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We've got a great guest today, Writer Lee. It's not hard to promote
writer. He sort of sells himself with all the groundbreaking investigative work he does
and his podcasting. He's one of my favorite guys to talk about and to
talk to. So, Writer Lee, welcome to the Hero Paranormal Podcast.
Thanks so much, try and appreciate you having me back on This is what
the third third time you've been on my show three times, I think,
and this is a third one on your So I appreciate you, my friend.
I'm looking forward to diving into some awesome topics with you. Yeah.
I think this is like, I think it's a trifecta. This is three.
I think that's great. I'm super excited and stoked about this one because
we're going to be going into the darker than dark projects, black projects.
Remote viewing all sorts of strange areas where you've been doing a ton of research
talking to the right people. Where should we kick it off at? Well,
Ryan, I think that, well, I guess we can go to
where this really started for me. And I started investigating into the MK Ultra
programs and the one hundred and forty ninety classified MK ULTRA projects, and I
was reading through all those and I'm discovering that there's four or five subprojects that
were were dedicated just to researching ESP, remote viewing and psychic abilities, right,
And am I digging deep into that? And then I'm also realizing that
almost all of these subprojects involve some kind of hallucinogenic substance mushrooms LSD, which
we know Sidney Gottlieb was ahead of all of these programs, and he had
a brother that was a plant biologist. And there's not any confirmation or any
facts surrounding if his brother actually created a lot of the medications that he would
experiment on subjects in the mp lentary programs or not. But I just thought
that that was an interesting little side note there, that he had a brother
that was a plant biologist and he's experimenting on all these different chemicals and stuff
in there. And also I found out that a lot of the medications that
people are on to day come directly out of the mk Ultra programs as well,
like antidepressants, antipsychotics, adderall riddling, you know. And then we
see this uptick in all these medications in like the early nineties, you know,
and then into the two thousands just starts hitting like really really hard.
Like you have a kid that you know, they take them to the doctor
and you can't set stuff. He's just being a kid, right, and
they'll put the child on adderall riddling, you know. So and those medications
came directly out of the mk Ultra programs. So it's like I'm putting all
these things together and I'm really trying to dig down deep into exactly what's going
on here. And then I start getting into the Stargate Project, which is
a DA Army intelligence ran program to study ESP study remote viewing, and they
had an official special Access program the Army started in seventy five, and then
DA started its Special Access program officially in seventy nine. And I thought this
was interesting because they were already doing this during the MK Ultra programs. And
then when Stanford Research Institute, they split from Stanford in nineteen seventy and then
they became known as the Stanford Research Institute International in nineteen seventy three, and
then they became funded by the CIA through directly through Sydney Gottlieb until seventy five,
and then the Air Force picked up the rest of the funding two SRI.
So all these three letter organizations had their hands in funding this kind of
research they were doing there, you know, the research on their own,
and then it was supposed to be given back to the CIA in ninety five
and the CIA just shut down the Stargate project. Now, the star Gate
project went by many different code names, as I'm sure that you're aware of
Ryan and went by Girl Flean, Sunstreak, A Sing. I can't remember
the other one. But there was many code names for the projects and they
were they did that all the time in the Cold War. I mean,
when you look at Pat Price's work, whenever he remote viewed that secret military
base in West Virginia, he was able to literally see inside of the base
and read all the paperwork that was within that base. And they also used
code words and code names for all of the projects that they were doing there
too, and it all revolved around billiards, you know, it would be
like, um, you know eight Ball project or you know, stuff like
that. So it's really interesting and it gets very very convoluted. And I
have all the Stargate declassified documents. I have all of the growth Flame declassified
documents in the mk all Trigge classified documents and just going through there. And
I brought a lot of these people on my show because this is another angle
of this too, right, is that the people in the secret Space Program,
Asset people and the super Soldiers, they all talk about the Stargate project
like it was an actual project to open up like a legitimate portal or like
a real stargate and you could go through the stargate and then you would,
you know, go to a different dimension or a different reality or another planet
and all of that, right, or go to an alternate reality or whatever
is going on there. And I was like, nah, I don't I
don't think that that's what's going on. And I knew that the DA had
a program it was called the Stargate Project. So I just reached out to
all of those people that were legitimately involved in the military operation to collect intelligence
information and intelligence day on foreign assessments. So so far, I've had Angela
Forge. She was my first guest that was officially a part of the Stargate
project. The next one was Limp Buchanan, then doctor David Moorehouse Dell Graft
and then most recently doctor Paul Smith. So I really did that to try
and debunk what a lot of what you could call lacadus in the community,
to let them realize that what they're talking about doesn't line up with reality.
And that's the reason that I brought all these people on my show and also
to you know, study and figure out what's really going on, because there's
there's a lot of things that just don't line up within the community that it
is not reality based. But one of them, well two of them is
for sure that's done because there's declassified documents on it is the MK Ultra programs
and the Stargate Project, and very verifiable. You can look either one of
those programs up and read through all those declassified documents. It's they are both
very real projects and very verifiable reality. So yeah, and I'm really glad
that you mentioned there is You're cutting in the chase with people like Angela Ford,
Lynn Buchanan, m Dale Morehouse, Paul Smith, because anymore it seems
like all you have to do is go to a UFO conference expo. And
I mean, remote viewing is kind of the new catchphrase. You know,
it's like, are you vegan? It's like everybody remote views And that's just
not exactly compatible with the realistic history and the controlled the CRV, the controlled
remote viewing techniques that were used by the military. So I think that's super
important that you know, the CIA wasn't funding all of these other more bohemian
style remote viewing angles that I mean, because it seems like, you know,
I have found it. I'm sure you've found that when you start talking
secret space program and remote viewing that it goes to really random, crazy places.
And speaking of that, what are your thoughts of the Mars jump room.
See this is where a lot of confusing things happen, right, And
see, we don't we tend to want to just look at the faerytale,
nonsensical, extra dimensional aspect of this whole thing, and people talking about things
that we have absolutely no idea about it, and that they are the only
ones to have that information, and they're the only ones that can disseminate that
information. But whenever you start bringing it down to earth and talking about real
programs that actually happen here, and you start looking at all of the psychological
manipulation and psychological experiments that these three letter organizations were doing, that the military
was doing, you start to understand that it's a very high possibility that a
lot of this phenomenon can be boiled down to a psychological experiment and that it's
actually happening in your head, it's not external to you. And Carl Young
actually talks about that too. He talks about the abduction phenomenon being something in
our psyche that we have yet to understand. And I personally believe that a
lot of these memories and a lot of these things that people recover later on
in their life was planted there on purpose, because we know that that's what
the MK ultra's role was to do. It was to be pattern your mind,
which is done through a myriad of ways. A lot of times torture.
Now people take torture as like you're being beaten or that you're being you
know, hurt in some kind of way, or that you're being tied up,
and like, it doesn't have to be that. It can be way
more subtle. It could be way way easier than that. You know.
They can have you put your hands on the wall for fifteen to sixteen hours
a day, you know, in like an l position with your hands on
the wall, and you're not able to move, you know. I mean
it's as simple as that. Just because you've been a deep pattern or you've
been through one of these actual MK Ultra programs, doesn't mean that it was
horrendous to you, Like physically, it's a psychological break. They want to
break your mind. They want to split your consciousness and in half basically,
and then create this other persona, this other compartmentalization of your brain, and
then feed that compartmentalization with your brain with false ideas, false beliefs, false
implanted memory. Now, I believe that the reason for that is to cover
up real operations, what we might actually be doing in space, the militarization
of space, what we might actually be doing with psychics and remote viewers in
these three letter organizations and top secret projects, you know, and the MK
Ultra stuff. You know. I had Kathy O'Brien on my show. I've
had her on twice now, and it really seems like Ryan, that they
were afraid of people rising up and going to Congress and going to government officials
and being like, this is what you did to me. You know,
you you created a person that you can one control. You know, when
you look at the MK ultra on the Monarch program, you see that it
was all Earth based stuff. They were being used for things that I can't
exactly say on here, but like at a white house kind of kinagone level
with trafficking and drug mule and a lot sometimes assassins, disinformation people, misinformation
people, you know, And I think that that is what they were trying
to cover up, and like I said, to cover up what they've been
doing in the space. So they just made a dramatic false and planted memories
to get people talking about something that cannot ever be proven in order to get
everyone believing in that, and then whenever they all believe in the fairytale nonsense
story Space Battle twenty and back advanced technology nonsense. The real thing can basically
be covered up on the planet, including MK ultra, including psychic spies,
including remote possibly remote assassins or remote control people, what what might be going
on with the militarization of space, what we actually have going on in space,
you know, people possibly humans on the Moon and possibly humans on Mars
as well, and that's something that they would really want to cover up.
So they created this whole narrative of secret space program assets and super soldier assets
saving the world from evil aliens and evil reptilions. Man, it is so
important. Is this is so huge, and you've like zoomed into a bunch
of the stuff that I think is the most important, which is you know,
yeah, if you have these crazy theories and conspiracies that go way beyond
the line of comprehension and all kinds of people backing it, you surely can
avoid more of the mundane accusations being made towards particular projects. And you know,
at the same time, we know that people like the CIA, the
government and such, they can't fight fair, and I understand it. You
know, my father in law was a Navy seal and he explained to me.
I remember once, I'm like, oh, I'm sure they like,
you know, trained you in karate or jiu jitsu or something, and he
was like, no, no, they they train you to fight dirty,
and you know, you are trained to basically win no matter what. And
our intelligence community is also trained along the same lines. So it only makes
sense that they would do this sort of stuff because it is, you know,
for the protection of civilians. And at the end of the day,
it's so you know, our water stays on, our heat stays on,
we keep paying taxes, YadA, YadA, YadA. And I think it's
super important that you mentioned how crazy with the SSP and a lot of this
other stuff, how willing people are to acknowledge and believe one hundred percent of
it no matter where it's coming from. And that's a big deal because there's
a lot of real stuff that you mentioned with monarch MK, Ultra Sydney,
Godly remote viewing, the use of hallucinogenics, and all of these army intelligence
programs, DA, SRI, I mean, all the three letter agencies doing
the real business behind closed doors. And you know, I remember this takes
me back. I remember when I went to my first SSEE meeting, which
is the Society for Scientific Exploration of which I'm a member, and I realized
quickly that this stuff is real. There are people doing this and there's people
like when I went to my first IRVA meeting, which is the International Remote
Viewers Association, I realized, you know, we're just talking over you know,
as people have these demonstrations and you know people, there are people that
remote view for a living. So these are very real. Obviously, these
are masters of their craft, not people that are you know, out back
just shooting the crap behind the bar saying oh yeah, I remote view on
the weekends. This is real stuff, and it is unfortunately very tainted because
of everybody accepting everything. And yeah, the secret space program thing that really
reminds me of someone I know, you know, and someone I respect very
much, which is Shane Bales. And I love what he mentioned that the
secret space is between your ears? Am I right exactly, That's exactly what
it is. And I my personal belief and there's no proof behind this.
This is just a theory and speculation, right, And I want to make
that very clear here. But I believe that the MK Ultra programs were doubling
as something else. There was another reason to do them. And what I've
realized is a lot of these psychics and remote viewers that automatically had the abilities
right they weren't trained to remote view, They didn't have a manual. There
wasn't a step by step process in order to be able to remote view.
Right. How they got their abilities was through a near death experience or an
out of body experience. Several people that I've talked to and that I know
that I've talked to personally, their abilities were unlocked through a near death experience
or an out of body experience. Now again I'm differentiating here between the people
that have been trained to do it. Now, you don't have to have
an out of body experience. You don't have to have a near death experience
with the create the ability to remote view. Right, That's not what I'm
saying. I'm seeing the people that very first started this remote viewing had near
death experiences. The psychics, the real legit psychics, the real leg remote
viewers again that wasn't trained, that just automatically had the abilities like Ego Swan
Right, he mentioned several times he was probably one of the best remote viewers
in the history of remote viewing. Right. He had a many out of
body experiences whenever he was a kid due to being bullied. He mentioned that
so many times. So, what were they doing in the mk Ultra programs,
and then what was the Monroe Institute also doing. Monroe Institute was trying
to induce a out of body experience, an astral experience, to get your
consciousness or your spirit or your soul or whatever you want to call it outside
of your body. And that is a process of you can also get that
kind of process through trauma to traumatize somebody to such a degree that their consciousness
can literally leave their body. And that's a lot of what they were doing
within the mk Ultra programs. They were traumatizing people. So I'm putting these
pieces together, I'm like, Okay, well, it's really interesting that they
were doing this this trauma based stuff in order to compartmentalize the brain and induce
this this other personality which they've been known for creating multiple personality disorder d ID
and all of these other mental health issues in these mental health problems through the
mk Ultra programs. So it's not out of the realm of possibility that this
was a dual use purpose that they were not only trying to create slaves,
trafficking slaves, assassins, disinformationalists, and whole list of other categories that could
be used for MK ultra, but they were also trying to create psychics.
And then that gets into my theory. After the CIA shut down the Stargate
project in ninety five saying that there wasn't any useful intelligence data ever collected out
of the program, which is a lie. They no Army intelligence or DA
would ever keep a program running for almost twenty years to say that they didn't
collect any valuable intelligence data. If they didn't get any good results within a
year, they would have just shut it down then, right, So my
personal thoughts are is that they created a different program, a much more nefarious
program, a much more invasive program. They found a different application for remote
viewing other than just psychic spies and spying on other countries, and sometimes I'm
within the United States, I think they switched this that evolved into remote control
and remote influence and sometimes even remote assassin program. And some people will disagree
with me on that because again there's no proof for that, right, it's
just my personal thoughts and my personal opinions at connecting all of these dots,
and but there is kind of proof for it. Whenever you you know,
look around at our reality, you know, people are behaving pretty pretty strangely
since uh, you know a lot of these I don't know what they call
them. I guess disasters at schools and at bars and stuff like that,
right, And I think that that is what the program of volve into.
It evolved into a remote influence or remote control. And there's actually a document
from ed May that I have that lays out the step by step process in
order to remote influence people. So it's a very real phenomenon. It is
possible. There's a document for it that tells you how to do it.
Now, some people might say, oh, well, it's not, as
you know, intrusive or whatever, but I'm like, hey, listen,
we influence ourselves every day, Ryan, you know, with our thoughts and
our ideas. And some people use affirmation. You know, they'll wake up
they'll say an affirmation, or they'll say an affirmation before they go to sleep
or whatever. That's you influencing yourself. So why would I not be able
to influence other people psychically? If I can influence myself, I would be
able to influence other people as well if I'm a powerful enough psychic, Right,
And I think that's exactly what this whole thing evolved into was a psychic
remote influence and a lot of times sometimes a remote assassin program. Now I
had the different idea and a different concept of what this was before, But
then whenever I started thinking about it more, because Len Buchanan talked about that,
he was approached by men in black. They asked him if he could
kill an individual with his mind, and he said he said that he wouldn't
do it. But I asked him in our interview together. I was like,
hey, like, is it possible to do? Though? Could you
have done it if you wanted to do it? And he said, yes,
yes I could have. And I was like, huh, well that
kind of seems like the lazy way to do it, right. You wouldn't
just want to psychically kill somebody outright, you know, you would want to
psychically influence or psychically control somebody else to kill the target for you. And
like, ohly shit, this is exactly what they've done and what they have
been doing. And again I think that that program evolved once more, and
then that program turned into a technology to where they don't have to use psychics
or remove viewers to be able to influence people anymore. They just have a
technology that they can foot on which just proof of this mus be two K
technology. There's a technology to be able to control your nervous system. You
know, there's patterns for all of this stuff, and there's evidence that that's
exactly what has happened, and they've completely taken the human element out of this.
They no longer use psychics or removiewers because they've developed it into a technology.
And that's exactly what Sane the Ruiner talks about too as well, that
they're trying to take our natural spiritual abilities and duplicate it and turn it into
some kind of technology to be able to use on the public. And then
that also gets into supplanting thoughts, ideas, memories, beliefs into your head
via technology. I decided to a Lena Freeland on my show that show will
be really soon, and she's written several books on this technology and how harmful
and dangerous it can be to the public. And she also talks about dual
use from military technology as well. They do. They don't do anything for
just one reason. It's a multilayered purpose. They have it for something that
they can use militarily, and then they also have it another use for it
that can be used on the public and you know, the general population.
So whenever you look at these mk Ultra programs and you realize that a lot
of these medications that people are on now came directly from the mk Ultra programs,
then you look at how they would psychically drive people in the m k
Autra programs that would take any looped audio message and play it over and over
and over again. Nobody knows what was on those looped audio messages, and
they've just transferred that type of loop audio message onto a TV screen in your
living room and in your bedroom and in your pocket. Right, so they
depattern you with a traumatic event, They drug you, which I looked up
statistics from twenty and fourteen to two thousand and sixteen, and almost half the
US population is on some sort of pharmaceutical medication. Sixty six percent of adults
in the United States are on a pharmaceutical medication. And then they psychically drive
you. They put that looped repeated message on your TV screen on your own
to program you to believe whatever they want you to believe, which is exactly
what they were doing in the early fifties with the mk Ultra programs. Now
it's just open air testing. They're just doing it to everyone collectively super dark.
And yeah, I mean I can get why they would want something where
they can just flip a switch more like a technology, although we already have
it within us as human beings. And you brought something up that kind of
ties into something you said earlier, which is much how the mk ultra splits
your consciousness and splits your mind in half. And I know this sounds strangely
similar to hemi sync technology, which comes from go figure, the Monroe Institute.
And for those that are unaware, Robert Monroe is an interesting at you
should definitely read his book Journeys out of the Body. He was a Virginia
businessman that started having experiences that we're quite literally out of his body into this
second what he called the second body. But yeah, this Monroe Institute,
Robert Monroe, and this technology of quite literally hemsinc Technology. What are your
thoughts of hem sink And you know the fact that it it seems like just
about everybody and anybody is using the Monroe app these days that is involved with
government intelligence. And that's something that you didn't hear from me. But I
mean, they have an app and I've talked to a lot of people in
intelligence and they're like, oh, yeah, we got it. We use
it all the time, and they are taking trips to the Monroe Institute and
getting trained in this, and it's sort of a tongue in cheek. Everybody's
doing it, nobody's talking about it. Sort of a thing in intelligence circles.
So they sound strangely similar to splitting your mind in half. Just it
is very similar. And Army Intelligence and the CIA were both investigating the Monroe
Institute as well as actually mentioned in the growth Leame documents, the declassified documents
how they paid Robert Monroe I think two hundred dollars to go in and study
to send Army Intelligence people to the Monroe Institute to study this auto body HEMI
sink technology the robber Monroe was working on. And there's declassified documents of the
report that Army Intelligence and the CIA both wrote a report on the Monroe Institute.
And I think the because some of the people that I've interviewed from the
Stargate project commented on that they did have access to the Monroe Institute's Hemisinc.
Tapes and they were able to use them, but it wasn't like a requirement.
So there's a really big connection between the Monroe Institute and Army Intelligence and
the CIA in all of these different projects, and I haven't quite connected the
dots yet on what that role is now. I do know that some people
have gotten confused by the Monroe Institute because they had a project it was called
the Gateway Project. Was the Monroe Institute's hemisink trying to induce an out of
body experience, and some people that were involved in the Gateway Project got confused
and thought that they were a part of a remote viewing DIA Army Intelligence.
Yeah, that's really muddied the waters between those two different programs. And it's
also important to make clear as well, is that the Monroe Institute wasn't into
remote viewing. That had nothing to do with remote viewing, but somehow they
are linked in there in some way. I'm gonna have to read through all
of those documents again and try and figure out what the linkage is there in
some kind of factual evidence, but it has muddied the waters between the Monroe
Institute's Gateway Project and then THEDIA, Army Intelligence Stargate project as well. Well.
The Monroe Instue is called the Gateway Experience, it's not the Gateway Project.
But I think the people have gotten those two things confused, so it's
important to make the distinction there that Monroe Institute was not studying remote viewing,
had really nothing to do with the IA and Army Intelligence Remote Viewing program or
ESP program psychic program, and that they were two separate things running kind of
simultaneously. Even though the CIA and Army Intelligence did write reports, there's to
classified reports on the Monroe Institute. I'm just going to have to do some
more study on that and try and figure out the real connections and why they
were so interested in the Monroe Institute inducing an out of body experience. But
my personal thoughts is that it is connected to remote viewing, and if they
can induce a out of body experience without having to use trauma, then they
can create psychics on their own. They can create psychic spies for intelligence data,
they can create psychic remote controllers, remote influencers. I think that without
any proof, I think that that's a solid connection, in a solid theory
that because a lot of people didn't survive those MK ultra programs and they're just
wasting assets, they're just wasting people. Cathie O'Brien said, even very few
actually made it out of the programs and got to be used in any kind
of operation. And then even the people that we're used in the operation,
we're normally killed by the age of thirty, right, So when you look
at it like that, you would think that they would try and figure out
a different way to create a site gig or a spy or a remote viewer
or somebody that has esp abilities other than trauma, because you're just wasting assets
that way, you're wasting good people, right, and their eyes, they're
wasting good people. Right. That's not my personal I don't think any of
that stuff should ever be done to any individual, right. But I think
if you look at it like that, that they're trying to inducing that out
of body experience. And if my theory is correct in that the outer body
experience or near death experience has something to do with these abilities, then they
would want to study that. They would want to get to the bottom of
that in order of instead of just traumatizing people to unlock the abilities or create
a impay ultra slave to do god knows what on the planet, they would
just do it HEMI syncly to give the consciousness out of the body. Sure,
it makes perfect sense. And you know, I really like that you
mentioned the scenario with Ingo Swan, whose story is every bit as intriguing as
Robert Monroe's, and how these near death out of body experiences are still,
you know, more or less a psychic break, albeit a naturally occurring one.
So obviously, when you're trying to recreate this in a lab, you
know, surroundings, things could get ugly really quick. And something I've heard
about that is interesting, and I don't know just how consequenceial consequential it is,
because we are seeing a lot of drastic actions by people who typically would
not be taking these drastic actions, and it appears as if some of their
ability to follow through with these objectives come from outside of themselves or you know,
quote unquote out of body. And I'm wondering how much of this is
that patterning that you're discussing, because it is all about getting something, much
like training an animal, getting something used to a pattern, you know,
kind of like Pavlov in his dogs, that Pavlovian theory where you want a
desired objective in the physical and if you just keep doing the same thing in
the background, you will get that. And I wanted to ask you if
you think if there's any cases in more modern times that you could point a
finger out and say, you know, I'm not sure, but this may
have been part of part of a government program. I really think that a
large majority of it is. I think that the contact experiences, the UFO
sightings, traumatic events that have happened in the past twenty years involving you know,
schools, um, great schools majority UM, and bars and superstores and
all that. You're just gonna have to put two and two together here.
Um, yeah, you know exactly what I'm talking about. Ye have all
been psychological operations, psychological experiments. And when it comes to the it's exactly
like what's happening now with the the balloon nonsense, right, and the media
jumping on the bandwagon of unidentified flying objects, right, They're like, oh,
there's so many, so many UFOs, we're getting invaded, there's so
many I don't identify things that's happening in the sky right now, And gets
why wouldn't they have mentioned this to ten to fifteen or even twenty years ago.
You know, it's an agenda, it's a it's an operation, right,
Why didn't they Why did it take since the roswell of inn of nineteen
forty seven all the way until twenty twenty for the government to admit that there
are real unidentified flying objects in the sky. They just want us to forget
about all of that other nonsense because they finally came out and admitted it.
And the only reason that they would do that is because it's a psychological operation.
Literally, that's that's the only reason that they would do it. If
it wasn't a psychological operation, they would have admitted it way sooner. Decades
ago they've been like, oh, yeah, I guess what, there are
unidentified flying objects or an unidentified aero phenomenon going on. But they've waited so
long, and that only concludes one scenario that it's a full fledged psychological operation.
And we know that the Air Force was also interested in MK Ultra stuff
apparently, which again there's no proof for this either, but apparently the Air
Force picked up the mk Ultra programs after the CIA took the fall for them,
and they just picked up right where the CIA left off. And they've
been running the operation since since the mid fifties, which makes a lot of
sense surrounding et contacts, surrounding UFOs. I mean, he's in charge of
the airspace, the Air Force, so it makes sense that if they were
running some kind of op, it would have to do with aliens and UFOs.
Now, I'm not saying that aliens don't exist, right, don't confuse
of audiences and confusing what I'm saying here. I'm not saying that they don't
exist and that people's contact experiences weren't real to them. But it is very
possible, Ryan, with the kind of technology that we have now, the
V two K technology, the manipulation of our nervous system, with the implantation
of thoughts, ideas, beliefs directly into our head. Distance does not matter.
They can do this to anyone anywhere on the planet. And it's just
interesting. After the CIA's MK Ultra programs went open air to everybody on the
planet, everyone started having these contact experiences and saying that they've been abducted by
aliens, that they've seen several UFOs in the sky. It's just I don't
know, maybe it's just a coincidence. Who knows, but I think that
it's it's very, very strange, and we've seen this uptick since the early
two thousands of contactees. The abduction phenomenon, which we know that the abductions
started with Betty and Barney Hill. Welts not started there, but that was
the most mainstream one that was ever reported in nineteen sixty one, you know,
and then it's just kind of snowballed from there. And again, nineteen
sixty one was after all of them came ultra programs. It was after World
War Two. I can't find any documentation describing any one being abducted by a
UFO. Now this is very specific here. I'm not talking about entity abduction
or fairy abduction or any of that stuff. I can't find one case.
And if someone has it, please send it to me or something, because
I'd be very interested to read about it. That before Betty and Barnie Hill
of nineteen sixty one, that they were abducted by a UFO and taken on
a ship and experimented on by aliens. Can't find it, no, not
that I'm aware of. Unless you know, it's super super rare and old,
and it does seem like these psychological operations kind of have a parapsychology twist
to them, and the consequences are crazy. I mean, and I'm probably
gonna get into a little bit of trouble, and I probably shouldn't even say
what I'm going to say mentioning in a comment, but you know, a
government remote viewing program that had a lot to do with the invasion of Iraq
and even the use of the Stargate program. I won't mention the viewer,
but you know him and I know him to view and jump into Saddam's head,
you know. And and then we have Saddam Hussein being taken out get
this by his own people. I mean, if that isn't proof of this,
I mean, most Iraqis love the guy. They had him on his
watching, they had they had pictures of him on their car, you know,
sent trees his picture on their watches. I mean, they hated his
son, but most loved Saddam. Nad pictures of him in their house.
But I was floored after the whole Iraqi situation that he was taken out by
his own people. And it just it perfectly seems explained by some of these
declassified CIA documents. Like you're discussing that are coming out where they have figured
this patterning and I wanted to read a cleally quick This is from the Monroe
Institute. Yeah. Magic and the amount of data that goes into this.
I don't think people understand how much they have studied this, so it sounds
crazy, but here it is magic, perfectly explained and declassified CIA document.
This technique involves the use of consciousness to achieve desire objectives in the physical,
emotional, or intellectual sphere. It involves concentration on the desired objective while in
focus twelfth state, extension of the individual's perception that the objective into the whole
expanded conciousness and its projection into the universe, with the intention that the desired
object is already a matter of established achievement which is destined to be realized within
the timeframe specified. This particular methodology is based on the belief that the thought
patterns generated by our consciousness in a state of expanded awareness create holograms which present
the situation we desire to spring about and in doing so, establish the basis
for actual realization of the goal. Once the thought generated hologram of the sought
after objective is established in the universe, it becomes an aspect of reality which
interacts with the universal hologram to bring about the desired objective, which might not
otherwise be possible under other circumstances or ever occur. In other words, the
technique of patterning recognizes the fact that, since consciousness is the source orst of
all reality, our thoughts have the power to influence the development of reality and
time space, and applies to us if those thoughts can be projected with adequate
intensity. However, the most complicated and more complicated the objective sought, and
the more radically it departs from our current reality, the more time the universal
hologram will need to reorient the reality sphere to accommodate our desires. Monroe Trainer's
caution against attempting to force the pace of this process because the individual could succeed
in dislocating his existing reality with drastic consequences. Wow, so you're right,
man. I think it's perfect that they have got this down to a science.
Wow. That is incredible. That is put into words that are easily
digestible. I'm kind of all over the place, but that is a perfect
explanation for everything. Is happening in our reality. Now. Imagine if they
can put that fake holographic experience that is designed for a specific group of people
into everyone's heads, right, and I think that's exactly what they've done.
Wholly crap, dude, you need to if you can send me that quote
where the document or whatever you man, I will. I've got it.
Yeah, dude it. I can't tell you where I got it, but
I got it. It's Please send that document to me because that explains everything
that I've been trying to say and explains it all. And a very neatly
put together paragraph or a couple of paragraphs that you just read. Incredible.
It's incredible. And you know, the part that really spooks me is that
it kind of says anything can be done if you have enough time allotted to
doing it. You just can't force it too quickly, too quickly, too
powerfully, or you will. Literally. It sounds like the individual whoever that
is, whether the remote viewer or the quote unquote magician from a parapsychological standpoint,
but whoever is doing the concentration towards the desired objective, you don't want
to push them too far because you could dislocate them from this reality. If
we they'll think that the holographic projection reality that they created in their head was
actually real. Yeah, it sounds like they would just, I don't know,
just completely dislocate from our existing reality. And that's I don't know if
that means they would go mad or if we would have something like Andela effect.
I really don't know what that means, but I think that the methodology
involved explains pretty well that it's pretty scary. Much like you said, just
about anything can be accomplished if they put their minds to it, no pund
intended. Wow, that's really incredible. Um, I'm glad that that exists
because it just just explained everything that I've been trying to say this entire time
during this interview, and what I've been trying to say for like a year
now. You know that we especially like an aggregorical reality. I've been trying
to explain it in a different way, but the same outcome, right,
And I think that's a really good way to explain it. Yeah, that
you put your thoughts, ideas, energies into and then it becomes real in
your reality, and the more people that believe in that thought idea that's created.
The more power, more power and more energy that's been accumulated into it
makes it more real in our reality because I think that we are that powerful,
but our consciousness is that powerful that it can literally create something that isn't
even real. Now. It can be real to us, right, but
a blanketed real reality for everyone. You know, it's like people looking for
like a singular truth, right, They're just they want to blanketed singular truth
out there. They just and if it doesn't align with their previously established beliefs,
then they throw it out the door. Right. Well, I mean
I have news for a lot of these people. There is no singular truth.
There is not one explanation for all of this phenomenon. It's multi layered.
There's different reasons for everything, and there's multiple reasons for everything. Things
just don't happen for one singular reason. It's a multi layered many branches to
the tree, and there's branches on those branches, and there's branches on those
branches, right, And digging down deep and bringing this whole thing down the
earth and realizing that a lot of this stuff is due to our own psyche
and what we are creating in our reality, and that's been the biggest perpetuator
of the alien and ety phenomenon. Right, That's why it's a spiritual experience.
That's why it's a consciousness experience. It's like a holographic projection. And
that's also why no one has ever met a physical extraterrestrial that you can literally
reach out and touch, that's physical as me and you Ryan, that's sitting
in your room, that you can reach out and shake hands with, that's
not in a astral form, that's not in a dream state, that you're
not experienced under experiencing under some kind of hallucinogenic drug or some other form of
drug. You know. That is the reason, because it's when it's within
us. It's happening within us, is happening within our head, within our
psyche. That's why they're not physical, because they can't be physical because they
are a part of us, and it's a sort of fabric of our psyche.
Or it's exactly what you just read in that document from the Monroe Institute,
and it's a holographic projection. And when you take that holographic projection as
something real, then you've you've just you're just basically creating stuff and putting it
out there. And that's why no one has any physical evidence. That's why
no one has any physical evidence of abductions. That's why people have never met
a physical et because they're not physical. They're within you. They are you,
and they are a part of inner space, not outer space. So
we've been programmed to think of space as just being outer space. Right.
None of the NASA doesn't say outer space anymore, none of these people ever,
none of the three letter organizations, they Air Force or any of that
ever say outer space anymore. They just say space. And we've been so
programmed into thinking that when we hear the word space that they're automatically referring to
outer space. When you look up the definition of what space is, space
can be anything. Space could be extra room in your house. Space can
be the ocean. Space could be in your head, inner space, you
know. So that is what I believe a lot of this phenomenon. And
you know, I'm not trying to downplay, you know, people's abduction experiences
or their contact experiences or anything like that. If they think that they experienced
that, that's fine, you know, And the real people that have experienced
that don't care what you say. They don't care. You can call them
liars, you can call it. You just tell them that their experiences are
made up, that it's all in their head, and that they have no
evidence, no proof, and they don't care. Now, the ones that
do care are the ones that have something to hide, right, and don't
want to necessarily admit that it could be happening in their head and and not
be real. It could be a fabrication, that it can be a holographic
projection, and that it is actually coming from you. And then you get
into the whole. Can we even travel in space too? Right? I
don't think that a human body is man to be in space for long periods
of time, Like you need a certain procedure, let's say, to as
a human being to even go to Bali. You have to have a medical
procedure to go to Bali, not surrounding twenty twenty or any They've been doing
that forever. Yeah, because things are different there. It's a different kind
of atmosphere, it's a different kind of yeah, not gravity. But I
can't think of the word that I'm trying to say. But taking that into
consideration, what would you need to go live on a different planet. I
don't think that we could withstand because we're born on Earth. Our body is
aligned with Earth's atmosphere, Earth's gravity. I don't think that we would be
able to walk around on any other planet as we do here and survive.
And I don't think that anybody else coming from another planet could walk around here
and survive. I think it's impossible. And I think that that's the whole
augmentation side of this that they want to get humanity into, you know,
this cybernetic brain implant, you know, this kind of AI driven reality,
making us more machine and more cyborg than human. It's so that we could
possibly exist in space, and that we could possibly exist on other planets and
colonize other plants, because you know, and there's a lot of proof of
this. Rudolsteiner talks about talks about it too, that humans aren't meant to
be. They can't exist in space as we are, like you know,
natural biological humans. Now, it's impossible. So you will need some kind
of augmentation, some kind of enhancement, if you wanted to live in space
or live on a different planet. And I think that that is kind of
their plant. I mean, we we've seen that from Elon Musklan Musk wants
to Colonias Mars, and he also wants to put a brain and plant in
you. You know, so something something's lined up there. So I don't
know. I don't think that, just like we can't go out in the
space, just like we can't walk around on other planets as the biological human
that we are because we're actually from Earth. We're from Earth's atmosphere, Earth
gravity, all the things that are happening in the skies around us. I
don't think that other species could come to the planet as an organic being either
and live. It's man, I'm with you about going to other planets the
human body, I'm with you. It does not seem feasible. Let alone
the fact that we are to believe, I'm not a scientist, that astronauts
ride on a rocket or spacecraft going faster than a bullet. You know the
fact that the things in the Earth's orbit around two hundred and fifty miles above
Earth are moving up to seventeen thousand, five hundred miles per hour according to
NASA, which is about ten times faster than a speeding bullet. And we
know what a bullet does to a human body, so it can only make
sense that moving that fast would have some repercussion and less. Like you said,
we are in some simplified mode, were made more plastic in some way,
we can be more compatible with those speeds on some level. I just
don't know what the reality of them. We know that astronauts go through a
lot. I just don't know exactly what. And I think that, yeah,
this transhumanist agenda, maybe there's something to all this. I'm not sure.
Yeah. Also, being in a rocket and being going faster than a
speeding bullet through space, a little pebble would completely destroy your entire craft.
You know you're going that fast you hit a little bit, I mean,
shoot, driving on a motorcycle down the highway and a bug hits your face
and you don't have protective you're that shit stings brou nah, you know.
So imagine traveling fast as a bullet through space in a little space rock or
a little debris. Hitch your rocket. It's done for right. That's why
I don't I don't think that we can travel in space with standard rocketry.
I think it's impossible. Yeah, I don't think we can really get outside
of the Earth's atmosphere in a standard rocket. For one, rockets are nine
fuel and Werner ron Braun stated that it would take a rocket the size of
the Empire State Building to be able to get to the Moon. And it's
not because we needed that size of a rocket to get there. It's because
we needed that amount of gas to get there. Because a standard rocket,
it's payload has to the ninety percent gas and that leaves very little room for
crew and things that you actually need to survive the trip. So, if
anything, I believe that we have developed highly advanced technology. I mean we
have proof of this the SNAr Aero Club in the mid eighteen hundreds creating anti
gravity craft in northern California, Peter Menace and Charles Delshaw, and you can
look that up there schematics, there's drawings of the craft they were creating.
Walter Bossley has written several books on this. Then you fast forward a little
bit to World War Two. The Germans were also working on something very similar
with the Bell technology, and I believe that the Bell technology was the engine
of the craft, right, and they just strapped on the engine onto a
some kind of a saucer shaped craft in order for it to lift up off
of the ground. But they were using a red spinning mercury and the Scenori
Aero Club was using a green spinning mercury fuel additive to lift to be able
to lift the craft up off of the ground. And then we have all
the German aerospace texts and scientists and all of them coming to the United States
through Project Paper Club. Then we have the Roswell event of nineteen forty seven,
two years after the war. We have an admirable bird going to Antarctica
in nineteen forty six. It ended in nineteen forty seven, a very very
short trip. Now the story is there, I'm not too sure, but
he did up in Chile and gave a statement there that some at some point
we're going to have to fight technology that can go from poll to poll in
a matter of minutes. It's not the direct quote, that's just me paraphrasing.
Then nineteen sixty two, we have the Washington flap event. In nineteen
fifty two, sorry, nineteen fifty two is the Washington flap event, which
is the UFOs that were spotted over the White House. Let me have the
Textburg event. Of well, we have the first abduction before that, which
was nineteen sixty one with Buddy and Barney Hill, that we have the Caxtburg
event in nineteen sixty five, let me go to the Moon in nineteen sixty
nine. So whatever, you look at all these events and the sequence that
it happens, and you realize that the military cias through other organizations are doing
mk ultra programs, are doing psychological operations. They have this technology team they've
been working on in since the eighteen hundreds, which the Scenario Club was funded
by Prussia, which Prussia then became Germany. And so you have all these
connections here and evidence that it's our technology that we've developed and that we've created,
and the reverse engineering aspect of all this stuff has been put into the
consciousness of people, you know, crashed alien craft, alien technology retrieval and
all that, and then we've like reverse engineered in and it's all from aliens
that's been put out there, in my personal opinion, to cover up the
fact that it's us and that we've created it and that we've had the technology
for a really long time. I mean, James Forrestall wanted to release this
technology, and he was really good friends with JFK. JFK was kind of
like his protege. And there is documentation that JFK and James Forrestall both went
to Germany after World War Two and their speculation that they looked at the anti
gravity craft that the Germans were working on. When they came back to the
United States, JFK ran first Senate, James Forrestall became the very first Secretary
of Defense and that is where m J twelve when m J twelve was born,
fascinating man and James Forstall wanted to release the technology. He wanted to
be a public thing, right He's like, why why are we holding on
this? Why are we making this so secretive? And there was someone or
something that wanted to do this black budget style, you know, keep it
all under wraps, not let it get out to the public. And they
made Forrestall out to be a crazy whackado and they locked him up but as
the hospital and naval hospital and apparently no proof they killed him. They pushed
him out of the think a succeed story window or whatever, want to really
high up window, and they said that it was suiciding that he killed himself,
and I think that JFK was trying to do this more openly and not
so secretive, right, And because if JFK was the first person in sixty
one, I believe he made a statement to Congress that we should be we
should focus our efforts to getting to the moon by the end of the decade,
and then again in sixty two at Rice Stadium. It might not be
sure on those dates, but it's around that area. He made that statement
at Rice stadiument that to the public that we should, you know, focus
our efforts sticking into the moon by the end of the decade. And I
personally believe that that was JFK's push to let them reveal the technology that we
had, and he was trying to do it out in the open because he's
seen what happened to his friend and his buddy James Forrestall. He was making
a big push to reveal the technology internally and they killed him again speculation,
don't know for sure if they killed him or not, but he ended up
dying, right, put it that way. And then so JFK went back
and he was like, huh, how can I do this and not get
killed? Right? And he was like, well, I'll just do it
out in the open. I'll just try and force their hand to reveal the
technology early, because I believe he knew that we couldn't get to the Moon
in standard rocketry, so he was like, Okay, well, let me
try and push this out early. We'll make a statement to say, oh,
we should focus our office to getting to the Moon by the end of
the decade, and that will force them to reveal this anti gravity craft in
the real way that we might possibly get to the Moon. But they ended
up killing him anyway, right, And that's not the only reason for the
assassination, right, It's there's many, many more, And so I don't
want people to think or believe that that it was the only reason that he
was killed or assassinated, because it's not. It's just one of the many
possibilities that he could have been taken out there. So I think that's well,
that's what was going on. And we know that the Apollo missions were
actually designed to set up military bases on other planets in our solar systems,
on other moons. It wasn't just meant to go to the Moon. It
was meant to go to Mars and all these other places to set up,
you know, basically the militarization of space. And that was a statement that
was kind of you know out there in the early sixties, whenever we decided
that we were going to try and make it to the moon. But then
they just brushed it under the rug. They're like, on, on,
I forget that. We didn't say that, we didn't make any of those
statements. And then it just went black, and it just went super dark.
And there's another thing here that's proof of militarization of space, which is
Operation looking Glass. Are you familiar with Operations looking Glass? Amazing? Yeah,
but let's tell our listeners about it really quick. So Operation looking Glass
is it's not a technology to see into the future or into the past.
It's an actual Air Force command post in space with the ability to launch nukes
from Earth in the event that a ground based communications center is rendered unusable or
destroy it. Right. So, in the Secret Space Program people and the
SSP people, the super soldiers have taken that concept, that looking Glass concept
up and turned it into something that it's not. It's another cover up.
They don't want you to know that they have already militarized space and that Space
Force was just a rebranding of a previously existing program that we had been up
there since nineteen sixty two whenever or nineteen sixty one when Operation looking Glass became
an actual program. Which is another interesting thing is that the Air Force was
running NASA's test flights in nineteen sixty one, the Gemini program, and there's
another one I can't think of off the top of my head, but they're
running two different NASA test flights. The Air Force was it wasn't NASA that
was actually running them, and they never got outside of the upper atmosphere of
the planet. And I think because that is the signal that gave JFK because
they never broke out of a prow atmosphere of the planet, because I don't
believe that they can with standard rockets. And JFK was like, Okay,
this is my this is my queue right here to try and get them to
force their hand to reveal anti gravity craft and what we've been working on since
the late forties. Man, it's so amazing, and you know, I
know we're going over here a bit, but I need to say that you
are super impressing me with all your research into all this and I think it's
super important at this time, given all of the UAP, the SATE,
allon the satellite, Chinese balloon, the stuff being shot down out of the
sky by our military fighter pilots, and the fact that Werner von Braun,
if I'm not mistaken, on his deathbed, purportedly or allegedly, said that
there would be a attempt to psychologically operate a false alien invasion. And what
are your thoughts on that. I think it's a bunch of nonsense to me,
personally, I don't think there will ever get a any kind of alien
invasion, false or not, because what would be the reason to do that.
There's zero reason in my book for them to even attempt a false flag
alien invision, or if it's a real alien invasion, why would real aliens
come here and invade? It makes absolutely no sense. If it's about control,
it still doesn't make any sense, right, because they've proven over and
over and over again that they can control the public, the population, and
control the world without aliens. They've proved that several times. Twenty is a
really great example. Yeah, they've proven that they can shut down the economy,
they can shut down the world at one foul swoop just like that without
aliens. They they've proven that they can psychologically manipulate people, that they can
um put something on the TV that isn't necessarily true and get people to believe
in it without aliens. So I really would like to talk to somebody about
this that believes in them, the alien threat narrative and the false flag alien
invasion or even a real alien invasion, because again, if it's a real
alien vision, then what would be the point of that as well? Right,
it doesn't seem like we're really we're not doing anything wrong, And I
don't believe I think that this reality is just set up the way that it
is, because that's the way that it is. You know, like if
they're coming to save us, like what are they really coming to save us
from? Right, then it doesn't make any sense. The reality is that
we're just here to experience this reality. You know, Yes, is their
corruption, Well, there's going to be corruption, there's going to be all
these different secrets in and the government being like that because of the duality that
we have here on this planning that's always going to exist. You can't rid
this reality of polarity and duality. If you do, then we no longer
exist as this physical being. We would be someplace else. And that's what
why I think that we're so special here, Ryan, and people really just
need to dive head first into this reality and quit thinking that it's shitty or
that it's stupid, and that they hate it. They shouldn't hate it.
They should love it and embrace it and realize that it's just a part of
the process of being here. Some people have really shitty circumstances, and I
recognize that, and I have empathy for them. But unfortunately that's the kind
of hand that some people were dealt, you know, And it's really no
one's fault, but but our own fault. We've let it get to this
point. If we hate it so much, we should have done something about
it fifty years ago or twenty three years ago, you know, we should
we should have seen this coming, you know, we should have stood up
and done something about it. Then now we're just letting it ride out,
and we're just going along with every agenda and every thought and idea that's given
to us. You know, it really seems like they're trying to extinguish critical
thought and common sense from the consciousness of everybody on the planet all at the
same time. And again that's done through trauma, drugging, psychological manipulation,
harmful frequencies, the TV, the screen that's in your pocket. And I
just don't think that they need a false flag alien invasion. They don't need
a real alien invasion to accomplish their goals. They can do it without all
that, and honestly, the probably be way easier to do, you know.
And I want someone to come up with a good explanation of the reason
why they would do it, because logically speaking, critical thinking speaking, common
sense speaking, they don't need it. And based off that, I don't
think that they'll do it. We are pretty easy to control. That it's
fair enough, I think. I think your explanation is one percent on target.
I think earlier you mentioning the fact that a lot of this stuff is
being used much like an aggre is beyond super impressive. And we wonder why
many of the top one percent elites and government rulers are rumored to believe in
ancient mystery religions and practice rituals that in effect backup to the theory of Agrigor's
But you know, it does seem like they believe in natural law and that
these sorceress elites and their secret societies and world power brokers who kind of plot
the different moves that are made upon us know something we don't know. And
I agree with you, man, I'm glad there's people like you out there
that are kind of seeing through all this and you tantalize me endlessly. Man
with Charles Delsha, Walter Bosley and that red spinning mercury, that's something I
need to look more into. That sounds super cool. As we wrap up,
let's tell listeners where they can keep up with all things writerly and raised
by giants. Yes, sir, thanks so much for having me on.
Ryan, I really appreciate you a very fascinating conversation. But before I do
that, you ever mentioning to me the other day that you've been investigating into
a little bit of the societies and stuff. Can you give people a little
idea of what you've been looking into recently. Yeah, it's been really crazy
and very strange. My alma mater of the University of Utah is well for
I'll just cut to the chase has an order of three two two, The
skull and bones there it is one that started in nineteen ten, nineteen o
nine, depending on who you talk to and what the history books say,
but a very secretive second branch or order of three to two two skull and
bones. And obviously everybody knows or of many people know in our in our
realm that that is originally from Yale University. So I've been looking into that,
and yeah, just kind of looking at, you know, some of
the interesting stuff taking place possibly in the shadows and what you know, how
they members of many of these groups don't coincidentally arrive where they tend to arrive
in life. They are sort of placed there. Yeah, it's really fascinating.
I want to have to do some more research into it, into the
White Brotherhood in the Dark Brotherhood, because I think like this has been a
battle between a lot of different secret societies on what direction to push humanity toward.
You know, like I think it boils down to like a do we
give them the knowledge or we don't give them the knowledge? Right? Do
we give everybody on the planet all the secrets and ideas and beliefs that we
have, what would they be able to handle it? Or do we don't?
And do we keep it all for ourselves. And I think there's been
some people, like I was explaining with James Forrestall in regards to the technology.
He wanted to release the technology, but everyone was against him, right,
And I think that there's been a few people throught throughout our history that
have wanted to really knowledge just been a part of some of these secret societies
and the White Brotherhood and those kinds of groups that's wanted to release the knowledge
and let it be public information, but they've been stopped somewhere along the way.
But yeah, I think that's a very interesting. Definitely keep keep diving
into that. It's pretty epic. Yeah, you start looking down and it's
it's it's an interesting rabbit hole. Man. Yes, Ryan, thanks so
much for having me on. I appreciate you. People can find me on
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at Raised by Giants eight. Thanks so much, brother, appreciate your time
here this evening. Thank you man writer Lee bringing the heat and telling us
how it is. Definitely go over and check out writer Lee at Raised by
Giants. Support him on the new TikTok and yeah it's it's something you should
check out. He's always bringing impressive, tantalizing information to the forefront. Much
respect for that, and I always appreciate talking to him and having him on.
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Blast off in my time machine through feeling like you need blast office, last
office, last off, Off Off, blast off. If you guys are
still listening in. I want to apologize for the audio on this particular episode.
We had a variety of technical difficulties which were impossible to explain. Took
me over six hours to figure it out. It was literally as if somebody
came in and muted from time to time one or both of us. It
took tons of work from an audio perspective to even get it in a mode
that was utterly listenable at any length, and it was. It was a
nightmare, volumes up and down, mutings. And I don't know if it
was necessarily just the revelations that writer Lee brought to the table, or if
there was something more. It was very strange, very odd, never happened
before to that extent, But I want to apologize for the audio. At
least we got the message across, hopefully in some bearable form of listening.
And until next time, take care,