WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.520 --> 00:00:04.960 Ithn't the way p. Seventeen Do you want to report a UFO thanking him? 2 00:00:05.320 --> 00:00:09.359 We don't want to report. Every thirty one do you wish to report 3 00:00:09.359 --> 00:00:15.640 a ufober and we weren't one of those? Every thirty one? Do you 4 00:00:15.640 --> 00:00:19.399 wish to find a report of any kind of it? I wouldn't know what 5 00:00:19.519 --> 00:00:25.480 kind of rey was cloud n every thirty one me neither. There seven one 6 00:00:25.480 --> 00:00:30.879 pup of golf good if it was above us to pass us, Like thirty 7 00:00:30.879 --> 00:00:37.960 seconds ago there said one pup of golf thinking it okay off a UFO yeah, 8 00:00:38.520 --> 00:00:43.560 and nine a floud yes if passed over by God. I don't know 9 00:00:43.600 --> 00:00:47.039 what it was, but it's from at least two three thousand feet above us. 10 00:00:47.039 --> 00:00:51.439 So ye, I passed right over the top of us. Ninety one 11 00:00:51.479 --> 00:01:00.320 one. We just called off to be before they're after stan airplane and it 12 00:01:00.479 --> 00:01:06.000 is actually hear, I swear to God. Cam in on unidentified object ever 13 00:01:06.079 --> 00:01:15.719 liberty more calm unidentified flying on Jack all right, welcome, Welcome to UFO 14 00:01:15.799 --> 00:01:22.560 Chronicles, a place where people share their experiences of the strange and unexplained. 15 00:01:23.799 --> 00:01:26.519 If you've had an encounter, I would like to be on the show. 16 00:01:26.280 --> 00:01:48.959 You can email me at UFO Chronicles at gmail dot com. Hello everyone, 17 00:01:49.000 --> 00:01:52.640 and welcome to this show. How are you all doing? I'm Nick Cancer 18 00:01:52.719 --> 00:01:56.480 and this is the UFO Chronicles podcast. We are starting off tonight with a 19 00:01:56.599 --> 00:02:00.879 voice admission from Paul in Cambridgeshire with a UFO sighting in November last year. 20 00:02:01.239 --> 00:02:07.400 Then following Paul, we speak to Stella in Bristol about her childhood experiences and 21 00:02:07.519 --> 00:02:12.919 a strange sighting in twenty eighteen of what looked to Stella like a bird on 22 00:02:13.039 --> 00:02:16.199 top of a totten bowl flying in the sky, and an encounter with a 23 00:02:16.319 --> 00:02:22.919 mysterious and elusive big cant Paul up next. But first, if you enjoy 24 00:02:23.000 --> 00:02:25.960 the show and you would like to help support the podcast on Patreon, you 25 00:02:27.000 --> 00:02:30.800 can do this for as little as one dollar a month. Head on over 26 00:02:30.879 --> 00:02:38.840 to www dot patreon dot com forward slash UFO Chronicles podcast. You can also 27 00:02:38.879 --> 00:02:43.520 find a link in a description of this episode below. Any help is very 28 00:02:43.599 --> 00:03:02.759 much appreciated. Now on with the show. Nick is poor here from Cambridgeshire 29 00:03:02.759 --> 00:03:07.879 again. I thought I share an experience I had in mid November last year 30 00:03:08.120 --> 00:03:13.080 where I was walking my dog about two minutes from my house and I was 31 00:03:13.120 --> 00:03:19.080 walking up the main street when not too high above the houses, I saw 32 00:03:20.159 --> 00:03:23.479 lights and then these craft. They were well I thought there were aeroplanes at 33 00:03:23.479 --> 00:03:28.360 first, but they looked too small to be aeroplanes. But they looked too 34 00:03:28.360 --> 00:03:31.599 big to be drones. But I think they probably were drones. And there 35 00:03:31.599 --> 00:03:39.840 were six of them in almost perfect circle, moving clockwise, just circling, 36 00:03:39.919 --> 00:03:45.159 which I found very strange. Iver seen that many craft in the skies above 37 00:03:45.199 --> 00:03:47.199 the houses before I walk every night my dog, and I've never seen that 38 00:03:47.240 --> 00:03:52.280 many in that certainly not in that circle shape, but not that many altogether. 39 00:03:52.360 --> 00:03:55.919 In one place. They were licked quite brightly by white and red lights, 40 00:03:55.960 --> 00:03:59.960 so that if we say, we'll call them drones, and drones themselves 41 00:04:00.120 --> 00:04:02.479 had a fixed wing going across the body, so there was a wing on 42 00:04:02.520 --> 00:04:08.319 each side of it, and across that wing were the red lights and they 43 00:04:08.319 --> 00:04:12.360 were quite bright. They weren't flashing, just red lights. And then from 44 00:04:12.400 --> 00:04:15.000 the end of the wings down to the back of the plane, I think 45 00:04:15.000 --> 00:04:18.079 probably on cables or something, because I couldn't see what they were attached to, 46 00:04:18.720 --> 00:04:23.040 there was the white lights, and they again weren't flashing, they were 47 00:04:23.079 --> 00:04:26.800 just white lights on so they formed a v going down from the wings, 48 00:04:26.839 --> 00:04:30.720 and the red lights formed a lion going across, making a triangle. As 49 00:04:30.720 --> 00:04:32.160 I say, they were quite bright. They caught my eye and they were 50 00:04:32.240 --> 00:04:36.000 moving, as I say, in a circle. They were equal distance apart 51 00:04:36.079 --> 00:04:40.360 from each other, and they were equal distance across from each other. And 52 00:04:40.480 --> 00:04:43.639 a sort of quite mesmerized by this, and was watching it and thinking, 53 00:04:44.279 --> 00:04:47.199 you know, this looks quite bizarre. And then I noticed in the center 54 00:04:47.199 --> 00:04:50.639 of this circle was another craft, and this craft was triangle. It was 55 00:04:50.720 --> 00:04:55.000 very black. It wasn't as bright as the others. I'm not quite sure 56 00:04:55.040 --> 00:04:58.000 why that was, because it seemed to be at the same height. It 57 00:04:58.079 --> 00:05:01.399 had free lights on it which were on the triangle. The tips of the 58 00:05:01.399 --> 00:05:04.959 triangle were knock down to a sharp point. They were sort of rounded off 59 00:05:04.959 --> 00:05:09.480 a bit. But those lights were moving on this craft. They were rotating, 60 00:05:09.480 --> 00:05:12.439 but the craft itself didn't seem to be moving. It was quite sure 61 00:05:12.480 --> 00:05:15.480 how it did it, but it was again that was even more bizarre. 62 00:05:15.680 --> 00:05:17.800 So I'm watching this, as I say, it's just not far maybe five 63 00:05:17.879 --> 00:05:21.480 hundred feet above the houses. It's very clear. And I got this, 64 00:05:21.680 --> 00:05:26.439 you know, quite when I saw this triangle well, I would say, 65 00:05:26.519 --> 00:05:29.800 so you bake classic UFO shape. I got a little bit nervous, so 66 00:05:29.800 --> 00:05:31.839 I sort of looked I was out in the open on the pathway. Now 67 00:05:31.839 --> 00:05:35.000 there is as you walk up this street, there's houses on the left hand 68 00:05:35.000 --> 00:05:39.040 side. On the right hand side across the road is a sort of wooded 69 00:05:39.079 --> 00:05:43.160 area that then goes into a children's park and sort of play area, and 70 00:05:43.199 --> 00:05:46.639 then there's houses beyond that side. And I suddenly felt the need that I 71 00:05:46.639 --> 00:05:49.959 should maybe get under those trees because I thought that they were going to something 72 00:05:50.040 --> 00:05:54.560 was going to happen between these craft, because clearly the craft in the middle 73 00:05:54.639 --> 00:05:59.720 was being encircled by these drones, and I wasn't quite sure what was going 74 00:05:59.759 --> 00:06:03.600 to happen. So all this probably lasted a minute or so while I'm watching 75 00:06:03.639 --> 00:06:08.480 all this happen, and then I looked at having got this sort of bad 76 00:06:08.519 --> 00:06:11.279 feeling about what was going to happen, and thinking that I should move. 77 00:06:11.560 --> 00:06:16.680 I then watched as the triangle craft then just disappeared. It didn't move, 78 00:06:16.720 --> 00:06:20.920 it didn't fly off in any direction, It just vanished. It just upstream, 79 00:06:21.000 --> 00:06:27.000 cloaked itself and disappeared. The six craft carried on circling for probably fifteen 80 00:06:27.040 --> 00:06:30.879 twenty seconds, and then they all broke off into different directions and obviously just 81 00:06:30.879 --> 00:06:34.199 started scattering around the skies and obviously looked to me like they were looking for 82 00:06:34.240 --> 00:06:38.560 this other craft that had gone. So I thought, right, okay, 83 00:06:38.600 --> 00:06:41.000 that's bizarre. I carried on my dog walk, and as you get to 84 00:06:41.000 --> 00:06:44.199 the top of this road, you can then turn left and the sky becomes 85 00:06:44.439 --> 00:06:46.800 much more of an expanse. You can see more of the skype from the 86 00:06:46.800 --> 00:06:48.439 top of there, because it's much more open. To my amazement, again, 87 00:06:48.519 --> 00:06:51.759 there was even more of these drones, so there must have been I 88 00:06:51.800 --> 00:06:57.160 would say twelve fifteen drones in the sky, all flying around. I could 89 00:06:57.160 --> 00:07:00.399 see him right across the sky, and they were clearly looking for this craft 90 00:07:00.480 --> 00:07:04.680 that had disappeared. So I continued my walk right away back. It was 91 00:07:04.680 --> 00:07:09.000 probably on a thirty minute walk by time I got home, And when I 92 00:07:09.040 --> 00:07:12.079 got back to the house, I could still see these crafts in a distance, 93 00:07:12.199 --> 00:07:15.560 still flying around, still obviously looking for what was going on or where 94 00:07:15.600 --> 00:07:18.160 this where this summer craft had gone. And I left it at that. 95 00:07:18.199 --> 00:07:20.560 I left them in the sky and I went in. But that wasn't the 96 00:07:20.680 --> 00:07:26.920 end of it. The next day, I was on my local Facebook page 97 00:07:27.600 --> 00:07:30.639 where they post anything about the village or whatever, and someone had posted as 98 00:07:30.680 --> 00:07:34.959 well that they had seen all this activity in the sky. They hadn't mentioned 99 00:07:35.000 --> 00:07:40.040 the triangle or the whether they were drones. They just somebody had gone out, 100 00:07:40.040 --> 00:07:42.639 I think, to smoke in their garden from what I can remember, 101 00:07:42.920 --> 00:07:46.040 and had noticed all these lights in the sky moving around and what the hell 102 00:07:46.120 --> 00:07:48.040 was going on sort of thing, And they posed this question, what was 103 00:07:48.040 --> 00:07:51.839 going on in the skies tonight? There's loads of craft all flying around. 104 00:07:53.319 --> 00:07:56.839 And then there was a number of people who had posted that they'd seen them, 105 00:07:56.959 --> 00:08:01.000 and that commented that they were even literary or police drones, which is 106 00:08:01.040 --> 00:08:05.639 quite possible because there weren't normal drones. It's definitely bigger than anything I've seen. 107 00:08:05.720 --> 00:08:07.360 And that was sort of a chatter. So I then sort of made 108 00:08:07.360 --> 00:08:09.480 some notes on this and thought, right, you know, obviously I want 109 00:08:09.519 --> 00:08:13.680 to share this on your podcast. So I went back to find this to 110 00:08:13.720 --> 00:08:16.680 get some screenshots and find this chat that was on there, and it's gone 111 00:08:16.879 --> 00:08:20.240 from Facebook, from the page, it's not anywhere. I couldn't find it 112 00:08:20.240 --> 00:08:24.759 and couldn't get any of the moderators who look after that page to find it 113 00:08:24.800 --> 00:08:28.000 either, So I'm not quite sure what happened to that, but it was 114 00:08:28.079 --> 00:08:31.919 definitely there that first night, that first morning, after morning, straight after 115 00:08:31.960 --> 00:08:35.799 it, but it was gone after that, so I'm not quite sure what 116 00:08:35.919 --> 00:08:39.080 happened with that. But yeah, that's that's really the most bizarre experience I've 117 00:08:39.080 --> 00:08:41.799 had for a long time. As you know, I've been on your show 118 00:08:41.799 --> 00:08:46.000 and talks about my other experiences from when I was younger. But that's happened, 119 00:08:46.000 --> 00:08:48.519 as I say, in November, so it's been pretty quiet since then. 120 00:08:48.600 --> 00:08:50.120 But if there's anything else so I'll share it with you. Keep up 121 00:08:50.120 --> 00:08:58.799 the great work on the podcast and thanks for your time. Hello Stella, 122 00:08:58.039 --> 00:09:01.799 Welcome to the show. Hello Nick, very nice to be here. It 123 00:09:01.960 --> 00:09:05.840 is great to have you on today. And you're calling from Bristol in the 124 00:09:05.919 --> 00:09:11.600 United Kingdom. Yeah, I am the gateway to the West, beautiful part 125 00:09:11.639 --> 00:09:13.960 of the world and close to where I'm from. That's great, Stella. 126 00:09:15.120 --> 00:09:18.000 Now, are you have some experiences to share? Would you like to start 127 00:09:18.000 --> 00:09:20.440 a beginning please, ma'am. Yeah, I, like a lot of your 128 00:09:20.480 --> 00:09:26.279 guests, I had a lot of experiences in early childhood which I never explained 129 00:09:26.279 --> 00:09:31.159 to myself. I just thought every child has these things, so I never 130 00:09:31.200 --> 00:09:35.600 really talked about them with anybody. But as a caveat to that, I 131 00:09:35.639 --> 00:09:41.080 would say that my mother encouraged me in a belief in the paranormal. She 132 00:09:41.200 --> 00:09:46.360 for example, she brought me up with books like The Flower Fairies Book and 133 00:09:46.960 --> 00:09:52.440 Arthur Rack Administrations of Fairies. It was very and if we went out for 134 00:09:52.480 --> 00:09:56.039 a family walk, she would they would she would point out things like little 135 00:09:56.080 --> 00:09:58.279 holes in the trees and say, oh, that's a fairy house, you 136 00:09:58.279 --> 00:10:05.600 know. And she was also an artist and her artwork was pretty magical scenery, 137 00:10:07.320 --> 00:10:09.399 so there was something going on there. But I never talked about that 138 00:10:09.440 --> 00:10:13.240 with her in depth. But she certainly encouraged me in the belief, or, 139 00:10:13.399 --> 00:10:16.840 let me put it in another way, she didn't She didn't trample on 140 00:10:16.679 --> 00:10:22.679 any of my notions or beliefs, which was really good. And yeah. 141 00:10:22.720 --> 00:10:26.679 So, and then when I got to be older, the older teenager, 142 00:10:26.159 --> 00:10:30.639 she shared with me all her books, which were lots of fantasy and science 143 00:10:30.639 --> 00:10:35.960 fiction. They bought The Lord of the Rings for me as an eight year 144 00:10:35.960 --> 00:10:41.039 old birthday present, for example, and we also watched a lot of fantasy 145 00:10:41.039 --> 00:10:43.759 television like Doctor Who and Star Trek, which most people are growing up in 146 00:10:43.799 --> 00:10:48.679 the sixties and seventies did, so you could say that we were I was 147 00:10:48.799 --> 00:10:54.720 primed for a belief in some of this stuff. I took a keen interest 148 00:10:54.879 --> 00:10:58.200 in all of it when I got to my early teenage years. They nine's 149 00:10:58.360 --> 00:11:03.840 everything, really interested in it. But I'd never thought to myself I'd seen 150 00:11:03.879 --> 00:11:11.080 anything unusual. And it was only when I had my youth experience, which 151 00:11:11.120 --> 00:11:16.720 was twenty eighteen, that I started thinking back to all these childhood experiences and 152 00:11:16.759 --> 00:11:20.080 I realized, well, yeah, I did have some really weird stuff going 153 00:11:20.120 --> 00:11:26.399 on, but never never put it into words that it was youthhoes or anything. 154 00:11:26.360 --> 00:11:30.919 So I'm just going to just read a short list of the sort of 155 00:11:30.960 --> 00:11:37.440 things I experienced. But visual and oral hallucinations, especially on going to sleep 156 00:11:37.559 --> 00:11:41.960 or just going to sleep or just waking up. And also during childhood illnesses, 157 00:11:43.000 --> 00:11:46.159 when I was kept at home off school, when I was sort of 158 00:11:46.559 --> 00:11:52.720 woozy from being ill, that sort of feeling so a half hypnotic state, 159 00:11:52.759 --> 00:11:58.480 if you like. So I had feelings quite frightening feelings of falling in dreams. 160 00:12:00.000 --> 00:12:03.720 Hallucinations are falling with strange voices calling out to me, which was really 161 00:12:03.759 --> 00:12:07.360 quite frightening, like a nightmare. I had a lot of changes in my 162 00:12:07.440 --> 00:12:13.000 perception, so that in these periods, these half hypnotic periods, also when 163 00:12:13.039 --> 00:12:16.360 I was wide awake and doing things like cycling to school, so when my 164 00:12:16.440 --> 00:12:20.960 body was under stress, I would have feelings of being outside myself and watching 165 00:12:20.960 --> 00:12:26.279 myself from outside, either up above the back from above my shoulder, or 166 00:12:26.960 --> 00:12:30.360 up in the corner of a room looking down at me on my bed. 167 00:12:30.399 --> 00:12:33.519 I had that a lot. The changes in perception were things like seeing things 168 00:12:33.600 --> 00:12:37.559 very very far away, as if through a telescope, and then zooming in 169 00:12:37.960 --> 00:12:41.960 very close. So if somebody was near me, I would zoom in with 170 00:12:43.000 --> 00:12:45.919 my eyes as if it like a microscope, and get closer and closer, 171 00:12:46.159 --> 00:12:50.080 and see millions of like wrinkles as if they were really old people, you 172 00:12:50.080 --> 00:12:56.080 know, and very strange things. Also, which I think is quite common 173 00:12:56.120 --> 00:12:58.919 for children, is waking up and feeling that I wasn't in my own room, 174 00:13:00.080 --> 00:13:03.840 that I was in a different room, maybe a different time. So 175 00:13:03.919 --> 00:13:07.879 these were all the kind of what I would call hallucinations that I had as 176 00:13:07.919 --> 00:13:13.120 a child, and I quite enjoyed these things. Actually they were. They 177 00:13:13.159 --> 00:13:18.759 were part of my imagination, which was very lively. Anyway, they were 178 00:13:18.840 --> 00:13:22.039 quite enjoyable. But this is unusual, you know, this is quite fun. 179 00:13:22.679 --> 00:13:28.960 But the main hallucination I'm saying hallucination, which might offend some of your 180 00:13:28.480 --> 00:13:33.840 listeners. But I'm not really sure what a vision might be. Another word, 181 00:13:33.759 --> 00:13:39.639 another thing I saw when I was around about nine or ten years old. 182 00:13:41.279 --> 00:13:45.879 My mother had a very narrow, dark back garden which was full of 183 00:13:46.600 --> 00:13:50.720 trees, and thinks she planted herself apple trees, rowing trees. It was 184 00:13:50.879 --> 00:13:56.159 very thick, thick with vegetation. As a small charge we could you could 185 00:13:56.200 --> 00:13:58.519 almost get lost in it, even though it wasn't very big, you know. 186 00:13:58.720 --> 00:14:01.320 And I'd go out into the garden night, especially when there was a 187 00:14:01.360 --> 00:14:05.279 moon, and I'd stand there for many minutes looking up at the sky, 188 00:14:07.159 --> 00:14:11.240 and the only light behind me would be the kitchen window because the street lights 189 00:14:11.279 --> 00:14:13.600 didn't reach over into this garden, so it was really nice and dark, 190 00:14:15.240 --> 00:14:18.600 and I'd look up at the sky and i'd see these things, which I 191 00:14:18.600 --> 00:14:22.919 can only describe as shoals of silver fish. Just like you know, you 192 00:14:22.120 --> 00:14:26.200 look up the sky and your eyes have to adjust and you gradually see more 193 00:14:26.240 --> 00:14:30.360 and more stars in the night sky if you nowhere near a street lamp, 194 00:14:31.080 --> 00:14:37.080 and I'd start to see these things moving around, not ultra fast, about 195 00:14:37.159 --> 00:14:39.200 the same speed as a satellite going over. But this was in the late 196 00:14:39.279 --> 00:14:43.000 sixties, so there weren't that many satellites. But they didn't travel in a 197 00:14:43.000 --> 00:14:48.159 straight line right across the sky. They can as zig zag backwards and forwards 198 00:14:48.200 --> 00:14:52.320 between the stars. Sometimes there was single ones, sometimes they were in pairs, 199 00:14:54.480 --> 00:14:56.960 sometimes they were in small groups, and sometimes they were in quite large, 200 00:14:58.639 --> 00:15:01.919 like I said, like a should of a fish, And they would 201 00:15:01.960 --> 00:15:05.440 go towards the moon and then away from the moon, and backwards and forwards 202 00:15:05.480 --> 00:15:09.039 soon And I'm sure a lot of people hearing this can think of all kinds 203 00:15:09.039 --> 00:15:13.960 of explanations with it. Again, maybe being in a mild hypnotic self induced 204 00:15:15.000 --> 00:15:18.080 state, I thought maybe I was pinching the nerve on the back of my 205 00:15:18.200 --> 00:15:22.679 neck, which can make you feel a bit dizzy. And I'm sure people 206 00:15:22.720 --> 00:15:26.240 will say, well, there could be natural explanations for this. Maybe it 207 00:15:26.320 --> 00:15:31.559 was birds high up in the skycatching light somehow. But to me, they 208 00:15:33.279 --> 00:15:37.519 didn't seem like any anything I'd ever seen before. I was absolutely mesmerized by 209 00:15:37.519 --> 00:15:41.519 this, and I used to shout out to my mum kind and see what 210 00:15:41.600 --> 00:15:43.200 I can see come out into the garden, and she wouldn't. She was 211 00:15:43.240 --> 00:15:48.519 always busy, you know, so she either ignored me or I'm imagining that 212 00:15:48.559 --> 00:15:52.519 I was calling out to her. So those were the weird things I saw 213 00:15:52.559 --> 00:15:58.320 when I was a child, and my audio and radial constnations went on up 214 00:15:58.360 --> 00:16:03.960 until my early teenage years. They tapered off when I went to school because 215 00:16:03.480 --> 00:16:07.039 the stress of being at school got more and more and probably drew these things 216 00:16:07.080 --> 00:16:12.720 out of my brain. Audio hallucinations I had, they were tended to be 217 00:16:14.320 --> 00:16:17.799 typical. Again, I don't want to offend anybody, but typical shits of 218 00:16:17.919 --> 00:16:22.440 hallucinations where you hear voices are abusing you or calling your name, but not 219 00:16:22.519 --> 00:16:25.000 in a nice way, in a nasty way, that sort of thing, 220 00:16:25.039 --> 00:16:30.399 you know. So that was what I experienced as a child, and then 221 00:16:30.440 --> 00:16:36.240 I didn't have too many in the next three decades, really because work and 222 00:16:36.679 --> 00:16:41.159 adult life and all the stress of adult life got in the way. I'm 223 00:16:41.200 --> 00:16:45.840 also going to mention that at the age of sixteen, I was sectioned into 224 00:16:45.879 --> 00:16:52.840 a psychiatric hospital and told that I was diagnosed with personality disorder and I was 225 00:16:52.879 --> 00:16:56.000 there for six months and I was incredibly happy in there. It was wonderful. 226 00:16:56.039 --> 00:17:00.399 It was like freedom for a child that age. You know, school, 227 00:17:00.399 --> 00:17:04.960 there's a new friends, beautiful landscape, gardens, all that sort of 228 00:17:04.960 --> 00:17:10.039 thing. And I was told in there, not by doctors, but by 229 00:17:11.039 --> 00:17:18.599 nurses on the ward that I had these oral and visual hallucinations because my brain 230 00:17:18.680 --> 00:17:22.400 I was a massive stress. You know, I come from a fairly dysfunctional, 231 00:17:22.480 --> 00:17:26.720 abusive family. And that was the explanation I was given. And I 232 00:17:26.799 --> 00:17:30.079 accepted that explanation. You know. They said, oh, your brain's heated 233 00:17:30.160 --> 00:17:33.599 up with all the stress, and this is what happens. And as you 234 00:17:33.640 --> 00:17:37.000 recover and calm down, you won't you won't have these things. And that 235 00:17:37.119 --> 00:17:41.599 was more or less true. They tapered off as I went into being a 236 00:17:41.640 --> 00:17:49.200 young adult, so I only started having these experiences again in the late two 237 00:17:49.240 --> 00:17:55.240 thousands, two thousand and tens, so that was in two and eighteen. 238 00:17:55.440 --> 00:18:02.000 It was I've got this written down in great detail. It was in broad 239 00:18:02.039 --> 00:18:06.079 day night. It was an early Sunday evening round about five plot in the 240 00:18:06.119 --> 00:18:10.200 autumn, I think about August twenty eighteen. And the reason I have to 241 00:18:10.240 --> 00:18:14.480 say, I think is because I destroyed all my records of this that had 242 00:18:14.480 --> 00:18:19.039 the date stamp on it, because I was so embarrassed and confused and freaked 243 00:18:19.039 --> 00:18:22.720 out by this, and I tried very hard to find out if anybody else 244 00:18:22.759 --> 00:18:26.759 had done it. I even wrote to the police and asked them if there 245 00:18:26.759 --> 00:18:32.599 were weird drones in the area or anything like that, and they got They 246 00:18:32.640 --> 00:18:34.240 got as far as sending me a form that you could fill out the details 247 00:18:34.359 --> 00:18:38.160 forum, and at that stage I just abandoned it. I thought, this 248 00:18:38.279 --> 00:18:42.839 is crazy and I'm going to be so embarrassed by all this if it got 249 00:18:42.839 --> 00:18:48.079 out anywhere. And also at the time, Nick I did try to contact 250 00:18:48.079 --> 00:18:53.000 a couple of UFO websites but didn't get any replies back from them, so 251 00:18:53.200 --> 00:18:59.599 yeah, I abandoned it. So this sighting took place on Clifton Downs, 252 00:18:59.640 --> 00:19:02.720 which is a big open space in the restore which a lot of people might 253 00:19:02.759 --> 00:19:04.519 know. You can walk right over it and have a good look of the 254 00:19:04.599 --> 00:19:10.079 Avon Gorge and the Bristols Suspension Bridge that would sort of orient people to where 255 00:19:10.119 --> 00:19:14.240 it is. And I called my sighting the Clifton Drone because I didn't know 256 00:19:14.279 --> 00:19:17.400 what else to call it. And like I say, I asked my friends. 257 00:19:17.519 --> 00:19:19.759 I asked people who were even one of my friends is actually on the 258 00:19:19.799 --> 00:19:25.200 local city council and elected official. I asked her if she had heard anything 259 00:19:25.200 --> 00:19:27.559 about it. Nobody had seen anything about it. It wasn't in the press. 260 00:19:27.599 --> 00:19:32.920 It wasn't in the media. So I'd been for a walk across the 261 00:19:32.960 --> 00:19:37.839 downs because my oarsitis wasn't too good at that time, and I tried to 262 00:19:37.880 --> 00:19:41.519 walk a couple of miles and then a couple of miles back from my house 263 00:19:41.000 --> 00:19:47.759 and I was walking back across I have sent you illustrations showing the positioning of 264 00:19:47.799 --> 00:19:51.279 this thing and what it looked like everybody around me. There was a lot 265 00:19:51.319 --> 00:19:53.440 of people ordered downs, mostly going home because it was a Sunday evening, 266 00:19:55.079 --> 00:19:57.599 so they were all heading off the downs. Not a single person was looking 267 00:19:57.640 --> 00:20:02.599 at the sky. Every single person was looking at their phones. Obviously there 268 00:20:02.599 --> 00:20:07.400 were cars, quite a lot of people around, but nobody looking at And 269 00:20:07.440 --> 00:20:11.359 as I was walking back towards the main road, I looked across to my 270 00:20:11.480 --> 00:20:17.240 left and above the tree line, I saw what I thought at first was 271 00:20:17.279 --> 00:20:21.279 a hawk hanging in the air, and I instantly thought to myself that that 272 00:20:21.319 --> 00:20:26.039 can't be a hawk at this distance. A small hawk I probably wouldn't even 273 00:20:26.079 --> 00:20:30.240 see. Also, I know for a fact that I see loads of birds 274 00:20:30.279 --> 00:20:33.440 when I'm out on country walks. They don't hang, They have to flutter 275 00:20:33.519 --> 00:20:37.839 to stay in one place. They don't actually hang. They're not moving at 276 00:20:37.880 --> 00:20:41.799 all. It wasn't moving in the wind. There was a gentle, well 277 00:20:41.839 --> 00:20:47.039 I say gentle, a brisk breeze coming from my right towards this thing, 278 00:20:47.079 --> 00:20:51.359 and it wasn't moving. So a bird, even if it was trying to 279 00:20:51.400 --> 00:20:53.359 horver, it would move around with the wind, you know, I thought, 280 00:20:53.400 --> 00:20:56.279 And I still I kind of half thought it was a bird, and 281 00:20:56.319 --> 00:21:00.359 I was walking towards it, and it seemed to keep pacing me. As 282 00:21:00.359 --> 00:21:04.119 I approached the road, it seemed to come more and more overhead. So 283 00:21:04.359 --> 00:21:08.559 I ended up looking straight up at it, and at that time I was 284 00:21:08.599 --> 00:21:12.960 able to really assess what it was I was seeing, and it seemed to 285 00:21:12.960 --> 00:21:17.160 be about maybe two or three hundred feet up in the air. It was 286 00:21:17.200 --> 00:21:21.240 above a nearby office blot, which was pretty tall, so that's what I 287 00:21:21.279 --> 00:21:23.559 was basing on. It was above that height. I kept walking towards it, 288 00:21:23.599 --> 00:21:26.519 staring up at the sky. And what really confused me was nobody else 289 00:21:26.559 --> 00:21:30.160 around me was looking up at the sky at this thing. Nobody sort of 290 00:21:30.200 --> 00:21:33.519 came by me and said, what on earth are you looking at? Because 291 00:21:33.519 --> 00:21:37.279 I must have looked really strange walking along and just constantly looking up at this 292 00:21:37.359 --> 00:21:40.400 thing. And then I was quite near the road, so quite near a 293 00:21:40.400 --> 00:21:44.640 busy road with traffic, and I looked up straight up and it was almost 294 00:21:44.720 --> 00:21:47.799 as if it was right above me. And I'll tell you what it looked 295 00:21:47.839 --> 00:21:52.519 like the most. It looked like those wooden birds that you see on Indian 296 00:21:52.559 --> 00:21:56.240 totem poles, with the wings straight out to the side. So in all 297 00:21:56.279 --> 00:22:00.880 this time it had never moved against the wind. It had kind of kept 298 00:22:00.920 --> 00:22:04.039 pace with me and then come overhead. But it hadn't The wind wasn't touching, 299 00:22:04.039 --> 00:22:07.960 it wasn't drifting, I wasn't doing anything like that. So that was 300 00:22:08.000 --> 00:22:14.279 already weird enough. But then the weirdest thing was that as I carried on 301 00:22:14.359 --> 00:22:18.599 looking up at it and my eyes adjusted to it, coming down from it, 302 00:22:18.720 --> 00:22:22.240 like as if they were dangling down on two wires, were two little 303 00:22:22.519 --> 00:22:26.839 linking blue lights, like little any d light, and at that point I 304 00:22:26.880 --> 00:22:30.160 thought, this thing is aware of me, and there's something about it. 305 00:22:30.319 --> 00:22:34.079 It's actually looking at me, or it's aware of me, and not that 306 00:22:34.119 --> 00:22:37.160 I snapped out of it. I knew it was still there, but I 307 00:22:37.200 --> 00:22:40.799 thought, if I carry on the walking home, my normal walk home from 308 00:22:40.839 --> 00:22:44.279 here, when I get to the other side of that office building, I 309 00:22:44.359 --> 00:22:47.839 might have a different view of it. So that's what I did. I 310 00:22:47.960 --> 00:22:49.720 walked across the road, I started going down a hill, and then I 311 00:22:49.759 --> 00:22:55.200 turned round and looked again, and it still hadn't drifted much with the wind. 312 00:22:55.440 --> 00:23:00.519 I mean, it started to move southwest, but again the wind, 313 00:23:00.680 --> 00:23:03.759 as it was going across the wind rather than with the wind. And here's 314 00:23:03.759 --> 00:23:07.680 another weird part of this sighting it. As I was seeing it from a 315 00:23:07.720 --> 00:23:11.880 different angle. Instead of looking like a bird, as if you were seeing 316 00:23:11.880 --> 00:23:17.559 it from underneath, it was now becoming a more classic V shape that you 317 00:23:17.640 --> 00:23:19.480 might see a goal with its wings up lying in the air, And it 318 00:23:19.599 --> 00:23:25.240 was more silhouetted and further away. And as I stood there, and again 319 00:23:25.279 --> 00:23:27.920 it was a busy road. There were cars going by. An elderly couple 320 00:23:29.000 --> 00:23:32.359 who were walking up the road stopped and said oh are you looking at it 321 00:23:32.400 --> 00:23:36.279 too? And we stood there and had a conversation about it, which is 322 00:23:36.279 --> 00:23:40.599 one of the strangest conversations I've ever had in my life, because they said 323 00:23:40.599 --> 00:23:41.920 to me, oh, we've just come from the Cambridge Pub. Now, 324 00:23:41.920 --> 00:23:47.400 the Cambridge Pub was literally two hundred yards away up hill around the corner, 325 00:23:47.680 --> 00:23:49.400 which I knew that pub, and they said, there's a whole crowd of 326 00:23:49.400 --> 00:23:53.759 people watching it. Somebody's even getting binoculars to see if they can study it 327 00:23:53.799 --> 00:23:57.720 further, you know. So we stood together and watched this thing, and 328 00:23:57.920 --> 00:24:02.200 we had a discussion of what we thought it could possibly be, and our 329 00:24:02.240 --> 00:24:03.920 ideas about it were mad. When I look back on it, it was 330 00:24:03.960 --> 00:24:07.400 a mad conversation. We were saying things like, oh, maybe it's something 331 00:24:07.400 --> 00:24:11.920 the university have sent up to Chester to sess whether conditions or could it be 332 00:24:11.960 --> 00:24:15.680 tethered to that building by a long invisible wire. And it was crazy because 333 00:24:15.880 --> 00:24:18.440 the teller, if there was a tether, would have had to be aback 334 00:24:19.039 --> 00:24:22.799 at this point about quarters from hour long for the way this thing had started 335 00:24:22.839 --> 00:24:27.960 moving southward, and we just watched it in complete amusement. In the end 336 00:24:27.960 --> 00:24:33.160 they gave up. We said, well, I wonder if it would be 337 00:24:33.160 --> 00:24:36.480 on the news sort of thing. And we carried on walking our separate ways, 338 00:24:37.279 --> 00:24:41.000 and this thing was still visible to me as I was walking home, 339 00:24:41.680 --> 00:24:45.680 still hadn't traveled with the wind, and it had now took on the classic 340 00:24:45.759 --> 00:24:49.599 V shape of a bird. But I'm big, I mean, I'm estimating 341 00:24:49.640 --> 00:24:53.480 this thing is about the size of a bus in the sky. And I 342 00:24:53.519 --> 00:24:57.079 finally lost sight of it when it seemed to drift upwards into low clouds. 343 00:24:57.119 --> 00:25:02.279 So at no point did it, at no point did it increase its speed 344 00:25:02.440 --> 00:25:07.279 or rush off anywhere, or it just as if it was literally up in 345 00:25:07.319 --> 00:25:10.480 the air. And then it gradually went into low clouds, and that was 346 00:25:10.519 --> 00:25:14.559 the end of my sighting. And I think I got home. I said 347 00:25:14.599 --> 00:25:18.359 to my husband, you never believe this weird thing I've seen. And then 348 00:25:18.759 --> 00:25:22.160 after I processed it the next day, I did draw some sketches where i'd 349 00:25:22.200 --> 00:25:25.759 seen it, what it looked like. And I tell you that all the 350 00:25:25.799 --> 00:25:27.759 things it wasn't. It wasn't a black bag floating in the sky. It 351 00:25:27.799 --> 00:25:33.920 wasn't a bird, it wasn't a drone, it wasn't a Chinese lantern, 352 00:25:33.960 --> 00:25:37.119 it was it was none of those things. It was. It was and 353 00:25:37.160 --> 00:25:41.039 I don't know if flying object in the shape of a bird, which the 354 00:25:41.079 --> 00:25:45.319 only reason it changed its shape was because of the angle I was looking at 355 00:25:45.319 --> 00:25:48.240 it, and I when it was above the building, I estimated it about 356 00:25:48.240 --> 00:25:52.119 the size of a butt in the sky, not a big bus, something 357 00:25:52.160 --> 00:25:56.079 like a minibus. And I tried afterwards. So there was nothing on media 358 00:25:56.119 --> 00:26:00.599 about it at all. Nothing, And yet I'd had this experience of meeting 359 00:26:00.640 --> 00:26:03.200 other people who'd seen it, and they told me, I hope pub full 360 00:26:03.240 --> 00:26:06.960 of people had watched it. That was it. And like I said, 361 00:26:07.039 --> 00:26:11.640 I actually deleted the timestamped evidence that I have of this thing because I was 362 00:26:11.720 --> 00:26:15.000 really quite embarrassed about this. I thought, this is crazy. If I 363 00:26:15.079 --> 00:26:18.319 know has heard of it or seen it. So that was my uphos sighting 364 00:26:18.319 --> 00:26:25.000 in twenty eighteen. What made me revisit it and get in touch with you 365 00:26:25.680 --> 00:26:30.079 was when the Americans released all their euphos stuff from that their navy sightings, 366 00:26:30.559 --> 00:26:36.640 and there was one they said was rotated and it actually looked like the shape 367 00:26:36.680 --> 00:26:41.519 of this thing I saw, so a rigid winged bird shape. And logically, 368 00:26:41.559 --> 00:26:48.119 if you believe in euphos being craft of some kind or robots of some 369 00:26:48.240 --> 00:26:53.160 kind orbiting us or you know, mapping us or something. And logically a 370 00:26:53.200 --> 00:26:57.279 bird shape is the one you might choose because it would be the least noticeable. 371 00:26:57.319 --> 00:27:00.839 And certainly none of the people around me were even bothering to look up 372 00:27:00.839 --> 00:27:06.599 at the sky, and to me, this thing was just so bizarre I 373 00:27:06.640 --> 00:27:10.599 had to look up at it. It had really caught my attention. So 374 00:27:10.759 --> 00:27:15.200 that was what happened to me in twenty eighteen. Neck. That's wonderful, 375 00:27:15.200 --> 00:27:19.440 Stella, Maybe quite quite nervy talking about that. Actually are revisiting again, 376 00:27:19.519 --> 00:27:23.759 you know, really really strange experience, you know, and most of my 377 00:27:23.880 --> 00:27:26.759 guests relive as soon as they started speaking, it'd be like, I haven't 378 00:27:26.799 --> 00:27:30.680 thought about this in years. Oh good, I think. I just wanted 379 00:27:30.720 --> 00:27:33.960 to say how long the sighting seemed to take from when I first saw it, 380 00:27:34.000 --> 00:27:37.200 So when I was walking home and saw it going into the clouds was 381 00:27:37.400 --> 00:27:41.319 a good three quarters of an hour. It was a long sighting. And 382 00:27:41.640 --> 00:27:45.680 what was most bizarre about it was that it wasn't just me that I met 383 00:27:45.720 --> 00:27:48.160 this olderly couple and we stood and talked about it, and that they told 384 00:27:48.160 --> 00:27:52.400 me a load of other people were watching it, and yet there was nothing 385 00:27:52.440 --> 00:27:56.799 in the news or anything the next day or any time I've tried googling it, 386 00:27:56.880 --> 00:28:00.759 you know, I've tried looking all over the internet for yous of similar 387 00:28:00.799 --> 00:28:06.880 shape and size. Nothing, absolutely nothing. There's hardly any accounts of bird 388 00:28:06.960 --> 00:28:10.880 like euphos, except when you had Mike Flanand on the Owl Man, and 389 00:28:11.000 --> 00:28:15.640 he sees a relationship between ours and euphos. But I'm not sure that he's 390 00:28:15.640 --> 00:28:18.160 ever seen eupho in the shape of an owl, you know, but he 391 00:28:18.240 --> 00:28:22.799 certainly thinks birds and euphos have got a connection. And it seemed very personal 392 00:28:22.799 --> 00:28:27.000 to me. I mean not at any point did any other passers by stop 393 00:28:27.079 --> 00:28:30.519 and say, what on earth are you looking at? Not even when I 394 00:28:30.559 --> 00:28:34.480 was standing with these two people on the street talking about it and looking at 395 00:28:34.480 --> 00:28:38.640 it and pointing at it. And that was very weird. And again, 396 00:28:38.720 --> 00:28:44.440 it was almost like being in hypnotic state, almost as if we were invisible 397 00:28:44.759 --> 00:28:48.400 everything else, the cars and everything else, everybody, cyclists, people going 398 00:28:48.440 --> 00:28:52.000 by without taking any notice. I have talked to this to another podcaster, 399 00:28:52.440 --> 00:28:57.039 but without actually being on her podcast, and she specializes in fairies in folklore, 400 00:28:57.599 --> 00:29:00.680 and she immediately said to me, oh, with this old couple, 401 00:29:02.039 --> 00:29:04.599 was there anything weird about them? Did? They seem completely human? And 402 00:29:06.319 --> 00:29:10.079 I kind of felt she was trying to shoehorn that into her own field of 403 00:29:10.599 --> 00:29:12.839 research, because no, to me, they were just normal people who said, 404 00:29:12.839 --> 00:29:15.640 oh, we've just come from the Cambridge pub. I thought there was 405 00:29:15.680 --> 00:29:19.359 nothing out of the ordinary about them at all. They were just as amazed 406 00:29:19.400 --> 00:29:22.680 at this thing as I was, you know, and we were trying to 407 00:29:22.720 --> 00:29:26.359 think of what it could possibly be. What I think it did is that 408 00:29:26.440 --> 00:29:32.880 it opened me up to starting to have experiences again. And it coincided, 409 00:29:32.960 --> 00:29:36.240 or it almost coincided with a big change in my life, radical change in 410 00:29:36.240 --> 00:29:41.720 my life, because very soon after that, I used hypnosis to give up 411 00:29:41.839 --> 00:29:45.640 my alcoholism. I'd I'd been an alcoholic all my adult life. It actually 412 00:29:45.680 --> 00:29:49.920 started in my school school day years, where I would spend my school dinner 413 00:29:49.960 --> 00:29:53.680 money on beer, if you can believe it. So, and that wasn't 414 00:29:53.720 --> 00:30:00.559 it wasn't actually discouraged by my family because they brewed boos at home, made 415 00:30:00.559 --> 00:30:03.519 wine at home. But this was not an uncommon thing to do back in 416 00:30:03.559 --> 00:30:07.720 the sixties and seventies. People did this to save money. But yeah, 417 00:30:07.759 --> 00:30:11.480 so I was suffered from alcoholism, yeah, all my adult life, and 418 00:30:11.880 --> 00:30:17.440 I gave it up using hypnotism probably about a month after having this sighting. 419 00:30:17.799 --> 00:30:21.759 And I know this other researcher I was just mentioning. Yeah, her name's 420 00:30:21.839 --> 00:30:26.960 Joe Hickey Hall and she runs the Modern Fairy Sightings podcast. She always asked 421 00:30:26.960 --> 00:30:30.960 her guests if there was anything life changing that was going on at the time 422 00:30:32.000 --> 00:30:36.960 they had their sightings. And I think that's a very interesting aspect sometimes. 423 00:30:37.200 --> 00:30:40.079 Yeah, sometimes people will say no, nothing at all, and other people 424 00:30:40.160 --> 00:30:42.400 say, yeah, major things, you know. And in my case, 425 00:30:42.440 --> 00:30:48.119 I think this sighting kind of opened me up to using hypnosis. I think 426 00:30:48.160 --> 00:30:52.440 I had used it briefly for anxiety when I was in a job where we 427 00:30:52.440 --> 00:30:55.440 were under loads of pressure and everybody was afraid of being sacked all the time. 428 00:30:55.440 --> 00:31:00.960 I had briefly gone to a hypnotist and used the CD which helped reduced 429 00:31:00.039 --> 00:31:03.559 anxiety at work. But that was all I'd used it for in the past. 430 00:31:03.599 --> 00:31:08.119 But after this experience, I was much more open to it and started 431 00:31:08.200 --> 00:31:12.599 using hypnosis much more regularly. But simple things like helping me to go to 432 00:31:12.599 --> 00:31:26.039 sleep better, helping me relax. Are you intrigued by paranormal Talk radio. 433 00:31:26.400 --> 00:31:30.799 You love the new Paranormal Radio app from talk stream Live. You'll find a 434 00:31:30.839 --> 00:31:37.200 great selection of talk shows covering UFOs, ghosts, strange phenomena, and much 435 00:31:37.240 --> 00:31:41.880 more. Download the Paranormal Radio app now and start listening to the very best 436 00:31:41.880 --> 00:31:45.680 in paranormal talk entertainment, including the network you're listening to right now. The 437 00:31:45.720 --> 00:31:56.160 Paranormal Radio app free in Google Play and the iOS app Store. And I 438 00:31:56.240 --> 00:32:01.279 also, in the last two or three years, I have had other experiences 439 00:32:01.279 --> 00:32:07.079 which are all part of this phenomenon, this worldwide phenomenon. I don't know 440 00:32:07.480 --> 00:32:10.839 whether you think these things are all connected, but clearly some of your guests 441 00:32:10.880 --> 00:32:16.039 have said so, and other researchers kind of think so that things like uphos, 442 00:32:16.240 --> 00:32:21.599 cryptids, fairies, and ghosts, perhaps they're all kind of on a 443 00:32:21.640 --> 00:32:24.960 continuum and they're all part of the same phenomena in some way that has grown 444 00:32:25.039 --> 00:32:30.240 up alongside human beings. So you could take a completely materialistic aspect and say 445 00:32:30.279 --> 00:32:35.359 they actually exist, and they exist on this earth as a kind of ecology 446 00:32:35.400 --> 00:32:38.000 that has grown up alongside us, and sometimes we see them and sometimes we're 447 00:32:38.200 --> 00:32:43.200 unaware of them. You could say that, or you could say that it's 448 00:32:43.400 --> 00:32:47.240 part of our what the human brain creates, and we can all share it 449 00:32:47.400 --> 00:32:52.680 somehow. So some of the other things that I've experienced in recent years have 450 00:32:52.839 --> 00:32:59.480 been I've had a big cat sighting British big cat sighting which I managed to 451 00:32:59.519 --> 00:33:02.200 take hotel of which was just a little blob in the distance, so didn't 452 00:33:02.200 --> 00:33:07.079 prove anything one or the other very interesting, and I'm not sure whether they 453 00:33:07.480 --> 00:33:12.400 qualify as are crypted anymore because there's more and more physical evidence that they might 454 00:33:12.400 --> 00:33:15.920 actually exist. But I had one of those. I've had that thing about 455 00:33:15.960 --> 00:33:22.039 hearing explosive noises in the distance when you're again when you're half awake in the 456 00:33:22.079 --> 00:33:24.880 small hours of the morning. I've had that. If you google that, 457 00:33:25.079 --> 00:33:29.839 it's supposed to affect middle aged women more than anybody else. I don't know 458 00:33:29.920 --> 00:33:34.839 whether your viewers would agree with that. And you had a recent guest on 459 00:33:35.279 --> 00:33:38.640 who was called a rescue medium who talked about astro spiders. Now astro spiders, 460 00:33:38.759 --> 00:33:44.160 I mean that was one of your scariest episodes. Actually, anybody who's 461 00:33:44.200 --> 00:33:46.559 got a rachnophobia, which I've had all my life, the idea that you 462 00:33:46.640 --> 00:33:51.960 might see these monstrous things in a state of being half awake. Yeah, 463 00:33:52.000 --> 00:33:54.960 I've had that. I went through a period of that. Probably in my 464 00:33:55.039 --> 00:34:00.200 thought is where just before I woke up, I just took this this was 465 00:34:00.839 --> 00:34:04.559 a sort of horrible, nightmarish thing that won't me up simply because I have 466 00:34:04.680 --> 00:34:09.239 normal racophobia. But after listening to her on your podcast, I'm not so 467 00:34:09.320 --> 00:34:15.079 sure, you know, because it only happened for a few months and then 468 00:34:15.079 --> 00:34:17.800 it was gone. And here's another weird thing. After having those experiences, 469 00:34:19.159 --> 00:34:23.280 my fear of real spiders has been much reduced, you know. I'm not 470 00:34:24.000 --> 00:34:27.199 I used to be. I literally couldn't be in the same room. I'd 471 00:34:27.199 --> 00:34:30.039 have to leave the room and get somebody else to deal with it. But 472 00:34:30.159 --> 00:34:34.159 now I'm not too bad. I can't I'm afraid I can't trap them in 473 00:34:34.199 --> 00:34:38.199 a jar or anything. So I wonder if having these experiences in some way 474 00:34:38.960 --> 00:34:46.519 neutralizes either opens you up to another ability, or neutralizes fears or habits. 475 00:34:46.800 --> 00:34:52.800 Maybe I'm not sure what you would think about that. My other opinion about 476 00:34:52.840 --> 00:34:55.880 it, which I formed because I'm an artist and I do do lots of 477 00:34:57.000 --> 00:35:01.960 fantasy art, and I've always been fascinated on as to how we can't project 478 00:35:02.039 --> 00:35:07.239 if you like the things we have in our brains to somebody else through the 479 00:35:07.320 --> 00:35:12.239 medium of writing or artwork. And I mentioned that Order of the Rings earlier 480 00:35:12.239 --> 00:35:15.880 on, and I think that's very important because a lot of people who grew 481 00:35:15.920 --> 00:35:19.119 up in the sixties and seventies grew up with that book. It was for 482 00:35:19.159 --> 00:35:24.719 a long time, it was Britain's number one favorite book. In the Waterstones 483 00:35:24.800 --> 00:35:30.760 used to do an annual pole and it always came out on top, and 484 00:35:30.840 --> 00:35:32.920 a lot of the academia really looked down their nose at this. They thought 485 00:35:32.920 --> 00:35:37.519 this was the clubs, you know, choosing their favorite book. But yeah, 486 00:35:37.559 --> 00:35:43.480 it was massively influential and popular, and one before any of the movies 487 00:35:43.519 --> 00:35:45.760 were made. You could talk to somebody about The Lord of the Rings and 488 00:35:45.800 --> 00:35:50.360 they had exactly the same pictures in their mind reading it that you had. 489 00:35:50.559 --> 00:35:54.519 And it was almost as if he was just his ability to project into your 490 00:35:54.559 --> 00:36:00.360 head what he was seeing as he wrote about it. I've always been fastnated 491 00:36:00.400 --> 00:36:05.519 by that. I'm I'm fascinated by a phenomena called similar crumb, which is 492 00:36:05.519 --> 00:36:10.000 where we see faces and things connected to human beings in natural in the natural 493 00:36:10.039 --> 00:36:16.880 world, so in like clouds, trees, stones, And it's so easy 494 00:36:16.920 --> 00:36:20.719 to do this if you go out, just go out on a walk anyway, 495 00:36:20.719 --> 00:36:22.360 it's just around your neighborhood and say I'm going to look for some an 496 00:36:22.400 --> 00:36:25.480 acrum. You will see some. There's no question you will see some. 497 00:36:25.800 --> 00:36:29.800 You will see two or three of them on an average walk around a neighborhood 498 00:36:29.880 --> 00:36:32.440 or looking at various trees. I can guarantee it. You know, it's 499 00:36:32.519 --> 00:36:38.840 so easy. And I wonder if that was one of the reasons our ancestors, 500 00:36:38.840 --> 00:36:42.840 you know, grew up with this idea that there were spirits in all 501 00:36:42.960 --> 00:36:45.960 natural things, because you can see human faces in so many things. I've 502 00:36:45.960 --> 00:36:50.960 even done a little video about this on my YouTube channel. So that's it, 503 00:36:51.119 --> 00:36:54.199 really Nick, It seems to be voting me up to having other experiences. 504 00:36:54.320 --> 00:36:59.760 I've recently had a personal life aggression first time ever, and that's a 505 00:36:59.880 --> 00:37:06.119 very different form of hypnosis to just relaxing hypnosis. Again, it kind of 506 00:37:06.360 --> 00:37:13.159 reinforces my idea that a lot of this is the human mind creating things, 507 00:37:13.800 --> 00:37:17.760 and I don't think we're anywhere near anywhere near imitating the human mind. What 508 00:37:17.840 --> 00:37:24.199 people are calling artificial intelligence today is literally just increasing computer speed computer power, 509 00:37:24.320 --> 00:37:29.800 that's all it is. It's not We're never going to get near imitating the 510 00:37:29.880 --> 00:37:32.840 human brain in all its complexity, and I don't think we're ever going to 511 00:37:32.960 --> 00:37:37.320 understand. And the more and more people that are on the Earth who are 512 00:37:37.320 --> 00:37:40.039 actually getting on from nine billion now, in fact, the brain power of 513 00:37:40.079 --> 00:37:44.719 all these people. You could say, yeah, nowadays, the internet's got 514 00:37:44.719 --> 00:37:47.960 a lot to do with it because we're all interconnected. But long before the 515 00:37:49.000 --> 00:37:52.119 Internet, people were seeing the same kind of things, they had the same 516 00:37:52.199 --> 00:37:55.960 kind of beliefs all over the world. So this is more like the human 517 00:37:57.000 --> 00:38:00.480 brain. And that by saying that, I don't want to offend any because 518 00:38:00.480 --> 00:38:02.679 I don't want anybody to think I'm blittening it. I'm certainly not belittening my 519 00:38:02.719 --> 00:38:08.559 own experiences or other people's. This is just as real as your normal waking 520 00:38:08.639 --> 00:38:14.119 life. I'm sure it's just as real. I'm very very open minded as 521 00:38:14.159 --> 00:38:17.800 to what could cause it all. But I do lean towards it being part 522 00:38:17.840 --> 00:38:22.679 of like a by project if you like that human consciousness. So I hope 523 00:38:22.679 --> 00:38:25.679 I haven't offended anybody with that. Nick, don't be silly, stilly, 524 00:38:27.199 --> 00:38:30.360 like I said, everyone's entire to the opinion, and this is what it's 525 00:38:30.400 --> 00:38:32.599 all about, trying to learn. We have to look at everything. We 526 00:38:32.880 --> 00:38:37.039 can just put all this in just one box. We have we have to 527 00:38:37.119 --> 00:38:40.480 understand that the brain is extremely complicated, as there so much we do not 528 00:38:40.639 --> 00:38:46.559 understand about it. And there is definitely a connection you know, one consciousness 529 00:38:46.559 --> 00:38:51.159 and all that. These are not just physical things we're seeing until we have 530 00:38:51.280 --> 00:38:53.440 hundred percent answers. You know, We're obviously always going to speculate in stuff, 531 00:38:53.559 --> 00:38:58.039 but that is how we learn and grow, explore every possibility. Because 532 00:38:58.760 --> 00:39:01.639 what I've noticed with your guests and guests on other podcasts about Strange Things is 533 00:39:01.679 --> 00:39:07.719 that everybody's experience is completely unique to them. It almost as if it's tailored 534 00:39:07.760 --> 00:39:12.559 to them and their personality. Almost you know, you're right there. There 535 00:39:12.559 --> 00:39:15.000 are so many connections. Obviously on this show, I don't have a particular 536 00:39:15.039 --> 00:39:19.760 agenda, so I never say you know exactly what you saw was aliens. 537 00:39:19.880 --> 00:39:22.119 Don't do that on this show because, like you said, everyone's account is 538 00:39:22.159 --> 00:39:27.440 personal to them, and every somehow everything is connected. And I'm not one 539 00:39:27.519 --> 00:39:30.400 hundred percent sure, but it is all connected. And I have a lot 540 00:39:30.400 --> 00:39:32.400 of my guests that exactly like you you know, you were dealing with something 541 00:39:32.480 --> 00:39:37.079 at the time when you had your experiences. Is there a connection? They 542 00:39:37.360 --> 00:39:40.119 very well could be a connection, you know, because I've had people going 543 00:39:40.159 --> 00:39:45.440 through different things, childhood trauma, and then there's these experiences. Well, 544 00:39:45.440 --> 00:39:50.480 I think what you're doing is really important because you're collecting all these experiences and 545 00:39:50.480 --> 00:39:53.440 you're keeping a kind of record of them, and it's just ordinary people or 546 00:39:53.519 --> 00:39:57.519 telling you. It's not people who have studied it in the past, particularly, 547 00:39:57.599 --> 00:40:00.599 you know, people who have been born in different times, like I 548 00:40:00.599 --> 00:40:02.840 grew up in the sixties which was the Flower Paria, and then the seventies 549 00:40:02.880 --> 00:40:07.480 which was all really things about aliens and EUPHO has really exploded in the seventies 550 00:40:07.519 --> 00:40:10.960 there was especially in the West Country down here in England, there was lots 551 00:40:10.960 --> 00:40:15.079 of UPHO sightings. So maybe the era we grew up in as well, 552 00:40:15.239 --> 00:40:19.920 which opens us up to this. You know, the experiences I've had over 553 00:40:19.960 --> 00:40:22.559 the last two or three years, which since my UPHO sighting, they're not 554 00:40:22.719 --> 00:40:27.079 down to I can assure your listeners, they're not down to psychiatric orders. 555 00:40:27.119 --> 00:40:31.440 They're not down to alcohol. It's almost as if having that sighting allowed me 556 00:40:31.760 --> 00:40:36.719 to have other experiences, your early childhood ones. I mean, obviously, 557 00:40:36.760 --> 00:40:40.239 back in those days, a lot of people were sent to these institutions and 558 00:40:40.559 --> 00:40:45.800 they didn't really know. They always labeled, They always stuck a label on 559 00:40:45.880 --> 00:40:47.960 you because they've figured that's the answer. But a lot of people have these 560 00:40:49.639 --> 00:40:52.719 visions. I probably wouldn't say hallucinations because to me it sounds very complex. 561 00:40:52.760 --> 00:40:55.880 The ones that you were haveing you know, you were seeing people from a 562 00:40:57.039 --> 00:41:00.480 distance, differences in my eyesight, perception and yeah, as well as as 563 00:41:00.519 --> 00:41:05.559 well as these strange things I saw at night in the night sky. Yeah, 564 00:41:05.679 --> 00:41:09.440 yeah, they were different. And the falling dreams, I know you've 565 00:41:09.440 --> 00:41:13.679 had people on and so I've heard on another pod that has been linked with 566 00:41:13.840 --> 00:41:16.920 some people to UPHA abduction stories. Feeling that you're falling as soon as you 567 00:41:17.280 --> 00:41:21.239 shut your eyes in bed, as if you're falling through the universe. You 568 00:41:21.239 --> 00:41:23.400 know, that was how it seemed to me, you know, and it's 569 00:41:23.480 --> 00:41:27.000 pretty frightening, actually, that's right. And they've always you know, people 570 00:41:27.039 --> 00:41:29.519 have always said that, you know, when you wake up and your leg 571 00:41:29.599 --> 00:41:32.360 jolts, you know, some people say that you're or you're in a dream 572 00:41:32.440 --> 00:41:36.840 state and you're having and that a body experience. You know, you're actual 573 00:41:36.880 --> 00:41:40.519 projecting and that's just you jumping back into your body. Possibly, you know, 574 00:41:40.639 --> 00:41:45.400 like your experiences when you're younger could be you know, you're at the 575 00:41:45.440 --> 00:41:50.239 age early teenage years. It could be that you were tapping into something something 576 00:41:50.280 --> 00:41:53.679 that we have or things that we were able to do in our past. 577 00:41:54.360 --> 00:42:00.559 You know, maybe you were just tapping into psychic abilities. Well, certainly 578 00:42:00.599 --> 00:42:05.199 seeing myself from outside as I was cycling and also when I was in bed, 579 00:42:05.800 --> 00:42:08.320 that's pretty common, I believe, you know a lot of people have 580 00:42:08.480 --> 00:42:13.000 that. And again that's a sort of altered perception, isn't it. There 581 00:42:13.079 --> 00:42:15.280 is you know, the phenomena of people being able to throw their voice, 582 00:42:15.320 --> 00:42:19.840 which people used to do as a stage show with dummies. Why can't we 583 00:42:19.840 --> 00:42:22.800 throw our eyesight as well? You know, And so maybe that's connected to 584 00:42:22.800 --> 00:42:27.320 astro traveling. And yeah, I've had guests on the past that have been 585 00:42:27.320 --> 00:42:30.840 walking beside themselves, have seen themselves from a distance as they're actually awake, 586 00:42:30.920 --> 00:42:34.199 you know, they're going side. Yeah, I was away when I was 587 00:42:34.239 --> 00:42:37.159 cycling to school and I had the experiences. Yeah, so I didn't really 588 00:42:37.159 --> 00:42:42.000 talk to anybody about all this when I was a child, I thought everybody, 589 00:42:42.000 --> 00:42:45.320 oh, everybody has these, you know, and it did stop for 590 00:42:45.320 --> 00:42:50.039 a while. It stopped because all the business of adult life working, and 591 00:42:50.360 --> 00:42:53.159 I was also alcoholic, and I had lots of trauma in my adult life 592 00:42:53.159 --> 00:42:57.679 as well. That all drives it out. I think that all drives it 593 00:42:57.679 --> 00:43:01.079 out. You're no longer you haven't no longer got the time that you had 594 00:43:01.119 --> 00:43:06.719 when you were a child, and then you've only got the time again later 595 00:43:06.840 --> 00:43:08.760 on in life when perhaps you cut down your working house. I had early 596 00:43:08.800 --> 00:43:13.760 retirement three years ago now, which obviously has allowed me to do things like 597 00:43:13.840 --> 00:43:17.639 get out into the countryside more and revisit some of these interests I had in 598 00:43:17.679 --> 00:43:21.599 the past, so, you know, obviously a lot more open to it. 599 00:43:21.880 --> 00:43:23.079 I think that happens to a lot of people. You know, the 600 00:43:23.199 --> 00:43:27.639 ordinary business of daily life just drives a lot of this out out of our 601 00:43:27.679 --> 00:43:30.639 minds. Yeah. Yeah, I think when we turn into adults we lose 602 00:43:30.960 --> 00:43:35.199 a lot of things when we're a child, you know, it's whether it's 603 00:43:35.239 --> 00:43:38.960 being subdued or numbed. Daily grind and there's there's a stress of having to 604 00:43:39.000 --> 00:43:43.960 make money and provide for your families. Whereas children you know, they they're 605 00:43:44.000 --> 00:43:46.679 very they're free. You know, everything is everything is good, everything is 606 00:43:46.800 --> 00:43:51.840 exciting. Adulthood well, I think I think I was very lucky in the 607 00:43:51.880 --> 00:43:54.719 here I grew up in, because I said, my mum was very open 608 00:43:54.800 --> 00:43:59.559 to allowing me to She was rich, she was fascinated by all science fictionally 609 00:43:59.599 --> 00:44:04.280 stuff herself and things like fairies and ghosts, and she was quite open, 610 00:44:04.400 --> 00:44:07.920 happy to talk. She used to share the books she was reading. We 611 00:44:07.039 --> 00:44:12.639 used to share books about like mostly science fiction and stuff together, so that 612 00:44:12.920 --> 00:44:15.760 you know, that was very open minded. She loved The Lord of the 613 00:44:15.800 --> 00:44:17.559 Rings as well. I feel I was lucky to have grown up in that 614 00:44:17.639 --> 00:44:22.599 era before the Internet, where we had to use our imaginations a lot more. 615 00:44:22.920 --> 00:44:25.280 But I am the same their days gone, And of course Lord of 616 00:44:25.280 --> 00:44:29.079 the Rings is a wonderful book. I also read that when I was a 617 00:44:29.159 --> 00:44:34.440 kid. Yeah, he was tapping into genuine British you know, the Celtic 618 00:44:34.519 --> 00:44:38.679 era, the Ango Saxon era. He was actually tapping into genuine historical history 619 00:44:39.079 --> 00:44:44.800 and incorporating it, you know, in his kind of imaginary world that he 620 00:44:44.880 --> 00:44:46.559 created. So it was familiar and it was very familiar to as people have 621 00:44:46.639 --> 00:44:52.440 said, it's the best known not about England, because it was all set 622 00:44:52.440 --> 00:44:55.119 in the English countryside almost, you know. And his imagination was amazing. 623 00:44:55.159 --> 00:44:59.360 I mean he wrote this in the trenches, didn't he in the trenches of 624 00:44:59.400 --> 00:45:02.119 World War and he would be writing these and he would come up with languages 625 00:45:02.199 --> 00:45:07.079 and characters absolutely amazing. I don't think there's any of her all for like 626 00:45:07.159 --> 00:45:09.360 it. No, and still isn't, you know. I mean, as 627 00:45:09.360 --> 00:45:13.800 a point of principle, I've never watched the films. You know, there 628 00:45:13.880 --> 00:45:16.039 used to be a thing on Radio fourk cord. I've never I've never seen 629 00:45:16.079 --> 00:45:19.320 Star Wars one. In my case, it's I've never seen the Lord of 630 00:45:19.320 --> 00:45:22.760 the Rings films because I'm a I'm a purist, you know. I didn't 631 00:45:22.760 --> 00:45:24.679 like the way they cut large chunks out of the books, and it would 632 00:45:24.719 --> 00:45:30.360 spoil everything about my own vision of the books. You know, I agree, 633 00:45:30.400 --> 00:45:32.519 because once you watch it as a movie, and it happens with a 634 00:45:32.559 --> 00:45:37.840 lot of books, you're they're obviously projecting their imagery and what they perceive and 635 00:45:38.079 --> 00:45:42.840 their characters. I don't need that. I just want talking's visions, thanks 636 00:45:42.920 --> 00:45:45.719 very much. You don't. I don't want anybody else's vision or you know, 637 00:45:45.960 --> 00:45:51.239 there's nothing like reading the book and you've created that vision or the characters 638 00:45:51.440 --> 00:45:55.599 created it, but the writer has somehow projected that out into the world which 639 00:45:55.599 --> 00:46:00.360 you're picking up. You're creating it with the right and I feel the same 640 00:46:00.400 --> 00:46:05.679 as an artist. I illustrate people's books where they self published on the internet. 641 00:46:05.719 --> 00:46:09.519 I illustrate books and it tends to be a strong fantasy, science fiction 642 00:46:09.880 --> 00:46:15.840 emphasis. And yeah, so I'm you're in a creative relationship with the person 643 00:46:15.880 --> 00:46:20.800 in the actual author, and it's it's not just a contract. It's not 644 00:46:20.880 --> 00:46:22.480 just though I'm hiring you to illustrate my books. It's not like that. 645 00:46:22.559 --> 00:46:28.880 You're you're working alongside them to produce images. Question about that, now, 646 00:46:28.920 --> 00:46:34.159 when when someone comes to you to illustrate a book, would you read the 647 00:46:34.159 --> 00:46:37.239 book first? No. I asked them to pick out paragraphs that they want 648 00:46:37.280 --> 00:46:42.360 illustrated, and I asked them to be as specific as possible. You know, 649 00:46:42.760 --> 00:46:45.639 I am trying to get into their head. I am trying to do 650 00:46:45.800 --> 00:46:50.079 exactly what they see. So yeah, I don't read the whole book. 651 00:46:50.079 --> 00:46:52.880 No. I asked them for a sentence or their idea of what the scene 652 00:46:52.920 --> 00:46:58.559 should look like. It's it is a collaboration. It's it's not just though 653 00:46:58.639 --> 00:47:01.400 I'm contracted to do something and that It's always been like that. Yeah, 654 00:47:01.519 --> 00:47:07.679 that's what I do when I'm not just enjoying my semi retirement. And I 655 00:47:07.679 --> 00:47:12.079 suppose it also if the if the rider is a good rider, you know, 656 00:47:12.519 --> 00:47:15.079 proper rider, then it would probably be a lot easier because you know 657 00:47:15.119 --> 00:47:20.239 they are projecting this imagery into India imagination. Do you actually believe there is 658 00:47:20.280 --> 00:47:22.599 something kind of telepathic going on. That's why I've said to you, I 659 00:47:22.599 --> 00:47:29.559 think this whole creative impulse and that's what I think is connected to phenomena as 660 00:47:29.559 --> 00:47:32.599 well, and I include everything in that ghosts, new phospherries, cryptids. 661 00:47:32.719 --> 00:47:37.199 There's something that is our brains are connected in some way. Nick, Yeah, 662 00:47:37.440 --> 00:47:40.760 it's it's like the World Wide Web, isn't it the way everyone like 663 00:47:40.760 --> 00:47:44.920 our computers are connected now, And I think it is the same with the 664 00:47:44.960 --> 00:47:49.280 brains, and they are a pale imitation of what the human brain is actually 665 00:47:49.360 --> 00:47:52.480 doing, a pale imitation. And I'm not saying that just purely as an 666 00:47:52.719 --> 00:47:57.480 ordinary average person thinking about this. I do I am in contact with a 667 00:47:57.559 --> 00:48:00.960 lady in this country who's a professor of airoon robotics at a British university. 668 00:48:01.239 --> 00:48:06.800 And she tells me the same thing that nothing you see, you know, 669 00:48:06.960 --> 00:48:09.320 robots leaping around a gymnasium, this sort of thing. She said, nothing 670 00:48:09.360 --> 00:48:14.559 you see is genuine. You know, they would have took weeks and weeks 671 00:48:14.559 --> 00:48:17.039 and weeks to take that few seconds of film because the things kept falling over 672 00:48:17.159 --> 00:48:21.480 or something, you know. And she goes to conferences on AI and robotics, 673 00:48:22.239 --> 00:48:24.599 international conferences. I believe she's telling the truth, you know, and 674 00:48:24.639 --> 00:48:29.639 she says they are nowhere near what they tell you. And most of what 675 00:48:29.719 --> 00:48:34.480 you hear about AI and robotics is because these companies are bidding for funds, 676 00:48:34.599 --> 00:48:38.039 bidding for grant money for their research. That is interesting. Yeah, yeah, 677 00:48:38.119 --> 00:48:40.599 And I'm not saying it out blue. I'm saying it because I have 678 00:48:40.679 --> 00:48:44.760 personal contact with somebody who's in that field, quite high up in that field 679 00:48:44.760 --> 00:48:47.360 as well. It's a scary thing. I mean, even the AI images 680 00:48:47.400 --> 00:48:51.239 these days, some of them are so good, you know, people think 681 00:48:51.280 --> 00:48:53.840 they're actually seeing a real image or a real photograph, but they're not. 682 00:48:54.199 --> 00:48:57.599 Well, I'll be honest, most of the stuff I see on social media 683 00:48:57.599 --> 00:49:00.519 that are supposed to be these deep fakes. I feel I can easily see 684 00:49:00.519 --> 00:49:05.320 that it's it's not real. But I am looking at it with an artist's 685 00:49:05.320 --> 00:49:07.320 sigh, I suppose. But I can easily pick them out. Yeah, 686 00:49:07.400 --> 00:49:12.400 i'd imagine you can. But of course to the end trained eye and people 687 00:49:12.400 --> 00:49:15.360 which are just flicking down their phone saying, oh that's real, that's real. 688 00:49:15.639 --> 00:49:22.159 Yeah. Yes, there's a tremendous lack of seeing everything on screens and 689 00:49:22.679 --> 00:49:27.440 only knowing works of literature from our movies. Is it's dumbed everybody down. 690 00:49:27.519 --> 00:49:31.079 Definitely, it's dumbed down our imagination. It's dumbed down our ability, you 691 00:49:31.119 --> 00:49:35.320 know, to look at artwork and see it properly. It also makes you 692 00:49:35.400 --> 00:49:39.400 wonder if any of that is deliberate, if we're intentionally dumbed down. Oh 693 00:49:39.480 --> 00:49:43.119 yeah, I think it probably is. I mean, you know, happy 694 00:49:43.119 --> 00:49:46.760 happy slaves, isn't it? You know exactly, It's like the old coliseum 695 00:49:46.800 --> 00:49:52.400 isn't in Rome where they used to keep people entertained with games and well, 696 00:49:52.400 --> 00:49:55.639 exactly, the Internet is our modern version of bread and circuses. So you 697 00:49:55.679 --> 00:50:00.199 know, definitely people do need to I say this quite often, you know, 698 00:50:00.239 --> 00:50:04.639 people need to leave the Internet and TV and everything that's being pumped into 699 00:50:04.679 --> 00:50:07.679 you and just go out to nature and express express yourself, you know, 700 00:50:07.719 --> 00:50:12.360 whether it's through art or just hiking, you know, things simple as that. 701 00:50:12.400 --> 00:50:15.559 But people definitely need to switch off sometimes and connect with the things that 702 00:50:15.599 --> 00:50:19.719 are outside. Look up, look at what's around you, because I feel 703 00:50:19.719 --> 00:50:22.320 we have definitely lost we lost that and we just seem to be I know, 704 00:50:22.360 --> 00:50:27.039 people which are just plugged into the internet constantly. It's a very limited 705 00:50:27.199 --> 00:50:30.400 way of living, isn't it very limited? You know, they'd be just 706 00:50:30.440 --> 00:50:32.679 as happy in in a jail cell, wouldn't they. Yeah, there is, 707 00:50:32.840 --> 00:50:36.719 you know, there is a connection between you know, when someone has 708 00:50:36.800 --> 00:50:40.559 a site in and them personally. You know, I don't believe that every 709 00:50:40.639 --> 00:50:45.320 site in some you know people have are just flybys, you know, just 710 00:50:45.400 --> 00:50:46.960 they just observe something. I think there is definitely a connection, and there 711 00:50:47.000 --> 00:50:52.440 would definitely a reason why they're sitting at that time. There's a reason why 712 00:50:52.320 --> 00:50:55.480 the people all around you didn't look up and didn't witness and just simply weren't 713 00:50:55.480 --> 00:50:59.280 interested. Because if I see someone looking up, I want to know what 714 00:50:59.320 --> 00:51:01.079 they're looking at. I would as well. I would as well, that's 715 00:51:01.119 --> 00:51:05.480 what really surprised me. It was almost, like I said, all the 716 00:51:05.519 --> 00:51:08.719 way through, kind of like being in a mild hypnotic state because nobody around 717 00:51:08.719 --> 00:51:13.840 me was taking any notice. In the past, we've called this alien apathy. 718 00:51:14.400 --> 00:51:17.239 It's like you're having this experience, but the next person, the person 719 00:51:17.280 --> 00:51:22.639 around you, just not interested. It's like I wouldn't necessarily say it's only 720 00:51:22.679 --> 00:51:24.800 for you, because I you know, I simply don't know. But you 721 00:51:24.840 --> 00:51:28.440 know, there were others that saw it, Yes, I met. I 722 00:51:28.480 --> 00:51:32.000 met others as I as I walked away from where it was overhead, because 723 00:51:32.039 --> 00:51:35.480 that was my thought. I walked to the other side of that building because 724 00:51:35.480 --> 00:51:37.159 it's on my way home anyway, and maybe I'll see it from another angle, 725 00:51:37.639 --> 00:51:40.320 get more than idea what it is, you know. And at that 726 00:51:40.400 --> 00:51:45.039 point I met two people who also saw it, and we stood an ad 727 00:51:45.039 --> 00:51:49.519 a conversate and mad conversation about it. We didn't have a clue what it 728 00:51:49.519 --> 00:51:52.400 could possibly be. All those eyes can work out what it was. And 729 00:51:52.679 --> 00:51:54.760 the time that you saw it, which was a while, you know, 730 00:51:54.880 --> 00:51:59.119 wasn't a short, quick brief sighting you You saw it for a while, 731 00:51:59.199 --> 00:52:04.280 so you know, we can definitely discount drones because they have limited batteries in 732 00:52:04.320 --> 00:52:07.880 any case. Well, also, I'm sure there's rules about harding over like 733 00:52:07.400 --> 00:52:12.559 heavily built up areas with drones. Anyway, I'm sure that you wouldn't be 734 00:52:12.559 --> 00:52:15.840 allowed to do it. And that's that's one of the reasons I talked to 735 00:52:15.840 --> 00:52:17.159 this old couple. We were saying things like, oh, could it be 736 00:52:17.199 --> 00:52:22.519 the university doing something? Well, believe me, Nick, if Bristol University 737 00:52:22.559 --> 00:52:24.320 had been doing something like that would be all over the news because they'd be 738 00:52:24.360 --> 00:52:28.280 so proud of their achievement whatever it was they were doing, you know, 739 00:52:28.440 --> 00:52:30.119 or they'd want to warn the public if you see this strange thing in the 740 00:52:30.119 --> 00:52:35.000 sky, don't worry, it's it's our research department doing something, or you 741 00:52:35.039 --> 00:52:38.199 know, it wouldn't not be in the media, especially if it was a 742 00:52:38.280 --> 00:52:43.000 size of a minibus. For me, it was about that size up in 743 00:52:43.000 --> 00:52:46.280 the sky. Yeah. Yes, So I have not had any other youth 744 00:52:46.440 --> 00:52:51.199 experiences since then. I do feel that I might have had a glimpse of 745 00:52:51.239 --> 00:52:55.239 this thing a few years before, in about two thousand and thirteen, and 746 00:52:55.320 --> 00:53:00.760 again it was but only briefly, and it was an when I was under 747 00:53:00.760 --> 00:53:05.880 a lot of stress because I'd started jogging. Actually for my health. I'd 748 00:53:05.880 --> 00:53:08.400 started jogging, which is very difficult for me because I got arthritis, I'm 749 00:53:08.440 --> 00:53:12.880 disabled in other ways. This particular day, it was again, it was 750 00:53:12.920 --> 00:53:15.800 the middle of the day, it was a Saturday. I'd managed to jog 751 00:53:15.880 --> 00:53:19.760 about four miles, which was a huge distance for me, big achievement, 752 00:53:19.960 --> 00:53:23.039 and I'd literally lie down on this bench to recover. Looked straight up at 753 00:53:23.039 --> 00:53:28.719 the sky. This was down by Bristol Docks, and saw a brown thing 754 00:53:28.840 --> 00:53:34.880 like a giant bird, just traveling again fairly slowly between the clouds and then 755 00:53:34.960 --> 00:53:37.159 disappearing. And I'm wondering, I am seriously wondering if it was the same 756 00:53:37.199 --> 00:53:43.519 thing, And that brief memory came back to me when I was thinking about 757 00:53:43.559 --> 00:53:46.039 this for this podcast. I might have caught a glimpse of it before. 758 00:53:47.280 --> 00:53:51.760 And what does that say to you? Does that say that here is a 759 00:53:51.840 --> 00:53:58.119 real euthho busy orbiting the earth, or does it say this is something peculiar 760 00:53:58.159 --> 00:54:01.679 to me? But it was just me that saw it this time. But 761 00:54:01.760 --> 00:54:05.239 yeah, I do have a slight feeling that I've seen something before. And 762 00:54:05.400 --> 00:54:07.599 I'm not the sort of person who would mistake this for birds, because I'm 763 00:54:07.679 --> 00:54:13.119 a I'm quite a birdwatcher, you know, I'm very good at identifying British 764 00:54:13.119 --> 00:54:15.719 birds, especially our big ones are hawks and buzzards and things. There's a 765 00:54:15.800 --> 00:54:19.559 lot of them I see when I'm out on my country walks, and I 766 00:54:19.599 --> 00:54:22.199 could not mistake them for this thing. If I had got as far as 767 00:54:22.199 --> 00:54:25.320 filling out the police form, because they send you a form to put the 768 00:54:25.360 --> 00:54:29.400 details down to whatever it was you saw, I didn't. I decide, 769 00:54:29.440 --> 00:54:31.000 no, I just can't go through with this. But I would have left 770 00:54:31.000 --> 00:54:36.119 out the detail about the little dangly blinking nights hanging down of fit that to 771 00:54:36.280 --> 00:54:38.599 me was just too bizarre. And I have a feeling that a lot of 772 00:54:38.639 --> 00:54:42.960 people do this. You know a lot of people do not come forward with 773 00:54:43.079 --> 00:54:45.480 this this strange stuff, because I'd have a guest on and they say, 774 00:54:45.519 --> 00:54:46.800 you know, this also happened to me, but would you not put it 775 00:54:46.800 --> 00:54:51.320 in because it doesn't make sense? And you know, I taught to say, 776 00:54:51.480 --> 00:54:52.519 you know, I understand it doesn't make sense to you, and it 777 00:54:52.519 --> 00:54:55.960 probably won't make a sense to a lot of people. But you saw this, 778 00:54:57.400 --> 00:55:00.239 You saw this, and it is important. So I I think a 779 00:55:00.239 --> 00:55:02.000 lot of people. They were happy to a degree. You know that people 780 00:55:02.000 --> 00:55:07.599 are happy to report classic sitings and things that can be accepted, but leave 781 00:55:07.679 --> 00:55:10.880 out the things which they don't believe will be accepted. And I do think 782 00:55:12.000 --> 00:55:15.639 that it's equally as important because it's again it's another little piece of the puzzle, 783 00:55:15.760 --> 00:55:22.360 and if multiple people around the world are having these experiences with this one 784 00:55:22.400 --> 00:55:25.559 particular thing, it's something else to add to the table. Well, like 785 00:55:25.679 --> 00:55:30.039 when I said I have had a big cat sighting, it's exactly what I've 786 00:55:30.039 --> 00:55:31.639 said to you before, Nick. I felt as if I was in a 787 00:55:31.679 --> 00:55:36.599 state of hypnosis what I was having it which is not which can be easily 788 00:55:36.639 --> 00:55:39.639 explained in physiological terms that if you if you saw a predator, you would 789 00:55:39.639 --> 00:55:45.760 freeze, right, we are prey animals would probably freeze, maybe put ourselves 790 00:55:45.800 --> 00:55:49.440 into a light hypnotic state to try and stay still. So that can be 791 00:55:49.480 --> 00:55:52.000 explained quite easily, because a lot of people mentioned that when they've seen these 792 00:55:52.000 --> 00:55:57.199 creatures that they freeze, you know, and my sighting wasn't good enough for 793 00:55:58.199 --> 00:56:01.679 I did send it off to a Rickmanter who does big cat conversations. He 794 00:56:01.760 --> 00:56:07.440 was very interested, but he obviously my photograph wasn't good enough as evidence. 795 00:56:07.840 --> 00:56:08.840 They're out. They're a bit out on a limb. They're a bit of 796 00:56:08.840 --> 00:56:13.000 an outlier actually, because there's a lot of evidence that they could be real. 797 00:56:13.159 --> 00:56:15.920 If you listen to his next podcast, he's going to talk in detail 798 00:56:15.920 --> 00:56:22.440 about the most recent DNA evidence, which is pretty conclusive. So seeing British 799 00:56:22.440 --> 00:56:25.000 big cats is not in the same not in the same realm perhaps as seeing 800 00:56:25.360 --> 00:56:30.039 bigfoot. You know, because British big cats could be real. There has 801 00:56:30.039 --> 00:56:32.320 been taught for many years that a lot of people would have these as pets 802 00:56:32.360 --> 00:56:35.880 and they would get too much from and release them. I mean we've had 803 00:56:36.079 --> 00:56:38.920 even in the Cotswolds sightings are big cats. So yeah, there is possible. 804 00:56:38.920 --> 00:56:43.079 But an interesting thing is actually when you when you said that, you 805 00:56:43.079 --> 00:56:45.920 you know, you froze. I think there's a belief when some kind of 806 00:56:46.199 --> 00:56:51.719 bridge real animals, they are able to give off a signal and energy to 807 00:56:51.760 --> 00:56:54.199 do this to stun their prey. There's something I've heard before when it comes 808 00:56:54.239 --> 00:57:00.559 to bigfoot sightings, where people have had experiences with bigfoots before they see something, 809 00:57:00.599 --> 00:57:02.719 they have this feeling. That's interesting. You say that because one of 810 00:57:02.719 --> 00:57:08.159 the things Joe Hall asked her guests on the Very podcast is did you make 811 00:57:08.199 --> 00:57:12.519 eye contact with it? Or did it make eye contact with you? She's 812 00:57:12.559 --> 00:57:15.360 always asked that question as if it's really important. So again, there's that 813 00:57:15.480 --> 00:57:20.920 hypnosis element to it, you know, and you were sort of sort of 814 00:57:21.599 --> 00:57:23.800 there and staring at it in amusement, aren't we? It's m Yeah, 815 00:57:23.880 --> 00:57:28.280 there's definitely something like that. There's definitely something like that going on. I'm 816 00:57:28.280 --> 00:57:30.119 not saying, I'm not saying all your phos are predatory, but that we 817 00:57:30.159 --> 00:57:35.679 react to them in that way. Is the connection something is making with us. 818 00:57:35.880 --> 00:57:37.559 In a past guest I had before she was she was in her house, 819 00:57:37.840 --> 00:57:40.239 in fact, she was another artist. She was in her house and 820 00:57:40.440 --> 00:57:45.039 she had the massive urge to go outside, go outside and look up. 821 00:57:45.599 --> 00:57:50.559 And sure enough she went outside, looked up and saw the subject. So 822 00:57:51.119 --> 00:57:53.400 you know, when people are having these experiences, there is a connection made 823 00:57:53.639 --> 00:57:58.599 from point A to point B. Yeah, very personal. It's very personal, 824 00:57:58.679 --> 00:58:01.719 isn't it. We're we now eight nine billion people? Is that eight 825 00:58:01.800 --> 00:58:07.079 to nine billion different experiences that we could all have? You know? Also, 826 00:58:07.119 --> 00:58:08.320 the thing with all these people, you know, women, they do 827 00:58:08.719 --> 00:58:14.000 mass meditation sessions across the world. Things do happen, and it's the same 828 00:58:14.039 --> 00:58:16.119 with people have to stay in balance and they have to be be happy and 829 00:58:16.199 --> 00:58:20.639 project this energy and positivity and all that. And again, if if the 830 00:58:20.679 --> 00:58:23.280 whole world connects the nine billion, eight billion, nine billion old people did 831 00:58:23.320 --> 00:58:25.800 this, the world would be a very different place. You know, this 832 00:58:25.960 --> 00:58:30.679 energy is positivity. Well, this is where it's so important for people like 833 00:58:30.760 --> 00:58:36.239 you are chronicling all this because this could all be evidence of how we can 834 00:58:36.239 --> 00:58:38.400 in to connect with one another. And I think that will be our future. 835 00:58:38.519 --> 00:58:42.480 We have had many many dark days. You know, there is light 836 00:58:42.519 --> 00:58:45.239 at that tunnel. It is possible. People need to connect. People need 837 00:58:45.280 --> 00:58:47.400 to stop being divided. So people need to, you know, look at 838 00:58:47.519 --> 00:58:51.559 what we are and what we are to this planet and to each other in 839 00:58:51.559 --> 00:58:54.679 a very different way, going to be all connected to our our personal development. 840 00:58:54.880 --> 00:58:58.239 Yeah, I mean, do you I mean do you think that some 841 00:58:58.320 --> 00:59:00.840 of these visions that people or how whether it's you, fas or whatever it 842 00:59:00.960 --> 00:59:05.199 is, could be part of their own healing in some way as well? 843 00:59:05.599 --> 00:59:07.960 That It's like in my case, I do feel that it's opened me up 844 00:59:07.960 --> 00:59:13.159 to having more experiences and it's it's opened me up to more self exploration. 845 00:59:13.280 --> 00:59:17.840 You know, I do well done for getting over me alcoholism. You know, 846 00:59:17.920 --> 00:59:22.480 it is very hard. That is a massive herd or which you've done. 847 00:59:22.519 --> 00:59:24.000 And I've got you on video now and you look in the picture of 848 00:59:24.039 --> 00:59:29.800 health, So congratulations. Yeah, I can assure you that being labeled as 849 00:59:29.840 --> 00:59:34.559 having a personality disorder at the age of sixteen, we're talking about pretty primitive 850 00:59:34.639 --> 00:59:38.400 days. In the mid seventies, still pretty primitive. They were still using 851 00:59:38.800 --> 00:59:43.719 ect in hospitals. I think today that that wouldn't have happened. I think 852 00:59:43.760 --> 00:59:46.079 they would have maybe gone down the road of giving me some sort of counseling 853 00:59:46.400 --> 00:59:51.119 rather than giving me a psychiatric label. It just goes to show, doesn't 854 00:59:51.119 --> 00:59:52.559 they. You know, you learn over time. You know, I've got 855 00:59:52.559 --> 00:59:57.440 friends and I've I've had guests on here which are dealt with whether it's alcohol 856 00:59:58.119 --> 01:00:00.960 or even drugs. You know, so never an easy thing to quit something 857 01:00:01.079 --> 01:00:05.559 which is so ingrained with you. So we know, well done. And 858 01:00:05.679 --> 01:00:08.920 anyone out there which is struggling with their own demons, you know, in 859 01:00:09.079 --> 01:00:15.079 whichever format is, don't give up. Well, I would highly recommend hypnosis 860 01:00:15.119 --> 01:00:17.880 to help with it. And I have tell you a podcast. I also 861 01:00:17.880 --> 01:00:22.320 recommend to people this Terrain Theory, which is two guys from the States, 862 01:00:22.719 --> 01:00:28.480 and it's that's all about natural health and helpfully living in stuff. And I 863 01:00:29.039 --> 01:00:32.079 was on there and I was finally we were talking about hypnosis on there as 864 01:00:32.119 --> 01:00:36.079 as a way of healing. You've got to qualify this and say it might 865 01:00:36.079 --> 01:00:38.039 not work for everybody, and some people will be very resistant to it, 866 01:00:38.199 --> 01:00:43.719 but I've found it hugely helpful. Yeah, you've just got to try things 867 01:00:43.960 --> 01:00:46.679 and what can work for you. Not everything is going to work for everyone, 868 01:00:46.840 --> 01:00:50.880 you know everyone you know people different, but definitely, but yeah, 869 01:00:50.880 --> 01:00:53.719 if you give us a link to that and i'll i'll happily add that the 870 01:00:53.760 --> 01:00:59.079 web page that will you know accompany this episode, and that was Terrain Theory. 871 01:00:59.320 --> 01:01:05.360 And the other podcast is Modern Fairies Podcast, Modern Fairy the Modern Fairiesightings 872 01:01:05.400 --> 01:01:07.360 Podcast. Right, Okay, I'll put a link to that as well, 873 01:01:07.400 --> 01:01:10.800 and I will certainly check to that. I'm always interested and our listeners are 874 01:01:10.880 --> 01:01:15.079 of new podcast. Thank you very much, Nick Stella. I really appreciate 875 01:01:15.079 --> 01:01:17.800 you coming on and sharing that for our listeners. Thank you, Take care 876 01:01:17.840 --> 01:01:22.000 and buy for now. That is all for today. Keep updated and connected 877 01:01:22.039 --> 01:01:25.519 with this show on Twitter, Facebook, and Instagram. And if you have 878 01:01:25.559 --> 01:01:30.360 an encounter that you'd like to share on the podcast, you can email me 879 01:01:30.519 --> 01:01:34.800 at UFO Chronicles at gmail dot com, or you can reach out to me 880 01:01:34.920 --> 01:01:39.320 via the contact page on my website UFO Chronicles podcast dot com. A big 881 01:01:39.360 --> 01:01:44.079 thank you to Paul and Stella for sharing tonight, and thank you all for 882 01:01:44.199 --> 01:01:47.920 listening. I will be back next week. Till then, stay safe and 883 01:01:49.039 --> 01:02:23.199 keep watching us guys. Goodbye,