And it hits me, Oh my gosh, this is that triangle. You
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aliens at all. It was completely silent. It comes right over our heads.
It's so classic Gli Sorcier. Really standing in the cleary, he turned
over to my father and held his hand, and he looked in his eyes
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It's about time we bring in Alejandro. How are you? Alejandro?
Good? But you left a couple names out I did ye? Do you
let that ip freely? And see more? Butts? I always forget those
two. Yeah, yeah, they're on the lower level anyway. You know
they're a month. Yeah, it's cheap o's. Yeah. So what's happening
for the news? So yeah, I'm gonna kind of bring you some news.
It's I'm a little disjointed. It's not that I'm having a bad attitude
about stuff. I'm just tired. I'm a little jet leg and I so
I'm not totally caught up because we are on the news because of course we've
been swamped with this UFO Congress stuff. So you're basically saying you're not on
your game today. Yeah, not on my game, and that's okay.
So I want to talk more about like just my life and what's been going
on. Okay, Hey, look, next week you will not be you
won't even have time to breathe next week, So you know, no news
next week when I'm live there, if you're walking by the mic and pop
in and say hi. But I don't think that's going to happen. I'll
try. You never know, it's just you know, sometimes everything's going smooth,
but then something, you know, goes haywire and we've got to run
around where someone comes and they're like, you know, I've got a carousel
sludge, can you I just want you to scan these and this is going
to be my presentation. They don't wait to last year, you know something
like that, Hey, how many years have you been involved in this yourself?
You know, this is our fifth year where we're running it completely.
The year prior to that, the two thousand and eight I was involved where
it was kind of a transitional where we were informing people about you know,
Open Minds and how we'd be taking it over, and so I ate it
in that And then prior to that I worked the Congress I think it was
too thousand and six, where I ran the register in the mornings and then
watched the lectures in the evenings. So and then even prior to that I
was involved a bit. So it's been a while and this is the number
one in the whole entire world? Is it? Not? The whole entire
world? As far as we know. I know in China, they have
a huge organization there. However, I don't know that they have regular conferences.
And I've asked doctor shun Shili or we have who runs the group over
there, and he says they don't have anything regular annual type of deal.
I've heard, you know of conferences that happened sporadically here and there, but
as far as an annual conference, yes, we are the largest. So
that's kind of cool. That is pretty cool. So do we have any
did you get at Yeah, I mean I've got some news. I can't
say that I'm well versed on the details. I was actually in New York
the last couple of days. I got to go to a film junket,
so that's the jet lags, yeah, for Chappie, which is a really
cool movie by the way. So yeah, so that's really cool. But
let's see here. This is something Jason just posted this morning, which is
this people who are making some bathroom carpets out of that are based off of
crop circle designs, so that are very pretty, you know, crop circle
designed type deals here, So it's kind of cool or is it the other
way around, people making crop circles off the bathroom mets? I don't know,
but anyway, that's that's a good point. They'd have to research that
further. But there's some cool sightings that Muffon's posted Roger Marsha North Caro,
Carolina witness since he saw UFO Triangle ufover Military Terminal. This one's really neat.
This is a video and the videos are quite large, and they should
have put these on YouTube so they could be accessed more easily. But they're
like downloadable files. But this is a video supposedly over Red Rocks Amphitheater that's
in Colorado. Yeah, in fact, that's where I spent most That's probably
where I've seen most of my concerts because once you go to Red Rocks,
because I lived in Denver, you don't want to go anywhere else. It's
only open this summer. It's absolutely incredible. It's really many any shows there
back in the late seventies. Well, luckily, my favorite bands, you
know, especially in the two thousands and even in the nineties and stuff where
Radiohead and York were two of my absolute favorite and they loved Red Rocks.
So they would come to Red Rocks almost every year at least quite often,
and so I would go see them every time they went there, and it's
just spectacular. So yeah, so this is a really interesting kind of circular
shaped lights flying over red rocks. But overall, mouf On says that their
reports are up in January. In fact, they say they have a forty
four point five percent increase in sightings in January compared to December of twenty fourteen.
Wow, did they go per year on something like that, like,
for instance, January last year there were this many sightings and it's up.
Well, they could, but they didn't in this case. But that would
be really interesting to look at. I have those numbers, so maybe I'll
do that at some point or you know, I wouldn't be opposed to sending
you my spreadsheet on this if you want to take a look. But they
compared it to December, so but that's an interesting question of how we compare
it to January. Usually the summer months are when there are more sightings.
I think it's just because there's more clear sky so people can see more and
more people outside. That's right, But that would be interesting to look at.
Yeah. Otherwise, you know, there's I think we talked about the
roswell slides that's making a lot of news and this undoing still ongoing, and
I put a documentary, a trailer to a documentary that it seems one of
the photo analysts is going to make on the slides. And in this documentary
you can actually see some more details about the slides. In fact, in
one scene, the person is looking at a slide on like a light table.
Someone zoomed in on that in large it and fixed it so it wasn't
at an angle, so you can get more of an idea of what the
slide actually looks like. So it's a little less fuzzied up than the ones
that we've seen. And I've got to say that this slide is very,
very underwhelming. Now do you have a picture? We can put that in
the show notes? Yeah, you know what I know it's UFO Chronicles has
that slide up. And I don't think I'm gonna have time to write a
story on yeah and put it up, but see where I can find that
UFO Chronicles has it up. So and that's who I tweeted, all right,
retweeted on and what have gotten the info from? So no, that's
really interesting. Otherwise, of course, the Stephen Greer thing is still making
a lot of noise. Most analysts are quite certain that video was flares.
But a lot of discussion about that video. We discussed last week as well.
You know, I did a podcast on my other podcast, which is
for antiques and fine art, and I spoke with a guy that's running this
thing called the Rescued Film Project, And what they do is they find film
that's never been developed, that was left in cameras or just found in the
States. Yeah, that I interviewed on NPR recently. Oh yeah, Well,
I had him on my podcast and I told him about the alien slides.
In the middle of the podcast, I said, have you ever found
anything spectacular like that? And he said, I'll tell you what. If
I find any aliens, you'll be the first to know. Oh that's good.
That's good that he'll let you know, because I think in the United
States, for the people who know you, your credibility is higher than that
of Jim Mussan's. Because of course, people are kind of disappointed in some
of the hoaxes that they feel these back to the past. So a lot
of people are questioning the wisdom of releasing this slide in Mexico. Yeah,
that is kind of curious. Why they're doing it in Mexico. Something that
was found here, is it? Well, it's probably about the almighty dollar,
as they say. You know what, I'll say this, Yeah,
in defense of Don Schmidt and Tom Carry not so much because I've been talking
to Don Schmidt mostly so I don't know. It wasn't his decision. It
was up to the person who owns the slide. Yes, Like I believe
I said last week, and I hope I'm not repeating myself. As an
estates Hill person is looking for money and they don't really necessarily worry too much
about right something, whether it's alien or whatever else. They just you know,
that's how they make their living, is they buy something and they sell
something and make money. So that's most important. Well that's about it for
this week, right, That's pretty much it, my friend. All right,
So I will see you in person and just a matter of days.
Very excited to see you. It's going to be a lot of fun.
I'm so happy that you're going to be able to make it out. And
although we're getting our butts kicked right now to get prepared for it, to
have a table full of beautiful T shirts. I saw yours, yours is
very nice as well. It's going to be a wonderful event. It's going
to be a lot of fun. Well, I can't wait. All right,
Well, thanks so much, and I'll be sueing you next week.
All right, talk to you next week, Betty. All right, So
hang in there for the little quick music break and we'll be right back with
Robert Davis. How you doing, Robert, I'm fine, Thank you,
Thanks for joining us. And I just got your book. You've probably heard
that in our news segment, but I just got your book a few minutes
before, so I've not been able to read it, unfortunately. But we're
going to be talking about your book mostly this evening, and we're going to
take a break at the top of the hour just for a second. Come
back on. But I want to know who is Robert Davis, PhD And
how did you get here? Well, first of all, I want to
thank you very much for inviting me on your excellent show, and your listeners
could find out a bit more about my book on my website, the UFO
Phenomenon dot com and can get my book on Amazon. But as a scientist,
I have always found it unexplained, very intriguing and for some unknown reason,
the UFO phenomenon has stimulated my interests ever since I was a child,
and I think it's as intriguing as it gets. And as a baby boomer,
we all remember the Flying Sosa Hype and Star Trek episodes over some frozen
TV dinners during nineteen six these and although I'd like to see reruns of Star
Trek some fifty or so years later, which I would find engaging, I
also find this phenomenon to be as well. And it clearly presents very unique
topics of debate and research challenges that, once adequately addressed, if it can
be, may have very important implications for science and society. But what really
motivated me to write this book was when my wife and I visited Sedona,
Arizona, probably one of the most beautiful cities and not only America but the
world, when we observed an orange orb at night, and while observing it,
we saw another one either emerge from that one or from behind it,
and they both remained stationary for a period of time until they blinked out.
Then I said, I'm writing a book, and this book in a sense
was intended to evoke shall I say, critical thought of the extraordinary phenomenon that
encompasses this field that we call euphology. And I don't intend to convince the
UFO skeptics and believers that some unexplained UFOs are governed by alien beings, or
that all UFOs can be explained as natural and or man made phenomenon that the
primary goal of this book was to simply present the evidence, theories, topics
for debate and scientific analysis so that we can possibly better understand the phenomenon and
especially the force that governs and regulates its behavior, which we do not know.
Just going back to well, first of all, just let me just
throw this out there. If you're listening live, please jump into the chat
room and join us, and I'm in there as well, and you can
ask our guests a question that's at podcastufo dot com. Takes you two clicks
to get in there. So, how long ago was this sighting you had
in Sedona? It was in twenty twelve. Oh, so this is recently?
And have you been more or less keeping your eye on the topic all
along here or is this something you just dove right into. No, I've
been curious about the subject matter for my entire life. I've certainly read many
books on the issues of the UFO phenomenon, but had been frustrated because you
keep hearing about the same various incidents such as Roswell, Phoenix Rights, among
many other types of mass sightings that lead many researches to continue to address as
the so called smoking gun that proves that UFOs are aliens from either another solar
system or dimension, or as a paranormal manifestation of some type. But the
existence of UFOs does not necessarily mean that such craft are from another solar system
or dimension. It simply indicates that it's an unexplained object in the sky and
more often than not, is the weather balloon, is satellite, an atmospheric
event, or certainly an advanced aircraft, or if quantum physics can possibly explain
that the phenomenon ciated with it. But the more elusive question I think is
does the collective evidence provided provide undeniable confirmation that non human intelligent beings are operating
UFOs and interacting in very unusual ways with humans. So I think my position
on the phenomenon can best be phrased as that as an agnostic and based on
the analysis of the evidence, which is provided in countless books. Many are
good, many are far fetched. I'm simply not able to commit to a
belief in either the existence or non existence of intelligently controlled UFOs of non earthly
origin or from another mentioned. I simply do not know, and I think
most people don't know, although some leading UFO researchers contend that they do know.
But clearly there there's highly unusual aerial events that defy logical explanation. I
don't think anybody will will dispute that seriously, but nevertheless. UH. The
recent the recent Foundation for Research into Extraterrestrial Experiences this Experiences. This is known
as free the Foundation again for Research into Exterrestial if I could call the last
term encounters. This is a recent not not for profit organization that was developed
by PhD physicists and that colleges various scientists, physicians and experiences although people who
have had some form of contact with non human intelligent beings. And it's an
attempt to bring together this diverse group to study the subject areas of human encounters
with non human intelligence and related paranormal phenomena and their goal which I support,
to determine through scientific research with contactees with non human intelligence and the paranormal and
its relationship with quantum physics, consciousness, the paranormal and non human intelligence.
And I encourage any of your listeners who believes they have been a reducted by
let's say a UFO or have had unique experiences with non human intelligent beings to
visit their website, which is Experiencer dot coo. It's not Colm but dot
coo Experiencer dot coe and take phase one of their survey. And there's also
information on their website that allows them to contact various individuals such as the co
founders Christina Knowles and Ray Hernandez to provide some related information for them to share
their unique experiences. And their goal is also the determine of quantum physics,
can explain the phenomenon associated with this phenomenon and at such, this is the
first scientific research that has been undertaken in this field. Yes, I had
Christine on a few weeks ago actually talking about this, and you know,
I have to say, you're the first person that I can recall on this
show that brought up the quantum physics thing. And it's kind of ironic because
a couple of days ago, I was watching a documentary on dark matter,
and I started thinking about quantum physics and maybe there's some type of relationship between
quantum physics, which is so hard to explain anyway, you know, if
you just the space inside of an atom alone is crazy if you think about
it, how how and then the vast reaches of the Solar System universe all
that, and I started thinking, I wonder if there's some type of relationship
between this and the forces of dark matter as well, you know, I
mean, it's it's such a topic that you know, it's such a hard
thing to explore to begin with. You know, I know they have the
the what am I thinking of? Incern the the splitter there, you know
what I mean, I just can't think of the name of it right now,
but you know, I know they're doing a lot of research there.
But that's that's fascinating. I've never even thought about the UFO topic and quantum
physics, but well, I think this is the direction that many scientists should
should take. And again, this this foundation is a tempting to do this
because although quantum physics is highly theoretical and it incorporates the theories of multiverse or
several dimensions which coexist with our own reality, a concept supported by Stephen Hawking
and doctor Kaku. It might very well explain the phenomenon that we are observing.
In other words, it might be extra dimensional. But although it's highly
theoretical, certainly, according to quantum physics, a particle is in a constant
state of flux, where it can be determined to be anywhere or in many
places at the same time. So if some UFOs use quantum mechanics to bend
space and time and our consciousness, then it might explain how the same UFO
could appear as two separate objects at the same time. And this is often
the case. So if real physical effects can enter and leave our reality and
appear different to different people, which it does, then it would indicate that
our reality is not as real as we perceive it to be. And if
reality is not fixed, then then that has important implications for UFOs. And
maybe that's why we can't understand the UFO phenomenon, because we simply don't have
the scientific principles at present, and our principles simply don't don't apply. But
again, this is what free is attempting to discern. It's like if you
split an atom. This is this is a true, a true experimental event.
You split an atom, uh, and you separate them by vast distances,
and if you manipulate one, the other one also respond accordingly or entanglement
opposite direction. Yeah, right, and that is bewildering certainly the scientists.
But it might explain how physical objects have an influence on one another despite despite
the space the space time continuum. So UFOs may very well be explainable by
this, although certainly it's theoretical and unproven at the present time. Right right,
So when you started writing your book, and again I apologize that I
haven't even had time to go through it. I was breezing through it real
quickly. But while I was getting ready for the show, I see that
you cited a number of incidences in their you know, historical incidences. And
was that just so you could explain what was known about these things and what
was what conclusions were. Well, I did provide many of the many incidents
which are fairly fairly common and debated about by many leading euthologists, who conclude
that again UFOs represent non human intelligence from another solar system or dimension. But
it is the scientific community considers uthology as pseudoscience because they see a lot of
UFO researchers make these kinds of conclusions based on limited evidence or lack of tangible
evidence to study, and in the sense, it gives youusology a bad name.
I don't think we can make firm, irrefutable conclusions, yet many do,
which is unfortunate because we cannot apply the scientific method to this phenomenon,
at least not yet, simply because we may not have again the proper scientific
principles in which to apply the scientific method to in order to satisfy the scientific
academic community into believing that there is something real about these UFOs. So we
have the believers and the skeptics as well as the debunkers, and it goes
on and on, and we're still debating this issue. Yet for decades,
very little if any progress has been made in terms of our understanding of this
phenomenon. And thus I think we need to go in a different direction.
And that foundation, the acronym again is free. Free may be headed in
the proper direction, it certainly remains to be seen. But quantum physics may
hold the key that unlocks this mystery. At least it is certainly worth the
effort. In fact, edgar Mitchell, the sixth man to walk on the
Moon, is a member of this foundation as well as, as I mentioned,
many leading high powered scientists from a diverse range of professions. And I'm
happy to say that I'm also a member of this this foundation, and they
are currently conducting research on using contactees who have reportedly been claims to have been
abducted or have had again very unique strange and will use the term paranormal like
experiences with non human intelligence of various kinds. So yes, I did provide
some of the more common UFO related incidents, like the sightings in Washington,
d C. In fifty two. Of course, the Roswell Stephensville encountered the
Phoenix Lights Hudson Valley wave back in the eighties. What goes on and on?
But uphologists continue to survey the documents, spy the government on the Project
Blue Book, which was also recently declassified, and numerous other countries have also
declassified documents pertaining to the UFO phenomenon. But what does it prove? It
proves that there's something very strange occurring in our skies as well as the land
where people encounter non human intelligence in various strange ways. So some of these
incidents are quite remarkable. However, but there is an absence of a widely
approved theory of the phenomenon. We cannot study it using now again our own
scientific principles. So where do we go? Where do we go from here?
In fact, in my book, I devote one chapter coincidentally to trying
to explain what we need to do to better understand this phenomenon, and I
mentioned that we do need an organization whose governance structure leads a multidisciplinary team of
scientists from a diverse range of fields to better study this phenomenon, hopefully being
funded by either private or public organizations and among other related issues. And quite
surprisingly, this Foundation Free is attempting to do just that a serious scientific review,
and there has been limited scientific investigations. But this brings into mind the
Project Blue Book and doctor Allan Heinik, who all uphologists and non euthologists have
probably heard heard of. He was an astrophysicist from the Ohio State University who
was the director and main scientific advisor to Project Blue Book, which was conducted
back in the sixties seventies, and initially he was a skeptic, but after
having studied several hundred UFO related incidentss he became a believer. And interestingly,
he reported that the UFOs maneuver with ease in our skies. They're unaffected by
gravity and inertia. They help a few feet aposs the ground and then obviously
accelerate at fremendous speeds with little effort, without any noise, and he described
He described these the appearance and the behavior of the UFOs as luminous objects surrounded
by a haze. They can become invisible and then a few seconds later they
can appear a short distance away. They can shape shift or modify their physical
structure. They remain stationary. They move in angular make angular turns. Your
listeners heard the soil before, and of course you have. They produce electromagnetic
effects. There are some physical ground traces as well. Where they land,
they leave landing marks, radiation, They disturb the soil, They can petrify
wood, and they also induced physiological effects in humans that's comparable to electromagnetic or
radiation like effects, and people feel sensations of heat, paralysis, nausea,
irritation of the eyes, et cetera, as well as paranormal related events such
as missing time. So you know, he concluded, he concluded in a
report to the members of Congress, and I believe it's in nineteen nineteen seventy
eight, regarding the phenomenon, and he said that this is a mystery so
profound that it may be related to extraterrestrial or extra dimensional possibilities. He certainly
did not exclude that, but he was firmly committed to the belief based on
his experience that something quite unique was occurring that the fries logical explanation. So
who might argue with him? You know, So just a couple of things
here. Well, a few weeks ago, I was down in Miami and
with some friends and they said they one of the people said, so you
actually believe in UFOs. And I thought for a second, and I said,
well, it's more what I believe about UFOs. I do believe that
they are here, but I'm certainly not going to tell you what I think
they are. And that's that's really how I feel. Sometimes I can be
a little bit redundant, but I think it's it's a point worth saying,
and that is is uh, it may be something that we absolutely haven't even
thought of or couldn't even think of, you know, to begin with,
that's what it might all be about. And that's why I find it fascinating.
This quantum physics pitch, that's not pitch, but thought or theory that
you have pretty interesting. Let's let's just hit a couple of things in your
book here. One of them one of the chapters, it's titled the Psychological
and Sociological Theories. And what do you cover in that chapter, Well,
there are under under those theories such as a psychological and sociological theories. It
attempts to explain UFOs and the alien abduction reports. And this theory contends that
there is either a conscious or subconscious recall from from the media or or or
heightened, uh shall we say, level of gullibility that's influenced by society.
Carl Young that the psychotherapists who founded analytical psychology was a proponent of the psycho
cultural hypothesis and paranormal theory to explain the phenomenon. But he essentially said UFOs
developed out of our society's interests with space flight and was reinforced by media hype
of aliens and flying sources and again this was a more commonplace I think back
in the fifties and sixties than it is now. Although with recent TV shows
and there are many of them coming on, more people I think are beginning
to be interested in this phenomenon, but they are are. This psychological sociological
theory that you mentioned also contends that many of those who have had UFO experience
may have physiological or psychological problems like what's it called temporal epilepsy or fantasy prone
personality, or are diluted in some way. But I don't buy that because
I don't buy that theory because the strong argument against it is that many sightings
involved multiple witnesses simultaneous radar on visual sightings, So it's hard to explain that
on the psychological level, although certainly some UFOs may be explainable on that basis.
But we don't only have that theory which you mentioned, but certainly the
extraterrestrial and extra dimensional theory, and there's a great debate about that. The
extraterrestial theory, for instance, obviously maintains that UFOs are governed by non human
intelligence from another solar system. Well, look our what our closest solar system
is what's the name proxima century is the full point two light years away.
I think that's something like seven trillion miles. And if we and if we
have our space shuttle, which I believe drives are twenty five thousand miles an
hour, it would take one hundred thousand years to get there, unless unless
we have these beings can access wormholes or bend space and time, which Stephen
Hawking among other leading physicists contend is quite possible, which may allow for them
to get there to hear in maybe a blink of an eye or not.
But the extra dimensional anpothesis implies that non human intelligence is operating these crafts from
another dimension or parallel universe, and that brings into play the highly theoretical nature
of quantum mechanics. But the extra terrestrial hypothesis that has been the predominant explanation
for UFOs, but many people have abandoned it in a sense in favor of
the extra dimensional hypothesis, which again says that beings and coexist with us in
a parallel reality, as strange as that might sound. So I'm not one
to disagree with us people like Stephen Hawking or doctor Kaku but again this is
highly theoretical, yet they are supporters of this notion that there are beings in
coexisting realities and maybe that's where we should go with research in terms of quantum
physics. And again we don't have a firm object active grasp on that on
that theory. Maybe someday I expect we will. But this foundation that I
have mentioned a few times is trying to examine that possibility through a variety of
different ways. And that's why there are some leading physicists on that committee who
certainly may provide some unique insight into that explanation of the phenomenon. So you
know, its branch of physics that deals with physical phenomena at microscopic levels is
very certainly controversial, but it is again promoted as a possible explanation for the
phenomenon and it might provide a realistic approach or something that we should further pursue
in a formal, organized manner. And this is what Free is attempting to
explore, and whether or not they're successful certainly remains to be seen, but
regardless, we do need that type of organized scientific investigation by many scientists from
many different disciplines. So Yeah, for them to be taken seriously, you
know, you'd that's the that's the issue. You know, they'd have to
be someone that could actually have say a peer reviewed paper or something like that,
because this, you know, the subject, as you know is is
so far out there. I am having trouble with the chat room. But
it doesn't mean that people that want to be in the chat can't be in
there and communicate with them elf with each other. But I see past someone
wrote what kind of scientists are you? Do you have a background that helps
you in this type of study to be on that board as well, My
background as a scientist will hopefully allow me to provide some insight into the methodology
that's needed to better understand this phenomenon. As a contributor to the Foundation,
but I will also be involved in surveying obtaining quantitative and qualitative information from so
called contactees or people who allegedly claim to have had some type of experience with
non human intelligence, whether they were abducted by a UFO and went through what
David Jacobs and John Mack contend people go through in terms of being taken from
their home, being transported through the wall, and taken on the ship and
undergo various types of biologic experiments, but the experience tends to be relatively the
same across many individuals who have had such strange encounters, and it's not only
limited to the abduction phenomenon. But my background as a scientist in audiology and
hearing science doesn't really directly make me qualified to to answer to provide answers to
this question. But I think I can provide some unique contributions, nevertheless,
to the study of the phenomenon using the scientific method, which really has not
been done in any systematic and consistent way in the past. Again, most
of the it's not all of the UFO studies are basically retrospective. You know,
even now, people still look at the Roswell incidents where you know,
supposedly, of course the UFO crash, we took some dead alien bodies.
Maybe we took them to some underground base somewhere out in the Southwest. The
government's covering it up. The point is people continue to rely on this retrospective
analysis of prior events, debating it continuously, and nothing gets resolved doing that,
or reviewing the documents that have been declassified and debating that as well as
whether or not there's a smoking gun there. Now, there's no question.
Through the Disclosure project led by Stephen Greer and Steve Bassett, there's no question
that the testimony provided by pilots, both military and civilian radar experts, government
officials, among others, contend that they have very strange encounters with the UFOs,
and some of their experiences are unbelievable. There's no doubt they experience something
that cannot be easily explained, especially when these craft mitigate laws of inertia and
gravity and move up to nine twelve thousand miles per hour, among other types
of physical events that we simply don't understand. I don't think anybody can dispute
that the point is. The point is while these experiences are common, I
don't deny that. The question is what governs and regulates the behavior of these
UFOs. And we're talking about maybe five to ten percent of all UFOs that
have remained unexplainable according to Project Blue Book and many other investigations into this phenomenon,
there's that small percentage that remains unexplained. Now, again, it doesn't
it doesn't mean that it's non human intelligence from another dimension. Or a solar
system, or a paranormal event. It could be, It could be,
and I don't exclude that possibility. But you know, when you pose UFOs
levittate cars or people, and when people get into some type of close encounter
with a UFO or all beings they contend they develop, for instance, psychic
abilities or special healing powers. Uh. And many of them are very conscious
when they are adopted. Most aren't, and most recall their abduction or so
called paranormal experience with non human intelligence through hypnotic regression, which is highly debatable,
and certainly our court of law does not regard recall under hypnosis as a
valid means of evidence, although hypnosis is helpful in many other ways. But
about thirty percent I believe of those who have had these kinds of experience have
conscious recall of it. So I'm not going to argue. I'm not going
to argue with some of these leading scientists who again contend that we might be
looking at a paranormal event or an extra dimensional theory that governs and regulates the
behavior of the phenomenon because of the seemingly bizarre nature of experiences by individuals.
So I guess I guess we can also look at the paranormal theory, which
is tied into the extra dimensional theory as well. And I believe it was
Jacques Valet who coined the term remember high strangeness, which relates to some of
the experiences we're talking about, And it's kind of a side at the fringe
along the UFO theory continuum, especially since what we call paranormal is it can't
be measured or explained using the scientific method, and given the high strangeness of
the phenomenon, any theory to explain these unusual aerial events or types of encounters
is certainly met with a high degree of skepticism by the scientific community. So
that's why mainstream science regard ethology in part as a pseudoscience, and in part
they are very reluctant to get involved with research in this phenomenon, certainly for
fear of ridicule by their colleagues, and because throughout the decades of investigating this
phenomenon, as far as I'm concerned, we have made very little, if
any progress to better understand the phenomenon. Fite again, decades of analysis and
research, and if we continue along the same lines, unless a fine source
of so called lands on the White House lawn or is on CNN breaking news.
We're still not going to have any reasonable understanding of the phenomenon unless we
take a different route and possibly looking into this quantum of physics and applying it
to the phenomenon and trying to better understand how this may influence one's consciousness and
reality, which it might explain the unusual features of this phenomenon since it affects
people in very profound ways. When these UFOs shapeshifts, they materialize and dematerialize.
People report aliens floating through structures and having telepathic communication with them, or
experiencing lost time or being abducted by beings. This falls under again that paranormal
theory, which probably isn't a good term to use. It's something that simply
cannot be explained by scientific principles, so we call it paranormal. And people
also encounters with very strange creatures and have these poltergeist like phenomenon associated with UFOs.
And here again, if we're talking about the paranormal of people, well,
some people develop psychic powers such as telepathy or psychic healing, or reports
are being threatened by what's it called men in black who apply pressure in order
to silence them. Now, I don't know if they're members of a secret
government organization or what, or they or people see apparitions which sometimes attack them.
But you know, I can go on and on with specific cases that
people allegedly have reported. That's incredible and very very difficult to believe. Yet
these cases persist, and we can get into that high strangeness and more detail
of your life. But it's wild. But plasma two is another another possibility
of a physiologic event that might help explain some of the five to ten percent
of UFOs that are considered unexplained. And plasma, which is like ball lightning,
and it is poorly understood. It carries electrical currents, and it generates
magnetic fields, and it actually comprises and you mentioned this earlier, dark matter.
It comprises more than ninety nine percent of the visible universe, and again
it's not fully understood by modern science. But what's interesting about plasma is that
it's very similar to many reports that people contend about their experience. In other
words, that plasma can appear as many different colors, it has a fuzzy
appearance, it can split into two or more separate parts. It rotates in
a nonlinear fashion, it can emit light. At the point is it behaves
in many ways that are similar to the behavior of UFOs as expressed by many
people. That's right. We're at the top of the hour, and I
would like to say in the second hour, I would like to discuss more
about plasma. I have a few questions about that. In the second hour,
we're going to be taking phone calls from anyone listening live. Well,
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