Well, coming off a weekend where Claressa Shields look like Claressa Shields once again
with another middleweight title defense and an easy decision win. We are ready to
recap that. We've got tons of news. We've got a special guest who's
going into the Hall of Fame. Not yet a Hall of Famer, but
I'm about to be a Hall of Famer. I will tell you more about
that in a few moments. He's a Hall of Famer in my mind.
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back with you. How are we We're good. It's like you said,
as good. Got a lot of news going on, not a lot of
fights. So we'll talk about the one fight of consequence, which was CLARESSA
shields is a very easy victory. But yeah, a lot of a lot
of stuff to get to in the Hall of Fame coming up and plenty,
there is plenty to discuss, no doubt. And by the way, Dan
has scored an interview with a longtime friend and acquaintance of his, the future
Hall of Famer. Later it actually counts as next week. On next Sunday,
the International Boxing Hall of Fame does their enshrine at ceremony. Brad Goodman
of Top ranked Boxing a guest right here on this podcast. And look,
you were giddy before we even got to record this. You were giddy that
you got Brad and you were going to get this on the podcast because this
is one of your guys. Just real quick in the preview mode before we
played the interview here a little bit. You are thrilled for this guy on
a personal level, one hundred percent. It's not about getting them. I
talked to Brad multiple times a week on the phone and the text message.
Like there are certain people in boxing I've known for many years. They're not
necessarily your friend, but you have a good relationship with them, you talked
them on a regular basis. Brad is at a different level for me personally.
Brad has been my close personal friend for going on thirty years. We've
been friends with each other before I started to write about boxing on a full
time basis, before he became a full timer at Top Rank and their matchmaker.
This goes back. I think I met Brad in nineteen ninety three or
something like that. You know, we are friends. I mean, this
was this was more than a business interview. I will be the first to
confess that. So I'm thrilled that he's going to all of fame. I
advocated for his inclusion on the ballot a few years ago. I obviously have
voted for him in each of the years he was on the ballot. He
deserves it. He's the betch matchmaker in the business in my opinion. That's
no knock on a lot of other top matchmakers. He's made dozens of world
champions under his watch at Top Rank. I mean, we can go through
the list if you care to. But uh, you know, he's he's
as he knows more about boxing than pretty much anybody I know, four rounders,
six rounders, that the champion ship level guys, I mean, going
back in time in present day, just like a savant, I mean,
like the rain Man of boxing. So it's a big week for him coming
up. I'm happy for him. All the inductees. It's going in with
a great class too, Joe Goose and Carl Fratch, Timothy Bradley, Raphael
Marquez. Brad Jacobs has colleague at top ranks set Abraham tim Ryan. I
mean, this is this is like a lot of the greats, not only
in the ring, but all the folks that go in and the other categories.
And you know, Brad's induction as well deserved, and I was happy
to talk to him about his career. Look, we do a lot of
interviews with fighters and other people in the business, promoters and TV people and
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people, which I think people would be interested in because they don't know a
lot about what these guys are all about, and they bring a very important
important things to the table. In the part of the business that they work
in and whether you're doing an interview with a matchmaker or a manager you know,
or some other person that works in the in the business. So match
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of somebody building up their careers and guiding them through all the very difficult pitfalls
that especially early in a boxer Schrys So Brad and I talked a lot about
that and how he's gone about doing his business, and I'm thrilled for him,
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there we go, Radius in review us, all right, News of the
week, all right, Sunday afternoon. We're trying to figure out what order
we're going to talk about what, etc. And suddenly my man Rayphiel starts
tweeting the Instagram live comments of Jervonte Davis. You can't make this up.
The Instagram comments of Jervonte Davis from a Baltimore jailhouse phone that he is on
literally after being incarcerated back on Thursday evening for violation of his home confinement sentence.
And again we assume that most of you have been keeping up with this
situation. We put our preview podcast to bed, Dan, Rayphiel, you
and I and we didn't know about this because we're busy yamuring at each other
going over the news, the preview of the correct claressa Shields fight, etc.
We get off the podcast, and I think I was the first one
to tell you. I texted you and said, call me about Jervonte Davis.
You said, what did he do now? And I said, I
said, good, good instinct. He's in jail. He's in jail because
he could not obey the rules of the home confinement. All right, So
we didn't open up the podcast inside podcast in Trum. We didn't open the
podcast back up and redo it. We did talk about this saw on the
bet Us Show Friday live plug for that. Now this is the first time
we can talk at length about this. So he is locked up for violating
the home confinement and basically what it comes down to is the judge gave him
conditions to stay out of jail and he did not obey them. And we're
about to get into that. And now Davis has seemingly made things worse,
and we're gonna get into that as we go along. But Dan pick it
up from here because one of the premier names and faces in the sport is
behind bars and he's out the jailhouse phone knocking the judge about why he's behind
bars. Go ahead. I've never seen anything quite like this. I mean,
I've certainly covered and written, unfortunately a lot over the years. I
have done this about people involved in boxing, mostly boxers who have done time
in jail for a different assortment of crimes in this and that. But I
don't remember anything as lunacy as this, as a guy who's like days having
been locked up going on in Instagram live. It was a video, but
all you saw was the face of the phone, like the keypad. I'm
still not quite sure who he was speaking to, but he was knocking the
judge who still has his life in her hands. Let's back up for our
second. He's involved in a hit and run accident. At the end of
twenty and twenty, it goes to trial, and before they actually get to
the trial, knowing he's probably in some trouble, they may complete agreement.
That was what was able. That was why the Tank Davis Ryan Garcia fight
was so important for everybody involved to take place before the end of April of
this year because May fifth or six, whatever that Friday was, that was
the day he was going to be sentenced. So he pleads to that.
He was I think charge originally with like fourteen counts. They pleaded down,
he got four counts. He pleads guilty. He's gonna get sentence. We
all thought he was gonna get probably like about a year or so, maybe
nine months. We talked to one of the illegal earn about that. We
thought maybe he would get, you know, sometime in jail, like we
said, nine months or a year. Okay. So he goes to the
sentencing with not knowing what he's going to receive. The judge in the case
chief sentences him to twenty six months in jail, suspends the sentence, makes
it ninety days of home confinement, and I believe it was two hundred hours
of community service. All things consider, when you're convicted of one of the
charges was a felony and you get off the hook with ninety days of home
confinement and two hundred hours of community service. Okay. But I don't know
about you, TJ. I mean, I got a pretty nice house.
If he told me to do ninety days here, I could do that with
my eyes. Clue, It's no problem. Got my office, got my
big TV, got a nice patio, got a backyard, got a barbecue
you know whatever. You know, got plenty places to go, got the
man cave, you know, got the TV room, all that, no
problem. Travanti Davis got a lot more money than I do. I'm pretty
sure, so he could do whatever I mean. But so, but one
of the one of the elements of the agreement to do the ninety days was,
and I understand the judge in Baltimore where he's from, even though Gervante
has been living in Florida, she said, if you're gonna do the ninety
days, it's got to be in Baltimore County. This is where the conviction
is. She doesn't want you living it up on the beach, so you're
gonna do your time in Baltimore. So it seems like just kind of on
a lark and maybe not that well planned out. Calvin Ford, who was
Gervanta Davis's trainer and long time mentor, said in the court that he could
live with him. Sounds reasonable. Ninety days. He spent a lot of
time with your coach anyway, there more than just fighter and coach anyway,
there there are very much like a family by all accounts. So okay,
so he's gonna live three months with his coach. He's also, by the
way, he doesn't have to just stay in the in the house. He's
allowed, I guess, at certain times of the day to also go to
the gym to train, which is his job. So go to the gym,
be in the house, and that's it. As it turns out,
Calvin Ford apparently lives in a one bedroom home, one bedroom apartment, whatever
it is. It was a little tight on the space. Tavante was unhappy
about that. So, as the story goes, he purchased like a three
and a half million dollars penthouse at a nice building in Baltimore. The problem
with that is this, he didn't have it approved by the court, and
he was going to the apartment or to the condor to the townhouse or the
penthouse or whatever when he's not supposed to be. Now, I believe he's
wearing an inkle monitor or some kind of thing where the police or the court
or wherever can mine kind of tracking device. Because again we can interject here,
and I know a little bit about this with law enforcement, they have
to have some way to know where are you for the whole home confinement thing
to work, because this is in lieu of you staying out of jail.
Okay, But even if they didn't, even if he didn't have the bracelet
or the ankle bracelet whatever, and somebody just saw him there he's still not
supposed to be there. So when the judge found out about that, they
called like this, Like, I guess you could describe it as an emergency
hearing on Thursdays, not part of the court doctor for the day. I
guess that's something you can do if it's something that comes up at the last
moment. And the judge was ticked off understandably. So let me give you
a little insight. Let me get a little insight on how this works.
So he's got a probation officer already, because she gave him three months of
probation. That probation officer's job is to keep track of where are my cases?
Where are my people? He obviously the probation officer has access to whatever
tracking they have, and this person has an obligation to now tell the Baltimore
authorities and the judge he ain't living up to the home confinement Judge. He's
not at Calvin Ford's house obviously, or at the gym. I can tell
where he is, and the system can tell where he is, and we
got to do something about this. So you're right, they have an impromptu
Thursday here and continue. So I don't know the technicality is of whether he's
wear an embracelet if somebody the probation officer. I mean, we don't know
for sure. That's our assumption because of that's usually the way it works.
But whatever the reason was, the is made aware that he is not where
he's supposed to be, which is either in the gym or in Calvin Ford's
home. And so she called him in with the lawyers and they go to
this emergency hearing, I guess, and she's like, listen, I gave
you the opportunity, and listen, let's put's back up for a quick second.
He got twenty six months suspended. That was a gift from God.
That was to get ninety days for that kind of sentence. Uh, that
that was a real I mean I didn't I mean, I wasn't wishing bad
on Jervonti Davis or anything like that. But in my mind I was like,
oh man, he got off easy with that. That's at home,
yes, you know, I mean, by the way, ninety days at
home. That means he can call uber eats and he can go sit on
the patio and he can you know, shoot hoops in his in his in
the yard. If he's got a basketball hooked up there. I mean,
it's not like you're living in a jail cell. As the bottom line,
you can wake up when you want, you can go to bed when you
want, you can eat when you want, you can you know, go
to the bathroom when you want, you can read when you want, you
can watch television when you want. Whatever. So that's a lot better than
being in a jail cell ninety days or otherwise. Anyway. So she revoked
the ninety days sentence and she put him in custody to serve the remainder of
the ninety days. I mean, she gave him the ninety days he'd probably
he hadn't even gotten through a month since since the sentencing. The sentencing I
want to say, was May fifth. This happened on Thursday, So it's
barely a month that he was able to make. He's got to serve the
rest of the time, well, you know whatever, roughly sixty days.
He's got to do it in the Baltimore I could be listened to the Baltimore
City jail. So that's on him. You know. The thing that blew
my mind, and I think anybody's mind that may have listened to the audio
he's doing the FaceTime and he's blaming the judge. He's saying that the judge
is crazy, that that she has it out for him. He says,
and this is how we started it off. I want to let the people
know that did just that. This judge is crazy. Bro. She locked
me up because I basically brought bought up property. And then he went on
and on about how he was upset because he was living in a one bedroom
and there wasn't enough space, couldn't have his kids come with him. I'm
like, dude, you're you're supposed to be in jail, that's right,
I supposed to have anything like that. You know, you want your kids
to visit, find they can come during visiting hours, like once a week
or whatever the jail requires. And we should we should interject this. One
of the victims in the hit and run is a female, a Baltimore female,
and she testified at that hearing on May the fifth, my life is
ruined. In her words, my life is ruined right now because of what
happened. Because she suffered a serious knee injury, which prevents her from being
able to work for income. She suffered a miscarriage because she was pregnant after
the accident. This first, yes, she testified to that in court.
That's correct. And she then said to the judge, you need She basically
said, you need to send him a message and put him in jail for
what he has done to me. My life is ruined. I'm paraphrasing what
she's saying. And the judge chose not to do that. And now you
have Jervonte Davis, while we're just giving commentary on this, complaining because the
conditions of his home confinement, not jail, are not up to standards.
And he literally went and bought, and this is in the Baltimore records,
a three million dollar condo that he was trying to apparently stay in, or
may have even stayed in for a day or two when they found all of
this outing. Had they discussed this at the hearing or beforehand, the judge
wasn't say you have to stay in a one bedroom apartment. They were saying,
okay, you have to do the time of the home confinement in Baltimore,
so they could he could have bought the property ahead of time, had
Calvin moved in with him, they could have done all that and he would
have been allowed to stay there, probably because that was what he's what his
home is, So you know, she just didn't want him going to Florida.
So that's correct because they can't keep track of him. Good point,
because they can't keep track of him with a probation officer, etc. In
Florida. That's the whole point. So so Gervante and his team, and
I mean, yes, it's at the end of the day, it falls
to Gervanta Davis, but it sounds to me like his lawyers in a bad
job, Like maybe Calvin wasn't thinking about what this would entail, having him
in a one bedroom for third ninety days. But the whole team as a
collective, the Dravata Davis team, they really screwed up the big time.
And so but he's paying the price. And you know what, Honestly,
again, I don't wish bad on Jivanti Davis, but he kind of you
kind of get what you deserve. And when I listened to the comments,
my friend, the tone deafness of what he was saying is so beyond a
ridiculousness, Like you're complaining because you can't have your kids and you only were
going to be in a one bedroom. Well, dude, Now you're in
a fucking jail cell, which is better, which is worse? And we
should say this. There will probably be a status hearing, that's what they're
called, after this is over with, after he is locked up, where
she the judge ALTHEA handy is her name, can reevaluate whether or not he
is jail sentence continues, Is she gonna stick with the probation and the community
service? Only all of this can be reevaluated? And he is not doing
himself any favors by making I mean, it's is almost a bad Saturday Night
Live sketch type thing. You're calling from the jailhouse phone to complain about the
judge and call the judge stupid and crazy. Call it crazy, and I
mean, just what are we doing here? And for him to suggest that
this judge somehow hasn't out for him, to me, just doesn't even ring
with any element of truth, because judges see these kinds of cases all the
time and they don't get emotionally involved. They go by the by the by
the rule of law, which is the way it's supposed, the precedents and
that kind of stuff. And so, my friend, this is not over.
This is not over, and he may be looking I'm not saying that
I know this, but he may be looking at more jail time when it
comes time for him to have a status situation, and just depends she may
and and another thing that it demonstrates here m one more and then we can
move on off of this is he's gotten out of several of these legal situations
in the past without having jail time, and he was about to get out
of this one without having jail time, And sooner or later the message has
to start to get through that you continue to violate the law, you're gonna
lose your freedom. And he's getting a taste of that right now. I'm
still trying to figure out at what point or how do you think to yourself,
Okay, I'm in this jackpot and I messed up and now I'm sitting
here now for the next sixty days in jail. But how does that translate?
Like, I think it's a good idea to go on a public audio
that you know is going to become public and bitch about the judge who still
controls your life. Right where how is that possibly? How can that possibly
help you? If anything, he should have gone and said you know what.
I appreciate the judge. She's great. She did the right thing.
I deserve this. I mean, if you're gonna say something, say that,
but don't call the judge crazy. All you're doing is here's the old
saying in PR one oh one, when you're in a hole, stop digging.
Yes, amen, And by the way, just once more, this
is so somebody that's never been put in this situation before. He's always,
through his lawyers, through his money, through whatever, gotten out of these
situations, and he didn't get out of this one. And so now he
is making it worse. And we'll see what happens for the future. But
that was Sunday. That was Sunday afternoon and again just before we started taking
this. Yeah, for the foreseeable next sixty days, this doesn't matter because
he's still locked up. Depending on if anything else happens here or he does
anything else, it will matter in about two months here at the very beginning
of August, when the ninety days is up, and then there's a status
hearing on what happens next with Jervonte Davis. So will I saw pictures of
the property that he supposedly purchased. It's a beautiful it's a beautiful place,
three million dollar purchase, and the Baltimore media was Look, the Baltimore media
was all over this and said Jervonte And apparently he did some of this transaction
in person, which is obviously in violation of the home confinement. You're not
allowed to be there. And more the point, if he was staying there,
he knows he's not allowed to be there. There's another Baltimore media report
that I read from this weekend that he stayed at the Four Seasons, will
name it the Four Seasons hotel in downtown Baltimore, in a hotel suite and
was seen at a nightclub right there by it. So, yeah, there
you go with He put himself in that situation. And this is not the
final chapter on this situation. For those now I'm not saying you, I'm
saying for those out there that might think this is over with right now,
he might stay locked up as this year goes on, depending on what this
judge wants to do. One thing that one thing that judges get rankled at
in a big hurry is somebody that is disrespectful to them and their rulings and
in court, lawyers, defendants whomever, So stay tuned. Final chapters not
yet written on this situation with us who constance in boxing currently Javante Tank Davis
is a very talented boxer, one of the best in the world and number
two. He's just a knucklehead. Yeah apparently, and and time to time
to smarten up, uh and and realize take your medicine here, I mean
and again at the hearing, he apparently expressed no remorse. They didn't even
I mean, they didn't even from a pr standpoint, convince him stand there
and say you're sorry about this. Now. I know part of that is
the woman is still suing him and that is not resolved. And if you're
standing in court an apologizing to her, then maybe you're you're damaging the civil
back and forth on what you're gonna have to give her. But if they
were smart, any of us, he didn't even apologe guys standing there in
the court. If you're smart, use you're apologizing yourself out of court,
yes, figure, and you don't worry. You don't leave it to the
to the jury or to the judge to you know, take even more of
your millions. So you know, hopefully he uh, I don't think he
will just because it's it seems no, there's no chance of this. But
hopefully he learns the lesson, I mean and uh and and and grows as
a human being from this and gets some maturity. But you know, for
a long time we said Jervanta Davis is a young guy. He's gonna get
maturity. He's twenty eight years old. Now it's not like, you know,
you know, it's not like he's twenty one or twenty anymore when he
was you know, first in this h in the in the business, and
in the spotlight to some degree. But you know, that's fight. We
got other news to get to. But why don't we show some respect to
Claressa Shields. Quite a night for her, A victory in Detroit. Looked
like a pretty good crowd from everything I saw, lower bowl of the Little
Caesar's Arena in downtown Detroit with the red Wings and the and the pistons play
was mostly full. She definitely had an elaborate ring walk. It was almost
like a celebration. And then the fight with Maricela Cornejo was basically like the
afterthought, uh and and she dominated one easily one every round. Dan your
thoughts and the recap mode on the latest title defense win for Claressa Shields.
It's like I said on our bet Us show TJ in Boxing in Life,
Death, Taxes and Shields by decision not a hard pick eighty nine on one
scorecard, which means one of the judges gave the judge, John Basil,
gave her the seventh round ten to at eight even though there was no knockdown.
That's how dominant she was. The other two judges scored at US Queen
sweep one hundred ninety. Not a hard fight to score. No controversy at
all to me. The only controversy that there would have been is of a
judge had had the had given Cornejo a single round. It was a dominating
performance. And people want to knock and say, well Corneo is not very
good, and it should it's a walkover fight. Here's the bottom line.
Corneo, she's pretty solid. She went straight up essentially with Francion Cruise dessergn
in a super middleweight title fight. She has been competitive in other title fights
and she's not a bad fighter. And people say, well she took the
fight on short notice. Well, yeah, that's true. But the reality
was she was training for a fight at the same time roughly and got the
opportunity to do a much bigger fight and accepted and then took the place of
Hannah Gabriels, who was dropped because of her positive drug tests. But the
point in here is that Cornejo was in shape for the fight. She was
ready to go, and she looked in great shape, and the fact that
she could go the ten rounds taking the kind of shots that she did shows
you the kind of conditioning that she had, so she would do well against
a lot of the women in and around that weight class. She said afterwards,
she's going to go down to one fifty four. But the point is
class is so high above the rest of the women in her weight class.
In and around that weight class, there's really nobody that can do anything.
I don't have any doubt it would have been a similar outcome if she had
faced Gabriels. She got some competition in her last fight in They'll Fall when
she fought Hannah fought, Hannah fought a Savannah Marshall and Adventure won amateur lass.
That's about as much competition as she has gotten, and she still won
the fight with no doubt about it, So it's not a Corneo's fault.
I'm glad they were about to keep the card alive. Detroit turned out for
her. They had a very good crowd. I am told that the gate
for that fight was in excess of six hundred thousand dollars. That's pretty damn
good for that type of fight in her hometown. Detroit has been a great
boxing city for a you know, since the beginning of time basically, but
there hasn't been a lot of big time boxing in the city for quite a
number of years. So when you consider she has fought previous title defenses,
maybe as recently as two or three years ago, and only fought maybe in
front of a thousand or a couple of thousand people, if you've got eight
nine, ten thousand people, which she legitimately had again, I mean I
could I could see from some of the video and some of the photos between
the floor seating and the lower level seating, the place was mostly full in
the bottom of the arena. So obviously there's some appetite for her and for
her fighting in that region and that market being from Flint, Michigan. The
total attendance was announced that a little over eleven thousand. That's attendance, So
I think that also includes like people working media, et cetera. But the
paid the people that bought tickets. You know, she gave away about a
thousand or a little over a thousand things or so to bring in a lot
of the kids from the region, you know, which is a good thing.
You helped build up and get them interested in boxing and do a nice
thing for your community and all that. But they had you know, probably
seven eight, nine thousand that were sold. And again, forget about how
many it's not even really important how many number of tickets were sold. It's
really what did you generate financially to do a gate like six hundred grand plus
for that kind of show. That's pretty damn good in a you know,
in that environment with an opponent that was not known, with the undercard that
did feature some other Michigan fighters, but not big names or anything like that.
So I think that claressa shield besides being the number one pound for pound
women fighter in the world and the undisputed middleweight champion and undefeated, has also
proven now that she is also a draw and that she's hitting the she's checking
the boxes in her ability and her marketability, and you know, until further
notice, she's number one, and she showed it again. She put on
a you know, she did everything other than get the knockout. She landed
a thousand right hands, her upper cut, her body shots, r jabs,
everything was connecting. I'll tip my hat to Perneo for being toughest nail,
putting up a valiant effort, but at no point that she come even
close to winning a single round or putting shields in any kind of trouble.
So the only question at this point now is who in the world can claressa
fight that would give her competition in the immediacy After the fight, the talks,
well, maybe she would fight against the winner of the fight that takes
place in July, where you have Savannah Marshall, who she'd just beat going
up to sixty eight to take on Franchi on Cruise Desern for the undisputed title
at supermid aweight and France on Cruise Dissern is another woman that Claressa shows defeated.
They fought each other in their professional debut and Claressa won a four round
decision in a tremendous fight. I mean, so I would be opposed to
seeing a rematch between Claressen either one of those women being at one sixty or
one sixty, and I guess they would do it at one sixty eight because
Claressa would then have the opportunity to be a champion undisputed in three week less.
She's already she was a unified champion at super midway. She never got
the fourth belt, but she's been on disputed at middleweight twice. He's been
on disputed at a junior middleweight. She's been a two time gold medal winner.
I mean, what else can she do? She's already going to be
a Hall of Famer. There's not a lot out there to really think about
as far as who you want to see your fight. And Saturday night was
her night in Motown, that's for sure, including having the what the four
Tops do? The national anthem that we're all decked out in their Detroit Tigers
and Lions and Red Wings and Pistons jerseys. It was Detroit through and through
hit Man Tommy Hearns even there as well from the Motor City on Saturday.
So good on Claressa. Shields. All right, let's move along, and
let's move along to Dan's conversation. As mentioned, top rank matchmaker Brad Goodman
part of the twenty twenty three International Boxing Hall of Fame class. Let's get
to that conversation right now. I'm want to welcome to the podcast this week
my special guest, a man who I've been friends with for about thirty years.
It is none other than Brad Goodman. He is the top rank matchmaker.
You don't maybe know him by face or name, you don't hear a
lot from him, but if you watch top rank fights, he's the guy
that's building all these prospects. He's doing the matches in conjunction with the folks
at the company. And the reason I have Brad on today is because on
Sunday, June eleventh, very well deserved, my good friend will be inducted
into the International Boxing Hall of Fame in Canastota, New York. And so
I thought, you know, this would be a great time Brad to talk
about your career and your thoughts about boxing and building these all these great champions
you have built over the years. So thank you very much for doing this.
Have you been all right? Jan? Thanks so much, really appreciate
it. It's doing good, all right, you bet so. First of
all, you're going in with a fantastic group of other inductees. Among the
champions that are going to be inducted, names that everybody knows, Timothy Bradley
Jr. Raphael Marquez, Carl Fratch, got a bunch of people who are
not fighters that are going in along with your year of course, being inducted
into the non participant category. You have people like your colleague at top ranked,
the chief operating officer Brad Jacobs, the great trainer Joe Goosen, the
long time former HBO executive Seth Abraham, the great CBS broadcaster Tim Ryan,
and others. It's just what do you think, Wing, First of all,
before we get into all this stuff about your career, when you hear
all those names that you're going to be standing alongside of on the stage getting
inducted, that's a pretty damn good class. What do you think when you
hear all those names that you're going in with, Oh, listen, First
of all, it's it's an honor, you know, it's it's you know,
I'm still in shock over it, but just to be considered with names
like these guys. It's just it's just a remarkable thing. And listen,
one of the things that people should know is you were the matchmaker on a
lot of those Raphael Mark has fights and a lot of the Timothy Bradley fights
first and foremost. And you're also not going to be the first person ever
from top rank at getting into the Hall of Fame, putting aside all the
great fighters a top rank has promoted through the years that have been inducted.
You're going to go in with your boss, Bob arm your mentor also a
matchmaker, Bruce Trampler, the two pr legends, the late Irving rud Our,
good friend Lee Samuels, and obviously alongside Brad Jacobs, who you work
with on a daily basis. I'm curious when you know you've you've been on
You were on the ballot for a few years before you got got the call
that you were being being elected. So when you finally got that call at
the end of last year to let you know, hey, you know you
are going to be inducted June, what did it mean to you? What
what do you think about when you first got that call. Oh, listen,
I it's still vivid in my mind. Then you know, um,
Ed called me up and I didn't have his numbers stared or anything like that,
so I was just getting a call, you know, from upstate New
York. I had no idea. But when he called me, you know,
um, you know, he told me, you know that that I
was in and he just asked me, since you know what, you know,
how do you feel about it? And I was basically speechless at first.
I mean I was in shock, um because like I said before,
you know, it's one it's an honor and two it's you can't get any
bigger than this. So you know, there were so many emotions that hit
all at once. Um. And like I said, you know, just
just to be around you know what guys like like Brad Jacobs and Joe Goose
and and said in ten uh and the fighters. I mean, it's just
you know, it's it's very humbling tonight. Well, let folks know just
so they know who we're talking about. When you mentioned Ed, you're talking
about Ed Brope, who is the directory. Yeah, no, that's good.
I mean he's a friend to many of us in boxing. I've known
Ed for years and they do a tremendous job, and I'm sure you're gonna
have a great time when you're up there during all the festivities for the weekend,
which interesting, by the way, you know, Top Rank has a
big show next on Saturday, the night before the Boxing Hall of Fame inductions
with the fight between Josh Taylor and TFM A. Lopez. Unfortunately, you
won't be able to be there, but you and Brad will be uh enjoying
yourselves in canis toda? I hope? Uh? When when I think about
you're going to the Hall of Fame, I think one of things when when
you're a boxer going in all of Fame, people can look at your resume,
can say when you started your career, when you won championships, and
what type of fights you had, and that sort of thing. When it's
somebody that's non participant, they don't necessarily know the person's background. So maybe
I mean, I know this because, as I said, we've known each
other for like thirty years. But just give a brief scription of how you
got involved and got your start in boxing. Okay, Well, my father,
my father's friend was the lawyer of Stan Hoffman, and this was back
in nineteen eighty three, and at that time, Stan Hoffman and Bob Bob
Aram, you know, they were best of friends. So one, you
know, one thing led to the next, you know, the my father's
friend. They asked, Stan, could you do me a favor? You
know, And it started out as a summer job in nineteen eighty three,
and I actually was working, you know, just as a messenger and clar
doing clerical work in the office. But it was really more you know,
for Irving Ruod, you know, the publicists. And by the way,
this is just so people know, this is when Top Ranks offices were still
located in New York City before moving to Las Vegas. And Stan Hoffman,
so people know, was a long time manager of lots of top fighters for
years. Yep. Rockman James Toney, I think at one point sort of
at the end of his career. But you know, like I said,
you know, I started working you know, under Irving Rud and just doing
you know, anything that you know, a fifteen sixteen year would be doing,
cutting paper clippings and running around the city doing messenger work. And for
some reason it was like I was obsessed and I always wanted to be a
matchmaker. Then I never had any of the desire but to be a matchmaker.
No desire to be a promoter or a manager, you know, nothing.
Just I always wanted to be a matchmaker. And even though I was
working under Irving rud at that time, I would always sit in the matchmaker's
office, which was with Bruce Trampla and Teddy Brenner. By the way,
I'm remiss when I mentioned the folks from top rank who were inducted into Hall
of Fame, I failed to mention Teddy Brenner, So my bad on that
he's also in the Hall of Fame and well deserved. The greatest matchmaker ever.
Um, and I just soaked everything up, you know, I had
listened to what they would say, Um, look at the board on who
was fighting any any any guy that would be you know, in his early
teens. You know, you know, you could just become really really interested
in you know, and you know, you just really enjoy every every part
of it. And then the next thing I knew, I was going on
the road with these guys to Atlantic City. And I was only maybe seventeen
already at that time. Um, but every every other week we would going
to Atlantic City, twice a week at that time. So it was just
a really really great experience. And and Bruce, you know, he took
me under his wing. And uh, you know, and I've said this
on numerous occasions, I owe everything to Bruce Tramplin. He gave me,
He gave me the opportunity of a lifetime. He believed me, he saw
something in me, you know, and I took full advantage of it.
But like I said, if it wasn't for Bruce, I won't even be
in this this situation. So I thank him, and you know, I
love him for everything that he's ever done. So, you know, just
getting into the Hall of Fame, the majority that had a lot to deal
with him, no doubting you will obviously will be inducted along. You know,
he's already been in there for a number of years, well deserved.
Now a lot of people they think, okay, you're the matchmaker, and
like, you know, obviously what does that mean? You make the matches?
But it's not exactly that easy. I mean there is. As I
have learned from you and others in my time covering boxing, it's it's a
very nuanced sort of profession. It's an inexact science, and it's difficult,
and there's a lot of pressures. There's demands from your promoter, there's demands
from the fans, there's there's pressures from media. Can't take just a minute
sort of if you could explain what what you actually do. What is like
you sit down at the desk in the office and you know, they present
to you, we got to put on this you know, uh X y
Z on this card, and then you got to make the fights and just
sort of briefly say, Okay, what do I do next? How do
I go about making the fight? And we're talking about a lot of this
younger guys. A lot of this is about the younger guys that don't have
uh you know, they're not the champions. They were talking about young prospects
and kids that are just getting started as you build them. Sure, well,
first, let let me just also say a lot of this stuff.
You know, where I got groomed into a full time matchmaker. I started
out working at the Orleans Hotel and we did monthly fights there and I did
that for about six years. And the difference between working a club show and
then working for a major promotion um is at a club show. You know,
you treat it like you're a fan and a fight that you want to
see, So there's really not a lot of pressure. Um if a guy
wins or loses, unless they're really really big ticket sellers and you know,
then then then you can protect them. Um. But working for for a
promoter such as top rank, um, you basically have to please the TV
network by making you know, somewhat of a competitive fight, decent fight,
you know, for the for the network and the fans. And also you
can't you can't really you know, under maatch these guys even though you know
you have to. So it's very it's very difficult as opposed to you know,
you know, if you were just working at a club show, you
have to you know, you're pleasing, You're pleasing to two sides here.
So I always wondered this, how do you you've obviously had a huge amoun
success, You've learned, like you mentioned, from some of the best in
the business, how do you do it so consistently now you're not batting a
thousand obviously, you've had top prospects that have maybe gotten beat once in a
while, or you know, outcomes that were not what you thought or what
you were hoping for. But more or less, you know, you get
the guys to where they have to go, whether it's the opportunity to fight
for a title, and then of course, once that is the case,
you know you know what happens is going to happen. But you've done it,
seems to me, I mean, dozens and dozens of prospects at least
get to the point where you they get a chance to step up in a
major fight. Then it's on them really to win or lose. Like you
know, it's on them in the early stages also, but you're matching them
in such a way where you know you're getting them the right experience. So
just tell me a little bit about the the like what you can sider like
the fine art of how you go about deciding a young kid who you should
fight and what your expectations are. Well, the toughest part is at the
beginning. Yeah, and that guys you know, have that ability and they
can hold their own. There's certain guys that have a little bit more um
and can stand up and fight a little bit more difficult than the next.
But it'll give you a perfect example, you know, loman Chenko didn't need
really needed to be protected or or shore Course Stevenson, you know, ke
Sean Davis. These guys, you know, are very very advanced when they
first started out as opposed to some other guys. Not taking away from their
their ability, but they just needed to a little bit more grooming, I
should say, more seasoning. A little bit more seasoning, Okay, like
with the guys you mentioned, like Keishan Lomanchenko, Kor and I mean we
could find others. You could be a little more aggressive matching them because they're
going to move more quickly. That that's what I'm That's what I'm saying.
Yeah, absolutely so. Also, let's let's take a moment just sort of
let people know. I'm gonna read a little list here then I that I
compiled and this is by no means everybody. This is just like guys that
I thought of off the top of my head. Peep. These are fighters
that you have been an integral part of making most of them from day one.
Some of them maybe you got them with a couple of fights under their
belt already, but basically you were making their matches and helped get them to
the World Championships that they won. Hall of Fame careers that they had,
Miguel Codo, Kelly Pavlock, Ivan Caldero and Mikey Garcia, Terrence Crawford,
Loma Chenko, Shakor, Stevenson, Oscar Valdez, Tia Fimo Lopez, Jose
Ramirez, Brandon Rios, Mike Alvarado, Juan Manuel Lopez, Steven Leebano,
Mikhael Lemayer, on and on and on. It goes. How many world
champions have you been involved with making? And I'm talking like whether it's like
say pro debut or very early in their careers. I'm not talking about maybe
a guy the top ranks signs who's already made fighter and you know you're there
when they get the world title from the world title, but guys that you
guys and gals that you've had pretty much from the early days. Oh wow,
I think it's more than I lost count. You know, I just
enjoy it, you know, watching them from day one, you know,
and then becoming successful by winning a world title. That means more to me
than anything. Was there a guy or or a female boxer that you worked
with that that when you've signed them and you got a hold of them and
you started doing their matches, like there was never a doubt in your mind,
like you could be as aggressive as necessary, and you're like this,
guys are going to win world titles and be top fighters. Oh absolutely,
you know what. You know what with loman Chenko, even though he lost
his second pro fight with Orlando Solito, you can see, you can see
what he was made of then he just needed a few adjustments and he got
that experience from that fight. You know he was going to be a champion,
and he was right after that by beating Gary Russell. You know,
it was Shakur Stevenson, you know. And Shakur he's the kind of guy
that six th guaranteed be a thirty five pound world champion, and I'm confident
to say he'll even go to forty and forty seven and win a title.
He's remarkable the kid. Yeah, I don't I don't disagree with that assessment
at all. Now on the con on the flip side of that, I'm
sure there have been fighters that you signed at top rank where you know it
was maybe a little more difficult, where maybe you had questions in your mind,
like okay, you know, no matter what, you know, you
were able to do in terms of the matchmaking, you still weren't quite sure
could a guy get there, and they actually, because of their work,
because of your work, they did get there. And it maybe surprised you
a little bit that, like, you know, maybe originally you didn't think
they were as good as they turned out to be. Can you name up
maybe one or two of those guys? I mean, I can think of
a guy right off, right off the top of my head, you know.
I remember, like it was yesterday when Jose Ramirez for Amiramn ye and
I was so scared of that fight, and I remember just saying, you
know, just stay focused, stay focused. If you get hit, you
know, keep your hands up, stay fold. Yeah yeah, yeah,
yeah, I'm gonna do it. I'm gonna do it. I would do
it. But he really really turned into somebody special, you know, by
winning all these titles. Um at the beginning, you know, I was
worried at first because you know, I'd heard a couple of times he got
dropped by that Johnny Garcia. I remember that. So yeah, so you
didn't he didn't expect him to, you know, go to Dallas, you
know, and be you know, Maurice Hooker, and then you know,
put up such a great fight with Josh Taylor and stuff, but you know
he's something special and he'll win another title also. Now, one thing that
you have, one thing that you have to do is as the matchmaker,
you have to deal directly sometimes with the managers. With the fighters. You
have to gain their trust. Obviously you know they've signed with top rank,
but once they're signed with top rank, basically that those early days of their
career are largely in your hands, like as you mold them by putting the
opponents in front of them and doing right by them. Is it hard to
gain that trust of the fighter and manager. You may not really know right
off the bat. You've got to develop that relationship. Hey, you know,
early on it wasn't It was very easy. Now it's a little bit
harder. Everybody, you know, wants to be protected, except certain fighters
that are willing to fight anybody. But I would say now it's a little
bit more difficult, you know, gaining that trust. And because everybody so
I don't want to say paranoid, but you know, they don't want to
be considered like a B side type kind of guy, even though they're on
the A side, you know, right, and right now Top Rank.
You know, and I've said this for a while. I mean, it's
not any secret, I mean to me, and there's a lot of great
prospects in boxing and a lot of top promotion companies that have them. But
it seems to me that that you guys at top rank have definitely the deepest
group of guys out there. I mean being a couple of the you know,
three or four of the guys that you're working with right now. We
know about Keishan Davis, he's a prospect of the year, Jared Anderson a
prospect of the year. How about a couple other guys more a tie who's
obviously looked very good in you Got you got, Bruce Callington, you know
who I'm very high on. I'm extremely high also on Abdullah Mason, eighteen
year old kid out of Cleveland, Ohio. He's something special. You know,
he reminds me of Shakoor. You know when when Shakoor first started.
Um, let me see it. I mean there's there's so many you know,
I like Tiger Johnson. Um, I like his lankiness, you know,
I like his job. Um, you know, I'm you know this,
I can't think of everybody, but we have about you know, you
know, I'd say at least ten guys that were real, real high on
definitely think that championship material, no question. Yeah, Now listen you all
you mentioned you have certain guys you got to move at a certain you know.
It seems to me top rank is giving you the leeway to move guys
at a pace that you you know, and to you know, you and
Bruce will discuss it or you and the other people at the company about how
quickly how not so quickly to move a certain guy. But I always wonder,
you know, do you get ever pressures from either Arum or Todd,
the buff the present of the company, you know, because they've got money
invested in the guy that they want you to move a little more quickly or
they have a big investment, or are they basically for all the general times
just kind of leave you alone and let you do your thing. They leave
me, they leave us alone. Name Bruce M. Todd. Todd wants
to put on solid you know fights um whether we you know, we have
a lot of a lot of money invested. If they lose, you know,
they lose, you know, doesn't mean it's the end of the world.
Um, but Todd wants to, you know, please the network,
and the ESPN is already pleased with the fights, and um, we have
to keep continuing to do that. One thing I've sort of come to learn
is while you're busy making those early day fights for the young guys and they
kind of everybody leaves you alone and where the matchmaking is the most critical.
Once they get to a certain level, they become a big attraction, they
become a star, they become a champion. It seems like the matchmaking takes
a little bit of a backseat. I'm not to say it's not important,
but the pressure has become more related to like or we're selling tickets, we're
doing TV ratings, we're selling pay per view. Do you sort of look
at it like, once you get a guy to a certain level, the
matchmaking is not as important as when a guy's three oh five and oh eight
and oh nine and oh yeah, it's at the beginning. You're building them
up to a certain to a certain point where it gets to the promoters and
the TV you know, dealing with that. Um you know, like like
I'll give you a perfect example, you know, like a Jared Anderson you
know, he's at a level right now where you know, we built him
to a certain point. Now it's really like the TV and you know,
the higher ups like Jeremy and Todd and Carl you know, you know,
to deal with the organizations and get him into a situation, you know where
he can be either a mandatory or he fights for a title or a vacant
title whatever. You know, Jared, you know, is somebody that I'm
extremely excited about because if he's everything that we all think he can be,
I think he's going to be so big. I think he's gonna be the
biggest thing in boxing. Well. I mean a lot of people think he's
the future heavyweight champion of the world. He certainly looked good. He's got
that experience of working on the gym with Tyson Fury and maybe the guy that
replaced him at some point when Fury decides to call it a day. Now.
One thing, as I said, I've known you for a very long
time. You've been a good friend of mine for a very long time.
I know you're not a huge You're not huge on public speaking, So I
wonder one of the things that I'm going to wrap this up, you go
to the Hall of Fame. You're standing on that stage. There's gonna be
a lot of great champions and a lot of great boxing people around me,
a lot of fans in the stands, in the in the audience. Have
you thought about what you're gonna say when you get up there, and you
got a couple of minutes to sort of you know, we've taken a lot
of time here to discuss your days and your career and everything. But then
you've got a few minutes you talked to thought about what you're gonna say when
you get inducted into the Hall. Oh? Absolutely, I mean I have
it all said already. It's more more, you know, thanks for you
know, the people that that really got me there. So it's really about
them, not really about me or anything like that. And obviously, like
I said, you know, you know, Bruce is gonna be getting you
know, a nice little shout out obviously taught and Bob you know, forgiving
me that opportunity as well. And you know, it's a combination of a
ton of people that got me to where I am today. And you know,
I can't forget you know, in top rank actually moved out to Las
Vegas and eighty eight. I work with Ron Katz for quite a few years
with Eddie Brenner, so I owe a ton of ton of ton of respect,
you know to run. Hey, listen, I'll give a shout out
Ron as a long time matchmaker who should be on the ballot at some point
in Hall of Fame. Might no question. You have a ton of guys,
Tom Brown, Ron Katsu, Alex Campanova, who does the shows for
the Late you know, great tech, Ken Thompson. He does a remarkable
job, you know, with the budget that he has, He's built champions
before, you know, Robert Diaz. There's tons of guys. So that's
why I say, I'm so humbled, you know, over this whole situation,
because if it wasn't me, it could have been the next person.
And they're going to have this shine whether it's next year or in two years.
But there's a ton of guys out there, and I just thank everybody.
Well, I thank you for being on with me today. Bradley,
I wish you think about the best thing you make your speech, and I
will miss you in New York on Sunday because you're gonna be off celebrating at
the Hall of Fame. But thank you so much for doing this in the
congratulations you got it, Dan, thanks again for everything, Thank you and
again cool stuff. He will be part of the Hall of Fame. And
again he was at your wedding as you mentioned, and you I like what
you said before we ever played the interview back at the beginning of the podcast.
You've known this guy even before you started covering boxing full time, going
back some thirty years. So this gotta be a little special for one Dan
Raphael. I'll tell you a quick story. The way I first encountered him
was back in the day in the in the early days of the Internet.
We both participated in a boxing message board and I was looking for some somebody
to trade some videos with. And I was back in the old remember the
old AOL instant messenger. Yes, say oh, I love that. I
love Aol instant Messenger where it would just play. It was like the early
text message. It would be blink on your AOL. So I was looking
for some somebody to trade some videos. I had a modest collection at that
time. The thing Jack the early part of the Rayfield Sickness on memorabilia collecting
thirty years ago. Your trade I was already collecting the posters and programs back
then, but I was looking for some videos and so again we had participated
in the message board, and Brad hit me up on our instant message and
we started to go back and forth about it and that so we would trade
the messages on AOL and then it was like okay. Then we like finally
exchanged phone numbers. A week we called each other up, we discussed it,
and as it turned out, I was going to go to New York
City to visit one of my good friends. I was living in Binghamton.
Actually at the time, I was living in Saratoga. I was going to
go to Binghamton rather to New York City to visit a friend of mine who
lived in Manhattan. And at the time, Brad was living in Queens and
I told him I was going to be in town, and it turned out
that that was the weekend that I was going to be There was supposed to
be the night that Evander Holyfield fought against Henry Akinwanda at Madison Square Guard Ultimately
that card was canceled. Henry Akinwande had a positive test for hepatitis. Christy
Martin's opponent was pregnant. It was like there was a good train wreck.
But the fight got canceled. And just in case you want to know,
yes, I have the poster in my collection even though card. Okay,
yeah so, but I had so. But the thing is, Brad was
going with some of his friends to the event and had said to me,
since you're going to be in New York, you know, we have some
neck. We have an extra ticket if you want to come with us,
come to the fight with us. I was like thrilled. I was going
to meet him in person for the first time. We're gonna go to the
fights. It's gonna be a fun time. I'm also there visiting another friend
of mine. But then the card got canceled, but I didn't cancel my
trip because I was still going to see my friend. So Brad says,
you know what, not no fight, but why don't you come up and
see me in Queens. Will hang out, we'll get some lunch, we'll
make some tapes out of his library. So that sounds a good, good
idea. So I took the you know, the subway up to Queens.
I met him, we had lunch, made some tapes in his apartment,
hung out, for a bit. So that was like my introduction and you
know, fast forward thirty years later. As you mentioned, we've been friends
for many years. He was a guest at my wedding, I have stated,
at his house in Las Vegas on a couple of occasions. You know,
what can I say? So I was happy to on a more professional
level do the interview with him. Let people hear about this. Uh,
this guy that's been a stalwart in the boxing business for so long and is
right taking his place in the International Boxing Hall of Fame comes Sunday. Love
it with the rest of that Hall of Fame class. More on that late
in a week, Dan, I'll be writing more about that on his substack.
We'll have more on Bigfight Weekend dot com with the Hall of Fame stuff
this weekend. All right, let's move on to some news, more news
off the weekend here as we progress, Alexander USA a couple of different items.
First of all, the defense with Daniel Dubois is moving back a couple
of weeks to the end of August. Part of the motivation, a big
part of the motivation is that they want this around Ukrainian Independence Day, which
is August. The twenty fourth, so it's a slight change to move it
back a couple of weeks from August the twelve to August the twenty six,
still going to be in Poland, but also interesting that Usak has flown to
Saudi Arabia and on Saturday was part of a press conference in Saudi Arabia where
he is aligned as a co promoter with Skill Challenge Promotions, which if that
sounds familiar, and even if it doesn't, they were involved previously in some
other boxing promotions including the Jake Paul Tommy Fury fight. Okay, so what
do you make of the date change? Usi Dubois and now it almost seems
like this is a first step to getting the Tyson Fury fight done at some
point in Saudi Arabia with him aligning with the Saudi Arabian back Skill Challenge Promotions.
Dan Raphael, what do you make of all of it? Well,
first of all, Usk was involved with them from the standpoint that even though
he wasn't promoted by them, these are the same folks that were involved in
bank rolling having his rematch against Anthony Joshua that took place in Saudi Arabia,
that they were so that's how they sort of got to know each other to
some degree. And obviously there's been a lot of conversation about a big heavyweight
card with either one fighter, maybe two fights at the end of this year.
And obviously if Usik is not part of their group along with you know
his current promoter, you know, Alex Grassier from K two Promotions, that
just sort of helps grease the wheels to make that happen. Obviously, I'm
sure that part of that agreement was, you know, whatever terms or might
be for that kind of fight, and that will probably help facilitate that,
and even if it doesn't, it will help facilitate in having a defense in
a location where they can have a lot of money at state because the Saudis
are involved. So that's a good thing for USK as far as moving the
fight from the data was scheduled for August of twelve to August of twenty sixth,
because they're gonna have it now just a couple of done the same weekend,
if you will, same you know, a couple of days after Ukraine
Independence Day. I'm kind of surprised they didn't do that in the first place.
If that was really part of their motivation. I mean, I was
not personally aware of what the Ukraine Independence Day was, but that sounds kind
of like an interest thing. It's kind of an interesting thing. It's kind
of like, you know, in the United States, there's a loft and
times a big event on in the in the second week of September, which
is the Mexican Independence Day weekend, so there'll be a big Mexican themed fight.
Obviously, Ukraine borders Poland. There's lots and lots of Polish folks that
are Ukrainian folks that live in Poland. Many of them maybe have been displaced
because of the war with Russia. So it's about as close as he can
get the fighting at home. They're going to do it in the stadium in
a war Claw, Poland, where has hosted a fight in the past.
That was a major fight back in the day when Vitali Klitschko was the WBC
heavyweight champion and he defended against the big polar star Thomas Adamec. And so
yeah, good for them, they'll they'll make it into a Ukrainian event,
I guess. And after that fight is over is when I guess the agreement
with the folks that skill challenge begins, and hopefully it will help facilitate one
of these big mega heavyweight fights, whether it's against Tyson Fury or somebody else,
maybe Deonte Wither. We'll say, you gotta love US's comment through the
through the interpreter, which was Tyson Fury doesn't want this fight, but we're
gonna make it now because he's almost making chess moves. We're trying to connect
it for the money in Saudi Arabia, and let's see what ends up happening
with that, all right. A couple of other news items wrote about this
on Sunday. I want Big Dan's thoughts on this. Dmitri Bevil's manager of
a Deem cornellof gave an interview to ESPN Knockout, which is the Spanish version
of their web cau Ridge to Chava Rodriguez Salvador Chava Rodriguez. So the subject
matter was Cannelo Alvarez versus Beeble for September and cornal Off, the manager for
Dmitri Beebole, basically says that at this point in the negotiations he characterized it
as stupid. It is stupid what they're being offered, and to paraphrase,
they're basically offering the same terms as the first fight, which we won,
and so right now it's looking less and less likely like the Beebles side will
agree now how much of this is posturing to get more money. Time will
tell. Dan. What are your thoughts seeing those comments come out off the
weekend. My thoughts is that even though Cannello Alvarez was the loser of the
fight, he's the one with the leverage because he's the start and people was
not. And as much as Beeble has got immense talent and I love him
as a fighter and he's a good dude and all that, they just don't
have the They don't have the leverage to force his hand because Cannello has the
opportunity to do any number of other fights where he can fight pretty much anybody,
and they don't have that type of option. So I don't know what
the offer is, but I believe he made in the like whatever was like
five six million dollar range or something along those lines when they fought the fight
that took place last year. So if he's being offered in that same sort
of ballpark, I mean, is there some other fight in that exists in
the world where he can make that kind of money. I would say the
answer is absolutely not so. I mean, and that even includes if he
were to fight a better BF or whoever, especially especially because you talked to
Dmitri bo Bole and a cornelof Cornilov joined in on the interview earlier this year,
and Kornilov admitted to you they were having talks about a better BF undisputed
title fight for this summer, this time frame, and what was the hold
up. There's not money, There's not significant money to make it happen.
Is in his words, it was not serious. It was not serious money
for that to fight. The other thing about that, by the way,
is better BF had a mandatory which is now going to take place against against
Calum Smith. That's been announced, that's taking place this summer, and if
you wanted to be it for undisputed, whether you agree with it or disagree
with that, the WBC is very steadfast and saying they're not going to sanction
Bevole to fight for the WBC title because they're they're keeping up with their their
ruling about a Russian fighters fighting for their titles. Now you can say,
well, better BF is also Russian, but the reality is better BF has
lived and trained and is a citizen of Canada for the past fifteen years,
so you know, he's sort of not in that same boat that's there.
That's what they've decided to do. So the better BF fight, in my
opinion, was never like a realistic thing, and it wouldn't pay him that
kind of money anyway. So look, they're gonna have to go through the
process and negotiate and you know, try to get the best deal they can.
I don't know if this is a matter of Cannello trying to force their
hand to have him stay at light heavywey, because Cannello was position is of
I'm going to do this rematch. I wanted to be at one seventy five
where I lost in the first place. So people can't say I forced him
to one sixty and wait trained him. You know, I don't know if
I believe that. But the point is any big fight negotiations are never easy,
particularly when one side has like ninety five percent of the leverage the other
guy doesn't. And you know, again I'm not knocking the b ball team,
but they I don't know if they necessarily thought this through because they've not
really done anything to try to get another fight. They thought they might get
better be it, but that quickly was not happening. So what have they
been doing? Since? You can't just put all your eggs in the Canelo
basket. He's the world champion you know of the w B A light haveyweight.
He's also on the pound for pound list. You got to go out
there and try to make something of your own. Don't go chasing Canello.
Try to create something on your own, and that has not obviously at this
point, hasn't been fruitful. You know, how often do you see the
guy that won, in essence is kind of the one begging for the rematch
even though he won well, and it only leads to okay, what else
is out there? And just real quick, Joshua Buautsi is the number one
contender for the WBA and how lucrative is that? Are you going to probably
have to go fight him in England to make decent money? I mean,
yeah, A couple of things about that. Number One, not a lot
of money in that fight, right number who probably would have to go fight
him in England for that? Although I don't think that's a problem. I
mean, Beboll has fought in the UK before he was certainly had no problem
fighting Canello in Las Vegas, where you know that's sort of like his town
relatively speaking. It's even more difficult now with Bulatzi because it's one thing because
Bible is aligned with Matchroom Boxing and Buatzi was with Matchroom Boxing, but they
broke up recently. Now he's fighting for the level promoter in the UK with
Boxer on Sky Sports, so it just adds another layer of difficulty to making
them match. Frankly, let's be honest, Buatzi was so boring in his
last fight that I think he turned a lot of people off. That was
his debut for Boxer. There's no public demand for the fight between beeble and
and Buwatzi whatsoever. I mean, no knock on Bulatzi, but I don't
think anybody would would. I mean, if it happens, okay, no
problem, Buatzi would be a huge underdog. I mean, is that a
big fight. I don't think so. So you know, look down the
rankings and see who else is out there. If you know the thing about
the light heavyweight division, there's not another unification fight to make because a better
BA has got three of the titles and Bible's got fourth, so your choices
are you can I guess theoretically could could maybe do Boazzi. That's hard,
h Cannello. Obviously we've discussed what the issues are. I mean, what
else is there? I mean, is he gonna do a Rema's gonna be
already Ramirez, who was the at that time the number one for the w
BA unbeaten. You beat him, so he's probably not coming. He's probably
not gonna fight again at light heavyweight anyway. Zerdo Ramrez will probably be a
cruiserweight when he comes back. Joe Smith, the former champion, he already
beat him. Uh, there's no great demand for that fight, and Joe
hasn't fought since. Are there better be a you know, smoked him in
a couple arounds last summer, So I mean we can go on down that
list. There's not a lot of options in the light heavyweight division for him
to fight, so it would behoove him to figure out a way to get
the deal done with Caneloum and listen. In my opinion, if he doesn't
get the deal done with Canello, unfortunate for Bebo. But hopefully that means
that there's gonna be some interest in Canello maybe looking towards the David Benevidi's a
fight where there's been an offer made on the Benavides side, and maybe they
can get that worked out, because that's the best fight. That's the biggest
fight. I mean, I don't care what anybody says. I mean,
I'll die in this hill. The biggest fight in the super middleweight division,
bar none, One of the biggest fights in boxing, bar none, is
Canelo Alvarez defending the undisputed super meddleweight title against the undefeated interim title holder Mexican
American against Mexican national Cannelo Alvarez. That is a huge fight. That's a
great fight in the ring. It's a great promotion. Showtime will do a
knock up, bang up job on that promotion like they do on these big
fights. That to me, it dwarfs the interest. But I'll make this
point if Cannello, he's at a stage of his career were because he's made
so much money that if he decides I want the Beeble fight more than anything,
that's his progative. He wants to take less money, fine with me,
But I mean he says he wants to fight the fights the public wants.
I believe, in my interaction with boxing fans on a daily basis,
plus my own thoughts and many others I have talked to in this business,
the biggest and the best fight for Canelo Alvaretz this exact moment in time is
to fight David Denabids, not the meet your Beeble. I agree with you,
and we'll see if the negotiations come back around and Beeble gets a little
more of what he wants. I think the bigger hang up and then we're
about to move on is what weight is the fight had at? Because I
think Beevil from their standpoint, I totally understand the mentality. What do we
have to prove again by fighting you at light heavyweight and beating you again?
We already did that. What we would want is okay, step back to
one sixty eight and beat you there and get all the titles at one sixty
eight. That would be a bigger deal for the Beevil camp to prove something
so wants to get. He wants to do it out to seventy five pound
weight so we can't be accused of weight training Beeble. If there's a way
to overcome that you can't overcome the weight's going to be the weight. What
you could do if if the biggest thing for Beevil is I want to also
be undisputed champion and Canello wants to fight for the light heavyweight title. I
know this doesn't change what the number on the scale will be for the weight.
They could do a thing where they fight at one sixty eight and they
fight for all of Cannello's belts and they also put the Beeball title up.
That would not be unprecedented. It happened when Ray Leonard fought Don Lalan Yes
for the super middleweight and for the light heavyweight title. It happened when Gervati
Davis and Leo Santa Cruz fought Had one hundred and thirty and they put the
thirty five pound title at stake. Also, it's not unprecedented, and that
might be one way to work it out. But Cannello would have to be
willing to not go to one seventy five, and then be Ball would have
to be still willing to fight at one sixty eight. I mean, otherwise
there's no there's no catchweight because it's either one title or the other, and
he doesn't wantchweight. The issue. The issue is not going up to one
seventy five for light heavyweight. The issue is you can't fight for his titles
at one sixty eight if you're weighing above one sixty eight. That's what you're
saying, That's what we get. We'll see what they decide to do there
with Beeble, a couple of other news items, some nostalgia, and then
we're done on what's been a busy recap podcast. Tim Zoo by the way,
since last year and I talked, we theorize that at some point this
weekend he would be heard from publicly. He has. He says he fully
intends to still fight two weekends from now, not this coming weekend, but
on the seventeenth in the US, the eighteenth Sunday afternoon in Australia, after
literally a dog bite, and not just an insignificant dog bite, and there's
still legitimate concern. I would think as Sunday becomes Monday, Monday becomes Tuesday,
that everything's still okay. There's no infection, he's taking antibiotics for the
dog bite and everything else that is associated with whatever happened. But he at
least proclaimed this weekend I intend to defend and I'm going to be good,
and I'm even back training and I'm able to use the right hand. So
for what it's worth, there we go. Dan. He said he was
in training like on the Monday. I mean, and obviously the surgery wasn't
super serious, but he still had some kind of procedure. He's still from
what the tim Zoo team Ted said to me. I exchanged emails with a
member of his team who said to me that he had twenty six stitches to
close the wound. So that's not in my mind, twenty six stitches in
your forearm, in your right for him, that is not insignificant. But
boxers are often built differently than normal people, so that's one thing. He
must have a bigger threshold for pain and all. I can't imagine he's actually
using his right hand with any serious way. I guess over the last few
days. I gotta have to let a hill a little bit. But he's
gonna go through with the fight. I don't know if it's the smartest thing
in the world. I mean, you're kind of not showing any respect to
all Campo. You're saying you can basically beat him one handed. But I
mean it is what it is. On the right hand, I'm just laughing
because I'm thinking because this is the way that I think. I'm thinking about
those old British comedies Monty Python the movies and the one the one where the
night has his arms cut off and blood squirting and it's just obvious lapstick and
he's saying it's just a flesh wound. I can continue, it's just a
flesh wound for Tim Zoo. I think I'll throw that in on the podcast,
just a flesh run on the dogpit. If Tim Zoo does in fact
wind up going through with the fight against Carlisle Campo, which it seems like
that is going to be the case, and if he does lose, I
don't want to hear any excuses. We all you know this is you've made
the decision. Yes. And by the way, I think the biggest thing
also will be coming up this you know this week is when he's supposed to
have the stitches removed. I guess right, so that will probably there'll be
some more glue from that. And by the way, I know of cases
this is in pro sports stuff that I've covered. I know people with this.
This is not Dan, just as simple as okay, you have the
stitches out all the time and there's no complications. There can be complications even
if you have the stitches out. So we're not trying to overdramatize this.
Maybe it's not that big a deal, Tim Zusa Fine time will tell they're
doing it in a what it's called the Gold Coast Convention and Exhibition Center in
the on the Gold Coast of Australia, in a place called broad Beach.
And if I watched the media availability which this promotion team sent out so you
could see what he said about it, and he was there with George Rose,
who's the promoter, and George was saying, look, we are the
building is sold out. I mean he's a big draw, as we've discussed
in Australia, so he is a big event for them. So if he's
ready to go, I guess he's ready to get And when is this is?
Have him come through if you can and get Charlo healed up and ready
to go so they can finally meet in that long away to fight between And
to your point, the the WBO in his case has already said, Charlo,
you've got to fight him by what is a date certain September thirtieth.
I think at the end of the month September, you gotta be you gotta
be there by September. You got to have a world title fight and follow
through with Zoo or we're going to elevate him and call him the WBO champ
and strip you. So it all goes into motion. Hopefully this fight happens
and we'll see what happens on a right. Showtime has made a couple of
other boxing announcements. I saw you, I saw you put this on the
run now, um, And I thought, are we ever going to hear
from the other Charlo, Jamal Charlo who told anybody that would listen for like
the last ninety days that he's fighting this summer. When is he fighting?
Because there's not an announcement of when Jamal Charlo is fighting. That's not in
these announcements, right, don't tease me. This is not a Jamal Charlowe
announcement for July, right or any of that. It isn't. And then
these these fights I'm going to talk about are not announcements that Showtime has made.
They haven't made these. This is a combination of reporting. I have
done. Others have reported also. The let's start with the first one.
The first one is the return of Jeron Boots Ennis, who is now the
IBF Interim welterweight title holder. That that belt was made available because of the
waiting game on Spence and Crawford. The IBF fight broke their rules basically,
but allowed him to fight for the vacant interim title. He won that belt
on the undercard when Tank Davis had to fight against Hector Louise Carcia back in
January. That took place in Washington, d C. And another fight that
was on that card was Raymind. Villa had a victory on that card also
when he had a twelve round decision against Rashid Ellis. So the two of
them won on the same card with each other. Now boots Ennis is going
to make that first interim defense against Villa, and that is a fight that's
supposed to headline on Showtime on July eighth, that will take place at the
Borgotic Casino in Atlantic City. And so, like I said, I reported
it, my friends, a boxing scene reported it, and then like soon
after we all reported it, he had boots Tennis even though Showtime had announced
it PBC had announced it. He had Boots Tennis on his Twitter feed saying
I'm fighting this fight on July eighth on Showtime. So that fight again,
it's not officially announced, but I'm telling you the fight's made and it's gonna
happen July. And we listened to you, and we listen to you for
this reason. Let me give you one quick take from me. I want
your opinion. I think this is the most dangerous guy that doesn't have a
title at one forty seven. You mentioned the IBF interim thing, but Boots
Ennis is the most dangerous guy in that division for whomever wins, Spence,
Quawford or anybody else. My opinion, your take, I mean, that's
not an unreasonable take. I mean, he's got the interim title, He's
an undefeated fighter at thirty and zero, He's only twenty five years old,
He's got twenty seven KOs. He's been one of the top young fighters in
boxing for years. He has got an exposure on Showtime. He hasn't had
a very active schedule of the last couple of years, partly pandemic related.
Partly because once you get to the position as a number one contender, unfortunately
things slowed down a bit while you wait for that mandatory fight. But the
thing is that the winner of the fight between Errol Spence and Terrence Crawford,
in my opinion and certainly at least in the welterweight division, will never fight
Boots Ennis because two things will happen. Either A, the winner of that
fight is going to be obligated to fight the loser in a mandated rematch if
the loser opts to invoke that right, and if that does happen, they'll
fight again. If it doesn't happen, then I think it's very obvious that
both Spence and Crawford are going to go to one fifty four and leave the
welterweight division to the younger guy, so to call, Boots, and it's
the best, most dangerous guy lurking in the weight class other than Crawford and
Spence is not. I don't think you're going out on a limb there.
What I thought you're going to say is that Via looks like maybe his best
opponent, which, based on the way he performed against Rashidi Ellis, I
think is probably the case. Now he won a split decision was awfully close,
but Via showed he's got something about him. He's only got one defeat,
not a big puncher, so that seems like a reasonable fight. It's
not a hugely expensive fight, you know, but it's it's a nice fight.
By fighting in Atlantic City, he's fighting right near his hometown of Philadelphia.
It's about thirty minutes by car to go from Philly to the Borgata,
which, by the way, hasn't done a lot of boxing. I've covered
a fight there. They did a fight in their ballroom years ago. I
think they've only hosted maybe a couple of smaller cards over the years. But
one big card they were involved with was not in there on their property,
took place at Boardwalk Hall, but they were the host hotel and that was
the which was a big fight at the time, was when Bernard Hopkins defeated
Antonio Tarver. It's a beautiful hotel and hopefully they draw nice crowd from Philly
for that fight. The other fight that I wanted to talk about, which
again not officially announced, but in my reporting this is happening. The Arrow
Spence protege, the lightweight Frank Martin, who had the big win at the
end of last year against Michelle Rivera when they were two undefeated fighters taking each
other on. Who's now seventeen and oh with twelve knockouts? He is going
to be fighting in a what is going to be a I believe it's a
semi final liminator of the WBC taken on a former Olympian name artem Hears hard
name to pronounce heart a tunion right now, Lana. He is a Germany
based fighter. He is from Armenia. He's never fought outside of a Germany,
but he had a decorated amateur career, was in the Olympic Games.
So that will be a fight. Though beyond Showtime again, the date is
not one hundred percent. They're still dealing with what that's going to be.
It's either going to be July fifteenth or July twenty second. Those have been
two dates that have been sort of in the offing for a while. When
I spoke to Derek James a couple of weeks ago, he mentioned that Frank
would be fighting in July. He thought it would be the fifteenth. I
think Showtime is trying to figure out what they want to do. They're loading
up the schedule partly because they've got some obligations partly because they want to get
in some fights prior to the beginning of the big schedule of other sports that
take place in the fall with baseball playoffs and the NFL and college football,
etc. Beginning of the NHLNBA, when it gets a very crowded landscape.
You get more stuff in the summer. That's good for them, but also
they want to have programming about boxing and the lead up to help, you
know, make sure that people are aware of and know about Errol Spencing Crawford
and do the best job they can to market that fight. So you're gonna
have a busy July, so Boots in the early part of the month,
Frank Martin coming back for this fight in the middle of the month, and
then of course at the end of the month, you'll have Spencing Crawford.
So Showtime putting together their summer schedule right now. And by the way,
they did announce officially that Carlos Adamas, who has the interim WBC middleweight title,
will fight Julian Jay Rock Williams, a former unified champion, and that
is for the interim belt that Jamal Charlo has. And here's hoping at some
point soon that Mauricio Suleiman and the WBC follow their own rules and say,
did Jamal Charlo get in the ring or you are stripped? It's been two
years. But that fight, by the way that they just the announcement you're
speaking about that they put out, that was really I think that was more
of like to do an announcement on its own help bring up ticket sales.
But that fight was announced wait a while ago when they went through their art
shows that they announced that took us from the you know, the midspring to
the early summer, so that that's not a surprise card. But that's another
event on their calendar at the end of June, no doubt. Nostalgia time
two as well. That includes today in two thousand and five, some eighteen
years ago, the hit Man Ricky Hatton and speaking of Tim Zoo, he
of the Flesh Wound, Tim Zoo's dad, Costa Zoo, the Hall of
Famer. He and Ricky Hatton scrapped and the hit Man actually got a victory
in this one. Give me some more on this nostalgia here. This was
a huge fight Costa Zoo. He had become the undisputed champion one hundred and
forty pounds. He had ended up a lou you know, giving up or
being stripped of two of the titles. This is back still when it was
three belts to be undisputed. But he still was the IBF champion. He
was still the you know, the lineal champion if you will. He was
the number one guy. He was, you know, he was the favorite
going into the fight. He went to Manchester, England, which is Ricky
Hatton's hometown. Gave Ricky the shot in this fight. It was a huge
fight for Ricky. You know, he had had some other wins against some
decent names, but no one that was at the level of Aksa Zoo,
who was just the dominant force at one hundred and forty pounds. I don't
think he can overestimate how much of a feared fighter he was at that point.
I mean, I know he had suffered the upset loss a few years
earlier to cool Vince Phillips that took the title from him. He got himself
back together. He ended up beating good fighters, top fighters and unifying the
titles he didn't you know. He defeated Sembe Mitchell, which is a big
win for him. He knocked out zab Jude very memorably. He had knocked
out Miguel Angel Gonzalez. He had beaten some good fighters anyway, So he
goes to Manchester and Ricky Hatton turns in what to this day is still probably
his his his crowning achievement, his crowny moment, as big a fight,
as most significant victory of his entire career. And they fought that fight.
And Ricky Hatton, he basically, you know, was the younger fresher,
just a bull, strong guy, was not going to take no for an
answer in the ring that night, and uh, you know, he imposed
himself in a big way on Costa Zoo. Big huge victory cannot be understated,
was live on showtime despite the time difference. They showed it on showtime
in a primetime hour time, so it was super late at night in the
UK when this happened, and it really launched Rick Yeah, and Costa Zoo
retired after this fight, didn't fight again. And who'd have thought here we
are, what eighteen years after that night, that we're talking about his son
Tim Zoo fighting in a defense of his interim world title. And even his
other son, Nikita, is now professional boxer also with a couple of fights
under his belt. So Costa Zoo was a tremendous fighter, a worthy Hall
of famer, but that was the fight that sent him into retirement. He
never came back and the hitman Ricky Hatton, the legend grew and You've talked
to us numerous times on the podcast about how rabid his following was, especially
for fights in Las Vegas, etc. For later on when he was having
them, so there was no nostalgia. There is no fighter I have covered
who maybe for one event you might can think of like a bigger deal fight.
But I covered Ricky's fights in America, and as a totality, you
just didn't have bigger fights. I mean, his fight with Floyd Mayweather is
one of the hallmark fights I have ever covered in terms of just the hooplah
and the chaos and the pandemonium of the entire fight week. That's the one
where as urban legend says, the MGM Grand ran out of beer and and
all that, and same with the you know, the Manny Patio fight was
a huge deal. Even when he won the welterweight belt in Boston against Louis
Collazzo was a big deal. So but that was the fight that launched him.
And you know, Ricky probably should be considered for the All of Fame
himself. He's been on the ballot for a few years, so he hasn't
gotten a lot of support, I don't think, but uh, I'm starting
to come around and think that he belongs there because I know it's the Hall
of Fame and it's about what have you done in the ring, and he
did a lot in the ring, but you can't in boxing is different than
other sports. A big part of what makes you as a fighter is do
you elicit a motion from people? Do you bring fans? Yes? You
bring exposure to the sport. And Ricky Hatton was one of the biggest fighters
in the history of the sport to bring people into the sport and to put
on nasam events. And while we're just sitting here feeling old, his son,
Campbell Hatton is now working his way up as a as a new prospect
fighter who's had a few pro fights. Fighting over in England. We're getting
old Rayfield. So are we going to see if cape old Campbell's fighting as
a lightweight? He's about like eight or nine and zero. You got Tim
Zoo fighting at junior middleweight to someday we see Zoo or maybe it's the younger
Zoo. Do we see a Zoo son fight against Campbell Hatton down the road
someday? Do you want to talk about feeling old my friend? Oh?
All right, good stuff there on the nostalgia. By the way, we
never touched on this and we don't have to do any more on this.
But it is the fourth anniversary of Andy Ruise shocking Anthony Joshua with a TKO.
You were there at ringside Madison Square Garden on June the first, which
was back last Thursday. We didn't acknowledge that that was four years ago,
that that upset happened. In speaking of the British and the British fight fans
a tune in and listen to us. One could argue that Anthony Joshua has
not been the same since that night in Madison Square Garden. Yes, he
beat Ruise in the rematch, but us got him twice. What an upset?
What an upset? And that was four years ago already. He just
took the words right out of my mouth about how Anthony Joshu has not been
the same since that night he's only had the fact that you agree with me
is a scary thing and it tells me. Also. The thing about Anthony
Joshua was since that fight, he hasn't been very active. I mean,
obviously part pandemic related like a lot of the fighters and around that period of
time. But even still, you know, since he had that loss,
he's only had uh, he's had many fights. He fought Kobrot, Poolev,
and amandatur I take it back again, five fights rematch Poulev two and
then and then three. He's three and two since the loss, so he's
really three and three in his last six with Jermaine Franklin, Poolev and the
rematch and then the losses to Ruiz and the two losses to Use. I
don't really hold the the the US losses too much against him, but you
know it's not like he looked fantastic against Franklin. And you know, again
he beat Poolev as he was opposed to. He didn't look great in that
fight, but he knocked him out, so good for him. And you
know, he had a great game plan for the Rui's rematch. But he
still hasn't really been the same since then. He hope he can somehow,
some way reclaim some past glory and at the very least Immanity doesn't that they
can finally make the fights out we still want to see with him involved in.
Which is a Tyson Fury fight or Deonte Wilder fight. Love it love
this show, Lots on this show, the recap of the Shields Win,
lots on Jervonte Davis and the jailhouse phone call to rail on the judge on
Instagram, what are we coming to in twenty twenty three? And the Hall
of Fame interview and the Hall of Fame interview with Brad Goodman. Great stuff.
Who's going into the Hall of Fame this week, Dan Rayfiel, have
a great week. We're looking forward to speaking of the UK. We're looking
forward to Josh Taylor coming state side as he's already here this week for the
fight with Tayafimo Lopez. You will be at that fight later this week.
That's part of the preview. Have a great week, my friend. Always
good to be with you on the Recap podcast. Coming off the weekend,
Dan sounds good, Thank you, t J. I'll talk to you.
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