1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:06,400 Paranormal Dimensions is fortnightly on Mondays on the Paranormal UK Radio Network. Look, 2 00:00:07,639 --> 00:00:12,080 the two of you are beginning a strange journey, a journey that no earth 3 00:00:12,119 --> 00:00:16,000 people have ever undertaken before. Now, whether you consider me a devil or 4 00:00:16,000 --> 00:00:20,320 a saint is unimportant. What is important is that you're here on this spaceship 5 00:01:11,640 --> 00:01:15,560 good detio. This is sir Patrick Moore and you're listening to the Paranormal You 6 00:01:15,640 --> 00:01:21,799 okay radio network? Do you? OKA is biggest paranormal radio network and this 7 00:01:21,959 --> 00:01:34,000 is Paranormal Dimensions with David. You know I expected you to be older. 8 00:01:34,560 --> 00:01:40,400 You are the radio man. Really, Hello, welcome to the show. 9 00:01:40,640 --> 00:01:45,079 I'm David Jung. On this occasion I have another returning guest who was on 10 00:01:45,200 --> 00:01:48,920 just a few months back, and what an interesting show that was. It's 11 00:01:48,959 --> 00:01:53,760 mister Mark Golly. Now, last time we spoke about King Arthur and Merlin. 12 00:01:53,159 --> 00:01:57,280 On this occasion we're going to be talking about aliens and UFOs, so 13 00:01:57,439 --> 00:02:01,079 quote a vast difference in subject there. I take great pleasure in welcoming Mark 14 00:02:01,280 --> 00:02:05,319 you beat to the show. Hello, Mark, welcome to the show. 15 00:02:05,840 --> 00:02:08,840 Hi nice to be here again. Yeah, I think you're the I think 16 00:02:08,840 --> 00:02:14,000 you're the first guest has come back so soon after the previous one. Must 17 00:02:14,080 --> 00:02:15,759 be because I talked too much. I got far too nice to talk about 18 00:02:15,840 --> 00:02:19,719 now. I don't say that because it's not true. I think it was 19 00:02:19,800 --> 00:02:23,639 maybe the last time, so this is all. Yeah, that's basically about 20 00:02:23,639 --> 00:02:25,639 three months ago. I've only the time has gone so quick, isn't it. 21 00:02:25,879 --> 00:02:29,120 Yeah, Yeah, time flies. I mean, I don't do many 22 00:02:29,159 --> 00:02:31,199 interviews in the UK. Believe they're not a lot of them America. I 23 00:02:31,240 --> 00:02:35,639 did an Australian one the other day. I think it's only two or maybe 24 00:02:35,680 --> 00:02:38,639 three stations in the UK. So the more you can have, more you 25 00:02:38,639 --> 00:02:43,680 can have me, the better. Yeah, reached our own home audience. 26 00:02:43,919 --> 00:02:49,719 I feel quite thank you very much. We're gonna I'm quite intrigued because we're 27 00:02:49,719 --> 00:02:52,680 going to be talking about Europe for us. Will yes, as you know, 28 00:02:52,800 --> 00:02:54,120 I mean, the last time we were talking about quite a different subject, 29 00:02:54,360 --> 00:02:59,080 King Arthur and Moon and everything else. And I've got your book, 30 00:02:59,599 --> 00:03:04,280 Hey what a Star fabulous, which is brilliant. Well, I'm started sort 31 00:03:04,280 --> 00:03:07,479 of digging around in a little bit some pieces, but it's quite an intensbook, 32 00:03:07,520 --> 00:03:12,840 so we'll get into that deeper later just just worked through the dates. 33 00:03:12,919 --> 00:03:15,680 The dates are all left hand side, so pick a subject, look at 34 00:03:15,719 --> 00:03:17,400 a date, and just dive in. You know. It's very fascinating actually 35 00:03:17,439 --> 00:03:21,639 because I was in Cornwall. As I told you, I was going to 36 00:03:21,759 --> 00:03:25,879 Cornwall, and I actually went to Tintedul Castle. Now you told me that 37 00:03:25,879 --> 00:03:30,680 that's not really I know we're we're not got into the subject yet, but 38 00:03:30,680 --> 00:03:34,120 but tin Teduel isn't really King Arthur country, as you know. No, 39 00:03:34,800 --> 00:03:38,000 no, as I said, there were I think there were ten first ten 40 00:03:38,039 --> 00:03:42,360 and surviving editions as Geoffrey of Monmoth's History the Kings of Britain doesn't have Tintadgle 41 00:03:42,400 --> 00:03:45,560 in it. And then once you get into all the rest of the surviving 42 00:03:45,800 --> 00:03:51,439 editions, all of a sudden robs the gloss, his patron, his cousin, 43 00:03:51,719 --> 00:03:54,439 buys the castle and it basically gets written in. So if you've got 44 00:03:54,439 --> 00:03:58,400 a later edition of History of the Kings of Britain, oh you've got the 45 00:03:58,400 --> 00:04:00,800 whole King Arthur thing. It's all in there, you know. And it's 46 00:04:00,800 --> 00:04:05,759 a shame because from an archaeologist perspective, it's a superb site. Proper, 47 00:04:05,879 --> 00:04:11,919 you know, it's post Roman dark Age real, you know, international archaeology 48 00:04:12,039 --> 00:04:15,639 there. I'd wish they just talk about that, you know. But so 49 00:04:15,639 --> 00:04:17,959 it's kind of a double cover up. Number one, it's nothing to do 50 00:04:18,040 --> 00:04:23,199 with Arthur. It's just relocating Arthur and getting you away from the truth. 51 00:04:23,240 --> 00:04:26,839 And number two, they're covering up the fact that the archaeology is actually quite 52 00:04:26,920 --> 00:04:30,120 radical. There's some really good dark Age stuff there. So it's kind of 53 00:04:30,120 --> 00:04:31,480 two for one, you know. I just wish they're just you know, 54 00:04:31,800 --> 00:04:35,879 Yeah, it's an amazing it's an amazing place. So it's a incredible I've 55 00:04:35,879 --> 00:04:41,560 always wanted to go there. Yeah, it's very King Arthur orientated. But 56 00:04:41,639 --> 00:04:43,879 yeah, and you need strong links to walk about, I'll tell you. 57 00:04:43,920 --> 00:04:46,480 Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's a bit of a climb. 58 00:04:46,839 --> 00:04:50,639 Yeah. And anyway, we're going to be talking about today Europe's Roswell. 59 00:04:51,000 --> 00:04:56,120 Yeah, as you you brought their subjects up now, as you said 60 00:04:56,120 --> 00:04:59,920 to you off here, I've always known as Europe's was will or UK's well 61 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:04,720 as well as Rendelsham. But I believe a different idea. Well, the 62 00:05:05,040 --> 00:05:08,759 way we looked at it, the way we approached this back in two thousand 63 00:05:08,759 --> 00:05:15,079 and eight as a documentary was what parallels do we have between the crash that 64 00:05:15,079 --> 00:05:18,680 we're talking about, which is Clanillar in just outside Aberys within North Wales, 65 00:05:19,279 --> 00:05:23,399 and the actual Roswell crash. Well, of course the actual Roswell crashed. 66 00:05:23,920 --> 00:05:27,759 The is exactly that, you know, something came flying down, crashed, 67 00:05:28,160 --> 00:05:32,319 left a shedloaded debris, and then that whatever it was vanished, you know, 68 00:05:32,399 --> 00:05:35,920 be it you know, cleared up by the military or whatever. Well, 69 00:05:36,160 --> 00:05:41,279 what we've got at Clanillare is exactly the same. It's not like the 70 00:05:41,279 --> 00:05:46,639 Rerendelshim encounter. There was a recovery team got onto this site shortly after the 71 00:05:46,639 --> 00:05:51,839 military cleanup operation and they recovered pieces of it. So the main thrust of 72 00:05:51,879 --> 00:05:59,800 Europe's Roswell is that we literally literally have the same sort of gameplay, if 73 00:05:59,800 --> 00:06:02,560 you like, at this crash at clenil are As as we had at the 74 00:06:02,600 --> 00:06:06,720 real Roswell in New Mexico in nineteen forty seven. This thing came down in 75 00:06:06,800 --> 00:06:14,600 nineteen eighty three. So it's it's just the parallels are just too much to 76 00:06:14,639 --> 00:06:16,800 not call it that. I mean, the other one that the other one 77 00:06:16,800 --> 00:06:21,439 always gets mixed up with is the Booing Mountain incident, where you had something 78 00:06:21,480 --> 00:06:25,360 coming down on the mountains, booing mountains. Well, we do hear more 79 00:06:25,399 --> 00:06:28,759 about that one, don't, well after render sham, But yeah, it's 80 00:06:28,800 --> 00:06:31,000 not about I don't really hear too much about Well, you won't have done 81 00:06:31,480 --> 00:06:35,199 it's it's this one is neither of those. This is a completely unique one. 82 00:06:35,560 --> 00:06:38,959 As I said, we did. We covered it for a documentary. 83 00:06:39,279 --> 00:06:44,639 We produced a documentary in two thousand and eight for the twenty fifth anniversary of 84 00:06:44,639 --> 00:06:46,560 the crash that went out. I mean you can go and watch it. 85 00:06:46,560 --> 00:06:49,040 I believe it's on Amazon Prime. It's on the internet at the moment. 86 00:06:49,040 --> 00:06:53,439 And that went all over the place, it was, so that will mean 87 00:06:53,480 --> 00:06:58,199 I've got to post some money again, Yeah, I'm afraid. So oh 88 00:06:58,199 --> 00:07:00,480 you could try and maybe track down a second and uncopy of the DVDs that'll 89 00:07:00,519 --> 00:07:04,480 be out there on Amazon somewhere. And yeah, we did that, We 90 00:07:04,600 --> 00:07:09,480 covered it, you know, in that form. And I suspected to us 91 00:07:09,519 --> 00:07:13,639 something a bit wrong with that because it was done by reality films in the 92 00:07:13,680 --> 00:07:16,000 States. They they took it and covered it and released it and what have 93 00:07:16,160 --> 00:07:18,360 you. And I'm kind of sat there, you know, as you do, 94 00:07:18,480 --> 00:07:23,639 waiting for the you know, cascade of interviews and fame and Fortune and 95 00:07:23,879 --> 00:07:27,079 front cover of Time magazine and all that, you know, UFO recovering all 96 00:07:27,120 --> 00:07:31,240 that. I got one phone call from an American radio station and then they 97 00:07:31,319 --> 00:07:36,319 never followed it up, so it vanished. It literally vanished. And I'm 98 00:07:36,360 --> 00:07:41,680 thinking that means we got it right, you know, that means it's the 99 00:07:41,680 --> 00:07:46,399 truth. Yeah, total total, I mean it was. It was ridiculously 100 00:07:46,439 --> 00:07:49,759 covered up, you know, to the point where as you say, probably 101 00:07:49,800 --> 00:07:53,560 to this day, most people don't know it even happened, you know. 102 00:07:54,519 --> 00:07:58,639 So I can actually I can show you because I have a proof copy right 103 00:07:59,000 --> 00:08:05,480 here. It comes because then because we're on audio radio, here a copy 104 00:08:05,639 --> 00:08:11,319 of Europe's Ruelle coming soon. It is. I'm getting my own back here 105 00:08:11,319 --> 00:08:13,639 because you did the same with the author books. So all these people out 106 00:08:13,680 --> 00:08:16,199 there are going, what are they talking about? How do they know that 107 00:08:16,199 --> 00:08:20,160 that's what they're talking about? Well, this book which I'm just holding up 108 00:08:20,160 --> 00:08:22,199 here, it's due out. The official date was August, where it's coming 109 00:08:22,199 --> 00:08:28,199 out in November now because it's forty years since impact. So it's what we've 110 00:08:28,240 --> 00:08:33,960 done is we've gathered every single piece of information we could get our hands on. 111 00:08:33,600 --> 00:08:39,399 There's photographs is how we produced the DVD. There's interviews with the people 112 00:08:39,480 --> 00:08:43,120 involved. You know, it's kind of very much it's a show and tell 113 00:08:43,200 --> 00:08:46,399 book. It's not it's not big because we didn't want to add anything to 114 00:08:46,600 --> 00:08:52,399 it. The story kind of tells itself. Well that'll be how should yeah, 115 00:08:52,399 --> 00:08:56,360 Flying dis Press. It'll be out on Amazon through Amazon from the first 116 00:08:56,399 --> 00:09:01,639 of November. It's a stocking filler, you know for Christmas. I've already 117 00:09:01,679 --> 00:09:03,720 done that, a King Arthur book. That's good, he says, how 118 00:09:03,720 --> 00:09:05,559 many, four hundred and eighty eight pages long. I wasn't going to do 119 00:09:05,600 --> 00:09:09,320 another monster, you know, and this time last year we were talking about 120 00:09:09,360 --> 00:09:13,080 Crystal Skulls and Human Heads, which was the other book. And it's very 121 00:09:13,159 --> 00:09:16,879 unusual for me to do more than one book in about three years, and 122 00:09:16,919 --> 00:09:20,639 I've done it the other way around. I've done three books in a year. 123 00:09:20,759 --> 00:09:26,039 So you know, it's totally unpredictable. That's Philip mental though it is. 124 00:09:26,080 --> 00:09:31,360 Indeed, Yeah, he does a really good job. He really knows 125 00:09:31,360 --> 00:09:35,720 how to produce stuff. The same guy that illustrated the cover of the Arthur 126 00:09:35,759 --> 00:09:37,799 book, we did a stunning job of that. Same chap has done this 127 00:09:37,840 --> 00:09:43,039 one Europe Croswell Sebastian Wassick. He does those artworks for us, and that's 128 00:09:43,080 --> 00:09:46,960 totally down to Philip. Philip found him, you know, and he's brilliant, 129 00:09:48,039 --> 00:09:50,159 absolutely brilliant. I'm guessing it'll be on Kindle as well. It'll be 130 00:09:50,159 --> 00:09:54,720 an audiobook as well, and it does follow very much the same kind of 131 00:09:54,879 --> 00:09:58,600 formula, if you like, as the documentary. So it's going to be 132 00:09:58,639 --> 00:10:01,960 an audio book. Are you going to be do reading it or somebody else? 133 00:10:01,360 --> 00:10:03,879 I do do that sort of thing, but I don't think I'll be 134 00:10:03,919 --> 00:10:11,320 doing this one. I'm not I'm going to put it. I'm not scientific 135 00:10:11,519 --> 00:10:13,919 enough, I think is the word. I'd like a sort of you know 136 00:10:13,960 --> 00:10:16,679 that scientific. Not quite as far as Stephen Hawking, but you know, 137 00:10:16,759 --> 00:10:22,080 scientific type voice. We're looking for somebody who's got the right voice for it. 138 00:10:22,080 --> 00:10:24,080 I think the same chapter that did Crystal Skulls be pretty good, but 139 00:10:24,440 --> 00:10:28,159 we have to wait and see because that's the last The last thing we do 140 00:10:28,279 --> 00:10:31,480 is the audio version. It's taking a year to do the audio version of 141 00:10:31,559 --> 00:10:37,320 The King Arthur and the poor guy that got that job. I'm actually I've 142 00:10:37,360 --> 00:10:39,919 been listening to a few audio books myself. And do you think that he 143 00:10:41,039 --> 00:10:43,519 got maybe? I mean, some of these books are so thick, you've 144 00:10:43,519 --> 00:10:46,200 got like twenty nine hours to cover. Well, yeah, I was thinking, 145 00:10:46,200 --> 00:10:52,279 there's latted in that book. There's like loads of wealthy medieval dialect. 146 00:10:52,000 --> 00:10:54,639 You know, there's so much stuff in there. The poor guy must have 147 00:10:54,639 --> 00:10:58,279 been tearing his hair out where he was doing that. But there you go. 148 00:11:00,080 --> 00:11:05,600 So I've got to David nightbook The Professions of a Renegade Mind. Ah 149 00:11:05,840 --> 00:11:07,799 was it the other one? He's later one of the trap Sorry, it's 150 00:11:07,840 --> 00:11:11,639 a trap. Well I've got the audio version and it's actually him reading it 151 00:11:11,639 --> 00:11:16,679 and it's fantastic. Oh wow, Okay, well life, maybe I'll suggest 152 00:11:16,720 --> 00:11:20,279 that to Philip. I'll say, you know, maybe maybe for this one, 153 00:11:20,360 --> 00:11:22,519 let me loose, Yeah, let me have a bite at the cham 154 00:11:22,799 --> 00:11:26,879 Who happens when your voices quite listable? Too? And when you've been lots 155 00:11:26,919 --> 00:11:31,759 of TV shows? And yeah, I've done I've done a fair bit of 156 00:11:31,759 --> 00:11:37,000 that. Yeah. I was stumbling around in an antique center because the BBC 157 00:11:37,159 --> 00:11:43,159 were they're doing Celebrity Antiques road Trip, which is very English BBC type program, 158 00:11:43,159 --> 00:11:46,200 and they were down there last week. So I was down there getting 159 00:11:46,200 --> 00:11:48,200 in the way, So I do, I get around a bit when it 160 00:11:48,200 --> 00:11:56,639 comes to TV another my friends Graphy was on that or not? New story? 161 00:11:56,720 --> 00:11:58,440 Do you know new Story? Yeah? I think I think he told 162 00:11:58,480 --> 00:12:03,159 me he was on that road stripting was before. Well, I help out 163 00:12:03,200 --> 00:12:07,759 at an antique local antiques unit, and the guy that owns it was a 164 00:12:07,759 --> 00:12:09,279 bit shy, so he said, oh, you've done TV before, come 165 00:12:09,279 --> 00:12:13,639 on, you can help. So pretty much all I do was hold sandwiches 166 00:12:13,679 --> 00:12:16,320 and coffee all day. But you know, hey, cares you know, 167 00:12:16,440 --> 00:12:20,600 yeah, or anything getting on the ex isn't it. Yeah, it's Unfortunately 168 00:12:20,600 --> 00:12:22,039 your book's start coming out to him a bit because I was hoping you might 169 00:12:22,080 --> 00:12:28,519 have some form waiting over the event for Awaitning, I'm going to be promoting 170 00:12:28,559 --> 00:12:33,000 it. What Philip tends to do is he tends to work ahead. So 171 00:12:33,120 --> 00:12:37,799 by August I'm hoping I'll have a few kind of test copies that I can 172 00:12:37,399 --> 00:12:41,519 you know, used to promote it. Yeah. And the other thing about 173 00:12:41,519 --> 00:12:45,440 Awaitning this year is I'm actually there as me. I'm not. I'm not 174 00:12:45,480 --> 00:12:48,559 going there to do anything. I mean, I'm a guest of the people 175 00:12:48,600 --> 00:12:54,240 putting the show. On, but I actually get to enjoy it this time. 176 00:12:54,320 --> 00:12:56,600 You know, I'm not tired. I know, you mean, you're 177 00:12:56,679 --> 00:13:00,200 not tied to a stall or you know, doing a talk or anything that 178 00:13:00,240 --> 00:13:03,440 I can. I can actually you know, see some of the presentations this 179 00:13:03,519 --> 00:13:05,039 year, because I didn't see any of them last year. It's a shame 180 00:13:05,159 --> 00:13:07,879 it when when that happens, because you've got to look after your store because 181 00:13:09,039 --> 00:13:11,639 people will been nicking stuff. Well yeah, well not this year. Not 182 00:13:11,799 --> 00:13:16,759 accusing anyone or anything, but I might bring the crystal skull along with me 183 00:13:16,799 --> 00:13:18,480 for one of the days because people have asked and kind of bring the skull, 184 00:13:18,519 --> 00:13:22,480 So I'll bring that and but that can stay with me. You know, 185 00:13:22,519 --> 00:13:24,159 I'm shoving a carrier bag and take it around with me if it comes 186 00:13:24,200 --> 00:13:31,960 down to it, so it's in a flight casey. Yeah, just see 187 00:13:33,000 --> 00:13:37,240 if it puts the energy into the to the event. You know, some 188 00:13:37,279 --> 00:13:41,039 great talk because great speakers again this Yeah, I'm looking forward to this year. 189 00:13:41,759 --> 00:13:43,639 It's going to be good. It's always good anyway. I think. 190 00:13:43,639 --> 00:13:48,360 The only trouble with the Wakening, it's not really a big ears a bit 191 00:13:48,440 --> 00:13:50,480 ears a problem, but you can't get to see all the speakers because of 192 00:13:50,600 --> 00:13:54,440 the time leaps in three different venues. Yeah, you know, yeah, 193 00:13:54,799 --> 00:13:58,679 and you've got to choose, carefully choose. If you've got the top ticket, 194 00:14:00,039 --> 00:14:03,840 there's a lot of sweet because you can't really guys listen to unfortunately, 195 00:14:03,039 --> 00:14:05,960 but you do get the Friday, which you only get with the top ticket. 196 00:14:07,120 --> 00:14:09,840 So from Craig Charles is there this year on the Friday, So as 197 00:14:09,879 --> 00:14:13,559 somebody else who's worked for ITV, we're going to be, no doubt having 198 00:14:13,600 --> 00:14:18,039 a chat about television stuff. I would think, Yeah, I mean, 199 00:14:18,200 --> 00:14:20,600 I'm not sort of to put you on the spot, but what's your opinion. 200 00:14:20,639 --> 00:14:24,519 Did you see the Craig Charles on TV show. I've seen a few 201 00:14:24,519 --> 00:14:28,440 of the UFO ones where they decide, you know, whether what they're looking 202 00:14:28,440 --> 00:14:33,559 at is genuine or not. I wasn't sure about the format or the presentation 203 00:14:33,039 --> 00:14:37,720 Brott it really Yeah, broadly speaking, I agreed with the outcomes, you 204 00:14:37,720 --> 00:14:41,240 know, I think they were very realistic to the point of being blunting factors, 205 00:14:41,320 --> 00:14:45,559 you know, saying whether it was genuine or not, whether they thought, 206 00:14:45,639 --> 00:14:48,399 you know, it was a real thing or not. But it was 207 00:14:48,480 --> 00:14:52,200 pleasing to hear that they occasionally said yes, This is a genuine mystery. 208 00:14:52,360 --> 00:14:56,559 You know, they weren't just out to slag it all off and you know 209 00:14:56,000 --> 00:15:00,600 it all down. They were. They were very m even handed, I 210 00:15:00,639 --> 00:15:03,799 would say, very fair minded about it. But of course Craig's biggest claim 211 00:15:03,840 --> 00:15:09,799 to fame is is Red Dwarf. So that's back that I never actually saw 212 00:15:09,840 --> 00:15:16,759 any of those crips of the obviously, you see, I know he was 213 00:15:16,799 --> 00:15:20,639 on that, but he's on all of them because they're stranded in space. 214 00:15:20,679 --> 00:15:24,279 They can't really do anything else or put him on, you know. But 215 00:15:24,440 --> 00:15:28,720 yeah, because that was actually a comedy thing, wasn't it still is? 216 00:15:28,919 --> 00:15:31,120 It still is the early series, you know, sort of one to six, 217 00:15:31,159 --> 00:15:35,840 I think we're extremely funny, um, and then the later ones you 218 00:15:35,879 --> 00:15:37,840 could just you could kind of tell that things had changed, you know. 219 00:15:37,919 --> 00:15:43,399 I think I think the guy did the hologram Holly either retired or died or 220 00:15:43,559 --> 00:15:46,440 and some of the scriptwriting changed and that. But they're still pretty jolly good, 221 00:15:46,679 --> 00:15:50,639 you know, they're still maybe maybe it was a bit in advance of 222 00:15:50,720 --> 00:15:52,440 my mind or something. Maybe I should try and catch him next to Yeah, 223 00:15:54,080 --> 00:15:56,200 because well if you're going to dip in, dip in somewhere from sort 224 00:15:56,240 --> 00:15:58,320 of season one to six, have a look at one or two. And 225 00:15:58,600 --> 00:16:02,639 I think I think I felt at the time when it came out that it 226 00:16:02,679 --> 00:16:06,559 was a it was a subject that should be treated seriously and not sort of 227 00:16:07,440 --> 00:16:11,200 basically, well, yeah, there's a very strong element of thunderbirds about it 228 00:16:11,240 --> 00:16:15,960 as well. If you like spaceships and model work and all that, you 229 00:16:15,000 --> 00:16:18,320 know, it's it's quite a bit like that. So it kind of appeals 230 00:16:18,360 --> 00:16:22,919 to a certain generation. Yeah, that's a catch. Someone must a bit. 231 00:16:23,039 --> 00:16:26,559 And I say, I'll be meeting Quai Chol, so maybe I can 232 00:16:26,600 --> 00:16:29,759 even give on the show. You never know, but so we'll see. 233 00:16:29,759 --> 00:16:33,159 Oh, you never know, but it will be interesting to me. You 234 00:16:33,440 --> 00:16:36,399 must say. Okay, okay, we'll tell us a little bit more about 235 00:16:36,440 --> 00:16:42,840 this European ross World Europe? Did they actually did they actually find any aliens 236 00:16:42,879 --> 00:16:47,360 that you know about? No, No, the story. I'll tell you 237 00:16:47,399 --> 00:16:51,200 the story, because that's really what people want to know. Basically, there 238 00:16:51,200 --> 00:16:53,600 was a newspaper article came out in I remember, you've got a sale book, 239 00:16:53,639 --> 00:16:56,320 so you don't want to give too much away. Oh no, I'm 240 00:16:56,320 --> 00:16:57,399 not going to tell the whole story. I mean, I'm gonna I'm gonna 241 00:16:57,799 --> 00:17:03,200 shrink it right down, you know. Newspaper article came out early nineteen eighty 242 00:17:03,200 --> 00:17:07,640 three in the January, and it went to another investigator called Gary Row and 243 00:17:07,799 --> 00:17:12,200 he was running the UFO group for North Wales at that time. Basically it 244 00:17:12,279 --> 00:17:17,359 described a crash in the village of Clinillar and just outside albert Swyth. So 245 00:17:17,400 --> 00:17:21,640 he contacted the farmer this chap called Erbal went down to have a look at 246 00:17:21,680 --> 00:17:22,960 the site. Nowell said, well, you're wasted your time because they've been 247 00:17:23,000 --> 00:17:26,640 down here cleaning it up. You know, they virtually cleared the place. 248 00:17:26,359 --> 00:17:30,119 So Gary went down had a look anyway, you know, no debris, 249 00:17:30,240 --> 00:17:33,839 no aliens, no spaceship, nothing like that. But he did notice that 250 00:17:33,960 --> 00:17:37,839 it looked like something had hit the trees adjacent to the site. So he 251 00:17:37,880 --> 00:17:41,000 went and had a route round in the woods and got about half a dozen 252 00:17:41,039 --> 00:17:48,559 pieces of this strange metal material and foil out of the woods, which are 253 00:17:48,920 --> 00:17:52,599 featured in the book. Because like I said, it's show and tell. 254 00:17:52,920 --> 00:18:00,039 Those are very similar to this is where he gets rather intriguing when you say 255 00:18:00,119 --> 00:18:03,960 roswell foil, it's only very recently. I think it's it's this year it's 256 00:18:03,960 --> 00:18:07,079 only in the last few months that someone who has got a piece of this 257 00:18:07,279 --> 00:18:12,359 strange foil material off the cross off the Roswell crash site. Well, this 258 00:18:12,480 --> 00:18:15,599 crash was way back in nineteen eighty three and it's got the same kind of 259 00:18:15,640 --> 00:18:22,279 materials on it. So there is now, but only very very recently now, 260 00:18:22,839 --> 00:18:26,119 a direct connection between the two sites, which, as I said, 261 00:18:26,160 --> 00:18:32,880 we we postulated, we guessed that back in excuse me, in two thousand 262 00:18:32,960 --> 00:18:45,480 and eight. Well, yeah, so, and then the story kind of 263 00:18:45,519 --> 00:18:49,799 picks up from there because Gary then has tried to get this stuff analyzed. 264 00:18:51,880 --> 00:18:56,279 It came back as it's an alloy which is called duralumin, which we've got 265 00:18:56,319 --> 00:19:00,720 now, but apparently we don't have as good of as the form that came 266 00:19:00,720 --> 00:19:03,880 off this crash back in nineteen eighty three. So whether they back engineered it 267 00:19:04,519 --> 00:19:07,759 or what it was, nobody knows. Maybe it's an alien exotic substance. 268 00:19:10,480 --> 00:19:11,720 And then there's a couple of other bits of things on it. There's a 269 00:19:11,720 --> 00:19:17,359 green coating on one side, there's like this rubber eyed texagonal stuff and resin 270 00:19:17,440 --> 00:19:19,680 on the other side, and that side seems to be what was joined to 271 00:19:19,759 --> 00:19:25,799 the foil. The guys, the guys that did analysis back then couldn't say 272 00:19:26,200 --> 00:19:30,920 what these other materials were. They could get elements, but they couldn't say 273 00:19:30,920 --> 00:19:34,119 what it was. It was an exotic material. So that was way way 274 00:19:34,119 --> 00:19:40,519 back when we were doing the documentary we had that information. We're very seriously 275 00:19:40,640 --> 00:19:45,599 thinking now of resurrecting the idea of getting hold of some samples and getting them 276 00:19:45,720 --> 00:19:52,160 analyzed again. I believe very recently. Moved On in the States now have 277 00:19:52,119 --> 00:19:57,200 a laboratory for analysis. I think move On in Australia have one as well. 278 00:19:57,240 --> 00:20:03,440 Actually thinking about it. So we're thinking maybe go through official channels this 279 00:20:03,519 --> 00:20:07,920 time and get it done properly. So it's like the book kind of gives 280 00:20:07,960 --> 00:20:11,200 you the all the physical details, you know. I mean, you know, 281 00:20:11,200 --> 00:20:15,039 it's a reasonable size book, less than one hundred pages, for it's 282 00:20:15,039 --> 00:20:18,480 a reasonable size, So I can't tell you everything in the space of radio 283 00:20:18,519 --> 00:20:21,720 interview. But once you've got the book, you've then got these fragments you 284 00:20:21,720 --> 00:20:25,119 can actually look at them. So that kind of brings that whole idea. 285 00:20:25,240 --> 00:20:27,400 Unless we get full disclosure, we're not going to see any of this material. 286 00:20:27,799 --> 00:20:33,000 So at least that now adds another chapter to the whole UFO corpus of 287 00:20:33,079 --> 00:20:37,599 stuff. And then there is a possibility then that very soon as a result 288 00:20:37,640 --> 00:20:42,039 of interest now rising again in it as a as a thing that we'll get 289 00:20:42,079 --> 00:20:51,720 the analysis system. Do you know what actually calls the crash or yeah, 290 00:20:52,319 --> 00:20:56,359 it's a bit odd from from what we can gather from the available evidence. 291 00:20:56,440 --> 00:21:02,400 Whatever this thing was, it was about twenty five foot wide. It was 292 00:21:02,519 --> 00:21:07,880 designed for a specific purpose. So let's say it's pressure ized or it's contained 293 00:21:07,920 --> 00:21:11,799 inside its own force field or whatever, and it's designed for, you know, 294 00:21:12,039 --> 00:21:15,920 high speed, And what's happened is it's got into trouble, so it's 295 00:21:15,920 --> 00:21:21,599 slowed right down and at a very slow speed. It's gone through the top 296 00:21:21,640 --> 00:21:25,799 of these trees. So you can imagine the trees are battering the living daylights 297 00:21:25,799 --> 00:21:30,119 out the bottom of whatever this thing is, smashing all the outer coating off 298 00:21:30,160 --> 00:21:33,240 it, because that's not what this coating is designed to be. It's not 299 00:21:33,359 --> 00:21:38,880 how it's used anyway. This coating then explodes across four fields, and these 300 00:21:38,880 --> 00:21:42,039 fields are pretty big because you're talking about whales, so the big, cheap 301 00:21:42,079 --> 00:21:48,680 farmy fields. But whatever it is that hits the trees then flies off, 302 00:21:48,400 --> 00:21:52,279 so it just leaves all this broken debris. So you've got the same you've 303 00:21:52,319 --> 00:21:56,400 got the sort of the Matt Brazil type scene where you know, outcomes the 304 00:21:56,480 --> 00:22:00,200 farmer onto his land and it's covered as far as the eye can see all 305 00:22:00,200 --> 00:22:03,880 this strange looking silver metal foil and a couple of bits of stuff that look 306 00:22:03,920 --> 00:22:10,200 a little bit like beams and maybe an aerial but who knows. So anyway, 307 00:22:10,240 --> 00:22:14,480 what the guy does is he phones the local police says, I think 308 00:22:14,480 --> 00:22:15,839 I've had a plane crash of some kind, and they say, well, 309 00:22:15,839 --> 00:22:19,359 don't talk to us, phone the local RF. So he phones the local 310 00:22:19,440 --> 00:22:22,640 RF. Anyway, same day, La, it's the same day. You've 311 00:22:22,680 --> 00:22:27,559 got MD crash Recovery team down there, and they just clear it. You 312 00:22:27,599 --> 00:22:32,240 know, when he gets up the following morning, there's nothing, you know, 313 00:22:32,240 --> 00:22:36,839 apart from the tear through the trees. Anyway, that's January. By 314 00:22:36,839 --> 00:22:38,880 the time we get to the first week of February, the Forestry commissioner tearing 315 00:22:38,880 --> 00:22:45,319 down the trees, so literally everything is gone. There's there's nothing, you 316 00:22:45,359 --> 00:22:48,160 know, there was no point us when we did the documentary. There's no 317 00:22:48,240 --> 00:22:52,359 point going really to the crash site. We filmed the fields, but all 318 00:22:52,359 --> 00:22:56,519 you've got is you know, little tiny sheep dotted in a field covered in 319 00:22:56,599 --> 00:23:00,880 snow. The journey to Roswell, we will see Yeah, a great huge 320 00:23:00,920 --> 00:23:04,519 beach looking thing. You know, desert with a few bits sticking up doesn't 321 00:23:04,559 --> 00:23:10,680 make good television. Basically, it's not a lot to see. Um yeah, 322 00:23:10,920 --> 00:23:12,200 I thought that when I went to Roswell myself. We went to the 323 00:23:12,240 --> 00:23:17,160 town of Roswell obviously, I mean, wife was saying about going to actually 324 00:23:17,160 --> 00:23:19,680 going to Roswell with disciples. I said, I don't really think it's worth 325 00:23:19,680 --> 00:23:22,839 it because you're not going to see anything. You're going to see a crash 326 00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:26,200 pace ship, you think, because well, no, you see is a 327 00:23:26,279 --> 00:23:30,319 load of desert. What you've been both say, there's a rap prior type 328 00:23:30,839 --> 00:23:37,720 end what you've already been seeing everywhere else moaned about driving through Well. I 329 00:23:37,799 --> 00:23:40,440 was in the same position when Gary contacted me and he said, oh, 330 00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:42,000 we've got this, you know, crash I we'd like you to come and 331 00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:45,480 have a look at it. As an archaeologist, so I had visions of 332 00:23:45,599 --> 00:23:49,720 you know, flying sources stuck in the dirt with engines sticking out and little 333 00:23:49,759 --> 00:23:52,359 green men hanging out and all this sort of the very least, you know, 334 00:23:52,440 --> 00:23:56,359 something that hit the ground, so I could go and dig it up, 335 00:23:56,640 --> 00:24:00,440 you know, that's what archaeologists do. And then he's like, Noah, 336 00:24:00,480 --> 00:24:03,319 you won't you won't find anything that way. But then but then he 337 00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:04,839 sort of threw in at the end as a kind of a matter of fact, 338 00:24:04,839 --> 00:24:07,240 he went, but I got six pieces of it in a case in 339 00:24:07,279 --> 00:24:12,039 my garage, and I'm like, oh, oh, now, now we 340 00:24:12,119 --> 00:24:17,119 might be able to do something with that. So that's kind of how I 341 00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:19,359 got got brought into it. And you know, I was doing Lost Treasures 342 00:24:19,359 --> 00:24:22,880 back then for ITV and lots of other projects that I was producing. So 343 00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:29,079 we went ahead and did Europe's crosswell you know at the documentary, So that's 344 00:24:29,160 --> 00:24:33,440 kind of Campbell testing, you know, did you feel it? Well? 345 00:24:33,559 --> 00:24:34,880 He did all that. I mean, he did all sorts of stuff. 346 00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:38,000 He had a piece that was fairly sizeable that he could actually stamp on, 347 00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:41,440 so he put it on the floor and stood on it. Of course, 348 00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:44,960 it popped straight back and pretty well threw him off. He'd got a piece 349 00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:48,759 he could flex and he could bend it so it was almost the ends of 350 00:24:48,759 --> 00:24:53,119 it would almost touch and then it would just spring back. He couldn't saw 351 00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:56,519 it. He had loads of trouble. You could bang it and chisel it, 352 00:24:56,559 --> 00:25:00,759 and you couldn't. It wouldn't do anything. So the only way you 353 00:25:00,759 --> 00:25:03,039 could get samples for testing off it was to get hold of it like eggshell 354 00:25:03,119 --> 00:25:08,480 with a pair of players and very slowly work it to snap pieces off. 355 00:25:10,039 --> 00:25:14,000 So that's why I said it was designed to take an attack. You know, 356 00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:18,079 it's designed to withstand pressure. But if you approached it from a very 357 00:25:18,559 --> 00:25:22,079 gentle point of view, it was actually quite fragile. So it pushed back. 358 00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:25,880 It pushes the energy back, but not if you go in there very 359 00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:30,480 very carefully, you could. You could snap little tiny bits off, but 360 00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:33,519 very very strange stuff. I mean, if you had a layer of that, 361 00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:37,240 then you had a layer of honeycombed foil, and then you had another 362 00:25:37,319 --> 00:25:41,400 layer of that on top. You'd create a fuselage that weighed virtually nothing, 363 00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:45,640 but it would probably repel meteorites, you know what I mean. You could 364 00:25:45,680 --> 00:25:48,160 bounce a meteorite off it because it was that hard, you know, that 365 00:25:48,279 --> 00:25:52,160 protective. But what on earth it came off? You know, we never 366 00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:56,920 we never found out. Garry just went as far at the end of the 367 00:25:56,960 --> 00:26:02,559 video. He went as far as saying, well, it's off unidentified flying 368 00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:04,720 object. That was as far as he would go. He wouldn't theorize what 369 00:26:06,079 --> 00:26:11,480 kind of vehicle had broken off. I think that's probably fair. That's you 370 00:26:11,559 --> 00:26:14,599 know, yeah, that's what you can call it. Yeah, yeah, 371 00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:21,279 I mean that the description does match the repulsive the original Russ wall, doesn't 372 00:26:21,279 --> 00:26:22,759 it. Yes, it does, it does. It's quite star a lot 373 00:26:22,759 --> 00:26:26,759 of credence, doesn't it. Yeah. Yeah. Well what we did, 374 00:26:26,799 --> 00:26:29,079 what we did in the book, which we didn't have time to do in 375 00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:33,119 the documentary, is Gary. Gary was very clever because the mod turned up 376 00:26:33,119 --> 00:26:37,759 at his front door. You know, he got you know, black Jague 377 00:26:37,839 --> 00:26:41,440 land rovers with no plates and guys in dark suits with dark glasses, with 378 00:26:41,519 --> 00:26:45,759 strange looking passes. They turned up at his front door and he said can 379 00:26:45,799 --> 00:26:48,720 we have They said, can we have our material back? What Gary had 380 00:26:48,759 --> 00:26:52,960 actually done was he'd broken loads of samples off, put them in key rings 381 00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:56,119 and handed them out to certain people. So he was like, no, 382 00:26:56,200 --> 00:26:59,599 you can't have your stuff back, and if you carry on pestrough me, 383 00:26:59,759 --> 00:27:02,920 I'll you know, get this release to the press kind of then. So 384 00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:04,319 they were like, okay, fair cop can't do anything, you know, 385 00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:11,759 they just left. But that when he was giving those little fragments away, 386 00:27:11,839 --> 00:27:14,920 when he all selling some of the fragments, which he did at events, 387 00:27:15,319 --> 00:27:18,440 he gave a piece of paper away with it, this certificate, And in 388 00:27:18,559 --> 00:27:25,960 the write up he ran comparisons directly. He ran Roswell down one side, 389 00:27:26,039 --> 00:27:29,680 and he ran this crash down the other, and he got to about two 390 00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:36,960 pages of a four of similarities to the point where it looks very much like 391 00:27:37,079 --> 00:27:41,319 the same crash. That's where we got the name Europe's crosswell from from this 392 00:27:41,519 --> 00:27:45,400 comparison. And what we're what I've decided to do was to actually reproduce Garry's 393 00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:48,559 own set of notes as part of the book, so people now can just 394 00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:52,480 go through and go, oh oh yeah, you know this this is really 395 00:27:53,079 --> 00:27:56,319 similar. You know, it's frightening out. I mean, the cleanup operation, 396 00:27:57,799 --> 00:28:00,839 the way there was only one news paper article was then later covered up, 397 00:28:02,119 --> 00:28:06,279 the way they killed the story flat. There's only one witness and that's 398 00:28:06,279 --> 00:28:08,119 the farmer. You know. Again, it's like Matt Brazil, you know, 399 00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:12,319 the fragments, the damage, that every everything, everything about it just 400 00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:17,680 reads like the same gameplay. You know. It's the same thing being run 401 00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:22,039 again. Yeah, apart from them saying oh a UFOs crashed in real withdrawing 402 00:28:22,079 --> 00:28:26,480 it the next day, it's the same. He says that the real million 403 00:28:26,519 --> 00:28:29,640 black tone that was well yeah, well, like I say, this newspaper 404 00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:32,640 article came out in the Sunday Express, and we chased that all the way 405 00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:34,720 back to the guy who wrote it, Andrew Chapman. So he then went 406 00:28:34,799 --> 00:28:38,079 off Sunday Express, went off to his notebooks in archive, traced it all 407 00:28:38,079 --> 00:28:41,839 the way back to nineteen eighty three. He got the entry from the January 408 00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:45,279 and he said, he said, I've got no details. I've got no 409 00:28:45,359 --> 00:28:48,480 idea where this came from. And he said, and I don't have any 410 00:28:48,519 --> 00:28:53,119 idea why nobody else ran with the story. So like you've only got that 411 00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:57,920 one newspaper at Roswell that's putting the story out and then withdraws it. Well 412 00:28:57,920 --> 00:29:02,599 again, you've only got the Sun the Express that puts this story out and 413 00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:07,480 then it vanishes. Yeah, you know, it's it's the same same gameplay, 414 00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:11,799 same thing. It's interesting stuff. So the actual real witnesses to it, 415 00:29:11,119 --> 00:29:17,279 I guess. So nobody saw or heard the crash. So whatever it 416 00:29:17,359 --> 00:29:19,880 was that was going in there must have done it really silently because you know, 417 00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:25,759 this was sort of in the night, because Irwell found the debris the 418 00:29:25,799 --> 00:29:30,880 following morning when he went out to sort of sheep out. It's quite remote, 419 00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:36,400 I have to say, cleinilas not particularly well inhabited the area around it, 420 00:29:37,319 --> 00:29:40,440 and when we went in two thousand and eight was twenty five years later. 421 00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:41,559 Of course, you know, people had moved away. He knew people 422 00:29:41,599 --> 00:29:48,079 had come into the village. Basically nobody heard or saw anything other than really 423 00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:53,119 other than the farmer himself, and that he didn't really have anything to add 424 00:29:53,759 --> 00:29:57,160 to the story he gave to Gary. So we thought, well, it's 425 00:29:57,279 --> 00:30:00,519 it's probably not even worth putting him on camera, you know, because he 426 00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:06,799 was very credible, very very credible. Indeed, I believe I believe from 427 00:30:06,839 --> 00:30:10,720 Gary he's still alive. He's quite an old guy now, quite an old 428 00:30:10,759 --> 00:30:17,839 chap, but yeah, he's He's never been a primary interviewee. Nobody's really 429 00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:19,799 zoomed in on him because, as I said, there's nothing to see. 430 00:30:21,039 --> 00:30:23,519 The forest has gone, the debris he's gone. You know, it's forty 431 00:30:23,599 --> 00:30:29,880 years since anything scattered across his fields, and he doesn't particularly he's not like 432 00:30:30,119 --> 00:30:33,319 looking for stardom and doesn't want the location featured. He doesn't want the kind 433 00:30:33,319 --> 00:30:38,680 of thing. Yeah, yeah, he's quite retiring. So and Gary's the 434 00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:41,880 same if if truth been known, Gary just wants to plow on with his 435 00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:48,200 life as an investigator and into the paranormal and UFOs and stuff. And he 436 00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:52,960 admits himself he's not he's not an author, he's not a bookwriter, you 437 00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:57,960 know, he just he's a communicator. Yeah, he's very suspicion that it 438 00:30:59,079 --> 00:31:02,359 might have been a central els And I'll say, yeah, I mean Lord 439 00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:07,839 Aprile's well government project or something. I think I'd probably safe in saying that 440 00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:11,200 the people who did the original analysis were too well, they were too British 441 00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:17,599 airspace standards. So if there was something out there that was similar, I 442 00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:22,279 think they probably would have said that there was a similarity. If it was 443 00:31:22,359 --> 00:31:27,440 secret technology by China, Russia, America, Britain, whatever, then at 444 00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:32,279 that point nineteen eighty three, it would have been extraordinary. It would have 445 00:31:32,279 --> 00:31:38,440 been extraordinarily secret. Whether it's extraterrestrial is that's open to debate, you know, 446 00:31:40,559 --> 00:31:45,960 and increasingly the definition of extraterrestrial is changing. You know, did they 447 00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:49,960 come from Venus or are they time travelers or are they us from another dimension? 448 00:31:51,079 --> 00:31:56,920 You know, it's so much information now that's not getting us any close 449 00:31:57,039 --> 00:32:00,960 to what this thing was, you know. I mean there's a little bit 450 00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:06,839 of similarity to the rendition case there, in effect to did some tree damage 451 00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:10,839 and over forest and on the the fact that this thing lands was supposedly landed 452 00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:15,759 in the forest. Well there was I mean, there were rendelshoms, an 453 00:32:15,799 --> 00:32:20,440 unusual one because you had military, you had the US military, and they 454 00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:24,880 come face to face with an actual craft, functioning craft in a wooded area 455 00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:30,000 that's producing light and apparently in an electrical field. But then since then there's 456 00:32:30,039 --> 00:32:34,119 been a lot of argument over that. Was it the light from a lighthouse? 457 00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:37,359 You know? Was it folks that were mistaken? Was you know, 458 00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:39,799 is it inaccurate that? I mean, personally, I'd go with the original 459 00:32:39,839 --> 00:32:44,480 recordings from the American military. I think they definitely came face to face with 460 00:32:44,559 --> 00:32:46,319 something, There's no doubt about that. But like you say, all that 461 00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:50,559 was left behind afterwards, his broken tree branches and a couple of burns on 462 00:32:50,599 --> 00:32:55,799 the ground. Whereas this thing has been rumbling on for forty years and we've 463 00:32:55,839 --> 00:33:00,440 still got pieces of it, and Roswell has been rumbling on for eighty six 464 00:33:00,559 --> 00:33:05,920 years. We've got bits of that as well. We've got people still finding 465 00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:08,920 foil. I think it was National Geographic went out there and did some archaeology, 466 00:33:09,079 --> 00:33:15,400 got lots of beads of melted metal off the desert. So the parallel 467 00:33:15,519 --> 00:33:22,240 is stronger for Clonilla than it is for Rendelsham. Yeah, well you probably 468 00:33:22,279 --> 00:33:25,279 don't know this, but Colonel Holt is a good friend and wife. Hey, 469 00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:29,680 he's actually staying in my home and everything. So well, you probably 470 00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:37,400 don't know this, but I know Larry Warren because yeah, talks to a 471 00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:40,240 couple of groups that I've I've had in the past. So yeah, he 472 00:33:40,279 --> 00:33:45,880 only lives at about sixteen miles down the road. Who say hello to Larry? 473 00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:51,160 Telling Dave Youngster he will do. Yeah, Well, Larry's kind of 474 00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:52,599 over here in the summer, but I think he goes over to the States 475 00:33:52,599 --> 00:33:57,039 for his house over there for about six months. So next time he's back 476 00:33:57,079 --> 00:34:00,319 over, yeah, I'll say hi. Yeah, we know I know a 477 00:34:00,319 --> 00:34:06,200 lot about Larry Warren. Yeah, I do as well, talk about that 478 00:34:06,279 --> 00:34:10,719 off air. I mean I've been quite public. You're talking about him anyway, 479 00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:15,000 because we did a big investigation into him over over three years. So 480 00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:21,159 I know a lot about Larry Warren. Yeah, he's still a nice blow 481 00:34:21,199 --> 00:34:22,719 that he's a lovely fellow. But yeah, you do, yea until he 482 00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:29,360 starts giving you death threats like he was with. Yeah, it's the Hell's 483 00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:32,800 Angel in him, it's the biker in him. Yeah. He had a 484 00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:37,039 visit from the real Hell's Angels, didn't he. Yeah, and don't forget 485 00:34:37,039 --> 00:34:39,079 he lives in Liverpool. I mean, anybody who's up north knows that. 486 00:34:39,159 --> 00:34:42,760 You know, if you live in Liverpool, you're pretty hard, you don't. 487 00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:47,719 You don't pick a fight with the Yeah, he had a visit for 488 00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:52,320 the Hill's Angels telling him not to not to actually not to tell him that 489 00:34:52,679 --> 00:34:55,280 he was a Hell's Angel because he's not. Yeah, no, he doesn't. 490 00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:58,239 Well, he doesn't have the colors, he doesn't have the badges or 491 00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:04,159 anything. So be sure your sins will find you out. That's the moral, 492 00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:06,840 isn't it. Be sure your sins will find you out. We'll leave 493 00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:13,039 Larry alone now, Yeah, okay, we're talking about Larry Warren. We're 494 00:35:13,039 --> 00:35:15,000 not going to go Because he claimed he was in a music business and everything 495 00:35:15,119 --> 00:35:20,519 like that. Yeah, and he knew John Lennon will wreck crep. You 496 00:35:20,639 --> 00:35:23,920 do a lot of music yourself, understand I do. Indeed, that's really 497 00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:31,159 I suppose that's where my background is. For anybody that knows me, I 498 00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:35,480 was pretty much born to be a drummer. I was, you know, 499 00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:37,960 hitting a tin drummers an eighteen month old baby, and then I moved on 500 00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:42,079 to a drum kit when I was three. And it's always been in me 501 00:35:42,119 --> 00:35:46,800 to do it. So when let's get political, when when Thatcher cut all 502 00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:52,639 of the places at universities back in the nineteen eighty I was leaving Art College 503 00:35:52,679 --> 00:35:57,039 that year and there was nowhere really for me to go. They basically said, 504 00:35:57,079 --> 00:35:58,960 well, you know, you have to wait two or three years to 505 00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:01,280 go off to college, and me being you know, hey, I'm eighteen. 506 00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:04,599 I'm not hanging around for three years, you know what I mean? 507 00:36:04,639 --> 00:36:07,639 And I was working as a session drummer in a few of the studios up 508 00:36:07,679 --> 00:36:15,079 here, and one of them within a few months, within twelve months of 509 00:36:15,679 --> 00:36:21,079 kind of that career ender, one of the bands was offered a record deal. 510 00:36:21,159 --> 00:36:22,519 So that was it. I was off. From that point on. 511 00:36:23,599 --> 00:36:28,800 The band eventually became one known as the Tempest. They had three number one 512 00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:31,320 singles what have you. But the record company they signed with went bust, 513 00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:36,199 which was a shame, but it taught me a lot about the music business. 514 00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:37,880 I did a lot of the contractual side, the background side of it, 515 00:36:38,159 --> 00:36:40,800 which I thought was hilarious because I got it. I've got to tell 516 00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:45,360 you, I got into agenting and I got into managing bands. You want 517 00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:49,039 to see the look on people's faces when somebody walks up to like the guitarists 518 00:36:49,079 --> 00:36:51,480 or the singer or evan, They go, can we speak to the band's 519 00:36:51,559 --> 00:36:57,159 manager? And they all point at the drummery, you know. So I 520 00:36:57,239 --> 00:37:00,280 used to love that. That was hilarious. So I was they quote uote 521 00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:05,679 if he was, yeah, the leader of that, Yeah, exactly precisely. 522 00:37:06,079 --> 00:37:07,800 So yeah. So I was very much in the same mold as that 523 00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:10,719 for years. So I did loads. I must have done sessions for about 524 00:37:12,199 --> 00:37:15,559 maybe fifty bands over twenty one years, so met loads of people, had 525 00:37:15,559 --> 00:37:20,320 three or four record deals toured. You know, we'll be here all night 526 00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:22,400 if we talk about famous people are you know, bumped into and fell over 527 00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:27,719 and all that. I that to me, that was a that was my 528 00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:30,440 life lifting music in my life, man, you know that's what it was. 529 00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:34,920 But then because of all the hammer that drummers take, and he will 530 00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:38,480 tell you this, how the drummers are cursed. You either get was it 531 00:37:38,559 --> 00:37:43,920 let's trying to remember this piles and continence, or a bad back. Fortunately 532 00:37:44,079 --> 00:37:46,760 I got a bad back. That was lucky I got. I drew the 533 00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:50,559 best of the three. But it put me out of the business. I 534 00:37:50,599 --> 00:37:53,920 went out of the business in the nineteen nineties because me back eventually collapse. 535 00:37:54,039 --> 00:37:57,239 Because I mean, I've got to say, when you were when you see 536 00:37:57,320 --> 00:38:00,519 something good drummers in the store, they're sitting on a with the drum. 537 00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:05,199 Yeah, they look like if you've got you're there for a couple of hours 538 00:38:05,239 --> 00:38:07,800 doing that stuff. Yeah, day in day must be hard on your back. 539 00:38:08,199 --> 00:38:12,360 Well back in the day, so you're back in like the kind of 540 00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:15,840 started in the late sixties. So in the seventies and eighties the nineties, 541 00:38:15,719 --> 00:38:21,000 the drum technology was was backwards and people were saying, we need to get 542 00:38:21,159 --> 00:38:23,760 you know, proper backs on these seats, and we need to get them 543 00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:28,199 so that they support better. Well, I went out and actually bought a 544 00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:32,559 dentist chair nineteen fifties dentist chair after me spine collapsed. I mean, it's 545 00:38:32,599 --> 00:38:37,440 too late, but it's kept me playing. I've been able to continue playing. 546 00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:39,639 I was playing right up to earlier this year, I did a sessions 547 00:38:39,679 --> 00:38:45,159 for a band called Copperworm because they were putting out an album on one of 548 00:38:45,199 --> 00:38:49,599 these crowdfunding sites and there's no point me holding it up to the camera, 549 00:38:49,639 --> 00:38:53,760 which radio Hey, so yeah, so yeah, well I can show you 550 00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:58,639 because they are there. You go, we'll put this video version out anyway. 551 00:38:58,760 --> 00:39:01,599 Okay, well there's there's actual evidence. Yeah, I've seen that. 552 00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:05,440 Yeah, you might have done. It came up on my Facebook and a 553 00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:08,320 few other things. Yeah, well it's it's out anyway. It's out on 554 00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:13,719 band camp and et cetera. And it's good. It's eleven really good tracks 555 00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:16,599 on there because we did it live. I mean, you know, uniting 556 00:39:16,639 --> 00:39:20,360 about studio recording, everybody sort of builds the tracks up, you know, 557 00:39:20,360 --> 00:39:23,960 and everything's done and quantized and it's all machine So we took all of that 558 00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:28,840 away, and it's recorded the same way that they did albums in the nineteen 559 00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:31,159 sixties. So it's like three blokes in a room and it's one two, 560 00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:35,639 three go, and you know, so there are still one or two bands 561 00:39:35,639 --> 00:39:40,599 out writing as a as a recording as well. We didn't do that. 562 00:39:40,639 --> 00:39:45,360 We actually wrote the whole album. There were fifteen tracks in the original pre 563 00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:50,280 written sort oh we yeah, we predid it. But then the whole thing 564 00:39:50,360 --> 00:39:53,840 was recorded over three days live, you know, and then I produced it 565 00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:57,440 afterwards. It took quite a long time. Took quite a few months to 566 00:39:57,440 --> 00:40:00,519 produce it because obviously get lots of no ease and spillage and there's all kinds 567 00:40:00,519 --> 00:40:04,599 of cleanup and stuff you need to do. And it came out at the 568 00:40:04,639 --> 00:40:07,320 beginning of this year. So it's called Pilot, and it's by a band 569 00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:13,039 called copper Worm. So but I'm not with the band now because I just 570 00:40:13,079 --> 00:40:16,400 got overwhelmed with work over the summer. So they're off doing a few free 571 00:40:16,440 --> 00:40:20,480 festivals and sorting out what they're going to do later in the year. The 572 00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:24,199 band i'm working with now's Wolf, which is an interesting story because we got 573 00:40:24,199 --> 00:40:29,400 back together again. We were the high school band. We got together in 574 00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:32,320 nineteen seventy four. We did the first gig in nineteen seventy nine, and 575 00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:37,840 the last gig we did was about about four months ago because we all hit 576 00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:39,920 sixty at the same time. We said, oh well we'll do Wolf at 577 00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:43,519 two hundred and forty, you know, the combined age of the band. 578 00:40:43,639 --> 00:40:45,760 So we phoned up all we've got all our old fans, we've got we 579 00:40:45,840 --> 00:40:49,880 rears the old set that we were doing. We had a hell of a 580 00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:54,119 night in a brewery Facebook as well. Yeah. Yeah, there was a 581 00:40:54,159 --> 00:40:58,599 lot of photographs of footage and stuff went up of that. So there's there's 582 00:40:58,639 --> 00:41:05,159 not many bands that are still play, you know, Rolling Stones and yeah, 583 00:41:05,199 --> 00:41:07,920 the same line up, the same four of us, incest. I'll 584 00:41:08,599 --> 00:41:14,039 take my hat too if I was worried anyway, I'll do like a bit 585 00:41:14,079 --> 00:41:17,239 of rock. Give us a shack. A few names out who you met 586 00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:22,480 over the years. Oh gosh, I hate doing this. Uh well, 587 00:41:22,679 --> 00:41:25,199 I went for an audition in the Lake. It was it would be either 588 00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:29,320 late seventies or nineteen eighties, something like that. I went down for this. 589 00:41:29,519 --> 00:41:35,119 There was some guy in London, Canadian bloke that was looking to audition 590 00:41:35,239 --> 00:41:37,840 for a band, and he had a colored bass player. I can't remember 591 00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:42,199 where it was. I went to that and we played a few tracks and 592 00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:45,119 he recorded well what he said was. He was a bit cheeky because he 593 00:41:45,159 --> 00:41:47,440 said to all the drummers, he said, I'll record you all, play 594 00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:52,199 the recordings back and picked the best guy for the job. I didn't get 595 00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:55,039 the job, but my drum line ended up on run to You because it 596 00:41:55,199 --> 00:42:00,639 was Brian Adams. So so the funny thing is if you listened to Run 597 00:42:00,679 --> 00:42:02,280 to You, it starts off with clicking. You know, he's playing the 598 00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:07,039 guitar and it's going click, click, click click. That's because I didn't 599 00:42:07,079 --> 00:42:10,440 know the song on my recording. So but when he came to do the 600 00:42:10,559 --> 00:42:14,559 song, he left the clicks. He put the clicks in, so I 601 00:42:14,639 --> 00:42:17,239 was like, oh, okay, that's most definitely my recording. You know, 602 00:42:19,119 --> 00:42:22,840 so obviously replaced me. So you get money? No, no, 603 00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:27,079 because I was only doing an audition. Who also have the audition for Little 604 00:42:27,119 --> 00:42:31,840 Angels were quite a big band White Snake. But that's a long time ago, 605 00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:39,159 back to the well it was it was eighties when things eighty one or 606 00:42:39,199 --> 00:42:44,039 something when that came up. I wrote for the job with bon Jovie, 607 00:42:44,079 --> 00:42:47,719 but I didn't get it. That's kind of understandable, isn't it. I've 608 00:42:47,800 --> 00:42:52,320 met I met Aussie, I've met I'm just trying to go through the list. 609 00:42:53,639 --> 00:43:00,400 Simply read slash out of guns and roses. I met him all of 610 00:43:00,519 --> 00:43:06,239 I met all of the Rolling Stones except Mick Jagger because their support band was 611 00:43:07,519 --> 00:43:09,119 Dan Reid Network when they came to Manchester, and I was part of the 612 00:43:09,199 --> 00:43:13,000 Dan Read Network entourage. So we all we all finished up in the Middleland 613 00:43:13,079 --> 00:43:15,480 hotel afterwards, and the Stones are all sat around, you know, all 614 00:43:15,599 --> 00:43:20,280 doing their own things. They're all very different. He's probably in the Ronnie 615 00:43:20,280 --> 00:43:23,000 Wood days, is it the Yeah, it was because bron Jones was an 616 00:43:23,039 --> 00:43:28,440 original that supposed no, no, this is after Jones. It's nineteen nineties. 617 00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:34,719 It would have been early nineties. But yeah, still with them always 618 00:43:34,760 --> 00:43:37,480 like I think it was Bill Wyman. Yeah, but but Mick wouldn't come 619 00:43:37,519 --> 00:43:39,960 out of his dressing room, so out of his hotel room. So I 620 00:43:40,039 --> 00:43:44,320 met all the others but not him. So and of course I met the 621 00:43:44,360 --> 00:43:46,920 Dan Reid Networkers, another band that people might remember from the nineteen nineties. 622 00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:51,360 And but I could just go on and on. It's a huge list. 623 00:43:52,159 --> 00:43:57,960 Who else have I met? Stevie Vy and Little Stevie Vy, Thomas mccrocklin 624 00:43:58,039 --> 00:44:01,360 who he was training up at the time him and just yeah, it goes 625 00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:07,719 on all of the band Gravy Trainer at them back in the seventies and anyway, 626 00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:13,840 you're still doing it. And so with this wolf doing any recordings of 627 00:44:14,320 --> 00:44:17,559 um, we've got probably six original songs, which it doesn't sound like a 628 00:44:17,639 --> 00:44:21,920 lot, but a couple of them are anthems, so they're like, you 629 00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:27,920 know, twenty odd minutes long. So yeah, I'm trying to think whether 630 00:44:28,119 --> 00:44:34,480 we We've we put a live version of them out on a site called what 631 00:44:34,599 --> 00:44:37,400 was it called? Anyway, he's no point because it doesn't exist anymore. 632 00:44:37,599 --> 00:44:40,440 The site disappeared in the material goes with it. So we are thinking about 633 00:44:40,760 --> 00:44:44,280 doing it properly and putting it out again. You know, it's about time 634 00:44:44,320 --> 00:44:49,719 we did. We've waited about forty five years, the whole albums first, 635 00:44:49,840 --> 00:44:51,719 what it is. Yeah, yeah, we could do the We can do 636 00:44:51,840 --> 00:44:53,519 the tracks we've got and as we are still writing, you know, we're 637 00:44:53,559 --> 00:44:58,800 still producing them. I'm hanging out quite a lot with a keyboard player at 638 00:44:58,840 --> 00:45:04,480 the moment who does pen Dragon Arena and occasionally Marillion, so he's fairly well 639 00:45:04,559 --> 00:45:07,159 known. I'm trying to think of else. I know all the lads from 640 00:45:07,159 --> 00:45:09,760 the Quest as well, and quite friendly with the drummer. He keeps doing. 641 00:45:10,079 --> 00:45:15,639 We did a Sacred Wind, which like Viking rock but comedy. We 642 00:45:15,760 --> 00:45:21,079 did that for charity before Lockdown. We did a thing then in the twenty 643 00:45:21,280 --> 00:45:24,239 eighteen twenty nineteen. So I'm just I'm constantly doing stuff. I know all 644 00:45:24,239 --> 00:45:28,639 the lads in hay Seed Dixie. If anybody wants to go out and check 645 00:45:28,679 --> 00:45:34,039 out hay Seed Dixie. They're brilliant hillbilly cover versions of popular songs, popular 646 00:45:34,119 --> 00:45:37,840 rock songs. So you imagine, you know, like backing Black played on 647 00:45:37,920 --> 00:45:39,880 Banjo's you know, and all that kind of stuff. It's they're fabulous. 648 00:45:39,920 --> 00:45:44,559 They're well worth checking out. Just I'm working all the time constantly. I'm 649 00:45:44,599 --> 00:45:51,039 working with folks, you know, more recently doing some DVDs for them. 650 00:45:51,119 --> 00:45:55,280 I've done you know, video production for a few. So yeah, I 651 00:45:55,599 --> 00:46:00,599 just constantly. So you have the band members, do they sort of talk 652 00:46:00,639 --> 00:46:06,000 about UFOs or anything like that? Means you do you know anything paranormald these 653 00:46:06,039 --> 00:46:09,280 sort of interests as well. Yeah, what sends to happen is all all 654 00:46:09,280 --> 00:46:15,719 the musicians I know obviously their passions, music bought and this is most important. 655 00:46:16,239 --> 00:46:21,920 Anybody who's a producer that produces anything knows that you need music. You 656 00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:23,559 know, you need scene tunes, you need background music, you know, 657 00:46:23,760 --> 00:46:29,440 atmosphere. You know, there's so much of what we see in media relies 658 00:46:29,519 --> 00:46:35,679 on music that then of course over spills into their interests. I mean, 659 00:46:35,880 --> 00:46:38,719 I sold a drum kit to Jimmy Page back in the nineteen eighties. His 660 00:46:38,920 --> 00:46:43,960 main interest is Alister Crowley. So there's a great, great example of the 661 00:46:44,480 --> 00:46:47,039 line crops up quite a lot in the rock business. Yeah he does. 662 00:46:47,159 --> 00:46:51,159 Yeah, he gets around a bit. Crowley' is an odd one of don't 663 00:46:51,159 --> 00:46:54,079 get me started on Crowley flipping out. Half of what he wrote is brilliant 664 00:46:54,119 --> 00:46:59,760 and the other half's complete nonsense. And you've show Alister, well, you've 665 00:46:59,800 --> 00:47:02,119 got I think like Crowley to know Crowley and I'll leave it there, I'll 666 00:47:02,199 --> 00:47:07,280 park it there. That's probably on safe ground. So yeah, there's there's 667 00:47:07,320 --> 00:47:08,719 a huge overlap. But with the lads that I'm with at the moment, 668 00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:14,239 the bass players basically a biker and he's a blues guy. The lead the 669 00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:17,519 lead chap he's retired now and he was he did a lot of work over 670 00:47:17,639 --> 00:47:21,760 in China, and stuff that he had bands over in China when he lived 671 00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:23,400 over there, so he's got a completely different kind of background to that, 672 00:47:23,519 --> 00:47:29,880 but very kind of seventies you know, super rocker, very much like Paige, 673 00:47:30,239 --> 00:47:32,679 very much in that kind of thing. The lead singer hadn't sung for 674 00:47:32,719 --> 00:47:37,679 about forty years and we pulled him out of retirement for the reunion, so 675 00:47:37,840 --> 00:47:40,559 he's just kind of dragging himself back. But he likes kind of you know, 676 00:47:40,599 --> 00:47:45,159 the Midwest American sound and all that, so not, I don't know, 677 00:47:45,239 --> 00:47:46,880 we're all so different, you know, we're diverse. It's what keeps 678 00:47:46,960 --> 00:47:51,480 us going. I think, you know, the variety. So I'm the 679 00:47:51,599 --> 00:47:53,840 real you know, I'm all all about ancient aliens and stuff like that. 680 00:47:53,960 --> 00:47:59,440 And they sort of have a laugh occasionally at my expense. But you know, 681 00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:04,400 if you ever try to right, you know, sort of inert into 682 00:48:04,480 --> 00:48:07,880 songs or whatever, Yeah, that's obviously a lots some bends do well. 683 00:48:07,960 --> 00:48:09,480 Like I say, it's almost the other way around. What usually happens is 684 00:48:09,559 --> 00:48:13,719 somebody comes up with a really good tune and they go off and record it 685 00:48:14,199 --> 00:48:17,079 and then it ends up in a documentary. So for example, because it 686 00:48:17,159 --> 00:48:22,679 was reality films from the States that did the UFO documentary in two thousand and 687 00:48:22,840 --> 00:48:29,119 eight. Their bands appear on the documentary, which I think at that time 688 00:48:29,239 --> 00:48:31,840 was a band called freak House. I'm trying to remember who the different groups, 689 00:48:31,840 --> 00:48:35,320 so let me do some name dropping. I've got the credit see in 690 00:48:35,360 --> 00:48:37,679 the back of the books. I'll tell you exactly who did the soundtrack. 691 00:48:38,000 --> 00:48:43,480 Let me just have a soul Path, which is a UK band. I 692 00:48:43,760 --> 00:48:46,519 was doing a session drumming with them. That was a great gig. Actually, 693 00:48:46,519 --> 00:48:52,280 we did one of the very first, very early internet radio broadcasts live 694 00:48:52,320 --> 00:48:57,199 and we literally played a live gig right across the world, you know, 695 00:48:57,400 --> 00:49:01,199 via the Internet, from the back of the King Arthur Pubbing Glastonbury. So 696 00:49:01,400 --> 00:49:06,719 you talk about you talk about crossover, you know, I mean, and 697 00:49:06,840 --> 00:49:10,199 they then go on they go on then to supply soundtrack for you know, 698 00:49:10,320 --> 00:49:14,719 for the the Europe's Roswell. Yeah, it was it was Soule Path and 699 00:49:14,800 --> 00:49:20,840 Freakhouse that did the soundtrack for Europe's Roswell. So that there's a huge overlap, 700 00:49:21,159 --> 00:49:23,559 you know, in in uh in that sort of thing. You know, 701 00:49:23,639 --> 00:49:28,719 it's media, it's it's media in general. I kind of have a 702 00:49:28,760 --> 00:49:32,360 reputation for picking you know, kick ass soundtracks. That's that's my thing. 703 00:49:32,519 --> 00:49:36,440 If I have a documentary, the soundtrack's got to be really good. When 704 00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:37,719 we did Lost Treasures, I met, I met all of Night Wish. 705 00:49:38,039 --> 00:49:44,159 They did the theme tune for Lost Treasures for a TV It's a thing called 706 00:49:44,199 --> 00:49:47,239 ghost Love Score, and that was interesting time back in two thousand and five, 707 00:49:47,400 --> 00:49:51,840 four oh, four oh five, and I was chatting to them and 708 00:49:51,880 --> 00:49:54,559 I said, do you think you could supply the album with no no singing 709 00:49:54,639 --> 00:49:58,440 on it so we can use it in the background. They're like, yeah, 710 00:49:58,480 --> 00:50:00,760 I think we could do that. So this enters this this disc that 711 00:50:00,840 --> 00:50:05,840 they'd obviously burnt themselves, you know, of the album once but with all 712 00:50:05,840 --> 00:50:09,719 the vocals took off next minute. About two years later, they've released it 713 00:50:09,800 --> 00:50:14,679 as an album with no vocals on. So they obviously thought it was good 714 00:50:14,840 --> 00:50:16,679 enough, and they've done that with a few albums since, you know, 715 00:50:16,800 --> 00:50:20,280 but that came from us. That was something we asked them to do. 716 00:50:21,679 --> 00:50:25,480 It's an enormous, absolutely immense, you know, overlap, and they were 717 00:50:25,559 --> 00:50:29,559 really pleased. And that was how can I put it? It was an 718 00:50:29,679 --> 00:50:37,400 archaeologically investigative show that wasn't afraid to drift into the supernatural, you know, 719 00:50:37,519 --> 00:50:42,239 and other issues. It became a really sort of heady mix of stuff like 720 00:50:42,400 --> 00:50:45,639 that. We dealt with life after death, then with ghosts, folklore, 721 00:50:45,920 --> 00:50:50,559 you know, all kinds of issues we dealt with in that Witchcraft, all 722 00:50:50,639 --> 00:50:53,639 sorts of stuff in that show. And I can give it a plug. 723 00:50:54,880 --> 00:51:01,000 I've just had a deal with a company called Drake Michigan. They have space 724 00:51:01,199 --> 00:51:06,000 on a server to put stuff out, and so what I've done is all 725 00:51:06,079 --> 00:51:10,599 the back catalog is going onto the internet now, so you can actually, 726 00:51:10,679 --> 00:51:15,760 for the first time in eighteen years, you can go and watch Lost Treasures. 727 00:51:15,159 --> 00:51:19,360 Season one's out there with extras, Season two's out there with extras, 728 00:51:19,639 --> 00:51:22,760 and season three's about to be released in a few weeks time. So it's 729 00:51:22,800 --> 00:51:29,239 back out there now you can go and watch it. I'm gonna going to 730 00:51:29,920 --> 00:51:32,960 have a little direction here with music. Do you know about Mark Devlin? 731 00:51:34,840 --> 00:51:40,119 He writes about Satanism being used in music and PI, yes, you know. 732 00:51:40,280 --> 00:51:44,800 I mean, what are you? What's your opinions on there? Okay, 733 00:51:44,840 --> 00:51:47,000 if you've got any, well, I've got loads. Actually, it's 734 00:51:47,000 --> 00:51:51,679 an enormous rabbit hole. I've just hesitated trying to find a starting point. 735 00:51:52,639 --> 00:51:54,519 Suffice to say, in the nineteen nineties, I trained as a vicar, 736 00:51:55,280 --> 00:51:59,360 so I've done me three years at Bible College, got all the qualifications and 737 00:51:59,400 --> 00:52:01,960 all of that, and that point, you know, there was this why 738 00:52:02,000 --> 00:52:07,000 should the devil have all the good music kind of attitude going around, and 739 00:52:07,239 --> 00:52:14,920 people began to investigate, and I would say repportionately, there's about as much 740 00:52:15,079 --> 00:52:22,199 occult content in the music business as you would find in any other media based 741 00:52:22,360 --> 00:52:29,880 business, you know. So let's let's hypothetical or anywhere else for that any 742 00:52:30,119 --> 00:52:32,920 you know, society, you know. I mean, let's say once upon 743 00:52:32,960 --> 00:52:37,159 a time, ten percent of people Christians, well probably ten percent were into 744 00:52:37,199 --> 00:52:40,800 the occult Satanism. And you've got to be very careful because it is it 745 00:52:42,000 --> 00:52:45,159 is a snake that eats its own tail. So it's like you've got all 746 00:52:45,159 --> 00:52:50,400 these Luciferians and Satanists and chaos magicians go, yeah, you know, devil, 747 00:52:50,440 --> 00:52:53,400 this devil, Satan, the other lucifer fallen angel And as soon as 748 00:52:53,440 --> 00:52:58,920 you start to push into that, the six hundred and eighty references that they're 749 00:52:58,960 --> 00:53:04,480 basing their religion on come out of the Bible. So you're like m Okay, 750 00:53:04,800 --> 00:53:07,159 that is the serpent eating its tail. You know, it's what you 751 00:53:07,239 --> 00:53:13,079 do with it, It's what you do with that information. Yeah, basically 752 00:53:13,119 --> 00:53:15,800 the answers. Yes, there's there is a lot of material out there like 753 00:53:15,000 --> 00:53:20,039 that. They had backward masking, you know, reverse messages in yea. 754 00:53:20,400 --> 00:53:24,199 There seems to be quite final apparently. And symbolism. It's symbolism now and 755 00:53:25,360 --> 00:53:30,840 visuals and lyrics because the media has moved on. You can't get hold of 756 00:53:30,880 --> 00:53:36,880 a plastic record now, dump it on a turntable and wind it backwards with 757 00:53:36,960 --> 00:53:39,320 the needle. You know, that's old tech. It's very old tech. 758 00:53:39,639 --> 00:53:44,760 It's quite hard to run a digital recording backwards. Actually, so some of 759 00:53:44,840 --> 00:53:46,280 those backwards I mean, the one that tickle will be up was you know 760 00:53:46,360 --> 00:53:51,000 when Queen put out another one, bites the Dust and don't ask me who 761 00:53:51,079 --> 00:53:53,920 did it. Some numpty you know ran that backwards and apparently backwards it says 762 00:53:54,079 --> 00:54:00,400 it's fun to smoke marijuana. That's another one, bites the Dust going backwards. 763 00:54:00,440 --> 00:54:02,159 Apparently. Well that one tickled me up no end, because this is 764 00:54:02,159 --> 00:54:06,880 getting silly now, you know what I mean. They're really stretching it. 765 00:54:07,000 --> 00:54:10,639 I know, there's quite a few dark messages they written, especially like Madonna 766 00:54:10,800 --> 00:54:17,800 records. Apparently they justify my love apparently comes out as something I love the 767 00:54:17,880 --> 00:54:22,880 devil or something or this loads. Yeah, this absolutely loads like that. 768 00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:24,199 I mean. Some of the best ones are a lot of people are probably 769 00:54:24,239 --> 00:54:29,079 not aware of. Is if you go on Kate Bush's album The Dreaming and 770 00:54:29,159 --> 00:54:30,599 I can't remember which tracks, I don't ask me. There's a track on 771 00:54:30,679 --> 00:54:37,480 their where there's a witch covern in full swing doing the backing track on one 772 00:54:37,519 --> 00:54:39,639 of the tracks, but it's run backwards, so if you want to know 773 00:54:39,679 --> 00:54:44,360 what they're actually chanting, you have to reverse the record. And there's a 774 00:54:44,440 --> 00:54:47,079 one there's a let me try and remember what this is? Who did h 775 00:54:49,000 --> 00:54:52,679 Moody Blues. There's a Moody Blues album and it's I think it's called Done 776 00:54:52,760 --> 00:54:58,679 with Mirrors, and the clue is in the title, so yeah, done 777 00:54:58,719 --> 00:55:02,800 with Mirrors. And you'll find there's messages in the background of that, you 778 00:55:02,920 --> 00:55:06,119 know. And then I mean the classic ones, don't Fear the Reaper. 779 00:55:06,159 --> 00:55:08,599 You know, people are always blaming people for committing suicide for listening to that, 780 00:55:08,760 --> 00:55:13,079 you know, So there are messages and you can get conditioned, you 781 00:55:13,159 --> 00:55:15,519 know, you imagine all the dance floor, you know, back in the 782 00:55:15,639 --> 00:55:20,920 nineteen whatever it was singing We're on yeah, yeah, yeah, Okay. 783 00:55:21,320 --> 00:55:24,079 I mean definitely seems to think that a lot of the big names are actually 784 00:55:24,199 --> 00:55:29,920 chosen by the apes if you like to be the next big thing. I 785 00:55:30,000 --> 00:55:34,880 don't know how far that's true, to be honest, but he's saying, 786 00:55:35,039 --> 00:55:39,840 especially in now the hip hop culture. Well, having worked in the industry, 787 00:55:39,880 --> 00:55:45,679 I can categorically say that the guys who are on stage, who are 788 00:55:45,840 --> 00:55:49,079 you know, making the music, they are not the ones in control. 789 00:55:49,679 --> 00:55:53,519 Historically it's always been you know, the gray suits back at the office who 790 00:55:53,599 --> 00:55:58,119 are doing most of the leg work, the donkey work for the band, 791 00:55:58,639 --> 00:56:01,880 sort of an awful lot of on behind the scenes. And again, like 792 00:56:01,960 --> 00:56:06,360 anything else, it depends when you get involved with you know who, you 793 00:56:06,480 --> 00:56:12,800 sign your life away too. I the deals I had were either extremely good 794 00:56:13,000 --> 00:56:17,039 or I didn't sign them, and I always tried to find out ultimately you 795 00:56:17,159 --> 00:56:22,719 know who was behind it all. But since the sixties, seventies and eighties, 796 00:56:22,320 --> 00:56:28,079 going into the nineties, the music business has centralized. All media has 797 00:56:28,159 --> 00:56:32,840 Television has centralized, the internet has centralized, as certain big boys, big 798 00:56:32,920 --> 00:56:37,880 boy companies that have pulled everything together, and you really, ultimately you have 799 00:56:38,000 --> 00:56:42,760 to find out who's behind it all before you commit yourself, you know, 800 00:56:42,840 --> 00:56:49,199 to doing anything. Yeah. Yeah, So I'm not so sure anybody's sold 801 00:56:49,239 --> 00:56:52,880 a soul to the devil. I wouldn't go that far. I mean, 802 00:56:53,000 --> 00:56:57,079 I was actually quite shocked. But with Mark Devding's books, I mean, 803 00:56:57,159 --> 00:57:02,920 anyone interested in this type of thing recommend marked Everything's the Musical Truth will think 804 00:57:04,079 --> 00:57:06,679 is called. And he's done three volumes. He's done three volumes of it 805 00:57:06,840 --> 00:57:10,199 now I'm still on volume one, and some of it is quite shocking, 806 00:57:10,360 --> 00:57:15,679 even the things like the Beatles and suggesting that Paul McCartney may have died back 807 00:57:15,719 --> 00:57:23,519 in the nineteen sixty I can't believe that myself. It just seems so ridiculous. 808 00:57:24,320 --> 00:57:30,480 But knowing what we know about how the world's running nowadays, is it 809 00:57:30,599 --> 00:57:35,760 so ridiculous? You know? It's um I mean to put it on the 810 00:57:35,840 --> 00:57:39,360 record. I know there have been occasions where they've used body doubles, but 811 00:57:39,559 --> 00:57:45,000 I'm not sure that those body doubles would go so far as to appear on 812 00:57:45,199 --> 00:57:50,880 stage to impersonate who they were. The other side of it as well, 813 00:57:51,000 --> 00:57:54,119 is what about tribute bands? Because when I started off, there was no 814 00:57:54,239 --> 00:57:59,159 such thing as a tribute band, and now there are a lot of people 815 00:57:59,239 --> 00:58:04,320 out there who are literally copying and mimicking famous people, and they're doing it 816 00:58:04,519 --> 00:58:13,159 extremely well. So impersonnel, everybody ever pick any band you like. You 817 00:58:13,239 --> 00:58:15,960 know, there's a Sabbath tribute as a quote tribute, and I made and 818 00:58:15,039 --> 00:58:17,360 tribute. So if I was at a band, Let's say I was in 819 00:58:17,440 --> 00:58:21,559 somebody really big and famous, you know, a White Snake or whatever, 820 00:58:22,000 --> 00:58:25,920 and all of a sudden something happened to our bass player and he wasn't enormously 821 00:58:27,039 --> 00:58:30,599 well known, Well, you could swap him for somebody out of a tribute 822 00:58:30,639 --> 00:58:34,559 band for a couple of gigs and most people wouldn't even notice. I wouldn't 823 00:58:34,559 --> 00:58:37,480 even realize it had happened. So somebody came to me and they said, 824 00:58:37,559 --> 00:58:39,960 yeah, they've been using you know, Joe Bloggs as a session player from 825 00:58:40,760 --> 00:58:45,000 you know, White Snail. Then I'd be like, yeah, okay, 826 00:58:45,239 --> 00:58:49,760 fair, fair us. You know the show, the show must go on. 827 00:58:50,079 --> 00:58:52,840 You know, yeah, I did do that. I think even the 828 00:58:52,880 --> 00:58:55,960 peoples did that back in the sixties, didn't they. When I think one 829 00:58:57,000 --> 00:58:59,760 of them went sick, or that was John or George. I think it 830 00:59:00,000 --> 00:59:05,400 what I've been when they brought in another player, obviously, but they were 831 00:59:05,400 --> 00:59:08,679 so famous everyone everyone would have known that anyway. But I yes, you 832 00:59:08,760 --> 00:59:12,360 know, if all the Beatles are unique, really, I mean, you 833 00:59:12,480 --> 00:59:15,360 can't. You can't swap out a Beatle and not have somebody noticed, so 834 00:59:15,599 --> 00:59:20,039 they say. But when they say if it's true about Paul McCartney, we 835 00:59:20,119 --> 00:59:22,760 don't know, don't. I can't believe it. I mean, they've got 836 00:59:22,880 --> 00:59:27,400 they've got to find someone whose sounds like him, plays the guitar left hand, 837 00:59:27,480 --> 00:59:30,119 he plays bass. Yeah, yeah, it's it's to me. He 838 00:59:30,239 --> 00:59:36,920 knows all the material and wings songs the same where as Paul McCartney does. 839 00:59:37,039 --> 00:59:40,199 Yeah, it's I mean, if they did that, it would be particularly 840 00:59:40,320 --> 00:59:44,400 daring because all the back catalogs come out, hasn't it. They've had all 841 00:59:44,440 --> 00:59:46,760 the Beatles, the release of the lost material, you know, and stuff 842 00:59:46,800 --> 00:59:50,639 going all the way back to the early demos. So you're not telling me 843 00:59:50,760 --> 00:59:53,320 somebody wouldn't spot at some point, you know, something had changed and all 844 00:59:53,400 --> 01:00:00,239 that. And McCartney as well, he is legally as the author of quite 845 01:00:00,280 --> 01:00:05,440 a lot of that material. It would have to be from a law point 846 01:00:05,519 --> 01:00:08,000 of view, McCartney, it would have to be him, you know, 847 01:00:08,119 --> 01:00:13,239 to control that. I don't think the men in Gray. I don't think 848 01:00:13,239 --> 01:00:15,079 the Gray suits, the lawyers and all the rest of it. I don't 849 01:00:15,079 --> 01:00:21,599 think they would tolerate a replacement because they're really they're really uptight about things like 850 01:00:21,719 --> 01:00:23,639 that. You know, So you sell a lot of his material to Michael 851 01:00:23,719 --> 01:00:28,480 Jackson. Jackson owns l I think, yeah, yeah, Jackson actually cut 852 01:00:28,800 --> 01:00:30,559 the Paul McCartney and the beect, didn't he when he brought up all the 853 01:00:30,679 --> 01:00:37,239 pump all the Beatles stuff because Cartney was on. I think they sort of 854 01:00:37,280 --> 01:00:40,960 fell out as well because the bust up. Yeah, they made the records 855 01:00:42,000 --> 01:00:45,280 together, didn't And then I think Paul McCartney went on to Jackson that he 856 01:00:45,400 --> 01:00:47,840 was going to be getting old of all the Beatle's material, and Jackson stepped 857 01:00:47,880 --> 01:00:52,199 him in the Beckham bought it all before he did. And yes, jumped 858 01:00:52,199 --> 01:00:54,280 the gun, Yeah, jumped the gun. But that's another question. It's 859 01:00:54,320 --> 01:01:00,440 Michael Jackson really dead? Yeah, Well, don't ask why opinion that one. 860 01:01:00,840 --> 01:01:05,920 I was never gone all night. Well, I've heard all the stories 861 01:01:05,920 --> 01:01:08,679 about it'll be still being a lie. But so I've never I've never believed 862 01:01:08,719 --> 01:01:13,679 he was. You know, well, like I said in Many in Black, 863 01:01:13,719 --> 01:01:16,480 he's gone home. Yeah, he's just gone home. But oh things. 864 01:01:16,719 --> 01:01:21,280 I met a few of Elvis's close friends that see back in the early 865 01:01:21,360 --> 01:01:24,599 eighties when they came over right, and they told me what they told a 866 01:01:24,679 --> 01:01:31,880 few people that were Yeah, when I met Joey Spositos his beniture actually yeah, 867 01:01:32,159 --> 01:01:37,159 he was actually Grayson when they'll be started. So yeah, yeah, 868 01:01:37,199 --> 01:01:38,920 I was gonna say I've seen him, but he was interviewed in the documentary 869 01:01:38,960 --> 01:01:44,360 fairly recently, and there's no doubt they did a forensic thing anyway, they've 870 01:01:44,360 --> 01:01:46,280 done a forensic thing for him. They did a forensic thing for Michael Jackson 871 01:01:46,599 --> 01:01:51,639 on one and two others and very convincing show. Indeed, you know they're 872 01:01:51,679 --> 01:01:53,440 death as far as Anderson, they're gone. You know, they're definitely gone. 873 01:01:54,800 --> 01:02:00,880 Well did you see the new Elvis movie? That's all I've seen bits 874 01:02:00,920 --> 01:02:02,599 of it. What a movie. I've got to say. He did a 875 01:02:02,639 --> 01:02:07,280 cracking job, absolutely phenomenal job. The other one that, the other one 876 01:02:07,320 --> 01:02:15,119 that really impressed me was was the Queen movie. Yeah, things out I 877 01:02:15,199 --> 01:02:16,039 mean, really, you should have got asked us for that as far as 878 01:02:16,079 --> 01:02:20,960 long. Yeah, yeah, it's funny because a lot of these music films 879 01:02:21,079 --> 01:02:25,559 don't seem to win, you know, they just don't. Was it? 880 01:02:25,880 --> 01:02:32,119 What was it? Lady Gargard did the one, Oh she's a still one 881 01:02:32,159 --> 01:02:36,719 about a female singer. Oh yeah, it was a remake, you know, 882 01:02:36,800 --> 01:02:42,320 the one I mean a star It was still something else. It might 883 01:02:42,639 --> 01:02:45,079 have been something like that. Yeah, I think it was a story. 884 01:02:45,519 --> 01:02:46,800 Yeah, I think it might be. Yeah, because this is her and 885 01:02:46,920 --> 01:02:51,559 there's the guy you used to be, Chris Christofferson and somebody else and yeah, 886 01:02:52,360 --> 01:02:54,440 I remember the original film. But yeah, she did a fantastic job 887 01:02:54,480 --> 01:02:59,320 of that. You know, she's she's really weird and she's really crazy. 888 01:02:59,400 --> 01:03:01,159 But I have to say I've got a lot of respect for Lady Gaga because 889 01:03:01,639 --> 01:03:07,199 she's really intelligent. When you actually start anything. We were talking about sat 890 01:03:07,280 --> 01:03:10,199 phenomenal and if you read the if you read the Mark Depine book, apparently 891 01:03:10,400 --> 01:03:17,920 Lady Gargles for me into Satanism. But yeah, I didn't. Well, 892 01:03:19,400 --> 01:03:22,000 when you say that that that's my definition should just be weird. She's she's 893 01:03:22,079 --> 01:03:27,480 into so many things. She's very hard to pigeonhole. Yeah yeah, but 894 01:03:27,679 --> 01:03:30,199 she's she's a good example of you know, she crawled up from nothing to 895 01:03:30,360 --> 01:03:35,679 become who she is now. So you're bound to have a few strange ideas 896 01:03:35,719 --> 01:03:38,679 if you've had a bumpy road, you know. Yeah, well she has 897 01:03:38,679 --> 01:03:44,199 a music business, you know, it choosed people and spits them out. 898 01:03:44,599 --> 01:03:46,960 Yeah. Yeah, Well we recently lost Tony Bennett, who did a song 899 01:03:47,039 --> 01:03:52,639 with Lady Garghole, didn't he as well? Yeah, that's off to Lady 900 01:03:52,679 --> 01:03:58,840 Gaga. She's done some phenomenal you know things over the years. Has anyway 901 01:03:58,880 --> 01:04:02,159 we sort of just off the normal scene. But I don't know, Lady 902 01:04:02,199 --> 01:04:06,440 Gaga brings you all the way back because if you watched American Horror Story, 903 01:04:08,440 --> 01:04:14,320 she's in the series Hotel. There's the Murder Hotel, and she actually plays 904 01:04:14,599 --> 01:04:18,639 a vampire who lives off blood and she lives forever and they have you know, 905 01:04:18,719 --> 01:04:23,480 Jeffrey Darma and lots of other murderers apparently stopped at this hotel. It's 906 01:04:23,519 --> 01:04:27,159 based on a real hotel and she's in it. American Horror Story. So 907 01:04:27,599 --> 01:04:31,159 she has a phenomenal interest in the supernatural. So I think is they're still 908 01:04:31,239 --> 01:04:34,199 running because I actually I think I saw the first two seasons of it. 909 01:04:35,639 --> 01:04:40,320 Yeah, I think that they did season one to nine, which I think 910 01:04:40,400 --> 01:04:43,480 was was pretty good. I've seen I don't know, maybe six seasons or 911 01:04:43,519 --> 01:04:45,480 seven seasons of them, and then somebody said, oh, they've come back 912 01:04:45,519 --> 01:04:49,320 and started making them again. Apparently the new ones, the new ones are 913 01:04:49,360 --> 01:04:53,119 not a patch on the on the original ones. You know, the first 914 01:04:53,159 --> 01:04:56,440 couple of seasons were quite good. But I think that American Horror Story they 915 01:04:56,519 --> 01:04:58,880 kind of tracked them out little bit. I think that's the problem with some 916 01:04:58,960 --> 01:05:00,920 of these things. Yeah, you know, yeah, if they were to 917 01:05:01,039 --> 01:05:05,559 make them over six episodes rather than maybe ten, it's yeah, it might 918 01:05:05,639 --> 01:05:10,480 be better, you know. But there's a there's freak Show. There's one 919 01:05:10,519 --> 01:05:15,519 about the Witches, there's one about hotels, one about apocalypse. Yeah, 920 01:05:15,559 --> 01:05:18,119 freak Show's brilliant, absolutely genius piece of work. And again, none of 921 01:05:18,119 --> 01:05:21,159 them, none of them would any awards, you know, should have had 922 01:05:26,760 --> 01:05:30,000 oh amazing. But yeah, it does bring us quite neatly back to the 923 01:05:30,079 --> 01:05:34,000 supernatural because that's the kind of subject matter that that Garga was covering in Hotel. 924 01:05:34,880 --> 01:05:39,840 M hmm. So women show a game we're going to be talking about 925 01:05:39,920 --> 01:05:44,280 next time? Do you think, Oh, I don't know, I don't 926 01:05:44,320 --> 01:05:47,159 know. I am very tempted. Did we cover King Arthur? Have we 927 01:05:47,239 --> 01:05:53,679 been thinking you've got them, I've got the book. You're going to get 928 01:05:53,679 --> 01:05:56,400 you to scribbling even or see you in Manchester in a few weeks. Yeah, 929 01:05:56,400 --> 01:06:00,920 well I was going to say, now you actually got the now you've 930 01:06:00,920 --> 01:06:02,000 got it. Yeah, he's creeping up. Where are we now? Hey, 931 01:06:02,079 --> 01:06:04,519 it's August, the end of this week, so it's only about four 932 01:06:04,559 --> 01:06:08,760 weeks off actually August when this show goes out, So don't tell anyone. 933 01:06:09,280 --> 01:06:13,239 Okay, Hey, guess what, everybody, this thing was pre recorded. 934 01:06:13,599 --> 01:06:16,440 Don't worry about it. Yeah, it's only a couple of weeks when this 935 01:06:16,519 --> 01:06:19,880 show goes out. It's only a couple of weeks away. So oh yeah, 936 01:06:20,039 --> 01:06:24,519 yeah, that'd be fantastic looking forward to that. Maybe we should tackle 937 01:06:24,679 --> 01:06:29,000 because because of the nature of Awakening, maybe I have a look at crystal 938 01:06:29,079 --> 01:06:32,199 schools and human heads as a topic. That's the idea of the stretched heads 939 01:06:32,239 --> 01:06:36,679 and the alien schools, and you know, the parakhas the NASCAR, you 940 01:06:36,760 --> 01:06:41,159 know, all that sort of thing, and I'll float off into that territory 941 01:06:41,440 --> 01:06:45,199 and see what we'll do. We'll do it. Oh yeah, i'd be 942 01:06:45,239 --> 01:06:50,039 glad. I'll be glad to return. Yeah, just email me and we'll 943 01:06:50,039 --> 01:06:55,719 get the dates in the diary. Absolutely fantasy talking to again more and thank 944 01:06:55,719 --> 01:06:58,800 you so much for coming on. It's a pleasure now. So we'll be 945 01:06:58,840 --> 01:07:01,039 seeing you at me just in It's Manchester Awakening. I mean, I don't 946 01:07:01,079 --> 01:07:04,239 know any many other people out there have got tickets for it, or if 947 01:07:04,239 --> 01:07:08,159 you could still get tickets. I think you're almost sold out now, aren't 948 01:07:08,159 --> 01:07:13,360 they probably, But you're so but you never know. You'll be there as 949 01:07:14,239 --> 01:07:16,639 just basically like me, really just going there to enjoy and do well. 950 01:07:16,719 --> 01:07:20,800 Yeah, I'm going as me, but I'll be going as the bloke off 951 01:07:20,920 --> 01:07:25,079 Ancient Aliens and Lost Treasures, because that's basically who and what I am. 952 01:07:25,239 --> 01:07:28,039 So while i've got this beard, I'm more like, you know, I'm 953 01:07:28,039 --> 01:07:30,119 not Lost Treasures, I'm Ancient Aliens. When I've got this beard, by 954 01:07:30,480 --> 01:07:33,440 the time we reached the show, I'm going to have it platted or something, 955 01:07:33,559 --> 01:07:36,760 you know, the brushed over my head instead of hair or something. 956 01:07:36,840 --> 01:07:41,519 You know, it's it's getting really if only this wasn't just radio, you 957 01:07:41,599 --> 01:07:46,960 know. Yeah, well we can. We can put this video bush but 958 01:07:47,079 --> 01:07:51,440 I mean for people just listening to the audio. Yeah, Mark's got quite 959 01:07:51,440 --> 01:07:55,400 a nice big bushy farther Christmas Beard though if you call, well, yeah, 960 01:07:55,400 --> 01:07:57,760 it's farther Christmas, all right, I don't doubt about that. Yeah, 961 01:07:58,599 --> 01:08:00,960 they don't take us too far off the off the subject. It's not 962 01:08:00,079 --> 01:08:09,400 Satan clause Christmas. Well it was. It was like the occultists who sold 963 01:08:09,440 --> 01:08:15,400 his soul to Santa. The dyslexic occultist sold his soul to Santa. Oh 964 01:08:15,559 --> 01:08:19,960 dear, he was still on the subject. But I'll probably play you a 965 01:08:20,039 --> 01:08:23,520 trinkle or two. We might have been a dinner together or something. Would 966 01:08:23,560 --> 01:08:27,800 be definitely gonna have a catchup, gonna have a catchup, more to it 967 01:08:27,920 --> 01:08:30,479 than I might have remembered. How many famous people are fell over as well? 968 01:08:31,359 --> 01:08:34,920 On an interest on an interesting story, I was. I was in 969 01:08:34,960 --> 01:08:38,800 a rushing Manchester. He never told anybody this. It just just came to 970 01:08:38,840 --> 01:08:41,359 be there because we made me heads like that. It's like a tub of 971 01:08:41,399 --> 01:08:45,479 broken biscuits occasionally to come together. I'm running down this road in Manchester, 972 01:08:45,560 --> 01:08:47,640 I think it was Oxford Street and it had the BBC building on it and 973 01:08:47,760 --> 01:08:51,800 I'm not really paying attention and the door on this taxi opens, and anybody 974 01:08:51,880 --> 01:08:58,119 from our generation will remember a presenter called Russell Hearty. He was very famous. 975 01:08:58,159 --> 01:09:00,680 He presented loads of the BBC pro Anyway, I hit him at one 976 01:09:00,720 --> 01:09:04,680 hundred miles an hours out of this taxi. So I've got the probably the 977 01:09:04,720 --> 01:09:09,439 elder reputation with the only bloke to bulldozz like Russell Hearty in the middle of 978 01:09:09,520 --> 01:09:14,359 the street. You know times I think, didn't he he did in the 979 01:09:14,439 --> 01:09:16,880 interviews. Yeah, but I fell over Russell Hearty. I'm going to get 980 01:09:16,920 --> 01:09:21,119 on a T shirt one day. It's all coming back to me now. 981 01:09:23,319 --> 01:09:28,479 Remember a BBC brilliant Yeah yeah, anyway, Mark, I'll let you go 982 01:09:28,600 --> 01:09:30,640 there. Thank you very much for coming on, and it's been great talking 983 01:09:30,680 --> 01:09:35,439 to you, and absolutely so quickly again, but we should do that Crystal 984 01:09:35,520 --> 01:09:40,760 Skull show late in the year next one brilliant, Yeah, fantastic, brilliant. 985 01:09:41,439 --> 01:09:44,319 All right, thank you, thank you, Mark, and all right, 986 01:09:44,359 --> 01:09:45,760 look that to you and I'll see you in a couple of weeks. 987 01:09:46,039 --> 01:09:50,399 If you take care of yourself. Cheers boy, take care and there we 988 01:09:50,479 --> 01:09:54,479 all. That was Mark Bully. I think one thing I've learned over the 989 01:09:54,600 --> 01:09:59,000 years is don't too much for granted. Things are not always as they seen. 990 01:10:00,560 --> 01:10:02,800 Okay, my next show we'll be going out on August twenty second, 991 01:10:03,039 --> 01:10:10,399 and it's a mister Raymond McCarthy. Now ray or Raymond is actually a tour 992 01:10:10,479 --> 01:10:15,760 guide for Colchester here in Essex, and he actually does ghost tours and he 993 01:10:15,920 --> 01:10:19,119 also knows an awful lot about the ghosts in Colchester Castle. So that should 994 01:10:19,159 --> 01:10:23,560 be very interesting. In the meantime, if you'd like to get in touch 995 01:10:23,640 --> 01:10:28,359 with me at anytime, my email addresses David Young took you in at yahoo 996 01:10:28,640 --> 01:10:32,279 dot co dot uk. That's David Young took you in at Yahoo dot co 997 01:10:32,600 --> 01:10:36,840 dot uk. So we should look forward to the next show with Raymond McCarthy, 998 01:10:38,319 --> 01:10:42,640 and that's on August to twenty first, Monday, August twenty first, 999 01:10:43,119 --> 01:10:45,600 So until then, take care of everyone. I'll speak to you then bye 1000 01:10:45,680 --> 01:10:50,039 bye. I took it for granted, your tuget for granted. In science, 1001 01:10:50,119 --> 01:10:53,680 nothing has tickn for granted. But what are we going to do? 1002 01:10:54,159 --> 01:11:03,319 My dear? Is your complete during this time? Parable dimensions is as bright 1003 01:11:03,399 --> 01:11:10,000 and powerful as our celestial star that's up and although it's expending thousands of pounds 1004 01:11:10,039 --> 01:11:14,680 of energy every minute of the day. Have no fear, there's plenty left. 1005 01:12:13,680 --> 01:12:18,159 Paranormal Dimensions is fortnightly on Mondays on the Paranormal UK Radio Network.