1 00:00:24,679 --> 00:00:28,079 Hello, and welcome to the show. I'm Martin Willis your host, and 2 00:00:28,320 --> 00:00:31,600 we have a great show this evening. I'm pretty excited about our guest, 3 00:00:32,200 --> 00:00:35,960 Seth Breedlove. I'll talk about him in just a second. I do want 4 00:00:36,000 --> 00:00:39,960 to say that I do have a little bit of housekeeping, so I want 5 00:00:40,000 --> 00:00:45,399 everyone to please excuse the website. We're under going some work on it and 6 00:00:45,520 --> 00:00:50,119 it's being migrated. Hopefully it's active when you're checking it out, and you 7 00:00:50,159 --> 00:00:53,159 do want to go over there at this podcast UFO dot com, by the 8 00:00:53,200 --> 00:00:55,640 way, but you want to go over there because we have a great blog. 9 00:00:56,119 --> 00:01:00,679 It's one of two by Charles Lear and it's called the Kelly, Kentucky 10 00:01:00,880 --> 00:01:08,000 UFO Goblins. I don't know if anyone's ever looked into the Hopkinsville Goblins are 11 00:01:08,000 --> 00:01:11,920 called, or there's all different types of names for it. But this happened 12 00:01:11,959 --> 00:01:15,079 back I believe it was August in nineteen fifty five, and it seems like 13 00:01:15,120 --> 00:01:19,000 in the fifties there was a lot of things going on. It's a great 14 00:01:19,079 --> 00:01:23,400 story if you have not heard about it. It was actually a horrific night 15 00:01:23,480 --> 00:01:29,359 for a family. I think their name was the Langfords, and they were 16 00:01:30,159 --> 00:01:37,200 dealing with these beings that were on the roof, and there was fireshot shots 17 00:01:37,239 --> 00:01:42,480 fired, fire shot shots fired, and again it was a horrific night for 18 00:01:42,879 --> 00:01:48,359 that family. And again it's this is the first part of that story. 19 00:01:48,439 --> 00:01:52,560 Check it out over at podcast ufo dot com. I want to thank everyone 20 00:01:52,599 --> 00:01:57,719 that supports the show. Anyone can do that, and we are encouraging people 21 00:01:57,760 --> 00:02:00,280 to go to Patreon. We have a banner on a website that's linked right 22 00:02:00,319 --> 00:02:07,200 to the Patreon page and there's also an RSS feed over there for your media 23 00:02:07,239 --> 00:02:14,520 player. Our guest tonight is Seth Breedlove and he's an Ohio filmmaker and he's 24 00:02:14,560 --> 00:02:19,960 written, edited, and produced and directed shorts in features about a variety of 25 00:02:20,120 --> 00:02:24,319 topics, but he's best known for his production company and films they've produced under 26 00:02:24,360 --> 00:02:29,800 the small Town Monsters banner. I was talking to him earlier, we were 27 00:02:29,840 --> 00:02:32,879 talking about cities and small towns, so I like that title for him. 28 00:02:32,879 --> 00:02:39,120 It fits him well. Seth helped launch in episodic series under the title of 29 00:02:39,599 --> 00:02:45,800 On the Trail of and We're gonna be talking about On the Trail of UFOs. 30 00:02:46,639 --> 00:02:51,000 He produced the first season along with his wife and went on to direct 31 00:02:51,080 --> 00:02:55,240 shoot and edit the second season, which focused on Bigfoot, and then of 32 00:02:55,280 --> 00:02:59,840 course he turned his attention to UFOs, which we'll be talking about tonight. 33 00:03:00,759 --> 00:03:05,560 And this year Seth will also direct The Mothman Legacy that's always thought that was 34 00:03:05,599 --> 00:03:08,680 pretty fascinating, and the Mark of the Bell, which that I've heard of 35 00:03:08,719 --> 00:03:12,800 but I don't know anything about. We may touch on those topics later. 36 00:03:12,879 --> 00:03:15,960 Welcome to the Show of Seth. Yeah, thanks so much for having me. 37 00:03:15,240 --> 00:03:21,800 Yeah, Seth, so you you study a lot of different topics. 38 00:03:21,840 --> 00:03:25,759 It must be hard to keep, uh, you know, informed about all 39 00:03:25,800 --> 00:03:30,159 of them. How do you get all your information on, you know, 40 00:03:30,240 --> 00:03:34,840 for the things you're looking into. It's it's funny. It was a lot 41 00:03:34,879 --> 00:03:38,639 easier when I had a full time job because, as weird as that sounds, 42 00:03:38,759 --> 00:03:43,000 because what I what I used to do, like what I got did 43 00:03:43,280 --> 00:03:46,199 when I got into all this was medical billing. And when I was doing 44 00:03:46,400 --> 00:03:49,639 the medical billing job, there's there's nothing. There was nothing else for me 45 00:03:49,680 --> 00:03:53,080 to do in between all the data entry other than like listen to podcasts, 46 00:03:53,280 --> 00:03:57,479 and so I found like I could listen to podcasts, I could listen to 47 00:03:57,520 --> 00:03:59,960 old radio shows and stuff like that, which is how I sort of discover, 48 00:04:00,199 --> 00:04:05,680 like the the old Flatwood's Monster radio interviews and stuff like that. I 49 00:04:06,960 --> 00:04:12,719 found I used to have a much easier time of digesting information than I do 50 00:04:13,319 --> 00:04:15,520 uh these days. So the way I do it now is I have to 51 00:04:15,960 --> 00:04:19,879 very consciously set aside time in between each project, and every year it gets 52 00:04:19,879 --> 00:04:24,319 a little more difficult because each year we're adding more and more projects. So 53 00:04:24,639 --> 00:04:27,000 I mean, if you you know, in the beginning, it was one 54 00:04:27,959 --> 00:04:31,120 maybe two in a year, and usually we were shooting, you know, 55 00:04:31,160 --> 00:04:35,120 every every couple of months. This year, there was there was rarely a 56 00:04:35,199 --> 00:04:39,759 month that went by or we weren't doing some sort of like in the field 57 00:04:39,800 --> 00:04:44,720 production work, especially within the trail of UFOs filming, which ended up being 58 00:04:44,800 --> 00:04:48,759 a close to thirty day shoot, which for us is a really extensive period 59 00:04:48,759 --> 00:04:54,439 of time for us to be doing anything. So we shot that over the 60 00:04:54,480 --> 00:05:00,000 course of three three different sort of major trips, and and then that included 61 00:05:00,040 --> 00:05:03,360 that encompassed to all the states that you see in this series. So um 62 00:05:03,519 --> 00:05:08,879 So, anyway, that the short answer is I have to make time to 63 00:05:08,920 --> 00:05:13,800 really sit down and start taking in information for whatever I'm working on next. 64 00:05:14,480 --> 00:05:18,519 But we also in the last year have brought on a research assistant named Heather 65 00:05:18,639 --> 00:05:23,439 Moser who's been helping me a lot with all the different projects. She did 66 00:05:23,439 --> 00:05:26,879 not work on on the trail of UFOs, which is interesting because it's like 67 00:05:26,920 --> 00:05:30,480 the largest number of interviews we've ever ever had into anything, but she's hard 68 00:05:30,480 --> 00:05:34,720 at work on the Mothman Legacy and the Mark of the Bowich and she helped 69 00:05:34,720 --> 00:05:39,879 out with our Momo the Missouri Monster project as well, so she's she has 70 00:05:39,879 --> 00:05:43,199 been a huge part of being able to get all the stuff done that I 71 00:05:43,240 --> 00:05:47,959 need to get done. Wow. Interesting, Now did you actually you know, 72 00:05:48,120 --> 00:05:53,600 was UFO was part of something you looked into, you know young, 73 00:05:53,879 --> 00:05:57,600 or is this something that you you just you know, took on as far 74 00:05:57,680 --> 00:06:01,160 as the rest of the series of things we're doing. Yeah, I think 75 00:06:01,639 --> 00:06:06,839 it was. Actually UFOs were kind of an interest for me before most of 76 00:06:06,879 --> 00:06:12,160 the other stuff, which is interesting because I've focused much more heavily on cryptids, 77 00:06:12,279 --> 00:06:17,040 especially Bigfoot since we launched on small town Monsters. But it was UFOs 78 00:06:17,079 --> 00:06:23,000 that I was really into in the beginning, and especially that very early era 79 00:06:23,240 --> 00:06:29,240 of UFO research, like the nineteenth to late forties and at early fifties really 80 00:06:29,279 --> 00:06:32,120 piqued my interest because it was so much it was rooted so much in like 81 00:06:32,720 --> 00:06:39,120 the government involvement, and I always loved the idea of the They sort of 82 00:06:39,160 --> 00:06:44,079 not loved the idea, but the shadowy government conspiracy side of that always appealed 83 00:06:44,120 --> 00:06:47,959 to me, especially that that sort of just getting into the Cold War era, 84 00:06:48,680 --> 00:06:53,920 So that stuff always appealed to me, and I was very much interested 85 00:06:53,959 --> 00:06:57,680 in it. And we have touched We've touched on the UFO topic in a 86 00:06:57,759 --> 00:07:00,240 number of our projects. I guess the first is probably The Moth Me at 87 00:07:00,240 --> 00:07:04,279 a Point Pleasant, where we where we did discuss some of the UFO sightings 88 00:07:04,279 --> 00:07:09,120 that were going on around Point Pleasant in the sixties. And then we got 89 00:07:09,199 --> 00:07:13,480 into The Flatwoods Monster, which is very much a UFO film in my opinion. 90 00:07:13,519 --> 00:07:15,600 I mean, it's all about you know, UFOs over over the state 91 00:07:15,600 --> 00:07:19,160 of West Virginia. UM. So we've touched on it, but I don't 92 00:07:19,199 --> 00:07:24,800 think I don't think we had ever really had a chance to really sort of 93 00:07:24,800 --> 00:07:29,920 fully invest ourselves in it, and that was exciting to me when we decided 94 00:07:29,959 --> 00:07:32,800 to hit hit this project. And I guess the hardest thing too for me 95 00:07:32,839 --> 00:07:39,439 though, as someone who's into the topic of UFOs but has never invested myself 96 00:07:40,040 --> 00:07:45,000 or not invest myself, but it has never sort of, um put put 97 00:07:45,040 --> 00:07:49,839 my toe in the waters of the UFO community. That was a little intimidating 98 00:07:49,920 --> 00:07:56,199 just coming into it because you're aware that we're we're always trying to appeal to 99 00:07:56,920 --> 00:08:00,839 an audience of people who might not be aware of the UFOTO, you know, 100 00:08:01,000 --> 00:08:03,360 And that's good. Yeah, And that's that's kind of how we come 101 00:08:03,399 --> 00:08:09,639 at this stuff every project we do, and we do that mainly because that 102 00:08:09,759 --> 00:08:13,439 seems to be our core audience or people who were just sort of starting to 103 00:08:13,439 --> 00:08:18,079 get into these topics. So when we hit upon this, it was it 104 00:08:18,160 --> 00:08:20,399 was perfect for me because I felt like, in a lot of ways, 105 00:08:20,439 --> 00:08:24,040 I was learning along with the audience. So even though I've been interested in 106 00:08:24,160 --> 00:08:30,800 UFOs for a long time, a lot of this stuff that we were including 107 00:08:30,800 --> 00:08:33,000 in the series, I had just learned or was learning, especially like the 108 00:08:33,039 --> 00:08:39,279 airship waves has been fascinating for me for the last year and my friend Mark 109 00:08:39,320 --> 00:08:41,960 and I had really done a deep dive on that topic for our podcast, 110 00:08:43,039 --> 00:08:48,639 And because of that, that's why airships ended up on the trail of UFOs. 111 00:08:48,720 --> 00:08:50,320 Is because it was something I was excited about at the time. Same 112 00:08:50,360 --> 00:08:54,639 way with we did an entire episode, episode number six about mystery lights, 113 00:08:54,919 --> 00:09:00,679 and that's why we we'd that's something I've just gotten into the last year or 114 00:09:00,679 --> 00:09:03,600 so. It's a passion project in a way. But also, you know, 115 00:09:05,240 --> 00:09:09,080 it's not yeah, well, you know, we do have um there's 116 00:09:09,120 --> 00:09:13,960 a lot of people that are seasoned listeners that have been paying attention to this 117 00:09:13,000 --> 00:09:18,679 topic a long time, but there's also I hear from new people listening to 118 00:09:18,720 --> 00:09:22,120 the show all the time, new people that are interested in this topic, 119 00:09:22,159 --> 00:09:26,799 and it's the topic is new to them. So a lot of times, 120 00:09:26,200 --> 00:09:33,759 you know, I don't think to get into a description of something. It's 121 00:09:33,919 --> 00:09:37,559 not a good thing that sometimes I just assume that someone knows what Roswell was, 122 00:09:37,679 --> 00:09:43,519 or or Kecksburg or any other sighting phoenix lights or you name it. 123 00:09:43,200 --> 00:09:46,960 But it really is good. You know. Maybe it's a little boring because 124 00:09:48,000 --> 00:09:50,759 some people that's heard the story over and over again, but for the new 125 00:09:50,799 --> 00:09:54,960 person out there that's looking for information, I think it's great and that we 126 00:09:56,000 --> 00:09:58,120 should, you know, explain a little more. And I did watch your 127 00:09:58,240 --> 00:10:05,879 series. I watch the screeners and I agree you you actually are. There 128 00:10:05,960 --> 00:10:07,080 was a lot of things I knew, but some of the things I learned 129 00:10:07,120 --> 00:10:13,080 too, So let's see. That's that's that's the biggest That's the biggest compliment 130 00:10:13,360 --> 00:10:16,840 for me is that, UM, I honestly expected this to be a series 131 00:10:16,919 --> 00:10:22,960 that that sort of UFO UM. The people that are educated on the UFO 132 00:10:24,000 --> 00:10:28,320 subject might not get as much out of it, But we very consciously we're 133 00:10:28,360 --> 00:10:31,919 trying to hit that middle ground where yes, we're putting a bunch of information 134 00:10:31,960 --> 00:10:35,039 in here that's already out there, but we're also trying to give enough breadcrumbs 135 00:10:35,120 --> 00:10:39,200 that that someone that's well educated on the subject can follow along too and find 136 00:10:39,320 --> 00:10:43,519 things that are interesting. I think I think the key is, honestly what 137 00:10:43,799 --> 00:10:46,120 is said in the first episode, which is that we were going to put 138 00:10:46,120 --> 00:10:50,320 the focus back on the people. So so so many of like the the 139 00:10:50,559 --> 00:10:56,279 television shows and stuff about this subject are about UM actors running through the woods 140 00:10:56,360 --> 00:11:00,679 chasing lights in the sky, and that just wasn't something we wanted to do. 141 00:11:01,080 --> 00:11:05,440 And what I really wanted to do was was let that the investigators and 142 00:11:05,519 --> 00:11:09,080 researchers we talked to sort of tell tell the story of ufology, but also 143 00:11:09,200 --> 00:11:13,440 let us have some insight into who they are as well. And that goes 144 00:11:13,480 --> 00:11:18,200 doubly for for witnesses and experiencers we talked to, Like, I think you 145 00:11:18,279 --> 00:11:22,519 can't you can't have a series like this if you're not going to UM you 146 00:11:22,559 --> 00:11:26,960 know, have a good number of witnesses and people that are willing to talk 147 00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:30,840 about their own experiences with the subject. And I think that's what keeps people 148 00:11:30,919 --> 00:11:33,600 like yourself maybe invested as well, is that, you know, like, 149 00:11:33,600 --> 00:11:37,240 for for all the information you might know about like Area fifty one, you 150 00:11:37,320 --> 00:11:41,399 probably had never heard Dan Weiese's story. And Dan Dan is the you know, 151 00:11:41,440 --> 00:11:45,480 the witness we interviewed in the first episode. I don't know why I 152 00:11:45,519 --> 00:11:48,240 talk about Dan probably more than anyone in this entire series. He's he's a 153 00:11:48,279 --> 00:11:54,039 friend of mine and he had told me that story years ago and it's always 154 00:11:54,080 --> 00:11:58,159 stuck with me. UM And I think the reason it really stands out is 155 00:11:58,200 --> 00:12:03,720 because if you go to the spot and you see where he claimed this happened, 156 00:12:03,759 --> 00:12:07,279 it's the most bizarre thing to have happened in that location because it's such 157 00:12:07,279 --> 00:12:13,120 a populated area. Why don't explain that a little? Yeah, yeah, 158 00:12:13,240 --> 00:12:16,639 Dan Dan was just a little kid. This would have been the very early 159 00:12:16,759 --> 00:12:22,480 nineties, and him and his sister were staying at their grandmother's house. Him 160 00:12:22,480 --> 00:12:26,279 and both of his sisters actually were staying at their grandmother's house, and they 161 00:12:26,360 --> 00:12:30,360 had gone outside for a walk, and actually it was just him and his 162 00:12:30,399 --> 00:12:33,279 older sister, and then his other older sister had also been out for a 163 00:12:33,320 --> 00:12:39,240 walk, but they weren't together. They were walking and they they fixed for 164 00:12:39,279 --> 00:12:43,200 some reason, something caught their attention off to the east. They were in 165 00:12:43,240 --> 00:12:48,159 a town called Barbaraton, Ohio, and it's a populated town. It's a 166 00:12:48,240 --> 00:12:52,200 it's a very I would I would hesitate to call it a city, but 167 00:12:52,240 --> 00:12:56,080 it's basically a large suburb of Akron, so it's a part of Acron Essentially, 168 00:12:56,399 --> 00:12:58,960 it's a very populated area. They were in a populated section of town. 169 00:13:00,279 --> 00:13:03,679 They were walking, they something caught their gaze. They looked off to 170 00:13:03,720 --> 00:13:09,399 the east and what they saw was a light, or I guess a series 171 00:13:09,399 --> 00:13:13,679 of flashing lights in the sky that he said looked like a carnival ride, 172 00:13:15,080 --> 00:13:18,799 you know, like I can't remember the name of the specific ride he referenced, 173 00:13:18,879 --> 00:13:22,720 but but there's a ride, you know, that actually looks like a 174 00:13:22,799 --> 00:13:26,679 UFO with the flashing lights all around the edge, And that's essentially what he 175 00:13:26,720 --> 00:13:31,960 thought he saw coming across the sky, and him and his sister saw it. 176 00:13:31,399 --> 00:13:35,039 His other sister who was coming up the road at the same time, 177 00:13:35,120 --> 00:13:37,159 saw it, and then a jogger who was coming down the road at the 178 00:13:37,200 --> 00:13:41,159 same time saw it. So you had three three of the kid three of 179 00:13:41,159 --> 00:13:45,360 the west children see it, and then this other guy that they they ran 180 00:13:45,440 --> 00:13:50,039 into saw it as well. The object came across the sky sort of seemed 181 00:13:50,039 --> 00:13:54,399 to hover and then go down behind these trees, which would be the only 182 00:13:54,559 --> 00:14:03,799 section of the area that is not neighborhood how built residential buildings, commercial buildings. 183 00:14:03,960 --> 00:14:09,000 Is this giant forest that sits in the middle of this town. It 184 00:14:09,159 --> 00:14:13,360 seemed to hover and go down behind the trees into that forested area. They 185 00:14:13,840 --> 00:14:18,320 never saw it leave, They just saw it together. And now there isn't 186 00:14:18,360 --> 00:14:22,799 there. There are some some some things that are involved in that story that 187 00:14:22,840 --> 00:14:26,720 I would really want to get back into at some point. One of them 188 00:14:26,799 --> 00:14:33,799 is the fact that there seemed to be a number of minds under Barberton. 189 00:14:35,080 --> 00:14:37,600 In fact, the mines that are down there stretch all the way to Lake 190 00:14:37,639 --> 00:14:43,480 Erie, which is about forty miles to the north, and these were I 191 00:14:43,480 --> 00:14:46,120 don't want to say salt mines. I can't remember what kind of mind they 192 00:14:46,159 --> 00:14:50,639 were, but they there's also there's so large the mines down there are so 193 00:14:50,720 --> 00:14:56,799 large that they actually store they stored all the old excavate earth movers and excavators 194 00:14:56,799 --> 00:14:58,759 down there as well, and these are still down there as far as I 195 00:14:58,759 --> 00:15:03,799 can fine, So we're curious to do a little bit of digging into the 196 00:15:03,919 --> 00:15:07,399 no pun intended, we're curious to do a little bit of digging into what 197 00:15:07,559 --> 00:15:13,159 actually is in that forest and maybe beneath that forest. Because the other part 198 00:15:13,159 --> 00:15:16,720 of that story that got left out is that Dan is almost convinced that shortly 199 00:15:16,759 --> 00:15:22,879 after their sighting, there was a fence erected around the forested area. Now 200 00:15:22,879 --> 00:15:26,679 we went, we went back there, and it looks to us like you 201 00:15:26,720 --> 00:15:30,919 can get in there today. So there's no there's no fence. So he's 202 00:15:30,960 --> 00:15:33,720 not he's not positive he's remembering that, right, you know. I mean 203 00:15:33,759 --> 00:15:37,600 I think he was like, I think he was like nine years old at 204 00:15:37,639 --> 00:15:41,600 the time, so he was pretty going. But he was almost positive that 205 00:15:41,639 --> 00:15:43,679 they had put up this spense after the fact. Yeah, so anyway, 206 00:15:43,679 --> 00:15:48,840 that that event really affected him, and I think the episode it all takes 207 00:15:48,840 --> 00:15:52,840 place in episode one. I think episode one, you get a good sense 208 00:15:52,879 --> 00:15:56,080 that it affected him in a major way, to the point where he's still 209 00:15:56,120 --> 00:15:58,440 really curious about it today. And he talks to his sister on the phone 210 00:15:58,440 --> 00:16:03,600 in the episode and you can kind of hear her corroborate history and she thinks 211 00:16:03,600 --> 00:16:07,000 about it as well. I just think that that the effect that even just 212 00:16:07,039 --> 00:16:10,519 seeing something for seven seconds in the sky can have on a witness is really 213 00:16:10,600 --> 00:16:18,159 impactful. Oh. Absolutely absolutely. I was I'm going to bring up someone 214 00:16:18,399 --> 00:16:25,240 that's on your show because I've I've his friends on Facebook and know this gentleman 215 00:16:25,559 --> 00:16:30,159 and he contacted me, I don't know, a couple of years ago and 216 00:16:30,200 --> 00:16:33,519 he said, hey, you remember you were at my house and looking at 217 00:16:33,559 --> 00:16:36,080 my antiques and for auction and all that stuff. And I said, oh, 218 00:16:36,159 --> 00:16:37,919 yeah, yeah, yeah, how you doing and all this stuff? 219 00:16:37,960 --> 00:16:41,399 And he goes, well, guess what, I'm listening to your show and 220 00:16:41,759 --> 00:16:45,480 you had him on your show. Dean Merchant. Oh Dean, yeah, 221 00:16:45,519 --> 00:16:52,039 yeah, yeah, Dean's great. We The strangest thing about Dean's interview is 222 00:16:52,120 --> 00:16:56,559 that it was. I mean, that's one thing. What you've seen is 223 00:16:56,600 --> 00:17:03,360 eight episodes on the Trail of viet Those features almost thirty interviews, clocking in 224 00:17:03,399 --> 00:17:07,359 it over two hundred and seventy minutes, and we still have enough content that 225 00:17:07,400 --> 00:17:11,839 we could have cut four or five more episodes, Like if time and money 226 00:17:11,880 --> 00:17:15,759 weren't an object, we would have easily had another four or five episode, 227 00:17:15,759 --> 00:17:19,319 three or four episodes in there, and Dean would have been featured in another 228 00:17:19,400 --> 00:17:23,480 few because he had a lot of information about a lot of topics that we 229 00:17:23,559 --> 00:17:27,200 never actually got to in this season. So we're really hoping to be able 230 00:17:27,240 --> 00:17:32,480 to do multiple seasons. But Dean's are really knowledgeable. I call him like 231 00:17:32,519 --> 00:17:34,440 a UFO historian because I don't know what else to refer to him, as 232 00:17:34,519 --> 00:17:41,039 he's not crazy about like the investigator or researcher, you know label right, 233 00:17:41,440 --> 00:17:45,839 Well, I invited him on this show, and he's possibly going to come 234 00:17:45,839 --> 00:17:48,519 on at some time in April or May something like that. He's got the 235 00:17:48,599 --> 00:17:52,599 great New England accent too. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. The funniest 236 00:17:52,599 --> 00:17:57,920 thing about his New England accident was I shipped off his I have to send 237 00:17:59,160 --> 00:18:03,039 off the interviews to be transcribed, and this time around, I hired a 238 00:18:03,119 --> 00:18:08,079 service that was computerized, and the computer had no idea what was happening. 239 00:18:08,160 --> 00:18:12,400 His reading his interview is one of the funniest things I've ever seen in my 240 00:18:12,440 --> 00:18:15,799 life. Oh, that's a riot. I hope, I hope you let 241 00:18:15,880 --> 00:18:19,279 him know that. Yeah, I'll have to. Yeah, I haven't yet. 242 00:18:19,440 --> 00:18:22,960 Yeah. Oh that's great. That's great. Um, and so we're 243 00:18:23,000 --> 00:18:27,400 going into breaking about four minutes or so that if you would, um, 244 00:18:27,559 --> 00:18:32,960 well, first of all, Shannon LeGrow from Las Vegas, if I remember 245 00:18:33,039 --> 00:18:37,279 right, Um, she's like the lead person. Um, basically it's it 246 00:18:37,319 --> 00:18:44,559 looks, you know, it appears from watching the videos that it's basically her 247 00:18:45,079 --> 00:18:48,400 in the lead. But you you're there and you're you're throwing some questions to 248 00:18:48,519 --> 00:18:52,799 some of the people. And so, how did you find She's a very 249 00:18:52,880 --> 00:18:56,039 nice woman? How did you find Shannon? We've Shannon and I have been 250 00:18:56,079 --> 00:19:00,480 friends since before I started Spontime Monsters, and we enough we met at a 251 00:19:00,640 --> 00:19:07,119 Finding Bigfoot town hall taping town hall meeting taping here in Ohio back in twenty 252 00:19:07,359 --> 00:19:11,119 fourteen, during this very short period of time where she lived in Ohio. 253 00:19:11,240 --> 00:19:15,799 So we met in twenty fourteen, and then she worked with me last year. 254 00:19:17,359 --> 00:19:21,000 She was in one episode, well she's in three episodes of On the 255 00:19:21,039 --> 00:19:23,319 Trail of Bigfoot, but we were together out in the out in the field 256 00:19:23,480 --> 00:19:26,319 for one episode of On the Trailer of Bigfoot, which is the final episode, 257 00:19:26,359 --> 00:19:32,079 episode six, And I liked the way we worked together and her approach 258 00:19:32,480 --> 00:19:37,720 to witness interviews and just her approach to these topics in general is really similar 259 00:19:38,920 --> 00:19:42,599 sort of to mine. And also I don't really like being on camera. 260 00:19:42,640 --> 00:19:47,640 I was on camera for On the Trailer of Bigfoot. I was the lead 261 00:19:48,000 --> 00:19:52,079 for that series, and I kind of hated it. So I asked her 262 00:19:52,119 --> 00:19:56,039 if she would sort of be the you know, the face and the voice 263 00:19:56,160 --> 00:20:00,880 on the trailer of UFOs. So it is it's her story, um, 264 00:20:00,920 --> 00:20:04,640 you know in her stories that she's joining us to make to make the series. 265 00:20:04,680 --> 00:20:07,200 I mean, we don't really make up hooks, you know. I 266 00:20:07,200 --> 00:20:10,920 think a TV show would have made up some sort of hook for this. 267 00:20:11,640 --> 00:20:15,359 Um, we didn't really do that. It's it's pretty much explicitly stated in 268 00:20:15,359 --> 00:20:18,880 the first episode she's going on her own journey to learn about the subject, 269 00:20:19,000 --> 00:20:23,319 and she's joining small town monsters as we make the series to do it so 270 00:20:23,559 --> 00:20:27,440 it you know, we try we try to do pretty much everything is honestly 271 00:20:27,440 --> 00:20:33,279 and upfront as we can possibly be with this sort of thing. Um. 272 00:20:33,519 --> 00:20:38,359 You know, she she's leading a lot of the the interviews, um especially, 273 00:20:38,400 --> 00:20:44,759 and I think I think as as the person sort of at the center 274 00:20:44,799 --> 00:20:48,000 of it, she she does a terrific job of anchoring the whole thing right 275 00:20:48,240 --> 00:20:52,799 right. And you know, there's actually you know, speaking of Las Vegas. 276 00:20:53,119 --> 00:20:57,319 Um. You know Peggy who runs our Facebook page and um, but 277 00:20:57,440 --> 00:21:02,640 there's a lot that actually happened in Las Vegas. There's a lot of sightings. 278 00:21:03,279 --> 00:21:07,160 Um. You know. Yeah, I'm friends with someone that is not 279 00:21:07,279 --> 00:21:11,759 into UFOs and she found out I was. She's in the She was actually 280 00:21:11,799 --> 00:21:17,240 on TV for um, I can't remember the channel, but she basically did 281 00:21:17,279 --> 00:21:21,559 decorating and stuff like that. And I've known her for a while and she 282 00:21:21,640 --> 00:21:23,640 said, oh, you guess I just saw your show in UFOs, And 283 00:21:23,680 --> 00:21:29,799 she started telling me about this amazing, huge black triangle she saw right outside 284 00:21:29,799 --> 00:21:33,599 of our hotel room and down to Las Vegas. Pretty amazing phoenix. The 285 00:21:34,160 --> 00:21:38,759 Phoenix lights were also seen in Vegas, which was like something that I found 286 00:21:38,839 --> 00:21:42,680 when we were interviewing David Weatherley for the for the series, is that there 287 00:21:42,720 --> 00:21:45,279 were sightings of the Phoenix las in Vegas, which I had never heard of 288 00:21:45,480 --> 00:21:49,839 before. So yeah, I'm not I'm not as in the loop. Yeah, 289 00:21:49,880 --> 00:21:55,599 Okay, Well it's we're gonna head into break, so everyone hanging there 290 00:21:55,720 --> 00:22:00,559 will be right back right after. These messages still live on YouTube and right, 291 00:22:00,759 --> 00:22:04,880 so let's let's talk on miss break here. Let's let's talk a little 292 00:22:04,880 --> 00:22:11,400 bit about what happens in um in Ohio. Have you looked I mean, 293 00:22:11,759 --> 00:22:15,720 actually a lot of things happen in Ohio in particular, but is that something 294 00:22:15,720 --> 00:22:18,960 you've ever looked into as far as the UFO of sightings and yeah, yeah. 295 00:22:19,000 --> 00:22:22,599 The most frustrating part about this first season of On the Trail of UFOs 296 00:22:22,680 --> 00:22:27,079 was we didn't get to do the coin incident at the Coincident because yeah, 297 00:22:27,160 --> 00:22:32,000 yeah, because that was like I actually spoke at a mouf on conference. 298 00:22:32,039 --> 00:22:33,920 I was asked to speak at a mouf on conference this past year, and 299 00:22:34,039 --> 00:22:38,119 that was my first time really learning about it. Again, I'm a newbie, 300 00:22:38,160 --> 00:22:41,359 so take it easy on me. But but I had never been aware 301 00:22:41,359 --> 00:22:45,480 of that incident and what really it's it's kind of CLUSI into, like what 302 00:22:45,559 --> 00:22:49,440 a monster nerd I am, because like the thing that caught my attention about 303 00:22:49,440 --> 00:22:55,519 it is where the where the the UFFO first intercepted the helicopter would have been 304 00:22:55,559 --> 00:23:02,319 right over um Charles the Charles Mill Lake and Charles Mill Lake in the fifties 305 00:23:02,359 --> 00:23:07,279 had a really famous local monster called the Charles Mill Lake Monster, which was 306 00:23:07,319 --> 00:23:10,279 sort of a creature from the Black Lagoon type monster. And so as soon 307 00:23:10,319 --> 00:23:12,839 as they said something about Charles Mill Lake had piqued my interests. But was 308 00:23:14,119 --> 00:23:18,200 what was really cool about that was the fire chief of the county was there. 309 00:23:18,279 --> 00:23:23,000 And it turned out that the fire chief back when the incident took place, 310 00:23:23,079 --> 00:23:29,599 When when the coin helicopter incident took place, the fire chief was a 311 00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:36,200 teenager and him and like twenty other kids saw the UFO intercept the helicopter from 312 00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:41,640 the ground, So I had I was really excited about the idea of doing 313 00:23:42,359 --> 00:23:47,319 some retelling of that incident on the trail of Bufo. So I'm really hoping 314 00:23:47,319 --> 00:23:48,680 we can get a season two off the ground because I'd love to do that. 315 00:23:49,039 --> 00:23:52,799 But beyond that portage, the Portage Lakes or the Portage County UFO chase 316 00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:57,200 is one of my always been one of my favorite UFO stories. I'm super 317 00:23:57,200 --> 00:24:02,160 fascinated and that we've got a couple of minutes. Can you talk about that. 318 00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:07,839 The coin one always fascinated me as well. And basically a UFO actually 319 00:24:07,119 --> 00:24:14,039 levitated the helicopter. It actually grows up. It was very scary and anyone 320 00:24:14,039 --> 00:24:17,039 could check that out if you just go into coin. I don't. I 321 00:24:17,039 --> 00:24:21,000 can't remember if that spelled CEO why And it's like I think I think it's 322 00:24:21,039 --> 00:24:23,960 CEO y n E. And they were flying. They were flying from an 323 00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:27,680 air base in Cleveland down to me. I think he said in Mansfield, 324 00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:33,240 um, you know, and they if you if you know the area that's 325 00:24:33,359 --> 00:24:37,079 Charles Mill Wake is like right in between those two two locations, and so 326 00:24:37,119 --> 00:24:42,400 I guess yeah. They started sort of they had basically what amounts to like 327 00:24:44,079 --> 00:24:45,880 I mean, it was it was a long period of time where they essentially 328 00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:51,119 had almost like a dog fight. Um. And what was interesting to me 329 00:24:51,319 --> 00:24:56,559 was the crew of this helicopter, despite what should have been sort of a 330 00:24:56,640 --> 00:25:03,440 really intimidating or at the at the very least intimidating, if not downright terrifying 331 00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:07,319 encounter. They were never actually scared, in fact, like they all sort 332 00:25:07,319 --> 00:25:12,359 of talked about how how they were all more fascinated and excited by what they 333 00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:18,720 were seeing. In the entire crew of this helicopter were witnesses to whatever this 334 00:25:18,839 --> 00:25:23,880 object was, and they will corroborate this story. One of them is still 335 00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:30,279 a detective in Cleveland today, one of the crew, and the other one 336 00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:33,960 recently moved. One of the other ones moved down to Atlanta and as a 337 00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:40,240 member of the police department in Atlanta. And I can't remember what happened to 338 00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:45,200 everyone else as you got going back on ye all right, welcome back. 339 00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:51,799 My guest is Seth Breedlove and we were actually talking during the break up. 340 00:25:52,279 --> 00:25:59,279 You mentioned a famous UFO case in Ohio that is one of your favorites, 341 00:25:59,319 --> 00:26:02,599 and I ever heard of it. Can you tell me what that case is 342 00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:07,160 called? Again? The Coin No, the other one, the Portage County. 343 00:26:07,319 --> 00:26:11,240 Yeah, I don't know of that one. I'm pretty sure you'd do. 344 00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:14,960 It's it's given a lot of different names. The reason why I call 345 00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:18,079 it the Portage County UFO chases because it originated in Portage County. But it's 346 00:26:18,079 --> 00:26:22,759 the one where the where the two police officers started getting calls about about a 347 00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:26,519 UFO. They see it and they proceed to chase it all the way into 348 00:26:26,519 --> 00:26:30,440 Pennsylvania. Yes I know, yes, uh yeah, and they're told they're 349 00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:33,880 told it's a it's being they're chasing the plane at venus essentially with other, 350 00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:38,359 you know, law enforcement officials from all over the the state sort of joining 351 00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:42,359 in. But I call it Portage County because that first patrol car that goes 352 00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:47,519 rushing towards Pennsylvania was actually in Portage County, which is only like fifteen minutes 353 00:26:47,559 --> 00:26:51,039 from where I live. But that's always been one of the most fascinating to 354 00:26:51,079 --> 00:26:59,559 me because of the the way the policemen were treated simply for reporting what they 355 00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:03,680 encount that's right. And how many there were quite a few involved. Was 356 00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:06,640 it something like six or was it I think I want to say it was 357 00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:11,119 six, but it might have been more than that. And I heard a 358 00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:17,160 great talk about this like a year ago. I can't remember the guy's name. 359 00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:19,279 Now that's going to drive me crazy, but but I've always been really 360 00:27:19,319 --> 00:27:25,519 fascinated with that story because it's so close to us. But I'm I'm always 361 00:27:25,599 --> 00:27:29,839 drawn to stories more because of the human component and the and the way that 362 00:27:29,839 --> 00:27:36,480 that story negatively affected the witnesses. I always thought was really really kind of 363 00:27:36,519 --> 00:27:40,839 sad and spoke. So it sort of speaks to the to the larger way 364 00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:45,680 witnesses are treated in general, or at least were treated, particularly at that 365 00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:48,279 time for coming forward with the sighting, and especially if you were working in 366 00:27:48,319 --> 00:27:53,880 law enforcement. It seems like it was a really just a terribly negative thing 367 00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:57,799 that ended up honestly destroying the careers of a few of those guys that were 368 00:27:57,799 --> 00:28:04,680 involved in it. That's that's not that's not unusual unfortunately. UM, what 369 00:28:04,759 --> 00:28:08,759 do you think if I ask you this question, do you think you know 370 00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:15,839 anything more about this topic of what these things might be or do you think 371 00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:22,400 you know less about it since you actually went into this. Uh, I 372 00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:26,440 think I probably know. I think I probably know a little bit less. 373 00:28:26,559 --> 00:28:30,599 If you're going on and you're trying to sort of subscribe to one of those 374 00:28:30,039 --> 00:28:37,920 right, and then you realize that there aren't a lot of commonalities between encounters, 375 00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:41,200 Um, there are, but there aren't, and you know we point 376 00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:44,400 them out in episode two. I think we tried to do a somewhat decent 377 00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:47,759 job of pointing out some of the commonalities and like craft descriptions, and you 378 00:28:47,799 --> 00:28:52,480 can definitely like start drawing from the data, you know, as far as 379 00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:56,599 what all the all the what we're putting out in the series. You can 380 00:28:56,599 --> 00:29:00,200 start to draw from that and draw lines between some things. But I think 381 00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:03,079 at the end of the day, I have no I don't know that I 382 00:29:03,119 --> 00:29:07,920 even have a theory anymore that dominates any of the others as to what is 383 00:29:08,039 --> 00:29:11,920 what is actually going on? Right, Yeah, I have no idea. 384 00:29:11,119 --> 00:29:17,640 And you had Linda Zimmerman on which I have a lot of respect for, 385 00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:23,119 a really nice lady, and I think she said something along the lines of 386 00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:29,160 this flying saucer was in fashion at that time. And it's kind of it's 387 00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:33,119 kind of funny because you know, I mean, people are seeing different things 388 00:29:33,119 --> 00:29:36,640 than you know, what I saw would be described as a flying saucer in 389 00:29:36,759 --> 00:29:41,480 two thousand and six. But you know, there's a cigar uf shaped UFOs 390 00:29:41,599 --> 00:29:45,519 and some people say, well, those are just the saucer shaped, you 391 00:29:45,559 --> 00:29:49,960 know, at a side view, But a lot of people are describing actually 392 00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:56,000 seeing you know, cigar shape UFOs. And you know, the funny thing 393 00:29:56,039 --> 00:30:00,559 about those, the more people I've talked to that talk about those have all 394 00:30:00,599 --> 00:30:06,799 said almost all said that they've seen like portholes like um, yeah, little 395 00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:11,720 round windows on them, which is really bizarre. Yeah, and that's a 396 00:30:11,839 --> 00:30:17,759 that's a that's another correlation to those airship reports from the from the early nineteen 397 00:30:17,839 --> 00:30:21,920 hundreds. Yeah. Yeah, So let's let's talk a little bit about those, 398 00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:23,279 because people, I mean, if you go back, you can see 399 00:30:23,279 --> 00:30:30,039 the old newspaper clippings of some of these what they called airships, and you 400 00:30:30,079 --> 00:30:33,640 know, they weren't dirigible, so I mean they didn't uh, some of 401 00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:41,640 these actually were you know, um, these reports were prior to when those 402 00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:45,039 were flying the round. Yeah, that's was just at the height of a 403 00:30:45,119 --> 00:30:49,480 major airship wave that was sort of going all around the West coast. Uh. 404 00:30:49,599 --> 00:30:53,920 In this in this series we get into the ones more on the East 405 00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:59,200 Coast, especially like the Hudson Valley flap that was happening in the in the 406 00:30:59,279 --> 00:31:03,079 early nineteen hundreds. But there was that very late eighteen hundreds flap of sightings 407 00:31:03,119 --> 00:31:07,880 that started in like San Francisco. If you do any sort of archival newspaper 408 00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:15,839 archival research into airships, you'll find no shortage of very detailed reports that we're 409 00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:22,599 being run in newspapers at the time of encounters with these flying craft that we're 410 00:31:22,599 --> 00:31:27,920 singing over, like San Francisco, San Jose, I mean San Diego, 411 00:31:29,039 --> 00:31:33,400 They're all over that California area, and then they start going moving out into 412 00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:37,279 the Midwest. What's really interesting is you can track them, you know, 413 00:31:37,279 --> 00:31:44,119 like you'll there's there's actually points in time where you'll see you're you're able to 414 00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:48,839 track their movement by the reports popping up in the newspapers around the country. 415 00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:52,720 Um so they start in one area and then they move out across you know, 416 00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:55,680 the country. And obviously, if you're a skeptic, your response to 417 00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:57,319 that is going to be, well, that's just other newspapers picking that same 418 00:31:57,359 --> 00:32:01,400 story up and they start running their own, you know, falsified version of 419 00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:06,240 it. And that is like anytime you do archival research, that's a danger 420 00:32:06,279 --> 00:32:12,079 you'll run into. Is newspapers in the eighteen hundreds and nineteen hundreds, some 421 00:32:12,119 --> 00:32:16,759 would argue, up till today love making up stories to sell papers, and 422 00:32:17,279 --> 00:32:21,680 yeah, yeah, and and so you do run into that. But a 423 00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:24,039 lot of these stories have a lot of details that are that are able to 424 00:32:24,079 --> 00:32:28,440 be corroborated. So you've got names of witnesses and things like that that in 425 00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:34,079 a story that's falsified in a newspaper, they typically wouldn't add those details. 426 00:32:34,319 --> 00:32:37,240 So as long as you can at least corroborate some of these people existed, 427 00:32:37,319 --> 00:32:40,559 that that in itself is a major indication that some of these things actually happen. 428 00:32:42,119 --> 00:32:45,359 Um. So yeah, those those airship waves are super interesting to me. 429 00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:52,359 And when you get into the nineteen hundreds waves that hit like the East 430 00:32:52,359 --> 00:32:58,640 Coast and especially that Hudson Valley area, Um, those those get really interesting 431 00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:04,559 as well because of the fact that there are actual encounters with In some instances, 432 00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:07,839 there's actual encounters with the occupants or the people that are said to be 433 00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:13,440 piloting the vehicles and they get off the ship and they'll talk to someone and 434 00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:16,319 they'll claim to be from like you know, New York City or Europe or 435 00:33:16,359 --> 00:33:22,240 something. But there's that didn't happen. This was all happening well before dirigibles 436 00:33:22,279 --> 00:33:29,079 were really taking to the skies. So you know, I've heard people sort 437 00:33:29,079 --> 00:33:32,319 of conspiracy theorist posset that maybe this was like the government testing some sort of 438 00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:36,359 aircraft or something like that. But you know, when you get into those 439 00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:40,640 eighteen hundreds reports, that starts to make you scratch your head. Well, 440 00:33:40,759 --> 00:33:47,000 especially because I think it was in Britain, but back in I think it 441 00:33:47,039 --> 00:33:52,440 was prior to eighteen ninety there was a report and a lot of people saw 442 00:33:52,559 --> 00:33:57,000 this hairship they called I may have called it something else, ghost ship or 443 00:33:57,000 --> 00:34:00,480 something like that, but a bright light shot down to the ground and everybody 444 00:34:00,519 --> 00:34:05,559 reported that. And you know, they didn't have the technology at that time 445 00:34:05,599 --> 00:34:08,880 to do something like that, which is that's that's interesting something, that's something 446 00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:14,840 that Linda talks about. Actually in the Hudson Valley flap was that and this 447 00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:20,400 is like nineteen thirteen, I I don't remember the exact date Linda gifts, 448 00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:24,800 but they were these they were shining these bright lights while they're flying across the 449 00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:31,280 sky. And Linda relates that farmers and people living in the area would look 450 00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:35,159 out their window in the middle of the night and there would be these ships 451 00:34:35,679 --> 00:34:39,880 moving above their fields with these lights like combing, combing the ground. And 452 00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:44,960 this is, you know, the very early nineteen This is the earliest days 453 00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:49,639 of the twentieth century. So it seems to to sort of point to something 454 00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:54,119 a little more unusual than an experimental craft, right, And I think as 455 00:34:54,159 --> 00:35:00,039 she also talks about maybe it's not her, but someone does about beings on 456 00:35:00,159 --> 00:35:04,199 top of a craft, standing cop and waiting or am, I think, 457 00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:07,400 yeah, I've heard that story, but I don't think that was one that 458 00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:13,760 she told. What's interesting too about those airship waves is that there's some some 459 00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:20,480 similarities to the Black Triangles or even just even just like the Phoenix Lights where 460 00:35:20,519 --> 00:35:22,639 they you know, they're obviously some of this is going to be because these 461 00:35:22,719 --> 00:35:28,559 are airships and they were moving slower, but there's there's similarities between the airships 462 00:35:28,559 --> 00:35:30,920 and the Black Triangles, and that they start in one area and they just 463 00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:35,039 sort of like move over a location as if they want to be seen. 464 00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:39,280 Um, you know that that's that was always what was so unusual about the 465 00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:45,519 Phoenix Lights to me is that, if I think doctor Keti said that, 466 00:35:45,599 --> 00:35:51,000 it looked like a parade more than anything, like they were wanting to be 467 00:35:51,079 --> 00:35:53,800 noticed. And some people would argue that that's the way that the airships were. 468 00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:57,199 You know, it wasn't like they were trying to stay It wasn't like 469 00:35:57,239 --> 00:35:59,760 the airships were trying to stay hidden. They were, you know, they 470 00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:04,519 were very bold about the fact that they're flying around out there and people can 471 00:36:04,599 --> 00:36:07,519 interact with them and see them at night. And I would say I would 472 00:36:07,599 --> 00:36:10,360 argue that in a lot of cases, it seems like the Black Triangles, 473 00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:14,400 especially in the Hudson Valley area. Again, the Hudson Valley comes up a 474 00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:19,480 lot, mostly because I'm fascinated by those cases, but also because it's I 475 00:36:19,519 --> 00:36:24,239 feel like the Hudson Valley UFOs stuff is overlooked a lot these days, and 476 00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:28,079 I think it was really important to uphology. I don't know if you would 477 00:36:28,119 --> 00:36:30,480 agree with that or not. Well, I think there were tens of thousands 478 00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:32,880 of people that saw something. It wasn't just like a few. Yeah, 479 00:36:34,039 --> 00:36:37,480 there's a lot, a lot of witnesses. Yeah, But that was something 480 00:36:37,559 --> 00:36:42,519 I a conclusion I can do while I was editing the series. Actually, 481 00:36:42,559 --> 00:36:47,000 it was just the strange similarities between the airship waves and the Black Triangle waves, 482 00:36:47,199 --> 00:36:52,519 and how the behavior of the craft actually seems very similar, e release 483 00:36:52,559 --> 00:36:59,400 similar in some situations, right right, Yeah, I don't know. I 484 00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:02,079 just love the early cases. And you know, I have Dave Marler's going 485 00:37:02,079 --> 00:37:06,599 to be on next week. We're not going to be talking about black triangles, 486 00:37:06,599 --> 00:37:08,239 but we may touch on a little bit. But you know, he's 487 00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:12,400 the go to for that and I have his book. Oh you do. 488 00:37:12,559 --> 00:37:16,199 Yeah, I do believe the first sighting of a of a triangle was in 489 00:37:16,239 --> 00:37:22,679 the late nineteenth century. I do believe. I think we might have referenced 490 00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:25,400 it. I can't remember. It's been a while since I edited episode two. 491 00:37:25,599 --> 00:37:31,880 We might have referenced that sighting because Alejandra actually talked about Marler and the 492 00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:36,800 work he had done during his interview, So I'm not sure if a few 493 00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:39,599 referenced that are not. But um, yeah, that that to me is 494 00:37:39,639 --> 00:37:44,639 really intriguing as well, just the idea that black triangles might have been around 495 00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:49,159 long before, you know, like most people credit them as showing up in 496 00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:52,440 the in the eighties and nineties. It would be really fascinating if you could 497 00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:57,159 track down sightings from from that far back. Yeah, yeah, I saw 498 00:37:57,239 --> 00:38:00,199 that Alejandra was in there and out there. That keep asking me how he 499 00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:02,079 is. I've talked a little bit about him last week, and he's just 500 00:38:02,159 --> 00:38:07,840 taken a little break from the UFO scene for the most part, but he'll 501 00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:14,960 probably will be back. But he's just he's concentrating on doing something different and 502 00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:16,719 you know, hopefully we'll have him back. He says, he is paying 503 00:38:16,719 --> 00:38:21,960 attention to the UFO headline. So so, but he's doing really well for 504 00:38:22,039 --> 00:38:25,280 all those out there that wonder how he's doing. And I did see him, 505 00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:29,519 you know, I see how he's edited in into most of the episodes, 506 00:38:29,599 --> 00:38:34,320 isn't he Yeah, he's in. I think I think the real like 507 00:38:34,440 --> 00:38:40,280 mouthpieces for the series end up being David Weatherly alejanigou Man. Those two were 508 00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:45,880 in almost every episode. Linda is in I think five or six of the 509 00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:50,320 eight, so it's it really is pretty pretty heavy. They're they're featured, 510 00:38:51,039 --> 00:38:52,760 you know, and I know going into it who I think is going to 511 00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:57,679 end up being that sort of figure. So I knew, because of how 512 00:38:57,719 --> 00:39:00,599 knowledgeable he is about the history of the whole thing, kind of knew going 513 00:39:00,639 --> 00:39:04,920 into it that he would be featured pretty heavily. So when he we interviewed 514 00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:07,320 him for like two and a half three hours, which for us is a 515 00:39:07,559 --> 00:39:09,920 is a very long period of time. Our interviews don't usually last long. 516 00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:14,800 But I made sure to hit pretty much everything. I mean, he talked 517 00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:19,159 about contacts, he talked about you, know, the Black Triangles airships. 518 00:39:19,159 --> 00:39:22,840 He talked about pretty much everything. Yeah, yeah, no, he's great. 519 00:39:22,159 --> 00:39:25,760 He's a really a bit a lot of knowledge there. And you said 520 00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:31,000 there was did you say there were thirty people interviewed totally? And I think 521 00:39:31,039 --> 00:39:36,400 that I think the total number that we interviewed is like twenty nine. But 522 00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:39,440 you know there's a couple of people that were in there that there was actually 523 00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:44,280 an interview that was shot with a guy named Mark Munsey who's an author in 524 00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:49,679 Florida, and his interview got scrapped because the audio got destroyed while we were 525 00:39:49,679 --> 00:39:53,679 in the Chestnut Ridge in Pennsylvania. That's terrible when something like that happened, 526 00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:59,480 it's too bad. Yeah, it's frustrating. Yeah, oh absolutely. Yeah. 527 00:39:59,519 --> 00:40:04,280 We've had our We've had our audio problems on this show too. It 528 00:40:04,719 --> 00:40:07,079 just does happen. And when you're live, it's a you know, you 529 00:40:07,199 --> 00:40:09,800 have that one shot. Um, what would you say, is to your 530 00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:15,320 the favorite case of yours that you looked into for this for this series? 531 00:40:15,679 --> 00:40:20,199 Yeah? Yeah, I mean I think it does come back to like Dan 532 00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:22,199 Weis, but we already talked about that one, so it's probably going to 533 00:40:22,239 --> 00:40:29,440 be the Gary Treibert from from the Hudson Valley. UM. And what's really 534 00:40:30,079 --> 00:40:32,559 frustrating again about the fact that there's only eight episodes in the series, that 535 00:40:32,719 --> 00:40:37,400 Gary could have had a whole episode like just for himself to talk about all 536 00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:40,320 the things that have that have happened to him, because he alludes to it 537 00:40:40,559 --> 00:40:46,039 in the in the abduction episode. UM that that what he talks about in 538 00:40:46,079 --> 00:40:52,079 that episode is just one small facet of what's gone on in his life. 539 00:40:52,639 --> 00:40:55,239 UM, he had. I don't know if that's here or on your end, 540 00:40:55,280 --> 00:41:00,679 but they're probably grant that they're coming to get me. UM. Now, 541 00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:05,360 Gary, Gary, when he was a kid, was um was seeing 542 00:41:05,599 --> 00:41:10,239 craft on above this hill outside of his parents' house in upstate New York, 543 00:41:10,559 --> 00:41:15,079 UH, specifically the Hudson Valley area, And there was a gravel quarry and 544 00:41:15,119 --> 00:41:21,599 there were multiple instances where he saw this craft sort of hovering above above the 545 00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:25,639 forest up on the quarry. And one time him and his dad walked up 546 00:41:27,719 --> 00:41:30,519 to see because they saw his craft, and they walked up together to get 547 00:41:30,559 --> 00:41:35,280 a closer look, and I guess about halfway up, his dad turned him 548 00:41:35,360 --> 00:41:38,719 home and said you go back home. And Gary went home and his dad 549 00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:45,000 was gone for hours and that that part of the story is really unusual, 550 00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:49,719 but it's what happens next is so much more unusual. And this did not 551 00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:52,679 make it into that episode because it's so bizarre. I could not find a 552 00:41:52,719 --> 00:41:54,639 way to put this in there and have it make sense for the audience. 553 00:41:54,920 --> 00:42:00,559 And I'm probably going to do a terrible job of recalling this. But basically, 554 00:42:00,639 --> 00:42:05,159 Gary, after that instance where he saw the UFO above the gravel Corey 555 00:42:05,159 --> 00:42:08,599 as a kid, he went into the woods one day and encountered a man 556 00:42:10,159 --> 00:42:16,480 who was wearing coveralls and was about four feet tall, and the man had 557 00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:21,119 a cartoon face. This is how Gary recalls it. The guy. The 558 00:42:21,159 --> 00:42:27,440 guy had a like a cartoon face or something like that. But Gary seems 559 00:42:27,480 --> 00:42:31,519 to believe that that instance incident was sort of either a you know, like 560 00:42:31,559 --> 00:42:36,079 maybe a memory that was planted in his head or something, and he believes 561 00:42:36,119 --> 00:42:42,480 that that was potentially the first time he was abducted. And years later Gary 562 00:42:42,599 --> 00:42:49,199 would and this is actually in episode seven. Gary does believe he had an 563 00:42:49,199 --> 00:42:53,039 instance of abduction or missing time in which he was he was driving to the 564 00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:57,119 to the grocery store or something to get beer in the middle of the night, 565 00:42:57,679 --> 00:43:01,079 and halfway there he started noticing his car was being followed by a light 566 00:43:01,159 --> 00:43:07,079 in the sky, and he comes he's coming on his back road. He 567 00:43:07,079 --> 00:43:10,000 comes around a bend in the road and all of a sudden, the craft 568 00:43:10,119 --> 00:43:15,599 is down in the middle of the road, And like two three hours later, 569 00:43:15,679 --> 00:43:17,639 he wakes up or comes to or whatever you want to call it, 570 00:43:19,079 --> 00:43:23,000 not knowing what happened to the hours prior. He didn't even realize how much 571 00:43:23,079 --> 00:43:27,039 time had passed until he drives into town and goes to the grocery store and 572 00:43:27,079 --> 00:43:30,960 walks in and realizes as they're closing he had left home at like he had 573 00:43:30,039 --> 00:43:34,360 left home at like eight o'clock and it was now almost midnight something like that, 574 00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:40,920 and realizes all this time's beast goes home, and then later he would 575 00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:45,920 have some Some things happened physically, he was waking. He woke up with 576 00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:50,079 scoop marks on the back of his neck, which he was he actually showed 577 00:43:50,079 --> 00:43:55,440 to us he had. One day he was out fixing his car and he 578 00:43:55,599 --> 00:44:00,119 started feeling dampness on his leg. He looked down and there was blood seeping 579 00:44:00,159 --> 00:44:06,239 through his pants. Not there wasn't a rip, it was like blood was 580 00:44:06,239 --> 00:44:07,800 was coming out of his pants. He goes inside, he drops his pants 581 00:44:08,159 --> 00:44:15,079 and he's got a massive scoop mark in his leg um that almost looks cauterized 582 00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:21,360 where blood is now pulling inside of um. And then he started getting and 583 00:44:21,400 --> 00:44:24,760 then he started waking up with nosebleeds, with with dried blood all around his 584 00:44:24,840 --> 00:44:31,519 face. And and I guess one of these times he woke up with with 585 00:44:31,559 --> 00:44:36,159 the nosebleed. He went into his children's room the next morning. He had 586 00:44:36,199 --> 00:44:42,519 three twins, and then his wife also had a son um wow, And 587 00:44:42,639 --> 00:44:45,880 when they went into the bedroom, all four of these kids had blood coming 588 00:44:45,920 --> 00:44:51,039 out of their nose. So the triplets and the little boy had had blood 589 00:44:51,039 --> 00:44:53,320 coming out of their nose. What was really strange about that to me? 590 00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:59,480 And this is one this probably points to a larger, a larger, you 591 00:44:59,519 --> 00:45:04,880 know, statement about experiencers and how they all react differently to what happens to 592 00:45:04,920 --> 00:45:09,280 them. But Shannon was really curious if Gary, how Gary felt about that, 593 00:45:09,719 --> 00:45:13,679 you know, because now your homes being invaded, your children are being 594 00:45:14,039 --> 00:45:19,199 brought into this, how do you feel about it? And he was very 595 00:45:19,239 --> 00:45:20,960 I don't know how to put it. I don't know how to put it 596 00:45:21,039 --> 00:45:24,320 right. He wasn't angry. If this was me, I'd be angry, 597 00:45:24,719 --> 00:45:28,679 you know, I'd be very very angry. I'd want to know what's happening. 598 00:45:28,719 --> 00:45:32,719 I'd want to protect my children. Was his reaction wasn't anger It was 599 00:45:32,800 --> 00:45:37,800 it was more of a sort of like acceptance of what's happening. And I 600 00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:45,079 thought that was really an interesting dichotomy with how you would expect him to react 601 00:45:45,079 --> 00:45:49,960 to something like that. But what I just said is honestly barely, barely 602 00:45:50,199 --> 00:45:53,159 scraping the surface of all the things that he told us about while we were 603 00:45:53,199 --> 00:45:55,719 in there. His interview went for about forty five minutes, and it was 604 00:45:55,760 --> 00:46:00,000 really him just sort of recalling all these things that happened. He recalled his 605 00:46:00,079 --> 00:46:06,840 mom having sightings um outside of their house as a child, of lights and 606 00:46:06,880 --> 00:46:13,039 the sky, he recalled um, he recalled his his I believe it was 607 00:46:13,119 --> 00:46:17,920 his mom came into his room when he was a kid, and and oh 608 00:46:17,960 --> 00:46:22,800 maybe it was him. Maybe maybe he recalled going into his children's room and 609 00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:24,920 seeing something in the room in the middle of the night. UM. So, 610 00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:29,559 whatever whatever the case may be, it was was pretty obvious that whatever 611 00:46:29,599 --> 00:46:35,440 had happened to him had never stopped and seemed to be generational. Wow. 612 00:46:35,719 --> 00:46:38,199 Wow, that's really interesting. Well I have to tell you up. Well, 613 00:46:38,280 --> 00:46:40,679 first of all, I'm going to tell something a little personal about myself 614 00:46:40,679 --> 00:46:45,679 that I'd never really talk about. And uh, but it's nice and that 615 00:46:45,920 --> 00:46:50,960 is up. Um. Well it all started. I went into Staples, 616 00:46:51,519 --> 00:46:54,760 Local Staples up to do some work on an appraisal that I'm doing basically for 617 00:46:54,800 --> 00:47:00,760 the antiques world, and um, the the girl at the counter said, 618 00:47:00,760 --> 00:47:05,360 oh, I like your lighthouse that you have for your logo. What made 619 00:47:05,360 --> 00:47:07,000 you choose a lighthouse? And I said, well, I said, it's 620 00:47:07,039 --> 00:47:13,000 an interesting story. My father was a lighthouse keeper in the Coast Guard and 621 00:47:13,039 --> 00:47:16,599 he was lonely at a place called a whale back light in kit Re, 622 00:47:16,760 --> 00:47:22,039 Maine. He was very lone. He was from Georgia and so he's out 623 00:47:22,039 --> 00:47:25,320 there all alone for like a long stretch at a time. So he would 624 00:47:25,360 --> 00:47:30,519 call the operator just for someone to talk to. And he met the operator 625 00:47:30,599 --> 00:47:35,719 and fell in love with her. And that was my mother. So it's 626 00:47:35,800 --> 00:47:37,840 quite a story. So I told her that story and she said, oh, 627 00:47:37,880 --> 00:47:38,800 that's great. She goes, hey, have you gone to the local 628 00:47:38,880 --> 00:47:43,280 lighthouse out here? And I said, yeah, I've been there. It's 629 00:47:43,920 --> 00:47:46,159 quite nice. And she says, did you know it's haunted? And I 630 00:47:46,239 --> 00:47:51,639 said, it's Al's Head Lighthouse. I guess it has a story of being 631 00:47:51,679 --> 00:47:57,119 haunted. So I said no, I didn't know that. And anyway, 632 00:47:57,519 --> 00:48:00,039 so she goes, well, I said, out, you know, guess 633 00:48:00,079 --> 00:48:04,239 what I do a show on UFOs. And so she started to tell me 634 00:48:04,280 --> 00:48:08,159 the story and it was very interesting. I love hearing UFO stories from people 635 00:48:08,239 --> 00:48:14,360 that don't really pay attention to the UFO topic and they had an experience and 636 00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:19,320 they are probably telling the experience for maybe a couple of times in their life 637 00:48:19,360 --> 00:48:23,920 or whatever, or anyway, it's always interesting. And she said something along 638 00:48:23,960 --> 00:48:30,000 the lines of basically describing what she saw, which was some type of craft 639 00:48:30,159 --> 00:48:35,360 and lights, and then her parents seeing it. But then her parents the 640 00:48:35,440 --> 00:48:39,639 next day had no idea and she said it was almost like they didn't know 641 00:48:39,760 --> 00:48:44,159 the time had gone by. And it's again, it's like the missing time. 642 00:48:44,199 --> 00:48:47,320 You mentioned that. That's kind of what a lot of people talk about, 643 00:48:47,400 --> 00:48:53,800 this missing time thing, which I think is fascinating. It's not unusually 644 00:48:53,840 --> 00:48:59,320 you can go it. Yeah, his story. Gary's story really reminded me 645 00:48:59,320 --> 00:49:04,920 of very Arc, who we interviewed for our Invasion on Chestnut Ridge movie back 646 00:49:04,960 --> 00:49:13,159 in twenty seventeen. He Barry had very similar occurrences to Gary, almost eerily 647 00:49:13,239 --> 00:49:15,519 so, in that he was driving somewhere one night, sees a light and 648 00:49:15,599 --> 00:49:22,800 Sky wakes up hours later, doesn't know what happened, and then starts suffering 649 00:49:22,840 --> 00:49:29,159 from physical effects after the fact, you know. And Barry Clark was a 650 00:49:29,280 --> 00:49:32,840 major UFO case investigator in the nineteen seventies with Stan Gordon. He was one 651 00:49:32,880 --> 00:49:40,199 of Stan Gordon's like right hand guys. And Barry was so studious and in 652 00:49:40,440 --> 00:49:46,559 documenting things that happened to him. He had file cabinets full of cases he 653 00:49:46,599 --> 00:49:51,199 had looked into, and when all of this started happening, it drove him 654 00:49:51,239 --> 00:49:52,960 out of the field to the point where he burned all of his files. 655 00:49:53,599 --> 00:49:58,920 The stuff, the stuff that happened to him was so traumatic, and I 656 00:49:58,960 --> 00:50:00,320 mean, this was the only time we've ever had this happen. He actually 657 00:50:00,360 --> 00:50:05,639 shut yet, he had to shut off the cameras and he told us, 658 00:50:05,679 --> 00:50:07,400 like all these things that had happened, he didn't want to document it. 659 00:50:07,400 --> 00:50:10,880 And I'm not permitted obviously to tell what happened to him. But it was 660 00:50:12,559 --> 00:50:15,400 one of the more disturbing interviews I've ever been a part of because you could 661 00:50:15,400 --> 00:50:22,039 immediately see how much it affected him emotionally and mentally even to that day. 662 00:50:22,280 --> 00:50:24,559 Wow. Wow, it's amazing. In the scoop marks you talked about, 663 00:50:24,639 --> 00:50:30,159 that's something you do here quite a bit about. It's not unusual. We're 664 00:50:30,199 --> 00:50:34,880 actually going into a real break this time. So when we come back about 665 00:50:34,920 --> 00:50:37,519 a half hour into the next segment, we're going to be taking phone calls. 666 00:50:37,559 --> 00:50:40,599 So that number, if you want to write it down, is, 667 00:50:42,920 --> 00:50:47,679 let's see, it's eight five five four seven two five four eighty three. 668 00:50:49,000 --> 00:50:52,159 And again we'll be doing that about a half hour in. And my guest 669 00:50:52,199 --> 00:50:58,119 tonight is Seth Breedlove and we'll be right back right after these messages. All 670 00:50:58,239 --> 00:51:01,079 right, everyone, welcome back to the show. My guest tonight is Seth 671 00:51:01,320 --> 00:51:08,199 Greedlove, and we were talking about his series called On the Trail of UFOs 672 00:51:08,719 --> 00:51:15,000 and so, what other on the Trail series do you have on the Trail 673 00:51:15,039 --> 00:51:17,840 of big Foot? I can see that one. Yeah, It's it's funny 674 00:51:17,880 --> 00:51:22,639 because the idea behind the entire on the Trail of concept is kind of changed 675 00:51:22,679 --> 00:51:27,079 originally on the Trail of each season was going to focus on a different subject. 676 00:51:27,119 --> 00:51:30,559 So the first season was all about the Lake Monster champ that said to 677 00:51:30,599 --> 00:51:36,480 the reside in Lake Champlain, and then from there we did On the Trail 678 00:51:36,519 --> 00:51:38,400 of Bigfoot. But it's going to morph now because On the Trail of big 679 00:51:38,400 --> 00:51:42,840 foot's about the pick up a season two, and that's going to be happening 680 00:51:42,840 --> 00:51:45,199 at the same time that On the Trail of the Lake Michigan Mothman, which 681 00:51:45,239 --> 00:51:49,000 is a special event that's probably going to be around ninety minutes, will come 682 00:51:49,000 --> 00:51:53,079 out. So it's basically morphing into its own sort of sub subsect of small 683 00:51:53,079 --> 00:51:59,639 town monsters. It's it's basically our way to do episodic storytelling. We'd really 684 00:51:59,679 --> 00:52:01,880 like to do a second season on the Trail of UFOs. So what we're 685 00:52:01,880 --> 00:52:05,639 looking to do eventually is get to the point where we would have like On 686 00:52:05,679 --> 00:52:07,800 the Trail of Bigfoot running, on the Trail of UFOs running, and then 687 00:52:07,840 --> 00:52:13,320 another on the Trailer of sort of series each year, and that's addition to 688 00:52:13,360 --> 00:52:15,679 the films we put out. So there's a lot a lot in her future. 689 00:52:15,719 --> 00:52:20,519 But yeah, On the Trail of Bigfoot was sort of the one that 690 00:52:22,000 --> 00:52:27,400 propelled the entire idea forward, and that came out last year and it's at 691 00:52:27,400 --> 00:52:30,159 like four million people have watched on the Trail of Bigfoot. So that's that's 692 00:52:30,159 --> 00:52:36,280 what really helped set that path for us. I know this isn't about UFOs, 693 00:52:36,320 --> 00:52:42,800 but I'm still a little bit fascinated about the Lake Champlain. Did you 694 00:52:42,920 --> 00:52:47,119 find anything interesting, anything interesting come out of that? Well? I that's 695 00:52:47,119 --> 00:52:52,599 actually the only STM project I didn't direct. I produced that. But what 696 00:52:52,760 --> 00:52:57,400 Alexander Pettikov, who directed it, put in the series that I thought was 697 00:52:57,519 --> 00:53:01,760 most compelling was the where the petrogs that they found in the river, one 698 00:53:01,760 --> 00:53:06,800 of the rivers that feeds into Lake Champlain. The actually found these petroglyphs that 699 00:53:06,840 --> 00:53:13,079 were would have been done centuries ago by local native tribes. They clearly depict 700 00:53:13,239 --> 00:53:19,280 some sort of pleasius or looking creature, and I thought that alone was a 701 00:53:19,360 --> 00:53:23,079 pretty strong piece of evidence for the existence of something at some point in history 702 00:53:23,559 --> 00:53:28,599 having been in that area. Am I hearing music? Do I hear music? 703 00:53:29,239 --> 00:53:30,960 That is that clock? That is all the clock? Yes? You 704 00:53:31,000 --> 00:53:35,679 mentioned our lovely town Square clock. Okay, yeah, you can't do much 705 00:53:35,679 --> 00:53:39,559 about that. I was actually stranded on Lake Champlain. I had an antique 706 00:53:39,599 --> 00:53:45,199 boat that had an engine trouble, so I was staying at a hotel on 707 00:53:45,239 --> 00:53:47,880 the lake, and it was four o'clock in the morning by the time I 708 00:53:47,920 --> 00:53:52,320 got back, and I was lost. I got totally lost in the middle 709 00:53:52,360 --> 00:53:55,360 of the night out there, and I started some passive I started thinking about 710 00:53:55,360 --> 00:54:01,840 that Lake Lonster. Yeah, but are there actual people that have taken pictures 711 00:54:02,000 --> 00:54:06,519 or I don't recall of anything. I mean, I think I think it's 712 00:54:06,559 --> 00:54:12,119 like Bigfoot or anything. You know, there are a number of purported photographs 713 00:54:12,320 --> 00:54:15,679 of what people claim his champ, none of them entirely convincing. You know, 714 00:54:15,920 --> 00:54:22,400 it's like anything that the best evidence it's like UFOs or Bigfoot. The 715 00:54:22,400 --> 00:54:28,199 best evidence comes down to the fact that you've got these very believable, perfectly 716 00:54:28,519 --> 00:54:32,360 reasonable, rational people who will tell you they saw something and weirdly enough, 717 00:54:32,400 --> 00:54:37,519 I mean, we made a movie near Lake Champlain back in twenty sixteen, 718 00:54:38,000 --> 00:54:44,800 actually filmed in twenty fifteen, called The Beast of Whitehall. And Whitehall is 719 00:54:44,840 --> 00:54:47,800 this tiny town that's actually the birthplace of the US Navy. It sits right 720 00:54:47,840 --> 00:54:53,440 on the banks of Lake Champlain and the Champlain Canal runs right through the middle 721 00:54:53,480 --> 00:54:57,119 of the town. But we made a movie about a bigfoot siding there that 722 00:54:57,159 --> 00:55:00,159 happened in the seventies. While we were making this Bigfoot movie, we up 723 00:55:00,159 --> 00:55:04,519 to having people come up and tell us about their champ their champ encounters, 724 00:55:04,519 --> 00:55:07,199 and that was sort of actually the first time I thought, we need to 725 00:55:07,239 --> 00:55:10,559 do a movie about Champum. But yeah, there's there's a lot of witnesses, 726 00:55:10,559 --> 00:55:14,239 a lot of people still claiming to see something in there, you know 727 00:55:14,400 --> 00:55:21,679 today, but nothing super believable in the way of photographic evidence, right right. 728 00:55:22,239 --> 00:55:24,639 You know. I got to ask you this when you have done all 729 00:55:24,639 --> 00:55:30,119 these different series and looked into all these different things, were their crossovers were 730 00:55:30,840 --> 00:55:35,639 you know, the same place that you just mentioned kind of a crossover there 731 00:55:35,639 --> 00:55:38,599 with the champ you know, people seeing him. But were there are other 732 00:55:38,679 --> 00:55:44,320 crossovers between big foot in UFOs You kind of hear that sometimes. I think 733 00:55:44,360 --> 00:55:49,199 the biggest is is actually the Chessnut Ridge where Stan Gordon is, because you've 734 00:55:49,320 --> 00:55:53,639 you've got so much strange activity taking place up there and we we I don't 735 00:55:53,639 --> 00:55:57,719 know if it's just that the Chestnut Ridge is relatively close to where I live, 736 00:55:58,079 --> 00:56:00,039 but we can't seem to escape. It. Made this movie in two 737 00:56:00,559 --> 00:56:06,480 seventeen called Invasion on Chestnut Ridge, which was actually a massive flop. But 738 00:56:06,679 --> 00:56:09,599 for some reason, it's like it's like the movie that everyone I talked to 739 00:56:09,760 --> 00:56:13,719 really loves, and for some reason I feel like it's it's one of our 740 00:56:13,719 --> 00:56:17,760 best. Um it's there's there's people in Hollywood I've spoken to who found us 741 00:56:17,760 --> 00:56:21,840 because of that movie. Um, so it's it's a weird thing. But 742 00:56:21,960 --> 00:56:24,199 we made that movie in twenty seventeen, and then we went back in twenty 743 00:56:24,400 --> 00:56:29,000 eighteen and shot episodes of On the Trail of Bigfoot, and then this year 744 00:56:29,039 --> 00:56:32,159 we shot more for for On the Trail of UFOs. And it's a place 745 00:56:32,199 --> 00:56:42,840 where you've got a confluence of very strange paranormal slash uphological slash cryptozoological activity all 746 00:56:42,880 --> 00:56:50,480 taking place in one location. But that Whitehall Bannington Triangle upstate New York, 747 00:56:50,840 --> 00:56:54,320 you know the Adirondack stretching up into like a Vermont and Connecticut. There's a 748 00:56:54,320 --> 00:56:58,800 lot of really weird activity that happens up there too, where you get you 749 00:56:58,840 --> 00:57:02,199 know, UFOs Bigfoot scene together. The strangest thing about Whitehall is you have 750 00:57:04,679 --> 00:57:07,960 it's everything. While we were there, we spoke to bigfoot witnesses. The 751 00:57:08,000 --> 00:57:13,079 Whitehall case is one of the more famous bigfoot cases, but you've also got 752 00:57:13,199 --> 00:57:15,559 Champ right down the road. And then while we were there, we had 753 00:57:15,599 --> 00:57:22,199 these police officers tell us about seeing a what they claim is a terrodactyl sit 754 00:57:22,320 --> 00:57:27,239 in a tree right down the road from a bear road, which is sort 755 00:57:27,239 --> 00:57:32,239 of the location of this really famous bigfoot you know sighting. But that's that's 756 00:57:32,480 --> 00:57:37,719 those two places are the ones that seem to have the most of that sort 757 00:57:37,719 --> 00:57:42,159 of activity that we've been to or we've made films on. And the Chestnut 758 00:57:42,199 --> 00:57:45,119 Ridge. There's so much to explore with the Chestnut Ridge that I've kicked around 759 00:57:45,119 --> 00:57:50,920 the idea of doing an entire episodic series just hanging out with stand Gordon as 760 00:57:50,920 --> 00:57:54,079 he takes us through all the crazy stuff he's investigated. We met up a 761 00:57:54,199 --> 00:57:59,639 year like a year ago at a con somewhere, and the first thing he 762 00:57:59,679 --> 00:58:02,119 says when he sits down is he sits down and goes, well, now, 763 00:58:02,280 --> 00:58:06,800 now I'm getting reports from a local police officer of this creature with no 764 00:58:06,960 --> 00:58:10,280 head. It's got eyes in the middle of his chest and no warms and 765 00:58:10,360 --> 00:58:15,679 I'm just like, yeah, I mean, why wouldn't you Sure Like every 766 00:58:15,719 --> 00:58:19,840 time it's Akistan, he's got something, you know, something insane he's he's 767 00:58:19,840 --> 00:58:22,599 looking into on the ridge. It's and it's never surprising. Yeah, all 768 00:58:22,719 --> 00:58:27,519 stands great. He's been on the show a number of times and he does 769 00:58:27,880 --> 00:58:30,199 he actually does a great job, and he's he's he's not a BS guy. 770 00:58:30,280 --> 00:58:34,519 I mean, you just know he doesn't try to stare anyone in any 771 00:58:34,599 --> 00:58:40,039 certain way. Um. We had I love his work on Kecksburg, which 772 00:58:40,079 --> 00:58:44,599 is still a mystery. Some people say it was you know, uh, 773 00:58:45,199 --> 00:58:47,559 I forget exactly what I had someone on that. There was a little bit 774 00:58:47,599 --> 00:58:52,800 of a debate on what the object actually was. But yeah, he's always 775 00:58:52,840 --> 00:58:58,519 great. He's got the stories about everything that are happening here. I can 776 00:58:58,599 --> 00:59:01,440 understand why I want to do that. Yeah. Yeah, So, um, 777 00:59:01,840 --> 00:59:06,599 one of some of the other places you ended up traveling to and and 778 00:59:07,079 --> 00:59:12,480 talking you know, some other cases. Yeah, for this for this series, 779 00:59:12,559 --> 00:59:17,119 we started in so the first trip actually took us to Nevada and Arizona, 780 00:59:17,159 --> 00:59:22,079 and we started in Phoenix. Um, we interviewed doctor Keti about the 781 00:59:22,760 --> 00:59:29,079 Phoenix Lights, and then we interviewed another. I don't know if you can 782 00:59:30,039 --> 00:59:36,360 quantify as what he experienced as an abduction. But Donovan, we interviewed in 783 00:59:36,400 --> 00:59:38,920 Phoenix as well. On Donovan had this really unusual incident that happened to him 784 00:59:38,920 --> 00:59:40,880 when he was a kid. He woke up in the middle of the night. 785 00:59:42,719 --> 00:59:45,320 He went to get out of bed to go to the bathroom, and 786 00:59:45,639 --> 00:59:51,599 this strangely green mist appeared under his bed and he felt like it was trying 787 00:59:51,639 --> 00:59:54,679 to grab him keep him in the place. He jumped back into bed, 788 00:59:55,360 --> 01:00:00,679 and the next day he was told by a friend of school they had seen 789 01:00:00,719 --> 01:00:05,840 a UFO hovering over his house roughly around the same time, that this would 790 01:00:05,880 --> 01:00:10,719 have happened to him, and that that story is relayed much better by him 791 01:00:10,880 --> 01:00:15,239 in episode seven of On the Trail of UFOs. But that was sort of 792 01:00:15,280 --> 01:00:19,199 the first stop of that trip was Phoenix, where we interviewed those two people 793 01:00:19,239 --> 01:00:22,679 and Alejandro. Actually we did Alejandro's interview in Phoenix as well, and then 794 01:00:22,679 --> 01:00:28,039 we did Sedona. We traveled to Sedona. While we were in Sedona, 795 01:00:28,159 --> 01:00:37,039 we interviewed ron Ron Rigear and Malava. Malava is actually a tribal elder. 796 01:00:37,440 --> 01:00:43,639 We are not allowed to state who his tribe is. But it's pretty obvious. 797 01:00:43,679 --> 01:00:45,239 I mean, if you watch the episode, it's pretty obvious who he's 798 01:00:45,239 --> 01:00:51,639 talking about, and their stories were both. Ron is one of my favorite 799 01:00:51,639 --> 01:00:55,280 people as far as like the way the way he's so old school about everything 800 01:00:55,280 --> 01:01:00,280 and just just sort of his recollections of working on the radars when when like 801 01:01:00,320 --> 01:01:05,239 the Phoenix lights happened, the satellite array that he was he was actually tasked 802 01:01:05,280 --> 01:01:08,400 with operating at that time, He was aware of what was happening in Phoenix 803 01:01:08,800 --> 01:01:15,440 when it was happening. He was actually tracking the Phoenix lights from this geosynchronous 804 01:01:15,440 --> 01:01:19,599 satellite that he was actually that was his job at the time, was to 805 01:01:19,679 --> 01:01:22,119 monitor this satellite and they were actually able to track the Phoenix lights. He 806 01:01:22,199 --> 01:01:29,920 also was involved in tracking the Tehran Iran UFO that that occurred as well. 807 01:01:30,000 --> 01:01:35,480 Oh I wasn't here. Yeah, um so so both of those should we 808 01:01:35,760 --> 01:01:37,840 really should just back up just a little bit for the new listener. Yeah. 809 01:01:37,880 --> 01:01:42,599 I think it was something like March thirteenth or something like that in nineteen 810 01:01:42,679 --> 01:01:47,239 ninety seven, the Phoenix the Phoenix lights, uh and and ongoing. You 811 01:01:47,280 --> 01:01:52,239 know a lot of people have reported seeing something similar, but some people have 812 01:01:53,960 --> 01:02:00,639 including Peter Davenport, has gotten calls at night and people were were estimating something 813 01:02:00,679 --> 01:02:07,079 that could have been miles wide, that the object was so big and going 814 01:02:07,119 --> 01:02:12,239 over but that was in more than one state, you said, so, 815 01:02:12,599 --> 01:02:15,280 yeah, it seems like it's And that's that's where ron came in. Is 816 01:02:15,639 --> 01:02:22,079 is where they first tracked. Where they first saw the Phoenix lights appear on 817 01:02:22,239 --> 01:02:29,639 their geosynchronous satellite UM was coming out over area fifty one, so they see 818 01:02:29,639 --> 01:02:32,039 it near area fifty one for the first time. Is where they first catch 819 01:02:32,039 --> 01:02:36,639 a blip of this thing, and then they track it all the way to 820 01:02:37,559 --> 01:02:43,159 Phoenix UM and along the way it supposedly went over Las Vegas and what the 821 01:02:43,280 --> 01:02:45,199 for For anyone who doesn't know what the Phoenix Lights are, it seems to 822 01:02:46,400 --> 01:02:52,400 descriptions vary in terms of the number of lights, but the most common description 823 01:02:52,480 --> 01:02:57,000 that is that it was basically seven lights in a in a v formation that 824 01:02:57,079 --> 01:03:02,360 traveled across um, Arizona, and Nevada. Apparently according to run a year 825 01:03:02,440 --> 01:03:07,800 beginning near area fifty one and it travels down over the area and it is 826 01:03:07,960 --> 01:03:14,000 witnessed by thousands of people all across the area. That I was actually asked 827 01:03:14,039 --> 01:03:19,880 recently why it's a historically significant case, and I said, the reason it's 828 01:03:20,000 --> 01:03:23,880 historically significant is that we can still talk to This isn't like Roswell where we've 829 01:03:23,920 --> 01:03:30,519 lost all the pertinent witnesses. This is we're still able to go talk to 830 01:03:30,559 --> 01:03:35,639 these people and learn from them if people actually do that, and that that 831 01:03:35,840 --> 01:03:38,559 every year, more and more witnesses are coming forward that claim they saw, 832 01:03:38,880 --> 01:03:42,639 you know, the Phoenix lights. So I think it's important just just for 833 01:03:42,679 --> 01:03:45,440 that reason. Um, but yeah, the lights were seeing all across the 834 01:03:45,480 --> 01:03:52,519 area. They go over the the city of Phoenix, they actually hover over 835 01:03:52,599 --> 01:03:59,159 the Sky Harbor International Airport. They're they're seen on their radar by air traffic 836 01:03:59,199 --> 01:04:04,159 controllers who claimed that the craft This was stated by air traffic controllers that the 837 01:04:04,199 --> 01:04:09,719 craft that was seen on radar was over a mile wide. So whatever this 838 01:04:09,800 --> 01:04:13,599 thing was, it was, it was huge, it was silent, and 839 01:04:13,679 --> 01:04:18,880 it seemed to want to be seen. And the event was sort of laughed 840 01:04:18,880 --> 01:04:25,800 off by Governor Fife Symington, who later came out as being a witness of 841 01:04:25,960 --> 01:04:30,239 the of the Phoenix Lights. And it's gone down in history is one of 842 01:04:30,280 --> 01:04:33,159 the most important mass sightings in US history. Yeah, it was just h 843 01:04:33,400 --> 01:04:38,440 I forget the was a hailbop. I can't remember the comment. Yeah, 844 01:04:39,000 --> 01:04:42,360 it was a hailbop. Yeah, people are outside just to watch that. 845 01:04:42,480 --> 01:04:45,119 And that's why, you know, it was a clear knights so many sis 846 01:04:45,360 --> 01:04:49,480 and you know, some people claimed that it blacked out the stars up above 847 01:04:49,599 --> 01:04:55,880 and and another person said it looked like a wave, a heat wave, 848 01:04:56,000 --> 01:05:00,000 like you could see rippling um you know through it. U But still, 849 01:05:00,440 --> 01:05:05,360 you know the fact that it was silent, it was huge. If that 850 01:05:05,519 --> 01:05:11,639 technology, if that was military technology in nineteen ninety seven, it would be 851 01:05:12,800 --> 01:05:15,440 you know, amazing that it wouldn't be used, you know, somewhere somehow, 852 01:05:15,519 --> 01:05:19,239 or we wouldn't know something about it by this time. I would think. 853 01:05:20,280 --> 01:05:24,159 So yeah, I agreed. Yeah, And it's it's cool to me 854 01:05:24,280 --> 01:05:27,239 too, just just from like, you know, like what interests me about 855 01:05:27,239 --> 01:05:30,280 all this a lot of times is how culturally it impacts the area where where 856 01:05:30,679 --> 01:05:35,840 the events take place. And to see Phoenix, that that event has been 857 01:05:36,920 --> 01:05:41,920 embraced in a way by by the City of Phoenix now to the point where 858 01:05:41,960 --> 01:05:46,719 the Historical Society has an entire exhibit sort of dedicated to the Phoenix Lights that 859 01:05:46,719 --> 01:05:50,480 you can walk through. So there's there's little things like that that are I 860 01:05:50,519 --> 01:05:56,400 think important just from a euthological sort of incident standpoint. Right. I didn't 861 01:05:56,400 --> 01:05:59,599 even know about that until I watched her film. I didn't know they had 862 01:05:59,639 --> 01:06:02,320 a a little museum set up. I didn't realize either. Yeah, and 863 01:06:02,360 --> 01:06:06,360 that's in that is in the historical society. That is that is as that 864 01:06:06,519 --> 01:06:11,679 is as legitimate as you can get. Yeah. Um, yeah, there's 865 01:06:11,719 --> 01:06:15,000 illustrations. There's like there's a hanging craft, uh, you know, showing 866 01:06:15,159 --> 01:06:20,800 you know what most people saw thought they saw and yeah, um, and 867 01:06:21,679 --> 01:06:27,159 you know, it is interesting that Fife Symington, as you mentioned, you 868 01:06:27,199 --> 01:06:31,519 know, first of all, kind of ridiculed the situation his claim with that 869 01:06:31,920 --> 01:06:36,159 alien, um you know that came in and uh, you know, his 870 01:06:36,159 --> 01:06:41,400 his uh a friend or whatever came in and an alien costume him and said 871 01:06:41,440 --> 01:06:44,719 here's the culprit and all that. But you know, according to him, 872 01:06:44,719 --> 01:06:47,119 he was trying to release the tension because the phone was ringing off the hook, 873 01:06:47,159 --> 01:06:49,920 and you know, he had a lot of a lot of people to 874 01:06:49,960 --> 01:06:54,119 answer to. You wanted to give a shout out to someone that's in the 875 01:06:54,320 --> 01:07:00,119 chat room, right, Gary Treiber who I talked about earlier, Um was 876 01:07:00,159 --> 01:07:02,880 actually in there, so I'm not sure he's if he's still in there, 877 01:07:02,920 --> 01:07:06,440 but yeah, Gary, if Gary's in there, UM, shout out to 878 01:07:06,440 --> 01:07:10,599 Gary. And it was funny when I met Gary. We actually interviewed Gary 879 01:07:10,679 --> 01:07:14,559 for on the Trail of UFOs, but I had met him weeks prior at 880 01:07:14,559 --> 01:07:18,440 the Mothman Festival in West Virginia, which was kind of a strange coincidence because 881 01:07:18,480 --> 01:07:21,320 I had I had no idea who he was at the time, and then 882 01:07:21,320 --> 01:07:27,159 I wound up interviewing him for something completely unrelated in a state, you know, 883 01:07:27,239 --> 01:07:30,760 three states away a few weeks later. So that was that was one 884 01:07:30,800 --> 01:07:36,000 of those weird synchronicity right right. The Mothman is another thing that is bizarre. 885 01:07:36,079 --> 01:07:40,519 I know this is a show about UFOs, but occasionally we'll talk about 886 01:07:40,559 --> 01:07:45,159 other topics and I don't mind talking about that. But before I asked you 887 01:07:45,159 --> 01:07:48,320 about that, what is this Bell Witch? I don't know exactly what you 888 01:07:48,360 --> 01:07:55,639 call it? The Yeah, what is that exactly? Uh, there's there 889 01:07:55,719 --> 01:08:00,400 was a case from the eighteen hundreds where off the Bell family and Adams, 890 01:08:00,400 --> 01:08:08,519 Tennessee, we're haunted by a disembodied sort of voice and experienced a number of 891 01:08:08,920 --> 01:08:15,079 strange sort of pulter geist activity around their home. We're going to make a 892 01:08:15,119 --> 01:08:20,560 movie that examines, um, what what that story entailed, because it's never 893 01:08:20,600 --> 01:08:25,199 actually just been straight retold by anyone. You have a lot of the typical 894 01:08:25,239 --> 01:08:29,760 like ghost hunting shows with people running through houses with night vision on, but 895 01:08:29,960 --> 01:08:33,760 no one's ever done a historical documentary about that case. So we're going to 896 01:08:33,800 --> 01:08:39,319 do that. And then we're also going to we've thankfully made some really good 897 01:08:39,319 --> 01:08:45,439 contacts locally in Adams and we have some leads on some present day activity that 898 01:08:45,439 --> 01:08:47,920 we're really excited to get into as well. Wow, so there's a lot. 899 01:08:48,159 --> 01:08:51,239 There's a lot to that story that we're we're going to unpack, I 900 01:08:51,239 --> 01:08:56,720 think when we get into that and the Mothman up. So what did you 901 01:08:56,720 --> 01:09:00,279 you mentioned earlier? I believe you said something like there was actually you fo 902 01:09:00,439 --> 01:09:02,720 sightings. I didn't. I didn't Well, oh yeah, yeah, the 903 01:09:03,560 --> 01:09:10,399 Mothman, the sixties flap that took place in that Everyone sort of knows the 904 01:09:10,479 --> 01:09:15,119 Mothman because of the nineteen sixty six and sixty seventh flap. That whole thing 905 01:09:15,199 --> 01:09:20,079 was kicked off by the injured cold Woody Darrenburger encounter. I'm assuming you've heard 906 01:09:20,079 --> 01:09:26,039 of that. I have not. Okay, may buy something else, but 907 01:09:26,079 --> 01:09:29,079 I don't know of that. No. Yeah. The grinning Man, as 908 01:09:29,079 --> 01:09:35,000 he was called Woodrow Darrenburger, was a salesman that lived in a town called 909 01:09:35,000 --> 01:09:40,520 Mineral Wells, West Virginia, and he was on his way home one night 910 01:09:40,560 --> 01:09:45,199 from Parkersburg, West Virginia. He's driving down seventy seventh South, which would 911 01:09:45,199 --> 01:09:47,680 have been a two lane highway at the time. Today it's it's a big 912 01:09:47,760 --> 01:09:50,840 highway, but at the time it's just two lane highways. Driving home, 913 01:09:51,039 --> 01:09:57,439 he sees a craft in the sky. Craft drives over the highway lands next 914 01:09:57,439 --> 01:10:01,479 to the highway. He pulls to the side of the road and a hatch 915 01:10:01,760 --> 01:10:08,880 on this craft, which he described it as looking like an upturned or a 916 01:10:08,960 --> 01:10:13,399 kerosene lantern, like turned on its side essentially, or a chimney from the 917 01:10:13,479 --> 01:10:15,520 kerosene lantern, I think is how we put it. The hatch on. 918 01:10:15,560 --> 01:10:21,279 The door opens and outsteps this man that has a very eerie grin, who 919 01:10:21,359 --> 01:10:28,760 walks toward the car and telepathically communicates with Woodrow Darrenberger that he is a man 920 01:10:28,920 --> 01:10:34,439 named injuried cold from the planet Lannulus. Yeah, okay, so that kicks 921 01:10:34,479 --> 01:10:40,199 off that kicks off that event is actually what kicks off the moth Man event. 922 01:10:40,239 --> 01:10:43,640 And very often those two things are tied together. They're not like, 923 01:10:43,640 --> 01:10:47,720 they don't seem to have anything in common other than the fact that Mineral Wells 924 01:10:47,880 --> 01:10:51,880 is about an hour from point Pleasant. So two weird things happening in the 925 01:10:51,920 --> 01:10:57,840 span of like two nights. Apparently that's enough to connect them. But with 926 01:10:57,880 --> 01:11:01,520 that UFO sighting, the of inciting to kick off. Obviously, the Mothman 927 01:11:01,720 --> 01:11:08,079 was a six foot tall creature with a ten foot wingspan of red eyes that 928 01:11:08,159 --> 01:11:12,079 was seen all around the Ohio Valley during that time period and really all of 929 01:11:12,159 --> 01:11:15,720 Appalachia. But what most people seem to leave out of this, for some 930 01:11:15,960 --> 01:11:20,600 unknown reason, is that during the starting in like nineteen sixty four and continuing 931 01:11:20,640 --> 01:11:26,760 well into the nineteen seventies, there was a pretty much endless wave of UFO 932 01:11:26,840 --> 01:11:31,000 activity around West Virginia and to the point where we were making when we were 933 01:11:31,119 --> 01:11:33,920 making our Flatwoods Monster movie, we were in the town of Flatwoods, and 934 01:11:33,960 --> 01:11:39,039 Flatwoods is central West Virginia. It is smack dab in the middle of West 935 01:11:39,119 --> 01:11:42,600 Virginia. It is as West Virginia. When you think West Virginia, this 936 01:11:42,680 --> 01:11:47,119 is what you're probably calling to your mind. It's like back roads, would 937 01:11:47,159 --> 01:11:50,800 you know, like gravel roads. It's hills and hollers. It's people living 938 01:11:50,880 --> 01:11:54,800 up in the middle of nowhere, you know that don't wear shoes and drink 939 01:11:54,800 --> 01:11:58,039 a lot of moonshine and that kind of thing. And when you we were 940 01:11:58,199 --> 01:12:02,880 making that movie, we came to interview a witness who told us about her 941 01:12:02,920 --> 01:12:11,399 parents seeing or her grandparents, actually her mama and papa seeing UFOs almost on 942 01:12:11,439 --> 01:12:16,560 a nightly basis between like nineteen sixty five and nineteen seventy seven, to the 943 01:12:16,560 --> 01:12:23,439 point where they saw UFOs landing behind their barn. And I asked her, 944 01:12:23,479 --> 01:12:25,720 I said, that would have been at the height of sort of the Mothman 945 01:12:25,800 --> 01:12:28,560 stuff too, right sixty six and sixty seven. And she said, yes, 946 01:12:28,640 --> 01:12:31,760 that was right in right in that time period. And she said that 947 01:12:31,800 --> 01:12:34,920 it wasn't just them, it was people all around the state. So a 948 01:12:34,920 --> 01:12:40,680 lot of people think during sixty six and sixty seven win the Mothman sidings were 949 01:12:40,720 --> 01:12:43,960 going on, And a lot of this is because of John Keel and in 950 01:12:44,000 --> 01:12:46,239 fact, like I'm sorry, I'm not trying to get off track. Artists 951 01:12:46,279 --> 01:12:54,520 like Keel. Keel came two point pleasant to do a story on UFOs being 952 01:12:54,520 --> 01:12:59,520 seen around West Virginia for Playboy, so he was in. John Keel came 953 01:12:59,560 --> 01:13:01,479 to point wasn't for that reason, not really to cover the Mothman. It 954 01:13:01,560 --> 01:13:05,640 was because of the UFO wave. So he's there covering the UFO wave, 955 01:13:05,680 --> 01:13:11,239 and then the Mothman stuff starts happening. And what's really interesting is people always 956 01:13:11,279 --> 01:13:15,319 try to tie the Mothman to like the Silver Bridge collapse. Right because the 957 01:13:15,840 --> 01:13:19,760 Silver Bridge collapsed forty seven lives were lost. You can't really do it. 958 01:13:19,800 --> 01:13:25,600 There weren't sightings of the Mothman over the bridge, but there were sightings of 959 01:13:25,800 --> 01:13:29,720 UFOs all up and down the Ohio River in the days ahead of the collapse 960 01:13:29,760 --> 01:13:32,760 and in the days afterward. And I'm not blaming I'm not blaming the UFOs 961 01:13:32,800 --> 01:13:35,880 for collapsing the bridge. I'm just saying people like to draw that line, 962 01:13:35,960 --> 01:13:40,840 but they completely leave out the UFO aspect of that story. So there's there 963 01:13:40,880 --> 01:13:44,479 were there were major waves that were taking place all over the region at that 964 01:13:44,560 --> 01:13:48,640 time, to the point where the Charleston. I want to say it's the 965 01:13:48,720 --> 01:13:53,479 Herald Standard, I think is the name of the local paper there. They 966 01:13:53,520 --> 01:13:57,720 had a beat reporter who we interviewed for the moth made a Point Pleasant movie, 967 01:13:57,760 --> 01:14:01,199 who told us that they had a UFO desk. It was there were 968 01:14:01,319 --> 01:14:05,760 so many reports coming in. They had a UFO desk with a guy stationed 969 01:14:05,840 --> 01:14:11,640 on the phone to take UFO reports throughout the day. Mary Hire, who 970 01:14:11,680 --> 01:14:16,319 wrote who took a lot of the initial Mothman reports and lived in Point Pleasant 971 01:14:16,319 --> 01:14:23,640 despite working for the Athens, Ohio newspaper. She did a newspaper column called 972 01:14:23,640 --> 01:14:28,239 Where the Waters Mingle, And it started out as like her little slice of 973 01:14:28,279 --> 01:14:32,159 life column, and then over time morphed into her just like telling people's weird 974 01:14:32,279 --> 01:14:39,359 encounter stories from around the area, and the bulk of that column became her 975 01:14:39,439 --> 01:14:44,840 relating UFO cases. People people around the town of Point Pleasant and around Gallop 976 01:14:44,840 --> 01:14:49,399 Police, Ohio, and all around that Ohio River Valley area seeing UFOs during 977 01:14:49,439 --> 01:14:55,600 that sixty six, sixty seven and into the early seventies. What were they 978 01:14:56,079 --> 01:15:01,319 describing the UFOs like every everything under the sun? Really, um, you 979 01:15:01,359 --> 01:15:08,439 had you had. The most traditional thing that we've found is the description that 980 01:15:08,439 --> 01:15:12,680 we found a sort of just lights in the sky. Um but uh, 981 01:15:12,720 --> 01:15:16,359 you know, like you had your classic flying saucers, you had a cigar 982 01:15:16,439 --> 01:15:24,800 shaped object that hovered, was seen hovering over a school um end Point Pleasant. 983 01:15:24,840 --> 01:15:30,920 You had a case from UH nineteen sixty seven where a teacher from Point 984 01:15:30,960 --> 01:15:38,079 Pleasant was driving down the road that connects UH Point Pleasant to the T and 985 01:15:38,159 --> 01:15:42,439 D factory area, which is where sort of the first sightings of the Mothman 986 01:15:42,520 --> 01:15:45,119 took place at the TNT factory area. She was driving down that road and 987 01:15:45,239 --> 01:15:49,840 claimed that she saw a UFO flying in the sky. She saw the Mothman 988 01:15:50,000 --> 01:15:57,119 streak across the sky and seemingly go into a door on the on the UFO. 989 01:15:57,640 --> 01:16:01,279 UM. So so during during that hide of one of my favorite stories 990 01:16:01,319 --> 01:16:04,600 that gets left out of all of this a lot is a sighting that was 991 01:16:04,640 --> 01:16:09,760 actually related by I can't remember if this is two women or two men that 992 01:16:09,840 --> 01:16:15,039 were driving down seventy seven North the same night as Woodrow Darrenburger's encounter, who 993 01:16:15,079 --> 01:16:24,199 claimed that they saw a similarly shaped craft land on the side of the road 994 01:16:24,279 --> 01:16:29,000 and two men in coveralls get out of it, and that that sighting would 995 01:16:29,000 --> 01:16:34,479 almost corroborate to some extent Woodrow Darrenburger, but that story, for some reason, 996 01:16:34,520 --> 01:16:38,800 it never really gets talked about. But they're you know, like part 997 01:16:38,840 --> 01:16:43,720 of the part of the problem is that Keel's book is so disjointed. And 998 01:16:43,720 --> 01:16:47,119 I love Keel and I love his research, but that book is so disjointed, 999 01:16:47,119 --> 01:16:50,359 and it becomes more about him than it does the case, and a 1000 01:16:50,399 --> 01:16:58,680 lot of the details of those sixties UFO aspects of the story get sort of 1001 01:16:58,680 --> 01:17:02,680 glossed over in favor of like the men in black and the prophecies that he 1002 01:17:02,760 --> 01:17:08,479 was receiving. Wow, very interesting. We are now taking calls. I 1003 01:17:08,479 --> 01:17:12,159 actually see the phone ringing. We have a screener over there. Race will 1004 01:17:12,359 --> 01:17:17,319 talk to you, and that phone number is eight five five four seven two 1005 01:17:18,359 --> 01:17:23,680 five four eight three, And I see the phone ring and I don't see 1006 01:17:23,680 --> 01:17:30,159 it being picked up, So keep calling now there it goes. Okay, 1007 01:17:30,279 --> 01:17:34,039 so we'll have a call here in just a moment that you know, that 1008 01:17:34,079 --> 01:17:42,079 whole thing is fascinating. I never ever heard the UFO aspect of this. 1009 01:17:42,199 --> 01:17:45,000 I've heard a lot about the Mothman. Now was as far as you know, 1010 01:17:45,760 --> 01:17:53,880 was the Mothman as popular before that blockbuster movie. I mean, we're 1011 01:17:54,000 --> 01:17:59,079 not really okay, yeah, but I don't know why, because the movie 1012 01:17:59,159 --> 01:18:01,800 was popular, but it some popular enough where you would see it rocket to 1013 01:18:01,880 --> 01:18:05,520 the sort of like top cultural mainstay that it's become today. So I don't 1014 01:18:05,520 --> 01:18:12,159 know. There is something about the Mothman story and the Mothman as a character 1015 01:18:12,319 --> 01:18:18,960 quote unquote character that has appeal in ways that something like Bigfoot doesn't even have 1016 01:18:19,000 --> 01:18:25,279 anymore. It seems to draw the attention of a younger audience, especially much 1017 01:18:25,319 --> 01:18:30,239 more than than some of the other paranormal subjects that we've looked into. But 1018 01:18:30,479 --> 01:18:35,319 I also think there's way more sightings than than we realize. I'm making. 1019 01:18:35,479 --> 01:18:41,439 I'm making a follow up to The mothmana point pleasant called the Mothman Legacy that 1020 01:18:41,680 --> 01:18:45,079 tracks sightings from nineteen sixty seven up till present day. So the first movie 1021 01:18:45,119 --> 01:18:48,520 was about sixty six and sixty seven sort of ended with the collapse of the 1022 01:18:48,520 --> 01:18:54,720 Silver Bridge, but that bridge collapse didn't didn't sort of signal an end to 1023 01:18:54,800 --> 01:18:57,479 the sightings. They were sighting thlong and after that in their sightings today, 1024 01:18:57,680 --> 01:19:00,840 but we had no We've had no problem. I'm finding witnesses, which is 1025 01:19:00,880 --> 01:19:04,680 one of the first times I've run into that where you can basically throw a 1026 01:19:04,680 --> 01:19:10,079 stone and you'll hit someone who wants to tell you their moth Man sighting story. 1027 01:19:10,199 --> 01:19:15,119 Wow, that's great. We have Andy. Whoops. Yeah, I 1028 01:19:15,159 --> 01:19:16,640 think I'm going on the air. Yeah, Andy on the air from Connecticut. 1029 01:19:16,680 --> 01:19:20,560 How are you doing, Andy? How you doing guys? I'm doing 1030 01:19:20,560 --> 01:19:25,840 it again. How do you have a question for our guest tonight? Yes, 1031 01:19:25,880 --> 01:19:29,920 sir, My question for Seth is kind of a two part is is 1032 01:19:29,960 --> 01:19:36,199 he aware of what is his opinion on the cluster of sightings in the Chicago 1033 01:19:36,279 --> 01:19:41,880 area of winged humanoids, some of which are very similar to moth Man? 1034 01:19:42,199 --> 01:19:45,039 And then part two, i'll take your answer off the air, would be, 1035 01:19:45,479 --> 01:19:54,159 does Seth have a theory on everything somewhat into maybe Paul or ben Eno? 1036 01:19:55,039 --> 01:20:00,079 Is there a connection between all paranormal activity? And I'll take your answer 1037 01:20:00,079 --> 01:20:02,279 off the here. Thank you guys, good job, Yeah, thank you 1038 01:20:02,319 --> 01:20:08,960 And all right. Yeah, the we're actually going to make an on the 1039 01:20:09,000 --> 01:20:12,920 trail of the Lake Michigan Mothman, so that'll track those Chicago sightings. And 1040 01:20:12,960 --> 01:20:15,880 we've actually covered that topic already in our movie that came out last year called 1041 01:20:15,960 --> 01:20:20,039 Terror in the Skies where we tracked winged creature sightings all around the state of 1042 01:20:20,079 --> 01:20:27,159 Illinois going back centuries. But yeah, my knowledge of that case comes from 1043 01:20:27,199 --> 01:20:30,920 the minimal amount of time I spent on the case when we were making Terry 1044 01:20:30,920 --> 01:20:33,119 in the Skies. That story only makes up about eleven minutes of that movie, 1045 01:20:33,439 --> 01:20:36,640 but we're going to do a full ninety minute look at the case. 1046 01:20:38,119 --> 01:20:40,800 All I can tell you is that there's a lot more to it than you 1047 01:20:40,840 --> 01:20:46,960 would think just by looking into it. My initial outlook on the Chicago Mothman 1048 01:20:47,039 --> 01:20:51,119 stuff was that it was more than likely made up of misidentifications and hoaxes. 1049 01:20:51,640 --> 01:20:58,720 But in listening to what Tobias Wayland is sort of uncovered in his research into 1050 01:20:58,760 --> 01:21:04,119 that case, it seems like there's a lot of sightings that are going on 1051 01:21:04,840 --> 01:21:12,239 that are much more believable and verifiable than what was initially reported. And we're 1052 01:21:12,319 --> 01:21:15,359 now talking hundred, not hundreds, but well over a hundred sightings that stretch 1053 01:21:15,439 --> 01:21:20,479 back to twenty seventeen, and they're not just relegated to Chicagos. It's probably 1054 01:21:20,520 --> 01:21:24,560 worth mentioning as well. They were going to call the movie the Lake Michigan 1055 01:21:24,880 --> 01:21:29,760 on the trail of the Lake Michigan Mothman because they stretch that whole um Lake 1056 01:21:29,800 --> 01:21:36,880 Erie or Lake Michigan shoreline and towns you know in Indiana, Illinois, Michigan. 1057 01:21:38,000 --> 01:21:41,199 There's there's people that are seeing things all over that area. So I'm 1058 01:21:41,279 --> 01:21:45,000 very familiar with it. I'm not as well versed in it as I will 1059 01:21:45,039 --> 01:21:47,960 be in about a month when when we shoot that that series. And as 1060 01:21:47,960 --> 01:21:53,359 far as like having a theory of everything, I do not have a theory 1061 01:21:53,439 --> 01:21:57,399 of everything, and I don't ever subscribe to theories of everything. I think 1062 01:21:57,439 --> 01:22:04,760 it's trying to try to neatly tie everything together with a bow. Won't happen. 1063 01:22:05,079 --> 01:22:10,279 Albert there's Albert Einstein couldn't do it. Yeah, I just don't. 1064 01:22:10,319 --> 01:22:13,199 I just don't. I just don't think it's I just don't think it's doable. 1065 01:22:13,199 --> 01:22:15,479 And I know, I know, you know John Keel talked about the 1066 01:22:15,600 --> 01:22:19,439 ultra terrestrials and all that kind of stuff, and that was all sort of 1067 01:22:19,479 --> 01:22:25,000 aimed at uniting everything, coming up with a common, unifying theory for what 1068 01:22:25,079 --> 01:22:28,600 was the cause of it. And I just don't think that's You're not gonna 1069 01:22:28,680 --> 01:22:31,880 I don't think that's what we're what we're dealing with. I think Paul, 1070 01:22:31,960 --> 01:22:35,600 you know Paul and Benn, you know their Their theory is more or less 1071 01:22:35,760 --> 01:22:40,319 He's been on the show quite a few times, and I think it's more 1072 01:22:40,560 --> 01:22:46,159 or less a little long along the lines of interdimensional um is how he explains 1073 01:22:46,199 --> 01:22:53,720 that. Now have Dirk. Dirk is calling from Pennsylvania. Welcome to the 1074 01:22:53,720 --> 01:22:59,000 show, Dirk, Hi, thanks for going the show. I got three 1075 01:22:59,079 --> 01:23:03,960 things on Foot. Oddly enough, every time anything on. Bill Muns the 1076 01:23:04,079 --> 01:23:12,279 guy who restored the Patterson Gimwin and he's a monster makeup guy from Hollywood. 1077 01:23:13,239 --> 01:23:17,880 He did some excellent work. Yeah, I'm I'm very familiar with the work 1078 01:23:17,880 --> 01:23:23,159 he's done on the Patterson Gimwin film. I haven't connected with him yet, 1079 01:23:23,199 --> 01:23:26,920 but I'm actually hoping to in the next year or so. That would be 1080 01:23:26,960 --> 01:23:30,439 great because I think all of this information has gotten buried under a bunch of 1081 01:23:30,159 --> 01:23:34,319 not very good stuff. Well most of what most of what goes on, 1082 01:23:34,920 --> 01:23:41,159 most of what goes on with Bigfoot these days is not very good. So 1083 01:23:42,479 --> 01:23:46,319 I just think it's entertaining. And I have a problem with momos. He 1084 01:23:46,399 --> 01:23:51,520 only has three toes. There aren't any Basically, there's hardly any mammals at 1085 01:23:51,560 --> 01:23:56,279 all with three toes. Everything has five, including whales. If you look 1086 01:23:56,319 --> 01:24:02,319 at their skelton, they have five fingers perfectly yeah mey just can't be yeah. 1087 01:24:02,359 --> 01:24:06,560 And what's weird about that is there were a rash of sightings or not 1088 01:24:06,640 --> 01:24:12,399 sightings, but findings in the seventies of three toaed casts, including Stan Gordon 1089 01:24:12,439 --> 01:24:16,479 actually found some on the Chestnut Ridge, and they seemed to be in areas 1090 01:24:16,520 --> 01:24:21,439 where people were seeing, you know, bigfoot like creatures. That was one 1091 01:24:21,479 --> 01:24:25,920 of the stranger things about about the sightings of Momo was that they were finding 1092 01:24:25,960 --> 01:24:30,359 these three toed casts. At least one of the really famous track ways we 1093 01:24:30,439 --> 01:24:34,039 know was faked by this girl we actually interviewed for Momo, the Missouri Monster, 1094 01:24:34,079 --> 01:24:39,840 and she she recalled actually faking the trackway when she was a kid, 1095 01:24:40,600 --> 01:24:44,920 But the same thing actually happened with the Boggy Creek Monster, the Falcon Monster. 1096 01:24:45,239 --> 01:24:48,920 They the tracks they were finding where we're three toad or appeared to be 1097 01:24:48,960 --> 01:24:51,920 three toed down there as well. So during the seventies there was either like 1098 01:24:53,880 --> 01:24:59,760 an abnormally number high number of three toed bigfoot running around, which again like 1099 01:25:00,199 --> 01:25:03,640 I'm like you I don't think that that can be or there were a lot 1100 01:25:03,680 --> 01:25:09,880 of hoaxes, or there was misidentification of tracks that were you know, bear 1101 01:25:09,960 --> 01:25:14,239 steps or something. There's something going on there. Yeah, that actually brings 1102 01:25:14,239 --> 01:25:19,079 me to my last point pretty well, actually question the Bray Road Beast. 1103 01:25:19,399 --> 01:25:25,960 What that has gotten so popular now? Everybody is seeing these things everywhere and 1104 01:25:26,439 --> 01:25:28,720 that's kind of weird to me. I think it's kind of like those three 1105 01:25:28,760 --> 01:25:31,399 toad things things. People get it in their head and then they just start 1106 01:25:31,479 --> 01:25:35,680 seeing it. Yeah. What I always say is that people people want to 1107 01:25:35,720 --> 01:25:40,560 be a part of the story, so so that that is a problem you 1108 01:25:40,640 --> 01:25:45,159 get. You get case contamination where people the more popular a story becomes, 1109 01:25:45,479 --> 01:25:50,760 the less you can believe immediately every single thing that people tell you. And 1110 01:25:50,800 --> 01:25:55,800 obviously you always want to try to trust the witnesses, but you you can't 1111 01:25:55,840 --> 01:26:00,000 necessarily believe every single thing you're told. So, yeah, that the hot 1112 01:26:00,560 --> 01:26:05,640 cryptid right now seems to be dog Man, And I don't know I would 1113 01:26:05,840 --> 01:26:09,439 I mean, it would be cool to say it was because our movie The 1114 01:26:09,439 --> 01:26:12,960 Bray Road Beast that came out a year and a half ago, it was 1115 01:26:13,000 --> 01:26:15,520 a big hit, But I don't think I could take credit for that, 1116 01:26:15,560 --> 01:26:18,079 So I don't know if there's It does seem like there's more and more sightings 1117 01:26:18,119 --> 01:26:23,319 every year of what they call dog Man, and I don't know what that 1118 01:26:23,479 --> 01:26:27,479 is attributable too. I have no idea, and the sightings are so strange. 1119 01:26:28,199 --> 01:26:30,920 I do know a lot of the quadruped reports seem to just be um, 1120 01:26:31,720 --> 01:26:36,920 you know, like a koi wolves or some sort of wolf hybrid, 1121 01:26:38,560 --> 01:26:44,880 since those those reports very often do not actually entail a like a wolf on 1122 01:26:44,960 --> 01:26:48,560 a time legs. Very often it's just a abnormally large wolf running on four 1123 01:26:48,640 --> 01:26:53,720 legs. I think my favorite was the one wearing a hat and smoking a 1124 01:26:53,720 --> 01:26:59,039 cigarette. Yeah, yeah, I've seen that guy. Wow. All right, 1125 01:27:00,199 --> 01:27:02,039 A lots better about your movie spake all right, Yeah, we're going 1126 01:27:02,079 --> 01:27:08,159 to talk about how people can watch the movies too here before before the end 1127 01:27:08,199 --> 01:27:13,359 of the show, definitely. So we also have Josh. He's calling, 1128 01:27:13,520 --> 01:27:16,159 I think from the north part of the Hudson Valley, Albany, New York. 1129 01:27:16,479 --> 01:27:21,119 Josh, how you doing. I'm wonderful. How are you guys? 1130 01:27:21,359 --> 01:27:28,399 Good? Good? You have a question for our guest tonight, Yeah, 1131 01:27:28,479 --> 01:27:35,600 totally. Um, I've enjoyed your conversations very much. I called Martin. 1132 01:27:35,680 --> 01:27:42,159 I called when you had Gary Hesselton on and I asked about I spoke to 1133 01:27:42,239 --> 01:27:45,720 him about my sighting of an object with the barbershop type pole light on it. 1134 01:27:47,640 --> 01:27:55,359 Um so, But now I'm calling because Seth, I actually found your 1135 01:27:55,439 --> 01:28:01,359 work a while ago without knowing it was your work. The the movie The 1136 01:28:01,560 --> 01:28:06,439 Chestnut Yeah, that you had mentioned earlier that most people will find you through 1137 01:28:08,319 --> 01:28:13,720 Yeah. Yeah. Um, that's the first time I had seen anything from 1138 01:28:13,800 --> 01:28:20,600 you. I did. I enjoyed it very much, and I'm super looking 1139 01:28:20,640 --> 01:28:30,039 forward to the new series. I myself am a writer and filmmaker. It's 1140 01:28:30,119 --> 01:28:34,720 part of the reason I moved to New York from Massachusetts. Cool. I'm 1141 01:28:36,520 --> 01:28:45,239 wondering if you have any advice on on how I can get myself out there, 1142 01:28:46,000 --> 01:28:53,439 if you can talk about how you yourself? Um, I mean yeah, 1143 01:28:53,479 --> 01:28:57,520 anytime anyone asks for advice, I have a couple of things to say, 1144 01:28:57,600 --> 01:29:01,960 and they're always abnormal from what I hear from other filmmakers. But um 1145 01:29:02,239 --> 01:29:08,399 really like the first bit of advice is to be too dumb to fail, 1146 01:29:08,680 --> 01:29:14,079 because I genuinely I believe that's where I'm at. Like I'm I wouldn't even 1147 01:29:14,439 --> 01:29:17,239 say we're like a raging success. I mean, you know, like we 1148 01:29:17,239 --> 01:29:20,439 were, I make movies for a living, but you know, like we're 1149 01:29:20,479 --> 01:29:24,439 not. We're not Hollywood, we're not millionaires. We just get to do 1150 01:29:24,479 --> 01:29:27,880 what we love and I think that in itself is a success. But um, 1151 01:29:29,600 --> 01:29:32,720 yeah, yeah, but there's a certain um stupidity in what I do, 1152 01:29:32,840 --> 01:29:39,359 and that what we do has never been done before as a company. 1153 01:29:39,399 --> 01:29:43,119 I can tell you that as someone who who has an agent, who's talked 1154 01:29:43,159 --> 01:29:47,800 to other people, who understands that our business model is not a model you 1155 01:29:47,840 --> 01:29:54,520 can follow, and and there's no blueprint for what we do. Um And 1156 01:29:54,600 --> 01:29:58,640 at times there's been there have been times where we should have quit, where 1157 01:29:58,680 --> 01:30:03,520 I should have realized, I'm putting my I'm putting myself in financial distress, 1158 01:30:03,560 --> 01:30:09,199 I'm putting my wife through financial distress. I should probably call it a day. 1159 01:30:08,560 --> 01:30:12,720 And I was too dumb to do that. And so there is a 1160 01:30:12,800 --> 01:30:18,199 certain element of putting your head down and just bulldozing forward and being persistent in 1161 01:30:18,319 --> 01:30:23,560 what you're doing that goes into becoming a success. And then the other thing 1162 01:30:23,640 --> 01:30:27,960 is just to really work, and I mean like really really work and to 1163 01:30:28,279 --> 01:30:31,359 you know, like if you if you look at I'm a big basketball fan. 1164 01:30:31,479 --> 01:30:34,520 I'm weirdly enough, in the last couple of years, I've become a 1165 01:30:34,560 --> 01:30:38,640 sports guy. I never was growing up, but today I am for some 1166 01:30:38,680 --> 01:30:44,680 reason. One thing I look at a lot is those guys they never stop 1167 01:30:45,319 --> 01:30:47,800 working at what they do. So basketball players, they just play basketball. 1168 01:30:47,800 --> 01:30:53,239 They're constantly shooting, They're constantly working on the shot, free throws, whatever. 1169 01:30:53,720 --> 01:30:58,600 It's the same concept with filmmaking. Like all my free time that it 1170 01:30:58,680 --> 01:31:03,079 isn't spent with my wife and kid, I am watching YouTube tutorials on how 1171 01:31:03,079 --> 01:31:08,720 to edit better, better editing techniques. I'm trying to teach myself different aspects 1172 01:31:08,760 --> 01:31:12,439 of filmmaking that I don't know how to do so I can help us save 1173 01:31:12,560 --> 01:31:15,039 money. During the production and on the trail of UFOs, I had to 1174 01:31:15,079 --> 01:31:19,039 teach myself how to do effects work because our budget ran out, Like we 1175 01:31:19,079 --> 01:31:23,840 just didn't have money to keep hiring freelancers to do effects work, so I 1176 01:31:23,840 --> 01:31:27,520 had to teach myself how to do it. So there's a there's also just 1177 01:31:27,800 --> 01:31:30,560 a certain element of just you've got to keep your head down and work really 1178 01:31:30,600 --> 01:31:35,800 really hard. Josh, thanks for the call. Thanks for the answer. 1179 01:31:36,000 --> 01:31:40,039 You got to have a good night all right too. So the line is 1180 01:31:40,079 --> 01:31:44,800 open and that number again is eight five five four seven two five four eight 1181 01:31:44,920 --> 01:31:49,000 three. Yeah, I agree, hard work as uh. Maybe I'm I've 1182 01:31:49,039 --> 01:31:54,199 been a little too dumb for this UM show. I just keep going when 1183 01:31:54,199 --> 01:31:59,279 things come at me. But but it's still interesting and still you have to 1184 01:31:59,319 --> 01:32:04,359 have a passion for something otherwise why bother. And you just made a really 1185 01:32:04,399 --> 01:32:09,680 good point. If you if you love what you have to do, then 1186 01:32:09,720 --> 01:32:15,119 that success. And I'm lucky for what I actually have to do for work. 1187 01:32:15,159 --> 01:32:19,279 I really love what I do, and so that's it's all good stuff, 1188 01:32:19,439 --> 01:32:21,920 and it must be. I can't imagine. You know, I've been 1189 01:32:23,439 --> 01:32:28,760 a little bit involved in a film with a friend of mine, um over 1190 01:32:28,800 --> 01:32:31,119 the years, you know, many years ago. Actually, um, it's 1191 01:32:31,199 --> 01:32:35,600 so much fun. It's to me, it's not like not like working at 1192 01:32:35,640 --> 01:32:42,199 all. Good stuff. Yeah. My wife asked me what the most monotonous 1193 01:32:42,239 --> 01:32:46,439 part of my my job is, and I said, it's never the stuff 1194 01:32:46,479 --> 01:32:49,399 you think it would. It's not like the editing. Like I love all 1195 01:32:49,399 --> 01:32:53,880 the aspects of editing. Even when I'm sitting here in my computer keeps crashing 1196 01:32:53,880 --> 01:32:57,840 as I'm trying to run renders and stuff, you know, like you compared 1197 01:32:57,880 --> 01:33:00,640 to sitting at a desk doing data. And I'll take this any day. 1198 01:33:00,680 --> 01:33:04,960 But you know, for me, it's never It's never the things you think 1199 01:33:05,000 --> 01:33:09,239 it would be. You know. I love obviously, I love the travel 1200 01:33:09,560 --> 01:33:14,920 and filming on location, but even teaching myself the minuscule amount of effects work 1201 01:33:14,960 --> 01:33:17,840 I did on the trail of UFOs I had a blast with. So I'll 1202 01:33:17,880 --> 01:33:21,600 go home tonight and I'll watch tutorials when I get When I get home, 1203 01:33:21,680 --> 01:33:27,199 that's like, that's what I do in the evening, I watch various videos 1204 01:33:27,239 --> 01:33:30,640 about filmmaking. Yeah, yeah, we're in a time where you can do 1205 01:33:30,680 --> 01:33:32,720 that. I mean, yeah, you know, twenty years ago that would 1206 01:33:32,720 --> 01:33:35,920 be unheard of, unfin Yeah, I mean, honestly, I wish I 1207 01:33:36,000 --> 01:33:40,359 had said this to Josh, But like, don't don't buy I mean maybe 1208 01:33:40,359 --> 01:33:42,720 you already did, but don't buy into the idea that you have to go 1209 01:33:42,760 --> 01:33:45,760 to film school because at this point there's more You could go on YouTube and 1210 01:33:45,840 --> 01:33:50,560 learn more than you would going to going to film school. I took I 1211 01:33:50,600 --> 01:33:56,760 took a film course on a website taught by Werner Herzog, like, that's 1212 01:33:56,800 --> 01:34:00,159 not something you could have done five years ago, you know. Yeah, 1213 01:34:00,199 --> 01:34:03,880 so pretty awesome. One thing we haven't done yet, and that is we 1214 01:34:03,920 --> 01:34:11,319 haven't talked about when and where. Isn't the release today or no, the 1215 01:34:11,359 --> 01:34:14,880 official release date is actually March twentieth, so it's still it's still coming up. 1216 01:34:15,319 --> 01:34:17,439 We're still we're still a little ways out. But a link now an 1217 01:34:17,479 --> 01:34:21,239 active link or there is. Yeah, pre orders for the series. There's 1218 01:34:21,279 --> 01:34:25,439 two ways to pre order. You can pre order through the website at small 1219 01:34:25,479 --> 01:34:30,600 toolmasters dot com or you can guarantee a copy when you back the There's a 1220 01:34:30,680 --> 01:34:32,680 kickstarter that we run. We run a kickstarter at the start of every year 1221 01:34:32,720 --> 01:34:38,119 and that's how we fund everything we do through the year. And we launched 1222 01:34:38,119 --> 01:34:42,800 our kickstarter two weeks ago. We're one hundred and nineteen or one hundred and 1223 01:34:42,800 --> 01:34:45,720 seventeen percent funded now, so we already reached our goal. So we set 1224 01:34:45,720 --> 01:34:50,520 a stretch goal, and once we reached the stretch goal, we will be 1225 01:34:50,560 --> 01:34:54,479 doing our best to get on the trail of the Lake Michigan Mothman out this 1226 01:34:54,560 --> 01:34:57,640 year, in addition to the other three projects we haven't have coming out, 1227 01:34:57,680 --> 01:35:00,159 so if people want to look up the kickstarter all the informations on small Town 1228 01:35:00,199 --> 01:35:04,000 Monsters dot com. Well, that obviously is an attestament to your work if 1229 01:35:04,640 --> 01:35:09,319 you're getting funded like that, because there are many many people that try to 1230 01:35:09,680 --> 01:35:14,079 do those fund raisers and nothing happens. So I think it's I think it's 1231 01:35:14,319 --> 01:35:17,079 start working. And then also the rewards are really cool, Like we put 1232 01:35:17,439 --> 01:35:21,000 we put a lot of effort and time and money back into the campaign, 1233 01:35:21,119 --> 01:35:26,119 so basically what people put into the Kickstarter they get back in their rewards. 1234 01:35:26,119 --> 01:35:29,840 So there's like this year we added Blu ray copies, so if people want 1235 01:35:29,840 --> 01:35:31,399 to see you on the trail of UFOs and you've seen it, so like 1236 01:35:31,760 --> 01:35:38,159 the scenery in itself would be worth watching the series in my opinion. I 1237 01:35:38,199 --> 01:35:42,199 mean, obviously I'm the guy that made it, but seeing it on Blu 1238 01:35:42,319 --> 01:35:45,359 Ray is going to be incredible. I'm actually really excited about that. Very 1239 01:35:45,479 --> 01:35:48,600 I noticed that also whatever you're using for a camera is very good, and 1240 01:35:48,760 --> 01:35:55,279 also that you're editing if you're doing it yourself, as pretty impressive. I 1241 01:35:55,319 --> 01:35:58,000 told that to alle Hundre the other day when I was talking with them. 1242 01:35:58,479 --> 01:36:01,840 Thank you. Yeah cool. Yeah, So I really that's a one good 1243 01:36:01,840 --> 01:36:04,159 thing about doing the show, like I do, I get to see things 1244 01:36:04,199 --> 01:36:11,319 before everyone else. So I like that, And you know, it makes 1245 01:36:11,359 --> 01:36:15,119 me actually want to see some of your other work. So I'm actually, 1246 01:36:15,119 --> 01:36:18,239 even though I do the show on UFOs, the other topics I do find 1247 01:36:18,279 --> 01:36:25,119 pretty interesting. So let's talk. We've got about five, five or six 1248 01:36:25,159 --> 01:36:28,880 minutes left. Let's talk a little bit more about some of the cases that 1249 01:36:28,920 --> 01:36:33,399 you researched while you were doing this series. Yeah, I realized after the 1250 01:36:33,399 --> 01:36:38,359 fact that I cut myself off because we that first trip was only the first 1251 01:36:38,359 --> 01:36:41,960 of three trips. The next one took us to the East Coast. We 1252 01:36:42,000 --> 01:36:47,119 actually started in Florida and worked our way up to New Hampshire, with stops 1253 01:36:47,119 --> 01:36:54,079 in Manhattan and the Hudson Valley, North Carolina, to shoot an episode on 1254 01:36:54,119 --> 01:36:58,680 the Brown Mountain lights. And I mean, that's probably worth talking about real 1255 01:36:58,760 --> 01:37:02,359 quick. Is episode number six, which is titled um, I'm Gonna let 1256 01:37:02,359 --> 01:37:05,359 it Shine or just let it shine, I think, which is my little 1257 01:37:05,439 --> 01:37:10,439 nod to that hymn that my parents used to sing when I as a kid. 1258 01:37:10,720 --> 01:37:15,680 Um. But it's an episode that's entirely about mystery lights and that's a 1259 01:37:16,000 --> 01:37:23,880 subject that is very often ignored or overlooked when it comes to UAPs. And 1260 01:37:25,399 --> 01:37:28,239 you know, I knew making the series that it would be a bit of 1261 01:37:28,239 --> 01:37:33,000 a stretch to include mystery lights in a series about UFOs. But m thankfully, 1262 01:37:33,000 --> 01:37:36,319 like some of our winter our interview subjects, did a great job of 1263 01:37:36,319 --> 01:37:43,920 tying it back into uphology. And I thought overall that that that episode did 1264 01:37:44,079 --> 01:37:49,319 a much better job of sort of expanding on how large in scale the the 1265 01:37:49,439 --> 01:37:55,239 UAP subject is. Um But we we actually went to Brown Mountain where the 1266 01:37:55,239 --> 01:37:59,479 Brown Mountain lights are seen, and we interviewed Mika Hanks about about the Brown 1267 01:37:59,479 --> 01:38:01,640 Mountain light, and then we interviewed we got to talk to two different witnesses, 1268 01:38:01,680 --> 01:38:06,920 two people that have claimed to seeing the Brown Mountain lights. We interviewed 1269 01:38:06,920 --> 01:38:10,680 a guy who had a sighting of what you would, I guess described as 1270 01:38:10,720 --> 01:38:14,760 like an orb near Asheville, New York, while he was hiking with his 1271 01:38:14,880 --> 01:38:19,279 friend. They were actually they were hiking near Asheville late at night. They 1272 01:38:19,319 --> 01:38:23,199 did night hiking. They were trying to find a camping spot and they were 1273 01:38:23,239 --> 01:38:27,399 in the middle of nowhere up in these woods, and they came into a 1274 01:38:27,520 --> 01:38:33,399 pine forest and they encountered this glowing, massive sphere in the air that approached 1275 01:38:33,439 --> 01:38:42,000 them. They were overcome with absolute fear from from what they told me, 1276 01:38:42,159 --> 01:38:46,560 and took off running, and the thing actually followed them little ways. So 1277 01:38:46,640 --> 01:38:50,960 that episode is all about sort of that strange stuff. And then episode seven 1278 01:38:51,119 --> 01:38:56,600 is called The Taken, and that is our abduction episode. And I, 1279 01:38:57,319 --> 01:39:00,479 you know, like, what we wanted to do with the series is give 1280 01:39:00,520 --> 01:39:02,600 you some of the high points, some of the key points of ufology, 1281 01:39:02,680 --> 01:39:06,079 and obviously one of those is going to be Betty and Barney Hill. But 1282 01:39:06,119 --> 01:39:11,520 we wanted to do it in a way where it didn't bog down people like 1283 01:39:11,560 --> 01:39:15,760 yourself who are very knowledgeable about the subject. So because I do understand the 1284 01:39:15,800 --> 01:39:19,560 idea that if you're sitting there and watching an episode that spends twenty minutes on 1285 01:39:19,600 --> 01:39:23,199 Betty and Barney Hill, when you've already heard that story one hundred times, 1286 01:39:23,279 --> 01:39:26,680 we're going to lose you. So what we did there is, you know, 1287 01:39:26,680 --> 01:39:29,399 like we actually went to the White Mountains, We went to the locations 1288 01:39:29,399 --> 01:39:33,039 where the Hills were, and that story is explained throughout the episode, but 1289 01:39:33,119 --> 01:39:40,079 it's intertwined with it's basically using the Betty and Barney Hill abduction events as a 1290 01:39:40,079 --> 01:39:46,000 way to explain how it's indicative of something much larger and that's the abduction phenomenon 1291 01:39:46,159 --> 01:39:51,680 in general. And we interviewed multiple experiencers, people who claim to be abducted 1292 01:39:51,760 --> 01:39:56,439 or have gone through abductions, and then we sort of expand on that and 1293 01:39:57,199 --> 01:40:02,199 get into some of the theories why that's happening and what the purpose of it 1294 01:40:02,279 --> 01:40:09,159 is. But the Hill's abduction was really important to me to have involved. 1295 01:40:09,720 --> 01:40:15,399 And then John Horgan was kind enough to give us access to that interview with 1296 01:40:15,479 --> 01:40:18,560 Betty, which was actually hurled last interview. I think it was done in 1297 01:40:18,640 --> 01:40:25,439 nineteen ninety nine, and you'll actually see snippets of that interview, and if 1298 01:40:25,479 --> 01:40:29,079 you want to, you can actually watch that whole interview on YouTube. I 1299 01:40:29,119 --> 01:40:32,279 think if you search like the Secret or the Last, it's either the Secret 1300 01:40:32,279 --> 01:40:36,479 Betty Hill interview or the Last Betty Hill interview, you'll find that. But 1301 01:40:36,720 --> 01:40:41,520 but we we were able to use snippets of that interview, and I think 1302 01:40:41,520 --> 01:40:47,720 that does a lot to to really heighten the tenseness of that episode. But 1303 01:40:47,800 --> 01:40:53,760 yeah, there was also a trip to Area fifty one we went on which 1304 01:40:53,760 --> 01:41:00,199 happened to coincide with the same day that that storm Area fifty one event where 1305 01:41:00,239 --> 01:41:03,000 a broke in the mainstream happened to be the same day that we were driving 1306 01:41:03,000 --> 01:41:05,840 out the area fifty one. And when we got out there, we had 1307 01:41:06,239 --> 01:41:12,199 Facebook messages we had we had been live streaming of our drive out there. 1308 01:41:12,239 --> 01:41:15,159 In four hundred and seventy five thousand people ended up watching our live stream because 1309 01:41:15,199 --> 01:41:19,640 it was going viral, and someone had shared that in that Storm Area fifty 1310 01:41:19,680 --> 01:41:25,840 one group. So there were there were a lot of incidents like that that 1311 01:41:25,960 --> 01:41:30,640 happened throughout the series. And I'm trying to think of like some really key 1312 01:41:30,760 --> 01:41:33,199 cases and everything is slipping in my mind, so I'm doing a terrible job 1313 01:41:33,199 --> 01:41:36,399 of that. Well, that's all right. We have a one caller, 1314 01:41:38,039 --> 01:41:40,800 Bill from New York. Bill. We're gonna have to make this quick because 1315 01:41:40,800 --> 01:41:45,520 we only got a couple of minutes left, So go ahead. What is 1316 01:41:45,560 --> 01:41:47,920 the picture on the right hand side in the comments section, we had it 1317 01:41:48,079 --> 01:41:55,560 narrowed down to an ant eater or Jesus Man. This is in YouTube. 1318 01:41:56,000 --> 01:42:01,079 There's a video of us basically for the cast listener. So we have on 1319 01:42:01,119 --> 01:42:05,600 YouTube. Seth's background has some posters. So yeah, what do you have 1320 01:42:05,640 --> 01:42:10,600 going on? Back on the right hand side, So this side, is 1321 01:42:10,600 --> 01:42:15,760 that what we're talking about, because on the far on the far side, 1322 01:42:15,560 --> 01:42:20,119 the white one, small one looks kind of like an ant eater from here, 1323 01:42:20,520 --> 01:42:25,479 or it could be Jesus. We're not sure Jesus. Jesus isn't in 1324 01:42:25,560 --> 01:42:31,000 here. There's there's uh, there's a there's a Mothman poster, there's a 1325 01:42:31,039 --> 01:42:35,039 Minerva Monster poster, and then like a small Town Monsters compilation poster. Over 1326 01:42:35,119 --> 01:42:39,760 here. I've got an original lobby card from the Legend of Boggy Creek. 1327 01:42:40,199 --> 01:42:44,079 But you might be looking at the what is actually like a moth It's actually 1328 01:42:44,159 --> 01:42:48,399 the poster has a full scale moth on it. The other side, the 1329 01:42:48,479 --> 01:42:51,960 little one, Oh, this one, that's what I just said. That's 1330 01:42:51,960 --> 01:42:56,880 a lobby card. That's a lobby card from the Legend of Boggy Creek, 1331 01:42:56,920 --> 01:43:00,800 and it's uh, it's one of the it's one of the characters falling through 1332 01:43:00,399 --> 01:43:05,880 a window after being terrified by the Fouk Monster. Wow, hey, Bill, 1333 01:43:05,960 --> 01:43:10,520 you weren't even close. So that was entertaining, Bill, So thank 1334 01:43:10,520 --> 01:43:15,000 you for the call. All right, thanks, all right, So we 1335 01:43:15,079 --> 01:43:17,600 just have a couple of minutes left, so are just like a minute or 1336 01:43:17,640 --> 01:43:23,520 so one more time if you would give out the website where someone can go. 1337 01:43:24,359 --> 01:43:27,920 I saw there was on iTunes. It's what other platforms are you going 1338 01:43:28,000 --> 01:43:32,000 to have that on? Yeah, So the big rollout for On the Trail 1339 01:43:32,039 --> 01:43:36,039 Of is going to hit Amazon and Vimeo on demand right now, that is 1340 01:43:36,399 --> 01:43:43,239 the only two planned release date places, but we have a meeting tomorrow that 1341 01:43:43,359 --> 01:43:47,960 could affect that. It could get a much wider release. But all of 1342 01:43:47,960 --> 01:43:53,399 our stuff is available on Amazon too, if you're if you're into cryptids and 1343 01:43:53,399 --> 01:43:56,279 all that, you can look up small Town Monsters on Amazon and it'll take 1344 01:43:56,279 --> 01:43:59,800 you right to a landing page that will link you back to pretty much every 1345 01:43:59,840 --> 01:44:02,920 move movie. And I know we just put up the Moment of the Missouri 1346 01:44:03,000 --> 01:44:08,039 Monster on Amazon Prime, so that's actually free for Prime subscribers. A lot 1347 01:44:08,079 --> 01:44:11,520 of our movies are actually free on Amazon R so you could if you're going 1348 01:44:11,880 --> 01:44:15,319 if you're listening to this and you want to watch Invasion on Chestnut Ridge, 1349 01:44:15,319 --> 01:44:19,920 and that's on there. The Mathmada Point Pleasant and The Flatwood's Monster are not 1350 01:44:20,039 --> 01:44:25,359 currently free on Prime, but they're both on there and everything is on there 1351 01:44:25,439 --> 01:44:29,680 if you're looking for if you're like an iTunes Google Play user, you can 1352 01:44:29,720 --> 01:44:32,479 look up the Mathmata Point, Pleasant Invasion on Chestnut Ridge, and Boggy Creek 1353 01:44:32,520 --> 01:44:38,399 Monster on there. You can learn more about us at Smalltown Monsters dot com 1354 01:44:38,399 --> 01:44:42,000 on the Trail of dot tv. We post everything you can actually watch on 1355 01:44:42,039 --> 01:44:47,119 the trail of Bigfoot free at on the Trail of dot tv. And if 1356 01:44:47,119 --> 01:44:51,800 you're interested in helping fund to our movies and getting some really cool rewards in 1357 01:44:51,880 --> 01:44:58,840 return, you can go on Kickstarter and just search Smalltown Monsters or Mothman or 1358 01:44:58,880 --> 01:45:00,920 bell Witch or UFO. You should be able to to turn it up that 1359 01:45:00,960 --> 01:45:03,600 way. Thanks so much, Seth. We are totally out of time. 1360 01:45:03,640 --> 01:45:05,960 I really appreciate it. Thanks for having me, all right, have a 1361 01:45:05,960 --> 01:45:10,439 good one, all right, everyone, So thank you, and that's it 1362 01:45:10,520 --> 01:45:13,680 for our show tonight. Thank you so much for listening. We'll be back 1363 01:45:13,720 --> 01:45:17,600 next week with Dave Marler and I want to thank everyone that is listening and 1364 01:45:17,720 --> 01:45:56,239 supports the show as well, and remember to keep your eyes to the sky.