1 00:00:01,679 --> 00:00:06,360 Well, coming off a weekend where Claressa Shields look like Claressa Shields once again 2 00:00:06,400 --> 00:00:10,759 with another middleweight title defense and an easy decision win. We are ready to 3 00:00:10,759 --> 00:00:14,279 recap that. We've got tons of news. We've got a special guest who's 4 00:00:14,320 --> 00:00:17,519 going into the Hall of Fame. Not yet a Hall of Famer, but 5 00:00:17,640 --> 00:00:20,440 I'm about to be a Hall of Famer. I will tell you more about 6 00:00:20,440 --> 00:00:22,719 that in a few moments. He's a Hall of Famer in my mind. 7 00:00:22,800 --> 00:00:25,440 I am merely the somewhat capable host T J. Reeves. He is Dan 8 00:00:25,519 --> 00:00:30,000 Raphael. He is our insider from this fight freach to Nite substack in Bigfight 9 00:00:30,000 --> 00:00:35,079 Weekend dot Com. Hopefully you had a good weekend. I'm doing well off 10 00:00:35,119 --> 00:00:38,600 the weekend. It's summertime now here already. As we mentioned before, kids 11 00:00:38,600 --> 00:00:42,359 out of school. I did mention on the preview podcast. As we are 12 00:00:42,399 --> 00:00:46,119 doing this podcast, my boss move is still in progress, Dan Rayphael, 13 00:00:46,159 --> 00:00:50,960 where the wife and the twins have gone to a dance recital for hours to 14 00:00:51,000 --> 00:00:55,359 be gone for hours so that you and I can get business done here on 15 00:00:55,399 --> 00:00:58,600 a Sunday. So I'm proud of my boss move. I'm glad to be 16 00:00:58,640 --> 00:01:02,840 back with you. How are we We're good. It's like you said, 17 00:01:02,880 --> 00:01:04,239 as good. Got a lot of news going on, not a lot of 18 00:01:04,239 --> 00:01:08,040 fights. So we'll talk about the one fight of consequence, which was CLARESSA 19 00:01:08,079 --> 00:01:11,560 shields is a very easy victory. But yeah, a lot of a lot 20 00:01:11,599 --> 00:01:15,000 of stuff to get to in the Hall of Fame coming up and plenty, 21 00:01:15,040 --> 00:01:18,640 there is plenty to discuss, no doubt. And by the way, Dan 22 00:01:18,680 --> 00:01:22,560 has scored an interview with a longtime friend and acquaintance of his, the future 23 00:01:22,640 --> 00:01:26,239 Hall of Famer. Later it actually counts as next week. On next Sunday, 24 00:01:26,280 --> 00:01:30,280 the International Boxing Hall of Fame does their enshrine at ceremony. Brad Goodman 25 00:01:30,319 --> 00:01:34,760 of Top ranked Boxing a guest right here on this podcast. And look, 26 00:01:34,959 --> 00:01:38,799 you were giddy before we even got to record this. You were giddy that 27 00:01:38,840 --> 00:01:42,200 you got Brad and you were going to get this on the podcast because this 28 00:01:42,280 --> 00:01:44,840 is one of your guys. Just real quick in the preview mode before we 29 00:01:44,879 --> 00:01:48,560 played the interview here a little bit. You are thrilled for this guy on 30 00:01:48,560 --> 00:01:51,239 a personal level, one hundred percent. It's not about getting them. I 31 00:01:51,280 --> 00:01:53,120 talked to Brad multiple times a week on the phone and the text message. 32 00:01:53,359 --> 00:01:59,040 Like there are certain people in boxing I've known for many years. They're not 33 00:01:59,079 --> 00:02:01,040 necessarily your friend, but you have a good relationship with them, you talked 34 00:02:01,079 --> 00:02:06,680 them on a regular basis. Brad is at a different level for me personally. 35 00:02:06,680 --> 00:02:09,479 Brad has been my close personal friend for going on thirty years. We've 36 00:02:09,479 --> 00:02:15,080 been friends with each other before I started to write about boxing on a full 37 00:02:15,080 --> 00:02:20,120 time basis, before he became a full timer at Top Rank and their matchmaker. 38 00:02:20,199 --> 00:02:23,360 This goes back. I think I met Brad in nineteen ninety three or 39 00:02:23,360 --> 00:02:28,159 something like that. You know, we are friends. I mean, this 40 00:02:28,240 --> 00:02:30,039 was this was more than a business interview. I will be the first to 41 00:02:30,080 --> 00:02:35,840 confess that. So I'm thrilled that he's going to all of fame. I 42 00:02:35,879 --> 00:02:38,479 advocated for his inclusion on the ballot a few years ago. I obviously have 43 00:02:38,560 --> 00:02:42,240 voted for him in each of the years he was on the ballot. He 44 00:02:42,319 --> 00:02:45,120 deserves it. He's the betch matchmaker in the business in my opinion. That's 45 00:02:45,120 --> 00:02:49,120 no knock on a lot of other top matchmakers. He's made dozens of world 46 00:02:49,199 --> 00:02:51,879 champions under his watch at Top Rank. I mean, we can go through 47 00:02:51,879 --> 00:02:53,319 the list if you care to. But uh, you know, he's he's 48 00:02:53,319 --> 00:02:58,199 as he knows more about boxing than pretty much anybody I know, four rounders, 49 00:02:58,240 --> 00:03:00,280 six rounders, that the champion ship level guys, I mean, going 50 00:03:00,319 --> 00:03:05,560 back in time in present day, just like a savant, I mean, 51 00:03:05,599 --> 00:03:08,280 like the rain Man of boxing. So it's a big week for him coming 52 00:03:08,360 --> 00:03:10,680 up. I'm happy for him. All the inductees. It's going in with 53 00:03:10,680 --> 00:03:15,840 a great class too, Joe Goose and Carl Fratch, Timothy Bradley, Raphael 54 00:03:15,919 --> 00:03:20,000 Marquez. Brad Jacobs has colleague at top ranks set Abraham tim Ryan. I 55 00:03:20,000 --> 00:03:23,080 mean, this is this is like a lot of the greats, not only 56 00:03:23,120 --> 00:03:24,719 in the ring, but all the folks that go in and the other categories. 57 00:03:24,719 --> 00:03:28,840 And you know, Brad's induction as well deserved, and I was happy 58 00:03:28,879 --> 00:03:30,479 to talk to him about his career. Look, we do a lot of 59 00:03:30,479 --> 00:03:35,560 interviews with fighters and other people in the business, promoters and TV people and 60 00:03:35,639 --> 00:03:38,159 that sort of thing. Not too often you do with the behind the scenes 61 00:03:38,199 --> 00:03:42,800 people, which I think people would be interested in because they don't know a 62 00:03:42,800 --> 00:03:46,439 lot about what these guys are all about, and they bring a very important 63 00:03:46,439 --> 00:03:51,520 important things to the table. In the part of the business that they work 64 00:03:51,520 --> 00:03:54,639 in and whether you're doing an interview with a matchmaker or a manager you know, 65 00:03:54,800 --> 00:03:59,800 or some other person that works in the in the business. So match 66 00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:02,319 makers are largely an important foundation of the sport. I mean, you can't 67 00:04:02,319 --> 00:04:05,560 have a sport without the fighters. But the fighters would never exist at the 68 00:04:05,639 --> 00:04:09,319 level they do if they don't have the if they're not in the right hands 69 00:04:09,719 --> 00:04:14,439 of somebody building up their careers and guiding them through all the very difficult pitfalls 70 00:04:14,439 --> 00:04:16,639 that especially early in a boxer Schrys So Brad and I talked a lot about 71 00:04:16,639 --> 00:04:19,720 that and how he's gone about doing his business, and I'm thrilled for him, 72 00:04:19,720 --> 00:04:23,920 and like I said, he's been my friend for thirty years and couldn't 73 00:04:23,920 --> 00:04:27,279 be happier for him. All right here that interview coming here in a few 74 00:04:27,319 --> 00:04:29,519 moments. Again, by the way, thank you for finding us, however 75 00:04:29,560 --> 00:04:32,680 you've done so. Social media link Dan Substack, Big Fight Weekend dot com 76 00:04:32,720 --> 00:04:38,199 website. 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I keep joking 93 00:05:46,240 --> 00:05:47,600 that we're almost talking to each other more than we're talking to our wives. 94 00:05:47,800 --> 00:05:53,439 But I think the audience has really grown because they appreciate that we're consistently here 95 00:05:53,439 --> 00:05:57,639 for them. So now we're asking the peeps the savages, help us out 96 00:05:57,639 --> 00:06:00,680 a little bit with a review dance. That's fair, Que's fair, A 97 00:06:00,680 --> 00:06:03,199 fair request. But okay, let's get to it, all right, So 98 00:06:03,240 --> 00:06:05,839 there we go, Radius in review us, all right, News of the 99 00:06:05,839 --> 00:06:12,120 week, all right, Sunday afternoon. We're trying to figure out what order 100 00:06:12,160 --> 00:06:15,120 we're going to talk about what, etc. And suddenly my man Rayphiel starts 101 00:06:15,120 --> 00:06:19,639 tweeting the Instagram live comments of Jervonte Davis. You can't make this up. 102 00:06:19,839 --> 00:06:27,639 The Instagram comments of Jervonte Davis from a Baltimore jailhouse phone that he is on 103 00:06:28,040 --> 00:06:34,720 literally after being incarcerated back on Thursday evening for violation of his home confinement sentence. 104 00:06:35,439 --> 00:06:40,560 And again we assume that most of you have been keeping up with this 105 00:06:40,600 --> 00:06:44,759 situation. We put our preview podcast to bed, Dan, Rayphiel, you 106 00:06:44,839 --> 00:06:47,639 and I and we didn't know about this because we're busy yamuring at each other 107 00:06:47,759 --> 00:06:51,240 going over the news, the preview of the correct claressa Shields fight, etc. 108 00:06:51,720 --> 00:06:55,079 We get off the podcast, and I think I was the first one 109 00:06:55,120 --> 00:06:58,720 to tell you. I texted you and said, call me about Jervonte Davis. 110 00:06:58,839 --> 00:07:00,120 You said, what did he do now? And I said, I 111 00:07:00,240 --> 00:07:04,920 said, good, good instinct. He's in jail. He's in jail because 112 00:07:04,920 --> 00:07:08,439 he could not obey the rules of the home confinement. All right, So 113 00:07:08,480 --> 00:07:12,759 we didn't open up the podcast inside podcast in Trum. We didn't open the 114 00:07:12,759 --> 00:07:15,439 podcast back up and redo it. We did talk about this saw on the 115 00:07:15,439 --> 00:07:19,680 bet Us Show Friday live plug for that. Now this is the first time 116 00:07:19,720 --> 00:07:25,399 we can talk at length about this. So he is locked up for violating 117 00:07:25,399 --> 00:07:29,839 the home confinement and basically what it comes down to is the judge gave him 118 00:07:29,879 --> 00:07:32,560 conditions to stay out of jail and he did not obey them. And we're 119 00:07:32,600 --> 00:07:38,000 about to get into that. And now Davis has seemingly made things worse, 120 00:07:38,160 --> 00:07:40,920 and we're gonna get into that as we go along. But Dan pick it 121 00:07:41,040 --> 00:07:45,160 up from here because one of the premier names and faces in the sport is 122 00:07:45,199 --> 00:07:50,360 behind bars and he's out the jailhouse phone knocking the judge about why he's behind 123 00:07:50,399 --> 00:07:55,240 bars. Go ahead. I've never seen anything quite like this. I mean, 124 00:07:55,279 --> 00:07:59,480 I've certainly covered and written, unfortunately a lot over the years. I 125 00:07:59,519 --> 00:08:03,959 have done this about people involved in boxing, mostly boxers who have done time 126 00:08:03,959 --> 00:08:07,720 in jail for a different assortment of crimes in this and that. But I 127 00:08:07,720 --> 00:08:11,600 don't remember anything as lunacy as this, as a guy who's like days having 128 00:08:11,639 --> 00:08:15,720 been locked up going on in Instagram live. It was a video, but 129 00:08:15,800 --> 00:08:18,160 all you saw was the face of the phone, like the keypad. I'm 130 00:08:18,240 --> 00:08:22,759 still not quite sure who he was speaking to, but he was knocking the 131 00:08:22,879 --> 00:08:26,600 judge who still has his life in her hands. Let's back up for our 132 00:08:26,680 --> 00:08:30,839 second. He's involved in a hit and run accident. At the end of 133 00:08:30,839 --> 00:08:35,600 twenty and twenty, it goes to trial, and before they actually get to 134 00:08:35,639 --> 00:08:39,639 the trial, knowing he's probably in some trouble, they may complete agreement. 135 00:08:39,000 --> 00:08:43,120 That was what was able. That was why the Tank Davis Ryan Garcia fight 136 00:08:43,320 --> 00:08:48,120 was so important for everybody involved to take place before the end of April of 137 00:08:48,200 --> 00:08:52,200 this year because May fifth or six, whatever that Friday was, that was 138 00:08:52,240 --> 00:08:56,039 the day he was going to be sentenced. So he pleads to that. 139 00:08:56,279 --> 00:09:00,200 He was I think charge originally with like fourteen counts. They pleaded down, 140 00:09:00,200 --> 00:09:03,600 he got four counts. He pleads guilty. He's gonna get sentence. We 141 00:09:03,679 --> 00:09:05,399 all thought he was gonna get probably like about a year or so, maybe 142 00:09:05,480 --> 00:09:09,360 nine months. We talked to one of the illegal earn about that. We 143 00:09:09,399 --> 00:09:11,320 thought maybe he would get, you know, sometime in jail, like we 144 00:09:11,320 --> 00:09:13,679 said, nine months or a year. Okay. So he goes to the 145 00:09:13,720 --> 00:09:18,360 sentencing with not knowing what he's going to receive. The judge in the case 146 00:09:18,720 --> 00:09:24,080 chief sentences him to twenty six months in jail, suspends the sentence, makes 147 00:09:24,080 --> 00:09:26,519 it ninety days of home confinement, and I believe it was two hundred hours 148 00:09:26,519 --> 00:09:31,279 of community service. All things consider, when you're convicted of one of the 149 00:09:31,360 --> 00:09:35,320 charges was a felony and you get off the hook with ninety days of home 150 00:09:35,360 --> 00:09:37,720 confinement and two hundred hours of community service. Okay. But I don't know 151 00:09:37,720 --> 00:09:39,600 about you, TJ. I mean, I got a pretty nice house. 152 00:09:39,600 --> 00:09:41,799 If he told me to do ninety days here, I could do that with 153 00:09:41,799 --> 00:09:45,200 my eyes. Clue, It's no problem. Got my office, got my 154 00:09:45,200 --> 00:09:48,639 big TV, got a nice patio, got a backyard, got a barbecue 155 00:09:48,679 --> 00:09:50,440 you know whatever. You know, got plenty places to go, got the 156 00:09:50,480 --> 00:09:54,240 man cave, you know, got the TV room, all that, no 157 00:09:54,320 --> 00:09:58,039 problem. Travanti Davis got a lot more money than I do. I'm pretty 158 00:09:58,039 --> 00:10:00,879 sure, so he could do whatever I mean. But so, but one 159 00:10:00,960 --> 00:10:03,919 of the one of the elements of the agreement to do the ninety days was, 160 00:10:05,200 --> 00:10:07,320 and I understand the judge in Baltimore where he's from, even though Gervante 161 00:10:07,399 --> 00:10:11,080 has been living in Florida, she said, if you're gonna do the ninety 162 00:10:11,120 --> 00:10:13,879 days, it's got to be in Baltimore County. This is where the conviction 163 00:10:13,919 --> 00:10:16,120 is. She doesn't want you living it up on the beach, so you're 164 00:10:16,159 --> 00:10:18,919 gonna do your time in Baltimore. So it seems like just kind of on 165 00:10:18,960 --> 00:10:22,519 a lark and maybe not that well planned out. Calvin Ford, who was 166 00:10:22,559 --> 00:10:28,639 Gervanta Davis's trainer and long time mentor, said in the court that he could 167 00:10:28,679 --> 00:10:33,279 live with him. Sounds reasonable. Ninety days. He spent a lot of 168 00:10:33,279 --> 00:10:35,440 time with your coach anyway, there more than just fighter and coach anyway, 169 00:10:35,360 --> 00:10:39,000 there there are very much like a family by all accounts. So okay, 170 00:10:39,039 --> 00:10:41,799 so he's gonna live three months with his coach. He's also, by the 171 00:10:41,840 --> 00:10:45,200 way, he doesn't have to just stay in the in the house. He's 172 00:10:45,200 --> 00:10:48,320 allowed, I guess, at certain times of the day to also go to 173 00:10:48,320 --> 00:10:52,120 the gym to train, which is his job. So go to the gym, 174 00:10:52,639 --> 00:10:54,960 be in the house, and that's it. As it turns out, 175 00:10:56,480 --> 00:10:58,840 Calvin Ford apparently lives in a one bedroom home, one bedroom apartment, whatever 176 00:10:58,840 --> 00:11:03,159 it is. It was a little tight on the space. Tavante was unhappy 177 00:11:03,159 --> 00:11:07,200 about that. So, as the story goes, he purchased like a three 178 00:11:07,240 --> 00:11:13,000 and a half million dollars penthouse at a nice building in Baltimore. The problem 179 00:11:13,000 --> 00:11:15,600 with that is this, he didn't have it approved by the court, and 180 00:11:15,639 --> 00:11:20,679 he was going to the apartment or to the condor to the townhouse or the 181 00:11:20,720 --> 00:11:24,000 penthouse or whatever when he's not supposed to be. Now, I believe he's 182 00:11:24,000 --> 00:11:28,399 wearing an inkle monitor or some kind of thing where the police or the court 183 00:11:28,440 --> 00:11:31,200 or wherever can mine kind of tracking device. Because again we can interject here, 184 00:11:31,200 --> 00:11:33,399 and I know a little bit about this with law enforcement, they have 185 00:11:33,559 --> 00:11:39,679 to have some way to know where are you for the whole home confinement thing 186 00:11:41,120 --> 00:11:43,559 to work, because this is in lieu of you staying out of jail. 187 00:11:43,679 --> 00:11:46,799 Okay, But even if they didn't, even if he didn't have the bracelet 188 00:11:46,879 --> 00:11:50,679 or the ankle bracelet whatever, and somebody just saw him there he's still not 189 00:11:50,759 --> 00:11:54,600 supposed to be there. So when the judge found out about that, they 190 00:11:54,639 --> 00:11:58,039 called like this, Like, I guess you could describe it as an emergency 191 00:11:58,120 --> 00:12:01,559 hearing on Thursdays, not part of the court doctor for the day. I 192 00:12:01,559 --> 00:12:05,399 guess that's something you can do if it's something that comes up at the last 193 00:12:05,440 --> 00:12:07,600 moment. And the judge was ticked off understandably. So let me give you 194 00:12:07,600 --> 00:12:11,000 a little insight. Let me get a little insight on how this works. 195 00:12:11,080 --> 00:12:15,279 So he's got a probation officer already, because she gave him three months of 196 00:12:15,320 --> 00:12:22,200 probation. That probation officer's job is to keep track of where are my cases? 197 00:12:22,279 --> 00:12:26,600 Where are my people? He obviously the probation officer has access to whatever 198 00:12:26,679 --> 00:12:33,320 tracking they have, and this person has an obligation to now tell the Baltimore 199 00:12:33,320 --> 00:12:37,240 authorities and the judge he ain't living up to the home confinement Judge. He's 200 00:12:37,320 --> 00:12:41,000 not at Calvin Ford's house obviously, or at the gym. I can tell 201 00:12:41,120 --> 00:12:45,159 where he is, and the system can tell where he is, and we 202 00:12:45,240 --> 00:12:46,960 got to do something about this. So you're right, they have an impromptu 203 00:12:48,279 --> 00:12:50,639 Thursday here and continue. So I don't know the technicality is of whether he's 204 00:12:50,679 --> 00:12:54,559 wear an embracelet if somebody the probation officer. I mean, we don't know 205 00:12:54,639 --> 00:12:56,600 for sure. That's our assumption because of that's usually the way it works. 206 00:12:56,639 --> 00:13:01,480 But whatever the reason was, the is made aware that he is not where 207 00:13:01,480 --> 00:13:03,879 he's supposed to be, which is either in the gym or in Calvin Ford's 208 00:13:03,960 --> 00:13:07,039 home. And so she called him in with the lawyers and they go to 209 00:13:07,120 --> 00:13:11,679 this emergency hearing, I guess, and she's like, listen, I gave 210 00:13:11,720 --> 00:13:13,440 you the opportunity, and listen, let's put's back up for a quick second. 211 00:13:13,919 --> 00:13:18,080 He got twenty six months suspended. That was a gift from God. 212 00:13:18,200 --> 00:13:22,120 That was to get ninety days for that kind of sentence. Uh, that 213 00:13:22,320 --> 00:13:26,879 that was a real I mean I didn't I mean, I wasn't wishing bad 214 00:13:26,879 --> 00:13:28,639 on Jervonti Davis or anything like that. But in my mind I was like, 215 00:13:28,639 --> 00:13:33,639 oh man, he got off easy with that. That's at home, 216 00:13:33,080 --> 00:13:37,080 yes, you know, I mean, by the way, ninety days at 217 00:13:37,080 --> 00:13:39,600 home. That means he can call uber eats and he can go sit on 218 00:13:39,639 --> 00:13:41,559 the patio and he can you know, shoot hoops in his in his in 219 00:13:41,840 --> 00:13:45,559 the yard. If he's got a basketball hooked up there. I mean, 220 00:13:45,960 --> 00:13:48,200 it's not like you're living in a jail cell. As the bottom line, 221 00:13:48,200 --> 00:13:50,279 you can wake up when you want, you can go to bed when you 222 00:13:50,279 --> 00:13:52,799 want, you can eat when you want, you can you know, go 223 00:13:52,840 --> 00:13:54,759 to the bathroom when you want, you can read when you want, you 224 00:13:54,799 --> 00:13:58,039 can watch television when you want. Whatever. So that's a lot better than 225 00:13:58,039 --> 00:14:01,919 being in a jail cell ninety days or otherwise. Anyway. So she revoked 226 00:14:01,919 --> 00:14:05,799 the ninety days sentence and she put him in custody to serve the remainder of 227 00:14:05,840 --> 00:14:07,919 the ninety days. I mean, she gave him the ninety days he'd probably 228 00:14:07,960 --> 00:14:13,039 he hadn't even gotten through a month since since the sentencing. The sentencing I 229 00:14:13,080 --> 00:14:16,639 want to say, was May fifth. This happened on Thursday, So it's 230 00:14:16,639 --> 00:14:20,720 barely a month that he was able to make. He's got to serve the 231 00:14:20,759 --> 00:14:22,120 rest of the time, well, you know whatever, roughly sixty days. 232 00:14:22,480 --> 00:14:24,919 He's got to do it in the Baltimore I could be listened to the Baltimore 233 00:14:24,919 --> 00:14:31,279 City jail. So that's on him. You know. The thing that blew 234 00:14:31,360 --> 00:14:33,440 my mind, and I think anybody's mind that may have listened to the audio 235 00:14:35,639 --> 00:14:39,759 he's doing the FaceTime and he's blaming the judge. He's saying that the judge 236 00:14:39,080 --> 00:14:43,399 is crazy, that that she has it out for him. He says, 237 00:14:43,960 --> 00:14:46,120 and this is how we started it off. I want to let the people 238 00:14:46,159 --> 00:14:50,720 know that did just that. This judge is crazy. Bro. She locked 239 00:14:50,720 --> 00:14:54,639 me up because I basically brought bought up property. And then he went on 240 00:14:54,679 --> 00:14:58,559 and on about how he was upset because he was living in a one bedroom 241 00:14:58,799 --> 00:15:01,480 and there wasn't enough space, couldn't have his kids come with him. I'm 242 00:15:01,519 --> 00:15:03,360 like, dude, you're you're supposed to be in jail, that's right, 243 00:15:03,399 --> 00:15:07,679 I supposed to have anything like that. You know, you want your kids 244 00:15:07,679 --> 00:15:09,240 to visit, find they can come during visiting hours, like once a week 245 00:15:09,320 --> 00:15:13,720 or whatever the jail requires. And we should we should interject this. One 246 00:15:13,759 --> 00:15:18,919 of the victims in the hit and run is a female, a Baltimore female, 247 00:15:18,559 --> 00:15:24,240 and she testified at that hearing on May the fifth, my life is 248 00:15:24,480 --> 00:15:28,759 ruined. In her words, my life is ruined right now because of what 249 00:15:28,879 --> 00:15:33,159 happened. Because she suffered a serious knee injury, which prevents her from being 250 00:15:33,200 --> 00:15:39,799 able to work for income. She suffered a miscarriage because she was pregnant after 251 00:15:39,840 --> 00:15:45,279 the accident. This first, yes, she testified to that in court. 252 00:15:45,399 --> 00:15:50,320 That's correct. And she then said to the judge, you need She basically 253 00:15:50,320 --> 00:15:52,360 said, you need to send him a message and put him in jail for 254 00:15:52,480 --> 00:15:56,240 what he has done to me. My life is ruined. I'm paraphrasing what 255 00:15:56,360 --> 00:16:00,639 she's saying. And the judge chose not to do that. And now you 256 00:16:00,679 --> 00:16:04,399 have Jervonte Davis, while we're just giving commentary on this, complaining because the 257 00:16:04,399 --> 00:16:10,519 conditions of his home confinement, not jail, are not up to standards. 258 00:16:10,559 --> 00:16:12,639 And he literally went and bought, and this is in the Baltimore records, 259 00:16:12,679 --> 00:16:18,879 a three million dollar condo that he was trying to apparently stay in, or 260 00:16:18,960 --> 00:16:22,120 may have even stayed in for a day or two when they found all of 261 00:16:22,120 --> 00:16:27,679 this outing. Had they discussed this at the hearing or beforehand, the judge 262 00:16:27,759 --> 00:16:30,480 wasn't say you have to stay in a one bedroom apartment. They were saying, 263 00:16:30,480 --> 00:16:34,200 okay, you have to do the time of the home confinement in Baltimore, 264 00:16:34,440 --> 00:16:37,320 so they could he could have bought the property ahead of time, had 265 00:16:37,360 --> 00:16:40,559 Calvin moved in with him, they could have done all that and he would 266 00:16:40,559 --> 00:16:42,759 have been allowed to stay there, probably because that was what he's what his 267 00:16:42,840 --> 00:16:45,440 home is, So you know, she just didn't want him going to Florida. 268 00:16:45,559 --> 00:16:48,159 So that's correct because they can't keep track of him. Good point, 269 00:16:48,200 --> 00:16:51,879 because they can't keep track of him with a probation officer, etc. In 270 00:16:51,919 --> 00:16:55,519 Florida. That's the whole point. So so Gervante and his team, and 271 00:16:55,600 --> 00:16:56,600 I mean, yes, it's at the end of the day, it falls 272 00:16:56,639 --> 00:17:00,480 to Gervanta Davis, but it sounds to me like his lawyers in a bad 273 00:17:00,559 --> 00:17:03,720 job, Like maybe Calvin wasn't thinking about what this would entail, having him 274 00:17:03,840 --> 00:17:07,160 in a one bedroom for third ninety days. But the whole team as a 275 00:17:07,200 --> 00:17:10,839 collective, the Dravata Davis team, they really screwed up the big time. 276 00:17:10,839 --> 00:17:12,440 And so but he's paying the price. And you know what, Honestly, 277 00:17:12,559 --> 00:17:15,359 again, I don't wish bad on Jivanti Davis, but he kind of you 278 00:17:15,480 --> 00:17:18,640 kind of get what you deserve. And when I listened to the comments, 279 00:17:18,680 --> 00:17:22,079 my friend, the tone deafness of what he was saying is so beyond a 280 00:17:22,279 --> 00:17:26,960 ridiculousness, Like you're complaining because you can't have your kids and you only were 281 00:17:27,000 --> 00:17:30,319 going to be in a one bedroom. Well, dude, Now you're in 282 00:17:30,359 --> 00:17:33,799 a fucking jail cell, which is better, which is worse? And we 283 00:17:33,839 --> 00:17:37,599 should say this. There will probably be a status hearing, that's what they're 284 00:17:37,640 --> 00:17:41,000 called, after this is over with, after he is locked up, where 285 00:17:41,079 --> 00:17:45,960 she the judge ALTHEA handy is her name, can reevaluate whether or not he 286 00:17:45,079 --> 00:17:49,599 is jail sentence continues, Is she gonna stick with the probation and the community 287 00:17:49,599 --> 00:17:53,359 service? Only all of this can be reevaluated? And he is not doing 288 00:17:53,440 --> 00:17:59,599 himself any favors by making I mean, it's is almost a bad Saturday Night 289 00:17:59,640 --> 00:18:04,599 Live sketch type thing. You're calling from the jailhouse phone to complain about the 290 00:18:04,680 --> 00:18:11,200 judge and call the judge stupid and crazy. Call it crazy, and I 291 00:18:11,240 --> 00:18:17,359 mean, just what are we doing here? And for him to suggest that 292 00:18:17,400 --> 00:18:19,400 this judge somehow hasn't out for him, to me, just doesn't even ring 293 00:18:19,440 --> 00:18:22,880 with any element of truth, because judges see these kinds of cases all the 294 00:18:22,920 --> 00:18:26,519 time and they don't get emotionally involved. They go by the by the by 295 00:18:26,559 --> 00:18:30,079 the rule of law, which is the way it's supposed, the precedents and 296 00:18:30,079 --> 00:18:33,359 that kind of stuff. And so, my friend, this is not over. 297 00:18:33,680 --> 00:18:37,559 This is not over, and he may be looking I'm not saying that 298 00:18:37,599 --> 00:18:40,920 I know this, but he may be looking at more jail time when it 299 00:18:40,920 --> 00:18:45,519 comes time for him to have a status situation, and just depends she may 300 00:18:45,599 --> 00:18:51,000 and and another thing that it demonstrates here m one more and then we can 301 00:18:51,000 --> 00:18:55,440 move on off of this is he's gotten out of several of these legal situations 302 00:18:55,519 --> 00:18:57,880 in the past without having jail time, and he was about to get out 303 00:18:57,880 --> 00:19:02,640 of this one without having jail time, And sooner or later the message has 304 00:19:02,640 --> 00:19:07,359 to start to get through that you continue to violate the law, you're gonna 305 00:19:07,400 --> 00:19:10,799 lose your freedom. And he's getting a taste of that right now. I'm 306 00:19:10,839 --> 00:19:15,519 still trying to figure out at what point or how do you think to yourself, 307 00:19:15,559 --> 00:19:18,319 Okay, I'm in this jackpot and I messed up and now I'm sitting 308 00:19:18,319 --> 00:19:22,720 here now for the next sixty days in jail. But how does that translate? 309 00:19:22,720 --> 00:19:26,640 Like, I think it's a good idea to go on a public audio 310 00:19:26,720 --> 00:19:32,200 that you know is going to become public and bitch about the judge who still 311 00:19:32,200 --> 00:19:37,160 controls your life. Right where how is that possibly? How can that possibly 312 00:19:37,160 --> 00:19:38,559 help you? If anything, he should have gone and said you know what. 313 00:19:38,720 --> 00:19:41,839 I appreciate the judge. She's great. She did the right thing. 314 00:19:42,039 --> 00:19:45,599 I deserve this. I mean, if you're gonna say something, say that, 315 00:19:45,799 --> 00:19:48,119 but don't call the judge crazy. All you're doing is here's the old 316 00:19:48,160 --> 00:19:53,119 saying in PR one oh one, when you're in a hole, stop digging. 317 00:19:53,480 --> 00:19:59,599 Yes, amen, And by the way, just once more, this 318 00:19:59,640 --> 00:20:03,319 is so somebody that's never been put in this situation before. He's always, 319 00:20:03,440 --> 00:20:06,680 through his lawyers, through his money, through whatever, gotten out of these 320 00:20:06,720 --> 00:20:08,440 situations, and he didn't get out of this one. And so now he 321 00:20:08,559 --> 00:20:11,599 is making it worse. And we'll see what happens for the future. But 322 00:20:11,640 --> 00:20:17,680 that was Sunday. That was Sunday afternoon and again just before we started taking 323 00:20:17,680 --> 00:20:21,599 this. Yeah, for the foreseeable next sixty days, this doesn't matter because 324 00:20:21,599 --> 00:20:23,759 he's still locked up. Depending on if anything else happens here or he does 325 00:20:23,799 --> 00:20:29,640 anything else, it will matter in about two months here at the very beginning 326 00:20:29,640 --> 00:20:33,680 of August, when the ninety days is up, and then there's a status 327 00:20:33,720 --> 00:20:38,759 hearing on what happens next with Jervonte Davis. So will I saw pictures of 328 00:20:38,839 --> 00:20:44,240 the property that he supposedly purchased. It's a beautiful it's a beautiful place, 329 00:20:44,319 --> 00:20:48,640 three million dollar purchase, and the Baltimore media was Look, the Baltimore media 330 00:20:48,759 --> 00:20:52,720 was all over this and said Jervonte And apparently he did some of this transaction 331 00:20:52,839 --> 00:20:56,799 in person, which is obviously in violation of the home confinement. You're not 332 00:20:56,839 --> 00:21:00,319 allowed to be there. And more the point, if he was staying there, 333 00:21:00,519 --> 00:21:04,079 he knows he's not allowed to be there. There's another Baltimore media report 334 00:21:04,119 --> 00:21:07,680 that I read from this weekend that he stayed at the Four Seasons, will 335 00:21:07,759 --> 00:21:11,400 name it the Four Seasons hotel in downtown Baltimore, in a hotel suite and 336 00:21:11,519 --> 00:21:18,079 was seen at a nightclub right there by it. So, yeah, there 337 00:21:18,160 --> 00:21:21,119 you go with He put himself in that situation. And this is not the 338 00:21:21,200 --> 00:21:23,640 final chapter on this situation. For those now I'm not saying you, I'm 339 00:21:23,640 --> 00:21:27,640 saying for those out there that might think this is over with right now, 340 00:21:29,160 --> 00:21:32,559 he might stay locked up as this year goes on, depending on what this 341 00:21:32,680 --> 00:21:36,440 judge wants to do. One thing that one thing that judges get rankled at 342 00:21:36,480 --> 00:21:41,480 in a big hurry is somebody that is disrespectful to them and their rulings and 343 00:21:41,519 --> 00:21:47,279 in court, lawyers, defendants whomever, So stay tuned. Final chapters not 344 00:21:47,359 --> 00:21:52,839 yet written on this situation with us who constance in boxing currently Javante Tank Davis 345 00:21:52,880 --> 00:21:56,039 is a very talented boxer, one of the best in the world and number 346 00:21:56,079 --> 00:22:00,200 two. He's just a knucklehead. Yeah apparently, and and time to time 347 00:22:00,240 --> 00:22:04,079 to smarten up, uh and and realize take your medicine here, I mean 348 00:22:04,119 --> 00:22:10,920 and again at the hearing, he apparently expressed no remorse. They didn't even 349 00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:15,039 I mean, they didn't even from a pr standpoint, convince him stand there 350 00:22:15,079 --> 00:22:18,160 and say you're sorry about this. Now. I know part of that is 351 00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:21,400 the woman is still suing him and that is not resolved. And if you're 352 00:22:21,400 --> 00:22:26,200 standing in court an apologizing to her, then maybe you're you're damaging the civil 353 00:22:26,279 --> 00:22:29,240 back and forth on what you're gonna have to give her. But if they 354 00:22:29,240 --> 00:22:33,000 were smart, any of us, he didn't even apologe guys standing there in 355 00:22:33,039 --> 00:22:36,519 the court. If you're smart, use you're apologizing yourself out of court, 356 00:22:36,720 --> 00:22:38,359 yes, figure, and you don't worry. You don't leave it to the 357 00:22:38,559 --> 00:22:41,519 to the jury or to the judge to you know, take even more of 358 00:22:41,559 --> 00:22:45,279 your millions. So you know, hopefully he uh, I don't think he 359 00:22:45,319 --> 00:22:48,119 will just because it's it seems no, there's no chance of this. But 360 00:22:48,440 --> 00:22:52,200 hopefully he learns the lesson, I mean and uh and and and grows as 361 00:22:52,200 --> 00:22:55,960 a human being from this and gets some maturity. But you know, for 362 00:22:56,000 --> 00:22:57,279 a long time we said Jervanta Davis is a young guy. He's gonna get 363 00:22:57,359 --> 00:23:00,400 maturity. He's twenty eight years old. Now it's not like, you know, 364 00:23:00,799 --> 00:23:02,920 you know, it's not like he's twenty one or twenty anymore when he 365 00:23:03,039 --> 00:23:04,640 was you know, first in this h in the in the business, and 366 00:23:04,920 --> 00:23:08,000 in the spotlight to some degree. But you know, that's fight. We 367 00:23:08,119 --> 00:23:11,759 got other news to get to. But why don't we show some respect to 368 00:23:11,880 --> 00:23:15,160 Claressa Shields. Quite a night for her, A victory in Detroit. Looked 369 00:23:15,160 --> 00:23:18,599 like a pretty good crowd from everything I saw, lower bowl of the Little 370 00:23:18,640 --> 00:23:22,599 Caesar's Arena in downtown Detroit with the red Wings and the and the pistons play 371 00:23:23,160 --> 00:23:27,440 was mostly full. She definitely had an elaborate ring walk. It was almost 372 00:23:27,480 --> 00:23:33,720 like a celebration. And then the fight with Maricela Cornejo was basically like the 373 00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:40,480 afterthought, uh and and she dominated one easily one every round. Dan your 374 00:23:40,559 --> 00:23:44,240 thoughts and the recap mode on the latest title defense win for Claressa Shields. 375 00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:48,559 It's like I said on our bet Us show TJ in Boxing in Life, 376 00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:56,279 Death, Taxes and Shields by decision not a hard pick eighty nine on one 377 00:23:56,319 --> 00:23:59,920 scorecard, which means one of the judges gave the judge, John Basil, 378 00:24:00,559 --> 00:24:03,559 gave her the seventh round ten to at eight even though there was no knockdown. 379 00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:07,319 That's how dominant she was. The other two judges scored at US Queen 380 00:24:07,359 --> 00:24:11,599 sweep one hundred ninety. Not a hard fight to score. No controversy at 381 00:24:11,640 --> 00:24:12,799 all to me. The only controversy that there would have been is of a 382 00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:18,519 judge had had the had given Cornejo a single round. It was a dominating 383 00:24:18,559 --> 00:24:22,680 performance. And people want to knock and say, well Corneo is not very 384 00:24:22,759 --> 00:24:25,519 good, and it should it's a walkover fight. Here's the bottom line. 385 00:24:25,839 --> 00:24:30,039 Corneo, she's pretty solid. She went straight up essentially with Francion Cruise dessergn 386 00:24:30,079 --> 00:24:33,599 in a super middleweight title fight. She has been competitive in other title fights 387 00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:37,079 and she's not a bad fighter. And people say, well she took the 388 00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:38,559 fight on short notice. Well, yeah, that's true. But the reality 389 00:24:38,599 --> 00:24:42,240 was she was training for a fight at the same time roughly and got the 390 00:24:42,279 --> 00:24:45,839 opportunity to do a much bigger fight and accepted and then took the place of 391 00:24:47,440 --> 00:24:49,519 Hannah Gabriels, who was dropped because of her positive drug tests. But the 392 00:24:49,559 --> 00:24:52,880 point in here is that Cornejo was in shape for the fight. She was 393 00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:56,160 ready to go, and she looked in great shape, and the fact that 394 00:24:56,200 --> 00:24:57,960 she could go the ten rounds taking the kind of shots that she did shows 395 00:24:57,960 --> 00:25:02,160 you the kind of conditioning that she had, so she would do well against 396 00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:04,519 a lot of the women in and around that weight class. She said afterwards, 397 00:25:04,519 --> 00:25:07,359 she's going to go down to one fifty four. But the point is 398 00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:12,119 class is so high above the rest of the women in her weight class. 399 00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:15,279 In and around that weight class, there's really nobody that can do anything. 400 00:25:15,279 --> 00:25:18,519 I don't have any doubt it would have been a similar outcome if she had 401 00:25:18,519 --> 00:25:22,839 faced Gabriels. She got some competition in her last fight in They'll Fall when 402 00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:27,880 she fought Hannah fought, Hannah fought a Savannah Marshall and Adventure won amateur lass. 403 00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:30,319 That's about as much competition as she has gotten, and she still won 404 00:25:30,359 --> 00:25:33,839 the fight with no doubt about it, So it's not a Corneo's fault. 405 00:25:33,839 --> 00:25:37,119 I'm glad they were about to keep the card alive. Detroit turned out for 406 00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:38,559 her. They had a very good crowd. I am told that the gate 407 00:25:38,599 --> 00:25:44,480 for that fight was in excess of six hundred thousand dollars. That's pretty damn 408 00:25:44,559 --> 00:25:49,119 good for that type of fight in her hometown. Detroit has been a great 409 00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:52,880 boxing city for a you know, since the beginning of time basically, but 410 00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:56,400 there hasn't been a lot of big time boxing in the city for quite a 411 00:25:56,519 --> 00:26:00,119 number of years. So when you consider she has fought previous title defenses, 412 00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:03,400 maybe as recently as two or three years ago, and only fought maybe in 413 00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:07,240 front of a thousand or a couple of thousand people, if you've got eight 414 00:26:07,359 --> 00:26:10,960 nine, ten thousand people, which she legitimately had again, I mean I 415 00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:14,200 could I could see from some of the video and some of the photos between 416 00:26:14,279 --> 00:26:18,599 the floor seating and the lower level seating, the place was mostly full in 417 00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:22,200 the bottom of the arena. So obviously there's some appetite for her and for 418 00:26:22,319 --> 00:26:26,519 her fighting in that region and that market being from Flint, Michigan. The 419 00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:30,839 total attendance was announced that a little over eleven thousand. That's attendance, So 420 00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:34,400 I think that also includes like people working media, et cetera. But the 421 00:26:34,559 --> 00:26:38,160 paid the people that bought tickets. You know, she gave away about a 422 00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:41,279 thousand or a little over a thousand things or so to bring in a lot 423 00:26:41,359 --> 00:26:45,440 of the kids from the region, you know, which is a good thing. 424 00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:48,799 You helped build up and get them interested in boxing and do a nice 425 00:26:48,799 --> 00:26:51,759 thing for your community and all that. But they had you know, probably 426 00:26:51,839 --> 00:26:55,240 seven eight, nine thousand that were sold. And again, forget about how 427 00:26:55,279 --> 00:26:56,799 many it's not even really important how many number of tickets were sold. It's 428 00:26:56,799 --> 00:27:00,400 really what did you generate financially to do a gate like six hundred grand plus 429 00:27:00,839 --> 00:27:04,559 for that kind of show. That's pretty damn good in a you know, 430 00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:08,440 in that environment with an opponent that was not known, with the undercard that 431 00:27:08,519 --> 00:27:12,559 did feature some other Michigan fighters, but not big names or anything like that. 432 00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:18,200 So I think that claressa shield besides being the number one pound for pound 433 00:27:18,279 --> 00:27:23,720 women fighter in the world and the undisputed middleweight champion and undefeated, has also 434 00:27:23,839 --> 00:27:27,319 proven now that she is also a draw and that she's hitting the she's checking 435 00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:32,799 the boxes in her ability and her marketability, and you know, until further 436 00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:34,160 notice, she's number one, and she showed it again. She put on 437 00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:37,960 a you know, she did everything other than get the knockout. She landed 438 00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:41,279 a thousand right hands, her upper cut, her body shots, r jabs, 439 00:27:41,319 --> 00:27:45,400 everything was connecting. I'll tip my hat to Perneo for being toughest nail, 440 00:27:45,759 --> 00:27:48,359 putting up a valiant effort, but at no point that she come even 441 00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:51,400 close to winning a single round or putting shields in any kind of trouble. 442 00:27:51,559 --> 00:27:56,160 So the only question at this point now is who in the world can claressa 443 00:27:56,200 --> 00:28:00,160 fight that would give her competition in the immediacy After the fight, the talks, 444 00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:02,960 well, maybe she would fight against the winner of the fight that takes 445 00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:06,640 place in July, where you have Savannah Marshall, who she'd just beat going 446 00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:10,400 up to sixty eight to take on Franchi on Cruise Desern for the undisputed title 447 00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:14,720 at supermid aweight and France on Cruise Dissern is another woman that Claressa shows defeated. 448 00:28:14,759 --> 00:28:18,160 They fought each other in their professional debut and Claressa won a four round 449 00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:21,880 decision in a tremendous fight. I mean, so I would be opposed to 450 00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:26,000 seeing a rematch between Claressen either one of those women being at one sixty or 451 00:28:26,039 --> 00:28:29,200 one sixty, and I guess they would do it at one sixty eight because 452 00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:33,920 Claressa would then have the opportunity to be a champion undisputed in three week less. 453 00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:36,799 She's already she was a unified champion at super midway. She never got 454 00:28:36,839 --> 00:28:40,039 the fourth belt, but she's been on disputed at middleweight twice. He's been 455 00:28:40,079 --> 00:28:44,119 on disputed at a junior middleweight. She's been a two time gold medal winner. 456 00:28:44,319 --> 00:28:45,680 I mean, what else can she do? She's already going to be 457 00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:49,960 a Hall of Famer. There's not a lot out there to really think about 458 00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:53,880 as far as who you want to see your fight. And Saturday night was 459 00:28:53,920 --> 00:29:00,920 her night in Motown, that's for sure, including having the what the four 460 00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:04,240 Tops do? The national anthem that we're all decked out in their Detroit Tigers 461 00:29:04,319 --> 00:29:11,160 and Lions and Red Wings and Pistons jerseys. It was Detroit through and through 462 00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:15,640 hit Man Tommy Hearns even there as well from the Motor City on Saturday. 463 00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:18,319 So good on Claressa. Shields. All right, let's move along, and 464 00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:23,640 let's move along to Dan's conversation. As mentioned, top rank matchmaker Brad Goodman 465 00:29:23,759 --> 00:29:30,119 part of the twenty twenty three International Boxing Hall of Fame class. Let's get 466 00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:33,480 to that conversation right now. I'm want to welcome to the podcast this week 467 00:29:33,519 --> 00:29:37,039 my special guest, a man who I've been friends with for about thirty years. 468 00:29:37,519 --> 00:29:41,640 It is none other than Brad Goodman. He is the top rank matchmaker. 469 00:29:41,359 --> 00:29:45,319 You don't maybe know him by face or name, you don't hear a 470 00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:47,759 lot from him, but if you watch top rank fights, he's the guy 471 00:29:47,839 --> 00:29:51,559 that's building all these prospects. He's doing the matches in conjunction with the folks 472 00:29:51,599 --> 00:29:55,319 at the company. And the reason I have Brad on today is because on 473 00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:59,519 Sunday, June eleventh, very well deserved, my good friend will be inducted 474 00:29:59,559 --> 00:30:02,920 into the International Boxing Hall of Fame in Canastota, New York. And so 475 00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:03,880 I thought, you know, this would be a great time Brad to talk 476 00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:07,920 about your career and your thoughts about boxing and building these all these great champions 477 00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:10,799 you have built over the years. So thank you very much for doing this. 478 00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:15,440 Have you been all right? Jan? Thanks so much, really appreciate 479 00:30:15,559 --> 00:30:18,880 it. It's doing good, all right, you bet so. First of 480 00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:22,480 all, you're going in with a fantastic group of other inductees. Among the 481 00:30:22,599 --> 00:30:26,400 champions that are going to be inducted, names that everybody knows, Timothy Bradley 482 00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:30,920 Jr. Raphael Marquez, Carl Fratch, got a bunch of people who are 483 00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:33,519 not fighters that are going in along with your year of course, being inducted 484 00:30:33,559 --> 00:30:38,279 into the non participant category. You have people like your colleague at top ranked, 485 00:30:38,279 --> 00:30:42,519 the chief operating officer Brad Jacobs, the great trainer Joe Goosen, the 486 00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:48,039 long time former HBO executive Seth Abraham, the great CBS broadcaster Tim Ryan, 487 00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:51,759 and others. It's just what do you think, Wing, First of all, 488 00:30:51,759 --> 00:30:53,599 before we get into all this stuff about your career, when you hear 489 00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:56,599 all those names that you're going to be standing alongside of on the stage getting 490 00:30:56,640 --> 00:31:00,559 inducted, that's a pretty damn good class. What do you think when you 491 00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:03,000 hear all those names that you're going in with, Oh, listen, First 492 00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:07,119 of all, it's it's an honor, you know, it's it's you know, 493 00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:11,960 I'm still in shock over it, but just to be considered with names 494 00:31:12,039 --> 00:31:17,400 like these guys. It's just it's just a remarkable thing. And listen, 495 00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:18,720 one of the things that people should know is you were the matchmaker on a 496 00:31:18,759 --> 00:31:22,559 lot of those Raphael Mark has fights and a lot of the Timothy Bradley fights 497 00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:26,960 first and foremost. And you're also not going to be the first person ever 498 00:31:26,039 --> 00:31:29,880 from top rank at getting into the Hall of Fame, putting aside all the 499 00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:33,519 great fighters a top rank has promoted through the years that have been inducted. 500 00:31:33,279 --> 00:31:37,440 You're going to go in with your boss, Bob arm your mentor also a 501 00:31:37,519 --> 00:31:41,000 matchmaker, Bruce Trampler, the two pr legends, the late Irving rud Our, 502 00:31:41,039 --> 00:31:45,599 good friend Lee Samuels, and obviously alongside Brad Jacobs, who you work 503 00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:48,839 with on a daily basis. I'm curious when you know you've you've been on 504 00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:52,079 You were on the ballot for a few years before you got got the call 505 00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:56,759 that you were being being elected. So when you finally got that call at 506 00:31:56,799 --> 00:31:57,920 the end of last year to let you know, hey, you know you 507 00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:00,599 are going to be inducted June, what did it mean to you? What 508 00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:04,759 what do you think about when you first got that call. Oh, listen, 509 00:32:04,839 --> 00:32:07,960 I it's still vivid in my mind. Then you know, um, 510 00:32:08,319 --> 00:32:14,640 Ed called me up and I didn't have his numbers stared or anything like that, 511 00:32:15,319 --> 00:32:17,480 so I was just getting a call, you know, from upstate New 512 00:32:17,559 --> 00:32:22,119 York. I had no idea. But when he called me, you know, 513 00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:24,680 um, you know, he told me, you know that that I 514 00:32:24,839 --> 00:32:29,599 was in and he just asked me, since you know what, you know, 515 00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:34,119 how do you feel about it? And I was basically speechless at first. 516 00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:37,000 I mean I was in shock, um because like I said before, 517 00:32:37,119 --> 00:32:43,319 you know, it's one it's an honor and two it's you can't get any 518 00:32:43,359 --> 00:32:47,200 bigger than this. So you know, there were so many emotions that hit 519 00:32:47,319 --> 00:32:52,960 all at once. Um. And like I said, you know, just 520 00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:58,039 just to be around you know what guys like like Brad Jacobs and Joe Goose 521 00:32:58,119 --> 00:33:02,440 and and said in ten uh and the fighters. I mean, it's just 522 00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:07,480 you know, it's it's very humbling tonight. Well, let folks know just 523 00:33:07,519 --> 00:33:08,519 so they know who we're talking about. When you mentioned Ed, you're talking 524 00:33:08,559 --> 00:33:14,000 about Ed Brope, who is the directory. Yeah, no, that's good. 525 00:33:14,039 --> 00:33:15,119 I mean he's a friend to many of us in boxing. I've known 526 00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:17,799 Ed for years and they do a tremendous job, and I'm sure you're gonna 527 00:33:17,799 --> 00:33:21,799 have a great time when you're up there during all the festivities for the weekend, 528 00:33:22,279 --> 00:33:23,160 which interesting, by the way, you know, Top Rank has a 529 00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:28,640 big show next on Saturday, the night before the Boxing Hall of Fame inductions 530 00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:30,920 with the fight between Josh Taylor and TFM A. Lopez. Unfortunately, you 531 00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:35,039 won't be able to be there, but you and Brad will be uh enjoying 532 00:33:35,079 --> 00:33:38,480 yourselves in canis toda? I hope? Uh? When when I think about 533 00:33:38,759 --> 00:33:42,039 you're going to the Hall of Fame, I think one of things when when 534 00:33:42,039 --> 00:33:44,480 you're a boxer going in all of Fame, people can look at your resume, 535 00:33:44,799 --> 00:33:46,359 can say when you started your career, when you won championships, and 536 00:33:46,599 --> 00:33:50,160 what type of fights you had, and that sort of thing. When it's 537 00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:52,799 somebody that's non participant, they don't necessarily know the person's background. So maybe 538 00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:55,079 I mean, I know this because, as I said, we've known each 539 00:33:55,079 --> 00:34:00,640 other for like thirty years. But just give a brief scription of how you 540 00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:05,440 got involved and got your start in boxing. Okay, Well, my father, 541 00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:09,800 my father's friend was the lawyer of Stan Hoffman, and this was back 542 00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:15,280 in nineteen eighty three, and at that time, Stan Hoffman and Bob Bob 543 00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:19,360 Aram, you know, they were best of friends. So one, you 544 00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:22,360 know, one thing led to the next, you know, the my father's 545 00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:24,280 friend. They asked, Stan, could you do me a favor? You 546 00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:28,719 know, And it started out as a summer job in nineteen eighty three, 547 00:34:29,519 --> 00:34:32,880 and I actually was working, you know, just as a messenger and clar 548 00:34:34,079 --> 00:34:37,800 doing clerical work in the office. But it was really more you know, 549 00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:39,800 for Irving Ruod, you know, the publicists. And by the way, 550 00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:44,039 this is just so people know, this is when Top Ranks offices were still 551 00:34:44,119 --> 00:34:46,400 located in New York City before moving to Las Vegas. And Stan Hoffman, 552 00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:51,880 so people know, was a long time manager of lots of top fighters for 553 00:34:52,039 --> 00:34:58,360 years. Yep. Rockman James Toney, I think at one point sort of 554 00:34:58,360 --> 00:35:01,800 at the end of his career. But you know, like I said, 555 00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:07,239 you know, I started working you know, under Irving Rud and just doing 556 00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:09,599 you know, anything that you know, a fifteen sixteen year would be doing, 557 00:35:10,039 --> 00:35:16,039 cutting paper clippings and running around the city doing messenger work. And for 558 00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:23,199 some reason it was like I was obsessed and I always wanted to be a 559 00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:29,000 matchmaker. Then I never had any of the desire but to be a matchmaker. 560 00:35:29,199 --> 00:35:32,000 No desire to be a promoter or a manager, you know, nothing. 561 00:35:32,199 --> 00:35:37,039 Just I always wanted to be a matchmaker. And even though I was 562 00:35:37,119 --> 00:35:42,760 working under Irving rud at that time, I would always sit in the matchmaker's 563 00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:46,679 office, which was with Bruce Trampla and Teddy Brenner. By the way, 564 00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:51,639 I'm remiss when I mentioned the folks from top rank who were inducted into Hall 565 00:35:51,639 --> 00:35:53,159 of Fame, I failed to mention Teddy Brenner, So my bad on that 566 00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:59,039 he's also in the Hall of Fame and well deserved. The greatest matchmaker ever. 567 00:36:00,079 --> 00:36:02,880 Um, and I just soaked everything up, you know, I had 568 00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:07,400 listened to what they would say, Um, look at the board on who 569 00:36:07,559 --> 00:36:13,599 was fighting any any any guy that would be you know, in his early 570 00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:17,199 teens. You know, you know, you could just become really really interested 571 00:36:17,239 --> 00:36:22,079 in you know, and you know, you just really enjoy every every part 572 00:36:22,119 --> 00:36:24,679 of it. And then the next thing I knew, I was going on 573 00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:30,039 the road with these guys to Atlantic City. And I was only maybe seventeen 574 00:36:30,119 --> 00:36:35,360 already at that time. Um, but every every other week we would going 575 00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:38,760 to Atlantic City, twice a week at that time. So it was just 576 00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:45,039 a really really great experience. And and Bruce, you know, he took 577 00:36:45,079 --> 00:36:49,639 me under his wing. And uh, you know, and I've said this 578 00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:54,280 on numerous occasions, I owe everything to Bruce Tramplin. He gave me, 579 00:36:54,760 --> 00:37:01,599 He gave me the opportunity of a lifetime. He believed me, he saw 580 00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:07,719 something in me, you know, and I took full advantage of it. 581 00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:12,800 But like I said, if it wasn't for Bruce, I won't even be 582 00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:17,280 in this this situation. So I thank him, and you know, I 583 00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:22,199 love him for everything that he's ever done. So, you know, just 584 00:37:22,360 --> 00:37:24,679 getting into the Hall of Fame, the majority that had a lot to deal 585 00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:28,599 with him, no doubting you will obviously will be inducted along. You know, 586 00:37:28,639 --> 00:37:30,760 he's already been in there for a number of years, well deserved. 587 00:37:30,159 --> 00:37:32,719 Now a lot of people they think, okay, you're the matchmaker, and 588 00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:36,199 like, you know, obviously what does that mean? You make the matches? 589 00:37:36,280 --> 00:37:38,239 But it's not exactly that easy. I mean there is. As I 590 00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:42,400 have learned from you and others in my time covering boxing, it's it's a 591 00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:46,079 very nuanced sort of profession. It's an inexact science, and it's difficult, 592 00:37:46,159 --> 00:37:50,800 and there's a lot of pressures. There's demands from your promoter, there's demands 593 00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:53,760 from the fans, there's there's pressures from media. Can't take just a minute 594 00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:58,559 sort of if you could explain what what you actually do. What is like 595 00:37:58,679 --> 00:38:01,000 you sit down at the desk in the office and you know, they present 596 00:38:01,039 --> 00:38:05,800 to you, we got to put on this you know, uh X y 597 00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:08,000 Z on this card, and then you got to make the fights and just 598 00:38:08,079 --> 00:38:10,400 sort of briefly say, Okay, what do I do next? How do 599 00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:14,360 I go about making the fight? And we're talking about a lot of this 600 00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:17,599 younger guys. A lot of this is about the younger guys that don't have 601 00:38:19,079 --> 00:38:21,639 uh you know, they're not the champions. They were talking about young prospects 602 00:38:21,679 --> 00:38:24,840 and kids that are just getting started as you build them. Sure, well, 603 00:38:25,079 --> 00:38:29,440 first, let let me just also say a lot of this stuff. 604 00:38:30,079 --> 00:38:34,360 You know, where I got groomed into a full time matchmaker. I started 605 00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:40,960 out working at the Orleans Hotel and we did monthly fights there and I did 606 00:38:42,039 --> 00:38:49,039 that for about six years. And the difference between working a club show and 607 00:38:49,159 --> 00:38:54,480 then working for a major promotion um is at a club show. You know, 608 00:38:55,119 --> 00:39:00,079 you treat it like you're a fan and a fight that you want to 609 00:39:00,199 --> 00:39:04,480 see, So there's really not a lot of pressure. Um if a guy 610 00:39:04,559 --> 00:39:09,760 wins or loses, unless they're really really big ticket sellers and you know, 611 00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:15,239 then then then you can protect them. Um. But working for for a 612 00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:22,119 promoter such as top rank, um, you basically have to please the TV 613 00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:29,360 network by making you know, somewhat of a competitive fight, decent fight, 614 00:39:30,079 --> 00:39:35,840 you know, for the for the network and the fans. And also you 615 00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:42,880 can't you can't really you know, under maatch these guys even though you know 616 00:39:43,039 --> 00:39:46,920 you have to. So it's very it's very difficult as opposed to you know, 617 00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:51,679 you know, if you were just working at a club show, you 618 00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:54,880 have to you know, you're pleasing, You're pleasing to two sides here. 619 00:39:55,559 --> 00:39:59,960 So I always wondered this, how do you you've obviously had a huge amoun 620 00:40:00,199 --> 00:40:01,599 success, You've learned, like you mentioned, from some of the best in 621 00:40:01,679 --> 00:40:06,119 the business, how do you do it so consistently now you're not batting a 622 00:40:06,159 --> 00:40:07,880 thousand obviously, you've had top prospects that have maybe gotten beat once in a 623 00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:10,960 while, or you know, outcomes that were not what you thought or what 624 00:40:12,119 --> 00:40:15,280 you were hoping for. But more or less, you know, you get 625 00:40:15,360 --> 00:40:19,760 the guys to where they have to go, whether it's the opportunity to fight 626 00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:21,639 for a title, and then of course, once that is the case, 627 00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:24,559 you know you know what happens is going to happen. But you've done it, 628 00:40:24,639 --> 00:40:29,559 seems to me, I mean, dozens and dozens of prospects at least 629 00:40:29,639 --> 00:40:31,320 get to the point where you they get a chance to step up in a 630 00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:35,000 major fight. Then it's on them really to win or lose. Like you 631 00:40:35,039 --> 00:40:37,199 know, it's on them in the early stages also, but you're matching them 632 00:40:37,239 --> 00:40:40,320 in such a way where you know you're getting them the right experience. So 633 00:40:42,119 --> 00:40:45,000 just tell me a little bit about the the like what you can sider like 634 00:40:45,079 --> 00:40:47,760 the fine art of how you go about deciding a young kid who you should 635 00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:54,360 fight and what your expectations are. Well, the toughest part is at the 636 00:40:54,440 --> 00:41:02,400 beginning. Yeah, and that guys you know, have that ability and they 637 00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:07,880 can hold their own. There's certain guys that have a little bit more um 638 00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:13,320 and can stand up and fight a little bit more difficult than the next. 639 00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:19,159 But it'll give you a perfect example, you know, loman Chenko didn't need 640 00:41:19,360 --> 00:41:23,280 really needed to be protected or or shore Course Stevenson, you know, ke 641 00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:30,360 Sean Davis. These guys, you know, are very very advanced when they 642 00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:35,199 first started out as opposed to some other guys. Not taking away from their 643 00:41:35,559 --> 00:41:39,320 their ability, but they just needed to a little bit more grooming, I 644 00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:44,360 should say, more seasoning. A little bit more seasoning, Okay, like 645 00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:47,440 with the guys you mentioned, like Keishan Lomanchenko, Kor and I mean we 646 00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:51,800 could find others. You could be a little more aggressive matching them because they're 647 00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:53,679 going to move more quickly. That that's what I'm That's what I'm saying. 648 00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:59,519 Yeah, absolutely so. Also, let's let's take a moment just sort of 649 00:41:59,599 --> 00:42:01,239 let people know. I'm gonna read a little list here then I that I 650 00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:05,639 compiled and this is by no means everybody. This is just like guys that 651 00:42:05,719 --> 00:42:08,239 I thought of off the top of my head. Peep. These are fighters 652 00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:13,480 that you have been an integral part of making most of them from day one. 653 00:42:13,639 --> 00:42:15,760 Some of them maybe you got them with a couple of fights under their 654 00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:19,519 belt already, but basically you were making their matches and helped get them to 655 00:42:19,559 --> 00:42:22,559 the World Championships that they won. Hall of Fame careers that they had, 656 00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:28,320 Miguel Codo, Kelly Pavlock, Ivan Caldero and Mikey Garcia, Terrence Crawford, 657 00:42:28,639 --> 00:42:32,000 Loma Chenko, Shakor, Stevenson, Oscar Valdez, Tia Fimo Lopez, Jose 658 00:42:32,199 --> 00:42:37,559 Ramirez, Brandon Rios, Mike Alvarado, Juan Manuel Lopez, Steven Leebano, 659 00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:42,960 Mikhael Lemayer, on and on and on. It goes. How many world 660 00:42:43,079 --> 00:42:45,320 champions have you been involved with making? And I'm talking like whether it's like 661 00:42:45,599 --> 00:42:50,199 say pro debut or very early in their careers. I'm not talking about maybe 662 00:42:50,239 --> 00:42:53,000 a guy the top ranks signs who's already made fighter and you know you're there 663 00:42:53,039 --> 00:42:55,480 when they get the world title from the world title, but guys that you 664 00:42:55,800 --> 00:43:00,639 guys and gals that you've had pretty much from the early days. Oh wow, 665 00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:06,199 I think it's more than I lost count. You know, I just 666 00:43:06,480 --> 00:43:09,079 enjoy it, you know, watching them from day one, you know, 667 00:43:09,360 --> 00:43:14,480 and then becoming successful by winning a world title. That means more to me 668 00:43:14,599 --> 00:43:19,400 than anything. Was there a guy or or a female boxer that you worked 669 00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:22,960 with that that when you've signed them and you got a hold of them and 670 00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:25,800 you started doing their matches, like there was never a doubt in your mind, 671 00:43:27,199 --> 00:43:29,800 like you could be as aggressive as necessary, and you're like this, 672 00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:32,920 guys are going to win world titles and be top fighters. Oh absolutely, 673 00:43:34,119 --> 00:43:37,760 you know what. You know what with loman Chenko, even though he lost 674 00:43:37,199 --> 00:43:42,679 his second pro fight with Orlando Solito, you can see, you can see 675 00:43:42,719 --> 00:43:46,159 what he was made of then he just needed a few adjustments and he got 676 00:43:46,199 --> 00:43:50,320 that experience from that fight. You know he was going to be a champion, 677 00:43:50,360 --> 00:43:53,119 and he was right after that by beating Gary Russell. You know, 678 00:43:53,199 --> 00:43:58,519 it was Shakur Stevenson, you know. And Shakur he's the kind of guy 679 00:43:59,159 --> 00:44:06,039 that six th guaranteed be a thirty five pound world champion, and I'm confident 680 00:44:06,119 --> 00:44:08,519 to say he'll even go to forty and forty seven and win a title. 681 00:44:08,920 --> 00:44:14,280 He's remarkable the kid. Yeah, I don't I don't disagree with that assessment 682 00:44:14,320 --> 00:44:16,599 at all. Now on the con on the flip side of that, I'm 683 00:44:16,639 --> 00:44:21,440 sure there have been fighters that you signed at top rank where you know it 684 00:44:21,519 --> 00:44:23,519 was maybe a little more difficult, where maybe you had questions in your mind, 685 00:44:23,639 --> 00:44:27,079 like okay, you know, no matter what, you know, you 686 00:44:27,159 --> 00:44:30,039 were able to do in terms of the matchmaking, you still weren't quite sure 687 00:44:30,360 --> 00:44:34,840 could a guy get there, and they actually, because of their work, 688 00:44:34,960 --> 00:44:37,760 because of your work, they did get there. And it maybe surprised you 689 00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:39,320 a little bit that, like, you know, maybe originally you didn't think 690 00:44:39,320 --> 00:44:42,719 they were as good as they turned out to be. Can you name up 691 00:44:42,760 --> 00:44:45,679 maybe one or two of those guys? I mean, I can think of 692 00:44:45,760 --> 00:44:49,199 a guy right off, right off the top of my head, you know. 693 00:44:50,920 --> 00:44:55,440 I remember, like it was yesterday when Jose Ramirez for Amiramn ye and 694 00:44:57,199 --> 00:45:01,199 I was so scared of that fight, and I remember just saying, you 695 00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:05,559 know, just stay focused, stay focused. If you get hit, you 696 00:45:05,639 --> 00:45:07,000 know, keep your hands up, stay fold. Yeah yeah, yeah, 697 00:45:07,039 --> 00:45:08,519 yeah, I'm gonna do it. I'm gonna do it. I would do 698 00:45:08,519 --> 00:45:15,400 it. But he really really turned into somebody special, you know, by 699 00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:20,920 winning all these titles. Um at the beginning, you know, I was 700 00:45:21,039 --> 00:45:23,920 worried at first because you know, I'd heard a couple of times he got 701 00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:28,760 dropped by that Johnny Garcia. I remember that. So yeah, so you 702 00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:32,840 didn't he didn't expect him to, you know, go to Dallas, you 703 00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:37,119 know, and be you know, Maurice Hooker, and then you know, 704 00:45:37,360 --> 00:45:40,840 put up such a great fight with Josh Taylor and stuff, but you know 705 00:45:42,039 --> 00:45:45,920 he's something special and he'll win another title also. Now, one thing that 706 00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:47,880 you have, one thing that you have to do is as the matchmaker, 707 00:45:49,599 --> 00:45:52,599 you have to deal directly sometimes with the managers. With the fighters. You 708 00:45:52,719 --> 00:45:55,719 have to gain their trust. Obviously you know they've signed with top rank, 709 00:45:57,079 --> 00:46:00,119 but once they're signed with top rank, basically that those early days of their 710 00:46:00,159 --> 00:46:05,760 career are largely in your hands, like as you mold them by putting the 711 00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:08,920 opponents in front of them and doing right by them. Is it hard to 712 00:46:09,039 --> 00:46:13,159 gain that trust of the fighter and manager. You may not really know right 713 00:46:13,199 --> 00:46:16,840 off the bat. You've got to develop that relationship. Hey, you know, 714 00:46:17,519 --> 00:46:22,159 early on it wasn't It was very easy. Now it's a little bit 715 00:46:22,239 --> 00:46:28,599 harder. Everybody, you know, wants to be protected, except certain fighters 716 00:46:28,679 --> 00:46:32,679 that are willing to fight anybody. But I would say now it's a little 717 00:46:32,719 --> 00:46:37,760 bit more difficult, you know, gaining that trust. And because everybody so 718 00:46:37,119 --> 00:46:42,199 I don't want to say paranoid, but you know, they don't want to 719 00:46:42,239 --> 00:46:45,000 be considered like a B side type kind of guy, even though they're on 720 00:46:45,079 --> 00:46:49,400 the A side, you know, right, and right now Top Rank. 721 00:46:49,480 --> 00:46:51,480 You know, and I've said this for a while. I mean, it's 722 00:46:51,519 --> 00:46:52,679 not any secret, I mean to me, and there's a lot of great 723 00:46:52,679 --> 00:46:55,320 prospects in boxing and a lot of top promotion companies that have them. But 724 00:46:55,360 --> 00:47:00,440 it seems to me that that you guys at top rank have definitely the deepest 725 00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:02,440 group of guys out there. I mean being a couple of the you know, 726 00:47:02,519 --> 00:47:05,199 three or four of the guys that you're working with right now. We 727 00:47:05,239 --> 00:47:08,039 know about Keishan Davis, he's a prospect of the year, Jared Anderson a 728 00:47:08,119 --> 00:47:10,760 prospect of the year. How about a couple other guys more a tie who's 729 00:47:10,760 --> 00:47:15,159 obviously looked very good in you Got you got, Bruce Callington, you know 730 00:47:15,840 --> 00:47:22,880 who I'm very high on. I'm extremely high also on Abdullah Mason, eighteen 731 00:47:22,960 --> 00:47:27,079 year old kid out of Cleveland, Ohio. He's something special. You know, 732 00:47:27,199 --> 00:47:30,519 he reminds me of Shakoor. You know when when Shakoor first started. 733 00:47:31,239 --> 00:47:37,559 Um, let me see it. I mean there's there's so many you know, 734 00:47:37,840 --> 00:47:43,119 I like Tiger Johnson. Um, I like his lankiness, you know, 735 00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:46,719 I like his job. Um, you know, I'm you know this, 736 00:47:47,079 --> 00:47:51,880 I can't think of everybody, but we have about you know, you 737 00:47:51,960 --> 00:47:54,559 know, I'd say at least ten guys that were real, real high on 738 00:47:54,880 --> 00:47:59,840 definitely think that championship material, no question. Yeah, Now listen you all 739 00:48:00,039 --> 00:48:04,239 you mentioned you have certain guys you got to move at a certain you know. 740 00:48:04,639 --> 00:48:07,840 It seems to me top rank is giving you the leeway to move guys 741 00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:10,199 at a pace that you you know, and to you know, you and 742 00:48:10,320 --> 00:48:15,599 Bruce will discuss it or you and the other people at the company about how 743 00:48:15,719 --> 00:48:19,119 quickly how not so quickly to move a certain guy. But I always wonder, 744 00:48:19,400 --> 00:48:22,559 you know, do you get ever pressures from either Arum or Todd, 745 00:48:22,639 --> 00:48:25,719 the buff the present of the company, you know, because they've got money 746 00:48:25,760 --> 00:48:29,480 invested in the guy that they want you to move a little more quickly or 747 00:48:29,599 --> 00:48:31,519 they have a big investment, or are they basically for all the general times 748 00:48:31,559 --> 00:48:35,719 just kind of leave you alone and let you do your thing. They leave 749 00:48:35,760 --> 00:48:39,079 me, they leave us alone. Name Bruce M. Todd. Todd wants 750 00:48:39,159 --> 00:48:45,920 to put on solid you know fights um whether we you know, we have 751 00:48:45,039 --> 00:48:49,440 a lot of a lot of money invested. If they lose, you know, 752 00:48:49,760 --> 00:48:52,639 they lose, you know, doesn't mean it's the end of the world. 753 00:48:52,360 --> 00:48:54,679 Um, but Todd wants to, you know, please the network, 754 00:48:54,840 --> 00:49:00,280 and the ESPN is already pleased with the fights, and um, we have 755 00:49:00,360 --> 00:49:04,519 to keep continuing to do that. One thing I've sort of come to learn 756 00:49:04,679 --> 00:49:09,159 is while you're busy making those early day fights for the young guys and they 757 00:49:09,239 --> 00:49:13,280 kind of everybody leaves you alone and where the matchmaking is the most critical. 758 00:49:13,599 --> 00:49:15,159 Once they get to a certain level, they become a big attraction, they 759 00:49:15,199 --> 00:49:20,280 become a star, they become a champion. It seems like the matchmaking takes 760 00:49:20,280 --> 00:49:22,400 a little bit of a backseat. I'm not to say it's not important, 761 00:49:22,800 --> 00:49:25,440 but the pressure has become more related to like or we're selling tickets, we're 762 00:49:25,480 --> 00:49:29,639 doing TV ratings, we're selling pay per view. Do you sort of look 763 00:49:29,679 --> 00:49:30,760 at it like, once you get a guy to a certain level, the 764 00:49:30,880 --> 00:49:35,159 matchmaking is not as important as when a guy's three oh five and oh eight 765 00:49:35,199 --> 00:49:38,199 and oh nine and oh yeah, it's at the beginning. You're building them 766 00:49:38,280 --> 00:49:44,719 up to a certain to a certain point where it gets to the promoters and 767 00:49:44,760 --> 00:49:49,519 the TV you know, dealing with that. Um you know, like like 768 00:49:49,639 --> 00:49:52,599 I'll give you a perfect example, you know, like a Jared Anderson you 769 00:49:52,679 --> 00:49:59,159 know, he's at a level right now where you know, we built him 770 00:49:59,199 --> 00:50:02,840 to a certain point. Now it's really like the TV and you know, 771 00:50:04,000 --> 00:50:08,159 the higher ups like Jeremy and Todd and Carl you know, you know, 772 00:50:08,360 --> 00:50:13,960 to deal with the organizations and get him into a situation, you know where 773 00:50:14,039 --> 00:50:17,320 he can be either a mandatory or he fights for a title or a vacant 774 00:50:17,360 --> 00:50:22,679 title whatever. You know, Jared, you know, is somebody that I'm 775 00:50:23,239 --> 00:50:29,920 extremely excited about because if he's everything that we all think he can be, 776 00:50:30,840 --> 00:50:34,960 I think he's going to be so big. I think he's gonna be the 777 00:50:35,039 --> 00:50:37,719 biggest thing in boxing. Well. I mean a lot of people think he's 778 00:50:37,719 --> 00:50:39,320 the future heavyweight champion of the world. He certainly looked good. He's got 779 00:50:39,400 --> 00:50:44,119 that experience of working on the gym with Tyson Fury and maybe the guy that 780 00:50:44,239 --> 00:50:46,679 replaced him at some point when Fury decides to call it a day. Now. 781 00:50:46,760 --> 00:50:50,840 One thing, as I said, I've known you for a very long 782 00:50:50,920 --> 00:50:52,960 time. You've been a good friend of mine for a very long time. 783 00:50:53,199 --> 00:50:57,079 I know you're not a huge You're not huge on public speaking, So I 784 00:50:57,199 --> 00:50:59,920 wonder one of the things that I'm going to wrap this up, you go 785 00:51:00,119 --> 00:51:02,039 to the Hall of Fame. You're standing on that stage. There's gonna be 786 00:51:02,039 --> 00:51:06,039 a lot of great champions and a lot of great boxing people around me, 787 00:51:06,079 --> 00:51:07,800 a lot of fans in the stands, in the in the audience. Have 788 00:51:07,880 --> 00:51:10,199 you thought about what you're gonna say when you get up there, and you 789 00:51:10,320 --> 00:51:14,079 got a couple of minutes to sort of you know, we've taken a lot 790 00:51:14,119 --> 00:51:15,920 of time here to discuss your days and your career and everything. But then 791 00:51:15,960 --> 00:51:19,800 you've got a few minutes you talked to thought about what you're gonna say when 792 00:51:19,800 --> 00:51:23,079 you get inducted into the Hall. Oh? Absolutely, I mean I have 793 00:51:23,199 --> 00:51:28,480 it all said already. It's more more, you know, thanks for you 794 00:51:28,599 --> 00:51:32,360 know, the people that that really got me there. So it's really about 795 00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:37,719 them, not really about me or anything like that. And obviously, like 796 00:51:37,840 --> 00:51:40,800 I said, you know, you know, Bruce is gonna be getting you 797 00:51:40,920 --> 00:51:46,639 know, a nice little shout out obviously taught and Bob you know, forgiving 798 00:51:46,679 --> 00:51:52,480 me that opportunity as well. And you know, it's a combination of a 799 00:51:52,639 --> 00:51:57,559 ton of people that got me to where I am today. And you know, 800 00:51:57,760 --> 00:52:00,159 I can't forget you know, in top rank actually moved out to Las 801 00:52:00,280 --> 00:52:05,480 Vegas and eighty eight. I work with Ron Katz for quite a few years 802 00:52:05,519 --> 00:52:08,719 with Eddie Brenner, so I owe a ton of ton of ton of respect, 803 00:52:10,280 --> 00:52:14,280 you know to run. Hey, listen, I'll give a shout out 804 00:52:14,320 --> 00:52:16,239 Ron as a long time matchmaker who should be on the ballot at some point 805 00:52:16,320 --> 00:52:20,559 in Hall of Fame. Might no question. You have a ton of guys, 806 00:52:20,639 --> 00:52:27,840 Tom Brown, Ron Katsu, Alex Campanova, who does the shows for 807 00:52:27,960 --> 00:52:31,199 the Late you know, great tech, Ken Thompson. He does a remarkable 808 00:52:31,360 --> 00:52:36,280 job, you know, with the budget that he has, He's built champions 809 00:52:36,360 --> 00:52:39,559 before, you know, Robert Diaz. There's tons of guys. So that's 810 00:52:39,599 --> 00:52:44,679 why I say, I'm so humbled, you know, over this whole situation, 811 00:52:45,360 --> 00:52:47,320 because if it wasn't me, it could have been the next person. 812 00:52:47,679 --> 00:52:51,920 And they're going to have this shine whether it's next year or in two years. 813 00:52:52,360 --> 00:52:54,760 But there's a ton of guys out there, and I just thank everybody. 814 00:52:55,719 --> 00:52:58,760 Well, I thank you for being on with me today. Bradley, 815 00:52:58,840 --> 00:53:00,760 I wish you think about the best thing you make your speech, and I 816 00:53:00,840 --> 00:53:05,000 will miss you in New York on Sunday because you're gonna be off celebrating at 817 00:53:05,039 --> 00:53:06,760 the Hall of Fame. But thank you so much for doing this in the 818 00:53:06,840 --> 00:53:10,920 congratulations you got it, Dan, thanks again for everything, Thank you and 819 00:53:12,039 --> 00:53:15,480 again cool stuff. He will be part of the Hall of Fame. And 820 00:53:15,559 --> 00:53:17,400 again he was at your wedding as you mentioned, and you I like what 821 00:53:17,519 --> 00:53:21,599 you said before we ever played the interview back at the beginning of the podcast. 822 00:53:21,960 --> 00:53:25,440 You've known this guy even before you started covering boxing full time, going 823 00:53:25,559 --> 00:53:29,760 back some thirty years. So this gotta be a little special for one Dan 824 00:53:29,920 --> 00:53:34,920 Raphael. I'll tell you a quick story. The way I first encountered him 825 00:53:35,000 --> 00:53:37,639 was back in the day in the in the early days of the Internet. 826 00:53:37,960 --> 00:53:42,599 We both participated in a boxing message board and I was looking for some somebody 827 00:53:42,599 --> 00:53:45,920 to trade some videos with. And I was back in the old remember the 828 00:53:45,960 --> 00:53:49,800 old AOL instant messenger. Yes, say oh, I love that. I 829 00:53:49,960 --> 00:53:52,039 love Aol instant Messenger where it would just play. It was like the early 830 00:53:52,119 --> 00:53:55,280 text message. It would be blink on your AOL. So I was looking 831 00:53:55,320 --> 00:53:59,159 for some somebody to trade some videos. I had a modest collection at that 832 00:53:59,239 --> 00:54:02,440 time. The thing Jack the early part of the Rayfield Sickness on memorabilia collecting 833 00:54:02,519 --> 00:54:07,639 thirty years ago. Your trade I was already collecting the posters and programs back 834 00:54:07,679 --> 00:54:10,639 then, but I was looking for some videos and so again we had participated 835 00:54:10,679 --> 00:54:15,320 in the message board, and Brad hit me up on our instant message and 836 00:54:15,360 --> 00:54:19,679 we started to go back and forth about it and that so we would trade 837 00:54:20,000 --> 00:54:22,280 the messages on AOL and then it was like okay. Then we like finally 838 00:54:22,320 --> 00:54:25,239 exchanged phone numbers. A week we called each other up, we discussed it, 839 00:54:25,599 --> 00:54:28,199 and as it turned out, I was going to go to New York 840 00:54:28,199 --> 00:54:30,480 City to visit one of my good friends. I was living in Binghamton. 841 00:54:30,760 --> 00:54:32,079 Actually at the time, I was living in Saratoga. I was going to 842 00:54:32,159 --> 00:54:36,480 go to Binghamton rather to New York City to visit a friend of mine who 843 00:54:36,480 --> 00:54:38,599 lived in Manhattan. And at the time, Brad was living in Queens and 844 00:54:38,679 --> 00:54:40,639 I told him I was going to be in town, and it turned out 845 00:54:40,679 --> 00:54:44,239 that that was the weekend that I was going to be There was supposed to 846 00:54:44,280 --> 00:54:50,119 be the night that Evander Holyfield fought against Henry Akinwanda at Madison Square Guard Ultimately 847 00:54:50,199 --> 00:54:53,719 that card was canceled. Henry Akinwande had a positive test for hepatitis. Christy 848 00:54:53,800 --> 00:54:57,599 Martin's opponent was pregnant. It was like there was a good train wreck. 849 00:54:58,840 --> 00:55:00,119 But the fight got canceled. And just in case you want to know, 850 00:55:00,280 --> 00:55:05,400 yes, I have the poster in my collection even though card. Okay, 851 00:55:05,519 --> 00:55:07,400 yeah so, but I had so. But the thing is, Brad was 852 00:55:07,440 --> 00:55:09,800 going with some of his friends to the event and had said to me, 853 00:55:09,840 --> 00:55:12,320 since you're going to be in New York, you know, we have some 854 00:55:12,400 --> 00:55:14,199 neck. We have an extra ticket if you want to come with us, 855 00:55:14,519 --> 00:55:15,679 come to the fight with us. I was like thrilled. I was going 856 00:55:15,760 --> 00:55:17,599 to meet him in person for the first time. We're gonna go to the 857 00:55:17,639 --> 00:55:21,440 fights. It's gonna be a fun time. I'm also there visiting another friend 858 00:55:21,440 --> 00:55:23,159 of mine. But then the card got canceled, but I didn't cancel my 859 00:55:23,199 --> 00:55:25,360 trip because I was still going to see my friend. So Brad says, 860 00:55:25,360 --> 00:55:28,119 you know what, not no fight, but why don't you come up and 861 00:55:28,119 --> 00:55:29,920 see me in Queens. Will hang out, we'll get some lunch, we'll 862 00:55:29,920 --> 00:55:32,039 make some tapes out of his library. So that sounds a good, good 863 00:55:32,039 --> 00:55:35,119 idea. So I took the you know, the subway up to Queens. 864 00:55:35,159 --> 00:55:37,800 I met him, we had lunch, made some tapes in his apartment, 865 00:55:37,320 --> 00:55:39,840 hung out, for a bit. So that was like my introduction and you 866 00:55:39,920 --> 00:55:43,239 know, fast forward thirty years later. As you mentioned, we've been friends 867 00:55:43,280 --> 00:55:45,679 for many years. He was a guest at my wedding, I have stated, 868 00:55:45,679 --> 00:55:49,800 at his house in Las Vegas on a couple of occasions. You know, 869 00:55:50,079 --> 00:55:52,760 what can I say? So I was happy to on a more professional 870 00:55:52,840 --> 00:55:54,440 level do the interview with him. Let people hear about this. Uh, 871 00:55:54,760 --> 00:55:59,679 this guy that's been a stalwart in the boxing business for so long and is 872 00:55:59,760 --> 00:56:02,320 right taking his place in the International Boxing Hall of Fame comes Sunday. Love 873 00:56:02,400 --> 00:56:05,320 it with the rest of that Hall of Fame class. More on that late 874 00:56:05,360 --> 00:56:07,440 in a week, Dan, I'll be writing more about that on his substack. 875 00:56:07,480 --> 00:56:09,280 We'll have more on Bigfight Weekend dot com with the Hall of Fame stuff 876 00:56:09,360 --> 00:56:14,239 this weekend. All right, let's move on to some news, more news 877 00:56:14,400 --> 00:56:20,519 off the weekend here as we progress, Alexander USA a couple of different items. 878 00:56:20,559 --> 00:56:23,400 First of all, the defense with Daniel Dubois is moving back a couple 879 00:56:23,440 --> 00:56:27,760 of weeks to the end of August. Part of the motivation, a big 880 00:56:27,800 --> 00:56:31,159 part of the motivation is that they want this around Ukrainian Independence Day, which 881 00:56:31,239 --> 00:56:35,760 is August. The twenty fourth, so it's a slight change to move it 882 00:56:35,840 --> 00:56:37,960 back a couple of weeks from August the twelve to August the twenty six, 883 00:56:38,079 --> 00:56:43,559 still going to be in Poland, but also interesting that Usak has flown to 884 00:56:43,639 --> 00:56:47,239 Saudi Arabia and on Saturday was part of a press conference in Saudi Arabia where 885 00:56:47,280 --> 00:56:52,679 he is aligned as a co promoter with Skill Challenge Promotions, which if that 886 00:56:52,960 --> 00:56:57,800 sounds familiar, and even if it doesn't, they were involved previously in some 887 00:56:57,920 --> 00:57:00,719 other boxing promotions including the Jake Paul Tommy Fury fight. Okay, so what 888 00:57:00,800 --> 00:57:06,800 do you make of the date change? Usi Dubois and now it almost seems 889 00:57:06,880 --> 00:57:12,199 like this is a first step to getting the Tyson Fury fight done at some 890 00:57:12,400 --> 00:57:16,199 point in Saudi Arabia with him aligning with the Saudi Arabian back Skill Challenge Promotions. 891 00:57:16,280 --> 00:57:17,960 Dan Raphael, what do you make of all of it? Well, 892 00:57:19,039 --> 00:57:22,519 first of all, Usk was involved with them from the standpoint that even though 893 00:57:22,559 --> 00:57:25,239 he wasn't promoted by them, these are the same folks that were involved in 894 00:57:25,360 --> 00:57:31,280 bank rolling having his rematch against Anthony Joshua that took place in Saudi Arabia, 895 00:57:31,360 --> 00:57:34,199 that they were so that's how they sort of got to know each other to 896 00:57:34,280 --> 00:57:37,440 some degree. And obviously there's been a lot of conversation about a big heavyweight 897 00:57:37,519 --> 00:57:42,639 card with either one fighter, maybe two fights at the end of this year. 898 00:57:42,840 --> 00:57:45,360 And obviously if Usik is not part of their group along with you know 899 00:57:45,800 --> 00:57:50,159 his current promoter, you know, Alex Grassier from K two Promotions, that 900 00:57:50,320 --> 00:57:52,800 just sort of helps grease the wheels to make that happen. Obviously, I'm 901 00:57:52,800 --> 00:57:54,519 sure that part of that agreement was, you know, whatever terms or might 902 00:57:54,559 --> 00:57:59,599 be for that kind of fight, and that will probably help facilitate that, 903 00:57:59,599 --> 00:58:02,320 and even if it doesn't, it will help facilitate in having a defense in 904 00:58:02,400 --> 00:58:06,480 a location where they can have a lot of money at state because the Saudis 905 00:58:06,480 --> 00:58:08,320 are involved. So that's a good thing for USK as far as moving the 906 00:58:08,400 --> 00:58:14,440 fight from the data was scheduled for August of twelve to August of twenty sixth, 907 00:58:14,599 --> 00:58:16,360 because they're gonna have it now just a couple of done the same weekend, 908 00:58:16,360 --> 00:58:19,559 if you will, same you know, a couple of days after Ukraine 909 00:58:19,559 --> 00:58:22,079 Independence Day. I'm kind of surprised they didn't do that in the first place. 910 00:58:22,119 --> 00:58:22,920 If that was really part of their motivation. I mean, I was 911 00:58:23,000 --> 00:58:28,360 not personally aware of what the Ukraine Independence Day was, but that sounds kind 912 00:58:28,400 --> 00:58:30,639 of like an interest thing. It's kind of an interesting thing. It's kind 913 00:58:30,639 --> 00:58:32,559 of like, you know, in the United States, there's a loft and 914 00:58:32,639 --> 00:58:36,719 times a big event on in the in the second week of September, which 915 00:58:36,760 --> 00:58:39,159 is the Mexican Independence Day weekend, so there'll be a big Mexican themed fight. 916 00:58:39,199 --> 00:58:43,800 Obviously, Ukraine borders Poland. There's lots and lots of Polish folks that 917 00:58:44,079 --> 00:58:46,880 are Ukrainian folks that live in Poland. Many of them maybe have been displaced 918 00:58:46,880 --> 00:58:50,360 because of the war with Russia. So it's about as close as he can 919 00:58:50,400 --> 00:58:52,920 get the fighting at home. They're going to do it in the stadium in 920 00:58:52,000 --> 00:58:55,840 a war Claw, Poland, where has hosted a fight in the past. 921 00:58:55,920 --> 00:59:00,519 That was a major fight back in the day when Vitali Klitschko was the WBC 922 00:59:00,639 --> 00:59:05,880 heavyweight champion and he defended against the big polar star Thomas Adamec. And so 923 00:59:06,039 --> 00:59:08,239 yeah, good for them, they'll they'll make it into a Ukrainian event, 924 00:59:08,400 --> 00:59:13,719 I guess. And after that fight is over is when I guess the agreement 925 00:59:13,760 --> 00:59:17,480 with the folks that skill challenge begins, and hopefully it will help facilitate one 926 00:59:17,519 --> 00:59:21,920 of these big mega heavyweight fights, whether it's against Tyson Fury or somebody else, 927 00:59:21,960 --> 00:59:24,519 maybe Deonte Wither. We'll say, you gotta love US's comment through the 928 00:59:24,880 --> 00:59:30,039 through the interpreter, which was Tyson Fury doesn't want this fight, but we're 929 00:59:30,079 --> 00:59:32,960 gonna make it now because he's almost making chess moves. We're trying to connect 930 00:59:34,000 --> 00:59:38,159 it for the money in Saudi Arabia, and let's see what ends up happening 931 00:59:38,239 --> 00:59:42,559 with that, all right. A couple of other news items wrote about this 932 00:59:42,760 --> 00:59:47,880 on Sunday. I want Big Dan's thoughts on this. Dmitri Bevil's manager of 933 00:59:47,960 --> 00:59:55,039 a Deem cornellof gave an interview to ESPN Knockout, which is the Spanish version 934 00:59:57,320 --> 01:00:04,079 of their web cau Ridge to Chava Rodriguez Salvador Chava Rodriguez. So the subject 935 01:00:04,159 --> 01:00:08,519 matter was Cannelo Alvarez versus Beeble for September and cornal Off, the manager for 936 01:00:08,599 --> 01:00:15,920 Dmitri Beebole, basically says that at this point in the negotiations he characterized it 937 01:00:15,000 --> 01:00:19,800 as stupid. It is stupid what they're being offered, and to paraphrase, 938 01:00:19,840 --> 01:00:22,480 they're basically offering the same terms as the first fight, which we won, 939 01:00:23,280 --> 01:00:28,480 and so right now it's looking less and less likely like the Beebles side will 940 01:00:28,519 --> 01:00:30,760 agree now how much of this is posturing to get more money. Time will 941 01:00:30,800 --> 01:00:35,360 tell. Dan. What are your thoughts seeing those comments come out off the 942 01:00:35,400 --> 01:00:38,320 weekend. My thoughts is that even though Cannello Alvarez was the loser of the 943 01:00:38,360 --> 01:00:42,440 fight, he's the one with the leverage because he's the start and people was 944 01:00:42,480 --> 01:00:45,639 not. And as much as Beeble has got immense talent and I love him 945 01:00:45,840 --> 01:00:47,480 as a fighter and he's a good dude and all that, they just don't 946 01:00:47,519 --> 01:00:52,840 have the They don't have the leverage to force his hand because Cannello has the 947 01:00:52,000 --> 01:00:57,960 opportunity to do any number of other fights where he can fight pretty much anybody, 948 01:00:58,679 --> 01:01:00,239 and they don't have that type of option. So I don't know what 949 01:01:00,320 --> 01:01:05,679 the offer is, but I believe he made in the like whatever was like 950 01:01:06,039 --> 01:01:08,679 five six million dollar range or something along those lines when they fought the fight 951 01:01:08,760 --> 01:01:12,960 that took place last year. So if he's being offered in that same sort 952 01:01:13,000 --> 01:01:15,400 of ballpark, I mean, is there some other fight in that exists in 953 01:01:15,480 --> 01:01:19,159 the world where he can make that kind of money. I would say the 954 01:01:19,199 --> 01:01:22,159 answer is absolutely not so. I mean, and that even includes if he 955 01:01:22,239 --> 01:01:25,679 were to fight a better BF or whoever, especially especially because you talked to 956 01:01:25,840 --> 01:01:30,719 Dmitri bo Bole and a cornelof Cornilov joined in on the interview earlier this year, 957 01:01:31,000 --> 01:01:36,840 and Kornilov admitted to you they were having talks about a better BF undisputed 958 01:01:36,880 --> 01:01:39,239 title fight for this summer, this time frame, and what was the hold 959 01:01:39,320 --> 01:01:44,159 up. There's not money, There's not significant money to make it happen. 960 01:01:44,320 --> 01:01:47,119 Is in his words, it was not serious. It was not serious money 961 01:01:47,239 --> 01:01:50,639 for that to fight. The other thing about that, by the way, 962 01:01:50,719 --> 01:01:53,280 is better BF had a mandatory which is now going to take place against against 963 01:01:53,320 --> 01:01:57,719 Calum Smith. That's been announced, that's taking place this summer, and if 964 01:01:57,719 --> 01:02:00,360 you wanted to be it for undisputed, whether you agree with it or disagree 965 01:02:00,360 --> 01:02:02,920 with that, the WBC is very steadfast and saying they're not going to sanction 966 01:02:04,000 --> 01:02:07,760 Bevole to fight for the WBC title because they're they're keeping up with their their 967 01:02:07,840 --> 01:02:12,280 ruling about a Russian fighters fighting for their titles. Now you can say, 968 01:02:12,320 --> 01:02:15,119 well, better BF is also Russian, but the reality is better BF has 969 01:02:15,159 --> 01:02:17,599 lived and trained and is a citizen of Canada for the past fifteen years, 970 01:02:19,320 --> 01:02:22,719 so you know, he's sort of not in that same boat that's there. 971 01:02:22,920 --> 01:02:27,800 That's what they've decided to do. So the better BF fight, in my 972 01:02:27,880 --> 01:02:30,239 opinion, was never like a realistic thing, and it wouldn't pay him that 973 01:02:30,280 --> 01:02:32,639 kind of money anyway. So look, they're gonna have to go through the 974 01:02:32,719 --> 01:02:36,960 process and negotiate and you know, try to get the best deal they can. 975 01:02:37,000 --> 01:02:38,199 I don't know if this is a matter of Cannello trying to force their 976 01:02:38,239 --> 01:02:43,280 hand to have him stay at light heavywey, because Cannello was position is of 977 01:02:43,360 --> 01:02:45,760 I'm going to do this rematch. I wanted to be at one seventy five 978 01:02:45,119 --> 01:02:49,280 where I lost in the first place. So people can't say I forced him 979 01:02:49,280 --> 01:02:51,880 to one sixty and wait trained him. You know, I don't know if 980 01:02:51,880 --> 01:02:55,159 I believe that. But the point is any big fight negotiations are never easy, 981 01:02:55,559 --> 01:03:00,239 particularly when one side has like ninety five percent of the leverage the other 982 01:03:00,280 --> 01:03:02,199 guy doesn't. And you know, again I'm not knocking the b ball team, 983 01:03:02,199 --> 01:03:05,960 but they I don't know if they necessarily thought this through because they've not 984 01:03:06,239 --> 01:03:09,000 really done anything to try to get another fight. They thought they might get 985 01:03:09,039 --> 01:03:13,280 better be it, but that quickly was not happening. So what have they 986 01:03:13,360 --> 01:03:15,360 been doing? Since? You can't just put all your eggs in the Canelo 987 01:03:15,400 --> 01:03:20,079 basket. He's the world champion you know of the w B A light haveyweight. 988 01:03:20,280 --> 01:03:22,719 He's also on the pound for pound list. You got to go out 989 01:03:22,719 --> 01:03:24,719 there and try to make something of your own. Don't go chasing Canello. 990 01:03:24,960 --> 01:03:30,079 Try to create something on your own, and that has not obviously at this 991 01:03:30,159 --> 01:03:32,440 point, hasn't been fruitful. You know, how often do you see the 992 01:03:32,559 --> 01:03:37,719 guy that won, in essence is kind of the one begging for the rematch 993 01:03:37,159 --> 01:03:43,119 even though he won well, and it only leads to okay, what else 994 01:03:43,239 --> 01:03:45,719 is out there? And just real quick, Joshua Buautsi is the number one 995 01:03:45,840 --> 01:03:51,760 contender for the WBA and how lucrative is that? Are you going to probably 996 01:03:51,840 --> 01:03:54,320 have to go fight him in England to make decent money? I mean, 997 01:03:54,840 --> 01:03:58,480 yeah, A couple of things about that. Number One, not a lot 998 01:03:58,519 --> 01:04:00,079 of money in that fight, right number who probably would have to go fight 999 01:04:00,159 --> 01:04:02,800 him in England for that? Although I don't think that's a problem. I 1000 01:04:02,840 --> 01:04:06,559 mean, Beboll has fought in the UK before he was certainly had no problem 1001 01:04:06,679 --> 01:04:10,920 fighting Canello in Las Vegas, where you know that's sort of like his town 1002 01:04:11,000 --> 01:04:15,679 relatively speaking. It's even more difficult now with Bulatzi because it's one thing because 1003 01:04:15,760 --> 01:04:18,800 Bible is aligned with Matchroom Boxing and Buatzi was with Matchroom Boxing, but they 1004 01:04:18,880 --> 01:04:24,360 broke up recently. Now he's fighting for the level promoter in the UK with 1005 01:04:24,519 --> 01:04:28,840 Boxer on Sky Sports, so it just adds another layer of difficulty to making 1006 01:04:28,880 --> 01:04:31,440 them match. Frankly, let's be honest, Buatzi was so boring in his 1007 01:04:31,599 --> 01:04:34,039 last fight that I think he turned a lot of people off. That was 1008 01:04:34,119 --> 01:04:39,199 his debut for Boxer. There's no public demand for the fight between beeble and 1009 01:04:39,519 --> 01:04:42,559 and Buwatzi whatsoever. I mean, no knock on Bulatzi, but I don't 1010 01:04:42,599 --> 01:04:45,360 think anybody would would. I mean, if it happens, okay, no 1011 01:04:45,519 --> 01:04:48,239 problem, Buatzi would be a huge underdog. I mean, is that a 1012 01:04:48,280 --> 01:04:51,079 big fight. I don't think so. So you know, look down the 1013 01:04:51,159 --> 01:04:54,480 rankings and see who else is out there. If you know the thing about 1014 01:04:54,480 --> 01:04:58,079 the light heavyweight division, there's not another unification fight to make because a better 1015 01:04:58,119 --> 01:05:00,320 BA has got three of the titles and Bible's got fourth, so your choices 1016 01:05:00,360 --> 01:05:04,199 are you can I guess theoretically could could maybe do Boazzi. That's hard, 1017 01:05:05,039 --> 01:05:08,599 h Cannello. Obviously we've discussed what the issues are. I mean, what 1018 01:05:08,719 --> 01:05:11,840 else is there? I mean, is he gonna do a Rema's gonna be 1019 01:05:12,079 --> 01:05:15,559 already Ramirez, who was the at that time the number one for the w 1020 01:05:15,800 --> 01:05:19,800 BA unbeaten. You beat him, so he's probably not coming. He's probably 1021 01:05:19,800 --> 01:05:23,599 not gonna fight again at light heavyweight anyway. Zerdo Ramrez will probably be a 1022 01:05:23,639 --> 01:05:27,360 cruiserweight when he comes back. Joe Smith, the former champion, he already 1023 01:05:27,480 --> 01:05:30,599 beat him. Uh, there's no great demand for that fight, and Joe 1024 01:05:30,679 --> 01:05:32,320 hasn't fought since. Are there better be a you know, smoked him in 1025 01:05:32,320 --> 01:05:35,079 a couple arounds last summer, So I mean we can go on down that 1026 01:05:35,159 --> 01:05:40,039 list. There's not a lot of options in the light heavyweight division for him 1027 01:05:40,079 --> 01:05:43,239 to fight, so it would behoove him to figure out a way to get 1028 01:05:43,280 --> 01:05:46,679 the deal done with Caneloum and listen. In my opinion, if he doesn't 1029 01:05:46,679 --> 01:05:50,360 get the deal done with Canello, unfortunate for Bebo. But hopefully that means 1030 01:05:50,400 --> 01:05:56,719 that there's gonna be some interest in Canello maybe looking towards the David Benevidi's a 1031 01:05:56,840 --> 01:05:59,920 fight where there's been an offer made on the Benavides side, and maybe they 1032 01:06:00,079 --> 01:06:01,400 can get that worked out, because that's the best fight. That's the biggest 1033 01:06:01,400 --> 01:06:03,800 fight. I mean, I don't care what anybody says. I mean, 1034 01:06:03,880 --> 01:06:08,039 I'll die in this hill. The biggest fight in the super middleweight division, 1035 01:06:08,119 --> 01:06:11,559 bar none, One of the biggest fights in boxing, bar none, is 1036 01:06:11,639 --> 01:06:16,679 Canelo Alvarez defending the undisputed super meddleweight title against the undefeated interim title holder Mexican 1037 01:06:16,760 --> 01:06:21,360 American against Mexican national Cannelo Alvarez. That is a huge fight. That's a 1038 01:06:21,480 --> 01:06:26,039 great fight in the ring. It's a great promotion. Showtime will do a 1039 01:06:26,159 --> 01:06:29,119 knock up, bang up job on that promotion like they do on these big 1040 01:06:29,199 --> 01:06:34,320 fights. That to me, it dwarfs the interest. But I'll make this 1041 01:06:34,400 --> 01:06:38,440 point if Cannello, he's at a stage of his career were because he's made 1042 01:06:38,480 --> 01:06:42,440 so much money that if he decides I want the Beeble fight more than anything, 1043 01:06:43,000 --> 01:06:45,400 that's his progative. He wants to take less money, fine with me, 1044 01:06:45,599 --> 01:06:48,920 But I mean he says he wants to fight the fights the public wants. 1045 01:06:49,199 --> 01:06:53,519 I believe, in my interaction with boxing fans on a daily basis, 1046 01:06:53,599 --> 01:06:57,360 plus my own thoughts and many others I have talked to in this business, 1047 01:06:57,880 --> 01:07:00,719 the biggest and the best fight for Canelo Alvaretz this exact moment in time is 1048 01:07:00,760 --> 01:07:05,039 to fight David Denabids, not the meet your Beeble. I agree with you, 1049 01:07:05,440 --> 01:07:10,360 and we'll see if the negotiations come back around and Beeble gets a little 1050 01:07:10,400 --> 01:07:13,519 more of what he wants. I think the bigger hang up and then we're 1051 01:07:13,519 --> 01:07:16,800 about to move on is what weight is the fight had at? Because I 1052 01:07:16,920 --> 01:07:21,400 think Beevil from their standpoint, I totally understand the mentality. What do we 1053 01:07:21,519 --> 01:07:25,440 have to prove again by fighting you at light heavyweight and beating you again? 1054 01:07:25,559 --> 01:07:29,840 We already did that. What we would want is okay, step back to 1055 01:07:29,960 --> 01:07:33,079 one sixty eight and beat you there and get all the titles at one sixty 1056 01:07:33,119 --> 01:07:36,800 eight. That would be a bigger deal for the Beevil camp to prove something 1057 01:07:36,920 --> 01:07:42,360 so wants to get. He wants to do it out to seventy five pound 1058 01:07:42,400 --> 01:07:45,440 weight so we can't be accused of weight training Beeble. If there's a way 1059 01:07:45,519 --> 01:07:48,519 to overcome that you can't overcome the weight's going to be the weight. What 1060 01:07:48,639 --> 01:07:54,840 you could do if if the biggest thing for Beevil is I want to also 1061 01:07:54,920 --> 01:07:59,880 be undisputed champion and Canello wants to fight for the light heavyweight title. I 1062 01:08:00,039 --> 01:08:02,039 know this doesn't change what the number on the scale will be for the weight. 1063 01:08:02,440 --> 01:08:06,239 They could do a thing where they fight at one sixty eight and they 1064 01:08:06,320 --> 01:08:10,599 fight for all of Cannello's belts and they also put the Beeball title up. 1065 01:08:10,880 --> 01:08:14,239 That would not be unprecedented. It happened when Ray Leonard fought Don Lalan Yes 1066 01:08:14,559 --> 01:08:17,960 for the super middleweight and for the light heavyweight title. It happened when Gervati 1067 01:08:18,079 --> 01:08:23,239 Davis and Leo Santa Cruz fought Had one hundred and thirty and they put the 1068 01:08:23,319 --> 01:08:27,039 thirty five pound title at stake. Also, it's not unprecedented, and that 1069 01:08:27,199 --> 01:08:31,359 might be one way to work it out. But Cannello would have to be 1070 01:08:31,479 --> 01:08:34,479 willing to not go to one seventy five, and then be Ball would have 1071 01:08:34,560 --> 01:08:38,279 to be still willing to fight at one sixty eight. I mean, otherwise 1072 01:08:38,920 --> 01:08:43,600 there's no there's no catchweight because it's either one title or the other, and 1073 01:08:43,680 --> 01:08:47,239 he doesn't wantchweight. The issue. The issue is not going up to one 1074 01:08:47,479 --> 01:08:50,960 seventy five for light heavyweight. The issue is you can't fight for his titles 1075 01:08:51,000 --> 01:08:55,279 at one sixty eight if you're weighing above one sixty eight. That's what you're 1076 01:08:55,319 --> 01:08:57,960 saying, That's what we get. We'll see what they decide to do there 1077 01:08:57,960 --> 01:09:00,000 with Beeble, a couple of other news items, some nostalgia, and then 1078 01:09:00,079 --> 01:09:04,000 we're done on what's been a busy recap podcast. Tim Zoo by the way, 1079 01:09:04,039 --> 01:09:08,359 since last year and I talked, we theorize that at some point this 1080 01:09:08,520 --> 01:09:12,720 weekend he would be heard from publicly. He has. He says he fully 1081 01:09:12,840 --> 01:09:15,680 intends to still fight two weekends from now, not this coming weekend, but 1082 01:09:15,960 --> 01:09:20,399 on the seventeenth in the US, the eighteenth Sunday afternoon in Australia, after 1083 01:09:20,640 --> 01:09:26,239 literally a dog bite, and not just an insignificant dog bite, and there's 1084 01:09:26,239 --> 01:09:30,439 still legitimate concern. I would think as Sunday becomes Monday, Monday becomes Tuesday, 1085 01:09:30,520 --> 01:09:35,039 that everything's still okay. There's no infection, he's taking antibiotics for the 1086 01:09:35,159 --> 01:09:40,439 dog bite and everything else that is associated with whatever happened. But he at 1087 01:09:40,560 --> 01:09:43,720 least proclaimed this weekend I intend to defend and I'm going to be good, 1088 01:09:43,720 --> 01:09:45,239 and I'm even back training and I'm able to use the right hand. So 1089 01:09:45,399 --> 01:09:47,640 for what it's worth, there we go. Dan. He said he was 1090 01:09:47,680 --> 01:09:50,439 in training like on the Monday. I mean, and obviously the surgery wasn't 1091 01:09:50,479 --> 01:09:54,640 super serious, but he still had some kind of procedure. He's still from 1092 01:09:54,680 --> 01:09:59,000 what the tim Zoo team Ted said to me. I exchanged emails with a 1093 01:09:59,079 --> 01:10:01,319 member of his team who said to me that he had twenty six stitches to 1094 01:10:01,439 --> 01:10:04,079 close the wound. So that's not in my mind, twenty six stitches in 1095 01:10:04,159 --> 01:10:09,000 your forearm, in your right for him, that is not insignificant. But 1096 01:10:09,600 --> 01:10:12,680 boxers are often built differently than normal people, so that's one thing. He 1097 01:10:12,760 --> 01:10:15,319 must have a bigger threshold for pain and all. I can't imagine he's actually 1098 01:10:15,800 --> 01:10:20,239 using his right hand with any serious way. I guess over the last few 1099 01:10:20,279 --> 01:10:24,680 days. I gotta have to let a hill a little bit. But he's 1100 01:10:24,680 --> 01:10:26,680 gonna go through with the fight. I don't know if it's the smartest thing 1101 01:10:26,680 --> 01:10:29,399 in the world. I mean, you're kind of not showing any respect to 1102 01:10:29,439 --> 01:10:31,479 all Campo. You're saying you can basically beat him one handed. But I 1103 01:10:31,560 --> 01:10:33,920 mean it is what it is. On the right hand, I'm just laughing 1104 01:10:33,960 --> 01:10:36,680 because I'm thinking because this is the way that I think. I'm thinking about 1105 01:10:36,720 --> 01:10:42,319 those old British comedies Monty Python the movies and the one the one where the 1106 01:10:42,479 --> 01:10:45,439 night has his arms cut off and blood squirting and it's just obvious lapstick and 1107 01:10:45,520 --> 01:10:48,800 he's saying it's just a flesh wound. I can continue, it's just a 1108 01:10:48,880 --> 01:10:53,159 flesh wound for Tim Zoo. I think I'll throw that in on the podcast, 1109 01:10:53,520 --> 01:10:56,600 just a flesh run on the dogpit. If Tim Zoo does in fact 1110 01:10:56,760 --> 01:10:59,720 wind up going through with the fight against Carlisle Campo, which it seems like 1111 01:10:59,800 --> 01:11:01,039 that is going to be the case, and if he does lose, I 1112 01:11:01,039 --> 01:11:03,520 don't want to hear any excuses. We all you know this is you've made 1113 01:11:03,560 --> 01:11:06,399 the decision. Yes. And by the way, I think the biggest thing 1114 01:11:06,439 --> 01:11:11,079 also will be coming up this you know this week is when he's supposed to 1115 01:11:11,119 --> 01:11:15,359 have the stitches removed. I guess right, so that will probably there'll be 1116 01:11:15,520 --> 01:11:19,159 some more glue from that. And by the way, I know of cases 1117 01:11:19,319 --> 01:11:23,800 this is in pro sports stuff that I've covered. I know people with this. 1118 01:11:23,960 --> 01:11:27,279 This is not Dan, just as simple as okay, you have the 1119 01:11:27,399 --> 01:11:30,760 stitches out all the time and there's no complications. There can be complications even 1120 01:11:30,800 --> 01:11:34,479 if you have the stitches out. So we're not trying to overdramatize this. 1121 01:11:34,640 --> 01:11:39,600 Maybe it's not that big a deal, Tim Zusa Fine time will tell they're 1122 01:11:39,640 --> 01:11:43,920 doing it in a what it's called the Gold Coast Convention and Exhibition Center in 1123 01:11:44,399 --> 01:11:45,640 the on the Gold Coast of Australia, in a place called broad Beach. 1124 01:11:45,680 --> 01:11:50,159 And if I watched the media availability which this promotion team sent out so you 1125 01:11:50,239 --> 01:11:54,000 could see what he said about it, and he was there with George Rose, 1126 01:11:54,000 --> 01:11:56,760 who's the promoter, and George was saying, look, we are the 1127 01:11:56,840 --> 01:11:59,279 building is sold out. I mean he's a big draw, as we've discussed 1128 01:11:59,279 --> 01:12:01,800 in Australia, so he is a big event for them. So if he's 1129 01:12:01,920 --> 01:12:08,119 ready to go, I guess he's ready to get And when is this is? 1130 01:12:08,560 --> 01:12:11,720 Have him come through if you can and get Charlo healed up and ready 1131 01:12:11,760 --> 01:12:14,600 to go so they can finally meet in that long away to fight between And 1132 01:12:15,119 --> 01:12:19,199 to your point, the the WBO in his case has already said, Charlo, 1133 01:12:19,319 --> 01:12:23,039 you've got to fight him by what is a date certain September thirtieth. 1134 01:12:23,039 --> 01:12:26,039 I think at the end of the month September, you gotta be you gotta 1135 01:12:26,119 --> 01:12:30,399 be there by September. You got to have a world title fight and follow 1136 01:12:30,439 --> 01:12:33,359 through with Zoo or we're going to elevate him and call him the WBO champ 1137 01:12:33,439 --> 01:12:38,720 and strip you. So it all goes into motion. Hopefully this fight happens 1138 01:12:38,760 --> 01:12:41,239 and we'll see what happens on a right. Showtime has made a couple of 1139 01:12:41,319 --> 01:12:45,159 other boxing announcements. I saw you, I saw you put this on the 1140 01:12:45,239 --> 01:12:48,199 run now, um, And I thought, are we ever going to hear 1141 01:12:48,279 --> 01:12:51,880 from the other Charlo, Jamal Charlo who told anybody that would listen for like 1142 01:12:53,000 --> 01:12:56,079 the last ninety days that he's fighting this summer. When is he fighting? 1143 01:12:56,239 --> 01:12:59,199 Because there's not an announcement of when Jamal Charlo is fighting. That's not in 1144 01:12:59,279 --> 01:13:01,680 these announcements, right, don't tease me. This is not a Jamal Charlowe 1145 01:13:02,000 --> 01:13:05,119 announcement for July, right or any of that. It isn't. And then 1146 01:13:05,159 --> 01:13:09,199 these these fights I'm going to talk about are not announcements that Showtime has made. 1147 01:13:09,199 --> 01:13:13,920 They haven't made these. This is a combination of reporting. I have 1148 01:13:14,039 --> 01:13:18,079 done. Others have reported also. The let's start with the first one. 1149 01:13:18,119 --> 01:13:20,800 The first one is the return of Jeron Boots Ennis, who is now the 1150 01:13:20,920 --> 01:13:26,720 IBF Interim welterweight title holder. That that belt was made available because of the 1151 01:13:27,119 --> 01:13:30,520 waiting game on Spence and Crawford. The IBF fight broke their rules basically, 1152 01:13:30,720 --> 01:13:32,600 but allowed him to fight for the vacant interim title. He won that belt 1153 01:13:33,159 --> 01:13:38,239 on the undercard when Tank Davis had to fight against Hector Louise Carcia back in 1154 01:13:38,359 --> 01:13:41,880 January. That took place in Washington, d C. And another fight that 1155 01:13:42,000 --> 01:13:45,800 was on that card was Raymind. Villa had a victory on that card also 1156 01:13:45,079 --> 01:13:48,800 when he had a twelve round decision against Rashid Ellis. So the two of 1157 01:13:48,880 --> 01:13:54,359 them won on the same card with each other. Now boots Ennis is going 1158 01:13:54,399 --> 01:13:58,039 to make that first interim defense against Villa, and that is a fight that's 1159 01:13:58,039 --> 01:14:00,960 supposed to headline on Showtime on July eighth, that will take place at the 1160 01:14:01,039 --> 01:14:05,800 Borgotic Casino in Atlantic City. And so, like I said, I reported 1161 01:14:05,840 --> 01:14:10,439 it, my friends, a boxing scene reported it, and then like soon 1162 01:14:10,520 --> 01:14:14,760 after we all reported it, he had boots Tennis even though Showtime had announced 1163 01:14:14,760 --> 01:14:19,079 it PBC had announced it. He had Boots Tennis on his Twitter feed saying 1164 01:14:19,119 --> 01:14:24,800 I'm fighting this fight on July eighth on Showtime. So that fight again, 1165 01:14:24,840 --> 01:14:28,079 it's not officially announced, but I'm telling you the fight's made and it's gonna 1166 01:14:28,079 --> 01:14:30,079 happen July. And we listened to you, and we listen to you for 1167 01:14:30,159 --> 01:14:32,399 this reason. Let me give you one quick take from me. I want 1168 01:14:32,479 --> 01:14:35,560 your opinion. I think this is the most dangerous guy that doesn't have a 1169 01:14:35,640 --> 01:14:40,960 title at one forty seven. You mentioned the IBF interim thing, but Boots 1170 01:14:41,039 --> 01:14:45,439 Ennis is the most dangerous guy in that division for whomever wins, Spence, 1171 01:14:45,479 --> 01:14:48,199 Quawford or anybody else. My opinion, your take, I mean, that's 1172 01:14:48,239 --> 01:14:50,399 not an unreasonable take. I mean, he's got the interim title, He's 1173 01:14:50,399 --> 01:14:54,359 an undefeated fighter at thirty and zero, He's only twenty five years old, 1174 01:14:54,399 --> 01:14:57,520 He's got twenty seven KOs. He's been one of the top young fighters in 1175 01:14:57,600 --> 01:15:01,279 boxing for years. He has got an exposure on Showtime. He hasn't had 1176 01:15:01,319 --> 01:15:04,920 a very active schedule of the last couple of years, partly pandemic related. 1177 01:15:04,920 --> 01:15:09,399 Partly because once you get to the position as a number one contender, unfortunately 1178 01:15:09,439 --> 01:15:13,159 things slowed down a bit while you wait for that mandatory fight. But the 1179 01:15:13,319 --> 01:15:15,640 thing is that the winner of the fight between Errol Spence and Terrence Crawford, 1180 01:15:15,840 --> 01:15:18,439 in my opinion and certainly at least in the welterweight division, will never fight 1181 01:15:18,479 --> 01:15:23,279 Boots Ennis because two things will happen. Either A, the winner of that 1182 01:15:23,439 --> 01:15:27,159 fight is going to be obligated to fight the loser in a mandated rematch if 1183 01:15:27,159 --> 01:15:30,920 the loser opts to invoke that right, and if that does happen, they'll 1184 01:15:30,960 --> 01:15:33,680 fight again. If it doesn't happen, then I think it's very obvious that 1185 01:15:33,800 --> 01:15:36,880 both Spence and Crawford are going to go to one fifty four and leave the 1186 01:15:36,960 --> 01:15:41,640 welterweight division to the younger guy, so to call, Boots, and it's 1187 01:15:41,680 --> 01:15:45,680 the best, most dangerous guy lurking in the weight class other than Crawford and 1188 01:15:45,720 --> 01:15:46,840 Spence is not. I don't think you're going out on a limb there. 1189 01:15:47,119 --> 01:15:49,600 What I thought you're going to say is that Via looks like maybe his best 1190 01:15:49,640 --> 01:15:54,439 opponent, which, based on the way he performed against Rashidi Ellis, I 1191 01:15:54,520 --> 01:15:57,960 think is probably the case. Now he won a split decision was awfully close, 1192 01:15:58,039 --> 01:16:00,479 but Via showed he's got something about him. He's only got one defeat, 1193 01:16:00,600 --> 01:16:04,359 not a big puncher, so that seems like a reasonable fight. It's 1194 01:16:04,399 --> 01:16:09,199 not a hugely expensive fight, you know, but it's it's a nice fight. 1195 01:16:09,239 --> 01:16:12,680 By fighting in Atlantic City, he's fighting right near his hometown of Philadelphia. 1196 01:16:12,680 --> 01:16:15,680 It's about thirty minutes by car to go from Philly to the Borgata, 1197 01:16:15,000 --> 01:16:17,159 which, by the way, hasn't done a lot of boxing. I've covered 1198 01:16:17,159 --> 01:16:19,439 a fight there. They did a fight in their ballroom years ago. I 1199 01:16:19,479 --> 01:16:23,199 think they've only hosted maybe a couple of smaller cards over the years. But 1200 01:16:23,319 --> 01:16:26,680 one big card they were involved with was not in there on their property, 1201 01:16:26,680 --> 01:16:29,560 took place at Boardwalk Hall, but they were the host hotel and that was 1202 01:16:29,640 --> 01:16:33,239 the which was a big fight at the time, was when Bernard Hopkins defeated 1203 01:16:33,279 --> 01:16:40,399 Antonio Tarver. It's a beautiful hotel and hopefully they draw nice crowd from Philly 1204 01:16:40,439 --> 01:16:43,760 for that fight. The other fight that I wanted to talk about, which 1205 01:16:43,800 --> 01:16:47,159 again not officially announced, but in my reporting this is happening. The Arrow 1206 01:16:47,239 --> 01:16:51,159 Spence protege, the lightweight Frank Martin, who had the big win at the 1207 01:16:51,239 --> 01:16:56,640 end of last year against Michelle Rivera when they were two undefeated fighters taking each 1208 01:16:56,640 --> 01:17:00,199 other on. Who's now seventeen and oh with twelve knockouts? He is going 1209 01:17:00,239 --> 01:17:01,720 to be fighting in a what is going to be a I believe it's a 1210 01:17:02,079 --> 01:17:08,720 semi final liminator of the WBC taken on a former Olympian name artem Hears hard 1211 01:17:08,800 --> 01:17:14,560 name to pronounce heart a tunion right now, Lana. He is a Germany 1212 01:17:14,640 --> 01:17:17,000 based fighter. He is from Armenia. He's never fought outside of a Germany, 1213 01:17:17,039 --> 01:17:19,319 but he had a decorated amateur career, was in the Olympic Games. 1214 01:17:19,560 --> 01:17:23,359 So that will be a fight. Though beyond Showtime again, the date is 1215 01:17:23,359 --> 01:17:25,840 not one hundred percent. They're still dealing with what that's going to be. 1216 01:17:25,880 --> 01:17:30,000 It's either going to be July fifteenth or July twenty second. Those have been 1217 01:17:30,039 --> 01:17:31,640 two dates that have been sort of in the offing for a while. When 1218 01:17:31,640 --> 01:17:34,600 I spoke to Derek James a couple of weeks ago, he mentioned that Frank 1219 01:17:34,640 --> 01:17:38,319 would be fighting in July. He thought it would be the fifteenth. I 1220 01:17:38,359 --> 01:17:41,000 think Showtime is trying to figure out what they want to do. They're loading 1221 01:17:41,079 --> 01:17:45,560 up the schedule partly because they've got some obligations partly because they want to get 1222 01:17:45,600 --> 01:17:49,600 in some fights prior to the beginning of the big schedule of other sports that 1223 01:17:49,720 --> 01:17:55,199 take place in the fall with baseball playoffs and the NFL and college football, 1224 01:17:55,239 --> 01:17:58,680 etc. Beginning of the NHLNBA, when it gets a very crowded landscape. 1225 01:17:58,800 --> 01:18:00,720 You get more stuff in the summer. That's good for them, but also 1226 01:18:00,760 --> 01:18:04,840 they want to have programming about boxing and the lead up to help, you 1227 01:18:04,920 --> 01:18:09,079 know, make sure that people are aware of and know about Errol Spencing Crawford 1228 01:18:09,319 --> 01:18:11,880 and do the best job they can to market that fight. So you're gonna 1229 01:18:11,880 --> 01:18:14,159 have a busy July, so Boots in the early part of the month, 1230 01:18:14,439 --> 01:18:16,840 Frank Martin coming back for this fight in the middle of the month, and 1231 01:18:16,880 --> 01:18:18,920 then of course at the end of the month, you'll have Spencing Crawford. 1232 01:18:19,000 --> 01:18:24,560 So Showtime putting together their summer schedule right now. And by the way, 1233 01:18:24,640 --> 01:18:29,560 they did announce officially that Carlos Adamas, who has the interim WBC middleweight title, 1234 01:18:29,640 --> 01:18:33,600 will fight Julian Jay Rock Williams, a former unified champion, and that 1235 01:18:33,920 --> 01:18:39,119 is for the interim belt that Jamal Charlo has. And here's hoping at some 1236 01:18:39,279 --> 01:18:44,079 point soon that Mauricio Suleiman and the WBC follow their own rules and say, 1237 01:18:44,119 --> 01:18:47,119 did Jamal Charlo get in the ring or you are stripped? It's been two 1238 01:18:47,279 --> 01:18:50,920 years. But that fight, by the way that they just the announcement you're 1239 01:18:50,920 --> 01:18:54,399 speaking about that they put out, that was really I think that was more 1240 01:18:54,399 --> 01:18:58,800 of like to do an announcement on its own help bring up ticket sales. 1241 01:18:58,800 --> 01:19:00,920 But that fight was announced wait a while ago when they went through their art 1242 01:19:01,479 --> 01:19:04,680 shows that they announced that took us from the you know, the midspring to 1243 01:19:04,760 --> 01:19:09,119 the early summer, so that that's not a surprise card. But that's another 1244 01:19:09,239 --> 01:19:13,000 event on their calendar at the end of June, no doubt. Nostalgia time 1245 01:19:13,199 --> 01:19:17,079 two as well. That includes today in two thousand and five, some eighteen 1246 01:19:17,199 --> 01:19:21,359 years ago, the hit Man Ricky Hatton and speaking of Tim Zoo, he 1247 01:19:21,479 --> 01:19:26,880 of the Flesh Wound, Tim Zoo's dad, Costa Zoo, the Hall of 1248 01:19:26,920 --> 01:19:30,840 Famer. He and Ricky Hatton scrapped and the hit Man actually got a victory 1249 01:19:31,000 --> 01:19:34,000 in this one. Give me some more on this nostalgia here. This was 1250 01:19:34,079 --> 01:19:39,520 a huge fight Costa Zoo. He had become the undisputed champion one hundred and 1251 01:19:39,520 --> 01:19:41,840 forty pounds. He had ended up a lou you know, giving up or 1252 01:19:41,920 --> 01:19:44,640 being stripped of two of the titles. This is back still when it was 1253 01:19:44,680 --> 01:19:46,600 three belts to be undisputed. But he still was the IBF champion. He 1254 01:19:46,680 --> 01:19:50,159 was still the you know, the lineal champion if you will. He was 1255 01:19:50,239 --> 01:19:54,359 the number one guy. He was, you know, he was the favorite 1256 01:19:54,439 --> 01:19:56,880 going into the fight. He went to Manchester, England, which is Ricky 1257 01:19:56,920 --> 01:20:00,000 Hatton's hometown. Gave Ricky the shot in this fight. It was a huge 1258 01:20:00,039 --> 01:20:03,800 fight for Ricky. You know, he had had some other wins against some 1259 01:20:04,000 --> 01:20:08,000 decent names, but no one that was at the level of Aksa Zoo, 1260 01:20:08,039 --> 01:20:11,560 who was just the dominant force at one hundred and forty pounds. I don't 1261 01:20:11,560 --> 01:20:15,760 think he can overestimate how much of a feared fighter he was at that point. 1262 01:20:15,800 --> 01:20:16,960 I mean, I know he had suffered the upset loss a few years 1263 01:20:17,000 --> 01:20:21,159 earlier to cool Vince Phillips that took the title from him. He got himself 1264 01:20:21,199 --> 01:20:26,960 back together. He ended up beating good fighters, top fighters and unifying the 1265 01:20:27,000 --> 01:20:30,359 titles he didn't you know. He defeated Sembe Mitchell, which is a big 1266 01:20:30,439 --> 01:20:32,439 win for him. He knocked out zab Jude very memorably. He had knocked 1267 01:20:32,479 --> 01:20:36,359 out Miguel Angel Gonzalez. He had beaten some good fighters anyway, So he 1268 01:20:36,439 --> 01:20:41,760 goes to Manchester and Ricky Hatton turns in what to this day is still probably 1269 01:20:41,880 --> 01:20:45,479 his his his crowning achievement, his crowny moment, as big a fight, 1270 01:20:45,600 --> 01:20:50,279 as most significant victory of his entire career. And they fought that fight. 1271 01:20:50,359 --> 01:20:54,000 And Ricky Hatton, he basically, you know, was the younger fresher, 1272 01:20:54,319 --> 01:20:56,760 just a bull, strong guy, was not going to take no for an 1273 01:20:56,760 --> 01:20:59,479 answer in the ring that night, and uh, you know, he imposed 1274 01:20:59,560 --> 01:21:04,199 himself in a big way on Costa Zoo. Big huge victory cannot be understated, 1275 01:21:04,960 --> 01:21:09,920 was live on showtime despite the time difference. They showed it on showtime 1276 01:21:10,119 --> 01:21:13,800 in a primetime hour time, so it was super late at night in the 1277 01:21:13,960 --> 01:21:16,439 UK when this happened, and it really launched Rick Yeah, and Costa Zoo 1278 01:21:16,479 --> 01:21:19,279 retired after this fight, didn't fight again. And who'd have thought here we 1279 01:21:19,319 --> 01:21:23,720 are, what eighteen years after that night, that we're talking about his son 1280 01:21:23,800 --> 01:21:27,600 Tim Zoo fighting in a defense of his interim world title. And even his 1281 01:21:27,680 --> 01:21:30,159 other son, Nikita, is now professional boxer also with a couple of fights 1282 01:21:30,239 --> 01:21:33,520 under his belt. So Costa Zoo was a tremendous fighter, a worthy Hall 1283 01:21:33,560 --> 01:21:36,439 of famer, but that was the fight that sent him into retirement. He 1284 01:21:36,520 --> 01:21:41,279 never came back and the hitman Ricky Hatton, the legend grew and You've talked 1285 01:21:41,319 --> 01:21:45,000 to us numerous times on the podcast about how rabid his following was, especially 1286 01:21:45,039 --> 01:21:47,920 for fights in Las Vegas, etc. For later on when he was having 1287 01:21:47,960 --> 01:21:53,159 them, so there was no nostalgia. There is no fighter I have covered 1288 01:21:53,680 --> 01:21:56,920 who maybe for one event you might can think of like a bigger deal fight. 1289 01:21:57,000 --> 01:22:00,239 But I covered Ricky's fights in America, and as a totality, you 1290 01:22:00,319 --> 01:22:03,439 just didn't have bigger fights. I mean, his fight with Floyd Mayweather is 1291 01:22:03,479 --> 01:22:08,560 one of the hallmark fights I have ever covered in terms of just the hooplah 1292 01:22:08,680 --> 01:22:11,920 and the chaos and the pandemonium of the entire fight week. That's the one 1293 01:22:12,000 --> 01:22:16,000 where as urban legend says, the MGM Grand ran out of beer and and 1294 01:22:16,399 --> 01:22:18,840 all that, and same with the you know, the Manny Patio fight was 1295 01:22:18,840 --> 01:22:24,239 a huge deal. Even when he won the welterweight belt in Boston against Louis 1296 01:22:24,279 --> 01:22:27,920 Collazzo was a big deal. So but that was the fight that launched him. 1297 01:22:27,960 --> 01:22:30,079 And you know, Ricky probably should be considered for the All of Fame 1298 01:22:30,159 --> 01:22:31,880 himself. He's been on the ballot for a few years, so he hasn't 1299 01:22:31,880 --> 01:22:34,520 gotten a lot of support, I don't think, but uh, I'm starting 1300 01:22:34,520 --> 01:22:38,239 to come around and think that he belongs there because I know it's the Hall 1301 01:22:38,239 --> 01:22:41,119 of Fame and it's about what have you done in the ring, and he 1302 01:22:41,199 --> 01:22:44,000 did a lot in the ring, but you can't in boxing is different than 1303 01:22:44,079 --> 01:22:47,279 other sports. A big part of what makes you as a fighter is do 1304 01:22:47,359 --> 01:22:50,000 you elicit a motion from people? Do you bring fans? Yes? You 1305 01:22:50,119 --> 01:22:54,640 bring exposure to the sport. And Ricky Hatton was one of the biggest fighters 1306 01:22:54,680 --> 01:22:57,560 in the history of the sport to bring people into the sport and to put 1307 01:22:57,640 --> 01:23:00,600 on nasam events. And while we're just sitting here feeling old, his son, 1308 01:23:00,760 --> 01:23:04,079 Campbell Hatton is now working his way up as a as a new prospect 1309 01:23:04,159 --> 01:23:08,520 fighter who's had a few pro fights. Fighting over in England. We're getting 1310 01:23:08,520 --> 01:23:12,000 old Rayfield. So are we going to see if cape old Campbell's fighting as 1311 01:23:12,000 --> 01:23:15,960 a lightweight? He's about like eight or nine and zero. You got Tim 1312 01:23:15,079 --> 01:23:19,520 Zoo fighting at junior middleweight to someday we see Zoo or maybe it's the younger 1313 01:23:19,680 --> 01:23:27,479 Zoo. Do we see a Zoo son fight against Campbell Hatton down the road 1314 01:23:27,560 --> 01:23:30,039 someday? Do you want to talk about feeling old my friend? Oh? 1315 01:23:30,680 --> 01:23:32,800 All right, good stuff there on the nostalgia. By the way, we 1316 01:23:32,960 --> 01:23:34,920 never touched on this and we don't have to do any more on this. 1317 01:23:35,159 --> 01:23:41,760 But it is the fourth anniversary of Andy Ruise shocking Anthony Joshua with a TKO. 1318 01:23:41,880 --> 01:23:45,000 You were there at ringside Madison Square Garden on June the first, which 1319 01:23:45,039 --> 01:23:47,359 was back last Thursday. We didn't acknowledge that that was four years ago, 1320 01:23:47,800 --> 01:23:51,079 that that upset happened. In speaking of the British and the British fight fans 1321 01:23:51,119 --> 01:23:55,399 a tune in and listen to us. One could argue that Anthony Joshua has 1322 01:23:55,439 --> 01:23:58,840 not been the same since that night in Madison Square Garden. Yes, he 1323 01:23:58,960 --> 01:24:03,840 beat Ruise in the rematch, but us got him twice. What an upset? 1324 01:24:03,960 --> 01:24:06,199 What an upset? And that was four years ago already. He just 1325 01:24:06,399 --> 01:24:09,960 took the words right out of my mouth about how Anthony Joshu has not been 1326 01:24:10,000 --> 01:24:12,640 the same since that night he's only had the fact that you agree with me 1327 01:24:13,000 --> 01:24:15,720 is a scary thing and it tells me. Also. The thing about Anthony 1328 01:24:15,840 --> 01:24:19,399 Joshua was since that fight, he hasn't been very active. I mean, 1329 01:24:19,479 --> 01:24:24,399 obviously part pandemic related like a lot of the fighters and around that period of 1330 01:24:24,479 --> 01:24:27,720 time. But even still, you know, since he had that loss, 1331 01:24:28,359 --> 01:24:31,600 he's only had uh, he's had many fights. He fought Kobrot, Poolev, 1332 01:24:31,600 --> 01:24:36,920 and amandatur I take it back again, five fights rematch Poulev two and 1333 01:24:38,000 --> 01:24:41,159 then and then three. He's three and two since the loss, so he's 1334 01:24:41,199 --> 01:24:45,359 really three and three in his last six with Jermaine Franklin, Poolev and the 1335 01:24:45,439 --> 01:24:48,920 rematch and then the losses to Ruiz and the two losses to Use. I 1336 01:24:48,960 --> 01:24:53,880 don't really hold the the the US losses too much against him, but you 1337 01:24:53,920 --> 01:24:56,960 know it's not like he looked fantastic against Franklin. And you know, again 1338 01:24:57,000 --> 01:24:59,600 he beat Poolev as he was opposed to. He didn't look great in that 1339 01:24:59,680 --> 01:25:01,239 fight, but he knocked him out, so good for him. And you 1340 01:25:01,319 --> 01:25:04,039 know, he had a great game plan for the Rui's rematch. But he 1341 01:25:04,119 --> 01:25:06,479 still hasn't really been the same since then. He hope he can somehow, 1342 01:25:06,560 --> 01:25:11,520 some way reclaim some past glory and at the very least Immanity doesn't that they 1343 01:25:11,560 --> 01:25:14,119 can finally make the fights out we still want to see with him involved in. 1344 01:25:14,520 --> 01:25:18,399 Which is a Tyson Fury fight or Deonte Wilder fight. Love it love 1345 01:25:18,520 --> 01:25:21,159 this show, Lots on this show, the recap of the Shields Win, 1346 01:25:21,359 --> 01:25:27,039 lots on Jervonte Davis and the jailhouse phone call to rail on the judge on 1347 01:25:27,159 --> 01:25:30,279 Instagram, what are we coming to in twenty twenty three? And the Hall 1348 01:25:30,279 --> 01:25:32,079 of Fame interview and the Hall of Fame interview with Brad Goodman. Great stuff. 1349 01:25:32,079 --> 01:25:34,000 Who's going into the Hall of Fame this week, Dan Rayfiel, have 1350 01:25:34,079 --> 01:25:38,359 a great week. We're looking forward to speaking of the UK. We're looking 1351 01:25:38,399 --> 01:25:42,439 forward to Josh Taylor coming state side as he's already here this week for the 1352 01:25:42,479 --> 01:25:45,520 fight with Tayafimo Lopez. You will be at that fight later this week. 1353 01:25:45,560 --> 01:25:47,439 That's part of the preview. Have a great week, my friend. Always 1354 01:25:47,479 --> 01:25:50,319 good to be with you on the Recap podcast. Coming off the weekend, 1355 01:25:50,399 --> 01:25:53,560 Dan sounds good, Thank you, t J. I'll talk to you. 1356 01:25:54,039 --> 01:25:58,439 There is the one and only read Dan Rayfield sub Stack Fight Preach Units and 1357 01:25:58,560 --> 01:26:01,399 also read him on Big Fight We Can dot COM's coverage of the Sweet Science 1358 01:26:01,439 --> 01:26:05,800 and hear us as we come off the weekend on The Fight Preach Unite recab 1359 01:26:05,920 --> 01:26:10,359 each in every week for now we are good. 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