WEBVTT 1 00:00:03.200 --> 00:00:50.119 The following presentation isnt al marg Studios Production. Welcome back truth seekers from around 2 00:00:50.159 --> 00:00:54.840 the world. It's time for another edition of the flat Earth Files. I 3 00:00:54.840 --> 00:00:59.439 hope this podcast finds you well. And we have a great guest standing by. 4 00:00:59.479 --> 00:01:00.320 His name is Mark, and we're going to bring them on in just 5 00:01:00.399 --> 00:01:04.120 a moment. But before we do that, just two reminders. 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And as always, of those links to 16 00:01:45.920 --> 00:01:51.680 the website and the email you can always find in the show description. That 17 00:01:51.840 --> 00:01:56.599 is the housekeeping for today. Let's get right to our guest and please help 18 00:01:56.599 --> 00:01:57.680 me. Welcome Mark, Mark. How are you doing today, sir, 19 00:02:00.000 --> 00:02:02.519 own really well, Thank you Georgia, and thanks for stopping by. Why 20 00:02:02.519 --> 00:02:07.400 don't you go ahead and introduce yourself to the audience. Sure, Yeah, 21 00:02:07.480 --> 00:02:12.639 my name is Mark, living in Tennessee presently with my family, born and 22 00:02:12.759 --> 00:02:21.479 raised in La not Louisiana, Los Angeles, and yeah, I had fairly 23 00:02:22.000 --> 00:02:27.680 i'll say, fairly typical childhood. My parents, particularly my dad, is 24 00:02:27.759 --> 00:02:35.960 from He came from Bosnia, so he's an immigrant. My mother's parents and 25 00:02:36.080 --> 00:02:44.080 her family came in the early twentieth century, so being raised as a somewhat 26 00:02:44.719 --> 00:02:47.680 I'd say I kind of felt like a foreigner a little sometimes growing up in 27 00:02:47.719 --> 00:02:54.560 my neighborhood because we were surrounded by a huge, large, large Croatian Roman 28 00:02:54.599 --> 00:02:59.599 Catholic family and a lot of weekends, I would say, just about every 29 00:02:59.599 --> 00:03:04.879 weekend and was some function, whether it was a baptism, funeral, wedding, 30 00:03:05.319 --> 00:03:08.840 communion, confirmation, there's always something. So I actually didn't have a 31 00:03:08.879 --> 00:03:15.240 ton of extra curricular activity with friends on the street and stuff on the weekend. 32 00:03:15.400 --> 00:03:19.400 So in a way I kind of felt a little bit on the outside 33 00:03:20.400 --> 00:03:27.560 until probably about high school. But like I said, born and raised in 34 00:03:27.599 --> 00:03:32.639 that the Catholic family. I wasn't saved until late in two thousand and eight, 35 00:03:34.639 --> 00:03:39.680 and so I Catholicism and being brought up in a large family like I 36 00:03:39.719 --> 00:03:45.319 was had had a huge impact on me. And a lot of those things 37 00:03:45.319 --> 00:03:52.879 haven't really I haven't really recognized a lot of them until recently, you know, 38 00:03:52.919 --> 00:03:53.919 the older I get, I look back and I say, well, 39 00:03:53.960 --> 00:03:55.800 why do you act this way? Why do you think this way? Well, 40 00:03:57.000 --> 00:04:00.719 a lot has to do with being raised in that kind of environment. 41 00:04:02.199 --> 00:04:08.000 Now, did you did you go to a Catholic school? Yeah, twelve 42 00:04:08.120 --> 00:04:12.439 years, all the way through high school. My parents that was very important 43 00:04:12.439 --> 00:04:15.080 to them. We didn't have we didn't have a lot of money, that's 44 00:04:15.120 --> 00:04:18.519 for sure, but that was a major, of major importance to both of 45 00:04:18.560 --> 00:04:24.319 my parents to have myself and I have two sisters, you know, they 46 00:04:24.519 --> 00:04:29.360 they did sacrifice quite a bit to send us through a private school, and 47 00:04:29.439 --> 00:04:33.680 it benefited us greatly. And I know that having a private education rather than 48 00:04:33.720 --> 00:04:39.160 public there are a lot of benefits to it, even if it's you know, 49 00:04:39.199 --> 00:04:45.639 in the Catholic Church, it did have a lot of benefits. And 50 00:04:45.879 --> 00:04:50.199 you grew up in the seventies and eighties in Los Angeles and southern California, 51 00:04:50.279 --> 00:04:56.600 and you graduated. At what point did you find your way from from SoCal 52 00:04:57.360 --> 00:05:02.560 into Tennessee US been, That's quite a story. I got married in two 53 00:05:02.560 --> 00:05:06.120 thousand and five. My wife is from southern California as well, from San 54 00:05:06.199 --> 00:05:12.120 Clementi down in Orange County, and we met in San Luis Obispo. I 55 00:05:12.160 --> 00:05:14.759 don't know if you've been, but it's just north of Santa Barbara. Beautiful 56 00:05:14.800 --> 00:05:21.399 town. But when we started working, as you know, real adults, 57 00:05:21.439 --> 00:05:26.480 you know, looking for a home, all that stuff that particular area was. 58 00:05:26.800 --> 00:05:30.000 It was formidable even then to even dream about buying a house. And 59 00:05:30.079 --> 00:05:33.439 so in two thousand and eight, I, after a lot of applying and 60 00:05:33.720 --> 00:05:38.759 looking around, I got a job in the Seattle area. So we've moved 61 00:05:38.800 --> 00:05:46.000 up to Washington State in two thousand and eight, and I worked for city 62 00:05:46.040 --> 00:05:53.839 government and then for local government, and my last job I worked for ten 63 00:05:53.920 --> 00:06:00.399 years for a local government and in two thousand, well, in twenty twenty 64 00:06:00.480 --> 00:06:03.879 one, I guess is when the hammer really dropped and they started pushing the 65 00:06:03.920 --> 00:06:08.959 COVID vaccines. And really, to make a long story short, because I 66 00:06:08.959 --> 00:06:11.920 could go on for days. Of course, I had to make the choice, 67 00:06:12.560 --> 00:06:16.480 and it was an easy choice. There's been difficulty with it, of 68 00:06:16.519 --> 00:06:20.360 course, but you know, I lost lost about fifteen years of pension. 69 00:06:21.600 --> 00:06:27.519 But my wife and I decided that it was more important for us to live 70 00:06:27.959 --> 00:06:33.759 in an area with more freedom, more like minded people, et cetera. 71 00:06:34.040 --> 00:06:39.560 Had a The Seattle area had gone from fairly I don't want to say idyllic, 72 00:06:39.600 --> 00:06:41.879 because I can't really paint that picture, but it was a It was 73 00:06:41.879 --> 00:06:44.279 a good place to live when my first moved there. We would go into 74 00:06:44.319 --> 00:06:46.560 Seattle and go to the Symphony and you know, enjoy dinner down there. 75 00:06:46.600 --> 00:06:53.519 And it really, I would say, started going upside down around the time 76 00:06:53.560 --> 00:06:58.639 my daughter was born twenty twelve, and it just it really just started plummeting 77 00:06:58.680 --> 00:07:03.720 as far as uh, you know, the way of life and the heavy 78 00:07:03.720 --> 00:07:11.560 handedness of the government, etc. And then COVID really it really brought the 79 00:07:12.120 --> 00:07:15.600 dark into the light. And so we packed up everything, we settled on 80 00:07:16.079 --> 00:07:21.079 Tennessee and made the drive, set our goodbyce for our families, and we've 81 00:07:21.079 --> 00:07:27.079 been out here since well, we came out here in December of twenty twenty 82 00:07:27.079 --> 00:07:31.839 one. Yeah, and I'll tell you, Tennessee is is just a jewel. 83 00:07:31.879 --> 00:07:35.839 Every time we drive through on forty. My wife, you know, 84 00:07:35.959 --> 00:07:40.680 she she's just her dream is to build a log cabin and the Smoky mountains 85 00:07:40.680 --> 00:07:44.519 in Tennessee. It's just so beautiful down there. The people are wonderful, 86 00:07:45.480 --> 00:07:48.600 the air quality is good, it's the cost of living is affordable, and 87 00:07:48.800 --> 00:07:53.439 uh, it's definitely a great place to go to to raise a family. 88 00:07:54.959 --> 00:07:58.879 And you certainly did escape, and I wanted to ask you because you were 89 00:07:58.920 --> 00:08:01.639 there, because I did notice too. The twenty twelve is kind of when 90 00:08:01.680 --> 00:08:07.000 things took a sharp turn, and I was in the c Tech area. 91 00:08:07.800 --> 00:08:15.600 I guess it would have been twenty eighteen or twenty nineteen, Buddy retired from 92 00:08:15.680 --> 00:08:20.800 JBLM joint based McCord up there outside of Tacoma. And as pretty as it 93 00:08:20.879 --> 00:08:24.600 is, You're right, it is. You can definitely tell it's a different 94 00:08:24.759 --> 00:08:28.240 vibe in that community. Was there a certain event that that led up to 95 00:08:28.319 --> 00:08:33.360 it or was it a slow boil and all of a sudden, you know, 96 00:08:33.440 --> 00:08:37.559 the wokeism or whatever term you want to use to uh, you know, 97 00:08:37.799 --> 00:08:41.279 and a lot of it really reared its ugly head in twenty twenty with 98 00:08:41.480 --> 00:08:46.279 Chazz and everything else that was going on in bizarro world up there. But 99 00:08:46.360 --> 00:08:50.080 was there something that happened in twenty twelve that really sparked it? Or is 100 00:08:50.120 --> 00:08:52.679 that just what are your thoughts on that? You know? I don't. 101 00:08:52.720 --> 00:08:56.600 I don't have a great answer for that. I can say that when when 102 00:08:56.639 --> 00:09:01.720 I first when we first moved there, I was so just involved in starting 103 00:09:01.720 --> 00:09:05.399 life over and just getting getting at it, you know, and earning a 104 00:09:05.399 --> 00:09:09.360 living and all that, and being in a new area of course as well, 105 00:09:09.639 --> 00:09:15.279 that you kind of you're still soaking it all in when I changed jobs 106 00:09:15.279 --> 00:09:20.679 in twenty twelve and was making you know, better money, all that we 107 00:09:20.720 --> 00:09:24.240 had a house, now, all these things. We lived in a pretty 108 00:09:24.320 --> 00:09:31.919 nice area. I think the human brain the capacity for sort of I don't, 109 00:09:31.000 --> 00:09:33.279 I don't know what you would call it, but sort of finding your 110 00:09:33.600 --> 00:09:39.840 happy place. You can kind of just be in your own little enclay that 111 00:09:39.960 --> 00:09:43.159 and almost ignore the stuff going on around you. So I don't know if 112 00:09:43.200 --> 00:09:46.440 that was part of it. I'm sure it is a little bit. I've 113 00:09:46.440 --> 00:09:48.799 always been a news junkie, so I wasn't sitting there in the dark. 114 00:09:48.840 --> 00:09:54.519 I knew all these things were going on around us, but I didn't experience 115 00:09:56.519 --> 00:10:00.399 a lot of it. We stopped going into Seattle because we saw the crime, 116 00:10:00.679 --> 00:10:01.559 you know, we had. I'd been down there once and I saw 117 00:10:01.600 --> 00:10:05.519 somebody steal something. And even down the street from us, we had a 118 00:10:07.320 --> 00:10:09.720 I don't want to say an abandoned home, a home that wasn't being lived 119 00:10:09.720 --> 00:10:13.039 in. It was for sale, and you know, some RV moved in 120 00:10:13.120 --> 00:10:16.360 next in front of it and it was one of those you know, things 121 00:10:16.399 --> 00:10:22.279 being held together by by coat hangers and tape, and they squatted in that 122 00:10:22.360 --> 00:10:26.799 building and I just that's when I and that was probably around twenty fifteen or 123 00:10:26.840 --> 00:10:31.480 sixteen, when my daughter was was little, and that kind of affected me 124 00:10:31.519 --> 00:10:35.120 personally, like seeing that what was going on just you know, a block 125 00:10:35.159 --> 00:10:39.120 and a half away where she rides her bike. When I started thinking, 126 00:10:39.200 --> 00:10:43.799 yeah, this place. For it to come that close to home was when 127 00:10:43.840 --> 00:10:48.360 my eyebrows were definitely raised. But to make a long story short, I 128 00:10:48.399 --> 00:10:52.840 think it was a slow boil for me. And then when it did hit, 129 00:10:54.159 --> 00:10:56.320 it hit, you know, there was no escaping it. You couldn't 130 00:10:56.360 --> 00:11:01.600 pretend anymore. That's that's too bad. I've had how many people including I 131 00:11:01.639 --> 00:11:03.559 think my mom had mentioned at one point that they used to go to Portland 132 00:11:03.600 --> 00:11:07.279 all the time and Seattle all the time in the seventies and eighties and into 133 00:11:07.279 --> 00:11:11.759 the nineties, and you know, especially Portland, what are they called the 134 00:11:11.799 --> 00:11:15.679 Rose City and just how beautiful it used to be and now it's just a 135 00:11:15.720 --> 00:11:18.120 shell of what it used to be. And it really just goes to show 136 00:11:18.159 --> 00:11:22.799 what politicians, what poor politicians, I should say, what poor politicians can 137 00:11:22.840 --> 00:11:28.080 do to an entire city. It's it's really sad, it really is. 138 00:11:28.159 --> 00:11:31.840 Now, you made a bold decision, so obviously you were at some point 139 00:11:31.919 --> 00:11:37.240 awake. You were hesitant to take the old jab. Now you did mention 140 00:11:37.320 --> 00:11:41.960 that you came to Christ in two thousand and eight, and can you kind 141 00:11:41.960 --> 00:11:46.200 of go from there your journey to the truth, from being saved in two 142 00:11:46.200 --> 00:11:50.399 thousand and eight and the people who influenced you into your awakening, and where 143 00:11:50.519 --> 00:11:58.399 was flat Earth in the whole realm of being awake? Sure? I think 144 00:11:58.039 --> 00:12:01.080 I was always skeptical. Okay, I'll say that right up right out the 145 00:12:01.120 --> 00:12:03.000 gate. You know, I think I said said, you know, when 146 00:12:03.000 --> 00:12:05.039 I was a kid, I would look at the moon. I would just 147 00:12:05.039 --> 00:12:07.559 stare at it, and I would think, you know, that kind of 148 00:12:07.559 --> 00:12:11.159 looks, you know, the dark spaces of the moon. I said, 149 00:12:11.200 --> 00:12:13.840 that kind of looks like the earth, and I would but I would keep 150 00:12:13.840 --> 00:12:16.919 that in my head. I wouldn't tell anybody because I figured it sounded silly. 151 00:12:18.039 --> 00:12:22.120 So I always kind of was out there a little bit thinking outside the 152 00:12:22.120 --> 00:12:28.279 box, I suppose. But when when my wife and I moved to Seattle, 153 00:12:28.320 --> 00:12:31.320 we found a really great church that we like a lot. We ended 154 00:12:31.399 --> 00:12:35.039 up leaving that church about two three years later. But that's when when I 155 00:12:35.080 --> 00:12:43.120 started getting into my Bible more regularly. I started just you know, what 156 00:12:43.200 --> 00:12:45.720 happens a lot of time when when when you're saved, or when when you 157 00:12:45.840 --> 00:12:48.960 first become saved, you kind of dig into it pretty hard. A lot 158 00:12:48.960 --> 00:12:52.919 of people do, and and I was no exception. And so at work 159 00:12:52.200 --> 00:12:56.799 at the time, I had an iPod and I would download or listen to 160 00:12:56.879 --> 00:13:01.559 like a w tozer and I would just listen to sermons or different different like 161 00:13:01.639 --> 00:13:05.679 sermon audio things like that, and I would listen to it a lot. 162 00:13:05.720 --> 00:13:09.240 And I don't know the exact person, but I think at one point, 163 00:13:11.000 --> 00:13:15.480 I think it was the Giants. I'm fairly certain it was the Nephelim something 164 00:13:15.559 --> 00:13:20.360 in a in a podcast like Okay, I've never heard that before. And 165 00:13:20.440 --> 00:13:28.279 so it started with the Nephelin and turned into Rob Skiba you know that that's 166 00:13:28.360 --> 00:13:33.440 kind of like and started to listening to other podcasts that talked about the giants 167 00:13:33.559 --> 00:13:37.080 and and just and that kind of started, I would say, the real 168 00:13:37.200 --> 00:13:46.279 journey into like, Okay, what what have we been taught that has set 169 00:13:46.360 --> 00:13:50.480 us down the wrong path? Like We've been taught so many things that you 170 00:13:50.519 --> 00:13:56.720 know, I've giants were always mythology, right always, and and once my 171 00:13:56.799 --> 00:14:01.360 eyes opened up to the fact that, okay, the Word of God has 172 00:14:01.360 --> 00:14:07.559 taught me that giants existed, but man tells me that that was mythology? 173 00:14:07.559 --> 00:14:11.200 Okay, what else? What else is there? And uh, but of 174 00:14:11.200 --> 00:14:15.000 course, you know, you know Rob Skiba and Eric de Bay, but 175 00:14:15.080 --> 00:14:18.879 particularly Rob. You know, he went from I think it was maybe twenty 176 00:14:18.399 --> 00:14:22.080 twelve or thirteen fourteen, I'm not exactly sure, but he went from Nephelim 177 00:14:22.559 --> 00:14:28.320 and then like went head on into flat earth. It seemed he took a 178 00:14:28.440 --> 00:14:33.399 huge shift. And I'd say I started that major shift right around that time 179 00:14:33.440 --> 00:14:37.759 with him, because I really respected him. Yeah, and I'll tell you 180 00:14:37.799 --> 00:14:41.360 the one thing that really I don't know if you ever heard it, because 181 00:14:41.440 --> 00:14:45.879 Rob has so many hours and hours of audio out there, but did you 182 00:14:45.919 --> 00:14:52.279 ever hear him talk about Nimrod? Yes? Yeah, just incredible stuff. 183 00:14:52.559 --> 00:14:56.320 Yeah, it's such a loss losing him last year. His wife actually came 184 00:14:56.320 --> 00:15:01.039 out within the last few months and kind I came out in public and she 185 00:15:01.080 --> 00:15:03.399 made a speech. It was on YouTube. I'd have to go back and 186 00:15:03.399 --> 00:15:05.279 find it. If I do find it, I'll link it in the show 187 00:15:05.279 --> 00:15:09.000 description. You know, they were like two peas in a pod, and 188 00:15:09.039 --> 00:15:11.120 it was a huge loss for the truth community. And he was such a 189 00:15:11.200 --> 00:15:16.200 follower of Christ and uh he he was a very critical thinker. And I 190 00:15:16.360 --> 00:15:20.120 too. One of the first people who introduced me to the Nephilim, into 191 00:15:20.159 --> 00:15:24.799 Giants and Genesis six was Rob Skiba as well. On that note, did 192 00:15:24.799 --> 00:15:28.720 you have a chance to listen to the Gary Wayne episode yet? Yes? 193 00:15:30.120 --> 00:15:33.399 And in fact I have I have the Genesis sixth Conspiracy. I have that 194 00:15:33.440 --> 00:15:37.600 book. I got about halfway into it. He's a he's a great writer. 195 00:15:39.799 --> 00:15:41.240 It's a very heavy book, but I but it's a good book. 196 00:15:41.759 --> 00:15:46.159 So I'm very familiar with him because I've listened to Terry cry radio for example, 197 00:15:46.200 --> 00:15:50.159 and Rob used to had been on that and I in fact, Sheila 198 00:15:50.279 --> 00:15:54.639 was on that not too long ago, I believe, and so yeah, 199 00:15:54.720 --> 00:16:03.159 that's it's yeah, that's I'm I'm I'm aware of like nim Rod for example, 200 00:16:03.200 --> 00:16:07.919 you had brought up Nimrod. Yeah, I would really like to. 201 00:16:10.080 --> 00:16:12.120 I want to be around for the day because you know that says he turned 202 00:16:12.120 --> 00:16:18.840 into it. What is a gibberine? Yeah, I feel like the technology 203 00:16:18.919 --> 00:16:21.759 is out there that we're going to see that. I don't know what that 204 00:16:21.799 --> 00:16:26.519 even means, but there's nothing new under the sun, and I just wonder 205 00:16:26.559 --> 00:16:33.759 if we're going to live to see the return of you know, as as 206 00:16:33.840 --> 00:16:37.320 a giant like I wonder if that's the form it's going to take or if 207 00:16:37.360 --> 00:16:42.759 it's going to be more of the left behind kind of scenario. Yeah, 208 00:16:42.799 --> 00:16:48.679 that's definitely going to be interesting times for sure for you for here to see 209 00:16:48.720 --> 00:16:55.120 that. Yeah, you had mentioned in your email that you know, looking 210 00:16:55.120 --> 00:17:00.000 at the moon was kind of comforting for you and you really took the time 211 00:17:00.000 --> 00:17:03.399 I'm in your you know, I guess in the last five or ten years 212 00:17:03.440 --> 00:17:08.400 to really devote to learning about the true shape of Biblical Earth. Was there 213 00:17:08.440 --> 00:17:15.880 a certain bullet point that resonated with you in your search too, Like did 214 00:17:15.880 --> 00:17:23.079 you come into like, I'm going to disprove heliocentrism and you couldn't or was 215 00:17:23.119 --> 00:17:27.279 it just that the flat earth made too much sense? Was there a smoking 216 00:17:27.319 --> 00:17:32.200 gun in your research that said, yeah, this is you know, the 217 00:17:32.240 --> 00:17:38.680 biblical cosmology makes a lot more sense than the spinning ball. Yeah, it 218 00:17:38.759 --> 00:17:44.559 was actually a pretty easy thing for me to accept that the Earth was flat. 219 00:17:44.680 --> 00:17:48.119 Of course we don't know the exact you know, how it looks exactly, 220 00:17:48.160 --> 00:17:53.920 but you know when they started taking What really opened my eyes was when 221 00:17:53.920 --> 00:17:59.640 they started taking things off of YouTube, because I because I feel like when 222 00:18:00.039 --> 00:18:06.160 when whoever the powers that be are when they start either attacking verbally or taking 223 00:18:06.200 --> 00:18:11.160 things away from the public so they can't see it anymore. If it was 224 00:18:11.200 --> 00:18:14.680 just another myth, for example, bigfoot, you can look up a million 225 00:18:14.880 --> 00:18:18.200 you type big foot in YouTube and you're gonna get a bunch of stuff, 226 00:18:18.279 --> 00:18:22.000 right or lockness monsters. So they obviously don't view it like that, right. 227 00:18:22.319 --> 00:18:26.720 It seems to be a real hot button thing that they do not want 228 00:18:26.720 --> 00:18:33.200 people to see so, and I do believe that, of course, that 229 00:18:33.279 --> 00:18:41.160 men are liars, and and knowing that, having that knowledge that the men 230 00:18:41.839 --> 00:18:45.799 are for the most part, they're out for themselves, out to protect their 231 00:18:45.880 --> 00:18:49.680 own interests. It was actually really easy for me to look at the story 232 00:18:49.759 --> 00:18:55.440 that I was told since I was a little kid and having a globe everywhere, 233 00:18:55.519 --> 00:18:59.400 and you know, being inundated with it. And then when flat Earth 234 00:18:59.440 --> 00:19:03.559 came around, it wasn't it wasn't a difficult shift. It was actually very 235 00:19:03.599 --> 00:19:11.759 easy for me, and and and I think the biggest the biggest thing for 236 00:19:11.799 --> 00:19:18.160 me was just the Bible itself. I feel like the more I learn about 237 00:19:18.200 --> 00:19:22.359 flat Earth, and I watched the videos and I it could be overwhelming sometimes 238 00:19:22.400 --> 00:19:29.920 because there are a variety of opinions out there, but the sort of the 239 00:19:29.920 --> 00:19:33.200 more time that passes, the older I get, and especially with raising a 240 00:19:33.279 --> 00:19:38.839 daughter, I want to go back into the Word and see where we're being 241 00:19:38.880 --> 00:19:47.759 told by God our reality and the Bible. You know, it's pretty It 242 00:19:47.799 --> 00:19:49.559 could be a little cryptic, of course, but I think it's pretty specific 243 00:19:49.599 --> 00:20:00.799 in other in other parts and it being stationary for example, I mean, 244 00:20:00.799 --> 00:20:04.279 that's that's huge. You can't just pretend that it doesn't say that. And 245 00:20:06.240 --> 00:20:12.039 and I've heard Christis, other Christians people that I really like take something like 246 00:20:12.079 --> 00:20:18.279 the still Earth and they'll they'll they'll do mental jiu jitsu to get to a 247 00:20:18.359 --> 00:20:23.440 spinning ball. Yeah, and it's it's kind of easy to spot now. 248 00:20:25.559 --> 00:20:30.079 So yeah, the Bible to me right now is kind of the the answer, 249 00:20:33.119 --> 00:20:34.400 the answer to the question. I still enjoy the videos, and obviously 250 00:20:34.400 --> 00:20:37.519 I listen to your podcast and everything, but I like, I really like 251 00:20:37.599 --> 00:20:42.519 when you have guests they bring up different Bible verses that I hadn't heard before 252 00:20:44.000 --> 00:20:47.799 or paid enough attention to. And then I get to go back and look 253 00:20:47.880 --> 00:20:49.519 and I have the you know, the Blue Letter Bible where you can search 254 00:20:49.559 --> 00:20:53.079 on terms of course, and that's been a huge help. Yeah, that 255 00:20:53.599 --> 00:20:59.240 strong concordance. And there's so many tools out there that are really really helpful. 256 00:20:59.400 --> 00:21:02.559 And you know what's really cool is, you know, people listen to 257 00:21:02.599 --> 00:21:06.200 these podcasts and then they will and maybe they're not even at the time they 258 00:21:06.279 --> 00:21:10.400 listen to the podcast Bible believers, that they're kind of getting into it because 259 00:21:10.440 --> 00:21:14.240 flat Earth has led a lot of people back to God. And I'll get 260 00:21:14.359 --> 00:21:17.759 questions and I'll have to go back and do my research again. So it 261 00:21:17.920 --> 00:21:21.240 is I've spent a lot more time in the Bible, which is a good 262 00:21:21.279 --> 00:21:23.880 thing since this podcast has started, because I'm getting q and as I think, 263 00:21:23.960 --> 00:21:30.359 just was it yesterday or today? Somebody had asked me about Genesis one 264 00:21:30.680 --> 00:21:33.960 chapter I'm sorry, Genesis chapter one, verse three when God said let there 265 00:21:33.960 --> 00:21:37.079 be light, and there was light, and the email or has said, 266 00:21:37.480 --> 00:21:41.759 well the sun hadn't you know, he didn't made the sun in the moon 267 00:21:41.880 --> 00:21:45.000 yet. That that's a couple of verses later. So what was the light 268 00:21:45.720 --> 00:21:51.279 in Genesis chapter one, verse three? So there's always, you know, 269 00:21:51.400 --> 00:21:56.440 questions to research within that. That's so amazing. I mean, to plunder 270 00:21:56.559 --> 00:22:00.559 God, who's mean that's all you can do, right, I mean, 271 00:22:00.640 --> 00:22:04.519 you're gonna you're not gonna get past ponder. So but I'll tell you what. 272 00:22:04.680 --> 00:22:11.079 The the one thing that really bothers me is biblically speaking, when people 273 00:22:11.119 --> 00:22:14.599 bring up the whole circle of the earth thing in Isaiah. Yeah, and 274 00:22:14.640 --> 00:22:19.359 they and they say it's evidence of the ball. Can I can I read 275 00:22:19.359 --> 00:22:23.160 Isaiah to you? Yeah? Is that the one with the grasshoppers? Yes? 276 00:22:23.720 --> 00:22:29.160 Please? Forty verse twenty two. Okay, I'll read this is a 277 00:22:29.240 --> 00:22:32.559 king James. But it says it is he that sitteth upon the circle of 278 00:22:32.599 --> 00:22:37.759 the Earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers that stretches, stretcheth out 279 00:22:37.920 --> 00:22:41.839 the heavens as a curtain, and spread them out as a tent to dwell. 280 00:22:41.599 --> 00:22:45.759 Okay, circle. When I hear the words circle, I don't think 281 00:22:45.799 --> 00:22:48.759 of a ball. I just if you do a Google search on circle, 282 00:22:48.799 --> 00:22:52.359 it's a it's a two D. It's I can have a circular table. 283 00:22:52.519 --> 00:22:56.680 That's a fleas pan. Okay. Now, if we take the same book 284 00:22:56.759 --> 00:23:02.799 Isaiah and we go to we go back a few chapters to Isaiah twenty two, 285 00:23:02.880 --> 00:23:04.680 verse eighteen. Have you ever read that one? Which one again, 286 00:23:04.680 --> 00:23:10.039 I'm sorry, Isaiah twenty two verse eighteen, Yeah, I think that's similar 287 00:23:10.039 --> 00:23:15.279 to the one you just read forty Yeah. So it says he will surely 288 00:23:15.640 --> 00:23:22.359 violently turn and toss the like a ball into a large country. So, 289 00:23:23.039 --> 00:23:30.000 and you know, roughly twenty chapters before the circle, Isaiah's talking about a 290 00:23:30.079 --> 00:23:36.559 ball, So he knows what a ball is. So if it was a 291 00:23:36.599 --> 00:23:37.759 ball, and he would have very well have said, he said, up 292 00:23:37.759 --> 00:23:41.319 on the ball of you, but he didn't. He was very specific. 293 00:23:41.359 --> 00:23:45.920 He says circle over there, and so I when people bring up the circle, 294 00:23:45.960 --> 00:23:48.440 I'm like, okay, backtrack to twenty two because he says ball. 295 00:23:48.519 --> 00:23:56.119 He knows what a ball is. So I've always found that a little interesting 296 00:23:56.119 --> 00:23:59.480 because I I that seems to be an argument from a lot of Christians with 297 00:23:59.799 --> 00:24:03.599 the leading the you know, the chill ecentric model is the circle of the 298 00:24:03.640 --> 00:24:07.759 earth, and it's just you couple that with a footstool. It's like you 299 00:24:07.119 --> 00:24:11.599 you don't have a I've never seen a footstool in the shape of a globe 300 00:24:11.640 --> 00:24:15.519 exactly, and and I've never looked I've never looked at a ball and say, 301 00:24:15.519 --> 00:24:18.440 look, it's a circle. And going back to what you said, 302 00:24:18.480 --> 00:24:23.279 if you look at the actual definition of circle, there's two big differences. 303 00:24:23.359 --> 00:24:26.720 One the circle is a two D and obviously a ball is a three D. 304 00:24:26.880 --> 00:24:30.759 But secondly, if you look at the actual definition, it's funny. 305 00:24:30.799 --> 00:24:34.440 There's a word in there that should resonate with everybody. It says a circle 306 00:24:34.640 --> 00:24:41.720 is a shape consisting of all points in a plane. Yes, yes, 307 00:24:42.680 --> 00:24:48.599 yep, yep, there's a which which one is. This is Joe where 308 00:24:48.599 --> 00:24:55.720 he talks about the circuit of heaven and when you look honest, se this 309 00:24:55.880 --> 00:25:02.279 is the strongs Joe twenty two fo TEENA. I believe maybe that was it. 310 00:25:02.359 --> 00:25:04.119 Yeah, because I'm looking at the Hebrew and it says circuit means a 311 00:25:04.200 --> 00:25:11.440 circle sphere used of the arch or vault of the sky. So it's talking 312 00:25:11.440 --> 00:25:15.480 about the circuit. It's talking about the ball an arch, which brings me, 313 00:25:15.599 --> 00:25:21.079 you know, to the rainbow. When I see a rainbow. You 314 00:25:21.119 --> 00:25:23.119 know, as a child, you hear rainbow and you're thinking like a bow 315 00:25:23.200 --> 00:25:26.400 on your tie, a bow in your shoe. But that when I see 316 00:25:26.400 --> 00:25:34.640 a rainbow, I see an image of the dome, the covering. Yeah, 317 00:25:34.920 --> 00:25:38.759 I think it's a perfect representation of this covering over us. Right. 318 00:25:41.319 --> 00:25:45.960 So yeah, that but circle and ball, Isaiah says them both. So 319 00:25:47.119 --> 00:25:51.839 next time, so he tells you that circle means a ball point to that. 320 00:25:52.319 --> 00:25:56.480 But yeah, there you go. Now that you have realized that we 321 00:25:56.519 --> 00:26:02.880 live on a flat plane. How did you present that your wife? I 322 00:26:02.880 --> 00:26:04.880 mean, she took to it right away. It didn't take a lot of 323 00:26:04.920 --> 00:26:10.240 convincing. I had her listen to you know, I think I gave her 324 00:26:10.319 --> 00:26:15.680 at that time. It was either Eric Dubay or what's what's the guy's name? 325 00:26:18.160 --> 00:26:22.079 Is it Flat Earth Clues Guy? Is that it Mark? Yes, 326 00:26:22.240 --> 00:26:26.519 Yes, I think I ever listened to work actually, and she was. 327 00:26:26.079 --> 00:26:29.799 And I don't know what to think of him now, it doesn't really matter, 328 00:26:30.720 --> 00:26:36.839 but but I'm fairly certain that's who I pointed her toward, and she's 329 00:26:36.960 --> 00:26:41.160 said those are all valid points. And then along with the fact that she's 330 00:26:41.440 --> 00:26:44.160 I mean, she's in her Bible way more than I am. I mean, 331 00:26:44.240 --> 00:26:49.319 she's she's amazing and and with that, with the strength of her reading 332 00:26:49.359 --> 00:26:56.000 of God's where she's I don't think she has any doubt as to the shape 333 00:26:56.039 --> 00:26:59.799 of the earth at all. So she was she was really easy to talk 334 00:26:59.799 --> 00:27:00.279 to. I mean, I could talk to her about it. Now, 335 00:27:00.359 --> 00:27:07.279 she's not fully invested like I am, but I don't have any reservations bringing 336 00:27:07.359 --> 00:27:15.000 her more information or even kind of crazier ideas. You know, She's like, 337 00:27:15.279 --> 00:27:18.720 even with the COVID thing, we were so on board with that, 338 00:27:18.559 --> 00:27:23.759 we were on the same page that it's really strengthened our marriage. And I 339 00:27:23.759 --> 00:27:30.039 would even say this as well, is strengthened our marriage. When when you 340 00:27:30.119 --> 00:27:34.759 kind of you make a move across the country that that's obviously a huge commitment, 341 00:27:34.759 --> 00:27:37.160 and you want somebody on your side who thinks the same way as you. 342 00:27:37.599 --> 00:27:42.400 And it is also pretty helpful to have somebody on the same page as 343 00:27:42.400 --> 00:27:47.440 you when it comes to the earth that you're living on. Makes things a 344 00:27:47.480 --> 00:27:52.200 little easier. Yeah, And you know, speaking to John Kerwin the other 345 00:27:52.279 --> 00:27:56.759 day, you know that there were a lot of people with COVID that it 346 00:27:56.880 --> 00:28:03.960 destroyed marriages because of the avisiveness and with other folks like yourself, like me 347 00:28:03.000 --> 00:28:07.680 and my wife, we went through some you know, rough times as well. 348 00:28:07.039 --> 00:28:11.680 And I guess now it's the good time to kind of segue into that 349 00:28:11.759 --> 00:28:17.559 which I'm going to spend this entire work with weekend working on an episode for 350 00:28:17.599 --> 00:28:21.240 Tuesday's Fact Hunt her. We're going to do a massive retrospect on COVID with 351 00:28:21.240 --> 00:28:25.440 all the tyranny and everything that happened. But number one, did it affect 352 00:28:26.279 --> 00:28:30.039 with your extended family? Was there any devices, you know, divide within 353 00:28:30.079 --> 00:28:36.599 your extended family or were you all on the same page? Okay, So 354 00:28:36.720 --> 00:28:41.640 again with I'm a huge family, so it extends a lot a lot of 355 00:28:41.640 --> 00:28:45.279 people. But the people that I'm in contact with, no, I think 356 00:28:45.319 --> 00:28:48.359 we were all. I think we're all on the same page. My younger 357 00:28:48.400 --> 00:28:52.359 sister is a nurse and she's not at all on the same page. And 358 00:28:55.279 --> 00:29:03.039 but we've never been really close my older sister, and much closer my older 359 00:29:03.119 --> 00:29:07.359 sister. It's just unfortunate the way it all went down. And my older 360 00:29:07.400 --> 00:29:11.559 sisters, she's incredibly smart. She was a principal, she was a teacher, 361 00:29:15.000 --> 00:29:18.920 but she went out and got it, you know, and I didn't 362 00:29:18.920 --> 00:29:22.599 have monitor or anything, but she knows how. I feel like both my 363 00:29:22.680 --> 00:29:26.880 parents got it. My dad is immutocompromised. He is, He's had numerous 364 00:29:26.920 --> 00:29:33.599 cancers. He's still going though, but I think he was advised and he 365 00:29:33.880 --> 00:29:41.720 followed the advice. But as as far as like our move out here, 366 00:29:41.200 --> 00:29:45.839 if everybody supported it, there's nobody who said, I mean, obviously they 367 00:29:45.839 --> 00:29:48.440 know why we can. So nobody said, well, Mark, you're you're 368 00:29:48.480 --> 00:29:52.720 overreacting. You don't need to make such a big move. They had a 369 00:29:53.000 --> 00:29:56.519 sort of going away party for us, and a lot of my relatives came, 370 00:29:56.559 --> 00:30:00.640 and although it wasn't really a topic of conversation should like COVID specifically, 371 00:30:02.680 --> 00:30:08.359 everybody knew why and everybody was really supportive but I mean, if I could 372 00:30:08.359 --> 00:30:12.400 go my my sister, my older sister, she during COVID had her teachers, 373 00:30:14.480 --> 00:30:18.480 you know, all doing the zoom classes that everybody was doing, and 374 00:30:18.160 --> 00:30:22.440 at some point she wanted to reward them, and so she had the teachers 375 00:30:22.480 --> 00:30:26.319 meet and at a park, bring their own blankets, and she supplied food. 376 00:30:26.319 --> 00:30:30.440 She went to the local Mexican place and supplied food, and some nosy 377 00:30:30.440 --> 00:30:34.319 neighbor called the cops on even though they were all on separate blankets. And 378 00:30:34.720 --> 00:30:38.119 yeah, so I think she got a taste of the you know, of 379 00:30:38.960 --> 00:30:45.640 just how bad it was, so she didn't have any issue or say anything 380 00:30:45.680 --> 00:30:49.000 negative to us coming out here. I had to go to a funeral my 381 00:30:49.359 --> 00:30:55.480 uncle papsed away during COVID, and it was at a Croatian Catholic church, 382 00:30:55.519 --> 00:31:00.359 and you know, they did the separating of people, but the reality years 383 00:31:00.400 --> 00:31:03.680 within about five to ten minutes, nobody was, you know, following along 384 00:31:03.680 --> 00:31:11.279 and kind of just everybody was wearing masks, of course, but the overall 385 00:31:11.400 --> 00:31:15.920 vibe of the room was they all knew it was nonsense, and you know, 386 00:31:17.119 --> 00:31:21.880 unfortunately the churches had to follow some protocols, but they were fairly lenient 387 00:31:22.640 --> 00:31:25.920 for that but of course he couldn't have. You know, if my uncle 388 00:31:26.000 --> 00:31:30.119 was a very beloved person, and he probably would have had two thousand people 389 00:31:30.119 --> 00:31:33.279 at his funeral, but I think they had to keep it down to like 390 00:31:33.319 --> 00:31:37.559 fifth year or whatever it was, so it was a real shame. He 391 00:31:37.680 --> 00:31:40.480 had two things I'll kind of tell you. Number one, I had to 392 00:31:40.559 --> 00:31:42.839 drive. I think it was once a month. I had to drive from 393 00:31:42.880 --> 00:31:48.000 taser Hungry to Sarajevo and back. And driving through Croatia, one of the 394 00:31:48.039 --> 00:31:53.160 most amazing countries, beautiful countries, the friendliest people. Everybody smiled, everybody 395 00:31:53.160 --> 00:31:59.200 waved, and it's kind of crazy how just a border, how everything can 396 00:31:59.279 --> 00:32:04.920 change, going from just Croatia to the former Republic of Yugoslavia and just incredible 397 00:32:05.759 --> 00:32:08.440 but just awesome people. Zagrab Beach is you know, one of the best 398 00:32:08.440 --> 00:32:15.480 beaches in the world, and they've kind of kept they haven't really had this 399 00:32:15.599 --> 00:32:21.480 huge from what I've heard, they haven't really had this huge influx of folks 400 00:32:21.519 --> 00:32:25.359 from other countries like you know, Europe and in America has seen. So 401 00:32:27.599 --> 00:32:30.559 it's one of the few gems left in the world. And uh, there's 402 00:32:30.599 --> 00:32:34.799 the thing now that you're saying that the problem. I want to say the 403 00:32:34.839 --> 00:32:37.240 problem, but I'm being a little position, But it was, it was 404 00:32:37.279 --> 00:32:40.240 always Croatia was always sort of the hidden, hidden gym. A lot of 405 00:32:40.279 --> 00:32:44.759 people from Europe would go there to the coast because it is so beautiful, 406 00:32:44.799 --> 00:32:47.880 but the cats out of the bag kind of and it's it's definitely, you 407 00:32:47.920 --> 00:32:52.759 know, they've especially after the war, there were a lot of Croatian Americans 408 00:32:52.759 --> 00:32:55.960 with money that invested back into the country and putting up more hotels and things 409 00:32:55.960 --> 00:33:00.559 like that. And I think it's uncle of my moved to Zadar right on 410 00:33:00.599 --> 00:33:06.200 the coaster as well, and it's definitely. I don't think it's a secret 411 00:33:06.240 --> 00:33:09.759 anymore, that's for sure. Yeah. I got a really cool beer mug 412 00:33:09.839 --> 00:33:14.160 beer Stein from Croatia that I still have to this day. I got fond 413 00:33:14.240 --> 00:33:17.839 memories of that place. It's awesome. So you got to have some food 414 00:33:17.880 --> 00:33:22.200 too, absolutely, Yeah, Yeah, that part of the world is so 415 00:33:22.440 --> 00:33:27.720 is so interesting now obviously when you get into Kosovo and Bosnia and Serbia, 416 00:33:28.240 --> 00:33:31.440 you know that that kind of strife has been going on for a long long 417 00:33:31.519 --> 00:33:35.960 time, right, going even going back to the World War One that time 418 00:33:35.960 --> 00:33:39.200 frame, right, that's where what's his name Ferdinand, right that that was 419 00:33:39.279 --> 00:33:44.440 Yugoslavia where he got shut. Yeah, yeah, our stupart Ferdinand. And 420 00:33:45.799 --> 00:33:50.200 but is Tito was around when my father was there, and that's he and 421 00:33:50.240 --> 00:33:53.200 his brothers and they all had to escape. They all went left at separate 422 00:33:53.200 --> 00:33:57.640 times, but they all had to escape just because it got some bad And 423 00:33:57.640 --> 00:34:00.680 you know, my dad would tell me that you would have to whisper if 424 00:34:00.720 --> 00:34:05.799 you wanted to talk politics because you were afraid of your neighbor turning you in. 425 00:34:06.279 --> 00:34:08.360 This kind of sounds like COVID. Yeah, there you go, and 426 00:34:08.480 --> 00:34:14.199 it's funny, not funny, haha, But you know, yeah, I 427 00:34:14.239 --> 00:34:20.199 read an article a guy who he's more I guess a social media guy, 428 00:34:20.239 --> 00:34:22.760 being popular that way. But he's a good dude. And he wrote a 429 00:34:22.800 --> 00:34:29.000 story last week on his father died in twenty twenty a July of twenty twenty, 430 00:34:29.119 --> 00:34:31.840 and he added, I think he lived in SoCal and the funeral was 431 00:34:31.880 --> 00:34:36.360 in Seattle, so he went up to Seattle. They only allowed one person 432 00:34:36.480 --> 00:34:38.000 in there at the time, So there was the casket with his dad in 433 00:34:38.079 --> 00:34:42.440 it, and one person at a time could go inside. So he remembered 434 00:34:42.440 --> 00:34:45.719 just sitting in the funeral parlor by himself with his dad, you know, 435 00:34:45.760 --> 00:34:49.159 and he's like, my dad was soltered the earth and just you know, 436 00:34:49.159 --> 00:34:52.960 everybody how they think of their father, and you know, and for him 437 00:34:52.960 --> 00:34:57.800 to go out that way, he was very saddened. But he also mentioned 438 00:34:57.880 --> 00:35:00.079 driving back Oregon apparently as a state where you're not allowed to pump your own 439 00:35:00.079 --> 00:35:02.559 gas. He didn't know that. So he's like, you know, I 440 00:35:02.599 --> 00:35:07.280 get out of I pull up to a gas station and I started to get 441 00:35:07.320 --> 00:35:09.599 out of my car and and he encountered that type of thing. The gas 442 00:35:09.599 --> 00:35:13.719 station attendant is like, what are you doing out of your car? And 443 00:35:14.039 --> 00:35:16.079 he's like, I forgot I couldn't bump my gas. And he's like, 444 00:35:16.079 --> 00:35:21.199 what are you we even traveling for this? There's a global pandemic going on, 445 00:35:21.719 --> 00:35:28.159 and just you know how just regular people not you know, it's bad 446 00:35:28.280 --> 00:35:32.400 enough that the government shut us down, but for the same people to embrace 447 00:35:32.480 --> 00:35:37.800 the enslavement and you know, try to think that you have more power over 448 00:35:37.840 --> 00:35:42.800 someone else. The entire thing was just clown world. It's just lunacy. 449 00:35:42.880 --> 00:35:45.639 And I can't tell you how many times I was pulled, pulled my mask 450 00:35:45.760 --> 00:35:52.880 up over my nose by you know, like fifteen year olds. It was 451 00:35:52.920 --> 00:35:59.719 just, uh yeah, it was I have no So my wife's father still 452 00:35:59.719 --> 00:36:04.400 lived out in Washington and they have a place, a beach house in Oregon 453 00:36:04.440 --> 00:36:07.599 as well, a great place and all that real beautiful. But I and 454 00:36:07.639 --> 00:36:10.920 she was just out there visiting, and I told her I really have no 455 00:36:13.000 --> 00:36:17.039 desire to ever go out there again, to even give that state my money 456 00:36:17.079 --> 00:36:22.880 again, just just because the way it all went down. And I mean, 457 00:36:22.920 --> 00:36:25.320 I do harbor a lot of presentment. Of course I've given a lot 458 00:36:25.320 --> 00:36:30.360 of it up, but you know, I gave up a lot. I 459 00:36:30.480 --> 00:36:36.280 gained a lot, but I certainly you know, you know, I'm fifty 460 00:36:36.280 --> 00:36:39.960 one and I was planning another you know, fifteen sixty years and then getting 461 00:36:39.960 --> 00:36:45.639 out with my pension, and I really don't have that option as yet, 462 00:36:45.679 --> 00:36:50.400 so I've had to you know, that was a big decision. Obviously, 463 00:36:50.440 --> 00:36:52.400 it wasn't a big decision to come out here, but I mean this idea 464 00:36:52.440 --> 00:36:57.480 of hey, you're giving up, you're giving up a pension. Essentially I'll 465 00:36:57.480 --> 00:37:00.639 get a little bit, but in the end, the reality is for my 466 00:37:00.840 --> 00:37:06.400 daughter, you know, she's homeschooled. It's just a better environment out here. 467 00:37:06.440 --> 00:37:12.519 So if I could at least give her that before I go. I 468 00:37:12.559 --> 00:37:16.679 think it'll have been worth it. Yeah, and I really applaud your conviction, 469 00:37:16.840 --> 00:37:21.320 and I felt terrible for everybody. You know, my thoughts were with 470 00:37:21.360 --> 00:37:25.840 all the guys in the military who maybe were you know how many people had 471 00:37:25.880 --> 00:37:30.920 seventeen eighteen years in the military invested and you know the same thing. And 472 00:37:31.239 --> 00:37:35.880 in the military, you get you start collecting your pension upon retirement. You 473 00:37:35.920 --> 00:37:38.480 don't have to wait till sixty sixty two, sixty five. You start getting 474 00:37:38.480 --> 00:37:44.239 it right away, and you invest that much time and effort into it, 475 00:37:44.320 --> 00:37:46.360 and then you're told if you don't get this, you're going to lose it 476 00:37:46.400 --> 00:37:52.559 all. It's just and listen, if you don't I've said this many times. 477 00:37:52.599 --> 00:37:55.480 If we don't have physical autonomy, we have no hope for freedom. 478 00:37:55.559 --> 00:38:00.760 And to see our fellow Americans champion the tiering, uh that that that was 479 00:38:00.800 --> 00:38:06.079 brought upon us was really bothersome. And to all the people, I'm not 480 00:38:06.119 --> 00:38:07.519 going to get into the politics, I don't do that on this program. 481 00:38:07.519 --> 00:38:10.800 But to the folks who say just wait till November of twenty twenty four and 482 00:38:10.840 --> 00:38:15.639 everything will be better, Uh, you need to put down the hopium. 483 00:38:15.719 --> 00:38:21.920 Yeah, yeah, I agree with you one hundred percent on it was for 484 00:38:21.960 --> 00:38:25.280 me, it was just disconcerting to see the you know, people that you 485 00:38:27.360 --> 00:38:30.840 trusted, you know, I lost. I lost a couple of friends, 486 00:38:30.840 --> 00:38:36.679 but I definitely lost one that was I was pretty close to him because I 487 00:38:36.719 --> 00:38:39.440 felt like it was one of those situations where like, if you have a 488 00:38:39.440 --> 00:38:42.880 buddy, who's hey, Mark, if you're ever getting in a fight and 489 00:38:42.880 --> 00:38:45.280 somebody's beating up, I'm gonna get in there. I'm gonna scrap with you, 490 00:38:45.440 --> 00:38:46.800 and you know whatever, I'm gonna be there for you. And then 491 00:38:47.000 --> 00:38:51.280 if that actually, you know, ever happened, you just watch them turn 492 00:38:51.320 --> 00:38:53.239 around and run away. That's kind of what I felt with this, is 493 00:38:53.280 --> 00:38:55.840 like, hey, you know, the government ever does this, this and 494 00:38:55.880 --> 00:39:00.000 this, you know, we'll we'll, we'll, I'll buy a commune together 495 00:39:00.119 --> 00:39:04.239 and get out of here. And that's not what happened. My friend. 496 00:39:04.280 --> 00:39:08.920 He he was in in tech and he was able to sell a business and 497 00:39:08.960 --> 00:39:16.840 do very well and moved out of state, and he decided that taking flights 498 00:39:17.119 --> 00:39:21.039 and being able to start another business, you know, you know, business 499 00:39:21.079 --> 00:39:24.480 as usual was worth it for him. That that was his reasoning for getting 500 00:39:25.159 --> 00:39:29.519 the vaccine was so that he can fly again. And I thought, you 501 00:39:29.559 --> 00:39:32.800 know, you've got your wife, you've got your kids, you've got this 502 00:39:32.840 --> 00:39:37.679 new house, you've got this money in the bank, you could start a 503 00:39:37.760 --> 00:39:39.760 little coffee shop, you know, for you could do something. Why why 504 00:39:39.760 --> 00:39:44.119 does it have to be why do you have to get this shot in order 505 00:39:44.159 --> 00:39:49.599 to go fly again? And it was so shortsighted of so many people to 506 00:39:49.679 --> 00:39:51.719 say, you know, I just need to get that shot so I can 507 00:39:51.800 --> 00:39:53.760 fly. I'm like, why don't you just chill out, give it a 508 00:39:53.800 --> 00:39:59.280 little time and see what happens. And there weren't enough people that were willing 509 00:39:59.360 --> 00:40:06.280 to chill out and give it some time. And I knew. I told 510 00:40:06.280 --> 00:40:08.239 my management, you know, I was in management at night. I have 511 00:40:08.360 --> 00:40:13.199 people above me, and I told them this is a mistake. It's a 512 00:40:13.280 --> 00:40:15.280 mistake to push this. I said, given time, they're going to be 513 00:40:15.360 --> 00:40:20.719 lawsuits. And they basically said, well, well we'll deal with it then 514 00:40:21.320 --> 00:40:28.199 and just pushed it. So, yeah, I just kind of feeling that 515 00:40:28.239 --> 00:40:31.079 sense of betrayal. You worked for somebody for I was with them for ten 516 00:40:31.159 --> 00:40:36.599 years, and then you know, to to not even give a a little 517 00:40:36.599 --> 00:40:42.039 bit of compassion, sympathy, whatever you want to call it, toward towards 518 00:40:42.199 --> 00:40:46.360 people that worked for you just pulled me away, But it also revealed revealed 519 00:40:46.920 --> 00:40:52.920 people's true motivations, and I guess there's positive in that. As hurtful as 520 00:40:52.960 --> 00:41:00.320 it is at the moment, it's good to know now. And again, 521 00:41:00.119 --> 00:41:04.920 I do believe to this day that the overplaying of COVID has led to a 522 00:41:04.920 --> 00:41:08.960 lot of people waking up to everything else that's going on. And with COVID, 523 00:41:09.599 --> 00:41:15.960 we see that they use fear to control people and then kind of coming 524 00:41:15.960 --> 00:41:21.360 back around full circle. I believe, and i'd like your thoughts on this, 525 00:41:21.480 --> 00:41:25.360 that heliocentrism is another one of these tools that they use for fear. 526 00:41:27.400 --> 00:41:30.360 You see, they're going crazy with the climates and everything else. But they 527 00:41:30.360 --> 00:41:34.559 can also play the alien card, which is something that they've hinted at for 528 00:41:34.559 --> 00:41:38.559 the last forty years since the Reagan era, and of course it really came 529 00:41:38.559 --> 00:41:44.599 out in the fifties, which was nothing more than stolen technology from the Germans 530 00:41:44.639 --> 00:41:49.280 and just you know things they experiment with. It's not little green men from 531 00:41:50.159 --> 00:41:54.519 Draconia or wherever, but you know, the asteroids could hit us any day, 532 00:41:54.559 --> 00:42:00.320 so I think hiding God is probably one will number one and number two 533 00:42:00.440 --> 00:42:06.360 is fear and control. What are your thoughts on heliocentrism and why it's important 534 00:42:06.400 --> 00:42:10.639 to them? Well, you're absolutely right. I mean, it's it's the 535 00:42:10.800 --> 00:42:17.280 ultimate lie, you know. I think Satan's been hard at work for a 536 00:42:17.320 --> 00:42:22.719 long time pushing all of his lies. But I think ultimately, if you 537 00:42:22.760 --> 00:42:30.639 can tell people that they're prisoners and that they're an accident, and you do 538 00:42:30.719 --> 00:42:37.360 it from the moment, they can comprehend who they are, that that kind 539 00:42:37.360 --> 00:42:43.679 of programming, it's not easy to just just to forget. Now, I 540 00:42:43.719 --> 00:42:45.920 will say this, I was at I was at a friend's house, and 541 00:42:46.360 --> 00:42:51.000 this is aproposed a conversation. I was at a friend's house just recently my 542 00:42:51.039 --> 00:42:54.239 wife was out of town. And they're dellow Christian friends of mine, awesome 543 00:42:54.280 --> 00:42:58.559 people. I really do respect them. But one of them, in particularly 544 00:42:58.679 --> 00:43:04.239 is huge into then so is his son. I mean, they love NASA 545 00:43:04.400 --> 00:43:07.920 this and one of his biggest heroes is budget was Aldrin. He he laments 546 00:43:07.960 --> 00:43:12.360 to this day that he had an opportunity to meet him and he passed it 547 00:43:12.440 --> 00:43:15.880 up. And so we were talking about this, and I don't know who 548 00:43:15.920 --> 00:43:19.440 asked me. But at some point somebody saw the look on my face and 549 00:43:20.199 --> 00:43:22.679 oh yeah, and he said, do you not think we went to the 550 00:43:22.719 --> 00:43:28.360 moon? I said, no, I don't, and really, you could 551 00:43:28.400 --> 00:43:30.639 have heard a pin drop and he said, why not. You want to 552 00:43:30.679 --> 00:43:37.159 know what my incredibly eloquent answer was to that. It was because it's so 553 00:43:37.239 --> 00:43:42.559 stupid. That was my answer. That's all I could come up with at 554 00:43:42.599 --> 00:43:45.079 the time. Is you know, why why don't you think we went to 555 00:43:45.079 --> 00:43:47.840 the moon? And I said, because it's so stupid. And then I 556 00:43:47.920 --> 00:43:51.719 just kind of started laying out some of the things that bothered me about it. 557 00:43:53.119 --> 00:43:59.239 Obviously, the technology was was you know, they had phones the size 558 00:43:59.239 --> 00:44:04.000 of a shoe back then, and I mean the technology wasn't up, not 559 00:44:04.079 --> 00:44:07.480 even close. You look at the lunar lander. It's made of sticks and 560 00:44:07.559 --> 00:44:10.719 tape. And Anya always started pointing these things out, and I think I 561 00:44:10.760 --> 00:44:14.000 think I was losing them a little bit. But at the same time, 562 00:44:14.239 --> 00:44:15.960 I actually was a little proud of myself because I felt that that was the 563 00:44:16.119 --> 00:44:22.400 opening, like, Okay, Mark is the disbeliever, the moon disbeliever guy. 564 00:44:22.960 --> 00:44:25.559 At least now they know that. And I feel like my sort of 565 00:44:25.559 --> 00:44:30.920 trepidation to ever bringing up flat Earth. I've kind of pierced pierced that a 566 00:44:30.920 --> 00:44:35.000 little bit because now I can see that topic coming up again, like, 567 00:44:35.119 --> 00:44:37.639 oh, Mark doesn't believe in we landed on the moon, and I can 568 00:44:37.800 --> 00:44:42.239 kind of start pushing some biblical you know, because we're Christians. I could 569 00:44:42.239 --> 00:44:45.880 start pushing some biblical stuff at them and then maybe flatterth will because I don't 570 00:44:45.920 --> 00:44:51.719 want to just come out and say flatterth right. I wanted to come out, 571 00:44:52.280 --> 00:44:54.880 you know, naturally, and I feel like the moon thing being brought 572 00:44:54.960 --> 00:45:01.239 up without meat even bringing it up. Help with that. And to your 573 00:45:01.239 --> 00:45:07.239 point about the fear that actually came up, I told them that if if 574 00:45:07.280 --> 00:45:14.000 tomorrow, you know, the skies opened up and a UFO came down and 575 00:45:15.000 --> 00:45:19.960 some beings came down, you know, filled with light, and they said, 576 00:45:20.679 --> 00:45:22.519 you're you know, they were lying to you. There is no God. 577 00:45:22.599 --> 00:45:25.360 We put you here. I said, how many people, including Christians 578 00:45:25.400 --> 00:45:30.239 would be And I don't I don't know if I got an answer. I 579 00:45:30.280 --> 00:45:34.119 don't think I got an answer to that. But but but that's that's the 580 00:45:34.159 --> 00:45:37.840 truth. I think people who call who I don't want to say, called 581 00:45:37.880 --> 00:45:42.960 them. So I think good God fearing Christians out there. You know, 582 00:45:44.119 --> 00:45:46.760 God himself says that that the seat would be so great that if it were 583 00:45:46.760 --> 00:45:53.440 possible, even the elect would fall for it. Right, So can you 584 00:45:53.480 --> 00:45:57.480 just imagine can you imagine it when you when you believe this thing that we're 585 00:45:57.480 --> 00:46:00.760 out here in the middle of nowhere, and there are other planets and other 586 00:46:00.840 --> 00:46:07.400 beings and they could come here and come and go as they please, and 587 00:46:07.519 --> 00:46:09.920 that someday they're going to come and tell us that they are our saviors and 588 00:46:09.960 --> 00:46:15.800 they put us here. How many people would drop their faith in a heartbeat. 589 00:46:16.480 --> 00:46:22.000 And I think that that is probably part of the plan, you know, 590 00:46:22.239 --> 00:46:24.920 the big alien thing. I don't know if that's the in Time's deception 591 00:46:25.000 --> 00:46:30.440 or not, but you know, I'm sure it has to do with with 592 00:46:30.760 --> 00:46:38.119 something to that effect. But yeah, that's it's I think right now that 593 00:46:38.280 --> 00:46:43.079 the government's been using it as a distraction, you know, bringing up UFOs 594 00:46:43.119 --> 00:46:45.840 and all that, but it's it's always sort of it there in the background, 595 00:46:47.119 --> 00:46:52.920 and so I and I think, what what gosh, I'm forgetting his 596 00:46:53.000 --> 00:46:57.039 name again? The flat Earth clues, I don't know, like Mark Sargeant, 597 00:46:58.159 --> 00:47:00.840 Mark Sargeant, thank you, you know, that really resonated with me, 598 00:47:01.000 --> 00:47:07.440 and that presentation that he made about feeling caged in and not knowing what's 599 00:47:07.480 --> 00:47:12.280 beyond beyond that that fence, you know, when you feel like you're trapped, 600 00:47:13.440 --> 00:47:17.119 and I and I feel like people without knowing it, that that's what 601 00:47:17.159 --> 00:47:23.519 it is. They feel special that they can go beyond you know, and 602 00:47:23.800 --> 00:47:30.119 article or whatever, so they get they just have their little lives and they're 603 00:47:30.159 --> 00:47:32.239 just doing what they need to do to get by that week, that that 604 00:47:32.320 --> 00:47:36.840 month would ever and they don't think beyond that. Because why, I think 605 00:47:36.840 --> 00:47:40.000 beyond that, you're you're you're trapped, You're in this you're on this spinning 606 00:47:42.440 --> 00:47:49.960 ball in the middle of space. And if people had people had any knowledge 607 00:47:50.000 --> 00:47:54.639 that God is literally there above us, I mean, it would be a 608 00:47:54.679 --> 00:48:00.119 game changer. And and and uh, you know we can't have that, 609 00:48:00.239 --> 00:48:04.320 can't we. I mean, the direction of this world is headed. We 610 00:48:05.039 --> 00:48:08.840 can't have that. So I think Satan's working in double time to keep that 611 00:48:08.960 --> 00:48:20.159 disinformation around and keep people feeling afraid. And Yeah, during that conversation that 612 00:48:20.199 --> 00:48:24.719 I had with my friends, one of them brought up the whole well, 613 00:48:25.400 --> 00:48:28.920 how many people are in on the lie? Do you think everybody's lying. 614 00:48:29.000 --> 00:48:34.679 Do you think you know? And I just compared it to evolution. You 615 00:48:34.719 --> 00:48:38.920 don't need to be part of a conspiracy to be to teach evolution, right, 616 00:48:39.480 --> 00:48:42.920 we know it's a lie. As Christians, all my friends and I 617 00:48:42.960 --> 00:48:45.719 know it's a lie. We don't believe in evolution. We believe we were 618 00:48:45.760 --> 00:48:52.960 created. And so if if your teacher in high school is teaching evolution to 619 00:48:52.039 --> 00:48:57.559 you, they're not in on a conspiracy. They're being taught what they were 620 00:48:57.599 --> 00:49:04.760 taught. It's a lie, but they don't know it's a lie. And 621 00:49:04.800 --> 00:49:07.280 I think, I think the shape of our Earth is the same way. 622 00:49:07.320 --> 00:49:10.519 You don't need to be part of a conspiracy. It's just part of it's 623 00:49:10.559 --> 00:49:15.519 part of the fabric of who we are. It's just it's it's you're indoctrinated 624 00:49:15.559 --> 00:49:20.920 with it, and it's just it's a snowball, and people just teach what 625 00:49:20.960 --> 00:49:25.039 they were taught. And you know, hopefully we can break through that at 626 00:49:25.039 --> 00:49:28.920 some point, but that's just the way it is. Flat Earth and evolution 627 00:49:28.960 --> 00:49:34.199 are very similar in that the lie is so big that you don't need to 628 00:49:34.239 --> 00:49:38.119 necessarily be aware of a conspiracy. You're just you're just regurgitating what you've been 629 00:49:38.159 --> 00:49:43.000 taught over the years, and you're you know, it doesn't mean you're a 630 00:49:43.039 --> 00:49:47.280 bad person. It just means you're misinformed one hundred percent. And two things 631 00:49:47.280 --> 00:49:52.679 I wanted to touch on is people need to realize it's not a coincidence that 632 00:49:52.719 --> 00:49:59.320 you're allowed to travel freely to basically any country in the world. I mean, 633 00:49:59.559 --> 00:50:01.440 you're not to go to North Korea. Maybe I ran in a few 634 00:50:01.440 --> 00:50:07.239 other countries, but you can freely travel the world except for Antarctica. And 635 00:50:07.400 --> 00:50:10.000 not only can't you travel there, I mean, if you want to pay 636 00:50:10.039 --> 00:50:15.039 the ten twenty thousand dollars to go see Deception Island or roth Child's Island, 637 00:50:15.719 --> 00:50:21.239 you can get the token picture and come back, but you can't freely explore 638 00:50:21.320 --> 00:50:23.920 down there. And it's not a coincidence that people who are in on this 639 00:50:24.000 --> 00:50:29.920 treaty, you know, are sworn enemies China and Russia. You know, 640 00:50:30.199 --> 00:50:34.000 we're on the verge of World War three, but we we are all on 641 00:50:34.079 --> 00:50:40.199 board with space and Antarctica, right yeah, yeah, But you know, 642 00:50:40.800 --> 00:50:45.079 let me ask you this because I heard you. I actually just today listen 643 00:50:45.159 --> 00:50:49.159 to your talking to Dave Weiss, and he obviously is an influence too. 644 00:50:49.159 --> 00:50:52.000 I love I like his voice. He's got a good he's got a differ 645 00:50:52.079 --> 00:50:55.719 kind. You have a really great radio voice. Dave's voice is so jilior 646 00:50:55.920 --> 00:51:02.840 that it kind of like grips me. But you know when when you see 647 00:51:04.119 --> 00:51:07.840 the like we'll take SpaceX, all these rockets that supposedly go into outer space 648 00:51:07.960 --> 00:51:14.519 doing their thing, and and their their trail leaves an arc, right, 649 00:51:14.599 --> 00:51:16.760 so it doesn't go straight off the leaves in art, that's right. Uh, 650 00:51:17.400 --> 00:51:22.079 what have you ever heard the refutal from like what do people say about 651 00:51:22.079 --> 00:51:24.639 it? I've never heard anybody say, well, no, it's because of 652 00:51:24.679 --> 00:51:29.440 this or because that that it's making that park rather than just going straight up. 653 00:51:29.480 --> 00:51:32.320 Do you know what people say about that? Or is Daves if I 654 00:51:32.360 --> 00:51:38.239 remember correctly, something about like do you remember Apollo was it thirteen? Where 655 00:51:38.239 --> 00:51:44.280 they used the gravity they went around and they use the gravity to slingshot themselves. 656 00:51:44.920 --> 00:51:49.679 I've heard that one time before. But again it doesn't make any sense 657 00:51:49.760 --> 00:51:54.519 because it's not like it goes up hundreds of miles and then starts to arc. 658 00:51:55.079 --> 00:51:59.920 I mean it's literally within the first sixty seconds you see it start to 659 00:52:00.119 --> 00:52:04.800 turn. And uh, I always say, because I did some research on 660 00:52:04.840 --> 00:52:08.920 the Bermuda Triangle. It was just about the same time in the sixties when 661 00:52:08.920 --> 00:52:14.639 we started dumping the rockets in that area where the stories of the Bermuda Triangle 662 00:52:14.760 --> 00:52:17.760 started, and boats would avoid that area. And now it turns out it's 663 00:52:17.840 --> 00:52:23.239 it's a rocket grave well, so so then I guess the question would be 664 00:52:23.639 --> 00:52:28.440 if if you knew, for example, they were going to be blasting something 665 00:52:28.480 --> 00:52:32.679 off to the Mars or whatever they say, and you had the time and 666 00:52:32.719 --> 00:52:37.639 the means to go camp out in your boat out. I mean, do 667 00:52:37.719 --> 00:52:40.599 you think the Navy or whoever's out there, you know, you know, 668 00:52:40.639 --> 00:52:47.239 move along, move along, dent on hundred percent. Yes, Okay, 669 00:52:47.800 --> 00:52:52.199 Well then I want to you know, I work with a guy was in 670 00:52:52.239 --> 00:52:55.039 the Navy for twenty years. He just retired not long ago. But I 671 00:52:55.119 --> 00:52:59.440 kind of want to ask me. I told him I believe in flat earth. 672 00:52:59.480 --> 00:53:01.239 He's a Christian, and he actually was pretty he was all right with 673 00:53:01.239 --> 00:53:05.039 it. He was actually kind of your shocked. But we had a good 674 00:53:05.039 --> 00:53:07.880 conversation because so I kind of want to ask him about that because he's been 675 00:53:07.920 --> 00:53:13.280 all over the world and I don't know that that to me would be such 676 00:53:13.280 --> 00:53:15.760 a can you imagine can you imagine being on a boat and being able to 677 00:53:15.880 --> 00:53:22.119 film SpaceX dumping into the Atlantic. Oh, they would scoop us up so 678 00:53:22.239 --> 00:53:25.119 fast with if we got that footage, we would disappear off the face of 679 00:53:25.159 --> 00:53:30.360 the Earth's so quick, I know, I know, I just I wonder 680 00:53:30.400 --> 00:53:32.639 what the becaism is that. I know it sounds really naive, but I 681 00:53:32.679 --> 00:53:37.000 just wonder. You know, how many ships do they have out there monitoring? 682 00:53:37.000 --> 00:53:39.039 I mean, you can all And again I don't know enough about the 683 00:53:39.039 --> 00:53:44.480 technology the Navy has. I'm sure it's extraordinary, but I just wonder what 684 00:53:45.719 --> 00:53:50.280 I mean, if you're just going a fishing trawler out there right, It's 685 00:53:50.320 --> 00:53:52.400 just it's that easy for them to know you're out there, just camping out 686 00:53:52.440 --> 00:53:57.400 there, waiting to see where this rockets going. I mean, I guess 687 00:53:57.719 --> 00:54:00.440 it makes sense, but yeah, I mean, couldn't couldn't have happened before? 688 00:54:00.599 --> 00:54:05.400 Certainly I think it could have. The expanses of the ocean. The 689 00:54:05.400 --> 00:54:08.239 ocean is so big, I mean, it makes like against seventy percent. 690 00:54:08.599 --> 00:54:14.079 And I've had friends who would ride the boat because we would send equipment to 691 00:54:14.079 --> 00:54:15.320 one Iraq. Most of us flew, but we always had to send one 692 00:54:15.400 --> 00:54:20.639 or two reps on the boat to escort the equipment and just you know, 693 00:54:20.679 --> 00:54:22.920 the guy's face of the ocean, just you're in the middle of nowhere, 694 00:54:22.920 --> 00:54:27.679 and they would go days without seeing another vessel. So the expanses of the 695 00:54:27.719 --> 00:54:31.519 seas are just so huge. So I think the chances of somebody actually being 696 00:54:31.559 --> 00:54:37.239 around in certain spots, I think they probably know what spots are inhabited by 697 00:54:37.280 --> 00:54:43.159 fishermen and what areas are not to the effect where they are able. I 698 00:54:43.159 --> 00:54:45.920 mean, listen, they can manipulate everything on this world, so I'm sure 699 00:54:45.960 --> 00:54:49.599 they can manipulate and have radar locks on who's out there and who's not where 700 00:54:49.599 --> 00:54:55.360 to drop it. I'm assuming again, all this is you know, yeah, 701 00:54:55.519 --> 00:55:00.960 we uh. I worked for the railroad for some time as a conductor 702 00:55:00.960 --> 00:55:06.480 and an engineer in California, and we used to go by Vandenberg often, 703 00:55:07.079 --> 00:55:09.559 that was right. I would go from San Luis Obisco to Los Angeles, 704 00:55:10.119 --> 00:55:15.639 and quite a few times they'd have a rocket out there on the launching pad, 705 00:55:15.880 --> 00:55:17.480 you know, smoke coming from it, and then we would have to 706 00:55:17.519 --> 00:55:22.599 stop short of it for one hundred miles or whatever, one way or the 707 00:55:22.639 --> 00:55:25.400 other. And during launches but a lot of times we'd go by and they 708 00:55:25.400 --> 00:55:29.800 were just preparing and we get to see the and back there. I did 709 00:55:29.960 --> 00:55:31.679 back then, I didn't believe in flat earth, so I just thought it 710 00:55:31.719 --> 00:55:37.360 was amazing, and they are amazing, they're huge. But but on that 711 00:55:37.480 --> 00:55:40.320 and on like that, I kind of know, I think about it. 712 00:55:40.440 --> 00:55:45.280 I kind of answered myself. So that one time we were we were coming 713 00:55:45.280 --> 00:55:49.079 back from Los Angeles out in the middle of nowhere, going through the Vandenberg 714 00:55:49.559 --> 00:55:52.559 you know, the space there on the ocean, along the ocean, and 715 00:55:53.320 --> 00:56:00.760 there was a homeless guy and he had probably five to ten armed machine gun 716 00:56:00.840 --> 00:56:06.719 toting Vandenburg people surrounding him. Because I've gone past, you know, there's 717 00:56:06.719 --> 00:56:10.079 a fence and you know there would be warnings here and there. But obviously 718 00:56:10.159 --> 00:56:15.599 they've got they've got the technology to find one homeless guy, you know, 719 00:56:15.079 --> 00:56:20.960 walking beyond where he was supposed to walk. So yeah, and when we 720 00:56:21.039 --> 00:56:25.159 talk about this, I'm sorry, go ahead, go ahead. Oh no, 721 00:56:25.239 --> 00:56:28.519 that's so, I guess I answered my own question. I guess it's 722 00:56:28.519 --> 00:56:30.880 probably pretty easy for them to find somebody out in there in the middle of 723 00:56:30.880 --> 00:56:36.119 the ocean where they're not supposed to be. Yeah, absolutely, and I 724 00:56:36.119 --> 00:56:42.519 don't even know it. Maybe Navy, but there's lots of high end especially 725 00:56:42.519 --> 00:56:45.239 in this country, there's a lot of high end security companies out there that 726 00:56:45.280 --> 00:56:50.760 they could use that they would have I'm sure they could have their employee their 727 00:56:50.760 --> 00:56:57.039 employees sign and you know, not disclosure agreements and and listen, we all 728 00:56:57.039 --> 00:57:00.039 know that if you pay somebody enough money, they'll shut up, they'll look 729 00:57:00.079 --> 00:57:05.960 the other way, they won't say a thing. Money is that there's unfortunately, 730 00:57:05.960 --> 00:57:08.159 there's not a lot of people out there that have the conviction, uh 731 00:57:08.199 --> 00:57:14.079 to turn down that much money just for simply turning your head the other way. 732 00:57:15.440 --> 00:57:17.639 Yeah, or that are being put in a compromising position and they don't 733 00:57:17.639 --> 00:57:24.920 want that like our politicians. Yes, I mean even yeah. But but 734 00:57:25.800 --> 00:57:30.960 so let's take the let's take the Challenger explosion and and the you know, 735 00:57:31.039 --> 00:57:37.559 the great twin debate. Yea, with all these us twins, I mean 736 00:57:37.760 --> 00:57:43.920 to me, there's one or two that are a little bit like I'm not 737 00:57:43.960 --> 00:57:45.599 seeing it, But there are a couple that are like, there's just there's 738 00:57:45.639 --> 00:57:52.480 no question that's the same person. But somehow, well not somehow they just 739 00:57:52.559 --> 00:57:54.639 keep your mouth shut their paid off. I don't know, but how is 740 00:57:54.679 --> 00:58:00.519 it that somebody is not like in that person's face with the with a microphone 741 00:58:00.519 --> 00:58:04.639 and a camera asking them, Hey, you look strikingly familiar to this guy 742 00:58:04.679 --> 00:58:09.320 that well up on the space should Yeah, the one, the one guy. 743 00:58:09.440 --> 00:58:15.519 I don't remember which one it was, but even like his right eye 744 00:58:15.639 --> 00:58:20.119 was kind of pulled. I don't even know how you explained that his eyes 745 00:58:20.199 --> 00:58:25.039 kind of Yeah, it's like the same guy today who apparently had his own 746 00:58:25.079 --> 00:58:31.239 company with a cow on like his company logo was a cow like on a 747 00:58:31.360 --> 00:58:40.000 rocket or something. Yeah, yeah, you can't. I don't get it. 748 00:58:40.000 --> 00:58:45.239 It's just so that that that you would think in that instance, Okay, 749 00:58:45.440 --> 00:58:50.280 we're paying you a few million dollars, just go and be anonymous, 750 00:58:50.599 --> 00:58:52.039 you know what I'm saying, Like if you pay me, if you said, 751 00:58:52.079 --> 00:58:57.239 Mark, here's ten million, go be anonymous, you would never hear 752 00:58:57.280 --> 00:58:59.880 from me again. Like that would be it? Like I could, I 753 00:59:00.039 --> 00:59:02.000 would, You would never know who I would. But to go out and 754 00:59:02.079 --> 00:59:07.079 to start a business and be out on the web, and I mean you 755 00:59:07.119 --> 00:59:12.440 have to kind of work hard these days to not be on a Google search, 756 00:59:14.719 --> 00:59:16.639 yeah for sure, but to have your face, yeah, but to 757 00:59:16.679 --> 00:59:22.840 have your face out there, you know, running a company, and I 758 00:59:22.840 --> 00:59:24.280 don't know. That one, to me is kind of bizarre. I'm not 759 00:59:24.360 --> 00:59:28.199 quite sure if it's a mocking thing, like they know that we know, 760 00:59:28.320 --> 00:59:31.440 but they don't care. But that one, to me is just about as 761 00:59:31.440 --> 00:59:36.000 obvious as you can get. Of course, I was. I was in 762 00:59:36.360 --> 00:59:39.280 eighth grade when that happened, I think eighty six, and that was a 763 00:59:39.280 --> 00:59:43.320 big deal, you know. The I was at a Catholic school and the 764 00:59:43.639 --> 00:59:49.239 teacher was a nun and she came in crying and told us, and we 765 00:59:49.360 --> 00:59:52.920 ended up going home for the day. And I watched that thing on Luke. 766 00:59:54.519 --> 00:59:58.400 I mean, I remember what I was eating the whole time, you 767 00:59:58.400 --> 01:00:00.679 know, that had that much of an impact. But I was watching that 768 01:00:00.719 --> 01:00:05.480 explosion on a loop for like everybody else, I'm sure, for hours, 769 01:00:05.800 --> 01:00:09.800 So that one was ingrained, ingrained in my head, kind of like the 770 01:00:09.880 --> 01:00:13.519 nine to eleven thing, you know. Yeah, one hundred percent that that 771 01:00:13.599 --> 01:00:19.480 fear based mind control. And that's one reason it will. People are quick 772 01:00:19.519 --> 01:00:22.559 because they saw it on TV with their own eyes. And Nixon said people 773 01:00:22.559 --> 01:00:25.280 won't believe anything until they see it on the television or hear it on the 774 01:00:25.320 --> 01:00:30.639 television. And that is really one of the most powerful tools that the enemy 775 01:00:30.719 --> 01:00:34.880 has is the television. And one of the weird connections I always thought of 776 01:00:35.159 --> 01:00:38.719 is well, number one these people if you look going all the way back 777 01:00:38.719 --> 01:00:43.719 to Apollo eleven, of course there's your numbers. But these people are Freemasons, 778 01:00:43.800 --> 01:00:49.039 so they are already compromised. Well before they're even the face of something 779 01:00:49.119 --> 01:00:53.079 like this, they've already been compromised. They know not only will they face 780 01:00:55.599 --> 01:01:00.599 difficult times, but their family members will too. But the one thing that 781 01:01:00.679 --> 01:01:06.920 always found interesting was, of course Kristy mccauloff. If I remember the story 782 01:01:06.960 --> 01:01:10.159 correctly, she'd only been a school teacher for two years, right, so 783 01:01:12.079 --> 01:01:15.000 this she appears out of nowhere. She's a school teacher by the time she's 784 01:01:15.039 --> 01:01:19.960 selected, it's just two years, so a very new teacher. And then 785 01:01:20.000 --> 01:01:24.199 of course she has a twin by the name of Sharon mcculloff, who was 786 01:01:24.280 --> 01:01:30.079 from Sarah Hughes. But she is also a cousin of Terry mccauloff, who 787 01:01:30.320 --> 01:01:35.679 is I think the current governor. I think he's still the governor of Virginia. 788 01:01:35.719 --> 01:01:39.840 And all these connections go on, and then the Gabby Gifford's the politician 789 01:01:39.840 --> 01:01:46.199 who got shot in Arizona. Her husband is an astronaut and has a twin. 790 01:01:46.679 --> 01:01:52.880 So these things, if you gave the script to a Hollywood director, 791 01:01:52.920 --> 01:01:55.239 they would throw it out the window because it's just too far fetched. But 792 01:01:57.599 --> 01:02:00.800 coincidence or reality, I mean, who knows. But it's just well, 793 01:02:01.079 --> 01:02:10.320 it's suous, doesn't stuous relationships between you know, tech and politians and you 794 01:02:10.320 --> 01:02:15.880 know, actors and actresses. And I mean it's just like RFK, you 795 01:02:15.920 --> 01:02:17.599 know, he's and then I like him well enough, he seems like a 796 01:02:17.679 --> 01:02:25.119 decent person, but uh, you know he's married to Cheryl Hines, who's 797 01:02:25.280 --> 01:02:30.199 in you know, on TV. It's just it's interesting to me, the 798 01:02:30.280 --> 01:02:37.440 circles. They nobody ever, none of these people ever marry. It just 799 01:02:37.440 --> 01:02:43.199 an ordinary christ No, like he a bank teller or somebody who works at 800 01:02:43.199 --> 01:02:45.880 a restaurant. It's but they're always within the same within the same circles. 801 01:02:46.480 --> 01:02:52.599 And and and maybe that's just because they all go to the same you know, 802 01:02:52.639 --> 01:02:58.559 cocktail parties. I don't know, but it's it's not it's not an 803 01:02:58.599 --> 01:03:04.239 accident that judges are married to major prosecutors or to you know, you know, 804 01:03:04.719 --> 01:03:08.760 CEOs of major corporations or it's just that prior to the Internet, really 805 01:03:08.760 --> 01:03:14.239 it was difficult to dig in that much and find out how deep these relationships 806 01:03:14.280 --> 01:03:21.599 go. Yeah, and so many things with RFK, you know, the 807 01:03:21.599 --> 01:03:24.920 way his wife died in twenty twelve and his current wife is an actor on 808 01:03:24.960 --> 01:03:30.360 the world stage. Just and like you said, I always say, you 809 01:03:30.360 --> 01:03:32.760 know, if we're such a free country where we tell our children, if 810 01:03:32.760 --> 01:03:37.039 you work hard enough and you do the right things and get good grades, 811 01:03:37.079 --> 01:03:39.800 you could be president. Anybody could be president. But that's not the case. 812 01:03:39.840 --> 01:03:44.000 It's the people from the same family running for president over and over again, 813 01:03:44.039 --> 01:03:49.400 the people on the world stage. There is zero chance me or you 814 01:03:49.800 --> 01:03:53.079 or anybody listening right now. I'm just giving you the art truth. We 815 01:03:53.079 --> 01:04:00.000 don't have a chance to be president. It's just impossible. Do you feel 816 01:04:00.000 --> 01:04:05.840 although that you know, I just probably had nothing new with flatter necessarily, 817 01:04:05.880 --> 01:04:11.760 But do you feel like because I believe the word of God one hundred percent, 818 01:04:12.920 --> 01:04:15.519 and and when I look at when I look at prophecy and revelation, 819 01:04:15.719 --> 01:04:20.960 of course, you know we're on a we're on a collision course with the 820 01:04:20.960 --> 01:04:27.440 future with our faith according to scriptures. And I just and there people. 821 01:04:27.480 --> 01:04:30.039 There are people who will say, you know, we can, we can. 822 01:04:30.360 --> 01:04:31.800 I don't want to, I don't want to say words in their mouth, 823 01:04:31.840 --> 01:04:35.920 but somehow we can, you know, stave it off. But I 824 01:04:35.960 --> 01:04:45.039 feel like the our present situation and how it's exponentially worse, I mean, 825 01:04:45.079 --> 01:04:49.559 almost daily to say that somehow we're gonna, you know, we're going to 826 01:04:49.599 --> 01:04:54.679 somehow ease off on this craziness. I'm just not seeing it. I don't 827 01:04:54.679 --> 01:04:59.079 I don't see I don't see one person coming along and and and saying like, 828 01:04:59.199 --> 01:05:01.719 oh I and I can fix it all and we're all going to get 829 01:05:01.719 --> 01:05:04.719 along. Like that's just not going to happen. I'm just wondering. You 830 01:05:04.719 --> 01:05:08.679 know. Of course, when you're raising I'm raising a child, you don't 831 01:05:08.719 --> 01:05:11.559 want it to be that way, you know. I think people are hoping, 832 01:05:11.679 --> 01:05:14.119 you know, it's more hope, hope that things are going to work 833 01:05:14.119 --> 01:05:17.960 out. But I see us on a collision course and it's going to happen. 834 01:05:19.079 --> 01:05:23.559 And I suppose the more people we wake up to the reality of our 835 01:05:23.599 --> 01:05:26.920 world, the better, because obviously a lot of people have come to Christ 836 01:05:27.079 --> 01:05:31.199 through this ministry that you have, for example, But to think that somehow 837 01:05:31.199 --> 01:05:36.599 we're gonna push it off a year or two or twenty years or whatever. 838 01:05:36.719 --> 01:05:43.400 I just don't see that possible. Yeah. So the thing is man is 839 01:05:43.400 --> 01:05:48.440 inherently flawed and anytime man's in power, he has has can very easily be 840 01:05:48.519 --> 01:05:51.679 manipulated. So you know, on one part of me, you know, 841 01:05:51.719 --> 01:05:55.760 the Bible is very specific that nobody knows the day or the time when the 842 01:05:55.840 --> 01:06:00.159 end is going to come. So we may think these are in time, 843 01:06:00.239 --> 01:06:04.119 and it could be next week, it could be a after our lifetime. 844 01:06:04.599 --> 01:06:09.760 And I think what you said, No, there's not one single person on 845 01:06:09.800 --> 01:06:13.840 the world stage who's going to save us, not Trump, not not RFK 846 01:06:14.039 --> 01:06:20.400 Junior, not not anybody. But right, if we can possibly wake up 847 01:06:20.519 --> 01:06:30.400 enough people and you know, change things ourselves, basically turn we would have 848 01:06:30.480 --> 01:06:35.079 to turn our back on DC. It starts at the community level and say 849 01:06:35.159 --> 01:06:39.480 I'm just not going, you know, civil disobedience for for lack of a 850 01:06:39.519 --> 01:06:45.880 better word, it would take mass civil disobedience, and that means peaceful to 851 01:06:45.239 --> 01:06:50.199 do your own things, stay community based, and just ignore. If we 852 01:06:50.360 --> 01:06:59.880 all ignored the federal government and everything they decree, and you know, there's 853 01:07:00.079 --> 01:07:03.880 so many things. That's the thing when you will let something fester so long. 854 01:07:04.679 --> 01:07:08.360 You know, each passing day makes it harder and harder, right, 855 01:07:09.159 --> 01:07:13.519 and that's why we you know, I'm not here to blame other generations, 856 01:07:14.039 --> 01:07:18.519 but the fact of the matter is we've never held anyone at the top of 857 01:07:18.559 --> 01:07:25.960 the government accountable for anything whatsoever. And now that the federal government has grown 858 01:07:25.960 --> 01:07:30.679 into this giant octopus with so many tentacles, I mean, how do you 859 01:07:30.800 --> 01:07:34.760 know, end the FED and deal with that thirty three trillion dollars in debt 860 01:07:35.079 --> 01:07:40.199 and all these three letter agencies that well, now you've got how many hundreds 861 01:07:40.239 --> 01:07:44.800 of thousands of government employees. What would that do to our country? Because 862 01:07:44.840 --> 01:07:49.920 the federal government is the largest employer in the country. So there's people are 863 01:07:50.000 --> 01:07:53.480 loyal to their paychecks. They're not wanting to give up. You know, 864 01:07:53.519 --> 01:07:58.599 they hate the government, but they they dislike the government, but they like 865 01:07:59.320 --> 01:08:04.519 the checks. And it is just a sortid mess. Right, What do 866 01:08:04.599 --> 01:08:08.840 we do that? That is the million dollar question? Then I guess it 867 01:08:08.880 --> 01:08:14.079 comes full circle your belief in God, understanding that man does not control you, 868 01:08:14.480 --> 01:08:16.680 that the earth was given to us God by God. God didn't sign 869 01:08:16.720 --> 01:08:20.960 it over to Joe Biden and Biden signed it down to the States, and 870 01:08:21.000 --> 01:08:25.520 the States signed it down to to us. No, he gave it directly 871 01:08:25.560 --> 01:08:30.199 to us. We have allowed, uh, these corrupted people to claim it 872 01:08:30.279 --> 01:08:38.720 for themselves and they've spoiled themselves with the riches at our serfdom. Yeah. 873 01:08:38.800 --> 01:08:45.960 And having worked for small government, you know, local government, and right 874 01:08:45.960 --> 01:08:51.159 back to COVID, you know, I would sit in management meetings and what 875 01:08:51.199 --> 01:08:55.880 they were telling sort of the rank and file was different than what we would 876 01:08:55.920 --> 01:08:59.119 discuss and management meetings, like, you know, the rank and file we're 877 01:08:59.159 --> 01:09:01.720 being told over I'm not gonna we're not gonna mandate, but in the meetings 878 01:09:01.720 --> 01:09:08.039 that we're having, they're saying the opposite, like it's it's coming, it's 879 01:09:08.079 --> 01:09:13.520 coming. And and when you recognize that, you know, we were small 880 01:09:13.520 --> 01:09:17.439 potatoes, that was small local government. They and there was corruption there, 881 01:09:17.840 --> 01:09:24.319 no doubt. And you it's you know, when you metastasize into a large 882 01:09:24.479 --> 01:09:30.279 giant, either large city or large you know, federal government entities, there's 883 01:09:30.319 --> 01:09:36.720 just so much corruption you can't you can't get away from it. And and 884 01:09:36.760 --> 01:09:40.680 all you can do is like what we did. I mean, I guess 885 01:09:40.720 --> 01:09:44.079 the argument could be made that we ran away I mean I've heard that from 886 01:09:44.119 --> 01:09:46.840 people, not not about us specifically, but I mean, I guess the 887 01:09:46.920 --> 01:09:50.079 argument could be that, you know, we didn't stand up. We left. 888 01:09:51.279 --> 01:09:54.960 But I heard somebody say this before, and I agree one hundred percent 889 01:09:55.039 --> 01:09:58.560 why we didn't leave Washington. Washington left us. You know, we we 890 01:09:58.760 --> 01:10:01.359 arrived there in a wait and it's like it it walked away from us. 891 01:10:01.399 --> 01:10:04.920 The place that we moved into walked away, and something else was put in 892 01:10:04.920 --> 01:10:12.199 its place. So we had to find another place because it wasn't going to 893 01:10:12.279 --> 01:10:18.920 get any better. Yeah, and so yeah, and you know, even 894 01:10:18.960 --> 01:10:23.479 at some point when things were really bad, we had you know, looked 895 01:10:23.479 --> 01:10:29.079 at Ecuador. There's there's a pretty large American expat uh population there, and 896 01:10:29.159 --> 01:10:32.239 the dollar goes a long way, and we kind of get to the same 897 01:10:32.279 --> 01:10:36.039 conclusion. You know, we see this as a global event and there's not 898 01:10:36.119 --> 01:10:40.600 really too many places where you can kind of take off too. So we 899 01:10:40.600 --> 01:10:45.399 made the decision to dig our heels in here. But where we are as 900 01:10:45.439 --> 01:10:47.840 not bad as in many of the other places like say of Portland or Seattle 901 01:10:47.960 --> 01:10:54.279 or uh say a Minneapolis, you know, places like that, but everybody 902 01:10:54.279 --> 01:10:59.560 has to do. Yeah, I'm in Kent, which is we only have 903 01:10:59.640 --> 01:11:02.359 three counties. I'm in the middle one way out west with the Amish folks, 904 01:11:02.359 --> 01:11:08.039 so we're we're out in the in the country. Awesome, awesome, 905 01:11:09.680 --> 01:11:13.000 just and you you, because I was going to say this before, I 906 01:11:13.000 --> 01:11:15.720 mean before before we parted, I wanted to say, I mean, I 907 01:11:15.279 --> 01:11:19.000 really appreciate that you're able to do this. I mean, there have been 908 01:11:19.319 --> 01:11:24.520 other flat Earth type podcasts out there that I've that I've listened to, even 909 01:11:24.600 --> 01:11:28.840 Dave you know how to a good one. But but you know, it's 910 01:11:28.920 --> 01:11:32.039 it's difficult, I'm sure to have a podcast and keep it rolling and keep 911 01:11:32.039 --> 01:11:38.000 the topic alive and fresh and all that, and somehow you've managed to to 912 01:11:38.159 --> 01:11:40.560 do. It's actually blown me away. I can't believe how many you can 913 01:11:40.600 --> 01:11:45.239 do this. You're like the Stephen King of flat Earth podcast from out uh. 914 01:11:45.720 --> 01:11:47.920 But you pulled it off somehow, and I think it's it's awesome. 915 01:11:48.680 --> 01:11:51.319 I just hope you could keep it, keep it up, because I think 916 01:11:51.319 --> 01:11:55.600 it's a you know, it's a ministry in itself. I'm sure you view 917 01:11:55.640 --> 01:11:59.039 it that way too. One percent. It's a it's a mission, it's 918 01:11:59.079 --> 01:12:02.840 it's a labor of of and it's this isn't my podcast, this is our 919 01:12:02.880 --> 01:12:06.159 podcast. The first ten episodes were kind of scripted in a way that I 920 01:12:06.199 --> 01:12:11.279 wanted it to do. I understood completely that when I first started this podcast 921 01:12:11.359 --> 01:12:14.840 that it's a niche podcast. With the fact on her I can talk about 922 01:12:14.920 --> 01:12:16.840 nine to eleven one week, I can talk about JFK the next week. 923 01:12:16.880 --> 01:12:20.079 There's never a lack of things to talk about. But when you're in a 924 01:12:20.520 --> 01:12:26.640 niche podcast, you have to continue to stay fresh and keep people interested. 925 01:12:26.760 --> 01:12:30.000 And then when people started reaching out saying that they'd like to share their thoughts 926 01:12:30.960 --> 01:12:32.960 and I saw how it was impacting people, I said, this is how 927 01:12:32.960 --> 01:12:36.079 we're going to do it. And I think it's worked out really well, 928 01:12:36.119 --> 01:12:40.199 and it's made me a better person, and you know, people challenge me 929 01:12:40.279 --> 01:12:43.880 with questions and I try to be humble about it and realized that I'm not 930 01:12:43.880 --> 01:12:47.239 going to be right about everything, and it's a learning experience and it's it's 931 01:12:47.279 --> 01:12:53.159 been very rewarding. The emails have been very humbling, and I've had a 932 01:12:53.239 --> 01:12:59.600 lot less trolls than I expected, so it's really been a blessing. Have 933 01:12:59.720 --> 01:13:05.199 you been able to remain I mean somewhat anonymous or or people like, Oh 934 01:13:05.279 --> 01:13:11.119 no, I'm not I'm not anonymous at all. It's it's interesting. There's 935 01:13:11.159 --> 01:13:14.039 sometimes people drive by and stop and then keep going. I don't know if 936 01:13:14.039 --> 01:13:18.239 it's the NSA or a listener to the podcast. So I heard if you 937 01:13:18.319 --> 01:13:24.560 cover your roof with foil, there you go. Lead paint, you know, 938 01:13:24.680 --> 01:13:28.279 lead paint. That's that's the other conspiracy theory. They said lead paint 939 01:13:28.359 --> 01:13:31.079 was bad for for the kids because for some you know, everybody eats paint. 940 01:13:32.319 --> 01:13:35.960 But but the truth is lead paint will actually keep people from being able 941 01:13:35.960 --> 01:13:40.720 to spy on you. Really, I gotta, I gotta load up on 942 01:13:40.760 --> 01:13:45.039 that. Yeah, there's Actually when I worked for a city in near Seattle, 943 01:13:45.119 --> 01:13:50.000 there was a house that we got to respond to. Actually we ended 944 01:13:50.039 --> 01:13:55.880 up calling like a oilfare check because the person had covered up all their events. 945 01:13:56.159 --> 01:14:00.239 Oh wow, Yeah, that's not that's not a good thing. I 946 01:14:00.239 --> 01:14:01.439 don't know. I don't know anyhow, it's come come to find out, 947 01:14:01.479 --> 01:14:06.880 he was an older person, big spile. So yeah, Hey, have 948 01:14:06.960 --> 01:14:15.760 you ever heard of the YouTube channel called Vibes of Cosmos. Vibes of Cosmos, 949 01:14:15.880 --> 01:14:20.479 let me see if I am it sounds familiar, but let's see Vibes 950 01:14:20.479 --> 01:14:26.319 of Cosmos. I am subscribed. Yeah, it's they got almost eighty thousand 951 01:14:26.359 --> 01:14:32.479 subscribers and Babuska of Cosmos that's their newest one. So I this guy kind 952 01:14:32.520 --> 01:14:35.399 of valided as the way I felt when I was a kid, and he 953 01:14:35.720 --> 01:14:42.279 invests a lot of time in this idea of the moon as like a plasma 954 01:14:42.319 --> 01:14:46.279 and somehow the creators or what we view as it creators are almost like a 955 01:14:47.039 --> 01:14:54.239 like a snapshot of the old of the old Earth as above so below thing 956 01:14:54.319 --> 01:14:57.680 or whatever. But I just it's really interesting and he's put a lot of 957 01:14:57.680 --> 01:15:02.000 time and effort into it. Find it, find it really interesting. Yeah, 958 01:15:02.039 --> 01:15:06.239 it looks like his second most popular video was the world Map presentation. 959 01:15:06.279 --> 01:15:10.880 That's probably the one I need to check out. How I get I'm assuming 960 01:15:10.920 --> 01:15:15.119 that's kind of the reflection of the world Map on the Moon. Yeah, 961 01:15:15.239 --> 01:15:23.800 yeah, it's just it's he definitely puts puts time in so kind of I'll 962 01:15:23.880 --> 01:15:26.840 just check in here and there, but I definitely sat and watched quite a 963 01:15:26.880 --> 01:15:30.439 few of them. Yeah, he's got a lot of views. Yeah, 964 01:15:30.560 --> 01:15:39.119 yeah, Yeah, I've I've just really had a great time listening to your 965 01:15:39.279 --> 01:15:43.760 podcast. I just hope it just keeps steam rolling ahead and you get more 966 01:15:43.760 --> 01:15:47.439 people. I mean, in a million years, I never would have thought 967 01:15:47.439 --> 01:15:53.399 I would reach out and want to speak, you know, to potentially you 968 01:15:53.439 --> 01:15:56.960 know, thousands of people. But it was more just an opportunity, I 969 01:15:56.960 --> 01:16:02.079 film, an opportunity to talk to somebody outside of my wife, you know, 970 01:16:02.119 --> 01:16:06.720 about some of these topics. And uh so I just appreciate it. 971 01:16:06.840 --> 01:16:11.800 I hope, I hope you keep keep at it. Yeah, that's certainly 972 01:16:11.800 --> 01:16:15.600 the plan. And I will tell you that that the one kind of common 973 01:16:15.680 --> 01:16:19.000 denominator is that while we all have our friends and family, et cetera, 974 01:16:19.239 --> 01:16:21.760 I think a lot of us feel like we don't have someone to talk to 975 01:16:21.840 --> 01:16:25.680 about the things we're passionate about, like, let's say, flat Earth, 976 01:16:25.800 --> 01:16:29.079 right. I can't many of my family members. I can't sit down and 977 01:16:29.640 --> 01:16:34.199 break down the firmament with people are Antarctica that you just get the what do 978 01:16:34.239 --> 01:16:36.760 we call the deer stare, You know, when when a deer's in the 979 01:16:36.800 --> 01:16:40.479 middle of the road and the car light hits them, they just kind of 980 01:16:40.560 --> 01:16:45.000 the thousand miles stare. So it's kind of hard to have a conversation with 981 01:16:45.079 --> 01:16:48.000 things you're passionate about. So when two people get together that are like minded, 982 01:16:48.399 --> 01:16:50.520 and you could look. I mean, we've been going for seventy five 983 01:16:50.520 --> 01:16:56.039 minutes now and it seems like ten. So I've had a great conversation with 984 01:16:56.279 --> 01:16:59.800 every single person who's come on. I've learned, I've taken away something from 985 01:16:59.800 --> 01:17:03.800 every individual, and I'm sure the audience has as well. Yeah, I 986 01:17:03.840 --> 01:17:06.600 would agree. I think everybody that I listened to there, you know, 987 01:17:06.640 --> 01:17:12.000 they're coming with their own their own views, and you know, there's just 988 01:17:12.079 --> 01:17:15.840 normal, normal people kind of just sharing where where they're at. And I've 989 01:17:15.199 --> 01:17:18.239 learned a lot, learned a lot from quite a few of the people have 990 01:17:18.279 --> 01:17:25.079 come on onto your show. So yeah, it's it's it's been. It's 991 01:17:25.119 --> 01:17:28.960 been really great, and I really appreciate the time and effort to put into 992 01:17:29.000 --> 01:17:32.880 it. Well, I appreciate having you, and I'm I'm thankful to hear 993 01:17:32.960 --> 01:17:38.479 your story and I admire your courage of doing what you had to do to 994 01:17:38.479 --> 01:17:42.159 take care of your family. And that's exactly in a lack that that is 995 01:17:42.159 --> 01:17:44.199 the perfect way to say it is you had to do what you had to 996 01:17:44.199 --> 01:17:48.079 do to take care of your family, your home school. I've really come 997 01:17:48.159 --> 01:17:55.239 to realize in the last very recently. You know, when you ponder these 998 01:17:55.239 --> 01:17:59.119 things, is you know, with public school. And again I listen, 999 01:17:59.159 --> 01:18:01.680 guys, I'm not judging anybody. Everybody has their own path. But you 1000 01:18:01.720 --> 01:18:05.800 know, I thought why because many of my other kids went to public school, 1001 01:18:06.600 --> 01:18:10.760 and just as a whole, right, as a country, we send 1002 01:18:10.800 --> 01:18:15.960 our children off to have their minds molded by perfect strangers. And that's not 1003 01:18:15.000 --> 01:18:19.439 to say there's so many tremendous teachers in the education community, right, there 1004 01:18:19.439 --> 01:18:23.520 are plenty of them. But do they have the same moral compass? Do 1005 01:18:23.640 --> 01:18:28.199 they have the same you know, the family values and these type of things. 1006 01:18:28.199 --> 01:18:31.000 And these children are going to school for if you count kindergarten thirteen years, 1007 01:18:31.399 --> 01:18:35.399 eight hours a day with complete strangers. Now you can't that there's something 1008 01:18:35.439 --> 01:18:43.439 to say about, you know, with friendship and the hat growing up with 1009 01:18:43.479 --> 01:18:47.439 other children, right, But this is just something I've really thought about a 1010 01:18:47.439 --> 01:18:51.319 lot recently, as we as a country we send our children off to complete 1011 01:18:51.319 --> 01:18:55.880 strangers to have their minds molded. To some people that sounds like a stretch, 1012 01:18:56.000 --> 01:18:59.600 ridiculous, but to me, that's how I've come in my golden years. 1013 01:18:59.680 --> 01:19:02.560 That's how I think of school, especially now that we know how how 1014 01:19:02.600 --> 01:19:06.640 it's been hijacked, and there's a rhyme and a reason for everything, how 1015 01:19:06.640 --> 01:19:11.920 critical thinking has been eliminated, and it's you know, just the indoctrination memorize 1016 01:19:11.960 --> 01:19:16.319 and regurgitate. Yeah. Yeah, And you know, our homeschool adventures started 1017 01:19:16.359 --> 01:19:20.479 because of COVID because we were sending our daughter to a really good private school 1018 01:19:21.439 --> 01:19:25.760 and they, you know, she had to go to the zoom classes. 1019 01:19:26.319 --> 01:19:30.239 And at some point my wife was already expressing interest in doing homeschooling. And 1020 01:19:30.239 --> 01:19:33.880 I said, why are we paying this much money per month for zoom classes? 1021 01:19:34.279 --> 01:19:38.960 I mean, and the way I looked at it was, Okay, 1022 01:19:38.960 --> 01:19:41.800 this is now. Even if they brought her back three months from now, 1023 01:19:42.399 --> 01:19:45.439 you know, the first child to sneeze, they're going to close the school 1024 01:19:45.439 --> 01:19:48.720 down again, and we're right back to paying a lot of money for zoom 1025 01:19:48.720 --> 01:19:55.840 classes. And I and that really started us on homeschooling. My wife had 1026 01:19:55.840 --> 01:19:59.720 already done some research on it, and she's she's awesome, She's taken to 1027 01:19:59.720 --> 01:20:02.640 it. That's they're they're out of a home school co op today. My 1028 01:20:02.680 --> 01:20:06.560 wife's taken up gardening. When we first moved up here, we built some 1029 01:20:06.800 --> 01:20:11.680 raised beds, and she's it's unbelievable. We we've got to give stuff away. 1030 01:20:11.680 --> 01:20:15.760 We have to so much. So, you know, we we came 1031 01:20:15.760 --> 01:20:18.520 out of a bad situation for sure, but you know, we came out 1032 01:20:18.560 --> 01:20:23.439 here, and you know, thank god, the home prizes when we left 1033 01:20:23.720 --> 01:20:27.680 the Seattle area were insane, and so we were able to buy a house 1034 01:20:27.720 --> 01:20:31.640 for cash out here, twice the size we've had in Seattle, and so 1035 01:20:31.680 --> 01:20:39.960 that put us on a financially, you know, arguably better footing minus minus 1036 01:20:40.039 --> 01:20:43.880 the pension. In the future, you know, I'll get a little bit, 1037 01:20:43.920 --> 01:20:46.399 but you know, it won't be what I was expecting. But I 1038 01:20:46.680 --> 01:20:49.439 still have time to figure that out. But but I think all in all, 1039 01:20:50.439 --> 01:20:55.600 considering what we came from and where we are now, even though there's 1040 01:20:55.640 --> 01:20:59.079 been some you know, obviously there are going to be some ups and downs, 1041 01:20:59.119 --> 01:21:02.800 but overall it was there's just no question, no question that it was 1042 01:21:02.840 --> 01:21:06.479 the right decision. I don't think either of us feel any other way. 1043 01:21:08.359 --> 01:21:12.800 It's just now we gotta kind of settle into the because it is a new 1044 01:21:12.840 --> 01:21:16.800 environment. For sure, A little culture is a little different out here, 1045 01:21:16.800 --> 01:21:19.520 but in a good way. But you gotta kind of get used used to 1046 01:21:19.560 --> 01:21:25.800 being people being so nice that blew my mom away the first time she came 1047 01:21:25.840 --> 01:21:29.479 to Texas to visit us and everybody used mym And she's like, because up 1048 01:21:29.479 --> 01:21:33.479 here people are quite different. In Delaware, specifically more up by the city 1049 01:21:34.439 --> 01:21:40.479 up north, in the Wilmington area, And to go down there, everybody, 1050 01:21:40.600 --> 01:21:43.199 you know, yes, ma'am, yes, sir uh. You know, 1051 01:21:43.279 --> 01:21:45.359 even children hold the door open for you when you're walking into a building. 1052 01:21:46.439 --> 01:21:50.399 It is that there are still places in the country like that. Not 1053 01:21:50.560 --> 01:21:55.560 everybody is entitled. And the news and the social media will we'll put a 1054 01:21:55.560 --> 01:21:59.359 magnifying glass on the people like that. But the fact is there's still plenty 1055 01:21:59.399 --> 01:22:03.000 of really good people in the country. Yes, And but like like we 1056 01:22:03.000 --> 01:22:12.600 were saying before, you know, just bring up like the if people do 1057 01:22:12.760 --> 01:22:16.079 get together and they fight the government, let's just say, or when parents 1058 01:22:16.159 --> 01:22:20.520 get together and they fight the school wars. That's probably a really good example, 1059 01:22:20.720 --> 01:22:23.760 you know. And they're doing a very positive thing. They're saying, 1060 01:22:23.800 --> 01:22:27.520 Okay, we don't want this curriculum talk to our kids, and they have 1061 01:22:27.600 --> 01:22:32.520 every right to do that. You know. What happens is the media rushes 1062 01:22:32.560 --> 01:22:38.079 at them and paints them as extremists. And what it does is it again 1063 01:22:38.159 --> 01:22:43.880 to that fear. It makes people fearful of being outed or docks or whatever 1064 01:22:44.159 --> 01:22:46.000 the case may be, because they wanted to stand up for their child. 1065 01:22:46.720 --> 01:22:50.880 And I think that's because you had brought up the fear and I I and 1066 01:22:50.920 --> 01:22:59.000 I do think that that's a weapon, particularly in those cases where they want 1067 01:22:59.560 --> 01:23:03.439 to show people up. They want to make it parents afraid to go to 1068 01:23:03.520 --> 01:23:09.159 school board meetings or afraid to go to the local, you know, town 1069 01:23:09.199 --> 01:23:13.319 council meetings and say that, hey, we don't want this in our town 1070 01:23:13.560 --> 01:23:17.039 or whatever the case is, because now they're going to be painted as extremists 1071 01:23:17.159 --> 01:23:24.159 or whatever. And I think that that's it's going to take a lot of 1072 01:23:24.199 --> 01:23:26.960 really strong people who almost like they just don't care, if they don't care 1073 01:23:26.960 --> 01:23:31.640 if they're threatened, and people are out there like that, I would think, 1074 01:23:31.680 --> 01:23:36.359 I'm like that, I don't mind if I'm threatened. But but of 1075 01:23:36.399 --> 01:23:39.920 course, you know, if it's my family's threatened, that's another thing. 1076 01:23:41.159 --> 01:23:44.560 And I don't put anything past the power of that be of course, But 1077 01:23:45.199 --> 01:23:48.760 yeah, I mean, I do think people still have a lot of power, 1078 01:23:49.039 --> 01:23:54.199 like you said, to ignore go about their life think, be with 1079 01:23:54.279 --> 01:24:00.640 like minded people and fight. Be be picky about what you fight for, 1080 01:24:00.840 --> 01:24:02.640 you know, pick the right battles, and be smart about it when you 1081 01:24:02.680 --> 01:24:09.640 do it. And that's kind of all you can do, really approach it. 1082 01:24:11.439 --> 01:24:15.399 You know, be educated on the topic before you barge in, and 1083 01:24:15.600 --> 01:24:18.960 and know what you're talking about, and put your best foot forward and just 1084 01:24:20.880 --> 01:24:24.000 you know, try your best, try your best to fight the fight. 1085 01:24:26.039 --> 01:24:30.880 I couldn't agree more. And this has been a great podcast. We've touched 1086 01:24:30.920 --> 01:24:33.680 on a number of different things, and each and every one of them are 1087 01:24:33.760 --> 01:24:38.920 are connected, and they all come back to the flat earth. And many 1088 01:24:38.920 --> 01:24:44.560 of the things we're talking about is control and fear and freedom. And to 1089 01:24:44.720 --> 01:24:48.119 me, you know, and as we start to close here is that, 1090 01:24:48.199 --> 01:24:51.359 you know, when I did realize that we weren't on a ball, that 1091 01:24:51.800 --> 01:24:58.720 God was sitting right above us looking down as we talked about in Isaiah forty, 1092 01:24:59.119 --> 01:25:03.479 it was very freeing. And I didn't you know that the Fox News 1093 01:25:03.640 --> 01:25:08.640 and the News Max and all this other stuff. It didn't It wasn't important 1094 01:25:08.680 --> 01:25:14.159 to me anymore. You know, people will sit all day long and argue 1095 01:25:14.279 --> 01:25:16.640 about which guy is the better guy, and at the end of the day. 1096 01:25:16.880 --> 01:25:21.319 The best guy is is Jesus, and he's going to save is. 1097 01:25:21.600 --> 01:25:26.479 If you're going to put your faith in a man, put it in yourself, 1098 01:25:26.800 --> 01:25:29.920 right, put faith in yourself. Don't look to others to help you. 1099 01:25:29.960 --> 01:25:30.960 But at the end of the day, realize that our time here on 1100 01:25:30.960 --> 01:25:34.640 earth is just not even a drop in a bucket compared to eternity. And 1101 01:25:39.439 --> 01:25:43.199 don't get wrapped up in the noise is really what I like to say. 1102 01:25:43.239 --> 01:25:45.319 Don't don't, don't buy the height, don't get wrapped up in the noise. 1103 01:25:46.680 --> 01:25:49.319 Take care of your family, try to be a better person every day. 1104 01:25:49.600 --> 01:25:54.159 And if you have conviction, like look at your family, mark where 1105 01:25:54.199 --> 01:25:57.439 you are today. You have a great life and things worked out for you. 1106 01:25:57.520 --> 01:26:00.239 And the same happened, you know for my wife and her career. 1107 01:26:00.640 --> 01:26:04.359 She you know, she held her line and she went on to bigger and 1108 01:26:04.399 --> 01:26:10.159 better things because of her conviction. So and listen, not maybe not every 1109 01:26:10.199 --> 01:26:15.079 story it happens that way, but I do think good things happen to good 1110 01:26:15.119 --> 01:26:19.840 people. And if you live by your rules right, and I don't mean 1111 01:26:19.880 --> 01:26:25.159 it in a selfish way, but if you live within your your your moral 1112 01:26:25.199 --> 01:26:29.039 compass, you're going to be okay, because again, the people at the 1113 01:26:29.039 --> 01:26:32.760 top of the food chain, they are I hope people understand by now and 1114 01:26:32.840 --> 01:26:35.720 we're talking, you know, August of twenty twenty three, that they are 1115 01:26:35.760 --> 01:26:41.920 not looking out for your best interests, that's for sure. So it's it's 1116 01:26:41.960 --> 01:26:44.439 been a wonderful podcast, and I can't thank you enough for your time, 1117 01:26:44.439 --> 01:26:46.600 but I do want to give you, uh, you know, the final 1118 01:26:47.039 --> 01:26:50.880 say here in this conversation. Yeah, I just wanted to say it again, 1119 01:26:51.319 --> 01:26:57.279 thank you. I know you're kind enough to say it's it's both of 1120 01:26:57.359 --> 01:27:00.479 us, it's everybody working together to make your podcast. But the bottom line 1121 01:27:00.560 --> 01:27:04.800 is, I'm not spending the time creating a podcast that gets out to a 1122 01:27:04.800 --> 01:27:08.399 bunch of people, and you're you're putting in the footwork. I can't imagine 1123 01:27:08.439 --> 01:27:12.680 that the amount of time and effort and follow ups, and you know, 1124 01:27:12.880 --> 01:27:14.960 the days that don't work out, we don't get to hear any of that. 1125 01:27:15.039 --> 01:27:19.319 You're just kind of doing what you do, and I'm looking forward to 1126 01:27:19.359 --> 01:27:23.159 the next you know, a few weeks of podcasts. You put out so 1127 01:27:23.199 --> 01:27:26.760 many of them it's I feel like I can't catch up. So and I 1128 01:27:26.800 --> 01:27:33.039 would tell anybody out there that you that you sticking up for what is right 1129 01:27:33.600 --> 01:27:40.319 in the in the end is worth it, even if there's some blowback, 1130 01:27:40.680 --> 01:27:44.760 and sometimes it's going to be blowback, and you just have to rest rest 1131 01:27:45.119 --> 01:27:49.560 assured that if you're doing it for the right reason and sticking up for your 1132 01:27:49.600 --> 01:27:58.840 beliefs, that in the end you'll have done done right by God. Amend 1133 01:27:58.880 --> 01:28:01.119 to that, and thank you so much for being willing to come on and 1134 01:28:01.199 --> 01:28:05.000 share your story. And again to everyone who's listening, I know these stories 1135 01:28:05.039 --> 01:28:10.640 resonate with everyone. Trust me, I know I get the email that the 1136 01:28:10.680 --> 01:28:14.079 emails I read on these podcasts are less than one percent of the emails that 1137 01:28:14.119 --> 01:28:15.960 I receive, the personal messages and everything else, they mean a lot to 1138 01:28:16.039 --> 01:28:19.680 people. And thank you Mark for coming on and sharing your story. God 1139 01:28:19.680 --> 01:28:24.600 bless you and your family and your future. And to everyone who supports the 1140 01:28:24.640 --> 01:28:28.560 podcast. You know, try to share it with your family and friends. 1141 01:28:29.760 --> 01:28:33.000 There's going to be some I think, because this will be out Wednesday, 1142 01:28:33.079 --> 01:28:36.199 right, Yeah, I think we have some exciting news coming up in the 1143 01:28:36.279 --> 01:28:40.159 very near future, so stay tuned for that. We're always trying to make 1144 01:28:40.159 --> 01:28:44.279 things better and more user friendly, so stay tuned for that. For Mark 1145 01:28:44.359 --> 01:28:46.560 I'm George, God bless everyone. Keep your head on a swivel until the 1146 01:28:46.560 --> 01:28:49.159 next time we meet. We will see you