 --> 01:26:12.319
talking across the board it's a good
book. Everybody should read it. It

987
01:26:12.399 --> 01:26:15.560
came out in it came out during
Clinton's tenure maybe mid nineties, Does that

988
01:26:15.600 --> 01:26:20.920
sound right, Yeah, ninety five. So, and I think he's still

989
01:26:20.960 --> 01:26:25.439
alive. It'd be cool to have
him on a podcast sometimes. But I

990
01:26:25.479 --> 01:26:28.640
know he's older. I think he's
still alone. I might be, I

991
01:26:29.319 --> 01:26:32.439
don't know, but he is.
It's interesting that you pinged on his comments

992
01:26:32.479 --> 01:26:40.520
about media and the sexualization of television
and movies. You can they can't really

993
01:26:40.520 --> 01:26:44.199
bring this up into their conversation,
but I wondered this to my husband.

994
01:26:44.880 --> 01:26:53.199
I feel like Hime was It was
a lot of things, but I feel

995
01:26:53.239 --> 01:27:05.239
like there was probably a conscious initiative
there to talk about homosexuality and just to

996
01:27:05.239 --> 01:27:09.520
bring it up as a subject.
I think, you know, people are

997
01:27:09.800 --> 01:27:14.399
or are not homosexual, Like it's
not even it wasn't even it's not even

998
01:27:14.439 --> 01:27:19.359
about the goodness or not of it. But CNN's on twenty four hours,

999
01:27:19.399 --> 01:27:24.319
you got all the news media's and
all of a sudden, like the country

1000
01:27:24.439 --> 01:27:28.680
is losing its innocence. Yeah,
I know, my grandmother had probably not

1001
01:27:28.760 --> 01:27:32.159
spent one brain cell on that,
you know, until it had come up

1002
01:27:32.199 --> 01:27:35.640
on the news. That's right and
right, and then across all people in

1003
01:27:35.720 --> 01:27:43.239
all ages, and then again with
Monica Lewinsky talking about the presidents and the

1004
01:27:43.319 --> 01:27:47.640
media, right, it's like there's
certainly some political positioning there and some other

1005
01:27:47.680 --> 01:27:57.119
objectives that were probably being positioned,
but also just talking about these shouldn't be

1006
01:27:57.199 --> 01:28:01.760
on news, like again like my
grandmother, me, like my children.

1007
01:28:02.319 --> 01:28:04.960
Never it's been a brain stell thinking
about that, and all of a sudden,

1008
01:28:05.000 --> 01:28:09.720
you can't turn around and not see
it and hear it, and you

1009
01:28:09.760 --> 01:28:13.680
can't and even like, well,
if we put up something as simple as

1010
01:28:13.800 --> 01:28:17.399
leave it to Beaver on roqu they'll
get that wholesome, you know, TV

1011
01:28:17.520 --> 01:28:24.560
experience. And then when you get
the commercial from roqu it's it's it's I

1012
01:28:24.600 --> 01:28:26.720
mean, I could go, but
I'm sure a lot of people know what

1013
01:28:26.800 --> 01:28:30.520
I'm talking about already. Yeah,
just there's no escape. So we've gotten

1014
01:28:30.520 --> 01:28:35.279
to the point where we're just buying
DVDs now because you can't even watch something

1015
01:28:35.319 --> 01:28:42.680
without having that dropped in. On
the commercials, it's just they, oh,

1016
01:28:43.359 --> 01:28:46.159
it's crazy. I could talk to
you for an hour about the commercials.

1017
01:28:46.199 --> 01:28:49.880
It's like it's like it's and it's
like, why does that commercial even

1018
01:28:49.960 --> 01:28:55.279
have to be that way, like
there are so many other things about that

1019
01:28:55.319 --> 01:28:59.399
product that you could show us or
tell us, like like why why is

1020
01:28:59.439 --> 01:29:03.279
it between being presented in this light? So yeah, I'm with you there

1021
01:29:03.960 --> 01:29:10.479
and again, mister Borck would he
probably just sits back in his office and

1022
01:29:10.560 --> 01:29:14.680
laughs when he watches the news or
sees these commercials. He called it like

1023
01:29:14.720 --> 01:29:17.439
you said, I guess at this
point, geez, it's closer to forty

1024
01:29:17.520 --> 01:29:20.800
years. Next year be forty years. Oh no, ninety thirty my math,

1025
01:29:20.840 --> 01:29:26.239
Sorry, guys, thirty years.
We're closing up on time. We're

1026
01:29:26.239 --> 01:29:28.439
coming up on an hour thirty.
But I still want to give you time.

1027
01:29:28.479 --> 01:29:30.800
If there's any bullet points or something
that we haven't had a chance to

1028
01:29:30.840 --> 01:29:35.239
mention, please do take the time
to bring that up. Well, let

1029
01:29:35.239 --> 01:29:39.039
me tell you my silver bullets,
because oh yeah, please do, please

1030
01:29:39.079 --> 01:29:43.600
do. I wanted to be ready
for that. I think, first of

1031
01:29:43.640 --> 01:29:48.279
all, just scripture, and like
I said, for me, it was

1032
01:29:48.319 --> 01:29:55.479
definitely scriptures about our cosmology, but
also just scriptures about the way that God

1033
01:29:55.560 --> 01:30:00.000
moves in our cosmology and the promise
of his kingdom that's coming. We talked

1034
01:30:00.000 --> 01:30:11.560
about the chemtrails, the time zones
and like how we should be gaining like

1035
01:30:12.000 --> 01:30:16.479
mad efficiencies on at least one direction
of our flights if the Earth is spinning

1036
01:30:19.560 --> 01:30:24.319
the spinning ball like like you know, like we've talked about it a lot

1037
01:30:24.359 --> 01:30:28.640
of times with other guests, that
a spinning ball, Like how does water

1038
01:30:28.840 --> 01:30:33.319
cling to it? Or even gas? Like like how can we not get

1039
01:30:33.359 --> 01:30:42.680
any travel gains flying through the atmosphere
if the Earth is spinning? And then

1040
01:30:43.359 --> 01:30:47.359
and then how does the gas like
staying in our atmosphere like how does it?

1041
01:30:47.800 --> 01:30:53.359
How does it not just vapor rise
into outer space? But like if

1042
01:30:53.399 --> 01:30:56.439
we have global warming, if it's
real, like if we're really worried about

1043
01:30:56.479 --> 01:31:01.279
methane and CO two, like couldn't
we just burp the atmosphe fear like like

1044
01:31:01.439 --> 01:31:04.039
why are we doing all these I
don't know, it just doesn't make sense.

1045
01:31:04.039 --> 01:31:08.600
It's ridiculous, especially when we're next
to a vacuum like they claim we

1046
01:31:08.680 --> 01:31:15.039
are exactly And then something that I
haven't like spend like good mental time on.

1047
01:31:15.279 --> 01:31:19.960
But there's like in photography or studio
lighting, there's this rule, the

1048
01:31:20.079 --> 01:31:30.199
inverse square law that like each time
you move a light source further from its

1049
01:31:30.239 --> 01:31:38.720
subject, the fall off of light
is double right, So I'm doing a

1050
01:31:38.760 --> 01:31:42.079
bad job of explaining it. But
the Google is there, look it up.

1051
01:31:42.560 --> 01:31:46.560
But so for the time to be
so far away and just still be

1052
01:31:47.119 --> 01:31:56.960
so bright and directional doesn't doesn't make
sense. That's that's all I can say.

1053
01:31:57.000 --> 01:32:00.640
I can't even verbalize like like better
questions about it, but it just

1054
01:32:00.640 --> 01:32:03.359
doesn't mean sense. No, that's
a big one too. And I you

1055
01:32:03.399 --> 01:32:09.600
know, Chris Bosong was on the
other night and his Facebook page. I

1056
01:32:09.640 --> 01:32:12.760
actually dropped a picture where you can
see the sun rays. You said direction,

1057
01:32:12.840 --> 01:32:15.159
and that's actually a very good use
of describing it. That the way

1058
01:32:15.239 --> 01:32:18.279
the rays are coming through. If
it was ninety three million miles away,

1059
01:32:19.239 --> 01:32:25.000
how were those sun rays coming in
in such a small area in a particular

1060
01:32:25.039 --> 01:32:29.920
direction like that? It makes no
sense. Yeah, yeah, and a

1061
01:32:29.920 --> 01:32:33.960
local sun makes perfect sense in that
situation. Yes, yeah, it does.

1062
01:32:34.439 --> 01:32:39.039
And I mean there's more like you
like you mentioned them so well,

1063
01:32:39.119 --> 01:32:42.920
like when you like, why is
your experience like to some exposures, some

1064
01:32:42.960 --> 01:32:48.199
of the different when you change elevation
or yeah, they just don't add up.

1065
01:32:48.600 --> 01:32:51.720
And one of them alone could be
like one of those questions where you're

1066
01:32:51.720 --> 01:32:55.560
like, huh, you know,
and then you just like like, don't

1067
01:32:55.560 --> 01:32:58.680
worry about it. You can scroll
your follow it. When you land them

1068
01:32:58.680 --> 01:33:01.720
all up, it's like maybe I
should stop scrolling my phone for a minute

1069
01:33:01.760 --> 01:33:05.520
and go investigate. Investigated for myself. And one of the simple ones is

1070
01:33:05.920 --> 01:33:10.640
testing the moonlight how it's actually colder
in the moonlight than in the shadows.

1071
01:33:10.680 --> 01:33:14.359
That's something anybody can do in five
minutes. And that should be one of

1072
01:33:14.399 --> 01:33:17.520
those questions that you know, things
that make you say hm hmm, yeah,

1073
01:33:17.560 --> 01:33:20.720
for sure. I'm so glad you
mentioned that because we live in a

1074
01:33:20.760 --> 01:33:24.439
place where we could we could really
do that. I need to go buy

1075
01:33:24.560 --> 01:33:28.479
one of those thermometers and and and
so we shun we can do that experiment

1076
01:33:28.520 --> 01:33:33.800
ourselves. I did. I did
have a couple of closing pods. I

1077
01:33:33.800 --> 01:33:42.439
can I go ahead and share that
with absolutely absolutely, I really do.

1078
01:33:44.800 --> 01:33:54.239
I believe deeply in our creation and
then we were created and we're valued and

1079
01:33:54.359 --> 01:33:59.600
loved by God. We're told God
so loved the whole world that he sent

1080
01:33:59.680 --> 01:34:03.479
us on Jesus Christ like we like, you know, you create something you

1081
01:34:03.520 --> 01:34:06.439
wanted to stay nice, You could
a plant in the ground, you want

1082
01:34:06.479 --> 01:34:11.520
to nurture it, and cultivate it. And God loves us like that,

1083
01:34:11.760 --> 01:34:16.960
only so much better and so much
richer. And he's patient. I think

1084
01:34:17.119 --> 01:34:27.479
sometimes when we sit here and we
consider all the conspiracies in the injustice and

1085
01:34:27.520 --> 01:34:30.760
the uncertainty in the world, it
seems like, well, come on,

1086
01:34:30.920 --> 01:34:33.800
God, like, like what are
like? What's going on here? Like?

1087
01:34:33.840 --> 01:34:38.680
Can we can we get to the
next thing? Sue. But in

1088
01:34:38.760 --> 01:34:44.119
second Peter three nine, it's written
that the Lord is not slow about his

1089
01:34:44.239 --> 01:34:49.079
promise. That's actually a passage about
the great day and in God returning.

1090
01:34:49.760 --> 01:34:55.359
The Lord is not slow about his
promise is some consider slowness, but it's

1091
01:34:55.439 --> 01:34:59.399
patient towards you, not willing for
any to perish, but for all to

1092
01:34:59.439 --> 01:35:04.560
come to reap penance. And I
just think those are just beautiful words.

1093
01:35:04.680 --> 01:35:11.960
And I think that I know that
the invitation is open to anybody who is

1094
01:35:12.119 --> 01:35:18.000
interested in hearing God call to them
and to continue to call them. Maybe

1095
01:35:18.039 --> 01:35:23.479
you already have a relationship, but
He's so patient, and he wants us

1096
01:35:23.479 --> 01:35:29.680
all, He wants us all to
come to him. I also wanted to

1097
01:35:29.720 --> 01:35:38.119
just share that, like we talked
about a second ago, freedom isn't easy

1098
01:35:38.239 --> 01:35:45.319
and it's not free and we gained
our ultimate freedom through Jesus Christ. I

1099
01:35:45.399 --> 01:35:53.800
one hundred percent believe it. In
Galatious, Chapter five, Paul rice,

1100
01:35:53.880 --> 01:35:58.560
it was for freedom that Christ that
is free. Therefore stand for and do

1101
01:35:58.800 --> 01:36:05.239
not be subject again and to yoke
of slavery. Paul's actually plainly referring to

1102
01:36:05.319 --> 01:36:11.640
people who knew exactly who Jesus was, and we're making a conscious decision to

1103
01:36:11.720 --> 01:36:17.439
deny him and to live in opposition
to him. So you know, we

1104
01:36:17.600 --> 01:36:21.359
have access to freedom even in a
world, even if we all end up

1105
01:36:21.359 --> 01:36:30.720
on digital currency. That underlying freedom
is there for us, if we'll,

1106
01:36:30.800 --> 01:36:36.640
if we'll accepted. Later in that
same chapter, I just thought this was

1107
01:36:36.680 --> 01:36:44.800
so fascinating, Paul writes about those
people who are denying Christ. They zealously

1108
01:36:44.880 --> 01:36:48.000
seek you, not commendably, but
they wish to shut you out, so

1109
01:36:48.039 --> 01:36:57.600
you will zealously seek them. And
we're all being zealously sought, being zealously

1110
01:36:57.680 --> 01:37:04.000
sought by all the producers, all
the marketers, all the media, all

1111
01:37:04.039 --> 01:37:10.399
the lies, by our school,
buy the medical system, buying NASSA.

1112
01:37:10.560 --> 01:37:18.319
We're being zealously sought. And realize
it's not it's they're not seeking us because

1113
01:37:18.399 --> 01:37:26.359
of who we are they're seeking us
so that they can empower themselves. So

1114
01:37:26.399 --> 01:37:28.800
we just I just want to encourage
you, if you're a believer, to

1115
01:37:28.840 --> 01:37:32.439
cling to your freedom in Christ,
and if you're not to to investigate that

1116
01:37:32.680 --> 01:37:38.359
and to seek it out. I
have I have two more little verses.

1117
01:37:38.399 --> 01:37:45.479
I want to read it. That's
okay, George absolutely ahead. In Ecclesiastes

1118
01:37:45.640 --> 01:37:54.000
one eighteen, it's written in wisdom, there is much vexation, and whoever

1119
01:37:54.119 --> 01:38:00.399
increases knowledge increases pain. And I
think I got to that point myself.

1120
01:38:00.119 --> 01:38:05.119
You know, when you read the
conspiracies and you understand all the wreckage,

1121
01:38:05.159 --> 01:38:13.000
all the human wreckage in our history, it's can need you feeling pretty and

1122
01:38:13.000 --> 01:38:20.640
creed, and that's and that's acknowledged. I think that it's also it's not

1123
01:38:20.720 --> 01:38:26.319
written in those words, but I
think it's an encouragement to be comfortable,

1124
01:38:26.600 --> 01:38:30.359
not always seeking more knowledge. I
think there's I think there's an unwritten encouragement

1125
01:38:30.479 --> 01:38:38.199
to just be and to just rest. That that is powerful. Ecclesiastes uh

1126
01:38:38.520 --> 01:38:44.239
one eighteen, for in much wisdom
is much grief, and he that increases

1127
01:38:44.399 --> 01:38:48.760
knowledge increases sorrow. And boy,
that is so on point, because really,

1128
01:38:49.239 --> 01:38:51.600
well you know, I think I've
said this before. When you start

1129
01:38:51.600 --> 01:38:56.479
to go down the rabbit holes,
you think it's cool when you connect dots,

1130
01:38:56.520 --> 01:38:59.760
but then there comes the other level. For instance, when I had

1131
01:38:59.840 --> 01:39:03.520
the son of a firefighter from nine
to eleven on that these rabbit hole there's

1132
01:39:03.640 --> 01:39:09.159
people who suffered during these things,
and it's and more than that, obviously,

1133
01:39:09.560 --> 01:39:14.159
but wisdom does. It's heavy and
it's powerful, and maybe that's the

1134
01:39:14.199 --> 01:39:16.479
reason why some people would rather just
as they say, take the bluepill.

1135
01:39:18.840 --> 01:39:26.119
Yeah, yeah, for sure.
And then the last word I wanted to

1136
01:39:26.159 --> 01:39:31.560
share. It's also from the Book
of Ecclesiastes. The end of the matter

1137
01:39:32.760 --> 01:39:38.439
all that has been heard, fear
God and keep his commandments, because this

1138
01:39:38.560 --> 01:39:44.640
is the end of the matter for
all mankind. And again I think that

1139
01:39:44.680 --> 01:39:48.720
there's an encouragement there to kind of
ride the way through life. We have

1140
01:39:48.840 --> 01:39:54.399
to navigate. This is the world
we're in. But the end of the

1141
01:39:54.479 --> 01:40:00.600
matter for all on mankind is to
fear God and keep his commandments. It's

1142
01:40:00.680 --> 01:40:02.760
really well said, and I couldn't
think of a better way to wrap this

1143
01:40:02.920 --> 01:40:10.359
up. And I'll have these verses
through Bible dot Com. I'll link them

1144
01:40:10.399 --> 01:40:13.039
in there for you to check out. The last one you just read.

1145
01:40:13.159 --> 01:40:19.079
You have the chapter and the verse, I sure do. It's Ecclesiastes twelve

1146
01:40:19.199 --> 01:40:27.640
thirteen. Thanks, got it?
Yeah, really well done. I can't

1147
01:40:27.640 --> 01:40:30.279
thank you so much for your time
and sharing your story. And there's so

1148
01:40:30.359 --> 01:40:33.960
much to think about, and I
could sit here and single out so many

1149
01:40:34.000 --> 01:40:39.800
things that you said tonight, but
the one thing on top I mean,

1150
01:40:39.840 --> 01:40:44.640
obviously you know, the spiritual and
Jesus and everything else, which is forefront

1151
01:40:45.359 --> 01:40:49.920
the most important thing. In addition
to that, just taking time to think

1152
01:40:50.199 --> 01:40:55.680
and spend some time to yourself without
the constant input of you know, the

1153
01:40:55.960 --> 01:40:59.760
earbuds, because I think a lot
of us do that. We're constantly we're

1154
01:40:59.800 --> 01:41:04.199
so in search of truth, we're
constantly you know, listening and digesting and

1155
01:41:04.239 --> 01:41:09.319
reading. I think what you said
is very important that you have to take

1156
01:41:09.359 --> 01:41:12.399
time, go set up a chair
out in the garage, or take a

1157
01:41:12.439 --> 01:41:15.239
walk, sit down by the creek
and just think and process all the information

1158
01:41:15.279 --> 01:41:18.920
that you've taken in and to make
sense of it. So it's just you've

1159
01:41:18.920 --> 01:41:23.600
been a joy to have on here
tonight, and I can't thank you enough

1160
01:41:23.800 --> 01:41:28.960
for your thoughts and your time.
Thank you so much, George, this

1161
01:41:29.039 --> 01:41:32.199
has been really a delight to share. Thank you, You're quite welcome,

1162
01:41:32.520 --> 01:41:35.399
and ladies and gentlemen, stay tuned
for a brief message. One of our

1163
01:41:35.439 --> 01:41:40.239
listeners, or i should say one
of our previous guests, has written a

1164
01:41:40.239 --> 01:41:44.000
book which will be out in the
very near future, so check that out.

1165
01:41:44.399 --> 01:41:46.079
And then, of course I want
to thank everybody, all the previous

1166
01:41:46.159 --> 01:41:50.800
guests, and be safe as we
continue to drudge on through winter. Be

1167
01:41:50.880 --> 01:41:54.399
safe, God bless you, keep
your head on a swivel, and until

1168
01:41:54.399 --> 01:42:03.920
we meet again, my friends,
we will see y. Despite being one

1169
01:42:03.920 --> 01:42:10.119
of the most well documented and discussed
periods of history, the true roots of

1170
01:42:10.159 --> 01:42:15.680
the French Revolution and Napoleonic era remains
largely obscured. As his book will make

1171
01:42:15.720 --> 01:42:25.159
abundantly clear that is no mere accident. Discover the conspiracy at the heart of

1172
01:42:25.199 --> 01:42:30.720
one of the bloodiest eras in human
history in Anatomy of a Revolution, The

1173
01:42:30.760 --> 01:42:40.920
True Story of the French Revolution and
Napoleonic Wars by Scipio Eruditis, available exclusively

1174
01:42:41.560 --> 01:43:08.760
at the Firmamental podcast dot com.
I know it's been a struggle. I

1175
01:43:08.960 --> 01:43:16.920
know you've had Spain. I know
you feel tired, held down by all

1176
01:43:17.000 --> 01:43:25.800
the way yeah, I know you
feel it more you smile, ain't the

1177
01:43:26.159 --> 01:43:36.399
same? That's all way go from. You feel like you've lost your way.

1178
01:43:35.640 --> 01:43:43.239
Don't give it, no, don't
give it but never this home.

1179
01:43:43.399 --> 01:43:48.000
Don't let call the primise it ain't
done yet. He's got a glad.

1180
01:43:48.600 --> 01:43:58.560
Why it's away time? God up? May me come? Why wait?

1181
01:43:59.600 --> 01:44:13.920
God recall? I can see the
straight beside you. Child's are putting up

1182
01:44:14.000 --> 01:44:19.439
five. Oh, you're stronger than
a thing. You are. Yeah,

1183
01:44:19.600 --> 01:44:29.800
you're gonna be all right. You're
accepting a dead found beautiful. You're shoving

1184
01:44:30.279 --> 01:44:36.479
ride. Yeah, you're living,
breathing, moving, you can hold your

1185
01:44:36.600 --> 01:44:45.880
head a pie. Don't give up, No, don't give in nevertheless,

1186
01:44:45.960 --> 01:44:51.600
hold don't they gone on? The
primis me ain't done Yet's God, I'm

1187
01:44:51.760 --> 01:44:59.159
letting winds a way down, the
God of Merica. Don't give up,

1188
01:44:59.479 --> 01:45:03.760
not, don't give in you never
love home, don't let go on the

1189
01:45:03.800 --> 01:45:11.479
primis It ain't doun likeness worth living
in? What's a play down? The

1190
01:45:11.680 --> 01:45:23.880
God of Baby called? Why s
pray down? God saving cold? Oh?

1191
01:45:24.079 --> 01:45:32.800
Yes, what a pray now?
The God baby call? Oh yeah,

1192
01:45:34.680 --> 01:45:47.920
got TV coll Oh, don't give
up, No, don't give in.

1193
01:45:49.159 --> 01:45:55.720
Never lose, so do they go
the primise I mean, and they's

1194
01:45:55.960 --> 01:46:02.680
got up playing watch God does if
it comes. Don't give up, no

1195
01:46:02.960 --> 01:46:09.560
dog, give any but never this
hole. Don't let go of the times

1196
01:46:10.119 --> 01:46:17.359
getting done of his for living Watson, and do the God of every cols

1197
01:46:23.239 --> 01:46:42.560
ah, the god of needs cos
whaits dog, god of a you're listening

1198
01:46:42.560 --> 01:46:48.520
to the Fact Hunter Radio Network.
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