Hello, it's Martin Willison. Welcome to the show. It's actually a prerecorded
show. I'll tell you a little bit more about that later. I had
a show planned with Grant Cameron this evening and I've been on vacation. This
morning, I woke up in Philadelphia. I looked at the GPS, and
my son and I decided if we left at a certain time that i'd be
pulling in the dooryard at around six o'clock according to the GPS, which did
not figure in traffic or rush hour or any of that. It's eleven o'clock
at night right now. I just pulled in the dooryard. I contacted Grant
Cameron earlier and we're going to reschedule, and I do apologize for that a
couple of things. One of the things that I was going to announce is
that Grant is going to be on the show right after me. He and
I are both debuting next week on KGr A Radio. I'm going to be
Tuesday at six to eight, and he's going to be on at eight to
ten every Tuesday after that starts on June fifth. So that's one way you
can catch the live show. I always mentioned for those who cannot support the
show. Different ways to watch or listen watching a course on YouTube. You
can listen now on KGRA radio as well as podcastufo dot com. I do
want to thank the supporters. I was doing the math I don't know,
a couple of weeks ago. It's about two and a half percent of all
the listeners are the ones that support the show. So I really do thank
you very much for supporting a show. Having a show producer does add several
hundred dollars per month, so we are currently in the red. It would
be nice if a couple more people signed up and got us back into the
black. That would be great. Anyone can help out at two dollars or
more a month, and all that information is on podcast ufo dot com.
Again, I really appreciate all the supporters that help out with the show.
So tonight, the show that I'm going to be presenting was recorded one month
ago. I was invited on Command at Cobers show on KGRA and that's when
I actually figured out that I could simulcast on YouTube. So this show is
basically Commander Cobra that's his studio name. He will be interviewing me and of
course you probably heard some of the things that you've heard before. But anyway,
I think I thought he had some pretty interesting perspectives in in the last
part of the show, Mark d Antonio join us and that's a lot of
fun. So anyway, I do apologize for not having the show with Grant
Cameron, but I do think you'll enjoy this show. Big news for our
debut show next week, we are going to start out in our one with
one of my very very favorite guests, Dave Marler, and we are going
to be joined by Lee Spiegel and James Fox. All four of us will
be on the show together. Should be a lot of fun. I'm really
excited about next week. So anyway, I do once again want to thank
all the supporters that help out. I do want to thank each and every
person for listening, and we'll be back next week with a wonderful show.
Remember if you want to listen or watch live, it's new time is Tuesday
at six to eight pm Eastern Standard Time. All right, and don't forget
it's on the Dark Matter Digital network. To the full shows are on Thursday
evenings at ten to midnight Eastern Standard time. Oh and one more thing,
when I was out in Chicago a few days ago. I had breakfast with
our many time guests and good friend Sam Moronto and his wife Julie, and
he says to say hello to the listening audience. It was a lot of
fun. Good to see him and he does a lot of great stuff for
the Chicago area. Move on, all right, here we go on with
the show and three shoe one go. Welcome to Task Force Griffin on KGr
Radio KGr radio dot com. Your connection is secure in this transmission is now
online. Your most humble and blessed host commanded Cobra once again talking and to
use some lucky folks video streaming to you with thanks and Bill Skywatcher, and
we're talking to the greatest audience on the planet. As I said, Bills
on the wing, please look at the man behind the curtain who makes all
the magic work. He is producing and engineering, and he has looped in
another service. Tonight you're set for another outstanding broadcast. I'm very pleased to
tell you that this was another one of those great things they got put together
by the guest and the producer. Your host had nothing else, nothing to
really do with it except the show up and try to be ready. We're
going to dedicate tonight's show. It's going to be the two people. It's
the family of Alfie, the young baby that passed away in Britain. I'm
not concerned about the politics. I just would like to extend condolences. That's
going to be some of the toughest and emotional driving things that could possibly happen.
It was in the news and it's sad, and all of Task Force
Griffin and the family that we are sense condolences and equally sad. Since my
guests from Maine tonight, like myself, we had a tragic law enforcement event
this week. It's touched all of us. We have not lost an officer
of the law in the line of duty in thirty years. Somerset County Corporal
Eugene Cole was killed in the process of apprehending and responding to a call this
past week. To his family and to his community in his county, the
citizens of his county. He was, by all reports, dearly loved,
deally respected, and an important part of his community. So to do both
of those families and the greater contection of folks, our deepest sympathy is extended.
With that said, tonight. The other Willis brother, Martin Willis is
with us tonight. I say that Martin because Dan Wallis has been on with
me a couple of times. And when I told Bill that no, no,
Martin's coming on, he goes, Martin, I don't know who Martin
is. And then then he realized what I was talking about and go oh
that yeah, No, the other Willis is going to be on, and
we got the right weekend set up. Martin, you are a fellow Maner,
and you are also one of the most prolific folks that works on video
and podcasting and having the YouTube channel. I've been greatly impressed with the stuff
that you've done, and you have a lot of facets that we hopefully will
talk about tonight. Well, thank you, Welcome to Task Force Griffin and
a great audience. I will warn the audience, as you can tell if
you're watching the video, I'm a little bit more encumbered tonight. So that
I could have a visual appearance. I worked very hard to set up the
staging behind me, and if I'll just move my shoulder here, you'll see
the alien holding the skull and the cobra of skeleton. So that's all been
done now, all the props have been seen, Martin. How did you
get started in the work that you do well, as far as podcasting goes,
I started a podcast back in two thousand and nine. I had a
connection with a guy that he was on The Man Show years ago, Adam
Carolla. Just had talked to him a couple of times, and his radio
station basically went down where he was broadcasting in the morning, and I was
out in California and he started doing podcasting, and I said, well,
if he can do it, I'll try it. So I tried doing some
antique work and actually it was pretty successful. That's still going ongoing now,
and so that's how I started podcasting. Now. In two thousand, two
thousand and six, I was actually working in the antiques field that I'm in
antiques and fine arts. I was actually at MERV. Griffins. I was
working on his estate and I was saying in Carmel Valley. Had a house
in Carmel Valley. I was staying there and I had a sighting. I've
always had kind of an interest in well, I've had a vast interest in
space and science and all that. But and we had a flap in Maine
years ago when I was growing up, and I remember like looking for UFOs
when I was a kid, but then it never really crossed my mind much.
I was actually sitting in a hot tub. I was not drinking,
and all of a sudden, just make sure we clarify the evidence chain of
evidence. Here. You are in a hot tub in California, that's right,
and then you were not mel Valley. I was not drinking and you
were not drinking. Yes, I know that's I think that's against the local
ordinance there, but please continue. For those that are listening, Well,
something caught my eye. It was twilight, it was like eight thirty or
something like that. Something caught my eye overhead, so I just looked up
and I watched and I just you know, if I had a camera next
to me, I would have never thought to use it. I got to
tell you that, because it was I was just struck by the moment and
the thing that fascinated me the most when I saw this, it was like
a disc, perfectly shaped disc like the size of a quarter held at arm's
length. I guess it's the best way to put it. And I was
thinking it was maybe a couple of thousand feet high, but it was all
guessing. It had a bluish glow over the entire object, and it moved
in a straight line over me, and I just remember sitting there and being
baffled because there was no sound. I mean, that's the first thing I
thought of, like, I'm seeing this thing move and there's absolutely no sound.
Then it stopped, dead stopped, and then it veered off toward Carmel,
Monterey, and so I jumped out of the hot tub and I ran
inside and I got on the phone. I didn't know who to call.
I never thought of anything online at the time, so I got in touch
with the I think it was the Monterey maybe getting Carmel and Monterey confused.
I think it was a Monterey police department. It was a female dispatcher and
she was sarcastic, and then I said, no, I'd like to you
know, I'd like to report. How do I report this? I didn't
know how to report it. So she put me on hold and I waited
for about fifteen minutes, and I got discouraged. I hung up, and
that was kind of like the end of it. So I went into It
wasn't a spectacular sighting but it was a sighting and it certainly rocked my boat
on what I thought about the whole situation. I went inside. I'm sitting
inside and I'm thinking, who am I going to tell about this? To
tell this too? And I couldn't think of, you know, it really
never crossed my mind to go online. So at work the following week,
I had kind of a close person I was working with. I was basically
mentoring her, and I said, please don't tell anyone, but I have
to tell you what happened this weekend. And I told her And it wasn't
maybe a week later that everyone there was teasing me, you know, So
it got around pretty fast, so, you know, I find I just
never talked about it. Years went by and I moved from California back to
Maine were originally from, and I was on a I was doing some actually
some podcasts with comedians that I knew in California and met them, and I
was running that for a while and I told I was on someone else's show,
and I told they said, what's the weirdest thing that ever happened to
you? So I told of the UFO experience basically, and the guy was
really finding and said, well, how was the probing going, and you
know, did you see you know, and all that stuff. You know,
he's really teasing me. And then I think you could have said that
though, just on any trip to California. But that's my own personal bias
slipping out there. Yeah. So anyway, he called me a few weeks
later and he said, you know it. He said this show he did,
like this keyword search and what people were landing on he said it was
UFOs. He said, we were talking about UFOs and had a lot of
traffic on this particular podcast, and so I thought about it and he said,
wow, you know, I think doing a show on UFOs would be
pretty interesting. I don't know anything about them. So I looked on you
two of I started doing some reading. Then I contacted first person I contacted
with Stan Freedman. I didn't hear from him. Then I contacted Oh,
I can't remember how many other people, and finally Steve Bassett. I contacted
him and he said sure, and I said, well, I've never had
a show on UFOs before, and it's really bad. My first show was
really bad. I have to tell you so. And then Bill Burn,
when you go back to the archives on this one we can compare notes,
but so it kind of just snowballed from there. And I have a listener,
Scott who is I don't know how we found my show, but like
the second show, you know, brand new website put it on iTunes.
I think that's probably how we found it. So it's been going on,
it's coming up. I think this week. This week is the three hundredth
show that we have coming up, coming up on a tremendous show that you
put together. Well, thank you. I have a lot of fun and
I think it's I think that's important to just have fun and enjoy it and
listen to what people's ideas are. You know, no one really has an
answer. Some people have been on my show. I think they do have
an answer, but I beg to differ. As a matter of fact,
the saying is, if someone tells you they know what a UFO is,
run the other way, you know, And I think that's not a bad
idea. So we should probably mention how you and I got together. We
have a mutual friend Melanie right that as your show and my show playing in
her shop, and she's a fellow mayner as well, and she started to
put you and I on email, Jane, trying to convince you to come
onto the show. Then you were on with mc maloney's Military X Files the
one week of that month that I was not on the show. So when
I called you and we were starting, Yeah, but I've already been on
your show, and I think I was on previously when you were on there,
and we talked very a short time. Yeah, so we shout out
to Melanie for setting this up and getting us all together and connecting us up.
Yeah, just before we move on, I'm looking at what you're wearing.
It is that hard having a heart? I mean that looks heavy?
Is it? Is it heavy? I have very well developed neck muscles.
For most of my flying career, I wore something like this. Oh yeah,
so this is this is the actual helmet that I work for the last
part of my military flying career. And then I actually use the same helmet
when I was in a rack. And if you look at this little piece
they have my hand on right here. This is where the NVGs would hook
onto and then they can flip up and down depending on how you need to
fly it. So that would be an extra couple pounds of gear here and
some wires and then on the back side is a battery pack and some other
kit that goes with it, and then yeah, strap it all on.
Yeah. So when my wife sometimes my wife comes on the show, and
I wonder tonight if she did you know, she be prepared. You're going
to be on a million screens across the globe when people are watching, because
Martin's got a pretty big following, and she goes, oh, I won't
be coming in tonight. I see she should do is put the alien mask
on and come in and bring me a cup of tea. Maybe the next
time we'll do that. Now. One of our other audience members that I
do want to say hi to is Susan. She actually visited this week.
She came out to what we call wilf Spoon Farm where my wife and I
live with the critters, the animals, and we had a great visit and
was wonderful to finally have her. She's got some family. She travels between
North Carolina and here, and she's very good friends with Mary Joyce, who
I think you have Saucers of the Cashers is her sight and she's been and
she's a frequent guest on task for script and it's a wonderful group of ladies
there that we have worked with. So do you have this first experience?
It kind of lights the fire. I think you're very fortunate because I've always
wanted to I'm jealous because I would have liked to have had the experience I
have not. I have not had the Everything that I have seen, I've
been able to explain, and it was usually something connected with the project.
And I don't even think there's anything that I could say was reversed, engineered,
or came from any other source, but something like the skunk works or
some other part of the military or aerospace world that had put it together.
But I'm I'm always ready. I've been in some of the loneliest parts of
the globe by myself, so I was a prime candidate. So I guess
because if you want to it, it's not going to happen. What have
you seen since then? I haven't seen anything really that you know. The
one thing I do have to say, I saw in Cape Elizabeth, Maine,
and I didn't really want to talk about it because I was thinking,
you know, what are the odds that I'm actually going to have two sightings
I thought I was seeing the International Space Station because it was large and it
was kind of moving in a straight line. And then I went to film
it, and I could have sworn it jagged over. But you know,
I'm saying it was probably something like that. Most likely, I've seen many
satellites in it. It was much bigger. It was, whatever it was.
But I think that's about it. But I do. I do have
a very interesting story to tell you. What happened during one of my shows.
Was I at one time I was in another I was living in a
condo on a golf course in Cape Elizabeth, Maine, And during my show,
my neighbor tried to knock on my door. And I talked to her
a few days later, and she said, I tried to knock on your
door and the other night. And I said when She said Wednesday night or
whenever, whenever? I was doing my show at the time, and I
said, oh yeah, I was busy. So she said, this weird
thing came over the golf course. She said it looked like a triangle with
lights and it just like sweeped right over the golf. Of course, said,
you've got to be kidding me. So while I was having my show.
This thing was right outside my door. I didn't see it. So
I asked her, I said, would you please come on my show and
talk about that? And she said no, And I don't believe in UFOs.
I told her I did a show and then, you know, ever
since then, she kind of avoided me. But she wouldn't come on,
even anonymously and talk about it. She just didn't want anything to do with
the subject. And I think that is a problem that a lot of people
encounter when they want to talk about what they've seen. But she was willing
to share it with you, but not to talk any further than that.
Yeah. Yeah, well, I guess the public thing I understand. I
think a lot of folks are probably still think there's a certain stigma attached to
it, and we're going to delve into that in the next blocks. As
we've worked through on the show. As a special night for us, because
of the YouTube side of it, we really don't have a break that's right,
have to like duck away and drop to the floor and do some kind
of a crawl if I have to use the take a bathroom break in there.
But I'm ready because I'm used to sitting in the seat for a couple
hours and going so I'm all set, But you now, you must have
had some compelling I mean, some of the pods that I've listened to that
you put out, you have had some interesting interactions with people that are relating
their experience to you, and you seem to react to it in a in
a very human emotional way. What are the memorable ones that you've dealt with?
Well, I think I would have to say one of the most memorable
memorable shows that I did was with some Siddic She was one of these sixty
two children that were at the Ariel's School and that had the Ariel's School encounter
that that show went particular just ran chills up my spine when I was talking
to her, because first of all, it's an amazing case I happened in
I want to say, nineteen ninety four or nineteen ninety five, so she's
in her twenties now, and all these students, you know, it was
such a bizarre situation because all these students saw sixty two children saw this craft
land and these beings come out, and they seemed to see some people seemed
to see something a little different it was kind of unusual. And for instance,
when the being was walking, it looked like it was floating. Some
people said that her in particular said no, but she she was only within
four feet of this being, whatever it was, and she described it and
she said its face was like almost like porcelain, no expression, and you
know, that particular encounter, you know a lot of these kids had you
know, telepathic thoughts that and a lot of it had to do with,
you know, maintaining the planet and you know, taking care of the planet.
She in particular didn't, but her story was just absolutely incredible. Really
that was I would say that that was my favorite show of all time.
Now, I've talked to a lot of different people that either have had encounters,
and you talk about yourself never having an encounter, and there are people
like Stan Friedman, you know, he's never had a single encounter. Steve
Bassett I mentioned was the first person on my show has never had an encounter.
But they know there's something going on and they're they're dedicating themselves to looking
into it, which which is actually pretty refreshing if you really think about it.
Someone that's never had an encounter invested all their time and thoughts and are
doing a pretty good, you know, straightforward look into it. Have you
had anybody that you just out know thought was full of it? For lack
of a better term, I was hoping you wouldn't ask that question. Um,
Yes, I've had. I've had a few people on MMM. I
had one sort of recently and so I don't want to name names, sure,
but I've had, you know, people that are saying they've I had
one person that was saying that, you know, he's been on venus.
Um, So I uh, I don't really buy that, but you know,
I let them say what they will, and you know it's the audience
that will certainly comment. Um. You know you do get a lot of
that. Well, we're starting to work up towards our first break in one
of my most dedicated listeners who gives me a really a pretty decent hard time
east from New Hampshire that I'll explain everything for you, and I being from
Maine, I think he wants me to have papers. When I crossed the
border into New Hampshire, he kept asking about flows and he says it's it's
a main staple and that we should know what that is. Does that mean?
Ah? Yes, it does. Flows hot Dogs again. Yeah.
Flows hot Dogs on Route one and York, Maine has been there for I
don't know how many decades, maybe seven decades or something like that, and
it's just basically hot dogs. It's always packed, and it's because they have
this special type of relish that is really really good. Um, you could
throw the hot dog away and just eat the relish, but I mean it's
it's it's really good. So well, you're lucky. I actually have been
by Flows live. I've never had one of the hot dogs nor the relish.
I do see your right again, And we've got that all taken up
before on the all taken care of going into the on this first section the
show, that's excellent. When we talk about guests, have you had to
work hard to get people to want to come on your show? You know?
That's uh, that's what I found real amazing. You know, I've
it was hard. When I was doing a show with comedians, I was
trying to get some good names on there. Um this was the show's not
even up anymore. I mean the podcast site has gone, but I did
have you know, Jen Kirkman and Paul Gilmartin and a number of people on
the show that was really tough. And the UFO field I found right from
the get go that it was fairly easy. People want to talk about it.
So I would say that getting guests on the UFO show, and now
that it's established, is pretty easy. And I have, you know,
I'm booked out to the end of May sometimes, so I've actually had,
you know, people bail at the last minute and you know, had to
scramble, So that does happen occasionally. But it's actually it's actually pretty good
and actually really great people. I've had fun, interesting and a whole variety.
All Right, Well, let's plug your show and the time that it
comes up now as we go to the first break, and we'll pick it
up in about three or four minutes. All right. So it's podcast UFO,
and it's every Wednesday, and it's at eight to I'm sorry, you
got eight to ten pm Eastern Standard Time. Podcast UFO it is. I
enjoy it. I actually do not get a chance very often to catch it
live, and I enjoy putting it on much like Melanie, our mutual friend
that brought us together, or I guess our parole officer. That's when she's
going to be serving as tonight. We h it's great to have in the
background because you you do a show that you don't have to see it and
Carston, you'll say something and you want to go right to the screen and
go, Okay, I got to see the facial expressions when that was said.
And I won't embarrass anybody with some of the stuff that has happened,
but there have been moments where I've said, I've got to figure out.
I gotta see what these people's faces look like when they said this this.
I've got to get that. I'm gonna get my connection here to make sure
I get it. Well, okay, folks, you're listening to Task Force
Griffin on KGr rio KGr rio dot com. My special guest night, Martin
Willis podcast UFO. A man of many talents, and we're going to explore
those as we get as we come back on the other side. And we're
very fortunate to have Martin as well as through his offices, being able to
put this on a YouTube channel as well. Please return, We'll be right
back. Clear, thank you. All right, So we're clear, but
we're not clear on on YouTube. That's right. We're clear, but we're
not clear on YouTube. So no swearing you Martin, you know what you
do. You should flip the script on him, and you should ask him
the same kind of question he was asking you. Well, if he if
he does that now, Bill, then when he calls me when one of
his guest drops out, then I will not play the game. See now
he knows that I'm in the o'm I'm in the O column to him,
that's you know, I'm in his book after coming on tonight, and that's
fine. And I was let to me and I can get home on a
Wednesday night, I'll do it. I was looking through the chat room and
someone says, you look great, commander, and so anyone, actually,
what do we have a couple of minutes. Yeah, someone wants to know
why you're wearing the helmet, So go ahead and answer that. But well,
the helmet is to protect my identity. What started out as part of
to give certain people that I was contracting for some space to have a guy
who talks about the things that I talk about and some of the things that
I that I was involved on the show outside of the show, on my
other work, I believe it or not, Unlike Martin, I have to
have a couple other full time jobs to keep things rolling. I'm not Martin's
the one that's making all the large, big dollars in Maine in podcasts.
You can just look at his face in the camera right now. It's there.
So yeah, yeah, that's the reason why. Well, now it's
become part of the brand. A few folks, in fact, two that
are in the chat room have actually met me without the helmet on, and
they've met missus Cobra. And although I sometimes refer to her being an alien,
she's not. She's actually just from Idaho. But two folks in New
England, that's kind of like being an alien. So that's that's the background.
So the helmet helps protect my identity. Uh, someday they'll probably be
a coming out party. You know, I'll have to I'll have to break
with it. The disappointment will be huge for most folks when they finally do
see what I look like. Now you're saying that you're you're actually protecting your
identity because of some work that you're doing, and you're well that and the
people that I do work for, some of the contractors I do work for,
they would hate to see my real name show up and connected to it.
And now that that most of that work has really really slipped to very
little, but some of the projects I worked on over the last fourteen or
so years since I retired, I was still very deep. Now most folks
knew. I would tell them about the show, and many of them listened
to it, and I would try to throw some kind of small plug in
during the broadcast that would identify them in the outnote. Sometimes I would talk
about the test team I was with. This Mike is a gift from Mac
Maloney, who got me started in this. You know, Mac vertiballah and
Mac got me this yetie Mike, and this Mike has been all over the
United States. It's been in my helmet bag. It's been in hotel rooms.
Yeah up, We're coming back from the break and about five seconds copy
and three two one, Welcome back to Task Warscrippin on KGr Radio KGr Radio
dot com talking to the greatest audience on the planet. My guest tonight,
mister Martin Willis from Maine, a fellow maniac. Off air. For those
of you that are not delving into the YouTube side of this, Martin asked
me he was reading because he's checking the chat room. He's plan definitely watching
what's going on in there so that he can control the numbers, I think,
to make sure things are working. And why am I wearing the helmet?
I didn't want to say that I was wearing the helmet because it's not
that good looking of a person, and the helmet helps keep the audience intrigued.
That's part of it. The other part was explained to Martin was the
kind of the work that I did. Not revealing my identity has been was
useful to help keep separation with some of the projects I was working on.
I've never ever released anything, as I'm bound on my security clearance that I
wasn't supposed to release, but things that I could talk about are things that
I did encounter. I'm pretty frank, as you know from the past that
we've talked. But now it's kind of a brand thing. I'm a big
fan of Iron Rand, So I guess this is my version of John Galt.
You know who is Commander Cobra. So there you go, now,
isn't isn't a Commander Commander Cobra like a fictional character? Right? Yeah?
Cobra is a fictional character out of the G I. Joe series. He
was the Commander Cobra's unique brand and we can it reflects my call sign from
my military flying and the rank that I retired at, so I retired as
a commander. It started out on Mac show as Commander X. And apparently
there's a guy that has Commander X trademarked, and he got in touch with
us to let us know that he did not appreciate Commander X being used anymore
because with Mac everything is agent X, Commander X, friend X, Reporter
X. And I think that's because it was just easier for us to get
through it, and we you know, everyone kind of liked it. The
command of Cobra thing is how we were able to fix it. Ah,
I see, I see. Well we were talking, you know a little
bit. You were talking a little bit about you know, why you kind
of I want to hide your identity, and you know, I actually there
was kind of a rumor. Now I don't really know if it's true or
not, but I think I may have lost a job because I do this
show and the job I had at the time was probably one of the best
part time jobs a person could have. I mean, it was it was
just amazing. So in the in the antiques and fine arts. It was
actually in the auction business for a big auction company, and it was just
a wonderful job. And all of a sudd it was like they said,
well, there's not enough business in this area, and you know, we're
gonna have to let you go. And I've never been let go ever.
And then one of the people that worked at this company said, maybe you
ought to be a little bit careful about your UFO show and mixing it,
you know, being in the antique business. So I kind of took that
as a hint that's possibly why my job is terminated. Now. I don't
know if I can't prove it, but that's that's a possibility, which is
kind of a shame, I think, And I don't think that's going to
happen as much now since there's a little more publicity about the UFO, you
know, search that our government actually was taking it serious. It has a
few times, but I mean more recently, this New York Times article that
came out December sixteenth of last year, I think kind of changed a little
bit on the way people look at the topic. What's your thoughts on that?
I know you're interflowing me, right, but yeah, nice segue into
it. You and I have spoken a little bit off air about this the
initial I not the least bit surprised that we had a Pentagon program. The
rollout in December, my refined remarks on it, There was some interesting stuff
there. I think it was done more as a measure to see how people
are reacting. I think it had a lot to do with our president and
the kind of atmosphere that is going on in the Internet media, meaning that
was a reason to pump a lot of information into it. We may be
at the precipice of finally coming clean and opening up all the files, but
before December, a lot of folks don't refer to this one very much.
A lot of the JFK assassination files were released, with the exception of some
stuff that was publicly held by the CIA, which I found interesting that why
would you even bring that up, Why would you throw that into the mix,
Why would you put those letters, that agency, that name together and
work that in. So I think it was as much as releasing and to
see they wanted to track how we're going to react. Everything is done by
polls, Everything is done by where they think public opinion is rolling. I
think that's the reason why a lot of our policy and things are very screwed
up, and I think this is just one of those issues. With that
said, the people that were involved, mister Bigelow, former senator, read
very interesting cast of characters that were in on that. There's I think some
very true, bonified people and events that are wrapped in that. And I
think the first things that they released were manufactured, very heavily edited. Not
manufactured evidence, but manufactured and handled packaged the way it came out. Oh,
go ahead, Are you saying that because of the short span of the
videos themselves, the quality of the videos, the way that those are,
the heat is coming off of them. This is one of the things that
you spoke to me at length above, because when the second one came out,
I had told you that I was actually at a place where I had
seen that video. I'm sure of it as part of other videos around there.
It's actually the second one is an excellent demonstration of someone who really knows
how to operate a system well, manually running over to what they visually see
moving, driving the system over to it, and then putting an autolock onto
it. That's not hard to do with radar, hard and relative sense optically
driving a system that can be very difficult, and it was a very good
piece of work. And as we talked, I'm convinced it's either some kind
of ammunition or as you were talking off air before we came on, most
likely it's a some kind of a US unmanned aerial system. Right. What
about have you looked at Have you looked at all of the There's actually been
three now that were released. One of them was kind of I think released
actually prior to that, called the Nimits. Have you looked at all of
those? Yes, the Nimits one that were There was two sets of events
that occurred around the major reveal and working backwards as we talked, I'm not
surprised that the that the Pentagon had a name program, and I'm not surprised
that it's ended, and they discussed it. It's end. You know,
that program ended, and it may have ended on a Friday, and I
guarantee on Monday there was a new office and a new set of folks that
we're working at are split over the two other teams. There's no doubt in
my mind that work continues, Yes, in some way. Ultimately, my
belief system has me at the point that there are a group of people that
aren't part of the elected body of the government. I don't think the term
deep state properly fits, but it does kind of metaphorically the folks that are
in areas that work into it, that hold any number of secrets, some
are critical, you know, to our national security, that those secrets are
mixed in there with it, that are constantly looking at these kinds of events,
looking at these kinds of experiences in these reports. I think there's enough
evidence there that tells me that there is a very strong case to be made
for extraterrestrial visits. I think there's a very strong case to be made for
reverse engineering of extraterrestrial technology. And I think a lot of the things that
we see that we claim or people claim is man made military objects that are
flying. There's a number of people that have speculated that the triangles that people
are seeing, even though you know they are mostly silent, some people report
them with a humming, but that are there's a lot of people speculating that
those are actually you know, black ops, or are not exactly a secret
military craft. Yeah, I think that when we get black ops. I
said that by different Yeah, I said, I would say it's a black
program or yeah, that's what I meant to say program. So let's take
the case of the SR seventy one. The aircraft was flying well over ten
years before anybody really knew that it was outflying. They paraded other aircraft.
In fact, they used the UFO phenomenon as a way to cover up it
and a number of other aircraft that were outflying. The air Force was engaging,
the government was engaging and feeding disinformation into that system. Now that's an
effective tool. Disinformation is on one of the things I was taught as part
of my career in the military and some of the work, how did you
deceive Not so much the public it was in my case it was the enemy,
but how do you deceive the enemy's civilian populace. Like, if we're
going to do a helicopter insertion, we're going to put a team in.
You would make multiple approaches that look like landings, and on one of those
that's when they actually got off, and you continued so that it did not
give an indication. You know, a helicopter went into a field and everybody
that's where they focused their interests, and they go look for the team that
you've inserted or the people that you're trying to extract out. So that doesn't
I think that sets a pretty good case, a pretty good precedent how we're
going to go forward. We definitely become creatures of habit. The one thing,
the one argument that I've had about when people say that, you know,
all the triangles that people are seeing are you know, secret military craft.
The argument I have in that is, you know, all the way
back to I'm trying to think it was like nineteen sixty or something like that
in Lubock, Texas. You know the first triangle that was pictured and witnessed
by tons of people, and that was actually went all the way up into
Kansas Wichita. They were seen. There was a number of cell phone pictures.
Is an interesting thing that you bring up on a lot of fronts their
Martin. Now, I mean this was this was an earlier This is prior
to cell phone. This was you were talking about the Phoenix lights perhaps I
was talking about in lu Back. These are early early triangles. Also,
a friend of mine, Lee Spiegel, that used to work at the Huffington
Post. He's now working with James Fox on a UFO video. He actually
had an encounter in North Carolina. I want to say it was nine late
nineteen seventies with a triangle that came over silently and shot down to beam a
light right at their feet along with him with a whole bunch of police officers.
So I don't think that we're going to have military secret military craft going
that far back that we still wouldn't know anything about, you know, what's
your I think that we will or we did. I will cite for folks
that are new to the show. If you have a chance, get download
mister Lear's show. Mister Lear talks about some of the things that he was
made known or had some knowledge of the aircraft that you were just referred to,
the very silent one, the one that shot the beam. That one
there, I'm almost sure was a combination of a dirigible type design that had
had lighter than air properties and it had other things made it to it partially
because they were looking for the ability to have surveillance and the ability to take
extended surveillance activity over a target area, not a lot of heat being produced,
so it wouldn't show up very quiet, had some characteristics of being able
to fly and have some control. That's what dirigibles give, and that triang
or shape I think not so much coincidence if I believe that's what that vehicle
had been talked about and had been seen in Europe quite a bit, and
I believe it was for a specific purpose, and a lot of the vehicles
that we have worked that way, they do show up in a very specific
mission set that they want to get coverage or some capability. Same thing happened
with the UM. With our predators and the unmanned aerial vehicles, you know
they're they're exploded in their capability. So I think that you're talking about a
family of different types of aircraft that have that shape. If you look at
fighter aircraft or transport aircraft, they all look the same. Some have propellers,
some have jet engines. Their capabilities are similar, but there their characteristics
are what's what's different. There was a helicopter project that's been on very much
the forerunner to some of the things that went on the big laden rate where
the helicopters were nearly silent um. I saw these aircraft move used in exercises.
The problem was is that to make them silent made them not such good
helicopters. They were great for moving around, they're very quiet, which had
to compromise a lot of other capabilities that didn't make them useful. Now you
have had some experiences with the triangle, and you know that that's one of
myne If there's anything that gets my attention, if there's a shiny bell that
when it rings, gets my attention, it's definitely the black triangle discussion.
Well, you know a couple of things to argue there about what you're saying
is a number of people have said that they've seen these things shoot off at
a high rate of speed and again with no sound at all. That is
repeated quite often. Another thing, a lot of people are saying, these
things are enormous, you know, sometimes perhaps even more than a mile wide.
There would be absolutely no reason why the government would make something like that.
Agreeing that wouldn't make any sense. So I don't know, you know,
I would say that you're probably right on some of them. And I've
always thought that too, that some of these triangles could actually be military,
absolutely without a doubt. And when I say could, I don't know if
they actually have that technology, but I've never really heard the dirigible thought it.
I guess it would make sense something that would go out at night and
surveil, But now they have Why would they do that when they have drones.
The drones can do all that. Well, the time barriers you were
talking about, I would be very delful that that aircraft is still flying,
but a specific time and parry during the Cold War and the technology at the
time, that type of aircraft, that type of persistent capability. Remember,
we didn't even have the ability to really downlink the imagery very well until the
Wall into the eighties, were still very dependent on well in the seventies,
all the way into the early eighties we were actually dropping film canisters out of
our satellites that had to be caught in the air. Then the ability to
send those pictures down by radio technology, and now that's been replaced by still
using a radio wave, but you're packing more information. I mean, just
the fact that we have the kind of Wi Fi capabilities that we have now.
These are the fruits of the labor to be able to have secure links
and to send an information out. So yeah, the airship version of this
fit and Spike. It was the last name of the author. He was
pretty famous through the seventies and eighties. He did a lot of research Aviation
Week and it was one of the ones aircraft that he he didn't have definitive
proof, but he had a pretty good postulation of what was happening there,
and it was that mix in there. But you said when we were off
there before we came on that you did have an experience up in Maine,
and I'm convinced that we between where you and I live is a major routing
structure that flies back and forth and uses the tanker fleet that's in this area.
Yes, I personally didn't see that. I didn't see that object that
I told you about, but my girlfriend basically did see it. You know.
She said it was tiny, because she said it was tiny because it
was up so high. But she said it had she said it. I
think she said it had five lights with one in the center, and it
was shaped like a like a boomerang or triangle type of thing. And that
was, like I said, that was way overhead. It may have just
been a plane in the way the lighting was on the plane. You know,
I'm not sure it did you think the way she describes that, And
I'd love her to see a picture off to send you the sketch when I
dig it up. I have a a offline, offline print graphic artist that
does a lot of the T shirts and other stuff of the show, plus
other work related stuff. And he drew me because he's very talented, because
he can sketch and he can take, you know, the scratching should come
in with, and he'll build the artwork for your everything from the decals to
the car wraps to the T shirts. And he drew a very classical picture.
And his theory he's a longtime resident of Maine as well, is that
this is a technology that why would be flying here because we have a major
engine manufacturer that's in the area, and we have a fairly isolated part of
the country. And I think a lot of times, I know that we
would do operations in Europe when I was stationed there just to partially gauge how
the public will react, how the civilian pop us reacted to our presence being
there as a way to how effective we were to moving or cover and a
lot of times, if somebody else was doing something of very sensitive nature,
other aircraft would be out there drawing your attention. So why everybody's looking up
at the sky and seeing large formations of aircraft moving A very small set of
helicopters is moving in to go do a mission in in a sensitive area.
And those days it was East and West Germany. I can leave most of
that to your imagination to figure out how that was going on. I effectually
referred to those days as Mad Magazine Spy versus Spike, because I seemed to
be the playbook. It was a lot of fun, and luckily it never
turned anything more serious than being serious about our work. Uh huh wow.
Interesting. So what do you think that? Well, let's circle back,
all right, we talked about Starts to the Academy. Give me your take
on that release in December and the videos that have come out since them.
Well, I've had Leslie came on my show a number of times. And
also I was one of the people that got to and I view Ralph Blumenthal,
who was one of the co authors of that particular viral. I guess
nothing went viral more than that. For in the UFO field, nothing's gone
quite like that. I think there's over a hundred news shows on that alone,
in particular, all over you know, every So I think it was
great that got out there. I think that I think that it's helped in
a lot of ways, has helped more people that were on the fence maybe
take a serious look. And that's what we need. And I've spoken to
both Leslie and Ralph Blumenthal, and Ralph says, hold on, there's more
more to come, and he will be on my show again, but he
says, we have to you know, we're working with the New York Times
and there's going to be more released. Now. Did I give you an
explanation why it's coming out so slowly in the age that we live in.
I mean, I understand if it's going to be for some kind of a
profit generated part of it, you know. I mean that's that they have
to make money. They have to sell papers, they have to sell their
their their news. But what's the explanation of what's your summation of why it's
taken me so much time? I would say it's more of my summation,
and that is that I think they're just trying to keep it alive and so
it just doesn't fade away like you know, it's such an ephemeral society now,
and I don't know if you're watching the news, but there's so many
dramatic things on the news all the time, and it's yesterday's news instantly,
you know, it fades away. I still think that a lot of people
actually witnessed one of those TV shows or news shows about the Pentagon release,
and I think I think it is you know, when I've brought the topic
up to I would say, people outside of the UFO field, did you
see that, you know, the Pentagon released the fact that they've been looking
into, you know, UFOs, whether they're a threat or not. And
a lot of people saw that. It really got it really got a lot
of people's attention. So I think, personally think that it was a really
good, real good thing. And I think that, like I said,
it's going to have more people taking it serious. People that were on the
fence about looking into it may start looking into it, and there's going to
be less ridicule. And for instance, this Arizona, I don't know if
you caught this Arizona sightings of the FA The FAA actually released the recordings of
the pilots talking about seeing this UFO overhead that wouldn't have happened Prior to the
New York Times article coming out. The FAA has been real guarded about any
UFO material getting out there that they have any thing to do with. So
I think it's it's a good thing overall, all right, I I guess
I'm gonna I'm gonna beg to differ with you because the age that we live
in, I don't understand why you have to drag it out as slow as
they have to drag it out. We were living in it, we're living
I mean, people do not go to the I know that the vast majority
of people still pick up their news by looking at the three primary media networks,
but they were a big part of this story. And the print media
is not print anymore. It's print with everything that's online. To the Stars
Academy has the ability to put a lot of information out in depth with explanation
with podcasts. I can understand if you're trying to build interest, and you're
trying to do that, but this is not a movie that anybody's going to
wait to see if you continue to drag it out. In my opinion,
for people that are believers, people that are listening tonight to this show and
go to your podcast to see that we're already in the belief, we're looking
for something to help substantiate it. So I don't understand what the theory is
on how slow to go and why it's a two or three minute clip and
there's no explanation, there's no there's no briefing that goes with their clip about
I know a little bit about that part, and that is Lewis Alasando that
was heading that project for the Pentagon, who you recently retired, said that
there is footage before and after that, but it's not unclassified. And I
think perhaps that maybe part of the deal is maybe we're getting fed this.
It's not just like the New York Times and these authors hanging onto what they
know and to the stars hang on to what they know. Perhaps it's a
trickle down from the being released from the Pentagon. I don't know, or
if they didn't even want to bother with it. I'm I'm gonna give you.
We're coming up to our next break, so I'm going to give you
a lead into our next party. One of the stories you're referred to,
we had an unidentified object Arizona came over through Oregon, went its way back
towards Idaho. A very good friend of the show, Tyler Roegaway the Warzone
dot Com. He broke the story, he did the work, he did
freedom of information. He's a two man shop. He's got a partner.
They they uncovered more information, they released more now they didn't release any video
data that went with it because there really wasn't any video data to go.
There wasn't any hud film from the f fifteens that did that. But he's
got all the conversations, he got all the transcripts. He turned that around
in a matter of a week and continue to continue to break it down,
followed up with it what I consider pretty decent journalism. I understand that this
is a sensational pile up that you have and you're going to release that info.
But the two of them don't stand side by side telling me that you
have classified information on the front part of a video classified information and then the
other part. And then you have the commander that was flying the aircraft on
all the Amazing News network and then he disappears. Doesn't add up to me.
There's something that doesn't link up. So I'm gonna hold you on that
one. This is a Task Force Griffin on KGr Radio KGr dot com.
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for the final segment to speak with both of you above that. Okay,
awesome. Now where'd you send that bill? Because I didn't see it comin.
I send it to you individually. M okay, that's why. Yeah,
didn't want to confuse the conversation that was going on with you guys.
So we got three minutes. Three minutes. Oh excellent, all right,
I'm gonna look through the chat room again and see if we have anything here
for questions. UM, let's see interesting what you're I have a moderator on
there that deleted something, so there was something going on there. Oh yeah,
they want to know have you saw, oh witness anything you already talked
about that? Oh? Oh I'm sorry, Wait a minute, were you
ever briefed into top secret programs that Martin eight tell you one. Uh,
no, I haven't been, I think obviously now you said someone on your
on your side of your podcast. Yeah, they're asking asking if you wherever
briefed in. I understand, all right, well so yeah, so while
we're waiting, there's quite a few. I did carry a top secret clearance.
It's not active anymore. It's because I'm working with a project that requires
it. Much of the very sensitive, especially when you were moving troops.
When I was working in places like Kosovone, Iraq, you had to be
very careful how you were right into programs and pieces because of other components that
were going on around that. What people think, and I'm pretty sure what
the question is driving at a lot of people think because you have a clearance
that you can go and look and see things. No, it does not.
How it works, and there's a very strong part of keeping things in
compartments, or a need to know, as it's sometimes referred to in the
movies and television, that you have to be part of a project to go
do that. I try to explain to a good friend of mine that there
are probably people that are young enlisted to have more knowledge and have seen more
things because of the areas where they were in and how they were handling large
amounts of information than many the rest of us that you know held higher position
or higher rank. It's just it's a matter of where you're at. But
yes, ye had all those classified briefs. Still go every now and then
to have my recurrency to make sure that I'm doing what I'm supposed to and
most of my secrets. So the things I've seen were sensitive information regarding ops
or some kind of capability that we're going to build, or some way that
we were actually able to do what we were doing work wise. All right,
gentlemen, we're coming back in about fifteen seconds. Okay, I'm in
three two one. Welcome back to Task Force Griffin I KGr Radio, KGr
Radio dot Com. My guest tonight, mister Mark and willis a fellow maniac,
a connoisseur of antiquities or antiques, depending on what part of Maine you're
in. That's right. We've been moving around the map here a little bit,
the black triangles sighting like a couple of questions I would need to clean
up here that I've I've let slide a little bit where your significant others said
that she had seen the black triangles that was in Maine. Correct, that's
right. It wasn't a black triangle. All she saw was a triangle formation
of white since she said it was tiny and way up high. Okay.
And then you talked about a triangle vehicle in North Carolina. One of our
listeners frequents between Maine and North Carolina, and she was, is where that
was? Did you know the location of where that was? It was the
one that had the beam of light that came out that you were describing,
right, I can find that out really quickly. Actually, Lee Spiegel is
the one who experienced that, and he's been actually texting me, so I
will. When we take a break here, I'll text him and find out
that location. If she wants to hang in. She's right at the tip
of my tongue. But I can't think of the exact location of where that
happened. And that story goes on. There was a police officer that and
another town over that was jumped out of his car, pulled his flashlight out
of his trunk and flashed his light at it, and the thing flashed back
at him, which is pretty bizarre. I wouldn't have ever been brave enough
to do that. Well, I had people that would do things like that
when I was flying helicopters, and we would flash back as well, and
people get pretty excited. In fact, I remember we had a piece of
equipment on one of the earl helicopters. I flew that you could actually talk
on CB radios. And I'll just take this quick aside. We're out in
the in the west. It was in New Mexico, and we started talking
and those when CB was the height of it, it was at a zenith
of its cultural implications. And this guy didn't believe. He says, if
I'm talking to the big helicopter that's flying along, I ten fly over to
the other side of the highway. Swap sides of the highway. So we
flew over the other side of the highway. Well that was it, you
know, Oh my god, everybody now wanted to talk to the big helicopter.
And one poor helicopter, I mean one poor truck that we got close
to because of the kind of power that that system had. I think it
caught his CB radio on fire because it was smoking. I think it.
I think it overpowering because of the amount of wattage that that because it was
designed to work on the battlefield and when you one of those frequency ranges.
So we stopped doing that after that. No more community engagement that way.
That's not That wasn't good cricket back in the day, but it was a
lot of fun. I'll never forget the enthusiasm and their voice when they could
not believe that we switched over to the other side. And I've had kids
shoot bought of rockets at the helicopter, and I've chased them around with the
helicopter. You know, can only imagine the stories later on. Well,
I digress of goad sir. Well, now, the thing that's really dangerous
as the laser pointers. Yeah, I was zapped many an evening interact with
lasers. And of course the thing I always wonder in there is is it
actually connected to a weapon or are they just trying to get you in the
ice? So wow, wow, that's scary. You know. Along the
same lines, I don't know, have you ever heard of the father guilt
case? It sounds familiar, but I'm not recalling the exact figures. Yeah,
that was back in nineteen sixty two and it was God, I can't
remember exactly where it was. I wanted to say, but Zimbabwe, but
it wasn't. It was m anyway. He was outside. They were outside
and they saw these first. I think they saw four craft. It looked
like one was repairing another one. And they kept seeing this. Um craft
would show up. And one night they were outside and there it was,
and there was actually looked like beings on top of the craft, and so
the they waved, they waved at him, and the beings whatever they were,
waved back. This is all according to father Gil and j Allen Heinik
from Project Bluebook looked into that case and thought there was really something there was.
They also had a situation with a flashlight. One of them took a
flashlight they called it a torch, I guess, and and moved it back
and forth and the craft moved back and forth, which was pretty bizarre and
exciting. Yeah, yes, it's a pretty interesting case. So let's let
me ask you a couple cases that I think always seem to make our turns.
Give me your thoughts on the Rendelsheim Woodbridge Airbase, England, that famous
involvement there. Well, I consider that my own personal in the top five
of the UFO encounters. Myself. I've talked to a number of people that
were involved, that were there. Charles Holt, I talked to him now
and then I had him on my show a number of times. And I
think it's a legit case. And if anyone's ever listened to the audio recording
that he made, you know during the encounter, there's a long version of
that. He didn't even know. I remember he told me he didn't even
know how that actually got out online when it first did. But that whole
case, I think, you know, there's a lot of controversy. There's
some uh, there's a little bit of you know, convoluted tales between the
different people. There there was some friction. Um, Larry Warren is kind
of pushed out of the topic a little bit right now, Peter Robinson.
Larry Warren did the book Left at Eastgate. I believe that's called that,
and so there was there was some issues going on with that. But overall,
that case is amazing. Happened in nineteen eighty over a period of a
few days. And you know, when I've talked to I've sat and you
know, just had a discussion with Charles Holt about you know, what he
saw and the way the craft looked like an eyeball, sort of like dripping
molten through the woods, you know, kind of going zigzagging between the trees
and then it bursts into five lights. I mean, I love those bizarre
stories, and I've heard I actually I'm going to have someone on my show
that I was in a hotel last week. I'll just say this briefly,
and I was filling out paperwork and I'm to be brief. We got plenty
of time, I know, but I'm going to have her on my show,
so I don't want to spoil it for my losses too much, but
it's a long this. You know, she saw a very similar thing.
I'm going to actually call her during my show and have her tell her story
because I loved to hear stories of people that don't really have an interest in
UFOs, but something happened. And you know, when I've talked to Charles
Holt about that, he'll say, you know, I wish it never happened.
I wish it was not part of my life. It's caused me more
grief than anything else. And I believe him. I think he really feels
that way very well. I will tell listeners that know my show to check
out a couple of those pieces with the Ross Sharpe, who was a officer
and a aero engineer in the ARIF, retired from the Royal Air Force,
and he has a very interesting take on just the background behind the physical area
of the Rendelsheim forst that part of England, the bases, the underground facilities
that are there, the extensive underground facilities that are there. Very interesting take
from someone who's originally from England. I'll listen the States very good friend,
very good friend of the show. So there's some interesting parts and pieces to
that. I will also note that when mister Lair was on the show,
that is the event that made him a believer because he had a friend that
someone he knew, a ten pilot that was stationed in Bentwaters, which is
the other connecting area, the other connecting base in that area, who relayed
to Bill all the activity that was going on in the lockdown that they were
in and the night, you know, the three or so nights that they
were going through these for an activity levels, and John just knew that this
man was as straight as it came. There was just no reason for him
to be interested. And when he brought these facts out and told him he
was, he was intrigued and that's what sent him on the path that he's
on in UFO discovery and research on his part interesting case. I've had the
Ramsey's on a number of times. They're connected with the Aztec UFO. I
think it's probably the best researched UFO event in the United States. I think
their work is, bar none, the best that's out there. What's your
take on their research and on that particular incident. Um Actually, you know,
I've I'm kind of on the fence on that one, only because I've
heard a number of people um stating that they think that basically it's a hoax.
So I don't know, you know, I know that they have done
a lot of, you know, in depth research, but I just don't
know how how accurate it is. And I don't want to make enemies on
this show or enemies of friends of your show. But I've heard some mixed,
you know, a lot of mixed stories on that particular case, and
I don't really know what to believe. There are a number there are a
few cases out there that I that I have felt that way about you know,
in that one, how about the ore most famous of the UFO cases,
Broswell, that always seems to come up. Um, I think that
something happened there. There's a I don't know exactly what happened. I know
there's a I've talked to mc maloney and he says he doesn't think anything happened
there other than you know what the Air Force is saying. But you know,
the Air Force did lie five times on on what actually happened. You
know, it's it's possible. It is possible it could have been something like
the Mogul that they said it was. But I think there's there's just too
much of smoke there to say that it was just you know, a military
operation, because for one thing, you know a lot of people have made
the argument that everything that they used in those Mogul balloons was you know,
unclassified and nothing unusual. You know, whether it's a string of balloons would
make the total difference. I don't know, but I think something happened.
And the question I always asked people that are totally skeptic of it is why
unearthed withoud the Air Force ever release for the newspapers that they found a disc
in the first place. I mean, it's very simple, like if they
didn't find one or if it was something else to say absolutely nothing. Why
did they have the press release that they had found a disc there are a
craft at all? Why would they do that and what's your thoughts on that?
Particularly? I am a believer on the Aztec because of the level of
research that has been done by the Ramseys and doctor there. I'm convinced of
its legitimacy. That's the vehicle did crash there. There's too many parts and
pieces that when you look at their extensive I mean they have laid out a
case of legal type finding and fact and they keep opinion out of it.
The roswell thing I tend to follow into Mac's camp that there's a lot of
stuff that's there, and I'm wondering if if they had a set pack the
three balloons together. I find interesting because of the possibility of it being a
surveillance or a weapon system. As the Cold War is just starting up,
the Japanese sailed numbers of balloons out of Japan trying to start fires, and
they were prepared to put biological agents into into the mainland the United States and
Canada by balloon delivery. They were they were ready to do that, they
had tried. And there's a couple of small cases where there was I think
believe a school teacher was killed when students on a field trip in Oregon found
one of the balloons that had crashed that had the incendiary devices to set the
woods on fire. And I've seen that activity that's come up in other ways
like it. So the part about the disc doesn't fit real well. But
I have been in enough just kind of day to day operations where there has
been a mishap and the way that information gets transmitted and passed initially, things
will get that screwed up. I mean, you'll have people that are reported
as as killed when they're not. You'll have just a grievous amount of damage
when it's not that way in vice versa, where you don't think anything bad
has happened. So I can understand the confusion on that I tend to have.
I guess a more sinister are a sneaky suspicion that somebody pretty early on
realized because of everything that happened under the development of the atomic bomb, the
fallout they'll pun intended. It really wasn't an intended part of it, but
from that program, the amount of secrecy, the amount of people that were
involved, and all the other activities that were going on around at that same
time in that area of Roswell, in that particular part of the region of
the United States. So I think that there is a good case for to
go through it. And I think it also was a very telling case that
the government, the Air Force learned very quickly that the press could be a
very useful tool for disinformation, and I think it's a very good case of
disinformation. And how that went and how it went forward from there, well,
I could see I understand where you're going with that. One of the
questions were that came up that the Air Force lied about, and it was
a very obvious lie, was that there were a number of people that say
they witnessed bodies, small bodies, and then the Air Force came out with
they thought it was that there were crash test dummies that were actually know parachuted
and that didn't hold water because they didn't start using them until nineteen fifty two.
So that was an other lie, and it just just the fact that
there was wise from the Air Force about what was going on. I understand
what you're saying. Maybe they covered up that way, but still when it
comes to you know, people stating that they saw you know, figures in
the desert, and you know some there was I think some saying that one
was alive, you know that type of thing. Yeah, I don't know.
The one thing I think about Roswell. I think is interesting about Roswell
is that it's becoming almost like a myth. And it has to do with
as time goes on, there's so much, you know, there's the annual
event, and there's you know, people really like dressing in costumes, and
it's getting you know, out there with the tinfoil hats, and I think
it's kind of all muddied up and eventually is going to just be something celebrated.
No one will even have any answers because all the people that were involved,
all the witnesses now are either dead or there's only I think there's only
a couple left that actually claimed they saw something, which I know, you
know, Stan Friedman started and then Don Schmidt and Carrie We're doing you know,
interviews with people that claim they witnessed things I think it's an interesting case.
It's certainly it's not resolved, and I, you know, I sort
of have mixed feelings about it, but I think something happened. And I'm
not sure if what you're talking about is what the answer is or not.
I really don't know. Turning towards New England the Hills, what do you
think of their case? I think it's very interesting. Before we go there,
just quickly for your listener that was in North Carolina that Lee text me
that location of that town was Lumberton. Lumberton, North Carolina. That's where
they have you. Uh huh oh yeah. Um. The Betty and Barney
Hill case, I think it is pretty interesting. I know of the niece,
Kathy Martin fairly well. We talked a bit in a very nice lady.
Um. I think that. Oh and by the way, the last
time I had her on my show, she actually broke down. She was
upset that she broke down on camera actually out in Phoenix when I had her
on the show. Because of what Betty and Barney had gone through. It
was very traumatic for them and it was very sad and they just didn't know
where to turn once the story got out. They didn't leak the story.
The story got out and they had to decide. She said she was right
there when they made the decision to either you know, run for it or
face it. And they decided to face it. And that really was very
emotional time. Um and you know, really upset Kathy to think about their
situation at the time. They did go through a lot of grief that case.
I know a lot of people or some people think that it never happened,
or that you know, something happened and they saw the light up on
the mountain instead they saw the Jack and lantern at the Jack Lantern restaurant instead
of um, you know, a craft. There's a lot of people,
you know, trying to put holes in it. I think it's I think
something happened along with you know, some other cases that are um, you
know really uh, you know, well known, they seem like they're out
there. For instance, the Alagash case. I think something really happened there
too. I don't know if you've looked into that yourself, but that is
quite I agree with on the Alagash case, there's enough there. Might you
made the remark about the tin fall hat so a little bit tongue in cheek
as I say this, but there's nothing wrong with putting tinfoil in your hat.
And some of the best teachers I've had, some of the best sources
of information, some of the most candid people I've been with, have been
the least formally educated folks that you can imagine. So I understand what the
remark means, and I do laugh with it because it's it's part of our
culture and it's part of the phenomena that goes on with that. But it's
sort of like that expression, just because you are apparently doesn't mean they're not
after you. Okay, that there is you know, there is that part
of it, you know, al ash, Yeah, there's definitely. There's
just too much that happens that I don't understand. There are I will not
go into depth of folks that have presented stuff that they've talked about and they
have nothing to substantiate or way to back it up. I believe that they
believe what they're saying. I believe that they've had some kind of an experience
and this is what they've connected to. This is what they're saying it is.
So on that same line, this is what I want to drive to
Miss Lazar, what do you think of him in his claims from Area fifty
one. You know the best part of Bob Lazar is George Napp. I
know that sounds kind of funny, but I think the world of George Knapp.
He's very very good broadcaster first of all, but also a very good
journalist and takes a lot of caution. That's the only type of validity that
I could possibly see. Now. I know there are so many holes in
how he got his education, and he probably did not go to MT like
he said, because you know, at a live interview someone asked him,
well, what's the monument outside of MIT or what's the square? And he
couldn't answer that and everybody that would ever go there would absolutely know that question.
So whether he somehow got in to Area fifty one without having the education,
I don't know. I know Stan Freedman's looked into his childhood, you
know, schooling, and I will say this, there's absolutely no doubt about
it that Bob Lazarre is highly intelligent. But whether he actually when his story
falls apart, and he actually did not go to these schools that he says
he went to. Being a fine art and antiqua praiser. We come across
a lot of fakes, and once we come across a fake and a house.
For instance, if I'm doing an appraisal and I'm in a house and
I see a fake pay and right away I can tell it's a fake.
Sometimes you have to do a lot of research before you can tell. But
everything is suspect. And that's how I feel about the MJ twelve documents.
That's how I feel about um Bob Blazar, Like, once there are some
untruths that are uncovered, how can you possibly believe the rest of it?
You know? That's kind of how I feel. M Do you think that
we have alien extraterrestrial aliens living amongst us? Now? In my gut,
my gut feeling is I don't think so. But that's only an opinion I
think. I think there's a lot of people that really do think that,
but I don't. I'm not feeling it, you know, I just think
that it would be a little too obvious. But okay, I'm not ruling
it out totally. It's just a no. I mean, I don't no
rational I don't think any ready reasonable rule any of it out. I mean,
it's just fairy to you know your state, you're how you which you
surmise based on what your your experience has been. Okay, I'm getting the
flash that we're coming up to the end of this block. Mark D'Antonio is
going to join us on the on the next part that should be fun.
Um, do you think this year eighteen going into nineteen, we're going to
see the major breaker that's going to put the evidence on on the world stage
that we are not the only beings that we have been visited. We've had
encounters that this this UFO, the exterrestrial part of it is is true.
Um, I think that we are. By the way, Um, Lee
Spiegel just texts me he thinks that aliens are living among us, so's that
he's listening to the show. I think that I think it's very possible,
because I think, if nothing else that that New York Times article and Alasando
and to the people like to the Stars. There's a lot of little this
kind of bashing about them out there. But I think that it's possible.
I think they've opened up the door to at least a serious look, and
I keep feeling like we're on the edge of discovering life out there somehow somewhere.
I feel like we're very close to that, and I hope I see
that in my lifetime, but I don't know for sure. You're listening to
Task Force Griffin on KGr Radio KGr radio dot Com. My guest tonight,
mister Martin Willis, been an unbelievably fast ninety minutes here that we've gone by
here, that's right, and were returning for our last block. Mark d
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the planet, Please join us. Three minutes clear. All right, let's
get Mark on and speedy recovery. I hope that Lee Spiegel is doing better,
because I know he was under the weather for a bit. Yeah.
Yeah, he's doing He's doing good. Good, Yeah, he's doing good.
Yeah. Mark, I'll see if I get Mark and video, I'll
squeeze me over here and let's see. Let's see if Mark has his video
updi Mark, do you got video capability right now so we can share it
on on Martin Willis's YouTube. I wish I did. I don't hang on,
let me see if I can camera and Mark be ready? Were hot?
The YouTube channels is acting. Yeah, yeah, we're actually going over
YouTube. How are you doing? Mark Good? How you doing Martin Good?
I know we've been texting back and forth, but I haven't talked about
yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, you don't tech me. Thanks.
I need to see where I stand. He doesn't. Exactly, that's exactly
right. No, no, um, Martin H and I were talking because
there was a possible show that we were I was supposed to be or asked
to be got part of. But uh, they didn't. They didn't pursue
it. You know, they wanted to. They only want to, but
it didn't matter. You know. It's like so many things going on.
It's okay, let me see here. How do I get this? Uh,
I'm all dud it up for you. By the way, Oh,
look at you. That's you know, that's usually the photograph I see.
That's a moving picture. That's you. That is so cool. Look at
you. Wow. I'm going to look while you're doing that. I'm going
to look in the chat room to see if we have any questions in there.
But I continue on you too, if you'd like. Yeah, I'm
trying to. We don't need much of an invitation to get into our fur
ball. That's uh huh how you've been feeling their role? Man? Are
you talking to Bill? Oh? I'm fine, I'm doing right. So
uh Bill, where's uh we're saying? How can I get my video on
this camera to work? Have to start this all over here with Skype or
what Well, you may have to go to tool options settings and oh you
just simply take the line out of the camera the video USB. Yeah you
should be. Let me see. Just make sure this video setting is okay.
Oh, look it's gonna work. Okay, So now I'll just say,
um, at least am I in? Is it working now? Yeah?
Yeah, you don't say it? Okay, hold on, I shouldn't
take the little line out of the video part on the call. Yeah,
yep, you're right. I can see it now. I gotta turn it
on. Okay, So it was there. I just had to do this.
Yeah, alright, alright, some espens here. Yes, I'm a
little tiny picture. I'm using a document reading webs webcam that I actually use
in the observatory for just like a little insect camera about that size. Actually,
gentlemen, we're coming back in about ten seconds. I might have to
switch back and forth between you two very nice. Can't seem to get both
of you on. Okay, okay and three two one go. Welcome back
to Task Force Griffin on KHR Radio, Kajar Radio dot com. My guest
night, Mark Wallace, just been joined by by next guest, Mark D'Antonio,
who we all know follows this show in a few minutes with his outstanding
efforts. You folks that are on YouTube and hearing the getting us set up
in the background, so a lot of the mystery, a lot of the
intrigue has been left on the floor, if you hear. I was trying
to get everybody stuff on and insect cameras and aces of spades being thrown around
and things like that. Good evening both you, gentlemen. Thank you for
joining us and talking to the greatest audience on the planet. Mark, I
know Martin already, correct, I do. Martin's a good friend. Yeah,
and thank you for allowing me to basically cut in on his time here
to night. Well, it's really it's up to Martin. He was very
excited that knowing that you wanted to jump on and we love your show,
and oh I love yours. Always fun well, thank you, it's always
fun together. It's a love fest. Yeah, yep, and that's not
a bad thing. Yeah. So let me ask you both a quick couple
questions where you think things are at m I am I'm I'm torn between two
parts some of the guests that I've had on I'm convinced that in this year
eighteen going into nineteen, we're going to have a major breakthrough in truth or
information and it's going to be around our UFO extraterrestrial and other and our other
activities. It could be something in just in the area of technology. When
we left the last section, Martin, you kind of thought that that possibilities
there. I don't want to put words in your mouth. What do you
both think about that? Do you think that we're at this point that we're
that the pressure is building to the point now that I think the reason that
we are in the difficulty we're in is we got so used to lying and
got used to lying in the name of national security. And that's an easy
label to throw on. I mean, the times that we've been living through,
probably for the last ten fifteen years, a lot of bad things have
happened. Put the stamp on it national security, and that's the reason why
you try to bury it. I'll let you think. I think makes the
truth coming out very difficult because we now live in an age that you can
go back and find out, well, we knew this for twenty years,
thirty years, forty years. Actually, I do have something I can say
about that, Commander. I really like your love your helmet. Man,
that's great. It's just great anyway, And yeah, they very good.
Boy, you might get one, Oh you kidding me. I'd love to
just try one on. Yeah, now the tank your question. I know
for a fact, and this was just from my experience that there were some
really weird things that I have witnessed, you know, in my life.
You know, I'm a science guy. So again I've said this often enough
that people will say, yeah, yeah, you're saying this again. But
you know, these things don't happen to me. Until they do, then
what do you do with it? You know, you've got to do something
with what you experienced. So in my case, you know that I had
that experience when I was on board that submarine and I can't shake that.
And that was something that was secretive back then. Program that was continuing from
years past, and it continued to be enforced for many years after that.
I think because it was many years after that when I actually talked to the
folks and the higher ups in the Navy who basically worked directly for the president,
and I asked them, you know, I asked one particular guy,
you know, what can you tell me about that? And he basically said
he can't talk about that program. Now, he could have said what program,
I don't know what you're talking about, but he didn't. He said,
I can't talk about that particular program. I thought that was an interesting
response because that was him saying, I'm not going to tell you anything,
but by not saying anything, I'll say in a way that will make you
understand it's still going on. I'd love to tell you about it. Can't
kind of a thing, you know, that's it's something there there is,
And that was something that I kind of always knew in my head. The
Russians came out and said that there were these unknown submerged objects moving at high
speed underwater. Other navies have said that these things have been out there.
You know, I don't. I make no bones about the fact that I
have no idea what they really are are. The extraterrestrial well, we tend
to leap toward that, don't we. You know, we crossed a wide
gulf, you know, going by all the other potential possibilities, and leap
into aliens all the time. You know, we see the Georgio memes,
you know that says it's aliens, you know. But the fact is we
don't know what it is, and the fact that we don't know what it
is lead us down the path that might take us to that position because we
don't know of anything on the planet that can do what we see. So
that's where I leave it. I say, I don't know what it is,
but it's something that we don't understand. And Commander, do you mind
if I ask my mind? If I ask Mark a questions? Not so
so Mark being an astronomer. The question I have for you as if there
is in fact, possibly billions of planets out there, possibly even in our
system, that maybe harboring intelligent life. Just say, if there is,
why on Earth would we be so special that they would be here visiting us?
Why would you think that would happen? Well, if you go back
to Samaria, you know, ancient Samaria, and you you consider the Cuneiform
language, which was pretty much the first written history that you know, Homo
sapiens started to keep track of. You find that we've been around, in
that case, historically keeping records for about five thousand years. We don't count
the cave pictographs and the petroglyphs pecked into cliffs and stuff like that. I
mean, I do, but I mean in this particular case, let's just
for the record just state that I'm going to take it from say cuniform forward.
So from that point of view, if you look at if you look
at what happened, you know in that five thousand years, we were bred
to be a very curious species. We evolved to be very curious. We
wanted answers. Why why does a species evolve and need to look for answers?
Why does the species care where they come from? Okay, this is
something that you know, I don't have an answer for. But the one
thing I can say is this may might be a template that the universe provides
for based on how we were built from these amino acids, these particular chemistry
that came together the DNA deoxyribin clinic acid that we're all made of. Maybe
this is something that has in it within it a template of sorts. Okay,
As an example, all higher life forms on this planet have bilateral symmetry
in the way that they interact with their world. Their internal organs are arranged
all differently, but they have symmetry in the outside they interact with their world.
Well, that's a template. See, that's what I'm getting at.
That's a template provided by the universe and the way their life formed on this
planet, that all these higher life forms will have that type of symmetry.
We didn't have to have symmetry. I mean, why don't we have pogo
stick coles bo boing boing boing hopping around pastures. We don't because the symmetry
is required. It's somehow required for life. So that's what I mean by
template. So if there's a template for the way life develops, then maybe
there's a template for the way the beings think. So if we're gonna go
and look for life elsewhere because we're curious, then I suspect that there's other
beings out there they are just as curious and are doing the same thing.
Now what would they look for? All right? We know food? When
I happen there's something to eat? Well, if they can cross, if
if they can cross the gulf between the stars, then eating is not one
of their big problems, okay, because they go so using your example,
people that take lair jets to fly a specific kind of tuna or beef from
one part of the globe to the other when they could get something locally grown,
you don't see that on an extra extraterrestrial scale. I think that we
have to talk about scale. Actually, we need to talk about the scale
of these events. If an extraterrestrial species is coming from say the nearest star
four point three light years away, the energy requirement to get here from there,
even with what we see now in our limited existence only you know,
five thousand years of tuneiform forward okay, written history. Okay, in that
timeframe, we see ways to defeat the speed of light as a light speed
as a speed light speed limit, right, So another race would also but
we see that there are stupendous amounts of energy that we'd require to do that
to actually beat that that limit. So another race would also have that,
and that technology would be very expensive because the energy would be a commodity in
any civilization where this becomes a thing. So you do have on this planet.
The ultrawealthy who might fly to Paris to have a steak and in wine
and then fly back to New York, okay, in their in their private
chet. But the scale of that travel, the cost of that travel,
is something that's absorbed within that person's wealth packet. Okay, that the ball
of wealth that one person, that one you know family has per se.
Okay. Now, an extraterrestrial species probably has to have gone planet wide and
have this consensus amongst everyone on the planet, every being that's intelligent, that
they're going to travel to another star, and to do that is going to
require stupendous amounts of energy, even if you're an advanced species, and you're
going to have to use some of that energy in order to do it.
I don't think they're going to travel here to take a Commander Cobra and make
him lunch, all right, Um, I mean I am an acquired taste,
but that doesn't neither really be set here at this I'm not gonna I
will. I will not go there. You've got you've got a will helmet
on, and you might not let me try it on if I don't you
know, you agree with you. But I just think that we have a
lot, there's a lot of considerations, and an alien species if they're curious,
if curiosity is also a template to life in the universe, then I
think an alien species is probably going to look for beings like themselves, all
right. And the reason they would look for beings like themselves is because of
the fact that that's what we do. And why should they be any different.
You know, they may not have the same morality as us, for
instance, and that could be possible. They might not have the same philosophies
of course, or the same cultural beliefs naturally, but they'll be different in
the same way that the Rapa Nui on Eastern Island were different to the Polynesian
island. There's the first time they found them, you know, that was
a very different, you know, very different meeting, for sure, you
know. So. And I think that the science is what stands between us,
our science level and their science level is what stands between us right now.
That separates us. If we have a if we have an acquired science
that we get to take us to the stars, then we're going to be
more one more uneven footing with them, and that maybe that maybe that's a
concern. You know, I might be concerned that these crazy beings are going
to come to my planet or come to my star system. But if they're
going to search for a life elsewhere, I think that they're going to look
for, um, the chemicals in the atmosphere that they need to live and
see if it's in our atmosphere. No, we evolved a carbon base,
and we evolved to breathe oxygen, So they're gonna look for planets that perhaps
have oxygen if they have the same developer. So we would stand out quite
easily actually, um as a planet surrounding a relatively normal star that has an
oxygenated atmosphere, because anytime you have oxygen in an atmosphere, it's really not
supposed to be there. Our planet has not been an equilibrium since life began
on this planet. It's actually in what's called disequilibrium. We don't have an
equilibrium setting on our planet. That's been met. Okay, the only way
back in the beginning when the Earth was first formed, but after the atmosphere
came along and most importantly life. You know these you know, three point
eight billion years ago, these cyanobacteria that started pumping oxygen into the atmosphere the
oceans, which started sucking up carbon dioxide, thus making the atmosphere thinner and
more palatable for more life forms. Still, and then in those oceans that
formed the plankton, the phytoplankton that began in there. Those are the along
with plants, with the main oxygen producers on the planet. So they keep
that level of oxygen falsely and artificially elevated way higher. And if they didn't
do that, then this plant, and it would that oxygen would of course
leach back it out into the soils. It would you know, oxydize many
things and go into the water and oxidize uh you know, uh elements in
the in the water and form all these these other chemistry, all this other
chemistry, and so the oxygen would eventually be depleted. So I'm gonna I
gotta throw a last two on you, because you know, rodeo is my
favorite sport, I know, really yeah, absolutely, bull riding. I
mean, if you want to talk a sport, that's the sport bull rdding.
The rest of that stuff is a waste of time. Now, but
that said, now, another facet of the jewel of Commander Cobra has been
revealed to the That is one. That's a heck of a gem. Let
me tell you. Um, I'm gonna I'm gonna take it around the wheelhouse,
all right. Do you believe in extraterrestrial life? Yes? No,
yes, yes, Martin, Uh that's a ten four yes. Okay,
that means yes, Commander. I don't know if you know that, yeah,
if you, if you were listening to the show, you would have
known. We had our little CB interlude when I was part of an Air
Force program inavertently frying CB radios on ten different story for a different time.
Kind of hush, hush, we don't want to talk about it. Classification
breaker one nine, breaker one nine. With that said, yep, back
to you, sir. Do you believe we have been visited? Am I
the sir? Yes, I think so, Yes, Okay, I wasn't
sure enough. Um well, um my feeling is that I think that it's
it's very possible. Okay, although I'm not the same thing. I'm done.
I'm not gonna say I think it's I think it's highly likely. I
can't say for certain, but I think it's highly likely. It makes more
sense than a lot of other um, a lot of other ideas, hypothesis
of what what's going on? Okay, great, I'm definitely much more in
the affirmative than the two of you. There's no doubt in my mind about
it. But I have nothing that I can point to as a definitive fact
on that. Well, that's how I feel too. Actually, I mean,
all right, do you back to our my earlier part of this question
that kind of lead this up. Do you think this is the time period
that we are going to our in our lifetimes, the remaining of our lifetimes,
if we have no projections, all those happy things, I expect my
two guests are going to have many, many more trips or complete trips around
the sun. That's what I hope for. Do you think it's going to
happen that we're going to get the word that we're going to get the evidence
everything from the day that the Earth stood still kind of moment to finally the
books will crack open in the files and yep, we did have the meeting,
Eisenhower did sit down with the aliens. That did occur, you know,
irrefutable written video proof. Do you think it's going to happen? Yeah?
Because I'm happy to defer if you want to go first. No,
no, I want you to go first. Okay, Um, I think
that it will not happen, and uh, you need an explanation because I'd
be happy to talk. We'll circle back, Martin, what do you think
you're basically so you're basically asking the question that we're going to have disclosure?
Is that is that we're gonna finally have the ear just unrefuted. It's it's
just going to be the evidence in any of those formats that I put out,
you know, the vehicle finally unmasked and it lands and it you know,
it's the the day the earthstra till still still type scenario, or you
know, the records that have been capped, the programs that have gone on,
the X files kind of thing that that's gone on occurs. I don't
think that it's going to have any thing to do with our government. Like
a lot of people have bought into like and are working hard. Like Steve
Bassett's job. I brought him up a few times. I don't think that
we're going to have government disclosure that we have aliens visiting or have visited.
But I think that it may reveal itself sooner or later. I don't know
if it's going to be in my lifetime or not. So I think that's
I think that eventually that will happen. It will reveal itself that they are
here. All right. I got a question from the chatwoman. I'm going
to add a little bit to it. Do both of you think that human
beings are from Earth, that they evolved from the Earth as a whale but
it or do you believe that we were planted here, seated, or a
combination where there's been some kind of alteration. I'll take this one. Oh
well, because I've been I've been communicating with Lee Spiegel and on this,
and I wanted to bring this up. When I was in high school,
I wrote an essay in English and I actually got an a on it,
which was a real occasion in the language English or was it in English class
which was going in English? Both? It was English. Yeah, Park
was going to ask. I could see him just he was getting ready to
come right through the screen. Now he was going to put oh no,
not me, no. So I basically said, of the reason that there
are so many different races and they're so different around the world is because we
were seated by extraterrestrial I actually wrote that in high school. I forgot all
about it until I met I met someone that cloud, an insurance agent of
mine, a broker, who said that when he was in Vietnam he actually
worked in a special special part of the Air Force that studied UFOs. And
I remembered it then because I said to him, why are they here?
And I said, you know, when I was in high schoo I wrote
this essay and I told him that, you know, we're possibly seated different
races to see how would get along. And he said, that's kind of
what the This is what he said. Okay, now I don't know.
I could never find him again, but he said, that's kind of what
the government thinks is thinks that we're more like a Petri dish. And I
think it was fascinating, you know, I mean, whether it's true or
not, I think it is a possibility, definitely that we are an experiment.
And that's what Lee Spiegel just text me, more or less, that
we're being watched to see how their experiment goes. I don't know, it's
possibly, wouldn't want to, I wouldn't. I sure hope we're not disappointing
them. I know I'm pretty disappointed when I see Mark the question to you,
your answers are well, my answer is kind of diametrically opposed. I
don't believe we were seated. Actually, I think that we are. I
think that you know, you don't have to you don't have to jump to
aliens to see what we have here as a normal outcome for the different environments,
the different continental uh, you know, arrangements to different materials and and
so forth, different amounts of sunlight. I think that the thing that's most
important here is that all you have to do is well, lick your forearm.
Okay, here we go. Hey, you look your forearm. Okay,
what do you taste? Don't don't be funny now. Okay, what's
the thing about your body? Okay? Your body is salty? Right right?
You have a salinity in your body. Do you know where that comes
from? That salinity? Yes, it's a vestigial ocean that we carry around
in this organ we call the skin because we were once in the ocean.
We when we evolved out of the ocean, we like turtles, carried the
water on our back effectively, except we called it, you know, skin
and we carry that vestigial ocean around with us every day, and we have
since we've evolved out of the ocean. That's why, that's why we have
that salinity in our skin, all right. Now. This is a This
is something that tells me that we evolved here. And I don't see any
reason to suggest aliens had some kind of hand in it. I think that
the planet and the life forms here are more than capable of evolving themselves.
Look at some of the other life forms that have evolved in this planet that
aren't human but our animal Some of these life forms have such an incredible evolutionary
tree. Well did nobody help them? Yet they went through this unbelievable turn
of events throughout their evolution and became what they are, all right, and
nothing helped them along the way. And that you have to you have to
literally jump to say every bit of the life forms, that every life form,
no matter what it is, and this planet was seated, and you'd
have to say that it was all of them or none of them. You
can't just say it was humans because that falls down on the fact that we
have this ocean within us that we carry, you know, So you would
have to have seeded life on this planet when there was just oceans on the
planet. And I can't answer whether that happened or not. But I just
know that evolution has its own course that it follows, uh not every destination,
and evolution is intelligence, as we obviously know. Well, I be
driven on any major road as a later been on public transportation. That statement
there, doctor, there's that, there's that, But that's my point,
okay, that you know, we don't need to leap to aliens. And
I believe that aliens exists. I believe that there's alien life and in fact,
I believe it might even be here. You know, we, like
I said, we're only five thousand years into our written history or so,
and you know, again not counting pictographs and petroglyphs. And from that position,
we can already see that we can defeat that light speed barrier, you
know, with some technology that that's bit over our horizon right now. But
because it's so favorable now, because it's come such a long way, there's
you know, Sunny White at NASA is investigating this throning el Kubiri drive,
which is the warp drive, right and they've got a funded lab to study
this. There's there's a reason for that. It's not because they just want
to play around with this cool little thing that could never happen. They're playing
around with us because they think it's actually the way to the stars. And
that's it. With a civilization, it's basically five thousand, you know,
five thousand years old in its written history. Okay, so we've got to
we make some really good leaps, and then we sometimes will stagnate for a
while, then we make some more leaps, you know, and the whole
question of reaching a certain point where it's a singularity, where we can't depend
on humans anymore. We have to go to machines to do something for us,
to take us that next step. That's certainly on its way, and
we've also faced that already a few times. So you know, we're already
facing down these these problems that some advanced species have have and we're doing this
on our terms, and we're absolutely able to do it, you know,
so far. So I'm convinced that we weren't seated. I'm convinced that we're
gonna find the technology to go to the stars, just as another race probably
did. Because we came along four point six billion years ago. Well,
the galaxy was here, uh you know, the universe rather was here over
nine billion years before that. So we know that there are planets out there
that are literally over twelve billion years old. Planets, all right, we
found them. So that that tells me that life existed from early early in
the universe, or life could have existed from early on in the universe,
and who knows how far they developed. See, well, Mark, you
really know how to burst the bubble, don't you. I'm not trying to
burst the bubble, I know. I'm just I'm just giving you a hard
time. Just well, you know what I told Commander to lick his forum.
If you want, you can lick your armpit. He can't with that
helmet on, though, you know he's he's yeah, yeah, no,
it was directing that to you. Mark. Now I I stopped at the
forearm. There's no reason to prove how flexible I am. But I could
get my head in the helmet to my armpit if I had to. That's
just not going to happen tonight. Too much too much information here, I
don't need that. Well, you're the one that started. I did,
I did, I did. I'm okay, I'm flying and he guess he's
he's talking to us from Connecticut with this attitude. Yeah, this is exact
course talking about. Yeah, that's exactly what I'm talking about. Hey kidding
me. I'm I used to go to Port Lyde Main every summer for for
the summer because that's where my family was. The entire town of port is
a relative yeah ye remember right, And now they're taking over by LLL.
Bean. My cousin's general store was bought by uh beans uh something or other
some woman there forgetting the first name. And then we're not gonna do We're
not going to discuss Bean because I'm not contribut to the capitalistic side of this
enterprise anymore. Although so that's that's it, all right, um, gentlemen,
We're down to our last two minutes. Mark's going to be rolling and
getting ready for his show, so let's uh, let's round the wheel here,
Martin. Obviously I'm gonna have to get you on again. This was
way too fast. It's a lot of fun, and I really enjoyed your
Martin flipped the tables on me like you Mark, uh you know, put
questions to me and had me answer stuff. So old habits die Hard.
Yeah, he's a hell of an interviewer, you know, Yeah, he's
he's got He reminds me of those guys the Stase when the East Germany was
East Germany. You know, well, you know he's he's got a great
interview style. Though nonetheless, okay he's not quite as bad okay as them
for sure. Okay, he's actually quite good. He smiles all like the
Stase guys at the gates when the cross in there. Well you have cigarettes?
Yes, yes, I have cigarettes. Do you make go? Then
your papists? They're not in order. Speaking of papers being in order,
we were joined by Mark D'Antonio, who's gonna have his show coming up.
Skytour will be on right after this. Shows going fantastic. You both have
great shows. I hope folks that when they're not to hear at Tesk Force
Griffin are taking advantage of the podcast and doing some live with you both.
I thank you both for being a guest tonight. Thank you, Commander Pleasure.
We'll have to do with this again. As ex lady likes to put
it in another three way. I'm not sure what she's talking about, but
she seemed to be pretty happy with it, and I think the facial expressions
said once again, I salute, thank you very much. It's been a
wonderful show with both you and to the greatest audience on the planet. Talk
to you again soon, hopefully next week. Hank typ