1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:01:45,359 I don't see. The logos is the icon of Father, and man is 2 00:01:45,400 --> 00:05:03,639 the icon of God. We are the image of Godha dire Wave three Yes 3 00:04:05,159 --> 00:06:04,720 s s s ship dire Wave three. The arts reflects the soul, the 4 00:06:04,800 --> 00:06:14,240 spirit of the architecture reflects the soul the spirit because therefore you can see the 5 00:06:14,240 --> 00:06:19,680 degeneracy. You can see the degradation and the loss of aesthetics, the loss 6 00:06:19,680 --> 00:06:26,920 of the idea of there being harmony, order, symmetry in esthetics. It's 7 00:06:27,000 --> 00:07:26,639 connected with the loss of a coherent and philosophy. Is this this this this 8 00:07:27,759 --> 00:08:58,080 this this this this this this this this, this is a this dire Wave 9 00:08:58,320 --> 00:09:18,799 three. Yeah, there we have then, yeah, there we have the 10 00:09:22,320 --> 00:09:48,879 Yeah then we have then yeah, there we have there we have there we 11 00:09:48,960 --> 00:11:05,519 have there we have now then don't have to see? Now how can there 12 00:11:05,559 --> 00:11:52,799 a narrow there? Now? There have now now count now show there have 13 00:11:58,159 --> 00:15:39,159 the narrow there narrow there there there there dire Wave three from from f dire 14 00:15:39,240 --> 00:15:45,240 wave. Science comes out of medieval universities. This may have been totally lost 15 00:15:45,279 --> 00:15:48,759 on modern people, but no, actually, modern science comes out of universities. 16 00:15:48,879 --> 00:15:54,360 Guess where universities come from? Byzantium, What is the theology of Byzantem 17 00:15:54,639 --> 00:15:58,639 orthodoxy, the longest running empire, the most successful economic empire in the history 18 00:15:58,639 --> 00:16:07,120 of the world. All right, welcome, you're here. We've made it. 19 00:16:08,360 --> 00:16:12,720 I'm not in jail. I'm not having lost all my belongings due to 20 00:16:14,120 --> 00:16:22,200 all the lawsuits. Oh man, we're here. We're having fun, and 21 00:16:22,480 --> 00:16:26,240 we're going to do a stream that we haven't totally done. I mean, 22 00:16:26,279 --> 00:16:30,240 we've kind of hinted at this stream quite a bit the last year, and 23 00:16:30,960 --> 00:16:33,840 now I think it's just obviously the time to do it. And twenty twenty 24 00:16:33,879 --> 00:16:41,000 two is gonna be lit. It's gonna be lit with different foci. But 25 00:16:41,279 --> 00:16:45,240 I can tell you that two of the foci for twenty twenty are going to 26 00:16:45,320 --> 00:16:52,720 be Rome, Catholicism and Calvinism. As you know, we didn't do a 27 00:16:53,120 --> 00:16:57,639 whole lot of Calvinism in the last year. We did a couple of streams 28 00:16:57,679 --> 00:17:03,879 with David Patrick carry where we got into overall, you know, two hour, 29 00:17:03,960 --> 00:17:07,279 three hour critiques of Calvinism, and that worked out good. They bore 30 00:17:07,319 --> 00:17:12,559 a lot of fruit. Ten twenty thousand people across various platforms saw those, 31 00:17:14,640 --> 00:17:17,720 not counting the audios, and then you know, we had a lot of 32 00:17:17,799 --> 00:17:21,480 Calvinists reach out, a lot of I have a former Calvinist buddy who wrote 33 00:17:21,480 --> 00:17:29,440 a book about the orthodoxy of predestination. So you know, we've seen a 34 00:17:29,480 --> 00:17:33,240 lot of fruit in the last year especially, and as the audience grows. 35 00:17:33,319 --> 00:17:37,480 That's why we're seeing the effect that we are seeing. So ultimately, yes, 36 00:17:37,599 --> 00:17:41,799 that's up to divine providence. But as Paul says, we are co 37 00:17:41,039 --> 00:17:45,720 laborers and he will brag. Paul says, I will brag about you my 38 00:17:45,920 --> 00:17:51,440 labor in Christ, that is the people that he helped to convert. So 39 00:17:52,200 --> 00:17:57,599 thankfully we've seen so far at least thousands of converts, even though William A. 40 00:17:57,960 --> 00:18:02,640 Alberg says that's completely made up. There are no converts, it's all 41 00:18:02,759 --> 00:18:06,359 a fraud, it's all a scam. Even though I said, you could 42 00:18:06,759 --> 00:18:11,880 like within a minute clicking to Discord and get a survey of I don't know, 43 00:18:11,960 --> 00:18:18,440 eight thousand almost people in there, most of whom are either inquirers or 44 00:18:18,480 --> 00:18:22,759 people who are catechumens or are now converted. And so you know, we 45 00:18:22,839 --> 00:18:26,720 had seen that tremendous growth in the last two and a half almost three years 46 00:18:26,720 --> 00:18:30,599 of Discord, which again was all kind of not expected, and that's not 47 00:18:30,720 --> 00:18:34,799 even counting you know, the other outlets that we have, so really thankful 48 00:18:34,839 --> 00:18:40,720 for that. We've got so many awesome educated people in the discord, and 49 00:18:40,839 --> 00:18:47,240 we've got you know, really solid clergy apologists in there, people with degrees. 50 00:18:47,440 --> 00:18:52,839 We're not talking about a reason in Theology fan group that's full of jokes 51 00:18:52,880 --> 00:18:57,880 about semen. We're talking about people who actually talk about the issues and the 52 00:18:57,960 --> 00:19:02,960 theology. Now, as everybody I'm sure I has seen, there was a 53 00:19:03,000 --> 00:19:04,480 lot of drama this week. This is not going to be a drama stream. 54 00:19:04,799 --> 00:19:07,960 Those guys kind of rely on that stuff every now and then. We 55 00:19:08,079 --> 00:19:14,000 do make it a point to reply to drama when it is necessary, and 56 00:19:14,160 --> 00:19:17,960 everybody who's followed this channel out of you know, in total, I had 57 00:19:18,000 --> 00:19:21,200 to remove some older videos and move them over to rock Fan because they were 58 00:19:21,279 --> 00:19:25,400 just too edgy for the soft softness over on this side of the internet. 59 00:19:26,039 --> 00:19:29,440 But all that old content is still available over at my rock Fan, and 60 00:19:29,599 --> 00:19:33,920 there's a unique material that's uploaded over at rockfin so you can go over there 61 00:19:33,960 --> 00:19:36,400 to see all that kind of stuff. Somebody was asking about that a minute 62 00:19:36,400 --> 00:19:41,480 ago. But some stuff, you know, you just it's not fitting to 63 00:19:41,599 --> 00:19:45,880 discuss over here. By the way, I don't even host Lord Voldemort's Fourth 64 00:19:45,920 --> 00:19:48,559 Hour. All Brooks says, that's made up. That's all made up. 65 00:19:48,960 --> 00:19:52,920 I guess I photos, they're all phishing pages, like I photoshopped all the 66 00:19:53,039 --> 00:19:56,279 video. It's all deep fake, right, So it's not actually me, 67 00:19:56,880 --> 00:20:03,680 it's my face over Lord Jones's face. That's apparently what the Roman Catholics think 68 00:20:03,720 --> 00:20:06,759 that. I'm not joking, that's what he said. It's all made up. 69 00:20:07,759 --> 00:20:11,359 Even that is made up, so that I think that this is actually 70 00:20:11,880 --> 00:20:19,279 signifying kind of a new phase, like their their system, their channels are 71 00:20:19,359 --> 00:20:32,119 unraveling, and to rely on just ludicrous claims like that and the replies from 72 00:20:33,720 --> 00:20:37,400 you know who. I mean, it's just I think it's kind of almost 73 00:20:37,440 --> 00:20:41,720 we're at the verge of victory here in terms of like they're almost done right. 74 00:20:41,759 --> 00:20:44,400 I mean, it's like meltdown level. I mean, if dude is 75 00:20:44,480 --> 00:20:49,400 like claiming that he's getting death T H R E A T S. And 76 00:20:49,480 --> 00:20:57,799 if he claims that he's going to sue me for deformation when like he apparently 77 00:20:57,880 --> 00:21:03,880 he's never actually talked to lawyer about this, because like what you can't sue 78 00:21:03,960 --> 00:21:07,839 somebody for them believing that you use sock puppets. I mean, this is 79 00:21:07,880 --> 00:21:12,279 just crazy, right has he is he gonna It's like a boomer approaching like 80 00:21:12,519 --> 00:21:15,599 I'm going to sue the Twitter for them main posts on Twitter? Right, 81 00:21:17,799 --> 00:21:23,279 I'm going to contact the Google and have my content removed to It doesn't work 82 00:21:23,400 --> 00:21:27,160 like that, dude. It's like boomers not understanding the Internet. Welcome by 83 00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:33,359 the way to being a public figure. By the way, you goober, 84 00:21:33,759 --> 00:21:36,440 you can't if you're a public figure. You know how hard it is to 85 00:21:37,000 --> 00:21:41,880 prove defamation. Yeah, see, And I know this because I've had multiple 86 00:21:41,920 --> 00:21:47,359 harassers in the past that I've talked to multiple various lawyers about. So I've 87 00:21:47,400 --> 00:21:52,759 already heard all about this multiple times for many years. So you can't really 88 00:21:55,039 --> 00:21:59,519 prove any of those things, and hardly any lawyer will take those kinds of 89 00:21:59,599 --> 00:22:03,960 cases. But I think everybody who is at least reasonably saying realizes that a 90 00:22:04,039 --> 00:22:08,319 lot of this meltdown is because of the inability to deal with the issues. 91 00:22:10,119 --> 00:22:15,759 So you know, we saw last year Loten implying that UBI was a ped 92 00:22:15,960 --> 00:22:19,000 o, no evidence at all, But of course he does the very things 93 00:22:19,039 --> 00:22:23,400 that he says everybody else is doing. And he's done this for two or 94 00:22:23,400 --> 00:22:29,599 three years now. I showed where he was trying to get father Deacon defrocked 95 00:22:29,640 --> 00:22:33,039 by emailing the diocese over somebody making a joke about him. So this is 96 00:22:33,119 --> 00:22:37,920 like a super thin skinned dude, and anybody that thin skin is not going 97 00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:40,960 to make it as a public figure because it doesn't matter what your positions are, 98 00:22:41,359 --> 00:22:45,920 it doesn't matter how cool you appear or try to be. You're going 99 00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:51,759 to have people who are going to obsess over you and try to come at 100 00:22:51,799 --> 00:22:53,240 you. And you have to just be able to deal with this stuff. 101 00:22:53,599 --> 00:22:57,599 But some people just they have meltdows. They can't deal with they can't deal 102 00:22:57,680 --> 00:23:03,119 with criticism, They can't deal with people who make fun of them, even 103 00:23:03,200 --> 00:23:07,799 right, they'll say that jokes are slander. Now, that's just satire, 104 00:23:07,799 --> 00:23:10,640 that's a humor. Man. You got to get used to being made fun 105 00:23:10,680 --> 00:23:15,440 of. I'm sorry that you're that much of a beta that you feel like 106 00:23:15,480 --> 00:23:18,759 you have to try to take people to court for making fun of you. 107 00:23:18,839 --> 00:23:22,720 I mean, that's just pitiful, right. So you know, reason in 108 00:23:22,799 --> 00:23:26,599 theology is that that's the model that they chose. Right after what after they 109 00:23:26,839 --> 00:23:33,039 refuse to debate UBI. After UBI basically destroyed a borrow in multiple videos, 110 00:23:33,839 --> 00:23:40,000 it really just fell apart and turned into a drama stream. Not every stream, 111 00:23:40,079 --> 00:23:44,599 but a stream relying upon let me feed off of anybody with a larger 112 00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:48,759 audience is what it turned into. And he gets what forty to fifty live 113 00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:52,759 years now when two three years ago he would get what three four hundred. 114 00:23:53,960 --> 00:23:57,160 So yeah, I mean, that's just what happens when you don't rely on 115 00:23:59,079 --> 00:24:03,880 the logic, the argumentation, objective facts. You're just repeating quote minds. 116 00:24:03,920 --> 00:24:08,359 You're just repeating old hash rehashed material that UBI already dealt with, like both 117 00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:14,799 Trent and Reason that theologies replies, a lot of that was already dealt with 118 00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:18,000 in ubi's replies, And it's like, so obviously they didn't watch any of 119 00:24:18,079 --> 00:24:23,079 that, right, And so I think what happens is that these audience they 120 00:24:23,160 --> 00:24:27,160 just rely on if I can make Jay look bad, if I can make 121 00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:33,160 the Orthobros look bad, right, that's what he's going to fall back on. 122 00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:37,039 The problem with that, though, is that the audiences that follow drama 123 00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:40,079 and audiences that if you rely on this as your model and give him a 124 00:24:40,079 --> 00:24:44,720 little free consultation here to reason and theology. When you rely on that, 125 00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:52,680 it doesn't keep converts and it comes off as a desperate attempt to maintain whatever 126 00:24:52,759 --> 00:24:56,920 he's up to over there, whatever that thing is with the cult that he's 127 00:24:56,960 --> 00:25:03,799 starting in his garage to Saint Maximus Fellowship or whatever that is. So let's 128 00:25:03,799 --> 00:25:06,079 get into the issues. That's enough on that. I mean, if you 129 00:25:06,319 --> 00:25:11,119 if you want to look at the you know, the video that David did, 130 00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:15,319 you can go over to David Rhon formerly David the Real Med White Channel, 131 00:25:17,039 --> 00:25:22,119 and David just put up a video basically outlining the entire discussion right and 132 00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:30,039 an issue and the problems with Lofton's motors OPERONDI constant underhanded activities, and I 133 00:25:30,119 --> 00:25:33,359 mean just the idea that making fun of somebody making jokes that they think this 134 00:25:33,519 --> 00:25:37,839 is slander. It's not what slander is, dud, I mean, it's 135 00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:41,799 just it's it's pitiful really. But so what we're going to do tonight is 136 00:25:41,319 --> 00:25:45,799 that promised stream that I talked about a lot in the past year, which 137 00:25:45,839 --> 00:25:48,680 I didn't really get around to. We did a really hefty in depth stream 138 00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:56,880 last year or the year before where we went deep into set of a content, 139 00:25:59,119 --> 00:26:02,359 and we did multiple streams last year, you know with Snack David, 140 00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:08,839 Father Deacon UBI, where we got into papal claims, quote minds Vatican One. 141 00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:12,559 So I'm not chiefly gonna be dealing with quote minch tonight. We're we're 142 00:26:12,559 --> 00:26:18,880 gonna look at a few of the claims. But what the largesse of the 143 00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:23,480 Roman system rests on is, of course Vatican One. Now Rouman Catholics always 144 00:26:23,559 --> 00:26:27,279 refer to Vatican One as kind of well, we know Vatican One settled the 145 00:26:27,359 --> 00:26:33,960 issue of the papal debate, but hardly any of them have actually read the 146 00:26:33,039 --> 00:26:37,119 documents. Now, when I said the documents, I do not mean ewtn's 147 00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:41,000 two to three page summary, which we're going to look at first, because 148 00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:45,799 we're going to see that what's in ewtn's summary of pastor returns here, which 149 00:26:45,880 --> 00:26:52,559 is abridged. Notice that abridged leaves out not intentionally. I don't think they 150 00:26:52,599 --> 00:26:56,400 were intentionally doing this. I just think they wanted to give the basics leaves 151 00:26:56,440 --> 00:27:00,759 out. What is if you go over to Papal and Cyclicals dot net the 152 00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:03,039 full treatise, right, So the full thing printed out is about fifteen or 153 00:27:03,079 --> 00:27:08,039 twenty pages, probably most of them just skipped over to read this, or 154 00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:15,759 they, you know, picked up something like uh Oughts Fundamentals of Catholic Dogma 155 00:27:15,839 --> 00:27:19,119 and turned to page two seventy nine, which we'll look at in a minute. 156 00:27:19,799 --> 00:27:22,799 So this is gonna be a little long, it's gonna be a little 157 00:27:22,799 --> 00:27:25,799 born, but we gotta do it this way because there's no other way to 158 00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:30,119 look at the actual texts and the actual documents. So then we're gonna get 159 00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:32,920 to some of the texts in Denzinger, and we're gonna look at the canons 160 00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:38,119 of the Councils again that demonstrate the mind of the Church is not Vatican One. 161 00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:42,599 And we're gonna, yeah, I'll mention some of the casustri and some 162 00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:45,839 of the soft strying deflections that they always go to. And I know because 163 00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:48,720 I made all these same arguments. I did all the same deflections, all 164 00:27:48,759 --> 00:27:55,200 the same casustrie when I was Roman Catholic. And that's because most of the 165 00:27:55,279 --> 00:28:00,160 time the context is not given right. It's just like when we saw Anthony 166 00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:06,920 Rodgers trying to prove faith alone in the Church Fathers, when Perry over on 167 00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:11,279 Sam Schremun's channel did that five hour lecture deconstructing this is just a total demolishing 168 00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:15,160 of the fact, showing that these are quote minds. And the problem with 169 00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:19,640 the quote mind is not wrong to proof text, but a quote mind is 170 00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:25,240 where we're just kind of cutting out of the context anything that gives the appearance 171 00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:30,359 of something that will imply Vatican one, because hardly any of the texts in 172 00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:36,559 the first thousand years, even the ones that speak of the premacy of honor 173 00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:42,200 and the role of the bishop and the Roman bishop and canonical procedure, none 174 00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:45,640 of them amount to the claims that we will see are in Vatican one. 175 00:28:48,559 --> 00:28:55,279 And one of the key issues there is the universal Magisterium, both in its 176 00:28:55,640 --> 00:29:00,240 ordinary and extraordinary form, now locked into a stream replying to the at basically 177 00:29:00,319 --> 00:29:07,039 trying to make all these nuanced ways that Vatican two clarifies. That that's nice 178 00:29:07,079 --> 00:29:11,079 that there's all these clarifications in Vatican two. But I'm more interested in the 179 00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:17,119 actual theologians of the Church who comment on the issue and not some random dude 180 00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:22,400 on YouTube, right, people that have actual prowess within the Roman Calloic Church 181 00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:26,880 in terms of theological recognition. And so we look at one of the theologians 182 00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:32,920 over at one Peter five, who gives basically the same explication of what Universal 183 00:29:33,279 --> 00:29:37,839 Magisterium both ordinary and extraordinary means. It's the same stuff I said, right, 184 00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:42,240 And in order to understand that, we're gonna have to look at what 185 00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:48,720 Vatican one actually says in those texts, not from the abridged version over here 186 00:29:48,839 --> 00:29:53,240 at EWTN that probably most people look at when they search this. And the 187 00:29:53,319 --> 00:29:56,319 reason I know this is because it took me a long time back in the 188 00:29:56,440 --> 00:30:00,200 day to actually find the full text about before I had Denzeen, like way 189 00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:06,200 back when I was in my twenties as a trad Catholic. And so yes, 190 00:30:06,319 --> 00:30:11,359 the Papalincyclicals dot net version is the full version and it's about fifteen or 191 00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:14,880 twenty pages, but most of them do not read that, right, That's 192 00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:19,480 the point I'm trying to make. Then we're gonna look over here at the 193 00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:23,960 cannons and we're gonna go through each of these and see how they do not 194 00:30:25,039 --> 00:30:30,880 lin up with Vatican One. And I'm gonna probably repeat this many times because 195 00:30:30,039 --> 00:30:34,880 these guys don't listen to the arguments, right, They twist, they malign, 196 00:30:36,079 --> 00:30:38,519 they just ignore. It goes in one ear out the other, especially 197 00:30:38,559 --> 00:30:41,559 with a bar up talk to note, I've known a barrow for I don't 198 00:30:41,559 --> 00:30:45,839 know, five or six years. We've interacted for a long time many times, 199 00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:52,720 and so that's really the source of frustration, is not that everybody just 200 00:30:52,799 --> 00:30:56,920 wants to be nasty, but what happens is that when there's obstinacy and just 201 00:30:57,279 --> 00:31:03,559 not listening and then twist, and then then it turns into nasty stuff after 202 00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:07,839 everything was perfectly fine for a while. Now of course they said you were 203 00:31:07,839 --> 00:31:11,519 the ones that were mean. Yeah, not really. I mean, we've 204 00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:17,799 we've gone into that many times. We're not gonna do the drama. We're 205 00:31:17,839 --> 00:31:21,599 gonna look at just the flat out, straight up documents, and then we're 206 00:31:21,599 --> 00:31:25,599 gonna play a little bit of David's video again because it's so good and because 207 00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:30,599 it really outlines one easy way to prove this. So even if we don't 208 00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:36,319 want to dive into, you know, piles and piles of pable documents and 209 00:31:36,359 --> 00:31:41,799 all these printouts and all these essays, one of the easiest ways to demonstrate 210 00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:48,759 why this doesn't work is precisely the evolution of how Eastern Catholicism has progressed. 211 00:31:49,519 --> 00:31:52,960 So this is byzantine, right, Catholics, Uni Aids, et cetera. 212 00:31:55,359 --> 00:32:00,559 And how the reversal of positions on Saint Photius and Saint Gregory Polam and even 213 00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:09,039 some of the Uniates who revere basically all of the of the the pillars of 214 00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:14,440 Orthodoxy, so even Saint Mark of Ephesis, right, I mean, I'm 215 00:32:14,519 --> 00:32:23,839 amazing to think that you can oppose Florence, but Roman Catholics will accept you 216 00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:29,119 as a saint, and then others not. And so what we begin to 217 00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:34,119 see is that really what the Roman Catholic Church is is a vast umbrella that 218 00:32:34,319 --> 00:32:38,799 is supposed to be a unified system and a system that provides clarity, and 219 00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:44,200 it does not do that. In fact, its only strength is in affirming 220 00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:49,359 the papacy as an end in itself. Meanwhile, you can do and have 221 00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:52,079 any of the views that you want. Now, that's a long time criticism 222 00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:59,119 that Roman Catholics of course scoffed at, especially during the more traditional pre Vatican 223 00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:04,440 two periods. However, since Francis, that criticism and Vatican too, I 224 00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:09,000 mean that criticism has really hit home, right, because nobody can, honestly, 225 00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:13,720 especially an our day, especially in the years of the Francis Pontificate, 226 00:33:13,839 --> 00:33:19,119 say that Francis has been a source of unity I've never seen. I mean, 227 00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:22,559 I came in to Rome Catholicism under John Paul the second back in the 228 00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:25,279 day, back in two thousand and three in the Novasordo, by the way, 229 00:33:27,319 --> 00:33:31,319 before I went to the trad Latin mass and at that time, I 230 00:33:31,359 --> 00:33:37,039 mean, it was still a bursioning trad movement that was not large. But 231 00:33:37,359 --> 00:33:42,400 I would say, I don't know, maybe you know, most large cities 232 00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:46,440 had at least one SSPX chapel or maybe an FSSP chapel, Right, so 233 00:33:46,839 --> 00:33:52,839 the fissure was not near what it is now. And the reason I bring 234 00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:58,839 that up is that David's video makes at just an astounding point, not just 235 00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:01,400 this video but the other one that he did on Iborro's Fatal Flaw, and 236 00:34:01,559 --> 00:34:07,880 it really addresses the recent loft In video on the issues with the Moscow Patriarchate 237 00:34:08,079 --> 00:34:14,079 and Africa in the easiest, simplest way. And that is just simply to 238 00:34:14,159 --> 00:34:19,000 say that if you think that looking at a church and seeing a schism amongst 239 00:34:19,039 --> 00:34:24,599 patriarchates is itself an argument against that ecclesiology or that church, then by your 240 00:34:24,679 --> 00:34:29,400 own definition, the first thousand years of Christianity, which was which was united, 241 00:34:30,639 --> 00:34:35,519 is thereby flawed because there were divisions amongst the patriarchates in the first thousand 242 00:34:35,559 --> 00:34:37,960 years. Do you see how silly and stupid this argument is. He has 243 00:34:38,039 --> 00:34:44,440 relied on this argument he and a barrow four years and it is just completely 244 00:34:44,559 --> 00:34:47,800 dumb. I want to I want to be clear that you get this argument 245 00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:52,000 right, because it's so obvious that somebody it flies over some people's heads and 246 00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:58,679 they don't understand it right. So the argument is the Orthodox Church is fraught 247 00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:06,320 with these problems unity because of internal disagreements between patriarchates, and that itself is 248 00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:12,280 an example a way to show that because the Moscow Patriarchate is against the ep 249 00:35:14,519 --> 00:35:19,599 the Orthodox Church in its ecclesiology can't be the case, aren't true and are 250 00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:25,079 missing the office of the papacy. But wait a minute on that view. 251 00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:30,199 On their view as Roman Catholics for the first thousand years, the church is 252 00:35:30,679 --> 00:35:38,719 loosely speaking, united, and yet it contains divisions and schisms with patriarchates and 253 00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:46,079 condemned popes, and it had the papacy, and yet there were these gigantic 254 00:35:46,119 --> 00:35:51,519 schisms. So do you see how this argument turns back on these goobers on 255 00:35:51,639 --> 00:35:57,840 head. It's just such a brain dead argument. It's like these people literally 256 00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:00,840 have never had an epistemology class. Right. Often is like I had a 257 00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:04,320 couple of philosophy classes back in the day. I know't you had any, 258 00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:07,480 and maybe you had one, right, but I mean these And the reason 259 00:36:07,559 --> 00:36:10,079 I say that is because if you had had basic basic logic, basic philosophy 260 00:36:10,119 --> 00:36:14,440 classes, basicallysmology, you would know and you would be able to see the 261 00:36:14,519 --> 00:36:20,559 flaws in these stupid arguments. Right. Like, David has a video which 262 00:36:20,599 --> 00:36:25,360 will pull up here in a second, illustrating this point, precisely about Ibarra 263 00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:30,280 where he uses this argument. I want you to see this. We're gonna 264 00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:32,360 kick off with this. We might as well just kick off with this because 265 00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:40,480 it's a really great point where barrow uh and David David included it in his 266 00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:45,519 like ten Worst arguments video. Right, So, let's let's listen to a 267 00:36:45,559 --> 00:36:51,440 little bit of this argumentation. He was a serpent? Man? Am I 268 00:36:51,519 --> 00:36:55,039 the only person sick of that? Dude? Think about the if you're a 269 00:36:55,079 --> 00:37:00,800 snake, how do you speak? How does the snake speak? Anyway? 270 00:37:02,159 --> 00:37:07,599 So let's look at this fatal flaw argument. It's essentially repeated by all of 271 00:37:07,679 --> 00:37:13,320 this crew as if it's a good argument. And again, what it shows 272 00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:21,119 is just a reliance on their audience not paying attention or not looking into these 273 00:37:21,159 --> 00:37:24,119 things, or not thinking about this. Right, So let's be really clear 274 00:37:24,199 --> 00:37:29,320 what this argument is. And you're gonna notice Abara make a different version of 275 00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:34,199 it. Right he bar is not going to be talking about the Moscow patriarchy. 276 00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:36,960 But it's the same argument at work here. So let's let's let David 277 00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:44,599 make a few points here because I came across this comment by online apologists Eric 278 00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:49,840 Yubara. Now this is someone that we know, and the comment is mind 279 00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:55,559 numbingly stupid. I will be Somebody said Lofton is getting a PhD. I 280 00:37:55,639 --> 00:37:59,119 don't even know if that's true or not. But my point, by way, 281 00:37:59,119 --> 00:38:02,320 there's a lot of dumpy hds. My point was that, uh, 282 00:38:02,599 --> 00:38:07,039 he doesn't understand what it means to justify claims and to and to do good 283 00:38:07,159 --> 00:38:12,360 argumentation. That's what I'm trying to say. So you can get a PhD 284 00:38:12,519 --> 00:38:15,480 in all kinds of things. Remember when I debated JF, Well, JF 285 00:38:15,559 --> 00:38:19,480 has a PhD just having a PhD mean the argumentation was good, No, 286 00:38:19,599 --> 00:38:22,840 of course not so I don't who cares about a PhD? Earlier? Very 287 00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:28,000 harsh in this because this is one of the stupidest comments I have ever read 288 00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:31,360 concerning Orthodoxy ever in my life. For those who don't know, Quby is 289 00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:38,719 a Roman Catholic papal lawyer apologists. His main his main verk is that echo 290 00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:44,920 collecting a bunch of quotes from church fathers that speak nice things about Rome and 291 00:38:45,079 --> 00:38:49,320 acting as if that means they're defending the Council of the First Council of the 292 00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:52,320 Vatican. That's really what he does. But when he goes outside of that, 293 00:38:52,519 --> 00:38:58,000 you see what happens with him. And I will read this this writing 294 00:38:58,320 --> 00:39:01,559 really quickly, and then I will step by step go across what's wrong with 295 00:39:01,679 --> 00:39:05,760 this writing. So he says that there's a bit of a jungle vaiting for 296 00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:07,559 the convert, the need a communion. For a while we speak of Orthodoxy 297 00:39:07,599 --> 00:39:10,760 in the singular. There are, in fact orthodoxies, if you respect, 298 00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:16,039 other Eastern bodies, such as the Beast and the Ciac Coptic Epic Indian Orthodox. 299 00:39:16,599 --> 00:39:21,239 The Byzantines famously stuck it up with the vest Hunts of the second millennium, 300 00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:23,280 but there are earlier breaks within the East. Of course, today there's 301 00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:28,719 a severance between Moscow and Constantinople, Antioch and Jerusalem, the significance of which 302 00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:32,039 continues to be downplayed in light of some category of half medium schism, and 303 00:39:32,159 --> 00:39:37,000 finally the true because so there you go. There is Eric pointing out basically 304 00:39:37,079 --> 00:39:43,880 this argument, right that the Moscow patriarch versus the ep which, by the 305 00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:45,800 way, people, we've covered that in previous podcasts a long time ago, 306 00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:51,519 and I actually talked about this being a problem ten years ago, right, 307 00:39:51,559 --> 00:39:55,400 I was talking about the problems with Bartholomew. So it's not like this is 308 00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:59,880 some like like they discovered this big like whoa, we got him. There's 309 00:39:59,880 --> 00:40:02,800 like this problem. This is a problem that has plagued the Church since the 310 00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:09,639 earliest days, divisions and schisms between patriarchates. Do these people not understand that 311 00:40:10,519 --> 00:40:17,199 Constantinople one, as we've pointed out many times, was called convoked, convened 312 00:40:17,559 --> 00:40:23,119 outside of communion with Rome, dogmatized the Trinity on the basis of the Cappadocians, 313 00:40:24,559 --> 00:40:30,159 and this was presided over by Saint Melidius, who also died outside of 314 00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:37,840 Rome, and the Roman Catholic Church today accepts Constantinople won the Second Council as 315 00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:43,280 dogmatic, guided by the Holy Spirit, and presided over by a saint who 316 00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:46,480 died out of community with Rome. How in the world does that match up 317 00:40:46,639 --> 00:40:52,760 with Unum sanctum, which says that no one can be saved outside of communion 318 00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:55,480 with the Bishop of Rome. How does that match up to Cantate Domino the 319 00:40:55,559 --> 00:41:00,559 Council of Florence, which says that even if you're a martyr, if you 320 00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:02,800 do this martyrdom for the name of Christ outside of communion with the Bishop of 321 00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:08,840 Rome, it does not save you. You are damned. Of course, 322 00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:13,119 they'll just say, well, but Vatican too clarified this on the basis of 323 00:41:13,480 --> 00:41:20,239 evolving dogma, and we're gonna look at some articles that discuss the living Magisterium 324 00:41:20,360 --> 00:41:24,760 and how it evolved. We're gonna look at aunt saying the same thing too, 325 00:41:25,559 --> 00:41:31,920 but at the same time as it evolves and the understanding new information. 326 00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:36,599 Oh well, it wasn't clear in the first issue, but oh actually it 327 00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:44,280 was. Everyone always believed in Roman supremacy, infallibility and jurisdiction. If that 328 00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:47,159 was the case, then well, if one of those is the case, 329 00:41:47,199 --> 00:41:50,760 then the other one can't be the case. It can't be the case that 330 00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:55,280 it was always known and believed in and it was clear, and that at 331 00:41:55,320 --> 00:41:59,559 the same time, it's a doctrine that was a seed that evolves into a 332 00:41:59,639 --> 00:42:06,840 tree. But let's look at this argument from the fact that there's divisions in 333 00:42:07,119 --> 00:42:10,840 the Orthodox world or what's called the Orthodox world, schisms between patriarchis, et 334 00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:19,440 cetera, and the idea that from that perspective, the ecclesiology is therefore suspect 335 00:42:19,679 --> 00:42:23,239 or fails. That's comedians, all of which never tie from finding all sorts 336 00:42:23,239 --> 00:42:28,800 of reasons to condemn world Orthodoxy as well as the other non canonical bodies that 337 00:42:28,920 --> 00:42:32,159 don't agree with their particular mission and Catholicism, you had the breakdown of credibility, 338 00:42:32,280 --> 00:42:36,280 morality, and clarity from the hierarchy in the pope himself. One should 339 00:42:36,320 --> 00:42:38,679 choose either one while also not putting their trust in princes. All right, 340 00:42:39,599 --> 00:42:44,559 thirty hours ago is maybe it's later, but I came across this very recently, 341 00:42:44,599 --> 00:42:49,000 so I wanted to comments on this. And this is the clear example 342 00:42:49,119 --> 00:42:52,039 of what someone will say when they have absolutely no knowledge but they're trying to 343 00:42:52,119 --> 00:42:58,159 criticize no knowledge about something, but they try to criticize that something. Eric 344 00:42:58,199 --> 00:43:01,119 Kubara has shown in many instances like this one that he has no idea what 345 00:43:01,199 --> 00:43:05,639 he's talking about when he's talking about the Orthodox Church. So let me get 346 00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:07,639 through step by step what's wrong with it. So, first of all, 347 00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:15,440 he's attributing the schisms between the Church of the East and the Monophysize churches Syriac, 348 00:43:15,480 --> 00:43:21,360 Coptic, Ethiopik and whatnot to us. And this is and and if 349 00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:25,079 you remember, this is exactly what Timothy Flanders and Taylor Marshall did against us. 350 00:43:25,239 --> 00:43:30,320 They did the same exact thing. Now, none of them know church 351 00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:32,400 history, so they might be a bit surprised, but with a two minutes 352 00:43:32,440 --> 00:43:37,119 Google search, you can find out that these churches skis him in the fifth 353 00:43:37,360 --> 00:43:44,079 and sixth centuries. Now, if you're a Christian, if you're Apostolic Christian, 354 00:43:45,039 --> 00:43:47,519 you know what the problem with this is. If you're attributing these schisms 355 00:43:47,559 --> 00:43:52,480 to us, you're inadvertently admitting that we are the true Church. And you're 356 00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:55,880 also admitting that you didn't even exist back then. Because if they believe that 357 00:43:55,920 --> 00:44:00,360 they existed back then, they will attribute those schisms to their own. They'll 358 00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:02,960 say they schism from us, but instead they're saying they schism from the Orthodox, 359 00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:07,599 meaning that yeah, I mean, hopefully we understand the argument here right 360 00:44:08,239 --> 00:44:16,079 that Ibarra thinks that the Nestorian Church the Coptics, that that's a schism in 361 00:44:16,199 --> 00:44:24,039 the Orthodox Church. Are you serious they schismed from when you believe it was 362 00:44:24,199 --> 00:44:29,880 the Roman Catholic Church united East and West for the first thousand years. Can 363 00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:32,239 you see how stupid this is? At that time, Viva the true Church 364 00:44:32,519 --> 00:44:37,000 and they didn't even exist. Back to this is very simple. I have 365 00:44:37,119 --> 00:44:39,400 no idea why people even make this argument. It just makes them look even 366 00:44:39,480 --> 00:44:45,840 stupider than they are. And it's frankly speaking, in embarrassment. I mean, 367 00:44:45,960 --> 00:44:49,639 if this is the level of apologetics that we have to do, give 368 00:44:49,679 --> 00:44:52,400 me a break. This is this is You can look up Google two minutes 369 00:44:52,599 --> 00:44:58,639 and you'll already know what's wrong with this argument. But I also want to 370 00:44:58,679 --> 00:45:05,559 add this. If you'll watch my East in Catholicism refutes Rome video, it's 371 00:45:05,639 --> 00:45:07,679 one of my most so people are saying that he's low. Let me try 372 00:45:07,800 --> 00:45:27,000 to up this popular videos. You can find out that this argument actually applies 373 00:45:27,039 --> 00:45:30,320 to them because they are while they're not. I emphasize, they're not a 374 00:45:30,360 --> 00:45:34,239 community with us. They're not a communit Orthodox. They're not in community. 375 00:45:35,159 --> 00:45:40,239 Volume here, son, we're grabbing burgers for dinner, if you're interested. 376 00:45:42,159 --> 00:45:52,039 I'm Vegan Walter video spontaneously because I came across this comment by online apologist Eric 377 00:45:52,239 --> 00:45:55,960 Yubara, and now this is someone that we know, and the comment is 378 00:45:57,079 --> 00:46:04,599 mind numbingly stupid. Refutes Rome video. It's one of my most popular videos. 379 00:46:04,760 --> 00:46:08,719 You can find out that this argument actually applies to them because they are 380 00:46:08,760 --> 00:46:13,360 invalid. They're not. I emphasize, they're not in communion with us. 381 00:46:13,400 --> 00:46:15,360 They're not in communit with Orthodox. They're not in communion with the Church of 382 00:46:15,440 --> 00:46:20,320 the East, nor are they in communion with the Monoposide churches. However, 383 00:46:21,280 --> 00:46:25,039 however, they are in community with the seramla Bars and the Kaladeans, which 384 00:46:25,119 --> 00:46:28,719 believe the same exact thing as the Church of the East. Police. They 385 00:46:28,719 --> 00:46:30,880 are in communient with the business in Orthodox, which believe the same exact thing 386 00:46:30,920 --> 00:46:36,559 that we believe. They are in communion with the Coptics, which perhaps they 387 00:46:36,679 --> 00:46:38,280 believe or not. I'm not one hundred percent sure, so I will not 388 00:46:38,360 --> 00:46:43,760 make comments on it and unlock ubara. When I don't know about something, 389 00:46:43,840 --> 00:46:45,159 I do admit that I don't know about something, but I do know that 390 00:46:45,239 --> 00:46:49,760 the business in Orthodox and the Church and the seramla Bars and the Caldeens do 391 00:46:50,599 --> 00:46:54,519 believe something that the Roman Catholic Church does not believe. However, they are 392 00:46:54,679 --> 00:46:58,599 the Roman Catholic Churches in community these people. So as a matter of fact, 393 00:46:58,639 --> 00:47:02,840 this argument applies to him, not to us. And again you can 394 00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:10,679 watch Eastern Cafalism refutes Rome video. It's explained right this thirteen minutes moron. 395 00:47:10,880 --> 00:47:16,000 He says we stuck with them into the second millennium, which is again very 396 00:47:16,079 --> 00:47:19,679 funny. He's actually been discuised him to us. But then, oh, 397 00:47:19,760 --> 00:47:22,599 you know, they stuck with us. So I don't know what's going on 398 00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:28,639 with this guy. But they are earlier breaks within the East, earlier breaks 399 00:47:28,719 --> 00:47:32,079 within the East. It's actually so he actually doesn't realize that his examples are 400 00:47:32,159 --> 00:47:36,920 the earlier breaks within the East that were part of what he thinks is the 401 00:47:37,000 --> 00:47:38,559 Roman Gallic Church. Do you see how stupid these people are? These to 402 00:47:38,679 --> 00:47:45,280 us makes no sense. Again, makes absolutely no sense by the way I 403 00:47:45,360 --> 00:47:49,920 want, I want to I want to also mention this. He confuses us. 404 00:47:50,639 --> 00:47:53,039 He confuses us because we have the name Orthodoxy, right. He confuses 405 00:47:53,159 --> 00:48:00,599 us with the Church of the East who call themselves Orthodox, and with the 406 00:48:00,760 --> 00:48:06,880 Orientals because they call themselves Orthodox. He confused us because we have the same 407 00:48:07,119 --> 00:48:12,320 name. Right, we both we all call ourselves Orthodox. I mean again, 408 00:48:12,480 --> 00:48:15,639 these these low iq comments. So UBI just did a two videos on 409 00:48:15,840 --> 00:48:21,159 the history of Orthodox evangelism. So the idea that Orthodox don't care about converts 410 00:48:21,239 --> 00:48:27,079 is just like, get these tired old questions and objections that they're just easy 411 00:48:27,199 --> 00:48:30,239 to rebot. Dude, just go do some research. Don't be lazy. 412 00:48:30,440 --> 00:48:36,280 This is the mistake that not even even an elementary school student, let not 413 00:48:36,400 --> 00:48:40,519 even that a preschooler will not make this mistake. A preschooler will understand that 414 00:48:40,639 --> 00:48:44,360 you will have two people, let's say there're two people and they both named 415 00:48:44,400 --> 00:48:49,719 Samuel. A preschooler will understand that, oh, this Samuel and this Samuel 416 00:48:49,760 --> 00:48:52,199 they had the same Yeah, so these people literally think that the names right, 417 00:48:52,280 --> 00:48:55,599 It's like that level, it's like, well, they use the word 418 00:48:55,719 --> 00:49:00,239 Orthodox, so they're the same. Uh. Now we're gonna get to his 419 00:49:00,320 --> 00:49:02,400 video. But that's the essence of that argument, right, So this attempt 420 00:49:02,480 --> 00:49:07,719 to use the Moscow patriarchate versus the EP problem, which is absolutely a real 421 00:49:07,760 --> 00:49:10,920 problem. Of course, obviously we are opposed to the EP, always have 422 00:49:12,079 --> 00:49:15,119 been in terms of at least learning about this issue. Probably seven or eight 423 00:49:15,199 --> 00:49:22,639 years ago, I was aware of what was really going on with the EP 424 00:49:22,880 --> 00:49:25,320 as basically an adjunct of the US State Department. And by the way, 425 00:49:25,400 --> 00:49:29,559 that's the case for the Roman Catholic Church and Vatican two. By the way, 426 00:49:29,679 --> 00:49:31,840 so I don't know why, I mean, Timothy Flanders can have this 427 00:49:32,079 --> 00:49:38,239 person on right, he can have David Wimhoff on to interview about this eight 428 00:49:38,320 --> 00:49:45,960 hundred page book which vindicates the deep state American intelligence apparatus utilizing the Roman Catholic 429 00:49:45,079 --> 00:49:52,199 Church, particularly at Vatican two. And after Timothy Flanders has this guy on 430 00:49:52,719 --> 00:49:57,000 right interviews, and then when I talk about this, they say it's a 431 00:49:57,039 --> 00:50:01,360 conspiracy theory. I mean, these people are like, it's unbelievable, really 432 00:50:01,440 --> 00:50:05,719 what these people do, what they think. By the way, if you 433 00:50:05,760 --> 00:50:09,280 want to support I'll be answering the superchats. You can superchat through the stream 434 00:50:09,360 --> 00:50:15,440 Labs link, which is right here, go ahead and like and share and 435 00:50:15,039 --> 00:50:17,960 a little bit we'll get to David Zoo. That's the essence of that argument 436 00:50:19,039 --> 00:50:22,199 there, and hopefully you get the point here is that the problems in the 437 00:50:22,239 --> 00:50:30,719 ecclesiology can't be applied as an argument themselves themselves. When you apply that argument 438 00:50:30,840 --> 00:50:34,599 to the first thousand years of what you believe is the Romancolic Church, that 439 00:50:34,679 --> 00:50:38,760 would mean your church schisms and has problems. And by the way, the 440 00:50:39,320 --> 00:50:45,440 last sixty plus years and the present day schism going on within the Romancolic Church 441 00:50:46,199 --> 00:50:52,719 over Francis, does that then disprove the church. Well, if you believe 442 00:50:52,760 --> 00:50:59,079 in papal supremacy, yes, if you believe in a decentralized form of church 443 00:50:59,159 --> 00:51:02,199 government that Orthodoxy does believe in, then it's not a problem. So all 444 00:51:02,239 --> 00:51:07,039 of their arguments are actually just premised on the papal understanding of church governance, 445 00:51:07,760 --> 00:51:13,280 acting as if the EP is a pope, acting as if the Moscow patriarchy 446 00:51:13,440 --> 00:51:15,920 is a tinier pope, like the Church of Rome is the big pope, 447 00:51:15,960 --> 00:51:20,400 and then the EP is a littler pope and then Moscow patriarchy. And that's 448 00:51:20,480 --> 00:51:25,880 the irony of You can see that that's obviously how the error in Rome evolved 449 00:51:25,960 --> 00:51:32,480 from canon law, how they went from first in honor and senidality and custom 450 00:51:32,559 --> 00:51:37,719 according to the early Canons, that Rome's honor is custom, as we'll see 451 00:51:37,719 --> 00:51:45,079 in the Canons, not divine law. How that evolves into the patriarchal system, 452 00:51:45,119 --> 00:51:51,320 the patriarchy system itself also wanting to have, especially with the EP Roman 453 00:51:51,400 --> 00:51:54,880 Catholic type power. Now, ultimately, as we know, the moves of 454 00:51:55,000 --> 00:52:02,079 Bartholomew and the EP aren't really about a jurisdictional squabble in the Ukraine or in 455 00:52:02,159 --> 00:52:08,960 Macedonia or wherever. These are, unfortunately geopolitical issues that relate to Uncle Sam 456 00:52:09,199 --> 00:52:14,000 versus Russia, and it goes back to the Cold War and even before that. 457 00:52:15,559 --> 00:52:17,960 So ultimately, yes, it's unfortunate that this occurs. But my point 458 00:52:19,039 --> 00:52:22,199 is that this occurs in the Roman Catholic Church, and so it's not an 459 00:52:22,239 --> 00:52:28,360 issue of who has worse problems. It's an issue of which ecclesiology is true 460 00:52:28,440 --> 00:52:34,159 or false, Which ecclesiology accords with the first thousand years, which everybody agrees 461 00:52:35,199 --> 00:52:38,719 is basically the unified East West Church and the canons of the Councils are the 462 00:52:38,800 --> 00:52:45,079 easiest way to see this because they reflect the mind of the Fathers in council 463 00:52:45,239 --> 00:52:54,360 ecumenically and locally, so ecumenical councils in the Canons, they even trump individual 464 00:52:54,480 --> 00:53:01,079 father's opinions. Now, I'm not even saying that that that there's this wealth 465 00:53:01,159 --> 00:53:06,800 of evidence for papal supremacy in terms of Vatican One in the first thousand years. 466 00:53:06,880 --> 00:53:13,639 There's not. And so the whole thing is premised on honor for the 467 00:53:13,679 --> 00:53:17,960 Bishop of Rome, canonical privileges for the Bishop of Rome, and Rome and 468 00:53:19,159 --> 00:53:25,239 Peter, that all equalling Vatican I. That's their whole thing. So anything 469 00:53:25,320 --> 00:53:30,000 that you read anywhere in the Canons or in the Church Fathers about Rome is 470 00:53:30,199 --> 00:53:36,599 merely interpreted to mean that. And they act like Protestants that texts don't require 471 00:53:36,639 --> 00:53:39,559 interpretation, they just mean what they say. Really, is that how you 472 00:53:39,760 --> 00:53:44,960 argue with a Protestant over soul scripture? Don't you say that the text needs 473 00:53:45,039 --> 00:53:49,960 the church slash papal interpretation? Of course, that's every Roman Catholic apologists point. 474 00:53:52,000 --> 00:53:53,360 But when it comes to the papal quote, minds, Now, there's 475 00:53:53,400 --> 00:53:58,960 no context needed. Bro, It's literally just one sentence out of Augustine one 476 00:53:59,039 --> 00:54:02,039 sentence out of Pope saying this thing over here, that thing quote mind, 477 00:54:02,199 --> 00:54:07,280 no context most of the time, most of the time. Every now and 478 00:54:07,360 --> 00:54:12,480 then when he gets really academic, yes you can find academic Roman Catholic apologists 479 00:54:13,000 --> 00:54:17,159 or writers or scholars who will give some contexts. But most of the time, 480 00:54:17,199 --> 00:54:22,320 at least in the pop uh scam apologetic crowd, they don't do that, 481 00:54:22,559 --> 00:54:29,800 right, it's just click paste over from Catholic answers. So let's look 482 00:54:29,880 --> 00:54:36,679 at then Vatican one first, according to EWTN. And we're doing that because 483 00:54:36,719 --> 00:54:39,559 I want to show you precisely why so many of these people get this wrong. 484 00:54:40,039 --> 00:54:43,679 And it's because they don't read the full thing, because they're lazy, 485 00:54:44,159 --> 00:54:49,440 because they copy paste, because they quote mine. So at EWTN the summary, 486 00:54:49,599 --> 00:54:52,440 the summary of Vatican one, which, by the way, we're gonna 487 00:54:52,519 --> 00:54:53,920 it's decent to have this summary. I'm not saying it's wrong to have a 488 00:54:53,920 --> 00:54:58,760 summary, but we want to have this summary and the full point about the 489 00:54:58,840 --> 00:55:06,199 Universal Magisterium play here as we look at what they try to do. Vatican 490 00:55:06,239 --> 00:55:13,400 One's dogmatic constitution poster attornis first dogmatic Constitution abridged on the institution of the episode 491 00:55:13,440 --> 00:55:15,960 premacy and blessed Peter. Now, why are we doing this because we want 492 00:55:16,039 --> 00:55:21,559 to show that the myriad of opinions. By the way, every Roman Catholic 493 00:55:21,960 --> 00:55:24,280 has his own view of what papal primacy means. Have you noticed this? 494 00:55:24,960 --> 00:55:30,679 Supposedly this is the foundation dogma of the unity of the church. It's going 495 00:55:30,760 --> 00:55:35,159 to supply, it's going to provide, it's going to enforce unity in the 496 00:55:35,239 --> 00:55:38,159 church. The papacy, the living successor, not the idea of a papacy, 497 00:55:38,480 --> 00:55:42,320 the living successor in Rome, as we're going to see in a moment, 498 00:55:42,519 --> 00:55:47,920 the living magisterium that's supposed to give this unity, and that the premissive 499 00:55:47,960 --> 00:55:53,280 jurisdiction is going to be exercised such that this unity will be there. And 500 00:55:53,480 --> 00:55:58,960 yet, as we will see, ninety five percent of them don't know what 501 00:55:59,159 --> 00:56:04,159 the actual dog of papal supremacy is. They have not read Vatican One, 502 00:56:04,239 --> 00:56:07,079 they don't actually know what's in it. I've read all of Denzenger mold at 503 00:56:07,079 --> 00:56:08,280 more than once. Okay, so well, we can break up the Denzenger 504 00:56:08,320 --> 00:56:12,480 if we need to. I've always got my Denzinger handy. When we're going 505 00:56:12,519 --> 00:56:14,760 to go to the Roman Catholic world, and we're going to scroll through the 506 00:56:14,840 --> 00:56:19,440 online full Denzinger here in a moment, and we're going to look at the 507 00:56:19,519 --> 00:56:24,239 specific sections that refute various traat approaches. So ninety five percent of them think, 508 00:56:25,280 --> 00:56:31,639 I only have to follow the extraordinary teachings, and the pope in any 509 00:56:31,719 --> 00:56:36,760 other ways can err and I don't have to follow it, and I can 510 00:56:36,880 --> 00:56:43,599 decide whether he's faithful to tradition or not, because they will say the pope 511 00:56:43,719 --> 00:56:49,000 is bound by the tradition. The problem with this is that according to Vatican 512 00:56:49,079 --> 00:56:54,360 One, the pope determines and judges the tradition, not you right, you 513 00:56:54,519 --> 00:56:58,440 don't have that role. In another forty and we're going to see this in 514 00:56:58,440 --> 00:57:01,639 the Vatican One documents very clearly. But remember first we're looking at the abridged 515 00:57:01,719 --> 00:57:06,199 thing that most of them read because it comes up so easy in the search 516 00:57:06,280 --> 00:57:09,920 engine. We teach them declare that, according to the Gospel evidence, premacy 517 00:57:09,960 --> 00:57:15,880 of jurisdiction over the whole church was immediately directly promised to Peter and conferred on 518 00:57:15,960 --> 00:57:22,239 him by Christ the Lord. Now there's nothing in the Gospels about universal jurisdiction. 519 00:57:22,000 --> 00:57:27,760 This is read into the passages that everybody knows, right Matthew sixteen sixteen 520 00:57:27,840 --> 00:57:32,280 eighteen, and that that must only mean that Peter can get so basically, 521 00:57:32,400 --> 00:57:37,079 Peter gives the keys to the others. If this were the case, we 522 00:57:37,159 --> 00:57:40,639 would see Jesus breathing on Peter and then Peter breathing on the apostles and saying, 523 00:57:40,679 --> 00:57:45,039 whoever sends you, they're remitted. Whoever sends you retain, they retained. 524 00:57:45,440 --> 00:57:46,840 If this were the case, we would see the Holy Spirit of Pentecost 525 00:57:46,960 --> 00:57:52,920 descending upon Peter and then Peter handing it off to the apostles. That's the 526 00:57:53,079 --> 00:57:59,960 Roman Catholic model. This is saying that that premiacy in universality was immediately convert 527 00:58:00,079 --> 00:58:07,840 in the Gospel to Jesus. And it's not it's not there. It's an 528 00:58:07,920 --> 00:58:14,280 interpretation, right, And of course this is the papal authoritative interpretation. So 529 00:58:14,480 --> 00:58:16,480 how do we know that this is the case because the papacy, who is 530 00:58:16,519 --> 00:58:21,440 the highest authority, says it's the case that the papacy is the highest authority 531 00:58:21,480 --> 00:58:24,000 according to the Gospel. This is the circularity that I talked about. And 532 00:58:24,039 --> 00:58:28,119 how do we know what the Canons scripture is? According to the Roman Catholic 533 00:58:28,159 --> 00:58:30,079 the papacy. How do we know that the papacy is true because it's in 534 00:58:30,159 --> 00:58:37,119 the gospels. Okay, So the papacy determines the gospels, which determines the 535 00:58:37,199 --> 00:58:40,559 papacy, which determines the Gospels. Okay. These are people who believe in 536 00:58:40,679 --> 00:58:47,000 foundationalism and not paradigm circular argumentation. That's a circular argument, which they don't 537 00:58:47,039 --> 00:58:52,360 believe in circular arguments at all. Do you understand this, okay? Do 538 00:58:52,440 --> 00:58:58,000 you see that this is sayingness. So whether the Gospel itself is is arguing 539 00:58:58,079 --> 00:59:01,480 this about Peter and premacy and universe reality or not. Set that aside for 540 00:59:01,559 --> 00:59:09,239 a moment. I'm talking about an epistemic issue that the authority claims are circular. 541 00:59:12,079 --> 00:59:15,320 The first appeal here is to the Gospels. You are the Christ, 542 00:59:15,400 --> 00:59:19,840 Matthew sixteen, Feed my sheet, Feed my lambs. These are the two 543 00:59:19,920 --> 00:59:25,960 texts that are given. These are the two texts that go on to justify 544 00:59:28,239 --> 00:59:32,079 all of this stuff. Vatican Bank right, that the pope is above every 545 00:59:32,159 --> 00:59:36,559 temporal leader in the world, that all kings must bow before the Pope. 546 00:59:36,719 --> 00:59:39,920 It's all from these two texts. Now, can anybody with a straight face 547 00:59:40,760 --> 00:59:45,079 act like that's not an interpretation of this text or an is of Jesus of 548 00:59:45,119 --> 00:59:51,159 this text. Does anybody actually think that in the first century the popes in 549 00:59:51,280 --> 01:00:00,800 Rome thought that that they had temporal supremacy over all rulers in the world. 550 01:00:00,960 --> 01:00:05,159 You understand that's a medieval Roman Catholic doctrine, right, I'm not making that 551 01:00:05,320 --> 01:00:12,719 up. You've read unum sanctam right. Or is this an egregious case of 552 01:00:13,079 --> 01:00:19,559 later evolved doctrines which they evolve They admit this is a seed thing that develops 553 01:00:19,679 --> 01:00:23,679 over time. I wait a minute. If it's a seed thing that develops 554 01:00:23,719 --> 01:00:29,239 over time, then how is that the meaning of these texts at that time? 555 01:00:30,719 --> 01:00:36,760 It wouldn't be You see, and remember two chapters after Matthew sixteen, 556 01:00:36,960 --> 01:00:40,239 in Matthew eighteen, Jesus says the very same thing that he said to Peter 557 01:00:40,440 --> 01:00:45,480 to the College of the Apostles. In other words, when the Holy Spirit 558 01:00:45,599 --> 01:00:51,679 comes upon them at Pentecost, each apostle, and by extension, in the 559 01:00:51,800 --> 01:00:59,800 Orthodox view, each bishop has the fullness of Catholicity. There's no city in 560 01:01:00,119 --> 01:01:05,639 one place that is the Catholic city. Do you understand this Catholicity, even 561 01:01:05,679 --> 01:01:12,639 according to them, is restricted to it almost always means universality numbers, big 562 01:01:12,760 --> 01:01:19,559 numbers, but it's one city Rome. That's the essence of Catholicity, is 563 01:01:19,639 --> 01:01:25,440 one city in Rome. And again, another way to show that this is 564 01:01:25,519 --> 01:01:31,159 not the case is keep in mind that for the first thousand years, it's 565 01:01:31,239 --> 01:01:38,239 only necessary for three bishops or for a metropolitan to ordain another bishop. Nothing 566 01:01:38,280 --> 01:01:42,519 about Rome, right, And as we look in the canons, we're going 567 01:01:42,599 --> 01:01:46,480 to see that all these canons are stated nothing about Rome in all of these 568 01:01:46,519 --> 01:01:52,400 can Imagine the Vatican One mindset being at work in each of these canons, 569 01:01:52,440 --> 01:01:57,760 of these councils as they make all of these canons that contradict Vatican One in 570 01:01:57,920 --> 01:02:05,079 every ecumenical council and in local canons and councils too, and then turning around 571 01:02:05,199 --> 01:02:08,840 with a straight face and arguing that this view of Vatican I was always the 572 01:02:08,920 --> 01:02:14,880 case, but it also evolved. It can't be the case that the doctrine 573 01:02:15,000 --> 01:02:19,639 is clear taught by the Church fathers there from the earliest days and it evolves 574 01:02:19,760 --> 01:02:24,360 over time from a seed to a tree. Those are two contradictory, mutually 575 01:02:24,400 --> 01:02:31,760 exclusive claims. No one can be in doubt. Indeed that was known in 576 01:02:31,880 --> 01:02:37,800 every age. Here we go what that blessed Peter, head of the apostles, 577 01:02:37,880 --> 01:02:43,079 pillar of faith and the foundation of the Catholic Church received the key. 578 01:02:43,199 --> 01:02:51,199 So in every age they're saying this interpretation was true. But we're going to 579 01:02:51,239 --> 01:02:57,599 see in a moment this doctrine was not clear and evolved, but it was 580 01:02:57,760 --> 01:03:00,639 known in every age, and the popes it in every age. And when 581 01:03:00,639 --> 01:03:04,639 you ask Abarrow, why didn't they exercise it in every age? Well, 582 01:03:04,760 --> 01:03:08,840 the pope didn't have bus just to everything. He couldn't just read and look 583 01:03:08,920 --> 01:03:15,960 at everything. Oh really, then how is he going to ratify every bishop 584 01:03:15,039 --> 01:03:19,559 in the world. A Borrow's own argument that the pope has to confer with 585 01:03:19,679 --> 01:03:27,320 everyone to know what's going on makes it impossible that the pope ought to affirm 586 01:03:27,480 --> 01:03:30,400 every bishop in the world. But that's what Roman Catholics after the first thousand 587 01:03:30,440 --> 01:03:37,559 years believe Bishop of Rome signs off on every bishop in the world. And 588 01:03:37,719 --> 01:03:44,159 obviously that wasn't the case in the first thousand years because the most that you 589 01:03:44,159 --> 01:03:51,039 would have in the snodo collegial patriarchal model is a patriarch, which is an 590 01:03:51,079 --> 01:03:55,519 honorary title that comes out of ecumenical councils for big cities signing off on people 591 01:03:55,679 --> 01:04:00,719 in his jurisdiction being ordained, and in the Orthodox you guess what, it's 592 01:04:00,760 --> 01:04:05,880 still that way. Another point too, I'd like to add, is that 593 01:04:08,280 --> 01:04:11,480 have you ever heard of autocephalist churches? You know this exists in the first 594 01:04:11,920 --> 01:04:19,440 thousand years, right, the idea of an autocephalist church. We still have 595 01:04:19,519 --> 01:04:24,880 autocephalist churches in the Orthodox Church. Do you think that model, which clearly 596 01:04:24,960 --> 01:04:28,719 comes out of the first thousand years of Christianity, makes any sense at all 597 01:04:29,400 --> 01:04:33,599 in the Roman Catholic system. Not talking about uniates, Okay, I know 598 01:04:33,760 --> 01:04:40,239 Roman Catholics have uniates. I know they have apostolic you know, groups that 599 01:04:40,360 --> 01:04:42,920 report directly to the apostolic See, I'm aware of all that, right, 600 01:04:43,559 --> 01:04:47,039 That's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about this specific notion of autocephalist 601 01:04:47,119 --> 01:04:57,000 churches. If there's an autocephalist church, there's not a super bishop that has 602 01:04:57,199 --> 01:05:04,280 universal jurisdiction over the autocephalist churches. And if that idea itself was inherently flawed 603 01:05:04,320 --> 01:05:10,119 and wrong, then there would not have been autocephalist churches under the first thousand 604 01:05:10,239 --> 01:05:15,079 years, which Roman Catholics believe was the Roman Catholic Church. Do you see 605 01:05:15,119 --> 01:05:19,840 how silly this is? But note that in this summary there in point to 606 01:05:20,000 --> 01:05:26,039 again, this is the one. This is the text I'm always hearkening to. 607 01:05:26,519 --> 01:05:31,400 No one can doubt, there's there's no doubt that in every age everyone 608 01:05:31,519 --> 01:05:38,000 knew that Peter was the head of the Apostles, the pillar of faith and 609 01:05:38,119 --> 01:05:42,760 the foundation of the Catholic Church, Peter himself, and that he received the 610 01:05:42,840 --> 01:05:48,280 keys from the Lord, and that to this day he lives and presides and 611 01:05:48,440 --> 01:05:56,239 exercises his judgment in the successors in Rome. So let's get clear, Roman 612 01:05:56,320 --> 01:06:00,760 Catholics. He's not a symbolic person. He's not a It's not like he 613 01:06:00,920 --> 01:06:05,840 doesn't actually represent Peter in every living successor. Peter is in the successors, 614 01:06:05,920 --> 01:06:15,800 judging, and everyone always knew this in every age, in every age, 615 01:06:16,159 --> 01:06:24,400 no doubt, that's what it says. Keep that in mind when we look 616 01:06:24,480 --> 01:06:30,280 at the canons of every ecumenical council enacting canons with the mind of the whole 617 01:06:30,320 --> 01:06:36,880 church in that time period, in each council, that are totally contradictory to 618 01:06:38,000 --> 01:06:44,880 that, meaning that not in every age and in every council, there's doubt 619 01:06:45,800 --> 01:06:49,639 that no one believed and thought that way. Have these people not read rat 620 01:06:49,679 --> 01:06:56,800 Singer? What did he say in Introduction of Christianity? The first thousand years 621 01:06:56,800 --> 01:07:02,800 of the church was collegial snodl and the Orthodox model. This is why there's 622 01:07:02,960 --> 01:07:13,519 autocephalist churches. And do you begin to see then, why this model has 623 01:07:13,760 --> 01:07:19,320 for so many years, and for so long in the last millennium been backed 624 01:07:19,360 --> 01:07:26,320 up by forgeries, frauds, deceptions and scams that the Vatican now admits are 625 01:07:26,320 --> 01:07:31,519 forgeries. Again, as UBI has said, many many times, if you 626 01:07:31,639 --> 01:07:35,519 guys have the goods, if Rome had the goods, why was there a 627 01:07:35,599 --> 01:07:43,320 need to create all these Roman forgeries to back up things like the temporal supremacy 628 01:07:43,320 --> 01:07:47,039 of the Roman bishop. I mean, you understand that pseudo Isidorian decretals are 629 01:07:47,079 --> 01:07:55,239 appealed to in the Catechism of Trent. Where was the Holy Spirit, by 630 01:07:55,280 --> 01:07:59,320 the way, in allowing the pope to know that forgeries were there? Wait 631 01:07:59,360 --> 01:08:03,800 a minute, so the Holy Spirit didn't guide the Roman see to know the 632 01:08:03,920 --> 01:08:09,800 forgeries that we're backing up the temporal supremacy of the Roman sea, the Galatian 633 01:08:09,800 --> 01:08:15,359 de Credoles, the donation of Constantine, all these famous forgeries Simachian forging forgeries. 634 01:08:18,439 --> 01:08:21,880 Well, the pope don't know everything. He got to talk to other 635 01:08:21,960 --> 01:08:26,720 people and figure it out. Oh it borrows this. Oh wait a minute, 636 01:08:28,640 --> 01:08:36,359 So is that why Leo's Tome is investigated at Chalcedon? Does it sound 637 01:08:36,520 --> 01:08:44,840 like this model of the church is a model where the council investigates the pope's 638 01:08:45,359 --> 01:08:50,359 letter to see if it's Orthodox. Or does it sound like the pope investigates 639 01:08:50,479 --> 01:08:56,000 the council and decides if the council's orthodox. Okay, Come on, anybody 640 01:08:56,000 --> 01:09:00,399 who knows anything about Vatican One knows that it's the second one. The second 641 01:09:00,439 --> 01:09:02,960 one is the Roman Galley view. The first one is the Orthodox view. 642 01:09:04,920 --> 01:09:11,039 And that's why they examine Agatho's letter to see if it's Orthodox. That's why 643 01:09:11,079 --> 01:09:15,960 they examined Leo's Tome to see if it's Orthodox. If they believed as Point 644 01:09:15,039 --> 01:09:21,600 two says that in every age everybody knew that Peter judged in his successors, 645 01:09:23,359 --> 01:09:28,840 they would not judge for days and weeks. In some instances, the pope's 646 01:09:29,000 --> 01:09:36,199 decisions and decrees and letters to see if they're Orthodox. Therefore, whoever succeeds 647 01:09:36,239 --> 01:09:40,239 in the chair of Peter obtains by the institution of Christ, the premiacy of 648 01:09:40,319 --> 01:09:44,399 Peter over the whole church, so that the truth has ordained and stands firm 649 01:09:44,439 --> 01:09:46,760 blessed. Peter preserves the rock life strength that was granted and does not abandon 650 01:09:46,800 --> 01:09:51,039 the guidance of the Church which he received. For this reason has been necessary 651 01:09:51,119 --> 01:09:54,359 for every church, that is to say, the faithful throughout the world to 652 01:09:54,399 --> 01:09:59,840 be in agreement with Rome because of the preeminent authority. In consequence that, 653 01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:02,640 I'd say quote from Ernaeus, which we did a whole stream with UBI by 654 01:10:02,680 --> 01:10:05,800 the way, which all link below if you want to see how that's misused. 655 01:10:06,039 --> 01:10:11,640 The funny thing about that is that the actual full quote of Irenaeus says 656 01:10:11,880 --> 01:10:16,199 that the reason Rome is preeminent is because of the doubly apostolic foundation of Peter 657 01:10:16,319 --> 01:10:21,079 and Paul, and Vatican One later says that you cannot say that Rome is 658 01:10:21,119 --> 01:10:26,920 preeminent because of Peter and Paul. Paul has nothing to do with this. 659 01:10:27,640 --> 01:10:31,439 In their view, it's only because Peter died in Rome. Okay, because 660 01:10:31,439 --> 01:10:38,279 they know Peter established Antioch right the Patrine Sea is known to be Rome, 661 01:10:38,359 --> 01:10:41,479 Antioch Alexandra, even all the way up into Pope Saint Gregory the Great, 662 01:10:42,079 --> 01:10:46,079 and yes, Rome is listed first. Why because it's doubly Apostolic. And 663 01:10:46,199 --> 01:10:50,800 they also don't mention the fact that Irenaeus himself had no problem telling Pope Saint 664 01:10:50,880 --> 01:10:57,520 Victor that he was wrong and that his excommunication of attempt to excommunicate a gigantic 665 01:10:57,600 --> 01:11:06,279 portion of the church was in Does that sound like Aeronaeus really believed in point 666 01:11:06,359 --> 01:11:15,279 two? No, because Irenaeus is not promoting or teaching the Vatican One doctrine. 667 01:11:15,359 --> 01:11:19,840 That's a doctrine that evolves. So the name it goes on to say 668 01:11:24,439 --> 01:11:28,239 on the power and character premacy Roman Pontiff, and so, supported by clearright 669 01:11:28,319 --> 01:11:31,399 witness of scripture and adhering to the manifest explicity decrees of both predecessors of the 670 01:11:31,479 --> 01:11:34,119 Roman Contifs and the General Councils, we probably get a new the definition of 671 01:11:34,159 --> 01:11:38,960 the ex Communical Council of Florence, which must be believed by all faithful Christians, 672 01:11:39,039 --> 01:11:42,680 namely that the Holy Apostolic see in Roman Pontiff holds a worldwide premacy, 673 01:11:42,720 --> 01:11:45,479 and that the Roman Pontiffs is a successor to Blessed Peter, the Prince of 674 01:11:45,520 --> 01:11:47,880 the Apostles, the true Vicar of Price, the whole head of the Church 675 01:11:47,920 --> 01:11:53,960 and the father and teach of all Christian people. To him, to Blessed 676 01:11:54,039 --> 01:11:59,439 Peter, full power has been given to rule into govern and blah blah blah. 677 01:12:00,119 --> 01:12:03,159 This is to be found in the acts of the Ecmmenical Councils and sacred 678 01:12:03,199 --> 01:12:06,720 Canons. Do you see this? So they're claiming, it's going to claim 679 01:12:06,760 --> 01:12:14,560 here that this above quote is in the ecumenical councils and canons. Now, 680 01:12:15,039 --> 01:12:17,640 if they mean Florence, yeah maybe, But in the first thousand years we're 681 01:12:17,640 --> 01:12:21,159 going to see that is not the case. Wherefore we teach and declare, 682 01:12:21,239 --> 01:12:26,520 by divine ordinance, the Roman Church possesses pre eminence and ordinary power over every 683 01:12:26,560 --> 01:12:33,800 other church, and that this jurisdiction, the power of the Roman pontiff is 684 01:12:33,840 --> 01:12:39,199 both episcopal and immediate. That means it's not given to him by a council, 685 01:12:39,520 --> 01:12:41,640 it is not given to him by the Roman College, it is not 686 01:12:41,720 --> 01:12:45,399 given to him by another bishop, is not given to him by the Church 687 01:12:45,600 --> 01:12:50,199 as a whole. Separate from him. The clergy and the faithful, of 688 01:12:50,319 --> 01:12:55,359 whatever right and dignity singly and collectively are bound to submit to this power by 689 01:12:55,399 --> 01:13:00,399 the duty, the hierarchical subordination and true obedience, true obedience, and not 690 01:13:00,760 --> 01:13:03,399 only in matters of faith and morals. Do you hear this? Because this 691 01:13:03,600 --> 01:13:09,119 is what every ninety five percent of the Romancalichs do is they say that only 692 01:13:09,199 --> 01:13:12,000 in the matters of faith and morals. When I read about it and when 693 01:13:12,039 --> 01:13:14,880 I decide I'm going to follow Francis, am I bound to follow it. 694 01:13:15,319 --> 01:13:18,479 I'm going to pick and choose Like the Protestants that I hypocritically always talk about 695 01:13:18,720 --> 01:13:23,000 picking and choosing. I'm going to pick and choose with the papal documents, 696 01:13:23,039 --> 01:13:30,199 because I'm a papal solar scripturist, only the matters of faith and morals that 697 01:13:30,319 --> 01:13:36,840 I find relevant, uh oh, but also in regard to the discipline and 698 01:13:38,439 --> 01:13:42,520 government of the church throughout the world. Do you hear that, traads? 699 01:13:43,000 --> 01:13:45,960 Do you hear that SSPX? Do you hear that FSSP? Do you hear 700 01:13:46,039 --> 01:13:50,840 that conservative Novis orders who think that you can reject Francis, who is the 701 01:13:50,880 --> 01:14:00,279 living successor of Peter according to this, are you only bound to fail and 702 01:14:00,359 --> 01:14:05,640 morals? Ninety percent of you of that crowd say this, I'm only bound 703 01:14:05,760 --> 01:14:11,960 to what he says in terms of true obedience in faith and morals, the 704 01:14:12,159 --> 01:14:16,680 very public abridged definition that all of you guys go to says that's not all 705 01:14:16,720 --> 01:14:25,279 that you're bound to. True obedience is not only in matters of faith and 706 01:14:25,359 --> 01:14:29,800 morals, but also in those things which regard discipline and government in the church. 707 01:14:31,279 --> 01:14:38,279 That right there refutes a gigantic portion of the delusion of the triad world. 708 01:14:39,319 --> 01:14:42,359 And when I was SSPX, when I went to Latin maths for many 709 01:14:42,439 --> 01:14:45,560 years, I believe that I thought that, yes, I am, we 710 01:14:45,760 --> 01:14:51,119 have the right to sit back, dig into the books and decide if the 711 01:14:51,199 --> 01:14:55,720 pope is being faithful to tradition or not, and we're going to judge that 712 01:14:55,800 --> 01:15:00,560 he's not, and that Batican two is optional. Does this sound anything like 713 01:15:00,680 --> 01:15:09,479 that? Does it sound like you have the option to decide it's time to 714 01:15:09,560 --> 01:15:15,000 be honest with yourself as I was, that you either stick with Francis if 715 01:15:15,039 --> 01:15:23,079 you believe the system, or you're done. There's no Roman Catholicism without Francis. 716 01:15:24,319 --> 01:15:28,800 And this is the abridged, clear as day doctrine of Vatican one for 717 01:15:28,960 --> 01:15:34,439 everybody. Can you have Roman Catholicism without Francis? Can you have Roman Catholicism 718 01:15:34,840 --> 01:15:39,640 with Francis and only the things that you want I only care about. What 719 01:15:40,039 --> 01:15:43,199 did they all say, I'm only bound to the pope's ex cathedra statements. 720 01:15:43,239 --> 01:15:45,680 That's half of them. The other half of them say, well, I'm 721 01:15:45,760 --> 01:15:49,239 only bound to the pope's ex cathedra statements and the things that I judge him 722 01:15:49,279 --> 01:15:56,399 to be faithful to in terms of tradition. That is the direct opposite attitude 723 01:15:56,720 --> 01:16:01,479 of what this says. True obedience is not only matters of faith and morals, 724 01:16:01,520 --> 01:16:05,760 but also disciplinary and government. That means the sacraments. That means you 725 01:16:05,840 --> 01:16:11,880 don't judge what sacraments are valid, you don't judge the rights, you don't 726 01:16:11,960 --> 01:16:17,920 judge who's excommunicated SSPX. You don't have the right to say I reject John 727 01:16:17,960 --> 01:16:26,319 Paul the seconds ex communication of le Fever, because when you do, you 728 01:16:26,479 --> 01:16:31,199 are under the condemnation of Vatican one. Thus, and by the way, 729 01:16:31,479 --> 01:16:34,239 I can show you in Densinger where they get that. That's all in Densinger. 730 01:16:35,119 --> 01:16:39,920 What they just said right there is in Densinger. I've covered this in 731 01:16:40,119 --> 01:16:45,239 multiple lime streams for you guys for at least four years now. That very 732 01:16:45,319 --> 01:16:51,960 point in this way unity of the Romancolic Church and communion the profession of the 733 01:16:51,960 --> 01:16:56,119 same faith. The Church of Christ becomes one flock under the Shepherd, Supreme 734 01:16:56,199 --> 01:17:00,399 Shepherd. This is the teaching of the Catholic faith. No one can depart 735 01:17:00,520 --> 01:17:06,399 from that without endangering faith and salvation. Do you hear that? Roman Catholics. 736 01:17:08,000 --> 01:17:12,800 If you don't believe what I just said, you are schismatic and inherented. 737 01:17:14,279 --> 01:17:17,800 You will lose your salvation if you think that you can pick and choose, 738 01:17:19,920 --> 01:17:29,960 and that true obedience only applies to the things that you want to believe, 739 01:17:30,600 --> 01:17:42,720 to the things that you think. Francis is faithful to this power of 740 01:17:42,800 --> 01:17:45,159 the Supreme Pontiff. Way in no way detracts from the ordinary, immediate power 741 01:17:45,199 --> 01:17:49,560 of episcopal jurisdiction from all the rest of the bishops who have succeeded to the 742 01:17:49,600 --> 01:17:54,560 place the apostles by the appointment of the Holy Spirit. They tend and govern 743 01:17:54,680 --> 01:17:58,000 individually the particular flocks which have been assigned to them. On the contrary, 744 01:17:58,439 --> 01:18:01,199 this power of Theirs is asserted, its reported, and defended by the Supreme 745 01:18:01,319 --> 01:18:05,279 Universal Pastor. Pope Saint Gray the Great says, my honor is the honor 746 01:18:05,319 --> 01:18:09,079 of the whole church. My honor is a said fast strength of the brethren. 747 01:18:09,159 --> 01:18:13,000 There do I clay, Then do I receive true honor when it's denied 748 01:18:13,039 --> 01:18:15,880 to none of them to whom honor is due? Okay, yep, I 749 01:18:15,920 --> 01:18:19,520 mean him saying you've noticed the way that I mean. Multiple patriarchs and bishops 750 01:18:19,520 --> 01:18:24,079 speak this way. Basil says, the Sea of Antioch is the head of 751 01:18:24,119 --> 01:18:26,159 the world, the head of the Church, the head of all churches. 752 01:18:26,760 --> 01:18:30,039 And nobody believes that the Bishop of Antioch is the head of the church. 753 01:18:30,399 --> 01:18:36,159 But they take flowery prose and then read into that Vatican one. That's literally 754 01:18:36,239 --> 01:18:41,680 what they do to the quote minds. Furthermore, it follows from the supreme 755 01:18:41,720 --> 01:18:44,199 power which the Roman pontifas and government the Church, he has the right and 756 01:18:44,279 --> 01:18:46,560 performs the office to communicate freely with the pastors and flocks of the church, 757 01:18:47,159 --> 01:18:50,880 to guide them into salvation. And therefore we condemn and reject the opinion of 758 01:18:50,880 --> 01:18:55,439 those who hold that this communication of the supreme habit the pastor of flocks lawfully 759 01:18:55,520 --> 01:18:59,520 be obstructed. So you can't obstruct the pope doing this stuff, or that 760 01:18:59,560 --> 01:19:03,279 it should have on the civil power which leads him to maintain that what is 761 01:19:03,319 --> 01:19:08,520 a term by absoluic ce or by its authority concern of the governments of the 762 01:19:08,560 --> 01:19:17,279 Church has no force unless it is confirmed by the civil authority. Then it 763 01:19:17,319 --> 01:19:21,479 goes on to say that he judges the whole Church. He's a supreme judge. 764 01:19:26,159 --> 01:19:30,760 All cases fall under ecclesiastical jurisdiction, every coourse, that to his judgment, 765 01:19:32,079 --> 01:19:35,199 the sentence of the apic See, to which there is no higher authority, 766 01:19:35,520 --> 01:19:44,199 is not subject to revision by anyone in matters of discipline as well. 767 01:19:51,359 --> 01:19:54,960 And then it says, of course that the judgment of the Roman pontiffs are 768 01:19:55,039 --> 01:20:02,600 not subject to ecumenical council nora, is it lawful to appeal from the judgments 769 01:20:02,640 --> 01:20:06,840 of the Roman pontiffs to a council. Councils are not above the popes. 770 01:20:08,479 --> 01:20:13,000 So Roman premacy, which the Roman pontiff possesses as a successor of Peter and 771 01:20:13,079 --> 01:20:15,439 the Prince of the Apostles, includes also the supreme power of this teaching of 772 01:20:15,520 --> 01:20:21,760 teaching. Holy See has always maintained this. The constant custom of the Church 773 01:20:23,640 --> 01:20:27,199 demonstrates it in the ecumenical councils, particularly those in the East and the West, 774 01:20:27,680 --> 01:20:30,439 which met in the unit of faith and declared it. So anyway, 775 01:20:33,039 --> 01:20:36,000 you get the point there, which and then it goes on to quote things 776 01:20:36,039 --> 01:20:40,000 like Florence, which obviously we don't accept. But the point there was just 777 01:20:40,119 --> 01:20:45,319 distress that the doctrine is really clear, and it's even clear in the things 778 01:20:45,359 --> 01:20:48,960 that are abridged that you can't pick and choose. Now that right there, 779 01:20:49,000 --> 01:20:53,439 IFU it's ninety percent of what they do, right. But another thing I 780 01:20:53,560 --> 01:20:56,920 want to point out to these people, which a lot of them are not 781 01:20:57,199 --> 01:21:03,920 aware of, which we have talked about many times, is the ordinary magisterium. 782 01:21:05,319 --> 01:21:09,640 So if you go to the Papaloncyclicals dot net chapter three on faith, 783 01:21:09,760 --> 01:21:15,279 the Full Vatican one says, by divine, Catholic and faith all those things 784 01:21:15,279 --> 01:21:16,600 would believe what you are contained in the Word of God found a scripture and 785 01:21:16,600 --> 01:21:20,960 tradition which are proposed by the Church matters be believably as divinely revealed, whether 786 01:21:21,079 --> 01:21:27,800 by solid judgment or ordinary universal magistrate. So you're bound to not just Sex 787 01:21:27,880 --> 01:21:39,840 Cathedral, but also universal ordinary teaching. And that's I'm gonna put that in 788 01:21:39,960 --> 01:21:56,159 the chat for you guys here. So the point of all this again is 789 01:21:56,239 --> 01:21:59,880 just to say that there's no such thing as Catholicism without the guy in Rome. 790 01:22:00,960 --> 01:22:08,520 You gotta be with Francis or it's no thing. Right. So there 791 01:22:08,680 --> 01:22:12,079 is the Papal and Cyclicals for you, which is the full text a Vatican 792 01:22:12,159 --> 01:22:16,399 one and not their bridge text. The bridge text is at EWTN. But 793 01:22:16,560 --> 01:22:20,680 even the a bridge text says the very things that I've been hammering over and 794 01:22:20,760 --> 01:22:28,119 over. And if you look over here is the one Peter five theologian who 795 01:22:29,239 --> 01:22:34,800 summarizes this point for you. I'll put that article as well if you want 796 01:22:34,960 --> 01:22:43,039 a summary article getting at this point, here's the definitions, the cheat sheet 797 01:22:43,079 --> 01:22:45,880 that they have. Magisterium, the teaching office of the Pope or the bishops 798 01:22:45,920 --> 01:22:49,800 in union with the Pope. Extraordinary magistrum, non ordinary solemn teaching that is 799 01:22:49,840 --> 01:22:57,399 ecumenical councils and ex cathedral advertisement that's not part of it ordinary magistrum, part 800 01:22:57,439 --> 01:23:01,520 of the regular teaching duties, universal magisty taught by the entire church. Thus 801 01:23:02,239 --> 01:23:10,079 you are not only bound. Remember what the EWTN abridged summary said. You're 802 01:23:10,159 --> 01:23:15,800 not only bound by the the extraordinary teaching. You're also bound by the universal 803 01:23:15,880 --> 01:23:24,279 magisterial teaching, which is ordinary. And you are bound with docility to submit 804 01:23:24,359 --> 01:23:30,800 to the ordinary magisterium. That's not universal. And then it goes on to 805 01:23:30,840 --> 01:23:33,600 say that infallible are the things that are irreformable, non infallible things that are 806 01:23:33,640 --> 01:23:39,560 reformable. So even if, for example, I don't I mean whether this 807 01:23:39,720 --> 01:23:45,119 is the case or not, if a pope, for example, theoretically say, 808 01:23:45,279 --> 01:23:50,439 reversed an excommunication, even if you believe the ex communication is wrong, 809 01:23:51,039 --> 01:23:57,399 you don't have the right and the authority to reject the ex communication. That's 810 01:23:57,439 --> 01:24:00,159 the point I'm getting out here, because it not as you saw. It 811 01:24:00,239 --> 01:24:09,560 says you're bound to submit to the disciplinary decisions as well. Now over here 812 01:24:09,760 --> 01:24:23,640 on, that's not what I'm looking for. In Denzinger fifteen seventy eight, 813 01:24:25,920 --> 01:24:32,359 can a Roman Catholic reject rights that he doesn't like or that he thinks needs 814 01:24:32,399 --> 01:24:35,640 to be reformed? Do you have the right as a Roman Catholic to criticize 815 01:24:36,279 --> 01:24:42,199 the liturgy that's approved by Rome? Well, if you read that right there, 816 01:24:42,560 --> 01:24:45,279 you will see that you cannot. I'm not going to read the whole 817 01:24:45,319 --> 01:24:47,399 paragraph. You can read it. Some of you guys are like super lazy, 818 01:24:47,479 --> 01:24:51,399 but the spirit of God could In other words, it's condemning this position 819 01:24:53,159 --> 01:24:58,199 that the Spirit of God could have established disciplines which are not only useless in 820 01:24:58,239 --> 01:25:01,800 burdensome for Christian liberty to endure, which are even dangerous and harmful, leading 821 01:25:01,880 --> 01:25:06,560 to superstition and materialism. These are false, rash, scandalous, dangerous, 822 01:25:06,560 --> 01:25:11,840 and offensive to pious eers, injurious to the Church and to the Spirit of 823 01:25:11,880 --> 01:25:15,079 God by whom it is guided. And this is because some of the Jansenists 824 01:25:15,079 --> 01:25:24,359 were saying Janseness were arguing that the Church could Rome could give defective sacraments and 825 01:25:24,720 --> 01:25:30,000 that they needed to be reformed. Rome cannot give defective sacraments to the Church, 826 01:25:30,079 --> 01:25:34,840 according to Octorum Fide fifteen seventy eight. And yet a gigantic portion of 827 01:25:34,840 --> 01:25:39,800 the Roman Catholic world in the Triads, believes that the Vatican Two sacraments, 828 01:25:40,359 --> 01:25:43,840 if they're not even invalid according to the set of contests, they're at least 829 01:25:44,359 --> 01:25:48,520 defective and problematic. And that and that Rome has promoted the very things that 830 01:25:48,680 --> 01:25:57,880 this document says cannot happen. Now, next, I want to play just 831 01:25:57,960 --> 01:26:00,760 a little clip here again of David's video that really drives us home. Before 832 01:26:00,760 --> 01:26:06,760 we get to the what the acumen called canons themselves say so, let's watch 833 01:26:06,880 --> 01:26:14,840 David's video and remind ourselves of what is going on in terms of Eastern Catholicism 834 01:26:15,960 --> 01:26:18,600 and why this is a problem. And I'm gonna play the whole video. 835 01:26:18,600 --> 01:26:23,800 I don't think David will care. I'm gonna link his video as well, 836 01:26:23,960 --> 01:26:27,960 so I'll be sure and go over here and support David if you don't, 837 01:26:28,000 --> 01:26:31,680 because this is a great video and it bears repeating because of course the Loften 838 01:26:31,760 --> 01:26:40,560 Reasona theology circles are Eastern Catholics. So let's listen to this. We'll say 839 01:26:40,600 --> 01:26:43,960 we'll be Eastern Orthos because of this, this and that. And a Roman 840 01:26:44,000 --> 01:26:46,199 Catholic will say, well, that sounds really beautiful, but why are you 841 01:26:46,319 --> 01:26:50,520 not Eastern Catholic? And they think that's a gotcha moment. They think that's 842 01:26:50,640 --> 01:26:57,279 an argument that disproves our position, but actually it disproves the Roman position. 843 01:26:57,520 --> 01:27:01,880 So the Eastern Catholics refuge and this is the video where I will illustrate that. 844 01:27:02,479 --> 01:27:05,199 So before we even go ahead, I will talk to you about, 845 01:27:06,199 --> 01:27:10,399 well, what we're going to be talking about in this video. We're going 846 01:27:10,479 --> 01:27:13,960 to be covering the meaning of Eucharist. This is very important. Actually, 847 01:27:15,479 --> 01:27:18,239 then we are going to look at Eastern right theeology as opposed to Latin right 848 01:27:18,319 --> 01:27:23,800 theology. And then we're going to look at Eastern right saints. Then and 849 01:27:24,000 --> 01:27:29,720 now so the past and the present of Eastern right Saints. So what does 850 01:27:29,800 --> 01:27:32,800 it even mean to commune? It means that you believe the body and blood 851 01:27:32,800 --> 01:27:39,000 of Christ is present in that church. You also believe that that church really 852 01:27:39,119 --> 01:27:44,399 does have the sacraments. Most importantly, communing in a church is an implicit 853 01:27:44,560 --> 01:27:47,880 affirmation that that church preaches true doctrine. So, as an example, you, 854 01:27:48,000 --> 01:27:51,680 as a Roman Catholic, will not commune in a Protestant church. Why 855 01:27:51,960 --> 01:27:57,800 well, because Protestantism is just wrong. It preaches false doctrines. Right, 856 01:27:58,199 --> 01:28:00,159 So when you partake in the Eucharist of a church, basically saying this church 857 01:28:00,319 --> 01:28:05,000 has a correct doctrine, this church preaches truth. Keeping that in mind, 858 01:28:05,920 --> 01:28:11,399 as we all know that the Eastern Catholics and rome are in community with one 859 01:28:11,399 --> 01:28:16,079 another, so this should mean that they haven't unified theology, right, That 860 01:28:16,239 --> 01:28:24,880 is not the case. Actually, there are many theological contradictions between the East 861 01:28:25,279 --> 01:28:30,239 and West. Many Eastern Catholics, particularly today, still hold to orthodox theology. 862 01:28:30,479 --> 01:28:34,359 It will not be wrong to say that the theology is very much the 863 01:28:34,439 --> 01:28:42,399 same as Eastern Orthodox theology, which explicitly shows the irony in modern tradcafs attempting 864 01:28:42,479 --> 01:28:48,760 to refute so called polemism. If this so called polemism in the Roman Catholic 865 01:28:48,880 --> 01:28:55,000 Church today is considered just as valid, just as goddism is or toomism is, 866 01:28:55,640 --> 01:29:00,119 why even argue against it. When Roman Catholics try to argue against to 867 01:29:00,199 --> 01:29:05,720 Doxy, they're actually arguing against their own theology. And this is ultimately ironic. 868 01:29:06,800 --> 01:29:12,399 I have a screenshot here, two screenshot actually the screen shot below, 869 01:29:12,960 --> 01:29:16,880 which is from Light of Life Catechism, which is an Eastern Catholic catechism. 870 01:29:19,039 --> 01:29:24,039 It says that the Eastern Catholics believe that there are only seven ecumenical councils, 871 01:29:24,560 --> 01:29:29,399 and they reject, reject Vatican two as an ecumenical council. And then you 872 01:29:29,479 --> 01:29:32,520 look at Rome and they will say, well, there's naturally there's pinemon Ecumenical 873 01:29:32,560 --> 01:29:36,000 council. If you'r SSPX it will say, well there's twenty ecumenical councils, 874 01:29:36,079 --> 01:29:43,000 right, So you have two conflicting views. You have conflicting views regarding the 875 01:29:43,119 --> 01:29:46,680 essence, energies, distinction, and ADS. There's a screenshot above which is 876 01:29:46,720 --> 01:29:53,439 from the Melchite website which talks about how the light of Mount Tabor was a 877 01:29:53,640 --> 01:30:01,720 manifestation of God's uncreated divine energy, comprehensible by the apostles. So you can 878 01:30:01,800 --> 01:30:06,159 see that they're preaching actually poleenism. So in the East you have essen senergy's 879 01:30:06,199 --> 01:30:12,039 distinction, but in the West ADS is dogmatized. This is why you have 880 01:30:12,239 --> 01:30:15,000 uncreated grace in the Eastern righte theology, and then you have created grace in 881 01:30:15,039 --> 01:30:20,960 the Roman Catholic theology. And so the East teaches doctrines that are contrary to 882 01:30:21,159 --> 01:30:28,720 Western dogma. This is very much similar to purgatory. You will see Eastern 883 01:30:28,840 --> 01:30:36,199 right Catholic churches rejecting the purgatory teaching and also regarding the philiokre, Eastern Catholics 884 01:30:36,399 --> 01:30:42,600 reject the Philiokra. This rejection might not be on a full on dogmatic level 885 01:30:42,680 --> 01:30:46,840 as you will expect, but it's evident in the creed. Eastern Catholic parishes 886 01:30:47,199 --> 01:30:50,640 several of them refuse to recite the Philo in the creed. Now, what 887 01:30:50,800 --> 01:30:57,119 is the creed? The creed is an is a confession of faith. While 888 01:30:57,159 --> 01:31:00,800 you can't, indeed have confessions of faith that emphasis size different parts of the 889 01:31:00,920 --> 01:31:06,520 faith, you cannot have a contradictory confession. So Rome confesses that the Holy 890 01:31:06,560 --> 01:31:11,880 Spirit is hyposthetically processed from the Father and the Son as a single principle, 891 01:31:13,119 --> 01:31:18,880 whereas in the East they completely remove the Son, so they say that the 892 01:31:19,039 --> 01:31:26,079 Holy Spirit proceeds from the Father as a whole principle. So by not reciting 893 01:31:26,159 --> 01:31:32,840 the Philiokre, THECN Catholics are pretty much rejecting the doctrine of Philiokre. Rome 894 01:31:32,880 --> 01:31:38,239 dogmatized closer to be celibate. This is evident in the Denzinger one one nine. 895 01:31:38,760 --> 01:31:41,640 However, now that dogma seems to be ignored. If you're Eastern Catholic. 896 01:31:41,760 --> 01:31:45,399 Now you might say, well, the Eastern Catholic is autocephalous, and 897 01:31:45,720 --> 01:31:48,119 you might have a point there, but it still shows that there's some sort 898 01:31:48,119 --> 01:31:54,000 of disrepancy between the East and the West. Finally, and this will be 899 01:31:54,199 --> 01:31:57,399 a huge claim. This might surprise a lot of you. You could have 900 01:31:57,560 --> 01:32:03,439 Nestorian Christology and be Roman Catholic. Hi. I'm Laura Smith. I'm a 901 01:32:03,520 --> 01:32:10,560 nutritionist and director of program innovation at Delhi. So let's look at the example 902 01:32:10,600 --> 01:32:15,920 of the Sira Malabar and the Chaldean Catholic Church. They have the anaphoras of 903 01:32:15,680 --> 01:32:21,239 ma Adai and Marmari. They have enoughpa of theo Doret of Mapswesti, who 904 01:32:21,319 --> 01:32:26,600 by the way, is the father of Nestorianism. And that's but not least, 905 01:32:27,000 --> 01:32:31,359 they have the an of Nestorius. Now they don't name these uh, 906 01:32:31,880 --> 01:32:39,720 these Nestorian fathers uh. And these nests fathers. Fathers will include theo Doret, 907 01:32:40,000 --> 01:32:45,680 Nestorius, Theodor of Tarsus. But that is actually arguably worse because instead 908 01:32:45,680 --> 01:32:48,880 of naming them, they're referring to them as Greek doctors of the church, 909 01:32:49,039 --> 01:32:56,039 not only fathers, but Greek doctors. So you don't use the ana of 910 01:32:56,119 --> 01:33:00,279 a heretic, use the anopera of a saint. And this show that in 911 01:33:00,359 --> 01:33:04,800 the Cromlabar Church and in the Kaldian Catholic Church, Nestorius is a saint. 912 01:33:05,680 --> 01:33:10,479 So if you look at the status of saints, it is just as confusing 913 01:33:11,159 --> 01:33:15,840 as a theology. Again with Nestorius. Now think of it this way, 914 01:33:15,680 --> 01:33:20,920 So Nestorius is not a saint, but for all this time, for more 915 01:33:20,960 --> 01:33:26,479 than a millennium he was a heretic, and the Council of Ephesus, which 916 01:33:26,520 --> 01:33:31,119 is an ecumenical council that both Rome and East affirms. Now suddenly Council of 917 01:33:31,199 --> 01:33:34,800 Ephesus was wrong in condemning him. He was a saint all along. So 918 01:33:34,960 --> 01:33:40,760 Nestorius was a great pious saints all along, and Ephesus was wrong in condemning 919 01:33:40,800 --> 01:33:45,960 him. This, this is just stupid. Let's look at the Roman destroyers, 920 01:33:45,279 --> 01:33:48,439 and what I mean by Roman destroyers, I will be referring as Saints 921 01:33:48,560 --> 01:33:55,279 Palamas, Saint Mark of Ephicis, Ephesus, and Saint Photius. And we 922 01:33:55,439 --> 01:33:59,920 know that there are saints in the Roman Catholic Church now because the Byzantine Catholic 923 01:34:00,239 --> 01:34:02,600 use the Menaion vi Us, we have the same menions, so we have 924 01:34:02,760 --> 01:34:08,920 the same saints as they have. And so we know that the saints Palamas, 925 01:34:09,039 --> 01:34:12,680 Mark Photius are all saints in the Roman Catholic Church. Let's look at 926 01:34:12,720 --> 01:34:17,960 Saint Palomas. His doctrines are considered very considered heretical, and by a lot 927 01:34:18,000 --> 01:34:25,479 of Roman Catholics today they are still considered heretical. But Candy's anti Palamides, 928 01:34:25,600 --> 01:34:30,119 please explain to me how how Saint Gregria Palamas is a saint now? So 929 01:34:30,439 --> 01:34:35,640 for centuries Rome rejected palam i theology. Rome rejected Saint Gregio Palamas, called 930 01:34:35,680 --> 01:34:42,920 him a heretic, and now he's suddenly a great pious saint. This does 931 01:34:43,000 --> 01:34:46,279 not make any sense. What about Saint Photios? According to the Robert Council 932 01:34:46,319 --> 01:34:54,359 of Constantinople four, which is the council that is affirmed as an ecumenical council 933 01:34:54,399 --> 01:34:58,640 by the Roman Catholics, the council at eight sixty nine. Between eight seventy 934 01:34:58,920 --> 01:35:04,960 Saint Photius was the Saint Photius was condemned that council. That council, I 935 01:35:05,039 --> 01:35:10,000 would like to remind you, is considered as an ecumenical council by Rome, 936 01:35:12,359 --> 01:35:16,760 and Rome rejects the Orthodox Council of Constantinople form that commenced ten years later. 937 01:35:17,079 --> 01:35:25,119 But somehow Saint Photius is now a saint. And let's look at Manuel Fgenigos, 938 01:35:25,560 --> 01:35:31,000 which we will also call Saint Mark of Ephesus. I'm sure everyone knows 939 01:35:31,079 --> 01:35:38,279 of his antics. In the Council of Florence. He basically called the Roman 940 01:35:38,399 --> 01:35:44,039 Catholic Church a heretical church because of the philiocre so the guy that called your 941 01:35:44,159 --> 01:35:48,279 church a heretical church that rejected the union is now a saint inorger in your 942 01:35:48,399 --> 01:35:54,960 church. Again, none of this make any sense. These people should not 943 01:35:55,039 --> 01:35:59,600 be saints in the Roman Catholic Church, yet they are so. So really, 944 01:35:59,680 --> 01:36:03,880 you have three different options here, all right, So let's play a 945 01:36:04,000 --> 01:36:10,199 game called who is right and Who's wrong. Let's look at the three different 946 01:36:10,239 --> 01:36:15,279 options. The first option will be that the Eastern Catholics and the Latin Catholics 947 01:36:15,359 --> 01:36:18,840 are both correct. However, as you can see in this video, that 948 01:36:19,000 --> 01:36:25,479 is impossible because Rome and the Eastern Catholics hold contradictory doctrines. So either one 949 01:36:25,560 --> 01:36:29,720 of them is right and the other is wrong, or neither are just wrong. 950 01:36:29,880 --> 01:36:34,800 Both cannot be correct. Secondly, Rome is correct and the Eastern Catholics 951 01:36:34,920 --> 01:36:40,319 have false doctrines. If that is the case, the buyer in communion with 952 01:36:40,399 --> 01:36:45,640 those that hold false doctrines, that still disproves your position. Third Rome is 953 01:36:45,720 --> 01:36:50,000 actually wrong and that the Eastern Catholics are right, And we will say, 954 01:36:50,079 --> 01:36:54,199 yes, that is actually kind of correct. But then what is the point 955 01:36:54,239 --> 01:36:58,520 of being in communion with Rome by you again buying communion with those that hold 956 01:36:58,840 --> 01:37:01,600 false doctrines. And now you might say, well, because of papacy. 957 01:37:01,920 --> 01:37:05,760 We believe in papal supremacy. We believe that the pope is infallible. If 958 01:37:05,800 --> 01:37:11,079 the pope is truly infallible, then you won't be saying that the doctrines are 959 01:37:11,119 --> 01:37:15,399 wrong, because the pope will never hold a wrong doctrine under papal supremacy. 960 01:37:15,079 --> 01:37:20,600 Yet you are here telling me that Rome is wrong. So what's the option, 961 01:37:20,760 --> 01:37:24,359 Well, you can just be Orthodox instead, right, you can just 962 01:37:24,439 --> 01:37:29,279 be Orthodox instead. And this goes to Roman Catholics themselves too. You can 963 01:37:29,359 --> 01:37:32,479 also just be a You can just be an Orthodox instead, because it shows 964 01:37:32,600 --> 01:37:39,800 evidently that your church holds contradictory doctrines and accepts those that hold heretical views. 965 01:37:42,720 --> 01:37:46,600 Numerous church fathers and scripture tells us to stay away from heretics and their doctrines. 966 01:37:47,199 --> 01:37:54,119 We see in Scripture to John eleven anyone who welcomes a heretic, anyone 967 01:37:54,159 --> 01:38:00,760 who welcomes him shares his work. We see in Rome that they welcome heretical 968 01:38:00,680 --> 01:38:08,960 doctrines in deirview. Of course, Saint pauland his Epistle to Romans in sixteen 969 01:38:09,079 --> 01:38:15,920 seventeen tells us to separate ourselves from those who hold heretical doctrines. Saint Polycarpus 970 01:38:15,000 --> 01:38:19,439 recites a story of Saint John where he flees from a bath house because a 971 01:38:19,520 --> 01:38:25,800 heretic was in that bath house. So not only does Saint John take that 972 01:38:25,960 --> 01:38:30,600 being in community with a heretic is scandalous, being in the same location with 973 01:38:30,680 --> 01:38:35,520 a heretic to him was scandalous. So we can see in the Roman Catholic 974 01:38:35,640 --> 01:38:43,119 Church they hold the opposite approach. What they're really doing is akin to telling 975 01:38:43,239 --> 01:38:46,359 Areas that he can still have his own Aryan right church and being communi with 976 01:38:46,520 --> 01:38:51,279 Rome. Imagine telling the stories after condemning him in Ephesus that he can just 977 01:38:51,399 --> 01:38:58,319 reject Ephesus go form his own Nestorian right church and then being communed with Rome. 978 01:38:58,600 --> 01:39:01,600 This is utterly absurd. It does not make any sense, and this 979 01:39:01,880 --> 01:39:10,479 illustrates that the Roman Catholic Church is absurd. And so to recap Eastern Catholics 980 01:39:10,600 --> 01:39:15,000 prove Rome Rome, and by extension, they prove Us right because both churches 981 01:39:15,039 --> 01:39:23,279 all contradictory doctrine. Rome is also in communion with Historian churches. People that 982 01:39:23,479 --> 01:39:28,720 both the Orthodox and the Catholic will agree are heretical Eastern Catholicism tries to hold 983 01:39:28,800 --> 01:39:33,840 a middle position between Catholicism and Orthodoxy. The turd Newton eparch Bishop John says 984 01:39:33,880 --> 01:39:40,199 in his website that you can attend Antiochian Orthodox religious services and pray with them, 985 01:39:40,920 --> 01:39:44,399 basically telling you to pray with those that are outside Roman Catholic Church, 986 01:39:44,760 --> 01:39:49,199 telling you that you can pray with heretics. This contradictory nature of what Rome 987 01:39:49,319 --> 01:39:56,960 has become today shows that the Roman Church proves that Orthodoxy is correct. Exactly 988 01:39:57,560 --> 01:40:03,960 now, in order to let me turn the volume back up here, in 989 01:40:04,119 --> 01:40:10,079 order to keep the length of this video down not to three four hours, 990 01:40:10,199 --> 01:40:14,640 what I'm gonna do instead is a livestream tomorrow that will be the part two 991 01:40:14,720 --> 01:40:19,960 of this And instead of making it a part two that is for subscribers only, 992 01:40:20,039 --> 01:40:25,880 it's gonna be public for a little while and will then also be later 993 01:40:26,840 --> 01:40:30,880 made for subscribers only. So the stream that I do this Part two tomorrow 994 01:40:30,079 --> 01:40:35,319 again is going to be dealing with, one by one the canons and how 995 01:40:35,359 --> 01:40:40,840 the canons of each of the seven councils runs. Contrary to what we've seen 996 01:40:40,920 --> 01:40:45,399 so far in Vatican One, We're gonna look at other theologians like ought, 997 01:40:45,159 --> 01:40:48,960 and we're gonna look at some of the classical proof texts and the scriptures that 998 01:40:49,079 --> 01:40:53,600 are used to bolster this case. And we're gonna look at some of the 999 01:40:53,800 --> 01:40:59,399 revisionist examples, like David had said, from people like Saint Gregory Palamas who 1000 01:41:00,119 --> 01:41:05,079 wrote entire treatises calling the Philioque satanic, and then of course from many centuries 1001 01:41:05,159 --> 01:41:11,119 being considered heterodox, and then of course nowadays in Rome he's not so. 1002 01:41:11,199 --> 01:41:15,159 The mere fact that you can be a heretic for centuries and then have the 1003 01:41:15,359 --> 01:41:19,600 status revised, which is David's whole point here in this video shows that it's 1004 01:41:19,680 --> 01:41:25,840 not a monolithic, singular, consistent faith, which is what it claims to 1005 01:41:25,920 --> 01:41:30,880 be. It constantly evolves and revises itself and changes its positions, and it 1006 01:41:30,960 --> 01:41:34,800 does that to bolster whatever the argument is at the time. Now, remember 1007 01:41:35,039 --> 01:41:41,319 how contrary is what you just saw with this attitude towards the Uniates to what 1008 01:41:41,439 --> 01:41:45,239 we just read in Vatican one. Does Vatican one make it sound like that 1009 01:41:45,920 --> 01:41:51,239 Vatican one is optional? Do you have the right to pick and choose doctrines 1010 01:41:51,279 --> 01:41:58,359 and saints if you're a Uni eight? Of course not And yet the whole 1011 01:41:58,359 --> 01:42:01,119 thing is premised on revision I mean, you had Jimmy Aiken the other day 1012 01:42:01,199 --> 01:42:05,640 saying that in his video, maybe he slipped up, but he said Nestorius 1013 01:42:05,760 --> 01:42:12,560 and Arius were actually died Orthodox right. I played that video, and so 1014 01:42:12,680 --> 01:42:15,039 here we go. I mean, this is just the circus of the pop 1015 01:42:15,119 --> 01:42:19,800 apologist, right is. It's all built on revisionism. And this alone, 1016 01:42:19,840 --> 01:42:24,920 if you grasp this point about the Eastern Catholics, you understand that Roman Catholicism 1017 01:42:25,039 --> 01:42:29,479 is not about a unified faith because you don't have to have a unified faith. 1018 01:42:29,520 --> 01:42:32,880 In fact, you are permitted to have a disunified faith. The only 1019 01:42:33,000 --> 01:42:36,640 thing that you have to have faith in is the papacy. You can believe 1020 01:42:36,760 --> 01:42:43,039 almost anything you want nowadays under Francis, as long as you accept the doctrine 1021 01:42:43,039 --> 01:42:48,600 of the papacy, and that itself is one of the best proofs that Vatican 1022 01:42:48,720 --> 01:42:55,279 One and the Papacy refute one another. They're self refuting. So tomorrow, 1023 01:42:55,800 --> 01:42:58,840 probably in the evening, we will have part two. I'll go through each 1024 01:42:58,880 --> 01:43:01,560 of the cannons and hopefully this will be a good starting point for a lot 1025 01:43:01,600 --> 01:43:05,319 of the trads. All the Roman Catholics that you know, have been asking 1026 01:43:05,359 --> 01:43:11,439 me a lot of questions in the last week, all over in multiple formats, 1027 01:43:11,560 --> 01:43:15,039 multiple apps and whatnot. So yeah, so tomorrow night we'll do part 1028 01:43:15,079 --> 01:43:17,920 two, and then that Part two will not be public forever, so that 1029 01:43:17,960 --> 01:43:25,279 will be only for subscribers. But because I do want to have this public 1030 01:43:25,359 --> 01:43:29,239 for a while, I want people to see this, especially mainly the trads 1031 01:43:29,479 --> 01:43:31,159 that are the Roman Catholics that have been asking us questions, that are most 1032 01:43:31,239 --> 01:43:34,560 interested in this topic, so they, you know, I want them to 1033 01:43:34,600 --> 01:43:39,319 have access to it. And then probably after a few days it will be 1034 01:43:39,439 --> 01:43:45,560 marked private for subs only. And tomorrow also I will read the superchats that 1035 01:43:45,640 --> 01:43:48,800 went along with this dream and the rest of the super chests that come in 1036 01:43:48,880 --> 01:43:54,039 tomorrow on part two. So everybody have a good night. Hopefully this was 1037 01:43:54,119 --> 01:44:01,079 a more compact, easily digestible topic, and really I want to have the 1038 01:44:01,159 --> 01:44:05,960 two videos separate anyway, So this video focuses on the basic Principle of Vatican 1039 01:44:06,079 --> 01:44:11,239 One, and then the next video will be the basic Principles of the Canons 1040 01:44:11,640 --> 01:44:14,720 of the Seven Councils, and then the two videos together will show