WEBVTT 1 00:00:03.439 --> 00:00:07.960 Welcome to the Parenting Roundabout podcast. I'm Terry Morrow and I'm Catherine Jileco. 2 00:00:08.240 --> 00:00:12.519 As parents and parenting writers, we can't help but see everything through a parenting 3 00:00:12.640 --> 00:00:17.039 lens. But as our kids have become adults, we find ourselves more interested 4 00:00:17.079 --> 00:00:20.920 in getting caught up on movies and streaming than I'm going over the same parenting 5 00:00:21.000 --> 00:00:26.120 topics over and over. So since we're pretty sure we can find parenting wisdom 6 00:00:26.239 --> 00:00:30.120 anywhere, we're going to talk about what we're watching, what we thought about 7 00:00:30.160 --> 00:00:33.399 it, and maybe what we can learn from it, if only what not 8 00:00:33.520 --> 00:00:37.359 to do. Watch and listen along, and let's all make like we're doing 9 00:00:37.399 --> 00:00:42.679 something important for our families. Each Wednesday, we're bringing you a watch or 10 00:00:42.840 --> 00:00:47.079 rewatch of an older entertainment property, And for this week of July eighth, 11 00:00:47.119 --> 00:00:52.679 we are kicking it off with Lost, which originally premiered almost twenty years ago 12 00:00:52.880 --> 00:00:57.039 on September twenty second, two thousand and four. We have to go back 13 00:00:58.880 --> 00:01:00.159 the joke that you will not get for quite some time, But okay, 14 00:01:00.920 --> 00:01:06.439 I have actually watched all of Lost the first time through and enjoyed it a 15 00:01:06.480 --> 00:01:12.400 great deal, even as the general overall consensus on it went down like a 16 00:01:12.599 --> 00:01:19.799 broken airplane. But I liked it all the way to the apparently controversial ending. 17 00:01:19.719 --> 00:01:26.079 It did meander quite a bit toward the middle because it had the misfortune 18 00:01:26.120 --> 00:01:32.239 of being a huge hit, and so ABC wanted it just to run forever. 19 00:01:32.519 --> 00:01:34.159 It was like, well, you know, you set up the chessboard 20 00:01:34.239 --> 00:01:38.719 and then you say, just move things around for a little while, right, 21 00:01:38.799 --> 00:01:45.319 Okay, so we're going to watch this in increments and at some point 22 00:01:45.439 --> 00:01:49.599 you say, oh, enough of this, we will bail. But for 23 00:01:49.799 --> 00:01:53.920 the moment, the first dozen episodes I think are pretty fantastic. This pilot 24 00:01:55.079 --> 00:02:00.760 is sort of accepted as pretty spectacular, and also the two parts of it 25 00:02:00.840 --> 00:02:09.000 being the most expensive pilot ever pilot in terms of the of the actual episodes, 26 00:02:09.039 --> 00:02:13.879 not in terms of the actual pilot. Who hey, it's Greg Grunberg. 27 00:02:14.080 --> 00:02:19.520 I didn't know Greg Grunberg is in this show. He's not not for 28 00:02:19.639 --> 00:02:25.560 long. Yes, the actual pilot was about two minutes, but the two 29 00:02:25.639 --> 00:02:34.000 episodes together anyway, So you just get plunged right into this thing. What 30 00:02:34.039 --> 00:02:38.719 did you think of it? Well, I regret to say that it made 31 00:02:38.719 --> 00:02:43.520 me sick. Oh no, not, or if there would be shaky cam 32 00:02:43.800 --> 00:02:50.800 there was shaky cam. So the gore, I can handle the guy getting 33 00:02:50.800 --> 00:02:54.080 sucked into a plane engine a okay, yeah, jungle no, no, 34 00:02:54.319 --> 00:03:00.879 exactly, running through the jungle turbulence. It's rough, so I'm going to 35 00:03:01.000 --> 00:03:06.080 stick with it. I did have to, you know, avert my eyes 36 00:03:06.199 --> 00:03:12.680 for some of it, but I'm hoping that after this initial bit it gets 37 00:03:12.759 --> 00:03:16.439 better. Question, there's a fair amount of running around for a lot of 38 00:03:16.479 --> 00:03:22.159 it, Okay, so we'll see, We'll get through the pilot. I 39 00:03:22.159 --> 00:03:24.800 mean, as it goes along, there are more and more flashbacks, and 40 00:03:24.840 --> 00:03:31.000 the flashbacks are not that way right, but I mean in a jungle with 41 00:03:31.159 --> 00:03:36.560 some unidentified monster. Yeah, you're always gonna have certain amounts of panicked running. 42 00:03:36.560 --> 00:03:38.039 But I think you could close your eyes during it, probably with no 43 00:03:38.719 --> 00:03:42.840 ill effect. So yeah, I was thinking about that. I was wondering 44 00:03:42.800 --> 00:03:46.879 if it's gonna be a problem. Yeah, I might try into your general 45 00:03:46.919 --> 00:03:53.360 distress, right exactly. I may try like watching it on my phone or 46 00:03:53.360 --> 00:03:58.439 something and maybe maybe like a small screen will it will be better for me. 47 00:03:59.080 --> 00:04:02.520 So, but you know, I've been curious about it for so long. 48 00:04:02.639 --> 00:04:08.000 I didn't watch it at the time. I had very small children, 49 00:04:09.400 --> 00:04:13.599 but I knew people were talking about it, and it's also it was one 50 00:04:13.639 --> 00:04:15.160 of those things where like I felt, you know, you have to start 51 00:04:15.160 --> 00:04:18.000 at the beginning, and if you don't, yes, you know, you'll 52 00:04:18.040 --> 00:04:21.720 never ever. I mean, as it is, you barely know what's going 53 00:04:21.720 --> 00:04:28.680 on, right, So yeah, it's a while before you know what's going 54 00:04:28.720 --> 00:04:30.920 on, possibly the entire time. Right, it's gone, right, but 55 00:04:32.079 --> 00:04:36.879 tuned it in the middle, you would be in a like a mediocre episode 56 00:04:36.920 --> 00:04:42.199 that would not make you excited about it. So right, I do watching 57 00:04:42.199 --> 00:04:46.959 it again now, I do kind of love the way it just man, 58 00:04:46.040 --> 00:04:55.319 it just starts. Hang on, We're going there's a lot in that first 59 00:04:55.360 --> 00:05:00.920 episode, Yes, a lot of WTF going on. And there are a 60 00:05:00.959 --> 00:05:03.000 lot of characters in this thing, and we didn't even meet all of them 61 00:05:03.160 --> 00:05:06.800 or put a name on all of them. In this I think we got 62 00:05:06.839 --> 00:05:12.439 like about ten seconds of Sawyer lighting a cigarette or something, okay, and 63 00:05:12.480 --> 00:05:15.680 he turns out to be a very pivotal character. Sayid, I think just 64 00:05:15.720 --> 00:05:20.560 moved a heavy object. Right, So jin AND's son, we're talking in 65 00:05:20.639 --> 00:05:26.600 Korean, so you wonder what's going to go on with that. So it's 66 00:05:26.680 --> 00:05:32.360 like these people and there's the man and the young boy yes, and then 67 00:05:32.399 --> 00:05:39.600 there's the Terry O'Quinn just kind of walking around looking mysterious and put the orange 68 00:05:39.639 --> 00:05:49.079 with an orange feeling. Okay, way to creep everyone out. But just 69 00:05:49.240 --> 00:05:55.839 the sort of visceral chaos of that scene the beach with not I mean, 70 00:05:55.959 --> 00:05:59.759 you've you've the worst possible thing in the world has happened. You've crashed landed 71 00:05:59.759 --> 00:06:02.560 into an island, and then the wreckage just keeps attacking you, right, 72 00:06:03.600 --> 00:06:09.600 it can't even just stop. There's fuel sprang around, there's large pieces falling 73 00:06:09.639 --> 00:06:12.800 on people. There's like I said, I have to look away. I 74 00:06:12.879 --> 00:06:16.439 know that guy getting sected to the engine is coming up, and it's like 75 00:06:16.480 --> 00:06:20.959 it's still maybe we should move down the beach a little bit, right, 76 00:06:23.959 --> 00:06:30.639 we could get away from this. This just just horrible hulk of hey doom 77 00:06:30.959 --> 00:06:35.079 doom. Yeah, yeah, I love the I was noticing, particularly the 78 00:06:35.120 --> 00:06:42.079 camera angles this time in that you know, you have Jack running to the 79 00:06:42.079 --> 00:06:45.839 beach and he looks one way and it's just nothing but peaceful sand and waves, 80 00:06:46.199 --> 00:06:47.759 and you see that from his point of view, and then he turns 81 00:06:47.800 --> 00:06:51.079 the other way and you see him so you don't see what he's seeing. 82 00:06:51.160 --> 00:06:55.279 You start to hear screams, but you don't see it for a little while, 83 00:06:55.399 --> 00:06:59.120 until then all of a sudden they flip and it's just hell yeah. 84 00:06:59.160 --> 00:07:03.720 And then they do it again a couple of times I know with well they 85 00:07:03.759 --> 00:07:11.560 do it with the when the pilot is yes, like has the pilot reflected 86 00:07:11.560 --> 00:07:14.720 in the water before you see him actually in the tree, And I think 87 00:07:14.759 --> 00:07:17.160 the same thing with the cockpit. They're running and they they when they find 88 00:07:17.199 --> 00:07:20.800 it. You see their faces before you see I believe at that point I 89 00:07:20.839 --> 00:07:29.800 had my okay through the jungle to get there. Yes, you did have 90 00:07:30.040 --> 00:07:35.160 have Kate and Charlie chatting about his mediocre pop career away. Yes, I 91 00:07:35.199 --> 00:07:40.319 did. I did watch that. That part was I was like, this 92 00:07:40.360 --> 00:07:45.519 is from an entirely another show. What is this, Let's have that before 93 00:07:45.560 --> 00:07:50.319 we have the climbing up into the cockpit at an angle. Mm hmm. 94 00:07:50.879 --> 00:07:57.720 I a lot of sets which I didn't understand, like if the plane wouldn't 95 00:07:57.720 --> 00:08:01.279 it be nosed down? I don't know. Maybe it did go nose down 96 00:08:01.279 --> 00:08:07.800 and then flop. Yeah, I'm not sure. I mean I said the 97 00:08:07.839 --> 00:08:09.920 same thing to my husband because he watched it. We watched it together, 98 00:08:11.000 --> 00:08:15.920 and I think the nose, the front of the planet came off, and 99 00:08:16.000 --> 00:08:20.560 so then at that point it could land probably in any way. Yeah, 100 00:08:20.839 --> 00:08:24.160 yeah, it was no longer nose first at that point it was a falling 101 00:08:24.199 --> 00:08:28.600 piece of metal. Yeah. Yeah. The first first parenting advice to be 102 00:08:28.639 --> 00:08:33.440 gleaned from this episode is do not ever let your child watch it because you 103 00:08:33.480 --> 00:08:39.480 will never get them on an airplane. We never mind the wreckage, the 104 00:08:39.559 --> 00:08:43.080 flashback to the turbulence and people flying around the cabin and all that. No, 105 00:08:43.080 --> 00:08:48.240 no, thank you, I must stay here, right, I personally 106 00:08:48.240 --> 00:08:52.039 have no more intention to fly. So it's okay, but that is pretty 107 00:08:52.240 --> 00:09:01.960 the yeah, terrifying. Well, it's interesting that, you know, Jack 108 00:09:01.159 --> 00:09:09.559 is the pob character at least right now, and he's very parental as a 109 00:09:09.720 --> 00:09:16.559 doctor. You know, he's telling everyone what to do, and it's interesting 110 00:09:16.720 --> 00:09:24.960 that you know that is such a position of respect and yeah and power. 111 00:09:24.080 --> 00:09:26.360 You know, as soon as somebody finds out you're a doctor's like, okay, 112 00:09:26.360 --> 00:09:33.039 well he's gonna he's gonna fix everything. You know, he's gonna deal 113 00:09:33.120 --> 00:09:39.519 with this guy's torn off leg and this pregnant woman and this lady who's not 114 00:09:39.600 --> 00:09:45.480 breathing and this, you know lifeguard who's terrible at his job, like he's 115 00:09:45.639 --> 00:09:52.799 just gonna he's very good at gathering pans, right, and at some point 116 00:09:52.840 --> 00:09:56.360 he's counted how many people and how many hours it's been, you know, 117 00:09:56.519 --> 00:10:01.720 he's gathered information which we didn't even see him doing. Yes, yes, 118 00:10:01.000 --> 00:10:05.960 he's quite impressive. And sometimes it's because you're a doctor, and sometimes it's 119 00:10:05.960 --> 00:10:11.399 just because you're the guy who comes in there and and takes charge of people 120 00:10:11.399 --> 00:10:18.159 who are just going we're just wandering around in a stupor. Yeah, yeah, 121 00:10:18.720 --> 00:10:24.639 in hellish chaos. Yeah, but uh, it's just like tapping her 122 00:10:24.720 --> 00:10:28.320 sew up his side, Oh my god. Oh yeah, it's okay, 123 00:10:28.360 --> 00:10:33.919 I'll put vodka on it. Right, have you ever sewed? I made 124 00:10:33.000 --> 00:10:39.720 curtains, like, but he's a sewing machine. Right, that's fine, 125 00:10:39.919 --> 00:10:43.039 you can do it. But I guess it tells us something about her too, 126 00:10:43.120 --> 00:10:52.720 that she says, okay, right, if you say so out Yeah, 127 00:10:52.960 --> 00:10:56.039 yeah, you know, shaky cam there, but you got to look 128 00:10:56.080 --> 00:11:00.120 away. Yeah. Well then they didn't really show that much of it. 129 00:11:00.159 --> 00:11:05.159 It's just the thought of it. Yeah. They mostly showed him him wincing, 130 00:11:05.440 --> 00:11:13.919 right, Yeah, oh well that that complete focus and control during chaos. 131 00:11:13.720 --> 00:11:16.519 Whether it's because you're a doctor, whether it's because you're a control freak, 132 00:11:16.559 --> 00:11:20.080 I don't know, but it does feel very parenting, as you said, 133 00:11:20.639 --> 00:11:24.960 like you are the one called upon to figure it out for everybody else 134 00:11:26.519 --> 00:11:30.840 and they are all looking to you, and you cannot panic. You have 135 00:11:30.919 --> 00:11:35.000 to be like, oh, this is fine, you know. And there 136 00:11:35.000 --> 00:11:37.279 are sometimes when you can do it and it's such a rush when you come 137 00:11:37.320 --> 00:11:39.799 into a situation you're like, okay, you do this, you do that, 138 00:11:41.120 --> 00:11:45.840 where it's like you feel like superhuman. And then there are other times 139 00:11:45.919 --> 00:11:52.799 when there's a monster, a force of anarchy that you cannot see. I 140 00:11:52.879 --> 00:11:56.480 can't say. Yes you can do is dive into some bushes, right like 141 00:11:58.159 --> 00:12:07.279 you are on your own. Oh I have you know. There are days 142 00:12:07.279 --> 00:12:11.759 and there are days right, we'll have those days when when we can make 143 00:12:11.799 --> 00:12:20.279 everything okay. But I E I liked the thing he said about I mean, 144 00:12:20.360 --> 00:12:26.519 it's it's scripted bs because human brains don't work this way. But still 145 00:12:26.559 --> 00:12:31.720 I like the idea of count to five. Let the fear, you know, 146 00:12:31.799 --> 00:12:33.440 be afraid for five seconds, and then do what you need to do. 147 00:12:35.279 --> 00:12:39.960 I do always liked with my kids. The counting, So there is 148 00:12:39.000 --> 00:12:43.919 something comforting about that, right, you know, count ten and then you 149 00:12:43.960 --> 00:12:48.039 need to make a transition instead of just immediately saying we'll just just get out 150 00:12:48.039 --> 00:12:52.559 of what you were that and then do this. Yeah, so that is 151 00:12:52.559 --> 00:12:58.679 interesting. It is more a psychological detail of Jack than it is a realistic 152 00:12:58.720 --> 00:13:05.519 thing to pick up. Yeah, when you'll have somebody's spinal fluid just pouring 153 00:13:05.600 --> 00:13:07.600 all over the place. Five and then I sewed her up and then I 154 00:13:07.639 --> 00:13:18.440 fixed it. Oh Jack, But uh yeah, but counting counting in some 155 00:13:18.559 --> 00:13:24.600 form I do recommend as a counting tactic, whether you're counting to yourself to 156 00:13:24.600 --> 00:13:26.799 get over that feeling of anger, or you're counting to your kid to help 157 00:13:26.840 --> 00:13:31.000 them through a transition. You know, there was a there's like one, 158 00:13:31.039 --> 00:13:35.039 two, three Magic was a big thing when my kids. Yeah, did 159 00:13:35.039 --> 00:13:37.480 you have that book? And three? Never did it? But if I 160 00:13:37.519 --> 00:13:43.519 counted to ten, my son could transition. And I'm like, whatever it 161 00:13:43.600 --> 00:13:46.000 takes, give them the extra seven seconds. Where are you going? You 162 00:13:46.000 --> 00:13:50.720 know, right, nothing that important. If it works, it's like, 163 00:13:50.759 --> 00:13:52.919 well, if it's not, you don't snap two and three, we're gonna 164 00:13:52.919 --> 00:13:56.039 have a whole thing. Yeah, I'll give them ten, right, And 165 00:13:56.120 --> 00:14:00.120 also, if you're gonna make that threat, boy, you better be ready 166 00:14:01.320 --> 00:14:07.360 follow through. Yeah. Yeah, it was a time out chair, which 167 00:14:07.440 --> 00:14:11.240 is sort of like sort of like what the count is and in a gentleman 168 00:14:11.240 --> 00:14:16.320 in Moscow. But it's a very endless one anyway. So other than the 169 00:14:16.360 --> 00:14:24.639 shaky cam, this was this is kind of scary fun. I know some 170 00:14:24.720 --> 00:14:28.399 of the things that are coming up right for the different characters, but it 171 00:14:28.480 --> 00:14:33.200 was sort of fun to see them just shorthand introduced in this and go oh 172 00:14:33.279 --> 00:14:39.480 yeah that guy right, yeah, oh, she was here at the beginning. 173 00:14:39.519 --> 00:14:43.240 I don't remember she was here at the beginning. If she wasn't there 174 00:14:43.240 --> 00:14:46.840 at the beginning, how would she get there? Yes, there's also a 175 00:14:46.960 --> 00:14:54.919 very nice dog who looks like he's been freshly groomed running around the island. 176 00:14:56.399 --> 00:15:01.320 Yes, looking at Jack. Are we meant to think that the dog was 177 00:15:01.200 --> 00:15:07.279 on the island already or we just I tell you right, that would be 178 00:15:07.279 --> 00:15:11.360 a spoiler. Pretty sure, next episode we find out about the dog. 179 00:15:11.639 --> 00:15:18.279 Okay, the dog has been mentioned, but it's a good looking dog. 180 00:15:18.679 --> 00:15:24.600 Yes, all right, I will I will hold hold your dog thoughts. 181 00:15:24.759 --> 00:15:31.200 Yes, okay, the sewing kit surgery made me think of how I always 182 00:15:31.240 --> 00:15:33.879 used to have alcohol swabs and band aids in my purse at all times from 183 00:15:33.879 --> 00:15:37.279 when my son picked his skin open. It's good to be prepared, right, 184 00:15:37.559 --> 00:15:39.399 never occurred to me to have a sewing kit. And okay, so 185 00:15:39.399 --> 00:15:43.840 it was a big cut and I needed to you know, do you think 186 00:15:43.720 --> 00:15:50.200 a needle from a travel sewing kit could actually pierce skin? I'm not sure 187 00:15:50.200 --> 00:15:54.440 it even peers fabric? Yeah, but and would you have enough thread for 188 00:15:54.559 --> 00:16:00.840 that? That cut was like six inches long and the two of them weren't 189 00:16:00.879 --> 00:16:07.200 there. It was a nasty injury. Yeah, And would fuck actually keep 190 00:16:07.240 --> 00:16:11.159 you from screaming? I don't know if you drink? Well, he just 191 00:16:11.200 --> 00:16:18.559 counted to five and then did Yeah. We're gonna learn more about that, 192 00:16:18.600 --> 00:16:26.240 fella. But we will be getting the second half of the pilot next week, 193 00:16:26.480 --> 00:16:30.600 which of the of the pilot episodes. 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