WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.040 --> 00:00:02.160 Today, I want to tell you about a journey that I've been on for 2 00:00:02.240 --> 00:00:05.120 most of my life. Ever since I was a kid, I've heard tales 3 00:00:05.120 --> 00:00:09.199 of bigfoot and wild men while spending time with my friends and family. As 4 00:00:09.240 --> 00:00:12.759 I grew older and read more about the paranormal, my interest in encryptids and 5 00:00:12.800 --> 00:00:17.039 other things strange only deepened. That's why I'm so excited to share with you 6 00:00:17.079 --> 00:00:22.960 what I've personally become involved with the Untold Radio Network. The Untold Radio Network 7 00:00:23.000 --> 00:00:27.480 is a live streaming podcast network that airs a new show every day across all 8 00:00:27.519 --> 00:00:31.839 podcast platforms, YouTube, and more. 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It's free to subscribe. 16 00:01:00.679 --> 00:01:06.599 So what are you waiting for visit www dot untold radionetwork dot com today. 17 00:01:06.760 --> 00:01:11.560 Hey everybody, this is Left Striving Yes, yes, I know aka Survivor 18 00:01:11.599 --> 00:01:37.280 Man, and you're listening to Brian on sasquatchs. Hey there, welcome back 19 00:01:37.319 --> 00:01:41.040 to Sasquatch. I thank you so much for being with us for the show. 20 00:01:41.079 --> 00:01:42.480 It is Friday. I hope you're having a great week. We have 21 00:01:42.560 --> 00:01:46.519 an amazing guest line up for you. But as always, I want to 22 00:01:46.560 --> 00:01:49.239 start the show by inviting gain. If you've had an encounter and you let's 23 00:01:49.239 --> 00:01:52.400 be on the show. Shoot me an email. You can get me a 24 00:01:52.480 --> 00:01:56.319 Brian at Barnonoworldproductions dot com. Get head over to the website, check it 25 00:01:56.319 --> 00:02:00.519 out, became remember there and help support the show. I got to sit 26 00:02:00.560 --> 00:02:04.760 down and talk to Greg from Oregon and he had some really interesting encounters with 27 00:02:04.840 --> 00:02:08.759 Sasquatch, including a very close up encounter that really made my skin crawl. 28 00:02:09.080 --> 00:02:12.199 I can't wait for you guys to hear about it. But Greg will tell 29 00:02:12.199 --> 00:02:15.319 you all about that in just a second. Remember, if you haven't picked 30 00:02:15.360 --> 00:02:17.840 up your copy of Sasquatch Unleashed the Truth behind the Legend, you can get 31 00:02:17.840 --> 00:02:21.280 that on Kindle, you can get it on Amazon, or you can get 32 00:02:21.280 --> 00:02:23.159 it directly from Hanger One Publishing. I would love for you to pick up 33 00:02:23.159 --> 00:02:25.360 a copy of the book. But enough of that. I know you guys 34 00:02:25.360 --> 00:02:28.599 are ready to get into it. Greg's on the line. He's ready to 35 00:02:28.639 --> 00:02:30.599 go. All you have to do is sit back, relax, and enjoy 36 00:02:30.599 --> 00:02:52.639 the show. I want to welcome our guest to the show. It is 37 00:02:52.680 --> 00:02:54.520 Greg from Oregon. Welcome to the show. Man. Hey, Brian, 38 00:02:54.599 --> 00:02:58.639 thanks for having me on. Appreciate it. I have been looking forward to 39 00:02:58.719 --> 00:03:01.560 this conversation, so dive right into it. Man, let's talk about Bigfoot. 40 00:03:01.879 --> 00:03:06.360 What got you interested in the subject to begin with. Honestly, it 41 00:03:06.479 --> 00:03:09.159 was my first direct encounter with one. I'm growing up here in Medford, 42 00:03:09.159 --> 00:03:14.599 Oregon. We are definitely right smack in the middle of Bigfoot country. I 43 00:03:14.680 --> 00:03:19.719 grew up hearing stories. I was never one of these people that I saw 44 00:03:19.719 --> 00:03:22.879 the Legend of Boggy Creek and I got into it, or I saw the 45 00:03:22.919 --> 00:03:27.280 Patterson Gimlin film and I got into it. I just grew up here hearing 46 00:03:27.479 --> 00:03:31.800 stories directly firsthand in the area. But the funny part was I had never 47 00:03:31.840 --> 00:03:37.439 been out with my family and had anything happen. As I got older in 48 00:03:37.479 --> 00:03:39.639 my teen year, spending a lot of time out there in the woods by 49 00:03:39.719 --> 00:03:45.080 myself, I'd never had anything happen. But I was always one of these 50 00:03:45.159 --> 00:03:51.520 kind of people that I never say never about anything, and became an atheist 51 00:03:51.599 --> 00:03:53.599 about it. I suppose I was a bit of an agnostic. I'm like, 52 00:03:53.719 --> 00:03:58.439 could be true, but I don't know. Nothing's ever really happened to 53 00:03:58.479 --> 00:04:03.319 me. Sickly how I ruled through life, and I kept thinking I would 54 00:04:03.400 --> 00:04:10.439 see one or maybe find footprints. The fact that they made sounds never entered 55 00:04:10.560 --> 00:04:15.199 into my consciousness of a way I may have an encounter. So sure enough, 56 00:04:15.879 --> 00:04:19.240 August of eighty four, I'm out with my bud Rick Chadwick. We're 57 00:04:19.240 --> 00:04:24.519 in the Skylakes Wilderness. We are out there to scout Elkords, is what 58 00:04:24.560 --> 00:04:28.199 we are doing. First day in on the trip, we're hiking a long, 59 00:04:28.759 --> 00:04:33.240 beautiful day, deer elk everywhere, birds going, squirrels going, perfect 60 00:04:33.279 --> 00:04:39.600 weather. Couldn't ask for anything better then second day, as soon as we 61 00:04:39.720 --> 00:04:46.360 rolled out of the ten there was a stillness to everything that was almost ominous. 62 00:04:46.480 --> 00:04:49.720 But the weather hadn't changed. No deer, no elk, no birds, 63 00:04:49.800 --> 00:04:55.759 no squirrels, no nothing, And we're thinking, wow, that's really 64 00:04:55.839 --> 00:05:00.000 odd. Why would it be so much different today then it was yesterday. 65 00:05:00.560 --> 00:05:04.600 And that was the only thing we really thought about. We'd put about seven 66 00:05:04.680 --> 00:05:09.680 almost eight miles in and we walk up and we see the stream and the 67 00:05:09.680 --> 00:05:12.720 first thing we see in the stream or trout, and we're going, okay, 68 00:05:12.759 --> 00:05:16.079 we're stopping right here. There's a nice meadow area over here. We 69 00:05:16.160 --> 00:05:20.160 got the stream right here for water and fish. We found some other edible 70 00:05:20.160 --> 00:05:25.720 things there to munch. One some berries, we found a couple of mushrooms. 71 00:05:25.759 --> 00:05:30.560 We were good, so we caught our dinner, had dinner, nothing 72 00:05:30.959 --> 00:05:35.560 going on at all. We roll into sleeping bags, and the next thing 73 00:05:35.639 --> 00:05:40.519 I remember is I'm waking up at two thirty in the morning, bright full 74 00:05:40.600 --> 00:05:44.879 in tense moonlight. All the coyotes in the neighborhood are going off, all 75 00:05:44.920 --> 00:05:46.879 of them. And I don't know that I'd ever heard that many coyotes at 76 00:05:46.879 --> 00:05:50.399 once before, but I'm listening, going okay, that's just coyotes, no 77 00:05:50.439 --> 00:05:56.439 big deal. And I just started to drift off back to sleep when I 78 00:05:56.519 --> 00:05:59.480 heard the howl. What I heard, of course, if you've ever watched 79 00:05:59.519 --> 00:06:08.720 Finding big Foot. You've heard Bobo do it a million times, though big 80 00:06:08.839 --> 00:06:13.120 long drawn out. I sat straight up in the sleeping bag and went, 81 00:06:13.199 --> 00:06:16.040 what in God's name was that? Rick started laughing. He was going, 82 00:06:16.079 --> 00:06:18.600 I've been waiting for you to wake up. He goes, this has been 83 00:06:18.639 --> 00:06:21.439 going on for half an hour now. I said, you're kidding me. 84 00:06:21.839 --> 00:06:27.680 He said no. And then of course, what is it? What's making 85 00:06:27.759 --> 00:06:31.480 that sound? And we're listening to coyotes going off and it just keeps repeating 86 00:06:31.519 --> 00:06:34.720 the how, and the coyotes keep going off. We're going, okay, 87 00:06:35.279 --> 00:06:40.160 what makes a how? So you rule out bears, you roll out cats, 88 00:06:40.160 --> 00:06:44.879 you roll out cows, cattle. You then drilled down on coyotes. 89 00:06:45.079 --> 00:06:49.160 This thing is nothing like the coyotes were listening to the first thing we thought 90 00:06:49.639 --> 00:06:55.360 that might be plausible was a wolf. I'm listening to it, and I 91 00:06:55.480 --> 00:07:00.160 just go, that just doesn't seem right. There's something odd about it. 92 00:07:00.240 --> 00:07:03.199 Even though we decided okay, it had to be a wolf, but still 93 00:07:03.279 --> 00:07:09.560 just didn't sit right in here or in the heart. We listened to this 94 00:07:09.600 --> 00:07:13.920 thing, it kept moving north away from us, towards Crater Lake National Park 95 00:07:14.600 --> 00:07:17.639 and the coyotes kept responding. Eventually, even when we couldn't hear it, 96 00:07:18.439 --> 00:07:24.120 the coyotes in our area were still responding. And then finally, either at 97 00:07:24.240 --> 00:07:29.279 stop or it moved far enough north that even the coyotes local to us were 98 00:07:29.279 --> 00:07:31.279 not hearing it, and then they settled down. So we settled down. 99 00:07:31.800 --> 00:07:35.360 We go to sleep, wake up the next morning, and it was exactly 100 00:07:35.399 --> 00:07:41.079 like day one again. Deer, elk, birds, squirrels, everything's cool, 101 00:07:41.199 --> 00:07:46.920 everything's great. We were out there for a week. Nothing else unusual 102 00:07:46.040 --> 00:07:50.920 at all happened. I was ready to write the whole thing off. And 103 00:07:50.959 --> 00:07:56.079 then five years later, on an elk cunt on the north side of Oak 104 00:07:56.160 --> 00:08:00.639 Mountain here in Jackson County, my uncle and I had separated and he went 105 00:08:00.680 --> 00:08:03.319 to the south of me. I was working my way up north and I 106 00:08:03.360 --> 00:08:07.240 started following this creek and I'm walking up along the creek bed and I see 107 00:08:07.279 --> 00:08:11.319 this big game trail coming down off this bank, and I'm looking at it 108 00:08:11.360 --> 00:08:15.639 and going, Okay, I'm going to follow that. That is what I 109 00:08:16.160 --> 00:08:20.360 call a game super highway. It is so big, it is so defined, 110 00:08:20.920 --> 00:08:24.959 you can't miss it. It's like a human path. So I started 111 00:08:24.000 --> 00:08:28.199 following that thing up. I came over the crest of the hill, I'd 112 00:08:28.240 --> 00:08:33.799 gone maybe fifty yards, and right next to that is about a four inch 113 00:08:33.840 --> 00:08:39.120 in diameter fir tree standing that I look at the top, top's gone. 114 00:08:39.679 --> 00:08:43.320 The top two feet of that thing is nothing but bare wood fiber, no 115 00:08:43.519 --> 00:08:50.480 barb, and a spiral shape, not b not cracked, not raised off, 116 00:08:52.120 --> 00:08:56.080 spiral shape. And I'm looking at that and going that is really weird. 117 00:08:56.440 --> 00:09:00.960 Because by this time in my life, I'm already a wild firefighter. 118 00:09:01.480 --> 00:09:03.799 I've seen a lot of tree damage done in different ways, and I've never 119 00:09:03.840 --> 00:09:09.840 seen anything like this. The top being completely gone was as much of a 120 00:09:09.840 --> 00:09:13.559 puzzle as anything else. But I look it over and again I'm just like, 121 00:09:13.559 --> 00:09:18.480 man, that's super weird. Start heading up that trail. Went about 122 00:09:18.519 --> 00:09:22.720 another one hundred yards, found the next one again, same exact thing, 123 00:09:22.039 --> 00:09:26.519 about a four inch diameter for and about eight feet off the ground, just 124 00:09:26.600 --> 00:09:31.879 that spiral, no barb on the wood fiber. And I'm like, Okay, 125 00:09:31.919 --> 00:09:37.600 this is freaky. Two of those. All the other furs the same 126 00:09:37.720 --> 00:09:41.320 size in the area, not a thing wrong with them, it's just the 127 00:09:41.320 --> 00:09:45.559 one and it's the one next to that game trail. When I found the 128 00:09:45.600 --> 00:09:50.399 third one. I did two things. I finally reached up and touched that 129 00:09:50.440 --> 00:09:54.879 wood fiber sap on my fingers, and I'm like, okay, this is 130 00:09:54.960 --> 00:10:01.320 fresh, this has just happened. That tree is still putting. Then I 131 00:10:01.480 --> 00:10:05.320 turn and look at where I'd come from, and I noticed I could see 132 00:10:05.360 --> 00:10:09.639 the other two looking down and against the dark green background, and I had 133 00:10:09.639 --> 00:10:15.679 a cloudy day. Those things stuck out like torches. And that's when it 134 00:10:15.799 --> 00:10:22.279 hit me. Something blazed a trail here, But what why? I kept 135 00:10:22.320 --> 00:10:26.960 following that trail. And then there's a ridge that runs north south, directly 136 00:10:28.039 --> 00:10:31.840 due north of Oak Mountain. I came in on the bottom of that ridge 137 00:10:31.279 --> 00:10:35.120 and there been a big logging area, so it had been cleared out pretty 138 00:10:35.120 --> 00:10:39.919 good. And where I'm standing looking up, I would have been in full 139 00:10:39.039 --> 00:10:43.879 view of anything at the top of that ridge. In this just jet black, 140 00:10:45.039 --> 00:10:48.200 dark timber. The whole background was dark. Do you see the crowns 141 00:10:48.200 --> 00:10:54.080 of the trees. But ground level, something could have been standing right there 142 00:10:54.120 --> 00:10:56.720 in full view, and I never would have seen it. And especially something 143 00:10:56.799 --> 00:11:01.120 like a bigfoot, with the way they blend into the background to begin with, 144 00:11:01.480 --> 00:11:03.240 could have been right there. I never would have seen it. I'm 145 00:11:03.279 --> 00:11:07.159 looking at that and I'm thinking I want to go up that, because now 146 00:11:07.159 --> 00:11:11.679 I'm starting to switch back into el cutting mode, thinking they're going up and 147 00:11:11.720 --> 00:11:16.759 betting in that timber. I made two steps towards that ridge and then heard 148 00:11:16.120 --> 00:11:22.639 do not come up here? Whoa who said that? And I'm looking around. 149 00:11:22.720 --> 00:11:26.320 I'm going my uncle's here, who else is here? Why would he 150 00:11:26.480 --> 00:11:31.679 say don't come up here? So I'm real puzzled. Then I take three 151 00:11:31.759 --> 00:11:37.240 more steps up and then got hit with that message again, only this time 152 00:11:37.759 --> 00:11:46.600 much heavier, much more. Do not come up here? Change direction, 153 00:11:46.240 --> 00:11:50.480 cut back, started working back north along the edge of the reprot of that 154 00:11:50.559 --> 00:11:56.360 logging area and the whole way walking through there, I'm expecting to see other 155 00:11:56.480 --> 00:12:00.159 people. I'm expecting catch the guys who pranked me, because I could hear 156 00:12:00.240 --> 00:12:03.799 this. I was sure somebody was saying it scouted that whole area out, 157 00:12:05.240 --> 00:12:09.240 no fresh human tracks in there at all. There was even some snow to 158 00:12:09.320 --> 00:12:13.600 help just deer, el all the things I expect to say, cruise that 159 00:12:13.679 --> 00:12:16.879 whole thing. And of course all the deer and elk have gone to bed 160 00:12:16.919 --> 00:12:20.519 into heavier timber and in shelter, so I worked my way back out. 161 00:12:20.679 --> 00:12:22.519 I worked my way down to my uncle. We meet up to have lunch, 162 00:12:22.559 --> 00:12:26.480 and I said to him, I said, was there anybody else up 163 00:12:26.519 --> 00:12:31.840 here? Because he's in position on the one road you could drive in access 164 00:12:31.919 --> 00:12:35.120 the area, and he goes no. I said, did you hear anybody? 165 00:12:35.159 --> 00:12:39.720 Did you hear voices? Did you hear something like that? He goes 166 00:12:41.080 --> 00:12:43.360 no, what are you talking about? And I go, I must just 167 00:12:43.399 --> 00:12:48.799 been my imagination. And that's truly what I thought. I was thinking, 168 00:12:48.879 --> 00:12:52.679 Okay, you just you had your scary moment in the woods things and you 169 00:12:52.720 --> 00:12:56.360 started hearing things. And that's that was nineteen eighty nine, five years after 170 00:12:56.799 --> 00:13:03.799 hearing that vocalization, not curious about anything, still not looking up bigfoot stuff 171 00:13:03.879 --> 00:13:07.639 here about it, and go okay, Patterson Gimlin film. Yeah. I 172 00:13:07.679 --> 00:13:11.720 looked at that and said, okay, whatever that is, that doesn't move 173 00:13:11.840 --> 00:13:15.440 like the human at all. I could tell that just by watching it. 174 00:13:15.559 --> 00:13:20.080 I've watched humans in the woods for years. Knew that doesn't move like a 175 00:13:20.200 --> 00:13:24.759 human being moved, especially when she does the turn because she's looking at Bob 176 00:13:26.240 --> 00:13:30.240 riding across the creek at her. That's what made Patty turn and look By 177 00:13:30.279 --> 00:13:33.679 the way, if you didn't know, Bob rides across the creek on his 178 00:13:33.759 --> 00:13:35.960 horse. He's trying to get a better look at her. That's why she 179 00:13:37.080 --> 00:13:41.919 turned and looked. So years go on, I don't even think about these 180 00:13:41.960 --> 00:13:43.639 things. From time to time, Rick and I had get together and he'd 181 00:13:43.720 --> 00:13:46.039 mentioned, he goes, hey, remember that when we were up there in 182 00:13:46.120 --> 00:13:52.360 Skylakes, and we'd laugh about it, but we really didn't dwell on it, 183 00:13:52.399 --> 00:13:54.399 and we didn't turn into we got to figure out what that was. 184 00:13:54.720 --> 00:14:01.240 Nothing. I probably never ever would have gotten into this except in January of 185 00:14:01.639 --> 00:14:05.320 two thousand and seven, I'm waiting for a ski race to come on the 186 00:14:05.360 --> 00:14:09.639 old Outdoor Life Network. I was a ski racer for Mount Batchelor, still 187 00:14:09.679 --> 00:14:13.840 follow the sport. They were showing a live ski race from Europe coming up 188 00:14:13.840 --> 00:14:18.720 at eleven thirty at night our time, which was of course daytime when the 189 00:14:18.799 --> 00:14:22.919 race is happening in Europe. So they tune in early and there's this show 190 00:14:22.000 --> 00:14:26.519 on and at first it's like, what are these guys doing? They're run 191 00:14:26.519 --> 00:14:28.480 around it, are they in the woods at night? Are they playing Capture 192 00:14:28.519 --> 00:14:33.639 the Flag? What are they doing? And then they did a recreation of 193 00:14:33.679 --> 00:14:37.720 an encounter and I went, oh, Bigfoot. Okay, so I start 194 00:14:37.799 --> 00:14:43.759 watching this. It was the old show Mysterious Encounters that Doug Hicheck was the 195 00:14:43.840 --> 00:14:48.720 producer of. At the end of the show, they put up two websites 196 00:14:48.759 --> 00:14:52.559 to go to for more information. The first one was Autumn Site Oregon Bigfoot, 197 00:14:54.200 --> 00:15:00.000 the second one Matt Moneymaker before there was a Finding Bigfoot Mysterious Encounter. 198 00:15:00.240 --> 00:15:05.399 He was on it and bfroro dot net was listened to the website alphabetical order, 199 00:15:05.440 --> 00:15:09.039 and Shorter just put bfro dot net pop into the site. I'm looking 200 00:15:09.080 --> 00:15:13.720 at it. Then something on the left hand side of the site catches my 201 00:15:13.840 --> 00:15:18.879 eye. Sounds sounds, okay, click on sounds. I think to this 202 00:15:20.000 --> 00:15:24.279 day, bfroro dot net still has this. The first thing you hit was 203 00:15:24.399 --> 00:15:30.639 mats recording from nineteen ninety four in Ohio and Columbiana County of the howl. 204 00:15:31.240 --> 00:15:35.000 As soon as I clicked that, goosebumps, every hair standing straight up. 205 00:15:35.440 --> 00:15:41.840 That was exactly what we heard in Skylakes ten years earlier. Mind, you 206 00:15:41.360 --> 00:15:50.360 and dogs are responding in MATS recording in Ohio exactly where the coyotes would respond 207 00:15:50.399 --> 00:15:56.080 out here. Bryan, you will never ever convince me a hoaxer did that 208 00:15:56.320 --> 00:16:00.440 they're not going to go to one of the more remote wilderness in southern Oregon, 209 00:16:00.879 --> 00:16:04.799 then they're going to go to Ohio produce the exact same sound with the 210 00:16:04.840 --> 00:16:11.440 exact same canine reaction. At that moment, it was game over. I've 211 00:16:11.440 --> 00:16:18.000 heard classifications of belief in Bigfoot. You have the total skeptics, you have 212 00:16:18.159 --> 00:16:22.279 that it might be possible, You have believers, and then you have knowers. 213 00:16:22.720 --> 00:16:26.200 I'm an absolute noer. I was a knowwher as soon as I heard 214 00:16:26.320 --> 00:16:30.559 Matt's recording before any of the other great things to come in my life. 215 00:16:30.879 --> 00:16:34.440 As soon as I heard that, it was like done, they do exist. 216 00:16:36.279 --> 00:16:40.840 Then it became I want to have more encounters. How am I going 217 00:16:40.919 --> 00:16:45.720 to go about this? BFRO of course does expeditions. Then they announced in 218 00:16:45.759 --> 00:16:48.559 two thousand and eight they were going to do an expedition here in southern Oregon. 219 00:16:48.879 --> 00:16:53.000 So I immediately got in touch, was ready to send my three hundred 220 00:16:53.039 --> 00:16:57.480 dollars in and then Matt read the bio that all people who are going to 221 00:16:57.600 --> 00:17:02.840 attend an expedition required to put in. Matt read my bio, they got 222 00:17:02.879 --> 00:17:06.359 in touch with me and said how would you like to attend for free? 223 00:17:06.519 --> 00:17:11.200 Sure? Okay, you sound like you might be the guy we're looking for. 224 00:17:11.319 --> 00:17:15.839 To help our guy coming in scout potential locations for this expedition. I'd 225 00:17:15.880 --> 00:17:19.359 love to help. Where are we looking at now? It turned out they 226 00:17:19.359 --> 00:17:23.839 were looking directly south the Cave Junction and Josephine County, Oregon Caves because, 227 00:17:23.880 --> 00:17:27.519 of course, everybody knows the Doctor Matt's story about Oregon Caves, but they 228 00:17:27.559 --> 00:17:32.000 wanted to be somewhere in that area. April of two thousand and eight, 229 00:17:32.759 --> 00:17:37.799 I roll over to a great place in Cave Junction, Taylor Sausage, and 230 00:17:37.839 --> 00:17:41.119 I meet Cliff Brrickman for the first time. Cliff was the guy from BFRO 231 00:17:41.319 --> 00:17:45.279 who was coming in to do the advanced scouting. We struck up an immediate 232 00:17:45.319 --> 00:17:51.000 friendship that continues to this day. Cliff is absolutely one of the best human 233 00:17:51.039 --> 00:17:53.799 beings I've ever met. Loved the guy to death. We just immediately hit 234 00:17:53.839 --> 00:17:59.440 it off. We scouted a lot of different locations. We encountered some very 235 00:17:59.480 --> 00:18:03.759 interesting humanity living out there in the woods. The problem we had then, 236 00:18:03.920 --> 00:18:07.759 much like this year, we were getting a lot of heavy lower elevation snow. 237 00:18:07.119 --> 00:18:11.079 There were some great spots that we wanted to try and get to that 238 00:18:11.160 --> 00:18:15.160 we just couldn't because of deep snow. One of those spots by the time 239 00:18:15.200 --> 00:18:22.319 the expedition happened on Father's Day weekend in June, there was accessibility right directly 240 00:18:22.359 --> 00:18:25.720 below it, and that was Bolin. Late we couldn't make it all the 241 00:18:25.720 --> 00:18:30.279 way to Bolin, but there's a little area right down below Bowlan called four 242 00:18:30.359 --> 00:18:36.759 Corners because you've got four major roads that basically intersect there big meadow, and 243 00:18:36.920 --> 00:18:40.799 that's where we wound up setting up that expedition camp. That was the main 244 00:18:40.880 --> 00:18:45.559 camp. Then there was a second one that had BFRO members over closer to 245 00:18:45.599 --> 00:18:51.319 Oregon Caves. We got up there into that site, it was just truly 246 00:18:51.400 --> 00:18:57.079 amazing. Heard my first good power would knock on that expedition then had a 247 00:18:57.079 --> 00:19:03.920 bigfoot going into very long sustained vocalizations on the hill right above camp. We 248 00:19:04.000 --> 00:19:07.799 had all separated out, we'd spread out. I was with I can't remember 249 00:19:07.880 --> 00:19:11.680 who it was from BFRORO, but we had people I'll never forget two of 250 00:19:11.680 --> 00:19:15.319 them. One was from Ohio, one was from Illinois, and that one 251 00:19:15.319 --> 00:19:19.279 from Ohio is going to factor big here in a minute, but we're all 252 00:19:19.519 --> 00:19:25.880 out there. Heard this big, heavy just booming against one of the big 253 00:19:25.880 --> 00:19:29.640 old growth trees down there, no wind blowing and as soon as we heard 254 00:19:29.680 --> 00:19:34.319 as that was a knock, and we could not elicit a reply, because 255 00:19:34.319 --> 00:19:38.160 the interesting part was we got that knock, we hadn't even been knocking. 256 00:19:38.519 --> 00:19:42.720 We were walking down the road, everybody just checking everything out. We had 257 00:19:44.000 --> 00:19:49.240 older generation one night vision people were peeking through that and then just an unsolicited, 258 00:19:49.279 --> 00:19:53.359 big hour knock. We're standing there. We made a couple attempts at 259 00:19:53.400 --> 00:19:56.680 trying to get a reply by knocking, and all of a sudden, Maps 260 00:19:56.720 --> 00:20:00.799 on the radio freaking out going We've got no one vocalizing on the hill right 261 00:20:00.839 --> 00:20:04.880 by camp, and stay tuned for more sasquatch out to sea. We'll be 262 00:20:06.039 --> 00:20:12.519 right back. After these messages, we'd worked our way down into this dip 263 00:20:12.720 --> 00:20:17.400 in this ravine. We couldn't hear it, so we turned around. We 264 00:20:17.440 --> 00:20:19.559 start running back up the road going towards camp, and as soon as we 265 00:20:19.599 --> 00:20:23.440 came up out of that ravine, then we could hear the vocals going off. 266 00:20:23.839 --> 00:20:29.480 All get back to camp. Cliff and Chris Minier go off right straight 267 00:20:29.599 --> 00:20:33.559 up the side of the mountain trying to chase this thing down. Bart Katino 268 00:20:33.759 --> 00:20:37.440 took his thermal toys. He goes around the road, trying to circle around 269 00:20:37.920 --> 00:20:42.279 if Cliff and Chris had driven that thing off the mountain across the road. 270 00:20:42.680 --> 00:20:48.000 Bart wanted to be where he could get footage of it. Everybody else fanned 271 00:20:48.000 --> 00:20:51.240 out. I just said, Okay, if everybody else's fanning out, I'm 272 00:20:51.240 --> 00:20:53.720 just gonna stay right here at camp, because the thing may realize that humans 273 00:20:53.920 --> 00:20:57.920 are everywhere but at their camp. So I sat up right there on my 274 00:20:59.079 --> 00:21:03.599 truck, and then the vocalization stop. I could hear a brush popping and 275 00:21:03.640 --> 00:21:07.920 cracking up on that mountain, but found out later that was Cliff and Chris. 276 00:21:07.559 --> 00:21:11.680 I waited, and nothing else was going on. I jump into my 277 00:21:11.759 --> 00:21:15.599 truck in the passenger seat at the window down, and I start dozing off. 278 00:21:15.680 --> 00:21:21.160 And then I hear a big crack. Hear a big branch broken out 279 00:21:21.160 --> 00:21:25.119 of a tree to my left. Couldn't have been more than fifty yards away. 280 00:21:25.400 --> 00:21:26.960 Of course, I don't have night vision, but it is a bright, 281 00:21:27.079 --> 00:21:30.720 full moonlit night, so I pulled the binoculars up. I'm scanning. 282 00:21:30.920 --> 00:21:36.720 I didn't see what did it, but again, no wind going. Why 283 00:21:36.880 --> 00:21:40.480 is a big branch going to come out of a tree unless it was pulled 284 00:21:40.480 --> 00:21:44.720 out. Eventually, I drifted back off to sleep. Nothing else happened all 285 00:21:44.759 --> 00:21:47.359 of a suddenly, you do that, I think, when you fall asleep, 286 00:21:47.400 --> 00:21:49.480 you know you fell asleep and your body's wake up stupid. I do 287 00:21:49.599 --> 00:21:52.839 that, and I wake up and I see this black thing coming in on 288 00:21:52.880 --> 00:21:59.160 this road into camp. Now, the night before I got there, they 289 00:21:59.240 --> 00:22:03.200 had a camp. The guy from Ohio was the only one who woke up, 290 00:22:03.359 --> 00:22:07.279 and he heard the thing come into camp, and he's, I could 291 00:22:07.319 --> 00:22:11.920 tell it was trying to be quiet. I could tell it just by the 292 00:22:12.079 --> 00:22:17.680 movement. Then he said, then I realized it had stopped right by my 293 00:22:17.839 --> 00:22:22.160 tent, And he said, I heard like a finger being dragged on my 294 00:22:22.319 --> 00:22:25.400 tent. He goes, I peeked up, and I could see the shape, 295 00:22:26.119 --> 00:22:29.799 silhouetted by the moonlight, standing over my tent, and he goes, 296 00:22:30.200 --> 00:22:33.400 I just got back down in my sleeping bag and I froze, and I 297 00:22:33.519 --> 00:22:37.640 prayed that thing wasn't going to do anything else. I said, did you 298 00:22:37.759 --> 00:22:40.640 want to peek? And he goes, no. I was terrified at that 299 00:22:40.720 --> 00:22:44.119 point. I didn't even want to peek, but he heard the thing move 300 00:22:44.200 --> 00:22:48.160 through camp. He said, the snoring in camp was unreal. By the 301 00:22:48.160 --> 00:22:56.240 way, Matt Moneymaker ridiculous snore. He sounds like a bear. Tip number 302 00:22:56.279 --> 00:23:00.519 one, if you really want to have a big foot encounter, be intense, 303 00:23:00.160 --> 00:23:06.559 or just be out on the ground and exposed and fake snoring. They 304 00:23:06.599 --> 00:23:10.960 know what snoring is. I know they know, and they will deliberately listen 305 00:23:11.079 --> 00:23:15.359 for it. Then they'll approach you real close. But anyway, this thing 306 00:23:15.440 --> 00:23:18.720 moved through the camp. I did not have the opportunity to get there that 307 00:23:18.799 --> 00:23:21.480 night. I came up the next day. Everybody's telling me the story, 308 00:23:22.240 --> 00:23:26.440 so no, I'm in the afternoon. The sunlight position is completely different. 309 00:23:26.880 --> 00:23:30.759 So I was talking to the only person who woke up and I said, 310 00:23:32.319 --> 00:23:36.359 what direction do you think it was coming from? And he pointed at this 311 00:23:36.519 --> 00:23:41.759 spur road that runs right through and then takes off to the southeast from where 312 00:23:41.799 --> 00:23:45.319 they'd set camp up. And I went, okay. I didn't see anything 313 00:23:45.480 --> 00:23:51.480 directly on the intersection where it came off the main road. Didn't see anything 314 00:23:51.519 --> 00:23:55.000 in camp. But I start walking off down that spur road, and as 315 00:23:55.000 --> 00:23:57.759 you get away from camp and into the trees. It's covered with all this 316 00:23:59.440 --> 00:24:04.119 soft mossy type vegetation. I looked and I could see the impressions and the 317 00:24:04.160 --> 00:24:07.720 moss. I said, yeah, it walked right down this road. I 318 00:24:07.759 --> 00:24:11.839 can see the impression. Nobody else had seen that, and Cliff was really 319 00:24:11.880 --> 00:24:15.920 impressed. He goes, how did you see that? And I go to 320 00:24:15.000 --> 00:24:18.920 me, that's clear as a bell. But now we've got the sun over 321 00:24:18.960 --> 00:24:21.680 here at this angle and it just lights all that up. He goes. 322 00:24:21.880 --> 00:24:23.119 We were over here in the morning and couldn't see it. I said, 323 00:24:23.160 --> 00:24:27.480 because then it was in the shade. You needed that sunlight shining on it 324 00:24:27.880 --> 00:24:34.599 to make the little presses more obvious. And in the afternoon could absolutely see 325 00:24:34.640 --> 00:24:40.440 it. That wound up being a really successful expedition for them. Learned some 326 00:24:40.559 --> 00:24:44.119 great things from Matt that would help me later. But unfortunately Matt and I 327 00:24:44.599 --> 00:24:48.680 type as do this. I never got to be an official part of BFROO, 328 00:24:49.359 --> 00:24:53.759 which was okay. Honestly, I like thinking of myself as the Switzerland 329 00:24:53.759 --> 00:24:57.799 of bigfooting. I try not to get into the drama and the conflicts. 330 00:24:57.839 --> 00:25:03.400 I try to just be happy doing my own thing. But I love having 331 00:25:03.440 --> 00:25:07.359 all the relationships I do with everybody because you get nuggets from this person, 332 00:25:07.440 --> 00:25:11.799 you get nuggets from that person. But the funny thing is, because we 333 00:25:11.960 --> 00:25:17.000 don't know for sure what they are, that's where the conflict starts, and 334 00:25:17.400 --> 00:25:21.640 everybody is so in love with their own belief as to what they are. 335 00:25:21.759 --> 00:25:26.000 I'll put it honestly, I love Cliff to death, but based especially on 336 00:25:26.039 --> 00:25:30.960 my own interactions, now, there's no way they're just apes or anything like 337 00:25:32.039 --> 00:25:37.359 that, because if they were with as intense as we are in the effort 338 00:25:37.680 --> 00:25:41.640 to get them, we would have achieved that. By now. We're deploying 339 00:25:41.720 --> 00:25:47.480 some pretty impressive, high tech military level stuff out into the field and we're 340 00:25:47.559 --> 00:25:51.359 still not any closer yet. Yeah, I am not going to buy the 341 00:25:51.519 --> 00:25:55.279 just the simple with a thing, because there's not. As time has gone 342 00:25:55.319 --> 00:26:00.799 on having my own interactions, it's really taught me they're not just simple for 343 00:26:02.000 --> 00:26:07.119 us states. There is also a reason why some people get successful and some 344 00:26:07.160 --> 00:26:12.680 people don't. I think your demeanor and your approach to them is everything. 345 00:26:14.160 --> 00:26:18.079 I know. They read people extremely well. A Bigfoot would be the best 346 00:26:18.119 --> 00:26:23.039 poker player in the world because they just they read us. They know us 347 00:26:23.160 --> 00:26:27.359 far better than we know them, and they know how to exploit every bit 348 00:26:27.359 --> 00:26:33.839 of weakness that we have, and we don't even begin to understand what level 349 00:26:33.880 --> 00:26:38.359 of weakness they may have except for one, and that's curiosity. And you 350 00:26:38.640 --> 00:26:45.559 really have to be able to know how to trigger that curiosity complex in them. 351 00:26:45.000 --> 00:26:48.440 They don't think a lot of people are going to be willing to do 352 00:26:48.519 --> 00:26:53.640 what I wound up doing when I really wanted to have an encounter. They 353 00:26:53.720 --> 00:26:56.799 just won't. I definitely want to get into that. I want to go 354 00:26:56.920 --> 00:27:02.000 back. I think what you just said probably cleared a little bit of that 355 00:27:02.079 --> 00:27:04.400 up for me, But I want to go back to the initial time when 356 00:27:04.400 --> 00:27:10.119 you were talking about you heard this telling you not to come up that game 357 00:27:10.319 --> 00:27:15.480 trip. Looking back now in hindsight, are we talking about something auditory or 358 00:27:15.480 --> 00:27:18.680 were you talking more like a mind speak telepathic communication thing. What do you 359 00:27:18.680 --> 00:27:23.079 think that he is now looking back in retrospect that you experienced that day that 360 00:27:23.279 --> 00:27:29.680 BFRO expedition. God bless the fact that Rich Hucklebridge was up there. He 361 00:27:29.720 --> 00:27:33.880 was a BFRO member from southern California, retired sheriff's deputy, A lot of 362 00:27:33.880 --> 00:27:38.279 background. When I told Rich that story, Rich no hesitation. All he 363 00:27:38.319 --> 00:27:42.559 goes You got telepaths, and I go explain that to me, and he 364 00:27:42.599 --> 00:27:48.920 explained the whole concept to telepathic messages, and he goes, you will always 365 00:27:48.160 --> 00:27:52.640 swear you heard it, you really truly heard it, but it was in 366 00:27:52.680 --> 00:27:56.039 your head and they implanted a message. And he said. The other thing 367 00:27:56.119 --> 00:28:00.759 you've said that was really key to me was it was proper English and it 368 00:28:00.839 --> 00:28:06.119 was a very heavy male sounding voice. And rich said, you got telepathed. 369 00:28:06.680 --> 00:28:11.359 As time has gone on, and especially now having had it happen again 370 00:28:11.839 --> 00:28:15.519 in a far different way, yeah, I actually, I really do believe 371 00:28:15.799 --> 00:28:21.680 I have been telepath twice. The first time was definitely a warning because for 372 00:28:21.759 --> 00:28:25.799 where that thing was looking at me, you could see my high powered rifle. 373 00:28:26.200 --> 00:28:29.960 You could see that. To him, I look like potential big trouble. 374 00:28:30.680 --> 00:28:33.759 He didn't want me getting anywhere near up there, and especially now knowing 375 00:28:33.799 --> 00:28:40.119 what I know about him, because I suspect there were babies or really young 376 00:28:40.200 --> 00:28:44.599 ones present, and I got the message and he bugged out. You threw 377 00:28:44.640 --> 00:28:48.279 the teaser out there about the curiosity and some of the things that you've done 378 00:28:48.400 --> 00:28:51.599 to get a little deeper into this, Why don't you take us into the 379 00:28:51.640 --> 00:28:55.279 next experience that you had with these things. This actually was the fun one 380 00:28:55.359 --> 00:29:00.000 because this one I went into it purpose designing an encounter. But I had 381 00:29:00.039 --> 00:29:06.680 gotten really frustrated because I found an area they were in. I kept trying 382 00:29:06.720 --> 00:29:11.799 to have encounters but wasn't having encounters yet. So one night, another buddy 383 00:29:11.839 --> 00:29:14.160 of mine and I just said, Hey, here's what we're going to do. 384 00:29:14.920 --> 00:29:18.839 You're going to take me up to the gate that blocks people from getting 385 00:29:18.960 --> 00:29:22.240 up to a fire lookout in this area that I go to. I go, 386 00:29:22.759 --> 00:29:25.839 you're going to drop me off there. You're going to return down below 387 00:29:25.920 --> 00:29:30.279 camp, which is about three miles down mountain from where the gate is. 388 00:29:30.359 --> 00:29:33.599 And I said, I'm going to walk back to camp, no flashlight, 389 00:29:34.079 --> 00:29:38.279 no nothing, just me walking. And he goes, really, he goes, 390 00:29:38.319 --> 00:29:41.359 why are you going to do that? I go just for the fun 391 00:29:41.359 --> 00:29:42.519 of it, because I didn't want to come out and say what I was 392 00:29:42.559 --> 00:29:45.880 really going to try and do and have him think I'm nuts. He's all 393 00:29:45.960 --> 00:29:49.279 right, how are you going to float your boat? So we get up 394 00:29:49.319 --> 00:29:53.680 there, and again, by the way, this is August. This is 395 00:29:53.759 --> 00:30:00.519 that same full moonlight cycle that you get at the beginning part of August that 396 00:30:00.599 --> 00:30:03.640 we had our encounter in nineteen eighty four, and that fact, though, 397 00:30:03.799 --> 00:30:07.799 actually didn't escape my mind. That was something I began to wonder about, 398 00:30:07.839 --> 00:30:12.359 going, well, if you had these conditions before and you had the encounter, 399 00:30:12.480 --> 00:30:17.200 could you possibly have it happen again? So he takes me up, 400 00:30:17.240 --> 00:30:19.680 drops me off at the gate. I've spent half an hour sitting on my 401 00:30:19.759 --> 00:30:26.640 butt, didn't move, just oriented myself to the woods. The amount of 402 00:30:26.720 --> 00:30:30.680 light if you just sit there over the course of time, it's amazing how 403 00:30:30.680 --> 00:30:34.799 well you can see on a full moonlit night. No flashlight required, no 404 00:30:34.880 --> 00:30:41.480 nothing. So I just sat there, waited, got up and started walking 405 00:30:41.559 --> 00:30:47.599 down that road back down the mountain. I had gone maybe three quarters of 406 00:30:47.640 --> 00:30:52.880 a mile when I heard the first movement to my left. And when I 407 00:30:52.920 --> 00:30:56.759 say shadowing me, what it was doing is I would move, it would 408 00:30:56.839 --> 00:30:59.920 move, I would stop, it would stop. And I knew it was 409 00:31:00.160 --> 00:31:03.880 something of size. So in my head, I'm running the checklist, dear, 410 00:31:03.000 --> 00:31:07.359 elk or bear. Okay, if it was any of those three, 411 00:31:07.559 --> 00:31:11.559 why wouldn't it keep moving When I stopped. I start moving, and I 412 00:31:11.599 --> 00:31:18.720 have this little part in the road where the bank. There's vegetation down here. 413 00:31:18.200 --> 00:31:22.240 But then from the mid part of the bank, next to the road 414 00:31:22.400 --> 00:31:26.480 on up to the trees. I've got great visibility. I'm walking and then 415 00:31:26.559 --> 00:31:30.519 immediately turned, stopped and looked to the left and up. What I saw 416 00:31:30.559 --> 00:31:37.400 I'm never gonna forget. There was the biggest head around this fir tree, 417 00:31:37.319 --> 00:31:44.559 massive shoulder, massive arms. I could see this, and he's just looking 418 00:31:44.640 --> 00:31:48.759 at me, and I went, whoa, and he moves back in behind 419 00:31:48.759 --> 00:31:52.200 the tree. I was like, I did it. I've got one right 420 00:31:52.640 --> 00:31:56.839 freaking here. And I had done a lot of research. I'd read all 421 00:31:56.880 --> 00:32:02.119 these stories, I'd looked at pictures. There is a great representation of the 422 00:32:02.119 --> 00:32:07.880 soldier who had a direct face to face encounter with one on Fort Lewis in 423 00:32:07.119 --> 00:32:12.519 Washington. And the size of that thing towering over the shoulder, and the 424 00:32:12.599 --> 00:32:16.960 artistic recreation. You look at that stuff and think, wow, I wonder 425 00:32:17.000 --> 00:32:21.279 if that's really how it's gonna be when I see one. And then I 426 00:32:21.359 --> 00:32:24.480 look up and I see that, I'm like, they're big, really freaking 427 00:32:24.599 --> 00:32:29.079 bag. And I was like, but that is so cool. So I 428 00:32:29.079 --> 00:32:32.000 wait a moment. He's still back behind the tree, not moving at all. 429 00:32:32.599 --> 00:32:37.839 So I start walking off. He starts following me, again, and 430 00:32:37.880 --> 00:32:40.880 I do that stop snap movement, and each time he'd died back into cover, 431 00:32:42.279 --> 00:32:45.319 So I'm like, okay, this is working. Then as I started 432 00:32:45.359 --> 00:32:51.599 walking further, I'd gone maybe fifty yards, and then I hear bigger movement 433 00:32:51.680 --> 00:32:54.400 here, but then closer to me, I'm here in smaller movement, and 434 00:32:54.440 --> 00:32:59.680 I'm like okay. So I start moving along and then do the snaplook and 435 00:32:59.720 --> 00:33:04.640 a smaller black figure, just more of a black shape, dives into furs. 436 00:33:05.319 --> 00:33:07.920 It's closer to me, but I knew it was way smaller than what 437 00:33:08.119 --> 00:33:12.079 was up the bank, And I'm going, we got a kid. So 438 00:33:12.160 --> 00:33:15.839 now I've got two shadowing me. I start walking. Off to my right 439 00:33:16.119 --> 00:33:21.480 is a man's anita patch. As I'm walking along, I'm paying close attention 440 00:33:21.559 --> 00:33:23.440 to what's going on over here. But all of a sudden, I hear 441 00:33:23.720 --> 00:33:28.799 a crack in the man's anita. I turn and look and see this head 442 00:33:28.960 --> 00:33:31.079 up over the man's anita in it duck as soon as it's on me looking 443 00:33:31.119 --> 00:33:37.359 at it. So I'm going three. Now I got three. So I've 444 00:33:37.400 --> 00:33:39.319 got the two over here, big one, little one, and I got 445 00:33:39.319 --> 00:33:45.640 another one down here in the mansanita. They're following me along. Then I 446 00:33:45.759 --> 00:33:49.519 stopped to look again in the man's anita, only this time now there's two 447 00:33:49.559 --> 00:33:52.240 heads, a smaller one and a bigger one, and they both duck into 448 00:33:52.240 --> 00:33:57.119 the manzanita when they realize I'm looking at him. I was like, Okay, 449 00:33:57.160 --> 00:34:01.000 this is interesting. Now I got four They're not trying to get any 450 00:34:01.079 --> 00:34:06.160 closer to me, and it dawned on me, they're very curious about what 451 00:34:06.279 --> 00:34:10.840 you're doing because no flashlight. Not scared at all, and I truly wasn't. 452 00:34:12.440 --> 00:34:15.280 That's one of the elements why I think most people can never do what 453 00:34:15.360 --> 00:34:20.079 I did. People are terrified to be in the woods in the dark, 454 00:34:20.119 --> 00:34:22.639 and I'm not. I've been raised in the woods my whole life as wildland 455 00:34:22.639 --> 00:34:28.159 firefighter. I'm very used to being in the woods in the dark. I 456 00:34:28.199 --> 00:34:31.519 have a comfort level with it that I don't think very many other people have. 457 00:34:32.239 --> 00:34:36.840 So when I start moving off again, this is when the real fund 458 00:34:36.880 --> 00:34:42.400 started. The little guy over here to my left starts soft tossing little pine 459 00:34:42.440 --> 00:34:45.480 cones over my shoulder, landing the road in front of me. You know 460 00:34:45.519 --> 00:34:49.480 how, when you're hanging around with a little kid, like a little brother 461 00:34:49.559 --> 00:34:52.039 or a little cousin, and they start trying to do obnoxious stuff just to 462 00:34:52.039 --> 00:34:57.719 get under your skin. That's exactly how this fell to me. I started 463 00:34:57.800 --> 00:35:01.159 laughing, go huh, yeah, I know, and I keep walking and 464 00:35:01.199 --> 00:35:07.320 then little rocks start coming from the right and below me and hitting in the 465 00:35:07.400 --> 00:35:09.679 road, and I knew exactly what they were doing. They decided they were 466 00:35:09.719 --> 00:35:14.440 going to test me. So the two adults are there, and I know 467 00:35:14.599 --> 00:35:19.039 it was the kids doing it, just messing with me, but they all 468 00:35:19.039 --> 00:35:22.920 wanted to see what they could push me to do. And I just kept 469 00:35:22.960 --> 00:35:24.719 going, no, I'm just walking down the road. You guys can follow 470 00:35:24.800 --> 00:35:28.360 along, you can keep doing this. I'm just going to be walking, 471 00:35:29.039 --> 00:35:32.159 and I did. When I finally get down the mountain and they stayed with 472 00:35:32.239 --> 00:35:37.679 me. There's a big hairpin turn that when you come through that you're going 473 00:35:37.760 --> 00:35:42.159 to be immediately obvious to our camp, and I was. But as soon 474 00:35:42.159 --> 00:35:46.199 as I hit that hairpin, they all scattered. They left. I could 475 00:35:46.239 --> 00:35:50.119 hear movement taking off to the right. I could hear movement to the left, 476 00:35:50.159 --> 00:35:52.639 and I was like, that's cool. I don't care. I just 477 00:35:52.760 --> 00:35:57.079 got what I wanted to have from them. Show up in the camp and 478 00:35:57.159 --> 00:35:59.960 Jeff's all what happened, And I said, you are never going to believe 479 00:36:00.119 --> 00:36:06.119 this. I'm sitting down and I'm facing to our west and there's this dip 480 00:36:06.679 --> 00:36:08.760 right on the other side of camp that you walk up. There's a deer 481 00:36:08.840 --> 00:36:13.840 trail there. You walk up that and it takes you into this reprod area 482 00:36:14.159 --> 00:36:15.280 with a lot of men's and need a lot of berries, a lot of 483 00:36:15.280 --> 00:36:17.719 food source. So I'm sitting there, I'm talking to him, and all 484 00:36:17.719 --> 00:36:22.159 of a sudden, I look up and I see these two faint, what 485 00:36:22.280 --> 00:36:27.440 looked like dim red tail lights, definitely a place where there's no road and 486 00:36:27.480 --> 00:36:30.559 there shouldn't be tail lights. And I'm looking at it, and I'm puzzling, 487 00:36:30.639 --> 00:36:34.639 and we're talking along, but I'm watching this. I'm going, what 488 00:36:34.679 --> 00:36:37.480 am I looking at? What is that? And then I saw the blink. 489 00:36:38.119 --> 00:36:40.679 When I saw the blink, I knew what it was. I jumped 490 00:36:40.719 --> 00:36:49.480 up and went disappeared. I truly believe, especially based on what we did 491 00:36:49.599 --> 00:36:53.039 after the incident. Big Daddy came back around. He circled around, and 492 00:36:53.079 --> 00:36:57.639 he knew where he could look at the camp and think we weren't going to 493 00:36:57.679 --> 00:37:00.800 see him. But I spotted the eye shine. Jeff goes, what did 494 00:37:00.840 --> 00:37:05.079 you say? And I told him and he's no way, and I said, 495 00:37:05.159 --> 00:37:08.800 yeah, he was right there, directly across from me. We start 496 00:37:08.880 --> 00:37:12.719 talking again, and a little bit of time goes by and I look up 497 00:37:12.719 --> 00:37:15.719 and there's one dim red tail light. Then I keep watching and then there's 498 00:37:15.800 --> 00:37:20.400 two dim red tail lights. I went, oh, he's back, and 499 00:37:20.519 --> 00:37:23.199 Jeff did the what jumps up and looks and immediately gone. I said, 500 00:37:23.239 --> 00:37:28.719 you can't do that. Don't do that the next time it comes back. 501 00:37:29.000 --> 00:37:32.719 If it does, all I want you to do is just slowly turn your 502 00:37:32.800 --> 00:37:37.760 head, then start lifting your head until you see it. But don't do 503 00:37:37.920 --> 00:37:40.679 anything like you just did or I did the first time. He's like all 504 00:37:40.760 --> 00:37:45.079 right. So we're talking along and then I look over there again and there 505 00:37:45.079 --> 00:37:47.400 are two dim red tail lights sitting there. I go, okay, he's 506 00:37:47.480 --> 00:37:53.880 back. Just remember ease he bring your head around and then easy, bring 507 00:37:53.920 --> 00:37:58.880 it up. And he did it, and I'll never forget when he saw 508 00:37:59.000 --> 00:38:04.880 that thing, it was just like, oh my. Then that thing blinked 509 00:38:04.920 --> 00:38:07.519 and he saw the blink and he was like, he's just standing there. 510 00:38:07.519 --> 00:38:12.519 I go, he's just standing there watching what we're doing. He's sizing us 511 00:38:12.559 --> 00:38:15.519 up right now. Apparently he got bored with just watching us sit there at 512 00:38:15.519 --> 00:38:22.119 a campfire, because he turned and he moved back over into that repot area, 513 00:38:22.119 --> 00:38:23.800 and I was sure the rest of the family's in there and they're gathering 514 00:38:23.800 --> 00:38:28.039 food, and he probably went back went these two aren't doing anything, so 515 00:38:28.119 --> 00:38:31.440 we're fine. When we got up the next morning, we went where we 516 00:38:31.519 --> 00:38:37.320 thought he was, and of course, when his eye shines, disappearing big 517 00:38:37.360 --> 00:38:40.760 furs, so I figured out immediately what he's doing. He's just ducking back 518 00:38:40.840 --> 00:38:45.639 behind that fur, and then he'd like look and make sure everything was cool. 519 00:38:45.480 --> 00:38:49.639 We spent the rest of the day looking around, and we didn't find 520 00:38:49.719 --> 00:38:53.039 anything great. And I've never been a big one about casting. Of course, 521 00:38:53.079 --> 00:38:57.679 Cliff's telling me cast everything. I've done that and most of what I 522 00:38:57.760 --> 00:39:00.039 got turned out looking. This isn't anything that's we're going to convince me. 523 00:39:00.920 --> 00:39:07.559 But we found impressions all over the place in various sizes. Obviously great hotspot. 524 00:39:08.400 --> 00:39:14.400 If I went through every single encounter I have had with them, it'll 525 00:39:14.440 --> 00:39:17.199 be five pm this evening my time, we'll still be talking. I'm gonna 526 00:39:17.280 --> 00:39:22.599 hit a couple that I think are far more interesting because I think it reveals 527 00:39:22.639 --> 00:39:29.360 things about them and their nature. The next great encounter I had with Big 528 00:39:29.440 --> 00:39:32.440 Daddy, and I'm never going to forget this. I was probably a mile 529 00:39:32.480 --> 00:39:37.719 and a half west of Low Camp, middle of the night, and I 530 00:39:37.920 --> 00:39:42.440 just gone out and was sitting on this down log, and I could hear 531 00:39:42.679 --> 00:39:45.880 activity all over the side of the mountain. When I say I could hear 532 00:39:45.960 --> 00:39:50.800 activity, there was movement. They were vocalizing back and forth to each other. 533 00:39:51.280 --> 00:39:53.760 Contrary to what a lot of people believe, they do whoop to each 534 00:39:53.760 --> 00:39:58.960 other, and they do would knock to each other even if there's humans not 535 00:39:59.400 --> 00:40:04.360 present. Stay tuned for more sasquat Chatta see. We'll be right back after 536 00:40:04.400 --> 00:40:09.599 these messages. And I hear this all the time. Now, Oh, 537 00:40:09.599 --> 00:40:14.360 they only do that when we're around, No, humans only hear it when 538 00:40:14.400 --> 00:40:19.679 we're there. It's a form of communication they're doing all the time. So 539 00:40:19.840 --> 00:40:23.159 I'm sitting there listening to them interact, and I thought I heard what sounded 540 00:40:23.239 --> 00:40:27.679 like a rat down behind me, and I didn't really pay it too much 541 00:40:27.760 --> 00:40:31.039 attention, and I'm just sitting there and then all of a sudden, it 542 00:40:31.159 --> 00:40:35.960 was like I got enveloped and I knew something big was right behind me, 543 00:40:36.039 --> 00:40:42.159 and I'm like, oh, And then I heard the Darth Vader breathing on 544 00:40:42.400 --> 00:40:47.079 steroids. He was so close to me. I could hear the air coming 545 00:40:47.159 --> 00:40:52.599 in and going out, and I was like, wow, big Daddy is 546 00:40:52.639 --> 00:40:57.360 standing right behind me. I didn't even have to turn around. I knew 547 00:40:57.880 --> 00:41:02.079 who and what was right behind me and so close to me. Could hear 548 00:41:02.159 --> 00:41:07.199 him breathing in and out. By the way, no smell. If you 549 00:41:07.280 --> 00:41:12.280 believe smell always follows bigfoot, you're wrong about that. I have had an 550 00:41:12.320 --> 00:41:19.000 odor present on maybe thirty percent of my total encounters, but the majority no 551 00:41:19.199 --> 00:41:22.880 smell at all, So you can't rely on smell as an indicator of a 552 00:41:23.000 --> 00:41:28.239 bigfoot being around. He stood there, and I'm like, Daddy, I 553 00:41:28.320 --> 00:41:30.599 know you're there, and I know you could finish me right now if you 554 00:41:30.679 --> 00:41:34.880 wanted to, but I'm just sitting here on this log and I'm listening to 555 00:41:34.920 --> 00:41:37.360 the family carrying on, and I'm just going to keep sitting right here on 556 00:41:37.360 --> 00:41:44.079 this log. He stood there behind me and watched me sitting there on the 557 00:41:44.079 --> 00:41:47.840 log, and the whole time I'm like, Wow, Okay, this is 558 00:41:47.880 --> 00:41:52.320 a lot closer encounter than I want to have, really, And then he 559 00:41:52.400 --> 00:41:55.440 finally got bored to watching me, and he turns and he starts going off 560 00:41:55.480 --> 00:41:59.880 down the hill. And when I heard him get off down the hill about 561 00:41:59.880 --> 00:42:01.920 a couple hundred yards down, I turned look in the darkness and I go, 562 00:42:02.360 --> 00:42:07.119 thank you, and I meant it. But there's another proof. Are 563 00:42:07.159 --> 00:42:13.239 they hostile to humans? Definitely? Not always. I have never had a 564 00:42:13.280 --> 00:42:17.039 hostile encounter with this family group, not once. But to the north, 565 00:42:17.719 --> 00:42:22.840 there is another family group that Henri would probably be the best way to describe 566 00:42:22.880 --> 00:42:29.280 them. There are a lot of hostile encounters with human beings with that group. 567 00:42:29.719 --> 00:42:35.280 They're very antagonistic towards us. And it isn't just about hunters, and 568 00:42:35.320 --> 00:42:40.440 it isn't just about people out robbing their berry patches. They're antagonistic even when 569 00:42:40.519 --> 00:42:45.280 you just simply decide you're going to go camping. They have their spot in 570 00:42:45.320 --> 00:42:47.719 the world and they don't want you in it. What was your next encounter 571 00:42:47.760 --> 00:42:52.960 with these things? The fun one because we didn't expect it to happen. 572 00:42:52.239 --> 00:42:58.199 I was on the Jackson County Wolf Committee here we had a wolf in June 573 00:42:58.199 --> 00:43:05.440 of twenty sixteen. The killed sheep and go literally in the Asceland city limits. 574 00:43:05.840 --> 00:43:08.760 I thought I knew where he was headed. So I took one of 575 00:43:08.760 --> 00:43:13.880 my bigfoot and buddies, Tommy, and a friend of mine, Jason, 576 00:43:14.000 --> 00:43:19.039 who had thermal equipment. I didn't have it, Jason had it. I 577 00:43:19.079 --> 00:43:22.119 said, we're going to go look for a wolf. So we went into 578 00:43:22.159 --> 00:43:25.280 the area where I believe the wolf was. I started making a wolf house, 579 00:43:25.400 --> 00:43:30.480 by the way earlier I did the Columbiana County. You can tell the 580 00:43:30.480 --> 00:43:35.679 difference between a wolfhouse and a bigfoot how in a blank because they don't sound 581 00:43:35.840 --> 00:43:39.679 anything close. So we go up in the mountains. I start making wolf 582 00:43:39.719 --> 00:43:44.880 house, but we're hearing a response coming to the northeast from us that we 583 00:43:44.920 --> 00:43:47.159 can hear something, we just can't make out what it is. And I 584 00:43:47.239 --> 00:43:52.079 keep asking Tommy, you had a lot of experience out and about and with 585 00:43:52.239 --> 00:43:54.760 me. I go bigfoot or wolf and he goes, I can't tell. 586 00:43:55.199 --> 00:44:00.280 He goes, but something is definitely northeast of us, and I went okay, 587 00:44:00.800 --> 00:44:04.039 So we jump in the truck. We go up. We get to 588 00:44:04.079 --> 00:44:07.639 a different position and a little bit on the crest of this hill, and 589 00:44:07.679 --> 00:44:10.880 I'm going, this probably will be a better spot to call from. I 590 00:44:10.960 --> 00:44:16.480 let those with three wolf howls an immediate response to the northeast, but again 591 00:44:17.400 --> 00:44:21.719 just far enough out that we can't really tell for sure what it is. 592 00:44:22.119 --> 00:44:23.199 And I told the guys that said, okay, let's get back in the 593 00:44:23.199 --> 00:44:27.559 truck. We're going to close distance on this thing. So I got way 594 00:44:27.599 --> 00:44:32.079 to the northeast, found this spot. Stop, get out, wolf howl. 595 00:44:32.599 --> 00:44:36.639 No response at all now, and I'm like, that's a bummer. 596 00:44:36.960 --> 00:44:39.000 So we're standing at the back of the truck and we're talking, and all 597 00:44:39.039 --> 00:44:43.800 of a sudden, I see Tommy and Jason look to our southwest and do 598 00:44:43.960 --> 00:44:46.800 the RCA dog what they go, get in and hear it. I go 599 00:44:47.119 --> 00:44:51.400 care what they go? Bul whistle? And then it did it again. 600 00:44:52.119 --> 00:44:55.599 And then I was like, oh, because again three o'clock in the morning, 601 00:44:55.960 --> 00:45:00.599 no human's up there at all. Definitely not an owl, Definitely not 602 00:45:00.679 --> 00:45:05.719 a bird. That was a bigfoot whistle without any question. So I sent 603 00:45:05.800 --> 00:45:08.960 Tommy back to the west and he's looking to the south in the direction where 604 00:45:09.000 --> 00:45:12.880 we heard the whistle come from. Jason and I are watching him, and 605 00:45:12.880 --> 00:45:15.840 then all of a sudden I saw him do the bird dog go on point 606 00:45:16.159 --> 00:45:20.119 with his body language, and I told Tommy, I said, he's seeing 607 00:45:20.119 --> 00:45:22.880 one right now. I can tell you just by the way he's standing there 608 00:45:22.920 --> 00:45:27.400 looking and what's going on. Tommy double times it back to the truck and 609 00:45:27.440 --> 00:45:29.880 he goes, I just saw one. I'm laughing. I go, yeah, 610 00:45:29.880 --> 00:45:31.079 I could tell he knew you did. And he goes, but it 611 00:45:31.079 --> 00:45:35.079 was peeking around tree and he goes and I saw some eyeshine and I go 612 00:45:35.159 --> 00:45:37.360 really, and he goes, yeah, blue, And I went okay, 613 00:45:37.960 --> 00:45:40.639 So I said, Jason, go with him, use your thermal see if 614 00:45:40.679 --> 00:45:45.039 you see anything. And then I moved to the southeast and there was this 615 00:45:45.159 --> 00:45:50.559 clearing. I thought the thing would move to the east. It didn't. 616 00:45:50.719 --> 00:45:53.880 It went straight south, kept going south. I would go up the next 617 00:45:53.920 --> 00:45:57.960 day and find out if there was this big deep ravine all full of brush 618 00:45:57.960 --> 00:46:00.000 and rocks. And he knew there was no way we were coming in there. 619 00:46:00.480 --> 00:46:04.639 He got back in compared notes, I told Tommy, I said, 620 00:46:04.639 --> 00:46:07.400 oh, the really cool part was he didn't have to do anything. He 621 00:46:07.599 --> 00:46:13.320 whistled at us just to provoke the interaction, just to let us know he 622 00:46:13.400 --> 00:46:16.440 was there, just to screw with us. They do have a sense of 623 00:46:16.480 --> 00:46:21.960 humor. They will do things to humans, I think at times, just 624 00:46:22.280 --> 00:46:25.840 knowing us, knowing how we respond to things in the dark. And then 625 00:46:25.880 --> 00:46:29.159 when all of a sudden he realized, oh, they're going to come after 626 00:46:29.199 --> 00:46:31.360 me. Okay, I pushed my joke too far, bailed and got out, 627 00:46:31.480 --> 00:46:36.079 but Tommy did get to see him at least, and I'm firmly convinced 628 00:46:36.119 --> 00:46:40.719 this type of behavior is definitely more of the boys teenage around twenty something, 629 00:46:42.159 --> 00:46:45.960 just having fun and screwing around with people. That was so much fun because 630 00:46:46.000 --> 00:46:51.559 we never went out expecting to have a bigfoot encounter, and then lo and 631 00:46:51.599 --> 00:46:57.440 behold Bigfoot basically said hello and made sure we knew it was there. Yeah, 632 00:46:57.480 --> 00:47:00.840 that was a lot of fun, just because the unexpected nature of it. 633 00:47:00.920 --> 00:47:05.880 That was the last thing I expected to have outpen. I'm curious about 634 00:47:06.159 --> 00:47:07.920 you mentioned it earlier, so I definitely want to go back there for a 635 00:47:07.920 --> 00:47:12.840 second about them being more than flesh and blood, because I am a very 636 00:47:12.880 --> 00:47:15.880 flesh and blood person when it comes to these things. I think they're probably 637 00:47:15.960 --> 00:47:20.519 some sort of an ape, but clearly I've talked to a lot of people 638 00:47:20.519 --> 00:47:23.000 who don't think that, so talk to me a little bit about other than 639 00:47:23.039 --> 00:47:27.480 them not being discovered, because I think I've talked about this on the show 640 00:47:27.519 --> 00:47:30.119 before. I feel very much like you, we are out there looking. 641 00:47:30.239 --> 00:47:34.360 There's a lot of people in the woods trying to solve this mystery, so 642 00:47:34.400 --> 00:47:37.199 you think we would have definitive proof at this point. But I've had conversations 643 00:47:37.199 --> 00:47:40.199 with people in the past. Doctor Russ Jones has been on the show, 644 00:47:40.239 --> 00:47:45.280 and I've been on Doctor Russ's show, and we've talked about that before about 645 00:47:45.280 --> 00:47:49.800 how many people are really out there, full time boots on the ground in 646 00:47:49.840 --> 00:47:52.880 the woods looking for these things and it's a very small number. Helped me 647 00:47:52.880 --> 00:47:57.639 out here. Is it more about that that you feel like they're more than 648 00:47:57.920 --> 00:48:01.199 flesh and blood because we haven't fully discs over them as a discovered and recognized 649 00:48:01.239 --> 00:48:06.079 species, or do you think it's more what are your theories on what these 650 00:48:06.079 --> 00:48:09.440 things might be if they're other than flesh and blood? Okay, this is 651 00:48:09.480 --> 00:48:16.760 where you start looking at all possibilities because until for sure everything is a possibility, 652 00:48:17.360 --> 00:48:22.920 you can't just automatically write something off because it may not agree with your 653 00:48:22.920 --> 00:48:25.960 personal bias. So I don't come into it with a bias, but I 654 00:48:27.000 --> 00:48:30.400 don't believe they're just simply an ape for all the reasons you enumerated. Now, 655 00:48:31.119 --> 00:48:34.960 there are a number of things that they do. Some of these things 656 00:48:34.960 --> 00:48:39.400 I've witnessed self producing eyeshine. When I have seen eyeshine, I have never 657 00:48:39.559 --> 00:48:45.840 cast a light on them. It is always something I have seen looking and 658 00:48:46.039 --> 00:48:51.400 like I recounted that first experience seeing it, you see these kind of dim 659 00:48:51.440 --> 00:48:54.239 looking lights that look really out of place, and then all of a sudden 660 00:48:54.239 --> 00:49:00.280 you get the blink and then it's oh, okay, okay that. Yeah. 661 00:49:00.360 --> 00:49:05.880 A number of creatures on Earth that can do self produced eyeshine, but 662 00:49:05.960 --> 00:49:08.559 they live in caves and they live in the deep seas. This would be 663 00:49:08.599 --> 00:49:17.199 the only terrestrial or mostly terrestrial creature I'm aware of that will have that to 664 00:49:17.360 --> 00:49:24.039 that capability. They also produce infrasound, while other things do that. Again, 665 00:49:24.960 --> 00:49:30.000 to find out they're doing it, that came through sound analysis that people 666 00:49:30.039 --> 00:49:37.440 have done and suddenly discovered spectrums they could see sounds being produced. This is 667 00:49:37.480 --> 00:49:42.320 another reason though, why howling was never going to work for them, because 668 00:49:42.360 --> 00:49:45.760 when you're trying to do the long drawn out how what they are also producing 669 00:49:45.840 --> 00:49:52.400 at the same time as infrasound when they hear those howls and there's no infrasound 670 00:49:52.440 --> 00:49:55.920 behind it, and it doesn't have the carry and sustain that they do make 671 00:49:57.000 --> 00:50:00.159 the woods ring. I don't care how good I do it. Maybe if 672 00:50:00.199 --> 00:50:06.400 I'm in a real canyony area with a lot of echo, I can get 673 00:50:06.480 --> 00:50:09.840 close to having that same ring quality. But I've never heard a human ever 674 00:50:09.920 --> 00:50:15.280 get it and get it right. So when you watch the TV shows and 675 00:50:15.360 --> 00:50:21.440 you hear vocalizations every single time, I'm convinced that was somebody going, all 676 00:50:21.519 --> 00:50:25.239 right, humans, we got these morons everybody. They're letting everybody know. 677 00:50:25.960 --> 00:50:34.199 And you notice nothing ever happens once those vocalizations started. It just that's it. 678 00:50:34.199 --> 00:50:39.360 It's game over. What I basically learned is their communication pattern, which 679 00:50:39.519 --> 00:50:45.440 is far more advanced than ours, because they do it in any number of 680 00:50:45.480 --> 00:50:52.280 ways. You have to be beyond just mammal could produce some of that, 681 00:50:52.480 --> 00:50:57.159 meaning, the telepathy, that kind of thing that would be beyond the realm. 682 00:50:57.320 --> 00:51:01.920 The repeated stories about them seemingly to have slipped to another dimension. The 683 00:51:02.039 --> 00:51:07.719 native spoke of that long before white people suddenly out in the woods going It's 684 00:51:07.760 --> 00:51:12.599 like the thing just disappeared right in front of me. Sometimes they just simply 685 00:51:12.639 --> 00:51:19.199 stop moving, or is it true? I have followed trackways in the woods 686 00:51:19.239 --> 00:51:23.840 that just suddenly stopped for no reason at all. It shouldn't have stopped. 687 00:51:24.039 --> 00:51:31.079 The soil straight didn't change. Why did the tracks just suddenly? That's it 688 00:51:31.400 --> 00:51:37.159 into the line, like this thing just disappeared from the earth. Okay, 689 00:51:37.320 --> 00:51:42.559 the sounds that they make. Scott has talked about this, he's still talking 690 00:51:42.559 --> 00:51:45.599 about it right now. And our town halls were doing They had a friend 691 00:51:45.599 --> 00:51:51.400 of theirs analyze it, and he said, whatever is making that sound of 692 00:51:51.440 --> 00:51:57.000 a recording he got in northeastern Oregon. He said, that thing's got more 693 00:51:57.079 --> 00:52:00.679 vocal cord folds than a human has two. This thing has at least three, 694 00:52:00.840 --> 00:52:05.639 if not more. So you combine all of this, and now I'm 695 00:52:05.639 --> 00:52:08.800 going to get to this point. Grew up in a religious household, grew 696 00:52:08.880 --> 00:52:14.320 up in churches, spent a lot of time being educated in parochial schools. 697 00:52:15.039 --> 00:52:20.400 I know about what happened in Revelation, and it talked about the conflict with 698 00:52:20.559 --> 00:52:24.719 Lucifer and his followers in heaven. There was a war in Heaven and Lucifer 699 00:52:24.760 --> 00:52:31.159 and his followers were cast out down here. According to the account of what 700 00:52:31.360 --> 00:52:37.920 happened, basically, you had these fallen angels roaming the earth. They start 701 00:52:38.039 --> 00:52:43.519 encountering. If you're going to be believing in God, which I happen to 702 00:52:43.519 --> 00:52:46.519 do, you're going to believe the account of creation. They start encountering these 703 00:52:46.599 --> 00:52:52.599 humans. Well, Melpa Ketchum's original DNA findings may have made a lot of 704 00:52:52.639 --> 00:52:55.440 people laugh, It didn't make me laugh because I have a friend of mine 705 00:52:55.480 --> 00:53:00.199 who's a pastor here in Medford, who had an encounter with them. He 706 00:53:00.639 --> 00:53:05.280 came back out of that going these are Nephilim, and Nephalom is the name 707 00:53:05.320 --> 00:53:10.000 of those fallen angels cast out of heaven with Lucifer. So when Melba's DNA 708 00:53:10.199 --> 00:53:14.800 comes out and says we've got human in here, but there's something else, 709 00:53:15.559 --> 00:53:22.440 I start thinking about multiple vocal cords, trackways that just seemingly disappear with no 710 00:53:22.559 --> 00:53:29.159 problem. I shine self produced. Anything's on the table. Maybe I'm wrong. 711 00:53:29.840 --> 00:53:34.480 I'll throw the hypothesis out that what we are probably dealing with. And 712 00:53:34.559 --> 00:53:39.480 doctor Jeff agrees with at least part of this. Really commented hybrid with Nephilim. 713 00:53:40.079 --> 00:53:45.559 Because the early humans pre Noah's flood were much bigger than us. We 714 00:53:45.719 --> 00:53:52.559 know that they also lived much longer than we did, methusla a thousand years. 715 00:53:52.000 --> 00:53:55.519 And here's something else I can't get away from. In the show Alaska 716 00:53:57.199 --> 00:54:04.039 Triangle, they talked about finding these human remains, only they referred to them 717 00:54:04.039 --> 00:54:07.719 as the giants. These bones out in the islands in the Aleutians, in 718 00:54:07.800 --> 00:54:14.760 spots in interior Alaska that represent humans that would have been fifteen feet tall. 719 00:54:15.159 --> 00:54:19.159 Then they go on in Alaska Triangle talk about how people are reporting seeing these 720 00:54:19.199 --> 00:54:23.239 to these days. I'm skeptical about that. I've never heard anybody credible speak 721 00:54:23.280 --> 00:54:28.079 to that and claim that they saw that. Obviously, we're getting a lot 722 00:54:28.119 --> 00:54:31.280 more bigfoot reports out of Alaska out because more people are looking that way. 723 00:54:31.639 --> 00:54:37.480 It makes sense. But the giants thing for where they found these I began 724 00:54:37.559 --> 00:54:40.760 to wonder, Okay, if you believe Noah's flood happened, and there were 725 00:54:40.920 --> 00:54:47.559 humans that died and perished in the flood, maybe these are remains of those 726 00:54:47.679 --> 00:54:53.039 pre flood humans. You get those pre flood humans with their larger sizes, 727 00:54:53.320 --> 00:54:59.400 you get that hybridization with Nephelin. Now you got something that I think would 728 00:54:59.440 --> 00:55:04.679 be fully capable of doing everything we see these things do, and would also 729 00:55:04.760 --> 00:55:10.000 help explain why we're not any closer. We're not capturing them, we're not 730 00:55:10.480 --> 00:55:16.519 closing in on them, because they're far smarter. Whatever they are, they're 731 00:55:16.519 --> 00:55:22.280 far smarter than we are. We are victims of our own human ego and 732 00:55:22.400 --> 00:55:27.000 hubris believing we're the smartest, most dominant things on this planet. And I 733 00:55:27.039 --> 00:55:30.079 no longer believe that you mentioned the town halls. Do you have anything else 734 00:55:30.119 --> 00:55:32.679 going on that you want to tell the people about before we get out of 735 00:55:32.719 --> 00:55:36.960 here. Scott and I are going to be doing a town hall coming up 736 00:55:37.039 --> 00:55:40.599 in Klamath Falls, Oregon at the Klymouth County Fairgrounds a week from Saturday, 737 00:55:42.159 --> 00:55:46.159 So that is going to be the sixteenth, I believe, Saturday the sixteenth 738 00:55:46.239 --> 00:55:52.000 in Klimath Falls. I'm going to be reaching out to the people with Confederated 739 00:55:52.039 --> 00:56:00.480 Tribes of the Klamath because they're reservation in Klamath County, unbelievable history of inns 740 00:56:00.519 --> 00:56:06.239 and things going on. They hold a very deep spiritual connection with them. 741 00:56:06.880 --> 00:56:10.280 The tribes that I have talked to here locally to us, the Urus and 742 00:56:10.320 --> 00:56:15.119 the Hoopahs, they will say that Bigfoot has been around since they have been 743 00:56:15.199 --> 00:56:20.039 people, and when they say that since we have been people, that means 744 00:56:20.039 --> 00:56:22.800 since the tribe has begun. There you have it, folks, Greg, 745 00:56:22.800 --> 00:56:24.960 I've had a blast talking to you. Thank you so much for coming on 746 00:56:25.000 --> 00:56:29.599 and telling your experiences of my pleasure. And I'm glad we finally got hooked 747 00:56:29.639 --> 00:56:31.199 up on this. Like I said down the road, when I get my 748 00:56:31.320 --> 00:56:35.519 own thing going, believe me, I'll return the favor and have you on 749 00:56:35.719 --> 00:56:37.760 because you got to listen to me for about an hour. I'd like to 750 00:56:37.800 --> 00:56:42.719 talk to you and talk about things that have topped up with you, either 751 00:56:42.840 --> 00:56:46.880 talking to guests or maybe even out in the field. They say you don't 752 00:56:46.920 --> 00:57:23.480 lot a go, but you can't stay inside stasie chart this chart, that 753 00:57:24.000 --> 00:57:30.800 chart everything calling right back, crying back, joy from me, joy, 754 00:57:31.000 --> 00:58:49.000 stay right, come in right away. Still still says, says, still stout sasstsssssssss