1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:03,200 And it hits me, Oh my gosh, this is that triangle. You 2 00:00:03,240 --> 00:00:07,679 know, there's explanation for everything that occurred in the wranglestamparstent. It doesn't involve 3 00:00:07,839 --> 00:00:12,640 aliens at all. It was completely silent. It comes right over our heads. 4 00:00:13,039 --> 00:00:17,480 It's so classic Gli Sorcier. Really standing in the cleary, he turned 5 00:00:17,519 --> 00:00:20,079 over to my father and held his hand, and he looked in his eyes 6 00:00:20,120 --> 00:00:28,199 and said, we're not alone. Welcome to podcast UFO for our live show. 7 00:00:28,679 --> 00:00:33,119 We're live every Wednesday at eight pm Eastern Standard Time on the Dark Matter 8 00:00:33,280 --> 00:00:40,000 Radio Network. Please remember to visit the website podcastufo dot com for past episodes, 9 00:00:40,119 --> 00:00:44,240 blogs, and forums. During the show, feel free to participate live 10 00:00:44,280 --> 00:00:48,280 in our chat room, and don't forget to like us on our very active 11 00:00:48,320 --> 00:00:52,200 Facebook page. Hello everyone, this is Martin. Willis your host, and 12 00:00:52,280 --> 00:00:57,159 we have a great show coming up for you this evening Robert Davis, PhD. 13 00:00:57,399 --> 00:01:02,079 He'll be talking about his new book, The UFI Phenomenon Should I Believe? 14 00:01:03,000 --> 00:01:06,519 And that's actually part of the title. I'm not saying should I Believe? 15 00:01:07,079 --> 00:01:08,680 Anyway, I just got it in the mail a few minutes ago, 16 00:01:08,840 --> 00:01:15,159 so I probably won't have that read by the time Robert is on, and 17 00:01:15,200 --> 00:01:21,319 he'll be coming up after Alejandro Rojas from Open Minds TV. He'll be talking 18 00:01:21,359 --> 00:01:23,840 about the latest UFO events. Now, don't forget. We have some new 19 00:01:23,879 --> 00:01:29,439 T shirts on our website and has a nice image on it's nice lookod shirts. 20 00:01:29,599 --> 00:01:34,239 They're only nineteen ninety nine with free shipping in the continental US. And 21 00:01:34,519 --> 00:01:38,239 I'm also going to have my T shirts available where at the UFO well, 22 00:01:38,280 --> 00:01:45,200 I should say the International UFO Congress next week and Phoenix right outside of Phoenix, 23 00:01:45,280 --> 00:01:49,079 Arizona. And by the way, I'll be coming at your live on 24 00:01:49,120 --> 00:01:53,599 the Dark Matter Radio Network right there on site. And I have Tom Reid's 25 00:01:53,640 --> 00:01:57,000 going to be joining us. So far plus more. I hope we'll see 26 00:01:57,000 --> 00:02:00,280 what happens with that. If you're at the show, please don't be shy, 27 00:02:00,519 --> 00:02:04,920 come say hi to me, and you can even hang out. Just 28 00:02:05,159 --> 00:02:07,840 please. If you're going to have your tinfoil hats, just leave them at 29 00:02:07,840 --> 00:02:12,800 home. Otherwise you're welcome to hang out with me and talk. It'll be 30 00:02:12,800 --> 00:02:15,439 fun to meet up with some people. And I know there has to be 31 00:02:15,520 --> 00:02:20,319 people listening to this show that will be there. It just has to be 32 00:02:21,159 --> 00:02:24,360 and I want to thank everyone for their support. This is a time I 33 00:02:24,400 --> 00:02:28,800 want to do a quick little shout out. If you are subscribing for five 34 00:02:28,840 --> 00:02:31,319 dollars or more a month, I will shout out your name, and I'm 35 00:02:31,319 --> 00:02:35,560 not going to use your full name unless you asked me to. A few 36 00:02:35,560 --> 00:02:39,000 people emailed me say if you've been listening to me since I have done this 37 00:02:39,360 --> 00:02:46,240 server migration, my email has gone up somewhere into the digital ether, and 38 00:02:46,319 --> 00:02:47,960 I have no idea who it was said I could use her full name. 39 00:02:49,039 --> 00:02:52,719 So I'm going to start out. Our number one supporter is Philip S, 40 00:02:53,879 --> 00:03:00,159 Donna Ka, Gary O, Robin no last initial there, Mary Ann and 41 00:03:00,599 --> 00:03:08,120 Jordan B Ed S, Dan B David m Anders, Jay, David M 42 00:03:08,159 --> 00:03:15,879 Again, Sid R, Todd L john S, Mark P. Chuck A, 43 00:03:15,439 --> 00:03:23,919 Bobby H, Jeremy Z, Frank B, Jeff Throw, Jay, 44 00:03:23,520 --> 00:03:31,159 randall S, Robin D, Bill E, Allen S, Daniel M. 45 00:03:31,719 --> 00:03:38,520 Gabe W. Bruce F. James Roberts, Bruce R. Brett Jones, 46 00:03:38,800 --> 00:03:43,039 and Richard G. Thank you all very much, and thank you other you 47 00:03:43,080 --> 00:03:46,919 know, the dollar supporters, that's great too, and thank you for listening 48 00:03:46,960 --> 00:03:51,319 even if you're not supporting us. And you know that's enough for me talking. 49 00:03:51,360 --> 00:03:53,719 It's about time we bring in Alejandro. How are you? Alejandro? 50 00:03:54,240 --> 00:04:00,879 Good? But you left a couple names out I did ye? Do you 51 00:04:00,960 --> 00:04:06,479 let that ip freely? And see more? Butts? I always forget those 52 00:04:06,719 --> 00:04:11,000 two. Yeah, yeah, they're on the lower level anyway. You know 53 00:04:11,039 --> 00:04:15,560 they're a month. Yeah, it's cheap o's. Yeah. So what's happening 54 00:04:15,759 --> 00:04:19,720 for the news? So yeah, I'm gonna kind of bring you some news. 55 00:04:21,279 --> 00:04:27,279 It's I'm a little disjointed. It's not that I'm having a bad attitude 56 00:04:27,279 --> 00:04:33,639 about stuff. I'm just tired. I'm a little jet leg and I so 57 00:04:33,720 --> 00:04:40,800 I'm not totally caught up because we are on the news because of course we've 58 00:04:40,800 --> 00:04:45,480 been swamped with this UFO Congress stuff. So you're basically saying you're not on 59 00:04:45,560 --> 00:04:49,079 your game today. Yeah, not on my game, and that's okay. 60 00:04:49,480 --> 00:04:53,879 So I want to talk more about like just my life and what's been going 61 00:04:53,920 --> 00:04:57,720 on. Okay, Hey, look, next week you will not be you 62 00:04:57,759 --> 00:05:00,600 won't even have time to breathe next week, So you know, no news 63 00:05:00,639 --> 00:05:04,279 next week when I'm live there, if you're walking by the mic and pop 64 00:05:04,279 --> 00:05:08,360 in and say hi. But I don't think that's going to happen. I'll 65 00:05:08,360 --> 00:05:14,519 try. You never know, it's just you know, sometimes everything's going smooth, 66 00:05:14,560 --> 00:05:17,519 but then something, you know, goes haywire and we've got to run 67 00:05:17,560 --> 00:05:21,319 around where someone comes and they're like, you know, I've got a carousel 68 00:05:21,519 --> 00:05:26,399 sludge, can you I just want you to scan these and this is going 69 00:05:26,439 --> 00:05:30,879 to be my presentation. They don't wait to last year, you know something 70 00:05:30,920 --> 00:05:33,040 like that, Hey, how many years have you been involved in this yourself? 71 00:05:35,240 --> 00:05:41,000 You know, this is our fifth year where we're running it completely. 72 00:05:41,480 --> 00:05:46,959 The year prior to that, the two thousand and eight I was involved where 73 00:05:46,079 --> 00:05:50,079 it was kind of a transitional where we were informing people about you know, 74 00:05:50,160 --> 00:05:55,160 Open Minds and how we'd be taking it over, and so I ate it 75 00:05:55,160 --> 00:05:59,759 in that And then prior to that I worked the Congress I think it was 76 00:05:59,800 --> 00:06:04,160 too thousand and six, where I ran the register in the mornings and then 77 00:06:04,199 --> 00:06:12,560 watched the lectures in the evenings. So and then even prior to that I 78 00:06:12,639 --> 00:06:16,639 was involved a bit. So it's been a while and this is the number 79 00:06:16,639 --> 00:06:23,519 one in the whole entire world? Is it? Not? The whole entire 80 00:06:24,279 --> 00:06:27,680 world? As far as we know. I know in China, they have 81 00:06:27,720 --> 00:06:32,319 a huge organization there. However, I don't know that they have regular conferences. 82 00:06:32,360 --> 00:06:38,839 And I've asked doctor shun Shili or we have who runs the group over 83 00:06:38,879 --> 00:06:43,360 there, and he says they don't have anything regular annual type of deal. 84 00:06:43,879 --> 00:06:48,000 I've heard, you know of conferences that happened sporadically here and there, but 85 00:06:48,120 --> 00:06:54,920 as far as an annual conference, yes, we are the largest. So 86 00:06:55,000 --> 00:06:58,720 that's kind of cool. That is pretty cool. So do we have any 87 00:06:58,920 --> 00:07:01,199 did you get at Yeah, I mean I've got some news. I can't 88 00:07:01,240 --> 00:07:06,279 say that I'm well versed on the details. I was actually in New York 89 00:07:06,319 --> 00:07:10,360 the last couple of days. I got to go to a film junket, 90 00:07:10,959 --> 00:07:14,519 so that's the jet lags, yeah, for Chappie, which is a really 91 00:07:14,519 --> 00:07:17,959 cool movie by the way. So yeah, so that's really cool. But 92 00:07:18,040 --> 00:07:24,879 let's see here. This is something Jason just posted this morning, which is 93 00:07:25,120 --> 00:07:31,759 this people who are making some bathroom carpets out of that are based off of 94 00:07:31,800 --> 00:07:36,120 crop circle designs, so that are very pretty, you know, crop circle 95 00:07:36,160 --> 00:07:42,519 designed type deals here, So it's kind of cool or is it the other 96 00:07:42,519 --> 00:07:47,000 way around, people making crop circles off the bathroom mets? I don't know, 97 00:07:47,079 --> 00:07:50,720 but anyway, that's that's a good point. They'd have to research that 98 00:07:50,959 --> 00:07:59,920 further. But there's some cool sightings that Muffon's posted Roger Marsha North Caro, 99 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:07,199 Carolina witness since he saw UFO Triangle ufover Military Terminal. This one's really neat. 100 00:08:07,759 --> 00:08:13,560 This is a video and the videos are quite large, and they should 101 00:08:13,560 --> 00:08:18,279 have put these on YouTube so they could be accessed more easily. But they're 102 00:08:18,519 --> 00:08:26,079 like downloadable files. But this is a video supposedly over Red Rocks Amphitheater that's 103 00:08:26,120 --> 00:08:31,040 in Colorado. Yeah, in fact, that's where I spent most That's probably 104 00:08:31,040 --> 00:08:35,399 where I've seen most of my concerts because once you go to Red Rocks, 105 00:08:35,399 --> 00:08:39,320 because I lived in Denver, you don't want to go anywhere else. It's 106 00:08:39,399 --> 00:08:43,679 only open this summer. It's absolutely incredible. It's really many any shows there 107 00:08:43,679 --> 00:08:50,440 back in the late seventies. Well, luckily, my favorite bands, you 108 00:08:50,480 --> 00:08:56,440 know, especially in the two thousands and even in the nineties and stuff where 109 00:08:56,720 --> 00:09:01,399 Radiohead and York were two of my absolute favorite and they loved Red Rocks. 110 00:09:01,399 --> 00:09:05,720 So they would come to Red Rocks almost every year at least quite often, 111 00:09:05,120 --> 00:09:09,279 and so I would go see them every time they went there, and it's 112 00:09:09,320 --> 00:09:15,679 just spectacular. So yeah, so this is a really interesting kind of circular 113 00:09:16,720 --> 00:09:24,159 shaped lights flying over red rocks. But overall, mouf On says that their 114 00:09:24,240 --> 00:09:28,399 reports are up in January. In fact, they say they have a forty 115 00:09:28,440 --> 00:09:35,639 four point five percent increase in sightings in January compared to December of twenty fourteen. 116 00:09:37,080 --> 00:09:39,320 Wow, did they go per year on something like that, like, 117 00:09:39,440 --> 00:09:45,039 for instance, January last year there were this many sightings and it's up. 118 00:09:45,080 --> 00:09:48,639 Well, they could, but they didn't in this case. But that would 119 00:09:48,679 --> 00:09:54,120 be really interesting to look at. I have those numbers, so maybe I'll 120 00:09:54,120 --> 00:09:58,480 do that at some point or you know, I wouldn't be opposed to sending 121 00:09:58,480 --> 00:10:05,039 you my spreadsheet on this if you want to take a look. But they 122 00:10:05,080 --> 00:10:09,159 compared it to December, so but that's an interesting question of how we compare 123 00:10:09,159 --> 00:10:13,720 it to January. Usually the summer months are when there are more sightings. 124 00:10:13,720 --> 00:10:16,759 I think it's just because there's more clear sky so people can see more and 125 00:10:16,799 --> 00:10:20,960 more people outside. That's right, But that would be interesting to look at. 126 00:10:22,320 --> 00:10:26,200 Yeah. Otherwise, you know, there's I think we talked about the 127 00:10:26,279 --> 00:10:31,120 roswell slides that's making a lot of news and this undoing still ongoing, and 128 00:10:31,360 --> 00:10:37,639 I put a documentary, a trailer to a documentary that it seems one of 129 00:10:37,679 --> 00:10:43,519 the photo analysts is going to make on the slides. And in this documentary 130 00:10:43,879 --> 00:10:50,000 you can actually see some more details about the slides. In fact, in 131 00:10:50,120 --> 00:10:56,320 one scene, the person is looking at a slide on like a light table. 132 00:10:56,879 --> 00:11:01,679 Someone zoomed in on that in large it and fixed it so it wasn't 133 00:11:01,679 --> 00:11:07,080 at an angle, so you can get more of an idea of what the 134 00:11:07,200 --> 00:11:13,120 slide actually looks like. So it's a little less fuzzied up than the ones 135 00:11:13,159 --> 00:11:18,840 that we've seen. And I've got to say that this slide is very, 136 00:11:18,960 --> 00:11:26,320 very underwhelming. Now do you have a picture? We can put that in 137 00:11:26,360 --> 00:11:31,960 the show notes? Yeah, you know what I know it's UFO Chronicles has 138 00:11:33,279 --> 00:11:35,639 that slide up. And I don't think I'm gonna have time to write a 139 00:11:35,679 --> 00:11:39,919 story on yeah and put it up, but see where I can find that 140 00:11:39,440 --> 00:11:46,919 UFO Chronicles has it up. So and that's who I tweeted, all right, 141 00:11:46,039 --> 00:11:50,159 retweeted on and what have gotten the info from? So no, that's 142 00:11:50,200 --> 00:11:52,919 really interesting. Otherwise, of course, the Stephen Greer thing is still making 143 00:11:54,480 --> 00:11:58,519 a lot of noise. Most analysts are quite certain that video was flares. 144 00:11:58,600 --> 00:12:03,679 But a lot of discussion about that video. We discussed last week as well. 145 00:12:05,039 --> 00:12:07,879 You know, I did a podcast on my other podcast, which is 146 00:12:07,879 --> 00:12:11,720 for antiques and fine art, and I spoke with a guy that's running this 147 00:12:11,799 --> 00:12:16,000 thing called the Rescued Film Project, And what they do is they find film 148 00:12:16,039 --> 00:12:20,000 that's never been developed, that was left in cameras or just found in the 149 00:12:20,080 --> 00:12:24,399 States. Yeah, that I interviewed on NPR recently. Oh yeah, Well, 150 00:12:24,440 --> 00:12:30,519 I had him on my podcast and I told him about the alien slides. 151 00:12:31,399 --> 00:12:33,200 In the middle of the podcast, I said, have you ever found 152 00:12:33,240 --> 00:12:37,919 anything spectacular like that? And he said, I'll tell you what. If 153 00:12:37,960 --> 00:12:41,200 I find any aliens, you'll be the first to know. Oh that's good. 154 00:12:41,279 --> 00:12:46,639 That's good that he'll let you know, because I think in the United 155 00:12:46,679 --> 00:12:52,440 States, for the people who know you, your credibility is higher than that 156 00:12:52,519 --> 00:12:58,000 of Jim Mussan's. Because of course, people are kind of disappointed in some 157 00:12:58,039 --> 00:13:01,240 of the hoaxes that they feel these back to the past. So a lot 158 00:13:01,240 --> 00:13:07,840 of people are questioning the wisdom of releasing this slide in Mexico. Yeah, 159 00:13:07,840 --> 00:13:11,639 that is kind of curious. Why they're doing it in Mexico. Something that 160 00:13:11,720 --> 00:13:16,799 was found here, is it? Well, it's probably about the almighty dollar, 161 00:13:16,840 --> 00:13:18,399 as they say. You know what, I'll say this, Yeah, 162 00:13:18,440 --> 00:13:24,480 in defense of Don Schmidt and Tom Carry not so much because I've been talking 163 00:13:24,480 --> 00:13:28,200 to Don Schmidt mostly so I don't know. It wasn't his decision. It 164 00:13:28,320 --> 00:13:31,960 was up to the person who owns the slide. Yes, Like I believe 165 00:13:33,000 --> 00:13:35,559 I said last week, and I hope I'm not repeating myself. As an 166 00:13:35,679 --> 00:13:39,679 estates Hill person is looking for money and they don't really necessarily worry too much 167 00:13:39,720 --> 00:13:45,840 about right something, whether it's alien or whatever else. They just you know, 168 00:13:46,240 --> 00:13:48,000 that's how they make their living, is they buy something and they sell 169 00:13:48,080 --> 00:13:52,120 something and make money. So that's most important. Well that's about it for 170 00:13:52,200 --> 00:13:58,120 this week, right, That's pretty much it, my friend. All right, 171 00:13:58,200 --> 00:14:01,600 So I will see you in person and just a matter of days. 172 00:14:01,279 --> 00:14:05,519 Very excited to see you. It's going to be a lot of fun. 173 00:14:05,559 --> 00:14:07,240 I'm so happy that you're going to be able to make it out. And 174 00:14:07,639 --> 00:14:11,600 although we're getting our butts kicked right now to get prepared for it, to 175 00:14:11,639 --> 00:14:13,879 have a table full of beautiful T shirts. I saw yours, yours is 176 00:14:13,960 --> 00:14:18,039 very nice as well. It's going to be a wonderful event. It's going 177 00:14:18,080 --> 00:14:20,600 to be a lot of fun. Well, I can't wait. All right, 178 00:14:20,759 --> 00:14:22,360 Well, thanks so much, and I'll be sueing you next week. 179 00:14:22,679 --> 00:14:24,879 All right, talk to you next week, Betty. All right, So 180 00:14:24,960 --> 00:14:28,720 hang in there for the little quick music break and we'll be right back with 181 00:14:28,919 --> 00:15:35,919 Robert Davis. How you doing, Robert, I'm fine, Thank you, 182 00:15:37,240 --> 00:15:43,200 Thanks for joining us. And I just got your book. You've probably heard 183 00:15:43,200 --> 00:15:48,879 that in our news segment, but I just got your book a few minutes 184 00:15:48,919 --> 00:15:54,360 before, so I've not been able to read it, unfortunately. But we're 185 00:15:54,360 --> 00:15:58,440 going to be talking about your book mostly this evening, and we're going to 186 00:15:58,519 --> 00:16:02,320 take a break at the top of the hour just for a second. Come 187 00:16:02,360 --> 00:16:07,559 back on. But I want to know who is Robert Davis, PhD And 188 00:16:07,600 --> 00:16:11,879 how did you get here? Well, first of all, I want to 189 00:16:11,879 --> 00:16:17,840 thank you very much for inviting me on your excellent show, and your listeners 190 00:16:17,919 --> 00:16:22,600 could find out a bit more about my book on my website, the UFO 191 00:16:22,799 --> 00:16:30,759 Phenomenon dot com and can get my book on Amazon. But as a scientist, 192 00:16:30,840 --> 00:16:37,320 I have always found it unexplained, very intriguing and for some unknown reason, 193 00:16:37,480 --> 00:16:44,600 the UFO phenomenon has stimulated my interests ever since I was a child, 194 00:16:45,120 --> 00:16:49,840 and I think it's as intriguing as it gets. And as a baby boomer, 195 00:16:52,159 --> 00:16:56,679 we all remember the Flying Sosa Hype and Star Trek episodes over some frozen 196 00:16:56,759 --> 00:17:03,640 TV dinners during nineteen six these and although I'd like to see reruns of Star 197 00:17:03,799 --> 00:17:11,359 Trek some fifty or so years later, which I would find engaging, I 198 00:17:11,440 --> 00:17:18,359 also find this phenomenon to be as well. And it clearly presents very unique 199 00:17:18,519 --> 00:17:25,680 topics of debate and research challenges that, once adequately addressed, if it can 200 00:17:25,759 --> 00:17:30,759 be, may have very important implications for science and society. But what really 201 00:17:30,799 --> 00:17:37,880 motivated me to write this book was when my wife and I visited Sedona, 202 00:17:37,000 --> 00:17:42,319 Arizona, probably one of the most beautiful cities and not only America but the 203 00:17:42,359 --> 00:17:51,559 world, when we observed an orange orb at night, and while observing it, 204 00:17:52,400 --> 00:17:56,279 we saw another one either emerge from that one or from behind it, 205 00:17:56,759 --> 00:18:03,039 and they both remained stationary for a period of time until they blinked out. 206 00:18:03,920 --> 00:18:10,039 Then I said, I'm writing a book, and this book in a sense 207 00:18:10,759 --> 00:18:18,759 was intended to evoke shall I say, critical thought of the extraordinary phenomenon that 208 00:18:18,240 --> 00:18:23,880 encompasses this field that we call euphology. And I don't intend to convince the 209 00:18:25,039 --> 00:18:30,799 UFO skeptics and believers that some unexplained UFOs are governed by alien beings, or 210 00:18:30,799 --> 00:18:37,240 that all UFOs can be explained as natural and or man made phenomenon that the 211 00:18:37,279 --> 00:18:45,000 primary goal of this book was to simply present the evidence, theories, topics 212 00:18:45,000 --> 00:18:52,559 for debate and scientific analysis so that we can possibly better understand the phenomenon and 213 00:18:52,680 --> 00:18:56,799 especially the force that governs and regulates its behavior, which we do not know. 214 00:19:00,359 --> 00:19:03,319 Just going back to well, first of all, just let me just 215 00:19:03,359 --> 00:19:07,160 throw this out there. If you're listening live, please jump into the chat 216 00:19:07,200 --> 00:19:10,160 room and join us, and I'm in there as well, and you can 217 00:19:10,200 --> 00:19:15,160 ask our guests a question that's at podcastufo dot com. Takes you two clicks 218 00:19:15,160 --> 00:19:19,599 to get in there. So, how long ago was this sighting you had 219 00:19:21,079 --> 00:19:25,759 in Sedona? It was in twenty twelve. Oh, so this is recently? 220 00:19:26,359 --> 00:19:32,000 And have you been more or less keeping your eye on the topic all 221 00:19:32,039 --> 00:19:37,160 along here or is this something you just dove right into. No, I've 222 00:19:37,200 --> 00:19:42,839 been curious about the subject matter for my entire life. I've certainly read many 223 00:19:42,839 --> 00:19:51,839 books on the issues of the UFO phenomenon, but had been frustrated because you 224 00:19:51,960 --> 00:20:02,240 keep hearing about the same various incidents such as Roswell, Phoenix Rights, among 225 00:20:02,319 --> 00:20:12,200 many other types of mass sightings that lead many researches to continue to address as 226 00:20:12,279 --> 00:20:21,079 the so called smoking gun that proves that UFOs are aliens from either another solar 227 00:20:21,119 --> 00:20:27,279 system or dimension, or as a paranormal manifestation of some type. But the 228 00:20:29,440 --> 00:20:37,359 existence of UFOs does not necessarily mean that such craft are from another solar system 229 00:20:37,920 --> 00:20:42,440 or dimension. It simply indicates that it's an unexplained object in the sky and 230 00:20:42,759 --> 00:20:47,720 more often than not, is the weather balloon, is satellite, an atmospheric 231 00:20:48,039 --> 00:20:57,119 event, or certainly an advanced aircraft, or if quantum physics can possibly explain 232 00:20:57,200 --> 00:21:07,119 that the phenomenon ciated with it. But the more elusive question I think is 233 00:21:07,480 --> 00:21:18,599 does the collective evidence provided provide undeniable confirmation that non human intelligent beings are operating 234 00:21:18,920 --> 00:21:26,640 UFOs and interacting in very unusual ways with humans. So I think my position 235 00:21:26,960 --> 00:21:36,920 on the phenomenon can best be phrased as that as an agnostic and based on 236 00:21:37,000 --> 00:21:41,880 the analysis of the evidence, which is provided in countless books. Many are 237 00:21:41,960 --> 00:21:48,960 good, many are far fetched. I'm simply not able to commit to a 238 00:21:48,039 --> 00:21:56,400 belief in either the existence or non existence of intelligently controlled UFOs of non earthly 239 00:21:56,480 --> 00:22:02,920 origin or from another mentioned. I simply do not know, and I think 240 00:22:02,960 --> 00:22:10,880 most people don't know, although some leading UFO researchers contend that they do know. 241 00:22:11,240 --> 00:22:18,559 But clearly there there's highly unusual aerial events that defy logical explanation. I 242 00:22:18,559 --> 00:22:30,839 don't think anybody will will dispute that seriously, but nevertheless. UH. The 243 00:22:30,880 --> 00:22:42,559 recent the recent Foundation for Research into Extraterrestrial Experiences this Experiences. This is known 244 00:22:42,599 --> 00:22:48,160 as free the Foundation again for Research into Exterrestial if I could call the last 245 00:22:48,240 --> 00:22:56,079 term encounters. This is a recent not not for profit organization that was developed 246 00:22:56,119 --> 00:23:07,720 by PhD physicists and that colleges various scientists, physicians and experiences although people who 247 00:23:07,759 --> 00:23:12,359 have had some form of contact with non human intelligent beings. And it's an 248 00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:22,039 attempt to bring together this diverse group to study the subject areas of human encounters 249 00:23:22,279 --> 00:23:32,160 with non human intelligence and related paranormal phenomena and their goal which I support, 250 00:23:33,119 --> 00:23:44,640 to determine through scientific research with contactees with non human intelligence and the paranormal and 251 00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:52,759 its relationship with quantum physics, consciousness, the paranormal and non human intelligence. 252 00:23:52,400 --> 00:24:00,960 And I encourage any of your listeners who believes they have been a reducted by 253 00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:11,640 let's say a UFO or have had unique experiences with non human intelligent beings to 254 00:24:11,839 --> 00:24:18,599 visit their website, which is Experiencer dot coo. It's not Colm but dot 255 00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:26,839 coo Experiencer dot coe and take phase one of their survey. And there's also 256 00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:33,839 information on their website that allows them to contact various individuals such as the co 257 00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:45,799 founders Christina Knowles and Ray Hernandez to provide some related information for them to share 258 00:24:47,079 --> 00:24:52,559 their unique experiences. And their goal is also the determine of quantum physics, 259 00:24:52,720 --> 00:25:00,720 can explain the phenomenon associated with this phenomenon and at such, this is the 260 00:25:00,759 --> 00:25:11,440 first scientific research that has been undertaken in this field. Yes, I had 261 00:25:11,559 --> 00:25:17,160 Christine on a few weeks ago actually talking about this, and you know, 262 00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:22,119 I have to say, you're the first person that I can recall on this 263 00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:26,640 show that brought up the quantum physics thing. And it's kind of ironic because 264 00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:32,200 a couple of days ago, I was watching a documentary on dark matter, 265 00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:40,039 and I started thinking about quantum physics and maybe there's some type of relationship between 266 00:25:40,799 --> 00:25:45,559 quantum physics, which is so hard to explain anyway, you know, if 267 00:25:45,599 --> 00:25:52,160 you just the space inside of an atom alone is crazy if you think about 268 00:25:52,160 --> 00:26:00,279 it, how how and then the vast reaches of the Solar System universe all 269 00:26:00,359 --> 00:26:03,400 that, and I started thinking, I wonder if there's some type of relationship 270 00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:08,519 between this and the forces of dark matter as well, you know, I 271 00:26:08,519 --> 00:26:15,839 mean, it's it's such a topic that you know, it's such a hard 272 00:26:15,839 --> 00:26:19,359 thing to explore to begin with. You know, I know they have the 273 00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:26,640 the what am I thinking of? Incern the the splitter there, you know 274 00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:29,200 what I mean, I just can't think of the name of it right now, 275 00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:32,440 but you know, I know they're doing a lot of research there. 276 00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:37,440 But that's that's fascinating. I've never even thought about the UFO topic and quantum 277 00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:44,400 physics, but well, I think this is the direction that many scientists should 278 00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:51,759 should take. And again, this this foundation is a tempting to do this 279 00:26:51,960 --> 00:27:03,240 because although quantum physics is highly theoretical and it incorporates the theories of multiverse or 280 00:27:03,279 --> 00:27:11,640 several dimensions which coexist with our own reality, a concept supported by Stephen Hawking 281 00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:21,240 and doctor Kaku. It might very well explain the phenomenon that we are observing. 282 00:27:22,079 --> 00:27:27,079 In other words, it might be extra dimensional. But although it's highly 283 00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:34,559 theoretical, certainly, according to quantum physics, a particle is in a constant 284 00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:41,799 state of flux, where it can be determined to be anywhere or in many 285 00:27:41,839 --> 00:27:47,240 places at the same time. So if some UFOs use quantum mechanics to bend 286 00:27:47,279 --> 00:27:52,680 space and time and our consciousness, then it might explain how the same UFO 287 00:27:52,759 --> 00:27:59,440 could appear as two separate objects at the same time. And this is often 288 00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:07,359 the case. So if real physical effects can enter and leave our reality and 289 00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:11,279 appear different to different people, which it does, then it would indicate that 290 00:28:11,319 --> 00:28:15,839 our reality is not as real as we perceive it to be. And if 291 00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:21,880 reality is not fixed, then then that has important implications for UFOs. And 292 00:28:22,279 --> 00:28:26,920 maybe that's why we can't understand the UFO phenomenon, because we simply don't have 293 00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:34,119 the scientific principles at present, and our principles simply don't don't apply. But 294 00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:41,680 again, this is what free is attempting to discern. It's like if you 295 00:28:41,799 --> 00:28:49,119 split an atom. This is this is a true, a true experimental event. 296 00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:55,920 You split an atom, uh, and you separate them by vast distances, 297 00:28:56,519 --> 00:29:03,200 and if you manipulate one, the other one also respond accordingly or entanglement 298 00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:11,400 opposite direction. Yeah, right, and that is bewildering certainly the scientists. 299 00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:22,440 But it might explain how physical objects have an influence on one another despite despite 300 00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:32,680 the space the space time continuum. So UFOs may very well be explainable by 301 00:29:32,759 --> 00:29:40,279 this, although certainly it's theoretical and unproven at the present time. Right right, 302 00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:45,200 So when you started writing your book, and again I apologize that I 303 00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:48,559 haven't even had time to go through it. I was breezing through it real 304 00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:52,279 quickly. But while I was getting ready for the show, I see that 305 00:29:52,359 --> 00:29:57,319 you cited a number of incidences in their you know, historical incidences. And 306 00:29:59,279 --> 00:30:06,599 was that just so you could explain what was known about these things and what 307 00:30:06,839 --> 00:30:19,000 was what conclusions were. Well, I did provide many of the many incidents 308 00:30:19,319 --> 00:30:30,400 which are fairly fairly common and debated about by many leading euthologists, who conclude 309 00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:42,440 that again UFOs represent non human intelligence from another solar system or dimension. But 310 00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:52,119 it is the scientific community considers uthology as pseudoscience because they see a lot of 311 00:30:52,920 --> 00:31:02,799 UFO researchers make these kinds of conclusions based on limited evidence or lack of tangible 312 00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:10,839 evidence to study, and in the sense, it gives youusology a bad name. 313 00:31:11,279 --> 00:31:18,359 I don't think we can make firm, irrefutable conclusions, yet many do, 314 00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:26,880 which is unfortunate because we cannot apply the scientific method to this phenomenon, 315 00:31:27,039 --> 00:31:34,319 at least not yet, simply because we may not have again the proper scientific 316 00:31:34,359 --> 00:31:42,079 principles in which to apply the scientific method to in order to satisfy the scientific 317 00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:48,759 academic community into believing that there is something real about these UFOs. So we 318 00:31:48,799 --> 00:31:53,880 have the believers and the skeptics as well as the debunkers, and it goes 319 00:31:53,960 --> 00:32:01,599 on and on, and we're still debating this issue. Yet for decades, 320 00:32:05,599 --> 00:32:10,480 very little if any progress has been made in terms of our understanding of this 321 00:32:10,599 --> 00:32:16,319 phenomenon. And thus I think we need to go in a different direction. 322 00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:24,599 And that foundation, the acronym again is free. Free may be headed in 323 00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:31,920 the proper direction, it certainly remains to be seen. But quantum physics may 324 00:32:32,039 --> 00:32:38,400 hold the key that unlocks this mystery. At least it is certainly worth the 325 00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:44,039 effort. In fact, edgar Mitchell, the sixth man to walk on the 326 00:32:44,079 --> 00:32:49,119 Moon, is a member of this foundation as well as, as I mentioned, 327 00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:55,960 many leading high powered scientists from a diverse range of professions. And I'm 328 00:32:57,000 --> 00:33:00,480 happy to say that I'm also a member of this this foundation, and they 329 00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:10,480 are currently conducting research on using contactees who have reportedly been claims to have been 330 00:33:10,519 --> 00:33:17,519 abducted or have had again very unique strange and will use the term paranormal like 331 00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:29,640 experiences with non human intelligence of various kinds. So yes, I did provide 332 00:33:30,599 --> 00:33:37,000 some of the more common UFO related incidents, like the sightings in Washington, 333 00:33:37,119 --> 00:33:45,960 d C. In fifty two. Of course, the Roswell Stephensville encountered the 334 00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:52,720 Phoenix Lights Hudson Valley wave back in the eighties. What goes on and on? 335 00:33:52,880 --> 00:34:04,200 But uphologists continue to survey the documents, spy the government on the Project 336 00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:09,599 Blue Book, which was also recently declassified, and numerous other countries have also 337 00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:16,280 declassified documents pertaining to the UFO phenomenon. But what does it prove? It 338 00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:24,519 proves that there's something very strange occurring in our skies as well as the land 339 00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:37,280 where people encounter non human intelligence in various strange ways. So some of these 340 00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:45,880 incidents are quite remarkable. However, but there is an absence of a widely 341 00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:53,880 approved theory of the phenomenon. We cannot study it using now again our own 342 00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:59,199 scientific principles. So where do we go? Where do we go from here? 343 00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:07,039 In fact, in my book, I devote one chapter coincidentally to trying 344 00:35:07,079 --> 00:35:12,840 to explain what we need to do to better understand this phenomenon, and I 345 00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:23,760 mentioned that we do need an organization whose governance structure leads a multidisciplinary team of 346 00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:37,400 scientists from a diverse range of fields to better study this phenomenon, hopefully being 347 00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:46,280 funded by either private or public organizations and among other related issues. And quite 348 00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:57,159 surprisingly, this Foundation Free is attempting to do just that a serious scientific review, 349 00:35:58,039 --> 00:36:07,000 and there has been limited scientific investigations. But this brings into mind the 350 00:36:07,039 --> 00:36:15,320 Project Blue Book and doctor Allan Heinik, who all uphologists and non euthologists have 351 00:36:15,519 --> 00:36:25,039 probably heard heard of. He was an astrophysicist from the Ohio State University who 352 00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:32,440 was the director and main scientific advisor to Project Blue Book, which was conducted 353 00:36:32,519 --> 00:36:42,199 back in the sixties seventies, and initially he was a skeptic, but after 354 00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:52,599 having studied several hundred UFO related incidentss he became a believer. And interestingly, 355 00:36:53,039 --> 00:37:07,159 he reported that the UFOs maneuver with ease in our skies. They're unaffected by 356 00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:15,320 gravity and inertia. They help a few feet aposs the ground and then obviously 357 00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:25,719 accelerate at fremendous speeds with little effort, without any noise, and he described 358 00:37:27,079 --> 00:37:36,679 He described these the appearance and the behavior of the UFOs as luminous objects surrounded 359 00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:40,039 by a haze. They can become invisible and then a few seconds later they 360 00:37:40,159 --> 00:37:49,159 can appear a short distance away. They can shape shift or modify their physical 361 00:37:50,079 --> 00:37:59,039 structure. They remain stationary. They move in angular make angular turns. Your 362 00:37:59,119 --> 00:38:05,639 listeners heard the soil before, and of course you have. They produce electromagnetic 363 00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:12,039 effects. There are some physical ground traces as well. Where they land, 364 00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:17,320 they leave landing marks, radiation, They disturb the soil, They can petrify 365 00:38:17,639 --> 00:38:29,840 wood, and they also induced physiological effects in humans that's comparable to electromagnetic or 366 00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:37,800 radiation like effects, and people feel sensations of heat, paralysis, nausea, 367 00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:43,880 irritation of the eyes, et cetera, as well as paranormal related events such 368 00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:52,639 as missing time. So you know, he concluded, he concluded in a 369 00:38:53,599 --> 00:39:00,599 report to the members of Congress, and I believe it's in nineteen nineteen seventy 370 00:39:00,639 --> 00:39:07,800 eight, regarding the phenomenon, and he said that this is a mystery so 371 00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:22,920 profound that it may be related to extraterrestrial or extra dimensional possibilities. He certainly 372 00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:29,280 did not exclude that, but he was firmly committed to the belief based on 373 00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:40,159 his experience that something quite unique was occurring that the fries logical explanation. So 374 00:39:40,719 --> 00:39:47,119 who might argue with him? You know, So just a couple of things 375 00:39:47,159 --> 00:39:52,400 here. Well, a few weeks ago, I was down in Miami and 376 00:39:52,519 --> 00:39:57,599 with some friends and they said they one of the people said, so you 377 00:39:57,719 --> 00:40:01,360 actually believe in UFOs. And I thought for a second, and I said, 378 00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:07,960 well, it's more what I believe about UFOs. I do believe that 379 00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:10,480 they are here, but I'm certainly not going to tell you what I think 380 00:40:10,519 --> 00:40:16,039 they are. And that's that's really how I feel. Sometimes I can be 381 00:40:16,039 --> 00:40:21,360 a little bit redundant, but I think it's it's a point worth saying, 382 00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:25,559 and that is is uh, it may be something that we absolutely haven't even 383 00:40:25,559 --> 00:40:30,320 thought of or couldn't even think of, you know, to begin with, 384 00:40:30,559 --> 00:40:34,559 that's what it might all be about. And that's why I find it fascinating. 385 00:40:34,639 --> 00:40:39,519 This quantum physics pitch, that's not pitch, but thought or theory that 386 00:40:39,599 --> 00:40:45,519 you have pretty interesting. Let's let's just hit a couple of things in your 387 00:40:45,559 --> 00:40:53,280 book here. One of them one of the chapters, it's titled the Psychological 388 00:40:53,440 --> 00:41:01,239 and Sociological Theories. And what do you cover in that chapter, Well, 389 00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:10,039 there are under under those theories such as a psychological and sociological theories. It 390 00:41:10,119 --> 00:41:20,119 attempts to explain UFOs and the alien abduction reports. And this theory contends that 391 00:41:20,199 --> 00:41:27,519 there is either a conscious or subconscious recall from from the media or or or 392 00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:34,280 heightened, uh shall we say, level of gullibility that's influenced by society. 393 00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:44,079 Carl Young that the psychotherapists who founded analytical psychology was a proponent of the psycho 394 00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:53,559 cultural hypothesis and paranormal theory to explain the phenomenon. But he essentially said UFOs 395 00:41:53,599 --> 00:42:01,440 developed out of our society's interests with space flight and was reinforced by media hype 396 00:42:01,480 --> 00:42:07,840 of aliens and flying sources and again this was a more commonplace I think back 397 00:42:07,880 --> 00:42:14,400 in the fifties and sixties than it is now. Although with recent TV shows 398 00:42:15,039 --> 00:42:20,039 and there are many of them coming on, more people I think are beginning 399 00:42:20,039 --> 00:42:29,559 to be interested in this phenomenon, but they are are. This psychological sociological 400 00:42:29,679 --> 00:42:36,639 theory that you mentioned also contends that many of those who have had UFO experience 401 00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:45,960 may have physiological or psychological problems like what's it called temporal epilepsy or fantasy prone 402 00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:55,119 personality, or are diluted in some way. But I don't buy that because 403 00:42:55,199 --> 00:43:00,760 I don't buy that theory because the strong argument against it is that many sightings 404 00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:12,440 involved multiple witnesses simultaneous radar on visual sightings, So it's hard to explain that 405 00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:21,559 on the psychological level, although certainly some UFOs may be explainable on that basis. 406 00:43:21,599 --> 00:43:25,639 But we don't only have that theory which you mentioned, but certainly the 407 00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:36,440 extraterrestrial and extra dimensional theory, and there's a great debate about that. The 408 00:43:36,519 --> 00:43:44,280 extraterrestial theory, for instance, obviously maintains that UFOs are governed by non human 409 00:43:44,320 --> 00:43:49,880 intelligence from another solar system. Well, look our what our closest solar system 410 00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:53,559 is what's the name proxima century is the full point two light years away. 411 00:43:55,280 --> 00:43:59,880 I think that's something like seven trillion miles. And if we and if we 412 00:44:00,119 --> 00:44:06,480 have our space shuttle, which I believe drives are twenty five thousand miles an 413 00:44:06,519 --> 00:44:10,159 hour, it would take one hundred thousand years to get there, unless unless 414 00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:22,000 we have these beings can access wormholes or bend space and time, which Stephen 415 00:44:22,039 --> 00:44:30,599 Hawking among other leading physicists contend is quite possible, which may allow for them 416 00:44:30,280 --> 00:44:36,760 to get there to hear in maybe a blink of an eye or not. 417 00:44:37,119 --> 00:44:46,440 But the extra dimensional anpothesis implies that non human intelligence is operating these crafts from 418 00:44:46,519 --> 00:44:55,039 another dimension or parallel universe, and that brings into play the highly theoretical nature 419 00:44:55,320 --> 00:45:07,159 of quantum mechanics. But the extra terrestrial hypothesis that has been the predominant explanation 420 00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:15,119 for UFOs, but many people have abandoned it in a sense in favor of 421 00:45:15,159 --> 00:45:23,519 the extra dimensional hypothesis, which again says that beings and coexist with us in 422 00:45:23,599 --> 00:45:31,000 a parallel reality, as strange as that might sound. So I'm not one 423 00:45:31,079 --> 00:45:40,400 to disagree with us people like Stephen Hawking or doctor Kaku but again this is 424 00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:47,280 highly theoretical, yet they are supporters of this notion that there are beings in 425 00:45:47,360 --> 00:45:53,599 coexisting realities and maybe that's where we should go with research in terms of quantum 426 00:45:53,679 --> 00:46:01,679 physics. And again we don't have a firm object active grasp on that on 427 00:46:01,800 --> 00:46:09,800 that theory. Maybe someday I expect we will. But this foundation that I 428 00:46:09,880 --> 00:46:17,960 have mentioned a few times is trying to examine that possibility through a variety of 429 00:46:19,000 --> 00:46:23,840 different ways. And that's why there are some leading physicists on that committee who 430 00:46:24,320 --> 00:46:37,559 certainly may provide some unique insight into that explanation of the phenomenon. So you 431 00:46:37,639 --> 00:46:46,280 know, its branch of physics that deals with physical phenomena at microscopic levels is 432 00:46:46,639 --> 00:46:53,679 very certainly controversial, but it is again promoted as a possible explanation for the 433 00:46:53,719 --> 00:47:05,360 phenomenon and it might provide a realistic approach or something that we should further pursue 434 00:47:06,079 --> 00:47:12,599 in a formal, organized manner. And this is what Free is attempting to 435 00:47:12,760 --> 00:47:15,639 explore, and whether or not they're successful certainly remains to be seen, but 436 00:47:16,119 --> 00:47:29,199 regardless, we do need that type of organized scientific investigation by many scientists from 437 00:47:29,440 --> 00:47:36,159 many different disciplines. So Yeah, for them to be taken seriously, you 438 00:47:36,199 --> 00:47:39,320 know, you'd that's the that's the issue. You know, they'd have to 439 00:47:39,360 --> 00:47:45,440 be someone that could actually have say a peer reviewed paper or something like that, 440 00:47:46,559 --> 00:47:51,079 because this, you know, the subject, as you know is is 441 00:47:51,199 --> 00:47:54,639 so far out there. I am having trouble with the chat room. But 442 00:47:54,719 --> 00:47:58,519 it doesn't mean that people that want to be in the chat can't be in 443 00:47:58,559 --> 00:48:04,960 there and communicate with them elf with each other. But I see past someone 444 00:48:05,000 --> 00:48:08,119 wrote what kind of scientists are you? Do you have a background that helps 445 00:48:08,159 --> 00:48:16,320 you in this type of study to be on that board as well, My 446 00:48:16,519 --> 00:48:27,400 background as a scientist will hopefully allow me to provide some insight into the methodology 447 00:48:28,480 --> 00:48:35,320 that's needed to better understand this phenomenon. As a contributor to the Foundation, 448 00:48:35,519 --> 00:48:46,840 but I will also be involved in surveying obtaining quantitative and qualitative information from so 449 00:48:46,920 --> 00:48:54,840 called contactees or people who allegedly claim to have had some type of experience with 450 00:48:55,000 --> 00:49:00,599 non human intelligence, whether they were abducted by a UFO and went through what 451 00:49:02,199 --> 00:49:14,320 David Jacobs and John Mack contend people go through in terms of being taken from 452 00:49:14,320 --> 00:49:22,159 their home, being transported through the wall, and taken on the ship and 453 00:49:23,400 --> 00:49:32,639 undergo various types of biologic experiments, but the experience tends to be relatively the 454 00:49:32,719 --> 00:49:40,199 same across many individuals who have had such strange encounters, and it's not only 455 00:49:40,239 --> 00:49:52,199 limited to the abduction phenomenon. But my background as a scientist in audiology and 456 00:49:52,320 --> 00:50:01,760 hearing science doesn't really directly make me qualified to to answer to provide answers to 457 00:50:02,360 --> 00:50:12,920 this question. But I think I can provide some unique contributions, nevertheless, 458 00:50:13,320 --> 00:50:19,440 to the study of the phenomenon using the scientific method, which really has not 459 00:50:19,800 --> 00:50:24,679 been done in any systematic and consistent way in the past. Again, most 460 00:50:24,719 --> 00:50:36,800 of the it's not all of the UFO studies are basically retrospective. You know, 461 00:50:37,119 --> 00:50:44,159 even now, people still look at the Roswell incidents where you know, 462 00:50:44,280 --> 00:50:50,079 supposedly, of course the UFO crash, we took some dead alien bodies. 463 00:50:50,880 --> 00:50:54,960 Maybe we took them to some underground base somewhere out in the Southwest. The 464 00:50:55,000 --> 00:51:05,440 government's covering it up. The point is people continue to rely on this retrospective 465 00:51:05,480 --> 00:51:15,079 analysis of prior events, debating it continuously, and nothing gets resolved doing that, 466 00:51:16,159 --> 00:51:22,960 or reviewing the documents that have been declassified and debating that as well as 467 00:51:23,039 --> 00:51:28,880 whether or not there's a smoking gun there. Now, there's no question. 468 00:51:29,719 --> 00:51:37,199 Through the Disclosure project led by Stephen Greer and Steve Bassett, there's no question 469 00:51:37,440 --> 00:51:47,639 that the testimony provided by pilots, both military and civilian radar experts, government 470 00:51:47,719 --> 00:51:55,679 officials, among others, contend that they have very strange encounters with the UFOs, 471 00:51:57,079 --> 00:52:04,360 and some of their experiences are unbelievable. There's no doubt they experience something 472 00:52:04,400 --> 00:52:14,480 that cannot be easily explained, especially when these craft mitigate laws of inertia and 473 00:52:14,559 --> 00:52:20,639 gravity and move up to nine twelve thousand miles per hour, among other types 474 00:52:20,719 --> 00:52:28,920 of physical events that we simply don't understand. I don't think anybody can dispute 475 00:52:28,960 --> 00:52:37,840 that the point is. The point is while these experiences are common, I 476 00:52:37,920 --> 00:52:45,800 don't deny that. The question is what governs and regulates the behavior of these 477 00:52:45,000 --> 00:52:52,719 UFOs. And we're talking about maybe five to ten percent of all UFOs that 478 00:52:52,800 --> 00:53:00,760 have remained unexplainable according to Project Blue Book and many other investigations into this phenomenon, 479 00:53:01,239 --> 00:53:07,480 there's that small percentage that remains unexplained. Now, again, it doesn't 480 00:53:07,519 --> 00:53:13,000 it doesn't mean that it's non human intelligence from another dimension. Or a solar 481 00:53:13,039 --> 00:53:17,320 system, or a paranormal event. It could be, It could be, 482 00:53:17,360 --> 00:53:25,480 and I don't exclude that possibility. But you know, when you pose UFOs 483 00:53:25,679 --> 00:53:34,199 levittate cars or people, and when people get into some type of close encounter 484 00:53:34,360 --> 00:53:39,480 with a UFO or all beings they contend they develop, for instance, psychic 485 00:53:39,559 --> 00:53:47,280 abilities or special healing powers. Uh. And many of them are very conscious 486 00:53:47,440 --> 00:53:55,119 when they are adopted. Most aren't, and most recall their abduction or so 487 00:53:55,199 --> 00:54:02,760 called paranormal experience with non human intelligence through hypnotic regression, which is highly debatable, 488 00:54:05,000 --> 00:54:14,519 and certainly our court of law does not regard recall under hypnosis as a 489 00:54:14,719 --> 00:54:22,000 valid means of evidence, although hypnosis is helpful in many other ways. But 490 00:54:22,760 --> 00:54:27,719 about thirty percent I believe of those who have had these kinds of experience have 491 00:54:27,880 --> 00:54:37,800 conscious recall of it. So I'm not going to argue. I'm not going 492 00:54:37,840 --> 00:54:47,320 to argue with some of these leading scientists who again contend that we might be 493 00:54:47,519 --> 00:54:58,800 looking at a paranormal event or an extra dimensional theory that governs and regulates the 494 00:54:58,920 --> 00:55:12,280 behavior of the phenomenon because of the seemingly bizarre nature of experiences by individuals. 495 00:55:13,559 --> 00:55:24,199 So I guess I guess we can also look at the paranormal theory, which 496 00:55:24,280 --> 00:55:30,360 is tied into the extra dimensional theory as well. And I believe it was 497 00:55:30,519 --> 00:55:37,880 Jacques Valet who coined the term remember high strangeness, which relates to some of 498 00:55:37,920 --> 00:55:44,719 the experiences we're talking about, And it's kind of a side at the fringe 499 00:55:45,320 --> 00:55:53,079 along the UFO theory continuum, especially since what we call paranormal is it can't 500 00:55:53,119 --> 00:56:01,239 be measured or explained using the scientific method, and given the high strangeness of 501 00:56:01,320 --> 00:56:09,840 the phenomenon, any theory to explain these unusual aerial events or types of encounters 502 00:56:10,480 --> 00:56:21,519 is certainly met with a high degree of skepticism by the scientific community. So 503 00:56:21,800 --> 00:56:30,119 that's why mainstream science regard ethology in part as a pseudoscience, and in part 504 00:56:30,480 --> 00:56:38,519 they are very reluctant to get involved with research in this phenomenon, certainly for 505 00:56:38,639 --> 00:56:47,000 fear of ridicule by their colleagues, and because throughout the decades of investigating this 506 00:56:47,119 --> 00:56:53,360 phenomenon, as far as I'm concerned, we have made very little, if 507 00:56:53,480 --> 00:57:04,239 any progress to better understand the phenomenon. Fite again, decades of analysis and 508 00:57:04,840 --> 00:57:09,760 research, and if we continue along the same lines, unless a fine source 509 00:57:09,800 --> 00:57:15,760 of so called lands on the White House lawn or is on CNN breaking news. 510 00:57:17,239 --> 00:57:25,760 We're still not going to have any reasonable understanding of the phenomenon unless we 511 00:57:27,199 --> 00:57:35,760 take a different route and possibly looking into this quantum of physics and applying it 512 00:57:36,880 --> 00:57:44,599 to the phenomenon and trying to better understand how this may influence one's consciousness and 513 00:57:44,639 --> 00:57:52,840 reality, which it might explain the unusual features of this phenomenon since it affects 514 00:57:52,880 --> 00:58:07,440 people in very profound ways. When these UFOs shapeshifts, they materialize and dematerialize. 515 00:58:07,639 --> 00:58:15,119 People report aliens floating through structures and having telepathic communication with them, or 516 00:58:15,159 --> 00:58:24,840 experiencing lost time or being abducted by beings. This falls under again that paranormal 517 00:58:25,480 --> 00:58:31,599 theory, which probably isn't a good term to use. It's something that simply 518 00:58:32,000 --> 00:58:38,360 cannot be explained by scientific principles, so we call it paranormal. And people 519 00:58:38,760 --> 00:58:52,960 also encounters with very strange creatures and have these poltergeist like phenomenon associated with UFOs. 520 00:58:52,199 --> 00:58:58,760 And here again, if we're talking about the paranormal of people, well, 521 00:58:58,880 --> 00:59:06,920 some people develop psychic powers such as telepathy or psychic healing, or reports 522 00:59:07,119 --> 00:59:14,280 are being threatened by what's it called men in black who apply pressure in order 523 00:59:14,320 --> 00:59:19,480 to silence them. Now, I don't know if they're members of a secret 524 00:59:20,079 --> 00:59:28,039 government organization or what, or they or people see apparitions which sometimes attack them. 525 00:59:29,519 --> 00:59:34,519 But you know, I can go on and on with specific cases that 526 00:59:34,679 --> 00:59:45,079 people allegedly have reported. That's incredible and very very difficult to believe. Yet 527 00:59:45,599 --> 00:59:52,679 these cases persist, and we can get into that high strangeness and more detail 528 00:59:52,800 --> 01:00:01,000 of your life. But it's wild. But plasma two is another another possibility 529 01:00:02,039 --> 01:00:10,119 of a physiologic event that might help explain some of the five to ten percent 530 01:00:10,239 --> 01:00:21,079 of UFOs that are considered unexplained. And plasma, which is like ball lightning, 531 01:00:21,119 --> 01:00:25,119 and it is poorly understood. It carries electrical currents, and it generates 532 01:00:25,280 --> 01:00:31,159 magnetic fields, and it actually comprises and you mentioned this earlier, dark matter. 533 01:00:31,519 --> 01:00:38,320 It comprises more than ninety nine percent of the visible universe, and again 534 01:00:38,360 --> 01:00:45,760 it's not fully understood by modern science. But what's interesting about plasma is that 535 01:00:46,360 --> 01:00:57,480 it's very similar to many reports that people contend about their experience. In other 536 01:00:57,559 --> 01:01:00,920 words, that plasma can appear as many different colors, it has a fuzzy 537 01:01:00,960 --> 01:01:10,639 appearance, it can split into two or more separate parts. It rotates in 538 01:01:10,760 --> 01:01:20,480 a nonlinear fashion, it can emit light. At the point is it behaves 539 01:01:20,639 --> 01:01:28,519 in many ways that are similar to the behavior of UFOs as expressed by many 540 01:01:28,639 --> 01:01:32,599 people. That's right. We're at the top of the hour, and I 541 01:01:32,639 --> 01:01:37,639 would like to say in the second hour, I would like to discuss more 542 01:01:37,679 --> 01:01:40,679 about plasma. I have a few questions about that. In the second hour, 543 01:01:40,679 --> 01:01:45,159 we're going to be taking phone calls from anyone listening live. 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