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You are the radio man. Really, Hello, welcome to the show.
I'm David Jung. On this occasion I have another returning guest who was on
just a few months back, and what an interesting show that was. It's
mister Mark Golly. Now, last time we spoke about King Arthur and Merlin.
On this occasion we're going to be talking about aliens and UFOs, so
quote a vast difference in subject there. I take great pleasure in welcoming Mark
you beat to the show. Hello, Mark, welcome to the show.
Hi nice to be here again. Yeah, I think you're the I think
you're the first guest has come back so soon after the previous one. Must
be because I talked too much. I got far too nice to talk about
now. I don't say that because it's not true. I think it was
maybe the last time, so this is all. Yeah, that's basically about
three months ago. I've only the time has gone so quick, isn't it.
Yeah, Yeah, time flies. I mean, I don't do many
interviews in the UK. Believe they're not a lot of them America. I
did an Australian one the other day. I think it's only two or maybe
three stations in the UK. So the more you can have, more you
can have me, the better. Yeah, reached our own home audience.
I feel quite thank you very much. We're gonna I'm quite intrigued because we're
going to be talking about Europe for us. Will yes, as you know,
I mean, the last time we were talking about quite a different subject,
King Arthur and Moon and everything else. And I've got your book,
Hey what a Star fabulous, which is brilliant. Well, I'm started sort
of digging around in a little bit some pieces, but it's quite an intensbook,
so we'll get into that deeper later just just worked through the dates.
The dates are all left hand side, so pick a subject, look at
a date, and just dive in. You know. It's very fascinating actually
because I was in Cornwall. As I told you, I was going to
Cornwall, and I actually went to Tintedul Castle. Now you told me that
that's not really I know we're we're not got into the subject yet, but
but tin Teduel isn't really King Arthur country, as you know. No,
no, as I said, there were I think there were ten first ten
and surviving editions as Geoffrey of Monmoth's History the Kings of Britain doesn't have Tintadgle
in it. And then once you get into all the rest of the surviving
editions, all of a sudden robs the gloss, his patron, his cousin,
buys the castle and it basically gets written in. So if you've got
a later edition of History of the Kings of Britain, oh you've got the
whole King Arthur thing. It's all in there, you know. And it's
a shame because from an archaeologist perspective, it's a superb site. Proper,
you know, it's post Roman dark Age real, you know, international archaeology
there. I'd wish they just talk about that, you know. But so
it's kind of a double cover up. Number one, it's nothing to do
with Arthur. It's just relocating Arthur and getting you away from the truth.
And number two, they're covering up the fact that the archaeology is actually quite
radical. There's some really good dark Age stuff there. So it's kind of
two for one, you know. I just wish they're just you know,
Yeah, it's an amazing it's an amazing place. So it's a incredible I've
always wanted to go there. Yeah, it's very King Arthur orientated. But
yeah, and you need strong links to walk about, I'll tell you.
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's a bit of a climb.
Yeah. And anyway, we're going to be talking about today Europe's Roswell.
Yeah, as you you brought their subjects up now, as you said
to you off here, I've always known as Europe's was will or UK's well
as well as Rendelsham. But I believe a different idea. Well, the
way we looked at it, the way we approached this back in two thousand
and eight as a documentary was what parallels do we have between the crash that
we're talking about, which is Clanillar in just outside Aberys within North Wales,
and the actual Roswell crash. Well, of course the actual Roswell crashed.
The is exactly that, you know, something came flying down, crashed,
left a shedloaded debris, and then that whatever it was vanished, you know,
be it you know, cleared up by the military or whatever. Well,
what we've got at Clanillare is exactly the same. It's not like the
Rerendelshim encounter. There was a recovery team got onto this site shortly after the
military cleanup operation and they recovered pieces of it. So the main thrust of
Europe's Roswell is that we literally literally have the same sort of gameplay, if
you like, at this crash at clenil are As as we had at the
real Roswell in New Mexico in nineteen forty seven. This thing came down in
nineteen eighty three. So it's it's just the parallels are just too much to
not call it that. I mean, the other one that the other one
always gets mixed up with is the Booing Mountain incident, where you had something
coming down on the mountains, booing mountains. Well, we do hear more
about that one, don't, well after render sham, But yeah, it's
not about I don't really hear too much about Well, you won't have done
it's it's this one is neither of those. This is a completely unique one.
As I said, we did. We covered it for a documentary.
We produced a documentary in two thousand and eight for the twenty fifth anniversary of
the crash that went out. I mean you can go and watch it.
I believe it's on Amazon Prime. It's on the internet at the moment.
And that went all over the place, it was, so that will mean
I've got to post some money again, Yeah, I'm afraid. So oh
you could try and maybe track down a second and uncopy of the DVDs that'll
be out there on Amazon somewhere. And yeah, we did that, We
covered it, you know, in that form. And I suspected to us
something a bit wrong with that because it was done by reality films in the
States. They they took it and covered it and released it and what have
you. And I'm kind of sat there, you know, as you do,
waiting for the you know, cascade of interviews and fame and Fortune and
front cover of Time magazine and all that, you know, UFO recovering all
that. I got one phone call from an American radio station and then they
never followed it up, so it vanished. It literally vanished. And I'm
thinking that means we got it right, you know, that means it's the
truth. Yeah, total total, I mean it was. It was ridiculously
covered up, you know, to the point where as you say, probably
to this day, most people don't know it even happened, you know.
So I can actually I can show you because I have a proof copy right
here. It comes because then because we're on audio radio, here a copy
of Europe's Ruelle coming soon. It is. I'm getting my own back here
because you did the same with the author books. So all these people out
there are going, what are they talking about? How do they know that
that's what they're talking about? Well, this book which I'm just holding up
here, it's due out. The official date was August, where it's coming
out in November now because it's forty years since impact. So it's what we've
done is we've gathered every single piece of information we could get our hands on.
There's photographs is how we produced the DVD. There's interviews with the people
involved. You know, it's kind of very much it's a show and tell
book. It's not it's not big because we didn't want to add anything to
it. The story kind of tells itself. Well that'll be how should yeah,
Flying dis Press. It'll be out on Amazon through Amazon from the first
of November. It's a stocking filler, you know for Christmas. I've already
done that, a King Arthur book. That's good, he says, how
many, four hundred and eighty eight pages long. I wasn't going to do
another monster, you know, and this time last year we were talking about
Crystal Skulls and Human Heads, which was the other book. And it's very
unusual for me to do more than one book in about three years, and
I've done it the other way around. I've done three books in a year.
So you know, it's totally unpredictable. That's Philip mental though it is.
Indeed, Yeah, he does a really good job. He really knows
how to produce stuff. The same guy that illustrated the cover of the Arthur
book, we did a stunning job of that. Same chap has done this
one Europe Croswell Sebastian Wassick. He does those artworks for us, and that's
totally down to Philip. Philip found him, you know, and he's brilliant,
absolutely brilliant. I'm guessing it'll be on Kindle as well. It'll be
an audiobook as well, and it does follow very much the same kind of
formula, if you like, as the documentary. So it's going to be
an audio book. Are you going to be do reading it or somebody else?
I do do that sort of thing, but I don't think I'll be
doing this one. I'm not I'm going to put it. I'm not scientific
enough, I think is the word. I'd like a sort of you know
that scientific. Not quite as far as Stephen Hawking, but you know,
scientific type voice. We're looking for somebody who's got the right voice for it.
I think the same chapter that did Crystal Skulls be pretty good, but
we have to wait and see because that's the last The last thing we do
is the audio version. It's taking a year to do the audio version of
The King Arthur and the poor guy that got that job. I'm actually I've
been listening to a few audio books myself. And do you think that he
got maybe? I mean, some of these books are so thick, you've
got like twenty nine hours to cover. Well, yeah, I was thinking,
there's latted in that book. There's like loads of wealthy medieval dialect.
You know, there's so much stuff in there. The poor guy must have
been tearing his hair out where he was doing that. But there you go.
So I've got to David nightbook The Professions of a Renegade Mind. Ah
was it the other one? He's later one of the trap Sorry, it's
a trap. Well I've got the audio version and it's actually him reading it
and it's fantastic. Oh wow, Okay, well life, maybe I'll suggest
that to Philip. I'll say, you know, maybe maybe for this one,
let me loose, Yeah, let me have a bite at the cham
Who happens when your voices quite listable? Too? And when you've been lots
of TV shows? And yeah, I've done I've done a fair bit of
that. Yeah. I was stumbling around in an antique center because the BBC
were they're doing Celebrity Antiques road Trip, which is very English BBC type program,
and they were down there last week. So I was down there getting
in the way, So I do, I get around a bit when it
comes to TV another my friends Graphy was on that or not? New story?
Do you know new Story? Yeah? I think I think he told
me he was on that road stripting was before. Well, I help out
at an antique local antiques unit, and the guy that owns it was a
bit shy, so he said, oh, you've done TV before, come
on, you can help. So pretty much all I do was hold sandwiches
and coffee all day. But you know, hey, cares you know,
yeah, or anything getting on the ex isn't it. Yeah, it's Unfortunately
your book's start coming out to him a bit because I was hoping you might
have some form waiting over the event for Awaitning, I'm going to be promoting
it. What Philip tends to do is he tends to work ahead. So
by August I'm hoping I'll have a few kind of test copies that I can
you know, used to promote it. Yeah. And the other thing about
Awaitning this year is I'm actually there as me. I'm not. I'm not
going there to do anything. I mean, I'm a guest of the people
putting the show. On, but I actually get to enjoy it this time.
You know, I'm not tired. I know, you mean, you're
not tied to a stall or you know, doing a talk or anything that
I can. I can actually you know, see some of the presentations this
year, because I didn't see any of them last year. It's a shame
it when when that happens, because you've got to look after your store because
people will been nicking stuff. Well yeah, well not this year. Not
accusing anyone or anything, but I might bring the crystal skull along with me
for one of the days because people have asked and kind of bring the skull,
So I'll bring that and but that can stay with me. You know,
I'm shoving a carrier bag and take it around with me if it comes
down to it, so it's in a flight casey. Yeah, just see
if it puts the energy into the to the event. You know, some
great talk because great speakers again this Yeah, I'm looking forward to this year.
It's going to be good. It's always good anyway. I think.
The only trouble with the Wakening, it's not really a big ears a bit
ears a problem, but you can't get to see all the speakers because of
the time leaps in three different venues. Yeah, you know, yeah,
and you've got to choose, carefully choose. If you've got the top ticket,
there's a lot of sweet because you can't really guys listen to unfortunately,
but you do get the Friday, which you only get with the top ticket.
So from Craig Charles is there this year on the Friday, So as
somebody else who's worked for ITV, we're going to be, no doubt having
a chat about television stuff. I would think, Yeah, I mean,
I'm not sort of to put you on the spot, but what's your opinion.
Did you see the Craig Charles on TV show. I've seen a few
of the UFO ones where they decide, you know, whether what they're looking
at is genuine or not. I wasn't sure about the format or the presentation
Brott it really Yeah, broadly speaking, I agreed with the outcomes, you
know, I think they were very realistic to the point of being blunting factors,
you know, saying whether it was genuine or not, whether they thought,
you know, it was a real thing or not. But it was
pleasing to hear that they occasionally said yes, This is a genuine mystery.
You know, they weren't just out to slag it all off and you know
it all down. They were. They were very m even handed, I
would say, very fair minded about it. But of course Craig's biggest claim
to fame is is Red Dwarf. So that's back that I never actually saw
any of those crips of the obviously, you see, I know he was
on that, but he's on all of them because they're stranded in space.
They can't really do anything else or put him on, you know. But
yeah, because that was actually a comedy thing, wasn't it still is?
It still is the early series, you know, sort of one to six,
I think we're extremely funny, um, and then the later ones you
could just you could kind of tell that things had changed, you know.
I think I think the guy did the hologram Holly either retired or died or
and some of the scriptwriting changed and that. But they're still pretty jolly good,
you know, they're still maybe maybe it was a bit in advance of
my mind or something. Maybe I should try and catch him next to Yeah,
because well if you're going to dip in, dip in somewhere from sort
of season one to six, have a look at one or two. And
I think I think I felt at the time when it came out that it
was a it was a subject that should be treated seriously and not sort of
basically, well, yeah, there's a very strong element of thunderbirds about it
as well. If you like spaceships and model work and all that, you
know, it's it's quite a bit like that. So it kind of appeals
to a certain generation. Yeah, that's a catch. Someone must a bit.
And I say, I'll be meeting Quai Chol, so maybe I can
even give on the show. You never know, but so we'll see.
Oh, you never know, but it will be interesting to me. You
must say. Okay, okay, we'll tell us a little bit more about
this European ross World Europe? Did they actually did they actually find any aliens
that you know about? No, No, the story. I'll tell you
the story, because that's really what people want to know. Basically, there
was a newspaper article came out in I remember, you've got a sale book,
so you don't want to give too much away. Oh no, I'm
not going to tell the whole story. I mean, I'm gonna I'm gonna
shrink it right down, you know. Newspaper article came out early nineteen eighty
three in the January, and it went to another investigator called Gary Row and
he was running the UFO group for North Wales at that time. Basically it
described a crash in the village of Clinillar and just outside albert Swyth. So
he contacted the farmer this chap called Erbal went down to have a look at
the site. Nowell said, well, you're wasted your time because they've been
down here cleaning it up. You know, they virtually cleared the place.
So Gary went down had a look anyway, you know, no debris,
no aliens, no spaceship, nothing like that. But he did notice that
it looked like something had hit the trees adjacent to the site. So he
went and had a route round in the woods and got about half a dozen
pieces of this strange metal material and foil out of the woods, which are
featured in the book. Because like I said, it's show and tell.
Those are very similar to this is where he gets rather intriguing when you say
roswell foil, it's only very recently. I think it's it's this year it's
only in the last few months that someone who has got a piece of this
strange foil material off the cross off the Roswell crash site. Well, this
crash was way back in nineteen eighty three and it's got the same kind of
materials on it. So there is now, but only very very recently now,
a direct connection between the two sites, which, as I said,
we we postulated, we guessed that back in excuse me, in two thousand
and eight. Well, yeah, so, and then the story kind of
picks up from there because Gary then has tried to get this stuff analyzed.
It came back as it's an alloy which is called duralumin, which we've got
now, but apparently we don't have as good of as the form that came
off this crash back in nineteen eighty three. So whether they back engineered it
or what it was, nobody knows. Maybe it's an alien exotic substance.
And then there's a couple of other bits of things on it. There's a
green coating on one side, there's like this rubber eyed texagonal stuff and resin
on the other side, and that side seems to be what was joined to
the foil. The guys, the guys that did analysis back then couldn't say
what these other materials were. They could get elements, but they couldn't say
what it was. It was an exotic material. So that was way way
back when we were doing the documentary we had that information. We're very seriously
thinking now of resurrecting the idea of getting hold of some samples and getting them
analyzed again. I believe very recently. Moved On in the States now have
a laboratory for analysis. I think move On in Australia have one as well.
Actually thinking about it. So we're thinking maybe go through official channels this
time and get it done properly. So it's like the book kind of gives
you the all the physical details, you know. I mean, you know,
it's a reasonable size book, less than one hundred pages, for it's
a reasonable size, So I can't tell you everything in the space of radio
interview. But once you've got the book, you've then got these fragments you
can actually look at them. So that kind of brings that whole idea.
Unless we get full disclosure, we're not going to see any of this material.
So at least that now adds another chapter to the whole UFO corpus of
stuff. And then there is a possibility then that very soon as a result
of interest now rising again in it as a as a thing that we'll get
the analysis system. Do you know what actually calls the crash or yeah,
it's a bit odd from from what we can gather from the available evidence.
Whatever this thing was, it was about twenty five foot wide. It was
designed for a specific purpose. So let's say it's pressure ized or it's contained
inside its own force field or whatever, and it's designed for, you know,
high speed, And what's happened is it's got into trouble, so it's
slowed right down and at a very slow speed. It's gone through the top
of these trees. So you can imagine the trees are battering the living daylights
out the bottom of whatever this thing is, smashing all the outer coating off
it, because that's not what this coating is designed to be. It's not
how it's used anyway. This coating then explodes across four fields, and these
fields are pretty big because you're talking about whales, so the big, cheap
farmy fields. But whatever it is that hits the trees then flies off,
so it just leaves all this broken debris. So you've got the same you've
got the sort of the Matt Brazil type scene where you know, outcomes the
farmer onto his land and it's covered as far as the eye can see all
this strange looking silver metal foil and a couple of bits of stuff that look
a little bit like beams and maybe an aerial but who knows. So anyway,
what the guy does is he phones the local police says, I think
I've had a plane crash of some kind, and they say, well,
don't talk to us, phone the local RF. So he phones the local
RF. Anyway, same day, La, it's the same day. You've
got MD crash Recovery team down there, and they just clear it. You
know, when he gets up the following morning, there's nothing, you know,
apart from the tear through the trees. Anyway, that's January. By
the time we get to the first week of February, the Forestry commissioner tearing
down the trees, so literally everything is gone. There's there's nothing, you
know, there was no point us when we did the documentary. There's no
point going really to the crash site. We filmed the fields, but all
you've got is you know, little tiny sheep dotted in a field covered in
snow. The journey to Roswell, we will see Yeah, a great huge
beach looking thing. You know, desert with a few bits sticking up doesn't
make good television. Basically, it's not a lot to see. Um yeah,
I thought that when I went to Roswell myself. We went to the
town of Roswell obviously, I mean, wife was saying about going to actually
going to Roswell with disciples. I said, I don't really think it's worth
it because you're not going to see anything. You're going to see a crash
pace ship, you think, because well, no, you see is a
load of desert. What you've been both say, there's a rap prior type
end what you've already been seeing everywhere else moaned about driving through Well. I
was in the same position when Gary contacted me and he said, oh,
we've got this, you know, crash I we'd like you to come and
have a look at it. As an archaeologist, so I had visions of
you know, flying sources stuck in the dirt with engines sticking out and little
green men hanging out and all this sort of the very least, you know,
something that hit the ground, so I could go and dig it up,
you know, that's what archaeologists do. And then he's like, Noah,
you won't you won't find anything that way. But then but then he
sort of threw in at the end as a kind of a matter of fact,
he went, but I got six pieces of it in a case in
my garage, and I'm like, oh, oh, now, now we
might be able to do something with that. So that's kind of how I
got got brought into it. And you know, I was doing Lost Treasures
back then for ITV and lots of other projects that I was producing. So
we went ahead and did Europe's crosswell you know at the documentary, So that's
kind of Campbell testing, you know, did you feel it? Well?
He did all that. I mean, he did all sorts of stuff.
He had a piece that was fairly sizeable that he could actually stamp on,
so he put it on the floor and stood on it. Of course,
it popped straight back and pretty well threw him off. He'd got a piece
he could flex and he could bend it so it was almost the ends of
it would almost touch and then it would just spring back. He couldn't saw
it. He had loads of trouble. You could bang it and chisel it,
and you couldn't. It wouldn't do anything. So the only way you
could get samples for testing off it was to get hold of it like eggshell
with a pair of players and very slowly work it to snap pieces off.
So that's why I said it was designed to take an attack. You know,
it's designed to withstand pressure. But if you approached it from a very
gentle point of view, it was actually quite fragile. So it pushed back.
It pushes the energy back, but not if you go in there very
very carefully, you could. You could snap little tiny bits off, but
very very strange stuff. I mean, if you had a layer of that,
then you had a layer of honeycombed foil, and then you had another
layer of that on top. You'd create a fuselage that weighed virtually nothing,
but it would probably repel meteorites, you know what I mean. You could
bounce a meteorite off it because it was that hard, you know, that
protective. But what on earth it came off? You know, we never
we never found out. Garry just went as far at the end of the
video. He went as far as saying, well, it's off unidentified flying
object. That was as far as he would go. He wouldn't theorize what
kind of vehicle had broken off. I think that's probably fair. That's you
know, yeah, that's what you can call it. Yeah, yeah,
I mean that the description does match the repulsive the original Russ wall, doesn't
it. Yes, it does, it does. It's quite star a lot
of credence, doesn't it. Yeah. Yeah. Well what we did,
what we did in the book, which we didn't have time to do in
the documentary, is Gary. Gary was very clever because the mod turned up
at his front door. You know, he got you know, black Jague
land rovers with no plates and guys in dark suits with dark glasses, with
strange looking passes. They turned up at his front door and he said can
we have They said, can we have our material back? What Gary had
actually done was he'd broken loads of samples off, put them in key rings
and handed them out to certain people. So he was like, no,
you can't have your stuff back, and if you carry on pestrough me,
I'll you know, get this release to the press kind of then. So
they were like, okay, fair cop can't do anything, you know,
they just left. But that when he was giving those little fragments away,
when he all selling some of the fragments, which he did at events,
he gave a piece of paper away with it, this certificate, And in
the write up he ran comparisons directly. He ran Roswell down one side,
and he ran this crash down the other, and he got to about two
pages of a four of similarities to the point where it looks very much like
the same crash. That's where we got the name Europe's crosswell from from this
comparison. And what we're what I've decided to do was to actually reproduce Garry's
own set of notes as part of the book, so people now can just
go through and go, oh oh yeah, you know this this is really
similar. You know, it's frightening out. I mean, the cleanup operation,
the way there was only one news paper article was then later covered up,
the way they killed the story flat. There's only one witness and that's
the farmer. You know. Again, it's like Matt Brazil, you know,
the fragments, the damage, that every everything, everything about it just
reads like the same gameplay. You know. It's the same thing being run
again. Yeah, apart from them saying oh a UFOs crashed in real withdrawing
it the next day, it's the same. He says that the real million
black tone that was well yeah, well, like I say, this newspaper
article came out in the Sunday Express, and we chased that all the way
back to the guy who wrote it, Andrew Chapman. So he then went
off Sunday Express, went off to his notebooks in archive, traced it all
the way back to nineteen eighty three. He got the entry from the January
and he said, he said, I've got no details. I've got no
idea where this came from. And he said, and I don't have any
idea why nobody else ran with the story. So like you've only got that
one newspaper at Roswell that's putting the story out and then withdraws it. Well
again, you've only got the Sun the Express that puts this story out and
then it vanishes. Yeah, you know, it's it's the same same gameplay,
same thing. It's interesting stuff. So the actual real witnesses to it,
I guess. So nobody saw or heard the crash. So whatever it
was that was going in there must have done it really silently because you know,
this was sort of in the night, because Irwell found the debris the
following morning when he went out to sort of sheep out. It's quite remote,
I have to say, cleinilas not particularly well inhabited the area around it,
and when we went in two thousand and eight was twenty five years later.
Of course, you know, people had moved away. He knew people
had come into the village. Basically nobody heard or saw anything other than really
other than the farmer himself, and that he didn't really have anything to add
to the story he gave to Gary. So we thought, well, it's
it's probably not even worth putting him on camera, you know, because he
was very credible, very very credible. Indeed, I believe I believe from
Gary he's still alive. He's quite an old guy now, quite an old
chap, but yeah, he's He's never been a primary interviewee. Nobody's really
zoomed in on him because, as I said, there's nothing to see.
The forest has gone, the debris he's gone. You know, it's forty
years since anything scattered across his fields, and he doesn't particularly he's not like
looking for stardom and doesn't want the location featured. He doesn't want the kind
of thing. Yeah, yeah, he's quite retiring. So and Gary's the
same if if truth been known, Gary just wants to plow on with his
life as an investigator and into the paranormal and UFOs and stuff. And he
admits himself he's not he's not an author, he's not a bookwriter, you
know, he just he's a communicator. Yeah, he's very suspicion that it
might have been a central els And I'll say, yeah, I mean Lord
Aprile's well government project or something. I think I'd probably safe in saying that
the people who did the original analysis were too well, they were too British
airspace standards. So if there was something out there that was similar, I
think they probably would have said that there was a similarity. If it was
secret technology by China, Russia, America, Britain, whatever, then at
that point nineteen eighty three, it would have been extraordinary. It would have
been extraordinarily secret. Whether it's extraterrestrial is that's open to debate, you know,
and increasingly the definition of extraterrestrial is changing. You know, did they
come from Venus or are they time travelers or are they us from another dimension?
You know, it's so much information now that's not getting us any close
to what this thing was, you know. I mean there's a little bit
of similarity to the rendition case there, in effect to did some tree damage
and over forest and on the the fact that this thing lands was supposedly landed
in the forest. Well there was I mean, there were rendelshoms, an
unusual one because you had military, you had the US military, and they
come face to face with an actual craft, functioning craft in a wooded area
that's producing light and apparently in an electrical field. But then since then there's
been a lot of argument over that. Was it the light from a lighthouse?
You know? Was it folks that were mistaken? Was you know,
is it inaccurate that? I mean, personally, I'd go with the original
recordings from the American military. I think they definitely came face to face with
something, There's no doubt about that. But like you say, all that
was left behind afterwards, his broken tree branches and a couple of burns on
the ground. Whereas this thing has been rumbling on for forty years and we've
still got pieces of it, and Roswell has been rumbling on for eighty six
years. We've got bits of that as well. We've got people still finding
foil. I think it was National Geographic went out there and did some archaeology,
got lots of beads of melted metal off the desert. So the parallel
is stronger for Clonilla than it is for Rendelsham. Yeah, well you probably
don't know this, but Colonel Holt is a good friend and wife. Hey,
he's actually staying in my home and everything. So well, you probably
don't know this, but I know Larry Warren because yeah, talks to a
couple of groups that I've I've had in the past. So yeah, he
only lives at about sixteen miles down the road. Who say hello to Larry?
Telling Dave Youngster he will do. Yeah, Well, Larry's kind of
over here in the summer, but I think he goes over to the States
for his house over there for about six months. So next time he's back
over, yeah, I'll say hi. Yeah, we know I know a
lot about Larry Warren. Yeah, I do as well, talk about that
off air. I mean I've been quite public. You're talking about him anyway,
because we did a big investigation into him over over three years. So
I know a lot about Larry Warren. Yeah, he's still a nice blow
that he's a lovely fellow. But yeah, you do, yea until he
starts giving you death threats like he was with. Yeah, it's the Hell's
Angel in him, it's the biker in him. Yeah. He had a
visit from the real Hell's Angels, didn't he. Yeah, and don't forget
he lives in Liverpool. I mean, anybody who's up north knows that.
You know, if you live in Liverpool, you're pretty hard, you don't.
You don't pick a fight with the Yeah, he had a visit for
the Hill's Angels telling him not to not to actually not to tell him that
he was a Hell's Angel because he's not. Yeah, no, he doesn't.
Well, he doesn't have the colors, he doesn't have the badges or
anything. So be sure your sins will find you out. That's the moral,
isn't it. Be sure your sins will find you out. We'll leave
Larry alone now, Yeah, okay, we're talking about Larry Warren. We're
not going to go Because he claimed he was in a music business and everything
like that. Yeah, and he knew John Lennon will wreck crep. You
do a lot of music yourself, understand I do. Indeed, that's really
I suppose that's where my background is. For anybody that knows me, I
was pretty much born to be a drummer. I was, you know,
hitting a tin drummers an eighteen month old baby, and then I moved on
to a drum kit when I was three. And it's always been in me
to do it. So when let's get political, when when Thatcher cut all
of the places at universities back in the nineteen eighty I was leaving Art College
that year and there was nowhere really for me to go. They basically said,
well, you know, you have to wait two or three years to
go off to college, and me being you know, hey, I'm eighteen.
I'm not hanging around for three years, you know what I mean?
And I was working as a session drummer in a few of the studios up
here, and one of them within a few months, within twelve months of
kind of that career ender, one of the bands was offered a record deal.
So that was it. I was off. From that point on.
The band eventually became one known as the Tempest. They had three number one
singles what have you. But the record company they signed with went bust,
which was a shame, but it taught me a lot about the music business.
I did a lot of the contractual side, the background side of it,
which I thought was hilarious because I got it. I've got to tell
you, I got into agenting and I got into managing bands. You want
to see the look on people's faces when somebody walks up to like the guitarists
or the singer or evan, They go, can we speak to the band's
manager? And they all point at the drummery, you know. So I
used to love that. That was hilarious. So I was they quote uote
if he was, yeah, the leader of that, Yeah, exactly precisely.
So yeah. So I was very much in the same mold as that
for years. So I did loads. I must have done sessions for about
maybe fifty bands over twenty one years, so met loads of people, had
three or four record deals toured. You know, we'll be here all night
if we talk about famous people are you know, bumped into and fell over
and all that. I that to me, that was a that was my
life lifting music in my life, man, you know that's what it was.
But then because of all the hammer that drummers take, and he will
tell you this, how the drummers are cursed. You either get was it
let's trying to remember this piles and continence, or a bad back. Fortunately
I got a bad back. That was lucky I got. I drew the
best of the three. But it put me out of the business. I
went out of the business in the nineteen nineties because me back eventually collapse.
Because I mean, I've got to say, when you were when you see
something good drummers in the store, they're sitting on a with the drum.
Yeah, they look like if you've got you're there for a couple of hours
doing that stuff. Yeah, day in day must be hard on your back.
Well back in the day, so you're back in like the kind of
started in the late sixties. So in the seventies and eighties the nineties,
the drum technology was was backwards and people were saying, we need to get
you know, proper backs on these seats, and we need to get them
so that they support better. Well, I went out and actually bought a
dentist chair nineteen fifties dentist chair after me spine collapsed. I mean, it's
too late, but it's kept me playing. I've been able to continue playing.
I was playing right up to earlier this year, I did a sessions
for a band called Copperworm because they were putting out an album on one of
these crowdfunding sites and there's no point me holding it up to the camera,
which radio Hey, so yeah, so yeah, well I can show you
because they are there. You go, we'll put this video version out anyway.
Okay, well there's there's actual evidence. Yeah, I've seen that.
Yeah, you might have done. It came up on my Facebook and a
few other things. Yeah, well it's it's out anyway. It's out on
band camp and et cetera. And it's good. It's eleven really good tracks
on there because we did it live. I mean, you know, uniting
about studio recording, everybody sort of builds the tracks up, you know,
and everything's done and quantized and it's all machine So we took all of that
away, and it's recorded the same way that they did albums in the nineteen
sixties. So it's like three blokes in a room and it's one two,
three go, and you know, so there are still one or two bands
out writing as a as a recording as well. We didn't do that.
We actually wrote the whole album. There were fifteen tracks in the original pre
written sort oh we yeah, we predid it. But then the whole thing
was recorded over three days live, you know, and then I produced it
afterwards. It took quite a long time. Took quite a few months to
produce it because obviously get lots of no ease and spillage and there's all kinds
of cleanup and stuff you need to do. And it came out at the
beginning of this year. So it's called Pilot, and it's by a band
called copper Worm. So but I'm not with the band now because I just
got overwhelmed with work over the summer. So they're off doing a few free
festivals and sorting out what they're going to do later in the year. The
band i'm working with now's Wolf, which is an interesting story because we got
back together again. We were the high school band. We got together in
nineteen seventy four. We did the first gig in nineteen seventy nine, and
the last gig we did was about about four months ago because we all hit
sixty at the same time. We said, oh well we'll do Wolf at
two hundred and forty, you know, the combined age of the band.
So we phoned up all we've got all our old fans, we've got we
rears the old set that we were doing. We had a hell of a
night in a brewery Facebook as well. Yeah. Yeah, there was a
lot of photographs of footage and stuff went up of that. So there's there's
not many bands that are still play, you know, Rolling Stones and yeah,
the same line up, the same four of us, incest. I'll
take my hat too if I was worried anyway, I'll do like a bit
of rock. Give us a shack. A few names out who you met
over the years. Oh gosh, I hate doing this. Uh well,
I went for an audition in the Lake. It was it would be either
late seventies or nineteen eighties, something like that. I went down for this.
There was some guy in London, Canadian bloke that was looking to audition
for a band, and he had a colored bass player. I can't remember
where it was. I went to that and we played a few tracks and
he recorded well what he said was. He was a bit cheeky because he
said to all the drummers, he said, I'll record you all, play
the recordings back and picked the best guy for the job. I didn't get
the job, but my drum line ended up on run to You because it
was Brian Adams. So so the funny thing is if you listened to Run
to You, it starts off with clicking. You know, he's playing the
guitar and it's going click, click, click click. That's because I didn't
know the song on my recording. So but when he came to do the
song, he left the clicks. He put the clicks in, so I
was like, oh, okay, that's most definitely my recording. You know,
so obviously replaced me. So you get money? No, no,
because I was only doing an audition. Who also have the audition for Little
Angels were quite a big band White Snake. But that's a long time ago,
back to the well it was it was eighties when things eighty one or
something when that came up. I wrote for the job with bon Jovie,
but I didn't get it. That's kind of understandable, isn't it. I've
met I met Aussie, I've met I'm just trying to go through the list.
Simply read slash out of guns and roses. I met him all of
I met all of the Rolling Stones except Mick Jagger because their support band was
Dan Reid Network when they came to Manchester, and I was part of the
Dan Read Network entourage. So we all we all finished up in the Middleland
hotel afterwards, and the Stones are all sat around, you know, all
doing their own things. They're all very different. He's probably in the Ronnie
Wood days, is it the Yeah, it was because bron Jones was an
original that supposed no, no, this is after Jones. It's nineteen nineties.
It would have been early nineties. But yeah, still with them always
like I think it was Bill Wyman. Yeah, but but Mick wouldn't come
out of his dressing room, so out of his hotel room. So I
met all the others but not him. So and of course I met the
Dan Reid Networkers, another band that people might remember from the nineteen nineties.
And but I could just go on and on. It's a huge list.
Who else have I met? Stevie Vy and Little Stevie Vy, Thomas mccrocklin
who he was training up at the time him and just yeah, it goes
on all of the band Gravy Trainer at them back in the seventies and anyway,
you're still doing it. And so with this wolf doing any recordings of
um, we've got probably six original songs, which it doesn't sound like a
lot, but a couple of them are anthems, so they're like, you
know, twenty odd minutes long. So yeah, I'm trying to think whether
we We've we put a live version of them out on a site called what
was it called? Anyway, he's no point because it doesn't exist anymore.
The site disappeared in the material goes with it. So we are thinking about
doing it properly and putting it out again. You know, it's about time
we did. We've waited about forty five years, the whole albums first,
what it is. Yeah, yeah, we could do the We can do
the tracks we've got and as we are still writing, you know, we're
still producing them. I'm hanging out quite a lot with a keyboard player at
the moment who does pen Dragon Arena and occasionally Marillion, so he's fairly well
known. I'm trying to think of else. I know all the lads from
the Quest as well, and quite friendly with the drummer. He keeps doing.
We did a Sacred Wind, which like Viking rock but comedy. We
did that for charity before Lockdown. We did a thing then in the twenty
eighteen twenty nineteen. So I'm just I'm constantly doing stuff. I know all
the lads in hay Seed Dixie. If anybody wants to go out and check
out hay Seed Dixie. They're brilliant hillbilly cover versions of popular songs, popular
rock songs. So you imagine, you know, like backing Black played on
Banjo's you know, and all that kind of stuff. It's they're fabulous.
They're well worth checking out. Just I'm working all the time constantly. I'm
working with folks, you know, more recently doing some DVDs for them.
I've done you know, video production for a few. So yeah, I
just constantly. So you have the band members, do they sort of talk
about UFOs or anything like that? Means you do you know anything paranormald these
sort of interests as well. Yeah, what sends to happen is all all
the musicians I know obviously their passions, music bought and this is most important.
Anybody who's a producer that produces anything knows that you need music. You
know, you need scene tunes, you need background music, you know,
atmosphere. You know, there's so much of what we see in media relies
on music that then of course over spills into their interests. I mean,
I sold a drum kit to Jimmy Page back in the nineteen eighties. His
main interest is Alister Crowley. So there's a great, great example of the
line crops up quite a lot in the rock business. Yeah he does.
Yeah, he gets around a bit. Crowley' is an odd one of don't
get me started on Crowley flipping out. Half of what he wrote is brilliant
and the other half's complete nonsense. And you've show Alister, well, you've
got I think like Crowley to know Crowley and I'll leave it there, I'll
park it there. That's probably on safe ground. So yeah, there's there's
a huge overlap. But with the lads that I'm with at the moment,
the bass players basically a biker and he's a blues guy. The lead the
lead chap he's retired now and he was he did a lot of work over
in China, and stuff that he had bands over in China when he lived
over there, so he's got a completely different kind of background to that,
but very kind of seventies you know, super rocker, very much like Paige,
very much in that kind of thing. The lead singer hadn't sung for
about forty years and we pulled him out of retirement for the reunion, so
he's just kind of dragging himself back. But he likes kind of you know,
the Midwest American sound and all that, so not, I don't know,
we're all so different, you know, we're diverse. It's what keeps
us going. I think, you know, the variety. So I'm the
real you know, I'm all all about ancient aliens and stuff like that.
And they sort of have a laugh occasionally at my expense. But you know,
if you ever try to right, you know, sort of inert into
songs or whatever, Yeah, that's obviously a lots some bends do well.
Like I say, it's almost the other way around. What usually happens is
somebody comes up with a really good tune and they go off and record it
and then it ends up in a documentary. So for example, because it
was reality films from the States that did the UFO documentary in two thousand and
eight. Their bands appear on the documentary, which I think at that time
was a band called freak House. I'm trying to remember who the different groups,
so let me do some name dropping. I've got the credit see in
the back of the books. I'll tell you exactly who did the soundtrack.
Let me just have a soul Path, which is a UK band. I
was doing a session drumming with them. That was a great gig. Actually,
we did one of the very first, very early internet radio broadcasts live
and we literally played a live gig right across the world, you know,
via the Internet, from the back of the King Arthur Pubbing Glastonbury. So
you talk about you talk about crossover, you know, I mean, and
they then go on they go on then to supply soundtrack for you know,
for the the Europe's Roswell. Yeah, it was it was Soule Path and
Freakhouse that did the soundtrack for Europe's Roswell. So that there's a huge overlap,
you know, in in uh in that sort of thing. You know,
it's media, it's it's media in general. I kind of have a
reputation for picking you know, kick ass soundtracks. That's that's my thing.
If I have a documentary, the soundtrack's got to be really good. When
we did Lost Treasures, I met, I met all of Night Wish.
They did the theme tune for Lost Treasures for a TV It's a thing called
ghost Love Score, and that was interesting time back in two thousand and five,
four oh, four oh five, and I was chatting to them and
I said, do you think you could supply the album with no no singing
on it so we can use it in the background. They're like, yeah,
I think we could do that. So this enters this this disc that
they'd obviously burnt themselves, you know, of the album once but with all
the vocals took off next minute. About two years later, they've released it
as an album with no vocals on. So they obviously thought it was good
enough, and they've done that with a few albums since, you know,
but that came from us. That was something we asked them to do.
It's an enormous, absolutely immense, you know, overlap, and they were
really pleased. And that was how can I put it? It was an
archaeologically investigative show that wasn't afraid to drift into the supernatural, you know,
and other issues. It became a really sort of heady mix of stuff like
that. We dealt with life after death, then with ghosts, folklore,
you know, all kinds of issues we dealt with in that Witchcraft, all
sorts of stuff in that show. And I can give it a plug.
I've just had a deal with a company called Drake Michigan. They have space
on a server to put stuff out, and so what I've done is all
the back catalog is going onto the internet now, so you can actually,
for the first time in eighteen years, you can go and watch Lost Treasures.
Season one's out there with extras, Season two's out there with extras,
and season three's about to be released in a few weeks time. So it's
back out there now you can go and watch it. I'm gonna going to
have a little direction here with music. Do you know about Mark Devlin?
He writes about Satanism being used in music and PI, yes, you know.
I mean, what are you? What's your opinions on there? Okay,
if you've got any, well, I've got loads. Actually, it's
an enormous rabbit hole. I've just hesitated trying to find a starting point.
Suffice to say, in the nineteen nineties, I trained as a vicar,
so I've done me three years at Bible College, got all the qualifications and
all of that, and that point, you know, there was this why
should the devil have all the good music kind of attitude going around, and
people began to investigate, and I would say repportionately, there's about as much
occult content in the music business as you would find in any other media based
business, you know. So let's let's hypothetical or anywhere else for that any
you know, society, you know. I mean, let's say once upon
a time, ten percent of people Christians, well probably ten percent were into
the occult Satanism. And you've got to be very careful because it is it
is a snake that eats its own tail. So it's like you've got all
these Luciferians and Satanists and chaos magicians go, yeah, you know, devil,
this devil, Satan, the other lucifer fallen angel And as soon as
you start to push into that, the six hundred and eighty references that they're
basing their religion on come out of the Bible. So you're like m Okay,
that is the serpent eating its tail. You know, it's what you
do with it, It's what you do with that information. Yeah, basically
the answers. Yes, there's there is a lot of material out there like
that. They had backward masking, you know, reverse messages in yea.
There seems to be quite final apparently. And symbolism. It's symbolism now and
visuals and lyrics because the media has moved on. You can't get hold of
a plastic record now, dump it on a turntable and wind it backwards with
the needle. You know, that's old tech. It's very old tech.
It's quite hard to run a digital recording backwards. Actually, so some of
those backwards I mean, the one that tickle will be up was you know
when Queen put out another one, bites the Dust and don't ask me who
did it. Some numpty you know ran that backwards and apparently backwards it says
it's fun to smoke marijuana. That's another one, bites the Dust going backwards.
Apparently. Well that one tickled me up no end, because this is
getting silly now, you know what I mean. They're really stretching it.
I know, there's quite a few dark messages they written, especially like Madonna
records. Apparently they justify my love apparently comes out as something I love the
devil or something or this loads. Yeah, this absolutely loads like that.
I mean. Some of the best ones are a lot of people are probably
not aware of. Is if you go on Kate Bush's album The Dreaming and
I can't remember which tracks, I don't ask me. There's a track on
their where there's a witch covern in full swing doing the backing track on one
of the tracks, but it's run backwards, so if you want to know
what they're actually chanting, you have to reverse the record. And there's a
one there's a let me try and remember what this is? Who did h
Moody Blues. There's a Moody Blues album and it's I think it's called Done
with Mirrors, and the clue is in the title, so yeah, done
with Mirrors. And you'll find there's messages in the background of that, you
know. And then I mean the classic ones, don't Fear the Reaper.
You know, people are always blaming people for committing suicide for listening to that,
you know, So there are messages and you can get conditioned, you
know, you imagine all the dance floor, you know, back in the
nineteen whatever it was singing We're on yeah, yeah, yeah, Okay.
I mean definitely seems to think that a lot of the big names are actually
chosen by the apes if you like to be the next big thing. I
don't know how far that's true, to be honest, but he's saying,
especially in now the hip hop culture. Well, having worked in the industry,
I can categorically say that the guys who are on stage, who are
you know, making the music, they are not the ones in control.
Historically it's always been you know, the gray suits back at the office who
are doing most of the leg work, the donkey work for the band,
sort of an awful lot of on behind the scenes. And again, like
anything else, it depends when you get involved with you know who, you
sign your life away too. I the deals I had were either extremely good
or I didn't sign them, and I always tried to find out ultimately you
know who was behind it all. But since the sixties, seventies and eighties,
going into the nineties, the music business has centralized. All media has
Television has centralized, the internet has centralized, as certain big boys, big
boy companies that have pulled everything together, and you really, ultimately you have
to find out who's behind it all before you commit yourself, you know,
to doing anything. Yeah. Yeah, So I'm not so sure anybody's sold
a soul to the devil. I wouldn't go that far. I mean,
I was actually quite shocked. But with Mark Devding's books, I mean,
anyone interested in this type of thing recommend marked Everything's the Musical Truth will think
is called. And he's done three volumes. He's done three volumes of it
now I'm still on volume one, and some of it is quite shocking,
even the things like the Beatles and suggesting that Paul McCartney may have died back
in the nineteen sixty I can't believe that myself. It just seems so ridiculous.
But knowing what we know about how the world's running nowadays, is it
so ridiculous? You know? It's um I mean to put it on the
record. I know there have been occasions where they've used body doubles, but
I'm not sure that those body doubles would go so far as to appear on
stage to impersonate who they were. The other side of it as well,
is what about tribute bands? Because when I started off, there was no
such thing as a tribute band, and now there are a lot of people
out there who are literally copying and mimicking famous people, and they're doing it
extremely well. So impersonnel, everybody ever pick any band you like. You
know, there's a Sabbath tribute as a quote tribute, and I made and
tribute. So if I was at a band, Let's say I was in
somebody really big and famous, you know, a White Snake or whatever,
and all of a sudden something happened to our bass player and he wasn't enormously
well known, Well, you could swap him for somebody out of a tribute
band for a couple of gigs and most people wouldn't even notice. I wouldn't
even realize it had happened. So somebody came to me and they said,
yeah, they've been using you know, Joe Bloggs as a session player from
you know, White Snail. Then I'd be like, yeah, okay,
fair, fair us. You know the show, the show must go on.
You know, yeah, I did do that. I think even the
peoples did that back in the sixties, didn't they. When I think one
of them went sick, or that was John or George. I think it
what I've been when they brought in another player, obviously, but they were
so famous everyone everyone would have known that anyway. But I yes, you
know, if all the Beatles are unique, really, I mean, you
can't. You can't swap out a Beatle and not have somebody noticed, so
they say. But when they say if it's true about Paul McCartney, we
don't know, don't. I can't believe it. I mean, they've got
they've got to find someone whose sounds like him, plays the guitar left hand,
he plays bass. Yeah, yeah, it's it's to me. He
knows all the material and wings songs the same where as Paul McCartney does.
Yeah, it's I mean, if they did that, it would be particularly
daring because all the back catalogs come out, hasn't it. They've had all
the Beatles, the release of the lost material, you know, and stuff
going all the way back to the early demos. So you're not telling me
somebody wouldn't spot at some point, you know, something had changed and all
that. And McCartney as well, he is legally as the author of quite
a lot of that material. It would have to be from a law point
of view, McCartney, it would have to be him, you know,
to control that. I don't think the men in Gray. I don't think
the Gray suits, the lawyers and all the rest of it. I don't
think they would tolerate a replacement because they're really they're really uptight about things like
that. You know, So you sell a lot of his material to Michael
Jackson. Jackson owns l I think, yeah, yeah, Jackson actually cut
the Paul McCartney and the beect, didn't he when he brought up all the
pump all the Beatles stuff because Cartney was on. I think they sort of
fell out as well because the bust up. Yeah, they made the records
together, didn't And then I think Paul McCartney went on to Jackson that he
was going to be getting old of all the Beatle's material, and Jackson stepped
him in the Beckham bought it all before he did. And yes, jumped
the gun, Yeah, jumped the gun. But that's another question. It's
Michael Jackson really dead? Yeah, Well, don't ask why opinion that one.
I was never gone all night. Well, I've heard all the stories
about it'll be still being a lie. But so I've never I've never believed
he was. You know, well, like I said in Many in Black,
he's gone home. Yeah, he's just gone home. But oh things.
I met a few of Elvis's close friends that see back in the early
eighties when they came over right, and they told me what they told a
few people that were Yeah, when I met Joey Spositos his beniture actually yeah,
he was actually Grayson when they'll be started. So yeah, yeah,
I was gonna say I've seen him, but he was interviewed in the documentary
fairly recently, and there's no doubt they did a forensic thing anyway, they've
done a forensic thing for him. They did a forensic thing for Michael Jackson
on one and two others and very convincing show. Indeed, you know they're
death as far as Anderson, they're gone. You know, they're definitely gone.
Well did you see the new Elvis movie? That's all I've seen bits
of it. What a movie. I've got to say. He did a
cracking job, absolutely phenomenal job. The other one that, the other one
that really impressed me was was the Queen movie. Yeah, things out I
mean, really, you should have got asked us for that as far as
long. Yeah, yeah, it's funny because a lot of these music films
don't seem to win, you know, they just don't. Was it?
What was it? Lady Gargard did the one, Oh she's a still one
about a female singer. Oh yeah, it was a remake, you know,
the one I mean a star It was still something else. It might
have been something like that. Yeah, I think it was a story.
Yeah, I think it might be. Yeah, because this is her and
there's the guy you used to be, Chris Christofferson and somebody else and yeah,
I remember the original film. But yeah, she did a fantastic job
of that. You know, she's she's really weird and she's really crazy.
But I have to say I've got a lot of respect for Lady Gaga because
she's really intelligent. When you actually start anything. We were talking about sat
phenomenal and if you read the if you read the Mark Depine book, apparently
Lady Gargles for me into Satanism. But yeah, I didn't. Well,
when you say that that that's my definition should just be weird. She's she's
into so many things. She's very hard to pigeonhole. Yeah yeah, but
she's she's a good example of you know, she crawled up from nothing to
become who she is now. So you're bound to have a few strange ideas
if you've had a bumpy road, you know. Yeah, well she has
a music business, you know, it choosed people and spits them out.
Yeah. Yeah, Well we recently lost Tony Bennett, who did a song
with Lady Garghole, didn't he as well? Yeah, that's off to Lady
Gaga. She's done some phenomenal you know things over the years. Has anyway
we sort of just off the normal scene. But I don't know, Lady
Gaga brings you all the way back because if you watched American Horror Story,
she's in the series Hotel. There's the Murder Hotel, and she actually plays
a vampire who lives off blood and she lives forever and they have you know,
Jeffrey Darma and lots of other murderers apparently stopped at this hotel. It's
based on a real hotel and she's in it. American Horror Story. So
she has a phenomenal interest in the supernatural. So I think is they're still
running because I actually I think I saw the first two seasons of it.
Yeah, I think that they did season one to nine, which I think
was was pretty good. I've seen I don't know, maybe six seasons or
seven seasons of them, and then somebody said, oh, they've come back
and started making them again. Apparently the new ones, the new ones are
not a patch on the on the original ones. You know, the first
couple of seasons were quite good. But I think that American Horror Story they
kind of tracked them out little bit. I think that's the problem with some
of these things. Yeah, you know, yeah, if they were to
make them over six episodes rather than maybe ten, it's yeah, it might
be better, you know. But there's a there's freak Show. There's one
about the Witches, there's one about hotels, one about apocalypse. Yeah,
freak Show's brilliant, absolutely genius piece of work. And again, none of
them, none of them would any awards, you know, should have had
oh amazing. But yeah, it does bring us quite neatly back to the
supernatural because that's the kind of subject matter that that Garga was covering in Hotel.
M hmm. So women show a game we're going to be talking about
next time? Do you think, Oh, I don't know, I don't
know. I am very tempted. Did we cover King Arthur? Have we
been thinking you've got them, I've got the book. You're going to get
you to scribbling even or see you in Manchester in a few weeks. Yeah,
well I was going to say, now you actually got the now you've
got it. Yeah, he's creeping up. Where are we now? Hey,
it's August, the end of this week, so it's only about four
weeks off actually August when this show goes out, So don't tell anyone.
Okay, Hey, guess what, everybody, this thing was pre recorded.
Don't worry about it. Yeah, it's only a couple of weeks when this
show goes out. It's only a couple of weeks away. So oh yeah,
yeah, that'd be fantastic looking forward to that. Maybe we should tackle
because because of the nature of Awakening, maybe I have a look at crystal
schools and human heads as a topic. That's the idea of the stretched heads
and the alien schools, and you know, the parakhas the NASCAR, you
know, all that sort of thing, and I'll float off into that territory
and see what we'll do. We'll do it. Oh yeah, i'd be
glad. I'll be glad to return. Yeah, just email me and we'll
get the dates in the diary. Absolutely fantasy talking to again more and thank
you so much for coming on. It's a pleasure now. So we'll be
seeing you at me just in It's Manchester Awakening. I mean, I don't
know any many other people out there have got tickets for it, or if
you could still get tickets. I think you're almost sold out now, aren't
they probably, But you're so but you never know. You'll be there as
just basically like me, really just going there to enjoy and do well.
Yeah, I'm going as me, but I'll be going as the bloke off
Ancient Aliens and Lost Treasures, because that's basically who and what I am.
So while i've got this beard, I'm more like, you know, I'm
not Lost Treasures, I'm Ancient Aliens. When I've got this beard, by
the time we reached the show, I'm going to have it platted or something,
you know, the brushed over my head instead of hair or something.
You know, it's it's getting really if only this wasn't just radio, you
know. Yeah, well we can. We can put this video bush but
I mean for people just listening to the audio. Yeah, Mark's got quite
a nice big bushy farther Christmas Beard though if you call, well, yeah,
it's farther Christmas, all right, I don't doubt about that. Yeah,
they don't take us too far off the off the subject. It's not
Satan clause Christmas. Well it was. It was like the occultists who sold
his soul to Santa. The dyslexic occultist sold his soul to Santa. Oh
dear, he was still on the subject. But I'll probably play you a
trinkle or two. We might have been a dinner together or something. Would
be definitely gonna have a catchup, gonna have a catchup, more to it
than I might have remembered. How many famous people are fell over as well?
On an interest on an interesting story, I was. I was in
a rushing Manchester. He never told anybody this. It just just came to
be there because we made me heads like that. It's like a tub of
broken biscuits occasionally to come together. I'm running down this road in Manchester,
I think it was Oxford Street and it had the BBC building on it and
I'm not really paying attention and the door on this taxi opens, and anybody
from our generation will remember a presenter called Russell Hearty. He was very famous.
He presented loads of the BBC pro Anyway, I hit him at one
hundred miles an hours out of this taxi. So I've got the probably the
elder reputation with the only bloke to bulldozz like Russell Hearty in the middle of
the street. You know times I think, didn't he he did in the
interviews. Yeah, but I fell over Russell Hearty. I'm going to get
on a T shirt one day. It's all coming back to me now.
Remember a BBC brilliant Yeah yeah, anyway, Mark, I'll let you go
there. Thank you very much for coming on, and it's been great talking
to you, and absolutely so quickly again, but we should do that Crystal
Skull show late in the year next one brilliant, Yeah, fantastic, brilliant.
All right, thank you, thank you, Mark, and all right,
look that to you and I'll see you in a couple of weeks.
If you take care of yourself. Cheers boy, take care and there we
all. That was Mark Bully. I think one thing I've learned over the
years is don't too much for granted. Things are not always as they seen.
Okay, my next show we'll be going out on August twenty second,
and it's a mister Raymond McCarthy. Now ray or Raymond is actually a tour
guide for Colchester here in Essex, and he actually does ghost tours and he
also knows an awful lot about the ghosts in Colchester Castle. So that should
be very interesting. In the meantime, if you'd like to get in touch
with me at anytime, my email addresses David Young took you in at yahoo
dot co dot uk. That's David Young took you in at Yahoo dot co
dot uk. So we should look forward to the next show with Raymond McCarthy,
and that's on August to twenty first, Monday, August twenty first,
So until then, take care of everyone. I'll speak to you then bye
bye. I took it for granted, your tuget for granted. In science,
nothing has tickn for granted. But what are we going to do?
My dear? Is your complete during this time? Parable dimensions is as bright
and powerful as our celestial star that's up and although it's expending thousands of pounds
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