Hello, welcome everyone. Hi Steve, how are you? I am beyond
wonderful, great to be here, excellent, and with us today we have
Reverend Michael Carter. How are you, Reverend Carter? I'm okay. That's
some nice music by Brother Mercer, So please tell them that I like that.
Absolutely. He is the man behind the curtain sometimes and not here with
us today, but he is a big supporter and help even when he's not
here. And yeah, my regular co host on The High Strange Inspector.
But he back in the old days he couldn't always make it because he had
a real job, and now he has a publishing company, which is still
a real job. Yes, he can be on the show a lot more.
Yeah, Yeah, that's nice music he picked out composed. Yeah.
So do you want to tell everyone a little bit about yourself? Yeah,
okay. I am an experiencer, I am a father, I am a
clergy person. I live, yes, yeah, yes, practice makes perfect.
It's not my first rodeo there either, And I'm a happy person.
And I am privileged to be on the show today and have a new book
that well, it came out in December. It's a book of sermons.
It's called Enlightenment. And I have a couple of new episodes of Ancient Aliens
that will be out or maybe already be out, and there's yeah, yeah,
one is called The Chosen and the other is called The Teachers. And
there's a new show coming out. It's coming on June nineteenth, but I'm
still not supposed to talk about it, even though it's you had to sign
a non disclosure thing. But it's going to be on the Discovery Channel,
and I think it's called it's a different title, but it's called Alien Encounters
Fact or Fiction. And I just found out about it myself when it was
going to air. It's June nineteenth, think at ten am on the Travel
Channel, I mean on Discovery, so we'll see what that's about. It's
connected with the Ancient Aliens people, and it's not at all, not at
all. And like I said, I had to sign an NDA but and
I was trying to find out I knew June was coming, and I didn't
get a response back yet from the producers, but then I saw it on
social media, so I guess it's out there, but it should be wonderful.
I flew out to Roswell to shoot it. Which I had never been.
So it was lovely class act, from the producers to the people who
fed us. It was just a really wonderful yep. And you originally got
hooked up with ancient aliens through one of your books that you wrote. Correct.
Yeah, I wrote a book called Alien Scriptures Extraterrestials in the Holy Bible.
I was still working as a chaplain at one of the hospitals. He
was a big hospital here, and yeah, I was there and I was
working as a chaplain and then I was part of the diversity program and I
moved from chaplaincy to full time to their diversity initiative program. And I got
a call. I was in my office and I forget the other producer's name.
I'm sure he's not there anymore, but he said, is this Reverend
Carter? And I said yeah, And they said this is so and so
from Prometheus Productions in Hollywood, California, and I have your book here and
wanted to know if you could come on the show. And I said yeah.
And so I've been doing that off and on since about twenty fourteen,
a decade. Yeah. God, yeah, that's a decade. That's scary.
Yeah. Yeah, I didn't even yeah, no, yeah it was
but yeah, yeah, you're right, it was. Oh my goodness,
may I interject something here? And you were on a show with uh when
they had William Shanton Moron with a round, Yes, that was a last
But Brandon and I compare notes. We thought we needed more Michael on that
show. You know, first of all, thank you, and a lot
of us participated, but it was cut out. Oh sure, you know
how they added, but you know, because it was really about Georgio and
you know we were kind. But yeah, I wanted to see more too,
because to me, the whole religious, spiritual aspect of this is what
puts the fire in my belly. I mean, I'm not I don't think
technologically greater minds than I back engineering proposting systems. I'm like what, but
you know my mind works, like how how does this change your inner life?
How does it change you know, the way you're going to walk through
the world after you've had these experiences? So I wish we could have gotten
more into that, but well, you know, those guys have the gift
of gab. They all do get it. William Shatner maybe was as Captain
Kirk, but he had a quote that was something like, what does God
need with starships or something like that. Yes, yes, And what's interesting
is Susie and Steve it's that and I'm dating myself and maybe Steve, you
know, it reminds he reminds me a little bit of Charleston Heston in the
fact that Charleston Heston at that time doing the Ten Commandments. You know,
he played Moses, he was an atheist. William Shatner does not believe in
extraterrestrial life, but yet he plays wonderfully. You know, this captain,
I think he was a captain, but this officer on a ship and you
know, in the future, and so yeah, he was. He said
that after the conversation it opened his mind up a little more. But he's
not a believer in extraterrestrial life. He wasn't as of that show, and
he was very vocal about it. Before you had an experience. Were you
a believer? No? I, these are great questions. I was not
that I expected not to be, but yeah, no, I you know,
I was raised in the African American Baptist tradition, and you know,
I that's that's that was my perspective. And I you know, and I'm
not there anymore, and I don't knock it, but that's I loved the
church for what it could be. I love religions for what they could be.
Now there we may kill each other over and other things. But yeah,
but when I was a kid, I knew I wanted to be a
priest. A priest, that was the word I used. I knew that
that's what I wanted to do. Now I took a secuitous route, but
yeah, but I did not believe it. And that's the reason. It's
the reason because it's not in the Bible. That's the reason I gave.
But that's what I knew. That's where I was. Now I know it's
all it's everywhere in the Bible and other and other faith traditions. But yeah,
I was. I'm saved, you're not. Jesus was the only way.
And I still respect that, and Jesus is my brother. You know.
I haven't lost any reverence for that tradition, not at all. My
big thing with that was that I knew so many good people, you know,
like you guys, and I'm like, it's a loving deity gonna burn
them in hell because they don't agree. That was my stickler. I didn't
wear it on my sleep. I never really bought in time save and you're
not because I had people from all backgrounds that my life. But that's where
as I got older, I just had to pull away the teachings of Jesus
always. And now you know, I have Buddhist statues here and you know,
compared to religion stuff. And there was a time when I identified as
an atheist or an agnostic, but maybe because I'm educated in the West like
you guys are. And that's the narrative, that's the big story, and
I always had to come back to it in a different way, maybe seeing
it differently. But I couldn't get rid of that, and I don't choose
to get rid of that, and I incorporate other you know, the Buddha
lived nine or five hundred years before Jesus. You know, there's a lot
of you know, Native American spirituality. I have a little Cherokee in me,
you know, you know, you come together with there's more than one
way to become a better person. But an answer to your question, yeah,
that those were my roots. And Malcolm X said, you can't hate
the roots without hating the tree. So I don't hate the tree believe,
but I grew up in a tradition where there wasn't the exclusion factor. You
know, if you didn't believe a certain way, boy, that was it.
And I would think that so the the creator of the universe has structured
things such that people that are ignorant, that don't have this this understand the
way are going to burn or be excluded somehow. It just never made any
sense to me. Yeah, yeah, yeah, and and me too,
and so, and I wrestled with it and how could I keep one without
the other? And you can, but that did it. And then then
when I started having my contact experiences that really pushed the boundaries. And and
even without that, I went to seminary. I went to Union Theological Seminary
in New York City. It's it's it's one of the top seminaries in the
country, and I loved it my three year there. But their job was
to make you uncomfortable. The unexamined life is not worth living, and the
unexamined faith is not worth having and rigorous intellectually, and those were those three
years were life changing for me. Of course the extraterrestrial piece too, but
even without that because you had to wrestle. A lot of us don't think
through what we believe, not just about religion but anything, and so what
I believe then I'm a different person now, I'm a different and sometimes we
don't think that do my beliefs that work for me? Then? Do they
still work for me? Now? Do they still resonate with me? Now?
And so I believe in you know, you ask yourself that you peel
the onion. I'm sixty seven and I'm sure, and I'm not saying about
core beliefs. I'm not just saying you're going to change everything because part of
part of seeking is finding something. But but you have to part of the
examined life is who am I? Now? Do these things still work for
me? Do they? Do? They not? How am I living my
life? What do I want? Who am I? How? How?
How does this work? And? For me? It's a spiritual journey.
Now when I say spiritual, because people use it like love, we use
it, it loses its meaning at least in the circles I'm traveling in.
But I mean your interior life. How do you cultivate that? You know,
you know, whether it's meditation, prayer, being out in nature,
how do you how do you connect with whatever is greater than you? And
then how do you walk through the world after that? That's what I mean
when I say spiritual, the cultivation of your inner life. Where do I
stand. There's some things that I will not change. That we need to
love one another, that's not going to change. There's some things that were
true five thousand years ago that will be true five thousand years from now.
That's what I mean the evolution, because it's such a hackney term that when
you use words like love and use words like you know, spiritual, they
mean so many different things to different people, and sometimes they use so much
they lose their meaning period. Yep, for sure. I know. One
of the hang ups for me was the actual Bible itself. I remember being
in middle school and asking our pastor like, why was the Old Testament God
so mean? And my mom was like, you can't ask that, Susie.
Yeah, but I mean, if you actually read the Bible, those
are almost the God in the Old Testament and the God in the New Testament
just seemed like two different people to me. You know, I agree,
I agree. I didn't know that, and uh, you know, Zacharaistitch
and you know, reading his books on the Earth Chronicles and I met him
he was a neighbor when I was in New York City. That really opened
my eyes to that. And if I'm coming from the perspective of paleo contact,
that ancient that that that our ancient ancestors did have contact with off world
intelligences and the Bible, it's right there in the Bible, you know.
And I'm we're speaking specifically of Yahweh. And you know, if you look
at Genesis obviously you know it's a retelling of the Mesopotamian Sumerian text, you
know, talking about Anki and Olil. Yeah, Yahweh is a warrior,
uh God. He is a warrior entity from another place. And when you
when you look at the New Testament teachings, you you can argue, but
see, I, like you, I was raised to think that Yahweh was
Jesus's father, But I couldn't be further from the truth now. But yeah,
he's a warrior and he's got anger management issues and he was if you
look at Deuteronomy thirty two, depending on your translation, and that's the key
to Biblical reading, is that you got to get a good translation. If
you look in Genesis thirty two, he's given the Middle East. Well,
he's given that'sliver of land. He's given that. So Yahweh's not the ultimate
supreme deity. The idea of God is in the Old Testament. But there's
really, in my mind, no God in the Old Testament. And so
you're dealing with our ancestors trying to tell us what it was like to be
invaded. I mean, let's be honest, that's what we would call it
today. We were invaded. And these gods fought each other, they made
love, they got drunk. You see that more with in the Greek pantheon,
they were really like us, but just more so technolo logically advanced.
In the Greek pantheon, they're called Titans, and and and and you know,
they're called Ananaki and the Hebrew or actually in a Samarian and they're called
the Nepheline and and they have various names, is what I'm trying to say.
But they were very very much like us. And uh, some of
them were were benevolent, some of them wanted to help humankind and see where
we would go. And Steve knows this stuff. You know, uh,
Project Earth, I call it. And some of them wanted to keep us
so ignorant that we didn't even know we were naked. And and that's still
going on today. There's a faction that's probably one you know, benevolent,
wants to see how this grand experiment will turn out. And there's some of
them who just want to use, uh, just use the planet for its
resources. There's a George Lambsa. Are you familiar with him? And all
got so? Got his Aramaic Bible right here? Oh excellent, yes,
and have a book on New Testament. Yeah, the Aramaic scholar, right
He grew up speaking Aramat. He wrote books called a Gospel like Old Testament
like UH and uh and so forth. And he demonstrates that a lot of
the UH phrases that are very much fire and brimstone and you know, eternal
damnation were actually idiomatic expressions, were not meant to be taken any more literally
than some of the the idiomatic expressions we use today. And it's exactly God,
it kind of it just kind of takes that burden of the uh,
of the guilt and of the sinner off your shoulders. And yeah, yeah,
and and and and that's even you know, Susie, that's even without
the et influence, you know, and and so in the church, you
know that organizations do want power and you know, and want the control,
and and so you have these followers. But but yeah, that's the I
mean, if you read the many different translations in Aramaic of the Lord's prayer,
nothing like what we have. Very mystical in a way. Uh no,
no, I am you know us versus them kind of theology there,
and that's again that's without the et influence. So here we have and I
believe that this is why powers that be leadership around the world, governments,
if you will, they're not ready to tackle the religious aspect of this phenomenon.
They're not ready for that. And and you know they're having problems dealing,
you know what with what they're dealing with. I'm not as critical as
I was before. I mean, and by that, I mean I get
why the drip drip drip of disclosure. I get all that, But it's
gonna come out, you know how you know, how are you going to
tell people that we don't control our airspace? How do you tell people that
all this stuff about religion? Because it was stuff that we used to control.
I get it. How you how are you going to come out and
say, you know, some people lost their lives. We had to keep
this under wraps. You can't if you come out with that, it's political
suicide. But you also have to come out with enough so that when if
it does bill out, you can cover you can cover your butt at the
same time. But it's got to come out, and it will. But
the religious aspect will be I think the most difficult. The technological stuff.
Yeah, you can, you can, you can, you can, you
can, you can navigate that. But when you start telling people, yahweh
is an extraterrestrial, When you start telling people that Jesus either was a hybrid
or hung out with that, you know, for I don't think for everybody.
A lot of people will be able to handle that. I mean,
I don't think that we can keep using that. Oh, society will fall
apart. But it's gonna be a game changer for life as we know it.
You know, if people are getting here, you know what's going to
happen with British petroleum and exon, and it's a lot of money into that.
If people are with cancer, that kind of thing, these beings I've
had a healing from an extraterrestrial I mean, they could probably get rid of
cancer and all these other things right away. But money's made from all this
stuff. When you get people thinking, I'm not a blue Democrat and I'm
not a red Republican, I'm not a maga person, I'm not a bleeding
heart liberal. I'm a I'm a citizen of the world. You know,
powers that be that this is, you know, we don't want that.
You know, this is working, and if it's not working, it's still
working for us. And I believe that's what our ancestors were trying to tell
us, that this is what it was like to be occupied, to be
invaded, and these are some of the things that we had to deal with.
I believe that, in my heart, the Bible has beautiful stories.
It's got a lot of wisdom and when we need that. But our ancestors
were they weren't. We were invaded. The planet was invaded, and you
know, and that's what we would call it today. That's what we would
call it today, an invasion. That's scary stuff for a lot of people.
I mean, I wasn't even I wasn't even thinking along these lines.
When Steve and I we're talking, the whole big deal was he was a
minister who's an experiencer and talking about ugos in the Bible. We're way past
that now. I'm sorry, Yeah, no, I'm just I'm trying to
think of you know, if I hadn't, you know, spent my free
time talking to older men about UFOs on the internet like I do, and
hadn't had these conversations, if someone just sprang that on me, I'm not
sure how I would react, if you know, I hadn't had a background
with it already. Yeah, I mean, I mean, for you listen,
and Steve knows this. We haven't talked in a hundred years. But
I I I still have post traumatic stress. It's not as bad, Okay,
I you know the early days I'm John Mac. You know, Bud
Hoppins regressed me, Doctor Gene Mundy. I have a hard time being home
by myself when my wife has to be out of town. And I'm talking
of seeing people walk through your walls. Okay, that's not supposed to happen.
That's not supposed that's not supposed to happen, looking the way they do,
sticking a needle in the back of my head following knowing where I am
that that is the game changer. But I wouldn't have changed it. I
find my experiences in the long run we're positive. But Newtonian physics doesn't explain
your whole reality is changed. And so yeah, I'm hearing you. You
know, because we were taught that this wasn't this doesn't happen. This is
crazy. We are high on the food chain. This is as high as
creation gets. You're not supposed to be able to walk through walls. You're
not supposed to be able. The only person who heals you with a touch
is Jesus of Nazareth. You know. We're not supposed to have basis and
other places. Yeah, and you find out that everything that you were told
is possibly you were possibly lied to, And how do you deal with that?
So I get it, and I don't have this, you know,
I'm this lofty attitude and but but but at times we have to grow up.
And so how do we For instance, I'm a clergy person when this
does come out, and it's coming out now, people are going to be
coming to people like you and Steve and the and we got to have some
freaking answers. We got to have some answers. Uh, you know,
We've got to have some answers. That's just it, even saying I don't
know, but you got to have an answer because people are gonna need.
This is your ministry Sasquatch bigfoot stretching people's minds because you know, Oliver Wendell
Holmes once the miners stretcher, can't go back guiding them through this because who
do you think they're gonna come to? Our government is going to be trying
to cover their butt. And I get it. I'm not gonna bad mouth
them, but no lie lives forever, Nietzsche tells us. And so more
transparency. That's why people come to you. Now, let's go to the
mouth man. Let's everybody else thinks I'm crazy. You and Steve know I'm
not. Reverend Carter knows I'm not. How am I gonna navigate this?
We're gonna be needed grassroots people, and it's important. It's important. Yeah,
absolutely, and kind of like keeping a flexible mind, an open mind.
I think we need to do more of you cannot not. You cannot
not, I don't think, and I think I think we can do it.
Our ancestors did it not perfect. They doctored up the Bible. They
changed things around. They made Yahweh the principal God. Yeah, we know
that. Sixth and seventh century. We can talk about that. King Hezekiah
and King Josiah, we can talk about that. They wanted everybody to be
Yahuist. They didn't want you worshiping Baal or co or what's the brother's name,
Cohas. I mean, these were other extraterrestials astra. They didn't want
that. I get it, got it, but they had to navigate it
that we lived in a populated universe. You know, you know in in
in East India, you know they had those Blue people, they had Christians,
they're portrayers. Do they talk about to be manas the Flying Cities,
You got the Mohawks and and and the Cherokee talking about the Palladian and the
Star people. We were invaded, and you don't want your government telling you
that that we probably still are. You know, well you're gonna tell them,
But that's what happened. And some of these people are still here,
and some of these people are working with governments around the world, and uh,
we got to put our big boy pants on our big girl pants.
And because it's it's, it's it's it's just the way it is, just
the way it is. We're not alone. And some of these beings want
to you know, some of them don't want to sing Imagine and Kubaya and
some do. Yeah, and that that makes a lot of sense when you
hear experiencers that have a very positive experience and then others I did. Yeah,
Yeah, I was one of those. I was one of those.
I mean, I wasn't that far gone where all they did. But when
I started writing my books and reading, I wanted I was in John max
Camp more than my brother, but Hopkin, but we blended. But I
wanted people. It was like if a person of color stole your pocketbook and
ran down the street, and now all people of color were thieves. Well,
what was happening is that all these beings were were bad. And I
wanted to say, yes, I still have Back then, I didn't think
i'd still have post traumatic stress, but I do. But but I just
wanted them to see that. But there was some good that come out,
and I'm not the only one. Their books written about it. Now there's
data that shows but But that's what I wanted to say. We can't do
that. We do that with each other. And look what we're doing.
If I'm you know, I live in the South Man, and you know,
if someone calls me the ND word, am I going to say all
white people do that? You can't do that. The Bible, all these
books have strong words about that's called judgment. Now there's righteous judgment. I'm
not gonna walk down a bad neighborhood in the middle of the night going,
oh, I'm not going to drugs and if I get beat up or robbed,
I mean, that's that's stupid. But I'm saying, you know,
we do that with each other people. I know, you know, people
that I thought were one way, I get to know them, nothing like
that. But my fear gets in the way. See the stereotype kets in
the way. And we were doing that with folks. But on the other
hand, and I'm not like my brother Greer. Maybe he's changed a bit,
but Greer is saying, well, they're all want to hold your hand,
and I don't know if that's true. It certainly isn't true in our
sacred scriptures. It's not true. So we got to walk that balance,
you know, because like the Buddhists, you know, life is both and
it's not always either or, but it's both. And but that's the way
of grown up. You have to look at it like that, you know
what I mean, you know, I you know, I read a lot
obviously, and you know reading about the Palladiums, do you know there and
Billy Meyer and Georgia Danski. But there's some Palladiums that were not the nicest
people. But but in the UFO community, the blonde, blue eyed,
oh they're all loved. They're beautiful if you like that standard of beauty.
But you know they had their things too. They were fighting among themselves,
that you know, And so we got to get a realistic Usually it's in
the middle, the middle way. I don't even it could be politics,
could be every whatever you want. I'm not going to get into politics,
but we are in the politics. But my point is usually the middle way
helps. Extremism doesn't. Extremism does not do it. But we don't,
you know, it takes us a long time to learn. Steve, you
feel to me, I know you know what I'm talking about. I know
you know too, Susie. I'm not always in the way. The things
you stand for I'm not talking about well, well I kind of see their
point too, Yeah, the things you stand for. But when you go
extreme, look look where we are. Look where we are. I'm right,
you're wrong, he's right, you're wrong, you're black, I'm white,
you're this, you're that. I mean, we got we got yeah,
we got differences. And I think some of these beings are trying to
tell us that you got to planet here, you need to take care of
two. I belong to a very liberal denomination. It's the Unitarian Universalis's denomination
denomination. But there's people who are very very dogmatic in their liberalism. We
don't talk about that. We talk about the conservatives and how you know,
oh boy, wait man, what is it that automatical? Yeah? Yeah,
But I know people who are so liberal that they're dogmatic because they can't
see, even in the UFO community that you're entrenched. You can't see that
there's another way to look at this. And while it's a mess, and
if you're set in your ways to the extreme, alcohol, if you're if
you're in you know, one extreme or the other, you can be divided
that way easily. You can be controlled that way. And and for people,
I'm sorry, maybe there's some people didn't like that. I'm just joking,
but who watch, but you gotta have a little levity. But but
yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's not you know, while we're
fighting over some of these things, and these are culture things that we have
to deal with. But people while we're fighting each other, people making money,
people advanced that we're fighting over these things. They you know, they
it's fine. Let the Romans knew how to do it, Breton circuses,
keep them entertained, keep them, keep them at each other's throats. But
even then and then they're they're there, their their republic became an empire.
And then you know, no one had to to conquer the Roman empire.
Uh. They they kind of did it themselves from the decadence, you know,
they just they just did it was just easier to conquer because they had
already lost the moral compass. The you know, pick up a book somebody
just read. Just read the history. Don't say it was written by this
white man or this black man or this white woman. Fine, everybody's got
a perspective, but just pick it up. They all come to the same
conclusion. We screwed each other. We got so crazy that it was just
easy this come on. You mentioned you came from a kind of a very
I guess, uh, am I going to Oh no, no, no,
I'm sorry, kind of a fundamental or or or more literalist tradition.
Yeah, and you, but you mentioned new thought. It was an area
that I've studied a great deal of. And can you tell us a little
bit about now. Look, ladies and gentlemen, we're not trying to proselytize
or change your religious beliefs, but I find this a fascinating area. So
what what? How did this uh, this transition occur? How how did
you find I guess a different way. Well, it came from not having
a literalist Again, this is even before you were posed up, not having
a literalist interpretation that that that if I came from God is love. You
know. They call it new age, but I'm finding this is nothing.
There's no such thing as new age. It's old truths being rediscovered. Okay,
it's old truths being rediscovered and that new thought. I like the idea
of this oneness. I like the idea that I wasn't so much a victim
that I had a hand in my life. Yes, there's such a thing
as faith. Things do happen. But if I visualize, if I get
up here and in my heart what I want to do, the universe will
respond. Why because I'm part of it. I'm not separate from it.
It's not a god way out there separate from me. And I'm you know,
I'm a sinner and I'm no good and I don't deserve any good or
whatever. The new thought was like, yes, there is something greater than
you call it what you will. That it's not so much what happens to
you, but how you respond, not react, but respond to it.
That you can meditate, that you can walk in the woods, that you
can walk on the beach, that you can that you can create to a
degree the life that you want by staying positive, not in denial, but
by seeing the good in your life. What does that look like, having
gratitude, being thankful, seeing that that that force, that God, that
or whatever you want to call it, higher power, that it's in me
and it's in you, And that these teachings were going back from the Bible
and beyond. That was to me, that was uh water to someone dying
of thirst, and it wasn't new, it's it's there, but you had
to read deeper. You had to go to a different level than not just
skimming skimming the surface of it. And it also that there were many levels
of reality. That's how I got to it. And but I realized that
that was in contrast to what my Baptist peers wanted me to believe. It
was a Baptist. Give you an example. I started doing energy healing reiki.
I don't know what it is now. You know, around the time
I had my experiences, a woman today she you know, I taught her
first degree reiki. I've been giving her energy distant healing and a tumor went
away. I found out today tumor went away. The doctor's puzzled by it.
She had some gallstones that went away. Now, let me first say
this, that's not me. That's the energy that comes through me. But
she had to tell me about it. But I was taught to think that
the only person who could do that was Jesus, even though Jesus said,
greater works than I do, you can do exactly. I'm not a fool.
I know it's not Michael. It's not Michael. When I did that.
I probably went home and had a beer later after that. I'm just
not this holy life. Yes I'm a minister, but I'm pretty sure I
did. It was a long day with her, but that energy we can
all tap into. But I in religion, organized or disorganized, most of
it tells us that that's just reserved for special folks. Steve Ward can't do
that. Susie can't do that. Reverend Carter, you better not be doing
it. So I had to move on from that. I respect that it
works. It still works for some of my friends and stuff, so I
don't beat up on it. I remember the Dalai Lama saying that if you
have to really, if you have to live, leave your religion of origin.
Don't talk bad about it because it works for some people. He was
saying, you can use Buddhism to make you a better Christian, a better
atheist, a better agnostic, a better malclim because Buddhism is a philosophy of
life. It's not a religion. It's very similar to Stoicism that the Romans
were doing. They were coexisting around the same time. Stoicism is just a
Western concept, but philosophy of that. But I help this woman, she
will help someone else. And I can't say I did it. I just
know that after sending her energy and she learning it, it went away.
Who knows, but it didn't hurt her, it helped her. Religion would
tell me that that's that was probably the devil or it was something. Yeah,
and so I just I just had to leave that. Yeah. Yeah,
I was just reading the other day that there's actually a young man,
he might even be a teenager, that they're thinking about. They're they're already
talking about making him a saint because he's been yes yes, yes, yes,
yes, yes yes yeah. And you know, listen, I wasn't
raised Catholic. My wife was raised Catholic. She's a UU and where not
even you. I mean, we're beyond that. But that's the church that
gives me the most leeway that I could come and talk about this without them
saying, the diocese wants to talk to you on Friday. The Catholic Church
has done unspeakable. We won't go into it, but they're the only denomination
talking about extraterrestrial life. In two thousand and nine, Pope Benedict the sixteenth,
the most conservative church, a conservative pope in my lifetime said that there
were extra torrestrials in the Bible. He said, you shouldn't be surprised.
Paup Benedict said this in two thousand and nine. He also said in two
thousand and nine that Yahweh is not the name for God. I thought this
would be there'll be more reaction to it, because four hundred years ago,
you and Steve and I would be burned at the stake for what we're talking
about now, four hundred years ago. So the Catholic Church, Lord knows
what secrets they have and whatever, but they're talking about this. Pope Francis
has alluded to it. Monsignor Baladucci Corrado Baladucci, who's cost over now,
he was one of the Vatican exorcists. He talked about this with Whitley Strieber
in his book Confirmation. And even you know, we've got Vatican folk.
What's his name, he's a Jesuit funs you any Yes, he's at the
Vatican Conservatory. They're looking in the skies. So you know, nobody's all
bad and nobody's all good, but at least they are. I was raised
Protestant. I don't see many Protestants. Doctor Barry Downing, who's my friend
and colleague and mentor not. Many church people are talking about it, and
I'm an experiencer and I'm talking about it, and so we need people talking
about it in religion. When I go to conferences and I'm talking about you
know, some of the things I do talk about, you know my experiences,
you know, they love it. But when I talk about the spiritual
implications the religious and you can hear pindrop because that's the every day I don't
know about the combustion systems. I don't know about that. Other brilliant minds
are working on that. People are saying, can I believe an extraterrestrial life
and still be a Christian? Can I believe in extraterrestial life and still be
Can I? And I'm not crazy? And can I do that? And
that's why they need us. They need your podcast, they need me doing
whatever it is I'm doing. I don't have a UFO church. I don't
talk about this a church. They know I'm doing it. I almost lost
my job, but they stood up for me. I almost lost my job,
but I don't you know, that's not what they hired me for.
I'm not trying to force them, Like Steve said, change your belief system.
But I'm just saying this is what happened, and we need to be
open to that as we move forward. Otherwise you'll be left behind. You'll
be a dinosaur. The again, back to the New Thought religions. New
Thought it seemed to arise in the late eighteen hundreds. Along it was.
It was an amazing time. Spiritualism, the Fox Sisters, Theosophy, they
all rose up at the same time. We had the Christian Science, uh
the Fillmores with the Unity School of Christianity, Religious Science, Earnest Homes and
I grew up in the Christian Science tradition, and so as as the years
went by, I was just became fascinated with the whole movement. And if
people go back and read about this, you were talking about healing. There
was a great healing movement there back then. They were they were using the
same philosophical principles, even though there might be some minor differences between the different
philosophies or whatever. But it was just an amazing time. And like you
said, this was wasn't new. This is using the same principles that were
used two thousand years before Emmic Fox talking about the German on on on the
Mouth. Yes, Baker Eddie which was was was Christian science. Yeah,
the and I still have some of their uh the Raymond Charles Barker who was
in New York because I used to go to a religious science church and Unity,
uh Eric Butterworth, Eric Butterworth. They still kept their Christian flavor signs
of mind. Religious science deviated from that somewhat, but they were taking the
teachings of Jesus and saying that it was more of a mental science. Do
you want to be healed, you can use your mind. Your mind is
connected to the one mind which we call God and that and that you're part
of that. And it was revolutionary. It still is. I went to
church for a while, yes, so did I bring Jack Boland and Warren
Michigan just an amazing guy. He was so far away from a Bible thumper
or or the fire and brimstone, you know. And another thing you mentioned,
you said it's important to get a good trend of the Bible because things
get and and my one of my favorite phrases to talk about is sinner repent.
When when you hear that you got this this heavy guilt thrown on you,
you miserable sinner. But repent comes from the Greek words metanoia means to
change your thinking. The rage thinking and and sin is a uh uh archery.
Yeah, exactly, and and and and see that's why people Susie's d
y'all know, that's why people leaving religion and droves because it doesn't you know,
if if I think I don't deserve good, how could I ever have
it? If you teach me I don't deserve it? If you're telling me
money is evil and then you send three collection plates around really the building fund?
I mean, how much? How much money is the building? You're
giving to the building fund for twenty years? What's going on? You see
what I'm saying? And so and so that's why people are leaving how and
and and the reason that I do well at my church is because I take
those stories without the UFO influence, and I try to make it relevant for
today. And you empower Steve is saying this, it's empowering your audience.
Someone is saying, you know, I never thought about that, Hey man,
I didn't know that. First thing you do is you get angry because
you know you've been okie dope, but you start to go look on your
own. You got to have the good translation King James version. It sounds
like everybody's doing Shakespeare in theater. What is what is a good translation?
Uh? Steve talked about what about George Lamsa. I was gonna say,
it's the aramatic translation of the Bible. The New Jerusalem Bible is a good
translation, the American standard version. And I'll tell you why. The Bibles
that they sell to the average family is different from the Bible that they sell
to scholars, and so the translations are not the same. So when you
get the New Jerusalem Bible, for instance, it will tell you eloheen is
plural, that we're talking about gods. It will tell you that, and
so you need It will say where you may see the Lord said, it
may be elohean, where you may see the heavenly council. It may say,
well, I call it a federation, but you'll get the heavenly because
you see heavenly counsel, you think our angels singing in harps and whatever.
But it will tell you it's a gathering. We would call it a galactic
federation today. And so you want the New Jerusalem Bible is probably one of
the best, and it will tell you this translation and other Bibles will say,
so it's more transparent. Any type of interlinear Bible you can get the
pro The King James version is beautiful. But these are not Shakespearean actors.
Do you know what I mean? And so that's what you need. And
because those are scholarly Bibles and scholarly translations and so, but what they say,
what they what they do, what the average person buys, the average
family is not going to have that. So when they say when you know,
when you read that, and they're saying the Lord said, and they're
saying the Looean, it's a whole and you can't unlearn it once once you
see that these are stories. These are not stories about a omniscient, omnipresent,
omnipotent deity. These are stories of invasion. These are stories of obedience
to keep you paying, praying, and obeying. These are not God stories.
And when you read it as God stories, you miss the moral because
you're saying, wait a minute, Yahweh is telling these people to go into
Canaan and kill men, women and children. What kind of God would do
that? And then someone says that, don't ask that, So you're confused,
but you're in your spirit you know better. But once you see them
as stories of our ancestors telling us that we were invaded, that these beings,
you know, they come to us when we need them, and some
of them come to us and they're not giving us the good time. Once
you look at it that way, then you don't you start saying, ah,
okay, this is what these stories are about. Now, when you
get to the New Testament, that's a totally different thing. Jesus is talking
about his father, and his father is not Yahweh. You know, in
the Bible, he never praises Yahweh. If anything, he does talk bad
about Yahweh. So they're two different entities, two different entities. The churches
won't tell you that. Why not because they're all trying to keep a secret.
But I know people who know what I'm saying, but they can't say
it because they'll lose their tenure. They got family, Yes, instead of
a jealous God, did you have a God that takes care of the the
desparrows that fall on your list? Exactly? It's a whole different mindset,
but they can't say it. They can't say, Yahweh's crazy and he's an
entity, because they'll lose their jobs. They'll they'll lose their tenure. And
then you got people who are scholars and they go, Okay, you know,
I can't go back and do all my research over again. So I'm
just gonna keep quiet about But they know, but they can't come out and
say. And I say that because I don't want to be judge. I
don't want to say that. Everybody's you know, under the radar. But
every minister has to he or she has to gauge on their own how far
I can go. If I went to my congregation and said this, even
though they watch ancient aliens, but if I was teaching this every Sunday,
I would split my congregation in half. There would be some people say Michael's
onto something, and there was some people say he's a heathen, he's crazy
or whatever. Why would I do that to them? That's their community,
you see what I'm saying. Yeah, so what do you think about some
of these other writings that are not necessary the Bible, but you know,
kind of religious writings who were taken out, And yeah, I think that
we need to be paying attention to them. Well, I have the Josephus,
who was Jewish, but some people call him a trader, but he
was a high ranking Roman and he was talking about the fall of Jerusalem.
I think it's in book six, and that there were flying chariots in the
sky at the fall of Jerusalem. He's saying this. You know, obviously
there's the Book of Enoch. Go and look at the Book of Philip,
where you know where Jesus is kissing Mary Magdalene on the mouth, and they
asked Jesus, how come you love her more? No, how can you
do that with her? He says, what you mean is how do I
love her more than you? I think that these you know, yes,
there's some forgeries, but we have to take these into consideration. The book
that we have now, you know, that's after the Council of not and
I see it politics was involved. These are the books we're going to accept,
and these are the books that we want. So when people say,
oh, I don't want to get in politics, you're already in it up
to your you know what you see. I get what they're saying. You
know, politics is what you know, but you know it is what it
is. You know, there's honorable politicians, but you don't hear about them
anymore. But my point being, it's just that we're already in politics.
Religion and politics, that's what we're talking about. When you read the Bible,
Saul David Samson, that's religion and politics, Solomon. When you go
back and you read the Epic of Gilgamesh about the hybrid. Gilgames was a
hybrid. One of his parents was a god. He wanted to become a
god. When you read the Epic of Gilgamest, when you read and uh
and andmu eleish I probably tore that to shreds about these Mesopotamian texts. And
so these scriptures tell us that if you go back and read the Upanashads,
right, if you go back and read the Hindu vaders about the Vimanas,
these these ships, these flying machines, they're talking. These are flying machines,
cities, flying cities. Sounds like a mothership. Our ancestors were telling
us, when you're again, the Hope, the Cherokee, the Mohawks,
the star people. They taught us how to begin civilization, how to plant,
what plants were good to eat, what plants were poisonous, astronomy,
astrology, all our all our history is telling us about beings who came down
from the sky. And some of them were helpful and jump started civilization,
and some of them were not so helpful. It's whether you're in Africa,
whether you're in the Nordic countries, you know, whether you're in India,
whether you're Native American, Aboriginal Australians. All these stories are about these beings
who come down. Plato talks about it. Plato talks about every five thousand
I've been going back and reading to Mayis and Fhato and Crimeus. Every five
thousand years there's a cataclysm, because he's talking about Atlantis as well. But
he's talking about every five thousand years. You know, it's there's some cataclysm.
Whether it's an asteroid, whether it's a poll shift, he doesn't say,
but he says. And he talks about reincarnation. Plato believed in the
gods who we would call at and he believed in a god. He talked
about what we would call quantum physics. He talked about a fractalized universe.
He was talking about this twenty five years, twenty five years before Jesus,
and he talks about every five thousand years or so, there's there's a cataclysm,
maybe it's a poll shift, maybe it's an asteroid hitting us, and
that humanity goes back to ground zero and the survivors are visited by the gods
and they jumpstart, go back and read it. When I see when I
was in when we talked about Plato, when I was in school, they
just gave you a little handout. They didn't go back into all this.
They gave you the handout they wanted you to read. And so we may
be at that juncture now where we could have a poll ship. Edgar Casey
talked about that we know a big rock will hit as an asteroid may his.
We know that what we're doing through the atmosphere because of our technology and
not having the wisdom. So none of this stuff is new. It's like
a cycle. It's happened before. Every culture has a flood story. Plato
talks about Atlantis. He learned from Atlantis from who? From Solon, who
was in Egypt, Babylonian Greek priest. Where did he get it from?
He got it from Egypt, an Egyptian high priest who talked about Atlantis and
of course there was little mirror before that. Why would these people lie about
that? And these were advanced civilizations with using crystals and energy and and and
had flying machines. Why would our ancestors lie about this? And here we
are, this is new. That's why I say there's no new thought,
there's no new age. This has been going on. Did you see yesterday
or it was a day before that. We they're finding out that, uh,
the Egyptians operated on cancer. Where did they get that sophistication? From
National Geographic? It's beending social media the past two days. There's a skull
with a hole in it? No, how could they do that? Operating
surgery on cancer patients? Where did they learn that? We think we're new,
we think we're innovative. We're not. People were doing this before we
were here, before we became so clever. Maybe we're too clever for ourselves
now. Yeah. So I've never heard you speak on this specifically, but
I'm sure you're aware of it. Oh Asspy, are you familiar with that
book? John Blue new Brow no channeled documents from the eighteen hundreds. Supposedly
he was in contact with highly evolved angelic beans. Alkay channeled this on a
typewriter, a little bit like I guess you could say, of course in
miracles, yes, this just goes back aways. Yeah, yeah, you
know, I will say this. I don't know what to say about it.
I will say this. When I was younger, I was very much
in the channel stuff I just named Seth Mark of course in miracles, the
Michael teachings, and I believe that people contact a greater reality. I that's
all really I can say. I know that a lot of stuff gets filtered
because you have to go through the personality of the channel. So if you're
asking me, do I believe that this validity to some channel material, I
will say unequivocally yes. But I also know I'm cautious now more nowadays,
you know. So that's that's the only way I can I can answer that.
I'm sure that you know, obviously this person was channeling truths and stuff
centuries ago that you know, profound, maybe ahead of his time. I
believe that can happen, but I also am more I'm not skeptical, but
I'm more vigilant about what I accept. Well, you know what's interesting about
that is that if you look at George Hunt Williamson that supposedly was channeling the
Space Brothers, George van Tassel more recently the Law of One the Raw Materials,
and uh, anyway, sometimes you'll find that people that didn't know each
other and didn't really have any contact, they would be channeling some of the
same in quotes, entities, some of the same names. And also it's
some of the same messages. In yes, the the Orion group were the
bad guys, the Polad with the good guys, and Maldeck was the planet
that became the asteroid Bill. So I just u again, I'm very skeptical
about uh, some of that stuff maybe just be coming out of the collective
unconscious. It might just be nonsense. But yeah, it's it's fascinating.
That's the way I was wondering, because he talks a lot about extraterrestrials coming
here to mate with humans to advance the civilization is one of the themes.
And yeah, yeah, and I'm sure there's true. Well, we know
you look at the Book of BeO. Yeah, yeah, so I haven't
read it. I'm sure from you guys, I can into it that it's
some information that's pertinent and relevant and at the same time, I I whereas
before I wasn't as discerning. I'm a little born now. Yeah, so
new Brow was one of my my ancestors distantly. Oh that's why it's kind
of personal to me. Susie right now is confessing about her ancestors. Yes,
I love it. I love it. You know. John Keel that
wrote the Mockman prophecies and studied the Mockman, he was in contact with several
individuals that he called silent contact, these because they firmly believed they were in
contact with these other intelligences. Yeah, I didn't care if if anybody believed
them or not. They were they would get these predictions, some would come
true. And but later on Keel became came to believe that a lot of
the stuff was just sort of the trickster or nonsense. It wasn't really terribly
valid, but it's it's something that it's again that whole area I find fascinating,
and I think people should approach with caution exactly, but and at the
same time with an open mind. Yes, especially if you're hearing the same
material you know over and over. You know where there's where there's fire,
there's smoke, where there's smoke this fire, right, I agree. Yeah.
I'm always asking people that have contact with anything non human, like,
how do you know? How do you trust something? And everyone just says,
you just know, just like when you meet someone new, you kind
of can get a sense of not all the time, but you know,
is this person, is this my people or is this person you know,
maybe not to be trusted feeling? Yeah, you know, and sometimes you
get got I mean, like like my sister, who my half sister,
whom I love very dearly. She is an evangelical Christian. She does not
like me or she will not deal with UFO entities or what have you.
And when I say to her, well, Mike, she will say,
Michael, how do you know they're not demons? How do you know?
And I'll say, look at the work I'm doing in the world. Does
it seem evil to you? Does it it seem like I'm doing something wrong
to you? And she'll say, well, Michael, you know, you
know, like she doesn't know this, But it's like the Shakespeare thing and
Hamlet, the devil hath power to assume a pleasing shape, so you can't
win with that. But but but you know, I think in the long
run, like I told you, like like I have. This is one
of the beings who came to see me back in nineteen eighty nine. Now
now he had on a suit I'm using the pronoun e that looked like this.
It was like a jumpsuit. I had the artists who made this put
a robe on. But okay, So they were coming to visit me for
a while, and one time they paralyzed me, well, they would paralyze
me, and they stuck a needle in the back of my head here with
that little hollow where your neck the brainstem is, and it was excruciating,
excruciating, And I told a friend of mine about it, who was an
astrologer, and she was one of the few people I could talk to about
it, and she said, Michael, you got to set some boundaries with
these people. They're probably around you, you may not see them. So
I did, and the next time they came, they paralyzed me the whole
thing. They stuck a needle in top of my crown, but it was
so gentle. It's like when someone takes blood and you don't even feel the
needle going in. I got a point here, so I thought that they
heard me. I thought that because I would talk to them even though I
couldn't see them. I remember my first wife came in the house one day.
She said, I didn't know what to think. She was there when
they came the first time. She said, I saw you in a pair
of shorts, yelling up at the ceiling. I thought you had lost your
mind. My point being, I thought they had heard me, because the
next time they came, it did not hurt. But the other thing is
this, Outside of those two incidentss my life got better. I was more
authentic, I felt smarter. I had the physiological changes. My hair and
nails grew faster. I got by on less sleep. I had so much
energy. But as time went on, you know, psychic ability, intuitive
stuff was more intense. But my heart opened. That's the best way I
could explain it. I felt more intelligent. Now, I'm not saying this
happens with everybody. Because some people have had sperm and oven taken anal pro
I'm not saying that this is universal. I'm just saying for me, and
what their visits did for me was that I had to look at fear.
I had to say to myself, yes, they're bizarre. Looking. This
person came to see me, this frame mantis, this reptilian came. You
know, I'm going over a course of time, this person, this Palladian
person came and gave me a healed of blood clot that I had, you
know, but I had to say, over time, these beings did not
hurt me. I had fear because they could just pop up. I could
go to bed tonight and I could get up to go to the bathroom and
one of them could be there. That shakes you up. But as far
as that and the bizarreness of it, my life got better. And so
it made me look at other places where I let fear hold me back.
I'm not saying I shouldn't have been afraid of them. Look at them.
Okay, these people look bizarre. But as they came regularly, my fear
lessened, didn't go away. But fear is the enemy in the sense of
I could let fear keep me from being present into what was happening like I
can use it now. Fear even without a et influence, fear of new,
fear of the new, fear of the different, you know, and
I could rationalize that fear away. And so it's always peeling the onion because
this, to me, this it's not about tech. It's about a change
in consciousness. Even without et I got a planet that I'm screwing over,
I got people that I'm screwing over. I have to change my mind about
it in order to interact. Like Einstein said, you can't, you know,
solve today's problems with yesterday's thinking. So I have to have a change
of consciousness, have to have a change of heart. I think that this
is one of the message I have, the only message of these visitations.
So what you're saying is by their fruits, you shall know them. Yes,
yeah, yeah, yeah. And that doesn't mean you don't get deceived,
because people can deceive you. But you got to keep it open heart.
And sometimes you're gonna get God. But you got to keep saying yes
to life. Otherwise you shut down. We'll see they burned me last time.
I'll never get married again. I'll never I'll never open my heart to
anybody else again. I'll never trust that white person again. I'll never trust
this black I'll never trust And you shut down, and and and the thing
about life is keeping your heart open, keeping your heart open. At least
that works for me. Let me be clear that works for me. Can
we just divert from this just a little bit temporarily intermission. I'd love to
know what it's like to uh, to go through the process of being on
Ancient Aliens and the the you know, the film. I'm sure there's people
out there that are saying, ask Michael about Ancient Aliens. So I thought,
okay, I'll tell you it's wonderful. It's wonderful. Okay, So
I'll go back to the first time. But I can remember, Uh,
I got the call they that at that time, they were always shooting in
LA. Sometimes they shoot in New York. Last time they shot in Boston.
I mean, yeah, yeah, So you go, they fly you
out, you know, they fly you out. I was going out to
LA and you you know, at that time someone would pick you up.
But you know, you get to this, You get to your hotel in
La. I mean, I love La. So so you know, and
they take care of your food, they take care of your hotel. Uh,
you just got to show them your receipt. You're parking the whole bit.
And and then you get on the set and and and you know,
you have your little dressing rooms and what have you. What the grueling part
is this. They give you a list of questions, like a lot of
questions, and if you're doing more than one episode, yeah, okay,
and you gotta you know, they'll they you know, they'll walk you through.
We're going to talk about this today, Michael. We're going to talk
about the Teachers, and it's maybe it's about antiquity, whether it's whether it's
up till the very day. You got to go and research that and you
got to have those answers for it. And they do say if there's something
that you don't you don't feel comfortable with, just say so. And when
we've on. But you know, the human ego because I want to know
about all of it. I don't want to say no, you know,
because will they not hire me again or whatever. So you want to do
a good job and so, but it's very relaxed and so you know,
like like for those two shows, the Teaching and the Chosen One show gave
me ten or twelve questions I had to know the answers to and one was
like twenty twenty five and so and so, you know, you just study
them. But it's an area of your expertise. It wasn't like, oh
my god, this is out of the blue. So you get there and
you get on the set. When I was there before, Giorgio was there
a lot, but not so much anymore. Nick Redfern, you know,
Eric would be there. You know, they'd be there and they talk differendly
you talk, and so you're on the set and you have it usually takes
about three four hours, about three and a half hours, and you know
you're doing a lot of stuff, but they cut it down by the time
you're on the show. Things are edited out and whatever, like we talked
about with with with Bill Shatner, and you know, it's just a very
professional, calm working atmosphere. You know, this food around. If you
need food, they give you some water, You get your little makeup on,
and they go over it. You know, they'll say which ones do
you want to do first? And you just say and you'll do it,
and they tell you repeat the question, you know, don't just answer the
question. Like someone will say, what's it like working on the show?
Yeah, you know, let me tell you what it's like working on the
show. You know, you repeat the question and they'll go back and they
may say, can you elaborate on that a little more? Or they sometimes
the questions you get by answering one, you've answered the other two, so
that's always nice, so you may elaborate on that at the end of the
day. One time I was there and they said, you got any friends
in New York? I said, yeah, I used to live here.
Well, because if you go late, why don't you say you want to
stay over a night? And I say, yeah, and stay over.
We'll get you out the next day. That kind of stuff, and you
know, they will get back to you about they used to not do that,
but they will get back to you about when the dates are, or
they'll call you, like, I know this is coming up, hasn't come
up yet, So someone will call me and say that the episodes you shot
will be airing blah blah blah blah, and you know, you just like
they give your ride to the airport again. You know, they pay for
your meals and everything, and you just give them a receipt and they do
that each time. Some times it will be New York, sometimes it'll be
La I was just in Boston for the second time, and it's just amazing
because people watch the show, my book sales go up, so people are
watching the show and you will get emails and people will ask you questions about
that. So they've been good to me and it has definitely got me the
the visibility that I have now and I do other shows, you know,
because they they're with the History Channel. I did something with Larry Fishburn on
America's Greatest you know, Mysteries, that kind of stuff. So it kind
of snowballs and I'm anxious to see what this is going to look like and
this new show and the Discovery Channel. But that's a day on ancient aliens.
A lot of times they're not there now so you don't see them.
But at the beginning, you know, you'd have lunch with them and talk,
but they dagger you. So I'll do my shooting and then maybe Georgio,
they've already been there. So then when I'm leaving the next maybe Kathleen
Martin. Martin's coming on that. We just matter of fact, we bumped
into each other in Boston when I was leaving, she was coming in to
do her episode. So that's what it's like working on the show. They're
very professional, they're very kind, they're very you know it's not a lot
of ego. Well that's good, you know. I think I confessed this
to you before. But originally I was an ancient alien snob. I would
not watch it because the ancient alien idea had had such a bad reputation back
a couple of decades ago. But I have grown to love the show.
I don't obviously agree with everything that's said, but nobody does. But now
you've been to some of the big events the ancient alien alience, I haven't.
No, I haven't, Stephen. To be honest with you, I
don't watch the show. And part of that's from being an actor. I
mean I did it first, don't get me wrong, but you know,
my schedule is so busy. Sometimes it's on. Now, I could stream
it and watch it, but I watched it all the time, and then
you know, my schedule got busy. But and probably it's like being in
when I was an actor. You know, you kind of just do the
gig, get paid, and it's on. But I I think with you,
yes, you don't agree with everything, but again I think what the
show has done, it's obviously touched people. I mean what they're in their
eighteenth, twentieth season. But it's it has stretched people's minds and it's got
them to think outside the boxes around religion, around archaeology, around history,
our human origins, and so it's that's why it's so popular. I mean,
you can be as skeptical as you want, but how theyll that they
moved those stones? You know exactly exactly and and and you know, no
one's been able to answer that. But with the ancient alien hypothesis, it
makes sense. It makes sense now. I think I think now you can
correct me if I'm wrong. I think you can test to me that you
have shared an adult beverage or too with Eric von Danikin. Is that correct?
Yeah, Okay, you can deny it if you want, that's all
right. No, no, no, And he is a partier. I
was. I was at the Edgar casey Uh. That was when I first
started out. I was starting to get a little name for myself and they
called me in and uh, Georgio was there. I think I start pictures
from that. Georgio was there. I was there, Eric was there.
There were a couple other speakers there, and so I went down to the
hotel and downstairs to have a beverage. Eric was there and I said,
I know you, and he says, I know you. And we were
putting away some alcohol and I had to leave. I may have had three
or four glasses of wine. I was done, and so I had to
go upstairs to my room and take a nap. When I came back down,
Eric was still there, still drinking. And then we all got together
with some of the people in the audience and we went outside and sat on
the beach, Virginia Beach. He was still drinking. See, I started
drinking again, but I had taken a nap. It was just wine,
good wine. And Eric was a hoot, and he put it all away.
And he's fun. He's down to earth. He's passionate. And you
know, we stand on the shoulders. We stand on his shoulders, those
of us who are in ancient astronaut history. He was like that. And
the other person for me, because he was a clergy person, not an
experiencer, was doctor Barry Downing, a retired Presbyterian minister, wrote a book
called The Bible and Flying Saucers back in nineteen sixty eight, and we became
friends. I met him once and he's retired now, he's older. Now,
his wife has passed away and that kind of thing. But we have
a different theology because Barry is very much into his Presbyterian theology. As a
matter of fact, he said, you know what, Michael, your problem
is you want your God to be warm and fuzzy. We don't need that.
And I was like, good, warm and fuzzy. I mean,
y always committed genocide. I mean, how can you? But yeah,
but those two god because they were on a religious kick, and that's what
that's what I know best. But you know, Eric was really savage back
in the old days. I mean, he made some mistakes. And I
remember reading the more recent edition of The Chariots of the Gods, big long
innerlection where he said, yeah, it was the exuberance of youth. And
I, you know, I made some mistakes here and corrected them. And
I don't agree with everything Eric says either, But I have to tell you
I love that guy. He is a survivor against all the naysayers and all
the criticism. How many millions of books has this guy sold still out there?
And I have to tell you, I love the way he says extraterrestrials.
I hear you, I hear you well, Listen, we're finding out.
Listen, we're finding out some of the flaws and scisions work. But
you know, like like like Mike Tyson said, and I don't quote Mike
Tyson often, he said, you don't throw away a rose voice because you
got to scratch on it. And you know, they were the ones who
opened us up to this and and and so you know, there's an old
saying, if you want if you want some, if you want new material,
go read an old book. And I must tell you occasionally I go
back over here and I pick up a vent Bondanagan book. I pick up
a few of sitchens books. You can't go wrong because I because there are
a lot of people who use Sitchen's work but don't give them credit for it.
I find out a lot, you know. And so I'm like,
hey, Okay, you've advanced, you've evolved, but you know, go
back to this is the guy who opened the way up for you. And
so I think it's wonderful. I think if they were here now, they'd
be vindicated. And so it's it's just a wonderful time. Yeah, speaking
of books, you have quite a few out there. I have a few
books. Yes, I have My latest book is which is a non extraterrestrial
ideas. It's called Enlightenment. It's a book of sermons on philosophy, on
social justice, race, on religion. UH. And the book before that,
which I really like is Initiation. It's kind of a handbook for experiencers,
for for people who are experiencers, for people who know an experience,
or there's an experiencer and their family, or for people who may think they
are experiences and are not quite sure. But the the biggest seller though uh,
and people obviously have expanded on this, but but as alien scriptures,
that's that's the people by that book the most out of all. And then
I have a book on prayer and healing called the Metaphysics of I have it
here, Spiritual Healing and the Power of Affirmative Prayer. I wrote a book
on it's it's a meditation manual with with with comments and lessons from atheists from
It's called God Consciousness. I should put God in quotes, but it's about
it's a meditation manual lesson for each day. At that time, I didn't
want to just be known as the UFO Minister, so I figured i'd rebel
and so I wrote those two books, but I'm still known as the UFO
Minister. But I'm more comfortable with it now. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
I enjoyed Initiation. Thank you, Thank you, Steve. That's one
of my favorites. Yeah. Maybe I'll revise it and add some stuff to
it. But it's a basic kind of handbook for folks because it's hard to
navigate and if you don't have anybody to talk to about this, then many
people don't. And there's data that shows that a lot of couples break up,
a lot of marriages break up if one person's having this experience and the
other person can't get to it or is hard because you're growing and evolving.
So I wanted to put that out there, but I find that again,
you know, I do a lot of counseling with people who are experiences and
people aren't. It helps to be an experiencer, but being non judgmental,
just listening, not trying to fix, and let people tell their story.
It's the gift that keeps on giving and and and what you guys are doing
as well. Uh, you know, it's a ministry you got. I
mean, you don't have to look at it that way. I'm just it's
a ministry. You're empowering people, giving them information. It's healing, and
it's really on the book. You make a distinction between contact, these abductees
and experiencers. Yeah, you know, and then people's self identify as such.
I do not think I was abducted in the sense now when I when
I was regressed. Yes, I didn't know that the time I was taken
out of my room. And there are some people who have been abducted,
and but you know, work with a lot of those people. A contactease
was off of the old nineteen fifties. Oh sure, yeah, you know.
I love those stories, even though they might be a little fanciful.
I love to go back to those, uh of yesteryear. And have you
ever ever ever read the Flying Saucer Pilgrimage by the Brians. They were written
in the sixties, I think, uh, maybe fifties. They had a
uf A Flying Saucer group in Detroit and they heard about this guy, Georgia
Damski. So they started flying people in from all over, people like a
Damski, Edward Rupeelt and so forth. But then they made a pilgrimage across
the US and they met all these different contact ees. And again, I
don't care if you think it's a charlatanism or folklore or or whatever. It
is a fascinating book. The Flying Saucer Pilgrimage. I may, I may
see if I can get that. You have to be careful third party sellers.
They might jack the price up a little bit. Oh, of course
they will. Yeah. Yeah, I have a friend who's in a Dampski
scholar he's in Amsterdam. He's just dedicated. He's an academic. His name
is Gerard. I got some of his books. Yeah, me too,
Me too. He's a good friend of mine. A matter of fact,
I'm gonna be my wife and I are going to go see him in Amsterdam
in August. But yeah, because I've never been. But yeah, you
know, I I think those folks open the door. I really do.
We all stand on the shoulders of other people, and I mean even some
of Billy Meyer. I know. I think Billy started out on the good
foot and just you know, it's hard, you know, you're getting all
this fame and everything, but I think he started out telling the truth about
some things. Yeah, I do, I do believe in the beginning,
But I will say that they are vindicated in a lot of ways. You
know, we talk about the tic TAC videos and stuff like that, but
you know, you know what about the food fighters backing the World War Two?
You know, everything old is new again, and you know, just
trying to what are these beings? You know, these what are these craft?
What's going on? And I think that we can learn a lot.
We don't have to live in the past, but we can learn a lot
by going back and looking at some of the things these beings were talking,
these people were talking about, and that kind of thing, and it can
help us as we move into the future. The development the manifestations of these
lights and objects over the lads have changed somewhat, but even though they've changed,
we still get some of the old stuff. You know, exactly exactly.
I'm thinking that when you talked about the contact these or Fio ANGELUSI,
who had some pretty claims, he went into a fugue or a trance for
a week. They thought he was going to die, and when he came
out of it, he was talking about these wonderful visits with the space brothers,
very similar to uh Anne Jeffreys of the sixteen hundreds, who would who
would go into a trance and have these wonderful experiences with the little people,
with the elementals. But she didn't leave her bedroom. So there's something.
And then you've got that that parallel there between elements of folklore in some modern
day UFOs. Yes, exactly what was the other one? I bought?
But I haven't the Commonwealth? The secret Commonwealth? Oh yes, right,
yes, yeah, yeah about that that that that Presby was your presbyterial episcopalian,
yes, his name, But there was also very faith in Celtic countries.
By Yeah. Oh he was a theosophist, Edward Wentz WinCE and he
was, I mean, they're they're saying the same thing that's going on now,
Yes exactly, you know, so so and that's I think we have
to we have to do the research. But be reminded that you know,
this is not new, that this has been going on again. The Bible,
the Jupanashads, the Mesopotamian tests, the Samaran texts are telling us,
our ancestors are telling us we were invaded, that these beings were here,
that we were caught in a crossfire. Uh, and this is how we
dealt with it. And here we are and now how are we going to
deal with it? Is the question, like you said, if you want
to learn something new, pick up an old book. Yeah, you want
to, you want to. I think I can say that, Susie and
I have a hell of a lot of old books. And I'm sure you
do too. Oh, I do. I do, and I and I
will go back and refer to them. This has been beautiful, gang,
it has been And if anyone wants or needs to reach out to you,
what is the best way for them to do that? Michael JS Carter JS
and Jerry S. S and Sam Carter at gmail dot com. I have
a fan page, a Facebook page, referend Michael J. Carter. My
My website is Michaeljscarter dot com. And if they write me, I will
respond. I will respond, well, Susie, thank you for inviting me
on the show. And Michael, always a pleasure. Guys. I hope
you enjoy your summer, Susie, you guys, Steve, if you need
me, call me. We could do it again. That we definitely will.
Absolutely. Yeah, we could get more into the Bible and I could
give you some verses and stuff like that Old and New Testament and talk about
Jesus and his relationship with Yahweh or lack of one, that kind of thing,
and perhaps we should all write the ancient aliens people and say we need
more. Michael, Yep, you know what. I would love it if
you did that, very good. I would love it. I would love
it. I think they would too, Yes, absolutely, yeah, please
do that, and let's be in touch and enjoy the rest of this evening.
And I'm wishing you all many blessings and a gentle piece. Thank you,
Michael, thank you very much, thank you,