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If you've had an encounter, I would like to be on the show.
You can email me at UFO Chronicles at gmail dot com. Hello everyone,
and welcome to this show. How are you all doing? I'm Nick Cancer
and this is the UFO Chronicles podcast. We are starting off tonight with a
voice admission from Paul in Cambridgeshire with a UFO sighting in November last year.
Then following Paul, we speak to Stella in Bristol about her childhood experiences and
a strange sighting in twenty eighteen of what looked to Stella like a bird on
top of a totten bowl flying in the sky, and an encounter with a
mysterious and elusive big cant Paul up next. But first, if you enjoy
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much appreciated. Now on with the show. Nick is poor here from Cambridgeshire
again. I thought I share an experience I had in mid November last year
where I was walking my dog about two minutes from my house and I was
walking up the main street when not too high above the houses, I saw
lights and then these craft. They were well I thought there were aeroplanes at
first, but they looked too small to be aeroplanes. But they looked too
big to be drones. But I think they probably were drones. And there
were six of them in almost perfect circle, moving clockwise, just circling,
which I found very strange. Iver seen that many craft in the skies above
the houses before I walk every night my dog, and I've never seen that
many in that certainly not in that circle shape, but not that many altogether.
In one place. They were licked quite brightly by white and red lights,
so that if we say, we'll call them drones, and drones themselves
had a fixed wing going across the body, so there was a wing on
each side of it, and across that wing were the red lights and they
were quite bright. They weren't flashing, just red lights. And then from
the end of the wings down to the back of the plane, I think
probably on cables or something, because I couldn't see what they were attached to,
there was the white lights, and they again weren't flashing, they were
just white lights on so they formed a v going down from the wings,
and the red lights formed a lion going across, making a triangle. As
I say, they were quite bright. They caught my eye and they were
moving, as I say, in a circle. They were equal distance apart
from each other, and they were equal distance across from each other. And
a sort of quite mesmerized by this, and was watching it and thinking,
you know, this looks quite bizarre. And then I noticed in the center
of this circle was another craft, and this craft was triangle. It was
very black. It wasn't as bright as the others. I'm not quite sure
why that was, because it seemed to be at the same height. It
had free lights on it which were on the triangle. The tips of the
triangle were knock down to a sharp point. They were sort of rounded off
a bit. But those lights were moving on this craft. They were rotating,
but the craft itself didn't seem to be moving. It was quite sure
how it did it, but it was again that was even more bizarre.
So I'm watching this, as I say, it's just not far maybe five
hundred feet above the houses. It's very clear. And I got this,
you know, quite when I saw this triangle well, I would say,
so you bake classic UFO shape. I got a little bit nervous, so
I sort of looked I was out in the open on the pathway. Now
there is as you walk up this street, there's houses on the left hand
side. On the right hand side across the road is a sort of wooded
area that then goes into a children's park and sort of play area, and
then there's houses beyond that side. And I suddenly felt the need that I
should maybe get under those trees because I thought that they were going to something
was going to happen between these craft, because clearly the craft in the middle
was being encircled by these drones, and I wasn't quite sure what was going
to happen. So all this probably lasted a minute or so while I'm watching
all this happen, and then I looked at having got this sort of bad
feeling about what was going to happen, and thinking that I should move.
I then watched as the triangle craft then just disappeared. It didn't move,
it didn't fly off in any direction, It just vanished. It just upstream,
cloaked itself and disappeared. The six craft carried on circling for probably fifteen
twenty seconds, and then they all broke off into different directions and obviously just
started scattering around the skies and obviously looked to me like they were looking for
this other craft that had gone. So I thought, right, okay,
that's bizarre. I carried on my dog walk, and as you get to
the top of this road, you can then turn left and the sky becomes
much more of an expanse. You can see more of the skype from the
top of there, because it's much more open. To my amazement, again,
there was even more of these drones, so there must have been I
would say twelve fifteen drones in the sky, all flying around. I could
see him right across the sky, and they were clearly looking for this craft
that had disappeared. So I continued my walk right away back. It was
probably on a thirty minute walk by time I got home, And when I
got back to the house, I could still see these crafts in a distance,
still flying around, still obviously looking for what was going on or where
this where this summer craft had gone. And I left it at that.
I left them in the sky and I went in. But that wasn't the
end of it. The next day, I was on my local Facebook page
where they post anything about the village or whatever, and someone had posted as
well that they had seen all this activity in the sky. They hadn't mentioned
the triangle or the whether they were drones. They just somebody had gone out,
I think, to smoke in their garden from what I can remember,
and had noticed all these lights in the sky moving around and what the hell
was going on sort of thing, And they posed this question, what was
going on in the skies tonight? There's loads of craft all flying around.
And then there was a number of people who had posted that they'd seen them,
and that commented that they were even literary or police drones, which is
quite possible because there weren't normal drones. It's definitely bigger than anything I've seen.
And that was sort of a chatter. So I then sort of made
some notes on this and thought, right, you know, obviously I want
to share this on your podcast. So I went back to find this to
get some screenshots and find this chat that was on there, and it's gone
from Facebook, from the page, it's not anywhere. I couldn't find it
and couldn't get any of the moderators who look after that page to find it
either, So I'm not quite sure what happened to that, but it was
definitely there that first night, that first morning, after morning, straight after
it, but it was gone after that, so I'm not quite sure what
happened with that. But yeah, that's that's really the most bizarre experience I've
had for a long time. As you know, I've been on your show
and talks about my other experiences from when I was younger. But that's happened,
as I say, in November, so it's been pretty quiet since then.
But if there's anything else so I'll share it with you. Keep up
the great work on the podcast and thanks for your time. Hello Stella,
Welcome to the show. Hello Nick, very nice to be here. It
is great to have you on today. And you're calling from Bristol in the
United Kingdom. Yeah, I am the gateway to the West, beautiful part
of the world and close to where I'm from. That's great, Stella.
Now, are you have some experiences to share? Would you like to start
a beginning please, ma'am. Yeah, I, like a lot of your
guests, I had a lot of experiences in early childhood which I never explained
to myself. I just thought every child has these things, so I never
really talked about them with anybody. But as a caveat to that, I
would say that my mother encouraged me in a belief in the paranormal. She
for example, she brought me up with books like The Flower Fairies Book and
Arthur Rack Administrations of Fairies. It was very and if we went out for
a family walk, she would they would she would point out things like little
holes in the trees and say, oh, that's a fairy house, you
know. And she was also an artist and her artwork was pretty magical scenery,
so there was something going on there. But I never talked about that
with her in depth. But she certainly encouraged me in the belief, or,
let me put it in another way, she didn't She didn't trample on
any of my notions or beliefs, which was really good. And yeah.
So, and then when I got to be older, the older teenager,
she shared with me all her books, which were lots of fantasy and science
fiction. They bought The Lord of the Rings for me as an eight year
old birthday present, for example, and we also watched a lot of fantasy
television like Doctor Who and Star Trek, which most people are growing up in
the sixties and seventies did, so you could say that we were I was
primed for a belief in some of this stuff. I took a keen interest
in all of it when I got to my early teenage years. They nine's
everything, really interested in it. But I'd never thought to myself I'd seen
anything unusual. And it was only when I had my youth experience, which
was twenty eighteen, that I started thinking back to all these childhood experiences and
I realized, well, yeah, I did have some really weird stuff going
on, but never never put it into words that it was youthhoes or anything.
So I'm just going to just read a short list of the sort of
things I experienced. But visual and oral hallucinations, especially on going to sleep
or just going to sleep or just waking up. And also during childhood illnesses,
when I was kept at home off school, when I was sort of
woozy from being ill, that sort of feeling so a half hypnotic state,
if you like. So I had feelings quite frightening feelings of falling in dreams.
Hallucinations are falling with strange voices calling out to me, which was really
quite frightening, like a nightmare. I had a lot of changes in my
perception, so that in these periods, these half hypnotic periods, also when
I was wide awake and doing things like cycling to school, so when my
body was under stress, I would have feelings of being outside myself and watching
myself from outside, either up above the back from above my shoulder, or
up in the corner of a room looking down at me on my bed.
I had that a lot. The changes in perception were things like seeing things
very very far away, as if through a telescope, and then zooming in
very close. So if somebody was near me, I would zoom in with
my eyes as if it like a microscope, and get closer and closer,
and see millions of like wrinkles as if they were really old people, you
know, and very strange things. Also, which I think is quite common
for children, is waking up and feeling that I wasn't in my own room,
that I was in a different room, maybe a different time. So
these were all the kind of what I would call hallucinations that I had as
a child, and I quite enjoyed these things. Actually they were. They
were part of my imagination, which was very lively. Anyway, they were
quite enjoyable. But this is unusual, you know, this is quite fun.
But the main hallucination I'm saying hallucination, which might offend some of your
listeners. But I'm not really sure what a vision might be. Another word,
another thing I saw when I was around about nine or ten years old.
My mother had a very narrow, dark back garden which was full of
trees, and thinks she planted herself apple trees, rowing trees. It was
very thick, thick with vegetation. As a small charge we could you could
almost get lost in it, even though it wasn't very big, you know.
And I'd go out into the garden night, especially when there was a
moon, and I'd stand there for many minutes looking up at the sky,
and the only light behind me would be the kitchen window because the street lights
didn't reach over into this garden, so it was really nice and dark,
and I'd look up at the sky and i'd see these things, which I
can only describe as shoals of silver fish. Just like you know, you
look up the sky and your eyes have to adjust and you gradually see more
and more stars in the night sky if you nowhere near a street lamp,
and I'd start to see these things moving around, not ultra fast, about
the same speed as a satellite going over. But this was in the late
sixties, so there weren't that many satellites. But they didn't travel in a
straight line right across the sky. They can as zig zag backwards and forwards
between the stars. Sometimes there was single ones, sometimes they were in pairs,
sometimes they were in small groups, and sometimes they were in quite large,
like I said, like a should of a fish, And they would
go towards the moon and then away from the moon, and backwards and forwards
soon And I'm sure a lot of people hearing this can think of all kinds
of explanations with it. Again, maybe being in a mild hypnotic self induced
state, I thought maybe I was pinching the nerve on the back of my
neck, which can make you feel a bit dizzy. And I'm sure people
will say, well, there could be natural explanations for this. Maybe it
was birds high up in the skycatching light somehow. But to me, they
didn't seem like any anything I'd ever seen before. I was absolutely mesmerized by
this, and I used to shout out to my mum kind and see what
I can see come out into the garden, and she wouldn't. She was
always busy, you know, so she either ignored me or I'm imagining that
I was calling out to her. So those were the weird things I saw
when I was a child, and my audio and radial constnations went on up
until my early teenage years. They tapered off when I went to school because
the stress of being at school got more and more and probably drew these things
out of my brain. Audio hallucinations I had, they were tended to be
typical. Again, I don't want to offend anybody, but typical shits of
hallucinations where you hear voices are abusing you or calling your name, but not
in a nice way, in a nasty way, that sort of thing,
you know. So that was what I experienced as a child, and then
I didn't have too many in the next three decades, really because work and
adult life and all the stress of adult life got in the way. I'm
also going to mention that at the age of sixteen, I was sectioned into
a psychiatric hospital and told that I was diagnosed with personality disorder and I was
there for six months and I was incredibly happy in there. It was wonderful.
It was like freedom for a child that age. You know, school,
there's a new friends, beautiful landscape, gardens, all that sort of
thing. And I was told in there, not by doctors, but by
nurses on the ward that I had these oral and visual hallucinations because my brain
I was a massive stress. You know, I come from a fairly dysfunctional,
abusive family. And that was the explanation I was given. And I
accepted that explanation. You know. They said, oh, your brain's heated
up with all the stress, and this is what happens. And as you
recover and calm down, you won't you won't have these things. And that
was more or less true. They tapered off as I went into being a
young adult, so I only started having these experiences again in the late two
thousands, two thousand and tens, so that was in two and eighteen.
It was I've got this written down in great detail. It was in broad
day night. It was an early Sunday evening round about five plot in the
autumn, I think about August twenty eighteen. And the reason I have to
say, I think is because I destroyed all my records of this that had
the date stamp on it, because I was so embarrassed and confused and freaked
out by this, and I tried very hard to find out if anybody else
had done it. I even wrote to the police and asked them if there
were weird drones in the area or anything like that, and they got They
got as far as sending me a form that you could fill out the details
forum, and at that stage I just abandoned it. I thought, this
is crazy and I'm going to be so embarrassed by all this if it got
out anywhere. And also at the time, Nick I did try to contact
a couple of UFO websites but didn't get any replies back from them, so
yeah, I abandoned it. So this sighting took place on Clifton Downs,
which is a big open space in the restore which a lot of people might
know. You can walk right over it and have a good look of the
Avon Gorge and the Bristols Suspension Bridge that would sort of orient people to where
it is. And I called my sighting the Clifton Drone because I didn't know
what else to call it. And like I say, I asked my friends.
I asked people who were even one of my friends is actually on the
local city council and elected official. I asked her if she had heard anything
about it. Nobody had seen anything about it. It wasn't in the press.
It wasn't in the media. So I'd been for a walk across the
downs because my oarsitis wasn't too good at that time, and I tried to
walk a couple of miles and then a couple of miles back from my house
and I was walking back across I have sent you illustrations showing the positioning of
this thing and what it looked like everybody around me. There was a lot
of people ordered downs, mostly going home because it was a Sunday evening,
so they were all heading off the downs. Not a single person was looking
at the sky. Every single person was looking at their phones. Obviously there
were cars, quite a lot of people around, but nobody looking at And
as I was walking back towards the main road, I looked across to my
left and above the tree line, I saw what I thought at first was
a hawk hanging in the air, and I instantly thought to myself that that
can't be a hawk at this distance. A small hawk I probably wouldn't even
see. Also, I know for a fact that I see loads of birds
when I'm out on country walks. They don't hang, They have to flutter
to stay in one place. They don't actually hang. They're not moving at
all. It wasn't moving in the wind. There was a gentle, well
I say gentle, a brisk breeze coming from my right towards this thing,
and it wasn't moving. So a bird, even if it was trying to
horver, it would move around with the wind, you know, I thought,
And I still I kind of half thought it was a bird, and
I was walking towards it, and it seemed to keep pacing me. As
I approached the road, it seemed to come more and more overhead. So
I ended up looking straight up at it, and at that time I was
able to really assess what it was I was seeing, and it seemed to
be about maybe two or three hundred feet up in the air. It was
above a nearby office blot, which was pretty tall, so that's what I
was basing on. It was above that height. I kept walking towards it,
staring up at the sky. And what really confused me was nobody else
around me was looking up at the sky at this thing. Nobody sort of
came by me and said, what on earth are you looking at? Because
I must have looked really strange walking along and just constantly looking up at this
thing. And then I was quite near the road, so quite near a
busy road with traffic, and I looked up straight up and it was almost
as if it was right above me. And I'll tell you what it looked
like the most. It looked like those wooden birds that you see on Indian
totem poles, with the wings straight out to the side. So in all
this time it had never moved against the wind. It had kind of kept
pace with me and then come overhead. But it hadn't The wind wasn't touching,
it wasn't drifting, I wasn't doing anything like that. So that was
already weird enough. But then the weirdest thing was that as I carried on
looking up at it and my eyes adjusted to it, coming down from it,
like as if they were dangling down on two wires, were two little
linking blue lights, like little any d light, and at that point I
thought, this thing is aware of me, and there's something about it.
It's actually looking at me, or it's aware of me, and not that
I snapped out of it. I knew it was still there, but I
thought, if I carry on the walking home, my normal walk home from
here, when I get to the other side of that office building, I
might have a different view of it. So that's what I did. I
walked across the road, I started going down a hill, and then I
turned round and looked again, and it still hadn't drifted much with the wind.
I mean, it started to move southwest, but again the wind,
as it was going across the wind rather than with the wind. And here's
another weird part of this sighting it. As I was seeing it from a
different angle. Instead of looking like a bird, as if you were seeing
it from underneath, it was now becoming a more classic V shape that you
might see a goal with its wings up lying in the air, And it
was more silhouetted and further away. And as I stood there, and again
it was a busy road. There were cars going by. An elderly couple
who were walking up the road stopped and said oh are you looking at it
too? And we stood there and had a conversation about it, which is
one of the strangest conversations I've ever had in my life, because they said
to me, oh, we've just come from the Cambridge Pub. Now,
the Cambridge Pub was literally two hundred yards away up hill around the corner,
which I knew that pub, and they said, there's a whole crowd of
people watching it. Somebody's even getting binoculars to see if they can study it
further, you know. So we stood together and watched this thing, and
we had a discussion of what we thought it could possibly be, and our
ideas about it were mad. When I look back on it, it was
a mad conversation. We were saying things like, oh, maybe it's something
the university have sent up to Chester to sess whether conditions or could it be
tethered to that building by a long invisible wire. And it was crazy because
the teller, if there was a tether, would have had to be aback
at this point about quarters from hour long for the way this thing had started
moving southward, and we just watched it in complete amusement. In the end
they gave up. We said, well, I wonder if it would be
on the news sort of thing. And we carried on walking our separate ways,
and this thing was still visible to me as I was walking home,
still hadn't traveled with the wind, and it had now took on the classic
V shape of a bird. But I'm big, I mean, I'm estimating
this thing is about the size of a bus in the sky. And I
finally lost sight of it when it seemed to drift upwards into low clouds.
So at no point did it, at no point did it increase its speed
or rush off anywhere, or it just as if it was literally up in
the air. And then it gradually went into low clouds, and that was
the end of my sighting. And I think I got home. I said
to my husband, you never believe this weird thing I've seen. And then
after I processed it the next day, I did draw some sketches where i'd
seen it, what it looked like. And I tell you that all the
things it wasn't. It wasn't a black bag floating in the sky. It
wasn't a bird, it wasn't a drone, it wasn't a Chinese lantern,
it was it was none of those things. It was. It was and
I don't know if flying object in the shape of a bird, which the
only reason it changed its shape was because of the angle I was looking at
it, and I when it was above the building, I estimated it about
the size of a butt in the sky, not a big bus, something
like a minibus. And I tried afterwards. So there was nothing on media
about it at all. Nothing, And yet I'd had this experience of meeting
other people who'd seen it, and they told me, I hope pub full
of people had watched it. That was it. And like I said,
I actually deleted the timestamped evidence that I have of this thing because I was
really quite embarrassed about this. I thought, this is crazy. If I
know has heard of it or seen it. So that was my uphos sighting
in twenty eighteen. What made me revisit it and get in touch with you
was when the Americans released all their euphos stuff from that their navy sightings,
and there was one they said was rotated and it actually looked like the shape
of this thing I saw, so a rigid winged bird shape. And logically,
if you believe in euphos being craft of some kind or robots of some
kind orbiting us or you know, mapping us or something. And logically a
bird shape is the one you might choose because it would be the least noticeable.
And certainly none of the people around me were even bothering to look up
at the sky, and to me, this thing was just so bizarre I
had to look up at it. It had really caught my attention. So
that was what happened to me in twenty eighteen. Neck. That's wonderful,
Stella, Maybe quite quite nervy talking about that. Actually are revisiting again,
you know, really really strange experience, you know, and most of my
guests relive as soon as they started speaking, it'd be like, I haven't
thought about this in years. Oh good, I think. I just wanted
to say how long the sighting seemed to take from when I first saw it,
So when I was walking home and saw it going into the clouds was
a good three quarters of an hour. It was a long sighting. And
what was most bizarre about it was that it wasn't just me that I met
this olderly couple and we stood and talked about it, and that they told
me a load of other people were watching it, and yet there was nothing
in the news or anything the next day or any time I've tried googling it,
you know, I've tried looking all over the internet for yous of similar
shape and size. Nothing, absolutely nothing. There's hardly any accounts of bird
like euphos, except when you had Mike Flanand on the Owl Man, and
he sees a relationship between ours and euphos. But I'm not sure that he's
ever seen eupho in the shape of an owl, you know, but he
certainly thinks birds and euphos have got a connection. And it seemed very personal
to me. I mean not at any point did any other passers by stop
and say, what on earth are you looking at? Not even when I
was standing with these two people on the street talking about it and looking at
it and pointing at it. And that was very weird. And again,
it was almost like being in hypnotic state, almost as if we were invisible
everything else, the cars and everything else, everybody, cyclists, people going
by without taking any notice. I have talked to this to another podcaster,
but without actually being on her podcast, and she specializes in fairies in folklore,
and she immediately said to me, oh, with this old couple,
was there anything weird about them? Did? They seem completely human? And
I kind of felt she was trying to shoehorn that into her own field of
research, because no, to me, they were just normal people who said,
oh, we've just come from the Cambridge pub. I thought there was
nothing out of the ordinary about them at all. They were just as amazed
at this thing as I was, you know, and we were trying to
think of what it could possibly be. What I think it did is that
it opened me up to starting to have experiences again. And it coincided,
or it almost coincided with a big change in my life, radical change in
my life, because very soon after that, I used hypnosis to give up
my alcoholism. I'd I'd been an alcoholic all my adult life. It actually
started in my school school day years, where I would spend my school dinner
money on beer, if you can believe it. So, and that wasn't
it wasn't actually discouraged by my family because they brewed boos at home, made
wine at home. But this was not an uncommon thing to do back in
the sixties and seventies. People did this to save money. But yeah,
so I was suffered from alcoholism, yeah, all my adult life, and
I gave it up using hypnotism probably about a month after having this sighting.
And I know this other researcher I was just mentioning. Yeah, her name's
Joe Hickey Hall and she runs the Modern Fairy Sightings podcast. She always asked
her guests if there was anything life changing that was going on at the time
they had their sightings. And I think that's a very interesting aspect sometimes.
Yeah, sometimes people will say no, nothing at all, and other people
say, yeah, major things, you know. And in my case,
I think this sighting kind of opened me up to using hypnosis. I think
I had used it briefly for anxiety when I was in a job where we
were under loads of pressure and everybody was afraid of being sacked all the time.
I had briefly gone to a hypnotist and used the CD which helped reduced
anxiety at work. But that was all I'd used it for in the past.
But after this experience, I was much more open to it and started
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also, in the last two or three years, I have had other experiences
which are all part of this phenomenon, this worldwide phenomenon. I don't know
whether you think these things are all connected, but clearly some of your guests
have said so, and other researchers kind of think so that things like uphos,
cryptids, fairies, and ghosts, perhaps they're all kind of on a
continuum and they're all part of the same phenomena in some way that has grown
up alongside human beings. So you could take a completely materialistic aspect and say
they actually exist, and they exist on this earth as a kind of ecology
that has grown up alongside us, and sometimes we see them and sometimes we're
unaware of them. You could say that, or you could say that it's
part of our what the human brain creates, and we can all share it
somehow. So some of the other things that I've experienced in recent years have
been I've had a big cat sighting British big cat sighting which I managed to
take hotel of which was just a little blob in the distance, so didn't
prove anything one or the other very interesting, and I'm not sure whether they
qualify as are crypted anymore because there's more and more physical evidence that they might
actually exist. But I had one of those. I've had that thing about
hearing explosive noises in the distance when you're again when you're half awake in the
small hours of the morning. I've had that. If you google that,
it's supposed to affect middle aged women more than anybody else. I don't know
whether your viewers would agree with that. And you had a recent guest on
who was called a rescue medium who talked about astro spiders. Now astro spiders,
I mean that was one of your scariest episodes. Actually, anybody who's
got a rachnophobia, which I've had all my life, the idea that you
might see these monstrous things in a state of being half awake. Yeah,
I've had that. I went through a period of that. Probably in my
thought is where just before I woke up, I just took this this was
a sort of horrible, nightmarish thing that won't me up simply because I have
normal racophobia. But after listening to her on your podcast, I'm not so
sure, you know, because it only happened for a few months and then
it was gone. And here's another weird thing. After having those experiences,
my fear of real spiders has been much reduced, you know. I'm not
I used to be. I literally couldn't be in the same room. I'd
have to leave the room and get somebody else to deal with it. But
now I'm not too bad. I can't I'm afraid I can't trap them in
a jar or anything. So I wonder if having these experiences in some way
neutralizes either opens you up to another ability, or neutralizes fears or habits.
Maybe I'm not sure what you would think about that. My other opinion about
it, which I formed because I'm an artist and I do do lots of
fantasy art, and I've always been fascinated on as to how we can't project
if you like the things we have in our brains to somebody else through the
medium of writing or artwork. And I mentioned that Order of the Rings earlier
on, and I think that's very important because a lot of people who grew
up in the sixties and seventies grew up with that book. It was for
a long time, it was Britain's number one favorite book. In the Waterstones
used to do an annual pole and it always came out on top, and
a lot of the academia really looked down their nose at this. They thought
this was the clubs, you know, choosing their favorite book. But yeah,
it was massively influential and popular, and one before any of the movies
were made. You could talk to somebody about The Lord of the Rings and
they had exactly the same pictures in their mind reading it that you had.
And it was almost as if he was just his ability to project into your
head what he was seeing as he wrote about it. I've always been fastnated
by that. I'm I'm fascinated by a phenomena called similar crumb, which is
where we see faces and things connected to human beings in natural in the natural
world, so in like clouds, trees, stones, And it's so easy
to do this if you go out, just go out on a walk anyway,
it's just around your neighborhood and say I'm going to look for some an
acrum. You will see some. There's no question you will see some.
You will see two or three of them on an average walk around a neighborhood
or looking at various trees. I can guarantee it. You know, it's
so easy. And I wonder if that was one of the reasons our ancestors,
you know, grew up with this idea that there were spirits in all
natural things, because you can see human faces in so many things. I've
even done a little video about this on my YouTube channel. So that's it,
really Nick, It seems to be voting me up to having other experiences.
I've recently had a personal life aggression first time ever, and that's a
very different form of hypnosis to just relaxing hypnosis. Again, it kind of
reinforces my idea that a lot of this is the human mind creating things,
and I don't think we're anywhere near anywhere near imitating the human mind. What
people are calling artificial intelligence today is literally just increasing computer speed computer power,
that's all it is. It's not We're never going to get near imitating the
human brain in all its complexity, and I don't think we're ever going to
understand. And the more and more people that are on the Earth who are
actually getting on from nine billion now, in fact, the brain power of
all these people. You could say, yeah, nowadays, the internet's got
a lot to do with it because we're all interconnected. But long before the
Internet, people were seeing the same kind of things, they had the same
kind of beliefs all over the world. So this is more like the human
brain. And that by saying that, I don't want to offend any because
I don't want anybody to think I'm blittening it. I'm certainly not belittening my
own experiences or other people's. This is just as real as your normal waking
life. I'm sure it's just as real. I'm very very open minded as
to what could cause it all. But I do lean towards it being part
of like a by project if you like that human consciousness. So I hope
I haven't offended anybody with that. Nick, don't be silly, stilly,
like I said, everyone's entire to the opinion, and this is what it's
all about, trying to learn. We have to look at everything. We
can just put all this in just one box. We have we have to
understand that the brain is extremely complicated, as there so much we do not
understand about it. And there is definitely a connection you know, one consciousness
and all that. These are not just physical things we're seeing until we have
hundred percent answers. You know, We're obviously always going to speculate in stuff,
but that is how we learn and grow, explore every possibility. Because
what I've noticed with your guests and guests on other podcasts about Strange Things is
that everybody's experience is completely unique to them. It almost as if it's tailored
to them and their personality. Almost you know, you're right there. There
are so many connections. Obviously on this show, I don't have a particular
agenda, so I never say you know exactly what you saw was aliens.
Don't do that on this show because, like you said, everyone's account is
personal to them, and every somehow everything is connected. And I'm not one
hundred percent sure, but it is all connected. And I have a lot
of my guests that exactly like you you know, you were dealing with something
at the time when you had your experiences. Is there a connection? They
very well could be a connection, you know, because I've had people going
through different things, childhood trauma, and then there's these experiences. Well,
I think what you're doing is really important because you're collecting all these experiences and
you're keeping a kind of record of them, and it's just ordinary people or
telling you. It's not people who have studied it in the past, particularly,
you know, people who have been born in different times, like I
grew up in the sixties which was the Flower Paria, and then the seventies
which was all really things about aliens and EUPHO has really exploded in the seventies
there was especially in the West Country down here in England, there was lots
of UPHO sightings. So maybe the era we grew up in as well,
which opens us up to this. You know, the experiences I've had over
the last two or three years, which since my UPHO sighting, they're not
down to I can assure your listeners, they're not down to psychiatric orders.
They're not down to alcohol. It's almost as if having that sighting allowed me
to have other experiences, your early childhood ones. I mean, obviously,
back in those days, a lot of people were sent to these institutions and
they didn't really know. They always labeled, They always stuck a label on
you because they've figured that's the answer. But a lot of people have these
visions. I probably wouldn't say hallucinations because to me it sounds very complex.
The ones that you were haveing you know, you were seeing people from a
distance, differences in my eyesight, perception and yeah, as well as as
well as these strange things I saw at night in the night sky. Yeah,
yeah, they were different. And the falling dreams, I know you've
had people on and so I've heard on another pod that has been linked with
some people to UPHA abduction stories. Feeling that you're falling as soon as you
shut your eyes in bed, as if you're falling through the universe. You
know, that was how it seemed to me, you know, and it's
pretty frightening, actually, that's right. And they've always you know, people
have always said that, you know, when you wake up and your leg
jolts, you know, some people say that you're or you're in a dream
state and you're having and that a body experience. You know, you're actual
projecting and that's just you jumping back into your body. Possibly, you know,
like your experiences when you're younger could be you know, you're at the
age early teenage years. It could be that you were tapping into something something
that we have or things that we were able to do in our past.
You know, maybe you were just tapping into psychic abilities. Well, certainly
seeing myself from outside as I was cycling and also when I was in bed,
that's pretty common, I believe, you know a lot of people have
that. And again that's a sort of altered perception, isn't it. There
is you know, the phenomena of people being able to throw their voice,
which people used to do as a stage show with dummies. Why can't we
throw our eyesight as well? You know, And so maybe that's connected to
astro traveling. And yeah, I've had guests on the past that have been
walking beside themselves, have seen themselves from a distance as they're actually awake,
you know, they're going side. Yeah, I was away when I was
cycling to school and I had the experiences. Yeah, so I didn't really
talk to anybody about all this when I was a child, I thought everybody,
oh, everybody has these, you know, and it did stop for
a while. It stopped because all the business of adult life working, and
I was also alcoholic, and I had lots of trauma in my adult life
as well. That all drives it out. I think that all drives it
out. You're no longer you haven't no longer got the time that you had
when you were a child, and then you've only got the time again later
on in life when perhaps you cut down your working house. I had early
retirement three years ago now, which obviously has allowed me to do things like
get out into the countryside more and revisit some of these interests I had in
the past, so, you know, obviously a lot more open to it.
I think that happens to a lot of people. You know, the
ordinary business of daily life just drives a lot of this out out of our
minds. Yeah. Yeah, I think when we turn into adults we lose
a lot of things when we're a child, you know, it's whether it's
being subdued or numbed. Daily grind and there's there's a stress of having to
make money and provide for your families. Whereas children you know, they they're
very they're free. You know, everything is everything is good, everything is
exciting. Adulthood well, I think I think I was very lucky in the
here I grew up in, because I said, my mum was very open
to allowing me to She was rich, she was fascinated by all science fictionally
stuff herself and things like fairies and ghosts, and she was quite open,
happy to talk. She used to share the books she was reading. We
used to share books about like mostly science fiction and stuff together, so that
you know, that was very open minded. She loved The Lord of the
Rings as well. I feel I was lucky to have grown up in that
era before the Internet, where we had to use our imaginations a lot more.
But I am the same their days gone, And of course Lord of
the Rings is a wonderful book. I also read that when I was a
kid. Yeah, he was tapping into genuine British you know, the Celtic
era, the Ango Saxon era. He was actually tapping into genuine historical history
and incorporating it, you know, in his kind of imaginary world that he
created. So it was familiar and it was very familiar to as people have
said, it's the best known not about England, because it was all set
in the English countryside almost, you know. And his imagination was amazing.
I mean he wrote this in the trenches, didn't he in the trenches of
World War and he would be writing these and he would come up with languages
and characters absolutely amazing. I don't think there's any of her all for like
it. No, and still isn't, you know. I mean, as
a point of principle, I've never watched the films. You know, there
used to be a thing on Radio fourk cord. I've never I've never seen
Star Wars one. In my case, it's I've never seen the Lord of
the Rings films because I'm a I'm a purist, you know. I didn't
like the way they cut large chunks out of the books, and it would
spoil everything about my own vision of the books. You know, I agree,
because once you watch it as a movie, and it happens with a
lot of books, you're they're obviously projecting their imagery and what they perceive and
their characters. I don't need that. I just want talking's visions, thanks
very much. You don't. I don't want anybody else's vision or you know,
there's nothing like reading the book and you've created that vision or the characters
created it, but the writer has somehow projected that out into the world which
you're picking up. You're creating it with the right and I feel the same
as an artist. I illustrate people's books where they self published on the internet.
I illustrate books and it tends to be a strong fantasy, science fiction
emphasis. And yeah, so I'm you're in a creative relationship with the person
in the actual author, and it's it's not just a contract. It's not
just though I'm hiring you to illustrate my books. It's not like that.
You're you're working alongside them to produce images. Question about that, now,
when when someone comes to you to illustrate a book, would you read the
book first? No. I asked them to pick out paragraphs that they want
illustrated, and I asked them to be as specific as possible. You know,
I am trying to get into their head. I am trying to do
exactly what they see. So yeah, I don't read the whole book.
No. I asked them for a sentence or their idea of what the scene
should look like. It's it is a collaboration. It's it's not just though
I'm contracted to do something and that It's always been like that. Yeah,
that's what I do when I'm not just enjoying my semi retirement. And I
suppose it also if the if the rider is a good rider, you know,
proper rider, then it would probably be a lot easier because you know
they are projecting this imagery into India imagination. Do you actually believe there is
something kind of telepathic going on. That's why I've said to you, I
think this whole creative impulse and that's what I think is connected to phenomena as
well, and I include everything in that ghosts, new phospherries, cryptids.
There's something that is our brains are connected in some way. Nick, Yeah,
it's it's like the World Wide Web, isn't it the way everyone like
our computers are connected now, And I think it is the same with the
brains, and they are a pale imitation of what the human brain is actually
doing, a pale imitation. And I'm not saying that just purely as an
ordinary average person thinking about this. I do I am in contact with a
lady in this country who's a professor of airoon robotics at a British university.
And she tells me the same thing that nothing you see, you know,
robots leaping around a gymnasium, this sort of thing. She said, nothing
you see is genuine. You know, they would have took weeks and weeks
and weeks to take that few seconds of film because the things kept falling over
or something, you know. And she goes to conferences on AI and robotics,
international conferences. I believe she's telling the truth, you know, and
she says they are nowhere near what they tell you. And most of what
you hear about AI and robotics is because these companies are bidding for funds,
bidding for grant money for their research. That is interesting. Yeah, yeah,
And I'm not saying it out blue. I'm saying it because I have
personal contact with somebody who's in that field, quite high up in that field
as well. It's a scary thing. I mean, even the AI images
these days, some of them are so good, you know, people think
they're actually seeing a real image or a real photograph, but they're not.
Well, I'll be honest, most of the stuff I see on social media
that are supposed to be these deep fakes. I feel I can easily see
that it's it's not real. But I am looking at it with an artist's
sigh, I suppose. But I can easily pick them out. Yeah,
i'd imagine you can. But of course to the end trained eye and people
which are just flicking down their phone saying, oh that's real, that's real.
Yeah. Yes, there's a tremendous lack of seeing everything on screens and
only knowing works of literature from our movies. Is it's dumbed everybody down.
Definitely, it's dumbed down our imagination. It's dumbed down our ability, you
know, to look at artwork and see it properly. It also makes you
wonder if any of that is deliberate, if we're intentionally dumbed down. Oh
yeah, I think it probably is. I mean, you know, happy
happy slaves, isn't it? You know exactly, It's like the old coliseum
isn't in Rome where they used to keep people entertained with games and well,
exactly, the Internet is our modern version of bread and circuses. So you
know, definitely people do need to I say this quite often, you know,
people need to leave the Internet and TV and everything that's being pumped into
you and just go out to nature and express express yourself, you know,
whether it's through art or just hiking, you know, things simple as that.
But people definitely need to switch off sometimes and connect with the things that
are outside. Look up, look at what's around you, because I feel
we have definitely lost we lost that and we just seem to be I know,
people which are just plugged into the internet constantly. It's a very limited
way of living, isn't it very limited? You know, they'd be just
as happy in in a jail cell, wouldn't they. Yeah, there is,
you know, there is a connection between you know, when someone has
a site in and them personally. You know, I don't believe that every
site in some you know people have are just flybys, you know, just
they just observe something. I think there is definitely a connection, and there
would definitely a reason why they're sitting at that time. There's a reason why
the people all around you didn't look up and didn't witness and just simply weren't
interested. Because if I see someone looking up, I want to know what
they're looking at. I would as well. I would as well, that's
what really surprised me. It was almost, like I said, all the
way through, kind of like being in a mild hypnotic state because nobody around
me was taking any notice. In the past, we've called this alien apathy.
It's like you're having this experience, but the next person, the person
around you, just not interested. It's like I wouldn't necessarily say it's only
for you, because I you know, I simply don't know. But you
know, there were others that saw it, Yes, I met. I
met others as I as I walked away from where it was overhead, because
that was my thought. I walked to the other side of that building because
it's on my way home anyway, and maybe I'll see it from another angle,
get more than idea what it is, you know. And at that
point I met two people who also saw it, and we stood an ad
a conversate and mad conversation about it. We didn't have a clue what it
could possibly be. All those eyes can work out what it was. And
the time that you saw it, which was a while, you know,
wasn't a short, quick brief sighting you You saw it for a while,
so you know, we can definitely discount drones because they have limited batteries in
any case. Well, also, I'm sure there's rules about harding over like
heavily built up areas with drones. Anyway, I'm sure that you wouldn't be
allowed to do it. And that's that's one of the reasons I talked to
this old couple. We were saying things like, oh, could it be
the university doing something? Well, believe me, Nick, if Bristol University
had been doing something like that would be all over the news because they'd be
so proud of their achievement whatever it was they were doing, you know,
or they'd want to warn the public if you see this strange thing in the
sky, don't worry, it's it's our research department doing something, or you
know, it wouldn't not be in the media, especially if it was a
size of a minibus. For me, it was about that size up in
the sky. Yeah. Yes, So I have not had any other youth
experiences since then. I do feel that I might have had a glimpse of
this thing a few years before, in about two thousand and thirteen, and
again it was but only briefly, and it was an when I was under
a lot of stress because I'd started jogging. Actually for my health. I'd
started jogging, which is very difficult for me because I got arthritis, I'm
disabled in other ways. This particular day, it was again, it was
the middle of the day, it was a Saturday. I'd managed to jog
about four miles, which was a huge distance for me, big achievement,
and I'd literally lie down on this bench to recover. Looked straight up at
the sky. This was down by Bristol Docks, and saw a brown thing
like a giant bird, just traveling again fairly slowly between the clouds and then
disappearing. And I'm wondering, I am seriously wondering if it was the same
thing, And that brief memory came back to me when I was thinking about
this for this podcast. I might have caught a glimpse of it before.
And what does that say to you? Does that say that here is a
real euthho busy orbiting the earth, or does it say this is something peculiar
to me? But it was just me that saw it this time. But
yeah, I do have a slight feeling that I've seen something before. And
I'm not the sort of person who would mistake this for birds, because I'm
a I'm quite a birdwatcher, you know, I'm very good at identifying British
birds, especially our big ones are hawks and buzzards and things. There's a
lot of them I see when I'm out on my country walks, and I
could not mistake them for this thing. If I had got as far as
filling out the police form, because they send you a form to put the
details down to whatever it was you saw, I didn't. I decide,
no, I just can't go through with this. But I would have left
out the detail about the little dangly blinking nights hanging down of fit that to
me was just too bizarre. And I have a feeling that a lot of
people do this. You know a lot of people do not come forward with
this this strange stuff, because I'd have a guest on and they say,
you know, this also happened to me, but would you not put it
in because it doesn't make sense? And you know, I taught to say,
you know, I understand it doesn't make sense to you, and it
probably won't make a sense to a lot of people. But you saw this,
You saw this, and it is important. So I I think a
lot of people. They were happy to a degree. You know that people
are happy to report classic sitings and things that can be accepted, but leave
out the things which they don't believe will be accepted. And I do think
that it's equally as important because it's again it's another little piece of the puzzle,
and if multiple people around the world are having these experiences with this one
particular thing, it's something else to add to the table. Well, like
when I said I have had a big cat sighting, it's exactly what I've
said to you before, Nick. I felt as if I was in a
state of hypnosis what I was having it which is not which can be easily
explained in physiological terms that if you if you saw a predator, you would
freeze, right, we are prey animals would probably freeze, maybe put ourselves
into a light hypnotic state to try and stay still. So that can be
explained quite easily, because a lot of people mentioned that when they've seen these
creatures that they freeze, you know, and my sighting wasn't good enough for
I did send it off to a Rickmanter who does big cat conversations. He
was very interested, but he obviously my photograph wasn't good enough as evidence.
They're out. They're a bit out on a limb. They're a bit of
an outlier actually, because there's a lot of evidence that they could be real.
If you listen to his next podcast, he's going to talk in detail
about the most recent DNA evidence, which is pretty conclusive. So seeing British
big cats is not in the same not in the same realm perhaps as seeing
bigfoot. You know, because British big cats could be real. There has
been taught for many years that a lot of people would have these as pets
and they would get too much from and release them. I mean we've had
even in the Cotswolds sightings are big cats. So yeah, there is possible.
But an interesting thing is actually when you when you said that, you
you know, you froze. I think there's a belief when some kind of
bridge real animals, they are able to give off a signal and energy to
do this to stun their prey. There's something I've heard before when it comes
to bigfoot sightings, where people have had experiences with bigfoots before they see something,
they have this feeling. That's interesting. You say that because one of
the things Joe Hall asked her guests on the Very podcast is did you make
eye contact with it? Or did it make eye contact with you? She's
always asked that question as if it's really important. So again, there's that
hypnosis element to it, you know, and you were sort of sort of
there and staring at it in amusement, aren't we? It's m Yeah,
there's definitely something like that. There's definitely something like that going on. I'm
not saying, I'm not saying all your phos are predatory, but that we
react to them in that way. Is the connection something is making with us.
In a past guest I had before she was she was in her house,
in fact, she was another artist. She was in her house and
she had the massive urge to go outside, go outside and look up.
And sure enough she went outside, looked up and saw the subject. So
you know, when people are having these experiences, there is a connection made
from point A to point B. Yeah, very personal. It's very personal,
isn't it. We're we now eight nine billion people? Is that eight
to nine billion different experiences that we could all have? You know? Also,
the thing with all these people, you know, women, they do
mass meditation sessions across the world. Things do happen, and it's the same
with people have to stay in balance and they have to be be happy and
project this energy and positivity and all that. And again, if if the
whole world connects the nine billion, eight billion, nine billion old people did
this, the world would be a very different place. You know, this
energy is positivity. Well, this is where it's so important for people like
you are chronicling all this because this could all be evidence of how we can
in to connect with one another. And I think that will be our future.
We have had many many dark days. You know, there is light
at that tunnel. It is possible. People need to connect. People need
to stop being divided. So people need to, you know, look at
what we are and what we are to this planet and to each other in
a very different way, going to be all connected to our our personal development.
Yeah, I mean, do you I mean do you think that some
of these visions that people or how whether it's you, fas or whatever it
is, could be part of their own healing in some way as well?
That It's like in my case, I do feel that it's opened me up
to having more experiences and it's it's opened me up to more self exploration.
You know, I do well done for getting over me alcoholism. You know,
it is very hard. That is a massive herd or which you've done.
And I've got you on video now and you look in the picture of
health, So congratulations. Yeah, I can assure you that being labeled as
having a personality disorder at the age of sixteen, we're talking about pretty primitive
days. In the mid seventies, still pretty primitive. They were still using
ect in hospitals. I think today that that wouldn't have happened. I think
they would have maybe gone down the road of giving me some sort of counseling
rather than giving me a psychiatric label. It just goes to show, doesn't
they. You know, you learn over time. You know, I've got
friends and I've I've had guests on here which are dealt with whether it's alcohol
or even drugs. You know, so never an easy thing to quit something
which is so ingrained with you. So we know, well done. And
anyone out there which is struggling with their own demons, you know, in
whichever format is, don't give up. Well, I would highly recommend hypnosis
to help with it. And I have tell you a podcast. I also
recommend to people this Terrain Theory, which is two guys from the States,
and it's that's all about natural health and helpfully living in stuff. And I
was on there and I was finally we were talking about hypnosis on there as
as a way of healing. You've got to qualify this and say it might
not work for everybody, and some people will be very resistant to it,
but I've found it hugely helpful. Yeah, you've just got to try things
and what can work for you. Not everything is going to work for everyone,
you know everyone you know people different, but definitely, but yeah,
if you give us a link to that and i'll i'll happily add that the
web page that will you know accompany this episode, and that was Terrain Theory.
And the other podcast is Modern Fairies Podcast, Modern Fairy the Modern Fairiesightings
Podcast. Right, Okay, I'll put a link to that as well,
and I will certainly check to that. I'm always interested and our listeners are
of new podcast. Thank you very much, Nick Stella. I really appreciate
you coming on and sharing that for our listeners. Thank you, Take care
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