Alright, let's get and see where we're Okay, let's get into uh,
let's see apes. Let's talk about Kingdom of the Planet of the Apes.
Just a mouthful title. I'm gonna start with you because I don't I don't
think you were down on but I felt like the first season you're like,
oh, like it's like a like a like a thumb up. I mean
it's like, eh, it's fine, you know, like I don't think
you're raving about Yeah. Yeah, So I kind of feel like this is
almost the opposite of quite place Day one for me, where I really love
those trilogy of movies that we got in that Reeves trilogy. Haven't seen the
og Ones. I'm not on that retro as people is that the main No,
just Patreon feeds go over Phase two four eight movies right now, but
the Patreons will know that I'm not on. Yeah, but yeah, I
love that, love that trilogy. And yeah, just this this trailer,
I was I guess I was hoping this could maybe turn me around on this
or get me more excited, but it didn't do for me. I I
think this looks quite blend, quite uninspired. I don't think I'm really agreed
by any of the story stuff going on here. None of the characters are
particularly grabbing me. Like even the action and the set pieces of locations all
seem a bit drab. So I don't know. Maybe it's really deep in
the political stuff, which I think is what those original ones are doing more
of, perhaps, but it's just not working for me. It's not grabbing
me. And I don't even know if I want to see it anymore.
I guess it kind of Oh the release date, but like, I don't
know what what is it about this trailer that should be exciting me? I
need I need you guys, give me some context here, because I just
I see this my eyes just glaze over. So to give you when it's
coming out. It's coming on May. So in May, you got The
Fall Guy, you got this movie, you got if Stranger chapter one in
Furiosa, So that's kind of what you're working with. So again another run
of like Bang or like summer Summer season there. Yeah, and I don't
I feel like you'll be with us on this one. I imagine how you
gonna see Cuckoo with the Hunter Shaeffer. It's a horror movie. The trailer,
but I'm down. Yeah, it's only thirty seconds of it's cool.
I didn't include here because we lost trailers, but it's we have that one
image of her in a grocery store, like hiding and something's behind her,
and the trailer is her standing at a doorway. She's looking on to a
field that the town's over, and it's a radio control of like talking about
like, oh, things are in trailer, like you know, it's dangerous
happening over the radio, and it's her with a foot like a flip switch.
What is it? Switchblade? Yeah, switchblade, just doing that by
her side, and that's all we get. So it's very like, hey,
more for me than this, Well, there you go, So I'll
go to the other side where I liked that first trailer, but I was
okay, like probably maybe someonear deal, maybe a little higher because like I
love apes. It's like, okay, I'll give it some and I want
this to be good because again, this guy's doing Zelda, So I need
this to I need this at least to be a seven. At least to
be a seven. It's not it's gonna break my heart. But that's not
even come for me. Like the biggest Zelda Fan. I just like that's
one. I fel like you have nails. So this trailer for me,
I'm not sure where it's gonna go the whole movie. The thing that got
me excited was the King villain Ape though that to me looked like this is
gonna be a really fun character. I love that. Okay, they've taken
over and we've talked with so many times, but I kind of like,
right a the get go, this Ape just seems like he's gonna be the
bad guy. It's not gonna be like the oh the hero turnfall. It's
just like, sometimes we've gotten so much the Thanos. Now every villain is
becoming like, oh he has to have like a herd or being good.
I'm still down for just a despicable villain. And even then, I like
the approach of hey, the humans used to be able to do these things,
we need to do these things right. And he is falling into the
literal chaps what the humans did right of taking slaves wanting the power. So
I like that parallel, and I think you're right down, and it's looking
like it's gonna be more political, especially between the apes. You're seeing apes
starting to divide because our main character, I don't know his name, but
he's doing the other side like what some other humans would go, like,
hey, we shouldn't be having these people as slaves or hurting them or killing
them. So I like the Divide, But for me, it was this
villain character. Now I understood when they did that, what a lovely day,
And it was just shot off him last year. It's like, okay,
whatever, But I think this character is going to be really interesting and
really fun. I gotta find out which actor is betraying him. But so
I there's enough for me here where it's like they don't some of these apes
are not wanting to fall the same mistakes of humans and other mistakes. Other
apes are doing the mistakes of humans but not even knowing it because they just
want this power. So I love the power struggle. I love the parallels
to you know, what came before. And I'm really interested because I felt
like with the other trilogy, we just knew, like Caesar's going in this,
we knew like the apes had to rise. I'm not sure consider was
right, like they had to rise, the humans had to fall, and
Caesar eventually had to die because that's the story with this and these characters that
we don't know. That's what I'm really peculiar about to see where we go.
So yeah, for me, it did the opposite. It got me
really high, Like in some of the visuals, those apes on horses with
these scary masks and like, what's going on here? These gorillas looking frightening,
So I was all forced. I'm looking very forward to it now,
and I hope there might be another trailer, but I don't need one now
that that monkey ape the Villain sold me. You know, nice Tarr,
where are you on the Kingdom? I am really really excited for this.
I think the trailer was just it was nice to get more of like a
story beat compared to what we got before. The other one was just I
felt, like I said, hyping everyone up. But this one it just
got me super super jazz. I'm I'm really excited to see more of just
the I'm hoping we get to see at least more of the different clans of
apes and just see more of this one that's just obsessed with this human technology
they got, like the electro staffs and whatnot. Just super cool and just
hearing the narration at the start of them talking about evolution and humans and what
humans are capable of doing. But like, you know what, it's our
time now, and it just reminds you just this downfall of the app Humans
are great, they did all this stuff, but look where they're at.
They're they're reduced to being just animals themselves pretty much. I am starting to
think though, after we got a little bit better view of this female that
in the narrative too, that they're attacking, go for it. Which also
I didn't know that's the girl who plays a Siri from The Witcher. I
was trying to place it the whole time in the trim, like I look,
she looks so familiar, but that's where she's from, so you probably
know from that. And she also was in this movie in twenty twenty three
called bag Head. It was a horror film. The cover of the guy
lifting like a bag, scarecrow sack or his face. A young woman inherits
a rundown pup and discovers a dark secret within the basement. Bag Head a
shape shifting creature that will let you speak to your lost loved ones, but
not without consequence. Oh so check out this movie because it looks like it
could be shit, but I liked that one, but go ahead, so
good. Yeah, she's good. I think she's on the highlights of the
show. I just finished the fourth book. I'm still going through that,
so oh yeah, and that was very it was a serie heavy book for
sure. Yeah, I think she doesn't more than Garl was. Even that's
how it started. Even in the games, it starts to go too,
It's like, well, it's different cause we play as girl, but the
story becomes more about like how can Gerrold help Siri instead of about Gerrold.
So and I think the show is probably gonna do that too, because with
Henry Cavill leaving, I think they'll shift shift the lead to her. So
it could be a big couple of years for her apes and leading Witcher.
You know. So I'm thinking, just seeing this this female actress, that
just the way that her clothing is compared to the other humans, and then
talking about how she's smarter than them and whatnot, I'm thinking, Okay,
she's gonna be our astronaut character. Is that what they're they're pulling here?
They did infer that she was a lot smarter than the other humans, so
you're right, this is hundreds of years after the last one, and just
look at how she's dressed. She's dressed like a modern day Cuman. Oh,
that would be something if they're because they'd be because no one's supposed to
land yet. But you can always say that's what happens with time travel,
right, is you change one thing and everything changes. Oh, I didn't
even think about that. That'd be really interesting if the astronauts were already here.
Oh, I'm kind of thinking that's what it is. And there's overhypeing
the story super deep in the lore. So the astronaut storyline is in the
very first Plan the Apes. Obviously, Charlton hess and he lands. That
sets up the you know, spoilers for the movie. You don't know it,
like Jump but it's eighty years old or whatever. He lands things as
a monkey of Apes, and then their reveal obviously it's been Earth the whole
time. So then what happens is the rest of the movies are kind of
a prequel because one the Apes take the spaceship and they leave Plan the Apes
because there's a nuclear bomb gonna go off. There's a bunch of stuff happens,
and they leave and they land back on Earth. But when they land
back on Earth, it's kind of like a monk or a chicken and egg
scenario. They land back before those like you. They don't actually they don't
land off before. It's it's it's a time trial thing. It doesn't make
much sense if you think about it, because an astronaut lands, he gives
the monkeys the ship and they go back to Earth. That when they go
back to Earth, it's when the humans are still in power and the Apes
haven't taken over yet, But it's after that astronaut has taken off. But
like we've talked about on the retro that there is like a scenario where there's
kind of like a new timeline made. And that's what this could be because
the ideas everyone's saying, oh, hey, eventually this has to get to
the original plan of the Apes, right, But Terry Tuglas on the retro
that maybe it doesn't. Because if this is like a new branch because something
got messed up, that could be it, and it could be this could
be our imagine if she's a female, remember the one in the Planet Apes
that just dies in the first scene, she makes the time, Yeah,
that'd be great. So eventually what happens dealing in planet apes that astronauts land,
and that kind of creates a whole like kind of ripple effect throughout the
timeline because it's dealing with time travel and stuff. So that's but they're not
supposed to come yet. They're supposed to come still the decades, maybe hundreds
of years from now, and it looks like maybe is that, like for
sure that that's what they were going to be working towards, because I mean,
we're I'm pretty sure we're dealing with Cornelius here already. No, we're
not. Isn't that the isn't that the guy's the main A. Isn't he
Cornelia? No, he's not. He's It's like Noah, it's n o
A, it's Noah. So that's why there's no there's none of the original
apes. That's why people have said, like, it's not that time yet.
I think technically from the timeline they've given from like oh it's Caesar's death,
you know, post Caesar, it doesn't line up to win Taylor landed,
so it's like kind of in the middle of that. But again,
with time travel, you can just something change, you know. One monkey
sneezed and that changed. Everything can change a lot. I'm trying to think
and when they have, when had the Matt Reeves trilogy, like before that
came out, was that announced as a trilogy of movies or that they were
gonna do that. I think there is more of a belief that when they
did two that three was pretty much a guarantee. But I think the with
Rise, it was let's see if the appetite's there, and then it was
a success that kept going. But even in that first one and Rise on
the news, they show a video of the fucking they show a video of
the astronauts leaving Earth, so those but that could be this female astronaut,
right Taylor, because the timeline, so that could be that astronaut that lab
I mean, like, just look at her clothing. That's not very Mark
Wahlberg from two thousand and three. Yeah, yeah, wearing like the the
everyone else is wearing like the yeah, the garbage animal stuff. And she's
wearing pants tank top like she's an astronaut, I'm telling you. And they
didn't show her speaking the trailer too. That would be the big giveaway too.
So oh man, I think they're saving it man, that's no.
They're just saying, oh, now you got me too. High watcher.
Her just be from some colony and she's just smart but more interested now like
I obviously on this retro, but I even just hearing more about what goes
on in these movies, like the older ones. Oh you don't even know,
man, there's superpowers get put in there. There's some good stuff and
bad stuff. But it's gonna say though, the only thing that I wonder
to go against that is in the original plan the apes Taylor landing there.
Taylor for pill I don't know is also the name of the astronaut that Charli
the Heston plays. He lands there and it shows the monkeys that okay,
humans could speak, and they had thought, and they had all this power
before. And we've been lied to clearly. A lot of the apes know
that the humans had power before, right, So that's what I'm wondering.
Would the astronaut landing shift any dynamics right now because they knew, Hey,
we used to be in cages, they had all the like he says,
they could fly like eagle. So what would it change to the astronauts landing
right now because they know humans were smart. Let me see if I can
recall this, because yeah, you have so many different landmarks and so many
different pieces of evidence of humanity. And then this character which I'm assuming,
I'm pretty confident that his name's Magiver, the Loggiver is the same character,
which actually we're gonna meet him in a war or conquest upon of the Apes
the next retro we do for that basically battle for battle for thank you.
Yeah, So they're they're it's tricky and kind of convoluted how they're portraying this
story because I feel like, well, yes, the Lawgiver is the one
narrating, and he's talking about how evolution and humanity was all this different stuff,
But then you don't really see the other apes engaging in that and talking
about it. And I'm wondering, we get a scenario where Lawgiver is talking
telling our character like about something that happened in the past, and this happened
like, you know, a few hundred years ago or something along those lines,
but you also have Lawgiver and then not just Lawgiver but Nora that's what
you said the apes, So you have Noah also talking about how like discovering
the truth and trying to figure some things out. So I mean, like
it seems like the truth is definitely kept under the rap under wraps, and
even more so with the fact, like why are they so interested in this
girl? She can she's more smarter than the other humans. Humans exist in
this world, for sure, but this woman is much more intelligent. Okay,
why are they trying to hunt her? And the king likes whatever.
Proximus Caesar is the played by Kevin Durant, who is a known actor,
so he's good. But yeah, Proximous Caesar. So even he's talking,
I think he says something to because they say, like apes kill humans or
apes hunt humans, shouldn't be like apes together. Strong apes need to change,
and he's he is like, no, we need to, we need
to snuff this. So yeah, lots of stuff moving around super micsas his
levels at one hundred ten percent. I'm trigued to see how they incorporate the
legacy of Caesar and hell be twisted and corrupted by this king, which happens,
that's all planned the apes, right, is they take just Caesar just
becomes like anything they could very much what I'm sure people view God as right
or some people view God or the Bible twisted in many ways however you want
to take it. That's what the apes do with Caesar. They just take
his legacy and like, oh, he meant this and he meant this.
It's like they probably don't refer to him being raised by humans and all this
stuff. They just take it as like a don't kill it, and we
hate the humans, you know. So yeah, all of good stuff going
on. Right, Let's take our probably last ad break and then we'll be
back with some more trailers and we're back, so Wicked. Any thoughts on
Wicked, mister muss, get any what's your history with Wizard of Oz?
Oh? My god? So me and MUDs went on a walk earlier today
and I was telling her about what trailers had come out and we were going
to talk about on the podcast, and we could not remember what the Wizard
of Oz was. We were like, man, like, we know what
the movie is, we know Yellow Girl, Wicked. We could not think
of the name. It was like really a trip on its own. We
never we never did remember what it was. So now now but that then
it's back. That's good to have that back in my in my mind here.
But uh yeah, I remember watching the movie a lot as a kid.
It was one of those like favorites in my household for whatever reason,
classic Dellan fashion not when I ever revisited, so I haven't watched it a
million years. But I didn't really know anything about this this trailer going in,
but I thought this looked really cool. I like the setting of it.
I think the world building element potentially is my favorite thing here where it's
you know, steampunk would be the aesthetic, and steampunk is really compelling because
it is kind of that mix between fantasy and sci fi, right, Like
finding that in between and the way in which this trailer and like establishing this
world as being that real midpoint of those two things is really engaging to me.
Like you had like that green train that looked really cool, of like
this giant like steampunk machine face thing, just all the tech I thought was
really cool in this city. So I don't really know if I have much
to say on like the story, and there was nothing really there or the
characters that stood out to me in a big way, but just the world
building element alone seemed really compelling. So I was kind of surprised I came
out of this being like, I kind of want to watch this at some
point. Am I gonna go to the theaters for it? I don't know,
but I'm I'm intrigued for this. You liked Wonka and don't forget this
is another musical that they're hiding, so you could like to go. I
mean, maybe that's my new pocket, just fantasy adjacent to hidden musicals.
That's maybe my new favorite genre. That are prequels as well. This is
a prequel about the Witches and how they split off or something like that.
So damn that too. There's a lot of connectivity here. Big pocket for
you. Yeah, No, I was the same. I really have no
so I have weird like I like. I like Wizard of Oz. I
definitely understand why it's so big and like one of the most classic films because
it did a lot of things right. So I haven't watched a good minute,
but it's not what I have to go back to a lot. The
one I really like, and I see s pubs in the chat we've boughte
over. I love, absolutely love Oz the Great and Powerful that Sam Raimi
directed. A couple of years ago. I went through Emily gave me so
much shit. I went through like a couple of months span of anytime I
was going to bed, that was the movie I put on. I actually
fell asleep to last night, but I just kept rewatching this movie over and
over. I don't do that so much. There was a time table might
appreci where I just watch like I pronounce you, Chuck and Larry, like
for months on end. Like I used to just have a movie. That's
why when people say, oh, you've seen The Dark Night a hundred times,
I contantly say, like, yes, I would just put it on
and it would just play in the house for a month, and they'd be
like, oh, this part. So I like the world and the concept,
and there's something about this. I'm not sold on Grande yet as an
actress. From what I've seen in the few little things like Scream Queens and
stuff, seems like she might be a little wooden, but everyone else around
her is good. I like the world to the most part. Yeah,
there's a lot of cgi but and I guess people because people were compared to
the Raimy one that I agree, the rain one looked like had a bit
more color. But this is just like a certain This is a certain like
I understand why some people might look at the trailer not like the cgi type
of coloring it has, but it's not enough to take me out of it
or dislike, get off the way till I see the actual movie, and
I'll actually have to wade and see it. I don't know if this is
one I will see in theaters because it is a musical and that is always
like a stop point for me. And they are hiding it again because it's
at the end there where you know, they sing a little bit. But
this gotta be someone intrigued. And I think maybe I just got to return
to the original Wizard of Oz and maybe I'm just a bigger fan of that
world than I give it credit for, you know, because it just seems
that I like that I, you know, gleam towards so yeah, and
I guess I don't I know that there's a whole play about that I've never
thought of, like why these two witches start this rivalry? But sure,
I'm down to see what's going on. And oh, this is the thing
I did not know at all that Jeff Golden was playing the Wizard. Holy
shit, that's like that's really fun, Like that's like perfect casting of like
the con artist who tricks everybody Jeff gold Like, when I saw that,
my hype maybe it was just Golden alone got my hype up. So I'm
looking really forward to that. So, uh, mister Field, what about
you? Yeah, I I just like you, Dylan, and I grew
up watching this movie. It was just one of those staples. I've Halloween
where my dad dressed up as the Wicked Witch of the West, like full
one hundred percent spot on. And it's ironic because you'd tell me when he
was little that character used to terrify him and the monkeys too. But it's
just such a it's such a great film. I I need to rewatch it.
And Oz are great and powerful. I enjoyed going to that world.
I really liked how colorful it was and just seeing how they they tackle kind
of a little bit more of the Baxter of the characters. But I just
I love the the og. I feel like it's just it's it's wonderful.
I love Scarecrow. He's definitely about the return of Return to Oz for the
Whiz, I think I've seen the thumbnails for that never come. Apparently Return
to Oz is like a really fucked up scary movie. Like maybe made like
unintentionally. And I've actually never seen The Wiz, despite me being a big
Michael Jackson fan of his music specifically never seen The Whiz. But I hear
good things. This looks pretty interesting actually, and I feel like it's it's
just to see see the certain sequences in this trailer. It just sounds it
just seems like a visual spectacle and I'm kind of I'm kind of like driving
with it and I kind of want to give it a go. I didn't
have really any hype before. I know it's a play, right yeah,
Fair Broadway, very famous Broadway play, So I did not have any any
interest at all beforehand. I know I heard it, I heard it being
adapted, but I wasn't keen on it. Seeing the trailer, it's definitely
motivated me enough to want to buy a ticket and put me into a theater
seat. So oh look at that alright. And finally for the trailer's Knuckles
Taylor starting knuckles. Oh man, this uh, this is really really speaking
my language. I'm I was. I I was caught off guard when they
announced the Knuckles show a long time ago. It definitely like makes you think,
like, what the heck but here we are. We got the trailer,
and the humor is up my alley. When you get that very seriousness
that that Knuckles this is a character, and you have just the innocent humor.
I was just surrounded. I watched the trailer like the day that it
dropped. I can't remember any specific humorous moments, and I wish I could.
I should have watched it. But you watched Deadpool hundred times, but
you couldn't. I watched deadpo that wig. But it's just the the there's
certain things that Knuckles does just by portraying this blunt ignorance to the situation and
just totally devoid of how fragile certain humans could be in these characters. I
do. I do it is, and so I like the idea of just
kind of like touching back down on Robotanek, having the guy that worked for
him and just the tech and just going to town with with Knuckles. It
just looks like it's gonna be a really fun show. I'm so on board
for it, and I'm glad that we're getting it uh soon. And I
think it's gonna be a great setup for Sonic three. I think that a
lot of kids are probably gonna be excited when they watch the show, and
just like driving with it and the parents, this is something for the parents
too, because the parents will watch the show at home with the kids and
yeah, okay, let's let's let's go see so three. Uh yeah,
So I'm I'm all for anything that's gonna help put some extra dollars in my
draft pick this year, right right, I forgot that's why you're pulling for
that. Yeah. I didn't dislike it. I did. I'll say it
was above average of what I thought it was gonna be. It didn't look
painful. I think there's some instances in the movies that the Songic movies can
be painful. But maybe I'm just gonna enjoy the Knuckles character more. I
think with having IROs Evil's voice there in some of those situations, I think
a lot of these human characters are gonna annoy the shit at I mean though,
so that's what's really annoying, and that just happens the whole time.
So I enjoyed it. Like I said, I think me being on the
reviews like a fifty to fifty all depends when I watch it. Because the
kids like Sonics. I'll watch it then, but yeah, seemed like there
could be something there. I'll say, like what Aspos said, I'm surprised
how much of like Sonic and tails and stuff in it. So I like,
that's not just kind of like, well, let's just do some knuckles,
have them do someone off the side. Looks like it is pretty connected
to the the world if you like that already, and I'm sure kids will.
So yeah, I can't say I enjoyed it, but I didn't like,
Oh, this looks awful, so somewhere, like I said in the
middle, for me, so nice. Yeah, I don't think I have
much to add here. I'm not a Sonic guy. I haven't seen any
of those movies. This didn't sell me to want to watch the show.
I think it's for the people who are into this. I think it's a
really good trailer. I think the effects look all great, which we wonder
how that'd be in a TV show where they have more Uh, I don't
know, more screen time overall, but maybe less budget. How that's gonna
work out. But it seems like it looks solid. Characters seem like they're
for that audience. Is gonna be great. The humors, all that yes,
the action all that, but it's just not my just not my bag.
So I'm happy for you all that are getting this, uh this show
in this universe and a third movie. You're just getting all this content.
It's awesome. So yeah, they're they're tripling down on the Sonic. It's
working out for them. So yeah, this comes out April twenty six.
It's a classic six episode event, you know, hold on the Disney the
Disney card there, so yeah, at least Taylor and Kirklan will be revealing
those. Of course it's on the fucking Friday, so it's I'm not sure
if you've seen the schedule too. I did update for you in Kirkland.
It is looking like a Kirkla he's the son of God. There's no way,
like I don't know that'd be like me missing like the Wolverine show or
something. And even though it was like Wolverine party, like, there's no
way he's not. I thought he'd be there for for Halo, but you
know he's well I told you and be there for Halo and all we're back,
but like cause like the problem is Halo or Fallout and Knuckles are like
together, like we're getting Faults on the Thursday, the Knuckles on the Friday,
and that has to do with like, I don't know if I haven't
seen Civil War, but like fall guys out at the same time, it's
Strangers chapter one, so there's gonna be some furiosays out episode five Knuckles,
So there's gonna have to be some juggling done by you two if you guys
are doing that. So I put in the calendar, but yeah, it's
a stack a little April March there. So what does he say, Uh,
conundrum, that's a bad. Episodes are gonna be like, what like
thirty minutes each. I was just gonna say that, Yeah, they have
to. They're probably pretty short, so you might be okay, watch them
just be the longest hour and a half each, just like that John Wick
series whatever it was, two hour episodes. Yeah,