Welcome to Spacing Out with BB and Jason, this week covering Our Flag Means
Death Season two, episode eight. Merman, Yeah, welcome to Spacey Now.
My name is BB and I'm Jason, and we are discussing Our Flag
Means Death one episode at a time, spoiler free, and the series is
available in the streaming service Max formerly known as HBO. And since this is
the series finale, we won't be having a spoiler section at the end because
we have nothing left to spoil. But if you stick around, we do
have a couple of things plans. First, I want to tally up all
the Astral Queen Awards and see who was the winner overall. And then I
thought we could, you know, kind of speculate on what a potential season
three would look like or what we would hope to see in it if it
were to have been made. Yes, and finally we're gonna announce what's next
for the podcast. So well, this is likely the final episode for Our
Flag Means Death. We will be back to cover other shows on our main
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spacing out BB and Jason. Well, you'll find all of these episodes,
plus we've covered all the Battlestar Galactica, some Star Trek, and we've
got more in the pipeline. But for now, let's discuss Our Flag Means
Death, Season two, episode eight, Merman. This originally aired on Occober
twenty six, twenty twenty three, Written by David Jenkins and John Mahone,
directed by Fernando Frias. In this episode, Ed struggles to make fishing a
successful career move. He returns to find the Republic of Pirates now under the
control of Prince Richard and the Royal Navy. Retrieving his leathers, he finds
one of Steed's messages in a bottle, and the pair are soon reunited,
joining forces with Jang g Sal and they returned to Spanish Jackie's only to find
she has poisoned the Royal Navy officers in the bar. The skies in the
dead officers' uniforms. The Pirates infiltrate the garrison, killing many of the soldiers
before escaping into the sea. Izzy, mortally wounded, reconciles with Ed before
drawing his last breath. Lucius and Black Pete are married and ed and Steed
retire to a life of innkeeping. What a show man? What a show?
Five check? Did we like the episode overall? How does it stand
the test of time? It had a lot. I can't believe they fit
all of this into one episode, and it was so satisfying. You know,
there's like oppression, revenge, a funeral, a wedding, and a
retirement going a retirement. All the life milestones were happening, Like the one
thing we were missing was like the birth of a child. But I mean,
yeah, so this being season finale that ultimately became the series finale,
Like, do you feel it it holds up in that regard? Yeah?
Yeah, I think it works well for both where there's room for it to
like, you know, you can speculate what will happen, you know,
but it's it's also a very solid ending for us to leave them here.
Yeah. I mean, it's not like season one where we were left longing
for these characters to be back together. You know, it ends in a
place where we get satisfaction. There's still loose ends. We still kind of
wonder like what's next for a lot of them, But I think they definitely
made the right call to have it wrapped up to a point where if they
didn't get to continue that it would feel satisfying. Trivia time. What facts
could we uncover from Merman? All right? Well, a little bit of
trivia. On January ninth, twenty twenty four, the series was officially canceled
by Max. Series creator David Jenkins has stated that the original plan was for
three seasons, and there was a fan funded campaign dubbed renew as a Crew.
It was launched and raised enough funds surround both a Billboard and Times Square
and a plane flying over Hollywood with the message save our Flag means Death,
and other campaigns continued as well under the banners of Adopt our Crew and SAVEFMD
Crew. But in March twenty twenty four, alongside thanking fans for their efforts,
series creator David Jenkins announced that their efforts to revive the series and find
a new home on another streaming platform were unsuccessful. Wall it was too gay.
It was too gay. Okay, we didn't sign up for this gay
stuff. Yeah, we wanted a pirate show with tough guys. You said
this was about like black Beard and pirates and swashbuckling. Now we have madies
mating deep sea dive. Let's break down some of our thoughts on the episode.
You can share your thoughts with us through email or social media. We
may use your comments on an upcoming episode. All right, well, end
of the episode, we have black Beard and his peaceful fishing retirements. He
sucks. You would be the worst person to work with. I remember when
I used to work in jobs that required team effort and having that one coworker
who didn't do their fair share, and how much I fucking hated that per
I hate working with them. I hated their personality. I hated the way
they talked, the way they walked. I hated everything about them. And
I could I felt so much empathy from the sailors or the fishermen having to
deal with this like lazy bum who does nothing, has no skills, has
no qualifying like skills to do the thing he said he would help them do
if they told him he could come. It meant they needed a third man.
Yep. And he's just like pondering the fish scales and like living in
this kind of fantasy with being one with nature, very like eat prey love,
and I'm like, girl, you're at a job. I think they
needed hard labor. Yeah, and then he insulted them by continuing to emphasize
how simple they were. He's like, all these simple fishermen and their simple
lives and there's simple ways. And the mother, like the older fisherman,
was just like pissed off. He's like, you fucking suck. Don't call
me simple, bitch. It's like Blackbeard has zero social cues. Growing up
as a pirate has not taught him how to like cohabitate or co mingle with
real people. Yeah, so he doesn't have a lot of transferable job skills
in that regard. We'll see how well he does as an innkeeper. Well,
I guess we won't see, but we can imagine. We saw it.
And when he was in the gravy basket. Yeah, so yeah,
they tell him to go back to whatever he did before. Yeah, if
you were ever good at anything, to do that, because you suck at
everything else. So he goes and he finds his leathers. No, he
finds that his pirate bay is collapsed. There are ships a muck and there
are British soldiers telling him he can't fish there. And he's like well,
I guess I must do what I must do. I must safe Steed,
I must figure out myself and become a pirate again. And then he gets
his leathers, he kills two British soldiers and then he decides to go back,
and then he emerges from the water like this epic figure. Right,
So did he get dressed in the water then, because he comes out of
the ocean. That's that's semantics. Okay, we don't talk about what how
he got dressed or what he did. Okay, He's like, I gotta
make a dramatic entrance. The entrance was epic. It was really cool.
It was some one of the coolest shots. And then I love that they
cut so you didn't see like the full body. You just saw him like
emerging like kind of like a shark in the water or something. And then
they cut something else and it was like, oh, man, black Beard's
back. Oh it was so good. Meanwhile, Jackie is being forced to
serve the Navy, the British officers who she tormented, specifically Richie or whatever
his name is. Yeah, he's like relishing in his power dynamic shifting.
He is like forcing her to do nasty things and treat him like he's the
best patron in the world. And one of the British officers is like,
aren't you worried that she's poisoning us? And he's like, oh, I
have a poison tester. And you see Swede in the background just getting like
waterboarded with wine rum or whatever they're drinking, and it was like, wow,
and I love that. At the end of the episode, when we
find out Spanish Jackiing was poisoning them, but that sweet is poison trained.
Unbeknownst to him though, Yeah, he's like, am I gonna die?
He's so unaware. I just love that. Jackie's like, I have a
contingency. We are all isn't trained in our family. So she was playing
chess when he was playing checkers. Yep. I love that. And but
yeah, he and he captured like a majority of the crew, and even
we find out Auntie is alive. Yeah, she was in the back of
that cell covered up. Yeah. And before that, we find Steed and
Gyang escaped capture and they're under the bridge that's collapsed, and she's kind of
just like mourning the loss of Auntie because she has no idea that she's alive.
Yeah, and it really slows her down, like it causes her to
not be reactive and active in a way that she would be like when those
British officers approach them. Yeah, she's kind of given up. And then
even when she does decide to go like take action, she kind of assumed
like he's going to die in this process, but she has nothing left to
live for her whole crew and Anti and her fleeting. Yeah. Yeah,
I think the of Chosen Family was really strong in this, especially when that
the noseguy Ricky finds out that Izzy Hands is among his captured and he pulls
them out to have a drink with him, and Izzy Hands explains to him
why he will never be a true pirate. He can like, you know,
capture everyone in end piracy and be the best pirate like logistically, but
to be a pirate means to hold this Chosen Family above everything else. It's
part of like he said, you are part of something people accept you,
and the whole world tells you you're nothing. And that was so beautiful the
way that he monologued that, the way that he explained kind of what Chosen
Family means, and that's like the heart of the show. Yeah, and
it's just like really well articulated and emphasized in this conversation by one of the
characters that has learned it in some of the hardest ways. Yeah. Like,
I definitely think that's at the forefront of is he's mind these days,
because well, they're set to die, right, They're gonna hang. They
don't see a way out, So I think he's but yeah, he's been
kind of grappling with and accepting how the crew is what establishes him in the
world and what centers him in a way that feels like there is love and
family and belonging and something. You don't get that if you're like a neerty
well pirate, right. So it's just like, I don't know, I
just really enjoyed that monologue and that that conversation. I'm glad that they touched
on it and they kind of laid it out. I think a lot of
us understood the nuances and the like undertones of all of this playing out,
but to say it, I think is really powerful. Agreed. Yeah,
It's like one of the thesises of the show. Yeah, And I think
that's really what helped like round it out for me and made me feel like,
okay, this is and it also made it hurt more when he died.
It just made it hurt so much more because you see this character who
has grown so much and who is a beloved character now to be lost from
some petty little bitch. Oh. It was like it was almost anti climactic
the way he dies, Yeah, because it's just a shot, like a
random, like like not even aimed, just a shot in the dark that
happened to hit him in a critical part of his body. And I was
like, like, what do you do? The Crew new like the Crew
New, but Blackbeard was so desperate, like trying to save him because I
feel like Blackbeard finally understood like their relationship, like they both were at odds
at sometimes and they weren't on the same page. They hurt each other,
and now I feel like there was like an opportunity for them to be like
together in a way that was like healthy. But it's gone because he's obviously
not going to survive. This so tragic. I just the arc of Easy
Hands is just so tragic and so beautiful and unexpected. Like you, I
don't think I want a season three if there is no Easy Hands. You
know, it's really interesting how he became such a big part of the heart
of the show. Like I probably wouldn't have said that in season one,
No, but he really grew this season. Yeah. Yeah, And that's
what I think why I personally feel like this is a good ending, just
like because I mean I wish they would have been as like thoughtful whenever they
wrote out other characters or they weren't able to come back or whatever, they
didn't get invited back from season one. We had a couple from Blackbeard's crew
who died off like or were like expelled. Yeah, there was even and
you know, we never really got to know him. No, I can't
really tell you anything about him other than he was like present and like visually,
I think you saw like him and Fang and Izzy as kind of like
a trio at first, And I thought that was kind of a missed opportunity
when I mean, if they were going to just like write him off off
screen like that, they're like when Fang and black Beard went out on that
fishing boat together, that they could have brought him back for an episode,
show some flashbacks about them like leaving or something. I don't know, I
just like discuss how like it was obviously like that was traumatic for Fayg to
like have lost one of his friends, his crewmates, and have black Beard
like not give a shit about it. Yeah. Yeah, that's so.
That's like one thing that I thought about when I was watching them kill Izzy
and give him like lay him to rest and everything, Like, I was
like, dang, so like I even didn't get any of this, and
it would have been a good juxtaposition to show the difference between you know,
Blackbeard then and how he treated his crew and how like a death would have
affected him then versus now too. Like I don't know, I just always
think about that. I don't know why, I guess because not a lot.
This isn't like the Game of Thrones, where like a character dies in
every episode that's like part of the main crew. So it's like hard to
grapple with the loss without having any sort of backstory or anything. It's just
like, oh, he's gone, I'm so sorry bye, and then that's
it. We mentioned it once. Yeah, it's like they didn't really want
to talk about it. They just had to give it a line. Yeah,
okay, So I like that they bring back the Pinocchio reference. Yeah,
they're all very familiar with that story. I think I mentioned this before,
but Pinocchio actually hadn't even been written yet at the time this is set.
Yeah, so when the crew escapes from the jail cell, they've been
the bars with the shirt and they have someone has a pee on the shirt
to make it wet, to make it work. That is a scene out
of Shanghai Noon, the Jackie chan Owen Wilson movie. Oh, I haven't
seen that. I don't know if it's in like other movies, if it's
like a trope or something. But wait, I haven't seen that recently.
I saw that like when it came out back in the nineties. Yeah,
well they escaped from the cell doing that same thing if you see keep your
Shirt. Yeah, but that I don't remember seeing that in the actual show.
That was like at the end credits they talk about needing to do it
in the show, like someone needs to pee on this to make it work.
And then in the post credit scene you see they've bent the bars with
it and Frenchy's skinny enough to get through. Yeah, And I guess there
was also a Mythbusser's episode to said that wouldn't work. Yeah, okay,
otherwise we'd have escaped prisoners all the time. What else, we had a
lot of a lot of sword play going on. Yeah. I love the
scene where Blackbeard is mowing down his set of British troops and then Saying and
Bonnet are encountering their own set and they're fighting through and they then black Beard
and Bonnet see each other and they run towards each other and they back.
They they flash back to a different scene where they did that too. I
don't remember if that scene was from the Gravy Basket or not. No,
it was from the season two episode one. Steve is like writing his letters
and it's like dreaming. Yeah, it's like a dream sequence. I think,
Okay, he encounters like is he on the beach and then he like
fights him and then encounters black Beard and they run and hug and then yeah,
into reality. Yeah. I noticed, like when they were on that
beach, I'm like, this looks a lot like the beach from that scene,
or like, are they going to kind of do that run towards each
other again? And they did. Yeah, it was very satisfying. And
then they're like, oh, yeah, there's still a fight with a bunch
of British officers that we need to take care of. And all Awande and
Auntie have a heart to heart about like I don't know, it's just like
how zang me somebody to be soft because she's so tough. I don't you
can talk about it, can I? Yeah, he's just helping Auntie to
be there for Zaying in the way that she needs. Yeah. I.
Meanwhile, Jim is like Yankee metal shards out of me Auntie and they're just
like nonchalantly talking and all Awandi's like okay, like gagging because there's like blood
and gore, and she's just like no, no, tell me, like
I want to understand. And then when they when Auntie and Saying see each
other, Alawande's like soft, aunty soft, and she says that she's proud
of her, which is something you know she's felt, but she's never vocalized
and that's so cool. I love that. And then they hug and they
probably never hug, right, Oh. I love that relationship. I love
that they they have their moment because it was traumatic for Saying to lose her
her auntie, her mother, figure, her confidant, her first mate,
Like it's it would be devastating, and it is devastating when we see it
happened to Blackbeard, you know. And I think she has like a lot
more compassion for it now that she's experienced it. So she's like kind of
extending an olive branch and saying, how like, hey, we want to
kill the same guy. Do you want to team up? And I swear
I thought they were gonna Yeah, there was no indication that they weren't going
to. Yeah, it was surprised. It was like a total surprise to
see them at the inn. Yeah, and uh there's a wedding in there
too, with black Peat and Lucius. Yeah, they're Mati's And yeah,
I mean I assume that despite that, Auntie is still alive, she's still
lost a lot in terms of people and possessions, Like yeah, I mean
she lost her whole routine, her whole like crew. She was like thinking
about like how in the morning they would wake up and do taichi and all
this like beautiful group. Like she had an emp that she has just lost,
and she will. I mean, I don't know how long it's going
to take for her to rebuild, if she will rebuild, Like, we
don't know these things. These are things that we don't get answers to because
of the longevity of the show. This is not something where we're ever going
to find out, but it is something we can speculate, you know,
like how does she move on from this trauma? But I think it helps
to have people with you that can understand, like your loss. Yep.
And now they're all part of the family. Yeah. And I love that
Spanish Jackie's in here too. Yeah, Spanish Jackie and the Swede were on
the ship as well. Yeah. I think they're talking about how they're going
to start a new bar somewhere. Yeah, tavern. And it appeared that
Frenchie was acting as captain. Did you get that at least he was the
one given orders. Maybe, so, I think that's what we're to draw
from that, unless unless he was the first mate to someone else. But
think he's in the captain's seat now. And Steve and Ed are innkeepers.
Yeah, next to he's great yep. And then a little bird lies in
there, a seagull specifically who we are most likely to believe is But I
fucking died right there. I was dead. I was deceased. Bury you
neix Isy, Yeah, Okay, Yeah, this show is great. I
can't speak its praises more than I already have. It's it's an incredible show.
It's got heart, it's got like comedy, it's got like strong,
like competent characters that evolve. It's so good. It's just it's to me,
it has everything that I want from like a feel good show. Yeah.
I mean thinking back to like episode one or it just seemed like this
is kind of a silly pirate show about an EPs captain trying to pretend to
be a pirate, and just how much it evolved from there. Yeah.
Yeah, this guy who abandoned his life is wealthy well to do like persona
to become this wealthy well to do pirate, like he just like dressed up.
He was like putting lipstick on a pig basically and trying to pass it
off as like something that was not like, but he learned and like at
the end, Zaying gave him like a heartfelt compliment of saying, like you're
a passable pirate or you're pretty good at it. If I have to tell
you, things work out for him. He's very lucky, and I like
that. I don't want to see like our main characters losing all the time.
So it but it's just I don't know, it's just like I can't
see this show without Easy. It just it's so hard to think about it
without this character, especially with all the new growth, Like I would have
loved to see him like be in charge or be like part of the group
again. Like I don't know, it's just so sad to lose him.
I just can't get over it. Like I think during all of our spoiler
sections, I always talked about how fucking upset I am that he dies,
and it's just I don't know, Well, yeah, I think the show
would be a little hollow without him. It'd be very hard to watch it
without this like character that's grown so much, Like you don't eat the payoff.
You got like a taste of it, but there could have been so
much more there. And I wonder if they killed him off just to give
it, like because they knew they were done anyway, but they didn't know
they were canceled until January. Yeah, so I wonder if the actor was
like I've had enough. I mean sometimes it's like a sacrifice like that.
Just I mean, like what they accomplished in this episode had a cost to
it. Yeah, and that cost was easy and that was a difficult one
to swallow. Yeah, it really was. It really made this like episode
super emotional, Like it's just it was so hard not to cry. And
the only reason I didn't cry was because I've already seen it. This is
like your first time watching it. Like, I hope you had Kleenex.
I hope you had a little blankye. I hope you had like support system
to get you through this, because it's so hard because not only are you
losing one of the best one of well, there's so many good characters,
but he was just really good. And then but we're also saying goodbye to
a show. The show is over, there's no more of it. There
never will be again. And I don't know if anything that's come out lately
even meets the standard of this show in terms of diversity, humor, Like,
this show never felt like it was pandering to the queer audience, you
know what I mean, like gay baiting or anything. It was like,
but it wasn't like explicitly like this is a gay show, Like we're not
queer as folk or the L word. But this show felt like it was
just incorporating queerness in such a natural way that I just I haven't seen it
in television again, and I'm really sad about it. Yeah, and you
can pick and choose shows that like have incorporated, you know, a gay
couple, a queer couple, or a queer storyline or something, but like
this was like fully realized and in that in that community in so many ways.
Yeah, it wasn't just talking about a pair of people who happen to
be gay and every once in a while the storyline will be like, oh,
look at that, they're gay. It's like the fiber of the queer
community was like spread out and threw out, woven into this like storyline and
this community of people, like the crew that it was just so well done.
Well speaking of the crew, should we move into the next section to
Yeah, I could gush about the show for like hours. So yeah,
let's astral Queen. Who was the standout character in the episode? If you
had to get a tattoo to commemorate the show, what would you what would
you do? I know mine mine is the kitty cat flag, the flag
with the kitty that they slow up, That would be mine. Did they
fly that at the end? Did they fly a flag? No, we
didn't see one. We didn't see a flag. We should have brought that
back. Yeah, I don't know. I'm trying to think of like an
object or a symbol as opposed to like putting a person on me, like
a bird. Yeah, I could put a seagull, and like, change
is always possible, Change is always possible. That's a good one. I
like that. Who's your astral queen? This one is so hard because so
many people did so much and so well. Yeah, like everyone was involved
in like the Escape and the Yeah, like Spanish Jackie could be one.
I think I might give it to Spanish Jackie because I've never given her one,
I don't think. And she really surprised me. And I just love
Leslie Jones and I'm really sad that she's not going to be in the next
season, you know. Yeah, I love that she was. She was
a step ahead of them. Yeah, she was playing chess. They were
playing the role of nerdy. Well, yeah, she's like, oh woe
is me? You won, you bested me. But she was and she
was bid in her time. Who do you pick? Since like the playing
field is fairly even with everyone having done their part in this. I kind
of want to give it to mister Israel Hands. I can't believe that's his
real name. I don't think I ever mentioned this. He's a historical pirate
too. Oh yeah, I'm sure he is. Beards first mate. So
but yeah, I mean because he I mean because we lost him, and
because he really articulated the message of the show and has really become kind of
a was it like self realized, self actualized character, really understands who he
is and his role in this. And yeah, it's a beautiful moment,
and it was a gut wrenching moment to lose them. So we'll give him
an award posthumanously. I don't know if I said that right. Humorous?
Yeah, humorous? No, that's humorous? Is the bone that that's that's
your funny bone? How do you say it? I feel like I've never
heard someone say it. I just see it in writing a lot. Posthumous,
posthumous posture. I thought it was posthumorous. After you stop being funny,
after you tell a joke, you're posthumorous, all right. I have
tallied up our Astral Queens the entire series. Looking back at season one,
we had a three way tie for the Astral Queen of season one. Oh
and those were alu Wan Da, Lucious, and black Beard. Okay,
all three with five votes, and then we also voted for Steed and Mary
and Buttons. Then moving into season two, the winner of that season is
is he Hands oh wow, who notably did not get any votes in season
one, And then looking at the series overall, the astral queen for our
flag means death is Lucious. Wow. Lucious. His pants were really good
in the whole seasons. I love his pants, the sailor cut where it's
a straight, almost bell bottom kind of pant, like a wide leg trouser
just elongated his tour so so many times. But sometimes he wore a little
kind of like a capri version of that, like a gaucho, so his
ankles were out and he was so cunty. Okay, yeah, Lucius is
great. I think that's a great astral queen. They were using his clothes
to ben in the bars on the jail side. His Mormon underwear was that
underwear. I think that was just underwear of the time. The second place
overall was a four way tie, oh, Alan Steed, Bonnet, black
Beard, and is he hands all five votes, Buttons with three votes,
Mary Bonnet and Jang with two votes, and the Swede and Spanish Jackie at
one vote. Nice. That's how the astral Queen's worked out. Aliwandi had
a really early lead. We voted for him, like the first two episodes.
It was so good in the beginning. They like started him off really
strong. Yeah, and I did not realize that Lucius said such a strong
showing. But yeah, I mean Lucia's did a lot because he was the
what is it called, I'm not a stenographer, the record keeper. He
was like, you know, the history maker. Okay, yeah, that
was good. I love this. I love the astro queen section. And
no spoilers, boohoo, no spoilers. So if they announced today that there
was going to be a season three, what would you want to see in
that season? What do you think would be happening given where we left off?
Okay, so I think the innkeepers are going to fail miserably. They
can't keep they don't know how to fix a roof, they don't know how
to fucking install a new window. There's it doesn't seem like there's uh infrastructure
left to do any of these things. Uh, So I feel like they're
just going to try it for an episode or maybe two, and then they're
going to go back and find the crew, and the crew is going to
find the Noseless Wonder and tear him apart maybe or make him like eat his
old nose. I don't know. Uh, but there's gonna be revenge.
Revenge is definitely on the plate. Yeah, I mean that's the thing that
like the kind of villain of the end of the season is still out there.
So yeah, like that has to be addressed. I don't know if
like the whole season would be like a revenge thing, or now they introduced
a new character that's also like trying to get them, maybe a new pirate
to show them up, I don't know, and then maybe like marital looes
between Lucius and Black Pete just like you know, newly weed and like you
know, being in a pirate ship being newly wet, like how do they
deal with that? And then I would love to see how French she runs
a ship if he is indeed the captain or the one in charge, because
he's so like he's always thinking of the next con, just like a little
con artist. He loves a good Like would they be like going around grifting
people more than rating them? Like I think both. I think he'd teach
them the art of the grift in a way that would be like very impactful
for them if they land on land, you know, because in the on
the sea they're pirates, but on land, what are you? And then
maybe like another episode with like a high class like a dynamic like we had
in the first season where we see them trying to like elevate themselves and trying
to fit in, but they don't. Something to do with that maybe,
yeah, Like considering that it was intended to be the final season, the
third and final season, like would we bring back any guest stars that have
been there before, like the two women Mary Reid and and Bonnie Yeah,
or any of the people from like Nick Kroll and those guys from that episode
though, that would be what I would want to see, like another episode
with them like the rich people might be trying to get revenge on Steed,
lowing up their lives like that. Yeah. And then Kaliko Jack, I
want to see him die. He already died? Oh didn't he? How
did he die? You got hit with like a Cannonball and that. Yeah,
I forgot. Oh my god, he's the worst. Oh yeah,
he double crossed them, So like I would love to see like another double
cross too, or like uh, splitting of the crew, like some people
want to stay with the old Revenge and other people want to go as saying
to grow the empire. Yeah, I would like to know more about what
Jang's plans were for like being on in this part of the world. She
was bringing all those ships over and gaining all that crew, Like what was
she trying to accomplish specifically, and like is she trying to rebuild that and
is that going to cause you after they go on the Revenge mission? Would
it cause them to split off? And Raakes, I don't believe that was
her whole entire fleet. She had a fleet all over the world, but
the ones that were at the Republic got the clocks. So I don't think
they all got the clocks. But maybe I'm wrong. I'd love some some
more exposition on that. But like I said, I don't know. I
don't know if I can watch this show again without Izzy hands. It's just
not the same. But I would love to see them and drag again,
like another Calypso's birthday. But that's just the show again, Like I'm not
a creative person like that. I'm not a writer, so I can't like
speculate, like you know, a writer could be like, oh yeah,
and then they invent the car and I'm like, what I expect Roach is
going to invent some more food items? Yeah, and uh French he's gonna
come up with. I mean it's already done, like a pyramid scheme.
I don't know, some other like Grip that's well known. Maybe they'll do
they did like the Nigerian prince thing. Yeah, but maybe they'll do like
a weekend at Bernie spoof. I don't know. Yeah, I don't know,
like what what would be like the main con flick or anything. But
it's hard because all of our crew are so like diverse. Well they're all
on good terms with each other, like everyone is saying, like a happy
place here. So it's like I don't really want to make tension between them.
I don't mind tension between the crew. I think that's natural, especially
in a family, like I think that's what I would think about, like
in a family and a dynamic, like maybe tropes of favoritism or you know,
jealousy. There's so many things that can happen within a family that still
leave you being a family. Like you can get over it, but you
know, you kind of go through it. Yeah, I don't know.
Like I said, I'm not a writer. I'm just very critical of writing.
I don't know. I would love to be able to, like if
they had an outline, like just a general outline. I mean, I
wish they could do like an animated series to give us like an adult animated
series, and that's usually cheaper than doing a full production in like New Zealand.
Yeah, Like I think realistically, like if you have a vision for
a show or like a creative idea and you're not able to execute it in
the medium that you want to, if you are really passionate about getting the
story out or getting the product out, you would find alternatives. Maybe there's
a comic book, a web series. You know, there are ways for
you to finish your work. Yeah, that was my thought that I know
a lot of shows have continued through comics, like well, Firefly got a
movie, but they also continued that story through comics and then later books.
Buffy continued in comics for a few seasons. They even called the comic book
season nine or whatever. Yeah eight. So yeah, and several shows have
done that, and you know it doesn't have the same size of audiences,
have the same reach. But if you're really in I said in it,
like you get to continue is what you started. Yeah. So I just
a part of me feels a little betrayed by the creators, oh just a
hair just also because they didn't want to explore other options or other avenues to
finish what they started in a way like they said, no, we don't
know that, we just they just they couldn't find someone to pick up the
show right for streaming another season they could come out. I mean it could
be years from now to get something that's fair. That's fair, Okay.
Yeah, I guess I don't know enough about like the Hollywood machine to understand
like what can happen in terms of like moving the story forward. But there's
so many ways to explore a narrative that I'm just like, why can't you
just give it to us, Like give it, like I'll take it in
any way you want to give it to me, baby, just give it
to me. I just want like a resolution. I want to see these
characters. Like it's though, because I feel like the crew the actors on
this show were fundamental to creating the vibrancy and the engage the nature of the
show. But it would be fun if they did, like an animated series.
Maybe Comedy Central could pick it up. I don't know, but I
don't know. Well, I think it's safe to say that if there there
ever is any more content in this universe, that will most likely cover on
the show. But we're also like totally okay and at peace with what we
do have. I feel like I don't want to feel like I don't want
to convey this idea that I'm ungrateful for what we have because it was such
a privilege to have a show like this, Like this kind of show would
have never existed like twenty years ago, you know. So it's just like
the timeline that we're living in right now to be able to witness it for
it's short to span. I think it's made such a deep impact in the
communities that it spoke about and four and two that it's just like, I
don't know, but it's just like, you're so grateful, it's crazy.
Whenever they give you crumbs you'll fucking take them, you know. And I
feel like this was they were the most delicious, delectable, like little tastes
of what television could be for like a queer, diverse audience. And I'm
like hungry for more obviously, but I will savor what we have what exists.
Yeah, but there ever is a season three or a movie or animated
or comic or novel or something like, I think it's safe to say we'll
we'll at least come back here and address whatever is released. Yeah, if
anything is, I don't I'm not anticipating anything, but yeah, there's no
pressure. It's going to leave that out there. But moving on to what's
next for the podcast. So again this will be on the on the main
feed, the Spacing Out with BB and Jason feed. We're looking to shift
gears again and get better in the outer space. Woo woo. I'm also
a little scared scace. Space is scary. Did you know that space can
be very terrifying? Did you know that in space no one can hear you
scream? Is that a tagline? It's a tagline. We want to look
at the alien universe. It's the Gourdney Weaver motherfuckers. Yeah, so we're
gonna we're gonna look at some movies for a change and really kind of dive
into that franchise and so scared. It's gonna be scary. It's gonna go
well with the fall season. And there's so there's you know a number of
Alien movies out already. There's one about to come out in theaters in just
a few weeks, so it's good timing with that. And then there's also
a TV show in development that I read it was like early twenty twenty five
that that's coming out, so oh wow, Okay, we might take a
look at that as well. But I think that's the plan, and we've
we've discussed you know, where we want to go after that, because this
will only be you know, a pretty limited run of here about six weeks.
Yeah, and then well we'll discuss more. But like Alien also crosses
over with Predator, and then that's a whole movie series that has a really
great movie called Prey in it. Oh yeah, I love that movie.
I didn't know nothing about Predator except for maybe like there's one one with Arnold
swatsoning are in it. Yeah, that's the original with Arnold and Carl Weathers.
Yeah, I seen that a long time ago, and then I and
then I watched Prey, so I watched the very first one and the very
last one. So I'd love to see what else is in between with the
Predator franchise as well. But yeah, I'm not sure about that, but
we'll we'll discuss. We'll keep it open. BB and I are getting ready
to relocate for like the fourth time since we've been doing spacing out, so
it's going to be a few weeks off before we get into that. I'm
anticipating we get that startup in August August. Wow, Yeah, okay,
I'm down. We got to pack up the podcasting equipment so we will be
in the New city talking about Alien and I'm excited because I've I've seen Alien
and aliens a number of times. I've only seen the others like once.
Oh, I know, there's like a monster with the with the with with
the tongue that's also a monster. So it's like a fish within a fish.
How does that work? Who's got the Who's who's making the moves,
Who's who's driving the ship? Is it the little guy or the big guy?
I think it's a big guy with like a mouth within a mouth,
a mouth in a mouth, but does the mouth ever be like, I
am hungry, give me some food. I want sweets, because that's how
it feels like for me as a person. Sometimes I'm like, oh,
I'm craving some like chips right now. Do you think that's how that works
When the little guy's like, hey, you should get a cheeseburg, you
know, well we'll figure that out when we talk about alien Okay, So
that's what's next for us, and that's going to do it for our coverage
of our flag means death. I had really great time revisiting the show with
you, bby. It's my favorite show. I think I got to appreciate
it a lot more on the second watch. I think, well, we
were analyzing it in a way that you didn't. You were just like I
think you started watching it because I was watching it, and you were like,
oh, that's interesting. And then you saw Ed and Bonnet hooking up
before I did. I was watching it not expecting it, and you're like,
oh, they're really going there. You saw all the signs before I
did. So I'm glad we got to watch it again, and I hope
to watch it again soon. I feel like it's like a comfort show for
me, Like it's just it's so good and it makes me feel good to
watch it. It's like being with family, like at the Olive Garden,
so you know when you're here your family. Yeah, all right, Well,
thanks for sailing on the Revenge. I hope you have found or will
find a family to belong to. Thank you for spacing out with BB and
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