1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:05,879 Hello, it's Martin Willison. Welcome to the show. It's actually a prerecorded 2 00:00:05,919 --> 00:00:09,439 show. I'll tell you a little bit more about that later. I had 3 00:00:09,679 --> 00:00:16,559 a show planned with Grant Cameron this evening and I've been on vacation. This 4 00:00:16,600 --> 00:00:20,600 morning, I woke up in Philadelphia. I looked at the GPS, and 5 00:00:21,160 --> 00:00:24,800 my son and I decided if we left at a certain time that i'd be 6 00:00:24,839 --> 00:00:29,760 pulling in the dooryard at around six o'clock according to the GPS, which did 7 00:00:29,800 --> 00:00:35,240 not figure in traffic or rush hour or any of that. It's eleven o'clock 8 00:00:35,280 --> 00:00:40,039 at night right now. I just pulled in the dooryard. I contacted Grant 9 00:00:40,079 --> 00:00:46,479 Cameron earlier and we're going to reschedule, and I do apologize for that a 10 00:00:46,520 --> 00:00:49,960 couple of things. One of the things that I was going to announce is 11 00:00:49,960 --> 00:00:53,840 that Grant is going to be on the show right after me. He and 12 00:00:53,880 --> 00:00:59,640 I are both debuting next week on KGr A Radio. I'm going to be 13 00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:03,079 Tuesday at six to eight, and he's going to be on at eight to 14 00:01:03,159 --> 00:01:08,680 ten every Tuesday after that starts on June fifth. So that's one way you 15 00:01:08,680 --> 00:01:14,239 can catch the live show. I always mentioned for those who cannot support the 16 00:01:14,239 --> 00:01:19,439 show. Different ways to watch or listen watching a course on YouTube. You 17 00:01:19,480 --> 00:01:26,680 can listen now on KGRA radio as well as podcastufo dot com. I do 18 00:01:26,760 --> 00:01:30,239 want to thank the supporters. I was doing the math I don't know, 19 00:01:30,280 --> 00:01:34,120 a couple of weeks ago. It's about two and a half percent of all 20 00:01:34,159 --> 00:01:38,359 the listeners are the ones that support the show. So I really do thank 21 00:01:38,400 --> 00:01:42,879 you very much for supporting a show. Having a show producer does add several 22 00:01:42,959 --> 00:01:49,040 hundred dollars per month, so we are currently in the red. It would 23 00:01:49,079 --> 00:01:53,200 be nice if a couple more people signed up and got us back into the 24 00:01:53,239 --> 00:01:57,519 black. That would be great. Anyone can help out at two dollars or 25 00:01:57,519 --> 00:02:01,959 more a month, and all that information is on podcast ufo dot com. 26 00:02:02,120 --> 00:02:07,760 Again, I really appreciate all the supporters that help out with the show. 27 00:02:08,120 --> 00:02:14,479 So tonight, the show that I'm going to be presenting was recorded one month 28 00:02:14,520 --> 00:02:20,000 ago. I was invited on Command at Cobers show on KGRA and that's when 29 00:02:20,039 --> 00:02:25,319 I actually figured out that I could simulcast on YouTube. So this show is 30 00:02:27,479 --> 00:02:34,680 basically Commander Cobra that's his studio name. He will be interviewing me and of 31 00:02:34,680 --> 00:02:39,400 course you probably heard some of the things that you've heard before. But anyway, 32 00:02:39,439 --> 00:02:44,240 I think I thought he had some pretty interesting perspectives in in the last 33 00:02:44,280 --> 00:02:47,639 part of the show, Mark d Antonio join us and that's a lot of 34 00:02:47,639 --> 00:02:52,159 fun. So anyway, I do apologize for not having the show with Grant 35 00:02:52,199 --> 00:02:55,960 Cameron, but I do think you'll enjoy this show. Big news for our 36 00:02:57,080 --> 00:03:00,439 debut show next week, we are going to start out in our one with 37 00:03:00,520 --> 00:03:06,000 one of my very very favorite guests, Dave Marler, and we are going 38 00:03:06,039 --> 00:03:10,800 to be joined by Lee Spiegel and James Fox. All four of us will 39 00:03:10,800 --> 00:03:15,599 be on the show together. Should be a lot of fun. I'm really 40 00:03:15,639 --> 00:03:20,240 excited about next week. So anyway, I do once again want to thank 41 00:03:20,240 --> 00:03:23,360 all the supporters that help out. I do want to thank each and every 42 00:03:23,360 --> 00:03:27,840 person for listening, and we'll be back next week with a wonderful show. 43 00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:32,800 Remember if you want to listen or watch live, it's new time is Tuesday 44 00:03:34,039 --> 00:03:38,520 at six to eight pm Eastern Standard Time. All right, and don't forget 45 00:03:38,560 --> 00:03:43,000 it's on the Dark Matter Digital network. To the full shows are on Thursday 46 00:03:43,199 --> 00:03:46,759 evenings at ten to midnight Eastern Standard time. Oh and one more thing, 47 00:03:46,759 --> 00:03:51,319 when I was out in Chicago a few days ago. I had breakfast with 48 00:03:51,400 --> 00:03:55,759 our many time guests and good friend Sam Moronto and his wife Julie, and 49 00:03:57,120 --> 00:04:00,120 he says to say hello to the listening audience. It was a lot of 50 00:04:00,120 --> 00:04:04,199 fun. Good to see him and he does a lot of great stuff for 51 00:04:04,400 --> 00:04:08,719 the Chicago area. Move on, all right, here we go on with 52 00:04:08,800 --> 00:04:15,120 the show and three shoe one go. Welcome to Task Force Griffin on KGr 53 00:04:15,279 --> 00:04:21,959 Radio KGr radio dot com. Your connection is secure in this transmission is now 54 00:04:23,160 --> 00:04:28,399 online. Your most humble and blessed host commanded Cobra once again talking and to 55 00:04:28,480 --> 00:04:34,079 use some lucky folks video streaming to you with thanks and Bill Skywatcher, and 56 00:04:34,160 --> 00:04:38,360 we're talking to the greatest audience on the planet. As I said, Bills 57 00:04:38,399 --> 00:04:41,560 on the wing, please look at the man behind the curtain who makes all 58 00:04:41,600 --> 00:04:46,399 the magic work. He is producing and engineering, and he has looped in 59 00:04:46,959 --> 00:04:51,279 another service. Tonight you're set for another outstanding broadcast. I'm very pleased to 60 00:04:53,920 --> 00:04:57,720 tell you that this was another one of those great things they got put together 61 00:04:57,759 --> 00:05:01,800 by the guest and the producer. Your host had nothing else, nothing to 62 00:05:01,839 --> 00:05:05,759 really do with it except the show up and try to be ready. We're 63 00:05:05,759 --> 00:05:10,160 going to dedicate tonight's show. It's going to be the two people. It's 64 00:05:10,240 --> 00:05:15,639 the family of Alfie, the young baby that passed away in Britain. I'm 65 00:05:15,800 --> 00:05:20,519 not concerned about the politics. I just would like to extend condolences. That's 66 00:05:20,560 --> 00:05:26,879 going to be some of the toughest and emotional driving things that could possibly happen. 67 00:05:27,279 --> 00:05:31,199 It was in the news and it's sad, and all of Task Force 68 00:05:31,240 --> 00:05:38,399 Griffin and the family that we are sense condolences and equally sad. Since my 69 00:05:38,439 --> 00:05:44,120 guests from Maine tonight, like myself, we had a tragic law enforcement event 70 00:05:44,199 --> 00:05:47,879 this week. It's touched all of us. We have not lost an officer 71 00:05:48,439 --> 00:05:55,360 of the law in the line of duty in thirty years. Somerset County Corporal 72 00:05:55,560 --> 00:06:02,040 Eugene Cole was killed in the process of apprehending and responding to a call this 73 00:06:02,079 --> 00:06:08,879 past week. To his family and to his community in his county, the 74 00:06:08,920 --> 00:06:13,480 citizens of his county. He was, by all reports, dearly loved, 75 00:06:13,680 --> 00:06:17,319 deally respected, and an important part of his community. So to do both 76 00:06:17,360 --> 00:06:24,079 of those families and the greater contection of folks, our deepest sympathy is extended. 77 00:06:25,240 --> 00:06:29,360 With that said, tonight. The other Willis brother, Martin Willis is 78 00:06:29,399 --> 00:06:32,480 with us tonight. I say that Martin because Dan Wallis has been on with 79 00:06:32,519 --> 00:06:36,839 me a couple of times. And when I told Bill that no, no, 80 00:06:38,480 --> 00:06:40,879 Martin's coming on, he goes, Martin, I don't know who Martin 81 00:06:41,040 --> 00:06:44,199 is. And then then he realized what I was talking about and go oh 82 00:06:44,319 --> 00:06:46,439 that yeah, No, the other Willis is going to be on, and 83 00:06:46,959 --> 00:06:53,079 we got the right weekend set up. Martin, you are a fellow Maner, 84 00:06:53,279 --> 00:06:59,079 and you are also one of the most prolific folks that works on video 85 00:07:00,040 --> 00:07:03,120 and podcasting and having the YouTube channel. I've been greatly impressed with the stuff 86 00:07:03,160 --> 00:07:05,839 that you've done, and you have a lot of facets that we hopefully will 87 00:07:05,839 --> 00:07:12,120 talk about tonight. Well, thank you, Welcome to Task Force Griffin and 88 00:07:12,199 --> 00:07:14,920 a great audience. I will warn the audience, as you can tell if 89 00:07:14,920 --> 00:07:17,639 you're watching the video, I'm a little bit more encumbered tonight. So that 90 00:07:17,639 --> 00:07:21,839 I could have a visual appearance. I worked very hard to set up the 91 00:07:23,360 --> 00:07:28,000 staging behind me, and if I'll just move my shoulder here, you'll see 92 00:07:28,000 --> 00:07:31,680 the alien holding the skull and the cobra of skeleton. So that's all been 93 00:07:31,680 --> 00:07:35,399 done now, all the props have been seen, Martin. How did you 94 00:07:35,439 --> 00:07:42,519 get started in the work that you do well, as far as podcasting goes, 95 00:07:42,600 --> 00:07:47,480 I started a podcast back in two thousand and nine. I had a 96 00:07:47,519 --> 00:07:51,279 connection with a guy that he was on The Man Show years ago, Adam 97 00:07:51,319 --> 00:07:59,079 Carolla. Just had talked to him a couple of times, and his radio 98 00:07:59,079 --> 00:08:03,079 station basically went down where he was broadcasting in the morning, and I was 99 00:08:03,079 --> 00:08:07,319 out in California and he started doing podcasting, and I said, well, 100 00:08:07,319 --> 00:08:11,079 if he can do it, I'll try it. So I tried doing some 101 00:08:11,160 --> 00:08:16,480 antique work and actually it was pretty successful. That's still going ongoing now, 102 00:08:18,120 --> 00:08:24,160 and so that's how I started podcasting. Now. In two thousand, two 103 00:08:24,160 --> 00:08:28,079 thousand and six, I was actually working in the antiques field that I'm in 104 00:08:28,240 --> 00:08:35,240 antiques and fine arts. I was actually at MERV. Griffins. I was 105 00:08:35,240 --> 00:08:39,200 working on his estate and I was saying in Carmel Valley. Had a house 106 00:08:39,200 --> 00:08:43,320 in Carmel Valley. I was staying there and I had a sighting. I've 107 00:08:43,360 --> 00:08:48,440 always had kind of an interest in well, I've had a vast interest in 108 00:08:48,759 --> 00:08:54,320 space and science and all that. But and we had a flap in Maine 109 00:08:54,720 --> 00:08:58,919 years ago when I was growing up, and I remember like looking for UFOs 110 00:08:58,919 --> 00:09:01,240 when I was a kid, but then it never really crossed my mind much. 111 00:09:03,559 --> 00:09:07,240 I was actually sitting in a hot tub. I was not drinking, 112 00:09:07,799 --> 00:09:11,480 and all of a sudden, just make sure we clarify the evidence chain of 113 00:09:11,519 --> 00:09:15,799 evidence. Here. You are in a hot tub in California, that's right, 114 00:09:16,080 --> 00:09:18,519 and then you were not mel Valley. I was not drinking and you 115 00:09:18,600 --> 00:09:22,120 were not drinking. Yes, I know that's I think that's against the local 116 00:09:22,200 --> 00:09:24,159 ordinance there, but please continue. For those that are listening, Well, 117 00:09:24,159 --> 00:09:28,960 something caught my eye. It was twilight, it was like eight thirty or 118 00:09:28,000 --> 00:09:33,679 something like that. Something caught my eye overhead, so I just looked up 119 00:09:33,840 --> 00:09:39,279 and I watched and I just you know, if I had a camera next 120 00:09:39,320 --> 00:09:39,919 to me, I would have never thought to use it. I got to 121 00:09:39,960 --> 00:09:43,960 tell you that, because it was I was just struck by the moment and 122 00:09:45,200 --> 00:09:48,039 the thing that fascinated me the most when I saw this, it was like 123 00:09:48,080 --> 00:09:52,240 a disc, perfectly shaped disc like the size of a quarter held at arm's 124 00:09:52,320 --> 00:09:54,759 length. I guess it's the best way to put it. And I was 125 00:09:54,759 --> 00:09:56,320 thinking it was maybe a couple of thousand feet high, but it was all 126 00:09:56,399 --> 00:10:03,279 guessing. It had a bluish glow over the entire object, and it moved 127 00:10:03,320 --> 00:10:07,840 in a straight line over me, and I just remember sitting there and being 128 00:10:07,960 --> 00:10:11,399 baffled because there was no sound. I mean, that's the first thing I 129 00:10:11,440 --> 00:10:16,639 thought of, like, I'm seeing this thing move and there's absolutely no sound. 130 00:10:16,639 --> 00:10:22,039 Then it stopped, dead stopped, and then it veered off toward Carmel, 131 00:10:22,919 --> 00:10:28,879 Monterey, and so I jumped out of the hot tub and I ran 132 00:10:28,919 --> 00:10:31,840 inside and I got on the phone. I didn't know who to call. 133 00:10:33,240 --> 00:10:37,200 I never thought of anything online at the time, so I got in touch 134 00:10:37,279 --> 00:10:43,840 with the I think it was the Monterey maybe getting Carmel and Monterey confused. 135 00:10:43,879 --> 00:10:46,919 I think it was a Monterey police department. It was a female dispatcher and 136 00:10:48,200 --> 00:10:52,159 she was sarcastic, and then I said, no, I'd like to you 137 00:10:52,200 --> 00:10:54,360 know, I'd like to report. How do I report this? I didn't 138 00:10:54,360 --> 00:10:58,600 know how to report it. So she put me on hold and I waited 139 00:10:58,639 --> 00:11:03,080 for about fifteen minutes, and I got discouraged. I hung up, and 140 00:11:03,120 --> 00:11:05,159 that was kind of like the end of it. So I went into It 141 00:11:05,200 --> 00:11:11,120 wasn't a spectacular sighting but it was a sighting and it certainly rocked my boat 142 00:11:11,159 --> 00:11:16,399 on what I thought about the whole situation. I went inside. I'm sitting 143 00:11:16,399 --> 00:11:18,639 inside and I'm thinking, who am I going to tell about this? To 144 00:11:18,720 --> 00:11:20,919 tell this too? And I couldn't think of, you know, it really 145 00:11:20,919 --> 00:11:26,080 never crossed my mind to go online. So at work the following week, 146 00:11:28,320 --> 00:11:31,519 I had kind of a close person I was working with. I was basically 147 00:11:31,600 --> 00:11:35,200 mentoring her, and I said, please don't tell anyone, but I have 148 00:11:35,279 --> 00:11:39,639 to tell you what happened this weekend. And I told her And it wasn't 149 00:11:39,679 --> 00:11:43,679 maybe a week later that everyone there was teasing me, you know, So 150 00:11:43,720 --> 00:11:46,279 it got around pretty fast, so, you know, I find I just 151 00:11:46,679 --> 00:11:54,200 never talked about it. Years went by and I moved from California back to 152 00:11:54,320 --> 00:12:01,519 Maine were originally from, and I was on a I was doing some actually 153 00:12:01,559 --> 00:12:05,279 some podcasts with comedians that I knew in California and met them, and I 154 00:12:05,320 --> 00:12:11,919 was running that for a while and I told I was on someone else's show, 155 00:12:11,919 --> 00:12:15,159 and I told they said, what's the weirdest thing that ever happened to 156 00:12:15,200 --> 00:12:20,080 you? So I told of the UFO experience basically, and the guy was 157 00:12:20,080 --> 00:12:22,879 really finding and said, well, how was the probing going, and you 158 00:12:22,919 --> 00:12:24,120 know, did you see you know, and all that stuff. You know, 159 00:12:24,120 --> 00:12:26,840 he's really teasing me. And then I think you could have said that 160 00:12:26,840 --> 00:12:31,000 though, just on any trip to California. But that's my own personal bias 161 00:12:31,000 --> 00:12:35,240 slipping out there. Yeah. So anyway, he called me a few weeks 162 00:12:35,279 --> 00:12:39,080 later and he said, you know it. He said this show he did, 163 00:12:39,240 --> 00:12:43,759 like this keyword search and what people were landing on he said it was 164 00:12:43,879 --> 00:12:46,559 UFOs. He said, we were talking about UFOs and had a lot of 165 00:12:46,600 --> 00:12:50,639 traffic on this particular podcast, and so I thought about it and he said, 166 00:12:50,639 --> 00:12:54,639 wow, you know, I think doing a show on UFOs would be 167 00:12:54,960 --> 00:12:58,840 pretty interesting. I don't know anything about them. So I looked on you 168 00:13:00,039 --> 00:13:03,360 two of I started doing some reading. Then I contacted first person I contacted 169 00:13:03,399 --> 00:13:07,399 with Stan Freedman. I didn't hear from him. Then I contacted Oh, 170 00:13:07,440 --> 00:13:11,000 I can't remember how many other people, and finally Steve Bassett. I contacted 171 00:13:11,039 --> 00:13:15,039 him and he said sure, and I said, well, I've never had 172 00:13:15,080 --> 00:13:18,080 a show on UFOs before, and it's really bad. My first show was 173 00:13:18,120 --> 00:13:20,480 really bad. I have to tell you so. And then Bill Burn, 174 00:13:20,720 --> 00:13:24,399 when you go back to the archives on this one we can compare notes, 175 00:13:26,480 --> 00:13:30,679 but so it kind of just snowballed from there. And I have a listener, 176 00:13:30,799 --> 00:13:33,039 Scott who is I don't know how we found my show, but like 177 00:13:33,120 --> 00:13:37,120 the second show, you know, brand new website put it on iTunes. 178 00:13:37,159 --> 00:13:41,960 I think that's probably how we found it. So it's been going on, 179 00:13:41,039 --> 00:13:46,279 it's coming up. I think this week. This week is the three hundredth 180 00:13:46,320 --> 00:13:50,600 show that we have coming up, coming up on a tremendous show that you 181 00:13:50,720 --> 00:13:52,480 put together. Well, thank you. I have a lot of fun and 182 00:13:52,559 --> 00:13:58,639 I think it's I think that's important to just have fun and enjoy it and 183 00:14:00,519 --> 00:14:03,600 listen to what people's ideas are. You know, no one really has an 184 00:14:03,600 --> 00:14:05,720 answer. Some people have been on my show. I think they do have 185 00:14:05,720 --> 00:14:11,879 an answer, but I beg to differ. As a matter of fact, 186 00:14:11,360 --> 00:14:15,639 the saying is, if someone tells you they know what a UFO is, 187 00:14:15,799 --> 00:14:18,240 run the other way, you know, And I think that's not a bad 188 00:14:18,279 --> 00:14:26,919 idea. So we should probably mention how you and I got together. We 189 00:14:26,000 --> 00:14:33,960 have a mutual friend Melanie right that as your show and my show playing in 190 00:14:35,039 --> 00:14:39,000 her shop, and she's a fellow mayner as well, and she started to 191 00:14:39,039 --> 00:14:41,799 put you and I on email, Jane, trying to convince you to come 192 00:14:41,799 --> 00:14:46,639 onto the show. Then you were on with mc maloney's Military X Files the 193 00:14:48,039 --> 00:14:50,120 one week of that month that I was not on the show. So when 194 00:14:50,120 --> 00:14:52,360 I called you and we were starting, Yeah, but I've already been on 195 00:14:52,399 --> 00:14:56,960 your show, and I think I was on previously when you were on there, 196 00:14:58,919 --> 00:15:03,759 and we talked very a short time. Yeah, so we shout out 197 00:15:03,759 --> 00:15:09,720 to Melanie for setting this up and getting us all together and connecting us up. 198 00:15:11,879 --> 00:15:15,320 Yeah, just before we move on, I'm looking at what you're wearing. 199 00:15:15,320 --> 00:15:18,879 It is that hard having a heart? I mean that looks heavy? 200 00:15:18,960 --> 00:15:22,960 Is it? Is it heavy? I have very well developed neck muscles. 201 00:15:24,000 --> 00:15:28,440 For most of my flying career, I wore something like this. Oh yeah, 202 00:15:28,480 --> 00:15:31,120 so this is this is the actual helmet that I work for the last 203 00:15:31,120 --> 00:15:33,799 part of my military flying career. And then I actually use the same helmet 204 00:15:33,799 --> 00:15:37,519 when I was in a rack. And if you look at this little piece 205 00:15:37,960 --> 00:15:41,360 they have my hand on right here. This is where the NVGs would hook 206 00:15:41,360 --> 00:15:43,600 onto and then they can flip up and down depending on how you need to 207 00:15:43,600 --> 00:15:48,240 fly it. So that would be an extra couple pounds of gear here and 208 00:15:48,320 --> 00:15:52,240 some wires and then on the back side is a battery pack and some other 209 00:15:52,440 --> 00:15:56,039 kit that goes with it, and then yeah, strap it all on. 210 00:15:56,159 --> 00:16:00,399 Yeah. So when my wife sometimes my wife comes on the show, and 211 00:16:00,440 --> 00:16:03,559 I wonder tonight if she did you know, she be prepared. You're going 212 00:16:03,600 --> 00:16:07,480 to be on a million screens across the globe when people are watching, because 213 00:16:07,600 --> 00:16:11,399 Martin's got a pretty big following, and she goes, oh, I won't 214 00:16:11,399 --> 00:16:14,080 be coming in tonight. I see she should do is put the alien mask 215 00:16:14,159 --> 00:16:17,679 on and come in and bring me a cup of tea. Maybe the next 216 00:16:17,679 --> 00:16:19,720 time we'll do that. Now. One of our other audience members that I 217 00:16:19,720 --> 00:16:23,240 do want to say hi to is Susan. She actually visited this week. 218 00:16:23,320 --> 00:16:26,960 She came out to what we call wilf Spoon Farm where my wife and I 219 00:16:26,039 --> 00:16:30,960 live with the critters, the animals, and we had a great visit and 220 00:16:30,080 --> 00:16:34,279 was wonderful to finally have her. She's got some family. She travels between 221 00:16:34,360 --> 00:16:40,559 North Carolina and here, and she's very good friends with Mary Joyce, who 222 00:16:40,600 --> 00:16:45,000 I think you have Saucers of the Cashers is her sight and she's been and 223 00:16:45,080 --> 00:16:49,039 she's a frequent guest on task for script and it's a wonderful group of ladies 224 00:16:49,120 --> 00:16:55,279 there that we have worked with. So do you have this first experience? 225 00:16:56,279 --> 00:16:59,879 It kind of lights the fire. I think you're very fortunate because I've always 226 00:17:00,039 --> 00:17:03,519 wanted to I'm jealous because I would have liked to have had the experience I 227 00:17:03,600 --> 00:17:07,319 have not. I have not had the Everything that I have seen, I've 228 00:17:07,319 --> 00:17:10,480 been able to explain, and it was usually something connected with the project. 229 00:17:11,640 --> 00:17:14,559 And I don't even think there's anything that I could say was reversed, engineered, 230 00:17:14,640 --> 00:17:18,720 or came from any other source, but something like the skunk works or 231 00:17:18,759 --> 00:17:23,359 some other part of the military or aerospace world that had put it together. 232 00:17:25,079 --> 00:17:29,440 But I'm I'm always ready. I've been in some of the loneliest parts of 233 00:17:29,440 --> 00:17:32,960 the globe by myself, so I was a prime candidate. So I guess 234 00:17:32,960 --> 00:17:36,559 because if you want to it, it's not going to happen. What have 235 00:17:36,640 --> 00:17:41,799 you seen since then? I haven't seen anything really that you know. The 236 00:17:42,160 --> 00:17:45,400 one thing I do have to say, I saw in Cape Elizabeth, Maine, 237 00:17:45,440 --> 00:17:48,400 and I didn't really want to talk about it because I was thinking, 238 00:17:48,440 --> 00:17:52,079 you know, what are the odds that I'm actually going to have two sightings 239 00:17:52,079 --> 00:17:56,680 I thought I was seeing the International Space Station because it was large and it 240 00:17:56,759 --> 00:18:00,279 was kind of moving in a straight line. And then I went to film 241 00:18:00,359 --> 00:18:03,759 it, and I could have sworn it jagged over. But you know, 242 00:18:04,200 --> 00:18:08,039 I'm saying it was probably something like that. Most likely, I've seen many 243 00:18:08,079 --> 00:18:11,920 satellites in it. It was much bigger. It was, whatever it was. 244 00:18:12,440 --> 00:18:15,119 But I think that's about it. But I do. I do have 245 00:18:15,160 --> 00:18:18,720 a very interesting story to tell you. What happened during one of my shows. 246 00:18:22,000 --> 00:18:25,799 Was I at one time I was in another I was living in a 247 00:18:25,839 --> 00:18:32,079 condo on a golf course in Cape Elizabeth, Maine, And during my show, 248 00:18:32,680 --> 00:18:36,960 my neighbor tried to knock on my door. And I talked to her 249 00:18:37,079 --> 00:18:40,559 a few days later, and she said, I tried to knock on your 250 00:18:40,599 --> 00:18:44,920 door and the other night. And I said when She said Wednesday night or 251 00:18:44,920 --> 00:18:47,759 whenever, whenever? I was doing my show at the time, and I 252 00:18:47,759 --> 00:18:51,880 said, oh yeah, I was busy. So she said, this weird 253 00:18:52,240 --> 00:18:56,799 thing came over the golf course. She said it looked like a triangle with 254 00:18:56,920 --> 00:19:00,599 lights and it just like sweeped right over the golf. Of course, said, 255 00:19:00,599 --> 00:19:03,640 you've got to be kidding me. So while I was having my show. 256 00:19:03,720 --> 00:19:07,160 This thing was right outside my door. I didn't see it. So 257 00:19:07,200 --> 00:19:10,680 I asked her, I said, would you please come on my show and 258 00:19:10,720 --> 00:19:15,319 talk about that? And she said no, And I don't believe in UFOs. 259 00:19:17,160 --> 00:19:18,519 I told her I did a show and then, you know, ever 260 00:19:18,559 --> 00:19:22,240 since then, she kind of avoided me. But she wouldn't come on, 261 00:19:22,279 --> 00:19:26,480 even anonymously and talk about it. She just didn't want anything to do with 262 00:19:26,480 --> 00:19:30,200 the subject. And I think that is a problem that a lot of people 263 00:19:30,279 --> 00:19:37,559 encounter when they want to talk about what they've seen. But she was willing 264 00:19:37,599 --> 00:19:40,640 to share it with you, but not to talk any further than that. 265 00:19:41,119 --> 00:19:44,160 Yeah. Yeah, well, I guess the public thing I understand. I 266 00:19:44,160 --> 00:19:48,160 think a lot of folks are probably still think there's a certain stigma attached to 267 00:19:48,160 --> 00:19:52,279 it, and we're going to delve into that in the next blocks. As 268 00:19:52,279 --> 00:19:55,640 we've worked through on the show. As a special night for us, because 269 00:19:55,680 --> 00:19:59,519 of the YouTube side of it, we really don't have a break that's right, 270 00:20:00,160 --> 00:20:03,279 have to like duck away and drop to the floor and do some kind 271 00:20:03,279 --> 00:20:06,640 of a crawl if I have to use the take a bathroom break in there. 272 00:20:06,680 --> 00:20:08,480 But I'm ready because I'm used to sitting in the seat for a couple 273 00:20:08,559 --> 00:20:15,839 hours and going so I'm all set, But you now, you must have 274 00:20:15,920 --> 00:20:19,799 had some compelling I mean, some of the pods that I've listened to that 275 00:20:19,839 --> 00:20:26,960 you put out, you have had some interesting interactions with people that are relating 276 00:20:26,000 --> 00:20:30,480 their experience to you, and you seem to react to it in a in 277 00:20:30,519 --> 00:20:36,200 a very human emotional way. What are the memorable ones that you've dealt with? 278 00:20:37,119 --> 00:20:41,160 Well, I think I would have to say one of the most memorable 279 00:20:41,519 --> 00:20:48,599 memorable shows that I did was with some Siddic She was one of these sixty 280 00:20:48,640 --> 00:20:56,359 two children that were at the Ariel's School and that had the Ariel's School encounter 281 00:20:56,720 --> 00:21:03,160 that that show went particular just ran chills up my spine when I was talking 282 00:21:03,200 --> 00:21:10,039 to her, because first of all, it's an amazing case I happened in 283 00:21:10,319 --> 00:21:14,599 I want to say, nineteen ninety four or nineteen ninety five, so she's 284 00:21:14,599 --> 00:21:21,680 in her twenties now, and all these students, you know, it was 285 00:21:21,720 --> 00:21:26,400 such a bizarre situation because all these students saw sixty two children saw this craft 286 00:21:26,480 --> 00:21:33,799 land and these beings come out, and they seemed to see some people seemed 287 00:21:33,839 --> 00:21:40,079 to see something a little different it was kind of unusual. And for instance, 288 00:21:40,200 --> 00:21:44,240 when the being was walking, it looked like it was floating. Some 289 00:21:44,279 --> 00:21:48,680 people said that her in particular said no, but she she was only within 290 00:21:48,920 --> 00:21:56,599 four feet of this being, whatever it was, and she described it and 291 00:21:56,640 --> 00:22:02,319 she said its face was like almost like porcelain, no expression, and you 292 00:22:02,359 --> 00:22:06,119 know, that particular encounter, you know a lot of these kids had you 293 00:22:06,160 --> 00:22:10,960 know, telepathic thoughts that and a lot of it had to do with, 294 00:22:11,400 --> 00:22:15,519 you know, maintaining the planet and you know, taking care of the planet. 295 00:22:15,599 --> 00:22:22,920 She in particular didn't, but her story was just absolutely incredible. Really 296 00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:26,599 that was I would say that that was my favorite show of all time. 297 00:22:27,079 --> 00:22:32,839 Now, I've talked to a lot of different people that either have had encounters, 298 00:22:33,119 --> 00:22:36,640 and you talk about yourself never having an encounter, and there are people 299 00:22:36,720 --> 00:22:40,880 like Stan Friedman, you know, he's never had a single encounter. Steve 300 00:22:40,920 --> 00:22:45,079 Bassett I mentioned was the first person on my show has never had an encounter. 301 00:22:45,119 --> 00:22:52,319 But they know there's something going on and they're they're dedicating themselves to looking 302 00:22:52,359 --> 00:22:56,599 into it, which which is actually pretty refreshing if you really think about it. 303 00:22:57,039 --> 00:23:02,759 Someone that's never had an encounter invested all their time and thoughts and are 304 00:23:02,799 --> 00:23:08,880 doing a pretty good, you know, straightforward look into it. Have you 305 00:23:08,920 --> 00:23:15,519 had anybody that you just out know thought was full of it? For lack 306 00:23:15,519 --> 00:23:18,720 of a better term, I was hoping you wouldn't ask that question. Um, 307 00:23:18,799 --> 00:23:25,079 Yes, I've had. I've had a few people on MMM. I 308 00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:29,920 had one sort of recently and so I don't want to name names, sure, 309 00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:33,680 but I've had, you know, people that are saying they've I had 310 00:23:33,759 --> 00:23:37,960 one person that was saying that, you know, he's been on venus. 311 00:23:38,559 --> 00:23:45,960 Um, So I uh, I don't really buy that, but you know, 312 00:23:47,079 --> 00:23:49,880 I let them say what they will, and you know it's the audience 313 00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:53,759 that will certainly comment. Um. You know you do get a lot of 314 00:23:53,799 --> 00:23:59,519 that. Well, we're starting to work up towards our first break in one 315 00:23:59,559 --> 00:24:04,960 of my most dedicated listeners who gives me a really a pretty decent hard time 316 00:24:06,319 --> 00:24:08,759 east from New Hampshire that I'll explain everything for you, and I being from 317 00:24:08,759 --> 00:24:12,759 Maine, I think he wants me to have papers. When I crossed the 318 00:24:12,799 --> 00:24:18,079 border into New Hampshire, he kept asking about flows and he says it's it's 319 00:24:18,079 --> 00:24:21,880 a main staple and that we should know what that is. Does that mean? 320 00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:26,039 Ah? Yes, it does. Flows hot Dogs again. Yeah. 321 00:24:26,119 --> 00:24:30,440 Flows hot Dogs on Route one and York, Maine has been there for I 322 00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:37,160 don't know how many decades, maybe seven decades or something like that, and 323 00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:41,160 it's just basically hot dogs. It's always packed, and it's because they have 324 00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:45,799 this special type of relish that is really really good. Um, you could 325 00:24:45,799 --> 00:24:48,279 throw the hot dog away and just eat the relish, but I mean it's 326 00:24:48,359 --> 00:24:52,000 it's it's really good. So well, you're lucky. I actually have been 327 00:24:52,039 --> 00:24:56,599 by Flows live. I've never had one of the hot dogs nor the relish. 328 00:24:56,640 --> 00:25:00,759 I do see your right again, And we've got that all taken up 329 00:25:00,759 --> 00:25:03,680 before on the all taken care of going into the on this first section the 330 00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:11,960 show, that's excellent. When we talk about guests, have you had to 331 00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:17,440 work hard to get people to want to come on your show? You know? 332 00:25:17,519 --> 00:25:19,279 That's uh, that's what I found real amazing. You know, I've 333 00:25:19,839 --> 00:25:22,960 it was hard. When I was doing a show with comedians, I was 334 00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:27,119 trying to get some good names on there. Um this was the show's not 335 00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:30,880 even up anymore. I mean the podcast site has gone, but I did 336 00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:36,559 have you know, Jen Kirkman and Paul Gilmartin and a number of people on 337 00:25:37,039 --> 00:25:41,559 the show that was really tough. And the UFO field I found right from 338 00:25:41,559 --> 00:25:45,720 the get go that it was fairly easy. People want to talk about it. 339 00:25:47,079 --> 00:25:52,279 So I would say that getting guests on the UFO show, and now 340 00:25:52,319 --> 00:25:56,440 that it's established, is pretty easy. And I have, you know, 341 00:25:56,640 --> 00:26:00,759 I'm booked out to the end of May sometimes, so I've actually had, 342 00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:04,000 you know, people bail at the last minute and you know, had to 343 00:26:04,039 --> 00:26:10,920 scramble, So that does happen occasionally. But it's actually it's actually pretty good 344 00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:17,680 and actually really great people. I've had fun, interesting and a whole variety. 345 00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:22,400 All Right, Well, let's plug your show and the time that it 346 00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:27,160 comes up now as we go to the first break, and we'll pick it 347 00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:32,279 up in about three or four minutes. All right. So it's podcast UFO, 348 00:26:32,839 --> 00:26:36,960 and it's every Wednesday, and it's at eight to I'm sorry, you 349 00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:42,279 got eight to ten pm Eastern Standard Time. Podcast UFO it is. I 350 00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:45,839 enjoy it. I actually do not get a chance very often to catch it 351 00:26:45,880 --> 00:26:52,839 live, and I enjoy putting it on much like Melanie, our mutual friend 352 00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:56,400 that brought us together, or I guess our parole officer. That's when she's 353 00:26:56,400 --> 00:27:00,599 going to be serving as tonight. We h it's great to have in the 354 00:27:00,599 --> 00:27:04,000 background because you you do a show that you don't have to see it and 355 00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:07,920 Carston, you'll say something and you want to go right to the screen and 356 00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:10,599 go, Okay, I got to see the facial expressions when that was said. 357 00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:15,119 And I won't embarrass anybody with some of the stuff that has happened, 358 00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:18,000 but there have been moments where I've said, I've got to figure out. 359 00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:21,759 I gotta see what these people's faces look like when they said this this. 360 00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:25,839 I've got to get that. I'm gonna get my connection here to make sure 361 00:27:25,839 --> 00:27:27,480 I get it. Well, okay, folks, you're listening to Task Force 362 00:27:27,559 --> 00:27:33,559 Griffin on KGr rio KGr rio dot com. My special guest night, Martin 363 00:27:33,599 --> 00:27:38,160 Willis podcast UFO. A man of many talents, and we're going to explore 364 00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:41,799 those as we get as we come back on the other side. And we're 365 00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:47,359 very fortunate to have Martin as well as through his offices, being able to 366 00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:52,440 put this on a YouTube channel as well. Please return, We'll be right 367 00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:56,960 back. Clear, thank you. All right, So we're clear, but 368 00:27:57,000 --> 00:28:00,440 we're not clear on on YouTube. That's right. We're clear, but we're 369 00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:06,000 not clear on YouTube. So no swearing you Martin, you know what you 370 00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:07,119 do. You should flip the script on him, and you should ask him 371 00:28:07,279 --> 00:28:11,200 the same kind of question he was asking you. Well, if he if 372 00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:15,559 he does that now, Bill, then when he calls me when one of 373 00:28:15,599 --> 00:28:18,359 his guest drops out, then I will not play the game. See now 374 00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:22,519 he knows that I'm in the o'm I'm in the O column to him, 375 00:28:22,559 --> 00:28:26,200 that's you know, I'm in his book after coming on tonight, and that's 376 00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:30,000 fine. And I was let to me and I can get home on a 377 00:28:30,039 --> 00:28:34,799 Wednesday night, I'll do it. I was looking through the chat room and 378 00:28:36,759 --> 00:28:41,839 someone says, you look great, commander, and so anyone, actually, 379 00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:45,319 what do we have a couple of minutes. Yeah, someone wants to know 380 00:28:45,359 --> 00:28:48,039 why you're wearing the helmet, So go ahead and answer that. But well, 381 00:28:48,079 --> 00:28:52,400 the helmet is to protect my identity. What started out as part of 382 00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:59,680 to give certain people that I was contracting for some space to have a guy 383 00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:03,759 who talks about the things that I talk about and some of the things that 384 00:29:03,759 --> 00:29:07,440 I that I was involved on the show outside of the show, on my 385 00:29:07,519 --> 00:29:11,559 other work, I believe it or not, Unlike Martin, I have to 386 00:29:11,559 --> 00:29:15,880 have a couple other full time jobs to keep things rolling. I'm not Martin's 387 00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:21,720 the one that's making all the large, big dollars in Maine in podcasts. 388 00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:25,079 You can just look at his face in the camera right now. It's there. 389 00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:27,319 So yeah, yeah, that's the reason why. Well, now it's 390 00:29:27,359 --> 00:29:30,839 become part of the brand. A few folks, in fact, two that 391 00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:36,319 are in the chat room have actually met me without the helmet on, and 392 00:29:36,359 --> 00:29:40,519 they've met missus Cobra. And although I sometimes refer to her being an alien, 393 00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:44,440 she's not. She's actually just from Idaho. But two folks in New 394 00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:48,640 England, that's kind of like being an alien. So that's that's the background. 395 00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:52,519 So the helmet helps protect my identity. Uh, someday they'll probably be 396 00:29:52,559 --> 00:29:56,000 a coming out party. You know, I'll have to I'll have to break 397 00:29:56,039 --> 00:29:59,960 with it. The disappointment will be huge for most folks when they finally do 398 00:30:00,039 --> 00:30:03,000 see what I look like. Now you're saying that you're you're actually protecting your 399 00:30:03,039 --> 00:30:07,440 identity because of some work that you're doing, and you're well that and the 400 00:30:07,519 --> 00:30:11,119 people that I do work for, some of the contractors I do work for, 401 00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:17,960 they would hate to see my real name show up and connected to it. 402 00:30:18,839 --> 00:30:23,240 And now that that most of that work has really really slipped to very 403 00:30:23,279 --> 00:30:27,440 little, but some of the projects I worked on over the last fourteen or 404 00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:32,240 so years since I retired, I was still very deep. Now most folks 405 00:30:32,319 --> 00:30:34,160 knew. I would tell them about the show, and many of them listened 406 00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:37,440 to it, and I would try to throw some kind of small plug in 407 00:30:37,519 --> 00:30:41,640 during the broadcast that would identify them in the outnote. Sometimes I would talk 408 00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:47,039 about the test team I was with. This Mike is a gift from Mac 409 00:30:47,079 --> 00:30:49,880 Maloney, who got me started in this. You know, Mac vertiballah and 410 00:30:51,559 --> 00:30:53,640 Mac got me this yetie Mike, and this Mike has been all over the 411 00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:56,799 United States. It's been in my helmet bag. It's been in hotel rooms. 412 00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:06,039 Yeah up, We're coming back from the break and about five seconds copy 413 00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:15,680 and three two one, Welcome back to Task Warscrippin on KGr Radio KGr Radio 414 00:31:15,759 --> 00:31:18,920 dot com talking to the greatest audience on the planet. My guest tonight, 415 00:31:18,039 --> 00:31:22,960 mister Martin Willis from Maine, a fellow maniac. Off air. For those 416 00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:29,359 of you that are not delving into the YouTube side of this, Martin asked 417 00:31:29,359 --> 00:31:33,400 me he was reading because he's checking the chat room. He's plan definitely watching 418 00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:37,839 what's going on in there so that he can control the numbers, I think, 419 00:31:37,839 --> 00:31:41,000 to make sure things are working. And why am I wearing the helmet? 420 00:31:41,359 --> 00:31:44,720 I didn't want to say that I was wearing the helmet because it's not 421 00:31:44,759 --> 00:31:48,839 that good looking of a person, and the helmet helps keep the audience intrigued. 422 00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:53,559 That's part of it. The other part was explained to Martin was the 423 00:31:55,400 --> 00:32:00,119 kind of the work that I did. Not revealing my identity has been was 424 00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:05,079 useful to help keep separation with some of the projects I was working on. 425 00:32:05,119 --> 00:32:09,440 I've never ever released anything, as I'm bound on my security clearance that I 426 00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:13,880 wasn't supposed to release, but things that I could talk about are things that 427 00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:16,319 I did encounter. I'm pretty frank, as you know from the past that 428 00:32:16,359 --> 00:32:22,440 we've talked. But now it's kind of a brand thing. I'm a big 429 00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:25,200 fan of Iron Rand, So I guess this is my version of John Galt. 430 00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:29,279 You know who is Commander Cobra. So there you go, now, 431 00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:35,200 isn't isn't a Commander Commander Cobra like a fictional character? Right? Yeah? 432 00:32:35,279 --> 00:32:38,440 Cobra is a fictional character out of the G I. Joe series. He 433 00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:47,480 was the Commander Cobra's unique brand and we can it reflects my call sign from 434 00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:52,680 my military flying and the rank that I retired at, so I retired as 435 00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:55,200 a commander. It started out on Mac show as Commander X. And apparently 436 00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:59,279 there's a guy that has Commander X trademarked, and he got in touch with 437 00:32:59,359 --> 00:33:02,720 us to let us know that he did not appreciate Commander X being used anymore 438 00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:08,079 because with Mac everything is agent X, Commander X, friend X, Reporter 439 00:33:08,359 --> 00:33:12,319 X. And I think that's because it was just easier for us to get 440 00:33:12,359 --> 00:33:14,559 through it, and we you know, everyone kind of liked it. The 441 00:33:14,839 --> 00:33:19,000 command of Cobra thing is how we were able to fix it. Ah, 442 00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:23,359 I see, I see. Well we were talking, you know a little 443 00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:27,759 bit. You were talking a little bit about you know, why you kind 444 00:33:27,759 --> 00:33:31,160 of I want to hide your identity, and you know, I actually there 445 00:33:31,279 --> 00:33:35,839 was kind of a rumor. Now I don't really know if it's true or 446 00:33:35,839 --> 00:33:38,559 not, but I think I may have lost a job because I do this 447 00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:45,200 show and the job I had at the time was probably one of the best 448 00:33:45,279 --> 00:33:47,880 part time jobs a person could have. I mean, it was it was 449 00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:52,200 just amazing. So in the in the antiques and fine arts. It was 450 00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:57,400 actually in the auction business for a big auction company, and it was just 451 00:33:57,440 --> 00:34:00,599 a wonderful job. And all of a sudd it was like they said, 452 00:34:00,599 --> 00:34:04,920 well, there's not enough business in this area, and you know, we're 453 00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:07,039 gonna have to let you go. And I've never been let go ever. 454 00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:13,840 And then one of the people that worked at this company said, maybe you 455 00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:16,280 ought to be a little bit careful about your UFO show and mixing it, 456 00:34:16,599 --> 00:34:20,840 you know, being in the antique business. So I kind of took that 457 00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:24,840 as a hint that's possibly why my job is terminated. Now. I don't 458 00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:30,280 know if I can't prove it, but that's that's a possibility, which is 459 00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:34,039 kind of a shame, I think, And I don't think that's going to 460 00:34:34,119 --> 00:34:39,599 happen as much now since there's a little more publicity about the UFO, you 461 00:34:39,639 --> 00:34:45,159 know, search that our government actually was taking it serious. It has a 462 00:34:45,159 --> 00:34:47,599 few times, but I mean more recently, this New York Times article that 463 00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:55,119 came out December sixteenth of last year, I think kind of changed a little 464 00:34:55,119 --> 00:35:00,599 bit on the way people look at the topic. What's your thoughts on that? 465 00:35:00,199 --> 00:35:06,199 I know you're interflowing me, right, but yeah, nice segue into 466 00:35:06,199 --> 00:35:10,719 it. You and I have spoken a little bit off air about this the 467 00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:16,719 initial I not the least bit surprised that we had a Pentagon program. The 468 00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:28,079 rollout in December, my refined remarks on it, There was some interesting stuff 469 00:35:28,119 --> 00:35:32,639 there. I think it was done more as a measure to see how people 470 00:35:32,639 --> 00:35:38,639 are reacting. I think it had a lot to do with our president and 471 00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:49,199 the kind of atmosphere that is going on in the Internet media, meaning that 472 00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:53,880 was a reason to pump a lot of information into it. We may be 473 00:35:53,960 --> 00:36:00,440 at the precipice of finally coming clean and opening up all the files, but 474 00:36:00,559 --> 00:36:04,679 before December, a lot of folks don't refer to this one very much. 475 00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:08,079 A lot of the JFK assassination files were released, with the exception of some 476 00:36:08,119 --> 00:36:14,599 stuff that was publicly held by the CIA, which I found interesting that why 477 00:36:14,599 --> 00:36:16,920 would you even bring that up, Why would you throw that into the mix, 478 00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:22,280 Why would you put those letters, that agency, that name together and 479 00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:28,960 work that in. So I think it was as much as releasing and to 480 00:36:29,119 --> 00:36:32,960 see they wanted to track how we're going to react. Everything is done by 481 00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:37,639 polls, Everything is done by where they think public opinion is rolling. I 482 00:36:37,639 --> 00:36:40,519 think that's the reason why a lot of our policy and things are very screwed 483 00:36:40,599 --> 00:36:45,000 up, and I think this is just one of those issues. With that 484 00:36:45,119 --> 00:36:52,639 said, the people that were involved, mister Bigelow, former senator, read 485 00:36:52,159 --> 00:36:57,519 very interesting cast of characters that were in on that. There's I think some 486 00:36:57,719 --> 00:37:01,360 very true, bonified people and events that are wrapped in that. And I 487 00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:09,639 think the first things that they released were manufactured, very heavily edited. Not 488 00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:16,320 manufactured evidence, but manufactured and handled packaged the way it came out. Oh, 489 00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:21,679 go ahead, Are you saying that because of the short span of the 490 00:37:22,639 --> 00:37:28,079 videos themselves, the quality of the videos, the way that those are, 491 00:37:28,199 --> 00:37:30,480 the heat is coming off of them. This is one of the things that 492 00:37:30,519 --> 00:37:34,800 you spoke to me at length above, because when the second one came out, 493 00:37:35,119 --> 00:37:37,480 I had told you that I was actually at a place where I had 494 00:37:37,519 --> 00:37:43,079 seen that video. I'm sure of it as part of other videos around there. 495 00:37:43,119 --> 00:37:46,000 It's actually the second one is an excellent demonstration of someone who really knows 496 00:37:46,039 --> 00:37:52,280 how to operate a system well, manually running over to what they visually see 497 00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:55,199 moving, driving the system over to it, and then putting an autolock onto 498 00:37:55,199 --> 00:38:00,719 it. That's not hard to do with radar, hard and relative sense optically 499 00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:05,480 driving a system that can be very difficult, and it was a very good 500 00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:09,400 piece of work. And as we talked, I'm convinced it's either some kind 501 00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:14,360 of ammunition or as you were talking off air before we came on, most 502 00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:20,360 likely it's a some kind of a US unmanned aerial system. Right. What 503 00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:23,960 about have you looked at Have you looked at all of the There's actually been 504 00:38:24,559 --> 00:38:30,559 three now that were released. One of them was kind of I think released 505 00:38:30,559 --> 00:38:34,719 actually prior to that, called the Nimits. Have you looked at all of 506 00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:39,159 those? Yes, the Nimits one that were There was two sets of events 507 00:38:39,199 --> 00:38:45,320 that occurred around the major reveal and working backwards as we talked, I'm not 508 00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:51,000 surprised that the that the Pentagon had a name program, and I'm not surprised 509 00:38:51,039 --> 00:38:52,840 that it's ended, and they discussed it. It's end. You know, 510 00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:57,119 that program ended, and it may have ended on a Friday, and I 511 00:38:57,159 --> 00:39:00,280 guarantee on Monday there was a new office and a new set of folks that 512 00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:04,960 we're working at are split over the two other teams. There's no doubt in 513 00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:12,719 my mind that work continues, Yes, in some way. Ultimately, my 514 00:39:13,199 --> 00:39:15,719 belief system has me at the point that there are a group of people that 515 00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:23,000 aren't part of the elected body of the government. I don't think the term 516 00:39:23,079 --> 00:39:29,320 deep state properly fits, but it does kind of metaphorically the folks that are 517 00:39:29,360 --> 00:39:34,800 in areas that work into it, that hold any number of secrets, some 518 00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:37,800 are critical, you know, to our national security, that those secrets are 519 00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:45,000 mixed in there with it, that are constantly looking at these kinds of events, 520 00:39:45,079 --> 00:39:49,840 looking at these kinds of experiences in these reports. I think there's enough 521 00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:54,760 evidence there that tells me that there is a very strong case to be made 522 00:39:54,840 --> 00:40:00,280 for extraterrestrial visits. I think there's a very strong case to be made for 523 00:40:00,679 --> 00:40:07,639 reverse engineering of extraterrestrial technology. And I think a lot of the things that 524 00:40:07,679 --> 00:40:14,679 we see that we claim or people claim is man made military objects that are 525 00:40:14,679 --> 00:40:21,199 flying. There's a number of people that have speculated that the triangles that people 526 00:40:21,199 --> 00:40:27,800 are seeing, even though you know they are mostly silent, some people report 527 00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:34,159 them with a humming, but that are there's a lot of people speculating that 528 00:40:34,239 --> 00:40:39,480 those are actually you know, black ops, or are not exactly a secret 529 00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:45,079 military craft. Yeah, I think that when we get black ops. I 530 00:40:45,199 --> 00:40:49,119 said that by different Yeah, I said, I would say it's a black 531 00:40:49,159 --> 00:40:52,320 program or yeah, that's what I meant to say program. So let's take 532 00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:58,440 the case of the SR seventy one. The aircraft was flying well over ten 533 00:40:58,519 --> 00:41:04,760 years before anybody really knew that it was outflying. They paraded other aircraft. 534 00:41:05,639 --> 00:41:08,199 In fact, they used the UFO phenomenon as a way to cover up it 535 00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:14,400 and a number of other aircraft that were outflying. The air Force was engaging, 536 00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:20,119 the government was engaging and feeding disinformation into that system. Now that's an 537 00:41:20,119 --> 00:41:23,159 effective tool. Disinformation is on one of the things I was taught as part 538 00:41:23,199 --> 00:41:27,960 of my career in the military and some of the work, how did you 539 00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:31,159 deceive Not so much the public it was in my case it was the enemy, 540 00:41:31,199 --> 00:41:36,599 but how do you deceive the enemy's civilian populace. Like, if we're 541 00:41:36,599 --> 00:41:38,000 going to do a helicopter insertion, we're going to put a team in. 542 00:41:38,440 --> 00:41:45,039 You would make multiple approaches that look like landings, and on one of those 543 00:41:45,119 --> 00:41:47,320 that's when they actually got off, and you continued so that it did not 544 00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:52,760 give an indication. You know, a helicopter went into a field and everybody 545 00:41:52,840 --> 00:41:55,800 that's where they focused their interests, and they go look for the team that 546 00:41:55,840 --> 00:42:04,639 you've inserted or the people that you're trying to extract out. So that doesn't 547 00:42:04,719 --> 00:42:07,400 I think that sets a pretty good case, a pretty good precedent how we're 548 00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:10,199 going to go forward. We definitely become creatures of habit. The one thing, 549 00:42:10,280 --> 00:42:15,880 the one argument that I've had about when people say that, you know, 550 00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:22,039 all the triangles that people are seeing are you know, secret military craft. 551 00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:23,719 The argument I have in that is, you know, all the way 552 00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:30,480 back to I'm trying to think it was like nineteen sixty or something like that 553 00:42:30,599 --> 00:42:36,119 in Lubock, Texas. You know the first triangle that was pictured and witnessed 554 00:42:36,119 --> 00:42:38,119 by tons of people, and that was actually went all the way up into 555 00:42:38,880 --> 00:42:45,960 Kansas Wichita. They were seen. There was a number of cell phone pictures. 556 00:42:45,119 --> 00:42:47,239 Is an interesting thing that you bring up on a lot of fronts their 557 00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:51,639 Martin. Now, I mean this was this was an earlier This is prior 558 00:42:51,679 --> 00:42:55,239 to cell phone. This was you were talking about the Phoenix lights perhaps I 559 00:42:55,280 --> 00:43:01,039 was talking about in lu Back. These are early early triangles. Also, 560 00:43:02,199 --> 00:43:06,880 a friend of mine, Lee Spiegel, that used to work at the Huffington 561 00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:12,000 Post. He's now working with James Fox on a UFO video. He actually 562 00:43:12,039 --> 00:43:15,440 had an encounter in North Carolina. I want to say it was nine late 563 00:43:15,519 --> 00:43:21,360 nineteen seventies with a triangle that came over silently and shot down to beam a 564 00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:24,079 light right at their feet along with him with a whole bunch of police officers. 565 00:43:24,599 --> 00:43:30,880 So I don't think that we're going to have military secret military craft going 566 00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:35,400 that far back that we still wouldn't know anything about, you know, what's 567 00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:42,000 your I think that we will or we did. I will cite for folks 568 00:43:42,039 --> 00:43:47,119 that are new to the show. If you have a chance, get download 569 00:43:47,239 --> 00:43:52,719 mister Lear's show. Mister Lear talks about some of the things that he was 570 00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:59,559 made known or had some knowledge of the aircraft that you were just referred to, 571 00:43:59,599 --> 00:44:02,159 the very silent one, the one that shot the beam. That one 572 00:44:02,199 --> 00:44:08,159 there, I'm almost sure was a combination of a dirigible type design that had 573 00:44:08,159 --> 00:44:14,920 had lighter than air properties and it had other things made it to it partially 574 00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:20,719 because they were looking for the ability to have surveillance and the ability to take 575 00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:30,519 extended surveillance activity over a target area, not a lot of heat being produced, 576 00:44:30,559 --> 00:44:35,719 so it wouldn't show up very quiet, had some characteristics of being able 577 00:44:35,719 --> 00:44:42,079 to fly and have some control. That's what dirigibles give, and that triang 578 00:44:42,159 --> 00:44:47,079 or shape I think not so much coincidence if I believe that's what that vehicle 579 00:44:47,239 --> 00:44:52,880 had been talked about and had been seen in Europe quite a bit, and 580 00:44:52,920 --> 00:44:55,639 I believe it was for a specific purpose, and a lot of the vehicles 581 00:44:55,679 --> 00:45:00,719 that we have worked that way, they do show up in a very specific 582 00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:07,079 mission set that they want to get coverage or some capability. Same thing happened 583 00:45:07,360 --> 00:45:15,679 with the UM. With our predators and the unmanned aerial vehicles, you know 584 00:45:15,880 --> 00:45:23,679 they're they're exploded in their capability. So I think that you're talking about a 585 00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:30,119 family of different types of aircraft that have that shape. If you look at 586 00:45:30,159 --> 00:45:34,719 fighter aircraft or transport aircraft, they all look the same. Some have propellers, 587 00:45:35,400 --> 00:45:43,519 some have jet engines. Their capabilities are similar, but there their characteristics 588 00:45:43,519 --> 00:45:50,079 are what's what's different. There was a helicopter project that's been on very much 589 00:45:50,119 --> 00:45:52,440 the forerunner to some of the things that went on the big laden rate where 590 00:45:52,440 --> 00:46:00,719 the helicopters were nearly silent um. I saw these aircraft move used in exercises. 591 00:46:00,760 --> 00:46:04,840 The problem was is that to make them silent made them not such good 592 00:46:04,840 --> 00:46:07,239 helicopters. They were great for moving around, they're very quiet, which had 593 00:46:07,239 --> 00:46:13,280 to compromise a lot of other capabilities that didn't make them useful. Now you 594 00:46:13,360 --> 00:46:16,159 have had some experiences with the triangle, and you know that that's one of 595 00:46:16,239 --> 00:46:22,719 myne If there's anything that gets my attention, if there's a shiny bell that 596 00:46:22,079 --> 00:46:25,360 when it rings, gets my attention, it's definitely the black triangle discussion. 597 00:46:27,440 --> 00:46:31,039 Well, you know a couple of things to argue there about what you're saying 598 00:46:31,679 --> 00:46:37,119 is a number of people have said that they've seen these things shoot off at 599 00:46:37,159 --> 00:46:42,920 a high rate of speed and again with no sound at all. That is 600 00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:46,920 repeated quite often. Another thing, a lot of people are saying, these 601 00:46:46,920 --> 00:46:52,960 things are enormous, you know, sometimes perhaps even more than a mile wide. 602 00:46:52,320 --> 00:46:55,960 There would be absolutely no reason why the government would make something like that. 603 00:46:57,119 --> 00:47:00,880 Agreeing that wouldn't make any sense. So I don't know, you know, 604 00:47:00,960 --> 00:47:06,920 I would say that you're probably right on some of them. And I've 605 00:47:07,199 --> 00:47:10,119 always thought that too, that some of these triangles could actually be military, 606 00:47:10,159 --> 00:47:15,440 absolutely without a doubt. And when I say could, I don't know if 607 00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:22,360 they actually have that technology, but I've never really heard the dirigible thought it. 608 00:47:22,360 --> 00:47:27,000 I guess it would make sense something that would go out at night and 609 00:47:27,119 --> 00:47:30,320 surveil, But now they have Why would they do that when they have drones. 610 00:47:30,320 --> 00:47:32,320 The drones can do all that. Well, the time barriers you were 611 00:47:32,320 --> 00:47:37,719 talking about, I would be very delful that that aircraft is still flying, 612 00:47:38,559 --> 00:47:44,920 but a specific time and parry during the Cold War and the technology at the 613 00:47:44,960 --> 00:47:49,760 time, that type of aircraft, that type of persistent capability. Remember, 614 00:47:49,760 --> 00:47:57,239 we didn't even have the ability to really downlink the imagery very well until the 615 00:47:57,280 --> 00:48:01,400 Wall into the eighties, were still very dependent on well in the seventies, 616 00:48:01,440 --> 00:48:05,639 all the way into the early eighties we were actually dropping film canisters out of 617 00:48:05,679 --> 00:48:09,440 our satellites that had to be caught in the air. Then the ability to 618 00:48:09,480 --> 00:48:17,280 send those pictures down by radio technology, and now that's been replaced by still 619 00:48:17,360 --> 00:48:21,519 using a radio wave, but you're packing more information. I mean, just 620 00:48:21,559 --> 00:48:24,039 the fact that we have the kind of Wi Fi capabilities that we have now. 621 00:48:25,079 --> 00:48:29,679 These are the fruits of the labor to be able to have secure links 622 00:48:29,679 --> 00:48:37,079 and to send an information out. So yeah, the airship version of this 623 00:48:37,440 --> 00:48:44,679 fit and Spike. It was the last name of the author. He was 624 00:48:44,960 --> 00:48:49,079 pretty famous through the seventies and eighties. He did a lot of research Aviation 625 00:48:49,119 --> 00:48:53,639 Week and it was one of the ones aircraft that he he didn't have definitive 626 00:48:53,679 --> 00:48:57,840 proof, but he had a pretty good postulation of what was happening there, 627 00:48:58,639 --> 00:49:01,719 and it was that mix in there. But you said when we were off 628 00:49:01,719 --> 00:49:05,760 there before we came on that you did have an experience up in Maine, 629 00:49:05,880 --> 00:49:09,320 and I'm convinced that we between where you and I live is a major routing 630 00:49:09,360 --> 00:49:14,719 structure that flies back and forth and uses the tanker fleet that's in this area. 631 00:49:14,880 --> 00:49:20,519 Yes, I personally didn't see that. I didn't see that object that 632 00:49:20,719 --> 00:49:25,400 I told you about, but my girlfriend basically did see it. You know. 633 00:49:25,519 --> 00:49:29,760 She said it was tiny, because she said it was tiny because it 634 00:49:29,800 --> 00:49:32,760 was up so high. But she said it had she said it. I 635 00:49:32,800 --> 00:49:37,679 think she said it had five lights with one in the center, and it 636 00:49:37,760 --> 00:49:42,320 was shaped like a like a boomerang or triangle type of thing. And that 637 00:49:42,400 --> 00:49:45,519 was, like I said, that was way overhead. It may have just 638 00:49:45,599 --> 00:49:47,880 been a plane in the way the lighting was on the plane. You know, 639 00:49:49,000 --> 00:49:52,719 I'm not sure it did you think the way she describes that, And 640 00:49:52,760 --> 00:49:54,480 I'd love her to see a picture off to send you the sketch when I 641 00:49:54,519 --> 00:50:01,000 dig it up. I have a a offline, offline print graphic artist that 642 00:50:01,079 --> 00:50:05,360 does a lot of the T shirts and other stuff of the show, plus 643 00:50:05,960 --> 00:50:08,880 other work related stuff. And he drew me because he's very talented, because 644 00:50:08,880 --> 00:50:12,840 he can sketch and he can take, you know, the scratching should come 645 00:50:12,880 --> 00:50:16,519 in with, and he'll build the artwork for your everything from the decals to 646 00:50:16,639 --> 00:50:22,239 the car wraps to the T shirts. And he drew a very classical picture. 647 00:50:22,559 --> 00:50:28,960 And his theory he's a longtime resident of Maine as well, is that 648 00:50:29,639 --> 00:50:34,400 this is a technology that why would be flying here because we have a major 649 00:50:34,480 --> 00:50:37,960 engine manufacturer that's in the area, and we have a fairly isolated part of 650 00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:42,760 the country. And I think a lot of times, I know that we 651 00:50:43,800 --> 00:50:47,920 would do operations in Europe when I was stationed there just to partially gauge how 652 00:50:47,960 --> 00:50:54,239 the public will react, how the civilian pop us reacted to our presence being 653 00:50:54,280 --> 00:51:00,440 there as a way to how effective we were to moving or cover and a 654 00:51:00,440 --> 00:51:04,880 lot of times, if somebody else was doing something of very sensitive nature, 655 00:51:05,159 --> 00:51:09,440 other aircraft would be out there drawing your attention. So why everybody's looking up 656 00:51:09,480 --> 00:51:15,639 at the sky and seeing large formations of aircraft moving A very small set of 657 00:51:15,639 --> 00:51:21,599 helicopters is moving in to go do a mission in in a sensitive area. 658 00:51:21,679 --> 00:51:23,960 And those days it was East and West Germany. I can leave most of 659 00:51:23,960 --> 00:51:28,159 that to your imagination to figure out how that was going on. I effectually 660 00:51:28,199 --> 00:51:30,559 referred to those days as Mad Magazine Spy versus Spike, because I seemed to 661 00:51:30,599 --> 00:51:35,039 be the playbook. It was a lot of fun, and luckily it never 662 00:51:35,079 --> 00:51:39,960 turned anything more serious than being serious about our work. Uh huh wow. 663 00:51:40,000 --> 00:51:46,599 Interesting. So what do you think that? Well, let's circle back, 664 00:51:46,679 --> 00:51:51,480 all right, we talked about Starts to the Academy. Give me your take 665 00:51:51,559 --> 00:51:54,119 on that release in December and the videos that have come out since them. 666 00:51:55,320 --> 00:52:02,159 Well, I've had Leslie came on my show a number of times. And 667 00:52:02,239 --> 00:52:07,840 also I was one of the people that got to and I view Ralph Blumenthal, 668 00:52:08,199 --> 00:52:15,960 who was one of the co authors of that particular viral. I guess 669 00:52:15,960 --> 00:52:21,800 nothing went viral more than that. For in the UFO field, nothing's gone 670 00:52:21,920 --> 00:52:27,079 quite like that. I think there's over a hundred news shows on that alone, 671 00:52:27,480 --> 00:52:30,760 in particular, all over you know, every So I think it was 672 00:52:30,800 --> 00:52:37,119 great that got out there. I think that I think that it's helped in 673 00:52:37,159 --> 00:52:38,920 a lot of ways, has helped more people that were on the fence maybe 674 00:52:38,960 --> 00:52:44,400 take a serious look. And that's what we need. And I've spoken to 675 00:52:44,440 --> 00:52:51,559 both Leslie and Ralph Blumenthal, and Ralph says, hold on, there's more 676 00:52:51,599 --> 00:52:53,119 more to come, and he will be on my show again, but he 677 00:52:53,159 --> 00:52:57,639 says, we have to you know, we're working with the New York Times 678 00:52:57,639 --> 00:53:00,920 and there's going to be more released. Now. Did I give you an 679 00:53:00,960 --> 00:53:05,199 explanation why it's coming out so slowly in the age that we live in. 680 00:53:05,679 --> 00:53:07,960 I mean, I understand if it's going to be for some kind of a 681 00:53:07,960 --> 00:53:10,280 profit generated part of it, you know. I mean that's that they have 682 00:53:10,320 --> 00:53:13,480 to make money. They have to sell papers, they have to sell their 683 00:53:13,519 --> 00:53:16,679 their their news. But what's the explanation of what's your summation of why it's 684 00:53:16,679 --> 00:53:20,480 taken me so much time? I would say it's more of my summation, 685 00:53:20,559 --> 00:53:24,280 and that is that I think they're just trying to keep it alive and so 686 00:53:24,320 --> 00:53:29,599 it just doesn't fade away like you know, it's such an ephemeral society now, 687 00:53:29,679 --> 00:53:32,599 and I don't know if you're watching the news, but there's so many 688 00:53:32,719 --> 00:53:37,199 dramatic things on the news all the time, and it's yesterday's news instantly, 689 00:53:37,360 --> 00:53:42,320 you know, it fades away. I still think that a lot of people 690 00:53:42,719 --> 00:53:50,079 actually witnessed one of those TV shows or news shows about the Pentagon release, 691 00:53:50,239 --> 00:53:53,519 and I think I think it is you know, when I've brought the topic 692 00:53:53,599 --> 00:53:58,760 up to I would say, people outside of the UFO field, did you 693 00:53:58,800 --> 00:54:01,840 see that, you know, the Pentagon released the fact that they've been looking 694 00:54:01,840 --> 00:54:06,119 into, you know, UFOs, whether they're a threat or not. And 695 00:54:06,239 --> 00:54:08,360 a lot of people saw that. It really got it really got a lot 696 00:54:08,360 --> 00:54:14,280 of people's attention. So I think, personally think that it was a really 697 00:54:14,320 --> 00:54:17,079 good, real good thing. And I think that, like I said, 698 00:54:17,079 --> 00:54:22,360 it's going to have more people taking it serious. People that were on the 699 00:54:22,400 --> 00:54:25,000 fence about looking into it may start looking into it, and there's going to 700 00:54:25,039 --> 00:54:30,639 be less ridicule. And for instance, this Arizona, I don't know if 701 00:54:30,679 --> 00:54:38,039 you caught this Arizona sightings of the FA The FAA actually released the recordings of 702 00:54:38,079 --> 00:54:46,679 the pilots talking about seeing this UFO overhead that wouldn't have happened Prior to the 703 00:54:46,719 --> 00:54:52,519 New York Times article coming out. The FAA has been real guarded about any 704 00:54:52,880 --> 00:54:55,480 UFO material getting out there that they have any thing to do with. So 705 00:54:55,519 --> 00:55:00,239 I think it's it's a good thing overall, all right, I I guess 706 00:55:00,239 --> 00:55:02,559 I'm gonna I'm gonna beg to differ with you because the age that we live 707 00:55:02,599 --> 00:55:07,719 in, I don't understand why you have to drag it out as slow as 708 00:55:07,840 --> 00:55:13,079 they have to drag it out. We were living in it, we're living 709 00:55:13,199 --> 00:55:15,639 I mean, people do not go to the I know that the vast majority 710 00:55:15,639 --> 00:55:21,360 of people still pick up their news by looking at the three primary media networks, 711 00:55:21,920 --> 00:55:24,440 but they were a big part of this story. And the print media 712 00:55:24,639 --> 00:55:30,719 is not print anymore. It's print with everything that's online. To the Stars 713 00:55:30,760 --> 00:55:37,440 Academy has the ability to put a lot of information out in depth with explanation 714 00:55:37,519 --> 00:55:43,440 with podcasts. I can understand if you're trying to build interest, and you're 715 00:55:43,480 --> 00:55:47,719 trying to do that, but this is not a movie that anybody's going to 716 00:55:49,119 --> 00:55:52,480 wait to see if you continue to drag it out. In my opinion, 717 00:55:53,119 --> 00:55:59,000 for people that are believers, people that are listening tonight to this show and 718 00:55:59,360 --> 00:56:04,760 go to your podcast to see that we're already in the belief, we're looking 719 00:56:04,760 --> 00:56:09,719 for something to help substantiate it. So I don't understand what the theory is 720 00:56:09,840 --> 00:56:14,760 on how slow to go and why it's a two or three minute clip and 721 00:56:14,760 --> 00:56:21,199 there's no explanation, there's no there's no briefing that goes with their clip about 722 00:56:21,719 --> 00:56:25,880 I know a little bit about that part, and that is Lewis Alasando that 723 00:56:27,039 --> 00:56:34,519 was heading that project for the Pentagon, who you recently retired, said that 724 00:56:35,000 --> 00:56:38,960 there is footage before and after that, but it's not unclassified. And I 725 00:56:39,000 --> 00:56:45,199 think perhaps that maybe part of the deal is maybe we're getting fed this. 726 00:56:45,079 --> 00:56:52,360 It's not just like the New York Times and these authors hanging onto what they 727 00:56:52,440 --> 00:56:55,760 know and to the stars hang on to what they know. Perhaps it's a 728 00:56:55,800 --> 00:57:00,920 trickle down from the being released from the Pentagon. I don't know, or 729 00:57:00,960 --> 00:57:05,239 if they didn't even want to bother with it. I'm I'm gonna give you. 730 00:57:05,239 --> 00:57:07,480 We're coming up to our next break, so I'm going to give you 731 00:57:07,760 --> 00:57:10,400 a lead into our next party. One of the stories you're referred to, 732 00:57:10,760 --> 00:57:15,159 we had an unidentified object Arizona came over through Oregon, went its way back 733 00:57:15,159 --> 00:57:21,199 towards Idaho. A very good friend of the show, Tyler Roegaway the Warzone 734 00:57:21,239 --> 00:57:25,679 dot Com. He broke the story, he did the work, he did 735 00:57:25,719 --> 00:57:29,760 freedom of information. He's a two man shop. He's got a partner. 736 00:57:30,880 --> 00:57:37,440 They they uncovered more information, they released more now they didn't release any video 737 00:57:37,639 --> 00:57:39,559 data that went with it because there really wasn't any video data to go. 738 00:57:40,119 --> 00:57:44,559 There wasn't any hud film from the f fifteens that did that. But he's 739 00:57:44,559 --> 00:57:47,320 got all the conversations, he got all the transcripts. He turned that around 740 00:57:47,480 --> 00:57:54,360 in a matter of a week and continue to continue to break it down, 741 00:57:54,599 --> 00:58:00,199 followed up with it what I consider pretty decent journalism. I understand that this 742 00:58:00,320 --> 00:58:02,840 is a sensational pile up that you have and you're going to release that info. 743 00:58:04,320 --> 00:58:07,360 But the two of them don't stand side by side telling me that you 744 00:58:07,440 --> 00:58:13,599 have classified information on the front part of a video classified information and then the 745 00:58:13,639 --> 00:58:16,119 other part. And then you have the commander that was flying the aircraft on 746 00:58:16,159 --> 00:58:21,119 all the Amazing News network and then he disappears. Doesn't add up to me. 747 00:58:22,159 --> 00:58:25,800 There's something that doesn't link up. So I'm gonna hold you on that 748 00:58:25,840 --> 00:58:30,360 one. This is a Task Force Griffin on KGr Radio KGr dot com. 749 00:58:30,360 --> 00:58:34,079 We're talked to the greatest audience on the planet, and we're very lucky to 750 00:58:34,159 --> 00:58:37,239 have one of the greatest podcasters on the planet, Martin Willis. We'll be 751 00:58:37,239 --> 00:58:42,719 back about three minutes. Please stand by clear commander. I don't know if 752 00:58:42,719 --> 00:58:46,239 you've got my message regarding Marc D'Antonio. He would like to join the show 753 00:58:46,320 --> 00:58:51,440 for the final segment to speak with both of you above that. Okay, 754 00:58:52,039 --> 00:58:54,000 awesome. Now where'd you send that bill? Because I didn't see it comin. 755 00:58:54,159 --> 00:58:59,840 I send it to you individually. M okay, that's why. Yeah, 756 00:59:00,000 --> 00:59:01,480 didn't want to confuse the conversation that was going on with you guys. 757 00:59:02,079 --> 00:59:07,599 So we got three minutes. Three minutes. Oh excellent, all right, 758 00:59:07,719 --> 00:59:10,760 I'm gonna look through the chat room again and see if we have anything here 759 00:59:10,840 --> 00:59:22,159 for questions. UM, let's see interesting what you're I have a moderator on 760 00:59:22,199 --> 00:59:30,480 there that deleted something, so there was something going on there. Oh yeah, 761 00:59:31,159 --> 00:59:37,519 they want to know have you saw, oh witness anything you already talked 762 00:59:37,519 --> 00:59:40,880 about that? Oh? Oh I'm sorry, Wait a minute, were you 763 00:59:40,920 --> 00:59:52,519 ever briefed into top secret programs that Martin eight tell you one. Uh, 764 00:59:52,599 --> 00:59:57,119 no, I haven't been, I think obviously now you said someone on your 765 00:59:57,280 --> 01:00:00,239 on your side of your podcast. Yeah, they're asking asking if you wherever 766 01:00:00,280 --> 01:00:05,360 briefed in. I understand, all right, well so yeah, so while 767 01:00:05,400 --> 01:00:08,880 we're waiting, there's quite a few. I did carry a top secret clearance. 768 01:00:09,559 --> 01:00:15,719 It's not active anymore. It's because I'm working with a project that requires 769 01:00:15,760 --> 01:00:23,039 it. Much of the very sensitive, especially when you were moving troops. 770 01:00:23,039 --> 01:00:27,599 When I was working in places like Kosovone, Iraq, you had to be 771 01:00:27,719 --> 01:00:34,440 very careful how you were right into programs and pieces because of other components that 772 01:00:34,480 --> 01:00:37,159 were going on around that. What people think, and I'm pretty sure what 773 01:00:37,199 --> 01:00:40,679 the question is driving at a lot of people think because you have a clearance 774 01:00:40,719 --> 01:00:45,079 that you can go and look and see things. No, it does not. 775 01:00:45,280 --> 01:00:51,239 How it works, and there's a very strong part of keeping things in 776 01:00:51,320 --> 01:00:53,960 compartments, or a need to know, as it's sometimes referred to in the 777 01:00:54,039 --> 01:00:59,159 movies and television, that you have to be part of a project to go 778 01:00:59,280 --> 01:01:04,519 do that. I try to explain to a good friend of mine that there 779 01:01:04,559 --> 01:01:12,199 are probably people that are young enlisted to have more knowledge and have seen more 780 01:01:12,239 --> 01:01:15,639 things because of the areas where they were in and how they were handling large 781 01:01:15,639 --> 01:01:22,239 amounts of information than many the rest of us that you know held higher position 782 01:01:22,320 --> 01:01:24,920 or higher rank. It's just it's a matter of where you're at. But 783 01:01:25,039 --> 01:01:30,159 yes, ye had all those classified briefs. Still go every now and then 784 01:01:30,239 --> 01:01:35,480 to have my recurrency to make sure that I'm doing what I'm supposed to and 785 01:01:35,760 --> 01:01:40,280 most of my secrets. So the things I've seen were sensitive information regarding ops 786 01:01:40,400 --> 01:01:44,079 or some kind of capability that we're going to build, or some way that 787 01:01:44,079 --> 01:01:46,559 we were actually able to do what we were doing work wise. All right, 788 01:01:46,559 --> 01:02:00,960 gentlemen, we're coming back in about fifteen seconds. Okay, I'm in 789 01:02:01,960 --> 01:02:07,719 three two one. Welcome back to Task Force Griffin I KGr Radio, KGr 790 01:02:07,800 --> 01:02:13,440 Radio dot Com. My guest tonight, mister Mark and willis a fellow maniac, 791 01:02:14,400 --> 01:02:19,079 a connoisseur of antiquities or antiques, depending on what part of Maine you're 792 01:02:19,119 --> 01:02:23,559 in. That's right. We've been moving around the map here a little bit, 793 01:02:27,440 --> 01:02:30,679 the black triangles sighting like a couple of questions I would need to clean 794 01:02:30,760 --> 01:02:36,519 up here that I've I've let slide a little bit where your significant others said 795 01:02:36,559 --> 01:02:39,599 that she had seen the black triangles that was in Maine. Correct, that's 796 01:02:39,679 --> 01:02:44,039 right. It wasn't a black triangle. All she saw was a triangle formation 797 01:02:44,119 --> 01:02:47,559 of white since she said it was tiny and way up high. Okay. 798 01:02:49,000 --> 01:02:53,920 And then you talked about a triangle vehicle in North Carolina. One of our 799 01:02:54,400 --> 01:03:00,559 listeners frequents between Maine and North Carolina, and she was, is where that 800 01:03:00,639 --> 01:03:01,840 was? Did you know the location of where that was? It was the 801 01:03:01,880 --> 01:03:05,159 one that had the beam of light that came out that you were describing, 802 01:03:05,760 --> 01:03:09,280 right, I can find that out really quickly. Actually, Lee Spiegel is 803 01:03:09,320 --> 01:03:15,760 the one who experienced that, and he's been actually texting me, so I 804 01:03:15,800 --> 01:03:17,599 will. When we take a break here, I'll text him and find out 805 01:03:17,639 --> 01:03:23,480 that location. If she wants to hang in. She's right at the tip 806 01:03:23,480 --> 01:03:27,480 of my tongue. But I can't think of the exact location of where that 807 01:03:27,559 --> 01:03:30,760 happened. And that story goes on. There was a police officer that and 808 01:03:30,920 --> 01:03:37,679 another town over that was jumped out of his car, pulled his flashlight out 809 01:03:37,679 --> 01:03:39,719 of his trunk and flashed his light at it, and the thing flashed back 810 01:03:39,760 --> 01:03:45,960 at him, which is pretty bizarre. I wouldn't have ever been brave enough 811 01:03:45,960 --> 01:03:52,119 to do that. Well, I had people that would do things like that 812 01:03:52,159 --> 01:03:55,199 when I was flying helicopters, and we would flash back as well, and 813 01:03:55,360 --> 01:04:00,920 people get pretty excited. In fact, I remember we had a piece of 814 01:04:00,000 --> 01:04:02,559 equipment on one of the earl helicopters. I flew that you could actually talk 815 01:04:02,599 --> 01:04:06,360 on CB radios. And I'll just take this quick aside. We're out in 816 01:04:06,400 --> 01:04:11,840 the in the west. It was in New Mexico, and we started talking 817 01:04:12,039 --> 01:04:15,800 and those when CB was the height of it, it was at a zenith 818 01:04:16,039 --> 01:04:23,320 of its cultural implications. And this guy didn't believe. He says, if 819 01:04:23,360 --> 01:04:28,679 I'm talking to the big helicopter that's flying along, I ten fly over to 820 01:04:28,719 --> 01:04:31,599 the other side of the highway. Swap sides of the highway. So we 821 01:04:31,679 --> 01:04:33,880 flew over the other side of the highway. Well that was it, you 822 01:04:33,920 --> 01:04:38,239 know, Oh my god, everybody now wanted to talk to the big helicopter. 823 01:04:38,960 --> 01:04:42,000 And one poor helicopter, I mean one poor truck that we got close 824 01:04:42,039 --> 01:04:46,000 to because of the kind of power that that system had. I think it 825 01:04:46,079 --> 01:04:49,880 caught his CB radio on fire because it was smoking. I think it. 826 01:04:50,039 --> 01:04:55,559 I think it overpowering because of the amount of wattage that that because it was 827 01:04:55,599 --> 01:04:59,800 designed to work on the battlefield and when you one of those frequency ranges. 828 01:05:00,320 --> 01:05:03,639 So we stopped doing that after that. No more community engagement that way. 829 01:05:03,679 --> 01:05:06,320 That's not That wasn't good cricket back in the day, but it was a 830 01:05:06,360 --> 01:05:10,360 lot of fun. I'll never forget the enthusiasm and their voice when they could 831 01:05:10,400 --> 01:05:13,840 not believe that we switched over to the other side. And I've had kids 832 01:05:13,880 --> 01:05:16,639 shoot bought of rockets at the helicopter, and I've chased them around with the 833 01:05:16,639 --> 01:05:21,199 helicopter. You know, can only imagine the stories later on. Well, 834 01:05:21,280 --> 01:05:26,480 I digress of goad sir. Well, now, the thing that's really dangerous 835 01:05:27,119 --> 01:05:31,960 as the laser pointers. Yeah, I was zapped many an evening interact with 836 01:05:32,079 --> 01:05:35,000 lasers. And of course the thing I always wonder in there is is it 837 01:05:35,000 --> 01:05:38,440 actually connected to a weapon or are they just trying to get you in the 838 01:05:38,440 --> 01:05:43,719 ice? So wow, wow, that's scary. You know. Along the 839 01:05:43,800 --> 01:05:45,360 same lines, I don't know, have you ever heard of the father guilt 840 01:05:45,400 --> 01:05:51,079 case? It sounds familiar, but I'm not recalling the exact figures. Yeah, 841 01:05:51,480 --> 01:05:58,119 that was back in nineteen sixty two and it was God, I can't 842 01:05:58,199 --> 01:06:00,960 remember exactly where it was. I wanted to say, but Zimbabwe, but 843 01:06:01,000 --> 01:06:10,039 it wasn't. It was m anyway. He was outside. They were outside 844 01:06:10,039 --> 01:06:14,039 and they saw these first. I think they saw four craft. It looked 845 01:06:14,039 --> 01:06:18,519 like one was repairing another one. And they kept seeing this. Um craft 846 01:06:18,559 --> 01:06:23,800 would show up. And one night they were outside and there it was, 847 01:06:23,880 --> 01:06:29,760 and there was actually looked like beings on top of the craft, and so 848 01:06:30,000 --> 01:06:35,519 the they waved, they waved at him, and the beings whatever they were, 849 01:06:35,679 --> 01:06:41,880 waved back. This is all according to father Gil and j Allen Heinik 850 01:06:42,840 --> 01:06:46,039 from Project Bluebook looked into that case and thought there was really something there was. 851 01:06:46,559 --> 01:06:50,440 They also had a situation with a flashlight. One of them took a 852 01:06:50,480 --> 01:06:55,320 flashlight they called it a torch, I guess, and and moved it back 853 01:06:55,360 --> 01:07:00,440 and forth and the craft moved back and forth, which was pretty bizarre and 854 01:07:00,599 --> 01:07:06,679 exciting. Yeah, yes, it's a pretty interesting case. So let's let 855 01:07:06,760 --> 01:07:11,760 me ask you a couple cases that I think always seem to make our turns. 856 01:07:12,000 --> 01:07:18,039 Give me your thoughts on the Rendelsheim Woodbridge Airbase, England, that famous 857 01:07:18,519 --> 01:07:26,000 involvement there. Well, I consider that my own personal in the top five 858 01:07:26,360 --> 01:07:31,039 of the UFO encounters. Myself. I've talked to a number of people that 859 01:07:31,119 --> 01:07:35,239 were involved, that were there. Charles Holt, I talked to him now 860 01:07:35,280 --> 01:07:40,920 and then I had him on my show a number of times. And I 861 01:07:40,960 --> 01:07:45,440 think it's a legit case. And if anyone's ever listened to the audio recording 862 01:07:45,880 --> 01:07:51,480 that he made, you know during the encounter, there's a long version of 863 01:07:51,519 --> 01:07:56,000 that. He didn't even know. I remember he told me he didn't even 864 01:07:56,039 --> 01:08:00,960 know how that actually got out online when it first did. But that whole 865 01:08:00,000 --> 01:08:05,039 case, I think, you know, there's a lot of controversy. There's 866 01:08:05,159 --> 01:08:11,519 some uh, there's a little bit of you know, convoluted tales between the 867 01:08:12,000 --> 01:08:15,840 different people. There there was some friction. Um, Larry Warren is kind 868 01:08:15,840 --> 01:08:23,239 of pushed out of the topic a little bit right now, Peter Robinson. 869 01:08:23,319 --> 01:08:28,199 Larry Warren did the book Left at Eastgate. I believe that's called that, 870 01:08:29,279 --> 01:08:34,000 and so there was there was some issues going on with that. But overall, 871 01:08:34,079 --> 01:08:39,880 that case is amazing. Happened in nineteen eighty over a period of a 872 01:08:39,880 --> 01:08:44,439 few days. And you know, when I've talked to I've sat and you 873 01:08:44,479 --> 01:08:48,840 know, just had a discussion with Charles Holt about you know, what he 874 01:08:48,920 --> 01:08:54,560 saw and the way the craft looked like an eyeball, sort of like dripping 875 01:08:54,640 --> 01:08:59,640 molten through the woods, you know, kind of going zigzagging between the trees 876 01:09:00,199 --> 01:09:03,319 and then it bursts into five lights. I mean, I love those bizarre 877 01:09:03,359 --> 01:09:08,600 stories, and I've heard I actually I'm going to have someone on my show 878 01:09:09,199 --> 01:09:11,880 that I was in a hotel last week. I'll just say this briefly, 879 01:09:12,640 --> 01:09:15,640 and I was filling out paperwork and I'm to be brief. We got plenty 880 01:09:15,640 --> 01:09:17,560 of time, I know, but I'm going to have her on my show, 881 01:09:17,600 --> 01:09:20,560 so I don't want to spoil it for my losses too much, but 882 01:09:20,720 --> 01:09:24,880 it's a long this. You know, she saw a very similar thing. 883 01:09:25,239 --> 01:09:28,600 I'm going to actually call her during my show and have her tell her story 884 01:09:28,640 --> 01:09:31,560 because I loved to hear stories of people that don't really have an interest in 885 01:09:31,680 --> 01:09:36,159 UFOs, but something happened. And you know, when I've talked to Charles 886 01:09:36,199 --> 01:09:41,479 Holt about that, he'll say, you know, I wish it never happened. 887 01:09:41,600 --> 01:09:44,920 I wish it was not part of my life. It's caused me more 888 01:09:44,960 --> 01:09:47,079 grief than anything else. And I believe him. I think he really feels 889 01:09:47,079 --> 01:09:56,359 that way very well. I will tell listeners that know my show to check 890 01:09:56,359 --> 01:10:00,479 out a couple of those pieces with the Ross Sharpe, who was a officer 891 01:10:00,600 --> 01:10:04,840 and a aero engineer in the ARIF, retired from the Royal Air Force, 892 01:10:05,319 --> 01:10:12,479 and he has a very interesting take on just the background behind the physical area 893 01:10:12,600 --> 01:10:17,479 of the Rendelsheim forst that part of England, the bases, the underground facilities 894 01:10:17,479 --> 01:10:21,840 that are there, the extensive underground facilities that are there. Very interesting take 895 01:10:21,880 --> 01:10:26,359 from someone who's originally from England. I'll listen the States very good friend, 896 01:10:26,479 --> 01:10:30,399 very good friend of the show. So there's some interesting parts and pieces to 897 01:10:30,600 --> 01:10:34,079 that. I will also note that when mister Lair was on the show, 898 01:10:35,399 --> 01:10:42,840 that is the event that made him a believer because he had a friend that 899 01:10:43,079 --> 01:10:46,000 someone he knew, a ten pilot that was stationed in Bentwaters, which is 900 01:10:46,000 --> 01:10:50,720 the other connecting area, the other connecting base in that area, who relayed 901 01:10:50,720 --> 01:10:55,640 to Bill all the activity that was going on in the lockdown that they were 902 01:10:55,680 --> 01:10:59,079 in and the night, you know, the three or so nights that they 903 01:10:59,079 --> 01:11:03,399 were going through these for an activity levels, and John just knew that this 904 01:11:03,640 --> 01:11:09,359 man was as straight as it came. There was just no reason for him 905 01:11:09,399 --> 01:11:14,680 to be interested. And when he brought these facts out and told him he 906 01:11:14,800 --> 01:11:17,039 was, he was intrigued and that's what sent him on the path that he's 907 01:11:17,319 --> 01:11:27,359 on in UFO discovery and research on his part interesting case. I've had the 908 01:11:27,800 --> 01:11:32,680 Ramsey's on a number of times. They're connected with the Aztec UFO. I 909 01:11:32,680 --> 01:11:39,159 think it's probably the best researched UFO event in the United States. I think 910 01:11:39,199 --> 01:11:43,239 their work is, bar none, the best that's out there. What's your 911 01:11:43,279 --> 01:11:49,479 take on their research and on that particular incident. Um Actually, you know, 912 01:11:49,600 --> 01:11:54,520 I've I'm kind of on the fence on that one, only because I've 913 01:11:54,520 --> 01:12:01,119 heard a number of people um stating that they think that basically it's a hoax. 914 01:12:01,760 --> 01:12:05,560 So I don't know, you know, I know that they have done 915 01:12:05,600 --> 01:12:09,920 a lot of, you know, in depth research, but I just don't 916 01:12:10,000 --> 01:12:14,840 know how how accurate it is. And I don't want to make enemies on 917 01:12:15,359 --> 01:12:19,119 this show or enemies of friends of your show. But I've heard some mixed, 918 01:12:19,399 --> 01:12:24,119 you know, a lot of mixed stories on that particular case, and 919 01:12:24,159 --> 01:12:27,199 I don't really know what to believe. There are a number there are a 920 01:12:27,199 --> 01:12:32,119 few cases out there that I that I have felt that way about you know, 921 01:12:32,199 --> 01:12:38,840 in that one, how about the ore most famous of the UFO cases, 922 01:12:39,399 --> 01:12:44,159 Broswell, that always seems to come up. Um, I think that 923 01:12:44,319 --> 01:12:47,880 something happened there. There's a I don't know exactly what happened. I know 924 01:12:47,960 --> 01:12:53,760 there's a I've talked to mc maloney and he says he doesn't think anything happened 925 01:12:53,760 --> 01:12:56,840 there other than you know what the Air Force is saying. But you know, 926 01:12:56,880 --> 01:13:01,560 the Air Force did lie five times on on what actually happened. You 927 01:13:01,600 --> 01:13:06,399 know, it's it's possible. It is possible it could have been something like 928 01:13:06,520 --> 01:13:14,800 the Mogul that they said it was. But I think there's there's just too 929 01:13:14,880 --> 01:13:19,920 much of smoke there to say that it was just you know, a military 930 01:13:20,880 --> 01:13:26,279 operation, because for one thing, you know a lot of people have made 931 01:13:26,319 --> 01:13:31,359 the argument that everything that they used in those Mogul balloons was you know, 932 01:13:31,520 --> 01:13:39,000 unclassified and nothing unusual. You know, whether it's a string of balloons would 933 01:13:39,039 --> 01:13:44,079 make the total difference. I don't know, but I think something happened. 934 01:13:44,079 --> 01:13:48,000 And the question I always asked people that are totally skeptic of it is why 935 01:13:48,359 --> 01:13:56,119 unearthed withoud the Air Force ever release for the newspapers that they found a disc 936 01:13:56,760 --> 01:14:00,680 in the first place. I mean, it's very simple, like if they 937 01:14:00,680 --> 01:14:04,159 didn't find one or if it was something else to say absolutely nothing. Why 938 01:14:04,199 --> 01:14:11,479 did they have the press release that they had found a disc there are a 939 01:14:11,600 --> 01:14:15,560 craft at all? Why would they do that and what's your thoughts on that? 940 01:14:15,720 --> 01:14:23,159 Particularly? I am a believer on the Aztec because of the level of 941 01:14:23,520 --> 01:14:29,039 research that has been done by the Ramseys and doctor there. I'm convinced of 942 01:14:29,239 --> 01:14:33,960 its legitimacy. That's the vehicle did crash there. There's too many parts and 943 01:14:34,000 --> 01:14:40,680 pieces that when you look at their extensive I mean they have laid out a 944 01:14:40,760 --> 01:14:45,880 case of legal type finding and fact and they keep opinion out of it. 945 01:14:47,159 --> 01:14:51,840 The roswell thing I tend to follow into Mac's camp that there's a lot of 946 01:14:51,840 --> 01:14:59,560 stuff that's there, and I'm wondering if if they had a set pack the 947 01:14:59,680 --> 01:15:05,239 three balloons together. I find interesting because of the possibility of it being a 948 01:15:05,279 --> 01:15:09,960 surveillance or a weapon system. As the Cold War is just starting up, 949 01:15:10,159 --> 01:15:15,600 the Japanese sailed numbers of balloons out of Japan trying to start fires, and 950 01:15:15,640 --> 01:15:20,960 they were prepared to put biological agents into into the mainland the United States and 951 01:15:21,119 --> 01:15:26,560 Canada by balloon delivery. They were they were ready to do that, they 952 01:15:26,560 --> 01:15:30,319 had tried. And there's a couple of small cases where there was I think 953 01:15:30,399 --> 01:15:35,560 believe a school teacher was killed when students on a field trip in Oregon found 954 01:15:35,760 --> 01:15:40,880 one of the balloons that had crashed that had the incendiary devices to set the 955 01:15:40,920 --> 01:15:45,840 woods on fire. And I've seen that activity that's come up in other ways 956 01:15:45,960 --> 01:15:49,439 like it. So the part about the disc doesn't fit real well. But 957 01:15:49,640 --> 01:15:56,840 I have been in enough just kind of day to day operations where there has 958 01:15:56,880 --> 01:16:06,159 been a mishap and the way that information gets transmitted and passed initially, things 959 01:16:06,279 --> 01:16:12,199 will get that screwed up. I mean, you'll have people that are reported 960 01:16:12,239 --> 01:16:19,039 as as killed when they're not. You'll have just a grievous amount of damage 961 01:16:19,039 --> 01:16:21,960 when it's not that way in vice versa, where you don't think anything bad 962 01:16:23,000 --> 01:16:28,399 has happened. So I can understand the confusion on that I tend to have. 963 01:16:28,640 --> 01:16:33,560 I guess a more sinister are a sneaky suspicion that somebody pretty early on 964 01:16:33,680 --> 01:16:40,359 realized because of everything that happened under the development of the atomic bomb, the 965 01:16:42,760 --> 01:16:45,760 fallout they'll pun intended. It really wasn't an intended part of it, but 966 01:16:45,840 --> 01:16:49,039 from that program, the amount of secrecy, the amount of people that were 967 01:16:49,079 --> 01:16:54,840 involved, and all the other activities that were going on around at that same 968 01:16:54,880 --> 01:16:58,600 time in that area of Roswell, in that particular part of the region of 969 01:16:58,600 --> 01:17:03,319 the United States. So I think that there is a good case for to 970 01:17:03,359 --> 01:17:08,359 go through it. And I think it also was a very telling case that 971 01:17:09,079 --> 01:17:15,079 the government, the Air Force learned very quickly that the press could be a 972 01:17:15,159 --> 01:17:18,760 very useful tool for disinformation, and I think it's a very good case of 973 01:17:19,000 --> 01:17:25,159 disinformation. And how that went and how it went forward from there, well, 974 01:17:25,239 --> 01:17:28,880 I could see I understand where you're going with that. One of the 975 01:17:28,960 --> 01:17:32,039 questions were that came up that the Air Force lied about, and it was 976 01:17:32,079 --> 01:17:36,600 a very obvious lie, was that there were a number of people that say 977 01:17:36,640 --> 01:17:45,000 they witnessed bodies, small bodies, and then the Air Force came out with 978 01:17:45,359 --> 01:17:53,039 they thought it was that there were crash test dummies that were actually know parachuted 979 01:17:53,800 --> 01:17:58,439 and that didn't hold water because they didn't start using them until nineteen fifty two. 980 01:17:58,800 --> 01:18:02,279 So that was an other lie, and it just just the fact that 981 01:18:02,319 --> 01:18:08,760 there was wise from the Air Force about what was going on. I understand 982 01:18:08,760 --> 01:18:12,479 what you're saying. Maybe they covered up that way, but still when it 983 01:18:12,520 --> 01:18:15,840 comes to you know, people stating that they saw you know, figures in 984 01:18:15,920 --> 01:18:21,600 the desert, and you know some there was I think some saying that one 985 01:18:21,760 --> 01:18:25,800 was alive, you know that type of thing. Yeah, I don't know. 986 01:18:27,920 --> 01:18:31,479 The one thing I think about Roswell. I think is interesting about Roswell 987 01:18:32,319 --> 01:18:36,319 is that it's becoming almost like a myth. And it has to do with 988 01:18:38,479 --> 01:18:43,960 as time goes on, there's so much, you know, there's the annual 989 01:18:43,960 --> 01:18:48,000 event, and there's you know, people really like dressing in costumes, and 990 01:18:48,479 --> 01:18:51,960 it's getting you know, out there with the tinfoil hats, and I think 991 01:18:53,000 --> 01:18:59,760 it's kind of all muddied up and eventually is going to just be something celebrated. 992 01:19:00,680 --> 01:19:04,000 No one will even have any answers because all the people that were involved, 993 01:19:04,119 --> 01:19:10,039 all the witnesses now are either dead or there's only I think there's only 994 01:19:10,039 --> 01:19:15,039 a couple left that actually claimed they saw something, which I know, you 995 01:19:15,039 --> 01:19:21,720 know, Stan Friedman started and then Don Schmidt and Carrie We're doing you know, 996 01:19:21,760 --> 01:19:28,039 interviews with people that claim they witnessed things I think it's an interesting case. 997 01:19:28,800 --> 01:19:33,680 It's certainly it's not resolved, and I, you know, I sort 998 01:19:33,680 --> 01:19:36,800 of have mixed feelings about it, but I think something happened. And I'm 999 01:19:36,840 --> 01:19:40,680 not sure if what you're talking about is what the answer is or not. 1000 01:19:40,760 --> 01:19:47,399 I really don't know. Turning towards New England the Hills, what do you 1001 01:19:47,399 --> 01:19:53,439 think of their case? I think it's very interesting. Before we go there, 1002 01:19:53,479 --> 01:19:58,720 just quickly for your listener that was in North Carolina that Lee text me 1003 01:19:59,359 --> 01:20:03,079 that location of that town was Lumberton. Lumberton, North Carolina. That's where 1004 01:20:03,079 --> 01:20:09,359 they have you. Uh huh oh yeah. Um. The Betty and Barney 1005 01:20:09,439 --> 01:20:13,119 Hill case, I think it is pretty interesting. I know of the niece, 1006 01:20:13,199 --> 01:20:18,039 Kathy Martin fairly well. We talked a bit in a very nice lady. 1007 01:20:18,800 --> 01:20:24,079 Um. I think that. Oh and by the way, the last 1008 01:20:24,079 --> 01:20:28,079 time I had her on my show, she actually broke down. She was 1009 01:20:28,159 --> 01:20:31,359 upset that she broke down on camera actually out in Phoenix when I had her 1010 01:20:31,399 --> 01:20:38,800 on the show. Because of what Betty and Barney had gone through. It 1011 01:20:38,880 --> 01:20:44,920 was very traumatic for them and it was very sad and they just didn't know 1012 01:20:44,960 --> 01:20:47,119 where to turn once the story got out. They didn't leak the story. 1013 01:20:47,159 --> 01:20:51,560 The story got out and they had to decide. She said she was right 1014 01:20:51,600 --> 01:20:56,279 there when they made the decision to either you know, run for it or 1015 01:20:56,399 --> 01:21:00,199 face it. And they decided to face it. And that really was very 1016 01:21:00,199 --> 01:21:04,439 emotional time. Um and you know, really upset Kathy to think about their 1017 01:21:04,479 --> 01:21:09,600 situation at the time. They did go through a lot of grief that case. 1018 01:21:10,279 --> 01:21:15,039 I know a lot of people or some people think that it never happened, 1019 01:21:15,800 --> 01:21:18,000 or that you know, something happened and they saw the light up on 1020 01:21:18,640 --> 01:21:24,079 the mountain instead they saw the Jack and lantern at the Jack Lantern restaurant instead 1021 01:21:24,119 --> 01:21:27,319 of um, you know, a craft. There's a lot of people, 1022 01:21:27,439 --> 01:21:30,279 you know, trying to put holes in it. I think it's I think 1023 01:21:30,359 --> 01:21:34,359 something happened along with you know, some other cases that are um, you 1024 01:21:34,399 --> 01:21:39,640 know really uh, you know, well known, they seem like they're out 1025 01:21:39,680 --> 01:21:44,720 there. For instance, the Alagash case. I think something really happened there 1026 01:21:44,720 --> 01:21:47,199 too. I don't know if you've looked into that yourself, but that is 1027 01:21:47,279 --> 01:21:55,359 quite I agree with on the Alagash case, there's enough there. Might you 1028 01:21:55,399 --> 01:21:58,920 made the remark about the tin fall hat so a little bit tongue in cheek 1029 01:21:58,960 --> 01:22:01,399 as I say this, but there's nothing wrong with putting tinfoil in your hat. 1030 01:22:04,079 --> 01:22:11,000 And some of the best teachers I've had, some of the best sources 1031 01:22:11,000 --> 01:22:15,760 of information, some of the most candid people I've been with, have been 1032 01:22:15,800 --> 01:22:24,000 the least formally educated folks that you can imagine. So I understand what the 1033 01:22:24,079 --> 01:22:29,640 remark means, and I do laugh with it because it's it's part of our 1034 01:22:29,640 --> 01:22:32,680 culture and it's part of the phenomena that goes on with that. But it's 1035 01:22:32,680 --> 01:22:36,039 sort of like that expression, just because you are apparently doesn't mean they're not 1036 01:22:36,119 --> 01:22:40,239 after you. Okay, that there is you know, there is that part 1037 01:22:40,279 --> 01:22:45,319 of it, you know, al ash, Yeah, there's definitely. There's 1038 01:22:45,399 --> 01:22:49,479 just too much that happens that I don't understand. There are I will not 1039 01:22:49,560 --> 01:22:56,359 go into depth of folks that have presented stuff that they've talked about and they 1040 01:22:56,359 --> 01:23:01,560 have nothing to substantiate or way to back it up. I believe that they 1041 01:23:01,600 --> 01:23:05,800 believe what they're saying. I believe that they've had some kind of an experience 1042 01:23:06,000 --> 01:23:10,920 and this is what they've connected to. This is what they're saying it is. 1043 01:23:12,239 --> 01:23:14,359 So on that same line, this is what I want to drive to 1044 01:23:14,720 --> 01:23:17,279 Miss Lazar, what do you think of him in his claims from Area fifty 1045 01:23:17,279 --> 01:23:28,199 one. You know the best part of Bob Lazar is George Napp. I 1046 01:23:28,279 --> 01:23:30,359 know that sounds kind of funny, but I think the world of George Knapp. 1047 01:23:30,439 --> 01:23:38,199 He's very very good broadcaster first of all, but also a very good 1048 01:23:38,279 --> 01:23:44,680 journalist and takes a lot of caution. That's the only type of validity that 1049 01:23:44,720 --> 01:23:48,880 I could possibly see. Now. I know there are so many holes in 1050 01:23:49,039 --> 01:23:55,960 how he got his education, and he probably did not go to MT like 1051 01:23:56,039 --> 01:24:00,720 he said, because you know, at a live interview someone asked him, 1052 01:24:00,760 --> 01:24:06,159 well, what's the monument outside of MIT or what's the square? And he 1053 01:24:06,159 --> 01:24:11,279 couldn't answer that and everybody that would ever go there would absolutely know that question. 1054 01:24:12,000 --> 01:24:18,600 So whether he somehow got in to Area fifty one without having the education, 1055 01:24:19,720 --> 01:24:26,000 I don't know. I know Stan Freedman's looked into his childhood, you 1056 01:24:26,039 --> 01:24:30,840 know, schooling, and I will say this, there's absolutely no doubt about 1057 01:24:30,880 --> 01:24:38,520 it that Bob Lazarre is highly intelligent. But whether he actually when his story 1058 01:24:38,560 --> 01:24:41,680 falls apart, and he actually did not go to these schools that he says 1059 01:24:41,720 --> 01:24:49,880 he went to. Being a fine art and antiqua praiser. We come across 1060 01:24:49,920 --> 01:24:55,760 a lot of fakes, and once we come across a fake and a house. 1061 01:24:55,800 --> 01:24:59,039 For instance, if I'm doing an appraisal and I'm in a house and 1062 01:24:59,079 --> 01:25:00,840 I see a fake pay and right away I can tell it's a fake. 1063 01:25:00,920 --> 01:25:03,920 Sometimes you have to do a lot of research before you can tell. But 1064 01:25:04,039 --> 01:25:10,000 everything is suspect. And that's how I feel about the MJ twelve documents. 1065 01:25:10,479 --> 01:25:15,159 That's how I feel about um Bob Blazar, Like, once there are some 1066 01:25:15,279 --> 01:25:21,560 untruths that are uncovered, how can you possibly believe the rest of it? 1067 01:25:24,000 --> 01:25:30,199 You know? That's kind of how I feel. M Do you think that 1068 01:25:30,279 --> 01:25:40,359 we have alien extraterrestrial aliens living amongst us? Now? In my gut, 1069 01:25:40,399 --> 01:25:45,199 my gut feeling is I don't think so. But that's only an opinion I 1070 01:25:45,319 --> 01:25:48,880 think. I think there's a lot of people that really do think that, 1071 01:25:49,039 --> 01:25:55,560 but I don't. I'm not feeling it, you know, I just think 1072 01:25:55,600 --> 01:26:01,159 that it would be a little too obvious. But okay, I'm not ruling 1073 01:26:01,159 --> 01:26:03,920 it out totally. It's just a no. I mean, I don't no 1074 01:26:04,079 --> 01:26:08,479 rational I don't think any ready reasonable rule any of it out. I mean, 1075 01:26:08,520 --> 01:26:11,960 it's just fairy to you know your state, you're how you which you 1076 01:26:12,039 --> 01:26:15,520 surmise based on what your your experience has been. Okay, I'm getting the 1077 01:26:15,520 --> 01:26:18,479 flash that we're coming up to the end of this block. Mark D'Antonio is 1078 01:26:18,479 --> 01:26:23,319 going to join us on the on the next part that should be fun. 1079 01:26:24,000 --> 01:26:31,279 Um, do you think this year eighteen going into nineteen, we're going to 1080 01:26:31,319 --> 01:26:39,720 see the major breaker that's going to put the evidence on on the world stage 1081 01:26:40,399 --> 01:26:44,359 that we are not the only beings that we have been visited. We've had 1082 01:26:44,560 --> 01:26:49,119 encounters that this this UFO, the exterrestrial part of it is is true. 1083 01:26:50,319 --> 01:26:55,000 Um, I think that we are. By the way, Um, Lee 1084 01:26:55,079 --> 01:26:59,560 Spiegel just texts me he thinks that aliens are living among us, so's that 1085 01:26:59,720 --> 01:27:06,560 he's listening to the show. I think that I think it's very possible, 1086 01:27:06,800 --> 01:27:15,920 because I think, if nothing else that that New York Times article and Alasando 1087 01:27:16,880 --> 01:27:19,800 and to the people like to the Stars. There's a lot of little this 1088 01:27:20,039 --> 01:27:25,760 kind of bashing about them out there. But I think that it's possible. 1089 01:27:26,239 --> 01:27:30,439 I think they've opened up the door to at least a serious look, and 1090 01:27:30,479 --> 01:27:36,439 I keep feeling like we're on the edge of discovering life out there somehow somewhere. 1091 01:27:38,720 --> 01:27:41,720 I feel like we're very close to that, and I hope I see 1092 01:27:41,760 --> 01:27:45,439 that in my lifetime, but I don't know for sure. You're listening to 1093 01:27:45,479 --> 01:27:48,800 Task Force Griffin on KGr Radio KGr radio dot Com. My guest tonight, 1094 01:27:49,600 --> 01:27:57,960 mister Martin Willis, been an unbelievably fast ninety minutes here that we've gone by 1095 01:27:58,079 --> 01:28:00,920 here, that's right, and were returning for our last block. Mark d 1096 01:28:00,920 --> 01:28:05,560 Antonio joining us Task Force Griffin KGr Radio, talking to the greatest audience on 1097 01:28:05,600 --> 01:28:11,399 the planet, Please join us. Three minutes clear. All right, let's 1098 01:28:11,399 --> 01:28:15,760 get Mark on and speedy recovery. I hope that Lee Spiegel is doing better, 1099 01:28:15,760 --> 01:28:17,159 because I know he was under the weather for a bit. Yeah. 1100 01:28:17,239 --> 01:28:20,720 Yeah, he's doing He's doing good. Good, Yeah, he's doing good. 1101 01:28:20,960 --> 01:28:26,439 Yeah. Mark, I'll see if I get Mark and video, I'll 1102 01:28:26,479 --> 01:28:31,239 squeeze me over here and let's see. Let's see if Mark has his video 1103 01:28:31,399 --> 01:28:38,159 updi Mark, do you got video capability right now so we can share it 1104 01:28:38,199 --> 01:28:44,520 on on Martin Willis's YouTube. I wish I did. I don't hang on, 1105 01:28:44,680 --> 01:28:47,319 let me see if I can camera and Mark be ready? Were hot? 1106 01:28:47,560 --> 01:28:51,039 The YouTube channels is acting. Yeah, yeah, we're actually going over 1107 01:28:51,079 --> 01:28:55,000 YouTube. How are you doing? Mark Good? How you doing Martin Good? 1108 01:28:55,039 --> 01:28:57,359 I know we've been texting back and forth, but I haven't talked about 1109 01:28:57,479 --> 01:29:00,680 yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, you don't tech me. Thanks. 1110 01:29:00,760 --> 01:29:03,880 I need to see where I stand. He doesn't. Exactly, that's exactly 1111 01:29:03,960 --> 01:29:09,720 right. No, no, um, Martin H and I were talking because 1112 01:29:10,079 --> 01:29:15,199 there was a possible show that we were I was supposed to be or asked 1113 01:29:15,199 --> 01:29:18,159 to be got part of. But uh, they didn't. They didn't pursue 1114 01:29:18,159 --> 01:29:21,800 it. You know, they wanted to. They only want to, but 1115 01:29:21,800 --> 01:29:25,119 it didn't matter. You know. It's like so many things going on. 1116 01:29:25,159 --> 01:29:29,439 It's okay, let me see here. How do I get this? Uh, 1117 01:29:29,560 --> 01:29:31,239 I'm all dud it up for you. By the way, Oh, 1118 01:29:31,399 --> 01:29:34,000 look at you. That's you know, that's usually the photograph I see. 1119 01:29:34,199 --> 01:29:40,680 That's a moving picture. That's you. That is so cool. Look at 1120 01:29:40,720 --> 01:29:43,880 you. Wow. I'm going to look while you're doing that. I'm going 1121 01:29:43,920 --> 01:29:45,279 to look in the chat room to see if we have any questions in there. 1122 01:29:46,159 --> 01:29:49,560 But I continue on you too, if you'd like. Yeah, I'm 1123 01:29:49,560 --> 01:29:54,239 trying to. We don't need much of an invitation to get into our fur 1124 01:29:54,319 --> 01:30:00,119 ball. That's uh huh how you've been feeling their role? Man? Are 1125 01:30:00,159 --> 01:30:05,479 you talking to Bill? Oh? I'm fine, I'm doing right. So 1126 01:30:05,600 --> 01:30:10,720 uh Bill, where's uh we're saying? How can I get my video on 1127 01:30:10,760 --> 01:30:13,600 this camera to work? Have to start this all over here with Skype or 1128 01:30:13,640 --> 01:30:18,319 what Well, you may have to go to tool options settings and oh you 1129 01:30:18,479 --> 01:30:25,600 just simply take the line out of the camera the video USB. Yeah you 1130 01:30:25,600 --> 01:30:31,800 should be. Let me see. Just make sure this video setting is okay. 1131 01:30:32,560 --> 01:30:34,920 Oh, look it's gonna work. Okay, So now I'll just say, 1132 01:30:36,359 --> 01:30:40,840 um, at least am I in? Is it working now? Yeah? 1133 01:30:40,960 --> 01:30:45,319 Yeah, you don't say it? Okay, hold on, I shouldn't 1134 01:30:45,359 --> 01:30:49,239 take the little line out of the video part on the call. Yeah, 1135 01:30:49,359 --> 01:30:51,199 yep, you're right. I can see it now. I gotta turn it 1136 01:30:51,199 --> 01:30:54,680 on. Okay, So it was there. I just had to do this. 1137 01:30:55,520 --> 01:31:01,640 Yeah, alright, alright, some espens here. Yes, I'm a 1138 01:31:01,680 --> 01:31:06,399 little tiny picture. I'm using a document reading webs webcam that I actually use 1139 01:31:06,479 --> 01:31:12,119 in the observatory for just like a little insect camera about that size. Actually, 1140 01:31:13,520 --> 01:31:15,520 gentlemen, we're coming back in about ten seconds. I might have to 1141 01:31:15,520 --> 01:31:18,760 switch back and forth between you two very nice. Can't seem to get both 1142 01:31:18,800 --> 01:31:26,800 of you on. Okay, okay and three two one go. Welcome back 1143 01:31:26,800 --> 01:31:30,399 to Task Force Griffin on KHR Radio, Kajar Radio dot com. My guest 1144 01:31:30,479 --> 01:31:33,479 night, Mark Wallace, just been joined by by next guest, Mark D'Antonio, 1145 01:31:33,840 --> 01:31:39,239 who we all know follows this show in a few minutes with his outstanding 1146 01:31:39,279 --> 01:31:44,479 efforts. You folks that are on YouTube and hearing the getting us set up 1147 01:31:44,479 --> 01:31:45,680 in the background, so a lot of the mystery, a lot of the 1148 01:31:46,039 --> 01:31:49,560 intrigue has been left on the floor, if you hear. I was trying 1149 01:31:49,560 --> 01:31:57,359 to get everybody stuff on and insect cameras and aces of spades being thrown around 1150 01:31:57,359 --> 01:32:00,119 and things like that. Good evening both you, gentlemen. Thank you for 1151 01:32:00,199 --> 01:32:04,920 joining us and talking to the greatest audience on the planet. Mark, I 1152 01:32:05,000 --> 01:32:09,920 know Martin already, correct, I do. Martin's a good friend. Yeah, 1153 01:32:10,159 --> 01:32:14,119 and thank you for allowing me to basically cut in on his time here 1154 01:32:14,479 --> 01:32:16,640 to night. Well, it's really it's up to Martin. He was very 1155 01:32:16,640 --> 01:32:21,600 excited that knowing that you wanted to jump on and we love your show, 1156 01:32:21,960 --> 01:32:27,239 and oh I love yours. Always fun well, thank you, it's always 1157 01:32:27,239 --> 01:32:30,000 fun together. It's a love fest. Yeah, yep, and that's not 1158 01:32:30,079 --> 01:32:33,960 a bad thing. Yeah. So let me ask you both a quick couple 1159 01:32:34,119 --> 01:32:45,920 questions where you think things are at m I am I'm I'm torn between two 1160 01:32:45,960 --> 01:32:48,439 parts some of the guests that I've had on I'm convinced that in this year 1161 01:32:48,600 --> 01:32:56,800 eighteen going into nineteen, we're going to have a major breakthrough in truth or 1162 01:32:56,840 --> 01:33:03,880 information and it's going to be around our UFO extraterrestrial and other and our other 1163 01:33:03,920 --> 01:33:11,520 activities. It could be something in just in the area of technology. When 1164 01:33:11,520 --> 01:33:15,560 we left the last section, Martin, you kind of thought that that possibilities 1165 01:33:15,600 --> 01:33:17,159 there. I don't want to put words in your mouth. What do you 1166 01:33:17,199 --> 01:33:23,039 both think about that? Do you think that we're at this point that we're 1167 01:33:23,039 --> 01:33:27,720 that the pressure is building to the point now that I think the reason that 1168 01:33:27,760 --> 01:33:30,960 we are in the difficulty we're in is we got so used to lying and 1169 01:33:30,000 --> 01:33:35,000 got used to lying in the name of national security. And that's an easy 1170 01:33:35,079 --> 01:33:38,600 label to throw on. I mean, the times that we've been living through, 1171 01:33:38,680 --> 01:33:42,880 probably for the last ten fifteen years, a lot of bad things have 1172 01:33:42,920 --> 01:33:46,920 happened. Put the stamp on it national security, and that's the reason why 1173 01:33:46,960 --> 01:33:53,640 you try to bury it. I'll let you think. I think makes the 1174 01:33:53,680 --> 01:33:57,960 truth coming out very difficult because we now live in an age that you can 1175 01:33:58,000 --> 01:34:00,000 go back and find out, well, we knew this for twenty years, 1176 01:34:00,000 --> 01:34:05,239 thirty years, forty years. Actually, I do have something I can say 1177 01:34:05,239 --> 01:34:11,079 about that, Commander. I really like your love your helmet. Man, 1178 01:34:11,079 --> 01:34:15,479 that's great. It's just great anyway, And yeah, they very good. 1179 01:34:15,479 --> 01:34:18,119 Boy, you might get one, Oh you kidding me. I'd love to 1180 01:34:18,159 --> 01:34:25,319 just try one on. Yeah, now the tank your question. I know 1181 01:34:25,439 --> 01:34:29,640 for a fact, and this was just from my experience that there were some 1182 01:34:29,760 --> 01:34:31,760 really weird things that I have witnessed, you know, in my life. 1183 01:34:31,800 --> 01:34:34,520 You know, I'm a science guy. So again I've said this often enough 1184 01:34:34,560 --> 01:34:36,560 that people will say, yeah, yeah, you're saying this again. But 1185 01:34:38,119 --> 01:34:40,560 you know, these things don't happen to me. Until they do, then 1186 01:34:40,600 --> 01:34:42,800 what do you do with it? You know, you've got to do something 1187 01:34:42,840 --> 01:34:46,439 with what you experienced. So in my case, you know that I had 1188 01:34:46,439 --> 01:34:50,760 that experience when I was on board that submarine and I can't shake that. 1189 01:34:51,239 --> 01:35:00,479 And that was something that was secretive back then. Program that was continuing from 1190 01:35:00,720 --> 01:35:05,600 years past, and it continued to be enforced for many years after that. 1191 01:35:05,760 --> 01:35:11,680 I think because it was many years after that when I actually talked to the 1192 01:35:11,720 --> 01:35:15,319 folks and the higher ups in the Navy who basically worked directly for the president, 1193 01:35:15,680 --> 01:35:18,279 and I asked them, you know, I asked one particular guy, 1194 01:35:18,560 --> 01:35:20,600 you know, what can you tell me about that? And he basically said 1195 01:35:20,640 --> 01:35:24,840 he can't talk about that program. Now, he could have said what program, 1196 01:35:24,880 --> 01:35:27,640 I don't know what you're talking about, but he didn't. He said, 1197 01:35:27,640 --> 01:35:30,600 I can't talk about that particular program. I thought that was an interesting 1198 01:35:30,600 --> 01:35:34,239 response because that was him saying, I'm not going to tell you anything, 1199 01:35:34,239 --> 01:35:36,800 but by not saying anything, I'll say in a way that will make you 1200 01:35:36,880 --> 01:35:41,319 understand it's still going on. I'd love to tell you about it. Can't 1201 01:35:41,399 --> 01:35:44,359 kind of a thing, you know, that's it's something there there is, 1202 01:35:44,439 --> 01:35:47,359 And that was something that I kind of always knew in my head. The 1203 01:35:47,439 --> 01:35:50,960 Russians came out and said that there were these unknown submerged objects moving at high 1204 01:35:51,000 --> 01:35:56,359 speed underwater. Other navies have said that these things have been out there. 1205 01:35:57,279 --> 01:36:00,119 You know, I don't. I make no bones about the fact that I 1206 01:36:00,159 --> 01:36:04,840 have no idea what they really are are. The extraterrestrial well, we tend 1207 01:36:04,840 --> 01:36:08,840 to leap toward that, don't we. You know, we crossed a wide 1208 01:36:08,920 --> 01:36:13,279 gulf, you know, going by all the other potential possibilities, and leap 1209 01:36:13,359 --> 01:36:16,520 into aliens all the time. You know, we see the Georgio memes, 1210 01:36:16,560 --> 01:36:19,359 you know that says it's aliens, you know. But the fact is we 1211 01:36:19,439 --> 01:36:23,600 don't know what it is, and the fact that we don't know what it 1212 01:36:23,680 --> 01:36:29,119 is lead us down the path that might take us to that position because we 1213 01:36:29,159 --> 01:36:31,439 don't know of anything on the planet that can do what we see. So 1214 01:36:31,960 --> 01:36:33,640 that's where I leave it. I say, I don't know what it is, 1215 01:36:33,840 --> 01:36:39,840 but it's something that we don't understand. And Commander, do you mind 1216 01:36:39,880 --> 01:36:45,920 if I ask my mind? If I ask Mark a questions? Not so 1217 01:36:45,920 --> 01:36:53,640 so Mark being an astronomer. The question I have for you as if there 1218 01:36:53,800 --> 01:36:59,720 is in fact, possibly billions of planets out there, possibly even in our 1219 01:37:00,159 --> 01:37:03,119 system, that maybe harboring intelligent life. Just say, if there is, 1220 01:37:04,039 --> 01:37:09,760 why on Earth would we be so special that they would be here visiting us? 1221 01:37:09,880 --> 01:37:14,680 Why would you think that would happen? Well, if you go back 1222 01:37:14,680 --> 01:37:18,520 to Samaria, you know, ancient Samaria, and you you consider the Cuneiform 1223 01:37:18,600 --> 01:37:25,600 language, which was pretty much the first written history that you know, Homo 1224 01:37:25,680 --> 01:37:30,680 sapiens started to keep track of. You find that we've been around, in 1225 01:37:30,720 --> 01:37:34,399 that case, historically keeping records for about five thousand years. We don't count 1226 01:37:34,439 --> 01:37:40,199 the cave pictographs and the petroglyphs pecked into cliffs and stuff like that. I 1227 01:37:40,199 --> 01:37:42,840 mean, I do, but I mean in this particular case, let's just 1228 01:37:43,319 --> 01:37:45,600 for the record just state that I'm going to take it from say cuniform forward. 1229 01:37:46,239 --> 01:37:49,720 So from that point of view, if you look at if you look 1230 01:37:49,720 --> 01:37:56,880 at what happened, you know in that five thousand years, we were bred 1231 01:37:56,920 --> 01:38:00,279 to be a very curious species. We evolved to be very curious. We 1232 01:38:00,319 --> 01:38:04,560 wanted answers. Why why does a species evolve and need to look for answers? 1233 01:38:05,479 --> 01:38:10,079 Why does the species care where they come from? Okay, this is 1234 01:38:10,119 --> 01:38:15,199 something that you know, I don't have an answer for. But the one 1235 01:38:15,199 --> 01:38:19,079 thing I can say is this may might be a template that the universe provides 1236 01:38:19,119 --> 01:38:26,000 for based on how we were built from these amino acids, these particular chemistry 1237 01:38:26,039 --> 01:38:30,760 that came together the DNA deoxyribin clinic acid that we're all made of. Maybe 1238 01:38:30,800 --> 01:38:35,239 this is something that has in it within it a template of sorts. Okay, 1239 01:38:35,359 --> 01:38:41,560 As an example, all higher life forms on this planet have bilateral symmetry 1240 01:38:41,720 --> 01:38:44,920 in the way that they interact with their world. Their internal organs are arranged 1241 01:38:44,960 --> 01:38:46,680 all differently, but they have symmetry in the outside they interact with their world. 1242 01:38:47,159 --> 01:38:49,359 Well, that's a template. See, that's what I'm getting at. 1243 01:38:49,399 --> 01:38:53,479 That's a template provided by the universe and the way their life formed on this 1244 01:38:53,520 --> 01:38:57,960 planet, that all these higher life forms will have that type of symmetry. 1245 01:38:58,399 --> 01:39:00,439 We didn't have to have symmetry. I mean, why don't we have pogo 1246 01:39:00,479 --> 01:39:05,760 stick coles bo boing boing boing hopping around pastures. We don't because the symmetry 1247 01:39:06,039 --> 01:39:10,640 is required. It's somehow required for life. So that's what I mean by 1248 01:39:10,680 --> 01:39:14,600 template. So if there's a template for the way life develops, then maybe 1249 01:39:14,600 --> 01:39:18,079 there's a template for the way the beings think. So if we're gonna go 1250 01:39:18,199 --> 01:39:25,119 and look for life elsewhere because we're curious, then I suspect that there's other 1251 01:39:25,159 --> 01:39:27,720 beings out there they are just as curious and are doing the same thing. 1252 01:39:28,199 --> 01:39:31,039 Now what would they look for? All right? We know food? When 1253 01:39:31,079 --> 01:39:34,920 I happen there's something to eat? Well, if they can cross, if 1254 01:39:35,319 --> 01:39:39,720 if they can cross the gulf between the stars, then eating is not one 1255 01:39:39,760 --> 01:39:44,640 of their big problems, okay, because they go so using your example, 1256 01:39:45,359 --> 01:39:49,560 people that take lair jets to fly a specific kind of tuna or beef from 1257 01:39:49,600 --> 01:39:55,439 one part of the globe to the other when they could get something locally grown, 1258 01:39:56,279 --> 01:40:00,439 you don't see that on an extra extraterrestrial scale. I think that we 1259 01:40:00,479 --> 01:40:04,119 have to talk about scale. Actually, we need to talk about the scale 1260 01:40:04,479 --> 01:40:11,399 of these events. If an extraterrestrial species is coming from say the nearest star 1261 01:40:11,800 --> 01:40:16,000 four point three light years away, the energy requirement to get here from there, 1262 01:40:16,039 --> 01:40:20,760 even with what we see now in our limited existence only you know, 1263 01:40:21,039 --> 01:40:26,800 five thousand years of tuneiform forward okay, written history. Okay, in that 1264 01:40:26,840 --> 01:40:30,600 timeframe, we see ways to defeat the speed of light as a light speed 1265 01:40:30,840 --> 01:40:34,960 as a speed light speed limit, right, So another race would also but 1266 01:40:35,119 --> 01:40:39,680 we see that there are stupendous amounts of energy that we'd require to do that 1267 01:40:39,720 --> 01:40:44,079 to actually beat that that limit. So another race would also have that, 1268 01:40:44,680 --> 01:40:48,880 and that technology would be very expensive because the energy would be a commodity in 1269 01:40:48,960 --> 01:40:55,960 any civilization where this becomes a thing. So you do have on this planet. 1270 01:40:55,960 --> 01:41:00,560 The ultrawealthy who might fly to Paris to have a steak and in wine 1271 01:41:00,000 --> 01:41:04,000 and then fly back to New York, okay, in their in their private 1272 01:41:04,079 --> 01:41:08,680 chet. But the scale of that travel, the cost of that travel, 1273 01:41:08,880 --> 01:41:13,960 is something that's absorbed within that person's wealth packet. Okay, that the ball 1274 01:41:13,960 --> 01:41:17,000 of wealth that one person, that one you know family has per se. 1275 01:41:17,119 --> 01:41:26,039 Okay. Now, an extraterrestrial species probably has to have gone planet wide and 1276 01:41:26,159 --> 01:41:30,479 have this consensus amongst everyone on the planet, every being that's intelligent, that 1277 01:41:30,520 --> 01:41:34,039 they're going to travel to another star, and to do that is going to 1278 01:41:34,119 --> 01:41:40,359 require stupendous amounts of energy, even if you're an advanced species, and you're 1279 01:41:40,359 --> 01:41:43,880 going to have to use some of that energy in order to do it. 1280 01:41:44,479 --> 01:41:47,920 I don't think they're going to travel here to take a Commander Cobra and make 1281 01:41:48,000 --> 01:41:51,920 him lunch, all right, Um, I mean I am an acquired taste, 1282 01:41:51,920 --> 01:41:57,720 but that doesn't neither really be set here at this I'm not gonna I 1283 01:41:57,800 --> 01:42:00,399 will. I will not go there. You've got you've got a will helmet 1284 01:42:00,479 --> 01:42:01,920 on, and you might not let me try it on if I don't you 1285 01:42:01,960 --> 01:42:06,279 know, you agree with you. But I just think that we have a 1286 01:42:06,279 --> 01:42:13,520 lot, there's a lot of considerations, and an alien species if they're curious, 1287 01:42:13,720 --> 01:42:17,119 if curiosity is also a template to life in the universe, then I 1288 01:42:17,159 --> 01:42:24,159 think an alien species is probably going to look for beings like themselves, all 1289 01:42:24,239 --> 01:42:27,079 right. And the reason they would look for beings like themselves is because of 1290 01:42:27,119 --> 01:42:31,000 the fact that that's what we do. And why should they be any different. 1291 01:42:31,520 --> 01:42:34,159 You know, they may not have the same morality as us, for 1292 01:42:34,199 --> 01:42:39,800 instance, and that could be possible. They might not have the same philosophies 1293 01:42:39,800 --> 01:42:45,199 of course, or the same cultural beliefs naturally, but they'll be different in 1294 01:42:45,239 --> 01:42:49,399 the same way that the Rapa Nui on Eastern Island were different to the Polynesian 1295 01:42:49,439 --> 01:42:53,399 island. There's the first time they found them, you know, that was 1296 01:42:53,439 --> 01:42:56,680 a very different, you know, very different meeting, for sure, you 1297 01:42:56,760 --> 01:43:01,159 know. So. And I think that the science is what stands between us, 1298 01:43:01,199 --> 01:43:04,479 our science level and their science level is what stands between us right now. 1299 01:43:04,640 --> 01:43:09,319 That separates us. If we have a if we have an acquired science 1300 01:43:09,319 --> 01:43:13,319 that we get to take us to the stars, then we're going to be 1301 01:43:13,359 --> 01:43:17,000 more one more uneven footing with them, and that maybe that maybe that's a 1302 01:43:17,000 --> 01:43:21,439 concern. You know, I might be concerned that these crazy beings are going 1303 01:43:21,479 --> 01:43:27,239 to come to my planet or come to my star system. But if they're 1304 01:43:27,239 --> 01:43:30,399 going to search for a life elsewhere, I think that they're going to look 1305 01:43:30,399 --> 01:43:36,520 for, um, the chemicals in the atmosphere that they need to live and 1306 01:43:36,600 --> 01:43:42,039 see if it's in our atmosphere. No, we evolved a carbon base, 1307 01:43:42,800 --> 01:43:47,000 and we evolved to breathe oxygen, So they're gonna look for planets that perhaps 1308 01:43:47,039 --> 01:43:54,760 have oxygen if they have the same developer. So we would stand out quite 1309 01:43:54,760 --> 01:44:00,319 easily actually, um as a planet surrounding a relatively normal star that has an 1310 01:44:00,319 --> 01:44:06,479 oxygenated atmosphere, because anytime you have oxygen in an atmosphere, it's really not 1311 01:44:06,520 --> 01:44:11,920 supposed to be there. Our planet has not been an equilibrium since life began 1312 01:44:11,960 --> 01:44:15,520 on this planet. It's actually in what's called disequilibrium. We don't have an 1313 01:44:15,520 --> 01:44:20,319 equilibrium setting on our planet. That's been met. Okay, the only way 1314 01:44:20,319 --> 01:44:24,000 back in the beginning when the Earth was first formed, but after the atmosphere 1315 01:44:24,079 --> 01:44:27,560 came along and most importantly life. You know these you know, three point 1316 01:44:27,560 --> 01:44:31,239 eight billion years ago, these cyanobacteria that started pumping oxygen into the atmosphere the 1317 01:44:31,279 --> 01:44:36,479 oceans, which started sucking up carbon dioxide, thus making the atmosphere thinner and 1318 01:44:36,600 --> 01:44:41,359 more palatable for more life forms. Still, and then in those oceans that 1319 01:44:41,479 --> 01:44:45,920 formed the plankton, the phytoplankton that began in there. Those are the along 1320 01:44:45,920 --> 01:44:50,600 with plants, with the main oxygen producers on the planet. So they keep 1321 01:44:50,720 --> 01:44:58,560 that level of oxygen falsely and artificially elevated way higher. And if they didn't 1322 01:44:58,560 --> 01:45:00,880 do that, then this plant, and it would that oxygen would of course 1323 01:45:00,960 --> 01:45:03,840 leach back it out into the soils. It would you know, oxydize many 1324 01:45:03,880 --> 01:45:09,640 things and go into the water and oxidize uh you know, uh elements in 1325 01:45:09,680 --> 01:45:13,079 the in the water and form all these these other chemistry, all this other 1326 01:45:13,119 --> 01:45:16,800 chemistry, and so the oxygen would eventually be depleted. So I'm gonna I 1327 01:45:16,800 --> 01:45:19,279 gotta throw a last two on you, because you know, rodeo is my 1328 01:45:19,319 --> 01:45:25,359 favorite sport, I know, really yeah, absolutely, bull riding. I 1329 01:45:25,359 --> 01:45:27,760 mean, if you want to talk a sport, that's the sport bull rdding. 1330 01:45:27,800 --> 01:45:30,960 The rest of that stuff is a waste of time. Now, but 1331 01:45:31,119 --> 01:45:34,560 that said, now, another facet of the jewel of Commander Cobra has been 1332 01:45:34,600 --> 01:45:38,800 revealed to the That is one. That's a heck of a gem. Let 1333 01:45:38,840 --> 01:45:43,119 me tell you. Um, I'm gonna I'm gonna take it around the wheelhouse, 1334 01:45:43,600 --> 01:45:49,079 all right. Do you believe in extraterrestrial life? Yes? No, 1335 01:45:49,840 --> 01:45:56,520 yes, yes, Martin, Uh that's a ten four yes. Okay, 1336 01:45:57,840 --> 01:46:00,479 that means yes, Commander. I don't know if you know that, yeah, 1337 01:46:00,079 --> 01:46:02,119 if you, if you were listening to the show, you would have 1338 01:46:02,119 --> 01:46:06,560 known. We had our little CB interlude when I was part of an Air 1339 01:46:06,560 --> 01:46:13,479 Force program inavertently frying CB radios on ten different story for a different time. 1340 01:46:13,680 --> 01:46:15,359 Kind of hush, hush, we don't want to talk about it. Classification 1341 01:46:15,560 --> 01:46:21,000 breaker one nine, breaker one nine. With that said, yep, back 1342 01:46:21,000 --> 01:46:26,560 to you, sir. Do you believe we have been visited? Am I 1343 01:46:26,600 --> 01:46:30,479 the sir? Yes, I think so, Yes, Okay, I wasn't 1344 01:46:30,520 --> 01:46:35,279 sure enough. Um well, um my feeling is that I think that it's 1345 01:46:35,359 --> 01:46:40,680 it's very possible. Okay, although I'm not the same thing. I'm done. 1346 01:46:40,680 --> 01:46:45,800 I'm not gonna say I think it's I think it's highly likely. I 1347 01:46:46,239 --> 01:46:51,319 can't say for certain, but I think it's highly likely. It makes more 1348 01:46:51,359 --> 01:46:57,640 sense than a lot of other um, a lot of other ideas, hypothesis 1349 01:46:57,640 --> 01:47:01,960 of what what's going on? Okay, great, I'm definitely much more in 1350 01:47:02,000 --> 01:47:06,039 the affirmative than the two of you. There's no doubt in my mind about 1351 01:47:06,119 --> 01:47:11,399 it. But I have nothing that I can point to as a definitive fact 1352 01:47:11,520 --> 01:47:14,159 on that. Well, that's how I feel too. Actually, I mean, 1353 01:47:14,199 --> 01:47:17,640 all right, do you back to our my earlier part of this question 1354 01:47:17,640 --> 01:47:25,279 that kind of lead this up. Do you think this is the time period 1355 01:47:25,359 --> 01:47:30,880 that we are going to our in our lifetimes, the remaining of our lifetimes, 1356 01:47:30,920 --> 01:47:33,640 if we have no projections, all those happy things, I expect my 1357 01:47:33,640 --> 01:47:36,720 two guests are going to have many, many more trips or complete trips around 1358 01:47:36,720 --> 01:47:41,399 the sun. That's what I hope for. Do you think it's going to 1359 01:47:41,439 --> 01:47:44,960 happen that we're going to get the word that we're going to get the evidence 1360 01:47:45,399 --> 01:47:49,760 everything from the day that the Earth stood still kind of moment to finally the 1361 01:47:50,199 --> 01:47:54,680 books will crack open in the files and yep, we did have the meeting, 1362 01:47:54,680 --> 01:47:57,960 Eisenhower did sit down with the aliens. That did occur, you know, 1363 01:47:58,600 --> 01:48:09,760 irrefutable written video proof. Do you think it's going to happen? Yeah? 1364 01:48:10,319 --> 01:48:12,800 Because I'm happy to defer if you want to go first. No, 1365 01:48:12,920 --> 01:48:16,720 no, I want you to go first. Okay, Um, I think 1366 01:48:16,760 --> 01:48:23,760 that it will not happen, and uh, you need an explanation because I'd 1367 01:48:23,760 --> 01:48:26,319 be happy to talk. We'll circle back, Martin, what do you think 1368 01:48:28,319 --> 01:48:31,760 you're basically so you're basically asking the question that we're going to have disclosure? 1369 01:48:31,840 --> 01:48:38,359 Is that is that we're gonna finally have the ear just unrefuted. It's it's 1370 01:48:38,359 --> 01:48:41,960 just going to be the evidence in any of those formats that I put out, 1371 01:48:42,119 --> 01:48:45,279 you know, the vehicle finally unmasked and it lands and it you know, 1372 01:48:45,319 --> 01:48:50,279 it's the the day the earthstra till still still type scenario, or you 1373 01:48:50,319 --> 01:48:54,319 know, the records that have been capped, the programs that have gone on, 1374 01:48:54,359 --> 01:48:58,960 the X files kind of thing that that's gone on occurs. I don't 1375 01:48:58,960 --> 01:49:00,359 think that it's going to have any thing to do with our government. Like 1376 01:49:00,479 --> 01:49:06,920 a lot of people have bought into like and are working hard. Like Steve 1377 01:49:06,960 --> 01:49:11,920 Bassett's job. I brought him up a few times. I don't think that 1378 01:49:11,960 --> 01:49:16,880 we're going to have government disclosure that we have aliens visiting or have visited. 1379 01:49:17,479 --> 01:49:23,720 But I think that it may reveal itself sooner or later. I don't know 1380 01:49:23,760 --> 01:49:27,119 if it's going to be in my lifetime or not. So I think that's 1381 01:49:27,319 --> 01:49:30,640 I think that eventually that will happen. It will reveal itself that they are 1382 01:49:30,720 --> 01:49:34,000 here. All right. I got a question from the chatwoman. I'm going 1383 01:49:34,039 --> 01:49:39,520 to add a little bit to it. Do both of you think that human 1384 01:49:39,560 --> 01:49:43,600 beings are from Earth, that they evolved from the Earth as a whale but 1385 01:49:43,720 --> 01:49:47,119 it or do you believe that we were planted here, seated, or a 1386 01:49:47,159 --> 01:49:53,359 combination where there's been some kind of alteration. I'll take this one. Oh 1387 01:49:53,439 --> 01:50:00,720 well, because I've been I've been communicating with Lee Spiegel and on this, 1388 01:50:00,800 --> 01:50:02,079 and I wanted to bring this up. When I was in high school, 1389 01:50:02,439 --> 01:50:06,079 I wrote an essay in English and I actually got an a on it, 1390 01:50:06,119 --> 01:50:11,039 which was a real occasion in the language English or was it in English class 1391 01:50:11,039 --> 01:50:15,119 which was going in English? Both? It was English. Yeah, Park 1392 01:50:15,199 --> 01:50:16,199 was going to ask. I could see him just he was getting ready to 1393 01:50:16,199 --> 01:50:19,039 come right through the screen. Now he was going to put oh no, 1394 01:50:19,079 --> 01:50:25,479 not me, no. So I basically said, of the reason that there 1395 01:50:25,520 --> 01:50:30,880 are so many different races and they're so different around the world is because we 1396 01:50:30,880 --> 01:50:35,560 were seated by extraterrestrial I actually wrote that in high school. I forgot all 1397 01:50:35,600 --> 01:50:43,880 about it until I met I met someone that cloud, an insurance agent of 1398 01:50:43,920 --> 01:50:47,439 mine, a broker, who said that when he was in Vietnam he actually 1399 01:50:47,439 --> 01:50:53,760 worked in a special special part of the Air Force that studied UFOs. And 1400 01:50:53,880 --> 01:50:58,600 I remembered it then because I said to him, why are they here? 1401 01:50:58,640 --> 01:51:00,399 And I said, you know, when I was in high schoo I wrote 1402 01:51:00,399 --> 01:51:03,720 this essay and I told him that, you know, we're possibly seated different 1403 01:51:03,800 --> 01:51:08,439 races to see how would get along. And he said, that's kind of 1404 01:51:08,439 --> 01:51:10,880 what the This is what he said. Okay, now I don't know. 1405 01:51:10,920 --> 01:51:13,800 I could never find him again, but he said, that's kind of what 1406 01:51:13,840 --> 01:51:18,119 the government thinks is thinks that we're more like a Petri dish. And I 1407 01:51:18,159 --> 01:51:21,479 think it was fascinating, you know, I mean, whether it's true or 1408 01:51:21,520 --> 01:51:27,520 not, I think it is a possibility, definitely that we are an experiment. 1409 01:51:27,520 --> 01:51:30,680 And that's what Lee Spiegel just text me, more or less, that 1410 01:51:30,720 --> 01:51:33,520 we're being watched to see how their experiment goes. I don't know, it's 1411 01:51:33,520 --> 01:51:38,760 possibly, wouldn't want to, I wouldn't. I sure hope we're not disappointing 1412 01:51:38,800 --> 01:51:43,039 them. I know I'm pretty disappointed when I see Mark the question to you, 1413 01:51:43,039 --> 01:51:47,600 your answers are well, my answer is kind of diametrically opposed. I 1414 01:51:47,600 --> 01:51:53,439 don't believe we were seated. Actually, I think that we are. I 1415 01:51:53,479 --> 01:51:56,720 think that you know, you don't have to you don't have to jump to 1416 01:51:56,800 --> 01:52:02,319 aliens to see what we have here as a normal outcome for the different environments, 1417 01:52:02,319 --> 01:52:09,439 the different continental uh, you know, arrangements to different materials and and 1418 01:52:09,479 --> 01:52:14,199 so forth, different amounts of sunlight. I think that the thing that's most 1419 01:52:14,199 --> 01:52:20,159 important here is that all you have to do is well, lick your forearm. 1420 01:52:23,359 --> 01:52:25,800 Okay, here we go. Hey, you look your forearm. Okay, 1421 01:52:26,600 --> 01:52:30,239 what do you taste? Don't don't be funny now. Okay, what's 1422 01:52:30,319 --> 01:52:34,520 the thing about your body? Okay? Your body is salty? Right right? 1423 01:52:34,520 --> 01:52:38,479 You have a salinity in your body. Do you know where that comes 1424 01:52:38,479 --> 01:52:42,920 from? That salinity? Yes, it's a vestigial ocean that we carry around 1425 01:52:42,960 --> 01:52:45,239 in this organ we call the skin because we were once in the ocean. 1426 01:52:45,279 --> 01:52:49,199 We when we evolved out of the ocean, we like turtles, carried the 1427 01:52:49,239 --> 01:52:53,640 water on our back effectively, except we called it, you know, skin 1428 01:52:54,279 --> 01:52:58,039 and we carry that vestigial ocean around with us every day, and we have 1429 01:52:58,239 --> 01:53:02,159 since we've evolved out of the ocean. That's why, that's why we have 1430 01:53:02,439 --> 01:53:08,079 that salinity in our skin, all right. Now. This is a This 1431 01:53:08,159 --> 01:53:13,760 is something that tells me that we evolved here. And I don't see any 1432 01:53:13,800 --> 01:53:17,319 reason to suggest aliens had some kind of hand in it. I think that 1433 01:53:17,399 --> 01:53:21,560 the planet and the life forms here are more than capable of evolving themselves. 1434 01:53:21,840 --> 01:53:25,880 Look at some of the other life forms that have evolved in this planet that 1435 01:53:25,920 --> 01:53:30,600 aren't human but our animal Some of these life forms have such an incredible evolutionary 1436 01:53:30,680 --> 01:53:36,119 tree. Well did nobody help them? Yet they went through this unbelievable turn 1437 01:53:36,159 --> 01:53:42,560 of events throughout their evolution and became what they are, all right, and 1438 01:53:43,079 --> 01:53:46,479 nothing helped them along the way. And that you have to you have to 1439 01:53:46,520 --> 01:53:50,840 literally jump to say every bit of the life forms, that every life form, 1440 01:53:50,920 --> 01:53:55,640 no matter what it is, and this planet was seated, and you'd 1441 01:53:55,680 --> 01:53:58,399 have to say that it was all of them or none of them. You 1442 01:53:58,439 --> 01:54:00,920 can't just say it was humans because that falls down on the fact that we 1443 01:54:01,000 --> 01:54:04,680 have this ocean within us that we carry, you know, So you would 1444 01:54:04,720 --> 01:54:10,479 have to have seeded life on this planet when there was just oceans on the 1445 01:54:10,520 --> 01:54:15,399 planet. And I can't answer whether that happened or not. But I just 1446 01:54:15,520 --> 01:54:19,960 know that evolution has its own course that it follows, uh not every destination, 1447 01:54:20,000 --> 01:54:24,720 and evolution is intelligence, as we obviously know. Well, I be 1448 01:54:24,880 --> 01:54:30,760 driven on any major road as a later been on public transportation. That statement 1449 01:54:30,760 --> 01:54:34,800 there, doctor, there's that, there's that, But that's my point, 1450 01:54:34,800 --> 01:54:39,119 okay, that you know, we don't need to leap to aliens. And 1451 01:54:39,159 --> 01:54:42,239 I believe that aliens exists. I believe that there's alien life and in fact, 1452 01:54:42,239 --> 01:54:44,880 I believe it might even be here. You know, we, like 1453 01:54:44,920 --> 01:54:46,880 I said, we're only five thousand years into our written history or so, 1454 01:54:47,399 --> 01:54:53,359 and you know, again not counting pictographs and petroglyphs. And from that position, 1455 01:54:53,399 --> 01:54:57,920 we can already see that we can defeat that light speed barrier, you 1456 01:54:57,960 --> 01:55:01,319 know, with some technology that that's bit over our horizon right now. But 1457 01:55:01,880 --> 01:55:06,920 because it's so favorable now, because it's come such a long way, there's 1458 01:55:08,359 --> 01:55:13,279 you know, Sunny White at NASA is investigating this throning el Kubiri drive, 1459 01:55:13,680 --> 01:55:16,920 which is the warp drive, right and they've got a funded lab to study 1460 01:55:16,960 --> 01:55:19,680 this. There's there's a reason for that. It's not because they just want 1461 01:55:19,680 --> 01:55:24,000 to play around with this cool little thing that could never happen. They're playing 1462 01:55:24,000 --> 01:55:27,520 around with us because they think it's actually the way to the stars. And 1463 01:55:27,560 --> 01:55:30,920 that's it. With a civilization, it's basically five thousand, you know, 1464 01:55:30,399 --> 01:55:33,680 five thousand years old in its written history. Okay, so we've got to 1465 01:55:34,479 --> 01:55:38,640 we make some really good leaps, and then we sometimes will stagnate for a 1466 01:55:38,640 --> 01:55:41,640 while, then we make some more leaps, you know, and the whole 1467 01:55:41,680 --> 01:55:45,479 question of reaching a certain point where it's a singularity, where we can't depend 1468 01:55:45,479 --> 01:55:47,600 on humans anymore. We have to go to machines to do something for us, 1469 01:55:47,600 --> 01:55:51,000 to take us that next step. That's certainly on its way, and 1470 01:55:51,079 --> 01:55:55,399 we've also faced that already a few times. So you know, we're already 1471 01:55:55,439 --> 01:56:00,319 facing down these these problems that some advanced species have have and we're doing this 1472 01:56:01,079 --> 01:56:03,479 on our terms, and we're absolutely able to do it, you know, 1473 01:56:03,600 --> 01:56:09,399 so far. So I'm convinced that we weren't seated. I'm convinced that we're 1474 01:56:09,399 --> 01:56:14,640 gonna find the technology to go to the stars, just as another race probably 1475 01:56:14,680 --> 01:56:17,560 did. Because we came along four point six billion years ago. Well, 1476 01:56:17,560 --> 01:56:23,199 the galaxy was here, uh you know, the universe rather was here over 1477 01:56:23,319 --> 01:56:28,560 nine billion years before that. So we know that there are planets out there 1478 01:56:28,680 --> 01:56:32,800 that are literally over twelve billion years old. Planets, all right, we 1479 01:56:32,840 --> 01:56:38,239 found them. So that that tells me that life existed from early early in 1480 01:56:38,239 --> 01:56:41,359 the universe, or life could have existed from early on in the universe, 1481 01:56:42,000 --> 01:56:45,000 and who knows how far they developed. See, well, Mark, you 1482 01:56:45,000 --> 01:56:48,399 really know how to burst the bubble, don't you. I'm not trying to 1483 01:56:48,399 --> 01:56:51,039 burst the bubble, I know. I'm just I'm just giving you a hard 1484 01:56:51,039 --> 01:56:55,279 time. Just well, you know what I told Commander to lick his forum. 1485 01:56:55,279 --> 01:56:59,600 If you want, you can lick your armpit. He can't with that 1486 01:56:59,680 --> 01:57:01,119 helmet on, though, you know he's he's yeah, yeah, no, 1487 01:57:01,399 --> 01:57:03,960 it was directing that to you. Mark. Now I I stopped at the 1488 01:57:04,000 --> 01:57:09,960 forearm. There's no reason to prove how flexible I am. But I could 1489 01:57:10,079 --> 01:57:13,279 get my head in the helmet to my armpit if I had to. That's 1490 01:57:13,319 --> 01:57:15,840 just not going to happen tonight. Too much too much information here, I 1491 01:57:15,880 --> 01:57:18,319 don't need that. Well, you're the one that started. I did, 1492 01:57:18,720 --> 01:57:23,199 I did, I did. I'm okay, I'm flying and he guess he's 1493 01:57:23,439 --> 01:57:27,520 he's talking to us from Connecticut with this attitude. Yeah, this is exact 1494 01:57:27,600 --> 01:57:33,680 course talking about. Yeah, that's exactly what I'm talking about. Hey kidding 1495 01:57:33,760 --> 01:57:39,399 me. I'm I used to go to Port Lyde Main every summer for for 1496 01:57:39,439 --> 01:57:42,680 the summer because that's where my family was. The entire town of port is 1497 01:57:42,680 --> 01:57:46,319 a relative yeah ye remember right, And now they're taking over by LLL. 1498 01:57:46,399 --> 01:57:53,920 Bean. My cousin's general store was bought by uh beans uh something or other 1499 01:57:54,000 --> 01:57:57,520 some woman there forgetting the first name. And then we're not gonna do We're 1500 01:57:57,520 --> 01:58:01,600 not going to discuss Bean because I'm not contribut to the capitalistic side of this 1501 01:58:02,039 --> 01:58:08,439 enterprise anymore. Although so that's that's it, all right, um, gentlemen, 1502 01:58:08,439 --> 01:58:11,119 We're down to our last two minutes. Mark's going to be rolling and 1503 01:58:11,119 --> 01:58:15,640 getting ready for his show, so let's uh, let's round the wheel here, 1504 01:58:15,800 --> 01:58:18,119 Martin. Obviously I'm gonna have to get you on again. This was 1505 01:58:18,199 --> 01:58:21,720 way too fast. It's a lot of fun, and I really enjoyed your 1506 01:58:23,239 --> 01:58:27,439 Martin flipped the tables on me like you Mark, uh you know, put 1507 01:58:27,520 --> 01:58:30,479 questions to me and had me answer stuff. So old habits die Hard. 1508 01:58:30,640 --> 01:58:33,199 Yeah, he's a hell of an interviewer, you know, Yeah, he's 1509 01:58:33,439 --> 01:58:36,960 he's got He reminds me of those guys the Stase when the East Germany was 1510 01:58:38,000 --> 01:58:41,079 East Germany. You know, well, you know he's he's got a great 1511 01:58:41,119 --> 01:58:45,239 interview style. Though nonetheless, okay he's not quite as bad okay as them 1512 01:58:45,279 --> 01:58:47,319 for sure. Okay, he's actually quite good. He smiles all like the 1513 01:58:47,359 --> 01:58:53,960 Stase guys at the gates when the cross in there. Well you have cigarettes? 1514 01:58:54,039 --> 01:58:56,640 Yes, yes, I have cigarettes. Do you make go? Then 1515 01:58:58,119 --> 01:59:00,319 your papists? They're not in order. Speaking of papers being in order, 1516 01:59:00,479 --> 01:59:03,680 we were joined by Mark D'Antonio, who's gonna have his show coming up. 1517 01:59:03,760 --> 01:59:08,560 Skytour will be on right after this. Shows going fantastic. You both have 1518 01:59:08,680 --> 01:59:12,199 great shows. I hope folks that when they're not to hear at Tesk Force 1519 01:59:12,239 --> 01:59:16,479 Griffin are taking advantage of the podcast and doing some live with you both. 1520 01:59:16,640 --> 01:59:20,840 I thank you both for being a guest tonight. Thank you, Commander Pleasure. 1521 01:59:23,119 --> 01:59:26,960 We'll have to do with this again. As ex lady likes to put 1522 01:59:26,960 --> 01:59:29,560 it in another three way. I'm not sure what she's talking about, but 1523 01:59:29,760 --> 01:59:32,119 she seemed to be pretty happy with it, and I think the facial expressions 1524 01:59:32,560 --> 01:59:40,520 said once again, I salute, thank you very much. It's been a 1525 01:59:40,560 --> 01:59:45,319 wonderful show with both you and to the greatest audience on the planet. Talk 1526 01:59:45,319 --> 01:59:47,039 to you again soon, hopefully next week. Hank typ