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Earlier today, Attorney General Dana Nessel
was joined by officials from the Department of

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Justice and the FBI to announce state
and federal charges against thirteen members of two

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militia groups who were preparing to kidnap
and possibly kill me. We're grateful to

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the FBI and law enforcement discover these
domestic terrorrism and stopped them. You know,

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it's a sort of behavior you might
expect from issis. You might see

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a number that high in a sprawling
narcotics conspiracy that stretches from coast to coast

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and beyond. That's a pretty high
number in a case like this. It

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really reflects I think how deeply the
government has been diving into this investigation to

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try to make these cases. It
was just literally a bunch of working class

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guys who on the weekend got together
and you know, exercise their rights and

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trained with firearms. So the FBI
says, hey, we'll just pay for

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everything. Who arranged the meeting.
The FBI's paid Provocket's work. Robison was

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getting paid to set this stuff up. So they make the route, accept

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the locations, they make the plan, they do everything, and Adam's literally

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just sitting in the basement of the
vacuum repair shops, smoking broods all day.

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You're gonna hear my client was the
leader of this group, but I

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think you're also gonna hear that there
was an election held to identify the leader.

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Instant. How can I frame a
social situation to make this naive person

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appear to be a dangerous, violent
terrorist. The whole goal was for the

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FBI to spend millions of dollars to
create militia groups, record them saying offensive

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stuff, and then frame them in
a fake conspiracy. As you can see,

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K and K and kfilm dot Com
is where you can find that trailer

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and where you'll eventually be able to
find this documentary that our guest, Christina

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is working on. Thank you for
joining us, Christina, Thank you for

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having me. I appreciate it.
Well, it's good to have you on.

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We talked a couple of months ago, and I was surprised to see

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that our interview is not playing on
Rumble. I don't know what's happening with

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that, but that could be a
technical issue. I don't know, but

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we do have it on other platforms. But I wanted to get an update

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as to what happened with Bank of
America and your d banking. Let's talk

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about there's been some changes in some
of these cases that are there and because

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they're still ongoing, and so we've
had some people that have been acquitted,

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but some others are in jail,
and there's other cases you know, that

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are being appealed, and so we'll
do an update on that, and then

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we'll get an update on your documentary. But let's talk first about the the

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banking at Bank of America. Tell
us what the current status is of that.

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Well, it's just a mess.
I don't even know what the current

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status of it is because I keep
getting conflicting information from them. But what

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happened was like five days ago,
I noticed my bank card stopped working.

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So like, nobody called me.
The bank did not reach out to me.

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Nobody told me they were going to
be terminating the account. They just

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did it. And so you like, I noticed my bank card wasn't working.

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So then I tried to log into
my online banking and I could not

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log in through mobile banking. It
said my user name didn't exist, and

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then it was like prompting me to
create a new one, but that wasn't

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working either. And I'm like,
what is going on? So I'm thinking

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there's a technical glitch or something.
So I actually went into my physical branch

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location to ask them what was going
on, to see if they could figure

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it out. And the girl at
the front desk told me that the risk

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department had decided to sever the business
relationship and she didn't know why. And

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of course, like the I don't
blame the bank employees, like, I

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don't think that woman in that location
knew anything about this. These decisions are

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obviously being made by higher ups at
the bank. So she puts me in

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this cubicle and says, here's a
phone, and puts me on the phone

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with the risk department. And I'm
trying to get some kind of answers because

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I've had this account for almost ten
years. I've never had any issues with

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the account with Bank of America before, so I'm trying to ask them,

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like, well, why was this
decision made? How come nobody called me?

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You know, what's the problem.
They wouldn't tell me. They were

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saying these canned responses that are like, you know, Bank of America's terms

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of service say that we reserve the
right to sever the business relationship at any

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you know time without reason or notice. So they just say you agree to

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the terms of service, and so
they don't have to give you a reason.

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And I said, okay, well, can you tell me what the

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current balance of my account is?
Because I had deposited checks. That's the

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other thing. I was physically in
the bank a few days ago to make

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deposits and nobody said anything to me
then. So I'm waiting for checks to

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clear, and I go, well, can you tell me the balance.

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They would not tell me the balance
of my account. I can't log in

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to see it. I can't see
my transaction history. And so there's like

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no answers, and they made it
clear that they weren't going to give me

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any So I go, okay,
I leave the bank, I go home.

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I call again. I try to
get somebody else from the risk department

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that maybe can give me more answers
on the phone. And I'm on the

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phone with them for five minutes.
They are refusing to tell me any more

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information other than they're terminating the account. And I said, can you transfer

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me to a media liaison, you
know, transfer me to your media department.

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I'm myself am a journalist, so
I'd like to get a quote from

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your media department about your corporate policies
and if this is part of them.

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They told me they couldn't transfer me
to a media department or a media rep,

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which I think is a little bit
ridiculous. So they made clear too

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in that phone call that they were
not going to restore the account and that

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they weren't going to give me any
information. So I had had the presence

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of mine to record when I was
in the branch location talking to the woman

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there. So I put a thread
up on Twitter just telling people warning people,

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if you are in Bank of America, get your money out of the

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banks. It's not safe with these
banks because this is what can happen to

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you, and I posted the video. I had no idea it was going

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to go like viral the way that
it did, and everybody was tagging Bank

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of America online and that must have
stirred something up with Bank of America could

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because the day before yesterday, they
started blowing up my phone in the evening

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and telling me that executives were investigating
and other parties were investigating. And I

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said, well, as law enforcement
investigating, and they said no, And

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then they told me that the account
had been restored, but it's not restored

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as far as I can tell,
I still have no access to online I

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can't log into online banking and it
says my account is locked. So I

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don't believe they restored the account.
I think they told me that because I

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think they wanted the pressure to go
away for them. But as far as

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I'm concerned, as far as I
know right now, I still can't see

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my account. I still can't see
my transaction history, I can't see the

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current amount I have in there,
and I cannot access my funds now.

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They also told me when I was
in the physical branch location and I was

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on the phone with the Wrisk apartment
and asking them, well, you know,

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can you tell me my account bounds? Are saying no, And then

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I said, okay, well,
if you're going to make this decision to

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terminate my account without notice, can
I withdraw the funds I have in there

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now and then just go to a
different bank. They said no, they

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were going to hold the funds hostage
and that I would receive a quote check

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in the mail, but they would
not give me a timeframe of when I

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could expect this. And for people
who are you know, small businesses,

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independent journalists, filmmakers. Every bit
matters and counts, Like I have a

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shoot coming up in less than two
weeks where I have an additional crew member

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I have to pay, like I
am counting on my funds to come through.

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So having something like that happened not
just to me, but to anybody,

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it causes a lot of disruptions.
Another interesting thing about this is that

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they chose to do it right after
I'd publicly announced that I was going to

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be making another trip because a lot
of people have supported the film. You

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know, the whole film has been
done through crowdfunding, so I let people

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know. I give them updates on
the progress and status of like what I'm

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doing. So I told people I
was going to be doing this, and

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they also did it the day before
a bunch of my auto pays go through.

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So I'm getting emails about payments being
declined, which is still happening.

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By the way, they claimed that
they restored the account, I'm still having

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payments being declined. So again this
is not true. Nothing they're telling me

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makes any sense or is adding up
at all. Wow, And so this

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is where we stand today. So
I really this maybe it'll be your next

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documentary, because this is something that's
happening a lot is I talked about it

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yesterday. You know, Nigel Farag, she had that same type of situation

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and they denied that they had debanked
him and everything. But more investigations.

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They eventually got a hold of some
internal emails and it turned out that the

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CEO of a bank that was partially
owned by the government itself had said,

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we're going to shut this down.
And so we see this happening everywhere.

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You know, with Nigel frauds,
We've seen John Eastman also got his account

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at Bank of America shut down.
He was a lawyer for Trump then,

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and he had a second account at
USAA, which is you know for people

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in the military. I can open
up an account there if they've been in

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the military, and they both shut
down his account. We're seeing this d

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banking being used for political purposes increasingly. I myself have had a problem with

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it. I talked about it yesterday
after had the show for five months.

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PayPal shut it down. I spent
two hours on the phone. I wish

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I had recorded it, but you
know, the guy kept digging and digging

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is very helpful. But he said
the only thing I can find is I

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got one message to delete this account
immediately, and they shut down PayPal and

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Vemo immediately. And like you,
I had a lot of people trying to

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send me payments and they were being
declined. It's like, what's going on?

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Where'd you go? That type of
thing? Yeah? Yeah, And

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this is very I mean, this
is incredibly disruptive. It starts with people

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like doctor John Eastman, like you
said, Trump's lawyers, who arguably is

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somebody who's way more important than me, small time filmmaker that most people don't

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know of and haven't heard of.
So if they can do this to me,

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it's just a matter of time before
they start doing it to regular people.

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And that is incredibly concerning because I
happen to be very lucky. I

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am a small independent filmmaker, but
I happen to be well respected and I

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have a lot of peers who know
about me and support my work across the

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board. So I was lucky that
I had enough people that could amplify this

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on social media. If you don't
have the privilege of having a semi public

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platform and you're just a regular person
and they decide to do this to you,

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for your politics. You don't have
recourse, You don't have the ability

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to cause a social media storm to
get executives to call you and tell you

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they're investigating what happened that for normal
people know they would be in a position

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where they couldn't access their money,
they couldn't see their account balance, couldn't

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access their transaction history, and would
be told to wait for a quote check

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in the mail at a time where
inflation is through the roof. Most Americans

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live paycheck to paycheck. In our
one medical emergency away from homelessness. They

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want you to wait for your own
money, and they are not going to

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give you a timeframe of when you
can receive this check in the mail.

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Then there's also the issue of while
you're dealing with being debanked and trying to

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go to another institution, while this
other one is still holding your funds and

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payments are being declined. This also
adversely affects your credit score in the meantime,

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as payments get declined as you're trying
to move to a new institution,

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and maybe you don't have the funds
to open up an account because you're waiting

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for your check in the mail.
So what do you do during that time,

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do you wait however long it takes
for them to send you your money,

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and in the meantime, your bills
are just not being paid or you

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have to pay them with credit cards
and run up credit card debt. This

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is not acceptable in America. Banking
has gotten to the point like social media,

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where it is ubiquitous and it's essentially
like a utility. Now, okay,

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you can't get through your daily life
without having a bank account being able

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to conduct transactions, and so they
cannot get away with doing this, and

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we can't allow it. Also,
an interesting thing, fifteen attorney generals have

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written a letter to Bank of America
demanding explanations for what they're doing with the

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banking conservatives and dissidents. My Attorney
General for my state of Virginia, Jason

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Meyorcis, is one of the attorney
generals who signed on to that. So

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I'm hoping and I'm trying to reach
out to his office because I think that

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if somebody does some digging in Bank
of America's internal communications, they're going to

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find something where my account specifically was
flagged. And I believe it's because of

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the work I'm doing on this documentary. And I think that's what it was.

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Oh absolutely, And we've seen this
before. As I pointed out yesterday,

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Bank of America and turns in terms
of turning over all kinds of information

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about all their customers who are doing
transactions in and around Washington. On January

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the sixth, they had colluded with
the FBI. The FBI can ask them

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for anything they want, and they
take the position, just like they do

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with phone companies, that that's their
data and if they want to voluntarily turn

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it over, the FBI doesn't need
to have a search warrant. And so

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so Bank of America worked with them. And the reason they're doing this is

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because Bank of America, like all
of these two big defailed banks, are

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highly connected to the federal government.
And of course they were creatures of the

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federal government. Bank of America kicked
off all these mergers that created a handful

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of banks that were too big to
fail. Ten years later, at the

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same time that Clinton took out failed
out, the bailed them out, and

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then they want to debank us.
Yeah. I don't think so. Yeah,

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but you know that's the political collusion
that they have there. You know,

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they proved that merger inspite of the
fact they knew they were going to

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wind up with about a half dozen
banks that were too big to fail.

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They approved that, and then they
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investment. That's why these banks could
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of America did, Merrill Lynch and
things like that. They removed the Glass

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Degle Act, they allowed these big
bank mergers. And here's where it's all

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going to go. Christina. This
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this and the politicization of this and
how rapidly this is all seized, this

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is a preview of what's in it
for everybody with CBDC. This is the

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way they're going to do with it
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you wrote this post on social media
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Now everything is locked you're locked out
of everything. And that's what they

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can do. Once they get to
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they can shut everybody down just like
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the immediate things that you're going to
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presumably is in the mail. But
in the meantime, it's a tremendous hassle

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for you. Presumably they'll send it, you know, But if we got

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CBDC, they just shut you down
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nothing you're going to do about it. This is why people need to rise

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up against CBDC. We need to
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big banks like Bank of America.
But this is sup more. It's ultimately

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going, and it's going there for
everybody. The social credit system like we

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see in China, and the d
banking. Absolutely that's I think. What's

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even more concerning is how quickly I
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financial system. I think also,
and this may this is just my speculation,

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so I'll just say that as a
caveat. I believe they're purposely going

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to crash the economy. I think
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allowing the regional bank crisis to get
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when the regional banks fail, they'll
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say, because this happened, now
we need a new system. We need

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the CBDC. We needed a great
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We're going to reset the financial system. That's what it's going to be,

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and that to me is terrifying because
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like you said, shut you down
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Another weird thing they were asking me
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with them is they were asking me
about like checks I had been depositing,

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and they're asking me about my transactions
things that isn't frankly, isn't their business.

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They're like, you know, I
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people send donations from all over the
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But they were asking me, do
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Where you expecting this? Do you
know what this was for? And things

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like this, And I'm going,
what does it matter whose businesses this of

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yours? And they were saying,
well, there could be fraud, not

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on your part, but on other
parts. And it's like, well,

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isn't it your job then to investigate
that and do the due diligence. You're

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the financial institution, not me.
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and it seems to me like they're
looking for an explanation and an excuse

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for what they did to try to
say they didn't debank me, to try

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to lie about what happened and say, oh, no, there could have

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been fraud and it just flagged our
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not a mistake I have. When
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anything to me about potential fraud or
a read a flag on the account.

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No, they just said the risk
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But now the story has changed since
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and conveniently also today or it was
yesterday. Their response is due to those

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fifteen Attorney Generals. They're supposed to
reply to the letter about specifically what they

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are doing dbank conservatives and dissidents,
and the attorney General. We're asking them

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to change their terms of service to
explicitly State Bank of America does not discriminate

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against people for religious or political reasons. I doubt they're going to make that

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change to the terms of service,
So we'll see what happens. But interesting

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timing. Yeah, they have friends
in high places that'll make sure they don't

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get punished for that. I mean, they have been selected as partners and

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all of this stuff, and when
we look at all of this cancel culture

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directed at people for what they say
on social media. You know, they

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can kick you off as social media
and life goes on, and it goes

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on even if you've got a media
company or something like that. It goes

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on without even being on social media. But when they weaponize the financial system

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against us, as they have made
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Chinese style system, that's where it's
going to be untenable for people, and

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that's where the screws really come in. And so that's what we really have

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to be concerned about. Again,
you're at the very front of this.

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Let's give us an update as to
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because there has been some changes in
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who were convicted back in August of
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do have what I will say,
I at least think it's good news.

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So we just had oral arguments on
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in front of a three judge panel
that the oral arguments I believe went well.

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the government got twenty minutes, and

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it was really interesting listening to the
judges on the Sixth Circuit, asked Nils

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Kessler, the prosecutor on the case, about why the government was basically preventing

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all of this exculpatory information from the
defense to be included and one of it

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gets into the statements made by the
informants that were incriminating for them. The

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government was able to keep a number
of informants completely off the stand. One

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of them was their main pedophile informant, Steve Robison. He was a key

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architect of the plot, maybe even
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main informant, Dan Chappell, also
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by preventing him from testifying, he
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defense had requested that the judge compel
him to testify. The judge did not,

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so the government argued that anything that
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and that the jury wouldn't get to
hear it. While all of hit the

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audio that we have and the defense
did by the way they filed emotion it

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was called out of court statements that
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essentially all the things that were exculpatory
in nature for the defense, there's a

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whole list of individual statements, text
messages they wanted to get in in front

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of the jury, and the judge
denied that motion with this bogus blanket hearsay

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ruling across the board, and he
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and Berry, because remember the first
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a mistrial on Adam and Berry,
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there were a number of other issues
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talked about at oral argument, one
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There was a juror on the jury
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allegedly, according to three different witnesses, at his work, when he received

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the jury summons, he said,
oh, I hope I get on the

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Whitmer case. I'm going to hang
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and this was according to three different
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lawyers brought this to Judge Anker's attention. They had their private investigator find other

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coroborating witnesses, and the judge did
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remor hearing where the defense could interrogate
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say this? What the judge did, and this is highly unusual, is

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he brings the juror and the government
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and he says, I don't have
any video of you saying this,

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and you're not under oath, but
there are allegations you said this. Did

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you say it? And the jur
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not explicitly deny it. He goes, I don't remember, I don't think

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I don't think I did well.
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and then just allows him to continue
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things like impropriety, in these trials, especially one that is high stakes like

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this, there's not even supposed to
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the appearance of misconduct by a juror
should have gotten Atcher removed in an alternate

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put in his place. It's also
interesting that that jury went on to be

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the foreman of the jury and that
nice. Yeah. Also other things that

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happened, like one of the guys
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at the retrial of Adam and Barry. The government limited their cross examination by

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the defense to twenty five minutes,
but the prosecutors had an unlimited time with

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Caleb Franks, so they could spend
fifty minutes with their direct and then when

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it went to the defense to cross
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And when it got down to the
last few minutes, Judge Anker starts

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doing a physical countdown. You have
two minutes left? Are you really going

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to waste your time with this crap
line of questioning? And he starts disparaging

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them, and he's only doing this
to the defense, not the government,

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so it's very clear, and he's
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It's clear to the jury who the
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So this is completely inappropriate. This
is not a fair trial. It

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is a kangaroo court. So those
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and the main one though being the
hearsay stuff. Because the judges on

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the Sixth Circuit, the three judge
panel, asked the appeals lawyers for Adam

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and Barry, well, what would
you like us to do? You know,

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they said we'd like a new trial
where we can actually admit evidence and

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call witnesses, you know, like
what you're supposed to have. So they

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go, Okay, that's I think
that's where we're going. The government now

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has two weeks to respond their argument, which was interesting. At oral arguments

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about the hearsay thing, the prosecutor, Nil Kessler, tried to say,

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well, they don't have any specific
statements that they want in, and I'm

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like, what are you talking about. I've got the binder here. They

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filed an entire thing filled with all
of these. These are all statements that

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they wanted to get in. Either
are all things Steve Robison said where he's

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directing a man named Frank Butler from
Virginia to start a quick reaction force.

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He's trying to get him to kidnap
and kill Ralph Northam. That's why we

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have the text message from the handling
agent, Jason Chambers say mission is to

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kill the governor. Specifically, that
was about Ralph Northam and a separate thing

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they were doing while they were doing
the Whitmer hoax, because they really wanted

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it to be a multi state plot, and you'll hear more about that in

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the documentary there. That's amazing.
You know, I've seen this type of

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thing as well, and all the
cases that I've looked at in detail.

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You go back and look at the
Bundy Ranch, for example, the amount

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of exculpatory evidence that they ruled out. And they did that and got some

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convictions early on, but before the
conclusion in terms of coming after m and

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Bundy and some of the others,
they had a whistleblower from the Bureau of

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Land Management, and it's because of
that whistleblower coming forward that they didn't get

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convictions on everything because they ruled out
and excluded all kinds of exculpatory evidence.

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I saw the same thing with ross
Albrick in the Silk Road trial. He's

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serving three consecutive life sentences. He'll
never get parole, and the reason is

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is that after they convicted him,
the prosecutor and when they were doing the

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Senate synk they said, well,
you know, he put out this murder

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for higher thing, and he was
never even indicted, let alone found guilty

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of that. That was just something
was thrown out to the media and they

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kept the fact that there were FBI
agents who were running Silk Road and were

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currently as his trial was going on. These two FBI agents were on trial

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themselves for embezzling money out of Silk
Road. Anything that they applied to him

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could have been applied to the could
have been the FBI agents that were doing

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it, and they kept that away
from the jury, that these guys had

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all the keys to the website and
were embezzling money and we're on trial themselves

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for that type of thing. And
so it is amazing how the justice system

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is rigged. And when you look
at any of this, any of these

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trials, it's just amazing how they
exclude all this evidence so we clearly know

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that somebody is innocent. Yeah,
And I like to remind people we have

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a legal system, not a justice
system. It's a legal system which is

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designed, of course to bring in
money and you know, to punish people

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that the government doesn't like. And
the entire thing is like most of these

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judges are former prosecutors, Like the
government has every advantage even though they have

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almost unlimited resources, and the people
they're up against our borderline indigent for the

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most part, like for the you
know, in the Whitmer case, certainly

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where those guys were reliant on public
defenders and I believe that they didn't think

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it was going to go to trial. I think they believe they were going

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to arrest these guys and do this
shock and awe thing of like you're facing

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life in prison, we've got a
ninety nine percent conviction rate. Blah blah

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blah. You know, they do
these scare tax and a lot of times

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public defenders will work with the prosecutors
in this way because they have a big

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caseload. They encourage often there Clyons
to take plea deals for something they didn't

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do. They'll say, well,
you know, this is what you're up

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against, and they scare you and
they make you think that you cannot win

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going up against this machine. And
that's what it is. It is a

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well oiled machine in place. The
legal system is basically a racket, and

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it's a scam up and down.
It's all about making money. And I

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say this as somebody who worked as
a pairalegal for many years and saw it

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from the inside. You know,
I went to criminal I was in the

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criminal justice program in high school,
and I had this silly idea about like

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the justice system, and that's not
how it is at all. Once you

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really experience it. You go,
oh, this is like a Ponzi scheme.

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Basically, you know, they have
these court appointed guardians ad item they

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do, I have all these things
that they're just there to make money and

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not to help people but destroy them. And as you point out, most

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people won't go to trial. I
don't know whether this is something ninety three

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percent or whatever. Just just plea
out and take a deal because the thing

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is so rigged. And because we
don't have independently thinking juries, you know,

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we don't have dury nullification has talked
to you know, the judges tell

409
00:30:26.039 --> 00:30:29.200
them, no, you can't do
that. Sometimes specifically they find out that

410
00:30:29.240 --> 00:30:32.519
you're doing dury nullification, they will
remove you. They may not remove you,

411
00:30:32.559 --> 00:30:34.559
they may leave you. And as
the foreman, if you said,

412
00:30:34.599 --> 00:30:38.039
I'm out to get this guy,
but if you say something about dury nullification,

413
00:30:38.759 --> 00:30:44.079
they're going to immediately remove you.
So it is very rigged, and

414
00:30:44.119 --> 00:30:48.720
they do come up with all of
these it's like shock and awe, overwhelming

415
00:30:48.759 --> 00:30:52.720
people with all these extra charges and
everything. You have to firmly believe in

416
00:30:52.759 --> 00:30:59.279
your innocence and in order to push
back against this system and actually take it

417
00:30:59.319 --> 00:31:02.519
to trial. I think, yeah, I agree, and I think that

418
00:31:02.599 --> 00:31:07.000
they assume these guys were gonna just
take the plea deals and that this wouldn't

419
00:31:07.039 --> 00:31:10.720
go to trial and none of this
information would come out. I think that's

420
00:31:10.720 --> 00:31:14.640
what they were expecting. I don't
think they ever thought anyone was going to

421
00:31:14.680 --> 00:31:18.000
hear about Steve Robison. You know, well, give us an update as

422
00:31:18.000 --> 00:31:21.759
to what's going on with the documentary. And I'm sure that it's taking a

423
00:31:21.839 --> 00:31:25.240
hit now because of all this stuff, and I'm sure that's the intention the

424
00:31:25.640 --> 00:31:30.359
yeah, exactly, yeah, we
are. You know, as I had

425
00:31:30.400 --> 00:31:34.039
said, we're preparing to do another
shoot. This one is pretty important,

426
00:31:34.039 --> 00:31:40.799
so I'll be traveling back to Michigan. It is just overwhelming on just to

427
00:31:40.839 --> 00:31:45.079
try to do it as such a
small crew. We're a very small crew,

428
00:31:45.160 --> 00:31:49.480
so we're just a few people and
it's very difficult. But where we

429
00:31:49.519 --> 00:31:53.839
stand right now is we've got one
one more shoot. I'm going to be

430
00:31:53.839 --> 00:31:56.400
spending a week in Michigan, going
up and down the state. I have

431
00:31:56.680 --> 00:32:02.960
access for a limited time to certain
important areas of interest from the case that

432
00:32:04.680 --> 00:32:09.720
are basically essential to the documentary.
So this is probably my most important trip.

433
00:32:10.720 --> 00:32:15.839
And then there's one more I have
to make and then we should be

434
00:32:15.839 --> 00:32:20.079
able to get back into post production. But every time I say that,

435
00:32:20.519 --> 00:32:25.400
there's always something that ends up happening
because it's such a complex story. Right.

436
00:32:25.519 --> 00:32:31.480
This is four years, four different
trials, fourteen defendants, twenty unindicted

437
00:32:31.519 --> 00:32:38.599
co conspirators, everybody's family and friends, so it's a lot to put together.

438
00:32:39.079 --> 00:32:43.920
There's a lot. I think people
have a misunderstanding of how much work

439
00:32:43.960 --> 00:32:47.720
goes into doing something like this,
how expensive it is to make a documentary.

440
00:32:47.920 --> 00:32:52.079
They believe it or not. They
don't actually just get made by themselves

441
00:32:52.079 --> 00:32:55.119
overnight. It takes a lot of
work, a lot of resources, a

442
00:32:55.160 --> 00:33:00.240
lot of financing, and we have
been very lucky, very blessed to have

443
00:33:01.000 --> 00:33:07.759
been able to essentially crowdfund this so
far. My family has also helped out,

444
00:33:07.759 --> 00:33:10.839
and they're very supportive, and I'm
very very lucky to have them because

445
00:33:12.200 --> 00:33:15.839
they know that this is something that
is important to me that I'm passionate about.

446
00:33:15.279 --> 00:33:21.920
So I will not put the film
out until it is complete, and

447
00:33:22.319 --> 00:33:28.519
I am going to be going through
things in detail in the documentary because nobody

448
00:33:28.559 --> 00:33:32.240
else is going to do it.
Somebody had to preserve the historical record.

449
00:33:32.759 --> 00:33:39.440
So I have a lot, a
lot right now that we're sitting on so

450
00:33:39.599 --> 00:33:45.440
hopefully, yes, what they've done
now with the d banking right before I

451
00:33:45.519 --> 00:33:50.039
have to travel is causing a lot
of problems for me because it's you know,

452
00:33:50.119 --> 00:33:55.400
I have enough trying to plan a
shoot, which is difficult enough with

453
00:33:55.440 --> 00:34:00.960
a small crew like our time and
resources are so tight that I have to

454
00:34:01.079 --> 00:34:06.599
schedule things to like the hour for
what I'm going to do each day because

455
00:34:06.640 --> 00:34:09.760
of my limited time. So I
already was trying to do that. Now

456
00:34:09.840 --> 00:34:15.639
it adds more things that I have
to deal with first, and then of

457
00:34:15.679 --> 00:34:20.000
course some of my money is now
tied up and I don't know when I'm

458
00:34:20.000 --> 00:34:23.639
going to get it. Luckily,
though, they did not get the bank

459
00:34:23.679 --> 00:34:30.159
account for the documentary itself, and
I think the reason for that is because

460
00:34:30.639 --> 00:34:35.480
I did not use any big bank
I knew going into it. When I

461
00:34:35.559 --> 00:34:39.480
created the fundraiser for the documentary,
I created a separate account just for that.

462
00:34:40.159 --> 00:34:44.719
I had a feeling that they might
try, so I went with like

463
00:34:45.639 --> 00:34:50.000
a bank that is not a big
bank that a lot of people haven't even

464
00:34:50.039 --> 00:34:53.639
heard of, and I think that's
the only reason why that one has survived

465
00:34:53.679 --> 00:34:59.679
so far. So if you have
donated to the documentary with the Gibsen Go

466
00:35:00.119 --> 00:35:06.360
fundraiser. You have nothing to worry
about those funds will They're fine, they

467
00:35:06.360 --> 00:35:08.599
have not gotten any of that.
That's good. That's good, and that's

468
00:35:08.599 --> 00:35:12.440
one of the things, you know, we need to need to think about

469
00:35:12.480 --> 00:35:15.760
that. We need to look towards
local banks, smaller banks, banks where

470
00:35:15.760 --> 00:35:20.960
you're going to know the people and
you know, not the banks that are

471
00:35:21.000 --> 00:35:24.320
so tightly tied into the federal government
and the FBI and other things that like

472
00:35:24.360 --> 00:35:29.400
Bank of America. I think it's
very right in America who has collaborated with

473
00:35:29.480 --> 00:35:31.960
the FBI. As you said with
January sixth, this is one of the

474
00:35:32.000 --> 00:35:37.320
things the fifteen Attorney General said in
their letter to Bank of America in the

475
00:35:37.360 --> 00:35:43.400
first three paragraphs, they said they
collaborate with the FBI. So they changed

476
00:35:43.440 --> 00:35:47.119
their name to the Bank of the
FBI. Yeah, right, they are.

477
00:35:47.280 --> 00:35:51.639
It's like banking with Jack Recover,
you know. Yeah. I feel

478
00:35:51.719 --> 00:35:55.239
like they just wanted to cause inconveniences
for me and to try to do this

479
00:35:55.360 --> 00:35:59.239
right before I had to leave for
a shoot, to make it more difficult

480
00:35:59.360 --> 00:36:02.519
for me to slow down my progress, to throw things in my way.

481
00:36:02.920 --> 00:36:07.239
That's happened from the beginning, by
the way, like I came into this

482
00:36:07.719 --> 00:36:13.119
to filming this very objective about the
situation and about the guys, and I

483
00:36:13.239 --> 00:36:16.119
just wanted to know the truth.
And I as I started doing it,

484
00:36:16.599 --> 00:36:23.079
things kept happening that just was reinforcing
what I was seeing in the discovery of

485
00:36:23.199 --> 00:36:29.760
like how vindictive the government can be
and what they will do to people who

486
00:36:29.760 --> 00:36:35.599
they just don't like, like I
have had. And I think I talked

487
00:36:35.639 --> 00:36:42.679
about this before when I was interviewing
Adam and Barry. I interviewed Barry right

488
00:36:42.679 --> 00:36:45.880
before his sentencing the night before.
I said, is there any statement you

489
00:36:45.920 --> 00:36:47.480
want to get out? I have
a small platform, but I'll put it

490
00:36:47.519 --> 00:36:52.199
out for you. He said yes. I put it out like a five

491
00:36:52.199 --> 00:36:55.960
minute video, maybe at nine o'clock
at night. The next morning, the

492
00:36:57.199 --> 00:37:01.920
prosecutor Nils Kessler is quoting from it
at barry sentencing to call him unrepentant and

493
00:37:02.039 --> 00:37:08.559
completely radicalized for not taking responsibility for
the FBI's plot and maintaining his innocence.

494
00:37:08.960 --> 00:37:13.360
But then he also said that he
was a spiritual leader, he was like

495
00:37:13.440 --> 00:37:17.760
the blind chic and all this other
nonsense he gave Barry nineteen and a half

496
00:37:17.840 --> 00:37:22.519
years, So Barry ended up getting
more time than Adam Fox, who the

497
00:37:22.559 --> 00:37:28.440
government initially said was the ringleader and
focused on Adam. Adam got sixteen years,

498
00:37:28.480 --> 00:37:30.360
though Barry got nineteen and a half. And I think that's because at

499
00:37:30.400 --> 00:37:36.559
that time of sentencing, Barry was
participating in the documentary more than any of

500
00:37:36.599 --> 00:37:39.079
the other guys, including more than
Adam, and I think it was punishment

501
00:37:39.159 --> 00:37:45.280
to him specifically. So that night
after their sentencing, I'm interviewing him again.

502
00:37:45.320 --> 00:37:47.199
I said, do you guys want
to get statements out to the Weaponization

503
00:37:47.440 --> 00:37:52.039
Committee? I will record him.
I'll get him out. The guys wrote

504
00:37:52.039 --> 00:37:55.519
their statements, I record Barry reading
his as a fourmant long statement. I

505
00:37:55.599 --> 00:38:01.559
publish it the next day. The
next more, both Adamant and Barry are

506
00:38:01.599 --> 00:38:07.559
moved out of Diego County and sent
two different supermax prisons across the country.

507
00:38:07.559 --> 00:38:10.199
Adam sent to Florence Supermax, Berry
sent to Tera Hate. Would they then

508
00:38:10.280 --> 00:38:15.519
tell him when he gets there that
he's going to be moved into the Communications

509
00:38:15.599 --> 00:38:21.880
Management Unit the CMU, which would
have prevented his ability to basically even communicate

510
00:38:21.920 --> 00:38:24.599
with me through letters. So at
that point, once they did that,

511
00:38:24.840 --> 00:38:30.559
oh, and that my house was
rated twice at the same time these guys

512
00:38:30.599 --> 00:38:35.519
were moved to supermaxis. So all
of these things were happening that are sort

513
00:38:35.519 --> 00:38:40.719
of like plausible deniability for the government
that, oh, maybe it's just coincidental

514
00:38:40.800 --> 00:38:45.719
timing that this is happening, but
it's just one thing after another, and

515
00:38:45.760 --> 00:38:51.480
these really seem like with the debanking
now also with the Bureau of Prisons labeling

516
00:38:51.519 --> 00:38:55.079
me a security risk for no reason. I have no criminal record. I'm

517
00:38:55.119 --> 00:39:00.639
somebody who was in the criminal justice
system, worked in law for many heres,

518
00:39:00.960 --> 00:39:06.280
volunteered with the Orthodox prison ministries before
I even started this documentary, so

519
00:39:06.360 --> 00:39:10.960
I should have no issues with the
BOP. They'd approve me for visitation with

520
00:39:12.039 --> 00:39:15.639
one of the guys. Then I
called before I came for the visit.

521
00:39:15.719 --> 00:39:19.000
I get there physically, they say
now I'm not approved anymore, and they

522
00:39:19.039 --> 00:39:22.639
wouldn't tell me why they wouldn't let
me visit with them. The poor kid,

523
00:39:22.679 --> 00:39:27.199
you know, he had just gotten
his haircut, he was ready to

524
00:39:27.199 --> 00:39:30.559
get his picture taken with me,
and he was sitting there waiting, and

525
00:39:30.639 --> 00:39:34.039
I can't call him to tell him
they're not letting me in. Well,

526
00:39:34.280 --> 00:39:38.639
I find out later that they tell
me that the BOP has denied my visits

527
00:39:38.639 --> 00:39:43.280
now because I'm a quote security risk. They wouldn't sign off on it though.

528
00:39:43.559 --> 00:39:46.800
Nobody from BOP would sign a name
to that, and nobody would tell

529
00:39:46.840 --> 00:39:51.840
me who made that determination when it
was made, in on what criteria that

530
00:39:52.000 --> 00:39:54.840
was made. So we have a
foiler request in right now with the Federal

531
00:39:54.880 --> 00:40:00.000
Bureau of Prisons. I attended a
BOP oversight hearing. I met the director

532
00:40:00.000 --> 00:40:04.000
actor the BOP, Collette Peters.
She told me she was going to facilitate

533
00:40:04.039 --> 00:40:07.960
a visit, and then this is
what happened. This was the result of

534
00:40:07.079 --> 00:40:13.039
that. Right, she put me
in touch with her media person who was

535
00:40:13.079 --> 00:40:16.360
supposed to facilitate this visit, and
I get this email with just from a

536
00:40:16.400 --> 00:40:22.880
generic BOP at BOP dot gov,
you know, email with nobody's name on

537
00:40:22.960 --> 00:40:27.800
it, saying you have been you
know, they had approved me first and

538
00:40:27.800 --> 00:40:31.719
then they said they rescinded the approval
and I'm a quote security risk. Wow

539
00:40:32.079 --> 00:40:35.800
wow, yeah, thought he will
tell me why. That's what exactly a

540
00:40:35.880 --> 00:40:37.760
looks like the no fly list,
who we look at all these different things

541
00:40:37.760 --> 00:40:42.280
that they have come up with in
just the last few years, last twenty

542
00:40:42.360 --> 00:40:45.079
years or so, things like the
no flylist, things like the communication management

543
00:40:45.159 --> 00:40:50.960
unit that you mentioned. I've talked
many times to Marty Gottisfeld who was put

544
00:40:51.000 --> 00:40:54.400
in there, and his big crime
was he came after a Harvard affiliated children's

545
00:40:54.400 --> 00:40:59.519
hospital up in Boston because there was
a medical kidnapping case there. He embarrassed

546
00:40:59.559 --> 00:41:00.599
them. They got him sent to
prison, and they got him sent to

547
00:41:00.639 --> 00:41:05.960
a communications management unit because he was
connected to a lot of different people.

548
00:41:06.119 --> 00:41:08.320
So when we look at these types
of things, these are structures that have

549
00:41:08.519 --> 00:41:15.159
absolutely no place in a republic that
has a Bill of rights like we do

550
00:41:15.280 --> 00:41:20.519
and a constitution like we do.
They belong in a dystopian totalitarian society,

551
00:41:20.559 --> 00:41:22.920
which is what we have become.
Folks. If you start to peel this

552
00:41:23.000 --> 00:41:29.159
back, all of these different structures
have been set up. They've already been

553
00:41:29.239 --> 00:41:32.480
applied to a lot of people.
The question is when are they growing and

554
00:41:32.519 --> 00:41:37.159
broaden this out to everybody, because
that is what's going to happen. And

555
00:41:37.199 --> 00:41:43.840
it makes it very concerned about things
like CBDC and these other things digital ID

556
00:41:44.039 --> 00:41:49.480
and stuff like that, because we
see the tautalitarian heart of our government that

557
00:41:49.519 --> 00:41:52.679
it despises the principles that America was
founded on. It truly is amazing.

558
00:41:53.760 --> 00:41:58.079
If people want to find keep up
with you and find it, they can

559
00:41:58.119 --> 00:42:02.559
go to K and K is a
film singular film plural dot com k and

560
00:42:02.719 --> 00:42:07.960
kfilm dot com Good okay, and
there they can find how they can donate

561
00:42:08.079 --> 00:42:10.480
and support. You got links to
all of that stuff. There they can

562
00:42:10.519 --> 00:42:15.400
see the trailer that we played at
the beginning of this, and I would

563
00:42:15.440 --> 00:42:19.599
imagine, you know, as you
move forward, I mean, these trials

564
00:42:19.599 --> 00:42:23.039
are still an appeal. They could
continue in appeal. I guess you're going

565
00:42:23.079 --> 00:42:28.159
to have to just kind of,
you know, put something there together,

566
00:42:28.400 --> 00:42:31.480
and then you could always do an
update as some of these things are resolved.

567
00:42:31.519 --> 00:42:37.039
And I would imagine that after the
core of the story is told that

568
00:42:37.079 --> 00:42:38.920
there would be an opportunity to go
for people to go back and dig deeper.

569
00:42:39.079 --> 00:42:43.000
You know, That's what we're thinking. Yeah, we're thinking of We're

570
00:42:43.039 --> 00:42:45.639
focused right now on getting the first
part out. Part one, I think

571
00:42:45.760 --> 00:42:52.199
is going to be the main focus, and then after that maybe a part

572
00:42:52.239 --> 00:42:57.519
two and three, because this is
going to be there's just no way you

573
00:42:57.559 --> 00:43:00.760
can get all of this information into
one film. You have to do it

574
00:43:00.800 --> 00:43:05.400
that way. So we're focused now, but we can't even get Part one

575
00:43:05.480 --> 00:43:08.519
done without doing this last shot.
We were in post production, we were

576
00:43:08.559 --> 00:43:13.159
working on editing, and we're like, you know what, we just can't

577
00:43:13.159 --> 00:43:19.039
without access to certain locations which I
was able to secure. This is the

578
00:43:19.079 --> 00:43:22.360
other reason why I think they really
don't want me doing this last trip because

579
00:43:22.679 --> 00:43:25.719
and I say what it is,
because that would be foolish. As I

580
00:43:25.800 --> 00:43:30.320
know, my assigned agent is watching
and listening, but they have other ways

581
00:43:30.320 --> 00:43:35.400
of tracking and monitoring all of your
communications. I already know that they're monitoring

582
00:43:35.480 --> 00:43:38.760
mine because certainly they monitor all my
communications with the five guys who are still

583
00:43:38.760 --> 00:43:43.760
in prison. And so I feel
like they really don't want me coming for

584
00:43:43.840 --> 00:43:47.599
this last shoot because this is going
to be my most important one and I'm

585
00:43:47.639 --> 00:43:52.679
really looking forward to it. Also, I will say for the appeals of

586
00:43:52.719 --> 00:43:57.599
the state guys Pete music O,
Joe Morrison, and Paul Bellar, the

587
00:43:57.639 --> 00:44:00.880
three who were tried at the state
level for quote providing material support and then

588
00:44:00.960 --> 00:44:07.400
moved to federal BOP facilities across the
country on the eve of their appeals.

589
00:44:07.679 --> 00:44:12.000
All of those guys could be incarcerated
by the way until twenty sixty three,

590
00:44:12.599 --> 00:44:17.800
So that's about forty years for nothing. Paul's twenty five right now. It's

591
00:44:17.880 --> 00:44:22.400
just insane to think about. And
he's been incarcerated since he was twenty one

592
00:44:22.480 --> 00:44:25.079
years old. Joe's only twenty nine
right now. His two young kids have

593
00:44:25.239 --> 00:44:30.159
not they're like babies, they have
not gotten to be with their father at

594
00:44:30.199 --> 00:44:36.039
all. And then Pete is his
father in law, that's their grandfather,

595
00:44:36.400 --> 00:44:42.000
is also incarcerated. So imagine that
your father and grandfather are incarcerated for something

596
00:44:42.039 --> 00:44:45.880
they didn't do, and it could
potentially be for forty years. That is

597
00:44:46.000 --> 00:44:52.360
just insane to think about. What
we know for that is for Paul,

598
00:44:52.559 --> 00:44:55.599
we have a hearing on him about
bringing him back to Michigan. That hearing

599
00:44:55.679 --> 00:45:00.280
is coming up June seventh in Michigan, and at looks like the defense has

600
00:45:00.360 --> 00:45:06.960
filed for a writ to kind of
compel them to bring him back to Michigan

601
00:45:07.320 --> 00:45:12.320
so he can meaningfully participate in the
appeals process. Right now, as it

602
00:45:12.400 --> 00:45:16.119
is in Minersville, Pennsylvania, he's
got no access to a Michigan law library.

603
00:45:16.280 --> 00:45:22.559
His Michigan court appointed public defender can't
meet with him, doesn't make those

604
00:45:22.639 --> 00:45:27.119
drives. So he's had no contact
with his lawyer. Legal mail is returned

605
00:45:27.199 --> 00:45:30.639
to sender, so he has not
gotten the transcripts he needs to prepare for

606
00:45:30.679 --> 00:45:35.719
his appeal. And then it goes
on and on. All of the attorney

607
00:45:35.760 --> 00:45:38.119
client privileged phone calls are being monitored
by a third party. And I'm not

608
00:45:38.239 --> 00:45:43.440
saying that this is coming from court
filings in the case. Anyone can go

609
00:45:43.480 --> 00:45:47.159
look at the exhibits where they the
attorneys are saying this. A third party

610
00:45:47.239 --> 00:45:52.320
is monitoring the phone calls. We
all know who that third party is.

611
00:45:52.639 --> 00:45:58.199
We also all know that Whittmer is
the head of the MDOC, as the

612
00:45:58.239 --> 00:46:01.719
governor of Michigan is at actually the
head of the Michigan Department of Corrections.

613
00:46:01.920 --> 00:46:06.480
If you don't know how the organizational
chart works, that's how it is.

614
00:46:06.760 --> 00:46:10.119
So even if we do bring all
three guys back to Michigan pending appeal,

615
00:46:10.519 --> 00:46:14.920
my concern is as soon as they
step foot in Michigan, they're getting put

616
00:46:14.960 --> 00:46:19.880
in the whole and contact with them
is going to cease. And that's my

617
00:46:20.039 --> 00:46:23.880
concern right now, is keeping in
touch with them during this time because we

618
00:46:23.960 --> 00:46:28.519
have no idea what's going to happen. It's also very weird that the trial

619
00:46:28.639 --> 00:46:32.119
judge is still overseeing the appeals Judge
Wilson. And this is the bizarre thing.

620
00:46:32.159 --> 00:46:37.480
They say, Well, Judge Wilson, in this Court of Claims process,

621
00:46:37.719 --> 00:46:40.239
if he decides like he's going to
decide to take up an appeal on

622
00:46:40.280 --> 00:46:44.280
his own rulings, why are we
wasting time with this? Then they go,

623
00:46:44.360 --> 00:46:46.440
oh, well, after if he
makes a decision, after that,

624
00:46:46.519 --> 00:46:52.159
then it goes to the like the
Michigan Court of Appeals or something, and

625
00:46:52.320 --> 00:46:54.960
with a three judge panel, and
then they'll make a decision. And I

626
00:46:54.960 --> 00:46:58.480
said, so, why are we
doing this? Then? Is this just

627
00:46:58.559 --> 00:47:02.599
to waste time and just to key
these men in Prison's Judge Wilson's not going

628
00:47:02.639 --> 00:47:09.559
to disagree with rulings he made.
That's just nonsensical. And so I just

629
00:47:09.639 --> 00:47:14.159
have no I feel like I'm in
clown world. I have no idea what's

630
00:47:14.199 --> 00:47:17.320
happening. And as somebody who worked
in law, I have never seen something

631
00:47:17.440 --> 00:47:23.159
like this occur where the trial judge
becomes the person overseeing the appeals process.

632
00:47:23.480 --> 00:47:28.079
I've never seen that happen before.
Amazing. Well, it's a story that

633
00:47:28.159 --> 00:47:30.760
really has to be told, and
it's something that we should all be concerned

634
00:47:30.760 --> 00:47:36.440
about how our government has loosened the
chains that we're supposed to bind them down,

635
00:47:36.440 --> 00:47:38.320
as Patrick Henry said, buying them
down the chains of the Constitution.

636
00:47:38.639 --> 00:47:43.599
But the fact that we have these
bureaucracies, because that's what the FBI is,

637
00:47:43.599 --> 00:47:49.400
it's a federal bureaucracy. That we
have these bureaucracies that will entrap,

638
00:47:49.760 --> 00:47:52.599
that will bait and entrap, and
then we have the and that's part of

639
00:47:52.639 --> 00:47:54.920
this, A big part of this. And then the other part of it

640
00:47:55.000 --> 00:48:00.400
is how they will deny do process, how they will deny a fair trial,

641
00:48:00.440 --> 00:48:06.000
how they will apply excessive punishment.
All of these things are part of

642
00:48:06.000 --> 00:48:08.480
this story and of so many other
stories. But if people can see this

643
00:48:08.599 --> 00:48:13.880
in one story, they might understand, you know, just how important it

644
00:48:13.920 --> 00:48:15.880
is. And these other ones,
and I know that you're gonna have a

645
00:48:15.920 --> 00:48:23.079
lot of problems with getting this scene. Take a look at the movie that

646
00:48:23.079 --> 00:48:28.840
Clint Eastwood did about the Olympic bombings
in Atlanta, for example, right,

647
00:48:29.280 --> 00:48:32.679
and Richard Jewell and what happened with
that. They came after that movie in

648
00:48:32.840 --> 00:48:37.079
so many different ways. They use
the me too thing to shut it down.

649
00:48:37.239 --> 00:48:45.679
There's going to be all kinds of
frivolous and slanderous things that will probably

650
00:48:45.679 --> 00:48:49.599
come out, just like they threw
against Clint Eastwood to try to shut down

651
00:48:49.639 --> 00:48:52.760
this film get people to not see
it because that's the way they operate.

652
00:48:52.159 --> 00:48:57.599
And that was an excellent movie and
more people should have seen it because that

653
00:48:57.760 --> 00:49:00.840
gives them a glimpse into the real, the reality of the FBI. It's

654
00:49:00.880 --> 00:49:07.639
not this carefully prepared and presented image
that Jaggar Hoover would always do through Hollywood

655
00:49:07.679 --> 00:49:10.760
and through his TV show that he
ran, you know, for years and

656
00:49:10.840 --> 00:49:15.079
years when I was much younger.
But it's a pr thing and they work

657
00:49:15.119 --> 00:49:17.840
on that very much. So of
course they're going to be opposing you.

658
00:49:17.960 --> 00:49:22.719
They oppose anything that shows them getting
it wrong and getting it vindictive and so.

659
00:49:23.360 --> 00:49:27.840
But we should all be very concerned
about what is happening to our government,

660
00:49:28.119 --> 00:49:31.360
and we need more documentaries about these
types of things. But your film

661
00:49:31.440 --> 00:49:36.760
is very important. It was also
the template for J six. The same

662
00:49:36.800 --> 00:49:39.880
guy that ran that operation goes to
Washington and runs the J six thing to

663
00:49:40.039 --> 00:49:45.440
entrap people. We got people that
we're seeing such so much excessive punishment of

664
00:49:45.519 --> 00:49:51.239
pro life people of J six,
people of these guys It truly is amazing

665
00:49:51.280 --> 00:49:54.960
what our government has become. I
think it's disgusting and it's very sad.

666
00:49:55.880 --> 00:50:00.039
I'm somebody who you know, I'm
a very nice lady. I love to

667
00:50:00.079 --> 00:50:04.599
give people the benefit of the doubt, and you know, I try to

668
00:50:04.599 --> 00:50:08.000
be very positive and stuff like that. But this, the process of like

669
00:50:08.119 --> 00:50:12.599
working on this has really, I
don't want to say black pilled me,

670
00:50:12.760 --> 00:50:17.280
but it has. I already was
aware of, like FBI corruption. In

671
00:50:17.320 --> 00:50:22.079
fact, my research of pat Con
is what got me started covering the Whitmer

672
00:50:22.159 --> 00:50:27.840
case because I had been looking into
that prior to those guys getting arrested.

673
00:50:27.920 --> 00:50:30.719
Once they got arrested, I'm going, oh my god, it's Pacn all

674
00:50:30.760 --> 00:50:35.239
over again. And I'm seeing it, but experiencing it is different when it

675
00:50:35.320 --> 00:50:39.239
starts happening to you. These co
intel pro tactics that they do, or

676
00:50:40.079 --> 00:50:45.440
like what the East German Stasi did. They had a program called zerzett Song,

677
00:50:45.519 --> 00:50:50.280
which means decomposition, where they would
do very bizarre things to people,

678
00:50:50.599 --> 00:50:55.440
including going into their home and rearranging
furniture and then leaving it just to make

679
00:50:55.480 --> 00:50:59.840
you think that you're going crazy,
or you say to people, yeah,

680
00:50:59.840 --> 00:51:02.119
I think something my home was burglarized. Whether they steal anything, no,

681
00:51:02.199 --> 00:51:07.840
they just rearrange the furniture. That
makes you sound psychotic, but these are

682
00:51:07.880 --> 00:51:10.639
the things they would do to people. They would arrange for failures in your

683
00:51:10.679 --> 00:51:15.320
work, and you didn't know.
You would just think that you weren't progressing

684
00:51:15.360 --> 00:51:19.280
in life, that you didn't get
the promotion. But really they were arranging

685
00:51:19.320 --> 00:51:22.360
for these things to happen to you, to make it as difficult for you

686
00:51:22.440 --> 00:51:27.519
as possible to do whatever it was
you were doing they didn't like. Typically

687
00:51:27.559 --> 00:51:32.320
that is dissenting from the official narrative
and exposing their criminality. And these are

688
00:51:32.360 --> 00:51:37.280
the kinds of things that they do, the things that give them plausible deniability.

689
00:51:37.480 --> 00:51:39.840
But it's just little death by thousand
cuts. And of course you know,

690
00:51:39.920 --> 00:51:43.239
you know about that, I know
about that, They know about that,

691
00:51:43.559 --> 00:51:47.440
And there isn't any restriction on their
part from a moral or a legal

692
00:51:47.480 --> 00:51:52.320
standard. There's no restrictions on whatever
they do. So if they see something

693
00:51:52.360 --> 00:51:55.480
that the Stasi people did, oh
yeah, we could use that, you

694
00:51:55.519 --> 00:51:59.960
know, And so they're going to
adopt any and all of this stuff because

695
00:52:00.519 --> 00:52:05.239
there is no controlling legal authority for
these organizations, and it doesn't matter.

696
00:52:05.320 --> 00:52:07.679
You know, the FBI is there, but when we look at all these

697
00:52:07.719 --> 00:52:10.599
other different aspects, where there's the
EPA coming up with arbitrary things to shut

698
00:52:10.639 --> 00:52:16.360
down our infrastructure, there is no
control and Washington is absolutely out of control.

699
00:52:16.719 --> 00:52:22.320
None of the people in Washington will
do anything about it. Will the

700
00:52:22.559 --> 00:52:25.639
whole show trials about this or that. But they keep funding it all they're

701
00:52:25.679 --> 00:52:29.360
big superpowers that they can cut the
funding to it, they don't do it.

702
00:52:29.440 --> 00:52:32.440
Instead, they're giving them massive new
budgets and bigger budgets. And they're

703
00:52:32.440 --> 00:52:36.199
doing the same thing with the irs
as they are with the FBI. Here

704
00:52:36.280 --> 00:52:38.400
have another big pile of money.
We love what you're doing right well,

705
00:52:38.480 --> 00:52:44.159
lying to us, you know,
and fund raising off of these little show

706
00:52:44.199 --> 00:52:47.559
hearings that they do hold. There's
zero oversight of the FBI. The Weaponization

707
00:52:47.679 --> 00:52:52.000
Committee has been a complete and total
farce. The nerve of them to refer

708
00:52:52.119 --> 00:52:55.760
to that as a church committee two
point oh, I just think is ridiculous.

709
00:52:57.039 --> 00:53:00.000
But that's where we are. Jim
Jordan has been a complete failure.

710
00:53:00.400 --> 00:53:04.679
He has been such a disappointment.
I myself have tried to get information to

711
00:53:04.800 --> 00:53:08.320
the committee, to Jim Jordan himself
about the Whitmer case, specifically to get

712
00:53:08.360 --> 00:53:12.840
them to urge them to investigate.
Like I said, I even got statements

713
00:53:12.920 --> 00:53:16.840
from the men themselves and gave them
handed it off to them. And I've

714
00:53:16.880 --> 00:53:22.760
gotten no response from the Weaponization Committee, and I've heard from you know,

715
00:53:22.920 --> 00:53:27.519
we'll just say people behind closed doors
that they're not interested in getting into the

716
00:53:27.559 --> 00:53:30.880
bottom of it because they're donors.
It's not on their list of priorities for

717
00:53:30.960 --> 00:53:34.840
their donors. They go, oh, on a list of like one to

718
00:53:34.920 --> 00:53:37.119
twenty three, that would be number
twenty three at the bottom of And I'm

719
00:53:37.159 --> 00:53:42.119
going to the American people though it's
number one for them. Who cares about

720
00:53:42.159 --> 00:53:47.079
your donors? So we get Hunter
Biden, we get this nonsense that frankly,

721
00:53:47.159 --> 00:53:52.960
nobody cares about. All of these
political dynasties have NEPO babies. Hunter

722
00:53:53.039 --> 00:54:00.320
Biden isn't any different by any stretch
of the imagination. Who cares. It's

723
00:54:00.360 --> 00:54:04.800
just stupid, but this is.
And then there are five men still incarcerated,

724
00:54:04.880 --> 00:54:08.480
ripped from their families. Barry has
three daughters, Joe has two daughters,

725
00:54:08.679 --> 00:54:14.480
Pete has daughters grandchildren. Paul they
threw him in there when he was

726
00:54:14.480 --> 00:54:16.280
twenty one, years old, before
he had a chance to start a family.

727
00:54:16.519 --> 00:54:22.079
They're taking time from these men that
they'll never get back for something they

728
00:54:22.119 --> 00:54:25.960
didn't do. And yet we can't
get Jim Jordan to look into this.

729
00:54:27.079 --> 00:54:30.400
We can't get him to look into
the blueprint for January sixth. We can't

730
00:54:30.400 --> 00:54:37.519
get the Weaponization Committee to investigate this
case, the most egregious example of weaponization

731
00:54:37.280 --> 00:54:40.400
in recent history, which according to
the government, it was the biggest,

732
00:54:40.639 --> 00:54:46.679
the greatest domestic terrorism case in a
generation. We can't get the Weaponization Committee

733
00:54:46.719 --> 00:54:52.760
to investigate that, then it's completely
useless and it's just a farce, and

734
00:54:52.800 --> 00:54:57.960
it's just there for them to grift
off of it by taking little two minute

735
00:54:58.000 --> 00:55:01.960
sound bites of themselves at these show
trials that they rush to put on social

736
00:55:02.000 --> 00:55:07.760
media where they get their Fox News
appearance. That's all these people care about.

737
00:55:07.920 --> 00:55:10.039
They don't give a damn about these
men, and they're not going to

738
00:55:10.280 --> 00:55:16.840
until we make them, until we
put enough pressure on them publicly to do

739
00:55:16.880 --> 00:55:22.199
something. I agree. Yeah,
they absolutely don't care about any principles whatsoever,

740
00:55:22.400 --> 00:55:27.280
and they don't understand that if they
allow a government that is weaponized and

741
00:55:27.360 --> 00:55:31.280
atalitarian, that eventually is going to
come back after them. As Michael Hayden

742
00:55:31.360 --> 00:55:36.119
said, we're not interested in everybody, We're only interested in interesting people.

743
00:55:36.119 --> 00:55:39.239
Well, guess what, these congressmen
are also interesting people. They're being black

744
00:55:39.280 --> 00:55:45.239
mailed probably, but they will also
find themselves up against the wall when they

745
00:55:45.360 --> 00:55:49.400
really drop the hammer on this stuff. And you look at these politicians who

746
00:55:49.440 --> 00:55:52.679
are getting getting censored, or even
Trump with all of these other things that

747
00:55:52.719 --> 00:55:57.960
they're coming up against him. He
could have done some things to stand up

748
00:55:57.960 --> 00:56:00.280
for free speech. He could have
done some things to shut down this kind

749
00:56:00.320 --> 00:56:04.679
of weaponization which was around the entire
time. But if you don't do anything

750
00:56:04.679 --> 00:56:07.039
about that, it's going to eventually
come around to you as well. And

751
00:56:07.119 --> 00:56:10.199
that's the thing that they don't know
and they don't seem to care about.

752
00:56:10.199 --> 00:56:15.079
They think that they're above the law
as well, and they really don't care

753
00:56:15.119 --> 00:56:17.079
what happens to you and I,
and they don't care what happens to these

754
00:56:17.119 --> 00:56:22.039
other people. They don't support justice
whatsoever. They think they can skate through

755
00:56:22.159 --> 00:56:23.119
and do whatever they want. And
for the most part, they're right.

756
00:56:23.199 --> 00:56:28.320
You know, you get menindas beat
the first trial, so after a second

757
00:56:28.360 --> 00:56:30.760
time, but you know, they
can pretty much do anything they want and

758
00:56:30.800 --> 00:56:34.519
get away with it. So I
guess, you know, maybe that's what

759
00:56:34.599 --> 00:56:37.840
the whole ballgame is about. That's
why I think we need to have this

760
00:56:37.920 --> 00:56:40.480
documentary. We need to expose this
to the light. That's the way we

761
00:56:40.599 --> 00:56:46.440
disinfect this stuff, and then people
need to understand just how rotten Washington is,

762
00:56:46.599 --> 00:56:51.719
so people start directing their energies away
from these people like Jim Jordan who

763
00:56:51.719 --> 00:56:54.440
aren't going to do anything, and
start looking at what, if anything,

764
00:56:54.440 --> 00:56:57.960
we can do at the most local
level. I think we're going to have

765
00:56:58.000 --> 00:57:00.280
to take this country back from the
grassroots up, and we're going to have

766
00:57:00.320 --> 00:57:05.920
to, first of all, this
avow any any idea that we're going to

767
00:57:06.000 --> 00:57:09.599
get this sol from the top down
down the top is completely rotten. Absolutely

768
00:57:09.679 --> 00:57:14.679
is Yeah. I agree with you
one hundred percent. I think that's honestly.

769
00:57:14.719 --> 00:57:16.800
I think that's why the Whitmer guys
were targeted in the first place,

770
00:57:16.840 --> 00:57:21.639
because they were the guys on the
ground that said we have to step up

771
00:57:21.679 --> 00:57:24.079
and do nothing when they saw the
country burning to the ground. In twenty

772
00:57:24.159 --> 00:57:29.159
twenty during the mostly peaceful protests.
These were the men that said, let's

773
00:57:29.159 --> 00:57:34.519
get our community together and protect our
communities. That's what they were doing,

774
00:57:34.599 --> 00:57:37.599
and that's why they didn't like them. That's why they wanted to target them,

775
00:57:37.639 --> 00:57:40.599
because they were men who said,
we're not going to sit here and

776
00:57:40.679 --> 00:57:46.159
allow you to loot buildings and businesses
and burn them to the ground. We

777
00:57:46.199 --> 00:57:50.000
are going to organize. We're going
to show up armed, and we're going

778
00:57:50.039 --> 00:57:52.239
to stand out front of these buildings
and we're going to guard them. They

779
00:57:52.320 --> 00:57:57.119
don't like that. They didn't like
the men, armed men coming together,

780
00:57:57.760 --> 00:58:01.880
organizing themselves and saying, no,
we're not going to allow your tyranny anymore.

781
00:58:01.880 --> 00:58:06.119
We're going to stand against it.
And it was that it was simply

782
00:58:06.239 --> 00:58:12.079
them saying those words that got them
targeted. And I'd also say for people

783
00:58:12.079 --> 00:58:15.679
who think they know what happened with
the Whitmer case, they do not.

784
00:58:15.239 --> 00:58:22.519
There's so much to this story that
no one knows about that I haven't even

785
00:58:22.559 --> 00:58:25.159
talked about because I want people to
see it in the documentary that you think

786
00:58:25.199 --> 00:58:29.840
you know what happened here, I
can assure you you don't. You're going

787
00:58:29.920 --> 00:58:34.079
to see what happened firsthand, and
you're going to hear from the people that

788
00:58:34.360 --> 00:58:38.159
actually happened to themselves, and you're
going to also see the lies that we're

789
00:58:38.159 --> 00:58:43.760
told about these families and these men, and you're going to see them for

790
00:58:43.800 --> 00:58:46.079
who they really are. Yes,
it's very important. I really hope that

791
00:58:46.119 --> 00:58:50.199
you get this thing done and sooner
the better, and I know you want

792
00:58:50.199 --> 00:58:52.599
to get it done as well.
Knkfilm dot com is where people can find

793
00:58:52.599 --> 00:58:55.519
it. I would also say this, Christina, better air Gap. You're

794
00:58:55.719 --> 00:59:00.480
editing equipment and things like that.
Make sure that it's not connected anything that's

795
00:59:00.480 --> 00:59:02.599
connected to the Internet, so they
don't put a virus on your machine and

796
00:59:02.639 --> 00:59:06.599
take it down, you know,
do all that kind of stuff. I'm

797
00:59:06.639 --> 00:59:09.719
serious. I mean, I've had
Mark Hall who did a documentary about Fatala

798
00:59:09.719 --> 00:59:13.599
Gulein. He made sure he had
his stuff air Gap and he was getting

799
00:59:13.599 --> 00:59:16.519
threats as well from that organization.
So you know, air Gap, you're

800
00:59:16.639 --> 00:59:20.679
editing machine and this other stuff,
make sure you got lots of backups of

801
00:59:20.719 --> 00:59:24.519
other things as well. Guard Goldsmith, I'll give the last word here to

802
00:59:24.719 --> 00:59:30.440
Guard has a liberty conspiracy, and
he says to Christine. He says,

803
00:59:30.119 --> 00:59:34.880
this is a key conversation showing how
both Christina's work on the film and David's

804
00:59:34.880 --> 00:59:37.920
work on a show can yield new
and wider benefits. I keep wondering if

805
00:59:37.960 --> 00:59:43.199
recent probes I had with stocks at
Merrill Lynch Bank of America owned as you

806
00:59:43.280 --> 00:59:45.840
noticed yesterday, David, stem from
this kind of targeting. Keep up the

807
00:59:45.840 --> 00:59:50.480
great work. Yeah, the network
that is there, and it's going to

808
00:59:50.480 --> 00:59:54.760
get so much more extensive with their
leverage of artificial intelligence and other things like

809
00:59:54.800 --> 01:00:00.639
this. We've got to try to
establish some firewalls on this tyranny. If

810
01:00:00.639 --> 01:00:06.280
we don't, it's going to be
unlimited and so unbelievably pervasive. So people

811
01:00:06.320 --> 01:00:08.840
need to start thinking about that.
We need to put some air gaps between

812
01:00:08.960 --> 01:00:13.440
us and the Internet, because that's
one of their key tools, you know,

813
01:00:13.519 --> 01:00:16.480
for our essential things like finances and
food and other things like that.

814
01:00:16.639 --> 01:00:20.360
Get an air gap, get it
out there separate from some of these other

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things. Thank you so much for
joining us, Christina. Sorry about all

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the problems that you're having, but
of course thank you for fighting and we

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know you're going to get the same
finished kankfilm dot Com. Thank you very

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much, Thank you, thank you. Well, that's it folks for today.

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And again I've got some stuff I
didn't get to today, but it's

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we'll save it. For tomorrow.
We've got some things happening tomorrow, and

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it is very important for us to
understand just how far from the Constitution the

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federal government has gotten. Not to
get drawn into these personal petty rivalries between

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presidential candidates and the UNI Party that's
there to keep you distracted from the real

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things that need to be done with
your life, your family, God,

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and your community. Keep those things
there and focus on that. That's what

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you can do something about. Thank
you for joining us. Let me tell

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you the David Night Show you can
listen to with your ears. You can

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even watch it by using your eyes. In fact, if you can hear

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me, that means you're listening to
the David Night Show right now. Yeah,

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good job. And you want to
know something else, You can find

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all the links to everywhere to watch
or listen to the show at Thedavidnightshow dot

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com. That's a website.

