1 00:00:37,000 --> 00:00:41,560 Hello, welcome everyone. Hi Steve, how are you? I am beyond 2 00:00:41,640 --> 00:00:45,560 wonderful, great to be here, excellent, and with us today we have 3 00:00:45,679 --> 00:00:49,399 Reverend Michael Carter. How are you, Reverend Carter? I'm okay. That's 4 00:00:49,399 --> 00:00:53,320 some nice music by Brother Mercer, So please tell them that I like that. 5 00:00:54,240 --> 00:00:59,479 Absolutely. He is the man behind the curtain sometimes and not here with 6 00:00:59,560 --> 00:01:03,759 us today, but he is a big supporter and help even when he's not 7 00:01:03,840 --> 00:01:07,000 here. And yeah, my regular co host on The High Strange Inspector. 8 00:01:07,040 --> 00:01:11,319 But he back in the old days he couldn't always make it because he had 9 00:01:11,319 --> 00:01:14,599 a real job, and now he has a publishing company, which is still 10 00:01:14,599 --> 00:01:17,480 a real job. Yes, he can be on the show a lot more. 11 00:01:17,959 --> 00:01:23,879 Yeah, Yeah, that's nice music he picked out composed. Yeah. 12 00:01:23,920 --> 00:01:27,680 So do you want to tell everyone a little bit about yourself? Yeah, 13 00:01:29,159 --> 00:01:34,159 okay. I am an experiencer, I am a father, I am a 14 00:01:34,200 --> 00:01:45,159 clergy person. I live, yes, yeah, yes, practice makes perfect. 15 00:01:45,200 --> 00:01:52,000 It's not my first rodeo there either, And I'm a happy person. 16 00:01:53,040 --> 00:02:00,319 And I am privileged to be on the show today and have a new book 17 00:02:00,359 --> 00:02:02,120 that well, it came out in December. It's a book of sermons. 18 00:02:02,640 --> 00:02:08,319 It's called Enlightenment. And I have a couple of new episodes of Ancient Aliens 19 00:02:08,319 --> 00:02:13,400 that will be out or maybe already be out, and there's yeah, yeah, 20 00:02:13,560 --> 00:02:16,800 one is called The Chosen and the other is called The Teachers. And 21 00:02:17,840 --> 00:02:23,039 there's a new show coming out. It's coming on June nineteenth, but I'm 22 00:02:23,039 --> 00:02:25,599 still not supposed to talk about it, even though it's you had to sign 23 00:02:27,039 --> 00:02:31,479 a non disclosure thing. But it's going to be on the Discovery Channel, 24 00:02:32,159 --> 00:02:39,439 and I think it's called it's a different title, but it's called Alien Encounters 25 00:02:39,479 --> 00:02:44,680 Fact or Fiction. And I just found out about it myself when it was 26 00:02:44,680 --> 00:02:49,240 going to air. It's June nineteenth, think at ten am on the Travel 27 00:02:49,319 --> 00:02:53,159 Channel, I mean on Discovery, so we'll see what that's about. It's 28 00:02:53,319 --> 00:02:55,840 connected with the Ancient Aliens people, and it's not at all, not at 29 00:02:55,840 --> 00:03:00,439 all. And like I said, I had to sign an NDA but and 30 00:03:00,479 --> 00:03:05,599 I was trying to find out I knew June was coming, and I didn't 31 00:03:05,639 --> 00:03:09,759 get a response back yet from the producers, but then I saw it on 32 00:03:09,879 --> 00:03:15,479 social media, so I guess it's out there, but it should be wonderful. 33 00:03:15,479 --> 00:03:19,800 I flew out to Roswell to shoot it. Which I had never been. 34 00:03:20,520 --> 00:03:28,000 So it was lovely class act, from the producers to the people who 35 00:03:28,080 --> 00:03:31,240 fed us. It was just a really wonderful yep. And you originally got 36 00:03:31,680 --> 00:03:36,719 hooked up with ancient aliens through one of your books that you wrote. Correct. 37 00:03:37,280 --> 00:03:42,639 Yeah, I wrote a book called Alien Scriptures Extraterrestials in the Holy Bible. 38 00:03:42,879 --> 00:03:46,639 I was still working as a chaplain at one of the hospitals. He 39 00:03:46,879 --> 00:03:53,599 was a big hospital here, and yeah, I was there and I was 40 00:03:53,639 --> 00:03:57,560 working as a chaplain and then I was part of the diversity program and I 41 00:03:57,680 --> 00:04:02,759 moved from chaplaincy to full time to their diversity initiative program. And I got 42 00:04:02,800 --> 00:04:08,159 a call. I was in my office and I forget the other producer's name. 43 00:04:08,199 --> 00:04:11,840 I'm sure he's not there anymore, but he said, is this Reverend 44 00:04:11,840 --> 00:04:15,560 Carter? And I said yeah, And they said this is so and so 45 00:04:15,759 --> 00:04:20,240 from Prometheus Productions in Hollywood, California, and I have your book here and 46 00:04:20,399 --> 00:04:25,000 wanted to know if you could come on the show. And I said yeah. 47 00:04:25,240 --> 00:04:29,920 And so I've been doing that off and on since about twenty fourteen, 48 00:04:31,079 --> 00:04:36,279 a decade. Yeah. God, yeah, that's a decade. That's scary. 49 00:04:36,360 --> 00:04:41,439 Yeah. Yeah, I didn't even yeah, no, yeah it was 50 00:04:41,639 --> 00:04:46,480 but yeah, yeah, you're right, it was. Oh my goodness, 51 00:04:46,920 --> 00:04:51,560 may I interject something here? And you were on a show with uh when 52 00:04:51,600 --> 00:04:56,759 they had William Shanton Moron with a round, Yes, that was a last 53 00:04:56,920 --> 00:05:00,800 But Brandon and I compare notes. We thought we needed more Michael on that 54 00:05:00,879 --> 00:05:04,800 show. You know, first of all, thank you, and a lot 55 00:05:04,879 --> 00:05:10,639 of us participated, but it was cut out. Oh sure, you know 56 00:05:10,720 --> 00:05:15,199 how they added, but you know, because it was really about Georgio and 57 00:05:15,399 --> 00:05:18,399 you know we were kind. But yeah, I wanted to see more too, 58 00:05:18,439 --> 00:05:23,920 because to me, the whole religious, spiritual aspect of this is what 59 00:05:24,199 --> 00:05:27,439 puts the fire in my belly. I mean, I'm not I don't think 60 00:05:27,519 --> 00:05:35,000 technologically greater minds than I back engineering proposting systems. I'm like what, but 61 00:05:36,800 --> 00:05:42,040 you know my mind works, like how how does this change your inner life? 62 00:05:42,079 --> 00:05:46,000 How does it change you know, the way you're going to walk through 63 00:05:46,040 --> 00:05:49,720 the world after you've had these experiences? So I wish we could have gotten 64 00:05:49,720 --> 00:05:54,199 more into that, but well, you know, those guys have the gift 65 00:05:54,240 --> 00:06:00,879 of gab. They all do get it. William Shatner maybe was as Captain 66 00:06:00,959 --> 00:06:03,160 Kirk, but he had a quote that was something like, what does God 67 00:06:03,240 --> 00:06:08,839 need with starships or something like that. Yes, yes, And what's interesting 68 00:06:09,199 --> 00:06:14,240 is Susie and Steve it's that and I'm dating myself and maybe Steve, you 69 00:06:14,279 --> 00:06:17,000 know, it reminds he reminds me a little bit of Charleston Heston in the 70 00:06:17,079 --> 00:06:21,800 fact that Charleston Heston at that time doing the Ten Commandments. You know, 71 00:06:21,920 --> 00:06:27,600 he played Moses, he was an atheist. William Shatner does not believe in 72 00:06:27,680 --> 00:06:33,720 extraterrestrial life, but yet he plays wonderfully. You know, this captain, 73 00:06:34,240 --> 00:06:40,360 I think he was a captain, but this officer on a ship and you 74 00:06:40,399 --> 00:06:43,720 know, in the future, and so yeah, he was. He said 75 00:06:43,759 --> 00:06:47,720 that after the conversation it opened his mind up a little more. But he's 76 00:06:47,759 --> 00:06:53,639 not a believer in extraterrestrial life. He wasn't as of that show, and 77 00:06:53,680 --> 00:06:58,680 he was very vocal about it. Before you had an experience. Were you 78 00:06:58,800 --> 00:07:04,279 a believer? No? I, these are great questions. I was not 79 00:07:04,399 --> 00:07:08,800 that I expected not to be, but yeah, no, I you know, 80 00:07:08,959 --> 00:07:14,000 I was raised in the African American Baptist tradition, and you know, 81 00:07:15,000 --> 00:07:19,480 I that's that's that was my perspective. And I you know, and I'm 82 00:07:19,480 --> 00:07:25,480 not there anymore, and I don't knock it, but that's I loved the 83 00:07:25,600 --> 00:07:30,279 church for what it could be. I love religions for what they could be. 84 00:07:30,519 --> 00:07:35,199 Now there we may kill each other over and other things. But yeah, 85 00:07:35,199 --> 00:07:39,680 but when I was a kid, I knew I wanted to be a 86 00:07:39,680 --> 00:07:44,079 priest. A priest, that was the word I used. I knew that 87 00:07:44,079 --> 00:07:47,319 that's what I wanted to do. Now I took a secuitous route, but 88 00:07:47,399 --> 00:07:51,079 yeah, but I did not believe it. And that's the reason. It's 89 00:07:51,120 --> 00:07:56,839 the reason because it's not in the Bible. That's the reason I gave. 90 00:07:57,519 --> 00:07:59,879 But that's what I knew. That's where I was. Now I know it's 91 00:07:59,879 --> 00:08:05,959 all it's everywhere in the Bible and other and other faith traditions. But yeah, 92 00:08:05,199 --> 00:08:11,439 I was. I'm saved, you're not. Jesus was the only way. 93 00:08:13,680 --> 00:08:16,839 And I still respect that, and Jesus is my brother. You know. 94 00:08:18,040 --> 00:08:22,560 I haven't lost any reverence for that tradition, not at all. My 95 00:08:22,680 --> 00:08:28,839 big thing with that was that I knew so many good people, you know, 96 00:08:28,720 --> 00:08:35,200 like you guys, and I'm like, it's a loving deity gonna burn 97 00:08:35,279 --> 00:08:39,759 them in hell because they don't agree. That was my stickler. I didn't 98 00:08:39,759 --> 00:08:43,039 wear it on my sleep. I never really bought in time save and you're 99 00:08:43,080 --> 00:08:48,039 not because I had people from all backgrounds that my life. But that's where 100 00:08:48,080 --> 00:08:52,279 as I got older, I just had to pull away the teachings of Jesus 101 00:08:52,240 --> 00:08:56,480 always. And now you know, I have Buddhist statues here and you know, 102 00:08:56,559 --> 00:09:00,840 compared to religion stuff. And there was a time when I identified as 103 00:09:00,840 --> 00:09:05,399 an atheist or an agnostic, but maybe because I'm educated in the West like 104 00:09:05,480 --> 00:09:09,639 you guys are. And that's the narrative, that's the big story, and 105 00:09:09,720 --> 00:09:13,759 I always had to come back to it in a different way, maybe seeing 106 00:09:13,799 --> 00:09:18,279 it differently. But I couldn't get rid of that, and I don't choose 107 00:09:18,320 --> 00:09:22,320 to get rid of that, and I incorporate other you know, the Buddha 108 00:09:22,360 --> 00:09:26,720 lived nine or five hundred years before Jesus. You know, there's a lot 109 00:09:26,759 --> 00:09:31,559 of you know, Native American spirituality. I have a little Cherokee in me, 110 00:09:31,879 --> 00:09:37,840 you know, you know, you come together with there's more than one 111 00:09:37,879 --> 00:09:43,679 way to become a better person. But an answer to your question, yeah, 112 00:09:43,720 --> 00:09:48,000 that those were my roots. And Malcolm X said, you can't hate 113 00:09:48,000 --> 00:09:52,279 the roots without hating the tree. So I don't hate the tree believe, 114 00:09:52,360 --> 00:09:58,120 but I grew up in a tradition where there wasn't the exclusion factor. You 115 00:09:58,159 --> 00:10:03,559 know, if you didn't believe a certain way, boy, that was it. 116 00:10:03,159 --> 00:10:11,879 And I would think that so the the creator of the universe has structured 117 00:10:11,919 --> 00:10:16,399 things such that people that are ignorant, that don't have this this understand the 118 00:10:16,440 --> 00:10:22,039 way are going to burn or be excluded somehow. It just never made any 119 00:10:22,159 --> 00:10:24,200 sense to me. Yeah, yeah, yeah, and and me too, 120 00:10:24,559 --> 00:10:31,320 and so, and I wrestled with it and how could I keep one without 121 00:10:31,360 --> 00:10:37,039 the other? And you can, but that did it. And then then 122 00:10:37,120 --> 00:10:45,440 when I started having my contact experiences that really pushed the boundaries. And and 123 00:10:45,559 --> 00:10:50,840 even without that, I went to seminary. I went to Union Theological Seminary 124 00:10:50,879 --> 00:10:54,039 in New York City. It's it's it's one of the top seminaries in the 125 00:10:54,080 --> 00:11:01,399 country, and I loved it my three year there. But their job was 126 00:11:01,440 --> 00:11:07,360 to make you uncomfortable. The unexamined life is not worth living, and the 127 00:11:07,440 --> 00:11:18,600 unexamined faith is not worth having and rigorous intellectually, and those were those three 128 00:11:18,679 --> 00:11:24,080 years were life changing for me. Of course the extraterrestrial piece too, but 129 00:11:24,159 --> 00:11:28,440 even without that because you had to wrestle. A lot of us don't think 130 00:11:28,480 --> 00:11:33,919 through what we believe, not just about religion but anything, and so what 131 00:11:33,000 --> 00:11:39,080 I believe then I'm a different person now, I'm a different and sometimes we 132 00:11:39,120 --> 00:11:43,039 don't think that do my beliefs that work for me? Then? Do they 133 00:11:43,039 --> 00:11:46,879 still work for me? Now? Do they still resonate with me? Now? 134 00:11:48,039 --> 00:11:50,799 And so I believe in you know, you ask yourself that you peel 135 00:11:50,840 --> 00:11:56,000 the onion. I'm sixty seven and I'm sure, and I'm not saying about 136 00:11:56,039 --> 00:11:58,840 core beliefs. I'm not just saying you're going to change everything because part of 137 00:12:00,080 --> 00:12:03,919 part of seeking is finding something. But but you have to part of the 138 00:12:05,000 --> 00:12:09,960 examined life is who am I? Now? Do these things still work for 139 00:12:09,039 --> 00:12:13,120 me? Do they? Do? They not? How am I living my 140 00:12:13,240 --> 00:12:16,799 life? What do I want? Who am I? How? How? 141 00:12:16,919 --> 00:12:22,240 How does this work? And? For me? It's a spiritual journey. 142 00:12:22,279 --> 00:12:26,480 Now when I say spiritual, because people use it like love, we use 143 00:12:26,519 --> 00:12:30,639 it, it loses its meaning at least in the circles I'm traveling in. 144 00:12:31,039 --> 00:12:35,080 But I mean your interior life. How do you cultivate that? You know, 145 00:12:35,360 --> 00:12:37,120 you know, whether it's meditation, prayer, being out in nature, 146 00:12:37,759 --> 00:12:41,840 how do you how do you connect with whatever is greater than you? And 147 00:12:41,919 --> 00:12:46,360 then how do you walk through the world after that? That's what I mean 148 00:12:46,399 --> 00:12:50,759 when I say spiritual, the cultivation of your inner life. Where do I 149 00:12:50,840 --> 00:12:56,559 stand. There's some things that I will not change. That we need to 150 00:12:56,600 --> 00:13:00,440 love one another, that's not going to change. There's some things that were 151 00:13:00,480 --> 00:13:03,679 true five thousand years ago that will be true five thousand years from now. 152 00:13:03,200 --> 00:13:09,840 That's what I mean the evolution, because it's such a hackney term that when 153 00:13:09,879 --> 00:13:16,559 you use words like love and use words like you know, spiritual, they 154 00:13:16,600 --> 00:13:20,440 mean so many different things to different people, and sometimes they use so much 155 00:13:20,440 --> 00:13:26,039 they lose their meaning period. Yep, for sure. I know. One 156 00:13:26,039 --> 00:13:33,759 of the hang ups for me was the actual Bible itself. I remember being 157 00:13:33,799 --> 00:13:39,600 in middle school and asking our pastor like, why was the Old Testament God 158 00:13:39,679 --> 00:13:45,440 so mean? And my mom was like, you can't ask that, Susie. 159 00:13:45,879 --> 00:13:50,440 Yeah, but I mean, if you actually read the Bible, those 160 00:13:50,480 --> 00:13:54,360 are almost the God in the Old Testament and the God in the New Testament 161 00:13:54,399 --> 00:13:58,039 just seemed like two different people to me. You know, I agree, 162 00:13:58,480 --> 00:14:03,240 I agree. I didn't know that, and uh, you know, Zacharaistitch 163 00:14:03,320 --> 00:14:05,080 and you know, reading his books on the Earth Chronicles and I met him 164 00:14:05,480 --> 00:14:09,960 he was a neighbor when I was in New York City. That really opened 165 00:14:09,960 --> 00:14:16,039 my eyes to that. And if I'm coming from the perspective of paleo contact, 166 00:14:16,080 --> 00:14:20,799 that ancient that that that our ancient ancestors did have contact with off world 167 00:14:20,799 --> 00:14:24,039 intelligences and the Bible, it's right there in the Bible, you know. 168 00:14:24,200 --> 00:14:28,360 And I'm we're speaking specifically of Yahweh. And you know, if you look 169 00:14:28,360 --> 00:14:33,960 at Genesis obviously you know it's a retelling of the Mesopotamian Sumerian text, you 170 00:14:35,000 --> 00:14:39,279 know, talking about Anki and Olil. Yeah, Yahweh is a warrior, 171 00:14:39,320 --> 00:14:50,039 uh God. He is a warrior entity from another place. And when you 172 00:14:50,120 --> 00:14:54,519 when you look at the New Testament teachings, you you can argue, but 173 00:14:54,559 --> 00:14:58,039 see, I, like you, I was raised to think that Yahweh was 174 00:14:58,120 --> 00:15:01,639 Jesus's father, But I couldn't be further from the truth now. But yeah, 175 00:15:01,639 --> 00:15:07,879 he's a warrior and he's got anger management issues and he was if you 176 00:15:07,879 --> 00:15:11,679 look at Deuteronomy thirty two, depending on your translation, and that's the key 177 00:15:11,720 --> 00:15:16,679 to Biblical reading, is that you got to get a good translation. If 178 00:15:16,679 --> 00:15:22,440 you look in Genesis thirty two, he's given the Middle East. Well, 179 00:15:22,480 --> 00:15:26,879 he's given that'sliver of land. He's given that. So Yahweh's not the ultimate 180 00:15:26,960 --> 00:15:33,000 supreme deity. The idea of God is in the Old Testament. But there's 181 00:15:33,039 --> 00:15:35,519 really, in my mind, no God in the Old Testament. And so 182 00:15:35,639 --> 00:15:41,399 you're dealing with our ancestors trying to tell us what it was like to be 183 00:15:41,639 --> 00:15:43,960 invaded. I mean, let's be honest, that's what we would call it 184 00:15:43,960 --> 00:15:50,440 today. We were invaded. And these gods fought each other, they made 185 00:15:50,480 --> 00:15:54,679 love, they got drunk. You see that more with in the Greek pantheon, 186 00:15:56,080 --> 00:16:00,080 they were really like us, but just more so technolo logically advanced. 187 00:16:00,399 --> 00:16:04,559 In the Greek pantheon, they're called Titans, and and and and you know, 188 00:16:04,600 --> 00:16:11,679 they're called Ananaki and the Hebrew or actually in a Samarian and they're called 189 00:16:11,679 --> 00:16:15,519 the Nepheline and and they have various names, is what I'm trying to say. 190 00:16:17,200 --> 00:16:21,840 But they were very very much like us. And uh, some of 191 00:16:21,879 --> 00:16:27,879 them were were benevolent, some of them wanted to help humankind and see where 192 00:16:27,879 --> 00:16:30,799 we would go. And Steve knows this stuff. You know, uh, 193 00:16:30,960 --> 00:16:34,480 Project Earth, I call it. And some of them wanted to keep us 194 00:16:34,639 --> 00:16:41,000 so ignorant that we didn't even know we were naked. And and that's still 195 00:16:41,039 --> 00:16:45,120 going on today. There's a faction that's probably one you know, benevolent, 196 00:16:45,480 --> 00:16:49,919 wants to see how this grand experiment will turn out. And there's some of 197 00:16:49,960 --> 00:16:55,120 them who just want to use, uh, just use the planet for its 198 00:16:55,159 --> 00:17:00,360 resources. There's a George Lambsa. Are you familiar with him? And all 199 00:17:00,559 --> 00:17:04,359 got so? Got his Aramaic Bible right here? Oh excellent, yes, 200 00:17:04,559 --> 00:17:10,039 and have a book on New Testament. Yeah, the Aramaic scholar, right 201 00:17:10,119 --> 00:17:15,920 He grew up speaking Aramat. He wrote books called a Gospel like Old Testament 202 00:17:15,119 --> 00:17:21,240 like UH and uh and so forth. And he demonstrates that a lot of 203 00:17:21,279 --> 00:17:27,240 the UH phrases that are very much fire and brimstone and you know, eternal 204 00:17:27,319 --> 00:17:34,160 damnation were actually idiomatic expressions, were not meant to be taken any more literally 205 00:17:34,480 --> 00:17:41,039 than some of the the idiomatic expressions we use today. And it's exactly God, 206 00:17:41,440 --> 00:17:45,519 it kind of it just kind of takes that burden of the uh, 207 00:17:45,559 --> 00:17:49,440 of the guilt and of the sinner off your shoulders. And yeah, yeah, 208 00:17:49,519 --> 00:17:52,960 and and and and that's even you know, Susie, that's even without 209 00:17:53,359 --> 00:17:57,480 the et influence, you know, and and so in the church, you 210 00:17:57,519 --> 00:18:06,240 know that organizations do want power and you know, and want the control, 211 00:18:06,559 --> 00:18:10,960 and and so you have these followers. But but yeah, that's the I 212 00:18:11,000 --> 00:18:15,559 mean, if you read the many different translations in Aramaic of the Lord's prayer, 213 00:18:17,119 --> 00:18:22,920 nothing like what we have. Very mystical in a way. Uh no, 214 00:18:23,240 --> 00:18:27,960 no, I am you know us versus them kind of theology there, 215 00:18:29,279 --> 00:18:36,960 and that's again that's without the et influence. So here we have and I 216 00:18:37,319 --> 00:18:45,519 believe that this is why powers that be leadership around the world, governments, 217 00:18:45,559 --> 00:18:52,720 if you will, they're not ready to tackle the religious aspect of this phenomenon. 218 00:18:53,759 --> 00:18:57,960 They're not ready for that. And and you know they're having problems dealing, 219 00:18:59,079 --> 00:19:02,599 you know what with what they're dealing with. I'm not as critical as 220 00:19:02,599 --> 00:19:07,279 I was before. I mean, and by that, I mean I get 221 00:19:07,400 --> 00:19:11,880 why the drip drip drip of disclosure. I get all that, But it's 222 00:19:11,920 --> 00:19:15,200 gonna come out, you know how you know, how are you going to 223 00:19:15,279 --> 00:19:18,720 tell people that we don't control our airspace? How do you tell people that 224 00:19:18,759 --> 00:19:22,240 all this stuff about religion? Because it was stuff that we used to control. 225 00:19:22,839 --> 00:19:26,599 I get it. How you how are you going to come out and 226 00:19:26,640 --> 00:19:29,720 say, you know, some people lost their lives. We had to keep 227 00:19:29,759 --> 00:19:33,640 this under wraps. You can't if you come out with that, it's political 228 00:19:33,680 --> 00:19:37,039 suicide. But you also have to come out with enough so that when if 229 00:19:37,079 --> 00:19:41,920 it does bill out, you can cover you can cover your butt at the 230 00:19:41,920 --> 00:19:45,359 same time. But it's got to come out, and it will. But 231 00:19:45,400 --> 00:19:51,599 the religious aspect will be I think the most difficult. The technological stuff. 232 00:19:52,640 --> 00:19:55,119 Yeah, you can, you can, you can, you can, you 233 00:19:55,160 --> 00:20:03,759 can, you can navigate that. But when you start telling people, yahweh 234 00:20:04,119 --> 00:20:11,400 is an extraterrestrial, When you start telling people that Jesus either was a hybrid 235 00:20:11,680 --> 00:20:15,160 or hung out with that, you know, for I don't think for everybody. 236 00:20:15,160 --> 00:20:18,039 A lot of people will be able to handle that. I mean, 237 00:20:18,079 --> 00:20:22,160 I don't think that we can keep using that. Oh, society will fall 238 00:20:22,200 --> 00:20:30,599 apart. But it's gonna be a game changer for life as we know it. 239 00:20:30,759 --> 00:20:33,960 You know, if people are getting here, you know what's going to 240 00:20:34,039 --> 00:20:38,839 happen with British petroleum and exon, and it's a lot of money into that. 241 00:20:40,720 --> 00:20:45,000 If people are with cancer, that kind of thing, these beings I've 242 00:20:45,039 --> 00:20:48,319 had a healing from an extraterrestrial I mean, they could probably get rid of 243 00:20:48,359 --> 00:20:52,960 cancer and all these other things right away. But money's made from all this 244 00:20:52,000 --> 00:20:57,359 stuff. When you get people thinking, I'm not a blue Democrat and I'm 245 00:20:57,400 --> 00:21:02,000 not a red Republican, I'm not a maga person, I'm not a bleeding 246 00:21:02,039 --> 00:21:06,240 heart liberal. I'm a I'm a citizen of the world. You know, 247 00:21:06,400 --> 00:21:10,480 powers that be that this is, you know, we don't want that. 248 00:21:11,559 --> 00:21:14,160 You know, this is working, and if it's not working, it's still 249 00:21:14,200 --> 00:21:18,160 working for us. And I believe that's what our ancestors were trying to tell 250 00:21:18,240 --> 00:21:22,920 us, that this is what it was like to be occupied, to be 251 00:21:22,000 --> 00:21:27,079 invaded, and these are some of the things that we had to deal with. 252 00:21:27,759 --> 00:21:32,960 I believe that, in my heart, the Bible has beautiful stories. 253 00:21:33,000 --> 00:21:38,039 It's got a lot of wisdom and when we need that. But our ancestors 254 00:21:38,039 --> 00:21:44,759 were they weren't. We were invaded. The planet was invaded, and you 255 00:21:44,839 --> 00:21:48,640 know, and that's what we would call it today. That's what we would 256 00:21:48,640 --> 00:21:53,480 call it today, an invasion. That's scary stuff for a lot of people. 257 00:21:56,599 --> 00:22:00,799 I mean, I wasn't even I wasn't even thinking along these lines. 258 00:22:00,839 --> 00:22:03,720 When Steve and I we're talking, the whole big deal was he was a 259 00:22:03,759 --> 00:22:07,680 minister who's an experiencer and talking about ugos in the Bible. We're way past 260 00:22:07,680 --> 00:22:11,880 that now. I'm sorry, Yeah, no, I'm just I'm trying to 261 00:22:11,920 --> 00:22:17,880 think of you know, if I hadn't, you know, spent my free 262 00:22:17,920 --> 00:22:21,839 time talking to older men about UFOs on the internet like I do, and 263 00:22:21,920 --> 00:22:26,240 hadn't had these conversations, if someone just sprang that on me, I'm not 264 00:22:26,279 --> 00:22:30,279 sure how I would react, if you know, I hadn't had a background 265 00:22:30,319 --> 00:22:33,440 with it already. Yeah, I mean, I mean, for you listen, 266 00:22:33,720 --> 00:22:37,960 and Steve knows this. We haven't talked in a hundred years. But 267 00:22:38,640 --> 00:22:45,880 I I I still have post traumatic stress. It's not as bad, Okay, 268 00:22:45,200 --> 00:22:49,960 I you know the early days I'm John Mac. You know, Bud 269 00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:53,680 Hoppins regressed me, Doctor Gene Mundy. I have a hard time being home 270 00:22:53,720 --> 00:22:59,839 by myself when my wife has to be out of town. And I'm talking 271 00:23:00,039 --> 00:23:04,680 of seeing people walk through your walls. Okay, that's not supposed to happen. 272 00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:11,519 That's not supposed that's not supposed to happen, looking the way they do, 273 00:23:11,880 --> 00:23:17,680 sticking a needle in the back of my head following knowing where I am 274 00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:25,759 that that is the game changer. But I wouldn't have changed it. I 275 00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:36,039 find my experiences in the long run we're positive. But Newtonian physics doesn't explain 276 00:23:36,200 --> 00:23:44,200 your whole reality is changed. And so yeah, I'm hearing you. You 277 00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:47,680 know, because we were taught that this wasn't this doesn't happen. This is 278 00:23:47,759 --> 00:23:51,680 crazy. We are high on the food chain. This is as high as 279 00:23:51,759 --> 00:23:56,200 creation gets. You're not supposed to be able to walk through walls. You're 280 00:23:56,240 --> 00:23:59,880 not supposed to be able. The only person who heals you with a touch 281 00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:03,319 is Jesus of Nazareth. You know. We're not supposed to have basis and 282 00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:07,279 other places. Yeah, and you find out that everything that you were told 283 00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:14,960 is possibly you were possibly lied to, And how do you deal with that? 284 00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:18,039 So I get it, and I don't have this, you know, 285 00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:25,559 I'm this lofty attitude and but but but at times we have to grow up. 286 00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:36,680 And so how do we For instance, I'm a clergy person when this 287 00:24:36,799 --> 00:24:41,440 does come out, and it's coming out now, people are going to be 288 00:24:41,519 --> 00:24:47,680 coming to people like you and Steve and the and we got to have some 289 00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:52,640 freaking answers. We got to have some answers. Uh, you know, 290 00:24:52,799 --> 00:24:57,440 We've got to have some answers. That's just it, even saying I don't 291 00:24:57,480 --> 00:25:02,359 know, but you got to have an answer because people are gonna need. 292 00:25:02,839 --> 00:25:11,359 This is your ministry Sasquatch bigfoot stretching people's minds because you know, Oliver Wendell 293 00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:18,480 Holmes once the miners stretcher, can't go back guiding them through this because who 294 00:25:18,559 --> 00:25:21,759 do you think they're gonna come to? Our government is going to be trying 295 00:25:21,759 --> 00:25:26,000 to cover their butt. And I get it. I'm not gonna bad mouth 296 00:25:26,079 --> 00:25:37,440 them, but no lie lives forever, Nietzsche tells us. And so more 297 00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:41,720 transparency. That's why people come to you. Now, let's go to the 298 00:25:41,799 --> 00:25:45,640 mouth man. Let's everybody else thinks I'm crazy. You and Steve know I'm 299 00:25:45,680 --> 00:25:49,319 not. Reverend Carter knows I'm not. How am I gonna navigate this? 300 00:25:51,279 --> 00:25:59,559 We're gonna be needed grassroots people, and it's important. It's important. Yeah, 301 00:25:59,559 --> 00:26:03,240 absolutely, and kind of like keeping a flexible mind, an open mind. 302 00:26:04,119 --> 00:26:11,240 I think we need to do more of you cannot not. You cannot 303 00:26:11,279 --> 00:26:15,759 not, I don't think, and I think I think we can do it. 304 00:26:17,359 --> 00:26:22,839 Our ancestors did it not perfect. They doctored up the Bible. They 305 00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:26,440 changed things around. They made Yahweh the principal God. Yeah, we know 306 00:26:26,519 --> 00:26:30,240 that. Sixth and seventh century. We can talk about that. King Hezekiah 307 00:26:30,279 --> 00:26:33,839 and King Josiah, we can talk about that. They wanted everybody to be 308 00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:38,759 Yahuist. They didn't want you worshiping Baal or co or what's the brother's name, 309 00:26:38,799 --> 00:26:42,799 Cohas. I mean, these were other extraterrestials astra. They didn't want 310 00:26:42,799 --> 00:26:48,079 that. I get it, got it, but they had to navigate it 311 00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:53,720 that we lived in a populated universe. You know, you know in in 312 00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:57,319 in East India, you know they had those Blue people, they had Christians, 313 00:26:57,359 --> 00:27:02,160 they're portrayers. Do they talk about to be manas the Flying Cities, 314 00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:06,880 You got the Mohawks and and and the Cherokee talking about the Palladian and the 315 00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:11,119 Star people. We were invaded, and you don't want your government telling you 316 00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:18,480 that that we probably still are. You know, well you're gonna tell them, 317 00:27:18,759 --> 00:27:21,519 But that's what happened. And some of these people are still here, 318 00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:26,880 and some of these people are working with governments around the world, and uh, 319 00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:29,519 we got to put our big boy pants on our big girl pants. 320 00:27:29,519 --> 00:27:34,839 And because it's it's, it's it's it's just the way it is, just 321 00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:38,839 the way it is. We're not alone. And some of these beings want 322 00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:45,759 to you know, some of them don't want to sing Imagine and Kubaya and 323 00:27:45,839 --> 00:27:52,359 some do. Yeah, and that that makes a lot of sense when you 324 00:27:52,440 --> 00:28:00,680 hear experiencers that have a very positive experience and then others I did. Yeah, 325 00:28:00,799 --> 00:28:03,920 Yeah, I was one of those. I was one of those. 326 00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:07,039 I mean, I wasn't that far gone where all they did. But when 327 00:28:07,079 --> 00:28:10,880 I started writing my books and reading, I wanted I was in John max 328 00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:17,599 Camp more than my brother, but Hopkin, but we blended. But I 329 00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:22,640 wanted people. It was like if a person of color stole your pocketbook and 330 00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:26,000 ran down the street, and now all people of color were thieves. Well, 331 00:28:26,039 --> 00:28:32,160 what was happening is that all these beings were were bad. And I 332 00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:36,240 wanted to say, yes, I still have Back then, I didn't think 333 00:28:36,279 --> 00:28:38,839 i'd still have post traumatic stress, but I do. But but I just 334 00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:41,440 wanted them to see that. But there was some good that come out, 335 00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:44,920 and I'm not the only one. Their books written about it. Now there's 336 00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:48,000 data that shows but But that's what I wanted to say. We can't do 337 00:28:48,119 --> 00:28:52,200 that. We do that with each other. And look what we're doing. 338 00:28:52,599 --> 00:28:55,599 If I'm you know, I live in the South Man, and you know, 339 00:28:55,599 --> 00:28:59,160 if someone calls me the ND word, am I going to say all 340 00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:03,799 white people do that? You can't do that. The Bible, all these 341 00:29:03,799 --> 00:29:07,400 books have strong words about that's called judgment. Now there's righteous judgment. I'm 342 00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:11,599 not gonna walk down a bad neighborhood in the middle of the night going, 343 00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:14,400 oh, I'm not going to drugs and if I get beat up or robbed, 344 00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:17,680 I mean, that's that's stupid. But I'm saying, you know, 345 00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:21,319 we do that with each other people. I know, you know, people 346 00:29:21,359 --> 00:29:23,400 that I thought were one way, I get to know them, nothing like 347 00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:27,519 that. But my fear gets in the way. See the stereotype kets in 348 00:29:27,559 --> 00:29:32,240 the way. And we were doing that with folks. But on the other 349 00:29:32,319 --> 00:29:37,039 hand, and I'm not like my brother Greer. Maybe he's changed a bit, 350 00:29:37,119 --> 00:29:41,079 but Greer is saying, well, they're all want to hold your hand, 351 00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:44,599 and I don't know if that's true. It certainly isn't true in our 352 00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:48,759 sacred scriptures. It's not true. So we got to walk that balance, 353 00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:55,359 you know, because like the Buddhists, you know, life is both and 354 00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:57,480 it's not always either or, but it's both. And but that's the way 355 00:29:57,480 --> 00:30:02,960 of grown up. You have to look at it like that, you know 356 00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:06,319 what I mean, you know, I you know, I read a lot 357 00:30:06,359 --> 00:30:10,640 obviously, and you know reading about the Palladiums, do you know there and 358 00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:15,039 Billy Meyer and Georgia Danski. But there's some Palladiums that were not the nicest 359 00:30:15,279 --> 00:30:18,400 people. But but in the UFO community, the blonde, blue eyed, 360 00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:22,680 oh they're all loved. They're beautiful if you like that standard of beauty. 361 00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:26,279 But you know they had their things too. They were fighting among themselves, 362 00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:33,400 that you know, And so we got to get a realistic Usually it's in 363 00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:36,559 the middle, the middle way. I don't even it could be politics, 364 00:30:36,599 --> 00:30:40,319 could be every whatever you want. I'm not going to get into politics, 365 00:30:40,359 --> 00:30:45,240 but we are in the politics. But my point is usually the middle way 366 00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:56,079 helps. Extremism doesn't. Extremism does not do it. But we don't, 367 00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:59,680 you know, it takes us a long time to learn. Steve, you 368 00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:02,359 feel to me, I know you know what I'm talking about. I know 369 00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:04,039 you know too, Susie. I'm not always in the way. The things 370 00:31:04,039 --> 00:31:07,559 you stand for I'm not talking about well, well I kind of see their 371 00:31:07,599 --> 00:31:11,640 point too, Yeah, the things you stand for. But when you go 372 00:31:11,839 --> 00:31:21,480 extreme, look look where we are. Look where we are. I'm right, 373 00:31:21,559 --> 00:31:23,960 you're wrong, he's right, you're wrong, you're black, I'm white, 374 00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:26,480 you're this, you're that. I mean, we got we got yeah, 375 00:31:26,519 --> 00:31:30,599 we got differences. And I think some of these beings are trying to 376 00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:36,000 tell us that you got to planet here, you need to take care of 377 00:31:36,839 --> 00:31:44,119 two. I belong to a very liberal denomination. It's the Unitarian Universalis's denomination 378 00:31:44,319 --> 00:31:52,039 denomination. But there's people who are very very dogmatic in their liberalism. We 379 00:31:52,079 --> 00:31:56,200 don't talk about that. We talk about the conservatives and how you know, 380 00:31:56,200 --> 00:32:00,000 oh boy, wait man, what is it that automatical? Yeah? Yeah, 381 00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:05,240 But I know people who are so liberal that they're dogmatic because they can't 382 00:32:05,279 --> 00:32:13,319 see, even in the UFO community that you're entrenched. You can't see that 383 00:32:13,359 --> 00:32:21,039 there's another way to look at this. And while it's a mess, and 384 00:32:21,119 --> 00:32:29,960 if you're set in your ways to the extreme, alcohol, if you're if 385 00:32:30,039 --> 00:32:32,799 you're in you know, one extreme or the other, you can be divided 386 00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:37,279 that way easily. You can be controlled that way. And and for people, 387 00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:40,240 I'm sorry, maybe there's some people didn't like that. I'm just joking, 388 00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:45,599 but who watch, but you gotta have a little levity. But but 389 00:32:45,759 --> 00:32:50,599 yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's not you know, while we're 390 00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:52,640 fighting over some of these things, and these are culture things that we have 391 00:32:52,759 --> 00:33:00,400 to deal with. But people while we're fighting each other, people making money, 392 00:33:01,279 --> 00:33:07,640 people advanced that we're fighting over these things. They you know, they 393 00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:10,400 it's fine. Let the Romans knew how to do it, Breton circuses, 394 00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:16,440 keep them entertained, keep them, keep them at each other's throats. But 395 00:33:16,559 --> 00:33:21,400 even then and then they're they're there, their their republic became an empire. 396 00:33:21,839 --> 00:33:27,599 And then you know, no one had to to conquer the Roman empire. 397 00:33:28,079 --> 00:33:31,079 Uh. They they kind of did it themselves from the decadence, you know, 398 00:33:31,759 --> 00:33:36,880 they just they just did it was just easier to conquer because they had 399 00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:47,960 already lost the moral compass. The you know, pick up a book somebody 400 00:33:50,039 --> 00:33:52,039 just read. Just read the history. Don't say it was written by this 401 00:33:52,079 --> 00:33:55,920 white man or this black man or this white woman. Fine, everybody's got 402 00:33:55,920 --> 00:33:59,440 a perspective, but just pick it up. They all come to the same 403 00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:08,159 conclusion. We screwed each other. We got so crazy that it was just 404 00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:15,239 easy this come on. You mentioned you came from a kind of a very 405 00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:19,039 I guess, uh, am I going to Oh no, no, no, 406 00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:23,000 I'm sorry, kind of a fundamental or or or more literalist tradition. 407 00:34:23,679 --> 00:34:30,840 Yeah, and you, but you mentioned new thought. It was an area 408 00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:34,320 that I've studied a great deal of. And can you tell us a little 409 00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:38,199 bit about now. Look, ladies and gentlemen, we're not trying to proselytize 410 00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:44,280 or change your religious beliefs, but I find this a fascinating area. So 411 00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:49,039 what what? How did this uh, this transition occur? How how did 412 00:34:49,079 --> 00:34:55,519 you find I guess a different way. Well, it came from not having 413 00:34:55,559 --> 00:35:02,199 a literalist Again, this is even before you were posed up, not having 414 00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:08,440 a literalist interpretation that that that if I came from God is love. You 415 00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:12,880 know. They call it new age, but I'm finding this is nothing. 416 00:35:13,119 --> 00:35:19,320 There's no such thing as new age. It's old truths being rediscovered. Okay, 417 00:35:19,519 --> 00:35:24,719 it's old truths being rediscovered and that new thought. I like the idea 418 00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:30,159 of this oneness. I like the idea that I wasn't so much a victim 419 00:35:30,679 --> 00:35:32,920 that I had a hand in my life. Yes, there's such a thing 420 00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:38,199 as faith. Things do happen. But if I visualize, if I get 421 00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:43,800 up here and in my heart what I want to do, the universe will 422 00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:46,920 respond. Why because I'm part of it. I'm not separate from it. 423 00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:52,039 It's not a god way out there separate from me. And I'm you know, 424 00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:54,800 I'm a sinner and I'm no good and I don't deserve any good or 425 00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:59,559 whatever. The new thought was like, yes, there is something greater than 426 00:35:59,599 --> 00:36:06,559 you call it what you will. That it's not so much what happens to 427 00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:10,800 you, but how you respond, not react, but respond to it. 428 00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:15,559 That you can meditate, that you can walk in the woods, that you 429 00:36:15,639 --> 00:36:21,360 can walk on the beach, that you can that you can create to a 430 00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:29,079 degree the life that you want by staying positive, not in denial, but 431 00:36:29,239 --> 00:36:31,639 by seeing the good in your life. What does that look like, having 432 00:36:31,719 --> 00:36:38,760 gratitude, being thankful, seeing that that that force, that God, that 433 00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:43,639 or whatever you want to call it, higher power, that it's in me 434 00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:49,000 and it's in you, And that these teachings were going back from the Bible 435 00:36:49,039 --> 00:37:00,880 and beyond. That was to me, that was uh water to someone dying 436 00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:06,239 of thirst, and it wasn't new, it's it's there, but you had 437 00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:09,920 to read deeper. You had to go to a different level than not just 438 00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:15,280 skimming skimming the surface of it. And it also that there were many levels 439 00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:22,440 of reality. That's how I got to it. And but I realized that 440 00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:28,559 that was in contrast to what my Baptist peers wanted me to believe. It 441 00:37:28,599 --> 00:37:35,039 was a Baptist. Give you an example. I started doing energy healing reiki. 442 00:37:35,119 --> 00:37:37,440 I don't know what it is now. You know, around the time 443 00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:49,000 I had my experiences, a woman today she you know, I taught her 444 00:37:49,079 --> 00:37:58,599 first degree reiki. I've been giving her energy distant healing and a tumor went 445 00:37:58,639 --> 00:38:02,199 away. I found out today tumor went away. The doctor's puzzled by it. 446 00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:07,519 She had some gallstones that went away. Now, let me first say 447 00:38:07,559 --> 00:38:10,519 this, that's not me. That's the energy that comes through me. But 448 00:38:10,599 --> 00:38:15,320 she had to tell me about it. But I was taught to think that 449 00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:17,480 the only person who could do that was Jesus, even though Jesus said, 450 00:38:17,679 --> 00:38:23,119 greater works than I do, you can do exactly. I'm not a fool. 451 00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:30,199 I know it's not Michael. It's not Michael. When I did that. 452 00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:31,920 I probably went home and had a beer later after that. I'm just 453 00:38:32,079 --> 00:38:36,400 not this holy life. Yes I'm a minister, but I'm pretty sure I 454 00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:40,119 did. It was a long day with her, but that energy we can 455 00:38:40,199 --> 00:38:47,039 all tap into. But I in religion, organized or disorganized, most of 456 00:38:47,119 --> 00:38:54,519 it tells us that that's just reserved for special folks. Steve Ward can't do 457 00:38:54,639 --> 00:38:59,119 that. Susie can't do that. Reverend Carter, you better not be doing 458 00:38:59,199 --> 00:39:06,760 it. So I had to move on from that. I respect that it 459 00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:09,760 works. It still works for some of my friends and stuff, so I 460 00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:15,119 don't beat up on it. I remember the Dalai Lama saying that if you 461 00:39:15,199 --> 00:39:19,119 have to really, if you have to live, leave your religion of origin. 462 00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:22,599 Don't talk bad about it because it works for some people. He was 463 00:39:22,599 --> 00:39:25,039 saying, you can use Buddhism to make you a better Christian, a better 464 00:39:25,079 --> 00:39:30,960 atheist, a better agnostic, a better malclim because Buddhism is a philosophy of 465 00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:34,920 life. It's not a religion. It's very similar to Stoicism that the Romans 466 00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:37,920 were doing. They were coexisting around the same time. Stoicism is just a 467 00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:45,840 Western concept, but philosophy of that. But I help this woman, she 468 00:39:45,960 --> 00:39:50,440 will help someone else. And I can't say I did it. I just 469 00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:53,280 know that after sending her energy and she learning it, it went away. 470 00:39:53,639 --> 00:39:58,960 Who knows, but it didn't hurt her, it helped her. Religion would 471 00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:04,639 tell me that that's that was probably the devil or it was something. Yeah, 472 00:40:04,639 --> 00:40:08,920 and so I just I just had to leave that. Yeah. Yeah, 473 00:40:09,039 --> 00:40:14,840 I was just reading the other day that there's actually a young man, 474 00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:20,960 he might even be a teenager, that they're thinking about. They're they're already 475 00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:24,639 talking about making him a saint because he's been yes yes, yes, yes, 476 00:40:24,719 --> 00:40:29,760 yes, yes yes yeah. And you know, listen, I wasn't 477 00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:35,159 raised Catholic. My wife was raised Catholic. She's a UU and where not 478 00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:37,599 even you. I mean, we're beyond that. But that's the church that 479 00:40:37,639 --> 00:40:40,320 gives me the most leeway that I could come and talk about this without them 480 00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:47,360 saying, the diocese wants to talk to you on Friday. The Catholic Church 481 00:40:49,559 --> 00:40:57,679 has done unspeakable. We won't go into it, but they're the only denomination 482 00:40:57,880 --> 00:41:04,039 talking about extraterrestrial life. In two thousand and nine, Pope Benedict the sixteenth, 483 00:41:04,199 --> 00:41:08,280 the most conservative church, a conservative pope in my lifetime said that there 484 00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:12,639 were extra torrestrials in the Bible. He said, you shouldn't be surprised. 485 00:41:12,719 --> 00:41:16,119 Paup Benedict said this in two thousand and nine. He also said in two 486 00:41:16,159 --> 00:41:22,280 thousand and nine that Yahweh is not the name for God. I thought this 487 00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:27,119 would be there'll be more reaction to it, because four hundred years ago, 488 00:41:27,679 --> 00:41:31,000 you and Steve and I would be burned at the stake for what we're talking 489 00:41:31,039 --> 00:41:37,000 about now, four hundred years ago. So the Catholic Church, Lord knows 490 00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:39,840 what secrets they have and whatever, but they're talking about this. Pope Francis 491 00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:46,280 has alluded to it. Monsignor Baladucci Corrado Baladucci, who's cost over now, 492 00:41:46,599 --> 00:41:51,960 he was one of the Vatican exorcists. He talked about this with Whitley Strieber 493 00:41:52,280 --> 00:41:54,920 in his book Confirmation. And even you know, we've got Vatican folk. 494 00:41:55,599 --> 00:42:00,119 What's his name, he's a Jesuit funs you any Yes, he's at the 495 00:42:00,199 --> 00:42:06,840 Vatican Conservatory. They're looking in the skies. So you know, nobody's all 496 00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:10,320 bad and nobody's all good, but at least they are. I was raised 497 00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:15,639 Protestant. I don't see many Protestants. Doctor Barry Downing, who's my friend 498 00:42:15,639 --> 00:42:20,840 and colleague and mentor not. Many church people are talking about it, and 499 00:42:20,920 --> 00:42:25,440 I'm an experiencer and I'm talking about it, and so we need people talking 500 00:42:25,480 --> 00:42:31,440 about it in religion. When I go to conferences and I'm talking about you 501 00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:37,079 know, some of the things I do talk about, you know my experiences, 502 00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:45,639 you know, they love it. But when I talk about the spiritual 503 00:42:45,679 --> 00:42:52,920 implications the religious and you can hear pindrop because that's the every day I don't 504 00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:58,760 know about the combustion systems. I don't know about that. Other brilliant minds 505 00:42:58,760 --> 00:43:02,679 are working on that. People are saying, can I believe an extraterrestrial life 506 00:43:02,760 --> 00:43:07,400 and still be a Christian? Can I believe in extraterrestial life and still be 507 00:43:07,119 --> 00:43:10,679 Can I? And I'm not crazy? And can I do that? And 508 00:43:10,719 --> 00:43:16,920 that's why they need us. They need your podcast, they need me doing 509 00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:21,320 whatever it is I'm doing. I don't have a UFO church. I don't 510 00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:23,480 talk about this a church. They know I'm doing it. I almost lost 511 00:43:23,519 --> 00:43:27,760 my job, but they stood up for me. I almost lost my job, 512 00:43:29,519 --> 00:43:31,559 but I don't you know, that's not what they hired me for. 513 00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:35,920 I'm not trying to force them, Like Steve said, change your belief system. 514 00:43:36,199 --> 00:43:38,639 But I'm just saying this is what happened, and we need to be 515 00:43:38,679 --> 00:43:46,159 open to that as we move forward. Otherwise you'll be left behind. You'll 516 00:43:46,199 --> 00:43:54,360 be a dinosaur. The again, back to the New Thought religions. New 517 00:43:54,400 --> 00:44:00,719 Thought it seemed to arise in the late eighteen hundreds. Along it was. 518 00:44:00,840 --> 00:44:06,079 It was an amazing time. Spiritualism, the Fox Sisters, Theosophy, they 519 00:44:06,119 --> 00:44:12,639 all rose up at the same time. We had the Christian Science, uh 520 00:44:13,039 --> 00:44:17,480 the Fillmores with the Unity School of Christianity, Religious Science, Earnest Homes and 521 00:44:17,760 --> 00:44:22,239 I grew up in the Christian Science tradition, and so as as the years 522 00:44:22,239 --> 00:44:25,920 went by, I was just became fascinated with the whole movement. And if 523 00:44:25,960 --> 00:44:30,840 people go back and read about this, you were talking about healing. There 524 00:44:30,880 --> 00:44:35,119 was a great healing movement there back then. They were they were using the 525 00:44:35,199 --> 00:44:40,199 same philosophical principles, even though there might be some minor differences between the different 526 00:44:40,639 --> 00:44:45,480 philosophies or whatever. But it was just an amazing time. And like you 527 00:44:45,559 --> 00:44:51,000 said, this was wasn't new. This is using the same principles that were 528 00:44:51,119 --> 00:44:58,000 used two thousand years before Emmic Fox talking about the German on on on the 529 00:44:58,119 --> 00:45:01,880 Mouth. Yes, Baker Eddie which was was was Christian science. Yeah, 530 00:45:02,199 --> 00:45:07,039 the and I still have some of their uh the Raymond Charles Barker who was 531 00:45:07,039 --> 00:45:13,800 in New York because I used to go to a religious science church and Unity, 532 00:45:14,480 --> 00:45:20,480 uh Eric Butterworth, Eric Butterworth. They still kept their Christian flavor signs 533 00:45:20,519 --> 00:45:24,480 of mind. Religious science deviated from that somewhat, but they were taking the 534 00:45:24,519 --> 00:45:30,239 teachings of Jesus and saying that it was more of a mental science. Do 535 00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:34,079 you want to be healed, you can use your mind. Your mind is 536 00:45:34,119 --> 00:45:37,360 connected to the one mind which we call God and that and that you're part 537 00:45:37,360 --> 00:45:42,719 of that. And it was revolutionary. It still is. I went to 538 00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:47,039 church for a while, yes, so did I bring Jack Boland and Warren 539 00:45:47,079 --> 00:45:52,480 Michigan just an amazing guy. He was so far away from a Bible thumper 540 00:45:52,599 --> 00:45:57,519 or or the fire and brimstone, you know. And another thing you mentioned, 541 00:45:57,599 --> 00:46:01,480 you said it's important to get a good trend of the Bible because things 542 00:46:01,559 --> 00:46:07,880 get and and my one of my favorite phrases to talk about is sinner repent. 543 00:46:07,320 --> 00:46:12,519 When when you hear that you got this this heavy guilt thrown on you, 544 00:46:12,519 --> 00:46:17,559 you miserable sinner. But repent comes from the Greek words metanoia means to 545 00:46:19,079 --> 00:46:30,960 change your thinking. The rage thinking and and sin is a uh uh archery. 546 00:46:30,119 --> 00:46:39,079 Yeah, exactly, and and and and see that's why people Susie's d 547 00:46:39,320 --> 00:46:45,800 y'all know, that's why people leaving religion and droves because it doesn't you know, 548 00:46:46,239 --> 00:46:51,519 if if I think I don't deserve good, how could I ever have 549 00:46:51,679 --> 00:46:54,119 it? If you teach me I don't deserve it? If you're telling me 550 00:46:54,239 --> 00:47:02,000 money is evil and then you send three collection plates around really the building fund? 551 00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:04,960 I mean, how much? How much money is the building? You're 552 00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:08,239 giving to the building fund for twenty years? What's going on? You see 553 00:47:08,239 --> 00:47:15,000 what I'm saying? And so and so that's why people are leaving how and 554 00:47:15,159 --> 00:47:19,039 and and the reason that I do well at my church is because I take 555 00:47:19,079 --> 00:47:23,880 those stories without the UFO influence, and I try to make it relevant for 556 00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:30,440 today. And you empower Steve is saying this, it's empowering your audience. 557 00:47:30,639 --> 00:47:32,920 Someone is saying, you know, I never thought about that, Hey man, 558 00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:36,679 I didn't know that. First thing you do is you get angry because 559 00:47:36,679 --> 00:47:40,000 you know you've been okie dope, but you start to go look on your 560 00:47:40,000 --> 00:47:45,159 own. You got to have the good translation King James version. It sounds 561 00:47:45,199 --> 00:47:49,760 like everybody's doing Shakespeare in theater. What is what is a good translation? 562 00:47:51,360 --> 00:47:55,840 Uh? Steve talked about what about George Lamsa. I was gonna say, 563 00:47:57,159 --> 00:48:04,519 it's the aramatic translation of the Bible. The New Jerusalem Bible is a good 564 00:48:04,519 --> 00:48:15,719 translation, the American standard version. And I'll tell you why. The Bibles 565 00:48:15,760 --> 00:48:20,599 that they sell to the average family is different from the Bible that they sell 566 00:48:20,639 --> 00:48:28,159 to scholars, and so the translations are not the same. So when you 567 00:48:28,199 --> 00:48:34,360 get the New Jerusalem Bible, for instance, it will tell you eloheen is 568 00:48:34,480 --> 00:48:39,599 plural, that we're talking about gods. It will tell you that, and 569 00:48:39,679 --> 00:48:45,559 so you need It will say where you may see the Lord said, it 570 00:48:45,599 --> 00:48:50,079 may be elohean, where you may see the heavenly council. It may say, 571 00:48:50,119 --> 00:48:53,320 well, I call it a federation, but you'll get the heavenly because 572 00:48:53,360 --> 00:48:58,079 you see heavenly counsel, you think our angels singing in harps and whatever. 573 00:48:58,320 --> 00:49:02,840 But it will tell you it's a gathering. We would call it a galactic 574 00:49:02,880 --> 00:49:08,440 federation today. And so you want the New Jerusalem Bible is probably one of 575 00:49:08,480 --> 00:49:13,800 the best, and it will tell you this translation and other Bibles will say, 576 00:49:13,960 --> 00:49:22,119 so it's more transparent. Any type of interlinear Bible you can get the 577 00:49:22,159 --> 00:49:27,559 pro The King James version is beautiful. But these are not Shakespearean actors. 578 00:49:28,679 --> 00:49:30,480 Do you know what I mean? And so that's what you need. And 579 00:49:30,519 --> 00:49:37,199 because those are scholarly Bibles and scholarly translations and so, but what they say, 580 00:49:37,320 --> 00:49:39,679 what they what they do, what the average person buys, the average 581 00:49:39,679 --> 00:49:44,800 family is not going to have that. So when they say when you know, 582 00:49:45,000 --> 00:49:47,119 when you read that, and they're saying the Lord said, and they're 583 00:49:47,119 --> 00:49:52,480 saying the Looean, it's a whole and you can't unlearn it once once you 584 00:49:52,519 --> 00:49:58,239 see that these are stories. These are not stories about a omniscient, omnipresent, 585 00:49:58,639 --> 00:50:08,760 omnipotent deity. These are stories of invasion. These are stories of obedience 586 00:50:09,360 --> 00:50:15,360 to keep you paying, praying, and obeying. These are not God stories. 587 00:50:15,519 --> 00:50:21,599 And when you read it as God stories, you miss the moral because 588 00:50:21,639 --> 00:50:24,119 you're saying, wait a minute, Yahweh is telling these people to go into 589 00:50:24,159 --> 00:50:30,639 Canaan and kill men, women and children. What kind of God would do 590 00:50:30,719 --> 00:50:36,079 that? And then someone says that, don't ask that, So you're confused, 591 00:50:36,320 --> 00:50:40,239 but you're in your spirit you know better. But once you see them 592 00:50:40,280 --> 00:50:46,199 as stories of our ancestors telling us that we were invaded, that these beings, 593 00:50:46,679 --> 00:50:50,400 you know, they come to us when we need them, and some 594 00:50:50,480 --> 00:50:53,760 of them come to us and they're not giving us the good time. Once 595 00:50:53,800 --> 00:50:59,280 you look at it that way, then you don't you start saying, ah, 596 00:50:59,440 --> 00:51:01,800 okay, this is what these stories are about. Now, when you 597 00:51:01,840 --> 00:51:06,519 get to the New Testament, that's a totally different thing. Jesus is talking 598 00:51:06,519 --> 00:51:12,440 about his father, and his father is not Yahweh. You know, in 599 00:51:12,480 --> 00:51:15,599 the Bible, he never praises Yahweh. If anything, he does talk bad 600 00:51:15,599 --> 00:51:23,360 about Yahweh. So they're two different entities, two different entities. The churches 601 00:51:23,400 --> 00:51:29,119 won't tell you that. Why not because they're all trying to keep a secret. 602 00:51:29,440 --> 00:51:36,400 But I know people who know what I'm saying, but they can't say 603 00:51:36,400 --> 00:51:39,880 it because they'll lose their tenure. They got family, Yes, instead of 604 00:51:39,880 --> 00:51:45,199 a jealous God, did you have a God that takes care of the the 605 00:51:45,360 --> 00:51:49,599 desparrows that fall on your list? Exactly? It's a whole different mindset, 606 00:51:49,639 --> 00:51:52,840 but they can't say it. They can't say, Yahweh's crazy and he's an 607 00:51:53,000 --> 00:52:00,840 entity, because they'll lose their jobs. They'll they'll lose their tenure. And 608 00:52:00,880 --> 00:52:05,199 then you got people who are scholars and they go, Okay, you know, 609 00:52:05,360 --> 00:52:07,559 I can't go back and do all my research over again. So I'm 610 00:52:07,559 --> 00:52:13,519 just gonna keep quiet about But they know, but they can't come out and 611 00:52:13,559 --> 00:52:15,719 say. And I say that because I don't want to be judge. I 612 00:52:15,760 --> 00:52:21,760 don't want to say that. Everybody's you know, under the radar. But 613 00:52:22,639 --> 00:52:29,119 every minister has to he or she has to gauge on their own how far 614 00:52:29,280 --> 00:52:35,440 I can go. If I went to my congregation and said this, even 615 00:52:35,440 --> 00:52:38,679 though they watch ancient aliens, but if I was teaching this every Sunday, 616 00:52:38,960 --> 00:52:43,679 I would split my congregation in half. There would be some people say Michael's 617 00:52:43,679 --> 00:52:45,760 onto something, and there was some people say he's a heathen, he's crazy 618 00:52:45,840 --> 00:52:51,199 or whatever. Why would I do that to them? That's their community, 619 00:52:51,360 --> 00:52:57,000 you see what I'm saying. Yeah, so what do you think about some 620 00:52:57,079 --> 00:53:00,719 of these other writings that are not necessary the Bible, but you know, 621 00:53:00,920 --> 00:53:08,039 kind of religious writings who were taken out, And yeah, I think that 622 00:53:08,079 --> 00:53:14,079 we need to be paying attention to them. Well, I have the Josephus, 623 00:53:16,800 --> 00:53:21,960 who was Jewish, but some people call him a trader, but he 624 00:53:22,360 --> 00:53:27,800 was a high ranking Roman and he was talking about the fall of Jerusalem. 625 00:53:27,920 --> 00:53:30,599 I think it's in book six, and that there were flying chariots in the 626 00:53:30,599 --> 00:53:36,559 sky at the fall of Jerusalem. He's saying this. You know, obviously 627 00:53:36,599 --> 00:53:40,639 there's the Book of Enoch. Go and look at the Book of Philip, 628 00:53:40,679 --> 00:53:45,800 where you know where Jesus is kissing Mary Magdalene on the mouth, and they 629 00:53:45,840 --> 00:53:51,519 asked Jesus, how come you love her more? No, how can you 630 00:53:51,519 --> 00:53:52,360 do that with her? He says, what you mean is how do I 631 00:53:52,400 --> 00:53:55,719 love her more than you? I think that these you know, yes, 632 00:53:55,800 --> 00:54:00,920 there's some forgeries, but we have to take these into consideration. The book 633 00:54:00,960 --> 00:54:05,599 that we have now, you know, that's after the Council of not and 634 00:54:05,679 --> 00:54:09,079 I see it politics was involved. These are the books we're going to accept, 635 00:54:09,360 --> 00:54:12,719 and these are the books that we want. So when people say, 636 00:54:12,719 --> 00:54:15,760 oh, I don't want to get in politics, you're already in it up 637 00:54:15,800 --> 00:54:21,000 to your you know what you see. I get what they're saying. You 638 00:54:21,039 --> 00:54:23,400 know, politics is what you know, but you know it is what it 639 00:54:23,559 --> 00:54:27,760 is. You know, there's honorable politicians, but you don't hear about them 640 00:54:27,760 --> 00:54:30,960 anymore. But my point being, it's just that we're already in politics. 641 00:54:31,079 --> 00:54:35,519 Religion and politics, that's what we're talking about. When you read the Bible, 642 00:54:35,840 --> 00:54:43,760 Saul David Samson, that's religion and politics, Solomon. When you go 643 00:54:43,880 --> 00:54:51,000 back and you read the Epic of Gilgamesh about the hybrid. Gilgames was a 644 00:54:51,079 --> 00:54:54,719 hybrid. One of his parents was a god. He wanted to become a 645 00:54:54,800 --> 00:55:00,280 god. When you read the Epic of Gilgamest, when you read and uh 646 00:55:00,559 --> 00:55:07,159 and andmu eleish I probably tore that to shreds about these Mesopotamian texts. And 647 00:55:07,239 --> 00:55:14,519 so these scriptures tell us that if you go back and read the Upanashads, 648 00:55:15,840 --> 00:55:20,039 right, if you go back and read the Hindu vaders about the Vimanas, 649 00:55:20,119 --> 00:55:24,119 these these ships, these flying machines, they're talking. These are flying machines, 650 00:55:24,800 --> 00:55:30,639 cities, flying cities. Sounds like a mothership. Our ancestors were telling 651 00:55:30,760 --> 00:55:34,719 us, when you're again, the Hope, the Cherokee, the Mohawks, 652 00:55:34,760 --> 00:55:39,079 the star people. They taught us how to begin civilization, how to plant, 653 00:55:39,320 --> 00:55:45,760 what plants were good to eat, what plants were poisonous, astronomy, 654 00:55:45,800 --> 00:55:51,920 astrology, all our all our history is telling us about beings who came down 655 00:55:51,960 --> 00:55:58,760 from the sky. And some of them were helpful and jump started civilization, 656 00:55:59,320 --> 00:56:04,000 and some of them were not so helpful. It's whether you're in Africa, 657 00:56:04,079 --> 00:56:07,159 whether you're in the Nordic countries, you know, whether you're in India, 658 00:56:07,280 --> 00:56:14,039 whether you're Native American, Aboriginal Australians. All these stories are about these beings 659 00:56:14,039 --> 00:56:20,440 who come down. Plato talks about it. Plato talks about every five thousand 660 00:56:20,599 --> 00:56:27,320 I've been going back and reading to Mayis and Fhato and Crimeus. Every five 661 00:56:27,360 --> 00:56:35,000 thousand years there's a cataclysm, because he's talking about Atlantis as well. But 662 00:56:35,079 --> 00:56:38,679 he's talking about every five thousand years. You know, it's there's some cataclysm. 663 00:56:38,960 --> 00:56:43,480 Whether it's an asteroid, whether it's a poll shift, he doesn't say, 664 00:56:43,760 --> 00:56:46,800 but he says. And he talks about reincarnation. Plato believed in the 665 00:56:46,840 --> 00:56:51,960 gods who we would call at and he believed in a god. He talked 666 00:56:52,000 --> 00:56:55,719 about what we would call quantum physics. He talked about a fractalized universe. 667 00:56:55,760 --> 00:57:01,719 He was talking about this twenty five years, twenty five years before Jesus, 668 00:57:02,920 --> 00:57:08,360 and he talks about every five thousand years or so, there's there's a cataclysm, 669 00:57:08,360 --> 00:57:13,880 maybe it's a poll shift, maybe it's an asteroid hitting us, and 670 00:57:13,960 --> 00:57:22,719 that humanity goes back to ground zero and the survivors are visited by the gods 671 00:57:22,159 --> 00:57:27,440 and they jumpstart, go back and read it. When I see when I 672 00:57:27,519 --> 00:57:30,320 was in when we talked about Plato, when I was in school, they 673 00:57:30,320 --> 00:57:32,039 just gave you a little handout. They didn't go back into all this. 674 00:57:32,280 --> 00:57:37,840 They gave you the handout they wanted you to read. And so we may 675 00:57:37,880 --> 00:57:42,920 be at that juncture now where we could have a poll ship. Edgar Casey 676 00:57:43,000 --> 00:57:46,239 talked about that we know a big rock will hit as an asteroid may his. 677 00:57:46,599 --> 00:57:51,039 We know that what we're doing through the atmosphere because of our technology and 678 00:57:51,079 --> 00:57:54,039 not having the wisdom. So none of this stuff is new. It's like 679 00:57:54,119 --> 00:58:01,199 a cycle. It's happened before. Every culture has a flood story. Plato 680 00:58:01,320 --> 00:58:07,519 talks about Atlantis. He learned from Atlantis from who? From Solon, who 681 00:58:07,639 --> 00:58:10,800 was in Egypt, Babylonian Greek priest. Where did he get it from? 682 00:58:10,960 --> 00:58:16,679 He got it from Egypt, an Egyptian high priest who talked about Atlantis and 683 00:58:16,719 --> 00:58:21,280 of course there was little mirror before that. Why would these people lie about 684 00:58:21,320 --> 00:58:28,039 that? And these were advanced civilizations with using crystals and energy and and and 685 00:58:28,159 --> 00:58:35,400 had flying machines. Why would our ancestors lie about this? And here we 686 00:58:35,440 --> 00:58:37,159 are, this is new. That's why I say there's no new thought, 687 00:58:38,000 --> 00:58:42,760 there's no new age. This has been going on. Did you see yesterday 688 00:58:43,199 --> 00:58:47,480 or it was a day before that. We they're finding out that, uh, 689 00:58:47,519 --> 00:58:54,440 the Egyptians operated on cancer. Where did they get that sophistication? From 690 00:58:54,639 --> 00:59:00,880 National Geographic? It's beending social media the past two days. There's a skull 691 00:59:00,000 --> 00:59:05,280 with a hole in it? No, how could they do that? Operating 692 00:59:06,000 --> 00:59:15,800 surgery on cancer patients? Where did they learn that? We think we're new, 693 00:59:17,480 --> 00:59:22,840 we think we're innovative. We're not. People were doing this before we 694 00:59:22,840 --> 00:59:28,639 were here, before we became so clever. Maybe we're too clever for ourselves 695 00:59:28,719 --> 00:59:35,039 now. Yeah. So I've never heard you speak on this specifically, but 696 00:59:35,119 --> 00:59:40,639 I'm sure you're aware of it. Oh Asspy, are you familiar with that 697 00:59:40,679 --> 00:59:51,239 book? John Blue new Brow no channeled documents from the eighteen hundreds. Supposedly 698 00:59:51,320 --> 00:59:57,920 he was in contact with highly evolved angelic beans. Alkay channeled this on a 699 00:59:57,960 --> 01:00:00,679 typewriter, a little bit like I guess you could say, of course in 700 01:00:00,800 --> 01:00:07,119 miracles, yes, this just goes back aways. Yeah, yeah, you 701 01:00:07,159 --> 01:00:10,840 know, I will say this. I don't know what to say about it. 702 01:00:12,199 --> 01:00:16,119 I will say this. When I was younger, I was very much 703 01:00:16,159 --> 01:00:22,039 in the channel stuff I just named Seth Mark of course in miracles, the 704 01:00:22,079 --> 01:00:35,880 Michael teachings, and I believe that people contact a greater reality. I that's 705 01:00:35,920 --> 01:00:39,639 all really I can say. I know that a lot of stuff gets filtered 706 01:00:39,920 --> 01:00:44,079 because you have to go through the personality of the channel. So if you're 707 01:00:44,119 --> 01:00:47,480 asking me, do I believe that this validity to some channel material, I 708 01:00:47,519 --> 01:00:54,159 will say unequivocally yes. But I also know I'm cautious now more nowadays, 709 01:00:55,000 --> 01:01:01,559 you know. So that's that's the only way I can I can answer that. 710 01:01:02,400 --> 01:01:07,840 I'm sure that you know, obviously this person was channeling truths and stuff 711 01:01:08,199 --> 01:01:15,000 centuries ago that you know, profound, maybe ahead of his time. I 712 01:01:15,079 --> 01:01:21,719 believe that can happen, but I also am more I'm not skeptical, but 713 01:01:21,800 --> 01:01:25,760 I'm more vigilant about what I accept. Well, you know what's interesting about 714 01:01:25,760 --> 01:01:31,800 that is that if you look at George Hunt Williamson that supposedly was channeling the 715 01:01:31,840 --> 01:01:38,039 Space Brothers, George van Tassel more recently the Law of One the Raw Materials, 716 01:01:39,719 --> 01:01:45,559 and uh, anyway, sometimes you'll find that people that didn't know each 717 01:01:45,559 --> 01:01:50,159 other and didn't really have any contact, they would be channeling some of the 718 01:01:50,159 --> 01:01:53,239 same in quotes, entities, some of the same names. And also it's 719 01:01:53,280 --> 01:01:58,920 some of the same messages. In yes, the the Orion group were the 720 01:01:58,960 --> 01:02:02,920 bad guys, the Polad with the good guys, and Maldeck was the planet 721 01:02:02,920 --> 01:02:07,000 that became the asteroid Bill. So I just u again, I'm very skeptical 722 01:02:07,039 --> 01:02:12,360 about uh, some of that stuff maybe just be coming out of the collective 723 01:02:12,440 --> 01:02:15,920 unconscious. It might just be nonsense. But yeah, it's it's fascinating. 724 01:02:16,639 --> 01:02:23,159 That's the way I was wondering, because he talks a lot about extraterrestrials coming 725 01:02:23,199 --> 01:02:28,880 here to mate with humans to advance the civilization is one of the themes. 726 01:02:28,880 --> 01:02:30,880 And yeah, yeah, and I'm sure there's true. Well, we know 727 01:02:31,039 --> 01:02:36,280 you look at the Book of BeO. Yeah, yeah, so I haven't 728 01:02:36,320 --> 01:02:42,880 read it. I'm sure from you guys, I can into it that it's 729 01:02:42,880 --> 01:02:49,400 some information that's pertinent and relevant and at the same time, I I whereas 730 01:02:49,440 --> 01:02:53,639 before I wasn't as discerning. I'm a little born now. Yeah, so 731 01:02:53,760 --> 01:03:00,159 new Brow was one of my my ancestors distantly. Oh that's why it's kind 732 01:03:00,159 --> 01:03:06,400 of personal to me. Susie right now is confessing about her ancestors. Yes, 733 01:03:07,199 --> 01:03:08,880 I love it. I love it. You know. John Keel that 734 01:03:08,960 --> 01:03:14,039 wrote the Mockman prophecies and studied the Mockman, he was in contact with several 735 01:03:14,079 --> 01:03:19,320 individuals that he called silent contact, these because they firmly believed they were in 736 01:03:19,400 --> 01:03:23,559 contact with these other intelligences. Yeah, I didn't care if if anybody believed 737 01:03:23,559 --> 01:03:27,679 them or not. They were they would get these predictions, some would come 738 01:03:27,760 --> 01:03:31,719 true. And but later on Keel became came to believe that a lot of 739 01:03:31,719 --> 01:03:37,840 the stuff was just sort of the trickster or nonsense. It wasn't really terribly 740 01:03:37,960 --> 01:03:43,480 valid, but it's it's something that it's again that whole area I find fascinating, 741 01:03:43,480 --> 01:03:47,719 and I think people should approach with caution exactly, but and at the 742 01:03:47,760 --> 01:03:52,679 same time with an open mind. Yes, especially if you're hearing the same 743 01:03:52,760 --> 01:03:57,360 material you know over and over. You know where there's where there's fire, 744 01:03:57,400 --> 01:04:02,760 there's smoke, where there's smoke this fire, right, I agree. Yeah. 745 01:04:02,880 --> 01:04:09,840 I'm always asking people that have contact with anything non human, like, 746 01:04:09,880 --> 01:04:14,159 how do you know? How do you trust something? And everyone just says, 747 01:04:14,280 --> 01:04:16,440 you just know, just like when you meet someone new, you kind 748 01:04:16,480 --> 01:04:21,679 of can get a sense of not all the time, but you know, 749 01:04:23,000 --> 01:04:27,480 is this person, is this my people or is this person you know, 750 01:04:27,599 --> 01:04:33,519 maybe not to be trusted feeling? Yeah, you know, and sometimes you 751 01:04:33,559 --> 01:04:38,960 get got I mean, like like my sister, who my half sister, 752 01:04:39,320 --> 01:04:43,639 whom I love very dearly. She is an evangelical Christian. She does not 753 01:04:43,840 --> 01:04:46,599 like me or she will not deal with UFO entities or what have you. 754 01:04:47,400 --> 01:04:51,639 And when I say to her, well, Mike, she will say, 755 01:04:51,639 --> 01:04:54,760 Michael, how do you know they're not demons? How do you know? 756 01:04:55,039 --> 01:04:57,639 And I'll say, look at the work I'm doing in the world. Does 757 01:04:57,679 --> 01:05:00,800 it seem evil to you? Does it it seem like I'm doing something wrong 758 01:05:00,840 --> 01:05:03,800 to you? And she'll say, well, Michael, you know, you 759 01:05:03,840 --> 01:05:06,679 know, like she doesn't know this, But it's like the Shakespeare thing and 760 01:05:06,719 --> 01:05:12,199 Hamlet, the devil hath power to assume a pleasing shape, so you can't 761 01:05:12,199 --> 01:05:15,679 win with that. But but but you know, I think in the long 762 01:05:15,760 --> 01:05:19,440 run, like I told you, like like I have. This is one 763 01:05:19,480 --> 01:05:24,760 of the beings who came to see me back in nineteen eighty nine. Now 764 01:05:25,039 --> 01:05:29,000 now he had on a suit I'm using the pronoun e that looked like this. 765 01:05:29,079 --> 01:05:31,360 It was like a jumpsuit. I had the artists who made this put 766 01:05:31,480 --> 01:05:36,800 a robe on. But okay, So they were coming to visit me for 767 01:05:36,840 --> 01:05:41,880 a while, and one time they paralyzed me, well, they would paralyze 768 01:05:41,880 --> 01:05:45,360 me, and they stuck a needle in the back of my head here with 769 01:05:45,400 --> 01:05:50,239 that little hollow where your neck the brainstem is, and it was excruciating, 770 01:05:50,400 --> 01:05:57,119 excruciating, And I told a friend of mine about it, who was an 771 01:05:57,119 --> 01:05:59,679 astrologer, and she was one of the few people I could talk to about 772 01:05:59,679 --> 01:06:01,599 it, and she said, Michael, you got to set some boundaries with 773 01:06:01,639 --> 01:06:04,960 these people. They're probably around you, you may not see them. So 774 01:06:06,440 --> 01:06:11,960 I did, and the next time they came, they paralyzed me the whole 775 01:06:12,000 --> 01:06:14,840 thing. They stuck a needle in top of my crown, but it was 776 01:06:14,880 --> 01:06:17,719 so gentle. It's like when someone takes blood and you don't even feel the 777 01:06:17,760 --> 01:06:27,360 needle going in. I got a point here, so I thought that they 778 01:06:27,440 --> 01:06:32,280 heard me. I thought that because I would talk to them even though I 779 01:06:32,280 --> 01:06:35,559 couldn't see them. I remember my first wife came in the house one day. 780 01:06:35,599 --> 01:06:39,239 She said, I didn't know what to think. She was there when 781 01:06:39,280 --> 01:06:41,519 they came the first time. She said, I saw you in a pair 782 01:06:41,519 --> 01:06:45,000 of shorts, yelling up at the ceiling. I thought you had lost your 783 01:06:45,000 --> 01:06:48,840 mind. My point being, I thought they had heard me, because the 784 01:06:48,880 --> 01:06:54,719 next time they came, it did not hurt. But the other thing is 785 01:06:54,800 --> 01:07:05,360 this, Outside of those two incidentss my life got better. I was more 786 01:07:05,400 --> 01:07:13,679 authentic, I felt smarter. I had the physiological changes. My hair and 787 01:07:13,760 --> 01:07:16,760 nails grew faster. I got by on less sleep. I had so much 788 01:07:16,920 --> 01:07:26,280 energy. But as time went on, you know, psychic ability, intuitive 789 01:07:26,320 --> 01:07:30,920 stuff was more intense. But my heart opened. That's the best way I 790 01:07:30,920 --> 01:07:36,519 could explain it. I felt more intelligent. Now, I'm not saying this 791 01:07:36,599 --> 01:07:43,000 happens with everybody. Because some people have had sperm and oven taken anal pro 792 01:07:43,159 --> 01:07:47,199 I'm not saying that this is universal. I'm just saying for me, and 793 01:07:47,280 --> 01:07:54,360 what their visits did for me was that I had to look at fear. 794 01:07:55,760 --> 01:08:00,480 I had to say to myself, yes, they're bizarre. Looking. This 795 01:08:00,559 --> 01:08:08,320 person came to see me, this frame mantis, this reptilian came. You 796 01:08:08,360 --> 01:08:13,519 know, I'm going over a course of time, this person, this Palladian 797 01:08:13,559 --> 01:08:17,119 person came and gave me a healed of blood clot that I had, you 798 01:08:17,159 --> 01:08:23,439 know, but I had to say, over time, these beings did not 799 01:08:23,640 --> 01:08:27,039 hurt me. I had fear because they could just pop up. I could 800 01:08:27,039 --> 01:08:30,479 go to bed tonight and I could get up to go to the bathroom and 801 01:08:30,520 --> 01:08:33,600 one of them could be there. That shakes you up. But as far 802 01:08:33,680 --> 01:08:39,640 as that and the bizarreness of it, my life got better. And so 803 01:08:39,680 --> 01:08:44,760 it made me look at other places where I let fear hold me back. 804 01:08:45,720 --> 01:08:47,520 I'm not saying I shouldn't have been afraid of them. Look at them. 805 01:08:49,000 --> 01:08:56,479 Okay, these people look bizarre. But as they came regularly, my fear 806 01:08:56,560 --> 01:09:03,880 lessened, didn't go away. But fear is the enemy in the sense of 807 01:09:06,159 --> 01:09:13,560 I could let fear keep me from being present into what was happening like I 808 01:09:13,560 --> 01:09:17,720 can use it now. Fear even without a et influence, fear of new, 809 01:09:18,680 --> 01:09:25,079 fear of the new, fear of the different, you know, and 810 01:09:25,399 --> 01:09:32,359 I could rationalize that fear away. And so it's always peeling the onion because 811 01:09:33,079 --> 01:09:42,680 this, to me, this it's not about tech. It's about a change 812 01:09:42,680 --> 01:09:49,439 in consciousness. Even without et I got a planet that I'm screwing over, 813 01:09:50,159 --> 01:09:56,960 I got people that I'm screwing over. I have to change my mind about 814 01:09:57,000 --> 01:10:01,159 it in order to interact. Like Einstein said, you can't, you know, 815 01:10:01,399 --> 01:10:06,560 solve today's problems with yesterday's thinking. So I have to have a change 816 01:10:06,560 --> 01:10:12,359 of consciousness, have to have a change of heart. I think that this 817 01:10:12,560 --> 01:10:17,520 is one of the message I have, the only message of these visitations. 818 01:10:19,279 --> 01:10:24,600 So what you're saying is by their fruits, you shall know them. Yes, 819 01:10:25,399 --> 01:10:28,520 yeah, yeah, yeah. And that doesn't mean you don't get deceived, 820 01:10:29,119 --> 01:10:36,680 because people can deceive you. But you got to keep it open heart. 821 01:10:36,840 --> 01:10:42,880 And sometimes you're gonna get God. But you got to keep saying yes 822 01:10:42,960 --> 01:10:45,960 to life. Otherwise you shut down. We'll see they burned me last time. 823 01:10:47,119 --> 01:10:50,840 I'll never get married again. I'll never I'll never open my heart to 824 01:10:50,880 --> 01:10:55,880 anybody else again. I'll never trust that white person again. I'll never trust 825 01:10:55,960 --> 01:11:00,000 this black I'll never trust And you shut down, and and and the thing 826 01:11:00,039 --> 01:11:06,600 about life is keeping your heart open, keeping your heart open. At least 827 01:11:06,640 --> 01:11:13,720 that works for me. Let me be clear that works for me. Can 828 01:11:13,760 --> 01:11:18,840 we just divert from this just a little bit temporarily intermission. I'd love to 829 01:11:18,920 --> 01:11:24,239 know what it's like to uh, to go through the process of being on 830 01:11:24,399 --> 01:11:29,279 Ancient Aliens and the the you know, the film. I'm sure there's people 831 01:11:29,279 --> 01:11:32,560 out there that are saying, ask Michael about Ancient Aliens. So I thought, 832 01:11:32,800 --> 01:11:42,960 okay, I'll tell you it's wonderful. It's wonderful. Okay, So 833 01:11:43,079 --> 01:11:46,920 I'll go back to the first time. But I can remember, Uh, 834 01:11:47,079 --> 01:11:50,920 I got the call they that at that time, they were always shooting in 835 01:11:51,079 --> 01:11:56,039 LA. Sometimes they shoot in New York. Last time they shot in Boston. 836 01:11:56,079 --> 01:11:59,600 I mean, yeah, yeah, So you go, they fly you 837 01:11:59,640 --> 01:12:02,319 out, you know, they fly you out. I was going out to 838 01:12:02,439 --> 01:12:10,479 LA and you you know, at that time someone would pick you up. 839 01:12:10,520 --> 01:12:14,119 But you know, you get to this, You get to your hotel in 840 01:12:14,319 --> 01:12:17,279 La. I mean, I love La. So so you know, and 841 01:12:17,319 --> 01:12:21,680 they take care of your food, they take care of your hotel. Uh, 842 01:12:21,800 --> 01:12:25,279 you just got to show them your receipt. You're parking the whole bit. 843 01:12:26,119 --> 01:12:30,600 And and then you get on the set and and and you know, 844 01:12:30,039 --> 01:12:34,720 you have your little dressing rooms and what have you. What the grueling part 845 01:12:34,840 --> 01:12:41,159 is this. They give you a list of questions, like a lot of 846 01:12:41,239 --> 01:12:46,520 questions, and if you're doing more than one episode, yeah, okay, 847 01:12:47,279 --> 01:12:50,640 and you gotta you know, they'll they you know, they'll walk you through. 848 01:12:51,119 --> 01:12:54,680 We're going to talk about this today, Michael. We're going to talk 849 01:12:54,680 --> 01:13:00,039 about the Teachers, and it's maybe it's about antiquity, whether it's whether it's 850 01:13:00,840 --> 01:13:04,000 up till the very day. You got to go and research that and you 851 01:13:04,079 --> 01:13:10,720 got to have those answers for it. And they do say if there's something 852 01:13:10,800 --> 01:13:14,720 that you don't you don't feel comfortable with, just say so. And when 853 01:13:14,720 --> 01:13:16,159 we've on. But you know, the human ego because I want to know 854 01:13:16,199 --> 01:13:18,279 about all of it. I don't want to say no, you know, 855 01:13:18,840 --> 01:13:21,840 because will they not hire me again or whatever. So you want to do 856 01:13:21,880 --> 01:13:28,359 a good job and so, but it's very relaxed and so you know, 857 01:13:28,600 --> 01:13:31,960 like like for those two shows, the Teaching and the Chosen One show gave 858 01:13:32,000 --> 01:13:35,600 me ten or twelve questions I had to know the answers to and one was 859 01:13:35,640 --> 01:13:42,760 like twenty twenty five and so and so, you know, you just study 860 01:13:42,800 --> 01:13:45,560 them. But it's an area of your expertise. It wasn't like, oh 861 01:13:45,560 --> 01:13:49,279 my god, this is out of the blue. So you get there and 862 01:13:49,319 --> 01:13:54,039 you get on the set. When I was there before, Giorgio was there 863 01:13:54,079 --> 01:14:00,359 a lot, but not so much anymore. Nick Redfern, you know, 864 01:14:00,640 --> 01:14:03,479 Eric would be there. You know, they'd be there and they talk differendly 865 01:14:03,560 --> 01:14:12,359 you talk, and so you're on the set and you have it usually takes 866 01:14:12,359 --> 01:14:15,960 about three four hours, about three and a half hours, and you know 867 01:14:15,159 --> 01:14:18,279 you're doing a lot of stuff, but they cut it down by the time 868 01:14:18,319 --> 01:14:21,800 you're on the show. Things are edited out and whatever, like we talked 869 01:14:21,840 --> 01:14:30,560 about with with with Bill Shatner, and you know, it's just a very 870 01:14:30,640 --> 01:14:36,960 professional, calm working atmosphere. You know, this food around. If you 871 01:14:38,000 --> 01:14:40,960 need food, they give you some water, You get your little makeup on, 872 01:14:41,199 --> 01:14:45,439 and they go over it. You know, they'll say which ones do 873 01:14:45,479 --> 01:14:48,279 you want to do first? And you just say and you'll do it, 874 01:14:48,680 --> 01:14:54,079 and they tell you repeat the question, you know, don't just answer the 875 01:14:54,159 --> 01:14:56,800 question. Like someone will say, what's it like working on the show? 876 01:14:57,159 --> 01:14:59,640 Yeah, you know, let me tell you what it's like working on the 877 01:14:59,680 --> 01:15:03,079 show. You know, you repeat the question and they'll go back and they 878 01:15:03,119 --> 01:15:08,159 may say, can you elaborate on that a little more? Or they sometimes 879 01:15:08,399 --> 01:15:12,439 the questions you get by answering one, you've answered the other two, so 880 01:15:12,560 --> 01:15:15,079 that's always nice, so you may elaborate on that at the end of the 881 01:15:15,159 --> 01:15:18,720 day. One time I was there and they said, you got any friends 882 01:15:18,720 --> 01:15:20,760 in New York? I said, yeah, I used to live here. 883 01:15:21,119 --> 01:15:26,960 Well, because if you go late, why don't you say you want to 884 01:15:27,000 --> 01:15:29,560 stay over a night? And I say, yeah, and stay over. 885 01:15:29,600 --> 01:15:33,880 We'll get you out the next day. That kind of stuff, and you 886 01:15:33,880 --> 01:15:36,760 know, they will get back to you about they used to not do that, 887 01:15:36,840 --> 01:15:40,600 but they will get back to you about when the dates are, or 888 01:15:40,640 --> 01:15:43,319 they'll call you, like, I know this is coming up, hasn't come 889 01:15:43,399 --> 01:15:45,840 up yet, So someone will call me and say that the episodes you shot 890 01:15:46,239 --> 01:15:49,439 will be airing blah blah blah blah, and you know, you just like 891 01:15:49,600 --> 01:15:54,880 they give your ride to the airport again. You know, they pay for 892 01:15:54,960 --> 01:15:58,800 your meals and everything, and you just give them a receipt and they do 893 01:15:58,920 --> 01:16:01,760 that each time. Some times it will be New York, sometimes it'll be 894 01:16:01,920 --> 01:16:08,079 La I was just in Boston for the second time, and it's just amazing 895 01:16:08,239 --> 01:16:14,000 because people watch the show, my book sales go up, so people are 896 01:16:14,039 --> 01:16:17,479 watching the show and you will get emails and people will ask you questions about 897 01:16:17,520 --> 01:16:27,359 that. So they've been good to me and it has definitely got me the 898 01:16:27,359 --> 01:16:30,760 the visibility that I have now and I do other shows, you know, 899 01:16:30,800 --> 01:16:34,640 because they they're with the History Channel. I did something with Larry Fishburn on 900 01:16:35,680 --> 01:16:40,920 America's Greatest you know, Mysteries, that kind of stuff. So it kind 901 01:16:40,920 --> 01:16:45,479 of snowballs and I'm anxious to see what this is going to look like and 902 01:16:46,079 --> 01:16:51,439 this new show and the Discovery Channel. But that's a day on ancient aliens. 903 01:16:51,479 --> 01:16:55,520 A lot of times they're not there now so you don't see them. 904 01:16:55,920 --> 01:16:59,359 But at the beginning, you know, you'd have lunch with them and talk, 905 01:16:59,520 --> 01:17:03,079 but they dagger you. So I'll do my shooting and then maybe Georgio, 906 01:17:03,159 --> 01:17:09,479 they've already been there. So then when I'm leaving the next maybe Kathleen 907 01:17:09,479 --> 01:17:13,399 Martin. Martin's coming on that. We just matter of fact, we bumped 908 01:17:13,399 --> 01:17:16,960 into each other in Boston when I was leaving, she was coming in to 909 01:17:17,039 --> 01:17:21,000 do her episode. So that's what it's like working on the show. They're 910 01:17:21,079 --> 01:17:27,159 very professional, they're very kind, they're very you know it's not a lot 911 01:17:27,199 --> 01:17:30,239 of ego. Well that's good, you know. I think I confessed this 912 01:17:30,319 --> 01:17:34,800 to you before. But originally I was an ancient alien snob. I would 913 01:17:34,800 --> 01:17:41,840 not watch it because the ancient alien idea had had such a bad reputation back 914 01:17:42,279 --> 01:17:45,880 a couple of decades ago. But I have grown to love the show. 915 01:17:45,239 --> 01:17:50,479 I don't obviously agree with everything that's said, but nobody does. But now 916 01:17:50,520 --> 01:17:57,000 you've been to some of the big events the ancient alien alience, I haven't. 917 01:17:57,479 --> 01:18:00,359 No, I haven't, Stephen. To be honest with you, I 918 01:18:00,399 --> 01:18:03,319 don't watch the show. And part of that's from being an actor. I 919 01:18:03,319 --> 01:18:06,000 mean I did it first, don't get me wrong, but you know, 920 01:18:06,119 --> 01:18:09,960 my schedule is so busy. Sometimes it's on. Now, I could stream 921 01:18:09,960 --> 01:18:13,439 it and watch it, but I watched it all the time, and then 922 01:18:13,640 --> 01:18:17,319 you know, my schedule got busy. But and probably it's like being in 923 01:18:17,479 --> 01:18:20,399 when I was an actor. You know, you kind of just do the 924 01:18:20,439 --> 01:18:29,359 gig, get paid, and it's on. But I I think with you, 925 01:18:29,960 --> 01:18:32,560 yes, you don't agree with everything, but again I think what the 926 01:18:32,640 --> 01:18:38,039 show has done, it's obviously touched people. I mean what they're in their 927 01:18:38,039 --> 01:18:45,039 eighteenth, twentieth season. But it's it has stretched people's minds and it's got 928 01:18:45,079 --> 01:18:50,600 them to think outside the boxes around religion, around archaeology, around history, 929 01:18:50,960 --> 01:18:57,079 our human origins, and so it's that's why it's so popular. I mean, 930 01:18:57,479 --> 01:19:00,920 you can be as skeptical as you want, but how theyll that they 931 01:19:00,960 --> 01:19:05,840 moved those stones? You know exactly exactly and and and you know, no 932 01:19:05,880 --> 01:19:11,880 one's been able to answer that. But with the ancient alien hypothesis, it 933 01:19:11,960 --> 01:19:15,960 makes sense. It makes sense now. I think I think now you can 934 01:19:15,000 --> 01:19:17,640 correct me if I'm wrong. I think you can test to me that you 935 01:19:17,800 --> 01:19:23,279 have shared an adult beverage or too with Eric von Danikin. Is that correct? 936 01:19:24,880 --> 01:19:26,840 Yeah, Okay, you can deny it if you want, that's all 937 01:19:26,880 --> 01:19:31,199 right. No, no, no, And he is a partier. I 938 01:19:31,479 --> 01:19:35,880 was. I was at the Edgar casey Uh. That was when I first 939 01:19:35,880 --> 01:19:39,880 started out. I was starting to get a little name for myself and they 940 01:19:39,920 --> 01:19:44,920 called me in and uh, Georgio was there. I think I start pictures 941 01:19:44,920 --> 01:19:48,479 from that. Georgio was there. I was there, Eric was there. 942 01:19:51,279 --> 01:19:56,319 There were a couple other speakers there, and so I went down to the 943 01:19:56,359 --> 01:20:01,840 hotel and downstairs to have a beverage. Eric was there and I said, 944 01:20:01,920 --> 01:20:06,159 I know you, and he says, I know you. And we were 945 01:20:06,239 --> 01:20:15,159 putting away some alcohol and I had to leave. I may have had three 946 01:20:15,239 --> 01:20:18,399 or four glasses of wine. I was done, and so I had to 947 01:20:18,439 --> 01:20:21,960 go upstairs to my room and take a nap. When I came back down, 948 01:20:24,239 --> 01:20:29,199 Eric was still there, still drinking. And then we all got together 949 01:20:29,279 --> 01:20:31,119 with some of the people in the audience and we went outside and sat on 950 01:20:31,159 --> 01:20:35,560 the beach, Virginia Beach. He was still drinking. See, I started 951 01:20:35,600 --> 01:20:40,439 drinking again, but I had taken a nap. It was just wine, 952 01:20:40,760 --> 01:20:45,439 good wine. And Eric was a hoot, and he put it all away. 953 01:20:45,279 --> 01:20:50,159 And he's fun. He's down to earth. He's passionate. And you 954 01:20:50,199 --> 01:20:54,520 know, we stand on the shoulders. We stand on his shoulders, those 955 01:20:54,560 --> 01:20:58,039 of us who are in ancient astronaut history. He was like that. And 956 01:20:58,079 --> 01:21:00,800 the other person for me, because he was a clergy person, not an 957 01:21:00,800 --> 01:21:06,760 experiencer, was doctor Barry Downing, a retired Presbyterian minister, wrote a book 958 01:21:06,760 --> 01:21:13,399 called The Bible and Flying Saucers back in nineteen sixty eight, and we became 959 01:21:13,479 --> 01:21:16,520 friends. I met him once and he's retired now, he's older. Now, 960 01:21:16,760 --> 01:21:19,760 his wife has passed away and that kind of thing. But we have 961 01:21:20,119 --> 01:21:28,119 a different theology because Barry is very much into his Presbyterian theology. As a 962 01:21:28,159 --> 01:21:30,720 matter of fact, he said, you know what, Michael, your problem 963 01:21:30,840 --> 01:21:33,760 is you want your God to be warm and fuzzy. We don't need that. 964 01:21:34,119 --> 01:21:36,760 And I was like, good, warm and fuzzy. I mean, 965 01:21:38,319 --> 01:21:41,720 y always committed genocide. I mean, how can you? But yeah, 966 01:21:41,720 --> 01:21:45,159 but those two god because they were on a religious kick, and that's what 967 01:21:45,880 --> 01:21:51,399 that's what I know best. But you know, Eric was really savage back 968 01:21:51,399 --> 01:21:55,279 in the old days. I mean, he made some mistakes. And I 969 01:21:55,399 --> 01:21:59,720 remember reading the more recent edition of The Chariots of the Gods, big long 970 01:21:59,720 --> 01:22:02,039 innerlection where he said, yeah, it was the exuberance of youth. And 971 01:22:02,119 --> 01:22:05,159 I, you know, I made some mistakes here and corrected them. And 972 01:22:05,600 --> 01:22:10,000 I don't agree with everything Eric says either, But I have to tell you 973 01:22:10,239 --> 01:22:15,039 I love that guy. He is a survivor against all the naysayers and all 974 01:22:15,039 --> 01:22:21,119 the criticism. How many millions of books has this guy sold still out there? 975 01:22:21,279 --> 01:22:26,159 And I have to tell you, I love the way he says extraterrestrials. 976 01:22:30,640 --> 01:22:32,479 I hear you, I hear you well, Listen, we're finding out. 977 01:22:32,640 --> 01:22:38,119 Listen, we're finding out some of the flaws and scisions work. But 978 01:22:38,239 --> 01:22:41,319 you know, like like like Mike Tyson said, and I don't quote Mike 979 01:22:41,359 --> 01:22:45,000 Tyson often, he said, you don't throw away a rose voice because you 980 01:22:45,000 --> 01:22:48,239 got to scratch on it. And you know, they were the ones who 981 01:22:48,359 --> 01:22:54,199 opened us up to this and and and so you know, there's an old 982 01:22:54,239 --> 01:22:58,439 saying, if you want if you want some, if you want new material, 983 01:22:58,560 --> 01:23:01,399 go read an old book. And I must tell you occasionally I go 984 01:23:01,479 --> 01:23:06,520 back over here and I pick up a vent Bondanagan book. I pick up 985 01:23:09,239 --> 01:23:14,119 a few of sitchens books. You can't go wrong because I because there are 986 01:23:14,159 --> 01:23:17,319 a lot of people who use Sitchen's work but don't give them credit for it. 987 01:23:18,159 --> 01:23:21,359 I find out a lot, you know. And so I'm like, 988 01:23:21,439 --> 01:23:26,600 hey, Okay, you've advanced, you've evolved, but you know, go 989 01:23:26,680 --> 01:23:30,239 back to this is the guy who opened the way up for you. And 990 01:23:30,319 --> 01:23:33,760 so I think it's wonderful. I think if they were here now, they'd 991 01:23:33,760 --> 01:23:42,800 be vindicated. And so it's it's just a wonderful time. Yeah, speaking 992 01:23:42,880 --> 01:23:47,640 of books, you have quite a few out there. I have a few 993 01:23:47,640 --> 01:23:55,479 books. Yes, I have My latest book is which is a non extraterrestrial 994 01:23:56,600 --> 01:24:00,800 ideas. It's called Enlightenment. It's a book of sermons on philosophy, on 995 01:24:00,880 --> 01:24:08,319 social justice, race, on religion. UH. And the book before that, 996 01:24:08,359 --> 01:24:13,119 which I really like is Initiation. It's kind of a handbook for experiencers, 997 01:24:13,880 --> 01:24:18,239 for for people who are experiencers, for people who know an experience, 998 01:24:18,319 --> 01:24:23,880 or there's an experiencer and their family, or for people who may think they 999 01:24:23,920 --> 01:24:30,399 are experiences and are not quite sure. But the the biggest seller though uh, 1000 01:24:30,760 --> 01:24:36,119 and people obviously have expanded on this, but but as alien scriptures, 1001 01:24:36,199 --> 01:24:40,720 that's that's the people by that book the most out of all. And then 1002 01:24:40,760 --> 01:24:45,479 I have a book on prayer and healing called the Metaphysics of I have it 1003 01:24:45,560 --> 01:24:49,920 here, Spiritual Healing and the Power of Affirmative Prayer. I wrote a book 1004 01:24:50,039 --> 01:24:58,199 on it's it's a meditation manual with with with comments and lessons from atheists from 1005 01:24:58,439 --> 01:25:02,159 It's called God Consciousness. I should put God in quotes, but it's about 1006 01:25:02,640 --> 01:25:06,640 it's a meditation manual lesson for each day. At that time, I didn't 1007 01:25:06,640 --> 01:25:12,840 want to just be known as the UFO Minister, so I figured i'd rebel 1008 01:25:13,039 --> 01:25:15,479 and so I wrote those two books, but I'm still known as the UFO 1009 01:25:15,560 --> 01:25:23,479 Minister. But I'm more comfortable with it now. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 1010 01:25:24,279 --> 01:25:27,880 I enjoyed Initiation. Thank you, Thank you, Steve. That's one 1011 01:25:27,880 --> 01:25:30,560 of my favorites. Yeah. Maybe I'll revise it and add some stuff to 1012 01:25:30,600 --> 01:25:36,399 it. But it's a basic kind of handbook for folks because it's hard to 1013 01:25:36,520 --> 01:25:41,199 navigate and if you don't have anybody to talk to about this, then many 1014 01:25:41,239 --> 01:25:45,720 people don't. And there's data that shows that a lot of couples break up, 1015 01:25:45,800 --> 01:25:49,520 a lot of marriages break up if one person's having this experience and the 1016 01:25:49,560 --> 01:25:54,199 other person can't get to it or is hard because you're growing and evolving. 1017 01:25:54,640 --> 01:25:58,800 So I wanted to put that out there, but I find that again, 1018 01:26:00,039 --> 01:26:02,640 you know, I do a lot of counseling with people who are experiences and 1019 01:26:02,680 --> 01:26:09,720 people aren't. It helps to be an experiencer, but being non judgmental, 1020 01:26:11,000 --> 01:26:14,840 just listening, not trying to fix, and let people tell their story. 1021 01:26:15,079 --> 01:26:19,000 It's the gift that keeps on giving and and and what you guys are doing 1022 01:26:19,039 --> 01:26:23,520 as well. Uh, you know, it's a ministry you got. I 1023 01:26:23,520 --> 01:26:25,760 mean, you don't have to look at it that way. I'm just it's 1024 01:26:25,800 --> 01:26:32,520 a ministry. You're empowering people, giving them information. It's healing, and 1025 01:26:32,560 --> 01:26:38,159 it's really on the book. You make a distinction between contact, these abductees 1026 01:26:38,199 --> 01:26:44,319 and experiencers. Yeah, you know, and then people's self identify as such. 1027 01:26:44,600 --> 01:26:46,920 I do not think I was abducted in the sense now when I when 1028 01:26:46,960 --> 01:26:50,800 I was regressed. Yes, I didn't know that the time I was taken 1029 01:26:50,840 --> 01:26:56,640 out of my room. And there are some people who have been abducted, 1030 01:26:56,640 --> 01:27:00,880 and but you know, work with a lot of those people. A contactease 1031 01:27:00,960 --> 01:27:04,479 was off of the old nineteen fifties. Oh sure, yeah, you know. 1032 01:27:04,560 --> 01:27:08,439 I love those stories, even though they might be a little fanciful. 1033 01:27:08,800 --> 01:27:14,119 I love to go back to those, uh of yesteryear. And have you 1034 01:27:14,159 --> 01:27:18,880 ever ever ever read the Flying Saucer Pilgrimage by the Brians. They were written 1035 01:27:18,960 --> 01:27:24,399 in the sixties, I think, uh, maybe fifties. They had a 1036 01:27:24,800 --> 01:27:29,640 uf A Flying Saucer group in Detroit and they heard about this guy, Georgia 1037 01:27:29,720 --> 01:27:32,960 Damski. So they started flying people in from all over, people like a 1038 01:27:33,079 --> 01:27:39,359 Damski, Edward Rupeelt and so forth. But then they made a pilgrimage across 1039 01:27:39,399 --> 01:27:43,920 the US and they met all these different contact ees. And again, I 1040 01:27:43,920 --> 01:27:48,720 don't care if you think it's a charlatanism or folklore or or whatever. It 1041 01:27:48,920 --> 01:27:53,800 is a fascinating book. The Flying Saucer Pilgrimage. I may, I may 1042 01:27:53,800 --> 01:27:58,159 see if I can get that. You have to be careful third party sellers. 1043 01:27:58,239 --> 01:28:00,720 They might jack the price up a little bit. Oh, of course 1044 01:28:00,760 --> 01:28:02,960 they will. Yeah. Yeah, I have a friend who's in a Dampski 1045 01:28:03,039 --> 01:28:09,039 scholar he's in Amsterdam. He's just dedicated. He's an academic. His name 1046 01:28:09,119 --> 01:28:13,399 is Gerard. I got some of his books. Yeah, me too, 1047 01:28:13,479 --> 01:28:15,640 Me too. He's a good friend of mine. A matter of fact, 1048 01:28:15,680 --> 01:28:17,199 I'm gonna be my wife and I are going to go see him in Amsterdam 1049 01:28:17,760 --> 01:28:23,560 in August. But yeah, because I've never been. But yeah, you 1050 01:28:23,600 --> 01:28:28,119 know, I I think those folks open the door. I really do. 1051 01:28:28,239 --> 01:28:31,640 We all stand on the shoulders of other people, and I mean even some 1052 01:28:31,760 --> 01:28:35,079 of Billy Meyer. I know. I think Billy started out on the good 1053 01:28:35,079 --> 01:28:39,159 foot and just you know, it's hard, you know, you're getting all 1054 01:28:39,199 --> 01:28:43,640 this fame and everything, but I think he started out telling the truth about 1055 01:28:43,640 --> 01:28:46,920 some things. Yeah, I do, I do believe in the beginning, 1056 01:28:48,359 --> 01:29:00,359 But I will say that they are vindicated in a lot of ways. You 1057 01:29:00,399 --> 01:29:04,399 know, we talk about the tic TAC videos and stuff like that, but 1058 01:29:04,760 --> 01:29:10,680 you know, you know what about the food fighters backing the World War Two? 1059 01:29:11,239 --> 01:29:15,960 You know, everything old is new again, and you know, just 1060 01:29:15,039 --> 01:29:19,119 trying to what are these beings? You know, these what are these craft? 1061 01:29:19,239 --> 01:29:23,520 What's going on? And I think that we can learn a lot. 1062 01:29:23,800 --> 01:29:26,720 We don't have to live in the past, but we can learn a lot 1063 01:29:26,520 --> 01:29:30,720 by going back and looking at some of the things these beings were talking, 1064 01:29:30,920 --> 01:29:33,520 these people were talking about, and that kind of thing, and it can 1065 01:29:33,600 --> 01:29:40,960 help us as we move into the future. The development the manifestations of these 1066 01:29:41,560 --> 01:29:46,560 lights and objects over the lads have changed somewhat, but even though they've changed, 1067 01:29:46,760 --> 01:29:49,720 we still get some of the old stuff. You know, exactly exactly. 1068 01:29:49,960 --> 01:29:54,439 I'm thinking that when you talked about the contact these or Fio ANGELUSI, 1069 01:29:54,760 --> 01:29:59,319 who had some pretty claims, he went into a fugue or a trance for 1070 01:29:59,479 --> 01:30:01,319 a week. They thought he was going to die, and when he came 1071 01:30:01,359 --> 01:30:05,039 out of it, he was talking about these wonderful visits with the space brothers, 1072 01:30:05,359 --> 01:30:11,000 very similar to uh Anne Jeffreys of the sixteen hundreds, who would who 1073 01:30:11,039 --> 01:30:15,840 would go into a trance and have these wonderful experiences with the little people, 1074 01:30:15,079 --> 01:30:19,560 with the elementals. But she didn't leave her bedroom. So there's something. 1075 01:30:19,600 --> 01:30:25,479 And then you've got that that parallel there between elements of folklore in some modern 1076 01:30:25,520 --> 01:30:28,439 day UFOs. Yes, exactly what was the other one? I bought? 1077 01:30:28,439 --> 01:30:31,119 But I haven't the Commonwealth? The secret Commonwealth? Oh yes, right, 1078 01:30:31,199 --> 01:30:35,720 yes, yeah, yeah about that that that that Presby was your presbyterial episcopalian, 1079 01:30:36,159 --> 01:30:42,920 yes, his name, But there was also very faith in Celtic countries. 1080 01:30:43,000 --> 01:30:49,920 By Yeah. Oh he was a theosophist, Edward Wentz WinCE and he 1081 01:30:50,159 --> 01:30:56,079 was, I mean, they're they're saying the same thing that's going on now, 1082 01:30:56,760 --> 01:31:00,439 Yes exactly, you know, so so and that's I think we have 1083 01:31:00,600 --> 01:31:04,279 to we have to do the research. But be reminded that you know, 1084 01:31:04,760 --> 01:31:10,720 this is not new, that this has been going on again. The Bible, 1085 01:31:11,000 --> 01:31:15,520 the Jupanashads, the Mesopotamian tests, the Samaran texts are telling us, 1086 01:31:15,600 --> 01:31:21,239 our ancestors are telling us we were invaded, that these beings were here, 1087 01:31:23,560 --> 01:31:28,000 that we were caught in a crossfire. Uh, and this is how we 1088 01:31:28,159 --> 01:31:32,079 dealt with it. And here we are and now how are we going to 1089 01:31:32,119 --> 01:31:34,600 deal with it? Is the question, like you said, if you want 1090 01:31:34,600 --> 01:31:36,760 to learn something new, pick up an old book. Yeah, you want 1091 01:31:36,760 --> 01:31:40,319 to, you want to. I think I can say that, Susie and 1092 01:31:40,359 --> 01:31:43,119 I have a hell of a lot of old books. And I'm sure you 1093 01:31:43,239 --> 01:31:45,680 do too. Oh, I do. I do, and I and I 1094 01:31:45,760 --> 01:31:49,319 will go back and refer to them. This has been beautiful, gang, 1095 01:31:50,760 --> 01:31:57,439 it has been And if anyone wants or needs to reach out to you, 1096 01:31:58,640 --> 01:32:05,239 what is the best way for them to do that? Michael JS Carter JS 1097 01:32:05,319 --> 01:32:09,960 and Jerry S. S and Sam Carter at gmail dot com. I have 1098 01:32:10,199 --> 01:32:13,760 a fan page, a Facebook page, referend Michael J. Carter. My 1099 01:32:15,600 --> 01:32:21,640 My website is Michaeljscarter dot com. And if they write me, I will 1100 01:32:23,600 --> 01:32:30,880 respond. I will respond, well, Susie, thank you for inviting me 1101 01:32:30,960 --> 01:32:34,600 on the show. And Michael, always a pleasure. Guys. I hope 1102 01:32:34,600 --> 01:32:41,159 you enjoy your summer, Susie, you guys, Steve, if you need 1103 01:32:41,279 --> 01:32:44,920 me, call me. We could do it again. That we definitely will. 1104 01:32:45,039 --> 01:32:48,159 Absolutely. Yeah, we could get more into the Bible and I could 1105 01:32:48,199 --> 01:32:53,520 give you some verses and stuff like that Old and New Testament and talk about 1106 01:32:53,640 --> 01:33:00,720 Jesus and his relationship with Yahweh or lack of one, that kind of thing, 1107 01:33:00,039 --> 01:33:04,239 and perhaps we should all write the ancient aliens people and say we need 1108 01:33:04,359 --> 01:33:09,199 more. Michael, Yep, you know what. I would love it if 1109 01:33:09,239 --> 01:33:13,279 you did that, very good. I would love it. I would love 1110 01:33:13,319 --> 01:33:18,279 it. I think they would too, Yes, absolutely, yeah, please 1111 01:33:18,439 --> 01:33:23,680 do that, and let's be in touch and enjoy the rest of this evening. 1112 01:33:24,800 --> 01:33:30,920 And I'm wishing you all many blessings and a gentle piece. Thank you, 1113 01:33:31,039 --> 01:33:33,520 Michael, thank you very much, thank you,