WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.080 --> 00:00:04.759 My name is Will and I'm Garen, and unlike moulderin Scully, both want 2 00:00:04.759 --> 00:00:07.679 to believe. So we've embarked in a journey of discovery. We've talked to 3 00:00:07.679 --> 00:00:12.080 people deeply entrenched in the spiritual and metaphysical world. We've thrown ourselves into weird 4 00:00:12.119 --> 00:00:16.440 and wonderful experiences. I even joined a coven of witches and wait, you 5 00:00:16.519 --> 00:00:20.239 joined a coven yep, all in the interest of finding something, anything, 6 00:00:20.320 --> 00:00:24.120 that will prove that there's something beyond this physical, three dimensional world we all 7 00:00:24.160 --> 00:00:37.119 live in. This is the Skeptic Metaphysicians. This episode of The Skeptic Metaphysicians 8 00:00:37.200 --> 00:00:45.880 was recorded live at the Edgar Casey AAR. Welcome to New Awakenings with Edgar 9 00:00:45.920 --> 00:00:50.479 Casey's AAR. We're together through some incredible conversations. We go on beautiful journeys 10 00:00:50.520 --> 00:00:54.240 of discovery that might shape the way you think about things and could just change 11 00:00:54.280 --> 00:00:58.439 your life. We are your hosts, Karen and Will, and today we 12 00:00:58.479 --> 00:01:02.280 have a very special treat for you because you see, deep in the bowels 13 00:01:02.520 --> 00:01:07.560 of the Edgar Casey's are there lies a crypt that's full of mysterious items that 14 00:01:07.599 --> 00:01:14.719 are connected to the historic Edgar Casey. Well, it's not exactly like that, 15 00:01:15.159 --> 00:01:19.319 but it's close, but not exactly like that. And here to clarify 16 00:01:19.319 --> 00:01:23.640 it all for us is the director of Historic Preservation for the Edgar Casey Foundation, 17 00:01:23.000 --> 00:01:26.680 Jessica Noul. Jessica, welcome to the show. Thank you so much 18 00:01:26.719 --> 00:01:30.200 for having me the pleasures I have you now, Jessica. When I think 19 00:01:30.239 --> 00:01:33.200 of archivists and things like that, things that you do, what comes to 20 00:01:33.239 --> 00:01:41.359 mind is Nicholas Cage, National Treasure or Indiana Jones. Right, Hollywood tends 21 00:01:41.400 --> 00:01:44.879 to romanticize a lot of these things. So let's set the record straight. 22 00:01:45.040 --> 00:01:49.640 What exactly is it that you do here at the Foundation. I gotta say 23 00:01:49.719 --> 00:01:55.560 National Treasure was very formative in my younger years. Is that would like you 24 00:01:55.599 --> 00:01:59.799 know, move the needle, yes, Abygil Chase, the archivist. Yes, 25 00:02:00.000 --> 00:02:02.400 it's very, very influential I think in my upbringing. You know what, 26 00:02:02.840 --> 00:02:07.960 this just made the interview so much better that in your shoes, I 27 00:02:08.000 --> 00:02:15.199 love you so Yes. So the Edgar Casey Foundation, it is the archives 28 00:02:15.240 --> 00:02:20.199 that preserve the history of Edgar Casey and his psychic work in particular. So 29 00:02:20.280 --> 00:02:23.879 we were founded in nineteen forty eight. The are came about in nineteen thirty 30 00:02:23.960 --> 00:02:30.879 one, and so the are's Board of trustees voted to form an organization that 31 00:02:30.159 --> 00:02:36.960 would be specifically designated to preserve the k C readings, to organize them, 32 00:02:37.240 --> 00:02:40.719 and to make them available for research. So since nineteen forty eight we have 33 00:02:40.800 --> 00:02:46.240 been the custodians of that information. It has grown to be more of a 34 00:02:46.360 --> 00:02:53.520 history of the entire organizations as well as personal papers of the k Cy family 35 00:02:53.240 --> 00:02:59.479 and early influential ARE members. So there's a wide breadth of information that we 36 00:02:59.560 --> 00:03:05.479 have reserved there. Well, it's not quite a crypt like Will was describing 37 00:03:05.560 --> 00:03:07.919 where do you keep all of this stuff? But it would have been cool 38 00:03:07.960 --> 00:03:10.879 if it was. It is still cool, aesthetic would be on point. 39 00:03:13.000 --> 00:03:17.599 We actually are in the lower floor of the d'laski Education Center here on campus, 40 00:03:17.719 --> 00:03:23.719 where we have the office, reading room and also the archive storage area 41 00:03:23.039 --> 00:03:29.919 where the readings and our entire collection is housed. Now it is in a 42 00:03:29.960 --> 00:03:34.280 preservation environment, so we want to make sure that all of these treasures will 43 00:03:34.319 --> 00:03:38.479 be around for many years to come. So we keep the archival storage room 44 00:03:38.639 --> 00:03:44.159 at sixty four degrees. We monitor the humidity, we have a fire suppression 45 00:03:44.240 --> 00:03:49.360 system. It's in case and then all of the material is housed in archival 46 00:03:49.400 --> 00:03:58.439 boxes on movable powdered coated shelving, so we have the most stable environment that 47 00:03:58.479 --> 00:04:00.599 we can make down there. It is like the news I've seen it. 48 00:04:00.639 --> 00:04:03.280 There's like it's like a vault and there's like the things that you twist in 49 00:04:03.319 --> 00:04:06.360 the walls that moves very cool. So it does come to mind like the 50 00:04:06.360 --> 00:04:10.520 Indiana Jones and the very first movie, the Rasual of the Lost Arc at 51 00:04:10.560 --> 00:04:15.120 the very end when they're wheeling that box into that not quite that way different, 52 00:04:15.519 --> 00:04:20.319 everything's like file a way like that that, like how close is it 53 00:04:20.360 --> 00:04:26.000 to that that been? On a much smaller side, stuff do you have? 54 00:04:26.160 --> 00:04:28.120 I'll take you, I'll take you, yeah, so yeah, good 55 00:04:28.199 --> 00:04:30.199 question. How much does that? Yeah? So I would say we have 56 00:04:30.360 --> 00:04:36.920 about four hundred linear feet of material and that is all different kinds, so 57 00:04:38.040 --> 00:04:44.600 from papers to books, artifacts, blueprints, a lot of audio visual so 58 00:04:44.800 --> 00:04:51.680 film canisters wheeled to real tapes. Basically every format of recording in the twentieth 59 00:04:51.720 --> 00:04:57.199 century we have in some form, and I've seen some of the machines. 60 00:04:57.240 --> 00:05:01.519 I was lucky I get to go into the vaults. What very important, 61 00:05:04.680 --> 00:05:09.439 but there were just some kind of funky looking machines that were like, I 62 00:05:09.480 --> 00:05:13.279 don't know, prototypes, like, what are some of those funky looking machines. 63 00:05:13.319 --> 00:05:19.759 That's technical torture devices, not quite probably the opposite of that, healing 64 00:05:20.079 --> 00:05:26.680 healing devices. Yeah. Yeah, So we have several prototypes of what are 65 00:05:26.720 --> 00:05:33.560 called appliances of machines that were recommended by the readings to help with a certain 66 00:05:33.600 --> 00:05:42.800 illness. So we have violet ray machines, which the design was around, 67 00:05:44.040 --> 00:05:49.720 not in exactly the readings themselves, but it was used in the medical operations 68 00:05:49.720 --> 00:05:57.800 of the time. And then we also have etheronic machines and prototypes of oroscopes 69 00:05:57.839 --> 00:06:03.480 to see auras that specifically comes from the read the readings. Yes, so 70 00:06:03.519 --> 00:06:06.800 you took the readings and you made blueprints out of them. You made prototypes 71 00:06:06.800 --> 00:06:12.199 out of them from the blueprints inside the readings. Right, So people throughout 72 00:06:12.800 --> 00:06:15.560 history of this work were very interested in those sets of readings, and they 73 00:06:15.600 --> 00:06:19.000 build the prototypes and we're good enough to donate them to us for our collection. 74 00:06:19.879 --> 00:06:23.519 I love how smart she thinks we actually like etheronic machine. What is 75 00:06:23.560 --> 00:06:28.959 that? Like? We know, you know eic machine. Sure, what 76 00:06:29.160 --> 00:06:31.759 is an ethnic machine? Yeah? So the theory behind them is you're working 77 00:06:31.839 --> 00:06:39.639 with the natural energy of your body and balancing it to to help with your 78 00:06:39.680 --> 00:06:44.680 health. It's super cool. But why is it in a vault? Why 79 00:06:44.759 --> 00:06:47.399 is it not out for people to use or to duplicate or to mass produce. 80 00:06:47.639 --> 00:06:51.240 Is in this stuff that could be useful to humanity? It is, 81 00:06:51.360 --> 00:06:55.879 and that is why we are open for researchers, and so I have had 82 00:06:55.959 --> 00:07:00.240 people come. We're opened by appointment and they can actually come view the machines 83 00:07:00.279 --> 00:07:05.199 in our reading room, take all the notes the need photograph. So that's 84 00:07:05.240 --> 00:07:10.439 why the archive exists. It's not just for preservation, but the whole point 85 00:07:10.480 --> 00:07:15.959 of preservation is that we can share those items in that material God, and 86 00:07:15.000 --> 00:07:18.759 they have to be in that temperature and you're preserved. Otherwise, you know, 87 00:07:18.800 --> 00:07:21.480 they can deteriorate. And I know I've seen some paintings down there no 88 00:07:21.560 --> 00:07:26.160 one thing that I've seen. I think, you know what, I might 89 00:07:26.160 --> 00:07:32.319 be asking special books And you open the box and inside there's a hand. 90 00:07:32.920 --> 00:07:38.600 Is it? What? A hand? Is a hand? Yes? Hand? 91 00:07:39.000 --> 00:07:44.600 Yes? So like our human hand we do yes, what There's not 92 00:07:44.720 --> 00:07:49.600 a ton of provenants for it, so it is a mummified hand. From 93 00:07:49.600 --> 00:07:57.199 Egypt that was donated to the archive several decades ago, and so we're actually 94 00:07:57.240 --> 00:08:01.120 planning on what is the most appropriate thing to do with this because it's it's 95 00:08:01.199 --> 00:08:07.839 human remains, So we're looking into can we repatriated back to Egypt? Can 96 00:08:07.879 --> 00:08:15.079 we work with universities connected with the Egyptian scientists and archaeologists. So we want 97 00:08:15.120 --> 00:08:18.920 to make sure that we're being a good steward of that because in our archive 98 00:08:20.560 --> 00:08:24.079 it's not being used to its full potential as an educational tool. Sure, 99 00:08:24.759 --> 00:08:28.240 we're working to see what is the most appropriate thing to do. So this 100 00:08:28.319 --> 00:08:30.720 might not make the final edit of the show, but I'm going to ask 101 00:08:30.839 --> 00:08:35.919 how was it like who donated donated it here? And why would they think 102 00:08:37.000 --> 00:08:39.480 that, hey, let's give them a hand. Hey maybe they wanted to 103 00:08:39.480 --> 00:08:45.840 help them. I think the connection with the egypt material and the reading. 104 00:08:46.440 --> 00:08:50.960 So you mentioned the vault being open, the archives archives, what's how do 105 00:08:50.960 --> 00:08:54.679 you? I tend to call it archives, that's just me, but I 106 00:08:54.960 --> 00:09:01.279 know historically that's it's been them. So the vault containing the archives, you 107 00:09:01.320 --> 00:09:05.080 mentioned that it was open for researchers to come by appointment. So if you're 108 00:09:05.120 --> 00:09:09.399 not a researcher, but you wanted to see the hand. For example, 109 00:09:09.799 --> 00:09:15.519 is it and the machine the machine than the hand. Would you be able 110 00:09:15.519 --> 00:09:18.039 to make an appointment to come in just anyone off the suite or is it 111 00:09:18.120 --> 00:09:22.919 specific to particular folks that were really kind of limiting it to It can really 112 00:09:22.919 --> 00:09:26.519 be anyone. It's interested in being the material, right, So I thought 113 00:09:26.559 --> 00:09:31.320 I was so special or special because you got to see it before I do. 114 00:09:33.039 --> 00:09:37.039 Yeah, So it'd be either calling the archives sending me an email. 115 00:09:37.519 --> 00:09:41.639 If you want to look at something specific, it's really great to contact me 116 00:09:41.720 --> 00:09:48.759 beforehand. For instance, we have graduate students I've had come in with the 117 00:09:48.840 --> 00:09:54.440 collections, and so we have online a catalog of everything that is in the 118 00:09:54.559 --> 00:09:58.080 archive. So it's great that they can come to me say I'm interested in 119 00:09:58.080 --> 00:10:03.120 this topic where I have a few research questions I want to answer. I 120 00:10:03.200 --> 00:10:09.399 can then go look at the archive. He's my judgment. They're looking for 121 00:10:09.440 --> 00:10:13.759 a specific thing. Maybe they know the box numbers that they want. Maybe 122 00:10:13.799 --> 00:10:16.840 I know something that's relevant to their research question that they even know that they 123 00:10:16.879 --> 00:10:20.600 want to look at. Wow, So then I can prepare so when they 124 00:10:20.679 --> 00:10:24.120 arrive they have all the materials laid out and then we have a conversation and 125 00:10:24.240 --> 00:10:28.320 it's very much a dialogue between the archivist and the research or to make sure 126 00:10:28.399 --> 00:10:31.919 that they're getting the information that they need. Is that's really cool? That 127 00:10:33.000 --> 00:10:35.919 is really I think it's I think it's wonderful that anybody can come and you 128 00:10:35.919 --> 00:10:37.879 know, make an appointment and see it. So it's not I mean, 129 00:10:37.879 --> 00:10:41.720 it's like cool and kind of secret, but but it's accessible to everyone. 130 00:10:41.039 --> 00:10:46.080 It's an open secret Indiana Jones Bolts, for sure, it is not. 131 00:10:46.559 --> 00:10:50.279 No, you don't have to like push aside any like rolling balls of doom 132 00:10:50.440 --> 00:11:01.200 and you know, it's just bring it back of sand. So we'll make 133 00:11:01.240 --> 00:11:05.159 it a switch. Now. Uh, you have another incredible area here at 134 00:11:05.200 --> 00:11:11.320 the are that is world renowned and that is your library. And I I 135 00:11:11.440 --> 00:11:15.159 D tell us a little bit. Why is this library so famous? It's 136 00:11:15.159 --> 00:11:20.279 incredible. Yeah, So our library here at the are has existed ever since 137 00:11:20.320 --> 00:11:26.039 the area has existed basically wow, and even a little bit beforehand. So 138 00:11:26.200 --> 00:11:33.480 originally the library collection belonged to Atlantic University now its first incarnation in the late 139 00:11:33.559 --> 00:11:41.960 nineteen twenties to nineteen thirty one. So AGU and the Hasey Hospital there's operating 140 00:11:43.039 --> 00:11:48.159 the time they were working together. So there's this small library there for use 141 00:11:48.440 --> 00:11:52.440 of people visiting hospital, of people in Shod Edgar Casey's work, and the 142 00:11:52.440 --> 00:11:58.080 AU students, and so that collection grew over the years. M So the 143 00:11:58.159 --> 00:12:05.519 topics cover everything in the readings, So all of those core concepts body, 144 00:12:05.559 --> 00:12:09.240 mind, spirit. The library is where you go to find the information to 145 00:12:09.279 --> 00:12:16.279 put these concepts into practice in your own life. So we house not only 146 00:12:16.799 --> 00:12:20.679 medical information, right, So you can read the readings, you can get 147 00:12:20.720 --> 00:12:24.960 the context of what Edgar was talking about. So we have books that are 148 00:12:26.360 --> 00:12:31.320 concurrent with that time period, so you can kind of make a comparison between 149 00:12:31.360 --> 00:12:37.639 then and now, and then also what are the advancements in medical science since 150 00:12:37.679 --> 00:12:41.519 that time that you can apply. Wow, not only just the medical but 151 00:12:41.679 --> 00:12:48.159 also we have represented all of the wisdom traditions of the world. Right. 152 00:12:48.240 --> 00:12:52.360 So you're on your spiritual path, We're here to guide you to find your 153 00:12:52.399 --> 00:12:58.600 own path, right. So the library is a great way to explore different 154 00:12:58.600 --> 00:13:01.639 spiritualities, different faith traditions and kind of get a better idea of where you 155 00:13:01.720 --> 00:13:05.519 want to move forward. Right. And when you come in and you walk 156 00:13:05.559 --> 00:13:09.639 around, you see this one area where you see there's like a couch where 157 00:13:09.639 --> 00:13:15.159 he Edgar used to do his readings. I called mister Casey. I was 158 00:13:15.200 --> 00:13:22.519 just you know, she called Edgar. You know I've seen the hand. 159 00:13:26.519 --> 00:13:31.240 But there's this wall full of all these brown volumes. What exactly are those? 160 00:13:31.840 --> 00:13:35.320 So those are hard copies of all of the readings. So when you 161 00:13:35.320 --> 00:13:39.639 come to the Arie Library, we have a readings research area where you can 162 00:13:39.720 --> 00:13:46.200 go and look up any reading we have adjacent to the wall of around binders 163 00:13:46.240 --> 00:13:50.639 World. The Readings is a card catalog and that catalog was started by Gladys 164 00:13:50.720 --> 00:13:58.919 Davis Turner, Edgar Casey's stenographer, secretary founder of the Edgar Casey Foundation Archive, 165 00:14:00.279 --> 00:14:05.480 with her team and so starting in nineteen forty nine she was categorizing, 166 00:14:05.720 --> 00:14:11.679 organizing, indexing all of the readings. It took her from nineteen forty nine 167 00:14:11.960 --> 00:14:16.799 to nineteen seventy one. That's a job for her and her team to complete 168 00:14:16.799 --> 00:14:22.519 this project. Wow. So that is the for the library patient to use, 169 00:14:22.039 --> 00:14:28.360 and that was used for the online database that the are has as part 170 00:14:28.399 --> 00:14:35.200 of membership. So with the readings, they're transcribed and they also have a 171 00:14:35.240 --> 00:14:41.600 search engine. So that is all based on her work over those decades. 172 00:14:41.559 --> 00:14:46.039 That's a lot of work. That is a lot of work. Is there 173 00:14:46.039 --> 00:14:48.840 a difference between what's in those volumes? And then there's the file like the 174 00:14:48.879 --> 00:14:52.840 big filing cabinets I think is that just medical the filing cabinets. Yeah, 175 00:14:52.840 --> 00:14:58.440 the filing cabinets have what we call circulating files, and so they're extracts from 176 00:14:58.480 --> 00:15:03.039 the reading on particular topics. So it's a great way to get started. 177 00:15:03.159 --> 00:15:09.000 If you're interested in something very specific, you can go to that circulating file 178 00:15:09.480 --> 00:15:15.399 and it gives you a great overview of everything that was said on that topic 179 00:15:15.440 --> 00:15:18.279 in the readings. Oh wow, that is a lot of work. Go 180 00:15:18.399 --> 00:15:22.759 Gladys, Holy cow. Yeah, And back to the couch. That is 181 00:15:22.799 --> 00:15:28.320 the original couch, right that Edgar Casey would go into trance and Gladys would 182 00:15:28.720 --> 00:15:33.879 take notes as he was speaking, and that's where the readings came from. 183 00:15:33.919 --> 00:15:35.440 So you can actually now you can't sit on it, so you can come 184 00:15:35.519 --> 00:15:39.480 and look at it if you're interested in that kind of historical artifact. It's 185 00:15:39.480 --> 00:15:43.559 not in the vault. It's actually fully available to be looked at at the 186 00:15:43.559 --> 00:15:46.759 library, which is very very cool. And then so do you have the 187 00:15:46.799 --> 00:15:54.279 original works in the vault. Yes, so overview the Edgar Casey readings new 188 00:15:54.440 --> 00:16:00.440 archive. So when Edgar would give a reading, Gladys would transcribe in hand 189 00:16:00.639 --> 00:16:07.399 in her sonographer's notebook, she would transcribe her notes into a clean copy. 190 00:16:07.039 --> 00:16:11.759 She'd make a carbon of that, so the recipient of the reading would get 191 00:16:12.360 --> 00:16:17.679 that original transcribed copy, and then Gladys would keep the carbon. So what 192 00:16:17.799 --> 00:16:25.080 we have are the carbons. Also any and all correspondence between Edgar Casey and 193 00:16:25.120 --> 00:16:30.240 that reading recipient, so any letters, photographs, any sort of communication between 194 00:16:30.279 --> 00:16:34.200 the two cloud has kept all of it. Wow. So each person has 195 00:16:34.240 --> 00:16:40.720 a case file numbered with their particular number, so their reading is in there. 196 00:16:41.080 --> 00:16:45.360 Sometimes people donated those transcripts back to us as well. And yeah, 197 00:16:45.519 --> 00:16:52.080 letters, postcards, photographs, X rays, anything that sent between we have 198 00:16:52.200 --> 00:16:59.519 in those files. I say, the excitement that comes out when you talk 199 00:16:59.519 --> 00:17:03.559 about these things is contagious. You really love what you do and you can 200 00:17:03.639 --> 00:17:08.160 really feel it's that's amazing. So I'm really feeling that, Yeah, I'm 201 00:17:08.160 --> 00:17:12.359 going to have the expanse of knowledge. You look too young to have this 202 00:17:12.759 --> 00:17:18.880 knowledge in your head. It really is something that gets absorbed over time. 203 00:17:18.880 --> 00:17:22.720 Once you're working with the material, especially, so processing an archival collection, 204 00:17:23.759 --> 00:17:29.759 you have to know everything that is in it, historical context of it, 205 00:17:29.839 --> 00:17:33.319 who these people are, whose letters you're reading, whose documents you're preserving, 206 00:17:33.599 --> 00:17:37.240 because that helps you become a better archivist and to be able to help those 207 00:17:37.240 --> 00:17:41.640 people that are coming to you for research. So when you're reading that stuff 208 00:17:41.720 --> 00:17:47.640 day after day, you kind of really get to know people. Not really, 209 00:17:48.000 --> 00:17:49.759 you don't know them as if you were friends with them in person, 210 00:17:51.240 --> 00:17:56.839 but you kind of get to know their documentary well. And also you're kind 211 00:17:56.839 --> 00:18:00.599 of learning about their medical history, so you're really learning about these people. 212 00:18:00.759 --> 00:18:03.640 A lot of them are no longer here, but on that kind of deeply 213 00:18:03.680 --> 00:18:07.640 personal level, which is really really interesting. It's like a really intimate kind 214 00:18:07.640 --> 00:18:10.079 of almost like a time machine, so you get to meet them from through 215 00:18:10.079 --> 00:18:12.039 a time machine. That's kind of cool. And with all of this material 216 00:18:12.079 --> 00:18:15.200 that they have them started to think it is more and more like the Indiana 217 00:18:15.279 --> 00:18:21.799 Jones at the that's a lot of stuff, a lot of stuff, right. 218 00:18:22.160 --> 00:18:26.079 One last question about the library. Can you go and check out the 219 00:18:26.119 --> 00:18:30.079 books or do you like all of them? Even the brown volumes? Can 220 00:18:30.119 --> 00:18:32.480 you check those out? Or are those just to look at their and so 221 00:18:32.519 --> 00:18:36.079 the brown volumes of the readings, they're there for reference. But we do 222 00:18:36.160 --> 00:18:40.839 have a circulation collection and so you're able to check them out if you're an 223 00:18:40.839 --> 00:18:45.640 a member or if you live in the Hampton Roads area. We do have 224 00:18:45.680 --> 00:18:48.759 a community card option, So we want to make sure that we're being successible 225 00:18:49.400 --> 00:18:53.599 to the community around us that we can be. And we also have ebooks 226 00:18:55.319 --> 00:19:00.240 online, so ebooks and audio books that correspond to the subjects in our collection, 227 00:19:00.920 --> 00:19:04.240 and they're the same available in the same way. Now, when you 228 00:19:04.240 --> 00:19:10.400 mentioned Hampton Roads for those of the viewers or listeners who aren't from the area, 229 00:19:11.240 --> 00:19:15.440 mean that's the Virginia Beach area or do you include the all the seven 230 00:19:15.519 --> 00:19:18.599 cities in this area? We include all the seven cities. Oh wow, 231 00:19:18.839 --> 00:19:21.680 okay, that's fantastic. That is great. So if you are in the 232 00:19:21.720 --> 00:19:25.160 area and you want to have access to this, come talk to Jessica shall 233 00:19:25.200 --> 00:19:29.240 hook you up for sure. Absolutely, a lot of the a lot of 234 00:19:29.279 --> 00:19:36.920 the reference books, the readings and things like that are written in It was 235 00:19:36.960 --> 00:19:38.960 a long time ago, so that the English was different than the English that 236 00:19:38.960 --> 00:19:47.839 we used. Now, is there some way to understand it better? Is 237 00:19:47.880 --> 00:19:52.079 there a translation that's being brought about. Is there someone like me who can't 238 00:19:52.119 --> 00:19:55.720 read that different? Is it that different? It is very different, and 239 00:19:55.839 --> 00:19:57.640 it's not like Old English. It is kind of old English other thys and 240 00:19:57.720 --> 00:20:03.440 thous you have. Absolutely, Yeah, it does take some getting used to 241 00:20:03.559 --> 00:20:07.480 the verbiage used in the readings. It's I kind of like to think about 242 00:20:08.400 --> 00:20:12.119 if you remember in school reading Shakespeare and it takes you a little bit of 243 00:20:12.119 --> 00:20:15.759 time for your mind to get in that zone. Yeah, I'm still waiting 244 00:20:15.799 --> 00:20:21.599 for that point. Just watch some period movies. No I can't, and 245 00:20:21.640 --> 00:20:25.599 then tell read this up. Yeah. Yeah, So that's how I like 246 00:20:25.640 --> 00:20:29.039 to think about it. But also in the library, there's lots of secondary 247 00:20:29.079 --> 00:20:33.279 sources, right, so there are people interpreting the readings, writing about topics. 248 00:20:33.519 --> 00:20:40.319 So I always recommend try to go to those secondary sources, read them, 249 00:20:40.440 --> 00:20:44.319 kind of get a better idea of what's being spoken about in the readings, 250 00:20:44.359 --> 00:20:48.880 and then you can go back to that original study the two and kind 251 00:20:48.880 --> 00:20:52.519 of get a fuller understanding. Right. So it is a commitment. You 252 00:20:52.599 --> 00:20:56.480 really need to be interested in this topic to really kind of go down this 253 00:20:56.559 --> 00:21:02.400 rabbit hole, because there is a time commitment that comes to it to fully 254 00:21:02.400 --> 00:21:07.160 truly absorb and understand the material, which is incredibly beneficial when you take the 255 00:21:07.200 --> 00:21:11.559 time to do it. But like anything that's worthwhile, the effort is worth 256 00:21:11.839 --> 00:21:17.960 the effort different the result is worth it. Thank you, That's what I 257 00:21:18.000 --> 00:21:22.640 said it. But all right, I am so excited to visit you in 258 00:21:22.799 --> 00:21:27.119 the archives, the vault. We've been the library. I love it. 259 00:21:27.200 --> 00:21:33.039 We spend many hours in that library to get in there a the time the 260 00:21:33.039 --> 00:21:37.000 same way. Yeah, she's thirteen and she's like, you know, we 261 00:21:37.079 --> 00:21:41.839 got to pull her out. Yes, And every type of topic from everything 262 00:21:41.880 --> 00:21:45.759 from UFOs to religion to you name it, it is in there, and 263 00:21:45.799 --> 00:21:48.880 it is It's a rabbit hole that I get lost in all the time. 264 00:21:48.319 --> 00:21:53.039 I can only imagine how much better the vault would be. So I'm going 265 00:21:53.039 --> 00:21:56.839 to have to reach out to you, but we are out of time. 266 00:21:57.200 --> 00:22:02.880 But we really really appreciate you coming and telling us, I mean, sharing 267 00:22:03.000 --> 00:22:08.680 of the energies that you have for this archive that you so lovingly cater to. 268 00:22:08.799 --> 00:22:11.119 So thank you so much for coming and talking to us. Thank you 269 00:22:11.160 --> 00:22:15.799 both, and I'm very excited to share more of the archive and library with 270 00:22:15.880 --> 00:22:18.200 people. Come to visit. Thank you so much. Thank you, And 271 00:22:18.359 --> 00:22:22.440 actually i'd be remiss if someone wanted to reach out to you. What's the 272 00:22:22.480 --> 00:22:26.079 best way for them to do that? Best way would be through email, 273 00:22:26.599 --> 00:22:32.079 So it would be ECF at Edgar Kase dot org and that'll come straight to 274 00:22:32.119 --> 00:22:34.839 me and we'll be able to set up appointment. 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