WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.320 --> 00:00:04.400 Before the NFL scouting combine. The Cincinnati Bengals have a clear need at defensive 2 00:00:04.400 --> 00:00:07.759 tackle and nose tackle. Let's take a look at the top three guys in 3 00:00:07.799 --> 00:00:13.199 this class before they test in Indianapolis. You are Locked On Bengals, your 4 00:00:13.320 --> 00:00:19.920 daily Cincinnati Bengals podcast, part of the Locked On podcast network, your team 5 00:00:20.120 --> 00:00:38.920 every Day. What up, Bengals fans, and welcome to another episode of 6 00:00:38.920 --> 00:00:42.600 the Lockdown Bengals podcast. I'm Jake. Let's go, joined today by Mike 7 00:00:42.640 --> 00:00:48.159 Santagata app Bengals Underscore Sands to talk about the top defensive tackles in the twenty 8 00:00:48.200 --> 00:00:51.560 twenty four draft class. If you're new to the Lockdown Bengals podcast, yesterday 9 00:00:51.600 --> 00:00:55.439 we talked about what the early tag means for t Higgins and what's going on 10 00:00:55.520 --> 00:00:58.920 with the Bengals salary cap with the two hundred and fifty five million dollars salary 11 00:00:58.960 --> 00:01:03.479 cap announcement from the That episode available to you on YouTube and any view anywhere 12 00:01:03.920 --> 00:01:07.159 you get your podcasts. If you're in every day already or you make us 13 00:01:07.200 --> 00:01:11.120 your first listen already, we appreciate those good habits and hope to see you 14 00:01:11.200 --> 00:01:14.840 again here for the rest of the off season and Mike today, we're going 15 00:01:14.879 --> 00:01:17.480 to take a look at the top defensive tackles in this class. Are going 16 00:01:17.560 --> 00:01:22.000 to test shortly at the Combine. We'll have some more information, but based 17 00:01:22.040 --> 00:01:25.680 on tape and based on mock drafts, at least we can talk about these 18 00:01:25.719 --> 00:01:29.159 guys. And one interesting thing to me, at least as we start this 19 00:01:29.239 --> 00:01:33.920 conversation is the guy that we seem to be higher on so far is a 20 00:01:33.959 --> 00:01:40.439 guy that has been increasingly projected as a faller and we know he's not actually 21 00:01:40.439 --> 00:01:44.879 going to test in Indianapolis. And that's Johnny Newton, the three tech from 22 00:01:45.000 --> 00:01:48.280 Illinois, the defensive tackle from Illinois. So we're going to go through some 23 00:01:48.280 --> 00:01:51.840 scouting reports and strengths, weaknesses, and some takeaways from watching their tape. 24 00:01:51.840 --> 00:01:53.680 That's where we're going to start, Mike, and I believe he is your 25 00:01:53.719 --> 00:01:59.719 top tackle in this draft class. Correct, definitely my top tackle. What 26 00:02:00.239 --> 00:02:02.439 is it that makes buy or not buy Ram Murphy. We're gonna talk about 27 00:02:02.480 --> 00:02:07.799 him later. Johnny Newton your top tackle. So I think as a pass 28 00:02:07.879 --> 00:02:12.520 rusher he has it's a little bit inconsistent sometimes with his recognition of when the 29 00:02:12.520 --> 00:02:15.280 ball is snap, but he has a good get off, and that's gonna 30 00:02:15.319 --> 00:02:17.240 be We're gonna talk about Newton too. We're gonna talk about Murphy too. 31 00:02:17.240 --> 00:02:20.840 Oh goodness, were good to confused Murphy too. Murphy's got that too. 32 00:02:21.039 --> 00:02:25.759 But what Newton presents is some refined tools to not only win with his get 33 00:02:25.800 --> 00:02:30.439 off, but to beat the hands, beat the man on the to the 34 00:02:30.439 --> 00:02:34.240 inside or the outside. I mean, he's got quite a few moves, 35 00:02:34.240 --> 00:02:37.319 but the most I saw was a swipe and a club or a swim move 36 00:02:37.400 --> 00:02:42.120 in there. Try to disengage and come completely clean to get a hit on 37 00:02:42.159 --> 00:02:46.240 the quarterback. So you've got those, and then he can also bull us 38 00:02:46.280 --> 00:02:49.960 through the offensive lineman. And then when you talk about that, you're talking 39 00:02:50.000 --> 00:02:53.080 inside, outside, and through a guy as a pass rusher. That's you 40 00:02:53.080 --> 00:02:54.319 know, that's what you're looking for. You're looking for a way to beat 41 00:02:54.400 --> 00:02:59.560 the guy in front of you all three ways. That becomes when it's really 42 00:02:59.599 --> 00:03:04.879 difficult to block those guys. And Newton, to me, I didn't see. 43 00:03:05.080 --> 00:03:07.000 I know there's arm length questions with him. I saw it a little 44 00:03:07.000 --> 00:03:09.199 bit more in the run game than I saw it in the past game. 45 00:03:09.759 --> 00:03:15.120 And I also think to go with those moves he sets them up well, 46 00:03:15.280 --> 00:03:19.039 some stutters, some hesitations, some jabs, not too much, not that 47 00:03:19.159 --> 00:03:23.599 he never just rushes ahead and tries to win around the outsider through a guy, 48 00:03:23.879 --> 00:03:28.120 But it feels to me as if I was a guard, he would 49 00:03:28.159 --> 00:03:30.879 be the hardest to block in a pass situation, just because he has all 50 00:03:30.960 --> 00:03:35.000 these refined moves already. And I think he's only still twenty one years old, 51 00:03:35.039 --> 00:03:38.400 so he's not an older prospect that's refined. Yeah, we've got him 52 00:03:38.680 --> 00:03:42.800 at around twenty one and a half when the draft rolls around. He's a 53 00:03:42.879 --> 00:03:46.039 junior, so still a younger guy, still has room for development, room 54 00:03:46.080 --> 00:03:51.120 for growth. Listed at six two two ninety five, So those measurements in 55 00:03:51.159 --> 00:03:53.719 the arm length like you mentioned, are going to be critical for him, 56 00:03:53.759 --> 00:03:58.000 I think in terms of how he's perceived in terms of a first round prospect 57 00:03:58.080 --> 00:04:01.280 or a fringe first round prospect. And there's obviously a type of player there, 58 00:04:01.360 --> 00:04:04.439 right, that's your penetrating three at tech who's going to try to shoot 59 00:04:04.439 --> 00:04:11.479 gaps. That's your Geno Akins size guy that you're hoping can be a Geno 60 00:04:11.560 --> 00:04:15.600 Atkins type player. Are there similarities from a play style perspective? From a 61 00:04:15.680 --> 00:04:20.120 traits perspective between Newton and Atkins, I think so, but I get a 62 00:04:20.160 --> 00:04:24.839 little nervous about that. You know, the Hall of Fame type of player 63 00:04:25.920 --> 00:04:30.920 I liked because Geno was always low, and I know Newton has some that 64 00:04:30.000 --> 00:04:32.680 natural leverge at six foot two. It reminds me of a little bit more 65 00:04:32.720 --> 00:04:35.600 of a Javon Hargrave who gets a little high in the run game, who 66 00:04:35.600 --> 00:04:39.600 can get swallowed up in the run game more than Atkins could. Atkins, 67 00:04:39.600 --> 00:04:43.360 it felt like, didn't really have any issues against the run, where it 68 00:04:43.399 --> 00:04:45.879 feels like Newton, not that he's terrible against the run. He can lock 69 00:04:45.959 --> 00:04:49.279 guys out, crossface shed, all that stuff kind of translates over but just 70 00:04:49.319 --> 00:04:53.279 at times guys that are really long can kind of swallow him up and he 71 00:04:53.279 --> 00:04:55.759 can kind of get high out of his stance. And he does that on 72 00:04:55.759 --> 00:04:58.560 his bull rush too sometimes where he just gets high right out of his stance. 73 00:04:58.720 --> 00:05:00.480 It just SAPs all of his power because now he's not playing with the 74 00:05:00.600 --> 00:05:04.439 proper leverage. So I do see some layers with Atkins being a penetrating three 75 00:05:04.439 --> 00:05:10.360 tech having all these moves to win around guys and through them, but actually 76 00:05:10.639 --> 00:05:15.639 kind of like the slightly lower version of Javon Hargrave, who Bagels fans me 77 00:05:15.680 --> 00:05:19.560 included wanted last year in free agency and was a top defensive tackle on the 78 00:05:19.560 --> 00:05:24.800 free agent market. But yeah, I just think some of the pad level 79 00:05:24.800 --> 00:05:28.360 stuff and some of the run game stuff makes him feel a little bit less 80 00:05:28.399 --> 00:05:30.639 like Geno to me. But maybe that's me putting Gino on a pedestal because 81 00:05:30.639 --> 00:05:34.879 I thought he was awesome. And from an alignment perspective, are you seeing 82 00:05:34.879 --> 00:05:41.000 mostly three tech alignments from Newton? I'm just looking at his data over at 83 00:05:41.000 --> 00:05:45.199 PFF. It looks like there's a lot of four I or even head up 84 00:05:45.240 --> 00:05:47.480 on tackles as well. In the profile. Is he a guy that you 85 00:05:47.519 --> 00:05:50.639 see as versatile in terms of where you could put him. Is he a 86 00:05:50.680 --> 00:05:54.680 guy that you're ever putting in that Chris Jones role and saying, hey, 87 00:05:54.720 --> 00:05:57.839 you've got a bad right tackle. I'm going to go put Chris Jones over 88 00:05:57.839 --> 00:06:00.920 Hakeemid energy in the clutch. Is that something that you think is part of 89 00:06:00.920 --> 00:06:05.720 his game? I definitely think he I mean three tech to four eyes even 90 00:06:05.720 --> 00:06:10.319 head up, that's fine to me. That's almost all the same position for 91 00:06:10.360 --> 00:06:16.920 the most part. Yeah, Yeah, but going outside to end I could 92 00:06:16.920 --> 00:06:19.680 see it a little bit. I think that the length hurts him. I 93 00:06:19.720 --> 00:06:24.720 think when you're talking about tackles are really that's where you know if he faces 94 00:06:24.839 --> 00:06:27.600 and he faced Fashu a few times in the Penn State game, it just 95 00:06:27.639 --> 00:06:30.480 felt like Fashu's length was a deterrent for him just being able to get hands 96 00:06:30.480 --> 00:06:33.519 on him first and kind of stall his rush out. So that would be 97 00:06:33.560 --> 00:06:36.800 what would stop me. I don't think that other than that there's a reason 98 00:06:36.839 --> 00:06:41.600 he couldn't do it. But I think of him more as just kind of 99 00:06:41.600 --> 00:06:45.680 a B gap player. So when you're thinking about what makes a first round 100 00:06:46.240 --> 00:06:49.560 grade happen for Newton, when you're thinking about why he's your top rated tackle, 101 00:06:49.600 --> 00:06:56.360 what traits really speak to you and elevate him into that top spot. 102 00:06:56.399 --> 00:06:59.720 When you're evaluating this year's class, which we know we're all looking at because 103 00:06:59.720 --> 00:07:02.240 of Ben have a need there. Yeah, I think it's a combination of 104 00:07:02.279 --> 00:07:06.720 the athleticism age and then refinement, especially as a pass rusher. I don't 105 00:07:06.720 --> 00:07:11.240 think he's bad on rundowns. I feel like I haven't praised him enough there. 106 00:07:11.279 --> 00:07:14.519 He does his job, especially upper body strength, walk guys out and 107 00:07:14.560 --> 00:07:17.800 whatever. But what makes him my top tackle is just not only is he 108 00:07:17.879 --> 00:07:21.040 athletic and young, but he's got some of that refinement to his game where 109 00:07:21.120 --> 00:07:25.959 I think day one he could be a plus pass rusher and maybe he won't 110 00:07:26.000 --> 00:07:29.680 be a plus run defender yet, but I think the potential is there to 111 00:07:29.759 --> 00:07:32.439 be a good run defender, and the most important thing for the Bengals, 112 00:07:33.040 --> 00:07:36.319 in my opinion, might be the pass rush from this three tech position, 113 00:07:36.360 --> 00:07:41.439 because I kind of have the more run defending three tech in bj Hill now 114 00:07:41.519 --> 00:07:45.240 nose tackle, I would be much more worried about his ability to defend the 115 00:07:45.319 --> 00:07:46.839 run. But with him being a three tech and what they've been missing since 116 00:07:46.920 --> 00:07:50.639 Larry Ogunjobi, it feels like he could be a better version of Ogunjobi year 117 00:07:50.680 --> 00:07:58.600 one, and that's something that they have missed sorely since Ogunjobi left. Certainly 118 00:07:58.639 --> 00:08:01.040 a name that we're going to be watching. He should have a pro day 119 00:08:01.079 --> 00:08:03.680 closer to the draft. I think we will get testing for him. I 120 00:08:03.680 --> 00:08:07.120 think that will be important and if he tests really well, then that's where 121 00:08:07.120 --> 00:08:11.160 you can project the athleticism forward too. You can project the strength for because 122 00:08:11.160 --> 00:08:15.000 when you think about a guy like Gino, it was really the strength for 123 00:08:15.120 --> 00:08:18.439 him that separated him. Like he had the quickness, he could cross your 124 00:08:18.439 --> 00:08:20.920 face, he could shoot a gap, but he also could just walk you 125 00:08:20.959 --> 00:08:26.560 back into your quarterback and use you as a projectile to tackle your quarterback. 126 00:08:26.959 --> 00:08:30.120 And that's a pretty uncomfortable place to be for an into your alignement. So 127 00:08:31.920 --> 00:08:33.799 I know you talked about the strength. He had a great pass rush win 128 00:08:33.879 --> 00:08:37.120 rate according to PFF, fifteen point four percent puts him in like the ninety 129 00:08:37.159 --> 00:08:43.080 fifth plus percentile, seventy fifth percentile plus run stop rate as well. So 130 00:08:43.159 --> 00:08:46.360 some of the data really strong for him as well. And it's not like 131 00:08:46.399 --> 00:08:50.799 Illinois is this powerhouse of a football program and in the Big Ten you're you're 132 00:08:50.840 --> 00:08:58.200 generally facing a AFC North style of football, but worse because it's the Big 133 00:08:58.240 --> 00:09:03.000 Ten. Last question, real quick, on a scale of Zach Carter to 134 00:09:03.080 --> 00:09:09.080 Geno Watkins, where do you rank where would you rate the strength and the 135 00:09:09.200 --> 00:09:18.639 functional power for jun Newton Johnny Newto Yeah, h definitely definitely higher than the 136 00:09:18.679 --> 00:09:22.200 first name, but he's not at Atkins level. I do think as a 137 00:09:22.240 --> 00:09:26.799 pass rush he prefers to win inside outside. It could be violently, but 138 00:09:26.840 --> 00:09:28.759 he prefers to win inside outside rather than through a guy, through a guy's 139 00:09:28.840 --> 00:09:35.240 kind of his secondary. So I think it's like a seven point five in 140 00:09:35.279 --> 00:09:39.759 that it's pretty good, still well above average, you know, seventy fifth 141 00:09:39.759 --> 00:09:43.639 percentile strength. You take that. Coming up next, let's talk about some 142 00:09:43.679 --> 00:09:46.399 of the other defensive tackles in this class. We'll talk about those Texas boys 143 00:09:46.799 --> 00:09:52.639 Bira Murphy to Vandre Sweat, a couple of very different style of players coming 144 00:09:52.720 --> 00:09:56.159 up next. This show is sponsored by Better Help. A lot of us 145 00:09:56.200 --> 00:10:01.320 spent our lives wishing we had more time. A question is time for What 146 00:10:01.960 --> 00:10:05.399 if it was unlimited, how would you use it? The best way to 147 00:10:05.440 --> 00:10:09.279 squeeze that special thing into your schedule is to know what's important to you and 148 00:10:09.320 --> 00:10:13.519 to make it a priority. 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Slash lockdown today to get ten percent off your first month. 158 00:10:52.480 --> 00:10:58.360 That's better Help. HLP dot com slash locked on Mike. Let's go Byron 159 00:10:58.559 --> 00:11:03.960 Murphy next, Texas interior defensive lineman, who is up to twelfth on the 160 00:11:03.000 --> 00:11:07.879 PFF Big Board, and I think by consensus has been rising quite a bit 161 00:11:07.919 --> 00:11:13.039 as I think folks are talking more to NFL sources and realizing that the NFL 162 00:11:13.240 --> 00:11:18.960 is higher on Murphy than perhaps they were going into the Senior Bowl process. 163 00:11:20.440 --> 00:11:22.440 For example, of course, Murphy wasn't at the Senior Bowl. His teammate 164 00:11:22.480 --> 00:11:28.120 to and Andre Sweat was, but a similar sized player, a little bit 165 00:11:28.159 --> 00:11:31.120 bigger but shorter, listed at six to one three oh eight, so a 166 00:11:31.159 --> 00:11:33.600 little bit more weight to him. About the same age for Murphy and Newton, 167 00:11:35.399 --> 00:11:41.240 and similar productivity, similar pass rush win rates, similar run stop rates. 168 00:11:41.639 --> 00:11:45.840 One of the big differences is that Texas used Bira Murphy, despite his 169 00:11:46.759 --> 00:11:48.720 size that you would project to be more of a three tech in the NFL. 170 00:11:48.759 --> 00:11:52.039 That used him a lot. In the A gap he used him at 171 00:11:52.039 --> 00:11:54.840 nose tackle a lot. But let's start big picture. What are your big 172 00:11:54.879 --> 00:11:58.879 takeaways when you look at Bira Murphy and how far apart are you on Murphy 173 00:12:00.120 --> 00:12:05.320 Newton. I think with Murphy he has I think more potential than Newton, 174 00:12:05.399 --> 00:12:07.639 just because he does have a tiny bit more length, a little bit more 175 00:12:07.679 --> 00:12:11.399 weight, and I think he's actually a little bit more athletic. So starting 176 00:12:11.399 --> 00:12:15.559 there, if you are just and I think some NFL teams will think this, 177 00:12:16.039 --> 00:12:16.759 you know, we'll get the most out of them, you know, 178 00:12:16.919 --> 00:12:20.759 like we don't care about the floor so much, we just care about the 179 00:12:20.799 --> 00:12:24.200 ceiling. I think you go with Murphy because he has the ceiling to I 180 00:12:24.240 --> 00:12:28.039 think be even better than Newton. It will be, and I'm pretty high 181 00:12:28.039 --> 00:12:31.080 in Newton's ceiling. I think that Murphy has an awesome get off of even 182 00:12:31.120 --> 00:12:37.799 better get off than Newton. I think the main difference I have between the 183 00:12:37.799 --> 00:12:41.240 two is a little bit of refinement things and a little bit of questions with 184 00:12:41.440 --> 00:12:46.120 the tape two because when you talked about his A gap stuff. Well, 185 00:12:46.159 --> 00:12:50.000 I don't see him playing there much because to me, he wasn't doing like 186 00:12:50.399 --> 00:12:54.720 real good nose tackle things, and it felt more like this guy's out of 187 00:12:54.759 --> 00:13:00.559 position, you know, like he's getting iow State film, not he was 188 00:13:00.559 --> 00:13:03.240 getting pushed around by those guys as like Iowa State guys. I don't know 189 00:13:03.399 --> 00:13:07.120 the center guard combo here, but how are you not able to hold up 190 00:13:07.120 --> 00:13:11.440 there? So like maybe we should get you off these double teams and into 191 00:13:11.440 --> 00:13:13.200 the B gaps where you can maybe shoot the gap a little bit, or 192 00:13:13.919 --> 00:13:18.759 they slanted him from the A gap, but it was just I didn't love 193 00:13:18.799 --> 00:13:20.080 it, especially when you have Sweat, who we'll get to, but it's 194 00:13:20.080 --> 00:13:22.279 three hundred and sixty pounds, like put him at nose, Like why are 195 00:13:22.320 --> 00:13:24.840 we putting Murphy att nose and him at three tech? I feel like we're 196 00:13:24.879 --> 00:13:30.600 just I don't understand that. But the refinement thing I think shows up when 197 00:13:30.639 --> 00:13:35.240 you're talking about his ability to finish. He can maybe achieve the upper hand 198 00:13:35.360 --> 00:13:37.279 on a lot of guys, but he's not getting those hands off of him 199 00:13:37.320 --> 00:13:41.639 winning clean. So it might get charred as a pressure, might get charred 200 00:13:41.679 --> 00:13:45.440 as a pass rush win. But to me, it's not as valuable as 201 00:13:45.480 --> 00:13:48.879 what Newton was able to do, where he comes completely clean and is able 202 00:13:48.879 --> 00:13:52.440 to put a hit on the quarterback or able to sack the quarterback or come 203 00:13:52.559 --> 00:13:54.480 right at him, and the quarterback knows he has to get the ball out 204 00:13:54.559 --> 00:13:58.600 rather than just move off of his spot or maybe have to go make something 205 00:13:58.600 --> 00:14:01.799 happen off script. I think run game, he's kind of similar to Newton. 206 00:14:01.879 --> 00:14:05.480 I think some people have talked about his run game. His run defense 207 00:14:05.639 --> 00:14:11.399 is better, and I just it was weird because I was reading something with 208 00:14:11.440 --> 00:14:13.159 his double team, was like, yeah, he goes to a knee. 209 00:14:13.200 --> 00:14:16.600 I've never seen them ever made what are we talking about? I watched DJ 210 00:14:16.840 --> 00:14:20.360 do that four times a game. But he does that sometimes he can stay 211 00:14:20.399 --> 00:14:22.159 lower against those double teams. He also got moved by the double teams a 212 00:14:22.159 --> 00:14:26.159 lot, and he looked like a three tech trying to play nose against those 213 00:14:26.159 --> 00:14:31.399 double teams. So to me, I felt like him and Newton struggled against 214 00:14:31.440 --> 00:14:33.799 double teams, and they were pretty good when they got soloed up and were 215 00:14:33.799 --> 00:14:39.639 able to lock out, cross face, shed all of those fun defensive lineman 216 00:14:39.720 --> 00:14:41.919 techniques. I think the main difference is he's a little bit more athletic, 217 00:14:41.960 --> 00:14:45.360 maybe a little bit higher potential, a little bit lower floor to me, 218 00:14:45.440 --> 00:14:48.559 a little bit more questions because we didn't see him exclusively at three TECH. 219 00:14:48.600 --> 00:14:52.559 In fact, some games you would see him mostly at nose shade one two 220 00:14:52.679 --> 00:14:58.080 I wherever, just near the A gaps rather than near the B gaps. 221 00:14:58.279 --> 00:15:01.559 So that doesn't feel like where I would use him, and that left me 222 00:15:01.679 --> 00:15:05.559 to left me with some questions too. He also played a lot less than 223 00:15:05.919 --> 00:15:09.840 Newton did, like he had eleven hundred career snaps roughly eleven twenty eight according 224 00:15:09.840 --> 00:15:15.440 to PFF's snapcounts and Gerson Newton the last two years is just two years, 225 00:15:15.480 --> 00:15:20.120 fourteen hundred in total in his career, well over two thousand snaps, So 226 00:15:20.240 --> 00:15:24.440 Newton a lot more experienced than Murphy, which is interesting. Murphy also a 227 00:15:24.440 --> 00:15:26.639 little bit of a late breakout from a productivity perspective, like he was a 228 00:15:26.679 --> 00:15:31.600 fine player at Texas for two years. Started his career as a freshman, 229 00:15:31.639 --> 00:15:35.039 playing more against the run than as a pass rusher, only had eleven total 230 00:15:35.080 --> 00:15:39.759 pressures that year according to PFF. As a sophomore. In his second year 231 00:15:39.759 --> 00:15:43.000 at Texas, played a little bit more, they added one hundred snaps of 232 00:15:43.120 --> 00:15:46.480 workload for him. He got to rush the passer sixty times more that year 233 00:15:46.519 --> 00:15:50.120 than he was out there to defend the run. Ends up with twenty total 234 00:15:50.120 --> 00:15:54.879 pressures that year on two hundred and twenty six pass pass rushes, which is 235 00:15:54.919 --> 00:15:58.519 a pretty efficient rate of getting home to the quarterback. But that's still not 236 00:15:58.559 --> 00:16:03.080 a ton of experience for Murphy. And then even this year as a junior 237 00:16:03.440 --> 00:16:07.240 plays in fourteen games, would only play as four hund and thirty eight snaps. 238 00:16:07.279 --> 00:16:11.759 So I guess Texas must just be incredibly deep on the defensive line. 239 00:16:11.799 --> 00:16:14.600 We know that they had two guys drafted last year, for example, and 240 00:16:14.799 --> 00:16:17.919 we know Tavandre Sweat we're about to talk about on this defensive line as well, 241 00:16:17.960 --> 00:16:19.120 and they have some young and up and coming guys as well, I 242 00:16:19.120 --> 00:16:25.480 think, but that split really grew in favor of pass rush snaps. The 243 00:16:25.519 --> 00:16:29.279 growth in terms of snap count for Murphy year over year from twenty two to 244 00:16:29.320 --> 00:16:33.919 twenty three was all adding pass rush snaps. And you also really saw the 245 00:16:33.240 --> 00:16:40.559 pressure rate take off this year for Texas, where he went from twenty pressures 246 00:16:40.600 --> 00:16:45.440 last year to forty five in twenty twenty three, and that comes on just 247 00:16:45.519 --> 00:16:48.200 fifty more or so pass rushing snaps, So you doubled the pressures on just 248 00:16:48.240 --> 00:16:52.000 fifty more snaps. That's a pretty significant jump. So you did see a 249 00:16:52.039 --> 00:16:56.960 really significant breakout I think for Murphy as a pass rusher this year, and 250 00:16:56.000 --> 00:17:00.120 that still comes with one hundred and twenty seven a gap of position snaps, 251 00:17:00.279 --> 00:17:03.680 which I'm wondering if that's just like a weird college thing where they're doing weird 252 00:17:03.680 --> 00:17:07.480 stuff with their defensive lines and they're keeping him out there in passing downs but 253 00:17:07.559 --> 00:17:11.640 just putting him at nose and sometimes he's dealing with the run in those situations. 254 00:17:11.640 --> 00:17:15.200 In Texas has a bit of a weird rotation going on. We've complained 255 00:17:15.200 --> 00:17:18.319 about it back and forth, like when talking about JC Latham, Like the 256 00:17:18.400 --> 00:17:23.680 kinds of defensive fronts that colleges are using in college offensive linemen have to face 257 00:17:23.720 --> 00:17:30.079 are a little bit weird. But I wonder what triggered that pass rush breakout 258 00:17:30.640 --> 00:17:33.119 as it were, for Murphy this year. What's his calling card? How 259 00:17:33.160 --> 00:17:38.119 does he most frequently win? Because the pass rush grades really high for PFF, 260 00:17:38.240 --> 00:17:42.119 the pass rush win rate even higher than Newton's. He comes in just 261 00:17:42.200 --> 00:17:47.599 south of twenty percent, which for an interior lignement is pretty crazy, especially 262 00:17:47.599 --> 00:17:51.680 for a guy with as many snaps at noses he got. So how does 263 00:17:51.680 --> 00:17:56.039 he win as a pass rusher? Mostly to me athleticism, get off winning 264 00:17:56.039 --> 00:18:00.039 around, and some strengthen there too. I think he's a strong player and 265 00:18:00.119 --> 00:18:03.279 turn that speed into power. But most of the time I believe that I 266 00:18:03.319 --> 00:18:06.440 saw him won and I watched, however, many games, So maybe there's 267 00:18:06.480 --> 00:18:10.720 games where he was looking like a really refined swipe and you know, rip, 268 00:18:11.200 --> 00:18:14.279 dip, whatever move you want to talk about. Maybe he had some 269 00:18:14.319 --> 00:18:15.279 of that in there, But the games I watched, it was mostly him 270 00:18:15.279 --> 00:18:18.599 being a better athlete and just beating a guy to his spot and being able 271 00:18:18.640 --> 00:18:22.359 to just rip through that or run through that contact, or maybe just bool 272 00:18:22.400 --> 00:18:26.519 that outside shoulder or inside shoulder wherever he's trying to contact a guy. Also 273 00:18:26.599 --> 00:18:32.000 felt like, did guil little help from our guy sweat that we'll talk about 274 00:18:32.000 --> 00:18:34.160 with some of the stunts. I think some of those, you know sweat, 275 00:18:34.319 --> 00:18:37.680 it's kind of like a pick and roll basketball guy says the screen. 276 00:18:37.720 --> 00:18:42.000 He doesn't get any credit, so he got some open looks that way too. 277 00:18:42.480 --> 00:18:47.200 I just I felt like when I watched Murphy, it actually, weirdly 278 00:18:47.279 --> 00:18:49.359 enough, reminded me of Murphy last year, where I'm like, yeah, 279 00:18:49.359 --> 00:18:52.000 there's a lot of athleticism here, there's a lot of reasons to think that 280 00:18:52.039 --> 00:18:56.279 the ceiling is awesome. But when you're picking at eighteen versus twenty eight, 281 00:18:56.160 --> 00:19:00.200 do you want the guy that's not very refined and maybe your first year you're 282 00:19:00.240 --> 00:19:03.640 just going like, hey, let's just get him some experience. He should 283 00:19:03.680 --> 00:19:06.960 be viable out there, and then we'll get some flash plays and then year 284 00:19:07.000 --> 00:19:08.759 two, year three, that's when he can really come on for the team. 285 00:19:10.119 --> 00:19:14.079 That's interesting because of just the trends where he seems to be taking off 286 00:19:14.119 --> 00:19:18.279 and on their trajectory for a lot of consensus. Borts big boards to be 287 00:19:18.880 --> 00:19:21.680 the number one tackle in the class for a lot of folks, and you're 288 00:19:22.599 --> 00:19:29.160 sounding cautionary alarms as far as how Murphy would fit as a first round splash 289 00:19:29.200 --> 00:19:32.279 player where the Bengals are looking for, or at least we're looking for for 290 00:19:32.400 --> 00:19:34.440 the Bengals, that first round impact, that ability to hit the ground running 291 00:19:34.440 --> 00:19:37.759 when you're picking in the middle of the first round instead of at the end 292 00:19:37.799 --> 00:19:41.440 of the first round, anything else on Murphy before we move on and finish 293 00:19:41.440 --> 00:19:47.480 the show with his teammate to Andre Sweat. Mike No, I think it 294 00:19:47.519 --> 00:19:51.079 makes sense we're talking about climbing up the consensus sports and talking to NFL guys 295 00:19:51.079 --> 00:19:53.279 because I feel like NFL guys really hone in on a ceiling type of thing 296 00:19:53.319 --> 00:19:57.319 where they feel like they're just we'll get the most of that guy. We're 297 00:19:57.359 --> 00:20:02.519 going to turn him into the best version of himself or whoever you could think 298 00:20:02.559 --> 00:20:06.119 of for that. So that's where I think some of that comes from, 299 00:20:06.200 --> 00:20:11.279 Whereas maybe Newton is not maxed out or anything, but he's a little closer 300 00:20:11.279 --> 00:20:14.000 to his ceiling than Murphy is. So you look at that, you're like, 301 00:20:14.079 --> 00:20:15.240 yeah, Newton could be a really good player, but Murphy he could 302 00:20:15.240 --> 00:20:19.480 be he could be like All Pro special type of player, And and what 303 00:20:19.480 --> 00:20:22.119 what is the ceiling? Then you think Pro Bowl ceiling for Newton? Do 304 00:20:22.119 --> 00:20:26.920 you think all Pro is a ceiling realistically for Newton if you're taking a mid 305 00:20:26.920 --> 00:20:30.000 first round pick there, Yes, or no. I think I'm closer to 306 00:20:30.039 --> 00:20:33.279 a Pro Bowl ceiling on him, But I wouldn't be that surprised if he 307 00:20:33.319 --> 00:20:36.880 turns into an All Pro player. I think that's just the real high end, 308 00:20:36.920 --> 00:20:38.640 like Piste von Hargrave made an All Pro, don't don't. I don't 309 00:20:38.680 --> 00:20:41.440 think so, But like last year, you could have made the case. 310 00:20:41.640 --> 00:20:44.920 I think that's where Newton lies, where he's like a pro Bowl player, 311 00:20:44.960 --> 00:20:45.960 and like there's a couple of years you could make the case he could be 312 00:20:47.000 --> 00:20:52.960 an All Pro. Let's finish up the show with Byron Murphy's teammate Tovandre Sweat 313 00:20:52.000 --> 00:20:57.000 the Massive Nose tackle from Texas coming up next. Today's show is brought to 314 00:20:57.039 --> 00:21:02.519 you by fan Duel. Get buckets with your first bet on Fandel, America's 315 00:21:02.559 --> 00:21:04.720 number one sports book, because right now new customers get one hundred and fifty 316 00:21:04.720 --> 00:21:10.319 dollars in bonus bets with any winning five dollar bet. That's one hundred and 317 00:21:10.400 --> 00:21:14.480 fifty bucks if your bet wins. 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But when you look at 333 00:22:18.680 --> 00:22:23.839 Devandre Sweats last year at Texas, where there were some character concerns, apparently 334 00:22:25.000 --> 00:22:29.759 motivation concerns, then he put it all together. According to people that have 335 00:22:29.799 --> 00:22:33.160 talked to his coaches, he's put that behind him. He played five hundred 336 00:22:33.160 --> 00:22:37.200 snaps, was actually on the field more for the Texas Longhorns in twenty twenty 337 00:22:37.200 --> 00:22:41.640 three than his teammate Bier Murphy, despite carrying sixty more pounds over three hundred 338 00:22:41.680 --> 00:22:47.319 and sixty pounds at six y four and has a pass rush win rate that 339 00:22:47.440 --> 00:22:52.200 rivals Joshon Newton. Has a run stop rate that blows everybody away. And 340 00:22:52.240 --> 00:22:55.400 when you think about DJ Reader, one of the reasons he's so good for 341 00:22:55.440 --> 00:22:59.720 the Bengals is because he can affect the passer as well. When you watch 342 00:23:00.039 --> 00:23:04.599 and sweat, are there shades of DJ Reader? Is that too lofty to 343 00:23:04.640 --> 00:23:10.160 think about for sweat ceiling? I think it's there. I think you you 344 00:23:10.200 --> 00:23:14.039 talk about a guy his size, three hundred and sixty pounds, that's higher, 345 00:23:14.359 --> 00:23:18.960 that's bigger than listed Vince wolfork than listed Casey Hampton. Then like your 346 00:23:18.000 --> 00:23:21.680 traditional like that's a nose tack. Well, he doesn't move too much, 347 00:23:21.720 --> 00:23:25.799 but you know he's a run stock. This guy moves. He cross faced 348 00:23:25.839 --> 00:23:29.359 a center, he was tilted whatever you will talk about. He stilled the 349 00:23:29.400 --> 00:23:33.000 get off at three hundred and sixty something pounds to cross the face of the 350 00:23:33.039 --> 00:23:37.720 center and get a clean hit on the quarterback. I was that's I watched 351 00:23:37.799 --> 00:23:40.720 Texas last year for those defensive tackles. I think we're day three guys, 352 00:23:41.079 --> 00:23:44.440 and I remember looking up, like, who's ninety three? Why aren't we 353 00:23:44.440 --> 00:23:45.039 talking about this guy? I was like, oh, Sweat, is he 354 00:23:45.279 --> 00:23:48.279 coming out? No? Okay, sure, and he wasn't as good last 355 00:23:48.319 --> 00:23:52.160 year as he was this year, but just you could still see the movement 356 00:23:52.279 --> 00:23:55.640 at the size. It's just rare to me. And now I know that 357 00:23:55.799 --> 00:24:00.319 the Eagles just drafted Jordan Davis kind of had that similar idea where he's look 358 00:24:00.319 --> 00:24:03.920 at that size and the movement ability. He went first round, and I 359 00:24:03.920 --> 00:24:07.920 think Sweat to me is kind of a first round nose tackle where dominant against 360 00:24:07.920 --> 00:24:11.440 the run, a good pass rusher, and the ability to get off and 361 00:24:11.559 --> 00:24:15.000 move like he can at his size. Now, I don't think he's gonna 362 00:24:15.000 --> 00:24:17.839 come up with like a ten RAS score or something, but when you talk 363 00:24:17.839 --> 00:24:22.279 at three hundred and sixty pounds being able to just put yourself ahead of other 364 00:24:22.720 --> 00:24:25.759 guys that are three hundred and twenty pounds plus. I remember I talked to 365 00:24:25.799 --> 00:24:29.720 the the grid Iron Gang guys, the Bengals fans that do the draft stuff. 366 00:24:29.759 --> 00:24:32.920 I was like, because they listened to the defense at tackles by productivity, 367 00:24:32.960 --> 00:24:34.039 I was like, oh, sweat third, Like, where's that compared 368 00:24:34.079 --> 00:24:37.319 to a three hundred and twenty plus pound players. You're like, that's rare, 369 00:24:37.480 --> 00:24:40.640 Like this's usually three texts only on this list. It's like yeah, 370 00:24:40.799 --> 00:24:42.920 yeah, because he you shouldn't win like this. I thought he had some 371 00:24:44.039 --> 00:24:47.200 good hands. I think he's more refined than his teammate. I think the 372 00:24:47.240 --> 00:24:48.960 pad level, if you're gonna talk about a concern, there is. He's 373 00:24:49.000 --> 00:24:52.799 six foot four and the pad level can get high. But that had no 374 00:24:52.920 --> 00:24:56.119 matter in the collegiate level, so I think you might have to work on 375 00:24:56.119 --> 00:24:57.440 that. I don't think it's like a he can't bend down thing. I 376 00:24:57.480 --> 00:25:00.160 think it's just it didn't matter. Call it like double teams. You can 377 00:25:00.240 --> 00:25:03.720 just take him on, Just throw a guy to the side and go make 378 00:25:03.759 --> 00:25:07.440 the stop. I think I think awesome, he's my kind of player, 379 00:25:07.480 --> 00:25:11.720 you know, nose tackle that can rush the passer. I think that's rare 380 00:25:11.799 --> 00:25:15.599 to find. I don't think he'll be VPA when you consider, you know, 381 00:25:15.720 --> 00:25:18.799 like how much is he going to play? What's the value of the 382 00:25:18.839 --> 00:25:23.799 nose tackle, et cetera. But I mean my ideal start if he could 383 00:25:23.799 --> 00:25:26.920 follow around two with some of those concerned like, oh man, that is 384 00:25:26.960 --> 00:25:30.039 such a great pick because I think he's a first round player and just to 385 00:25:30.039 --> 00:25:33.400 me, the special thing just comes from yes, he's a dominant nose tackle 386 00:25:33.400 --> 00:25:37.240 that can stop the run at three hundred and sixty pounds, but what becomes 387 00:25:37.319 --> 00:25:41.839 rare is his ability to move and rush the passer at that size. Yeah, 388 00:25:41.880 --> 00:25:45.160 and what's weird with Sweat is, at least according to PFF's Big Board, 389 00:25:45.200 --> 00:25:49.839 he is way down, like down to ninety on the PFF Big Board, 390 00:25:49.880 --> 00:25:53.880 which is a post Senior Bowl update, which he had a great Senior 391 00:25:53.920 --> 00:25:57.400 Bowl. So that has to come from Trevor Sikonma talking to people in Mobile, 392 00:25:57.400 --> 00:26:00.599 Alabama and getting the field that perhaps to the NFL not as not as 393 00:26:00.640 --> 00:26:06.279 high on Sweat as he was. Yeah, I mean, I have no 394 00:26:06.319 --> 00:26:07.480 idea. I know the first day of the Senior Bowl, I think he 395 00:26:07.519 --> 00:26:11.799 didn't have the best day and then dominated every other day, like you just 396 00:26:11.880 --> 00:26:14.519 kind of like a wake up like they treat the series, these guys are 397 00:26:14.519 --> 00:26:17.759 good, and then just took it to him. I mean that pass rush 398 00:26:17.839 --> 00:26:22.359 up he had against the Arkansas Center where he just rushed it straight into the 399 00:26:22.400 --> 00:26:26.519 ground. That was pretty awesome. Bolimmer I think was his name. Adol 400 00:26:26.720 --> 00:26:30.000 mentioned Botlimber got the better of him on the day one. I remember that 401 00:26:30.240 --> 00:26:32.759 people were talking about it, and then day two it felt like Sweat was 402 00:26:32.799 --> 00:26:36.319 like, yeah, no, I am that dude. So he showed up. 403 00:26:36.519 --> 00:26:38.000 Yeah, It's not like he's like perfect at the Senior Bowl, but 404 00:26:38.119 --> 00:26:45.039 he did notably bend a man in half backward and trumple him on one particular 405 00:26:45.160 --> 00:26:48.480 ref which is a highlight that you will never forget once you've seen it. 406 00:26:48.519 --> 00:26:52.880 And if you haven't seen it, go search it up on Twitter. Tavandras 407 00:26:52.920 --> 00:26:57.119 what crushes Limmer or bend's man in half? Should turn that up. He's 408 00:26:57.160 --> 00:27:00.960 thirty three, by the way on Dame Bruler's big board that he released about 409 00:27:00.960 --> 00:27:04.880 a week ago. Two weeks ago on the Athletic dot Com, he wrote 410 00:27:04.920 --> 00:27:07.720 about Sweat kind of in line with what I just talked about. He's known 411 00:27:07.720 --> 00:27:11.440 for immature tendencies as an underclass when you return for his Super Senior season, 412 00:27:11.440 --> 00:27:15.480 which is interesting, so we'll have to check on his age. But Super 413 00:27:15.519 --> 00:27:18.880 Senior season in twenty twenty three and made several key changes on and off the 414 00:27:18.920 --> 00:27:22.880 field that helped elevate him and answered questions NFL scouts might have had about him. 415 00:27:23.039 --> 00:27:26.759 He was also the first Texas played to when the Outland trophies since nineteen 416 00:27:26.839 --> 00:27:30.000 ninety seven describes a powerful base that you talked about, Mike doesn't get moved 417 00:27:30.200 --> 00:27:34.200 by individuals not to mention, or by double teams not to mention individuals. 418 00:27:34.680 --> 00:27:38.839 And when you think about what the Bengals need, that's where Devandre Sweat is 419 00:27:38.880 --> 00:27:42.720 so appealing. Like you talk about Brock Bauers as a potential first round fit 420 00:27:42.759 --> 00:27:47.440 who does a lot of the things that Bengals are looking for as a playmaker 421 00:27:47.519 --> 00:27:51.119 in that perspective, or you talk about you know, I talk about my 422 00:27:51.160 --> 00:27:53.799 personal opinion JC Latham. The things that the Bengals need is from a right 423 00:27:53.880 --> 00:27:57.759 tackle. When you think about the things they need to replace the productivity they 424 00:27:57.799 --> 00:28:02.319 got from DJ Reader when he is on the field, a guy that can 425 00:28:03.039 --> 00:28:07.200 consistently affect the pocket by his sheer size and you have to account for because 426 00:28:07.240 --> 00:28:11.920 he's three hundred and sixty pounds. You have to game plan for that. 427 00:28:11.319 --> 00:28:15.240 When you can practically apply that three hundred and sixty pounds and use it with 428 00:28:15.279 --> 00:28:19.920 functional strength. This is a guy that is very, very attractive to me 429 00:28:21.759 --> 00:28:23.640 as a draft target for the Bengals. It's just a question of where you 430 00:28:23.640 --> 00:28:26.400 would have to pick him and if the Bengals will be in position to do 431 00:28:26.480 --> 00:28:32.119 so. I would imagine the standard deviation for him on NFL boards will be 432 00:28:32.119 --> 00:28:37.079 pretty big. There's going to be teams that say, nose tackle, I'll 433 00:28:37.079 --> 00:28:38.200 get one in the fourth round. There's going to be teams to look at 434 00:28:38.240 --> 00:28:41.680 him and say, man, you see what DJ Reader does when he's healthy. 435 00:28:41.680 --> 00:28:47.160 For that Bengals defense, tobandres Well can be ninety percent of DJ Reader. 436 00:28:47.880 --> 00:28:49.960 That's probably worth a premium pick, and so that'll be really interesting. 437 00:28:51.839 --> 00:28:55.319 Yeah, the guy it came to because DJ Reader is just a little bit 438 00:28:55.319 --> 00:28:59.319 shorter and can play lower with don Terry Poe. If you remember at his 439 00:29:00.079 --> 00:29:03.200 I'm Pro Bowl Player, second team All Pro like really good play, not 440 00:29:03.319 --> 00:29:07.119 just the It kind of fits too because they used to Vanders sweat on the 441 00:29:07.119 --> 00:29:10.480 offensive side. He caught a touchdown Tod the Heisman pos and Poe obviously had 442 00:29:10.480 --> 00:29:15.079 that fun pass passing touchdown. The heaviest player to ever throw a touchdown, 443 00:29:15.400 --> 00:29:18.079 So they kind of have that fun miss factor to them. But they were 444 00:29:18.119 --> 00:29:22.440 both big guys that could move really well. And that's where I keep coming 445 00:29:22.480 --> 00:29:26.200 back to Or is man, who can you think of that is this tall, 446 00:29:26.279 --> 00:29:30.359 this wide that can move like that and can hold up like He's not 447 00:29:30.480 --> 00:29:34.920 just some unrefined physical marvel like. I think he has refinement to him. 448 00:29:34.920 --> 00:29:38.799 I think he has the ability to day one be an impact player. That's 449 00:29:38.799 --> 00:29:41.039 why I could come back to it. And where do you value that? 450 00:29:41.079 --> 00:29:44.519 I don't know. And then I think a lot of sweat is going to 451 00:29:44.559 --> 00:29:47.559 be what we talked about too, with the off the field stuff like you 452 00:29:47.640 --> 00:29:52.759 mentioned last Or he got more serious this super senior season. His senior season, 453 00:29:52.839 --> 00:29:56.279 the only award he had I think was a second team preseason Big twelve 454 00:29:56.359 --> 00:30:00.799 All American going oh that was going into this year. And then this year 455 00:30:00.839 --> 00:30:03.279 obviously he won the outline. He was a unanimous first team All American. 456 00:30:03.359 --> 00:30:07.279 Like he obviously put everything together and won just about every award you could win 457 00:30:07.319 --> 00:30:10.480 as a nose tackle other than as a nose tackle over won the Heisman. 458 00:30:10.559 --> 00:30:14.279 I don't think he had a shot. Yeah, No, I don't think 459 00:30:14.279 --> 00:30:18.880 so either, but between a great Senior Bowl, a great final season at 460 00:30:18.880 --> 00:30:22.200 Texas, and a spotty college career before then, I think that's one of 461 00:30:22.240 --> 00:30:26.359 the things that just makes him a very interesting prospect to project in the draft. 462 00:30:26.400 --> 00:30:30.920 And like I said, I think the standard deviation on where teams around 463 00:30:30.960 --> 00:30:36.440 the NFL evaluate him and grades around the NFL and him will be very desperate. 464 00:30:36.480 --> 00:30:37.759 But we'll see how he tests as well. If we get tests for 465 00:30:37.839 --> 00:30:41.279 these guys at the combine going to be fascinating. Does he throw up like 466 00:30:41.359 --> 00:30:45.000 the thirty bench press reps or whatever it was for DJ Reader and show off 467 00:30:45.000 --> 00:30:48.839 that massive strength on the bench press? What kind of arm length measurement? 468 00:30:48.839 --> 00:30:52.319 Well, I guess we have the rest of the measurements. Oh, he 469 00:30:52.359 --> 00:30:55.400 didn't weigh into the Senior Bowl, so does he weigh in at the combine? 470 00:30:55.440 --> 00:30:59.880 Will be another question. I think you think about Jawan Jones fall last 471 00:31:00.799 --> 00:31:03.920 for the way that he treated the Senior Bowl. Now Devandre Sweat didn't leave 472 00:31:03.920 --> 00:31:07.079 early, but he didn't weigh in and so wait, I'm sure will be 473 00:31:07.119 --> 00:31:11.319 a question for Sweat and something that he's working on ahead of his combine way 474 00:31:11.319 --> 00:31:15.160 in which should be later this week. I haven't looked at the combine schedule. 475 00:31:15.279 --> 00:31:19.240 We'll maybe be this weekend, but we'll find out in the near future, 476 00:31:19.279 --> 00:31:22.000 so we'll be watching all three of these guys and Mike, we appreciate 477 00:31:22.039 --> 00:31:26.160 it. You can go find his right up on Tvandre Sweat and a Johnny 478 00:31:26.200 --> 00:31:30.599 Newton right up at Allbengals dot com, and of course he's a big contributor 479 00:31:30.640 --> 00:31:33.680 to the draft ranking sheet that we work on with Joe Gubberry every year as 480 00:31:33.680 --> 00:31:37.559 well that we'll be putting out closer to the Draft. You can find him 481 00:31:37.599 --> 00:31:41.720 on Twitter. Like I said, at Bengals Underscore stands. Until next time, 482 00:31:41.079 --> 00:31:45.359 thanks for listening to this episode of the Lockdown Bengals podcast. Who Day 483 00:31:47.000 --> 00:31:47.799 and have a good book.