WEBVTT 1 00:00:03.279 --> 00:00:08.000 Streaming live on the iHeartRadio WAPP. This is I on the Ball with Steve 2 00:00:08.080 --> 00:00:13.960 Robera and Jay Gonzalez on Fox Sports fourteen fifty. Hey, welcome back to 3 00:00:14.000 --> 00:00:16.960 Winning the Ball here on Fox Sports fourteen fifty. I'm Steve, You're Sammy, 4 00:00:17.039 --> 00:00:20.399 and I hope you have breaking news. This is an Eye on the 5 00:00:20.480 --> 00:00:26.600 Ball breaking news. You have some breaking news. You have a dB or 6 00:00:26.679 --> 00:00:31.440 now you have a dB TA. Carrio Davis is back. He entered the 7 00:00:31.440 --> 00:00:37.159 transfer portal, a lot of speculation about maybe him following coach Fish Washington with 8 00:00:37.240 --> 00:00:41.640 a couple other guys, but nonetheless he's back. And now he's the fourth 9 00:00:41.719 --> 00:00:48.240 starter back in the in the secondary with Maldonado and two other guys. So 10 00:00:48.880 --> 00:00:52.920 the secondary is strong, breaking better look strong, so the defense will be 11 00:00:52.920 --> 00:00:56.359 good. Great, great gift. I mean, we're at a time where 12 00:00:56.640 --> 00:01:00.439 coaches have to re recruit their players. It's it's not not sure that Nil 13 00:01:00.520 --> 00:01:04.519 had something to do with it. Isn't that the funny thing that someone gets 14 00:01:04.560 --> 00:01:08.079 somebody from somewhere else and you say, well, you got getting paid more 15 00:01:08.079 --> 00:01:11.599 money. Yeah, and now you got to pay money to keep them. 16 00:01:11.680 --> 00:01:15.319 Yeah. God forbid the culture. The coach the other players have something to 17 00:01:15.359 --> 00:01:19.000 do with it. It's well you listen to Tom Tom talking about the nil 18 00:01:19.159 --> 00:01:23.760 Well collective, right, Okay, So Sammy, Sammy, you're about twenty 19 00:01:23.799 --> 00:01:29.400 four ish. The thirty year old Sammy has a love for this university and 20 00:01:29.480 --> 00:01:33.560 sports. I'm getting you're getting a call right now from one of the boosters. 21 00:01:33.680 --> 00:01:36.640 Hey, Sammy, how are you? And I know that you graduated 22 00:01:36.640 --> 00:01:38.840 in twenty twenty four. I see you're doing well. I see your name 23 00:01:38.879 --> 00:01:42.200 out there on bubbah. Could you help us out? We're trying to keep 24 00:01:42.519 --> 00:01:48.799 our players happy. That's a it's an interesting phone call. I think I 25 00:01:48.840 --> 00:01:53.400 would hope by the time I have enough money to donate back to you. 26 00:01:53.480 --> 00:02:00.239 Of A, there's some maybe restriction is the wrong word, but more see 27 00:02:00.280 --> 00:02:04.560 how rails to get that not only I've come to understand a little bit more, 28 00:02:04.599 --> 00:02:07.599 but the players, the universities. But if it if it's still the 29 00:02:07.680 --> 00:02:10.560 same, say I were, say I were able to donate today, it 30 00:02:10.560 --> 00:02:15.560 would be really hard for me to a know where my money's gonna go. 31 00:02:15.919 --> 00:02:17.439 Hmm. I think that's a number one thing. Yeah, because at the 32 00:02:17.520 --> 00:02:21.680 end of the day, sure like I want nothing more to see the U 33 00:02:21.719 --> 00:02:28.280 of a athletics be successful. As someone that hasn't seen the national championship here 34 00:02:28.280 --> 00:02:31.400 in his time here, and as an alum will still be indebted to watching 35 00:02:31.879 --> 00:02:36.599 basketball games, football games, baseball whatever. I would love to be able 36 00:02:36.599 --> 00:02:39.360 to support that in any way, but it's hard to. If the phone 37 00:02:39.360 --> 00:02:46.199 call is hey, mister Sebolka, we'd love to have you enter our pool 38 00:02:46.199 --> 00:02:49.759 of name, image and likeness money. And then if if my question next 39 00:02:49.840 --> 00:02:53.319 question is okay, well where's this going to? And if the answer is, 40 00:02:53.360 --> 00:02:58.280 oh, well, we're diving it among diving it among players, and 41 00:02:58.400 --> 00:03:00.560 that's not the answer that you you want to look, what's the answer. 42 00:03:00.960 --> 00:03:06.360 I mean it would depend. I think as someone that is extremely passionate and 43 00:03:06.439 --> 00:03:10.039 basketball is his favorite sport and that really enjoys golf, and hopefully I have 44 00:03:10.080 --> 00:03:15.319 a successful enough career, I think putting it to places where you're passionate about 45 00:03:15.319 --> 00:03:19.479 it is important. Well, you'd have that good basketball collective that would call 46 00:03:19.520 --> 00:03:21.879 you, yeah, okay, put it there. You know, the thing 47 00:03:21.879 --> 00:03:23.680 about it is how we talk about with Jay all the time. You have 48 00:03:23.759 --> 00:03:28.840 the university that wants money, You get this U athletic departner that needs money, 49 00:03:29.639 --> 00:03:31.479 or both of these do. And then you have the NIL. Football, 50 00:03:31.560 --> 00:03:36.960 basketball, softball, women's basketball. All need money, right, And 51 00:03:37.319 --> 00:03:43.879 that's that's a five finger add right there where everybody needs money. It's I 52 00:03:44.000 --> 00:03:47.240 just actually want part of my One of my finals was a was a thesis 53 00:03:47.280 --> 00:03:52.479 about a topic kind of your choosing, and I decided to write about NIL 54 00:03:52.759 --> 00:03:57.039 and it's it's legality of it all, and so kind of like who'd you 55 00:03:57.039 --> 00:04:00.599 talk to? H it was it's a research paper. So a lot of 56 00:04:00.039 --> 00:04:06.520 Supreme Court cases in terms of publicity, privacy and like misappropriation and in a 57 00:04:06.560 --> 00:04:11.879 world where there's so much there's so much media, and especially now with the 58 00:04:12.000 --> 00:04:15.720 NIL of Okay, if if I'm Caleb Williams and I post something on Instagram, 59 00:04:15.759 --> 00:04:20.879 can my can my boosters use that? Or if I'm sponsored by like 60 00:04:20.959 --> 00:04:25.519 raising Canes, can can they go post that? So it's it's a really 61 00:04:25.560 --> 00:04:30.519 interesting proprietary right and it really raised kind of a question of and we can 62 00:04:30.560 --> 00:04:34.759 talk about it here but and maybe there's already an answer. But I know 63 00:04:35.040 --> 00:04:41.959 for the NFL, NBA, they the media rights, so like ABC, 64 00:04:42.079 --> 00:04:48.959 NBC players get some money from that the media rights. Do do college athletes 65 00:04:49.000 --> 00:04:55.680 get some of the media rights if if they're gonna they're gonna broadcast their game 66 00:04:55.720 --> 00:05:00.319 on ESPN, does that media rights money go strictly to each school or what 67 00:05:00.319 --> 00:05:02.040 does that look like? So what did you come up with? You're done 68 00:05:02.040 --> 00:05:06.399 with your paper? So did you get I mean I got an A. 69 00:05:06.920 --> 00:05:10.680 But I mean that's just from the research. That's just from the research. 70 00:05:11.879 --> 00:05:16.079 I mean A. The main conclusion that I was able to was able to 71 00:05:16.079 --> 00:05:20.480 come up with that it truly is the wild West of I would love to 72 00:05:20.480 --> 00:05:26.680 see words fifteen pages. I could have told you that in two paragraphs. 73 00:05:26.680 --> 00:05:29.560 No, no, no doubt. But it's it's how we got there. 74 00:05:29.560 --> 00:05:33.560 It's how you get there which is important. But I did my presentation on 75 00:05:33.600 --> 00:05:39.439 it. It's like I would love to say, in five years, this 76 00:05:39.480 --> 00:05:44.040 could change, but right now there's no indication that it's going. I think 77 00:05:44.079 --> 00:05:46.680 that's the number one thing people have. If I give the money, who 78 00:05:46.759 --> 00:05:49.040 is it going to? And who is it going to? And that's normal, 79 00:05:49.360 --> 00:05:51.480 that's all you want to that's fair. But that's when you do your 80 00:05:51.519 --> 00:05:57.240 due diligence in you right, Sure, Okay, let's move on. We'll 81 00:05:57.279 --> 00:06:00.720 move on to the NBA. There's some great games last night. Well did 82 00:06:00.759 --> 00:06:05.279 you No, let's talk about your neck of the woods right here, Well, 83 00:06:05.439 --> 00:06:11.199 saw isvog gonna be fire? There's no, there's no official reports about 84 00:06:11.240 --> 00:06:16.879 that. Personally, I think he'll be back, because how can he be 85 00:06:16.959 --> 00:06:23.319 back? The only reason I think he'll be We're there, No, you're 86 00:06:23.360 --> 00:06:26.160 good. I think the only reason that I think he'll be back is when 87 00:06:26.160 --> 00:06:30.959 you look at the histories of quote, super teams or stars coming together more 88 00:06:31.000 --> 00:06:36.000 often than not, the success rate in year one is in terms of winning 89 00:06:36.000 --> 00:06:41.160 a championship is very little. You have the when Durant went and joined the 90 00:06:41.199 --> 00:06:46.319 Warriors, they won championship. But other than that, like the Lebron d 91 00:06:46.439 --> 00:06:50.360 Wade Bosh heat team, did they get to the finals? They lost. 92 00:06:50.399 --> 00:06:56.040 They lost in the finals, but granted it's levels here the Suns lost in 93 00:06:56.199 --> 00:07:00.000 the first round of the playoffs, but nonetheless it's I think year two is 94 00:07:00.000 --> 00:07:03.360 is the year where God, I don't think they can go to another year 95 00:07:03.360 --> 00:07:08.639 of this because because their impression of the coach, the big three, the 96 00:07:08.680 --> 00:07:12.240 egos and all that, they don't think he's capable of leading him to the 97 00:07:12.319 --> 00:07:15.639 to the finals. Well that's not I mean, I mean, you listen 98 00:07:15.680 --> 00:07:19.079 to Bradley Beal talk about it. He gives his praises to Vogel. I 99 00:07:19.079 --> 00:07:24.920 think the only report that came out was that Durant was somewhat unhappy in his 100 00:07:25.399 --> 00:07:30.199 offensive role under coach Frank bog That's the only one that I've seen. Okay. 101 00:07:30.600 --> 00:07:32.839 I saw something this morning that it's likely that they're gonna let him go. 102 00:07:33.120 --> 00:07:36.040 Okay, See, I saw, I saw that they were thinking about 103 00:07:36.079 --> 00:07:41.920 it, but nothing has been But then my question is as a Suns fan, 104 00:07:42.079 --> 00:07:44.959 like who are you gonna hire? Well, that's the whole thing, 105 00:07:44.959 --> 00:07:46.759 that's always the question. It's like here, here's the problem with the NBA. 106 00:07:46.800 --> 00:07:50.399 It's incestuous. You gotta get fired one place. You're in your head, 107 00:07:50.399 --> 00:07:54.319 candidate for the death place, and you know it's a place where you 108 00:07:54.319 --> 00:07:58.519 get fired to go somewhere else. And and what level do you level off 109 00:07:58.560 --> 00:08:01.759 at? Sure? I saw uh. I could see Mike Budenholzer, Uh, 110 00:08:03.120 --> 00:08:05.959 the ex coach of the Bucks, and he's he's got Arizona connections. 111 00:08:07.040 --> 00:08:11.120 Yeah, well he he was the coach that beat us in the finals when 112 00:08:11.120 --> 00:08:13.920 the Bucks won it, So that'd be an interesting dynamic. But I don't 113 00:08:13.959 --> 00:08:18.879 know. I think the team's gonna run it back. There's not gonna be 114 00:08:18.279 --> 00:08:22.959 unless we fire coach Vogel. There's not a lot of significant changes that can 115 00:08:24.000 --> 00:08:28.399 really happen. And so I think the biggest takeaway from what's gonna happen moving 116 00:08:28.399 --> 00:08:33.960 forward is just hope that this team can build a chemistry that by by next 117 00:08:35.039 --> 00:08:37.480 year it can be it can be a well OED's tough. And I say 118 00:08:37.480 --> 00:08:41.720 this because, uh, there was no chemistry now. Uh. And then 119 00:08:41.879 --> 00:08:45.840 their bench with with even with the big guys, their bench was horrible, 120 00:08:46.159 --> 00:08:50.240 right, Uh, maybe not horrible, but just about horrible. And once 121 00:08:50.279 --> 00:08:54.639 you and I know I used marriage analogies, once you got to go to 122 00:08:54.679 --> 00:08:58.360 the to the counselor's office to go see counseling, it's over. By that 123 00:08:58.480 --> 00:09:01.480 time, I don't know anybody who's going to CalCon and it is successful. 124 00:09:01.879 --> 00:09:09.720 I don't know anybody. Yeah, to be fair, I think everyone. 125 00:09:09.399 --> 00:09:13.279 I mean, it's mainstream media, that's what they have to talk about after 126 00:09:13.639 --> 00:09:18.440 a team like this gets swept. But it's also as a fan that is 127 00:09:18.600 --> 00:09:22.600 very indebted to that team taking a step back and a realizing, Okay, 128 00:09:24.480 --> 00:09:30.039 Durant, Booker and Beale, this team's going to be successful one way or 129 00:09:30.039 --> 00:09:37.519 another. It's going to quote contend Beial Durant Booker played less than half the 130 00:09:37.519 --> 00:09:41.759 season together this year, and we looked good going into the playoffs. We 131 00:09:41.840 --> 00:09:45.720 ran into a bus side which is Anthony Edwards, Rudy Gobert and Cat. 132 00:09:45.720 --> 00:09:48.600 And don't get me wrong, we were not the better team. But I 133 00:09:48.960 --> 00:09:54.879 do think there just needs to be some form of continuity with the franchise, 134 00:09:54.960 --> 00:09:58.679 and I don't think that's I don't think that starts with firing Frank Vogel, 135 00:09:58.879 --> 00:10:03.879 even though I do would love to see some some changes in terms of the 136 00:10:03.919 --> 00:10:05.799 way we run our offense and the way we were in our team, But 137 00:10:07.480 --> 00:10:13.720 to fire the man that runs the ship isn't a good start in terms of 138 00:10:13.919 --> 00:10:18.159 building that continuity. It's funny because I saw that this morning in terms of 139 00:10:18.279 --> 00:10:20.559 there was the that was their leaning to doing that. I don't see that 140 00:10:20.600 --> 00:10:24.799 anymore. Yeah, which is, you know, kind of strange, sure, 141 00:10:24.879 --> 00:10:28.200 but yeah, the Suns, the Sun's discussions, it's still it's still 142 00:10:28.200 --> 00:10:33.600 a little still a little tender. But the Nicks and seventy six ers are 143 00:10:33.600 --> 00:10:35.840 going to a game six. I don't know if you saw that, Tyrese 144 00:10:35.879 --> 00:10:39.519 MAXI had yeah, seven points in seventeen seconds last night. I didn't see 145 00:10:39.559 --> 00:10:43.039 the game. I heard about it. Fantastic. It was giving very Reggie 146 00:10:43.080 --> 00:10:48.679 Miller in the garden vibes when he had his oh man thirteen points in thirty 147 00:10:48.720 --> 00:10:52.720 seconds. I think, mm hmm. So anyway, that's going back to 148 00:10:52.759 --> 00:10:56.559 Philly for Game six. The Bucks forced the Game six with Giannis and Damian 149 00:10:56.600 --> 00:11:03.679 Lillard both sidelined for injury. Patrick Beverly, Bobby Portis, Chris Middleton stepped 150 00:11:03.759 --> 00:11:07.919 up and there's again rumors Giannis might be healthy for a Game six, which 151 00:11:07.000 --> 00:11:11.960 could change a lot of different things. Evan Mobley and the Calves survived last 152 00:11:13.039 --> 00:11:18.240 night. Evan Mobley a game saving block on Franz Wagner. They won by 153 00:11:18.279 --> 00:11:22.600 one. The Celtics will probably close out the Heat tonight and they'll win that 154 00:11:22.679 --> 00:11:26.639 series for one if they can take care of business. And the one of 155 00:11:26.639 --> 00:11:31.240 the best series is the MAVs and the Clippers. They play Game five tonight 156 00:11:31.399 --> 00:11:37.120 in La assuming for the Clippers no Kawhi Leonard, so it will again be 157 00:11:37.559 --> 00:11:43.039 the Paul George and James Harden Show. And then the last thing that I 158 00:11:43.039 --> 00:11:46.840 have we already touched on the b game. The last thing, and we 159 00:11:46.840 --> 00:11:50.240 were talking about it before the show, is the Kentucky Derbys this weekend. 160 00:11:50.399 --> 00:11:52.480 Right, this is my last time to talk to you about it. And 161 00:11:52.519 --> 00:11:56.600 I know you have some horse background or you enjoy it, and I think 162 00:11:56.600 --> 00:11:58.919 people know if I enjoy it a lot. I haven't looked at it yet, 163 00:12:00.120 --> 00:12:03.519 but I told you who I leaning towards. You're leaning Sierra Leon the 164 00:12:03.519 --> 00:12:09.799 second choice, second choice only because I heard his name and looked at him 165 00:12:09.000 --> 00:12:13.600 a few months back. Okay, and he's not the point leader in terms 166 00:12:13.600 --> 00:12:16.799 of that, but your guy, I don't. I don't have a guy 167 00:12:16.879 --> 00:12:22.120 right now. But in listening to some stuff today, his name is Fierceness 168 00:12:22.399 --> 00:12:28.200 with John Velasquez and Todd Pletcher is the the owner there. He's the odds 169 00:12:28.360 --> 00:12:33.440 on favor him and Bafford No Bafford horses for the third straight year. I 170 00:12:33.440 --> 00:12:37.120 was looking at he has some horses too. He has some he just can't 171 00:12:37.159 --> 00:12:41.519 put. Some guys want to tell you. One of the owners sued I'm 172 00:12:41.559 --> 00:12:43.080 trying to sue Churchill and it didn't work. Yeah, no it didn't. 173 00:12:43.080 --> 00:12:48.240 But uh, we were talking about it earlier, and from everything that I've 174 00:12:48.279 --> 00:12:54.039 heard is that if the if Fierceness runs his best race, assume every horse 175 00:12:54.080 --> 00:12:58.879 in this race runs its best race. Fierceness wins by eight for long So, 176 00:12:58.080 --> 00:13:03.320 wow, look at you. I'm not gonna bet him. I I 177 00:13:03.440 --> 00:13:05.879 don't think I'm going to. I think I'm gonna bet him straight up. 178 00:13:07.159 --> 00:13:13.039 But I'm not going to include him in the exact as really because this is 179 00:13:13.200 --> 00:13:16.159 this is my thinking of if he wins, if he runs the Great Race, 180 00:13:16.440 --> 00:13:18.519 I think he runs away with it. But oh, if he's not 181 00:13:18.559 --> 00:13:22.399 winning it, he's not winning. If he's not if he's not winning it, 182 00:13:22.480 --> 00:13:24.720 he might finish. Okay, Okay, that makes sense. That's that's 183 00:13:24.799 --> 00:13:28.720 where I'm at. That's where my head's at right now. The other horse 184 00:13:28.759 --> 00:13:35.919 I do really like is Catching Freedom with Flabby and Pratt Brad Coxey owner eight 185 00:13:35.960 --> 00:13:39.200 to one. Right now, those might go up and we we might see 186 00:13:39.200 --> 00:13:45.279 some rain. And if that's the case, Mystic Dan runs really well in 187 00:13:45.320 --> 00:13:48.519 the rain. And those are the four horses that will bore you with right 188 00:13:48.559 --> 00:13:54.039 now. But Steve's on right now, I'm on, and we have a 189 00:13:54.039 --> 00:13:58.320 minute left. He is a he's a closer. He is the Trevor Hoffman 190 00:14:00.200 --> 00:14:03.799 right there, which means that he needs a pace to get at first of 191 00:14:03.840 --> 00:14:07.120 all, and he needs to be in in uh in good, in a 192 00:14:07.120 --> 00:14:11.679 good area outside outside of the of the traffic takes to mow him down, 193 00:14:11.759 --> 00:14:15.440 right, and he needs a good break is what they call it. A 194 00:14:15.440 --> 00:14:18.320 lot of these horses, that's what the well, your horse needs a good 195 00:14:18.320 --> 00:14:20.120 break to my horse doesn't need. Yeah. So, and it's so seventeen 196 00:14:20.159 --> 00:14:24.919 eighteen horses, I guess, But I guess there a couple of scratched moved 197 00:14:24.919 --> 00:14:28.960 in another way scratch. So we'll see if they hold, if they have 198 00:14:28.039 --> 00:14:31.399 some more mud they could more could be scratched. I love it. It's 199 00:14:31.519 --> 00:14:35.720 the the race for the roses, right, two minutes, two minutes of 200 00:14:35.720 --> 00:14:39.440 fun. It's the first time I'll be in this town to to bet it. 201 00:14:39.519 --> 00:14:43.080 I'd go usually go to Miamire in Vegas. So I'm here in town. 202 00:14:43.240 --> 00:14:46.240 You be No, that's my buck, that's my last. It's but 203 00:14:46.399 --> 00:14:50.120 that and the breeders. I've been to the breeders. Oh yeah, I 204 00:14:50.200 --> 00:14:54.360 hate you. Maybe D will get me. We might have D tomorrow. 205 00:14:54.639 --> 00:15:00.440 She she's handed camping horses now for for u Fandley doing doing self forfit. 206 00:15:00.720 --> 00:15:03.879 Yeah. We talked about it, but readers. Stephen delmar, Oh, 207 00:15:03.919 --> 00:15:07.039 I know, I got to get there. 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Let Arizona Pest Control get rid of 277 00:19:52.400 --> 00:19:56.720 your bad bugs, termites, bees, or rodents serving Tucson and Southern Arizona 278 00:19:56.759 --> 00:20:00.200 since nineteen forty seven. Go to azpest dot com to schedule your free evaluation 279 00:20:00.359 --> 00:20:07.119 today. This is I on the Ball with Steve Rivera and Jay Gonzalez on 280 00:20:07.319 --> 00:20:11.680 Fox Sports fourteen fifty. Subscribe now to the podcast on the iHeartRadio. Wow 281 00:20:12.000 --> 00:20:17.039 Just Surgery. I on the Ball. Hey, welcome back to Ian the 282 00:20:17.039 --> 00:20:21.680 Ball here on Fox Sports fourteen fifty. I'm Steve Rivera. He's Vincent Smith, 283 00:20:21.759 --> 00:20:23.279 former U of a football player back in the day. Vince, how 284 00:20:23.279 --> 00:20:26.839 are you wonderful? How you doing? We're doing fine. Thank you. 285 00:20:26.880 --> 00:20:33.640 Good to hear your voice. It's been a while absolutely likewise likewise you know, 286 00:20:33.039 --> 00:20:37.920 so I'm right right, No, I know it's been there. There 287 00:20:38.000 --> 00:20:42.920 was thirty thirty four years since well thirty years that you played here. Sorry, 288 00:20:44.200 --> 00:20:48.240 sorry, all right, I'd about that way, but you know, 289 00:20:48.279 --> 00:20:52.119 thanks, thank you for little mud. I know, because it goes by 290 00:20:52.160 --> 00:20:56.000 fast. But it's you know, does sort of age you and me at 291 00:20:56.240 --> 00:20:59.759 the same time. You you were here this weekend, you came by to 292 00:20:59.759 --> 00:21:02.599 see the guys. When you when did you come by to see the team, 293 00:21:02.720 --> 00:21:06.119 the guys, everything, everything, you know. I just wanted to 294 00:21:06.119 --> 00:21:07.359 see, you know, what was going on. I hadn't been down there, 295 00:21:07.400 --> 00:21:10.519 and uh, I hadn't seen anything. Well, I went to the 296 00:21:10.519 --> 00:21:12.640 automobile, but other than going to the bowl game, I hadn't seen I 297 00:21:12.640 --> 00:21:17.680 hadn't seen anything live and quite some time, and so I just wanted to 298 00:21:17.720 --> 00:21:19.599 get down there and see I kept missing the spring game, and you know, 299 00:21:19.599 --> 00:21:22.240 I just want to kick up with some friends. A lot of people 300 00:21:22.279 --> 00:21:23.680 maybe committed to come down. So I want to make sure you know that 301 00:21:23.799 --> 00:21:27.759 was a part of it, right, What were your impressions? You know, 302 00:21:27.799 --> 00:21:30.480 I like the energy that's going on right now. Of course, we 303 00:21:30.680 --> 00:21:34.559 you know, we had a tough transition moving from you know, one one 304 00:21:34.599 --> 00:21:38.599 regime into another one. I like the Iphroud game from the guys. I 305 00:21:38.680 --> 00:21:42.640 like the bounce around the energy of the guys. So and so you know, 306 00:21:42.680 --> 00:21:45.039 it just left me with a very good feeling about you know, what's 307 00:21:45.039 --> 00:21:48.359 got the transpire there in the future, moving forward, right right? Were 308 00:21:48.400 --> 00:21:53.480 you part of the group, the big group of former players who were in 309 00:21:53.559 --> 00:21:56.640 on the fish higher after he was hired. You know, they had a 310 00:21:56.680 --> 00:22:00.640 lot of a lot of the alumbs on Zoom and all that part of that. 311 00:22:03.119 --> 00:22:04.759 No, I wasn't. I didn't. I didn't chime in on it 312 00:22:06.720 --> 00:22:10.079 initially. I just did, you know what I did say on social media 313 00:22:10.119 --> 00:22:12.319 would pay. Give's got some some time, you know, be patient with 314 00:22:12.359 --> 00:22:15.720 it. You know, let's see what happened. You know, you know, 315 00:22:15.400 --> 00:22:18.759 we never a fan as a fan base and alone whatever as a supporter. 316 00:22:19.160 --> 00:22:22.519 You never make a slam dunk, you know, hire or did the 317 00:22:22.599 --> 00:22:26.720 slam dug on the wish list and things like that because everybody's saying something different, 318 00:22:26.079 --> 00:22:27.920 so you know, and that was my you know, my big thing 319 00:22:29.000 --> 00:22:30.240 was just you know, you know, have some patience and let's see what 320 00:22:30.240 --> 00:22:33.920 happens. And at the end it turned out pretty good, and you know, 321 00:22:33.279 --> 00:22:36.480 you know, and then moving forward, you know, some things happened 322 00:22:36.480 --> 00:22:38.119 that maybe we weren't so pleased about, but you know, here we are 323 00:22:38.160 --> 00:22:42.799 today right right, you must be at least pleased that he moved the program 324 00:22:42.880 --> 00:22:49.039 in a better direction and now Brennan has a chance to continue that. Absolutely. 325 00:22:49.119 --> 00:22:52.519 You know, as a as a coach myself, you know, I 326 00:22:52.519 --> 00:22:56.599 would love to take over a situation that you know, the coach Brendan's taking 327 00:22:56.039 --> 00:23:00.519 taking over right now as opposed to know what you know, coach Fish had 328 00:23:00.559 --> 00:23:03.519 to take over when he first came. Yeah, no question. So are 329 00:23:03.519 --> 00:23:10.039 you still coaching? Uh? Yeah, yeah I am. Where can you 330 00:23:10.079 --> 00:23:15.200 say where I'm in Inglewood right now? I'm coaching down in to the Inglewood 331 00:23:15.279 --> 00:23:17.839 and uh, you know there's been. There's been a good, good experience. 332 00:23:18.279 --> 00:23:21.759 A little fantastic because you used to coach here after you left school, 333 00:23:21.799 --> 00:23:26.200 you were at Tucson High for a while. Yes, I was great year 334 00:23:26.240 --> 00:23:30.119 that's been down there. Some great people, some lifelong relationships built down there, 335 00:23:30.400 --> 00:23:33.599 and uh, you know it was a great time. Nothing but great 336 00:23:33.599 --> 00:23:37.279 and positive things about Tucson experience. But yeah, no questions. Who were 337 00:23:37.279 --> 00:23:40.480 you most pleased to see when you got here? Uh not, you know 338 00:23:40.640 --> 00:23:45.680 just recently. You know it really everybody. You know, like I said, 339 00:23:45.720 --> 00:23:48.839 it's a lot of guys that I hadn't seen in a while. You 340 00:23:48.880 --> 00:23:49.920 know, I got to see my man, you know, Eric Jonathan, 341 00:23:51.200 --> 00:23:55.240 you got to see Brands and of course you know, got six sprints Array, 342 00:23:55.400 --> 00:23:57.200 Terry Vaughan, David Lockhart, So you know, some great guys down 343 00:23:57.240 --> 00:24:02.079 there that spent a lot of time in our you know, younger days, 344 00:24:02.480 --> 00:24:04.839 in our dog year and uh, you know, it was just great to 345 00:24:04.839 --> 00:24:08.279 see all those guys once again with their families and everybody's all grown and gray 346 00:24:08.400 --> 00:24:11.720 out, and uh, you know, it was just, you know, 347 00:24:11.920 --> 00:24:14.519 a wonderful time. And I was glad I was able to that I could 348 00:24:14.599 --> 00:24:17.880 down right and you were here I think ninety three was your last year. 349 00:24:17.960 --> 00:24:22.720 Is that right? The ninety two season was my last? Okay, you 350 00:24:22.759 --> 00:24:26.519 guys set the table for the ninety three year. Yes, yes, we 351 00:24:26.559 --> 00:24:29.160 did. A lot of those guys put a lot of pride and watching those 352 00:24:29.200 --> 00:24:30.480 guys play, you know, I think that, you know, we had 353 00:24:30.559 --> 00:24:34.519 set some good groundwork with all those guys. I think that, you know, 354 00:24:34.559 --> 00:24:38.200 with myself and Heath Bray and Todd Parton and those guys, and there 355 00:24:38.200 --> 00:24:41.079 are Morrison, Keyhan, George Malulu. When we left out of there, 356 00:24:41.440 --> 00:24:45.319 I think that we left a mark on that program that they carried over it 357 00:24:45.400 --> 00:24:49.279 to that fest Ball season, right right? Uh? Do you hear memories? 358 00:24:49.359 --> 00:24:53.279 What are your memories? Most maybe played for Coach Tellmey in the early 359 00:24:53.359 --> 00:24:57.839 nineties because he had been here maybe three or four years before that. Correct, 360 00:24:59.559 --> 00:25:03.640 you know what I learned how to handle people while he was there. 361 00:25:04.400 --> 00:25:07.440 You learned and I learned what the biggest thus I learned is like you know, 362 00:25:07.559 --> 00:25:11.839 and I gotta please everybody, but to try to be fair and equitable 363 00:25:11.880 --> 00:25:14.880 with everybody that to deal with. You know, it's a great man, 364 00:25:15.039 --> 00:25:17.680 you know, uh, you know, uh, some positive times, you 365 00:25:17.680 --> 00:25:19.359 know, give us some great life lessons. And I'd be lying if I 366 00:25:19.440 --> 00:25:23.119 said I love every moment of it. But I'd also be lying if I 367 00:25:23.119 --> 00:25:26.079 didn't say that I learned something. I learned something every secret that I was 368 00:25:26.119 --> 00:25:30.640 there and his presence around him that have carried on into my life today. 369 00:25:30.920 --> 00:25:34.759 Right, no question? Who was your offensive line coach? Uh? Well, 370 00:25:34.799 --> 00:25:37.599 I had a few of them, so, uh, Pat Hill was 371 00:25:37.599 --> 00:25:45.079 there. Then we transitioned into uh uh Coach Dickey, Charlie Dickey and Jimmy 372 00:25:45.119 --> 00:25:48.079 Young. Oh so it's not like you didn't have very good coaches, right, 373 00:25:48.119 --> 00:25:51.759 but all three different personalities, right, They're right, You know that 374 00:25:52.119 --> 00:25:56.000 those guys were you know, they were all different personalities fundamentally they were. 375 00:25:56.039 --> 00:26:00.119 They were. They were very similar, but you know, just very for 376 00:26:00.240 --> 00:26:03.680 personalities, very different approaches to culture. But they all wanted to best out 377 00:26:03.680 --> 00:26:06.799 of their group. And I thought we were pretty successful, yeah, no 378 00:26:06.880 --> 00:26:10.359 question. In fact, I remember Pat Hill one of the one of the 379 00:26:10.400 --> 00:26:14.359 crazier ones, and I ring without due respect because he'd love to come up 380 00:26:14.400 --> 00:26:17.799 with plays and these gadget plays and kind of you know, he was that 381 00:26:17.880 --> 00:26:22.119 guy, right, kind of like got out of the box absolutely absolutely, 382 00:26:22.160 --> 00:26:26.519 and you know he didn't shot away to me. You know he would always 383 00:26:26.519 --> 00:26:29.559 stand by, you know, stand by whatever his opinion was, whatever chance 384 00:26:29.599 --> 00:26:32.440 he wanted to take. And uh, you know he was ready to take 385 00:26:32.480 --> 00:26:34.279 on all summers than anything, right, right, you know. And I 386 00:26:34.279 --> 00:26:37.839 didn't realize that you were from the LA area. I couldn't remember to spend 387 00:26:37.960 --> 00:26:41.519 again thirty some years for me. Uh, so you went, you went 388 00:26:41.559 --> 00:26:45.279 back home after all this. Yeah, you know, I've lived in a 389 00:26:45.279 --> 00:26:48.279 few different places, and uh, you know, La always calls me home. 390 00:26:49.480 --> 00:26:52.079 You know, as I'm getting closer to my retirement age, you know, 391 00:26:53.039 --> 00:26:56.119 sadly to say, I'm getting closer to my retirement years. You know, 392 00:26:56.200 --> 00:26:59.400 I'm thinking about where I'm going to go and how I'm going to live 393 00:26:59.400 --> 00:27:02.480 out the rest of my life. You know, you know, Tucson is 394 00:27:02.480 --> 00:27:07.079 definitely on that list, as well as you know, the Americopa County area. 395 00:27:07.160 --> 00:27:11.200 But yeah, it's it's you know, living in La. You know, 396 00:27:11.400 --> 00:27:14.519 La always calls me home. But you know it's a little rough out 397 00:27:14.519 --> 00:27:15.759 here now, it's a little expensive. Now, I'm good, need to 398 00:27:15.759 --> 00:27:18.039 get back to one of those other places I call it home once some time. 399 00:27:18.200 --> 00:27:21.680 Sure, Well, we were there for the tournament for the Sweet sixteen, 400 00:27:21.720 --> 00:27:23.319 and I'm thinking, who would want to live here? The traffic takes 401 00:27:23.359 --> 00:27:30.079 forever a little. You get used to something after a while, and you 402 00:27:30.119 --> 00:27:33.000 know there's you know, there's personal living out here, but it's just the 403 00:27:33.079 --> 00:27:34.839 traffic and the and the cost of living, right. You know, after 404 00:27:34.839 --> 00:27:37.039 a while, you know, once you grow up a little bit and and 405 00:27:37.680 --> 00:27:41.640 change your mindset about life, you know, you realize it might be trying 406 00:27:41.640 --> 00:27:42.799 to go to someone a little bit different, right right. I'm sure you 407 00:27:42.799 --> 00:27:45.599 have a lot of friends still here in Tucson, and we talk about this 408 00:27:45.640 --> 00:27:49.200 with Jay every now and again. A lot of the ex guys who come 409 00:27:49.240 --> 00:27:53.480 to school here stay here or at least find their way back here because Tucson 410 00:27:53.640 --> 00:27:59.519 was good to them. Absolutely absolutely got some great speriends that went there, 411 00:27:59.599 --> 00:28:02.559 never let there and retired, you know, working there, and you know 412 00:28:02.680 --> 00:28:07.400 the Markel Waves and you know Reggie Gatiss and of the World and things like 413 00:28:07.440 --> 00:28:10.640 that that have done well and you know, and made the area home and 414 00:28:10.799 --> 00:28:14.799 and blives in it and done that thing and then done some really well wonderful 415 00:28:14.839 --> 00:28:18.200 things for their lives and in their lives and for their family. So that 416 00:28:18.359 --> 00:28:21.079 two sun has been you know, great to a lot of people. Yeah, 417 00:28:21.359 --> 00:28:23.279 no question. Okay, so maybe let's talk about your weekend. You 418 00:28:23.319 --> 00:28:29.160 saw some ex guys. What was your impression about the team? You know, 419 00:28:29.279 --> 00:28:32.079 like I said, a top they's a great energy out there. I 420 00:28:32.200 --> 00:28:34.599 like the way to fly around. You know, obviously those guys are seeing 421 00:28:34.640 --> 00:28:37.359 a lot of pride and being successful and doing things. You know, you 422 00:28:37.400 --> 00:28:40.400 know, we'll see when it all, you know, gets put the music 423 00:28:40.440 --> 00:28:41.599 in the fall, you know what it really looks like, you know, 424 00:28:41.680 --> 00:28:45.519 being in the new conference and all those good things. But I have nothing 425 00:28:45.559 --> 00:28:52.920 but high expectations and nothing but optimism as we move into this this big twelve 426 00:28:52.000 --> 00:28:56.240 season and uh you know in twenty twenty four, and you know, I 427 00:28:56.359 --> 00:29:00.519 just love what's going on there. I mean not wait to see them perform 428 00:29:00.559 --> 00:29:04.000 and compete the season. Yeah, no question, We'll see how good they 429 00:29:04.000 --> 00:29:07.799 were. And what did you think about the offense, because you're an offensive 430 00:29:07.839 --> 00:29:15.160 lineman guy, and Noah and Tam although teammate got hurt, right, you 431 00:29:15.200 --> 00:29:17.359 know, I need to see a lot of team make live. You know, 432 00:29:17.359 --> 00:29:19.039 obviously you know he's a little bit hurt, a little bit banged up. 433 00:29:19.440 --> 00:29:23.039 But Noah's you know, Noah's was great out there. I love what 434 00:29:23.079 --> 00:29:26.839 I see out of him. I love what he's doing out there. You 435 00:29:26.880 --> 00:29:30.920 know, I love the offensive line is coming together really good. I think 436 00:29:30.920 --> 00:29:33.400 that those guys are gonna be mallers. You know, you're gonna do a 437 00:29:33.440 --> 00:29:37.640 good job out there. So you know, in the game plan it looks 438 00:29:37.680 --> 00:29:41.599 solid. So you know, again, I think that they're gonna be just 439 00:29:41.680 --> 00:29:45.440 fine. A couple of quick things involving nil. Okay, so back in 440 00:29:45.480 --> 00:29:48.160 the day, you guys obviously didn't have it. What do you think it 441 00:29:48.160 --> 00:29:51.079 would have meant to you guys back in ninety ninety one, ninety two, 442 00:29:52.079 --> 00:29:55.920 Well, you know, it would have meant that you low would have gotten 443 00:29:55.920 --> 00:29:57.359 out of there were even better credit, you know. And and I'll say 444 00:29:57.400 --> 00:30:00.200 that because I know, you know some of us, you know, I 445 00:30:00.240 --> 00:30:02.400 have some challenge credit coming out of there, But I think they would have 446 00:30:02.400 --> 00:30:06.640 been wonderful. Have we add an nil deals and you'll create some things. 447 00:30:06.799 --> 00:30:08.279 I think you're really going to help some guys. They have some family issues 448 00:30:08.279 --> 00:30:11.519 and other things that were going on. Yeah, you know, some tough 449 00:30:11.519 --> 00:30:14.920 times during that time. You know, it was the nineties, so you 450 00:30:14.920 --> 00:30:17.799 know, the nineties were tough years for everybody. You know, for the 451 00:30:17.799 --> 00:30:19.559 most part. But you know, have we asked an nil deal that people 452 00:30:19.559 --> 00:30:22.960 would have been a great thing. I mean, I'm happy those guys have 453 00:30:22.000 --> 00:30:25.200 those opportunities to do it. Now, you know, there's a time and 454 00:30:25.200 --> 00:30:26.599 a place of everything. And he just you know, we're born a little 455 00:30:26.640 --> 00:30:30.000 too soon. You know. If you get that good, great kiss and 456 00:30:30.000 --> 00:30:32.279 that all over, wonderful things that came out of it, I say the 457 00:30:32.319 --> 00:30:33.960 same thing. I was bored way too soon. So here's another question. 458 00:30:34.079 --> 00:30:37.680 I'm going to put a hypothetical in front of you. So you're you're here 459 00:30:37.759 --> 00:30:41.559 now, you're an offensive lineman, you're the center, you're the guard, 460 00:30:41.680 --> 00:30:45.000 whatever you are. And team Mac or not Mac Noah gets this million dollar 461 00:30:45.039 --> 00:30:49.960 contract and I'm just hypothetically now. And and Vincent Smith gets this fifty thousand 462 00:30:51.000 --> 00:30:55.720 dollars deal, and I'm thinking, okay, I'm Vincent Smith, how how 463 00:30:55.759 --> 00:30:57.240 does this work? And see, I'm the guy who opens holes for the 464 00:30:57.279 --> 00:31:03.759 quarterback and this is what I get. Well, you know what, I'm 465 00:31:03.759 --> 00:31:04.519 just you know, and I can only speak to me. I can't speak 466 00:31:04.559 --> 00:31:07.640 to anybody else. I speak it for me. I'm gonna say, you 467 00:31:07.640 --> 00:31:10.640 know what, I better keep on opening those holes up so that you know, 468 00:31:10.799 --> 00:31:12.240 even though he's getting a million dollars and I'm getting fifty thousand, I 469 00:31:12.240 --> 00:31:15.000 don't want that fifty thousand to go away. You know, I only want 470 00:31:15.039 --> 00:31:18.599 to go up. I don't want to go down for or go away completely 471 00:31:18.920 --> 00:31:22.440 mean being upset this grunt and not doing my job. So you know, 472 00:31:22.480 --> 00:31:26.160 you get you get more perps out things. You know, the harder you 473 00:31:26.200 --> 00:31:29.799 work and the better you do, So you know that's those are those types 474 00:31:29.839 --> 00:31:33.039 of things that were instilled in me by those gentlemen that we talked about earlier. 475 00:31:33.359 --> 00:31:34.680 You know, keep working, keep doing it. It might you might 476 00:31:34.680 --> 00:31:37.319 not feel like it's fear right now, but you know the flip side of 477 00:31:37.400 --> 00:31:41.039 it, did it can go away completely for you and someone else will step 478 00:31:41.079 --> 00:31:42.799 in there and get your fifty thousands. No, that's great, good attitude 479 00:31:42.799 --> 00:31:45.960 because you're very true. If you don't perform, then it goes away. 480 00:31:47.119 --> 00:31:48.039 Let me ask you another quick question. Because you've been a coach for a 481 00:31:48.079 --> 00:31:51.839 number of years. This is a discussion Jay and I have had a few 482 00:31:51.839 --> 00:31:56.000 times this week what makes a good coach. And part of the discussion was 483 00:31:56.240 --> 00:31:59.839 you can't be a good guy and be a good coach. And I that 484 00:31:59.880 --> 00:32:02.200 I mean by a good guy is you don't have that personality you hug the 485 00:32:02.240 --> 00:32:06.839 guys and you're you're a good guy. Uh. I think you have to 486 00:32:06.880 --> 00:32:08.519 be a jerk sometimes and jerk's not the right word. You have to be 487 00:32:08.559 --> 00:32:15.359 stern and demanding is pretty good, but sometimes happen. You know that it's 488 00:32:15.359 --> 00:32:19.599 part for of course. I think that if you're fair and equitable. I 489 00:32:19.599 --> 00:32:22.920 think that the one thing that will any player will say, you know, 490 00:32:23.079 --> 00:32:25.599 about their coaches. You know, we didn't like it all, you know, 491 00:32:25.640 --> 00:32:29.079 we did sometimes, you know, maybe we wanted to, you know, 492 00:32:29.160 --> 00:32:31.359 be in the room by ourselves and maybe you know, wrap our hands 493 00:32:31.400 --> 00:32:37.200 around somebody the wind pipe. However, you know, if you are fair 494 00:32:37.240 --> 00:32:40.440 and you're equitable and things that you do, and we know that you care, 495 00:32:40.880 --> 00:32:44.200 you know, and you care about individual, it was gonna be all 496 00:32:44.279 --> 00:32:45.359 right. You know. Yeah, sometimes the conversation might be a little bit 497 00:32:45.400 --> 00:32:50.359 harsh, you know, but you know, sometimes the truth harsh. Sometimes 498 00:32:50.359 --> 00:32:52.519 it might be a little bit misplaced. But hey, if you're being fair 499 00:32:52.559 --> 00:32:55.200 with me and everybody else, I'm good to go. Yeah, I know 500 00:32:55.319 --> 00:32:59.440 that makes sense. Fair and equitable, I think those two things describe a 501 00:32:59.480 --> 00:33:01.359 coach. That's a pretty good coach, and I think Dick tell me, 502 00:33:01.559 --> 00:33:07.480 was that right? Absolutely? Yeah, absolutely, well, Vinch, thanks 503 00:33:07.480 --> 00:33:12.960 for joining us. I appreciate your time and now I have your number as 504 00:33:13.000 --> 00:33:15.720 do hey, lock it in or let's talk about them. Okay, thanks 505 00:33:15.720 --> 00:33:17.440 a bunch man, take care, be well, Thank you, Thank you. 506 00:33:19.039 --> 00:33:22.039 Vincent Smith, former U of a football player of the offense. A 507 00:33:22.039 --> 00:33:24.759 big dude, A big dude. Yeah, good dude, good dude too. 508 00:33:25.000 --> 00:33:27.960 So hey, let's take the break, he said. Well, now 509 00:33:28.000 --> 00:33:30.599 are a little early, so we caught up with time and then we'll finish 510 00:33:30.680 --> 00:33:32.440 out your career with me. Yeah, yeah, do it. Okay. 511 00:33:32.559 --> 00:33:36.799 If you're an Arizona men's basketball fan, you know it's been successful for nearly 512 00:33:36.880 --> 00:33:39.400 forty years. Now take a look back at the Ludolsen era in my new 513 00:33:39.400 --> 00:33:43.039 book, Lessons from Loot. 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Jay is out today. 551 00:36:37.079 --> 00:36:40.000 Sammon with me for his final fifteen minutes yep of his Eye on the 552 00:36:40.000 --> 00:36:44.920 Ball career. Maybe I'll call in. I'll start calling you still calling? 553 00:36:45.000 --> 00:36:47.400 That'd be great. You know who let the cat a thing that you enjoy 554 00:36:47.440 --> 00:36:52.519 your time here and last yeah says you know, it's kind of fun it 555 00:36:52.559 --> 00:36:55.360 is. Come on, talk about sports for two and a half hours. 556 00:36:55.360 --> 00:37:00.360 There's really nothing better. I would know whether to do right rather do beer. 557 00:37:00.599 --> 00:37:01.800 This is kind of what we kind of envision it, just kind of 558 00:37:02.119 --> 00:37:06.840 we're at a bar having drinks and drinking talking talking sports. Listen, I'm 559 00:37:06.880 --> 00:37:09.320 gonna go do it in about three hours anyway with my friends. Boys. 560 00:37:09.360 --> 00:37:13.480 Yes, I might as well get ready for it. So yeah, yeah, 561 00:37:13.599 --> 00:37:16.800 no, good for you. It's been great, honestly super and not 562 00:37:16.920 --> 00:37:21.400 that this job gave you a job, but this job, well you kind 563 00:37:21.400 --> 00:37:23.079 of you know, you kind of knew what you wanted to do. I 564 00:37:23.079 --> 00:37:28.920 mean, just being able to experience what a board looks like taking calls kind 565 00:37:28.920 --> 00:37:31.280 of. Yeah, it's not it's not producing by any means, but you 566 00:37:31.280 --> 00:37:35.719 can probably go to the radio booth up there, short and say you kind 567 00:37:35.719 --> 00:37:37.199 of know what you're kind of. I mean, if I went to the 568 00:37:37.280 --> 00:37:42.679 radio booth at the Diamondbacks and I was there for a couple of days, 569 00:37:42.679 --> 00:37:45.199 I would definitely probably know a lot what I did before. It could be 570 00:37:45.239 --> 00:37:49.320 a pinch hitter. I mean I could back in my day. Yeah, 571 00:37:49.480 --> 00:37:52.519 I was. I was a good little league baseball player. Oh no, 572 00:37:52.519 --> 00:37:55.199 you sound like Jay. No. I was gonna play and then I decided 573 00:37:55.199 --> 00:37:59.760 to play basketball. I picked the wrong sport, Steve, Right, I'll 574 00:38:00.199 --> 00:38:04.039 at that's all. I'm five eight. I was a point guard. But 575 00:38:04.119 --> 00:38:07.519 I really should have gone with the Oh we got a call her. Okay, 576 00:38:07.400 --> 00:38:10.280 Hello, you're on the air. One on the ball, Hey, 577 00:38:10.440 --> 00:38:16.360 Steve, how you doing towered? I'm licking my wounds? You in you 578 00:38:16.440 --> 00:38:22.519 in the Sammy here always? Hey, Sammy. Okay, guess what. 579 00:38:22.159 --> 00:38:25.320 I fell and I got injured. You know, I'm building a garage in 580 00:38:25.400 --> 00:38:30.519 my house, right, Okay, we could go Sunday. Guess where I 581 00:38:30.559 --> 00:38:34.440 am right now because I've already moved on. I was born in Chicago. 582 00:38:34.679 --> 00:38:37.840 That's where I'm at for a funeral. I've been here for four days. 583 00:38:37.559 --> 00:38:40.639 Wow, so you uh, it's been a bad week. I'm sorry, 584 00:38:40.719 --> 00:38:45.559 sorry to hear your funeral. Yeah, it is what it is. Do 585 00:38:45.639 --> 00:38:50.159 you but we're coming home tomorrow. We're getting home tomorrow. And I was 586 00:38:50.400 --> 00:38:53.480 going to call yesterday. I tried to call, but so I didn't have 587 00:38:53.519 --> 00:38:58.960 to face the music. Well, so, how many dinners and wine do 588 00:38:59.039 --> 00:39:02.360 I get here? Pretty? No? You know what? Hey, they 589 00:39:02.360 --> 00:39:07.079 were pathetic. You know, it's like who knows. It's it's a puzzle. 590 00:39:07.119 --> 00:39:09.280 We don't know what to do. But I'm moving on, and I 591 00:39:09.400 --> 00:39:14.280 was gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna give j heck because I'm gonna say the Cubs 592 00:39:14.280 --> 00:39:19.280 are gonna end up being better than the Dodgers. Yeah, they'll ask you 593 00:39:19.320 --> 00:39:24.239 because because Sam here was being a bit diplomatic with the vocal situation, h 594 00:39:24.320 --> 00:39:29.840 do they keep them or get rid of them, Okay, I'll be diplomatic 595 00:39:29.920 --> 00:39:37.760 to It's like they are so in trouble that that they might as well keep 596 00:39:37.800 --> 00:39:42.639 them because you know, and and and and they have a big meeting with 597 00:39:42.719 --> 00:39:47.559 the with the players and say a are they say, do you want me 598 00:39:47.599 --> 00:39:53.199 gone or what? Rather than having you know, Johnson and the owner pulled 599 00:39:53.239 --> 00:40:00.280 the trigger. I don't know how that meeting would go. Me. They're 600 00:40:00.320 --> 00:40:02.320 not going to be any better off with a new coach, period, even 601 00:40:02.360 --> 00:40:07.159 if they even if he's lost the locker room somewhat. I just don't know 602 00:40:07.159 --> 00:40:08.639 what to say. I'm just don't have a lot of faith in him. 603 00:40:08.960 --> 00:40:13.440 And and you know who there, you know that there, I know Sam, 604 00:40:13.519 --> 00:40:16.639 you know their lead assistant, you know Steve right where he's going. 605 00:40:17.000 --> 00:40:20.960 He's going to be the b YU coach. He was part of the problem 606 00:40:21.039 --> 00:40:22.639 too, was a big part of the problem. He was supposed to be 607 00:40:22.639 --> 00:40:28.800 an offensive guru and the defensive. Yeah, and our offense mostly looked worse 608 00:40:28.800 --> 00:40:32.360 than our defense did most of the time. Oh oh yeah, yeah, 609 00:40:32.480 --> 00:40:37.199 Well, Howard be Well, thanks for calling, Thanks, thanks for the 610 00:40:37.280 --> 00:40:40.119 humble Pike call. Yeah, I have to face the music at two cent 611 00:40:40.239 --> 00:40:47.119 I'm in Chicago, having a good time. Actually, Sammy, you so 612 00:40:47.320 --> 00:40:51.320 okay, I was wondering to get that call. I was, I was. 613 00:40:51.440 --> 00:40:53.039 I knew he was a big Suns fan, so I know you're talking 614 00:40:53.079 --> 00:40:58.920 about it. He'd bet be a couple of dinners wine. He's gonna playing 615 00:40:59.000 --> 00:41:01.000 on his irist. It's a yeah. So a couple of quick things. 616 00:41:01.800 --> 00:41:07.480 Arizona wide receiver Derek English has decided to enter the portal. He's a wide 617 00:41:07.519 --> 00:41:14.320 receiver for U of A. And then DJ Warnell is now going to Indiana 618 00:41:14.440 --> 00:41:19.079 former Wildcat. So here's the comings and goings of things. Let me ask 619 00:41:19.119 --> 00:41:22.000 you something. Does anybody want to call? Please do five to two zero 620 00:41:22.079 --> 00:41:25.360 four one six seventy four forty that'd be great. We interrupt our conversation. 621 00:41:25.599 --> 00:41:29.360 So, your dad's an ASHU guy, kind of around my age, a 622 00:41:29.400 --> 00:41:34.480 little younger than me Vegas. You know the guy there's on a state guy. 623 00:41:35.199 --> 00:41:37.880 Is he more of a U of A guy now because his checks are 624 00:41:37.880 --> 00:41:40.840 coming here? Or is he kind of still loyal to a to a mediocre 625 00:41:40.880 --> 00:41:46.440 program now? He We definitely talk about the the ASU kind of downfall because 626 00:41:46.440 --> 00:41:52.760 their athletic department, let's be honest, hasn't been remotely great the last what 627 00:41:52.840 --> 00:41:57.199 five years at least at least, but he's a he's kind of a homer 628 00:41:57.239 --> 00:42:00.239 when it comes to the Nevada wolf Pack because he spent the most time there, 629 00:42:00.360 --> 00:42:05.719 so he he would probably go wolf Pack. Then we're starting to get 630 00:42:05.800 --> 00:42:08.639 him to come around. We got him a couple of shirts. He wears 631 00:42:08.679 --> 00:42:12.559 them, he'll come to games. But I think he's still kind of a 632 00:42:12.599 --> 00:42:15.039 little bit in his A s U way, So I would probably say they're 633 00:42:15.960 --> 00:42:22.360 they're about level. I would probably say, Okay, Vegas, not Vegas, 634 00:42:22.800 --> 00:42:25.639 Nevada. He must have been upset with the meltdown in the tournament. 635 00:42:25.800 --> 00:42:34.119 Yeah, I mean he he always jokes because his team's always choke and just 636 00:42:34.519 --> 00:42:37.800 he's a Cubs fan or was a Cubs fan, and now he's an Arizona 637 00:42:37.840 --> 00:42:44.480 Sports fan and we were no better. Oh yeah, but anyway, so 638 00:42:45.199 --> 00:42:49.000 we were talking about the Nevada Dayton game. We were texting, and as 639 00:42:49.039 --> 00:42:51.760 a dad, I don't know how many dads text like this, but they'll 640 00:42:51.760 --> 00:42:57.079 text and like want like separate sentence. That's me. So I'll get like 641 00:42:57.320 --> 00:43:04.239 four back to back texts. It goes Nevada looks good period send halftime wolf 642 00:43:04.280 --> 00:43:07.320 Pack might give the Wildcats trouble send and then I get to at the end 643 00:43:07.360 --> 00:43:14.679 of the game, Nevada sucks. We choked. It's just it's just so 644 00:43:14.679 --> 00:43:19.239 so simple. Dot dot Yeah, you know, the Nevada looks good. 645 00:43:19.280 --> 00:43:22.119 Dot dot dot. That means I'll be back later, right right. And 646 00:43:22.199 --> 00:43:24.400 then with with those with the four statements, Yeah, I don't know, 647 00:43:24.440 --> 00:43:28.679 it's just I think we were starting to get him to come around on the 648 00:43:28.760 --> 00:43:31.519 u of a. But again it's well, he's got more chances because you'rres 649 00:43:31.920 --> 00:43:35.880 my brother, brother, he's a junior now going to be a senior. 650 00:43:37.159 --> 00:43:40.360 No, just he's running out of money, come on, out of money, 651 00:43:40.400 --> 00:43:44.239 run out of time. Yeah right, it's all right. The grand 652 00:43:44.320 --> 00:43:45.960 kids will come here too, sure, Yeah, yeah, yeah, sure. 653 00:43:46.079 --> 00:43:50.280 Gotta gotta get back to to song. Whatever is left. I mean 654 00:43:50.320 --> 00:43:52.360 a lot of chaos going on over there, A lot of chaos even now, 655 00:43:52.519 --> 00:43:57.440 even overnight craziness is yeah, that was nuts. It's what's going on 656 00:43:57.480 --> 00:44:01.360 around like campuses all across the country, which is we live in difficult times 657 00:44:01.440 --> 00:44:05.239 right now, or or divided times. I should say, okay, we 658 00:44:05.280 --> 00:44:07.159 got eight minutes. Anybody want to call five two oh four, one, 659 00:44:07.280 --> 00:44:10.719 six seventy four forty. You can give us a good call, Sammy's goodbye, 660 00:44:12.800 --> 00:44:15.360 and you start you graduate the thirteenth, and then you start your job 661 00:44:15.480 --> 00:44:19.679 the sixteenth. Oh so you got three he got a three days. We 662 00:44:19.719 --> 00:44:22.960 got a look call. Hey, welcome to the ball. You're you're on 663 00:44:22.960 --> 00:44:28.440 the phone, Hey, Steve, this is don How you don How are 664 00:44:28.480 --> 00:44:31.239 you? What's going on? Hey? Not too much. I just wanted 665 00:44:31.239 --> 00:44:40.079 to compliment Sammy and ask a question, a general question. Sammy's eloquent description 666 00:44:40.239 --> 00:44:46.840 of his turn paper there and when you asked him hypothetically when he was thirty, 667 00:44:47.000 --> 00:44:50.719 if he had some spare money, how would he want to give it 668 00:44:50.760 --> 00:44:53.880 back to the school, you know? And he said he'd like to know 669 00:44:53.920 --> 00:44:59.800 where it was coming from and everything else. That was a grown up answer, 670 00:45:00.480 --> 00:45:07.239 thank you. That was the the research on the paper and everything very 671 00:45:07.360 --> 00:45:13.559 growing up. So how can it? How how does anybody get away with 672 00:45:14.239 --> 00:45:22.920 calling these guys kids? Still? The play the players like like Jordan Washington 673 00:45:23.199 --> 00:45:29.400 doing what he did, if he'd have done that in the workplace, sure, 674 00:45:30.159 --> 00:45:36.440 dude, he's gone, he's fired. You don't pass money, you 675 00:45:36.480 --> 00:45:40.239 don't get nothing for that. And people and people on social media going, 676 00:45:40.440 --> 00:45:44.079 hey, man, he's just a kid. You know, why why would 677 00:45:44.119 --> 00:45:46.960 you do that? They're not kids, they're businessmen. Now, yeah, 678 00:45:47.079 --> 00:45:52.199 I think, especially now that you use the word businessmen or obviously I think 679 00:45:52.199 --> 00:45:57.159 they're now almost quote like professionals if they're going to be getting paid this amount 680 00:45:57.159 --> 00:46:00.440 of money. And it's a really hard hard thing to do because some of 681 00:46:00.480 --> 00:46:06.880 these kids are eighteen nineteen. But if they're getting paid as much money as 682 00:46:06.920 --> 00:46:09.239 a lot of professional people are, they have to be held to standard, 683 00:46:09.280 --> 00:46:13.119 like sure, sure, criticism is on the way. Yes, I agree. 684 00:46:13.199 --> 00:46:16.840 You remember Don and Simon here, remember the Oklahoma stake coach of Gundy 685 00:46:17.920 --> 00:46:21.840 he directed into the I'm a man, go after me. Yeah, the 686 00:46:21.920 --> 00:46:23.599 kids. That doesn't apply any more, It doesn't. It doesn't happen anymore, 687 00:46:24.239 --> 00:46:30.320 don't. I don't think it applies anymore. I think once you start 688 00:46:30.360 --> 00:46:37.280 getting money, then that that changed everything, because I mean, how are 689 00:46:37.320 --> 00:46:42.239 these guys getting money? Are they getting a bi weekly stipend? Are they 690 00:46:42.239 --> 00:46:45.679 getting a bag of cash? Are they getting a ten ninety nine at the 691 00:46:45.800 --> 00:46:50.440 end of the year? What did you find out your research? It's it's 692 00:46:50.519 --> 00:46:58.280 all individually like contracific. So I mean the things that I found is Okay, 693 00:46:58.280 --> 00:47:01.159 if you're getting if you're getting an endorsement from say raising Canes here in 694 00:47:01.199 --> 00:47:07.800 Tucson, you'll you'll do ads. You have some question, Yeah, when 695 00:47:07.800 --> 00:47:10.360 it comes to the food and stuff, and they'll they'll give you they'll give 696 00:47:10.360 --> 00:47:15.920 you money from from that. But there's also like the donors, if they're 697 00:47:15.679 --> 00:47:20.519 giving money to NIO, how how is the university giving the athletes that money? 698 00:47:20.760 --> 00:47:23.639 And it goes back to the answer I had we talked about earlier. 699 00:47:23.679 --> 00:47:29.679 It's like a lot of times there's it's a real it's real muddy, the 700 00:47:29.719 --> 00:47:34.159 water's really muddy. You don't know, and it's never portrayed out there either. 701 00:47:34.199 --> 00:47:37.119 It's like, oh, he's getting this money from so and so. 702 00:47:37.159 --> 00:47:39.320 It's going into this like that's why it's tough. Don I'm assuming you don't 703 00:47:39.440 --> 00:47:45.760 contribute to the nil, right, No, I don't have that kind of 704 00:47:45.760 --> 00:47:46.440 money. Yeah, yeah, no, No. And I say this, 705 00:47:46.559 --> 00:47:52.400 I mean I say done, because you're you're You're a not a credible color, 706 00:47:52.400 --> 00:47:54.400 because you are a credible color. You're not a crazy caller. You're 707 00:47:54.400 --> 00:47:58.199 you're you're, you're you think things through. But a lot of the things 708 00:47:58.199 --> 00:48:00.320 I've seen on the Internet and people rip beating and all that stuff. If 709 00:48:00.320 --> 00:48:04.840 you want to be part of the solution and you want to gripe all the 710 00:48:04.880 --> 00:48:07.760 time, okay, go ahead, but there's should be a cost at that 711 00:48:07.039 --> 00:48:09.760 if you want to see them get better. Maybe I'm wrong, I don't 712 00:48:09.800 --> 00:48:15.400 know. Don Well, No, I think it needs to be. You 713 00:48:15.400 --> 00:48:17.639 know, things need to be put down on paper. I think I think 714 00:48:17.679 --> 00:48:22.840 that if you're coming, if you're coming here and you're getting an nil deal, 715 00:48:22.000 --> 00:48:27.119 there needs to be some sort of a contract, some sort of guarantee 716 00:48:27.320 --> 00:48:34.239 for that money. Because the portal opens and you get to go, and 717 00:48:34.960 --> 00:48:37.840 you know you already took that big old sack of money. You know what 718 00:48:37.960 --> 00:48:40.159 it does code get for it? Well, no, there's got to be. 719 00:48:40.400 --> 00:48:45.280 It's got to be. You know, you got to get to get, 720 00:48:45.440 --> 00:48:46.280 you got to give. Well, let me get. How would you 721 00:48:46.320 --> 00:48:51.320 feel if you're the guy who gave up whatever you gave up to have Kerr 722 00:48:51.320 --> 00:48:54.920 go to West Virginia. Yeah, and then not even months later, he's 723 00:48:54.920 --> 00:49:00.599 gone, He's gone. Yeah. No, I mean that's why I think 724 00:49:00.800 --> 00:49:04.719 I think I said it a while back. If I had if I had 725 00:49:04.719 --> 00:49:07.960 that kind of money, and if and if I was organizing. If I 726 00:49:08.039 --> 00:49:14.639 was in organizing and then I collective, I would make there there would be 727 00:49:14.639 --> 00:49:17.559 a contract attached to it, you know, and and it'd be like, 728 00:49:17.719 --> 00:49:22.960 hey, we're gonna give you X, you know. And if playing time 729 00:49:22.039 --> 00:49:24.880 doesn't come and you don't want to, you know, and you want to 730 00:49:25.000 --> 00:49:29.199 enter the portal, you're going to need to come to us, and then 731 00:49:29.239 --> 00:49:31.679 we'll have to come to a separation agreement. Right. No, I think 732 00:49:31.719 --> 00:49:36.280 that. I think the smart guys like Emberto and all those I'm sure a 733 00:49:36.280 --> 00:49:38.440 lot of these smart guys are doing exactly that. Yeah, because you have 734 00:49:38.559 --> 00:49:43.519 to do that, you do. And I think it's gonna I think it's 735 00:49:43.519 --> 00:49:47.280 going to have to be in Ohio state or an Alabama or somebody like that 736 00:49:47.280 --> 00:49:54.840 that starts it where it's gonna have. If Fresno States to try to start 737 00:49:54.880 --> 00:50:00.599 it, it's not going anywhere. Yeah, Okay, well thanks don, 738 00:50:00.880 --> 00:50:05.840 We gotta go appreciate thanks for Sammy, Hey, thank you, I appreciate 739 00:50:05.880 --> 00:50:08.400 it. Take care man. Yeah, it's all it's all, like you 740 00:50:08.440 --> 00:50:13.280 say, a muddled area and part of it because we don't know. I 741 00:50:13.320 --> 00:50:15.360 didn't do the research you did, but you should have a clear version of 742 00:50:15.400 --> 00:50:19.639 it. But It's also like I can do as much research as I want, 743 00:50:19.679 --> 00:50:23.280 but I'm not gonna know the specifics of Umar Bollos and il deal. 744 00:50:23.400 --> 00:50:28.079 That's that's going to be between him and someone behind the closed door. Realistically, 745 00:50:28.159 --> 00:50:30.960 do you think they paid him a million dollars to go play well the 746 00:50:30.039 --> 00:50:34.440 King, I don't know, from Florida, Florida, Atlantic, the destroyed 747 00:50:34.519 --> 00:50:37.920 Arkansas. You know what, she's getting paid more than a million reported, 748 00:50:37.920 --> 00:50:42.320 more than one that's legit because that guy can play. It's also like, 749 00:50:42.400 --> 00:50:45.840 okay, there's there's these numbers being thrown around and probably it's whatever around a 750 00:50:45.880 --> 00:50:50.960 million dollars. But it is like, I would love to see the breakdown 751 00:50:51.239 --> 00:50:53.639 of how they got that money, don't I don't. I don't care that 752 00:50:53.719 --> 00:50:58.840 he's making that money. It's more on the end of what's the breakdown look 753 00:50:58.920 --> 00:51:01.719 like? Is it is eighty percent of it coming from the donors in the 754 00:51:01.800 --> 00:51:09.199 university and twenty percent is coming from endorsements around Arkansas or for the kid going 755 00:51:09.239 --> 00:51:15.039 there. I think some transparency is really kind of all some people, right 756 00:51:15.119 --> 00:51:17.679 sure, want sure and maybe you'll get it and most likely you won't. 757 00:51:17.679 --> 00:51:22.639 Most likely you won't, right right, Well, Sammy, thanks for joining 758 00:51:22.719 --> 00:51:25.400 us. I thought, you know Vincent Smith's answer to the he's the center 759 00:51:25.519 --> 00:51:30.320 the quarterbacks making Yes, you're making it. Great answer. Yeah, but 760 00:51:30.320 --> 00:51:32.280 but there's a butt there. Okay, great answer. But do you really 761 00:51:32.280 --> 00:51:37.440 feel that way? Yeah? It's hard. Yeah, that's that's the nature 762 00:51:37.480 --> 00:51:45.199 of college sports now, which is crazy wild west, wild west, until 763 00:51:45.199 --> 00:51:47.280 we get the guns in the row and all that stuff and you know, 764 00:51:47.519 --> 00:51:52.480 everything in the well well West the rifles put away. Yes, it'll be 765 00:51:52.559 --> 00:51:53.800 like this for a while. Thank you Sammy for everything. Oh, thank 766 00:51:53.880 --> 00:51:58.679 you, Steve. I really appreciate it. In a fun year of talk 767 00:51:58.760 --> 00:52:00.440 and Arizona sports. Good look, come to Derby. Hey, thanks, 768 00:52:00.519 --> 00:52:04.639 Yeah, well we'll text. We will text all little more Saturday morning. 769 00:52:04.639 --> 00:52:06.000 Okay, okay, thanks everybody,