WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.080 --> 00:00:04.360 It's the dawn of a new year here in total NonStop Hogan. It's two 2 00:00:04.400 --> 00:00:12.919 thousand and twelve, ten years TNA Wrestling has been in existence. God, 3 00:00:13.000 --> 00:00:20.039 you'd think you'd think they've been fucking working for what fifteen minutes. There's a 4 00:00:20.039 --> 00:00:23.039 Slam Aniversary, if you will, coming at about the midpoint of the year, 5 00:00:23.920 --> 00:00:26.800 and the first six months of two twelve will be in focus for us 6 00:00:26.879 --> 00:00:32.200 here as the Hulkster, entering his second year under TENA employee, or at 7 00:00:32.280 --> 00:00:37.000 least as an on screen TENA presence, is about to enter a new phase. 8 00:00:38.399 --> 00:00:42.880 We've talked a lot over the years and covering whole Coogan's career about different 9 00:00:42.880 --> 00:00:47.159 iterations of him being something of a general manager figure an administrator. All the 10 00:00:47.159 --> 00:00:49.840 way back in nineteen ninety nine. Vince Rousseau had that in mind for him 11 00:00:49.840 --> 00:00:55.439 when he took over. Sure, and it always ends up with the Hulkster 12 00:00:56.479 --> 00:01:00.840 somehow getting into a situation where the belt is involved and he's still teasing a 13 00:01:00.880 --> 00:01:06.079 match or wrestling a match. No matter how much bookers have tried to reposition 14 00:01:06.120 --> 00:01:10.319 and recast him into a general manager type role, it's just the nature of 15 00:01:10.480 --> 00:01:11.120 the Hulkster. I mean he's going to look to the left. He's going 16 00:01:11.200 --> 00:01:15.480 to look to the right. It's just the nature of Hulkamania exactly. I 17 00:01:15.480 --> 00:01:17.799 mean, you know, people keep thinking this thing's dead, right, People 18 00:01:17.879 --> 00:01:19.159 keep wanting to marry this thing. People keep wanting to right. This thing's 19 00:01:19.159 --> 00:01:23.760 abtuary dialing this thing in, dude, but the thing just keeps getting dialed 20 00:01:23.799 --> 00:01:29.920 in. Last time we were you wait, last time we were with you. 21 00:01:29.959 --> 00:01:32.799 On TNH, the Holkster did get back into the ring for a fight, 22 00:01:32.840 --> 00:01:37.879 not a match, of course, against sting at Bound for Glory two 23 00:01:37.879 --> 00:01:45.079 thousand and eleven, But two twelve is really the year Boss or hul Cogan 24 00:01:45.200 --> 00:01:51.400 just puts down, puts down the tools, so to speak, and actually 25 00:01:51.519 --> 00:01:57.680 dives entirely into a role as as mouthpiece, as administrator, as general manager. 26 00:01:57.920 --> 00:02:08.639 And the results well they're not necessarily pretty thoughts um. I mean, 27 00:02:09.719 --> 00:02:15.800 it's it's not even that it's not pretty. It's just like, I honestly 28 00:02:15.879 --> 00:02:22.639 feel that it's just the same shit over and over and over and over again. 29 00:02:22.759 --> 00:02:25.080 It give me an it give me an extra polution, an exposition. 30 00:02:25.120 --> 00:02:30.159 What is the thing they keep telling us over and over again, that that 31 00:02:30.159 --> 00:02:46.120 that the only thing that's worthwhile. Our backstage segments featuring Hulk Coogan, that's 32 00:02:46.159 --> 00:02:50.960 it, backstage segments where he is or or a Hogan for that matter. 33 00:02:51.039 --> 00:02:54.159 You know, doesn't have to be Hulkogan these days. Ah Hogan. Um 34 00:02:54.240 --> 00:03:01.759 you know where where he's he's talking nonsense. He's he's he's like he's supposedly 35 00:03:01.840 --> 00:03:06.919 making matchups that we all want to see. Right, he's in charge of 36 00:03:06.960 --> 00:03:08.319 the business. Yet he doesn't want to be in charge of the business. 37 00:03:08.360 --> 00:03:14.439 Brother, and I mean we're back, it's January fourth all over again. 38 00:03:15.000 --> 00:03:20.000 It's no no joke, like literally it comes down to that, and he 39 00:03:20.039 --> 00:03:23.520 plays the whole fuckingle brother. Dude, Dude, I'll bend down this rule 40 00:03:23.599 --> 00:03:24.719 before, brother, and I don't. I just don't want to do that. 41 00:03:24.800 --> 00:03:30.120 Dude. Well it's the wheelhole who and now that's the he is, 42 00:03:30.680 --> 00:03:34.479 you know, broke in the chains from Eric Bischoff. Do you do you 43 00:03:34.599 --> 00:03:38.120 understand? This is what I don't mean me understand the whole time we've been 44 00:03:38.120 --> 00:03:43.240 seeing the real hullk Cogan, all right, the Hulk Hogan that that that 45 00:03:43.360 --> 00:03:46.639 goes one way one time and goes one way the other way, then combined 46 00:03:46.759 --> 00:03:51.719 the two then Criss crosses one way, that makes random decisions and then and 47 00:03:51.840 --> 00:03:53.560 in the end, all he does is have his hand raised because he wons 48 00:03:53.560 --> 00:03:58.039 something. The Hulk Hogan who licks the tip of his index finger and puts 49 00:03:58.039 --> 00:04:02.039 it to the fucking wind right right, and whichever way, whichever way he 50 00:04:02.080 --> 00:04:05.199 needs to go in that direction, whichever way Hulk Hogan needs to go, 51 00:04:05.599 --> 00:04:10.919 he'll go in that direction because it benefits him. Reason for optimism coming off 52 00:04:10.919 --> 00:04:14.319 that, you know, stirring reaction from the Philadelphia crowd against ing it down 53 00:04:14.319 --> 00:04:17.560 for glory. I mean, no, you didn't come into our embarking on 54 00:04:17.560 --> 00:04:20.600 a new year of TNA with a renewed hope that, now that Hogan has 55 00:04:20.639 --> 00:04:24.720 dialed it in as a baby face in the TNA banner that No, it 56 00:04:24.800 --> 00:04:28.959 might be better television. No, I mean I listen, listen say it. 57 00:04:29.360 --> 00:04:31.519 He's not good television. What he's Hulk Cogan? What the fuck are 58 00:04:31.519 --> 00:04:34.560 you talking about? He's not good Listen. We've said it before, I'll 59 00:04:34.600 --> 00:04:39.519 say it again. If he's not wrestling, he's not worth shit. Wow, 60 00:04:39.800 --> 00:04:41.639 you can't him and have him on the show. Try to get other 61 00:04:41.680 --> 00:04:46.839 talent over. Listen, he just he Yes, I would love for that 62 00:04:46.920 --> 00:04:53.199 to be the case, but it ain't gonna happen with all conh Are we 63 00:04:53.319 --> 00:04:57.800 arriving at the central thesis of this massive journey that we've found ourselves in the 64 00:04:57.800 --> 00:05:01.319 middle of, like a like suddenly we're in the st enter of a whirling 65 00:05:01.399 --> 00:05:08.680 dervish. I think that might be the point. And so here look, 66 00:05:09.240 --> 00:05:14.959 unvarnished Hogan is a GM Does it work? No? And why can't we 67 00:05:15.000 --> 00:05:18.839 say that so categorically? Well? And no small part because around this point 68 00:05:18.920 --> 00:05:24.120 in two thousand and twelve, the Pro Wrestling Torch covered published rather a very 69 00:05:24.120 --> 00:05:29.600 diligent study of Impact Wrestling ratings patterns dating back to really the whole existence of 70 00:05:29.639 --> 00:05:34.240 the company, but certainly pre during, and not quite post the Whole Cogan 71 00:05:34.279 --> 00:05:40.879 era in TNA. And it reads like this, one point zero six. 72 00:05:41.560 --> 00:05:43.839 Wait a minute, let's dial it back even further. Brother, let's right 73 00:05:43.959 --> 00:05:47.279 dial this thing in dude. Two thousand and seven, a full three years 74 00:05:47.279 --> 00:05:51.639 before Whole Cogan gets to TNA, the show averaged a one point zero five 75 00:05:51.759 --> 00:05:57.319 rating on Spike TV. According to this Torch analysis. Two thousand and eight, 76 00:05:57.319 --> 00:05:59.959 it went up just a smidge to one point six as an average right 77 00:06:00.199 --> 00:06:04.319 over the fifty two weeks. It was on two thousand and nine before Hulkogan's 78 00:06:04.360 --> 00:06:12.480 arrival, average rating was a one point one five significant jump twenty ten, 79 00:06:13.800 --> 00:06:17.560 as we've documented for many reasons, namely a disastrous experiment to move to Monday 80 00:06:17.639 --> 00:06:20.800 nights for a couple of months, which let the Hulkogan, in his first 81 00:06:20.839 --> 00:06:25.480 match in TNA doing the all time record low rating for any impact ever on 82 00:06:25.560 --> 00:06:30.279 Spider two thousand and ten, came in at one point zero six. You 83 00:06:30.360 --> 00:06:34.600 did. You're saying all these numbers, brother, But see what you don't 84 00:06:34.680 --> 00:06:38.480 understand. It is the business, dude. You haven't want looked a territory. 85 00:06:39.319 --> 00:06:42.279 You haven't been at the top. You haven't wrestled a giant in front 86 00:06:42.319 --> 00:06:46.160 of one hundred thousand people. You haven't wrestled Anoki in front of six million 87 00:06:46.160 --> 00:06:50.439 people, brother, And so what you don't understand are the little nuances right 88 00:06:50.839 --> 00:06:54.920 that really make this business run, really make this business take, make the 89 00:06:54.959 --> 00:06:58.199 people tick. And here you are rating off numbers, brother, like I'm 90 00:06:58.199 --> 00:07:02.600 supposed to be impressed numbers, brother, exactly, that's the question. You 91 00:07:02.720 --> 00:07:06.079 got my number? Brother? What I have your number? It's right here, 92 00:07:06.160 --> 00:07:13.759 dude, I'm gonna call you you what what you live on? Willowdell? 93 00:07:13.839 --> 00:07:16.000 Right, Terry, what are you used to? What do you brother? 94 00:07:16.120 --> 00:07:20.480 What do you do? What? Why? Why? Well, that's 95 00:07:20.519 --> 00:07:26.040 a difficult question to answer. You tell me, dude, what how's twenty 96 00:07:26.040 --> 00:07:30.160 twelve going for you? Hoaxter, I'm sure? What so? One point 97 00:07:30.199 --> 00:07:34.720 one one point one five O nine before Hogan, one point zero six with 98 00:07:34.839 --> 00:07:38.079 Hogan. Now, you know, we can adjust for, like I said, 99 00:07:38.079 --> 00:07:40.600 a lot of those experiments, a lot of things, you know, 100 00:07:40.759 --> 00:07:46.800 upending and complicating the sort of you know, routine appointment viewing that that wrestling 101 00:07:46.839 --> 00:07:50.439 relies on. You know, being at a certain time at a certain place 102 00:07:51.560 --> 00:07:55.240 helps a lot. And so when you're playing around with the schedule, playing 103 00:07:55.279 --> 00:07:57.600 around with the night of the week, it's to be expected. So the 104 00:07:57.639 --> 00:08:01.199 next year, which we just finished chronicling here on TNH twenty eleven, the 105 00:08:01.240 --> 00:08:05.399 average rating for TNA on Spike Drop goes up rather pardon to a one point 106 00:08:05.399 --> 00:08:11.680 one seven. That is the highest yearly average since two thousand and seven one 107 00:08:11.720 --> 00:08:15.079 point five one point six, one point one five, one point six, 108 00:08:15.079 --> 00:08:16.600 and then in two thousand and eleven and one point one seven. Now it's 109 00:08:16.639 --> 00:08:22.560 time to really dial this thing in we've got moment brother Bobby Heal turn new 110 00:08:22.639 --> 00:08:26.800 champion? Who are you dialing? Brother killed in his baby face? And 111 00:08:26.879 --> 00:08:31.639 of course the biggest ratings mover Garrett Bischoff's debut and t what's the problem with 112 00:08:31.679 --> 00:08:39.000 the tattoo that'sa Bischoff on it? And with the Garrett's position tattoos? Yes, 113 00:08:39.600 --> 00:08:43.000 what what's wrong with the kid? He's trying hard? Listen, you 114 00:08:43.039 --> 00:08:52.480 know what, I actually don't mind um, I actually don't mind that he's 115 00:08:52.519 --> 00:08:56.759 in a position where he could be because actually I don't mind him. Actually 116 00:08:56.759 --> 00:09:00.480 I don't. I don't think he's bad. There you go. What what 117 00:09:00.679 --> 00:09:07.840 bothers me is that they pushed him up to be this scrappy motherfucker in no 118 00:09:07.000 --> 00:09:11.840 time, you know, like they could have his story actually could have meant 119 00:09:11.879 --> 00:09:16.200 something if they let him just kind of be whatever, like kind of just 120 00:09:16.279 --> 00:09:18.080 work. But it's it's the problem is it takes a year or two to 121 00:09:18.120 --> 00:09:22.320 do that. You're going to do that for a year. You have to 122 00:09:22.320 --> 00:09:28.159 make people believe that he can do shit. You know, we didn't really 123 00:09:28.200 --> 00:09:30.279 have a reason to believe that. I don't think at this point, not 124 00:09:30.399 --> 00:09:35.720 at all. It's a complete fraud. I don't go that far. A 125 00:09:35.799 --> 00:09:39.720 complete partial fraud. I understand, it's a bunch of bullshit. I was 126 00:09:39.759 --> 00:09:41.600 like, I was just thinking, you know, he could he could have 127 00:09:41.679 --> 00:09:50.440 easily um done some not easily. I mean you just again, you had 128 00:09:50.440 --> 00:09:52.399 to you had to think about it. It had to be thought of, 129 00:09:52.480 --> 00:09:58.440 It had to be you know, it couldn't be this this the way that 130 00:09:58.480 --> 00:10:01.399 it happened. Like all you had to do was I mean, all you 131 00:10:01.440 --> 00:10:05.879 had to do again, you know this is but you couldn't push him the 132 00:10:05.879 --> 00:10:07.320 way that he was pushed. If you wanted him to be get to that 133 00:10:07.360 --> 00:10:11.080 point, you had to let him, you know, trans transition out of 134 00:10:11.080 --> 00:10:15.120 this referee thing and then basically work from the ground up, Yeah, and 135 00:10:15.159 --> 00:10:18.480 work his way and then in a year you could have these this this whole 136 00:10:18.799 --> 00:10:22.000 uh. You know, you got to have him lose for for a couple 137 00:10:22.000 --> 00:10:26.440 of months and then you got to kind of really let him slowly build up 138 00:10:26.480 --> 00:10:31.159 this kind of scrappy, you know, underdog thing for it to really matter, 139 00:10:31.960 --> 00:10:37.919 because you know, then it just doesn't just who cares? It sucks? 140 00:10:37.399 --> 00:10:41.639 Yeah, they do. Um, they assume a lot about the degree 141 00:10:41.639 --> 00:10:46.480 to which we're going to carry Yeah about him just because he's punching arrow Fish 142 00:10:46.519 --> 00:10:50.320 off in the face. I mean, Frank wants that. Nobody wants that. 143 00:10:50.320 --> 00:10:52.360 Every wants punched bish off in the face by this point, all right. 144 00:10:52.399 --> 00:10:58.720 And also nobody wants him to be this this thing. No one wants 145 00:10:58.799 --> 00:11:05.519 him to be there, like just you don't let him be, let them 146 00:11:05.600 --> 00:11:09.399 let him just figure it out. Well, it's um, he'll figure it 147 00:11:09.399 --> 00:11:13.720 out, all right, but he'll figure it out under the fucking tutelage of 148 00:11:13.799 --> 00:11:16.840 Hulk Cogan, because we're we're gonna aim low here in terms of how we 149 00:11:16.919 --> 00:11:20.000 frame him. Nothing short of Hulk Hogan's protege, which is a great way 150 00:11:20.000 --> 00:11:22.559 to get started for one Garat Bischof. So this is all part of the 151 00:11:22.600 --> 00:11:28.519 soup that is early twenty twelve TNA, and you know, Hull Cogan and 152 00:11:28.519 --> 00:11:31.759 adjacent characters. I think what I find the more I think about it, 153 00:11:31.799 --> 00:11:35.840 the more time passes, kind of most objectionable about Garat Bischof is again not 154 00:11:35.960 --> 00:11:41.480 his performance. I think he's very capable and interesting to watch develop. It 155 00:11:41.559 --> 00:11:46.039 just still bothers me that they maye TNA pay for his wrestling school. I 156 00:11:46.039 --> 00:11:48.600 don't know why that bothered me, but it's so because because it's just easy. 157 00:11:48.679 --> 00:11:52.759 You know, you get these guys who have been working on this company 158 00:11:52.919 --> 00:12:00.840 forever, all right, and who who been working their asses off to become 159 00:12:01.279 --> 00:12:09.679 anything. And you know, Bischoff's kid bypasses the whole system. I mean 160 00:12:09.840 --> 00:12:16.919 pretty much, he did certain things to kind of try to make him less 161 00:12:16.960 --> 00:12:22.360 impeachable than the typical you know, nepotism higher and wrestling. It doesn't you 162 00:12:22.360 --> 00:12:24.639 know, the problem is, it doesn't matter unless you see this guy working 163 00:12:24.679 --> 00:12:28.720 his butt off week by week. It does not matter. Right, He's 164 00:12:28.720 --> 00:12:35.240 got it right, He's there, right, you know, but you're just 165 00:12:35.320 --> 00:12:37.960 like, you know, you're getting paid four hundred and fifty grand, Eric, 166 00:12:39.039 --> 00:12:41.799 Like, why do they have to spring for a few thousand dollars for 167 00:12:43.000 --> 00:12:45.919 his wrestling school that he's already incurred the costs of that? That to me 168 00:12:46.039 --> 00:12:48.559 is a red flag, Like why does that have to be in the contract? 169 00:12:48.559 --> 00:12:50.480 What's going on here? Like? Why be Nickel and Diamond? I 170 00:12:50.480 --> 00:12:54.519 don't get it. I think about everybody else on roster who you know, 171 00:12:54.639 --> 00:12:56.919 in a lot of cases, Ward would come out that a lot of these 172 00:12:56.919 --> 00:12:58.840 people who want television every single week are making so little from TNA that there's 173 00:12:58.840 --> 00:13:03.080 still holding down part time jobs when they're not in Orlando. Yeah, you 174 00:13:03.080 --> 00:13:07.159 think they got their wrestling school paid for, especially retroactively. But I don't 175 00:13:07.279 --> 00:13:11.240 understand that it's the EP's son. Well, exactly why he shouldn't need to 176 00:13:11.279 --> 00:13:15.360 have this type of son. No, come on, man, he this 177 00:13:15.440 --> 00:13:18.000 is the guy. This is the son of the guy who's turning business around. 178 00:13:20.159 --> 00:13:22.320 Well, we'll get to this. He's the EP in that spirit. 179 00:13:22.879 --> 00:13:28.440 Ep Son one point one seven average for twenty eleven twenty twelve, one point 180 00:13:28.559 --> 00:13:35.039 zero two average. How about the lowest since at least two thousand and seven. 181 00:13:35.759 --> 00:13:39.399 I mean, I'm not surprised. And this is with them going live 182 00:13:39.799 --> 00:13:43.759 for the whole summer on Thursday nights and moving their start time to eight pm 183 00:13:43.799 --> 00:13:46.440 from nine pm, which sounds like a thing that should strengthen the number, 184 00:13:46.480 --> 00:13:48.759 but I guess it. You could also argue a week in the number. 185 00:13:48.840 --> 00:13:54.159 That's fine. So it is one of those sort of aberrant changes. But 186 00:13:54.279 --> 00:13:58.039 I'm here to tell you that if you're paying Hogan to buck five, you're 187 00:13:58.039 --> 00:14:03.120 paying Bischoff half a million. Huh, you shouldn't be doing the lowest average 188 00:14:03.200 --> 00:14:07.440 rating over twelve months that you did since two since going on Spike. As 189 00:14:07.480 --> 00:14:11.360 far as I can tell, or as far as I fucking care, well, 190 00:14:11.440 --> 00:14:13.399 the business is cyclical, so yeah, you can turn things around. 191 00:14:13.399 --> 00:14:18.000 I'm gonna dig in, brother to what happened at the top, because we 192 00:14:18.039 --> 00:14:20.519 know what do you think? Goo is out as of the dawn of twenty 193 00:14:20.639 --> 00:14:24.000 twelve. About time Jesus Christ Pritchard moves in, takes overhead of talent relations, 194 00:14:24.000 --> 00:14:28.759 takes over ahead of what's that. I'll take Russo. Actually, we 195 00:14:28.840 --> 00:14:31.879 heard Russo last week on the show or two weeks ago now on T ANDH 196 00:14:31.960 --> 00:14:37.519 sort of wringing his hands about you know the way Bruce Prichard reneuvered himself into 197 00:14:37.519 --> 00:14:39.840 the good graces of Dixie and pretty soon even though I brought him in, 198 00:14:39.919 --> 00:14:43.559 bro because I felt bad for him. Bro, he's out of fucking position. 199 00:14:43.919 --> 00:14:50.679 Bishoff, lurking bishoff, getting this lucrative deal in February twenty eleven to 200 00:14:50.720 --> 00:14:54.399 be executive producer Bishop Hervey Entertainment. So many responsibilities, so many duties, 201 00:14:54.440 --> 00:14:58.240 none of which he wanted, right of course, not No, I didn't 202 00:14:58.240 --> 00:15:01.559 want anything. Not only did I not have not only did I not make 203 00:15:01.600 --> 00:15:05.519 that decision. I wouldn't want to make that decision. 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Brook Hogan is brought in by 338 00:24:25.880 --> 00:24:27.400 Dixie Carter as the head of the Knockouts. She's essentially, you know, 339 00:24:27.720 --> 00:24:30.319 to the women's division what Hulk Coogan is to the men's division and ta and 340 00:24:30.400 --> 00:24:37.640 she hears wrestlers complain and jockey and politic and campaign and makes decisions about who's 341 00:24:37.640 --> 00:24:40.160 going to wrestle who and what's best for the division and blah, but he 342 00:24:40.240 --> 00:24:44.240 blah blah blah, and she sits in that fucking office that everyone apparently shares, 343 00:24:44.640 --> 00:24:47.359 right, you know, does anyone have their own office or is it 344 00:24:47.440 --> 00:24:53.559 just like literally this one fucking place that they all just keep on fucking gravitating 345 00:24:53.599 --> 00:24:57.279 towards that? Whatever happened to that relatively modern looking office space that Hogan and 346 00:24:57.319 --> 00:25:00.759 Bischoff were in in the first two years of TENA No, this is that 347 00:25:00.880 --> 00:25:03.680 one? Um, this is that that shitty one that they've been doing ever 348 00:25:03.759 --> 00:25:08.039 since, ever since twenty ten. Yeah, it just looks like essentially like 349 00:25:08.119 --> 00:25:11.799 a like, I know, a construction trail or on a construction site. 350 00:25:12.000 --> 00:25:18.279 It might be where the clerk of the works keeps the books. And Jesus 351 00:25:18.359 --> 00:25:22.200 Christ, if there was a business about that, ye aren't they all clerk 352 00:25:22.240 --> 00:25:27.079 of the works When it gets right down to it, Yeah, isn't that? 353 00:25:27.119 --> 00:25:33.680 A isn't that a business? Hot dog order? I would say, 354 00:25:33.759 --> 00:25:38.240 you know, whenever whenever a biss gets any kind of a food with condiments, 355 00:25:38.880 --> 00:25:41.200 they call it. They doley call him the clerk of the works. 356 00:25:41.359 --> 00:25:47.599 Should I say, just Jesus? Because there is no Abyss in TNA in 357 00:25:47.599 --> 00:25:52.119 twenty twelve, Joseph park Esquire, Oh my god, I don't know. 358 00:25:52.559 --> 00:25:56.000 We're not going to get into much of that because, you know, as 359 00:25:56.079 --> 00:25:59.359 much as a business Heather to Hull Cogan throughout the course of TNAH, Really, 360 00:25:59.440 --> 00:26:02.359 the Joseph storyline had little to do with Hulk Coogan, so we can 361 00:26:02.759 --> 00:26:03.920 thankfully leave that to the side. We can also leave to the side that 362 00:26:04.000 --> 00:26:08.480 Dixie Carter Clear Lynch aj Styles love Triangle. I don't know if you caught 363 00:26:08.480 --> 00:26:11.480 any whiff of that. I got a little bit of that, and I 364 00:26:11.720 --> 00:26:15.559 really and I was I'm glad that there's none of that ship because I really 365 00:26:15.640 --> 00:26:18.039 can't. Yeah, there's a lot of things TNA did in twenty twelve that 366 00:26:18.039 --> 00:26:21.279 we're just not going to deal with. Can we also can we also get 367 00:26:21.440 --> 00:26:26.079 Hull Coogan away from Rick Flair? No, it's really getting boring. He's 368 00:26:26.079 --> 00:26:30.920 like trusts to make Hogan interesting. When push comes to Shah, it is 369 00:26:30.079 --> 00:26:37.599 so fucking dull. It's been NonStop Hogan Flair NonStop. I mean, how 370 00:26:37.640 --> 00:26:40.839 many more times on TNA television do I have to hear Rick Flair go to 371 00:26:40.960 --> 00:26:45.319 the I've hated you for thirty years. I mean, he just loved him 372 00:26:45.359 --> 00:26:48.559 for fucking thirty years, though in twenty eleven it felt like thirty years. 373 00:26:48.759 --> 00:26:52.799 Yeah, he said it. He literally said it. He said, oh 374 00:26:52.960 --> 00:26:56.119 my god, I love this guy for thirty years and I've been friends for 375 00:26:56.279 --> 00:26:59.480 thirty years. You know. Then it's like okay. So then he turns. 376 00:26:59.720 --> 00:27:03.279 He Hogan turned to baby face, and all of a sudden, it's 377 00:27:03.319 --> 00:27:06.759 the other way around. And how he fuck he's hated him for thirty years. 378 00:27:07.200 --> 00:27:08.880 I feel like it's far should have like a glass window in front of 379 00:27:08.880 --> 00:27:11.880 his face, and you know what it should say on it, boss, 380 00:27:12.880 --> 00:27:19.000 what break in case of emergency? Yeah, seriously, because that's really what 381 00:27:19.119 --> 00:27:23.599 he's here for now, is to rescue Hulkogan from the dull rooms of minimum 382 00:27:23.680 --> 00:27:26.680 impact. I mean that average rating for twenty twelve. I just read to 383 00:27:26.680 --> 00:27:30.559 you that's with Hulkogan on the show like three or four times again. Can 384 00:27:30.599 --> 00:27:33.000 you can you repeat it again? Please? I forget the number already, 385 00:27:33.039 --> 00:27:37.680 the number for twenty twelve. Yes, it's one point zero two average rating 386 00:27:37.680 --> 00:27:40.480 over twelve months. That's a problem, down from one point one seven. 387 00:27:40.759 --> 00:27:44.880 What's a problemist? I can see since twenty seven he's is building things back 388 00:27:44.960 --> 00:27:48.359 up, started stopping such a bitch, I know, and just deal with 389 00:27:48.400 --> 00:27:51.319 the fact that he's money. Deal with the fact that when they went live 390 00:27:51.400 --> 00:27:55.119 for this like Summer Fight Night, Summer Spectacular, they dropped below one again 391 00:27:55.440 --> 00:27:57.240 in Jill, June and July, and then in September they were down and 392 00:27:57.279 --> 00:28:02.200 they never got I mean, it just goes to show you this, Okay, 393 00:28:03.559 --> 00:28:07.440 hul Cogan means nothing. If you don't have a marketing machine behind him, 394 00:28:07.440 --> 00:28:11.160 means nothing, if you don't have one opponent and one feud and one 395 00:28:11.359 --> 00:28:15.599 peak in mind, means nothing. If you try to like take his cash 396 00:28:15.680 --> 00:28:18.759 at whatever it was in twenty twelve and just and just scatter shot it all 397 00:28:18.799 --> 00:28:25.680 over the roster, expect him to, you know, exactly like what he's 398 00:28:25.720 --> 00:28:27.759 just sitting there and if you make a speech, to see the consequence of 399 00:28:27.839 --> 00:28:32.640 what he's saying. Though it's like it's it's more than that though, because 400 00:28:32.640 --> 00:28:36.400 it's like they're they're basically expecting him to just go out there and and start 401 00:28:36.480 --> 00:28:38.519 and then they're going to start counting money. And that's not the way you 402 00:28:38.559 --> 00:28:45.920 work with anybody. You really can't expect that. You gotta you get Apparently 403 00:28:45.960 --> 00:28:48.200 you don't expect it when they sell you that bill of goods. That's the 404 00:28:48.319 --> 00:28:52.759 thing, I guess. And he's about to start running out of chances to 405 00:28:53.519 --> 00:28:57.920 revitalize those original talking points and speak to momentum and getting the thing back on 406 00:28:59.000 --> 00:29:00.559 track and everything else. So that's all still to come. We don't want 407 00:29:00.559 --> 00:29:03.720 to repeat ourselves, but hey, if TENA forces us to, we're gonna 408 00:29:03.720 --> 00:29:10.160 fucking do it over and over and over again. Um. But we mentioned 409 00:29:10.279 --> 00:29:14.799 under the cinemat because we broke with the Marine Journey just quickly. Because as 410 00:29:14.839 --> 00:29:18.759 you realized by if brook Hogan's going to become part of the TNH conversation, 411 00:29:18.119 --> 00:29:22.839 we need to get to her filmography because it doesn't and it does exist. 412 00:29:22.920 --> 00:29:26.920 And also this is the this is the movie that she that was released the 413 00:29:26.079 --> 00:29:29.920 year she started in the company, Amazing tell Us. I was like, 414 00:29:30.000 --> 00:29:37.119 well, what we all needed, and I knew this. We all needed 415 00:29:37.160 --> 00:29:41.119 a two headed shark attack right all right, now we're talking about, in 416 00:29:41.240 --> 00:29:47.160 a weird way, the day the motion picture debut of brook Hogan in a 417 00:29:47.240 --> 00:29:48.680 lead role, even though she'd filmed the movie and Bloody body Ball. You 418 00:29:48.720 --> 00:29:52.680 can listen to the episode to get all the information. But what we have 419 00:29:52.839 --> 00:29:57.039 here is we have Brook Hogan front and center, popcording, pop music, 420 00:29:57.119 --> 00:30:03.640 sensation recording, exactly exactly, working with our old friends. Are good old 421 00:30:03.720 --> 00:30:11.839 friends. That's not some lap serendipity visa etna. I don't know what is 422 00:30:11.880 --> 00:30:15.200 they used to call. They're building the Asylum and that's so fucking funny. 423 00:30:15.519 --> 00:30:22.279 Well we got the asylum who brought production almighty thor painful. Other than that, 424 00:30:22.400 --> 00:30:26.359 we've never done yep. And this was equally painful, not as painful, 425 00:30:27.359 --> 00:30:30.279 not as painful. I will say that there was a little bit and 426 00:30:30.519 --> 00:30:36.680 and you know, we found out that Brooke Hogan was quite surprising, not 427 00:30:36.759 --> 00:30:40.160 gonna lie past the total abateurs. She actually seemed like she knew what she 428 00:30:40.240 --> 00:30:44.000 was doing. She at least compared to them. So you gotta check it 429 00:30:44.039 --> 00:30:48.279 out. And some of the fucking funniest, weirdest shit that we've ever seen, 430 00:30:48.799 --> 00:30:52.200 I swear to god, and most of it has to do with Charlie 431 00:30:52.200 --> 00:30:56.480 O'Connell. Oh my god, just wonderful episode the cinet waiting for you. 432 00:30:56.640 --> 00:31:03.200 It's two headed shark shark attack, thank you, because the shark has two 433 00:31:03.279 --> 00:31:06.480 heads. And then when they make the trilogy. The Shark has three heads 434 00:31:06.519 --> 00:31:11.039 and well they go all the way up to six. Wow, so was 435 00:31:11.079 --> 00:31:14.079 if we didn't have the Heads of the Beast already here. So it also 436 00:31:14.160 --> 00:31:17.920 serves as a wonderful introduction to Brook Hogan and uh sort of you know, 437 00:31:18.079 --> 00:31:22.119 her path to being involved in the industry as well. And we'll pick up 438 00:31:22.119 --> 00:31:23.640 a little bit of the string that you started to pull on. Um. 439 00:31:23.720 --> 00:31:26.720 She did an interview, as you said, just last year with the Raw 440 00:31:26.839 --> 00:31:30.519 Hollywood podcast. We recommend checking it out because this will be the second Now 441 00:31:30.559 --> 00:31:34.960 episode that we excerpt things from. It's it's it's a good sort of pulse 442 00:31:36.039 --> 00:31:40.079 check with Brooke. You know where she's at now. It's it's weird. 443 00:31:40.279 --> 00:31:45.279 It's it's very weird, and it kind of makes me unhappy. Why because 444 00:31:45.000 --> 00:31:52.599 because I kind of like, I think she's kind of cool in that that's 445 00:31:52.680 --> 00:31:57.000 fine. I came into this with no expectation that I would dislike Brooke Hogan. 446 00:31:59.039 --> 00:32:00.519 I mean, I just I, you know, I want to be 447 00:32:00.599 --> 00:32:07.119 annoyed with her because I know, but she's not like she's she's actually, 448 00:32:07.519 --> 00:32:12.319 especially coming from the parents that she comes from, she's pretty down to earth 449 00:32:12.519 --> 00:32:16.319 she is, and she's fair game. Yeah, just coming off Brook Knows 450 00:32:16.359 --> 00:32:19.920 Best, which of course was the VH one spin off from the same product 451 00:32:20.839 --> 00:32:23.640 Getting Away with Shit Here production company Pink Sneakers that put together Hogan Knows Best 452 00:32:23.680 --> 00:32:29.640 and basically presided over I'm not saying caused, but presided over the absolute dissolution 453 00:32:29.680 --> 00:32:31.960 and collapse of the Hogan household that was all happening before the reality show. 454 00:32:32.000 --> 00:32:37.319 Brother. This just brought it to the forefront. But you know, exhibit 455 00:32:37.359 --> 00:32:39.279 A and how reality shows destroy families, as we talked about in that twenty 456 00:32:39.359 --> 00:32:43.759 twenty clip a couple of weeks ago is the Hogan family. And so when 457 00:32:43.799 --> 00:32:45.000 that does that to your family, what do you do? You create a 458 00:32:45.119 --> 00:32:50.240 spin off follow on show for your teenage daughter who's now getting out on her 459 00:32:50.240 --> 00:32:52.880 own for the first time, moving in with roommates in Miami and just trying 460 00:32:52.880 --> 00:32:55.000 to have fun, trying to let loose and still, you know, juggle 461 00:32:55.079 --> 00:32:59.200 with the emotional turmoil of her of her parents splitting up. So all the 462 00:32:59.240 --> 00:33:02.200 whole Cogan draw month, from Nick's accident to the acrimonious divorced, all of 463 00:33:02.319 --> 00:33:07.319 Hulk Cogan's health problems and challenges now is just more fodder for more reality and 464 00:33:07.799 --> 00:33:10.359 we get Brooke Knows Past and just to give me a little flavor of kind 465 00:33:10.400 --> 00:33:14.880 of how Brooke, you know, was in the singular spotlight with this reality 466 00:33:14.920 --> 00:33:17.799 show and kind of had her She's coming into TNA off her real shot at 467 00:33:17.839 --> 00:33:22.160 stardom. It's now pretty much in the rearview mirror. We touched on during 468 00:33:22.200 --> 00:33:27.759 the two Headed Chark Attack under the Cinemat episode her her hit song about Us 469 00:33:27.799 --> 00:33:30.559 with Paul Wall. That was about the biggest song she released, and we 470 00:33:30.640 --> 00:33:34.359 sort of had some fun with, you know, the the cadence of her 471 00:33:34.440 --> 00:33:37.359 vocals and what patterns she's trying to fit. It's like you typed in you 472 00:33:37.400 --> 00:33:42.559 know, chat gpt, like what would Britney spears right if she was with 473 00:33:42.640 --> 00:33:45.759 Paul Wall on the song? You know? And I mean it's so you 474 00:33:45.880 --> 00:33:51.160 know what what what I'm I'm What I realized in learning more about Brooke is 475 00:33:51.200 --> 00:34:02.160 that she was really not she She was really not a a uh like like 476 00:34:02.440 --> 00:34:07.960 she was basically being groomed to be something yes, as opposed to as opposed 477 00:34:08.000 --> 00:34:15.760 to being um herself and kind of figuring out who she is. Yeah, 478 00:34:15.840 --> 00:34:20.519 she signed up for the Make Me a Star booth in the middle of the 479 00:34:20.559 --> 00:34:23.480 model if she's signed up a Ford, but she she certainly had it being 480 00:34:23.639 --> 00:34:27.480 thrust upon her. Yeah, she she didn't like. I mean, maybe 481 00:34:27.519 --> 00:34:29.920 she loves singing her whole life. She's sort of obliged to say that, 482 00:34:30.079 --> 00:34:31.639 you know, when she pursues a music career. But it almost seemed to 483 00:34:31.719 --> 00:34:35.159 me like, I don't know if you've ever heard of these modeling agencies that 484 00:34:35.280 --> 00:34:37.880 like these small time groups, they like they literally sit in the mall and 485 00:34:38.000 --> 00:34:42.840 like approach women who look attractive and like pretend that, oh my god, 486 00:34:42.880 --> 00:34:45.880 you're so beautiful, and it's it's in another hustle, you know, like 487 00:34:45.280 --> 00:34:47.599 signed with me and blah blah blah, and we'll get you one up. 488 00:34:47.760 --> 00:34:52.000 Yeah whatever, a fucking Sony campaign. Yeah, And I feel like that's 489 00:34:52.000 --> 00:34:54.880 what that was. Kind of her music career at a high total wasn't cheap. 490 00:34:54.880 --> 00:34:58.159 I mean, she was with Louke Pearlman, but she she signed up 491 00:34:58.199 --> 00:35:00.639 for the package make me a Star package, know, is what she did 492 00:35:00.840 --> 00:35:02.199 right, right, and it didn't go so well. We've chronicled that and 493 00:35:02.400 --> 00:35:07.360 it fell apart with Pearlman and Linda Hogan was was antagonizing in a different direction. 494 00:35:07.400 --> 00:35:12.119 Than Hulk was, and this led to a lot of acrimony with Hogan 495 00:35:12.239 --> 00:35:15.440 and with Brooke and Terry at a certain point, which led to his whole 496 00:35:15.519 --> 00:35:21.440 racist spiel that came out on tape because he was talking about the state of 497 00:35:21.559 --> 00:35:23.639 Brooke, you know, going the wrong way, going against going with her 498 00:35:23.679 --> 00:35:28.320 mom over me, and talking about her boyfriend, and that's when the racial 499 00:35:28.360 --> 00:35:31.119 stuff starts coming out her boyfriend at the time. So all that is, 500 00:35:31.280 --> 00:35:36.400 you know. Now she talks very glowingly about her father and is very complimentary 501 00:35:36.400 --> 00:35:38.559 about how he's handled all the different challenges let's say he's faced from a public 502 00:35:38.599 --> 00:35:45.800 relations standpoint and a personal and domestic and probate standpoint. But Brooke Knows Best 503 00:35:45.039 --> 00:35:49.719 is the attempt to make us care about Brooke as a personality, right as 504 00:35:49.760 --> 00:35:52.199 a young woman trying to make it in the world with talent and looking to 505 00:35:52.719 --> 00:35:58.360 spread her wings from under the thumb or at least the watchful, loving eye 506 00:35:58.360 --> 00:36:01.800 of a protective father who now finds him sure completely unmoored from his reality, 507 00:36:01.880 --> 00:36:06.719 having been divorced and losing a lot. So let's just give you a flavor. 508 00:36:06.800 --> 00:36:09.800 This is the premiere episode of Brookno's Best. The the opening montage of 509 00:36:09.880 --> 00:36:14.119 the first episode, and it kind of really touches everything as far as what 510 00:36:14.719 --> 00:36:17.239 what they tried to get across for Brookno's Best and what people would have thought 511 00:36:17.239 --> 00:36:21.840 about Brooke and had been told about Brooke and made to feel about Brooke coming 512 00:36:21.880 --> 00:36:28.039 into TNA in twenty twelve, hit Brooknos this week, I'm Brookno's Best. 513 00:36:28.480 --> 00:36:31.280 After nineteen years of living in the hook and household, I decided it's finally 514 00:36:31.360 --> 00:36:38.880 time to move out on my own. Insane that's right, No parents, 515 00:36:39.360 --> 00:36:45.480 just me. Oh yeah, and my long time Franklyn totally putsonic. This 516 00:36:45.719 --> 00:36:51.599 is awkward, big, big, big, barmed the gayest scale. I'm 517 00:36:51.639 --> 00:36:54.000 like a one to ten ten being the gayest. Let me where are you 518 00:36:54.079 --> 00:36:58.360 at? Oh my god, Cork. My dad is having a long time 519 00:36:58.400 --> 00:37:04.239 with the whole thing doing He don't spraying it, dad. Can you imagine 520 00:37:04.280 --> 00:37:07.480 if can spray that in some bad guys that's all excited and had an erection 521 00:37:07.599 --> 00:37:12.400 or something. He just freak out and losing. It's been a pretty crazy 522 00:37:12.519 --> 00:37:15.519 year. My parents have decided to get a divorce. So long I was 523 00:37:15.559 --> 00:37:19.119 like that the captain of the ship, and all of a sudden, you 524 00:37:19.159 --> 00:37:22.039 know, I don't even have a ship after twenty four years of marriage. 525 00:37:22.280 --> 00:37:24.599 I just never knew that they would end up like this, Hey dad, 526 00:37:25.480 --> 00:37:30.719 that your mom, dad stopped, chop whatever or something. My whole family 527 00:37:30.800 --> 00:37:37.360 struggling stop. You don't know which one to believe, which one to trust. 528 00:37:37.440 --> 00:37:42.679 So decided to take And on top of everything, Nick got into a 529 00:37:42.719 --> 00:37:47.719 horrible car accident. Nick is being accountable and he's praying. Yeah, it 530 00:37:47.880 --> 00:37:52.960 was all pretty overwhelming. So in order to save my sanity, I decided 531 00:37:52.000 --> 00:37:57.519 the time had come for me to get out and live it. Look that 532 00:37:57.679 --> 00:38:22.239 looks great love, and so far I'm loving it. Come on, my 533 00:38:22.440 --> 00:38:39.719 life? Is that not taking your back? That's so annoying? I mean, 534 00:38:39.800 --> 00:38:44.079 even if you watch the show, that's so of the time that the 535 00:38:44.159 --> 00:38:47.360 whole feeling totally what's the music telling you? Like? What are they trying 536 00:38:47.360 --> 00:38:52.039 to make this feel about Brook? Like that she's just she's a cool girl, 537 00:38:52.480 --> 00:38:58.039 you know, like, hey, my life, my life, Like 538 00:38:58.280 --> 00:39:06.159 she's just a normal average girl's just normal check on the scale of one to 539 00:39:06.320 --> 00:39:08.480 ten. You know how they are? You and that guy fucks with him 540 00:39:08.519 --> 00:39:12.519 so bad because he kind of like ends up saying like I have been with 541 00:39:12.639 --> 00:39:16.719 girls and Terry's like, what what do you mean? Girls? How do 542 00:39:16.760 --> 00:39:23.320 you mean girls? Do were you talking about? But you're gay? I'm 543 00:39:23.320 --> 00:39:29.320 are we talking like Pat Patterson gay? Or brother? I'm gonna say, 544 00:39:29.679 --> 00:39:32.559 I'm my way brother. What are we like, Mike Tyson gay? What 545 00:39:32.840 --> 00:39:37.320 are we are we like? Mister t gay? What are you talking about? 546 00:39:37.360 --> 00:39:40.800 Brother? And He's like talking about like, you know, don't go 547 00:39:40.840 --> 00:39:45.960 out on the hot tub on the deck because of lightning and Florida's the lightning 548 00:39:45.000 --> 00:39:47.880 capital of the world and it will kill you. They just have them like 549 00:39:49.000 --> 00:39:52.679 go away over the top in terms of being a protective more so even more 550 00:39:52.400 --> 00:39:55.239 h right, So in other words, the Hogans are back. Okay, 551 00:39:55.440 --> 00:40:00.960 they're back at the table for some more reality uh reality show life improvement. 552 00:40:01.800 --> 00:40:07.039 And so Brook's coming off that exposure and you can see why TNA yeah and 553 00:40:07.119 --> 00:40:09.679 Spike in particular might be willing to take a flyer on or let's hear hear 554 00:40:09.760 --> 00:40:13.360 this now, this is um and I want to link you to it as 555 00:40:13.360 --> 00:40:15.519 well. Boss, if you can click the link that I'm about to send 556 00:40:15.519 --> 00:40:19.079 you, I think it'll be helpful. So I want to send you the 557 00:40:19.159 --> 00:40:22.880 link and I want you to take the Look, this is this is Spike 558 00:40:22.599 --> 00:40:25.880 trying to make some hay out of the fact that brook Hogan, coming off 559 00:40:25.920 --> 00:40:31.360 Brookno's best and the highest real profile she achieved in pop culture, is coming 560 00:40:31.400 --> 00:40:40.480 to Impact Wrestling. Okay, all right, here we go, biggest name 561 00:40:40.559 --> 00:41:06.559 in wrestling. Oh my god? Did so? She was part of, 562 00:41:07.000 --> 00:41:09.760 you know, this idea of a live series of Impacts in the summer of 563 00:41:09.800 --> 00:41:14.880 twenty twelve. She kind of kicked it off and they could also play fucking 564 00:41:15.239 --> 00:41:22.239 Real American commercial. Yeah, they had I assume more. Wow, different 565 00:41:22.280 --> 00:41:27.880 permissioning. It's probably different for one commercial campaign versus every single week he comes 566 00:41:27.920 --> 00:41:30.079 out on Impact the cost, I guess. But it is interesting that, 567 00:41:30.159 --> 00:41:34.800 you know, Real American is out there. It's available for licensing. If 568 00:41:34.800 --> 00:41:37.679 somebody you know wanted to do what they could have did they did? They 569 00:41:38.079 --> 00:41:44.199 who owned the still own the rights of the song. That tells me absolutely 570 00:41:44.239 --> 00:41:46.840 they do. I don't know about today, but in twenty twelve, Yes, 571 00:41:47.519 --> 00:41:50.960 that's so fascinating. I've never heard that before. And you know, 572 00:41:51.159 --> 00:41:53.880 it was kind of mind blowing when aw brought in Jeff Hardy and was able 573 00:41:53.920 --> 00:41:58.840 to use the Hardy Boys theme because you realized that they just ripped that off 574 00:41:58.880 --> 00:42:01.440 like hardcore Holly's theme. You know that you've heard that during Spike commercials in 575 00:42:01.440 --> 00:42:05.760 the past, totally unrelated to wrestling. It's just kind of like a generic 576 00:42:05.800 --> 00:42:08.599 song that anybody can license, right, I mean, I imagine something to 577 00:42:08.679 --> 00:42:13.440 the degree of Kurt Angeles theme. So because that was written, that was 578 00:42:13.480 --> 00:42:16.400 done by used by so many people, and I've never heard outside of wrestling, 579 00:42:16.440 --> 00:42:20.920 but there you go, right that one. Yeah. Yeah, So 580 00:42:21.000 --> 00:42:24.159 I ask I asked WCW if they were willing to pay Jimmy Hendricks's estate for 581 00:42:24.239 --> 00:42:29.840 Voodoo Child, why are you not fucking paying for real American when he comes 582 00:42:29.880 --> 00:42:34.519 in at ninety four exactly? And that's fucking money. You know, maybe 583 00:42:34.559 --> 00:42:37.400 it's the same consideration. Why pay for it for the actual wrestling show? 584 00:42:37.760 --> 00:42:42.280 Yeah? Just too expensive? But here, I mean, really is it 585 00:42:42.400 --> 00:42:45.280 really that expensive? I don't know, we we've I mean, would it 586 00:42:45.360 --> 00:42:46.559 be. I mean, it's over this over again, it's I know, 587 00:42:46.800 --> 00:42:50.719 I know, it's all I know. Music rights are always weird because god 588 00:42:50.800 --> 00:42:57.480 knows how many fucking legal fabrics are involved. Yeah. Um, And so 589 00:42:58.719 --> 00:43:00.880 tell the people what you saw there, because the obviously couldn't see it. 590 00:43:00.920 --> 00:43:05.119 How are they framing and presenting Brook Hogan in this quick ad number one? 591 00:43:05.199 --> 00:43:12.760 You got the song playing and they show very very extreme close ups of different 592 00:43:13.239 --> 00:43:17.079 parts of you know, what you think is hule Cogan, but then you 593 00:43:17.199 --> 00:43:22.519 see one shot of hands and you realize that there's nail polish on there, 594 00:43:22.559 --> 00:43:27.840 and we've never seen Hulek Cogan wear nail polish. And then it's then you 595 00:43:27.960 --> 00:43:30.960 see Brooke Hogan, what you're gonna do? Brother? And then she rips 596 00:43:31.000 --> 00:43:36.440 off her shirt. Titty's all over the place, I'm not kidding, but 597 00:43:36.559 --> 00:43:39.280 like literally take it off, and she's got a red bikini top on, 598 00:43:39.519 --> 00:43:44.039 yes, you know, and so it's just like, what the fuck am 599 00:43:44.039 --> 00:43:46.079 I watching? Which is so weird because they don't frame her that way at 600 00:43:46.119 --> 00:43:50.639 all. No, she's not like you know, a you know, like 601 00:43:50.880 --> 00:43:57.079 a a sex symbol for TNA. She's an authority figure. She's always wearing 602 00:43:57.199 --> 00:44:04.320 like you know, Karen Miller and dresses where you Stephane McMahon fucking sport up 603 00:44:04.320 --> 00:44:06.719 Ai Kinni on no, you know. And for the public, she's dressed 604 00:44:06.719 --> 00:44:08.239 like she's going to a high school reunion, you know. Every week she's 605 00:44:08.599 --> 00:44:12.760 dressed like someone that's trying to titillate um and certainly not a wrestler, But 606 00:44:12.880 --> 00:44:15.159 I just thought it was so interesting that that's what Spikes saw when they they 607 00:44:15.199 --> 00:44:21.079 went complete sex with her essentially, and you know, so was two headed 608 00:44:21.159 --> 00:44:24.039 chark attack. Yeah, yeah, totally mean she's in Pikinia the whole movie, 609 00:44:24.320 --> 00:44:29.119 whole Seriously, that's all she's doing. And she's fucking bouncing all over 610 00:44:29.159 --> 00:44:30.920 the place, and there's no shortage of clear signals that the director is trying 611 00:44:30.920 --> 00:44:34.519 to create, you know, moments where she can bounce around. Yeah. 612 00:44:34.639 --> 00:44:38.639 Yeah, she walks very briskly, right, you know Christopher Ray all about 613 00:44:39.119 --> 00:44:47.320 brisk walking with a very scantily clad Yeah, big chested woman. It's brisk 614 00:44:47.400 --> 00:44:51.880 teeny really is what it is. And so for those that might not have 615 00:44:51.960 --> 00:44:53.880 had the advantage there of hearing what we heard, let's now play the sound 616 00:44:53.920 --> 00:45:02.400 Brook Spike. This is the ad we're referring to, the biggest name in 617 00:45:02.519 --> 00:45:08.639 wrestling is about to make a brand new impact. What you're gonna do when 618 00:45:08.800 --> 00:45:16.320 I run wild on you? For Covid joins her legendary father as Impact kicks 619 00:45:16.320 --> 00:45:20.719 off. It's mind Summer Besh at the brand new time of eight pm when 620 00:45:20.800 --> 00:45:24.519 it to his life. Anything that can happen impacts live Summer Bash starting Thursday 621 00:45:24.559 --> 00:45:30.599 at eight fun Spike. She doesn't really enjoin her legendary father at all though, 622 00:45:30.079 --> 00:45:34.039 No, not at all. I mean also it makes little sense too, 623 00:45:34.159 --> 00:45:40.559 Like they're calling her the biggest name in wrestling. I think they're kind 624 00:45:40.599 --> 00:45:44.440 of saying that Hulk Cogan is making this impact by bringing his daughter in. 625 00:45:44.599 --> 00:45:47.760 So the biggest name in wrestling is is making this move allowing his daughter into 626 00:45:47.800 --> 00:45:52.880 the business, or his daughter into the business. That's bullshit, bullshit. 627 00:45:53.199 --> 00:45:55.920 Yeah, well you get the conceit of the commercial. He's supposed to think 628 00:45:55.960 --> 00:46:00.519 it's Hulk, but it's Brooke, and and it's just so awe compared to 629 00:46:00.559 --> 00:46:04.480 how she's actually presented weekend and weekend on television program I found that rather interesting. 630 00:46:05.079 --> 00:46:07.719 So Brooke Hogan's coming in business is picking up. How does she look 631 00:46:07.760 --> 00:46:10.280 back on it and how did it come together? Oh yes, let's go 632 00:46:10.320 --> 00:46:14.800 back to the Hollywood Raw podcast conversation she did a year ago looking back on 633 00:46:14.880 --> 00:46:16.360 all this, and in Brooke One, we're going to hear about how she 634 00:46:16.480 --> 00:46:22.039 ended up in Nashville and how the opportunity to come to work for TNA surfaced, 635 00:46:22.400 --> 00:46:29.440 So Nashville. Nashville is I have mixed feelings about Nashville so and I 636 00:46:29.519 --> 00:46:31.840 don't really care if anybody in Nashville's listening because they changed their minds like the 637 00:46:31.920 --> 00:46:37.320 wind too. So, but Nashville. When I first moved here in two 638 00:46:37.360 --> 00:46:42.079 thousand and eleven, I came here because I had finished Brookne's Best. I 639 00:46:42.159 --> 00:46:45.599 was out in LA and Dixie Carter, who was working with my dad, 640 00:46:45.960 --> 00:46:50.800 said, you know, we've got this wrestling company called t NA Wrestling, 641 00:46:50.920 --> 00:46:55.800 and it's total NonStop action wrestling the way not tits and as thank you, 642 00:46:58.280 --> 00:47:04.440 We've got this wrestling company. She had owned the company as a strong female, 643 00:47:04.519 --> 00:47:07.559 and she was really passionate about their female league, and she was like, 644 00:47:07.599 --> 00:47:08.880 I really want to bring somebody in to manage the girls. But it's 645 00:47:08.960 --> 00:47:13.519 hard to find people with like the extensive knowledge of wrestling. Even though I 646 00:47:13.599 --> 00:47:15.960 never got into it. You could ask me any anything and I would probably 647 00:47:16.000 --> 00:47:19.880 tell you like the inside workings of it, you know, the inside of 648 00:47:19.880 --> 00:47:22.840 the juggernaut that it is. So you know, she goes, hey, 649 00:47:22.920 --> 00:47:24.320 listen, you know, like it's not going to be like great pay, 650 00:47:24.559 --> 00:47:28.480 but you know, you love music, and it's in Nashville, and there's 651 00:47:28.519 --> 00:47:30.000 not just country music here. You can like do all kinds of music. 652 00:47:30.480 --> 00:47:32.440 And I thought, you know what, I'm all up for adventure. I've 653 00:47:32.440 --> 00:47:36.320 always just like kind of moved on a whim and been kind of an adventurous 654 00:47:36.320 --> 00:47:39.480 type of person. So I came down to Nashville side unseen. To be 655 00:47:39.639 --> 00:47:44.280 honest, I felt like I was moving to like the most podun town in 656 00:47:44.320 --> 00:47:46.320 the whole world. I did not know what the fact. I thought it 657 00:47:46.400 --> 00:47:51.280 was just all like cornfields and tractors. I didn't know. And I came 658 00:47:51.320 --> 00:47:52.360 here and it was a really cool little town. I was like, this 659 00:47:52.639 --> 00:47:58.239 is awesome, like and there were little restaurants and little like pockets of there 660 00:47:58.280 --> 00:48:00.880 were little history kind of things. And I really had a great time. 661 00:48:00.960 --> 00:48:05.320 My first couple of years here in Nashville. The dating scenes sucked. It's 662 00:48:05.360 --> 00:48:09.719 like very incestuous in a way, like everybody's dated everybody. But I had 663 00:48:09.760 --> 00:48:13.559 a good time. And then all of a sudden, like the last I 664 00:48:13.599 --> 00:48:19.599 would say, maybe three or four years, the city has started to grow 665 00:48:20.320 --> 00:48:23.559 so quickly that it's like I feel like I'm back in La. It's not 666 00:48:23.719 --> 00:48:27.079 my same Nashville. You know. Before it was homie and you'd see, 667 00:48:27.400 --> 00:48:29.360 you know, your friend on the corner. Hey, man, how are 668 00:48:29.400 --> 00:48:30.440 you do you know? Nice to you? Do you need help with your 669 00:48:30.559 --> 00:48:34.199 groceries up to your house? It was that kind of town. And now 670 00:48:34.599 --> 00:48:37.920 it's just that that old school southern charm is starting to wear off and it's 671 00:48:37.960 --> 00:48:43.679 becoming like a Las Vegas brother as soon as you show up? Yeah, 672 00:48:43.719 --> 00:48:45.239 what about this incestuous stuff? Dude? Like, what do you what do 673 00:48:45.280 --> 00:48:51.159 you do? What? What do you mean? Brother? What? What 674 00:48:52.320 --> 00:48:54.320 would you trying to say? Something? Brook? Tiny? Huh? She? 675 00:48:54.599 --> 00:48:57.360 By the way, at one an episode of Brook Knows Best, she 676 00:48:57.400 --> 00:48:59.679 picks up the phone at Target. You know how you can do like a 677 00:48:59.760 --> 00:49:02.199 call over the loudspeakers? Yes, and she she She says, um, 678 00:49:02.320 --> 00:49:07.320 can you please page hulk teeney oh, and he's like in the bathing suit 679 00:49:07.360 --> 00:49:14.559 aisle yo. I want you to picture Hogan right shopping at Target with his 680 00:49:14.719 --> 00:49:20.599 daughter like her decorate your dorm room day. What are you doing? Dude's 681 00:49:21.599 --> 00:49:29.519 in a Target? Yeah? I like this Van Go painting. I like 682 00:49:29.920 --> 00:49:32.519 this Van Go poster. I want this I want the starry night in my 683 00:49:32.559 --> 00:49:37.440 wall. Go away. Brother. Um, oh, this is great tupperware. 684 00:49:37.519 --> 00:49:39.800 You're gonna buy more tupperware? How much TopWare can you fit in? 685 00:49:39.880 --> 00:49:45.559 Want a part um? So that's going on, and I love this. 686 00:49:45.920 --> 00:49:51.360 She was kind of sold by Dixie that going to Nashville and working for TENA 687 00:49:51.519 --> 00:49:53.760 is actually kind of an extension of her music career, which I found upboriously 688 00:49:53.800 --> 00:49:59.440 funny a year ago. Jeff Jared Ivan Jeff Jarrett might have convinced her that 689 00:50:00.159 --> 00:50:07.360 he's so gone by this point. He left in late twenty eleven the company 690 00:50:07.800 --> 00:50:10.960 to go start up a totally different venture that was under the TNA umbrella TENA 691 00:50:12.039 --> 00:50:15.320 Entertainment umbrella. It was called Ringcock King and it was an Indian promotion. 692 00:50:15.840 --> 00:50:19.199 Oh my god. And one of the weird things about TNA, man is 693 00:50:19.199 --> 00:50:22.280 they always got a very rich royalty stream from Indian television networks that wanted to 694 00:50:22.320 --> 00:50:25.800 put their wrestling on TV. Wow. Yeah, There's a company, a 695 00:50:27.400 --> 00:50:30.320 TV station I believe called Sony six that used to air their stuff even when 696 00:50:30.320 --> 00:50:32.639 they were in the doldrums in the States. It was like a bright spot 697 00:50:32.679 --> 00:50:37.360 for them. And so there's always been this tradition at TNA of pushing just 698 00:50:37.440 --> 00:50:40.960 some random Indian star trying to make something out of any Indian that showed any 699 00:50:42.000 --> 00:50:46.920 aptitude for wrestling, And so Jeff tries to go over there and basically just 700 00:50:47.039 --> 00:50:51.599 breaks off entirely from what we know it was Impact wrestling on American television and 701 00:50:51.639 --> 00:50:57.199 tries to basically start an entire wrestling league based exclusively in India with Indian wrestlers 702 00:50:57.280 --> 00:51:01.199 to provide Indian content. So he's just totally out of the picture in twenty 703 00:51:01.440 --> 00:51:06.960 twelve and um, and that's accentuated when, as we'll get to towards the 704 00:51:07.119 --> 00:51:09.440 end, when Sting gives his Hall of Fame speech as the first inductune of 705 00:51:09.480 --> 00:51:13.480 the tena Hall of Fame announced here in two thousand and twelve, the first 706 00:51:13.760 --> 00:51:15.000 people he gets to thank are Jeff and Jerry Jarrett, And I was like, 707 00:51:15.079 --> 00:51:17.920 wait a minute, what the hell happened to Jeff Jarrett? There you 708 00:51:19.000 --> 00:51:22.239 go, So yeah, you know, you can do any kind of music 709 00:51:22.280 --> 00:51:25.280 out here, so you can hear Dixie's gears turning here. She's a strong 710 00:51:25.400 --> 00:51:29.320 woman. Girl power. I mean you got she said girl power like thirty 711 00:51:29.360 --> 00:51:32.039 times in the debut promo to Dixie. When you first brought Brook Hogan out 712 00:51:32.079 --> 00:51:36.840 in an Impact zone, of course, going on in twenty twelve, and 713 00:51:36.920 --> 00:51:38.280 that's all you what you need to know about Dixie. Like she's already written 714 00:51:38.360 --> 00:51:42.800 her own story. You know, she's of course, of course Dixie Carter, 715 00:51:43.000 --> 00:51:46.440 who blazed a trail in the wrestling business by being the first female blood, 716 00:51:46.639 --> 00:51:50.719 Like she already wants she's already decided that this is how she's going to 717 00:51:50.760 --> 00:51:53.599 be remembered. And it's like she has no success yet to point to, 718 00:51:53.800 --> 00:52:00.639 you know, necessarily. Um So Brook Hogan to this interview all talks about, 719 00:52:00.719 --> 00:52:02.320 you know, the state of her father sort of at this point in 720 00:52:02.400 --> 00:52:07.360 time, and also looking back on all that will happen helegan in the years 721 00:52:07.920 --> 00:52:09.800 that will unfold both before us here on TNH and of course after that. 722 00:52:09.920 --> 00:52:15.679 As he continues, this is at Brook two Brook two Brook Tuny. Yes, 723 00:52:15.880 --> 00:52:20.440 correct, you know we've been through Our family has been through a lot 724 00:52:20.480 --> 00:52:23.679 of crap. And I will say, my dad despite you know, I 725 00:52:23.760 --> 00:52:28.039 mean it's it's hard to you know, have all your skeletons, you know, 726 00:52:28.119 --> 00:52:30.199 pulled out of your closet and just waved in front of everybody's face and 727 00:52:30.320 --> 00:52:34.400 humiliated the world. And then our family just go through all this stuff. 728 00:52:34.440 --> 00:52:38.639 And he has stayed so graceful through it all. You know, Like I 729 00:52:38.760 --> 00:52:40.960 talked to him yesterday, I said, you know, it's so it has 730 00:52:42.000 --> 00:52:45.119 to be so hard for you because it's like you've got so many people poking 731 00:52:45.159 --> 00:52:46.360 at you, poking at you, poking at you, and you can never 732 00:52:46.440 --> 00:52:49.519 poke back. You can never say, yeah, I messed up, but 733 00:52:50.039 --> 00:52:52.079 this person did this too, or yeah, you know, like you just 734 00:52:52.239 --> 00:52:55.760 can't ever throw shade back because then it just makes you look worse, you 735 00:52:55.800 --> 00:52:59.840 know, and people are you know, So it's it's so hard. He 736 00:53:00.000 --> 00:53:01.880 always has to take the high road. He always has to just you know, 737 00:53:02.119 --> 00:53:05.800 sit down, shut up, you know, follow the rules, not 738 00:53:05.880 --> 00:53:13.800 piss anybody off. So, you know, in the worst situation. So 739 00:53:14.159 --> 00:53:16.199 um, you know, he's he's real. He's like, hey, I'm 740 00:53:16.360 --> 00:53:19.639 you know, this is how I messed up or this is how I'm feeling. 741 00:53:19.719 --> 00:53:22.280 Like he communicates and he's you know, um, like I said, 742 00:53:22.320 --> 00:53:30.639 just gentle giants. So brother, now by he can never poke back. 743 00:53:30.719 --> 00:53:35.039 Do you mean he can never sue everybody who's ever wronged him for millions of 744 00:53:35.119 --> 00:53:38.320 dollars and succeed and get settlements. Is that what you mean? I'm looking 745 00:53:38.320 --> 00:53:40.119 at the court dock in here, Brook, it looks like he did a 746 00:53:40.159 --> 00:53:45.079 lot of poking back. Huh, who you may have? What were index 747 00:53:45.159 --> 00:53:47.840 in the poke back to bat as a matter of fact, a finger say. 748 00:53:49.239 --> 00:53:52.400 I'd say, there's nobody who pokes back better than what are you talking 749 00:53:52.440 --> 00:53:58.360 about? And if you have you ever look at your dad's Twitter feed poking 750 00:53:58.440 --> 00:54:02.199 when he's not taking picture of the sunset inciting Bible verse. My man's poking 751 00:54:02.280 --> 00:54:07.280 back, um, and she touches on, you know, kind of how 752 00:54:07.320 --> 00:54:10.320 you talk to just down to earth right, And of course it wasn't wasn't 753 00:54:10.400 --> 00:54:14.480 raised to feel like, you know, the world was necessarily her oyster and 754 00:54:14.559 --> 00:54:16.400 that everything would just unfold in front of her because she snapped her fingers. 755 00:54:17.039 --> 00:54:20.559 And that's the Brookoken we see here in TNA. In two thou twelve, 756 00:54:20.559 --> 00:54:23.800 it's hit Brook three. Um. But I think that's the one thing. 757 00:54:23.920 --> 00:54:28.559 And I'm pretty tough, like I've I've grown my thick skin, but that 758 00:54:28.760 --> 00:54:30.719 is the one thing I'll say that drives me crazy if I see a comment 759 00:54:30.800 --> 00:54:36.719 and having a rich daddy, yeah, I'm sure. First of all, 760 00:54:36.880 --> 00:54:39.320 when we were going through all of our stuff, that money was so tied 761 00:54:39.400 --> 00:54:45.000 up in lawsuits and divorces and just all kinds of crazy stuff that there was 762 00:54:45.079 --> 00:54:47.119 no way that it was like, hey can I help. You know, 763 00:54:47.199 --> 00:54:52.960 it's like they are literally checking bank statements and pay stubs from you know, 764 00:54:52.360 --> 00:54:57.960 wwe like ten years ago, fifteen years ago, like it's it's crazy. 765 00:54:58.119 --> 00:55:00.000 So, you know not And on top of that, I have pride, 766 00:55:00.239 --> 00:55:07.440 like I think, you know, maybe because I set off on my own. 767 00:55:07.480 --> 00:55:08.239 I was like, first of all, there was so much drama at 768 00:55:08.760 --> 00:55:12.480 back home that I was like, I cannot wait to move out. So 769 00:55:12.639 --> 00:55:17.199 like, right when I turned eighteen, I went and I got an apartment 770 00:55:17.440 --> 00:55:21.639 at the Flamingo in Miami. I did not know what I was getting into. 771 00:55:21.760 --> 00:55:24.400 If you ever ask anybody about Flamingo in Miami, it's a little bit 772 00:55:24.440 --> 00:55:30.360 crazy. That's the building that we just heard her gushing about and Hulk gushing 773 00:55:30.400 --> 00:55:34.480 about on the premier episode of Brookno Spec by the way, about the Cafavee, 774 00:55:34.519 --> 00:55:37.800 And we heard Brook at the deposition that decided, you know, in 775 00:55:37.880 --> 00:55:40.000 the laser spine case that we conveyed just a couple of weeks ago on TNH, 776 00:55:40.079 --> 00:55:43.599 where she's just you know, talking about how full of shit the TV 777 00:55:43.719 --> 00:55:47.079 business is and particularly the reality business. And you just can't believe a single 778 00:55:47.119 --> 00:55:51.559 thing that's said on any episode ever, ever, right exactly, They got 779 00:55:51.639 --> 00:55:54.079 hours and hours of raw footage from the production company of Hulk in the fucking 780 00:55:54.119 --> 00:55:59.119 surgery center consulting with doctors about the very procedures that he would later sue this 781 00:56:00.119 --> 00:56:04.039 medical practice over fucking up his back, you know, and misadvising him on 782 00:56:04.239 --> 00:56:07.960 what was necessary. And I can't trust any other dude, I wouldn't believe 783 00:56:07.960 --> 00:56:10.719 any of it. Miss who brother who? Miss what's your name? Dude? 784 00:56:12.119 --> 00:56:15.039 Meanwhile, has said there's no record of that final episode of Hogan knows 785 00:56:15.079 --> 00:56:20.320 best you cannot record exists, but the fucking video cannot be found no matter 786 00:56:20.400 --> 00:56:22.400 what corner of the Internet you dig in. This is going to be our 787 00:56:22.480 --> 00:56:25.119 dragon to slave for the rest of the existence of the lapsed fans. The 788 00:56:25.159 --> 00:56:30.320 only thing we've not been able to find that we needed. So read into 789 00:56:30.400 --> 00:56:34.840 that what you will. And to conclude our excerpts from this Hollywood raw interview 790 00:56:34.880 --> 00:56:38.800 that Brook Hogan did a year ago. I submit this in furtherance of the 791 00:56:38.880 --> 00:56:44.119 idea that there's something to this idea that the Hogan back surgery episode of Brook 792 00:56:44.159 --> 00:56:46.360 knows best disappeared for any reason. I wanted to listen closely, and I 793 00:56:46.440 --> 00:56:50.239 was waiting to see if you picked up on this under the cinemat boss you 794 00:56:50.360 --> 00:56:52.239 played the clip, but I think you missed it. Oh okay, I'm 795 00:56:52.440 --> 00:56:55.800 here we go. They asked, Brooke, how our dad's doing, you 796 00:56:55.880 --> 00:56:58.800 know, with all the health challenges he's been through, and I want you 797 00:56:58.840 --> 00:57:04.719 to listen very closely for a heartful edit. Brook four. We counted how 798 00:57:04.800 --> 00:57:07.360 many surgeries he's had in the last ten years, and I think we're at 799 00:57:07.400 --> 00:57:14.599 twenty five. So he's had both both shoulders scoped, and he had his 800 00:57:15.920 --> 00:57:19.480 whole bicep and his versus act and his everything tied up in his shoulder. 801 00:57:19.559 --> 00:57:22.840 Like last year that was a disaster. He got MURSA and it was like 802 00:57:22.920 --> 00:57:25.599 a big thing, so he had to go back and undo it. Tons 803 00:57:25.599 --> 00:57:31.599 of physical therapy. He's had both of his knees replaced multiple times, I 804 00:57:31.679 --> 00:57:36.239 think twice on both. He's had his hips done, he's had his elbow 805 00:57:36.360 --> 00:57:39.280 scopes, he's had so yeah, he's had so many surgery, so he's 806 00:57:39.320 --> 00:57:43.679 done. He's done a ton, but this last one that he just had 807 00:57:43.920 --> 00:57:47.360 finally was like the winning ticket. So right now he's feeling great, he's 808 00:57:47.400 --> 00:57:52.960 working out two hours in the gym every day, he's still chugging along. 809 00:57:53.119 --> 00:57:57.599 I mean, I'm no expert, but I would think if I was to 810 00:57:57.719 --> 00:58:01.960 listen with me me of my father's surgery, I would probably mention the eight 811 00:58:02.119 --> 00:58:06.960 or nine or ten or whatever number he settled on. And there wasn't edit. 812 00:58:07.039 --> 00:58:09.559 There there was I could hear it, and you know I didn't. 813 00:58:09.559 --> 00:58:13.000 I'm you know, it's funny because I'm usually just like kind of listening. 814 00:58:13.039 --> 00:58:17.800 I don't actually usually watch the clips as much. What I mean, is 815 00:58:17.880 --> 00:58:22.199 there a visual Yes, there is. You can tell that they cut something 816 00:58:22.239 --> 00:58:25.719 out. Wow, And I submit to you what they cut out. In 817 00:58:25.840 --> 00:58:32.679 my educated estimation would be her saying, you know, it's kind of sensitive 818 00:58:32.760 --> 00:58:37.800 to actually say how many back surgeries my father has. Yeah. Again, 819 00:58:37.880 --> 00:58:42.119 we don't know what came of his civil lawsuit against Laser Spine Institute. We 820 00:58:42.239 --> 00:58:45.559 know the case settled without you know, a judge deciding or a jury deciding 821 00:58:45.599 --> 00:58:46.840 one way or the other, so I can assume it was a settlement. 822 00:58:47.280 --> 00:58:50.960 I can assume it went in Hulkoken's favor. Though something tells me if he 823 00:58:51.039 --> 00:58:52.639 really cashed out on the deal. They would have found a way to get 824 00:58:52.679 --> 00:58:57.840 the press notified about that. Where we've heard about it, It wasn't much 825 00:58:57.920 --> 00:59:00.360 coverage of this if that, I mean, could they could cold could ls 826 00:59:00.480 --> 00:59:06.440 I have said, you know, you can't talk about as a condition of 827 00:59:06.440 --> 00:59:08.559 settlements, you can you can't speak to how many surgeries or whatever? Yeah, 828 00:59:08.639 --> 00:59:14.000 yeah, and entirely possible, just like you know, the weird language 829 00:59:14.000 --> 00:59:16.599 he starts using around wrestling or fighting. Sting. Now, that did come 830 00:59:16.639 --> 00:59:21.199 before the lawsuit against LSI. He was probably pissed at LSI already, and 831 00:59:21.239 --> 00:59:23.239 maybe there was already some backchannel community case that there's going to be a lawsuit 832 00:59:23.320 --> 00:59:25.880 here. But as we talked about in that episode of Teenage, that that 833 00:59:25.920 --> 00:59:30.079 suit wasn't filed to twenty fourteen, well after his TEENA run was over. 834 00:59:30.320 --> 00:59:31.840 So it's not like all he's doing the press tour for Bound for Glory twenty 835 00:59:31.880 --> 00:59:36.360 eleven again sting that he's got this lawsuit in mind hadn't been you know, 836 00:59:37.440 --> 00:59:40.519 filed yet, let alone resolved with the stipulation that Hogan is to never wrestle 837 00:59:40.559 --> 00:59:45.440 again to keep up the idea that you know, laser spine fucked him up. 838 00:59:45.440 --> 00:59:47.880 So badly that it cost him millions. Remember in deposition, just how 839 00:59:49.079 --> 00:59:52.519 closely they were grilling Hogan about like can you really not wrestle? Like can 840 00:59:52.599 --> 00:59:59.639 you really not like can you really not do anything any differently than before laser 841 00:59:59.679 --> 01:00:01.480 spine ever touched you? Like are you pretty much in the same position of 842 01:00:01.559 --> 01:00:06.480 not being able to wrestle despite what we didn't didn't do or they didn't didn't 843 01:00:06.519 --> 01:00:09.000 do. So I just I just had to. I had to just relish 844 01:00:09.039 --> 01:00:15.000 that moment totally totally. Guys, Um, can we can we just talk 845 01:00:15.039 --> 01:00:16.480 real quick off the record if you will, Yeah, you can keep recording. 846 01:00:16.559 --> 01:00:20.840 But it's kind I love it. I love it so much because you 847 01:00:20.920 --> 01:00:22.719 know, everything except back surdrinks, which is the whole stur drink. You 848 01:00:22.760 --> 01:00:25.199 know. That's kind of the thing that it's funny. I didn't even pick 849 01:00:25.280 --> 01:00:30.440 up on at because I was actually thinking to myself, Man, why didn't 850 01:00:30.440 --> 01:00:32.199 you mention the back surgeries? Brother? I was like, wow, all 851 01:00:32.280 --> 01:00:37.679 right, you know, I'm broke, brother, I'm It was more like 852 01:00:37.800 --> 01:00:43.519 this, Brook, Brother, you can't talk about the back surgeries, dude. 853 01:00:43.519 --> 01:00:45.559 You gotta have them take that out. Broke. Wait, Brook, 854 01:00:45.679 --> 01:00:47.800 is your dad in the room. No, I'm not in the room. 855 01:00:47.840 --> 01:00:52.840 I'm not here, dude, But you can't. You can't talk back surgeries. 856 01:00:52.960 --> 01:00:55.480 Brother. Is that behind you? Is that a burger? What is 857 01:00:55.519 --> 01:01:00.639 there? Brogler in the room? What do you? Brother? I just 858 01:01:00.519 --> 01:01:05.679 dude, you got it. I don't know who you're talking to. Broke. 859 01:01:06.039 --> 01:01:09.639 You can't fucking you can't talk back surgery brother. Oh that's come on. 860 01:01:10.280 --> 01:01:13.840 We can't tell that to you. Nobody says brother like like that. 861 01:01:14.039 --> 01:01:16.000 Besides you, Brooke, Brooke. I don't know who the fuck these guys 862 01:01:16.039 --> 01:01:19.920 are, dude, but you're gonna you're gonna fucking you gotta dial with us 863 01:01:19.960 --> 01:01:22.760 back in. Yeah, they're from raw Hollywood. We're not taking I don't 864 01:01:22.760 --> 01:01:28.400 care raw dude. The Vince Brother you are you on the phone? Are 865 01:01:28.440 --> 01:01:30.719 you doing an interview with Vince Brother? You know if I went back to 866 01:01:30.880 --> 01:01:32.679 Titan and ninety seven, I would have been raw Hollywood, right, dude, 867 01:01:32.719 --> 01:01:37.280 you know I would have been raw Hollywood. Hogan, Dude, brother, 868 01:01:37.320 --> 01:01:38.679 we gotta dial this thing in, dude about this back surgeries brother. 869 01:01:39.519 --> 01:01:43.800 Brother? All right, bro we can't. You know, Look, we 870 01:01:43.840 --> 01:01:45.400 can't play hide the ball anymore about her. All Right, we gotta we 871 01:01:45.480 --> 01:01:47.679 gotta, you know, stop with the ying and the yang. Dude, 872 01:01:47.920 --> 01:01:53.159 you gotta stop talking back surgeries. Brother. Bring the nose up on this 873 01:01:53.280 --> 01:01:55.920 thing. Dude, what are you trying to get her to say? Guys? 874 01:01:57.760 --> 01:02:00.320 What do you hey? Hey, brother, I want to know what 875 01:02:00.400 --> 01:02:02.800 the fuck you guys are trying to do with my daughter. Dude. This 876 01:02:02.960 --> 01:02:08.280 is her attorney. This is not this is not Hulk Hogan. All right, 877 01:02:08.320 --> 01:02:12.159 brother, this is not Hulk Hogan. This is her attorney. Dude. 878 01:02:12.400 --> 01:02:16.480 I'm I'm the law firm, law firm of of of Balley and Associates. 879 01:02:20.039 --> 01:02:30.840 It's a big secret and knobs pc Nabowski. Brother. Yeah, you 880 01:02:30.960 --> 01:02:36.039 can't talk back surgery, dudes. This Hollywood rod, where's Hollywood SmackDown? 881 01:02:36.119 --> 01:02:38.239 Dude. Look you can't, brother. Let me put it this way, 882 01:02:38.320 --> 01:02:44.199 dude, all right, let me put it this way. Hulk Hogan is 883 01:02:44.280 --> 01:02:46.920 not having back surgeries, brother, and he is currently not doing back surgeries. 884 01:02:49.079 --> 01:02:52.280 Oh, thanks for clearing it up. Thanks for clearing that up, 885 01:02:52.440 --> 01:02:55.960 Terry. I'm so much less confused than I was. He may have had 886 01:02:57.079 --> 01:03:00.039 back surgeries at some point, brother, but he's only not in a back 887 01:03:00.079 --> 01:03:04.039 surgery. Brother. How many back surgeries have you had Hulk. Currently, 888 01:03:04.639 --> 01:03:07.920 we don't. We don't. We have had no backshured red brother. Currently, 889 01:03:07.960 --> 01:03:12.480 I'm having no back surgeries. Currently, back surgery is off the table. 890 01:03:17.400 --> 01:03:22.599 Exactly why are you talking about my back so much? So so good 891 01:03:22.639 --> 01:03:27.400 stuff. So um yeah, and shout out to the member of the Solar 892 01:03:27.480 --> 01:03:29.679 System who wrote us a patriot. I said I was going to get a 893 01:03:29.719 --> 01:03:35.679 spinal cord stimulator put in, and now I'm scared to well rest assured. 894 01:03:35.719 --> 01:03:37.880 I mean, I'm no doctor, but I mean the Hogan's whole thing was 895 01:03:37.920 --> 01:03:40.440 he needed to crank the thing to feel any better. I don't hope, 896 01:03:40.800 --> 01:03:45.239 I sincerely hope that's not the case for the Solar System member that expressed that 897 01:03:45.320 --> 01:03:49.800 sentiment. I showed that it helps a lot and follow doctor's orders, et 898 01:03:49.840 --> 01:03:52.239 cetera. But this is an extreme case. The hulkster, I think, 899 01:03:52.360 --> 01:03:55.719 is one thing we definitely took away from the deposition reading that we brought. 900 01:03:55.760 --> 01:04:00.239 He was part of teenage. So that's Brooke, that's um her story. 901 01:04:00.320 --> 01:04:03.480 That's how she comes to t NA in two thousand and twelve, just an 902 01:04:03.519 --> 01:04:06.880 extension of her wanting to be around the music scene in Nashville. Nothing more, 903 01:04:08.000 --> 01:04:13.000 nothingeless and that worked out beautifully in terms of the Center office. I 904 01:04:13.039 --> 01:04:15.760 guess you could say an impact wrestling a time of tumult. It's not only 905 01:04:15.880 --> 01:04:20.199 is Russo gone and Bischoff is on board now executive producer, and Pritchard is 906 01:04:20.360 --> 01:04:25.000 wearing both hats is head of talent relations and head of creative Bruce Pritchard actually 907 01:04:25.079 --> 01:04:29.960 has a heart attack in I believe it's March of twenty twelve, definitely the 908 01:04:30.519 --> 01:04:33.880 first quarter of two twelve. There was even reports I think a JBL put 909 01:04:33.880 --> 01:04:36.000 a Facebook post out when it happened, saying that it sound like it was 910 01:04:36.039 --> 01:04:41.360 actually two heart attacks that he suffered. And this is after I believe Bruce's 911 01:04:41.360 --> 01:04:43.920 wife had had a lot of challenges around cancer, which he's talked about in 912 01:04:43.960 --> 01:04:46.360 his podcast. I think those two things were coincident, and so it's a 913 01:04:46.440 --> 01:04:49.159 very difficult time for the Pritchard family, and it creates a bit of a 914 01:04:49.199 --> 01:04:55.400 power vacuum, because, if you're to believe Vince Russo, Pritchard and Bischoff 915 01:04:55.519 --> 01:04:59.480 kind of engineered a way that he would be Russo that is edged out of 916 01:04:59.480 --> 01:05:02.079 power and edged out of influence, and the creative room at TENA and now 917 01:05:02.079 --> 01:05:06.719 all of a sudden Pritchard's down and definitely, um, so what's to happen? 918 01:05:06.920 --> 01:05:12.519 What's to what's to fill that void? I mean you anything that yeah, 919 01:05:13.000 --> 01:05:17.880 that are you know Russo isn't sending an opportunistic email or something at the 920 01:05:17.960 --> 01:05:25.079 time. Let's see how mister Eric Bischoff reading the tea leaves and his good 921 01:05:25.119 --> 01:05:29.199 friend Bruce Pritchard um suffering these health concerns, how he deals with it. 922 01:05:29.280 --> 01:05:34.039 Let's hit Eric three three please. I pretty much grabbed it, yeah, 923 01:05:34.840 --> 01:05:39.320 because here's what my fear was going to be. You know, I didn't 924 01:05:39.320 --> 01:05:42.079 know how long Bruce was going to be out. I didn't you know, 925 01:05:42.159 --> 01:05:48.280 I didn't. I just didn't know. And I knew what a snake bit 926 01:05:53.039 --> 01:05:58.559 was at that time internally and not somewhat not with the talent. Talent. 927 01:06:00.920 --> 01:06:08.239 The talent was great, but from a management perspective, I had no confidence 928 01:06:08.360 --> 01:06:13.760 whatsoever in anybody making the right decision, oh my god, excluding Dixie. 929 01:06:14.199 --> 01:06:17.920 I wasn't concerned about Dixie. But Dixie wasn't the shop caller that everybody thinks 930 01:06:17.960 --> 01:06:24.119 she was not. When he came to money that was out of Dixie's hands, 931 01:06:24.719 --> 01:06:31.639 she certainly had influence and all that, but the final decisions they weren't 932 01:06:31.719 --> 01:06:38.159 Dixie's. And I knew that instantly, you know, when I talked to 933 01:06:38.440 --> 01:06:40.880 Stephanie p Bruce's wife, was the one that let me know right away what 934 01:06:40.960 --> 01:06:45.239 happened. And in that moment, you like less than a split less than 935 01:06:45.320 --> 01:06:48.360 a millisecond after I hung up the phone, I knew what I was going 936 01:06:48.440 --> 01:06:51.760 to do, and I was just going to big foot my way into it. 937 01:06:53.400 --> 01:06:58.039 I was going to take it all. And I told Stephanie such said, 938 01:06:58.039 --> 01:07:01.079 don't worry about because she was worried about Bruce's job. She didn't know, 939 01:07:02.519 --> 01:07:08.599 you know, And I said, stephaniely, I trust me, nothing 940 01:07:08.800 --> 01:07:13.320 is going to happen to Bruce's position. And before I said it, and 941 01:07:13.400 --> 01:07:15.960 I didn't know how I was going to ensure that, but I knew that 942 01:07:16.000 --> 01:07:18.960 I would, one hundred percent confident that I would. I just didn't know 943 01:07:19.039 --> 01:07:23.199 how. And I thought about it for a brief period of time, and 944 01:07:23.280 --> 01:07:26.320 I said, well, fuck it, I'm just gonna take it. I'm 945 01:07:26.360 --> 01:07:30.679 gonna visit. What I didn't want to do is something goes bad creatively, 946 01:07:30.840 --> 01:07:34.119 The numbers kind of go down after a week or two or three, and 947 01:07:34.239 --> 01:07:41.519 then what typically happens when you have you know, low information management is they 948 01:07:41.599 --> 01:07:45.079 start pointing fingers. Oh you know Bruce Ane's is gonna be able to do 949 01:07:45.159 --> 01:07:47.000 it. You know, who knows if he's ever going to come back. 950 01:07:47.400 --> 01:07:51.760 But you know, they start painting pictures in their minds of how, you 951 01:07:51.840 --> 01:07:57.679 know, they can justify making a decision that they shouldn't make. And I 952 01:07:57.760 --> 01:08:00.000 knew that that was going to happen, so I thought, the only way 953 01:08:00.000 --> 01:08:02.920 I can stop that is to do everything I can to make sure that that 954 01:08:03.199 --> 01:08:10.079 aspect of T and A to the extent possible, runs smoothly until Bruce gets 955 01:08:10.119 --> 01:08:15.800 back. So I didn't ask permission, I didn't subtenly weave my way into 956 01:08:15.920 --> 01:08:20.119 the process. I just big footed my way in. I took over the 957 01:08:20.239 --> 01:08:25.479 very first production meeting. I didn't ask permission to run that meeting. I 958 01:08:25.640 --> 01:08:30.560 just did it, And within about two weeks, everybody just got real used 959 01:08:30.560 --> 01:08:35.000 to that. And that's the way it was until Bruce came back. I 960 01:08:35.079 --> 01:08:44.000 didn't I didn't ask to bigfoot the meeting. I didn't want I'm I didn't 961 01:08:44.039 --> 01:08:48.680 want to bigfoot the meeting. But you know it was a snake pin. 962 01:08:49.239 --> 01:08:54.600 Oh you imagine, I'm an absolute snake pin guy. Guys, you're putting 963 01:08:54.640 --> 01:08:58.640 on a pro wrestling show, Okay, Calm the fuck down. The only 964 01:08:58.680 --> 01:09:00.720 time you start using language like that when nobody knows how to do something that 965 01:09:00.800 --> 01:09:04.079 improves the ratings consistently, right, and you've got to come up with a 966 01:09:04.119 --> 01:09:10.039 fucking bogey man for it, snake pit, how about we write a show 967 01:09:10.079 --> 01:09:17.039 that draws ratings and grows ratings and justifies TV bullshit. Ah and then of 968 01:09:17.079 --> 01:09:24.199 course the wrestling shows about writing the wrestling show? I mean, can you 969 01:09:24.319 --> 01:09:27.520 deal with this idea they have? This is okay? So the key reason 970 01:09:27.520 --> 01:09:30.000 I played that clip is not only to explain the history of with Pritchard, 971 01:09:30.119 --> 01:09:31.680 but also to say that, you know, this is on a Lloyd Bischoff 972 01:09:32.159 --> 01:09:35.680 like this is you know, not like that was sincer So this is Bishoff. 973 01:09:35.760 --> 01:09:41.479 Twenty twelve TNA lowest average ratings since at least two thousand and seven is 974 01:09:41.479 --> 01:09:46.199 Bishop with Pritchard kind of sprinkling himself back in when he recovers from his medical 975 01:09:46.279 --> 01:09:49.520 scare and he actually becomes a somewhat of an on screen character by the time 976 01:09:49.560 --> 01:09:55.399 the summer comes around. Just for your boss, great um. But yeah, 977 01:09:55.439 --> 01:09:59.239 so this is Bischoff's TNA through this, and I don't know, I 978 01:09:59.279 --> 01:10:01.800 guess we can probably we say we will, of course examine it more closely 979 01:10:01.840 --> 01:10:04.239 as we go here in the tenage chronology, pretty much through the end of 980 01:10:04.279 --> 01:10:09.720 Hogan's run is Bischoff as the guiding hand of creative, with no russo to 981 01:10:09.840 --> 01:10:14.800 point to when something's really stupid. And he's you know, obviously deferential and 982 01:10:14.920 --> 01:10:18.159 very friendly with Bruce, so he's unlikely to point the finger at Bruce for 983 01:10:18.239 --> 01:10:21.520 something bad. So he's in a position where he has no choice but to 984 01:10:21.640 --> 01:10:25.520 you know, wear it on his chin if creative sucks in TNA. But 985 01:10:25.600 --> 01:10:29.000 I invite you to consider the idea that what we're missing is on the fly 986 01:10:29.199 --> 01:10:32.199 interviews where there isn't someone holding a microphone in front of the wrestlers face backstage, 987 01:10:32.359 --> 01:10:35.720 but instead just a documentarian read at Jason Hervey of course, getting in 988 01:10:35.800 --> 01:10:41.479 people's face and getting testimonials, and also being a fly on the wall when 989 01:10:41.520 --> 01:10:45.359 Hulk Hogan does things like meat with the top six contenders and have them lobby 990 01:10:45.520 --> 01:10:51.479 him for why they should be the one to challenge Bobby Rude. Next eight 991 01:10:51.600 --> 01:10:57.319 minutes of a Kurt Angle at Jeff Hardy and aj Styles, Bubba Ray Dudley, 992 01:10:57.600 --> 01:11:00.279 Bully Ray whatever, all lobbying the Holster as he sits on his desk 993 01:11:00.399 --> 01:11:06.359 for why they should and they're trying to They're trying to make make the show 994 01:11:06.520 --> 01:11:14.479 about what it's like backstage when wrestlers are jockeying for position and opportunity. I 995 01:11:14.520 --> 01:11:17.119 still don't see where the problem is. You watch that segment, we'll talk 996 01:11:17.159 --> 01:11:20.800 about it, we'll sample it. I mean, are you not riveted by 997 01:11:20.840 --> 01:11:25.680 Hogan in this context? I I hate every single little fucking thing about it. 998 01:11:25.680 --> 01:11:30.039 I hate too strong a word, No, hates too weak of a 999 01:11:30.039 --> 01:11:30.800 word. And then I hate to beat a dead horse. But we're gonna 1000 01:11:30.800 --> 01:11:34.680 do it. Why do you hate it? It's just so because it's I 1001 01:11:34.800 --> 01:11:40.079 don't need this shit. I don't need to know about backstage, Like that's 1002 01:11:40.119 --> 01:11:44.199 not interesting to me. Can we get on with what comes up? Here's 1003 01:11:44.199 --> 01:11:46.079 the thing, here's the thing. Do you know when it would be interesting 1004 01:11:46.119 --> 01:11:50.239 again, like even remotely interesting again? When it's not happening all the fucking 1005 01:11:50.359 --> 01:11:55.319 time? Everyone? You don't when when I feel like I shouldn't be watching 1006 01:11:55.399 --> 01:11:59.840 it. But I don't feel that way right now. I feel like this 1007 01:12:00.039 --> 01:12:04.119 is the best thing you fucking got for me, So that's not good. 1008 01:12:05.920 --> 01:12:11.439 Like, what makes it interesting is when there's a hint of something that maybe 1009 01:12:11.720 --> 01:12:15.560 we weren't supposed to know about, but you have to do it well and 1010 01:12:15.680 --> 01:12:20.279 in a way that again it requires you know this this magical thing called thought. 1011 01:12:24.079 --> 01:12:30.960 I feel like nobody in when producing wrestling shows, like it's like they 1012 01:12:30.159 --> 01:12:44.279 they almost think that that easy is not complex enough, right, but convoluted 1013 01:12:44.640 --> 01:12:46.560 is the best way we can get our stories across. Let me ask you 1014 01:12:46.560 --> 01:12:51.359 a question. If I refer to the stories we're telling not as the stories 1015 01:12:51.439 --> 01:12:58.399 but as story, right, he doesn't. I'm totally in. I'm totally 1016 01:12:58.479 --> 01:13:02.800 in. I mean that means that means this is a serious tenure and experience 1017 01:13:02.840 --> 01:13:06.640 in the television business. No, that signals this is somebody who has sat 1018 01:13:06.680 --> 01:13:14.920 at the table with Mark Burnett. It means horse shit. Story not the 1019 01:13:15.479 --> 01:13:20.399 story, not a story, not stories, just story the TNA experience. 1020 01:13:20.760 --> 01:13:27.479 This is right, I mean story ta story time? What story? That's 1021 01:13:27.560 --> 01:13:32.119 what it should be. The story of Hulcogan. Like in a fucking debate 1022 01:13:32.239 --> 01:13:41.239 society, that's the thing about this tnah, I wante vote and they keep 1023 01:13:41.319 --> 01:13:45.079 trying it and they pretend it's different. Right. That's part of it too, 1024 01:13:45.239 --> 01:13:47.720 is like they keep trying the same fucking shit over and over again. 1025 01:13:47.800 --> 01:13:50.520 Like it didn't work lass time, it didn't work the time before that, 1026 01:13:50.560 --> 01:13:55.399 it didn't work in fucking twenty ten. It's not gonna work today. I'm 1027 01:13:55.399 --> 01:13:58.399 gonna work tomorrow. Had nothing else. Twenty twelve, they'll plug in Austin 1028 01:13:58.479 --> 01:14:00.960 Ais into the Rob van Damn role from twenty ten. Right, the new 1029 01:14:00.039 --> 01:14:03.520 guy that we suddenly just I cannot stand it, have win the World Championship 1030 01:14:03.520 --> 01:14:06.800 out of absolutely nowhere, and see this is the guy that's young or at 1031 01:14:06.880 --> 01:14:13.520 least younger than Hulks generation that we're putting the rocket on or Bobby Rude up 1032 01:14:13.600 --> 01:14:18.800 until mid twenty twelve, they tell the story. Then, all right, 1033 01:14:20.279 --> 01:14:23.680 m you've heard the phrase. You don't want to see how the sausage is 1034 01:14:23.720 --> 01:14:27.760 made, right, boss? Yes? All I see in these backstage segments 1035 01:14:27.800 --> 01:14:31.479 and all this on the fly stuff is sausage being absolutely right. And I 1036 01:14:31.560 --> 01:14:34.239 just eat the sausage after it's been made and decide if it tastes good. 1037 01:14:35.000 --> 01:14:38.159 Yeah, why do you take me to the factory so I can see all 1038 01:14:38.159 --> 01:14:45.279 the different fucking guts of different animals to see what's going on. All right, 1039 01:14:47.000 --> 01:14:50.279 that's the way it's gonna roll. Go to restaurants. I want the 1040 01:14:50.319 --> 01:14:53.560 plate presented to me so I can eat it. I don't go to a 1041 01:14:53.600 --> 01:14:59.439 restaurant, want so I can, but the right way, I guess. 1042 01:14:59.600 --> 01:15:04.039 I guess I just don't understand story. And you don't understand story, and 1043 01:15:04.159 --> 01:15:12.119 you don't understand you know, you don't understand how how how sports entertainment is 1044 01:15:12.399 --> 01:15:16.199 you know who else apparently didn't understand it? And then audience, Yeah, 1045 01:15:16.239 --> 01:15:20.159 that's true too. They just weren't getting what you were going for here apparently. 1046 01:15:20.239 --> 01:15:23.840 So what are you? What are you going for? Bro? I'm 1047 01:15:23.880 --> 01:15:27.319 not going for anything, Terry. I'm just trying to figure out what why 1048 01:15:28.479 --> 01:15:33.359 why the emergency release wasn't pulled on this thing like two years or three years 1049 01:15:33.439 --> 01:15:39.159 earlier than it was. But wondering, Hogan keeps finding a way. Man, 1050 01:15:39.479 --> 01:15:42.680 He's still you know, he's got little to point two in terms of 1051 01:15:42.720 --> 01:15:45.560 success. He's got little to point two in terms of raising the water level 1052 01:15:45.600 --> 01:15:48.239 of TNA above where it was before he got there. And I'll be damned 1053 01:15:48.279 --> 01:15:54.800 if he's still not in every other segment I know, and he's still not 1054 01:15:54.960 --> 01:16:00.119 staying paid. And for Bischoff, it's an interesting time because is at the 1055 01:16:00.159 --> 01:16:03.319 same time that he's trying to figure out how to you know, consolidate his 1056 01:16:03.399 --> 01:16:08.520 power in Bruce Pritchard's absence and kind of get creative in his own hands and 1057 01:16:08.600 --> 01:16:12.760 takeover production meetings or wherever he put a big footing production meetings. He's also 1058 01:16:13.000 --> 01:16:16.039 making a decision about his status as an on camera performer. Um, I 1059 01:16:16.119 --> 01:16:19.079 don't know. It just seems to me that if you've watched the amount of 1060 01:16:19.159 --> 01:16:23.479 TNA that we have in Succession over the course of this journey this year, 1061 01:16:23.720 --> 01:16:30.520 you get the distinct impression, how's that I'd rather watch Succession? Can you 1062 01:16:30.560 --> 01:16:36.720 get the distinct impression there A Bishop fucking loves being on television? Oh yeah, 1063 01:16:36.720 --> 01:16:41.000 I think he likes it more than anything, because I don't see what 1064 01:16:41.199 --> 01:16:45.279 he's pointing to to say I need to be on television in terms of, 1065 01:16:45.359 --> 01:16:48.119 like, you know, a consistent quarter hour performance. Maybe his stuff's the 1066 01:16:48.159 --> 01:16:51.399 highest point in the show, but he's also interacting when the most important wrestlers 1067 01:16:51.439 --> 01:16:57.439 on the show exclusively but come to do it. It's kind nothing to do 1068 01:16:57.520 --> 01:17:00.319 with it Okay, God, thank you for that clarification. I want to 1069 01:17:00.359 --> 01:17:02.760 write that down, glad. I'm here to go with it explained to thank 1070 01:17:02.800 --> 01:17:05.520 you. Yep, there's twenty twenty twelve tons though twenty twelve. Sorry. 1071 01:17:05.680 --> 01:17:10.399 He decides I don't want to be on television anymore and the reasons, well, 1072 01:17:11.239 --> 01:17:14.199 let's hear him again. This is a sample from the eighty three Weeks 1073 01:17:14.239 --> 01:17:16.399 podcast with Conrad Thompson. This is Eric on why he came off television and 1074 01:17:16.479 --> 01:17:19.479 a big part of what we're going to cover this week on TNH. The 1075 01:17:19.520 --> 01:17:25.920 first half of twenty twelve, Eric won. It was a little bit of 1076 01:17:25.960 --> 01:17:28.520 both, but mostly it was me. I just didn't want to be on 1077 01:17:29.840 --> 01:17:32.800 anymore and I never wanted to be on television, and of course, my 1078 01:17:33.000 --> 01:17:42.600 god, I then why are you on Ego? I guess Pride. It's 1079 01:17:42.640 --> 01:17:46.560 felt like a step down. Yeah, yeah, you know when you go 1080 01:17:46.760 --> 01:17:51.239 from where oh god, I can't we a character right, what I was 1081 01:17:51.359 --> 01:17:58.479 doing on Nitro and then what I was doing on Monday Night Raw. You 1082 01:17:58.600 --> 01:18:02.920 know, just I'm on TV enough. I scratched that itch. I like 1083 01:18:03.119 --> 01:18:06.920 to perform, but I just I didn't want to be on TV at all. 1084 01:18:08.000 --> 01:18:09.680 Part of it, I guess said. A big part of it was 1085 01:18:09.760 --> 01:18:15.119 my ego. Um, some of it was just I don't have time to 1086 01:18:15.239 --> 01:18:19.359 do this anymore. And here's the other honest part of it, really three 1087 01:18:19.399 --> 01:18:24.720 parts. I look like shit like that. I wasn't taking care of myself. 1088 01:18:24.800 --> 01:18:28.520 I was going away as far as TV goes, you know what I 1089 01:18:28.600 --> 01:18:33.560 mean, healthy enough. But I just I shouldn't have been doing it, 1090 01:18:33.720 --> 01:18:38.239 and I knew it. I didn't want to do it. Just it was 1091 01:18:38.399 --> 01:18:42.840 easy. It's just sad to say, but true, it made sense. 1092 01:18:42.960 --> 01:18:46.560 It was an easy go to. The crowd would react, Yeah, not 1093 01:18:46.720 --> 01:18:56.039 really so by now, Partially it was laziness. I think we're getting out 1094 01:18:56.039 --> 01:18:58.680 there is you know, when you're trying to figure out what to put on 1095 01:18:58.720 --> 01:19:00.760 television, you don't really give a funk about TNA. You just plug yourself 1096 01:19:00.840 --> 01:19:02.840 in and so you can go out there and just say shit. And it's 1097 01:19:02.880 --> 01:19:09.479 fill timon stitch together stories. He's such a fucking loser. He's fine. 1098 01:19:10.079 --> 01:19:13.479 It's a vision, a lot of success, tremendous track record and resumes, 1099 01:19:13.560 --> 01:19:17.840 such a goofball. Too bad, he never That's all I'm saying. I 1100 01:19:17.840 --> 01:19:23.279 would have been amazing. Do you imagine that would have been fantastic, very 1101 01:19:23.359 --> 01:19:26.800 much. Feelings about his physical appearance here, I mean, he doesn't look 1102 01:19:27.239 --> 01:19:30.600 like you know, the Ken Dolly didn't WCW. But I don't know, 1103 01:19:30.720 --> 01:19:33.840 jeez, he's like, I know, he's like so preocupized. He's got 1104 01:19:33.880 --> 01:19:38.159 a belly. Maybe he maybe he knows that behind the scenes he was, 1105 01:19:38.640 --> 01:19:41.680 you know, drinking his ass off or whatever. And as soon as we 1106 01:19:41.680 --> 01:19:45.319 could tell more than we could, yeah, or like fucking eating at like 1107 01:19:46.039 --> 01:19:51.279 Miami Subs every fucking day or whatever, a Mexican place that Hogan forced Hill 1108 01:19:51.319 --> 01:19:58.800 go to every every UM And I bring up the liquor thing because one of 1109 01:19:58.840 --> 01:20:01.560 the things we're going to cover this week TNH is the final impact that Bischoff 1110 01:20:01.680 --> 01:20:06.319 makes a TNA television appearance on UM as he receives exclusively in a backstage role, 1111 01:20:06.319 --> 01:20:09.840 and they do this kind of like you know, Bishop Appreciation Night theme, 1112 01:20:09.920 --> 01:20:13.359 and one point JB Jeremy Borash, who apparently had a lot of history 1113 01:20:13.359 --> 01:20:15.760 with Bishof, and on screen I think reflected a bit of the backstage tension 1114 01:20:15.800 --> 01:20:18.880 between the two as well. Yeah, and he goes for the juggular and 1115 01:20:18.920 --> 01:20:25.039 he talks about Bishof drunk tweeting or drunk Facebook post right right, which Bischof 1116 01:20:25.079 --> 01:20:31.319 definitely had a problem with cantankerous Facebook postings while being half million dollars. M. 1117 01:20:32.479 --> 01:20:34.960 I had no clue. Yeah, I just was not in on this. 1118 01:20:35.159 --> 01:20:38.319 He would fight with fans and or you know, he would just like 1119 01:20:38.920 --> 01:20:43.039 like defensive statements, just the kind of things that are just once you're paid 1120 01:20:43.079 --> 01:20:45.199 and pro wrestling, you're supposed to not have to worry about that. The 1121 01:20:45.239 --> 01:20:47.399 only reason you do that is because you're not getting paid and you need to 1122 01:20:47.439 --> 01:20:50.880 be part of a conversation. You need to make people feel like they need 1123 01:20:50.960 --> 01:20:55.439 your counsel, they need to pull you off the sidelines because you've got, 1124 01:20:55.760 --> 01:21:00.399 you know, insights that they could that they could do. So, so 1125 01:21:00.560 --> 01:21:02.840 yeah, that's brought up on TNA television. It's funny because he did an 1126 01:21:02.840 --> 01:21:05.840 episode of eighty three Weeks where he watches that episode of Impact that we'll touch 1127 01:21:05.880 --> 01:21:11.960 on here this week where he does his goodbye and they're doing a live watch 1128 01:21:12.000 --> 01:21:14.560 along of JB. Colin. I'm essentially a drunk and he didn't say anything 1129 01:21:14.560 --> 01:21:17.239 about it. He doesn't gaffa, he doesn't complain. He kind of laughs 1130 01:21:17.279 --> 01:21:19.840 along with a JB. Saying, but he doesn't indulge it, that's for 1131 01:21:19.960 --> 01:21:23.680 sure. Yeah, right, but I hear that in his voice. Um, 1132 01:21:23.800 --> 01:21:27.880 so you wonder in terms of rock at the time, I bet he 1133 01:21:28.079 --> 01:21:31.239 was. I bet he was fucking I'm just letting JB tell me what to 1134 01:21:31.359 --> 01:21:35.560 think here. That's yes, and I'm fine with that. So that's no 1135 01:21:35.680 --> 01:21:42.039 problem with that. Bischof taking himself off television. And in terms of Hogan 1136 01:21:42.359 --> 01:21:44.920 stepping into this new role as general manager, one would think, you know, 1137 01:21:44.960 --> 01:21:47.760 a lot lower impact, right, He's coming off a back fusion surgery 1138 01:21:47.800 --> 01:21:54.000 that he finally hire impact. Was that hire impact, brother? Well? 1139 01:21:54.039 --> 01:21:58.399 That remains to be especially once you opened that gimmick bag around your waist. 1140 01:21:58.920 --> 01:22:05.159 What do you did you pouch? Now? What are you getting a brother? 1141 01:22:05.239 --> 01:22:10.800 Did you so? Who? When it comes to Oof, you know, 1142 01:22:10.920 --> 01:22:15.039 Hogan coming into a general manager role, coming off the fusion surgery and 1143 01:22:15.079 --> 01:22:17.720 wrestling again against Sting, you would think about Essen dialed down. It's it's 1144 01:22:17.760 --> 01:22:21.960 not going to be this ilarative exclusively about how much pain Hogan's in just to 1145 01:22:23.039 --> 01:22:26.880 get out the ring and not coming out with the crutch in one hand pretending 1146 01:22:26.920 --> 01:22:29.760 it's a guitar. You know, the whole thing. Yes, um, 1147 01:22:30.479 --> 01:22:32.520 so what do you think Eric on eighty three weeks? Touching on twenty twelve 1148 01:22:32.520 --> 01:22:38.159 and Hogan and the GM role was was Hogan finally you know, feeling physically 1149 01:22:38.279 --> 01:22:41.079 up to the task. Was Hogan is spry as he appears to be every 1150 01:22:41.079 --> 01:22:45.319 week on impact in the GM role? Hare, But this is going to 1151 01:22:45.399 --> 01:22:48.079 be the story of Hogan coming back to being the guy leading the company. 1152 01:22:49.000 --> 01:22:53.000 Was holg ready to be back on camera at full time a full time at 1153 01:22:53.039 --> 01:22:58.920 this point? Mentally? Yeah, yeah, mentally he couldn't wait to get 1154 01:22:58.960 --> 01:23:03.159 back out there him. I think guys like called Kogan, Rick Flair, 1155 01:23:04.159 --> 01:23:10.239 Randy Savage when he was with US, Um, Ruddy Piper, anybody put 1156 01:23:10.479 --> 01:23:15.199 on almost anybody's name in here that came from that era and spent twenty or 1157 01:23:15.279 --> 01:23:25.079 thirty years being that character. Unlike a traditional television actors go home and everybody 1158 01:23:25.199 --> 01:23:28.079 knows when they see him on the street, oh, you played that character. 1159 01:23:28.720 --> 01:23:31.640 When you see a guy like Hulk Hogan, or Rick Flair or or 1160 01:23:32.680 --> 01:23:39.399 your name insert any name here that spent on television that long and they see 1161 01:23:39.439 --> 01:23:42.920 you as that character, that's right. They know you as that character, 1162 01:23:43.239 --> 01:23:48.399 and in turn, you become that character even away from television, and I 1163 01:23:48.479 --> 01:23:50.960 think over a period of you know, I've seen it now, I've thought 1164 01:23:51.000 --> 01:23:55.399 a lot about this, but over a period of twenty twenty five, thirty 1165 01:23:55.520 --> 01:24:00.319 years, whatever, you you kind of need that, you know. It's 1166 01:24:00.359 --> 01:24:02.800 why I think a lot of people have a hard time stepping away from wrestling. 1167 01:24:03.560 --> 01:24:10.479 They won't admit it to themselves, they will eventually, but deep downance 1168 01:24:10.560 --> 01:24:14.399 because that's their connection. That's a big part of who they really are. 1169 01:24:15.079 --> 01:24:18.479 And stepping away from that is stepping away from a big part of your identity. 1170 01:24:19.159 --> 01:24:23.239 And some people do it really well. Some people manage that transition. 1171 01:24:24.119 --> 01:24:29.079 Some people struggle with that. That has a lot to do with some of 1172 01:24:29.119 --> 01:24:34.279 the sad stories that we read about, you know, Sonny and and others. 1173 01:24:34.479 --> 01:24:38.640 I don't mean to pick on her, but some people deal with it. 1174 01:24:38.960 --> 01:24:45.640 Some people have a hard time with it. Hulk was physically he should 1175 01:24:45.680 --> 01:24:47.960 have. He had a hard time getting up the stairs to get into the 1176 01:24:48.079 --> 01:24:54.840 ring to cut a brother what he I mean, what amount of pain that 1177 01:24:55.000 --> 01:25:00.640 that guy put himself through is unless she saw it and you were there with 1178 01:25:00.840 --> 01:25:06.960 him, you can't imagine it. You just can't. But there were times 1179 01:25:08.000 --> 01:25:13.479 when I'd get tears in my eyes watching him trying to get out of his 1180 01:25:13.600 --> 01:25:16.439 car and make it to the sound stage. I mean, it was horrible, 1181 01:25:17.359 --> 01:25:21.199 but that's who he was, that was that was one thing he was 1182 01:25:21.239 --> 01:25:25.680 trying to hold onto. That's the other thing that I think is what got 1183 01:25:25.720 --> 01:25:29.960 to me the most with Hulk is he was going through so much. Now 1184 01:25:30.039 --> 01:25:31.560 I'm making excuses for him because I know that's going to be the go to 1185 01:25:31.800 --> 01:25:40.880 reaction for a lot of people on social media, but he had gone through 1186 01:25:40.960 --> 01:25:44.960 so much there's no need to break it down here. And he was beat 1187 01:25:45.039 --> 01:25:48.199 up emotionally, physically. He should have not been allowed to be out of 1188 01:25:48.239 --> 01:25:54.880 the house, brother, without help. But the one thing he could hold 1189 01:25:54.960 --> 01:25:59.479 on to was getting into that ring and getting the reaction from the crowd. 1190 01:26:00.159 --> 01:26:02.920 It's the one thing he had control over. He no longer had control over 1191 01:26:03.039 --> 01:26:08.600 his body because he does certain things he just he couldn't do anymore. His 1192 01:26:08.800 --> 01:26:14.319 personal life was not good, but he could still go out there and be 1193 01:26:14.479 --> 01:26:20.399 hull COVID. What what do you, brother? Why exactly are saying? 1194 01:26:20.479 --> 01:26:30.079 Dude? Let's going on? Brother? Right when you say that I shouldn't 1195 01:26:30.079 --> 01:26:38.840 get out of bed, Dude, what are you? Are you? What 1196 01:26:38.960 --> 01:26:42.079 are you? What's going on? Brother? Where are you coming from? 1197 01:26:42.800 --> 01:26:56.640 Are you brothers? With all that said, if help you know, shouldn't 1198 01:26:56.640 --> 01:27:00.279 be anywhere near the Impact is even a broad Do you think it's time to 1199 01:27:00.600 --> 01:27:04.880 double down on at least in the media and the press highlighting the degree to 1200 01:27:04.920 --> 01:27:11.319 which Hulkogan is involved as his daughter Brook time for one more press tour? 1201 01:27:11.960 --> 01:27:15.199 Oh my god. So this is from the Miami Herald. This is from 1202 01:27:15.600 --> 01:27:19.199 May of twenty twelve, as Tena's preparing to bring in Brook Hogan in that 1203 01:27:19.319 --> 01:27:23.600 campaign. We just touched on and just kind of like a pulse check on 1204 01:27:23.720 --> 01:27:28.479 where the TENA messaging was midpoint in twenty twelve around Hulkogan and Brook Hogan's involvement 1205 01:27:28.520 --> 01:27:31.119 in TNA. At what message Dixie Carter was trying to get out about the 1206 01:27:31.159 --> 01:27:35.079 product? Please regale the Solar System boss with this article by Scott Fishman. 1207 01:27:39.000 --> 01:27:44.479 With tim Impact Wrestling's ten year anniversary quickly approaching, the winds of change and 1208 01:27:44.560 --> 01:27:48.279 evolution continue for the company. To TENA President Dixie Carter, that means the 1209 01:27:48.399 --> 01:27:54.119 sky is the limit the promotions. Queen b fielded questions during a conference call 1210 01:27:54.199 --> 01:27:59.800 Wednesday to promote Impact Wrestling's move to eight pm Thursdays on Spike TV. Getting 1211 01:28:00.159 --> 01:28:01.439 a conference call. Oh I bet you, yeah, I'm sure she does 1212 01:28:01.720 --> 01:28:09.560 beginning May thirty. First, the flagship show flagship show for what for TNA? 1213 01:28:09.680 --> 01:28:13.000 I guess it isn't the only show for t NA. Yeah. I 1214 01:28:13.039 --> 01:28:18.600 think they're saying Slam Aniversary is a flagship show. Am I wrong? They 1215 01:28:18.680 --> 01:28:23.119 did have no blow? No, no, no, They're saying the Flagship 1216 01:28:23.199 --> 01:28:26.600 Show will also run live this summer for at least the next twelve weeks. 1217 01:28:26.800 --> 01:28:30.000 That is Impact. Yeah, that's Impact. They did have other shows, 1218 01:28:30.840 --> 01:28:34.359 okay, no one lot top. A hot topic was the promotion's decision to 1219 01:28:34.439 --> 01:28:39.039 take a new more take a more realistic approach to its shows. From a 1220 01:28:39.119 --> 01:28:45.920 production standpoint, performers. Performers will be given more freedom to express themselves without 1221 01:28:45.920 --> 01:28:48.199 the shackles of word for word script. Oh I thought that would day one. 1222 01:28:48.880 --> 01:28:54.159 That means vince ourselves gone, That's what that means. And the backstage 1223 01:28:54.199 --> 01:28:59.159 segments are being shot in a more candid way with cameras everywhere. For Carter, 1224 01:28:59.279 --> 01:29:00.760 this is a way to say that operate their product from others in the 1225 01:29:00.840 --> 01:29:09.239 marketplace. Everybody is really excited. I think it's better than one not kind 1226 01:29:09.279 --> 01:29:12.920 of event. You know, we got things planned all summer long. We 1227 01:29:13.039 --> 01:29:16.640 are doing, we're going to be doing trying new things on the show as 1228 01:29:16.680 --> 01:29:20.720 well as that, I'm excited about to be able to do them live, 1229 01:29:21.000 --> 01:29:29.000 in my opinion, will make it that much more impactful. Viewers got a 1230 01:29:29.079 --> 01:29:32.880 hint of where the company is looking to go in style and presentation on television 1231 01:29:33.079 --> 01:29:40.319 with an opening segment including Hulk Hogan deciding who would face heavyweight champion Bobby Roode. 1232 01:29:41.000 --> 01:29:44.600 In that one segment, you can you saw a different view of five 1233 01:29:44.840 --> 01:29:48.880 very important people on our show. I'm more excited about that than anything we 1234 01:29:49.000 --> 01:29:54.159 have done in our company's history. It was fifteen years ago when reality TV 1235 01:29:54.399 --> 01:29:59.199 really didn't exist, but it's permanently altered the way the landscape for cable and 1236 01:29:59.359 --> 01:30:05.960 television viewing today. It's producing Jesus correct, I'm a reality TV ran, 1237 01:30:06.000 --> 01:30:10.920 Dixie. Just go out there and talk about reality TV. You know that 1238 01:30:11.000 --> 01:30:14.920 when Hogan's back there deciding who's going to get the world title shot after they 1239 01:30:15.000 --> 01:30:16.840 lobby him, that they think that's wrestling's version of like, you know, 1240 01:30:17.159 --> 01:30:20.720 American Idol or something. But Dixie. I don't want to be on TV 1241 01:30:20.800 --> 01:30:26.600 anymore. I don't want to be on TV anymore. I've done that, 1242 01:30:28.359 --> 01:30:33.439 I've been there, I've done that. You have I have? I have 1243 01:30:33.760 --> 01:30:39.920 that. I didn't want. I don't want responsibility, but I have to 1244 01:30:40.000 --> 01:30:46.199 have it so well. But really they like think this is like, um, 1245 01:30:46.840 --> 01:30:50.199 of course you know that that what's missing from pro wrestling is a presentation 1246 01:30:50.279 --> 01:30:54.560 style, you know, basically basically what they're showing. I mean, this 1247 01:30:54.680 --> 01:30:57.640 is this is this Kevin Nash is having a wet dream over this ship, 1248 01:30:57.640 --> 01:31:02.520 absolutely because basically what this is is is we're seeing a television product on one 1249 01:31:02.600 --> 01:31:06.079 side, in the ring, in the back, we're seeing the behind the 1250 01:31:06.159 --> 01:31:11.560 scenes of it all. This is fucking It's Larry Sanders show, absolutely right. 1251 01:31:12.840 --> 01:31:15.600 We have done some things in the path on the flot with the fly 1252 01:31:15.720 --> 01:31:18.760 on the wall backstage element. I think we did an outstanding time of it. 1253 01:31:19.279 --> 01:31:23.840 But it's really time for us to take this to another level. It 1254 01:31:24.159 --> 01:31:27.800 is going to be an evolution. I invite you to stay tuned as we 1255 01:31:27.920 --> 01:31:30.920 continue to change and grow in the coming weeks and months. It's something that 1256 01:31:31.079 --> 01:31:36.199 in my opinion that in my opinion, gonna be a much needed way of 1257 01:31:36.359 --> 01:31:40.760 watching wrestling. This is what happens when you totally throw in the towel on 1258 01:31:40.920 --> 01:31:44.079 doing any business on pay per view and wrestling. But of course when is 1259 01:31:44.119 --> 01:31:46.119 the central conceit of building to the big show? Yes, you end up 1260 01:31:46.199 --> 01:31:50.279 wanting to get You end up wanting to get pat in the back for the 1261 01:31:50.399 --> 01:31:55.760 way you shoot things. Not what you shoot and any good, but the 1262 01:31:55.920 --> 01:32:00.039 way you shoot it. What's wrong with man? This isn't the fucking you 1263 01:32:00.119 --> 01:32:05.079 know, Sports Broadcasting Awards luncheon is what's wrong with it. It's the NAPTI 1264 01:32:05.119 --> 01:32:09.319 convention. You're trying to impress industry people with this. You're trying to make 1265 01:32:09.359 --> 01:32:15.680 wrestling fans pay pay. But the only reason this business has ever existed getting 1266 01:32:15.760 --> 01:32:20.359 fans to pay and watching television on Thursday night is not paying. What convincing 1267 01:32:20.399 --> 01:32:26.720 that audience to pay is successful? Who high ratings don't mean shit? As 1268 01:32:26.760 --> 01:32:31.279 we learned, if you don't know how to make them pay a part with 1269 01:32:31.520 --> 01:32:35.039 dollars, I always have to spend more and then they'll pay. Note, 1270 01:32:35.079 --> 01:32:40.840 what how about you reach a steady state where they're paying and then incrementally start 1271 01:32:40.920 --> 01:32:44.399 trying to spend more. What are you going to spend You're not making anything. 1272 01:32:45.840 --> 01:32:49.920 Must not be how it works, I must just be a mark continue. 1273 01:32:51.000 --> 01:32:55.760 Oh, I mean you just again? How's your fucking territory? You 1274 01:32:55.920 --> 01:33:00.960 know? Along with the tweaks to pack wrestling, Brook Hogan Wills will make 1275 01:33:00.960 --> 01:33:05.079 your TENNA debut. Carter said she met Hogan's daughter a few years ago and 1276 01:33:05.239 --> 01:33:10.600 they hit it off. With backgrounds in the music business. She addressed criticism 1277 01:33:10.720 --> 01:33:14.960 on this new addition to the TENA roster. You don't know how it's going 1278 01:33:15.039 --> 01:33:17.319 to play out, so I hope you give it a chance. This division 1279 01:33:17.439 --> 01:33:20.960 is very important to me as a female head of a predominantly male company, 1280 01:33:21.319 --> 01:33:26.359 a wrestling company. For women to get out there and do this, I 1281 01:33:26.479 --> 01:33:30.600 feel we have to set a certain standard that needs to bet be better than 1282 01:33:30.680 --> 01:33:36.600 anything else out there. I feel we have the best female wrestlers on the 1283 01:33:36.760 --> 01:33:45.840 planet. Does this have to do with Brook Hogan of any Hold on Hold 1284 01:33:45.840 --> 01:33:48.680 on the movie? I miss something here. I feel we have the best 1285 01:33:48.800 --> 01:33:57.000 female planets on a female I feel we have the best female wrestlers on the 1286 01:33:57.119 --> 01:34:01.960 planet of any roster. Okay, but we're asking you why you're paying Brooke 1287 01:34:02.000 --> 01:34:10.680 Hogan money. I mean, here is a girl who has been living and 1288 01:34:10.920 --> 01:34:15.520 breathing wrestling her entire life. Kind of Okay, I'll shut up then, 1289 01:34:15.600 --> 01:34:18.079 fine, if that's what you're gonna do. Every time I got entered, 1290 01:34:18.159 --> 01:34:28.439 Jack, I will shut the fuck up. Thank you, Oh Jesus Christ. 1291 01:34:28.960 --> 01:34:33.920 Um. So so, here is a girl who has been living and 1292 01:34:34.039 --> 01:34:40.239 breathing wrestling her entire life. She has been under the greatest single we've been. 1293 01:34:41.359 --> 01:34:45.039 She has been under the greatest single wrestler that will probably ever live in 1294 01:34:45.079 --> 01:34:50.039 the history of our industry. So it's everybody else. Brother never been on 1295 01:34:50.159 --> 01:34:54.119 top of him, that's for her. Not for more than two and a 1296 01:34:54.159 --> 01:34:57.680 half seconds. I wouldn't even have my daughter on told what we I mean? 1297 01:34:58.880 --> 01:35:00.960 Once up with this conference. It's called dude, Like, what good 1298 01:35:00.960 --> 01:35:02.439 a language is that to be used? I thought we were on the same 1299 01:35:02.560 --> 01:35:14.520 team. Dude, brother, what t Can you guys stop laughing so much? 1300 01:35:14.560 --> 01:35:19.000 It's obnoxious. Sure I'll work on that, brother, did you so? 1301 01:35:19.119 --> 01:35:26.800 Go ahead? Dud Dixie. Um, she is incredibly intelligent and a 1302 01:35:26.880 --> 01:35:30.520 big star in her own rhyme. We have the greatest wrestlers, but what 1303 01:35:30.760 --> 01:35:34.239 we really need is something to give them more exposure. I think Brooke is 1304 01:35:34.239 --> 01:35:39.000 going to be a great character on television. She's not going to wrestle, 1305 01:35:39.319 --> 01:35:42.239 She's going to continue to pursue her music. But I think one of the 1306 01:35:42.319 --> 01:35:45.600 biggest things she will do for us is shine a spotlight on the knockouts that 1307 01:35:45.720 --> 01:35:50.720 they very much deserve. Carter has been involved in advertising and marketing and public 1308 01:35:50.800 --> 01:35:56.279 relations and entertainment and sports well before you joining TNA ten years ago. I 1309 01:35:56.399 --> 01:36:00.720 think if you're smart, you listen to I think if you're smart, you 1310 01:36:00.880 --> 01:36:03.920 listen to you the fans and the criticism, learn from it and grow. 1311 01:36:04.760 --> 01:36:10.199 Not everybody has the perspective and information that I have. We have to make 1312 01:36:10.279 --> 01:36:15.960 decisions with it. So that is a unique position to be in. Can 1313 01:36:16.039 --> 01:36:28.760 someone can I get English translation of this? Please? I just what she's 1314 01:36:28.800 --> 01:36:34.039 Definitely she's been hanging around hook a lot. I mean, what the fuck 1315 01:36:34.600 --> 01:36:39.760 you know away things? Let me ask you. I mean, they truly 1316 01:36:39.840 --> 01:36:50.239 signed up Brook for the exact same thing. She just said, we need 1317 01:36:50.319 --> 01:37:38.720 Brooke to shine a spotlight down boys haste beside me screaming now. So I 1318 01:37:38.920 --> 01:37:44.199 think if you're oh wait, sorry, I read that one. Not everybody 1319 01:37:44.319 --> 01:37:53.880 has I said that. I do weigh that very carefully. DNA celebrates its 1320 01:37:53.920 --> 01:37:57.800 tenth anniversary quite an accomplishment with its Slam Anniversary pay per view on Sunday, 1321 01:37:58.159 --> 01:38:01.199 June tenth, from the College Park Center in Arlington, Texas on the University 1322 01:38:01.199 --> 01:38:05.479 of Texas at Arlington Campus. I am so proud that in a few short 1323 01:38:05.600 --> 01:38:12.119 days we will be celebrating our tenth year in this business. I've never been 1324 01:38:12.279 --> 01:38:17.640 so proud to be associated with anything in my professional career. I truly love 1325 01:38:17.800 --> 01:38:23.960 the men and the women that make up our roster. Work behind the scenes 1326 01:38:24.079 --> 01:38:28.800 and in this office, you have a group of people that work harder, 1327 01:38:29.359 --> 01:38:35.079 care more. We really have a great working environment. We achieved so much 1328 01:38:35.239 --> 01:38:41.119 in ten years. It was really tough. There were times when I didn't 1329 01:38:41.159 --> 01:38:45.880 think we would be in business for ten months. It almost did in last 1330 01:38:45.960 --> 01:38:50.520 ten weeks. We were strong, we pulled together, We made better decisions. 1331 01:38:51.000 --> 01:38:55.399 I'm proud of what we have accomplished, but more importantly, where we 1332 01:38:55.520 --> 01:39:03.520 are going. I look back and we have made I look back and we 1333 01:39:03.680 --> 01:39:12.800 have made a ton of mistakes. We we have the money quote twenty twelve 1334 01:39:13.399 --> 01:39:18.039 eight. I'm gonna be the first to say it and take responsibility for them. 1335 01:39:19.159 --> 01:39:24.680 Both creatively and the way we approach certain things. But it has been 1336 01:39:24.720 --> 01:39:28.680 a learning curve. Oh, the way we approach certain things very good, 1337 01:39:28.760 --> 01:39:31.760 Dixie, tell me more. I think we are on a very good road. 1338 01:39:32.279 --> 01:39:36.159 If you haven't watched our show in a long time, I would encourage 1339 01:39:36.199 --> 01:39:45.039 people to tune ratings. Tell me either. I don't think we have produced 1340 01:39:45.399 --> 01:39:54.119 such quality television like we are doing right now. Of the future plans, 1341 01:39:54.199 --> 01:39:59.399 Carter c's exploring the possibility over future programming with Spike TV, including specials in 1342 01:39:59.439 --> 01:40:02.399 twenty th She says she isn't a fan of twelve pay per views a year, 1343 01:40:02.720 --> 01:40:10.319 and neither are your customers, and the company sees the potential to renegotiate 1344 01:40:10.399 --> 01:40:14.279 its contracts next year. Carter hopes to work with Alex Shelley again and it 1345 01:40:14.479 --> 01:40:18.079 is sad to see the company's greatest pitchman, Don West leave. She wouldn't 1346 01:40:18.119 --> 01:40:23.239 comment on Ric Flair's contractual status. Carter says the ultimate goal is to go 1347 01:40:23.439 --> 01:40:26.960 live and on the road, but over time, she thinks the new format 1348 01:40:27.000 --> 01:40:30.119 will allow them to use the Universal Studio's property to its best ability and take 1349 01:40:30.199 --> 01:40:35.039 viewers on a greater journey outside it to freshen up the show. Universal Studios, 1350 01:40:35.159 --> 01:40:40.960 Orlando is the home of TNA Impacts Wrestling television show. The word live 1351 01:40:41.159 --> 01:40:45.479 reversed to scrutiny TNA received for its Monday Night Live experiment in twenty ten. 1352 01:40:45.880 --> 01:40:49.680 It was another learning experience. We have an incredible competitor that has a twenty 1353 01:40:49.720 --> 01:40:55.319 five year headstart on us. The main thing I learned was that people watch 1354 01:40:55.439 --> 01:41:00.520 television differently today than they did back in the Monday Night Wars. I think 1355 01:41:00.640 --> 01:41:02.920 even in the last twelve months, we are seeing a huge shift and how 1356 01:41:03.039 --> 01:41:06.920 people watch TV. I would say that too when I looked at the ratings, 1357 01:41:13.800 --> 01:41:20.199 like the bugs apper on the porch, that's how she deals with this 1358 01:41:20.279 --> 01:41:33.079 said, excuse me. I practically don't watch a show during its initial broadcast. 1359 01:41:39.800 --> 01:41:50.560 I'm a DVR person, especially for t NA, and don't have a 1360 01:41:50.640 --> 01:41:57.920 lot of time in life. I think the entire television industry is facing the 1361 01:41:58.039 --> 01:42:05.880 same dilemma right now. The fuck I think there is going to be a 1362 01:42:05.920 --> 01:42:19.600 shift in how we look at ratings. I feel funckless. I feel good 1363 01:42:19.640 --> 01:42:24.760 about the changes we are making and thinking we'll have a big impact on our 1364 01:42:24.840 --> 01:42:40.800 success. TNA aims to differentiate itself from its big adversary in the business now 1365 01:42:41.359 --> 01:42:47.479 more than ever to not acknowledge competition as ridiculous. I think competition is absolutely 1366 01:42:47.520 --> 01:42:51.760 critical to the success of any business. Whether you are Home Depot or Lows, 1367 01:42:53.479 --> 01:42:57.800 CVS or Walgreens. It doesn't matter what industry you're in. It makes 1368 01:42:57.840 --> 01:43:02.319 you better, It makes you work harder, it makes you pay attention more, 1369 01:43:02.800 --> 01:43:06.239 it makes it more exciting and fun. That's how I feel about it. 1370 01:43:06.319 --> 01:43:11.520 I don't know how other people take it. I just think it's absolutely 1371 01:43:11.600 --> 01:43:16.119 critical for the fans more than anything else to have options. Our thought is, 1372 01:43:16.159 --> 01:43:19.960 instead of trying to compete in the same form and format as our competitor, 1373 01:43:20.399 --> 01:43:24.680 let us compete in the same industry, but try to be different and 1374 01:43:24.960 --> 01:43:31.920 unique. Let us how many times you say compete, get my shit in, 1375 01:43:31.960 --> 01:43:36.039 brother, our thoughts. Get instead of trying to compete in the same 1376 01:43:36.199 --> 01:43:42.119 form and format as our competitor, let us compete in the same industry, 1377 01:43:42.199 --> 01:43:46.119 but hard to be different and unique. Let us look at it through fresh 1378 01:43:46.199 --> 01:43:49.800 eyes. Let us try to present our product in a way that we can 1379 01:43:49.920 --> 01:43:54.640 do and we think it will be best for us. That will give us 1380 01:43:54.920 --> 01:44:00.800 for us a strong competitive advantage. Let's form one pair. The thing I'm 1381 01:44:00.880 --> 01:44:06.920 most proud of is wrestling matters. Wrestling matters to me us and it's not 1382 01:44:08.039 --> 01:44:12.800 a dirty word. It's something we're very proud of. So we are excited 1383 01:44:12.880 --> 01:44:16.279 to take what we do best and presenting it in a unique way. Pulling 1384 01:44:16.399 --> 01:44:20.880 that curtain back and widening the focus of the real elements that go into our 1385 01:44:20.920 --> 01:44:28.119 business I think will be absolutely fascinating. Carter believes the company is ready to 1386 01:44:28.199 --> 01:44:31.479 go live, despite being on an earlier time slop at TNA. Head feels 1387 01:44:31.720 --> 01:44:36.640 it won't change the content or direction it's taking the programs. I think we 1388 01:44:38.039 --> 01:44:42.000 do take all the elements very seriously and present them in the right way. 1389 01:44:42.720 --> 01:44:46.840 I think it is business as usual. To do something that is sexually offensive 1390 01:44:47.079 --> 01:44:53.680 is ridiculous. How have we done that in the past a little? But 1391 01:44:53.840 --> 01:44:57.199 I won't say we have done that too much. It's a waste of time. 1392 01:44:57.920 --> 01:45:02.119 Too much blood means nothing, too much strong language means nothing. I 1393 01:45:02.239 --> 01:45:16.560 think whatever happens, it has to have meaning and makes sense, and our 1394 01:45:20.680 --> 01:45:25.600 intent to keep things as real as possible, some of that is going to 1395 01:45:25.680 --> 01:45:30.199 come out. The company is always looking to add new talent to its roster. 1396 01:45:30.720 --> 01:45:33.119 They have taken an active role in the recruiting process. There was developmental 1397 01:45:33.159 --> 01:45:39.760 partnership with Ohio Valley Wrestling and it's gut Check sessions at various cities they visited 1398 01:45:40.199 --> 01:45:44.239 the gut check concept make it made its way to Impact Wrestling's telecasts on a 1399 01:45:44.359 --> 01:45:48.039 monthly basis. I think there are different levels. If if there are those 1400 01:45:48.560 --> 01:45:54.000 who have already had an established career, then there will be interest in them. 1401 01:45:54.640 --> 01:45:58.239 I think we are looking at people all the time. If there are 1402 01:45:58.359 --> 01:46:01.199 new people in the industry, then I think that is what gut check does 1403 01:46:01.279 --> 01:46:05.279 so well. We have found several of our talents through gut check. We 1404 01:46:05.439 --> 01:46:12.239 found Crimson, Rosita, Jesse, Sorensen, Gunner and a few others. 1405 01:46:12.720 --> 01:46:17.479 We realize that this is a really neat opportunity to show people the process we 1406 01:46:17.640 --> 01:46:23.720 go through to find the talent and how we evaluate them and what happens behind 1407 01:46:23.760 --> 01:46:29.239 the scenes. It is such a pressure cooker for these guys. It's exciting, 1408 01:46:29.720 --> 01:46:34.079 it's great TV. Carter believes the candid look of TNA's television presentation will 1409 01:46:34.119 --> 01:46:39.920 show another side of Hulk Hogan and others on the roster. I get very 1410 01:46:40.000 --> 01:46:43.560 defensive when I hear people saying, Hulk Hogan is there to take a paycheck. 1411 01:46:43.960 --> 01:46:46.439 He is there to take television time. If he has been off TV 1412 01:46:46.640 --> 01:46:51.479 for five months, people will say that. I have to tell you when 1413 01:46:51.520 --> 01:46:55.960 I'm in a meeting we are planning the show, and I hear him talk 1414 01:46:56.039 --> 01:46:59.840 so passionately. He is not paid to be there, but he sits in 1415 01:47:00.159 --> 01:47:01.960 these meetings. He works with the talent and tries to make them better. 1416 01:47:02.560 --> 01:47:06.960 He is trying to make our show better. When I see him so passionate, 1417 01:47:08.119 --> 01:47:11.479 I am honored. He works for me, but I feel honored to 1418 01:47:11.520 --> 01:47:15.680 sit on these meetings. Why can't other people see this side of him? 1419 01:47:19.640 --> 01:47:24.840 We all know his character. It has been around for decades. What I 1420 01:47:24.960 --> 01:47:29.439 get to see is what I think is so evolutionary and in what we view 1421 01:47:29.520 --> 01:47:33.319 wrestling. As it relates to Hulk Hogan directly, I think it is going 1422 01:47:33.399 --> 01:47:36.960 to be a big part of the legacy he leaves for this business. Not 1423 01:47:38.199 --> 01:47:42.119 what he did for himself, but what he did for others. I think 1424 01:47:42.239 --> 01:47:45.239 it relates to the other characters, those four other guys, Bully, Ray, 1425 01:47:45.399 --> 01:47:49.239 Kurt angele aj Styles, Jeff Hardy. In that segment last week, 1426 01:47:49.319 --> 01:47:55.640 We're not Scripted, it all unfolded, real he just had a meeting with 1427 01:47:55.760 --> 01:47:59.520 them. Those were real emotions, real feelings of what was going on. 1428 01:48:00.079 --> 01:48:02.199 They didn't know who was going to be chosen. I think that allowed them 1429 01:48:02.239 --> 01:48:06.439 to show their characters on a such a different level. I'm excited about showing 1430 01:48:06.520 --> 01:48:28.880 that more and more. Sometimes voice is deep inside me screaming over the sign 1431 01:48:29.000 --> 01:49:27.880 of its dead every day people who in my heart, but it wheals not 1432 01:49:29.640 --> 01:49:36.199 in a world that seems to be so free, the new never It's enough 1433 01:49:36.239 --> 01:49:48.800 of that. I just all of that said about the revolutionary way they're going 1434 01:49:48.880 --> 01:49:54.359 to take us behind, the very real ways our industry gets organized and programmed 1435 01:49:54.359 --> 01:49:59.119 and put together, these organic meetings that Hulk Cogen's having in the back with 1436 01:49:59.239 --> 01:50:01.880 talent that isn't told how the segments are willing to end. Fly on the 1437 01:50:01.960 --> 01:50:05.880 wall, expanding the aperture, shooting outside the impact zone so we can tell 1438 01:50:05.920 --> 01:50:10.119 ourselves and our audience and try to trick them into thinking they're not in the 1439 01:50:10.159 --> 01:50:14.079 impact zone anymore. Why can't we shoot out in the in the par Why 1440 01:50:14.079 --> 01:50:17.000 can't we shooting that? Oh way? Why can't we shoot everywhere? By? 1441 01:50:17.119 --> 01:50:21.600 Why should we? Okay, can't we shooting now all that said, 1442 01:50:21.640 --> 01:50:28.159 all this shit, the word salad that Dixie Carter just issued fourth in that 1443 01:50:28.399 --> 01:50:32.079 article, and that conference call end of the year Pro Wrestling torch. Last 1444 01:50:32.119 --> 01:50:36.159 Thursday, TNA wrapped up a disappointing year in the TV ratings department. For 1445 01:50:36.199 --> 01:50:39.880 the year, Impact delivered at one point zero two rating, averaging all fifty 1446 01:50:39.880 --> 01:50:44.159 two shows, the lowest of the last six years. Impact was down twelve 1447 01:50:44.239 --> 01:50:46.680 point eight percent compared to the one point one seven ratings average in twenty eleven. 1448 01:50:47.000 --> 01:50:49.319 And mid twenty twelve, Impact moved up one hour on Spike TV, 1449 01:50:49.439 --> 01:50:53.760 but Impact was already well on its way to a one tenth decline in TV 1450 01:50:53.880 --> 01:50:57.319 ratings compared to twenty eleven during the first half of twenty twelve. January fifth 1451 01:50:57.319 --> 01:51:00.279 to May fourth, May twenty fourth, Impact average to one point zero seven 1452 01:51:00.399 --> 01:51:01.840 rating. During the second half of the year, going an hour earlier and 1453 01:51:02.000 --> 01:51:08.640 going live throughout, Impact averaged a point ninety seven wow, the trend one 1454 01:51:08.680 --> 01:51:12.399 point one seven rating on in twenty eleven, one point zero seven rating first 1455 01:51:12.399 --> 01:51:15.600 half twenty twelve, point nine seven rating second half of twenty twelve, all 1456 01:51:15.640 --> 01:51:21.840 of which happened after Dixie just issued that vision statement. If you will being 1457 01:51:21.880 --> 01:51:27.119 a live versus taped did not make any difference, the Torch notes, contrary 1458 01:51:27.159 --> 01:51:29.600 to what TENA was selling when Impact moved up one hour in May. Unlike 1459 01:51:29.680 --> 01:51:31.640 ww RAW, which had a different problem of losing third hour viewers but getting 1460 01:51:31.640 --> 01:51:34.399 people to tune in an hour earlier at eight pm Eastern, TENA just never 1461 01:51:34.439 --> 01:51:39.119 could gain traction in the earlier first hour. This is exemplified by the following 1462 01:51:39.159 --> 01:51:42.239 statistic. Out of the thirty one episodes and tena's new time slot, only 1463 01:51:42.359 --> 01:51:45.640 five episodes scored a one point zero rating or above in the new first hour, 1464 01:51:46.279 --> 01:51:50.119 and then we'd go through the twenty seven to twenty twelve averages. The 1465 01:51:50.239 --> 01:51:55.239 article notes twenty eleven was viewed it's a rebound year for TNA after the two 1466 01:51:55.359 --> 01:51:58.680 thousand and ten Monday Night experiment, then trying to rEFInd their audience again on 1467 01:51:58.760 --> 01:52:01.840 Thursday nights. Eleven also benefited from one time rating spikes and changes to creative 1468 01:52:01.880 --> 01:52:05.399 that seemed to hold promise. In twenty twelve. TENA did not go for 1469 01:52:05.520 --> 01:52:10.800 one times rating spikes one time rating spikes, which showed good discipline, but 1470 01:52:11.199 --> 01:52:15.520 the product never really gained traction with casual viewers. TNA kept the hardcore fans 1471 01:52:15.560 --> 01:52:17.600 engaged throughout the year, but the lack of a strong central number one lead 1472 01:52:17.640 --> 01:52:23.640 star or strong hook to the product did not attract newer viewers. Midway through 1473 01:52:23.640 --> 01:52:28.399 the year, TENA introduced an angle which showed zero ratings growth short term. 1474 01:52:28.920 --> 01:52:33.079 We'll get to that angle soon, and then TNA continued with the angle well 1475 01:52:33.159 --> 01:52:40.960 passed its expiration date despite no signs of ratings growth long term. The result 1476 01:52:41.039 --> 01:52:45.279 was the peak rating of the year came in January. The peak rating of 1477 01:52:45.359 --> 01:52:49.079 twenty twelve came in January when the Jerry nineteenth episode scored a one point two 1478 01:52:49.159 --> 01:52:53.239 zero rating during the earlier time when Hogan was not around. By the way, 1479 01:52:53.600 --> 01:52:57.479 when Hogan was taking his rich or spatical, as has become the trend, 1480 01:52:58.039 --> 01:53:00.880 we don't learn though, we don't learn this ship during the earlier time 1481 01:53:00.920 --> 01:53:03.079 slot. In the second half of the year, the peak rating was at 1482 01:53:03.119 --> 01:53:05.560 one point one six rating in August twenty third, prior to the start of 1483 01:53:05.600 --> 01:53:10.840 the fall season. They go through the month by month breakdown. Did I 1484 01:53:10.920 --> 01:53:14.239 go through this already? I did? Right? They dip below one in 1485 01:53:14.319 --> 01:53:18.720 September and never come back. Most concerning in the month by month breakdown is 1486 01:53:18.760 --> 01:53:24.159 that October was the lowest rated month of twenty twelve. It reflects tena's inability 1487 01:53:24.560 --> 01:53:27.399 to get viewers excited for the culmination of the Bound for Glory series, the 1488 01:53:27.439 --> 01:53:30.239 main event for Bound for Glory and fallout from Bound for Glory setting up the 1489 01:53:30.239 --> 01:53:33.279 next season feuds and angles. Granted, TENAE was up against increased NFL competition 1490 01:53:33.319 --> 01:53:36.079 on Thursday nights, but a sudden change to the main event scene from September 1491 01:53:36.119 --> 01:53:40.239 to October at the conclusion of the Bound for Glory series contributed to a poor 1492 01:53:40.279 --> 01:53:43.800 performance in Tena's biggest month of the year. The month by month breakdown also 1493 01:53:43.800 --> 01:53:47.399 shows where momentum was lost February leading into March, which is wwb's biggest month 1494 01:53:47.439 --> 01:53:51.159 of the year, building towards WrestleMania in January. TENA was riding a wave 1495 01:53:51.199 --> 01:53:55.640 of momentum from twenty eleven, but the momentum was lost by March. Whether 1496 01:53:55.720 --> 01:53:59.600 it was the product not connecting with viewers or Bishop Now I'm Kidding or casual 1497 01:53:59.680 --> 01:54:02.079 wrestling fans getting their wrestling fix from wid in the Mania build up, TENA 1498 01:54:02.199 --> 01:54:06.640 did not recover until August, but after August, TENA lost viewers again during 1499 01:54:06.680 --> 01:54:10.720 the start of the fall season, which included more NFL games on Thursday nights. 1500 01:54:11.079 --> 01:54:14.000 The best bet for tna IS at twenty twelve was their growing pains year 1501 01:54:14.119 --> 01:54:16.560 after shaking up Creative, trying to rebuild, moving up an hour earlier to 1502 01:54:16.640 --> 01:54:23.119 make room for Bellator on Spike TV in twenty thirteen, and finding some homegrown 1503 01:54:23.159 --> 01:54:26.640 stars to build around in future years. But Creative was not strong year end, 1504 01:54:26.680 --> 01:54:29.279 with a handful of impact episodes, feeling pointless and devoid of purpose, 1505 01:54:29.520 --> 01:54:32.359 plus featuring Brookhogan in a role that is bound to turn away more viewers than 1506 01:54:32.399 --> 01:54:36.960 attract. Ouch Tina has settled into a rounded one point zero rating and one 1507 01:54:38.000 --> 01:54:40.680 point three million viewers, so it will be difficult for the show to go 1508 01:54:40.800 --> 01:54:45.359 lower than the twenty twelve average in twenty thirteen, barring a complete disaster Creatively 1509 01:54:45.399 --> 01:54:48.079 in twenty thirteen, oh Farda were visiting that statement further Homeboy and the Road 1510 01:54:48.119 --> 01:54:50.800 in Tnah. Finding one or two key stars the Torch notes to build around 1511 01:54:50.800 --> 01:54:54.119 in twenty thirteen will help, but they continue to struggle to find anyone who 1512 01:54:54.159 --> 01:54:57.800 could move the needle for this company and presenting under hyped, under sold star 1513 01:54:57.960 --> 01:55:00.079 or star matchups in a careless, flippant manner. Similar WWE is not going 1514 01:55:00.159 --> 01:55:04.680 to make a difference. Neither will the Hogan Knows Best saga or the aforementioned 1515 01:55:04.720 --> 01:55:09.239 angle and its involvement. Barring big changes from the presentation of both, twenty 1516 01:55:09.279 --> 01:55:13.159 twelve captured that story well enough, and other things that are moving and shaking 1517 01:55:13.199 --> 01:55:16.479 that are disadvantaging TNA or changes in Spike TV. Of course, they've heard 1518 01:55:16.520 --> 01:55:21.000 me mentioned the name Brian Diamond before. Do you remember that vaguely? There's 1519 01:55:21.000 --> 01:55:26.119 an executive's Spike. You can see him in the background when they showed the 1520 01:55:26.199 --> 01:55:30.520 ten A creative room during the Finding Hulk Cogan documentary on an Ey. He 1521 01:55:30.720 --> 01:55:33.880 was pretty hands on with the TENA product and was also a key partner to 1522 01:55:33.920 --> 01:55:38.720 the UFC in their years on Spike TV, growing as monstrously as they did 1523 01:55:38.920 --> 01:55:43.680 in partnership with Spike. And he really was when they talk about the network, 1524 01:55:43.920 --> 01:55:45.680 right, yeah, in angles and such, that's kind of who they're 1525 01:55:45.720 --> 01:55:50.439 picturing him and his thoughts Kevin k and Scott Fishman. But Brian Diamond leaves 1526 01:55:50.600 --> 01:55:57.079 Spike TV in two thousand and twelve and that was received as a big negative. 1527 01:55:57.119 --> 01:55:59.840 This is how the Observer put it, there's a major shake up it's 1528 01:56:00.079 --> 01:56:02.720 TV over the last two weeks. Brian Diamond, who is the senior vice 1529 01:56:02.760 --> 01:56:06.520 president of Sports and Special Programming, left to pursue other endeavors on October five, 1530 01:56:06.560 --> 01:56:14.840 although Spike made no mention of that public endeavor. That's what what do 1531 01:56:14.880 --> 01:56:24.279 you mean endeavor? Are they what would happened he went to endeavor? Well, 1532 01:56:24.439 --> 01:56:29.399 why maybe he did, We'll have to find out. I don't know. 1533 01:56:29.560 --> 01:56:31.479 I didn't improve of this. Diamond was a supporter of TNA and was 1534 01:56:31.560 --> 01:56:35.239 especially bullish on its prospects for growth when they signed hel Coogan in twenty oh 1535 01:56:35.359 --> 01:56:39.600 nine. Yeah, he was. I was not aware that did No one 1536 01:56:39.680 --> 01:56:43.920 talked to me about this. Well they did what You can also see him 1537 01:56:43.960 --> 01:56:45.960 up on the dais and around when Hogan did the Madison Square Garden press conference 1538 01:56:46.000 --> 01:56:50.359 in October two thousand and nine, and arounding his arrival in TNA Hulk who 1539 01:56:50.960 --> 01:56:54.600 So, I wouldn't call it a good thing? Diamond up melts of reports. 1540 01:56:54.600 --> 01:56:57.199 The biggest threat to TENA is on the advertising side, and that has 1541 01:56:57.239 --> 01:57:00.680 nothing to do with changes at the top of Spike. The loss of UFC 1542 01:57:00.039 --> 01:57:03.760 hurts Tena's value to Spike even with its ratings. Meltzer wrote TENA as a 1543 01:57:03.800 --> 01:57:06.960 hard selled advertisers because it's pro wrestling, plus it's off brand pro wrestling. 1544 01:57:08.600 --> 01:57:12.479 What Spike could do with UFCTV sponsors is offer them deals where if they bought 1545 01:57:12.600 --> 01:57:14.880 UFC, they could get time on TNA at a bargain rate. And with 1546 01:57:15.000 --> 01:57:17.840 UFC gone, those sponsors aren't going to stick with TNA. Wow, and 1547 01:57:18.000 --> 01:57:20.640 ratings value when it comes to wrestling with Spike in USA and sci fi is 1548 01:57:20.680 --> 01:57:24.359 too full. The first key is that Spike can push itself as having a 1549 01:57:24.399 --> 01:57:28.159 certain primetime average and having TENA boost that average, which is very important. 1550 01:57:28.199 --> 01:57:30.560 But the rating of the show individually when it's a wrestling show, isn't that 1551 01:57:30.640 --> 01:57:32.479 valuable because it can be a heart sale no matter what the rating is. 1552 01:57:33.279 --> 01:57:36.439 And remember we noted Boss that as soon as they change the name of at 1553 01:57:36.479 --> 01:57:40.960 least the television show from TNA to Impact Wrestling, suddenly this direct auto loan 1554 01:57:41.039 --> 01:57:44.319 ad shows up in the ring apron. Oh, yes, that's what it 1555 01:57:44.520 --> 01:57:48.800 is. It was too close to TNA, tits and ass for advertisers, 1556 01:57:48.960 --> 01:57:53.000 and it was one of the reasons for the change to the name Impact. 1557 01:57:53.079 --> 01:57:57.520 It made it more ad sales friendly. At the time, when Spike at 1558 01:57:57.600 --> 01:58:00.520 sales would trying to pull in clients, they would, as else are noted, 1559 01:58:00.600 --> 01:58:03.520 offer an overall deal with the entire Spike network, And of course clients 1560 01:58:03.520 --> 01:58:05.880 wanted UFC because it was so hot, especially with young men, which is 1561 01:58:05.920 --> 01:58:11.279 a very desirable demographic. So if a client wanted UFC, they would also 1562 01:58:11.399 --> 01:58:13.920 Spike offer X, Y, and Z as a means of added value. 1563 01:58:14.600 --> 01:58:18.039 So just for a little more money, you can get UFC plus more and 1564 01:58:18.359 --> 01:58:21.000 it would even go across network. Sometimes you could get Spike, but you 1565 01:58:21.039 --> 01:58:26.920 could get other Bacom properties like MTV VH one. Originally Bellator before it came 1566 01:58:26.960 --> 01:58:30.319 to Spike, was on MTV two even while a UFC was on Spike, 1567 01:58:30.439 --> 01:58:35.279 but it was clear the relationships stays were numbered, so Viacom was positioning for 1568 01:58:35.359 --> 01:58:39.880 a future beyond them, and as mentioned, they bought a majority stake in 1569 01:58:39.920 --> 01:58:45.039 bellatore Mma and put them on the air in twenty twelve or twenty twenty twelve. 1570 01:58:45.119 --> 01:58:48.319 They had like this interregnant period where there's like a year where UFC had 1571 01:58:48.359 --> 01:58:51.159 gone to Fox Sports, but they weren't able to contractually start up bellatorion on 1572 01:58:51.239 --> 01:58:56.800 Spike, so they did like an MMA talk show to fill the gap for 1573 01:58:56.840 --> 01:59:00.399 a little while and keep people engaged in MMA topics on the air, and 1574 01:59:00.520 --> 01:59:03.039 then launched Bellatour. But they eventually bought Bellator and that was Bischof's vision. 1575 01:59:03.079 --> 01:59:08.359 Bischoffics wanted that taste, he wanted he wanted Impact to sell the Spike, 1576 01:59:09.000 --> 01:59:13.119 and Bischoffice had many times in this podcast that Spike was interested in buying into 1577 01:59:13.159 --> 01:59:17.399 impacts like they bought into Bellatoor a majority stake, essentially controlling share. And 1578 01:59:18.680 --> 01:59:21.600 to hear Bishof tell it, Spike, pardon me, Dixie Carter and the 1579 01:59:21.640 --> 01:59:28.239 Carter family was just not into that. They just weren't willing to part with 1580 01:59:28.680 --> 01:59:34.159 control of their little toy asset here. That's a little thing that I don't 1581 01:59:34.199 --> 01:59:36.920 know, I lose control, then that wouldn't be their company that they could, 1582 01:59:38.199 --> 01:59:40.119 you know, go to country clubs and say I own a company that 1583 01:59:40.199 --> 01:59:44.159 Hulkogan works for and all that shit. Whatever reason the Carters stayed with TNA, 1584 01:59:44.279 --> 01:59:46.239 even though the books told them to fucking abandon ship is the reason they 1585 01:59:46.239 --> 01:59:51.119 also wouldn't sell the Spike because there's too much vanity there. It actually only 1586 01:59:51.199 --> 01:59:55.640 exists to brag about owning, and if you don't own it, the whole 1587 01:59:55.640 --> 02:00:00.680 fucking point is deleted. That's my perspective, having heard Bischoff in particular talk 1588 02:00:00.680 --> 02:00:05.520 about it in kind of edgewise fashion over the years on his podcast. But 1589 02:00:05.720 --> 02:00:11.159 that's the proposition, and all of a sudden, if UFC isn't there right 1590 02:00:11.359 --> 02:00:15.119 and you can't sprinkle TNA and as a little extra to get people to pay 1591 02:00:15.119 --> 02:00:18.520 a little more than just what the UFC audience indicates they should pay, then 1592 02:00:18.560 --> 02:00:21.760 it's not good. Of course, the hope is Bellator will fill that void 1593 02:00:21.760 --> 02:00:26.520 to some degree, but nowhere close is the clear distant number two organization and 1594 02:00:27.399 --> 02:00:30.079 the MMA business at the time, although they put a lot of resources into 1595 02:00:30.079 --> 02:00:32.279 it and really tried to pump Bellator up. And when Bellator brought in guys 1596 02:00:32.319 --> 02:00:35.600 with some UFC cashier, some legends, you know, they could pop big 1597 02:00:35.680 --> 02:00:40.279 ratings, they could do it, but it became a very strange organization in 1598 02:00:40.439 --> 02:00:45.279 terms of like it's going TNA. Honestly, it was like we have like 1599 02:00:45.399 --> 02:00:47.600 this heart of the promotion, these like young up and coming fighters in tournament 1600 02:00:47.720 --> 02:00:51.159 style, a meritocracy in terms of who gets the belt, and who gets 1601 02:00:51.199 --> 02:00:56.680 the push, who's the best gets the spotlight, and sometimes that forced Belletor 1602 02:00:56.720 --> 02:00:59.359 to put fighters in the foreground that really weren't all that marketable, especially to 1603 02:00:59.399 --> 02:01:01.239 a US audio. But you know, we do tournaments and who's left standing 1604 02:01:01.279 --> 02:01:03.840 wins the belt and that's what we go with. And it was it was 1605 02:01:03.880 --> 02:01:06.920 good, and they picked talent well and then all of a sudden, Spike 1606 02:01:08.000 --> 02:01:10.800 buys in and it's like, well, let's see how many big names from 1607 02:01:10.840 --> 02:01:13.239 the UFC we can just kind of put on the card too, right, 1608 02:01:14.079 --> 02:01:16.439 Let's let's kind of do the heart of the promotion, the X division part 1609 02:01:16.479 --> 02:01:19.680 of Bellator, but let's also bring a whole cogan when when we can, 1610 02:01:20.279 --> 02:01:25.119 of course, or Kimbo slice or wherever the case. Maybe so they were 1611 02:01:25.520 --> 02:01:28.960 they were replicating a lesson that they failed to learn. I think in the 1612 02:01:29.039 --> 02:01:33.079 way TENA an impact evolved under their nose. But that is huge. And 1613 02:01:33.199 --> 02:01:38.039 if Brian Diamond was the key person evangelizing in the Spike offices that this TNA 1614 02:01:38.119 --> 02:01:41.600 thing is still worth piling into and taking seriously and seeing upside and in the 1615 02:01:41.640 --> 02:01:45.680 future, then I think we can start to say the sands of the hour 1616 02:01:45.760 --> 02:01:48.800 glass of TNA and the Spike offices that they love visiting so much in New 1617 02:01:48.880 --> 02:01:53.880 York City are starting to drain out. They were asking for, you know, 1618 02:01:54.000 --> 02:01:56.840 more clarity on stories, just so they knew where things were going. 1619 02:01:57.039 --> 02:02:00.319 And yeah, any opportunities that might create for a sales or integrations. That's 1620 02:02:00.319 --> 02:02:03.239 all they care about. You know, we can talk all day about Spike 1621 02:02:03.319 --> 02:02:08.960 caring about if Vince Russo's writing the show or if Hogan's doing this on TV 1622 02:02:09.439 --> 02:02:13.880 or story by. They just want to sell ads. That's it. It's 1623 02:02:13.960 --> 02:02:17.960 crazy. If they're not selling ads, they don't give a fuck about TNA. 1624 02:02:18.000 --> 02:02:24.039 All of a sudden and they're they're you know, diplomatic. It's not 1625 02:02:24.159 --> 02:02:26.640 like they're saying this person at TNA was good to work with, this person 1626 02:02:26.800 --> 02:02:30.600 was bad. You won't get that out of them. They will sort of 1627 02:02:30.640 --> 02:02:33.439 paint broadly and say they were all, you know, good to work with 1628 02:02:34.079 --> 02:02:38.399 and not not true negative things to say about any of them. There was 1629 02:02:38.479 --> 02:02:41.640 typical nonsense that would come up, but overall, respectful, easy to work 1630 02:02:41.720 --> 02:02:45.760 with, a good group of partners. Dixie still is looked at favorably, 1631 02:02:45.800 --> 02:02:48.600 I think by the impact by the Spike folks. The folks that, um, 1632 02:02:49.199 --> 02:02:53.319 you know, we're still thereafter they left the network, though certainly the 1633 02:02:53.399 --> 02:02:59.359 story of how it finally came down between T and A and Spike doesn't indicate 1634 02:02:59.399 --> 02:03:02.119 that there would be very positive, mushy feelings between the parties afterwards. But 1635 02:03:02.239 --> 02:03:06.960 whatever, that's the song they're singing, so they're you know, they start 1636 02:03:08.000 --> 02:03:11.000 to ask for a little bit more clarity, as Bischoff has talked about, 1637 02:03:11.039 --> 02:03:14.479 around where storylines are going and how it's structuring and if there's any opportunities there 1638 02:03:14.520 --> 02:03:17.319 to lean in. They did one in San Diego before a show in Salt 1639 02:03:17.399 --> 02:03:24.239 Lake City when John Guberrick gets involved with creative you heard him reference to So 1640 02:03:24.359 --> 02:03:29.319 they had some ideas, but what you know, make no mistake, you 1641 02:03:29.399 --> 02:03:30.760 know, they were just trying to connect the dots for Spike, explain new 1642 02:03:30.800 --> 02:03:33.720 talent they wanted to bring in. But there's no debate here. Okay. 1643 02:03:34.960 --> 02:03:39.840 It's like there's no Spike saying no, let's not do that. It's look 1644 02:03:39.880 --> 02:03:43.000 good, yep, okay, good, thank you. That's all it is. 1645 02:03:45.760 --> 02:03:50.159 So that's starting to evolve and devolve at the same time in terms of 1646 02:03:50.199 --> 02:03:55.399 the dynamic here in twenty twelve between Spike and Impact and you can just look 1647 02:03:55.439 --> 02:03:59.079 at the ratings pattern that we've spent so much time talking about here to get 1648 02:03:59.119 --> 02:04:01.199 a flavor as to why. But I mean, Boss, you heard Dixie's 1649 02:04:01.279 --> 02:04:05.760 remarks there. I mean, she sounds like she's embracing something that she's been 1650 02:04:05.880 --> 02:04:09.920 sold as different than what they've been doing, you know what I mean. 1651 02:04:10.079 --> 02:04:14.399 But it's not different, as I hear explain everything she said, with the 1652 02:04:14.439 --> 02:04:16.399 possible exception of the gut check, which we'll talk about, it's been happening. 1653 02:04:16.520 --> 02:04:18.880 It's just Hogan was a heel doing it. Hogan was a heel, 1654 02:04:19.600 --> 02:04:24.119 you know, booking the show, deciding who don't you see, don't you 1655 02:04:24.239 --> 02:04:27.960 see it's a difference. So Hogan got like two years of pay days, 1656 02:04:28.319 --> 02:04:30.479 a year and a half of pay days out of, you know, doing 1657 02:04:30.520 --> 02:04:34.199 a show built around his decision making. Except he was a heel. So 1658 02:04:34.319 --> 02:04:36.880 the story was sort of like, who can get out from under his nose 1659 02:04:36.920 --> 02:04:42.680 and buck his authority and reclaim TNA. Now that that's played out and that 1660 02:04:44.079 --> 02:04:45.239 that candle has burned out, now we'll just make him a face and do 1661 02:04:45.319 --> 02:04:48.720 the whole thing again for another year and a half. So fucking dumb, 1662 02:04:49.079 --> 02:04:55.319 that's Hogan. Um, they mentioned the gut check, and this is another 1663 02:04:55.359 --> 02:04:58.800 innovation they have the open flight. Yeah right, that's what I was That's 1664 02:04:58.800 --> 02:05:00.319 what I was going to ask if this was and the gut check two different 1665 02:05:00.359 --> 02:05:03.800 things. So Open Fight night. Hogan comes out when we can Impact us 1666 02:05:03.800 --> 02:05:06.600 we'll talk about as we deep dive this time period in TNA here on this 1667 02:05:06.720 --> 02:05:12.479 episode and just basically says there's going to be one night a month on Impact 1668 02:05:13.199 --> 02:05:16.960 where anybody can come out and challenge anybody, including champions, and they absolutely 1669 02:05:17.079 --> 02:05:20.600 have to answer the challenge and fight the person. Okay, And it's just 1670 02:05:21.000 --> 02:05:26.079 you know, another just adding this sort of superficial layer on top of the 1671 02:05:26.159 --> 02:05:29.159 wrestling show that makes nothing better or worse. I mean, they're they're putting 1672 02:05:29.640 --> 02:05:32.199 as always, they're putting a fucking band aid, you know, like they're 1673 02:05:32.239 --> 02:05:39.760 not actually solving the problem. They're just they're just lipstick on a pig that 1674 02:05:39.800 --> 02:05:43.159 they're just they're adding like a like a front gate to something that doesn't need 1675 02:05:43.159 --> 02:05:45.920 a front gate, or they're like adding an overlay to something that is not 1676 02:05:46.039 --> 02:05:49.079 good. I mean, it's just or at least it's underdeveloped, Like the 1677 02:05:49.199 --> 02:05:54.479 focus shouldn't be on how we structure getting to the match, you know, 1678 02:05:54.640 --> 02:05:57.520 or how the match gets made. But the match, right, right, 1679 02:05:57.600 --> 02:06:00.640 no one, no one's going to ask about how this person got the opportunity 1680 02:06:00.119 --> 02:06:03.760 if the match of the promo were fun to watch more so, nobody cares. 1681 02:06:03.800 --> 02:06:08.319 Nobody gives a shit about that part of the business. That's not interesting. 1682 02:06:08.479 --> 02:06:12.840 And when you're creatively bankrupt, you have to sell everybody on the idea 1683 02:06:12.880 --> 02:06:18.039 that it is interesting because you spend so little time seeking out actual creative inspiration. 1684 02:06:18.359 --> 02:06:20.840 And Bischoff said it there, he told on himself laziness. Right, 1685 02:06:21.479 --> 02:06:26.199 It's like he's not going to take the time to try to understand what TA 1686 02:06:26.279 --> 02:06:29.600 could do that would actually feel different. Oh, if I can put words 1687 02:06:29.600 --> 02:06:33.239 in his mouth, he's really just gonna put on paper whatever occurs to him 1688 02:06:33.720 --> 02:06:38.079 in the you know, hour a week that he tells himself he's going to 1689 02:06:38.119 --> 02:06:41.239 focus on writing this thing, right while pursuing what he sees to be a 1690 02:06:42.000 --> 02:06:45.840 continuously fruitful reality television career, so much show that he just basically decides to 1691 02:06:45.880 --> 02:06:48.680 make impact a reality show. The way Dixie Carter is talking about the structure 1692 02:06:48.680 --> 02:06:51.159 of the show, Oh exactly, it's what all it is like she's talking 1693 02:06:51.199 --> 02:07:01.399 about it being this fucking this a reality show, talking about reality television and 1694 02:07:01.800 --> 02:07:06.600 whatever, and it's like Jesus Christ, lady like it kind of it's supposed 1695 02:07:06.640 --> 02:07:13.000 to already be quote unquote reality television. Like it's like, you know, 1696 02:07:13.359 --> 02:07:18.520 like a story but story and things that work in PowerPoint decks to reality producers 1697 02:07:18.560 --> 02:07:23.319 after Teenago's out of business. But you understand, there's a story Bible. 1698 02:07:24.079 --> 02:07:26.880 We got it. You know, there's a story Bible, story Bible where 1699 02:07:27.039 --> 02:07:29.840 the network just sits there and nods along like they could give a fuck what's 1700 02:07:29.880 --> 02:07:33.880 in your story Bible. So gut check is another notion. And what this 1701 02:07:34.159 --> 02:07:38.279 is is exactly what she's talking about. We're going to take the process of 1702 02:07:39.000 --> 02:07:45.600 screening, uh, scouting and critiquing talent. It's basically, remember tough enough. 1703 02:07:45.600 --> 02:07:48.640 They would have the judges Kevin Dunn and shit and John Godberrick. Interestingly 1704 02:07:48.800 --> 02:07:53.319 enough, oh and they're looking at these contestants and they're making comments about their 1705 02:07:53.399 --> 02:07:56.119 look, their charisma, their appeal, their athletic ability. Once they get 1706 02:07:56.159 --> 02:07:58.840 in the ring and do some drills, that space they put that in the 1707 02:07:58.920 --> 02:08:01.960 in the ring on the actual bus of the main Impact Television show. What's 1708 02:08:03.000 --> 02:08:07.479 wrong with man? So these guys come out, aren't you compelled? These 1709 02:08:07.560 --> 02:08:09.880 women come out, these upstarts that don't have TEENACN, which is also a 1710 02:08:09.920 --> 02:08:13.880 great way to save money, right because you can you put these people one, 1711 02:08:13.279 --> 02:08:16.720 assign them to contracts when you put them in the gut check stream and 1712 02:08:16.800 --> 02:08:20.239 they go in there and they cut promos and they have matches, and then 1713 02:08:20.439 --> 02:08:26.600 judges like Al Snow and Tazz and Rick Flair and Bruce Pritchard on the actual 1714 02:08:26.760 --> 02:08:31.680 show critique the performance that wrestler just going so fucking frost Check one. This 1715 02:08:31.840 --> 02:08:35.399 is Tas being confronted by Hulk, not confronted, but Hulk is thanking Taz 1716 02:08:35.560 --> 02:08:39.600 backstage for agreeing to be a gut check judge. Tell me you're not compelled 1717 02:08:39.640 --> 02:08:43.279 after hearing this, You know, Taz, I really appreciate you stepping up 1718 02:08:43.439 --> 02:08:46.720 because of all the change that's going on here. Some people come up to 1719 02:08:46.800 --> 02:08:50.920 the table and some people walk away. And I love the way you didn't 1720 02:08:50.960 --> 02:08:56.680 sugarcoat things I heard about, the deliberation. You keep everybody in check for 1721 02:08:56.960 --> 02:08:58.840 this gut check segment. Listen, man, I look hold. I can't 1722 02:09:00.079 --> 02:09:03.960 thank you enough for the opportunity to be part of Gut Check with Al Snow 1723 02:09:03.039 --> 02:09:07.079 and Bruce Pritchett. I mean, and tonight's live, man, So we're 1724 02:09:07.079 --> 02:09:09.159 gonna see this kid's fate and you know the things I want to understand something 1725 02:09:09.199 --> 02:09:13.159 you know me? Oh fair, you know me as tas to call a 1726 02:09:13.199 --> 02:09:16.840 commentator all saying. Also, but this deal here, you're gonna get the 1727 02:09:16.960 --> 02:09:18.840 real tasks. Some people don't like the real Tasm'm just letting you know that. 1728 02:09:20.079 --> 02:09:22.880 I don't care about that. All I care about is you call him 1729 02:09:22.960 --> 02:09:26.119 like you see him. If this kid pulls a rabbit out of the hat, 1730 02:09:26.279 --> 02:09:28.279 well then maybe you can save his life as nod brother, do what 1731 02:09:28.399 --> 02:09:31.720 you gotta do. But this is the future of this company, this gut 1732 02:09:31.840 --> 02:09:37.039 check that we got going, This is our future, man. That's why 1733 02:09:37.079 --> 02:09:39.279 I needed you, brother. Then, thank you for stepping up. Thank 1734 02:09:39.319 --> 02:09:43.279 you wow Roller. So what do you hear? Their boss? That's it 1735 02:09:43.359 --> 02:09:50.119 all? What do you I hear? Bullshit? I mean, I hear 1736 02:09:50.199 --> 02:09:58.039 nothing, I hear exactly. All I hear is just gums flapping. We're 1737 02:09:58.079 --> 02:10:05.079 gonna put the process of selecting NXT recruits on Raw, the main show. 1738 02:10:07.039 --> 02:10:11.319 What's wrong with Them? That's going to take up like thirty minutes, and 1739 02:10:11.920 --> 02:10:18.159 here's a little taste of what the backstage deliberations look like as they watch tape. 1740 02:10:18.239 --> 02:10:20.279 In this case, it's on Joey Ryan, who would go on to 1741 02:10:22.000 --> 02:10:26.840 fame and infamy as well in the wrestling space doing the porn star gimmick with 1742 02:10:26.000 --> 02:10:33.319 the dick spots and all that. Remember, all the weird So he's he's 1743 02:10:33.359 --> 02:10:37.560 very much exiled from the business now due to allegations. But this is back 1744 02:10:37.600 --> 02:10:39.600 when he was, you know, trying to get over with the porn star 1745 02:10:39.720 --> 02:10:46.399 mustache from the seventies. Look, and this is Bruce Pritchard, Al Snow 1746 02:10:46.239 --> 02:10:54.800 and Tazz sitting in chairs backstage on Impact evaluating talent for our entertainment enjoyment. 1747 02:10:54.920 --> 02:11:03.079 It cut checked two point judging panel deliberation room here and I'm on it to 1748 02:11:03.119 --> 02:11:05.079 be here until Dixie that I mean, I'm you know, I respect both 1749 02:11:05.119 --> 02:11:07.119 you guys a lot. You know that. You know we're gonna butt heads 1750 02:11:07.159 --> 02:11:13.479 over time with this. You know we're gonna you and I have Maybe at 1751 02:11:13.560 --> 02:11:18.159 least this time we're getting something. Maybe we'll see round two. Well, 1752 02:11:18.199 --> 02:11:22.479 we got Joey Ryan, the last competitor for gut Check. He's interesting he 1753 02:11:22.640 --> 02:11:26.159 is. I admire his mustache. Okay, well well let's start there. 1754 02:11:26.199 --> 02:11:31.520 Then let let's let's talk about his look. Yeah, I think he has 1755 02:11:31.520 --> 02:11:35.079 a unique look. I like it. It's kind of like Austin Aris and 1756 02:11:35.159 --> 02:11:39.199 I had a love job. But nonetheless, he's got a different look. 1757 02:11:39.560 --> 02:11:43.399 He doesn't have that clean cut male model underwear look. You know, he 1758 02:11:43.560 --> 02:11:48.239 stands out. I agree with you, he looks different for that. I 1759 02:11:48.319 --> 02:11:50.720 mean, there's something to be said for that alone. He gets your attention 1760 02:11:50.720 --> 02:11:54.079 to mean, to me, he looked like a reject from nineteen seventies porn 1761 02:11:54.119 --> 02:11:56.720 flick. That's the gimmick, though, bro, I understand trying to be 1762 02:11:56.800 --> 02:12:03.199 a gimmick, but in a world of reality where we're trying to accentuate the 1763 02:12:03.359 --> 02:12:05.720 talent and what they truly are, I think he's trying to be something that 1764 02:12:05.800 --> 02:12:11.399 he's not. But I disagree. I think that is who is to without 1765 02:12:11.600 --> 02:12:13.760 Without a whole video on a guy and people to put him over and talking 1766 02:12:13.760 --> 02:12:16.720 about him, you could see who he is. He's some guy who's got 1767 02:12:16.760 --> 02:12:20.119 this seventies look that you know, maybe sits on the couch like upsetting. 1768 02:12:20.600 --> 02:12:26.560 You know, some of the fans that actually came into Twitter thought that he 1769 02:12:26.680 --> 02:12:33.720 was actually better than Alex Silva, the first Gut Check participant who ended up 1770 02:12:33.760 --> 02:12:37.399 getting a contract, who swayed us at the end with a passionate promo. 1771 02:12:39.199 --> 02:12:41.279 I cannot tell you something like, well, Joey Ryan did that that. 1772 02:12:41.880 --> 02:12:46.000 This turned me. This kind of pissed me off. Like calling his match, 1773 02:12:46.159 --> 02:12:50.159 watching it, he didn't know who he's gonna face, and boom, 1774 02:12:50.760 --> 02:12:54.119 here comes the Exhivision champion, Boston Aris. As soon as aries comes out, 1775 02:12:56.239 --> 02:13:00.680 Joey Ryan, Okay, he stayed in character, but you don't want 1776 02:13:00.920 --> 02:13:03.479 He didn't look like he was about to be in a fight for his life. 1777 02:13:05.279 --> 02:13:09.920 And that's what bothered me as a former competitor. You got a kid 1778 02:13:09.000 --> 02:13:13.760 who is coming in, as you say, fighting for his life, and 1779 02:13:13.640 --> 02:13:16.800 I don't know what the hell he's doing. Time it's entertaining, I know 1780 02:13:16.960 --> 02:13:20.720 that much. Yet Okay, maybe it's entertaining, maybe it's traction. But 1781 02:13:22.039 --> 02:13:24.640 right here, bam, and he goes up to the ropes. Like see, 1782 02:13:24.640 --> 02:13:26.319 that's what I'm saying. It's like he's you know, it's a tough 1783 02:13:26.399 --> 02:13:30.399 thing for these guys. They get an opportunity on Gut Check to have a 1784 02:13:30.520 --> 02:13:35.000 fa their dreams come true, so they don't know where to be. Do 1785 02:13:35.159 --> 02:13:37.640 I show my character all away? Am I in a fight? Am? 1786 02:13:37.840 --> 02:13:39.760 Well, that's the balance we're looking for. You gotta have that balance. 1787 02:13:41.079 --> 02:13:43.079 You gotta have that little nuance that you're in a fight. You have to 1788 02:13:43.159 --> 02:13:46.680 have the time. I don't think he did that. He did a great 1789 02:13:46.760 --> 02:13:50.239 job. I don't think that he went so bad that he took it. 1790 02:13:50.359 --> 02:13:54.039 Not seriously. You don't you think he took it seriously? Yeah, I 1791 02:13:54.119 --> 02:13:56.039 thought he did a good job. I really did. I thought that Joey. 1792 02:13:56.159 --> 02:14:01.680 I thought Joey did a good job. Did he blow me away? 1793 02:14:03.079 --> 02:14:05.199 Not? Really? Do I remember him? Yes? Which is also good. 1794 02:14:05.319 --> 02:14:09.079 And he has some great attributes. He has a lot of positives. 1795 02:14:09.800 --> 02:14:13.239 You also have to weigh those negatives, and you do have to. You 1796 02:14:13.319 --> 02:14:18.560 do have to throw the negatives into the mix. He's got one last opportunity 1797 02:14:18.960 --> 02:14:22.560 to sell us. He's got to tell us exactly whether or not this this 1798 02:14:22.800 --> 02:14:26.880 is for him and really convince us one way or the other, it's possible. 1799 02:14:28.079 --> 02:14:33.119 It is, it is possible. It's possible. So we've already been 1800 02:14:33.159 --> 02:14:37.079 down that road, so you know, maybe we get there again, maybe 1801 02:14:37.159 --> 02:14:39.800 not, Maybe that's where we'll see the heart. Maybe that's where we'll see 1802 02:14:39.800 --> 02:14:43.600 the fashion player or lack of air. So you admit that you didn't see 1803 02:14:43.640 --> 02:14:46.640 harten him in this match. I didn't say, I just know I did 1804 02:14:46.680 --> 02:14:50.680 not. Maybe it will see even more or not convince whoever setting on the 1805 02:14:50.760 --> 02:14:54.479 fence to dreams a lifestyle change. It's what you work for. It's right 1806 02:14:54.520 --> 02:14:58.680 there for this kid got to cut that promo and cut the promo of his 1807 02:14:58.800 --> 02:15:18.680 life. We'll see what I I can't tell you how annoyed I am. 1808 02:15:20.159 --> 02:15:31.119 I wish you would I I I that was on the day I'm number one? 1809 02:15:35.760 --> 02:15:43.479 Why are they talking for that fucking wrong? I don't need all the 1810 02:15:43.520 --> 02:15:46.359 ins and outs. You know what, if you're gonna do first of all, 1811 02:15:46.399 --> 02:15:48.319 it's a bad idea to begin with, right, This is a stupid 1812 02:15:48.359 --> 02:15:50.239 fucking ideed to begin with. All Right, But if you're gonna actually go 1813 02:15:50.439 --> 02:15:56.760 through with this stupid idea, just say he sucks or he doesn't suck, 1814 02:15:56.960 --> 02:16:01.399 and move on. Yeh. I don't need your reasons, because you know 1815 02:16:01.439 --> 02:16:07.560 what. Your reasons don't fucking matter. Like I'm not curious about the intelligent 1816 02:16:07.640 --> 02:16:15.479 insights of two fucking of three fucking CARNI workers, you know what wrestling is 1817 02:16:15.479 --> 02:16:20.039 missing, and it got, for a brief moment here chopped. Yeah right, 1818 02:16:24.079 --> 02:16:26.760 I know, I you know that would be great if actually the guys 1819 02:16:28.279 --> 02:16:31.920 to see maybe I might watch that. Actually, if there was a wrestling 1820 02:16:31.040 --> 02:16:35.680 version of Chopped, and you had three idiotic judges fucking standing up there and 1821 02:16:35.799 --> 02:16:41.319 like each one, like all the competitors had to like have a match with 1822 02:16:41.399 --> 02:16:45.319 each other or something, would be hilarious, actually hilarious, but it would 1823 02:16:45.319 --> 02:16:50.799 not, But it would be hilarious to watch. That's what this was. 1824 02:16:52.799 --> 02:16:56.639 So it sucks so fucking stool. Even calling it chopped is a pretty good 1825 02:16:56.639 --> 02:17:01.360 double entendre. I know, actually it is. I mean, I don't 1826 02:17:01.399 --> 02:17:05.559 see the problem. I think it was really gripping to hear these guys go 1827 02:17:05.639 --> 02:17:09.879 back and forth about whether the kid has upside, about whether the kid projects 1828 02:17:09.200 --> 02:17:13.559 reality, about whether the kid believes. Can you imagine if that's how they 1829 02:17:13.639 --> 02:17:18.879 really talk, If that's if that's how they really than I am. If 1830 02:17:18.959 --> 02:17:22.479 that's how these guys got over and wrestling, then what the fuck? Like 1831 02:17:24.239 --> 02:17:33.239 they didn't? Okay, like they're all fucking goofballs. They're you know, 1832 02:17:33.399 --> 02:17:37.959 they're using such coded language for like their gut feeling got check. Indeed, 1833 02:17:37.360 --> 02:17:39.719 you know what I mean, it's like my bias, It's all it's like 1834 02:17:39.799 --> 02:17:45.360 this this this like torrent of bias, you know, which is fine. 1835 02:17:45.360 --> 02:17:48.399 I mean, everyone's biased, but they're trying to like objectify their bias. 1836 02:17:48.440 --> 02:17:52.600 They're trying to like make it sound like there's something analytical about their gut feeling 1837 02:17:52.600 --> 02:17:56.760 on whether someone's worth a shit or not. And if that's the compelling stuff 1838 02:17:56.799 --> 02:18:00.200 that goes on backstage at TNA that they absolutely just have to put on on 1839 02:18:00.280 --> 02:18:03.440 the screen because we have to see it because that's the next evolution of this 1840 02:18:03.559 --> 02:18:05.600 business or this company or whatever. The fuck? Than my god, are 1841 02:18:05.639 --> 02:18:09.200 they dumber than I thought? And not? Am I even more bearish on 1842 02:18:09.239 --> 02:18:11.879 their prospects than I thought I was, Because seriously, that is boring. 1843 02:18:13.479 --> 02:18:16.959 What we just heard is so it was excruciating, scruciatingly boring. And I'll 1844 02:18:18.000 --> 02:18:20.799 tell you what. The person they're talking about, I don't care who it 1845 02:18:20.959 --> 02:18:22.879 is, has no chance of getting over after that, of course, not 1846 02:18:24.040 --> 02:18:28.280 no chance at all, because now you're you immediately see this wrestler as having 1847 02:18:28.319 --> 02:18:33.280 absolutely no agency in their success or lack they're of in the wrestling rank, 1848 02:18:33.479 --> 02:18:37.760 they now have. No they've completely stripped away any sense, which is all 1849 02:18:37.799 --> 02:18:41.600 the wrestling fan wants. That these guys are actually the agents of their own 1850 02:18:41.639 --> 02:18:46.120 destiny, that they're going to go out every there, every week, and 1851 02:18:46.239 --> 02:18:48.840 they have the ability to control whether they sink or swim in the wrestling ranks. 1852 02:18:50.879 --> 02:18:54.360 Now, it's just it comes down to this, these guys who are 1853 02:18:54.440 --> 02:19:03.200 like seventy pounds heavier than they should be passing judgment and just like you know, 1854 02:19:03.360 --> 02:19:05.159 the three lessons they learned about how to get over in their own right, 1855 02:19:05.840 --> 02:19:09.399 extrapolating that to how everybody can or cannot get over in the business. 1856 02:19:11.840 --> 02:19:15.319 I just if that's how If that's how it really works, If this is 1857 02:19:15.319 --> 02:19:20.600 what Dixie said it was a faithful representation of how decisions are actually made in 1858 02:19:20.680 --> 02:19:24.319 wrestling, or a tena and specific, then I am just I am deeply 1859 02:19:24.440 --> 02:19:30.159 forget it. Forget it. You should be what a bunch of shit they 1860 02:19:30.239 --> 02:19:33.680 thought that was the next move. And all the things we're gonna hear from 1861 02:19:33.680 --> 02:19:37.799 Wholekogan scouting, deciding, hearing pitches, he brings up formats, does he 1862 02:19:37.920 --> 02:19:41.799 not boss? Does he not hold a format in his hand? And ask 1863 02:19:41.879 --> 02:19:45.120 these a room full of wrestlers, do you know what this is? It's 1864 02:19:45.120 --> 02:19:48.440 a format? What are we doing? We are not fans of the production 1865 02:19:48.479 --> 02:19:54.200 of wrestling. We are fans of wrestling, and if the production helps us 1866 02:19:54.239 --> 02:19:56.559 enjoy the wrestling, then it is additive and it is necessary and it is 1867 02:19:56.680 --> 02:20:03.520 vital. But we do not give the first fuck about that early stage of 1868 02:20:03.559 --> 02:20:09.319 the process. No, I want to see a guy come in who is 1869 02:20:09.360 --> 02:20:13.479 already defined in a way. I know, the guy who's already passed this 1870 02:20:13.559 --> 02:20:16.680 test. Why are we bothering? Right? If they don't pass the sniff 1871 02:20:16.719 --> 02:20:20.840 test? Why they even anywhere near TNA? I believe Bruce called it the 1872 02:20:20.879 --> 02:20:28.760 deliberation room, boss. Isn't that what wrestling is missing? TNH twenty twelve 1873 02:20:30.879 --> 02:20:35.840 record low average rating. It's only getting better. There's a gut check for 1874 02:20:35.959 --> 02:20:41.479 you. And if that wasn't absurd enough for we deep dive the matches before 1875 02:20:41.559 --> 02:20:46.159 us here this week. This is also the year where Hokogan, at least 1876 02:20:46.159 --> 02:20:52.319 in the early part of twenty twelve, really cranks up the absurdity in media 1877 02:20:52.399 --> 02:21:00.559 interviews and larger, you know, public relations appearances. This from j twenty 1878 02:21:00.600 --> 02:21:05.879 sixty twelve. It ran in aol Music, but it references an interview that 1879 02:21:05.959 --> 02:21:11.559 Hulkogan gave to the Sun in the UK. The headline is Hulk Hogan almost 1880 02:21:11.600 --> 02:21:16.600 joined Metallica. Oh no, this is when this happened. This is when 1881 02:21:16.639 --> 02:21:22.680 he said this one of his all time greatest whoppers with cheese and another piece 1882 02:21:22.680 --> 02:21:28.159 of news that sounds at once outlandish and also weirdly appropriate at Hulk Hogan once 1883 02:21:28.239 --> 02:21:33.000 almost joined an early version of Metallica, the wwwwe Living legend and start of 1884 02:21:33.120 --> 02:21:39.760 three Ninjas high Noon at Mega Mountain. Apparently found work as a session musician, 1885 02:21:39.840 --> 02:21:45.639 apparently being the keyword there before becoming the super destroyer. In between Hogan 1886 02:21:45.680 --> 02:21:48.120 and Metallica, there is a sheered affinity for handlebar mustaches. I used to 1887 02:21:48.120 --> 02:21:52.360 be a session musician before I was a wrestler, Hogan Tolts. I played 1888 02:21:52.360 --> 02:21:54.399 bass guitar. I was big pals with Laurez ull Rich and he asked me 1889 02:21:54.440 --> 02:21:58.200 if I wanted to play bass with Metallica in their early days, but it 1890 02:21:58.280 --> 02:22:05.760 didn't work out. Pardon me first, Lars hull Rich. Let's get to 1891 02:22:05.799 --> 02:22:16.680 Google on hull Cogan. It's from Loudwire. Oh my god, they comment, 1892 02:22:16.959 --> 02:22:20.879 Yes, Lars all Rich doesn't recall offering Hulk Cogan a spot in Metallica 1893 02:22:20.159 --> 02:22:24.280 good, nor should you. Ulrich was diplomatic in his rebuttal of the story. 1894 02:22:24.360 --> 02:22:28.799 An interview in Howard Stern's radio show this week, ull Rich explained that 1895 02:22:28.840 --> 02:22:31.639 he is nearly a photographic memory, does not know Hull Hogan, and has 1896 02:22:31.719 --> 02:22:39.440 no recollection of inviting him to join the band. The band he wasn't the 1897 02:22:39.479 --> 02:22:41.399 band for a second, but he wasn't the band. To be honest here, 1898 02:22:41.440 --> 02:22:48.440 he said he had his people called Metallica's people, but he never heard 1899 02:22:48.479 --> 02:22:52.120 back, and a Stern interview, Ulrich said the story seems much more plausible 1900 02:22:52.120 --> 02:22:54.600 that he called and they never called back. He says, you know what, 1901 02:22:54.680 --> 02:22:56.520 I'm bless or curse, depending on how you look at it, with 1902 02:22:56.600 --> 02:22:58.319 having more or less a photographic memory for pretty much anything than I've been a 1903 02:22:58.360 --> 02:23:01.319 part of. Lars told Howard Stern that one when that showed up to the 1904 02:23:01.399 --> 02:23:03.879 three months ago, I was scratching my head over that one. Unless he 1905 02:23:03.920 --> 02:23:07.159 went by. I don't know Hulkegan. I don't know enoughbout him. I'm 1906 02:23:07.159 --> 02:23:09.799 not a huge wrestling fan. Unless he went by like his Christian name or 1907 02:23:09.840 --> 02:23:11.159 something and I don't know if anybody knows what his Christian name was, Dave 1908 02:23:11.200 --> 02:23:16.520 Smith name, Yeah, exactly, this Christian name. There was a whole 1909 02:23:16.559 --> 02:23:18.079 thing that we had him under a different name. But I certainly have no 1910 02:23:18.200 --> 02:23:24.719 recollection of doing anything with quote hug Yeah, the otherything under Thaddius Balia. 1911 02:23:33.559 --> 02:23:39.319 Oh my god. So that's l Tilgan. That's the absurdity. That's the 1912 02:23:39.399 --> 02:23:43.680 fun house we're about to dive back into here as the calendar turns to twenty 1913 02:23:43.959 --> 02:23:50.319 twelve in TNA under the Hulkster. So we're gonna hear in a moment prepared 1914 02:23:50.360 --> 02:23:56.079 to cup our ear and hear what a general manager Hulkogan baby face style has 1915 02:23:56.239 --> 02:24:00.479 for us. But all of this said, all of this saying, all 1916 02:24:00.559 --> 02:24:07.520 of this TNAS about twenty twelve, it all pales in comparison to what is 1917 02:24:07.559 --> 02:24:13.000 really the most historically significant thing about twenty twelve, which Hugan in DNA. 1918 02:24:15.360 --> 02:24:18.159 I don't know if you realize this, Boss TNA certainly didn't realize it as 1919 02:24:18.200 --> 02:24:20.959 it happened, and nobody planned for this to go down in history the way 1920 02:24:22.000 --> 02:24:28.600 it did. But we need to talk about Hulk Hogan's final wrestling match. 1921 02:24:28.840 --> 02:24:35.120 Whoa let your mind turn think about it. What did you think his last 1922 02:24:35.159 --> 02:24:46.159 match was? Um? I thought, God, I don't know where I 1923 02:24:46.200 --> 02:24:48.600 really thought it was. I guess I don't know. That's the thing, 1924 02:24:50.399 --> 02:24:54.760 because I I'm trying to think here, and I don't recall ever really knowing 1925 02:24:56.559 --> 02:25:01.680 about any of the matches he had in TNA, right, Um, So 1926 02:25:01.920 --> 02:25:05.959 I couldn't tell you what I thought. It was all the hoopla around the 1927 02:25:05.040 --> 02:25:11.000 sting match and the retirement you know, preambles that they did on television, 1928 02:25:11.040 --> 02:25:13.479 and the fact that he was able to get in there after all of those 1929 02:25:13.559 --> 02:25:16.600 back surgeries in the final fusion surgery and take a couple bumps in the match 1930 02:25:16.639 --> 02:25:20.319 and move around pretty well for about ten minutes. Yeah, you know you 1931 02:25:20.360 --> 02:25:24.879 wouldn't. Um, you could forgive TNA for not trying to really drive that 1932 02:25:24.959 --> 02:25:28.520 bound for glory match home as Hogan's last match. Thank Everyone, including Hogan, 1933 02:25:28.600 --> 02:25:31.239 probably held out hope that there were some more you know, abbreviated gimmicked 1934 02:25:31.280 --> 02:25:35.719 up but still matches left in the tank for the guy. And they certainly 1935 02:25:35.799 --> 02:25:37.680 didn't have any you know, grand plan of which I'm sure if they knew 1936 02:25:39.040 --> 02:25:41.840 what date on the calendar to circle as whole Cogan's last match. They would 1937 02:25:41.840 --> 02:25:43.680 have made a huge deal out of it. They would have, of course 1938 02:25:43.760 --> 02:25:46.920 if you if you actually had a retirement match, promoted it to the hilt. 1939 02:25:46.079 --> 02:25:52.239 But um, we're going to be talking in part two about ten A 1940 02:25:52.360 --> 02:25:56.079 venturing to the United Kingdom in January of twenty twelve to tape some really hot 1941 02:25:56.159 --> 02:26:01.000 television shows. You know, it's a market that and A always sort of 1942 02:26:01.079 --> 02:26:03.680 over indexed in in terms of popularity. They had a very strong television clearance 1943 02:26:03.719 --> 02:26:09.000 in the UK during this point in time, and it was a place that 1944 02:26:09.040 --> 02:26:11.319 they really like to go because it made them feel big league, you know, 1945 02:26:11.520 --> 02:26:18.239 sizeable crowds, a lot of enthusiasm. Fans were much more likely to 1946 02:26:18.280 --> 02:26:20.879 be familiar with the characters and storylines in the UK than they were in the 1947 02:26:20.000 --> 02:26:26.840 US when they went on the road. Here brother and Hulk's making the trip 1948 02:26:26.879 --> 02:26:30.760 because he's got an angle to shoot Visavi Garrett and Eric Bischoff for the Impact 1949 02:26:30.799 --> 02:26:35.159 television show. Plenty of towns booked out in the UK and you know a 1950 02:26:35.280 --> 02:26:41.040 brother, these uh, these Gates and Nottingham and Manchester. Brother and the 1951 02:26:41.200 --> 02:26:43.840 end of January, they're not looking too bad, dude, Maybe the Hulkster. 1952 02:26:46.520 --> 02:26:48.479 I mean, you know, these people are here in a lot of 1953 02:26:48.520 --> 02:26:52.760 ways to see Hule Comania for the first time live in eighteen years? Brother, 1954 02:26:52.559 --> 02:26:56.159 aren't o? Brother? Maybe it's time I take the shirt off, 1955 02:26:56.239 --> 02:27:00.479 dude. No, these gates, dude, I mean, I'm gonna be 1956 02:27:00.479 --> 02:27:05.040 about twenty five hundred and Nottingham forty three hundred people in Manchester for the days 1957 02:27:05.040 --> 02:27:09.639 when those were thousands not hundreds. Yes, but you have to grit in 1958 02:27:09.719 --> 02:27:13.280 a curve when you're in DNA, do I He probably did. I'm sure 1959 02:27:13.360 --> 02:27:16.719 he did. Yeah, he's not gonna. I'm sure brother. You know, 1960 02:27:16.840 --> 02:27:20.680 for every for every fan, dude, you know, for t and 1961 02:27:20.719 --> 02:27:26.479 a brother or it's really like a thousand fans, right, so really do 1962 02:27:26.639 --> 02:27:31.639 forty hundred times a thousand? Dude? It's really about multiples, right brother? 1963 02:27:31.760 --> 02:27:35.840 What multiple do you put on it? And if it was the Impact 1964 02:27:35.920 --> 02:27:37.079 Zone, I don't think Hulk Cogan would suddenly tell himself, you know what, 1965 02:27:37.200 --> 02:27:41.319 let's let's have what could be my last match. It's looking like it's 1966 02:27:41.319 --> 02:27:43.159 just a kind of night I feel like going out there. But would this 1967 02:27:43.280 --> 02:27:50.360 crowd and would this uh thirst for live impact wrestling in the UK and the 1968 02:27:50.440 --> 02:27:52.159 television, you know, equipment on the road, so it made sense for 1969 02:27:52.200 --> 02:27:56.079 help to make the trip, not just you know, the UK and European 1970 02:27:56.159 --> 02:28:01.440 house shows that TNA had done for years. Ulster steps in and it turns 1971 02:28:01.479 --> 02:28:07.239 out to be his last matches in the Square Circle Brother TNH. January twenty 1972 02:28:07.319 --> 02:28:11.079 sixth, twenty twelve, Capital FM Arena, Nottingham in nottingham Shire, England, 1973 02:28:11.639 --> 02:28:15.879 Hull Coogan, Sting and James Storm defeat Bobby Rude, Curt Angel and 1974 02:28:15.959 --> 02:28:18.440 Bully Ray in a six man tag team match Get the Fuck out of Town 1975 02:28:18.719 --> 02:28:24.520 and then the final match of hul Coogan's career January twenty seventh. The next 1976 02:28:24.600 --> 02:28:31.600 night, twenty twelve, Manchester Arena, Manchester, England, Ogan Storman staying 1977 02:28:31.639 --> 02:28:39.079 once again over Rude Ray An Angle. Oh, there's a lot of a 1978 02:28:39.159 --> 02:28:43.559 lot of reality that we've touched on Visa v the childhood hero to so many 1979 02:28:43.600 --> 02:28:48.120 of us over the course of TNH. But I don't know how to feel 1980 02:28:48.120 --> 02:28:52.680 about this. When I was sort of trying to architect how this whole thing 1981 02:28:52.719 --> 02:28:58.399 would roll out, this TNH journey, it was in my rolodecks of things 1982 02:28:58.479 --> 02:29:01.879 that made it worth highlighting this point in Hulkogan's life and career that you know. 1983 02:29:01.959 --> 02:29:03.559 Yeah, of course his last matches would have happened in TNA, But 1984 02:29:05.559 --> 02:29:09.760 do people realize they were non televised shows in England that no one anticipated as 1985 02:29:09.799 --> 02:29:13.440 he stepped through the ropes would be his last matches. That's just the way 1986 02:29:13.479 --> 02:29:16.440 it turned out. It's kind of heartwrenching in a way, like it's kind 1987 02:29:16.479 --> 02:29:20.719 of sad, it's kind of pathetic. Forty three hundred people in Hulk Coogan's 1988 02:29:20.760 --> 02:29:24.879 last match, Actually, what's that? It's kind of everything we expect actually 1989 02:29:26.000 --> 02:29:31.360 from That's kind of what I'm getting at. Should Hulk Coogan's last match be 1990 02:29:31.479 --> 02:29:35.559 in front of forty three hundred people? Yes? Should his second to last 1991 02:29:35.600 --> 02:29:39.239 match be in front of twenty five hundred people? Yes, He's earned it. 1992 02:29:41.399 --> 02:29:46.000 Presenting now as we turned the page in twenty twelve to total NonStop Hogan, 1993 02:29:48.639 --> 02:29:50.680 We're going to take it in. They're available in bits and pieces on 1994 02:29:50.840 --> 02:29:56.760 YouTube. One of the files is the complete match, but of course these 1995 02:29:56.799 --> 02:30:01.040 aren't television tapings. We have to rely on Fancam there is I will say, 1996 02:30:01.280 --> 02:30:03.520 and I know you spent some time as we began planning Tnah's looking for 1997 02:30:03.600 --> 02:30:07.920 this DVD. There is a DVD that TENA released that's incredibly rare, Pain 1998 02:30:09.040 --> 02:30:11.280 and the Pain in the Butt. What did you find? Tell the people 1999 02:30:11.600 --> 02:30:13.200 nothing, Well, the point is what did you try to find? Oh? 2000 02:30:13.280 --> 02:30:20.040 I try to find They had a a Hulk Hogan like TNA Greatest Hits 2001 02:30:20.159 --> 02:30:26.159 DVD and I was like, if we're gonna do Hogan and TNA, that's 2002 02:30:26.280 --> 02:30:31.639 got to be a source of incredible wealth. What we're trying to do. 2003 02:30:31.920 --> 02:30:35.319 I couldn't agree more. You know, we think that Last Brook knows best 2004 02:30:35.360 --> 02:30:39.399 episodes The Dragon to Sleigh add this to the list. I invite you, 2005 02:30:39.440 --> 02:30:41.319 if you have a second Baus, just google around for us and tell us 2006 02:30:41.360 --> 02:30:43.520 what you see. Try to find, you know, a match listening for 2007 02:30:43.600 --> 02:30:46.639 that DVD that that you tried to Oh, I mean secured. I want 2008 02:30:46.639 --> 02:30:50.959 you to tell us. You see, this was my December in January. 2009 02:30:50.000 --> 02:30:54.879 I want you to know. And it's entirety Um. Yeah, Like seriously, 2010 02:30:54.879 --> 02:30:58.479 you're trying to find fucking places to do it. What was the name 2011 02:30:58.479 --> 02:31:01.040 of the dvd? Um, I'm trying to find it. Is it just 2012 02:31:01.200 --> 02:31:07.520 right hold TA Greatest Hits or something? D I mean the s an article 2013 02:31:07.600 --> 02:31:13.159 like who bought this right right? Oh? Um, no, not that 2014 02:31:13.280 --> 02:31:16.719 one. Where is it? It's who best of Whole Coogan TNA is what 2015 02:31:16.840 --> 02:31:22.120 it is? So best the match listing best of Oh boy, hold on, 2016 02:31:22.360 --> 02:31:24.920 I'm not there yet though, match I gotta do match listing. Oh 2017 02:31:26.760 --> 02:31:30.239 I'm overwhelmed here. It doesn't have to be just just a list of what's 2018 02:31:30.239 --> 02:31:37.760 on the DVD. Eat it all right? Um? Full match O? 2019 02:31:37.040 --> 02:31:43.680 Best of Sting? Is there is there one? Let's take a look. 2020 02:31:43.319 --> 02:31:52.040 Is there a match listing best of Hogan TNA? Oh? Here we go. 2021 02:31:52.920 --> 02:31:56.840 There's the cage match. Okay, there we go. Matches. I 2022 02:31:56.959 --> 02:32:00.680 want to send you a link. I got, I gotta now Wow, 2023 02:32:01.000 --> 02:32:07.799 holy wait all you got Whole Cogan and Abyss versus Rick Flair and aj Style 2024 02:32:07.920 --> 02:32:13.440 Naturally, the first Monday Night Impact Abyss, Rob Van Damn, Jeff Jared 2025 02:32:13.559 --> 02:32:18.040 And this is the lethal Lockdown match that Hogan's not in Team Hogan, Team 2026 02:32:18.120 --> 02:32:24.680 Hogan Hogan versus Sting TENA Bound for Glory Naturally, Hogan, Sting and James 2027 02:32:24.719 --> 02:32:31.239 Storm versus Kurt Angle, Bobby Rude and Bully Ray TNA Maximum Impact Tour, 2028 02:32:31.040 --> 02:32:48.680 January twenty twelve. Wow, fuck, click the link. This is the 2029 02:32:48.760 --> 02:32:52.920 twenty sixth Son of a Bitch second to last match, Son of a Bitch? 2030 02:32:56.120 --> 02:32:56.879 You do want you to play it right now? Or just go ahead 2031 02:32:56.879 --> 02:33:00.399 and play it and tell us we can see I'm gonna do the same on 2032 02:33:00.600 --> 02:33:03.719 Jen all right? Wait? Wait, should we do it? Well, 2033 02:33:03.920 --> 02:33:07.559 let's do it? Do account? Just just uh just play it. I 2034 02:33:07.639 --> 02:33:11.399 can catch every you all right right. On January twenty six, twenty twelve, 2035 02:33:11.440 --> 02:33:16.479 and Nottingham, England YouTube by the way of the YouTube Kingdom Hogan Hogo, 2036 02:33:16.520 --> 02:33:18.639 he made a surprise return to the ring to team with Sting and James 2037 02:33:18.639 --> 02:33:20.799 Storm to battle Kurt Angle, Bobby Root and Bullie Ray. This bonus match 2038 02:33:22.040 --> 02:33:28.600 has never been televised. Holy shit, don't talk YouTube for all to see. 2039 02:33:28.600 --> 02:33:31.200 I don't know if this is the exact I understand we're not in the 2040 02:33:31.799 --> 02:33:33.840 it's on the DVD, but I think it's likely. Here's Sting up in 2041 02:33:33.959 --> 02:33:50.040 Nottingham Forest. Why Nottingham Forest? Shut out, fucking ass clown brother a 2042 02:33:50.120 --> 02:33:56.879 ring with James Storm. If you don't understand it, we're not what I 2043 02:33:56.959 --> 02:34:03.079 don't know, Darby Allen. I guess Harbinger thinks to come for the Stinger, 2044 02:34:03.959 --> 02:34:07.159 so I'll tell you what, I think I could come up with a 2045 02:34:07.239 --> 02:34:13.000 new tag team partner. Oh boy, I think I can hear him now 2046 02:34:15.280 --> 02:34:26.280 nobody? You got nobody? Holy shit, get the fuck out of town. 2047 02:34:26.959 --> 02:34:35.719 Are you serious? Calcimania flashes on the screen. They he came down 2048 02:34:35.319 --> 02:34:39.440 to fucking Eyah the Tiger. Did he know what's his last match? No? 2049 02:34:39.920 --> 02:34:41.120 And this isn't it? This is the second to last one. Oh, 2050 02:34:41.159 --> 02:34:46.959 this is the second to last match. Look at him, red bandana, 2051 02:34:46.040 --> 02:34:50.680 yellow cut off, Halkimania shirt, jeans. I mean he's like trying 2052 02:34:50.719 --> 02:34:54.040 to wave his arms like he's not fucking eighty years old, Like he hasn't 2053 02:34:54.079 --> 02:35:00.799 had fifteen back surgeries, like he hasn't been in eighteen dozen awsomes over the 2054 02:35:00.920 --> 02:35:09.799 Lasting Boss preach on d n h. Let's not forget that this shell of 2055 02:35:09.879 --> 02:35:16.040 a man. Everyone's praising him, everyone's fucking doing that. We're not worthy. 2056 02:35:16.040 --> 02:35:20.360 Of course, he's wearing jeans. Isn't that how it should end? 2057 02:35:20.600 --> 02:35:28.239 Hilarious? Welcome back? I love, I really love. Like. This 2058 02:35:28.399 --> 02:35:33.440 is the thing about wrestling fans I never understand is why, like do we 2059 02:35:33.719 --> 02:35:41.520 do we not know that these men are completely inept when it comes to physical 2060 02:35:41.559 --> 02:35:46.360 activity in the ring, and we just want them willing to accept it. 2061 02:35:46.479 --> 02:35:50.120 Do we want to live in the fantasy? Yeah, that's that's an easy 2062 02:35:50.200 --> 02:35:54.079 question to answer. It's just funny because like I don't want to see him 2063 02:35:54.120 --> 02:35:56.440 wrestling, right, Like I've kind of accepted the fact that that he's that, 2064 02:35:56.680 --> 02:36:01.520 that he's one step out of the grave and he's gonna start the match. 2065 02:36:01.799 --> 02:36:05.280 Of course he is roller. Look at him. He better start and 2066 02:36:05.360 --> 02:36:09.040 finish him. That's the way to do it. Start it, take a 2067 02:36:09.280 --> 02:36:13.239 take a three hour break, and then finish the match. Outside of Bobby 2068 02:36:13.319 --> 02:36:16.000 Rude is to be working with him, bouncing on the bottom rope. Look 2069 02:36:16.000 --> 02:36:20.600 at him holding trying the jog and the new balance holding him, bullies starting 2070 02:36:20.639 --> 02:36:26.600 him off. Look at him circle. Oh, he's already gassed. He's 2071 02:36:26.639 --> 02:36:35.120 done both angle. I don't know he rude crude tags on him. I 2072 02:36:35.200 --> 02:36:39.040 was gonna say the uh, the Angle. The Angle match of actually very 2073 02:36:39.079 --> 02:36:43.639 significant because Kurt Angle, as far as I know, you know, well, 2074 02:36:43.680 --> 02:36:46.079 I know the only night in WWE to ever make him tap out. 2075 02:36:48.040 --> 02:36:52.360 That's right, yep, they circled. That's Bobby Rude, the team, 2076 02:36:52.399 --> 02:36:56.000 the heavyweight champ locking it up with the Holster look at just fucking walking around 2077 02:36:56.319 --> 02:37:00.319 a bottle, slapping of shoulders and biceps. Here, brother, oh holler, 2078 02:37:01.239 --> 02:37:03.239 oh who who whoa? They lock it up. Hogan backs into the 2079 02:37:03.280 --> 02:37:07.000 corner, going whoa, whoa, whoa. There he goes. That's because 2080 02:37:07.000 --> 02:37:09.760 you get a salesman. There. Hogan pushes him, head of her heels, 2081 02:37:09.840 --> 02:37:11.239 right hand blocked. Hogan scores between the eyes. Down, goes Rude. 2082 02:37:11.360 --> 02:37:15.079 Angle enters the fray down, goes Angle. Bully. Ray enters the 2083 02:37:15.120 --> 02:37:18.719 fray down, goes Bully. Hogan's cooking in London or in England. He's 2084 02:37:18.799 --> 02:37:26.239 hardly swimming fists. He can barely move his fists. It's all about the 2085 02:37:26.319 --> 02:37:46.760 selling. Wow one second, brother, I'm the breather dude, only right 2086 02:37:46.799 --> 02:37:50.040 tailing, Bobby Rude, you are the champion. You can beat him. 2087 02:37:50.079 --> 02:37:54.479 Hogan standing there like a guy. I don't know, the dude like a 2088 02:37:54.559 --> 02:37:58.760 guy A champion. Brother Hogan with his hands on his hips, looking like 2089 02:37:58.840 --> 02:38:05.920 he's waiting for his takeout order. Oh, he's waiting for the go home 2090 02:38:07.040 --> 02:38:09.239 order. Actually, okay, I got that right. That'll be tomorrow night. 2091 02:38:13.719 --> 02:38:18.959 Crotch chop from the Hulkster. Oh he's so edgy. Can you spot 2092 02:38:18.040 --> 02:38:22.159 the little cut of the neckline of the T shirt for later. Yep, 2093 02:38:22.440 --> 02:38:24.200 I know what he's gonna do. Yeah, why couldn't you fucking like cut 2094 02:38:24.360 --> 02:38:28.239 do the real cut like you normally do, Kyle, he doesn't even have 2095 02:38:28.399 --> 02:38:31.719 cuts in the back. Whoa, Oh, he's stuffing the bandannion on his 2096 02:38:31.799 --> 02:38:35.040 throat. I'm Bobby Rube's throat arm right here by the Hulkster going to work 2097 02:38:35.079 --> 02:38:39.879 with an elbow across the elbow, Bobby Rude. It's also kind of weird 2098 02:38:39.959 --> 02:38:46.159 to see Hogan in the ring not oiled up. No, that's true. 2099 02:38:46.280 --> 02:38:52.920 No, like his skin is very like just there. That is the stinger. 2100 02:38:54.440 --> 02:38:58.120 I think Hogan's work is done with the finish. Yeah, I'm not 2101 02:38:58.239 --> 02:39:01.879 saying he's gonna he's gonna. I mean, I hope he gives I'm sure 2102 02:39:01.920 --> 02:39:03.920 he can't do a boot, but I hope he can do a axual boom 2103 02:39:03.959 --> 02:39:07.479 ball. And see him conversing on the apron with a smile on his face 2104 02:39:07.520 --> 02:39:09.319 with James Storm. I'd love him to be a fly at the wall for 2105 02:39:09.440 --> 02:39:13.079 that one. We got like Rick Flair sting, Yeah, stings nosed on 2106 02:39:13.159 --> 02:39:20.239 the chops. No, Jesus is the WCW helk up for the galoob generation 2107 02:39:20.360 --> 02:39:24.840 here exactly, high back body drop. Who's waiting? He's talking him. 2108 02:39:26.440 --> 02:39:31.440 Stinger splash misses, but he no sells and runs him over with a closed 2109 02:39:31.479 --> 02:39:35.440 line. Right, He's going for it right from the get go. He 2110 02:39:35.520 --> 02:39:39.639 wants to finish him off. Ogan turns to the faithful, trying to get 2111 02:39:39.680 --> 02:39:43.079 him fired up for Sting to turn over the scorpion deathlock. He does, 2112 02:39:43.120 --> 02:39:46.920 but kurd Angle nars the fray and Sting keeping everybody at bay with back hands. 2113 02:39:46.000 --> 02:39:54.360 Sting throws back hands, stinger splash, stinger splash, Ogan directly traffic 2114 02:39:54.680 --> 02:39:58.920 all right, he's booking on the fly. Oh, yes, a gentleman 2115 02:40:00.000 --> 02:40:03.479 manager. It's true. He has a lot of book talent. Stinging back 2116 02:40:03.479 --> 02:40:07.719 to the Scorpion deathwalk on Bobby Route. Can you turn him over? Can 2117 02:40:07.799 --> 02:40:09.760 you get him? Yes he can, Yeah, but he's got his back 2118 02:40:09.799 --> 02:40:13.200 to his to his opponents. Not a good plan, Paul, there, 2119 02:40:16.520 --> 02:40:18.440 oh, con certainly no physical condition to run interference. He did try to 2120 02:40:18.479 --> 02:40:22.239 step in though, whefree Brian Hepner Hilt. He's sitting on his ass outside. 2121 02:40:22.879 --> 02:40:26.040 Yeah, he's the able bodied one. He hasn't moved a muscles he's 2122 02:40:26.079 --> 02:40:35.920 the one like who actually is of age? Well right now legal taken over 2123 02:40:35.040 --> 02:40:48.600 on Sting. What's he saying? They're saying pussy Ray right? That makes 2124 02:40:48.600 --> 02:40:52.760 sense other than sugar Ray. I suppose that is true. The band not 2125 02:40:52.879 --> 02:41:00.399 the boxer pussing of the corner. Kurt Angle gets the tag here we go, 2126 02:41:05.479 --> 02:41:11.520 you know wants Hogan who wants your repeated business shout and get him out 2127 02:41:11.559 --> 02:41:13.479 of the corner. Off the triple team, in the Stinger, in the 2128 02:41:13.520 --> 02:41:22.319 heel corner, its blue ropes, whole Hogan's last stand. I really can't 2129 02:41:22.360 --> 02:41:26.600 deal with this being the last you know, tip for Tad and the ring 2130 02:41:26.680 --> 02:41:31.319 for the Hulkster. I just can't look how long the hair is in the 2131 02:41:31.360 --> 02:41:37.719 back, especially with the bend in off. Oh I know extensions, brother, 2132 02:41:37.399 --> 02:41:46.200 Well it depends, uh what Dixie can afford come October. Oh dude, 2133 02:41:46.239 --> 02:41:50.239 Angle drops Sting with a shoulder block and then mocks Hogan's earcup Hogan trying 2134 02:41:50.239 --> 02:41:52.440 to step in. Dude that he's not gonna mock me, brother, or 2135 02:41:54.360 --> 02:42:01.479 Hogan trying to bend the rules. The general manager bending rules something a little 2136 02:42:01.600 --> 02:42:16.200 uh yeah, something a little uh hypocritical. Yet the the rulemaster General of 2137 02:42:16.319 --> 02:42:22.959 KNA trying to bend and break the rules. Bizarre us. Oh Wen, 2138 02:42:24.000 --> 02:42:26.719 just tell Brian Heavener keep your eye on the ball. Meanwhile, Brian Heavener 2139 02:42:26.760 --> 02:42:30.719 is trying to hide it holding No, I'm the ball, dude. Don't 2140 02:42:30.719 --> 02:42:35.079 play hide the ball, mother. I see you, I see your, 2141 02:42:35.159 --> 02:42:37.239 I see your your black and white striped shirt. Brother, We're not playing 2142 02:42:37.520 --> 02:42:43.200 the yang dude staying on the hop. They collide to the center of the 2143 02:42:43.280 --> 02:42:54.559 ring, stings and a collapse on roots crotch. Comedy tell you five able 2144 02:42:54.559 --> 02:43:01.959 bodied wrestlers. Hodiam is the most animated guy Eve apparently fucking humping the correct 2145 02:43:03.079 --> 02:43:07.639 stand up, stand up, stand up right, stand up, be a 2146 02:43:07.719 --> 02:43:13.520 man, Hogan, I think that's sting with a British accent. Oh tag 2147 02:43:13.639 --> 02:43:18.120 James Storm legal for the first time in the sixth Man the only able bodied 2148 02:43:18.159 --> 02:43:26.399 individual on team Hogan throwing hands on guard angle with reversed angle takes the forearm 2149 02:43:26.719 --> 02:43:31.559 shiver down. He goes reverse angle. What it is he's able to move? 2150 02:43:31.600 --> 02:43:35.280 How he's doing with his fucking in his shape? Well, you know 2151 02:43:35.280 --> 02:43:41.440 what they were calling him back then? I heard perk angle right long blower 2152 02:43:41.440 --> 02:43:58.479 by Storm on angle hook gets to Hogan, questioning the count on hobby head 2153 02:43:58.520 --> 02:44:01.120 trips. James Storm said, look at can climb the ropes, trying to 2154 02:44:01.120 --> 02:44:07.799 get him that that fusion start too. Did the trick's pretty go up? 2155 02:44:07.879 --> 02:44:13.639 Top started getting abused by the heels on the floor while Sting just looks at 2156 02:44:13.680 --> 02:44:18.360 this good looks at him, look at this and talking like neighbors on the 2157 02:44:18.440 --> 02:44:22.479 corner. Broller, you want to get a buriaus a lot for this dude. 2158 02:44:22.680 --> 02:44:26.559 You're retiring in Tampa, right, Stinger. Hey, you got a 2159 02:44:26.680 --> 02:44:30.000 good houses in the valley. Dude thinking of moving closer to them ex wife, 2160 02:44:30.040 --> 02:44:31.440 just to make sure everything's, you know, on the up and up. 2161 02:44:37.719 --> 02:44:41.479 You want to move will says will Adele. Dude. Sting thought he 2162 02:44:41.600 --> 02:44:52.239 was talking about computers and thought he said, will Adele do well, No, 2163 02:44:52.440 --> 02:44:56.719 I'm more of an HP guy. We long's you're an HD guy, 2164 02:44:56.840 --> 02:45:01.920 Dude. Jakes going playing baby face and peril. Now it's Bully Ray writing 2165 02:45:01.920 --> 02:45:07.319 down punishment on the Tennessee Cowboy, the recent job jacking between the Hulkstern, 2166 02:45:07.360 --> 02:45:16.639 Bully Ray, Hey, Pussy Ray, Stevie Ray, Stevie Ray. Everyone 2167 02:45:16.719 --> 02:45:20.159 really is going for well, brother, get in there, do you see 2168 02:45:20.159 --> 02:45:26.360 it for the fact man, when you watch it, brother, this has 2169 02:45:26.360 --> 02:45:28.239 got to be the version that's on that TNA DVD, I would imagine. 2170 02:45:28.360 --> 02:45:31.520 I mean it's pretty good quality. It looks like especially for twenty twelve. 2171 02:45:31.799 --> 02:45:35.360 You know, most phone cameras didn't have this quality. Then yeah, this 2172 02:45:35.520 --> 02:45:41.040 is very clearly ring like really ring side. Yeah, you're right, this 2173 02:45:41.120 --> 02:45:50.319 isn't clear enough fancam yep. So in the way they filmed this but didn't 2174 02:45:50.319 --> 02:45:56.479 actually film it for real, like they had the fourth sight to to to 2175 02:45:56.639 --> 02:46:01.120 film this for what posterity. I know, it's a great question. I 2176 02:46:01.159 --> 02:46:03.559 don't know if they made a practice of at least doing a one camera shoot 2177 02:46:03.559 --> 02:46:13.280 on every show they did, Like WW does that? Yeah, I think 2178 02:46:13.280 --> 02:46:16.760 there's I think in WW could be wrong about this, but I think there's 2179 02:46:16.760 --> 02:46:18.760 like an expectation that there's a tape that the office can watch if they want 2180 02:46:18.840 --> 02:46:26.079 to like right track progress or look at something whatever. I always thought that 2181 02:46:26.159 --> 02:46:30.959 was the case. But they don't do it the next night because the match 2182 02:46:31.040 --> 02:46:33.600 listing I see you for that TNA DVD does not date in the match and 2183 02:46:33.680 --> 02:46:37.120 it's the same six man both nights. This is the first night, so 2184 02:46:37.399 --> 02:46:41.319 I guess it's kind of good to know that Whole Cogan's actual final last match. 2185 02:46:41.719 --> 02:46:45.600 But the person who posted this didn't get the wrong dating. I suppose 2186 02:46:45.639 --> 02:46:48.040 it's possible. Yeah, I mean they say it's nodding him right in the 2187 02:46:48.159 --> 02:46:52.520 descriptions, So all right, you call. But it is referred to on 2188 02:46:52.600 --> 02:46:58.079 YouTube's Whole Cogan's Final Match mistakenly. According to you know Wrestling Data and the 2189 02:46:58.159 --> 02:47:03.079 other you know wrestling record keeping websites, it's January twenty seventh, is final 2190 02:47:03.159 --> 02:47:07.000 match. James Storm has found an opening, avoiding the onslaught of Bully Ray 2191 02:47:07.040 --> 02:47:09.879 and Hulkkegan himself has the hand extended for the hot tag and he gets it. 2192 02:47:11.440 --> 02:47:15.719 Brother, he can't get it. What's wrong here? Someone who's yanking 2193 02:47:15.799 --> 02:47:20.879 James Storm off camera? We couldn't see it here he comes, Oh dude, 2194 02:47:22.079 --> 02:47:26.159 I'm acting like I'm twenty years old, Brother Art is tear's the shirt 2195 02:47:26.200 --> 02:47:31.920 and that's what you're gonna get. That reaction. You look at the strange 2196 02:47:31.920 --> 02:47:35.159 combination of muscle and flab. Oh, I know, it is so weird. 2197 02:47:37.239 --> 02:47:39.840 A shirtless Hulkkegan throwing hands and everybody's bumping for the big man, and 2198 02:47:41.000 --> 02:47:45.040 everyone's and the crowd is seems to be enjoying this. A mortal tattooed across 2199 02:47:45.079 --> 02:47:48.000 his back, the spinal stimulator sticking through his skin. Oh, he went 2200 02:47:48.040 --> 02:47:50.520 for a boot. He couldn't even do it though. He got to the 2201 02:47:50.639 --> 02:47:54.040 gut, the gutter, Bobby Ruth. Look, he's gonna he's gonna signal 2202 02:47:54.120 --> 02:47:56.879 for it. He's gonna run. Someone's gonna happen. It's not gonna happen, 2203 02:47:56.479 --> 02:48:01.360 No way he can fucking Oh he tags out. He cut the year. 2204 02:48:03.319 --> 02:48:05.440 Oh, he's gonna have him do the leg drop. That's cute, 2205 02:48:05.440 --> 02:48:09.639 Broler. I can't, dude, next generation leg didn't drop? Brother, 2206 02:48:09.959 --> 02:48:13.559 shouldn't Brother? There come Storm, he's up. Oh, Hogan absolute a 2207 02:48:13.559 --> 02:48:20.399 little boost from the Hoaxter cover two three storm pins. Rude. Wow, 2208 02:48:24.920 --> 02:48:30.639 look at him in jeans, Brother stinging Storm, raising his hands center ring 2209 02:48:30.680 --> 02:48:37.000 and Nottingham. Hogan cups the year. Wow. Hogan must pose, he 2210 02:48:37.120 --> 02:48:41.840 must. That's what we're here for. We're here for the pose. Broler. 2211 02:48:43.120 --> 02:48:46.040 It's pretty good man, I mean, yeah, you know, all 2212 02:48:46.079 --> 02:48:50.040 things considered. Get to see the fans rejoicing and yeah, shit, so 2213 02:48:50.559 --> 02:48:54.799 we got cast on Blost Uncle Jef awesome on Dwayne the Rock Johnson, Johnson 2214 02:48:54.920 --> 02:49:03.280 and Terry Crews. Oh that's the follow up algorithm video. So that was 2215 02:49:03.399 --> 02:49:07.360 that was the match, James Storm doing the honors, dropping the leg for 2216 02:49:07.520 --> 02:49:11.920 the hopster ain't getting the pen. And so we do come to January twenty 2217 02:49:11.920 --> 02:49:16.159 seven, twenty twelve, Manchester Arena, Manchester, England, hul Coogan's final 2218 02:49:16.319 --> 02:49:22.200 professional wrestling match part of TNH and the match does not exist and it's entirety 2219 02:49:22.360 --> 02:49:26.399 really even in pieces on YouTube this one, I think we do have to 2220 02:49:26.440 --> 02:49:33.079 rely on fancam okay, and all we have is the entrance and the post 2221 02:49:33.159 --> 02:49:37.920 match. Wow, what a douche's not fucking doing the right thing? Love 2222 02:49:39.000 --> 02:49:41.079 to know, Yeah, I mean, if they only knew this would be 2223 02:49:41.200 --> 02:49:43.840 a historical document, I'm sure they would have gone to the trouble of recording 2224 02:49:43.920 --> 02:49:46.799 this thing. And maybe it exists somewhere in the TNA vault. And if 2225 02:49:46.840 --> 02:49:50.799 it does, I think we hear at TLF have done a lot for Impact 2226 02:49:50.879 --> 02:49:56.319 Plus this year. Okay, as the laps erendipity is set in there uploading 2227 02:49:56.360 --> 02:50:00.440 the episodes in chronology precisely the clip we happened to cover for them on the 2228 02:50:00.520 --> 02:50:03.520 show. It one may think a conspiracy theorist might think we're in concert with 2229 02:50:03.639 --> 02:50:09.280 each other, considering how much overlap there is. They're posting clips on their 2230 02:50:09.319 --> 02:50:13.120 Twitter of Impacts we're just about to cover. Are you serious? Like the 2231 02:50:13.200 --> 02:50:16.479 bishoff with the falcon in his office when Sting is going nuts? They posted 2232 02:50:16.520 --> 02:50:22.319 that one like the week before we talked about it, and here's the call. 2233 02:50:22.639 --> 02:50:26.719 You can pretend I didn't you didn't hear me make it? But digging 2234 02:50:26.760 --> 02:50:31.799 those fucking crates man. And if anybody over at Impact has the January twenty 2235 02:50:31.840 --> 02:50:35.360 seventh, twenty twelve how show in Manchester, England on any kind of memoracks, 2236 02:50:37.200 --> 02:50:39.440 we need it. We need it in its entirety because it is Hull 2237 02:50:39.479 --> 02:50:48.360 Coogan's last match Jesus. So let's let's see what we can. All right, 2238 02:50:48.959 --> 02:50:52.000 sent a link there. I'm going to get an advertisement, so you 2239 02:50:52.079 --> 02:50:56.559 might want to mute. This is up on them. Get it right in. 2240 02:50:56.959 --> 02:51:00.319 Okay, I got an ad, so please bear with me. Just 2241 02:51:00.399 --> 02:51:03.959 started zero and I'll tell you when to start, all right. Um? 2242 02:51:05.200 --> 02:51:07.840 Yeah, so this was posted eleven years ago, so it wasn't like you 2243 02:51:07.920 --> 02:51:11.159 know, people realized it was it was a last match video. In fact, 2244 02:51:11.719 --> 02:51:16.200 it's just titled Hogan making his entrance at a TNA card in Manchester, 2245 02:51:16.840 --> 02:51:26.959 and so uh yes, here we go three two one play. Here it 2246 02:51:28.040 --> 02:51:35.040 comes hold Comania shirt, red bandana doing the post, same hole Commandia tron 2247 02:51:37.159 --> 02:51:46.959 the tiger, I'm announcer. I think that's Penzer. And again the red 2248 02:51:48.399 --> 02:51:54.079 jogging pants. Here he comes one last time. This is clearly a fan 2249 02:51:54.200 --> 02:52:00.959 cam. Yes, look around for cameras. I see there's a camera. 2250 02:52:01.559 --> 02:52:13.200 Great idea. I don't see one man rising up. There's a kind of 2251 02:52:13.280 --> 02:52:16.840 hot Hogan there, there's gotta heind Hogan with some kind of bag. There's 2252 02:52:16.840 --> 02:52:22.079 a camera hemery. What the fuck hemery we have? They're in footage of 2253 02:52:22.159 --> 02:52:26.799 this thing. It exists. Come on, dappens too fast? Bag motherfuckers. 2254 02:52:26.959 --> 02:52:31.600 Oh the tears the shirt before the match this time and they roar at 2255 02:52:31.639 --> 02:52:37.159 Manchester one more time for the holster. Wow, whose fucking bag? He 2256 02:52:37.239 --> 02:52:39.799 has? Bands man, some of them, but the jeans weren't working for 2257 02:52:39.920 --> 02:52:45.479 him. But gonna be jeans again, dude. I'm digging out poll takes 2258 02:52:45.520 --> 02:52:48.000 of the raigment stinging James storm Cup in the years, all four sides of 2259 02:52:48.079 --> 02:52:52.959 the ring, the ring he took from six sides to four. I'll see 2260 02:52:52.959 --> 02:53:01.719 the UK fans Chenney for six sides by the way, using this music proof 2261 02:53:01.760 --> 02:53:09.680 that Hogan knows is TNA song sucked? Yes, why don't you get the 2262 02:53:09.760 --> 02:53:15.840 rights to this fucking song? I'm suspensive, but like, give us something 2263 02:53:15.920 --> 02:53:18.200 that's actually a whole Cogan. How if you went to this show, you 2264 02:53:18.280 --> 02:53:31.319 got it? I know for the show the night before that he actually looks 2265 02:53:31.360 --> 02:53:35.360 pretty good at a distance? Does he does? You can't tell that he's 2266 02:53:35.360 --> 02:53:37.719 a fucking shell of a human being. So the match is the match. 2267 02:53:37.799 --> 02:53:41.399 I can only assume it's probably the exact replica of what we're just pasting. 2268 02:53:41.760 --> 02:53:46.319 Yeah, but um, if Hogan's gonna pose, if Hogan must pose after 2269 02:53:46.399 --> 02:53:50.239 every match, then you better believe he's gonna do it for his last one. 2270 02:53:50.040 --> 02:53:58.360 Here we go pose down. Yes, I know, man, am 2271 02:53:58.360 --> 02:54:01.600 I've been different because you know what they're playing here music and I wonder if 2272 02:54:01.639 --> 02:54:05.079 you got the pan and you know what this video looks a lot. This 2273 02:54:05.200 --> 02:54:11.360 is a stable camera. Does also look different locations too much better quality. 2274 02:54:11.440 --> 02:54:16.559 This isn't a fan cam. I don't think it is. They're just not 2275 02:54:16.639 --> 02:54:20.760 trained at ringside, so can look at the swishy pants. Look at the 2276 02:54:20.799 --> 02:54:24.639 fucking I know it's very uncomfortable. I mean it looks like a he looks 2277 02:54:24.680 --> 02:54:30.200 like a like a like a guy in a neighborhood who's like working on his 2278 02:54:30.399 --> 02:54:39.159 car during the summer above the last time are hanging out. He doesn't know. 2279 02:54:39.239 --> 02:54:43.600 They don't deserve it, brother, They're not making enough noise, dude, 2280 02:54:45.639 --> 02:54:50.360 stinging storm, trying to convince him otherwise, this is actually kind of 2281 02:54:50.399 --> 02:54:58.440 beautiful. Yeah, wow, hooking digging that wax out of his ear. 2282 02:54:58.479 --> 02:55:05.680 I can't hear yah boom cupping put that fucking uh without hearing back in the 2283 02:55:05.760 --> 02:55:09.399 stinger helping clear right, Hogan's here, Bunny, Well the why are you 2284 02:55:09.440 --> 02:55:11.639 doing that? You're sticking your finger in my hair? Dude, What the 2285 02:55:11.719 --> 02:55:16.239 fuck? What are you doing behind me? Brother? Posing Hogan? Yes, 2286 02:55:16.760 --> 02:55:22.120 all he's been through all that hardware in his back and now it looks 2287 02:55:22.159 --> 02:55:26.200 like a Halloween skeleton. It's fine. Looks he's got fucking a Halloween cost 2288 02:55:26.959 --> 02:55:31.120 He always did, didn't. He looks like a fucking guy wearing a hulk 2289 02:55:31.399 --> 02:55:35.559 Looks like that guy used to go to the shows wearing that Hulk Hogan costume. 2290 02:55:35.680 --> 02:55:39.799 It's cupping as much as he can be trusting it's Ogan. Yeah, 2291 02:55:41.799 --> 02:55:52.799 it's that a paper towel taped to his head. Heard book and the thumbs 2292 02:55:52.879 --> 02:55:58.680 up, fucking saggy arms do a flair flop there, it's just selling it. 2293 02:55:58.799 --> 02:56:05.200 Die is going with the black Sneaks this time Grandpa Hogan and the ring 2294 02:56:07.959 --> 02:56:15.319 stinging Storm leaving the squared circle just to the Hogster. Are you guys get 2295 02:56:15.360 --> 02:56:16.280 out of the ring? Dude? Hey, what are you doing? Brother? 2296 02:56:16.360 --> 02:56:20.239 What are you doing? Whoa christ Heavy? Hold the ropes open for 2297 02:56:20.280 --> 02:56:22.719 the Hochster. Christy, do you know you help the honor of being the 2298 02:56:22.840 --> 02:56:26.120 last person to hold open the Look at these people, one of them? 2299 02:56:26.159 --> 02:56:30.040 They want it. They're hungry like Storm in the jay Leno stage at the 2300 02:56:30.079 --> 02:56:37.319 beginning of the Jesus. That's how it ends. Wow, And in some 2301 02:56:37.440 --> 02:56:41.840 ways I feel like we're reaching an end here. Untih sure I suppose that 2302 02:56:43.040 --> 02:56:46.440 is true. The boss were obliged before we take this break to remind people 2303 02:56:46.479 --> 02:56:50.040 what we have for them. Over at Patreon we already referenced available right now 2304 02:56:50.120 --> 02:56:54.680 with the two Headed Sharp Attack movie that Brooke Hogan started in released in this 2305 02:56:54.879 --> 02:56:58.680 very year twenty twelve. But we're in the midst of a marine journey we 2306 02:56:58.799 --> 02:57:05.000 are, and that resumes soon it does resume or resumes this week with uh, 2307 02:57:05.520 --> 02:57:09.559 you know, it's kind of actually fitting a fitting a break to take 2308 02:57:09.680 --> 02:57:18.479 actually, because in the Marine franchise there really is a before miss and an 2309 02:57:18.520 --> 02:57:26.639 after miss, and we're about to hit that miss section because the next four 2310 02:57:26.879 --> 02:57:35.559 movies revolve around the miss character of Jake Carter Marine Jake Carter, and we're 2311 02:57:35.600 --> 02:57:39.600 about to dig into some some really interesting well I don't know about really interesting, 2312 02:57:39.719 --> 02:57:46.319 but some hilarious stuff and interesting stuff actually regarding the the status of W 2313 02:57:46.600 --> 02:57:54.159 Films and W Studios and and really we're we're kicking off the Missus movie career. 2314 02:57:54.239 --> 02:57:58.120 This was the Marine three. Home Front was his first movie, so 2315 02:58:00.159 --> 02:58:03.159 this is the first WD movie unbelievable if that matters. So we'll get better 2316 02:58:03.200 --> 02:58:07.079 acquainted with Mike Muzzanan, indeed, even better than we did when he did 2317 02:58:07.120 --> 02:58:09.760 the Christmas movie, which was called the two Christmas Movies We've seen. We've 2318 02:58:09.799 --> 02:58:18.200 seen Christmas Bounty and Santa's Little Helper. Can't Wait for more? Yeah, 2319 02:58:18.719 --> 02:58:20.760 or he did the Marine one with John Cena, the Marine two with he 2320 02:58:20.879 --> 02:58:26.360 who shall not be named surprised surprisingly decent Marine two. By the way, 2321 02:58:26.440 --> 02:58:31.799 that's that's kind of the the takeaway. It was actually not It's not a 2322 02:58:31.879 --> 02:58:35.959 great movie, but it wasn't It wasn't bad, and it might actually be 2323 02:58:35.440 --> 02:58:41.360 I'm the best marine movie. Yeah, man, laps fan Live laps fan 2324 02:58:41.520 --> 02:58:43.719 Maine. You know, like, yeah, right, we're not just going 2325 02:58:43.760 --> 02:58:46.239 to shoot on something because you expect us to and because you think it's it's 2326 02:58:46.319 --> 02:58:50.319 entertaining, like it's not shitty, We're not going to shoot on it. 2327 02:58:50.520 --> 02:58:52.360 If if it is, no one goes harder. I mean it's pretty simple, 2328 02:58:52.959 --> 02:58:56.280 right, I mean, you know, two headed shark attack. There 2329 02:58:56.360 --> 02:59:01.639 you go, perfect. Zepher Brooke, Zepher Brooks Brook was good. So 2330 02:59:01.159 --> 02:59:05.600 yeah, so we get four weeks of the miss coming up. Ready, 2331 02:59:05.760 --> 02:59:11.680 you're getting me back man? Oh yeah. And also on the biggest swing 2332 02:59:11.760 --> 02:59:13.079 in dick tire of them all, the moat tier, which we know is 2333 02:59:13.959 --> 02:59:18.879 is a pretty penny. But you also can't blame us for lavishing the most 2334 02:59:18.959 --> 02:59:24.600 elaborate praise on those who have the dick size. Frankly, absolutely have to 2335 02:59:24.680 --> 02:59:31.600 pledge of that denomination and to enjoy that that true elite status. Boss. 2336 02:59:31.639 --> 02:59:39.000 And at the same time qualify for Wrestle Mommia, that most indulgent show we 2337 02:59:39.159 --> 02:59:43.600 do, the most indulgent comment content. Rather, we offer this is Mama 2338 02:59:43.680 --> 02:59:48.120 Sorrow, your beloved mother sitting there, yes, watching matches and saying the 2339 02:59:48.280 --> 02:59:52.200 things we remember our parents and grandparents saying when we came of ages wrestling fans. 2340 02:59:52.399 --> 02:59:56.239 It's it's really, it's a reminder. It's a reminder of where we 2341 02:59:56.399 --> 03:00:03.239 are as wrestling fans and where we always rememb as wrestling fans. And by 2342 03:00:03.319 --> 03:00:09.360 the time this drops, fans will have just listened to me and my mom 2343 03:00:09.639 --> 03:00:16.680 watch Hulk Hogan and the Ultimate Warrior take on Sergeant Slaughter, Colonel Mustafa and 2344 03:00:16.840 --> 03:00:22.639 General Adnan from Summer Slam ninety one. Unbelievable chance to go back over all 2345 03:00:22.639 --> 03:00:28.520 these classics exactly exactly dives is the parent in the room. And now we 2346 03:00:28.600 --> 03:00:31.239 got it. I know it's so true. It's so true. Now we 2347 03:00:31.319 --> 03:00:33.920 got it. So layer that on as well to all the things we're offering 2348 03:00:33.959 --> 03:00:39.120 you. And it's always appropriate to tip our cap to those who have pledged 2349 03:00:39.239 --> 03:00:41.600 at our highest tier, the Moat tier, absolutely the mother of all tiers. 2350 03:00:43.440 --> 03:00:48.479 Abe Lettier, Aiden Kivlahan, Andy Mulharn, Andy Toth, Andy Ellenich 2351 03:00:48.600 --> 03:00:52.760 Arion, Austin Kings, Saliver, Austin Tyson, Blake Downing, Brad Bran, 2352 03:00:52.920 --> 03:00:56.120 Keyser, Brendan Moe, Brian Blake, Brian Hints, Chris Harris, 2353 03:00:56.559 --> 03:01:01.799 Christopher Kreeva, Chuck Pliosio cold Stone, Steve Auston, There we Go, 2354 03:01:03.239 --> 03:01:07.559 David camin Esther, David Style, Dennis Owens, Dominic Carrera, Gabe Yoakum, 2355 03:01:07.639 --> 03:01:11.079 George Otto, Hull, Cogan Hardway, Butt, Jews Intern, Matt 2356 03:01:11.200 --> 03:01:16.239 James, Erwin, James Milsome, Jim Rocco, Gisel Graziano, Josh Wright, 2357 03:01:16.319 --> 03:01:18.840 Justin Carman, Kevin Mills, Christopher Craig, Lapsed Veteran, Louis Perez, 2358 03:01:20.719 --> 03:01:24.840 Lucky Lagucci, Marcus Clayson, Mark Daper, Martin Ferguson, Marty Longhurst, 2359 03:01:24.879 --> 03:01:28.559 Matthew Finney, Michael Taylor, Mike Chispiel, Mike Hornecker, Mike Poland, 2360 03:01:30.120 --> 03:01:35.479 Mitch Gee, Monte Davis, Junior, Pedro Rios, Pete Cosey, 2361 03:01:35.639 --> 03:01:39.959 Peter j Panico, Peter Rustling, ar Arnaldi, Rob Shephard, Robert Holtzammer, 2362 03:01:41.399 --> 03:01:45.680 Ryan Ball, Sam Fairbanks, Sammy Conduit, Scott, Michael Ferry, 2363 03:01:45.799 --> 03:01:52.840 Sean mcgere, Stephen Laird, Thomas at Tanacio, Tom William Murphy, Zach 2364 03:01:52.920 --> 03:02:01.319 Medress and ZV Esquire. Those are the kind of fans that any podcast should 2365 03:02:01.360 --> 03:02:05.680 be willing to kill to have. And we never forget for a second here 2366 03:02:05.680 --> 03:02:11.200 at the Lapsed Fan that we have listeners like that, willing sight unseen to 2367 03:02:11.319 --> 03:02:18.120 step up to whatever we say is necessary to show maximum support. And as 2368 03:02:18.159 --> 03:02:22.440 this ten journey unfolds, you don't know how important that kind of outsized help 2369 03:02:22.520 --> 03:02:28.440 has ben and bringing the resources, the resources, the research, the documentation, 2370 03:02:28.479 --> 03:02:33.760 just the wherewithal there's no where we can't go from a logistics right and 2371 03:02:33.920 --> 03:02:39.680 a research standpoint because of that backing. You know, bosses, you've dived 2372 03:02:39.719 --> 03:02:45.600 in posting and researching and putting together under the cinemat. It's all about not 2373 03:02:45.799 --> 03:02:48.040 having any handcuffs on you in terms of, like I need to go find 2374 03:02:48.079 --> 03:02:52.600 this information. The people expect it, and the only reason we can afford 2375 03:02:52.680 --> 03:02:56.440 to do it is because the supporters like that. Absolutely. I mean it's 2376 03:02:56.440 --> 03:03:05.879 actually it's I mean, i I'm completely flabbergasted at kind of having to dig 2377 03:03:05.959 --> 03:03:11.719 in to so many different areas. It's really because you know, you've said 2378 03:03:11.719 --> 03:03:13.120 a hell of an example. I have to try to follow suit on the 2379 03:03:13.200 --> 03:03:18.680 other end with the cinemat and so it's like there's so much to try to 2380 03:03:18.799 --> 03:03:24.920 grab at that to have these extra resources, it's just it's it makes it 2381 03:03:24.040 --> 03:03:26.879 that much easier to have the luxury of stopping it nothing. And we know, 2382 03:03:28.120 --> 03:03:31.520 like you have to realize folks like we have this in us. We've 2383 03:03:31.559 --> 03:03:35.280 proved it on the wrestling side of the movie side, but we would never 2384 03:03:35.479 --> 03:03:39.479 do it. We would never give it to the world such as it is 2385 03:03:41.520 --> 03:03:43.200 if it wasn't for people like this saying yes, go forth, yes, 2386 03:03:43.360 --> 03:03:46.200 yes, here's money to prove it, because that's look, we know what 2387 03:03:46.280 --> 03:03:48.239 world we live in, we know what country we live in, we know 2388 03:03:48.360 --> 03:03:52.319 what economic system we sit in. I'm talking about people outside of our bubble. 2389 03:03:54.319 --> 03:03:56.760 No one thinks it's real until you put a dollar figure on it and 2390 03:03:56.879 --> 03:04:01.360 they go, what. How many people have come to us just because they 2391 03:04:01.399 --> 03:04:03.280 see our Patreon and try to make friends with us, Like, we don't 2392 03:04:03.280 --> 03:04:05.399 fucking know what they're doing. Yeah, you know what I mean exactly. 2393 03:04:05.680 --> 03:04:09.559 And if if our content was exactly the same and our Patreon was a quarter 2394 03:04:09.639 --> 03:04:15.399 of what it was we wouldn't hear for a single word from him. They're 2395 03:04:15.399 --> 03:04:18.840 they're counting other people's money, the first step to a downfall of anybody. 2396 03:04:20.399 --> 03:04:28.120 But we're happy to participate in said downfall of others and an uplifting of ourselves. 2397 03:04:28.000 --> 03:04:31.159 And thanks to the Moat tier for that and everybody of course we pledges 2398 03:04:31.200 --> 03:04:35.600 to us on Patreon, we just dropped the live call for Backlash. We 2399 03:04:35.680 --> 03:04:39.879 watched Modern WBC. You don't have to match by match call. Boss Cody 2400 03:04:39.920 --> 03:04:41.680 gets what he deserves, he penned Brock listener, Right, it's all all's 2401 03:04:41.680 --> 03:04:48.319 well, all's well in the world, right, like like a bitch. 2402 03:04:48.120 --> 03:04:52.479 So get our live unfiltered thoughts as we take in Modern WWE. That's available 2403 03:04:52.520 --> 03:04:58.799 to both the VIP tier and of course Tears above freshly baked out of the 2404 03:04:58.840 --> 03:05:01.600 oven as it comes out on a Sun or Saturday night, and then to 2405 03:05:01.760 --> 03:05:05.959 our lower three sixteen tier several days after add free versions of this show. 2406 03:05:05.319 --> 03:05:09.840 I mean that's value enough if you ask me to not have to deal with 2407 03:05:09.920 --> 03:05:13.399 commercials, and you also get the part twos typically a day earlier than everybody 2408 03:05:13.440 --> 03:05:18.680 else does listening to the free feed if you subscribe on Patreon we just were 2409 03:05:18.719 --> 03:05:22.040 obliged to remind you that that's where that's where the excitement is, that's where 2410 03:05:22.040 --> 03:05:26.079 the nerve center of the teal of solar system is. That's where you go 2411 03:05:26.280 --> 03:05:28.479 when you're ready to take that next step in your maturation as a wrestling fan. 2412 03:05:30.200 --> 03:05:33.319 And you can't get better give and take discussion like you get on the 2413 03:05:33.360 --> 03:05:39.120 Patreon comments underneath our posts some of the smarter wrestling fans you'll find commenting on 2414 03:05:39.360 --> 03:05:43.440 the broader societal and political and legal and cultural issues we touch on as we 2415 03:05:43.520 --> 03:05:48.479 go through all this shit and leave no stone unturned. So just the place 2416 03:05:48.559 --> 03:05:52.360 to be Patreon dot com slash the lapsed fan and if you want to wear 2417 03:05:52.399 --> 03:05:54.000 it on your sleeve. Boss. We just got an email from someone who's 2418 03:05:54.040 --> 03:05:58.000 going to this massive Wembley Stadium aw chefs. They had a simple question, 2419 03:05:58.079 --> 03:06:01.600 what shirt from the TLF catalog should I wear? CoA chairman, I sent 2420 03:06:01.719 --> 03:06:07.120 him in the direction of brother with a question mark in the whole style brother, 2421 03:06:07.200 --> 03:06:09.200 as we're in full t H mode, But tell the people what they 2422 03:06:09.239 --> 03:06:13.040 can find at progressing ts dot com slash lapsed fan. You know we got 2423 03:06:13.120 --> 03:06:18.319 some brand new doozies up there. They came out. Actually, this is 2424 03:06:18.360 --> 03:06:24.079 funny enough. They actually came out before uh the episode drop, because you 2425 03:06:24.159 --> 03:06:28.600 know, that's just the way we roll. There is a Pummius power shirt 2426 03:06:28.959 --> 03:06:35.479 available for fans uh in that in that classic Python power look from Hulk Coogan. 2427 03:06:35.520 --> 03:06:39.760 There is the brother shirt, and there is a clown infrastructure. S 2428 03:06:41.040 --> 03:06:50.479 fucking did it with a giant tower and then you got a silhouette of Savage 2429 03:06:52.239 --> 03:07:03.280 on the roof of the building ic Clowe Infrastructure. It's there that probably would 2430 03:07:03.280 --> 03:07:07.319 be the most the most random shirt that you could possibly wear to any event. 2431 03:07:07.479 --> 03:07:11.319 People would have liked that to me is the weirdest one. But I 2432 03:07:11.440 --> 03:07:15.680 like it. Of course We've got you know, I do love going back 2433 03:07:15.719 --> 03:07:20.479 whenever I am checking to make sure shirts are are available. I love seeing 2434 03:07:20.559 --> 03:07:24.280 what kind of just kind of happened that I may have forgot about. And 2435 03:07:24.399 --> 03:07:30.040 I do love looking at our Christmas collection from us a whole new level. 2436 03:07:30.120 --> 03:07:33.879 This year. The Christmas we had was just holy shit, just all around. 2437 03:07:35.280 --> 03:07:37.399 Yeah, this is bonkers, and you know, just kind of like 2438 03:07:37.520 --> 03:07:41.479 looking back. And you got the Elf themed one, you got Christmas Story 2439 03:07:41.559 --> 03:07:46.959 one, you got night Member Before Christmas, you got the Charlie Brown Christmas 2440 03:07:48.959 --> 03:07:54.879 version. You got the home alone version, you got the the scrooged version, 2441 03:07:54.920 --> 03:07:58.479 you got the die hard version. It's just awesome. I'm just I 2442 03:07:58.559 --> 03:08:01.239 was very proud of I was very you know what. The Christmas spirit had 2443 03:08:01.360 --> 03:08:07.159 me hard uh this year, so and then so much other stuff. You 2444 03:08:07.239 --> 03:08:09.639 got the Dan Cook shirt for those who in the uh in the moat tier 2445 03:08:09.920 --> 03:08:13.360 they fucking know. And you get the one that I actually also get a 2446 03:08:13.440 --> 03:08:18.040 kick out if you get the the ones of of the wrestlers, um older 2447 03:08:18.200 --> 03:08:24.280 characters that they you know, weren't like. We've got um shrug shadow for 2448 03:08:24.399 --> 03:08:28.719 Scott Hall. Oh my god, yet shrug shadow. We got fang mcfrost 2449 03:08:30.680 --> 03:08:37.319 ice dagger both for uh for Steve Austin does fucking great shit. So we 2450 03:08:37.399 --> 03:08:43.959 get hundreds of shirts, hundreds upon hundreds and hundreds of shirts. Maybe you 2451 03:08:43.000 --> 03:08:46.159 should have had, you know what, the guy going to the britishow, 2452 03:08:46.159 --> 03:08:48.479 you know what he should have had wrestling it's bent that's what he should have 2453 03:08:48.520 --> 03:08:52.440 had. That's a that's a tough one in the UK. Yeah, you 2454 03:08:52.520 --> 03:08:56.840 know of it. Um So I fell in love during the LA show we 2455 03:08:56.959 --> 03:09:01.280 did after WrestleMania with the lapsed ecosystem shirt. It's a deep cut and it 2456 03:09:01.680 --> 03:09:05.120 has like four pieces to it, like, what is it to be in 2457 03:09:05.120 --> 03:09:09.879 the last ecosystem? The key one undermine desire. That's what we exist to 2458 03:09:09.920 --> 03:09:13.760 do here at the laps time. So let's let's let's continue in that vein 2459 03:09:13.840 --> 03:09:18.639 boss by diving into a little twenty twelve TNA. What do you say, 2460 03:09:18.120 --> 03:09:22.079 how about we do a deep dial in? Yeah, a deep dial in 2461 03:09:24.200 --> 03:09:28.840 as Hulkegan assumes a different color bandana, a different color cut off shirt, 2462 03:09:28.120 --> 03:09:31.399 but the same rap, just in a general manager skin. Let's see if 2463 03:09:31.399 --> 03:09:33.559 we can turn the nose up on this thing. Finally, in the year 2464 03:09:33.600 --> 03:09:37.719 twenty twelve, ten years after TNA's founding, let's let's fucking go. You 2465 03:09:37.840 --> 03:09:39.840 got it side of this break