WEBVTT 1 00:00:30.199 --> 00:00:37.119 Hey what hey to the little listener. Hey, it's blurry Photos. I'm 2 00:00:37.200 --> 00:00:45.320 David Flora. I'm David Stacko. What's going on? Uh boo? Great? 3 00:00:46.039 --> 00:00:51.520 Another another falls take one. We're off to the races. Great, 4 00:00:51.600 --> 00:00:54.799 Yeah, this is blurry photos. Welcome, welcome back, if you're coming 5 00:00:54.840 --> 00:00:57.920 back, welcome here if you're if you're coming here, uh and if not, 6 00:00:58.079 --> 00:01:00.920 then to hell with you. So um, that's a pretty much all 7 00:01:02.000 --> 00:01:07.799 welcome with an asterisk. Otherwise to hell. We we gotta, we gotta 8 00:01:07.319 --> 00:01:12.000 a crazy good episode for you. Lined up. We're gonna actually just jump 9 00:01:12.040 --> 00:01:15.920 into this monstrosity. Oh man, Yeah, we have got we we have 10 00:01:17.159 --> 00:01:19.400 we kicked the devil in the shin on this one. That's all right. 11 00:01:19.439 --> 00:01:23.840 We're not messing around at all today. We are bringing you the taxonomy of 12 00:01:23.879 --> 00:01:27.560 ghosts. That's right. What the different varieties of ghosts are? What make 13 00:01:27.680 --> 00:01:33.799 them unique and different? Um, not only in the ghost that we are 14 00:01:33.840 --> 00:01:38.000 familiar with them, We're going global, other countries ghosts, the difference between 15 00:01:38.040 --> 00:01:42.120 ghosts and demons. Yep, we got all that good stuff because because deep 16 00:01:42.239 --> 00:01:47.400 down in your subconscious, that little amygdala of yours is being like, what 17 00:01:47.400 --> 00:01:52.000 what, what's this ghost what's this mean we're suspector why can't I sleep here? 18 00:01:52.000 --> 00:02:00.159 Amygdella sounds like a little bit. Well that's how Mgdola's work. We 19 00:02:00.159 --> 00:02:05.280 have gotten a ton of awesome input from our facebooks. Yeah, we tried 20 00:02:05.400 --> 00:02:07.960 tried something a little different this episode, tried fishing for some information and we 21 00:02:08.120 --> 00:02:12.199 came up huge, huge. This episode brought to you by Kenneth Height. 22 00:02:14.039 --> 00:02:19.919 Yeah, one of your friends. Uh opened up a hornet's nest of information. 23 00:02:20.039 --> 00:02:23.400 He brought the he brought the madness and uh. And I've got some 24 00:02:23.479 --> 00:02:29.360 questions from from some listeners and fans that I think we'll address towards in here 25 00:02:29.360 --> 00:02:32.360 after we get through awesome list So let me let me start out with a 26 00:02:32.560 --> 00:02:37.120 with a quote for you. Oh how about that? This is from not 27 00:02:37.280 --> 00:02:40.719 from your amygdalas, because I've had about all of that I can take moving 28 00:02:40.719 --> 00:02:49.439 on next section. No, this is from a Spanish movie I think it's 29 00:02:49.439 --> 00:02:53.960 Spanish, called The Devil's Backbone, and I just thought it was really cool. 30 00:02:53.000 --> 00:02:57.360 So let me lay this on you. The quote is what is a 31 00:02:57.400 --> 00:03:01.400 ghost? An emotion, a terrible moment condemned to repeat itself over and over, 32 00:03:01.960 --> 00:03:07.439 an instant pain, perhaps something dead which appears at times alive, a 33 00:03:07.599 --> 00:03:14.439 sentiment suspended in time, like a blurry photograph, like an insect trapped in 34 00:03:14.520 --> 00:03:17.680 amber. Pretty neat, hunh, that's really good. And it's got our 35 00:03:17.800 --> 00:03:23.080 name, and yeah, it's got the branding. So let's clarify ghost here 36 00:03:23.520 --> 00:03:28.319 for you guys. A ghost basically is just a manifestation of the of a 37 00:03:28.400 --> 00:03:32.439 spirit of the dead, the soul breaft of a body. Yeah, it's 38 00:03:32.479 --> 00:03:38.120 got. It's got some roots etymologically in the Old English gast, which basically 39 00:03:38.159 --> 00:03:43.879 meant a soul or breath, and the German geist the Germanic geist yep, 40 00:03:43.960 --> 00:03:49.759 which which meant spirit. But people say ghost. They could be talking about 41 00:03:49.840 --> 00:03:55.800 any number of paranormal beings or entities, and normally they actually say giggigg ghost, 42 00:03:57.400 --> 00:04:00.000 but they that's still same thing, still the same thing. Yeah, 43 00:04:00.000 --> 00:04:02.719 it doesn't matter how many time you try to say it before you actually get 44 00:04:02.759 --> 00:04:08.840 it out. I would think of it this way, saying dog, when 45 00:04:08.919 --> 00:04:14.240 you're looking at a golden retriever or you're looking at a Rodweiler or something like 46 00:04:14.280 --> 00:04:17.680 that, you say dog, which it is a dog, but then there 47 00:04:17.680 --> 00:04:21.319 are different breeds of dog. Would you say that that's pretty accurate or yeah, 48 00:04:21.519 --> 00:04:26.680 stupid No, And the similarities don't stop there. Some like a banshee. 49 00:04:26.800 --> 00:04:30.839 Some dogs never shut up. Oh snap, yeah see I could keep 50 00:04:30.879 --> 00:04:33.040 going, but we're not. No time, no time. We gotta get 51 00:04:33.079 --> 00:04:39.319 this train moving. So the question about a ghost, I think boils down 52 00:04:39.319 --> 00:04:42.519 to what causes a ghost to be a ghost? Right? And I mean 53 00:04:42.600 --> 00:04:46.720 there's no hard and fast rule in a lot of this stuff. Ghosts are 54 00:04:46.839 --> 00:04:50.079 an experimental science at best, I think would write absolutely and you know, 55 00:04:50.120 --> 00:04:55.439 and even even that quote kind of has that that initial schism in it of 56 00:04:56.160 --> 00:05:00.639 is is the ghost a functioning soul with thoughts and an agenda or is it 57 00:05:00.720 --> 00:05:03.680 you know? And is it, as some people explain the phenomenal, like 58 00:05:03.759 --> 00:05:08.959 just an electromagnetic anomaly print, yeah, and that that is stuck in a 59 00:05:09.040 --> 00:05:12.600 place, and it is just it's just a record that plays itself over and 60 00:05:12.639 --> 00:05:15.000 over with no will behind it. Right. I think for the purposes of 61 00:05:15.040 --> 00:05:17.800 this evening that we're just going to go with the soul approach because it makes 62 00:05:17.839 --> 00:05:23.480 things more fun it does, it does, and less bad for the ghost, 63 00:05:23.639 --> 00:05:28.000 which that's that's nice and positive, right exactly, So everyone has more 64 00:05:28.120 --> 00:05:32.560 fun if the if the ghost has an agenda, right, some of some 65 00:05:32.600 --> 00:05:36.319 of the questions that have been asked about a ghost, is it is it 66 00:05:36.399 --> 00:05:40.800 something? Is it a soul or a spirit that didn't transition forward, you 67 00:05:40.839 --> 00:05:43.480 know, didn't didn't step into the light or going to the tunnel or whatever. 68 00:05:43.519 --> 00:05:48.160 The thing after the moment of death doesn't have unfinished business? Is that? 69 00:05:48.279 --> 00:05:51.639 What's you know? Is it? Is it willingly staying in this plane 70 00:05:51.639 --> 00:05:56.519 of reality even though it doesn't exist on this plane of reality in a body 71 00:05:56.600 --> 00:05:58.959 in a course? Right? Yeah? That that decision that that is it? 72 00:05:59.120 --> 00:06:02.040 Is it something? Is the ghost a further victim after dying, after 73 00:06:02.160 --> 00:06:08.680 dying? Is it trapped or is it willing willingly staying around to complete whatever 74 00:06:08.720 --> 00:06:12.000 it wants to do? Or as you mentioned earlier, did an imprint that's 75 00:06:12.040 --> 00:06:17.439 caused by maybe extreme emotion or a trauma or something, and it's it's so 76 00:06:18.360 --> 00:06:27.680 extreme that it literally imprints itself electromagnetically maybe on that particular moment location, you 77 00:06:27.720 --> 00:06:31.480 know, something that that causes it to replay the same thing over and over, 78 00:06:31.639 --> 00:06:35.560 which which isn't that far afection? Ninety? Yeah? I mean the 79 00:06:35.600 --> 00:06:41.839 living do that. People go through a traumatic event and they stay there Yeah, 80 00:06:41.560 --> 00:06:45.480 they stay there emotionally and mentally. I mean, like in most of 81 00:06:45.519 --> 00:06:47.759 the time it's hilarious, like Uncle Rico, you know, it's he's still 82 00:06:47.759 --> 00:06:53.360 wearing like his nineteen eighty three shirts and stuff. People find those times in 83 00:06:53.399 --> 00:06:57.480 their lives that they either like a lot or terrible and they just get stuck 84 00:06:57.519 --> 00:07:00.519 there. So I guess it's it's entirely plausible little that death does not stop 85 00:07:00.560 --> 00:07:03.920 such a thing. It's it's true. And that's the same thing with you. 86 00:07:03.920 --> 00:07:08.240 You've heard of people falling in love when they've experienced a traumatic event together. 87 00:07:08.680 --> 00:07:12.399 You know that two people find I guess solace in each other, but 88 00:07:12.519 --> 00:07:15.959 it leaves an imprint on them enough to where only love can You know, 89 00:07:16.040 --> 00:07:20.199 I agree with you. I felt like speed was the love story of the 90 00:07:20.279 --> 00:07:30.959 nineties. It's the screw the nineties. It crossed the millennium. So, 91 00:07:30.279 --> 00:07:34.480 because this isn't such a specific science, it's gonna be hard not to sound 92 00:07:34.480 --> 00:07:39.959 like a raging jackass through this whole thing. Let's not worry about that. 93 00:07:40.000 --> 00:07:48.199 We haven't until now, you haven't until it. So what I've done is 94 00:07:48.439 --> 00:07:54.759 from the research from looking into this stuff, I've basically boiled down three kinds 95 00:07:54.759 --> 00:08:00.360 of classifications of ghosts, or maybe three categories that we could put each example 96 00:08:00.839 --> 00:08:05.079 of this ghost type into. Now, these aren't, like I said, 97 00:08:05.600 --> 00:08:09.360 hardened Fast that this is how it is. This is how you know what 98 00:08:09.240 --> 00:08:13.759 the world at large or paranormal experts say it is. There's a lot of 99 00:08:13.199 --> 00:08:18.680 different opinions and beliefs in the paranormal science of it. Yeah, and when 100 00:08:18.720 --> 00:08:22.279 those people get their podcasts, they can do it how they want. It's 101 00:08:22.319 --> 00:08:26.519 true. I bet there's a bunch of those out there. Yeah, exactly, 102 00:08:26.600 --> 00:08:31.240 we're about to get our asses kicked. Ernie and Treyvon remember me. 103 00:08:35.080 --> 00:08:41.200 So the classifications that I kind of cobbled together were Number one, intelligent ghosts. 104 00:08:41.720 --> 00:08:46.000 These are ghosts that can communicate with you or that they can interact with 105 00:08:46.039 --> 00:08:50.480 their environment. They can be good or evil. I guess most of these 106 00:08:50.799 --> 00:08:54.519 ghosts can be good or evil. And right, it's not really a thing, 107 00:08:54.559 --> 00:08:58.360 but that's intelligent. So an example there would be like your Swayzy ghost 108 00:08:58.480 --> 00:09:01.840 from the movie of the same name. Oh yeah, Swazie, I'm gonna 109 00:09:01.840 --> 00:09:05.440 get I'm gonna come up with an example of every ghost you mentioned. This 110 00:09:05.480 --> 00:09:07.240 is that's gonna be my job. This is great, I'll help you with 111 00:09:07.279 --> 00:09:13.080 a couple of them, but not all of them. A residual category would 112 00:09:13.080 --> 00:09:16.600 be number two. Residual means that it's it's a scene or an image that's 113 00:09:16.639 --> 00:09:20.840 played out over and over like a film loop, like we were saying Earth 114 00:09:20.960 --> 00:09:24.120 right, right, I think, I guess I'd say traditionally, residual ghost 115 00:09:24.200 --> 00:09:30.399 pays no attention to the observer and makes no real It does not regard it's 116 00:09:30.600 --> 00:09:33.919 surroundings. Yeah, it's it doesn't pay attention and it doesn't Yeah, it 117 00:09:33.919 --> 00:09:37.440 doesn't have any regard for for anything that's round it, So it may not 118 00:09:37.480 --> 00:09:41.840 even know that it's being observed, if it has any thought to know at 119 00:09:41.879 --> 00:09:46.600 all. So good example, that's your your classic free floating full torso vaporous 120 00:09:46.600 --> 00:09:52.000 apparition um from Ghostbusters the librarian. Well but oh but she does know to 121 00:09:52.080 --> 00:09:56.879 someone. Yeah she yeah, she turns turns up the heat on them. 122 00:09:58.039 --> 00:10:01.919 Damn it. Good try that. Yeah, this would be well, I 123 00:10:01.919 --> 00:10:05.480 mean, well, well we'll get into we'll get into examples, you know, 124 00:10:05.559 --> 00:10:09.120 more specifically here in a minute. But think of your flying Dutchman. 125 00:10:09.279 --> 00:10:13.039 Yeah, you're you're flying dutch the ship the ghost chip. I'll think about 126 00:10:13.080 --> 00:10:18.919 my flying Dutchman. It is the ghost chip that that's doomed to sail, 127 00:10:18.200 --> 00:10:22.919 you know, the mists of the sea, and it just basically if if 128 00:10:22.919 --> 00:10:26.559 you see a Dutchman, it's it's it's bad luck. It's a bad omen 129 00:10:26.879 --> 00:10:31.039 But it could sail just right through you and your ship whatever. You know, 130 00:10:31.080 --> 00:10:33.440 if you're if you're on if you're standing there looking at it, it 131 00:10:33.440 --> 00:10:35.879 could go right through you. It could pass you. It makes no effort 132 00:10:35.919 --> 00:10:39.320 to interact with you at all. Yeah, ghost Train, Ghostbusters too, 133 00:10:39.360 --> 00:10:45.000 ghost Train, that was sure. And the third the third type I've got 134 00:10:45.240 --> 00:10:48.799 is in this one, I took some liberties with an energy manifestation. This 135 00:10:50.279 --> 00:10:54.879 it's a basically what it is, a physical manifestation of spirit or a positive 136 00:10:54.919 --> 00:10:58.279 or negative energy. You know what, though, I you've got the like, 137 00:10:58.360 --> 00:11:00.919 I don't know if that count's face on, but I think that totally 138 00:11:00.919 --> 00:11:05.159 counts. I think that's a huge amount of people's interactions with spirits or ghosts. 139 00:11:05.159 --> 00:11:09.279 It's a non specific it's a really sharp feeling and sometimes you know, 140 00:11:09.320 --> 00:11:11.600 like I love watching those shows that are on all through the month of October, 141 00:11:11.639 --> 00:11:16.919 like on Discovery Channel about this this non specific just blur that moves through 142 00:11:16.919 --> 00:11:20.440 a room, you know, or that those feelings of cold and dread that 143 00:11:20.600 --> 00:11:24.480 move over people. Yeah, I think that's a completely legitimate category. So 144 00:11:24.720 --> 00:11:28.120 I think I think you nailed it. Cool. Well, we'll see, 145 00:11:28.320 --> 00:11:31.799 we'll see if the ones I put in there hold up. So let's let's 146 00:11:31.799 --> 00:11:35.480 go on and get into types of types of ghosts here. Yeah. Well 147 00:11:35.840 --> 00:11:37.960 we'll explain them a little bit and then we'll well we'll categorize them. Yeah, 148 00:11:39.000 --> 00:11:41.320 let's let's work through this. Yeah. Number one, I've got here 149 00:11:41.399 --> 00:11:46.559 an apparition. Okay, you've heard that, right. This is this is 150 00:11:46.600 --> 00:11:50.679 your your most common I think ghost type the series, your entry level ghosts. 151 00:11:50.759 --> 00:11:54.399 People. You don't have a big budget, you don't you don't know 152 00:11:54.440 --> 00:11:56.559 what you want to do. Just this is the get the working back. 153 00:11:56.559 --> 00:12:01.000 This is when you start your your game with where you get the upgrades exactly. 154 00:12:01.720 --> 00:12:07.519 Uh. Usually this one is classified as residual. I would say you'll 155 00:12:07.559 --> 00:12:11.919 see apparitions in in normal actions. This this is the loop that's played out 156 00:12:11.960 --> 00:12:16.240 there. They're doing the stuff that they you know, did in their life. 157 00:12:16.279 --> 00:12:20.440 It usually doesn't interact with with people, and apparations can be broken down 158 00:12:20.440 --> 00:12:24.120 even more into you know, subcategories of apparations of which I won't do. 159 00:12:24.399 --> 00:12:30.159 But this is this is your flying Dutchman or maybe a battle that that took 160 00:12:30.200 --> 00:12:35.639 place here, like the distinct cries or something on a foggy night, or 161 00:12:35.879 --> 00:12:39.519 could be Yeah, yeah, I'm just making things up over here. That's 162 00:12:39.559 --> 00:12:43.720 fine. Um, you go to Gettysburg on a on a hot summer's night 163 00:12:45.000 --> 00:12:50.639 and you see you see the you know people people fighting forms. Uh, 164 00:12:52.120 --> 00:12:58.279 usually pretty transparent, but they're they're definitely they definitely have human features and look 165 00:12:58.360 --> 00:13:01.080 like you know, if you knew any of them, they would probably be 166 00:13:01.360 --> 00:13:05.759 familiar with you. But these they're usually ghost of of you know, long 167 00:13:05.840 --> 00:13:09.879 dead people or things that happened kind of like your your your your old mansion 168 00:13:11.000 --> 00:13:13.519 or hotel. Ghost that someone sees just kind of makes its way down the 169 00:13:13.559 --> 00:13:18.320 hallway and then it's gone again. Yeah, so the brown Lady of random 170 00:13:18.360 --> 00:13:20.120 hall Is is one of them. That's a good yeah. Cool. Next 171 00:13:20.240 --> 00:13:24.360 up, we got phantom a lot of stuff that you're gonna find when you 172 00:13:24.399 --> 00:13:28.240 try to look up this stuff. Lists, ghost apparition, phantom specter, 173 00:13:28.399 --> 00:13:33.279 they're all it just groups them all together, but there's there's a little difference 174 00:13:33.279 --> 00:13:39.039 in each of them. Phantom comes from the Greek phantasma. It closely resembles 175 00:13:39.120 --> 00:13:43.759 the living and is often mistaken for the living until they like walk through a 176 00:13:43.799 --> 00:13:48.279 wall or just straight up disappear until the cool giveaway scene. Right, this 177 00:13:48.360 --> 00:13:52.600 is all based on movies. Why Why is everything I think about ghost based 178 00:13:52.679 --> 00:13:54.639 on movies? Because that's that's how it's been done. Because I'm an literate. 179 00:13:56.080 --> 00:14:03.039 These ghosts I think can fall under are both residual and intelligent because they 180 00:14:03.120 --> 00:14:09.120 interact, they communicate, but they're usually from a tragic event or or a 181 00:14:09.200 --> 00:14:13.159 person that you know had trauma at the time of death, something like that. 182 00:14:13.279 --> 00:14:16.759 So there's that residual Yeah, exactly. Even the ghost might not be 183 00:14:16.799 --> 00:14:20.440 aware that it is residual. It's interacting with you. Like I said, 184 00:14:20.440 --> 00:14:22.840 like the example, I keep hearing that I know a lot about it, 185 00:14:22.960 --> 00:14:28.399 things like old mansions or hotels, and you you have like the butler or 186 00:14:28.799 --> 00:14:31.919 the cleaning person who's who comes through and they they're just doing their business and 187 00:14:31.960 --> 00:14:35.279 maybe even like you said, interacting with you and you're not even instantly aware, 188 00:14:35.320 --> 00:14:39.519 but you hear those stories, like at first it didn't connect that they're 189 00:14:39.559 --> 00:14:41.919 wearing very old clothes. You know, like the style was just kind of 190 00:14:41.919 --> 00:14:46.039 weirdly old and formal or something like that. Yeah, you know, those 191 00:14:46.120 --> 00:14:48.679 kind of interactions that you hear stories about. Yeah, or maybe there's something 192 00:14:48.720 --> 00:14:52.919 that that's not quite right. You can't can't put your finger on it until 193 00:14:52.039 --> 00:14:54.480 like they leave the room, and then you you're like, oh, wait, 194 00:14:54.519 --> 00:14:56.279 I forgot to tell you this. And then you go in the hall 195 00:14:56.279 --> 00:15:00.679 and they're not there, right, and there's no way they could of gotten 196 00:15:00.720 --> 00:15:05.440 down the hall, Yeah, exactly. Another and another example of a phantom 197 00:15:05.600 --> 00:15:09.480 would be a hitchhiker. You know, one of those hitchhikers you pick up 198 00:15:09.480 --> 00:15:13.039 in the middle of the night and it's like some girl who's drenched in rain, 199 00:15:13.240 --> 00:15:15.960 you know, from the rain and stuff. She's like, I just 200 00:15:16.000 --> 00:15:18.200 need to get home. It's two miles down the road. And maybe maybe 201 00:15:18.200 --> 00:15:20.639 you sit there, you know, going home, and you try to make 202 00:15:20.960 --> 00:15:24.080 small talk, but she doesn't say a word, and it's just kind of 203 00:15:24.120 --> 00:15:26.399 like, Okay, this is it's kind of weird, but you know, 204 00:15:26.480 --> 00:15:30.320 I'm doing a good deed here. And then you pull up to their house 205 00:15:30.360 --> 00:15:33.799 and you turn you're like, is this the one you turn back and she's 206 00:15:33.919 --> 00:15:39.480 gone, yeah, now here's here's a movie example. You're ready Large Marge 207 00:15:39.639 --> 00:15:43.600 Peewee's Big Adventure, although she was deliberately trying to scare the crap out of 208 00:15:43.679 --> 00:15:54.639 Pere Large Mark awesome. So then we got specter. A specter believed to 209 00:15:54.679 --> 00:16:00.279 be the etheric remnants of a person after death. So this is this is 210 00:16:00.480 --> 00:16:03.559 uh, it may sound a little, you know, like we're repeating a 211 00:16:03.600 --> 00:16:07.879 little bit, but I feel, yeah, there's gonna be some repetition. 212 00:16:07.960 --> 00:16:11.159 But this is also like a color scale, as you're going from the completely 213 00:16:11.480 --> 00:16:17.440 oblivious to us to the more and more willing to interact or otherwise yeah with 214 00:16:17.559 --> 00:16:18.440 us, right right, you know, And there is yeah, there's a 215 00:16:18.440 --> 00:16:22.120 little gradients. So yeah, that makes sense. Cool, And this was 216 00:16:22.240 --> 00:16:26.159 a specter. I think usually a darker, shadowy form of the person tends 217 00:16:26.200 --> 00:16:32.519 to be scary or a bit scarier, you know, but but not typically 218 00:16:32.639 --> 00:16:37.720 dangerous to the living. So I would say this one would would be a 219 00:16:37.799 --> 00:16:41.759 residual. Yeah, in the residual category. And I'm not sure I get 220 00:16:41.799 --> 00:16:47.360 the I get the idea that they maybe fade after a while. They you 221 00:16:47.399 --> 00:16:51.039 know it, it's right after right after death. You you you'll see a 222 00:16:51.080 --> 00:16:53.639 specter and then maybe you know, in a week or two you stop, 223 00:16:55.080 --> 00:16:57.000 just let it do its thing for a while. In uh. In D 224 00:16:57.120 --> 00:17:02.720 and D, specters can drain the life and turn turn the limiting inspectors. 225 00:17:03.080 --> 00:17:07.759 Really and that radioto just popped. Yeah, well it's starting to get in 226 00:17:07.839 --> 00:17:12.640 Chili. It's October. No, you know, like D and D, 227 00:17:12.839 --> 00:17:17.160 everything kills you in D and D. Hey, good point. Moving on 228 00:17:17.359 --> 00:17:22.240 from D and D. Seriously, it's like it's like we got our own. 229 00:17:22.759 --> 00:17:26.160 It's our own. Next ghost a poulter Geist. Oh yes, Poltergeist 230 00:17:26.680 --> 00:17:30.319 pretty popular. In fact that a lot of the stuff that I read makes 231 00:17:30.359 --> 00:17:34.480 Poltergeist its own category, which I think it's kind of given a little too 232 00:17:34.559 --> 00:17:38.599 much to the polar geist because it's still a type of ghost. There's not 233 00:17:38.720 --> 00:17:42.920 like different types of poulter Geist per se. I don't think. I just 234 00:17:42.960 --> 00:17:48.359 always saw them as particularly I mean like they're they're characterized by by their interaction 235 00:17:48.400 --> 00:17:52.359 with the physical environment. They ring bells, they break windows, all stuff 236 00:17:52.400 --> 00:17:56.279 around, Yeah, make messes. They're like the rambunctious children. Yeah they're 237 00:17:56.359 --> 00:18:02.920 unseen, but they're really disruptive and destructive into It's German for noisy spirit. 238 00:18:03.200 --> 00:18:08.079 That's what poltergeist means they cause noises, mischief, They can even physically attack 239 00:18:08.240 --> 00:18:14.519 the living in terms of like bites, bruises, pull pulling on on stuff. 240 00:18:14.640 --> 00:18:17.839 The funny thing is, I saw a lot of information that there's a 241 00:18:17.880 --> 00:18:23.440 thought that they may be a manifestation of energy connected with a female adolescent and 242 00:18:23.440 --> 00:18:30.000 and and connected specifically to that to that female. That explains the door slamming 243 00:18:30.519 --> 00:18:34.640 kids these days. So that's yeah, your huh. And then and then 244 00:18:34.680 --> 00:18:37.839 they're like it goes away after they you know, after they get a little 245 00:18:37.839 --> 00:18:41.960 older, not not even much older, like yeah, a month or two. 246 00:18:41.319 --> 00:18:45.200 And that's and that is interesting, I mean because that that draws into 247 00:18:45.240 --> 00:18:48.880 this whole possibility of of like ghosts aging, I mean, you know, 248 00:18:48.920 --> 00:18:53.200 like that or or the whole route of like psychokinesis from humans from living from 249 00:18:53.240 --> 00:18:56.519 living beings. Yeah, I would I would almost say that in that case, 250 00:18:56.559 --> 00:19:02.640 wouldn't that be almost kind of like the rem idea of that energy being 251 00:19:02.680 --> 00:19:07.079 along of you know, rambunctious kids growing out, oh, you know, 252 00:19:07.839 --> 00:19:11.680 having too much of that energy or maybe pent up or something and it releases 253 00:19:11.559 --> 00:19:18.519 psychokinetically. Yeah, So if you take the previous definition of it, I'd 254 00:19:18.519 --> 00:19:22.359 say I would put it in an intelligent in the intelligent category, yeah, 255 00:19:22.480 --> 00:19:25.359 since it kind of knows it's it's messing with people. But if you take 256 00:19:25.400 --> 00:19:30.119 that adolescent young person, then it's an energy manifestation. Yeah, I think 257 00:19:30.119 --> 00:19:33.960 it's the former. I would be more inclined to believe it's the former because 258 00:19:33.960 --> 00:19:37.200 it's it's interacting, it's doing things. Yeah, yeah, and and not 259 00:19:37.279 --> 00:19:41.920 and always always not helpful things. Yeah. They don't make beds, No, 260 00:19:41.279 --> 00:19:44.920 the sheets are all torn off. Yeah, if they do make a 261 00:19:44.920 --> 00:19:48.400 great cup of coffee though, Next one, I got a shade. Okay. 262 00:19:48.680 --> 00:19:53.640 Now, traditionally a shade is It's Greek for the spirit that resides in 263 00:19:55.119 --> 00:20:02.079 hades. It could also be a negative life force, which makes it malevolent. 264 00:20:02.559 --> 00:20:04.000 Yeah, you'd ever hear of a shade, does not you know, 265 00:20:04.720 --> 00:20:07.799 somewhat like a specter, like those have a connotation. You can even hear 266 00:20:07.880 --> 00:20:11.880 that scale as you list the different kinds of goods from an apparition to a 267 00:20:12.039 --> 00:20:15.519 shade, it's true. Yeah, yeah, now, I mean I mean 268 00:20:15.640 --> 00:20:18.880 shades. I had trouble find and find a good stuff on shades, but 269 00:20:19.480 --> 00:20:26.200 they're one of the oldest known recording of ghosts because of the ancient Greeks believed 270 00:20:26.200 --> 00:20:27.720 in them, and you know, they thought, well you can go to 271 00:20:27.720 --> 00:20:32.960 the underworld and see the shades, or you know, if you're you're a 272 00:20:32.960 --> 00:20:37.039 hero, maybe you can try to bring one back. If you're Orpheus, 273 00:20:37.160 --> 00:20:41.319 yeah, if you are so inclined inclinde. But yeah, there's also the 274 00:20:41.359 --> 00:20:44.400 thought that they could be a kind of a kind of a bad thing, 275 00:20:44.559 --> 00:20:45.400 you know, in a way, like you said, like a specter, 276 00:20:45.519 --> 00:20:49.480 but only maybe this one does mean some ill intent. And I always I 277 00:20:49.519 --> 00:20:53.400 get the impression, and I don't know where this would be corroborated, but 278 00:20:53.480 --> 00:20:59.240 like the shade is usually attached to a person, almost that there's a like 279 00:20:59.279 --> 00:21:03.759 that goes that energy is there for one person, maybe as like revenge or 280 00:21:03.440 --> 00:21:07.519 or just any strong connection that just keeps them around and kind of messing with 281 00:21:07.559 --> 00:21:10.960 things. They can't let that person go for one reason or another. And 282 00:21:11.519 --> 00:21:14.920 I think we see that as we get into these more too. I think 283 00:21:14.920 --> 00:21:18.680 that's a good point for for a lot of these, it's that unfinished business 284 00:21:18.880 --> 00:21:22.240 or a strong connection, Yeah, that that keeps them and almost traps them 285 00:21:22.279 --> 00:21:25.680 in a way. The next one I got is a shadow. Now this 286 00:21:25.880 --> 00:21:32.000 one you stay stay on the horse here with me, dark humanoid forms that 287 00:21:32.400 --> 00:21:36.039 it's it's almost like a black mist, but it's got a humanoid shape. 288 00:21:36.160 --> 00:21:40.440 Now, a lot of people will talk about shadow people, yeah, being 289 00:21:40.640 --> 00:21:44.359 you know, sort of like this. I don't think that in terms of 290 00:21:44.480 --> 00:21:48.200 ghosts, a shadow is a shadow person. I think that's its own podcast 291 00:21:48.279 --> 00:21:51.759 that we should go it is, and I don't think, yeah, I 292 00:21:51.759 --> 00:21:53.559 don't think that they're I agree with you one hundred percent. I think that 293 00:21:53.559 --> 00:22:00.400 those are two very distinct although some sharing some similarities, but just coincidentally very 294 00:22:00.559 --> 00:22:06.000 different entities. Yeah, I mean, shadow for a ghost is probably the 295 00:22:06.039 --> 00:22:11.279 best description of it. Shadow person is a description of it too, although 296 00:22:11.440 --> 00:22:15.440 it's it's going to be a shadow person. Could be an interdimensional being. 297 00:22:15.680 --> 00:22:21.640 It could be getting in the Roman time, reptilian, It could be injured 298 00:22:21.720 --> 00:22:26.279 cold, who knows. It could be a stack of pumpkins. But well, 299 00:22:26.319 --> 00:22:30.720 we will definitely have a shadow personal podcast because those things are creepy as 300 00:22:30.799 --> 00:22:34.839 hill. But for a shadow for a ghost shadow these are usually attached to 301 00:22:34.880 --> 00:22:40.400 a certain location, and these are the things that people wake up in the 302 00:22:40.440 --> 00:22:44.759 middle of the night and they see something standing in the doorway or something is 303 00:22:44.799 --> 00:22:48.519 standing right beside them in the bed just they can tell it's looking at them. 304 00:22:48.519 --> 00:22:52.000 But it's just this form, this black, black form, the thing 305 00:22:52.039 --> 00:22:56.519 that you see, and you've already looked away before you register, and when 306 00:22:56.519 --> 00:23:00.559 you look back, it's gone yeah yeah, or you get this dread. 307 00:23:00.720 --> 00:23:06.759 But I mean obviously because there's a frigging black person shadow that's obviously staring at 308 00:23:06.759 --> 00:23:08.200 you, and it just came out of nowhere, right, and then it, 309 00:23:08.359 --> 00:23:12.559 you know, it walks out of the doorway into the hall to where 310 00:23:12.640 --> 00:23:15.559 you can't see it, and then maybe you get up to be like is 311 00:23:15.599 --> 00:23:18.200 this something I need to call the cops on what is this thing? And 312 00:23:18.240 --> 00:23:23.680 then nothing's there, you know, which is worse. If you see something 313 00:23:23.759 --> 00:23:29.640 walk out out of your bedroom and you decide to pursue it and then it's 314 00:23:29.680 --> 00:23:33.559 not there, that's worse. I know you wouldn't think so, but it 315 00:23:33.640 --> 00:23:37.039 is, Oh I think. So that's like that's like seeing a giant spider 316 00:23:37.119 --> 00:23:38.480 and when you go to get something to kill it and you come back and 317 00:23:38.480 --> 00:23:44.079 then it's gone, it's gone. Bah, worst scenario ever, and you 318 00:23:44.160 --> 00:23:49.000 just know it's it's right, man, it's looking at you. It's plotting. 319 00:23:51.200 --> 00:23:57.160 So there they usually don't communicate. These ghost shadows, they're definitely felt, 320 00:23:57.359 --> 00:24:02.119 but don't communicate. So I think that makes them residual, some kind 321 00:24:02.119 --> 00:24:07.319 of residual energy. And I've heard stories of this might be somebody somebody's living 322 00:24:07.319 --> 00:24:10.440 in a house or an apartment where you know, somebody died of violent death 323 00:24:10.599 --> 00:24:15.240 or was murdered or something, and they'll wake up and something will you know, 324 00:24:15.559 --> 00:24:18.119 and it just happens to be the room they were murdered in, you 325 00:24:18.240 --> 00:24:21.880 know, something like that good Luck, Sleep in the Night special listeners, 326 00:24:22.480 --> 00:24:26.880 Yeah, anything else you got shadow on the shut? No, I mean 327 00:24:26.920 --> 00:24:30.440 it is I agree with you. I think that it is more of a 328 00:24:30.480 --> 00:24:34.920 residual type of entity. You don't ever the interaction is is all. It's 329 00:24:34.960 --> 00:24:38.000 almost as though they want to be seen and then they're out, yeah, 330 00:24:38.039 --> 00:24:41.119 like they're they're they're they're just waiting for you to open your eyes. Yeah, 331 00:24:41.119 --> 00:24:45.440 and then then they leave. You know. That's that's the typical interaction 332 00:24:45.480 --> 00:24:48.359 with a shadow. You don't ever hear about them sticking around or you don't 333 00:24:48.680 --> 00:24:49.960 you know, hip your head back to Luck and they're still there, like 334 00:24:51.039 --> 00:24:55.319 those things you know, yeah and there and none of them do They're like, 335 00:24:55.359 --> 00:24:56.799 oh, crap, yeah, get it. They just kind of want 336 00:24:56.799 --> 00:25:00.440 to be seen and then they move on. Yeah. So oh the next 337 00:25:00.440 --> 00:25:03.200 one, I got a haunt or if you're from the South, a haint 338 00:25:04.720 --> 00:25:15.400 no way, yep. Oh man. It's a spirit that's particularly restless, 339 00:25:15.079 --> 00:25:21.119 and it can it can be scary, but but not always dangerous. These 340 00:25:21.160 --> 00:25:25.839 are usually location oriented as well. These are the type that you know might 341 00:25:26.440 --> 00:25:30.319 inhabit at a house, like like I just said, maybe maybe something violent 342 00:25:30.400 --> 00:25:34.359 happened there or something. But these are the the adverb area of the paranormal 343 00:25:34.400 --> 00:25:38.480 where you get haunts and spooks, you know, like their name is what 344 00:25:38.519 --> 00:25:42.279 they do, yeah, yeah, basically, And and unlike a shadow person, 345 00:25:42.880 --> 00:25:47.680 you can you can usually tell some features of a haunt and then they 346 00:25:47.680 --> 00:25:49.400 can maybe change those features up if they want to, you know, turn 347 00:25:49.480 --> 00:25:52.359 up the gas on the on the scary factor a little bit. And you 348 00:25:52.400 --> 00:25:56.079 know with with with hants, there's also that that blurry line that I mean, 349 00:25:56.119 --> 00:26:00.599 obviously there's the connection to a haunted house. And in a lot of 350 00:26:00.640 --> 00:26:04.799 cases they say there are more than one ghost haunting a particular location, which 351 00:26:04.839 --> 00:26:08.359 is interesting if there's any special thing about the location or just that was a 352 00:26:08.359 --> 00:26:11.759 place where a lot about things happen. Yeah, and you wonder you know 353 00:26:11.839 --> 00:26:15.519 that that changing of their appearance? Is that a changing of appearance? If 354 00:26:15.559 --> 00:26:19.920 you and I are both haunting the same Playboy mansion and then they see you 355 00:26:21.160 --> 00:26:22.359 and then they see me and they think, oh, that must be the 356 00:26:22.400 --> 00:26:26.920 same ghost and changed as appearance. Good point. Yeah, good point. 357 00:26:26.240 --> 00:26:30.000 I look forward to hunting Playboy Mansion as well. You're gonna see some heth 358 00:26:30.039 --> 00:26:33.799 though, I got I've taken it up front before we choose not to cross 359 00:26:33.880 --> 00:26:37.759 over. You're gonna see some hath. Well, you take the good with 360 00:26:37.799 --> 00:26:40.200 the bad when you're dead, I guess. Yeah, although and also I 361 00:26:40.200 --> 00:26:44.440 guess statistically speaking, he'll be a ghost too by then, I think, 362 00:26:44.599 --> 00:26:48.599 if he's not already. Yeah. So these things I think are definitely residuals. 363 00:26:48.960 --> 00:26:52.880 Yeah. But besides the fact they can interact with their environment, I 364 00:26:52.920 --> 00:26:56.920 think, but mostly it's just you see them. They're scary, but they 365 00:26:56.920 --> 00:27:00.240 don't really communicate. I don't know this when tows the line right, I 366 00:27:00.279 --> 00:27:03.240 was gonna say I I was going to disagree with you on the on the 367 00:27:03.319 --> 00:27:07.920 residual, but you're right, it's right on the line. Because there's always 368 00:27:07.960 --> 00:27:12.359 this attempt to infer their agenda. It's never clear that people who are dealing 369 00:27:12.400 --> 00:27:15.720 with a hound are always you know, what do you want from me? 370 00:27:17.000 --> 00:27:21.000 And you know, there's there's attempts to exercise that work for a little while, 371 00:27:21.240 --> 00:27:23.920 or they don't, there's right, or there's attempts to just reach a 372 00:27:23.960 --> 00:27:26.319 middle ground, you know, And there are plenty of people who live in 373 00:27:26.400 --> 00:27:29.599 haunted houses they're like, no, you know, it was spooky for a 374 00:27:29.599 --> 00:27:33.319 while, but he's just just my rambunctious little helper, you know. Like 375 00:27:33.640 --> 00:27:36.480 they're people who reach that and you you're right, like, you don't know 376 00:27:36.880 --> 00:27:38.759 if they just want to be cool with the inhabitants of the house or if 377 00:27:38.759 --> 00:27:41.599 they were just doing what they're doing. Anyway, it is, it is 378 00:27:41.720 --> 00:27:45.680 right on the line. But if I was going to, if I have 379 00:27:45.799 --> 00:27:48.839 to put my vote though, I'd put it into the intelligence side, Okay, 380 00:27:49.000 --> 00:27:52.359 mostly because, like I said earlier in the podcast, it's more fun 381 00:27:52.440 --> 00:27:56.119 that way. Okay, Yeah, yeah, yeah, I see, and 382 00:27:56.640 --> 00:28:03.960 I hain't I haint. Also, it's also morphed kind of into a term 383 00:28:04.000 --> 00:28:10.480 for a raging bitch really yeah, or like a she devil kind of thing. 384 00:28:10.839 --> 00:28:17.319 Your aunt Susan is an I hate y'all. Oh, I can't believe 385 00:28:17.440 --> 00:28:21.559 that Hainte took my boyfriend. You know, stuff like that. That's real. 386 00:28:22.000 --> 00:28:25.680 That's that's what I've read. Oh my god, I love that. 387 00:28:25.880 --> 00:28:30.240 Hain't cool. I'm using that. I am using that. It doesn't sound 388 00:28:30.279 --> 00:28:33.599 that bad. I mean, there are worse things to call next time you 389 00:28:33.720 --> 00:28:37.519 use your blink or your dirty haint. I take that back. That was 390 00:28:37.559 --> 00:28:52.920 pretty terrible. Sounds awful and awesome. Man, look at that hants up 391 00:28:52.920 --> 00:29:00.640 in here, some nasty oh man, leip and save listeners, clip and 392 00:29:00.680 --> 00:29:07.720 save. So then that brings us to Banshee. Yeah. Now, Paint 393 00:29:07.799 --> 00:29:15.759 to Banshee is a short short trip um paint Kevin Bacon Banshee done so. 394 00:29:15.839 --> 00:29:23.799 A banshee is a female spirit in Irish and Scottish folklore whose unearthly whales foretell 395 00:29:25.160 --> 00:29:32.480 of an appending death of certain families family member. They're attached to certain families 396 00:29:32.480 --> 00:29:37.039 in traditionally Ireland. So I guess not not everybody, you know, not, 397 00:29:37.039 --> 00:29:41.200 not anybody could hear a banshee whale. When one whales, it is 398 00:29:41.559 --> 00:29:45.920 literally only that person's family that they can hear. Members of that family can 399 00:29:45.000 --> 00:29:49.440 hear it, and it's it's a terrible screechy, screechy whale. I've heard 400 00:29:49.480 --> 00:29:52.839 that it can, you know, cause your ears to bleed, a contract 401 00:29:52.839 --> 00:29:56.519 a glass. It can drive some people insane if they hear it. I've 402 00:29:56.559 --> 00:30:00.160 heard all kinds of things. A banshee can appear as a hag, as 403 00:30:00.160 --> 00:30:07.839 an old chrome, or a beautiful young woman or maybe you know in between, 404 00:30:07.039 --> 00:30:11.680 somewhere in between, a moderately attractive middle aged woman. Yeah. Um, 405 00:30:11.759 --> 00:30:18.039 several several banshees wailing at once for tales of a great person's death, 406 00:30:18.279 --> 00:30:22.359 someone who's very important, and a banshee choir. Sure so so yeah, 407 00:30:22.359 --> 00:30:26.480 this is ah this one. This one's a pretty popular one, and there 408 00:30:26.519 --> 00:30:30.000 there's also some there's debate as to whether or not this one would be considered 409 00:30:30.039 --> 00:30:34.480 a ghost, but I think I, for my intents and purposes, I 410 00:30:34.480 --> 00:30:37.880 would put it as a as a ghost in an intelligent ghost, because it's 411 00:30:37.920 --> 00:30:42.279 it's a spirit. And as to the origins of where they came from, 412 00:30:42.319 --> 00:30:48.799 there's quite a bit to two banshees, because Irish families had women that that 413 00:30:48.839 --> 00:30:53.559 would basically professionally wail at funerals and and things like in wakes, they're so 414 00:30:53.599 --> 00:30:56.640 good at that stuff, and not the whaling, but just just like the 415 00:30:56.960 --> 00:31:02.519 cool rituals and stuff. Yeah, so it could be one of these ladies 416 00:31:02.559 --> 00:31:03.920 that you know that was good at that. I read that it could be 417 00:31:03.960 --> 00:31:08.559 a woman that died giving birth. Oh, could then turn into a banshee 418 00:31:08.559 --> 00:31:11.759 maybe. Yeah, there's there's could be anything, and you'll, you know, 419 00:31:11.880 --> 00:31:15.680 we'll we'll get to it in a little bit. But that that theme 420 00:31:15.720 --> 00:31:19.480 of women who die in childbirth comes back. I mean, manner of death 421 00:31:19.640 --> 00:31:22.640 is a big thing. So that's not just the Irish culture. This has 422 00:31:22.680 --> 00:31:29.279 that sure. So then it brings us to a revenant. A revenant often 423 00:31:29.319 --> 00:31:33.440 wicked people who return from the dead to fulfill a special goal or desire, 424 00:31:33.640 --> 00:31:40.359 maybe like revenge or something like that. Their spirit is strong enough to reanimate 425 00:31:40.359 --> 00:31:44.880 their corpse. Yeah, and I kind of have to say this one is 426 00:31:45.319 --> 00:31:49.079 maybe a cousin of the ghost, not a real because it's a it's a 427 00:31:49.079 --> 00:31:55.519 physical right, yeah, because it becomes corporeal, right, But it's it's 428 00:31:55.599 --> 00:32:00.759 motivated by this strong spirit that has moved on but comes back because of the 429 00:32:00.759 --> 00:32:04.720 wheel of its emotion. Yeah, you get this is this is a good 430 00:32:04.759 --> 00:32:07.960 thing to discuss right here is like this not quite a ghost category. Revenant 431 00:32:08.039 --> 00:32:14.160 is an excellent example because the fact that it is it is physical that you 432 00:32:14.200 --> 00:32:16.599 can reach out and touch it kind of messes. I mean, this is 433 00:32:16.640 --> 00:32:22.920 the same idea with the Gollum. You know, it's spirit put into something 434 00:32:22.119 --> 00:32:28.079 an animated. Yeah, you know, you get also like zombies, you 435 00:32:28.119 --> 00:32:30.839 know, like they're possessed of a of an agenda of sorts, you know, 436 00:32:31.200 --> 00:32:34.680 But no one would think of zombies a ghost. No one thinks that 437 00:32:34.759 --> 00:32:37.599 Gollum's a ghost. And I think that, well, it gets closer to 438 00:32:37.640 --> 00:32:40.240 the edge of the of the zone, I think a revenant. Yeah, 439 00:32:40.319 --> 00:32:43.440 yeah, I was. I was going to bring bring that up too. 440 00:32:43.440 --> 00:32:45.319 It's it's kind of like an intelligent zombie in a way, yea, because 441 00:32:45.319 --> 00:32:50.480 it knows what it's what it's doing at that point. It's not just a 442 00:32:50.519 --> 00:32:54.519 brain eating machine a lich. There you go. Yeah, no one thinks 443 00:32:54.519 --> 00:32:59.039 a lich is a ghost at all. That's its own animal. I would 444 00:32:59.039 --> 00:33:02.359 even then, gosh, I might say that a litch would be closer to 445 00:33:02.400 --> 00:33:06.480 a ghost than a revenant. But our D and D friends can can help 446 00:33:06.519 --> 00:33:12.960 us debate this one, Kenneth Height, please, usually revenants, I think 447 00:33:12.960 --> 00:33:15.599 are malicious, they intend harm to the living. Yeah, that is a 448 00:33:15.720 --> 00:33:21.119 vengeance spirit. That is, they definitely have some to do. So I 449 00:33:21.680 --> 00:33:25.240 think this one is an intelligent category. If we categorize it as a as 450 00:33:25.279 --> 00:33:30.000 a ghost, they can be defeated if you're ever running into one. They 451 00:33:30.000 --> 00:33:36.559 can be defeated by decapitation or burning or take out their heart. See boom, 452 00:33:36.640 --> 00:33:39.279 we're right back to zombie town vampire town really and at that point, 453 00:33:39.359 --> 00:33:44.960 yeah, so then we move on to the wraith. The wraith is a 454 00:33:44.960 --> 00:33:47.960 is a pretty fearsome foe. Wraith. The word is Scottish in origin. 455 00:33:49.440 --> 00:33:54.279 It's basically another word for ghosts they had, but wraith has come kind of 456 00:33:54.319 --> 00:34:00.200 to mean and it's different based on your location. That's that's the fun thing 457 00:34:00.200 --> 00:34:06.200 with wraith. It could be another spirit of vengeance, but it's not not 458 00:34:06.319 --> 00:34:10.280 exactly in this case, it doesn't have to be a former living being. 459 00:34:10.519 --> 00:34:16.079 It could be born of pure rage or revenge and controlled by a greater spirit 460 00:34:16.199 --> 00:34:21.840 or entity. Depending on where you're from, it could be a double of 461 00:34:21.880 --> 00:34:28.280 an existing person and an omen of that person's imminent death. So um that 462 00:34:28.280 --> 00:34:32.360 that creeps into double gang or territory, right right, wraiths are usually humanoid, 463 00:34:34.639 --> 00:34:37.400 shrouded and maybe a tattered cloak or you know, some dark thing where 464 00:34:37.840 --> 00:34:43.079 they have maybe a hood up or something in nothing but darkness instead of a 465 00:34:43.159 --> 00:34:46.239 face. Or you get into also that that same thing as a as Ken 466 00:34:46.239 --> 00:34:50.880 pointed out, the spectral hands. Those things, Yeah, the just the 467 00:34:50.960 --> 00:34:55.280 disembodied portion that you see that is, you know, the finger that points 468 00:34:55.320 --> 00:34:59.840 to do them your soul. Those kinds of things. Those things are freaky. 469 00:35:00.159 --> 00:35:05.400 The story of the hands on the highway where you'd be driving down, 470 00:35:05.559 --> 00:35:07.920 you know, out in something like New Mexico, Arizona and one of those 471 00:35:08.000 --> 00:35:13.519 long stretches through the desert, uh, and it's it's late at night, 472 00:35:13.599 --> 00:35:16.039 but you have to drive through. You know, truckers tell tell stories like 473 00:35:16.079 --> 00:35:19.960 this. They're they're driving along, kind of zoning out a little bit, 474 00:35:20.000 --> 00:35:22.800 and then they just they feel something tickling the back of their neck and they 475 00:35:22.880 --> 00:35:27.320 kind of reach up and all of a sudden, these hands start choking them 476 00:35:27.480 --> 00:35:30.239 and they try to turn around. See, you know, is there somebody 477 00:35:30.239 --> 00:35:35.719 in the truck. Nobody's there. It's just hands choking them. And finally 478 00:35:36.039 --> 00:35:40.440 the hands let go or they just disappear, and you know the truckers just 479 00:35:40.559 --> 00:35:45.639 left like what the hell just happened? And there's physical evidence of harm that 480 00:35:45.679 --> 00:35:47.840 has been done to them. That's the that's what the spectral hands are. 481 00:35:49.199 --> 00:35:52.800 Oh yeah see yeah, that that is a nasty goes And honestly, what 482 00:35:52.960 --> 00:35:59.440 kind of goes picks on truckers? A ghost that that has no afterlife? 483 00:35:59.519 --> 00:36:07.400 Yeah, or coast that kind of hit or yeah, our ghost that somebody 484 00:36:07.480 --> 00:36:09.480 a trucker hit somebody right, Yeah, hit knocked them out of their hands. 485 00:36:09.760 --> 00:36:15.360 Yeah, they were like leaning one arm, just kind of like riding 486 00:36:15.440 --> 00:36:22.039 the wind and trucker comes by that hand, swears vengeance upon all. Somebody 487 00:36:22.239 --> 00:36:27.000 is like in a in a drug induce and they're just like going out like 488 00:36:27.119 --> 00:36:30.280 one to hug the world. But they just stumble upon the highway and then 489 00:36:30.320 --> 00:36:32.920 bam and then it just severs the hands and the hands just kind of dropped 490 00:36:32.920 --> 00:36:40.320 to the rend and enough of that first movie ever. The Wraith also they 491 00:36:40.320 --> 00:36:46.079 have long, sharp fingers. M Raith is another fun D and D character 492 00:36:46.159 --> 00:36:50.800 for our fans out there. They drained the life from the living and can 493 00:36:50.840 --> 00:36:54.360 make them wraiths as well. But I think for Raith, because there's so 494 00:36:54.440 --> 00:36:59.360 much stuff that says it's it's such a being of pure hate and rage and 495 00:36:59.679 --> 00:37:04.599 revenge and stuff. I think this is an energy manifestation as opposed to coming 496 00:37:04.599 --> 00:37:07.880 from a living being or soul. I could go with that. I don't 497 00:37:07.880 --> 00:37:12.320 see anyone leaving and coming back and saying, well, my job is just 498 00:37:12.440 --> 00:37:15.719 talk with people now, ye, I mean there are evidence, yeah, 499 00:37:15.760 --> 00:37:17.199 there are yeah, but no, I would go with that. I would 500 00:37:17.239 --> 00:37:22.320 say that there's a a coalescing of a lot of negative energy. That yeah, 501 00:37:22.400 --> 00:37:24.760 I would. I would agree with that. I like that. Yeah. 502 00:37:24.760 --> 00:37:29.880 And the thing is, uh, I don't know that I've I haven't 503 00:37:29.880 --> 00:37:35.159 heard very much of it being a double or doppelganger of somebody that they see 504 00:37:35.159 --> 00:37:37.559 a wraith and then it's like, oh no, and you know they're they're 505 00:37:37.559 --> 00:37:40.400 about to die. I've heard of it more of being you know, this 506 00:37:40.559 --> 00:37:45.000 the spirit of vengeance and stuff. Interesting that it's could be controlled by a 507 00:37:45.039 --> 00:37:49.079 greater spirit or enterity, you know. Yeah, it makes me wonder what 508 00:37:49.280 --> 00:37:52.280 hill ved is and that that control by a greater spirit or energy. You 509 00:37:52.320 --> 00:37:57.360 know. That's that that the colloquial the death fetch. You know, you 510 00:37:57.400 --> 00:37:59.639 want to jump to a f huh, Well, I got I got that 511 00:38:00.039 --> 00:38:02.119 out that from Ken. I'm I'm doing nothing but quoting Ken. Hi, 512 00:38:02.679 --> 00:38:07.079 this is the best. No, Ken is your your friend, right? 513 00:38:07.159 --> 00:38:10.159 Yes, Ken is a friend of yours who's very well versed in in this 514 00:38:10.159 --> 00:38:13.840 this type of thing. I I you know, he had better listen to 515 00:38:13.840 --> 00:38:15.599 this because I'll say this, Uh, Ken is actually one of the smartest 516 00:38:15.599 --> 00:38:20.599 people I've ever met. And uh he is a writer. And he is 517 00:38:20.639 --> 00:38:23.760 also a huge HP Lovecraft. I mean to say, a fan or efficient 518 00:38:23.760 --> 00:38:28.679 audit has not covered. He's a source of knowledge on the man and his 519 00:38:28.760 --> 00:38:35.119 works, and so he is exceedingly knowledgeable about these things. And uh yeah, 520 00:38:35.199 --> 00:38:38.000 he's He's a great resource for this kind of discussion. Sweet sweet Ken, 521 00:38:38.000 --> 00:38:42.159 You'll have to write in after listening to this and tell us either how 522 00:38:42.199 --> 00:38:46.199 big a jackass we both are or I am just you get leave that part 523 00:38:46.199 --> 00:38:52.800 out. I don't want to know. Or or maybe maybe we're doing us 524 00:38:52.880 --> 00:38:53.960 a good service for many kind of who knows, well, you know, 525 00:38:54.000 --> 00:38:58.719 and maybe maybe at some point I'll clean up this apartment. We can have 526 00:38:58.719 --> 00:39:00.719 a guest on. That'd be great. Yeah, since you mentioned Fetch, 527 00:39:00.840 --> 00:39:05.519 let's let's go to that. A Fetch is a ghost double of a living 528 00:39:05.559 --> 00:39:07.920 person. So if here's your doppelgang er, that's that's more more in line 529 00:39:07.920 --> 00:39:13.679 with what a doppelganger is doppelgang or being German for doublegoer. Basically, it's 530 00:39:13.760 --> 00:39:19.840 just an exact copy or twin of a person. Some people call them evil 531 00:39:19.880 --> 00:39:22.199 twins, you know, it could be it could be something that sometimes they 532 00:39:22.199 --> 00:39:25.119 don't have gotie, so it's very difficult to tell. That's when they mess 533 00:39:25.159 --> 00:39:30.239 with people. That's the thing they're they're considered an ill omen maybe an omen 534 00:39:30.280 --> 00:39:34.119 of the person who sees their doppel gang or maybe it's their death. That's 535 00:39:34.159 --> 00:39:37.400 that's coming up kind of like we said with the wraith. But these these 536 00:39:37.480 --> 00:39:42.440 fetches, they have no reflection. Uh, they're they're pretty mischievous. They 537 00:39:42.480 --> 00:39:45.000 like causing trouble. They like the haunting type of stuff, you know, 538 00:39:45.159 --> 00:39:49.960 just kind of scaring scaring people, to scare people in a way, could 539 00:39:50.039 --> 00:39:53.079 be like I said, could be an evil twin. And and they like 540 00:39:53.119 --> 00:39:58.599 to mess with people, get inside people's their double's heads, maybe plant ideas 541 00:39:58.679 --> 00:40:01.320 things like that. It's it's real, real, real creepy stuff. So 542 00:40:01.400 --> 00:40:06.320 I would put this into intelligent Yeah, oh absolutely, yeah. In my 543 00:40:06.360 --> 00:40:09.079 mind, the litmus were intelligence that they have a like a thing they're trying 544 00:40:09.079 --> 00:40:13.159 to achieve. Yeah, I mean, even if you want to boil it 545 00:40:13.199 --> 00:40:16.920 down even further, just the ability to communicate or interact with the living really, 546 00:40:17.480 --> 00:40:22.880 So then we get a dibbock. Now I had trouble with this one 547 00:40:22.880 --> 00:40:29.400 at first because when I read upon it at first, a dibbeck and I 548 00:40:29.440 --> 00:40:35.880 think even a dibbock is Hebrew for cleaving or clinging. This is what that 549 00:40:35.920 --> 00:40:39.599 means. But it's it's a wandering soul that seeks to inhabit a living person, 550 00:40:40.440 --> 00:40:45.480 often with malicious intent, although not always. The trouble I had was 551 00:40:45.559 --> 00:40:49.559 that early origins of it described it more as a demon. Yeah, I 552 00:40:49.559 --> 00:40:52.480 was gonna I was just gonna say, that is something that I had always 553 00:40:52.480 --> 00:40:54.880 put into the demon bucket, right, and I was going to as well. 554 00:40:55.239 --> 00:40:59.760 But I was gonna put the dibbeck in a box. Don't don't. 555 00:41:02.039 --> 00:41:07.559 There's there's a legend, a magnificent, probably podcast worthy discussion about a dibbeck 556 00:41:07.599 --> 00:41:20.320 in a box. There's also along with this legend is immense bad luck when 557 00:41:20.360 --> 00:41:23.920 you bring it up or even think about it, and it could happen to 558 00:41:23.960 --> 00:41:28.760 anybody. So if we lose this episode. Sorry, No, we have 559 00:41:28.920 --> 00:41:34.719 not expressly said the phrase that pays. We've danced around the edges of it. 560 00:41:35.039 --> 00:41:37.920 All right, I'll buy into that only just because we had our superstition 561 00:41:37.960 --> 00:41:44.719 episode just last week exactly. The rabbis that you know, the Kabbalah of 562 00:41:44.760 --> 00:41:51.320 that stuff, they say they don't believe in demons, so they are more 563 00:41:51.360 --> 00:41:55.039 apt to believe in a soul that's lost or soul it's wandering around. That's 564 00:41:55.199 --> 00:41:59.800 kind of where that's kind of how I slid it back over to to go 565 00:42:00.159 --> 00:42:02.920 town. So and that's and that's interesting that like almost echoing what we were 566 00:42:02.920 --> 00:42:07.679 saying last week with the superstitions. It's one of those those kind of it 567 00:42:08.000 --> 00:42:13.199 depends on who's talking about it, you know, if if the person you 568 00:42:13.280 --> 00:42:15.840 if you don't have hell, you don't have demons, you know, or 569 00:42:15.280 --> 00:42:17.840 or you know to that degree at least as far as I know. Sure, 570 00:42:17.960 --> 00:42:22.719 So that yeah, you're right, that depiclins right right on the line 571 00:42:22.760 --> 00:42:28.239 there, right on the line wherever you like. Yeah, and mostly because 572 00:42:28.280 --> 00:42:31.000 of the ability to possess the living. You know, you think of possessions, 573 00:42:31.000 --> 00:42:36.559 you think of um the Exorcist, you know, a demon hill possessing 574 00:42:36.639 --> 00:42:39.239 stuff like that, Yeah, exactly. Yeah, the ghost possession. You 575 00:42:39.480 --> 00:42:44.039 hear about it, but it's always very brief. Yeah, it's always Oh, 576 00:42:43.800 --> 00:42:46.639 I was, I was compelled to come into this room and do something, 577 00:42:46.639 --> 00:42:50.320 and then within minutes it's it's over. You know, there's like that 578 00:42:50.440 --> 00:42:52.639 brief compulsion and then it's gone. Yeah. Often you don't know that you've 579 00:42:52.639 --> 00:42:57.800 done it if you've been exactly. But so let's move on real quick. 580 00:42:57.840 --> 00:43:00.679 Here. We got a what's called a vision, a ghost that's called a 581 00:43:00.800 --> 00:43:07.679 vision. It's it's just it boils down to an appearance to the dying of 582 00:43:07.840 --> 00:43:10.880 dead friends and relatives. This is you see the light and then you see 583 00:43:10.920 --> 00:43:16.360 Grandma and grandpa waiting for you. You see somebody that that that you know 584 00:43:16.480 --> 00:43:21.199 that has died, that's welcoming you to the afterwards. Something like that. 585 00:43:21.320 --> 00:43:28.599 Yeah. And this one, this one, this one's kind of this one 586 00:43:28.360 --> 00:43:32.800 borders on hallucination, right, yeah, exactly, it's probably scientific. You 587 00:43:32.840 --> 00:43:37.000 know, you see it and it's it's it's doing a thing, and that 588 00:43:37.159 --> 00:43:40.519 it I hate. I hate this category and I'll tell you why. It 589 00:43:40.719 --> 00:43:45.599 almost starts to pull the thread out of the sweater of everything else. We've 590 00:43:45.599 --> 00:43:47.840 discussed already because you're like, well, no, I saw it, and 591 00:43:47.880 --> 00:43:51.800 it was it was waving to me, it was communicating me. So that's 592 00:43:51.800 --> 00:43:55.840 a ghost, right, because if you saw it in your kitchen, you 593 00:43:55.880 --> 00:44:00.400 know, yeah, that's a could be chemicals firing off and you know, 594 00:44:00.719 --> 00:44:02.960 and there's I'll tell you this is the thing with visions is you have to 595 00:44:04.000 --> 00:44:07.519 look at the person seeing them. People who see ghosts are just going about 596 00:44:07.559 --> 00:44:10.760 their lives. People who have these visions there's something very extreme happening. In 597 00:44:10.840 --> 00:44:15.199 most of the cases, they're dying. They're yeah, they're dying, They're 598 00:44:15.280 --> 00:44:20.920 under extreme stress, something horrible has just happened. There's there's always a trigger. 599 00:44:21.280 --> 00:44:23.440 Yeah, and again you can just as easily say, well that's what 600 00:44:23.639 --> 00:44:30.320 drew the vision to you. Yeah, but you know that's that is a 601 00:44:30.840 --> 00:44:34.119 chicken of the egg six to one and a half dozen of the other. 602 00:44:34.880 --> 00:44:37.400 Call it as you like it. I mean, if if we have to 603 00:44:37.400 --> 00:44:40.519 call it ghosts, what would you say energy manifestation? Because it could it 604 00:44:40.599 --> 00:44:45.800 be residual if they see you. Man, I hate this, I hate 605 00:44:45.800 --> 00:44:50.199 this, But if no, no, I do, I do. If 606 00:44:50.239 --> 00:44:53.400 you have to call it a ghost, then it has to be intelligent because 607 00:44:53.440 --> 00:44:58.360 it's communicating to you. Yeah, I can see that, all right, 608 00:44:58.400 --> 00:45:01.280 and I hate that even more I would. I'm gonna file it for me. 609 00:45:01.360 --> 00:45:07.199 I'm gonna file it under energy manifestation. But I think I'm tainted by 610 00:45:07.199 --> 00:45:10.440 the hallucination. Yeah, so I think that's I think it's more about the 611 00:45:10.559 --> 00:45:15.039 viewer than the viewe. Yeah, well that one's that one's a dealer's choice 612 00:45:15.079 --> 00:45:19.400 for you. Yeah, there you go. We don't get to tell you 613 00:45:19.440 --> 00:45:27.280 how to feel about that one. You're welcome, America. This next one, 614 00:45:27.320 --> 00:45:31.679 ectoplasm, Oh yeah, here's a popular one. Supposedly, ectoplasm is 615 00:45:31.679 --> 00:45:37.639 a substance or spiritual energy that's formed by physical mediums, people that communicate with 616 00:45:37.639 --> 00:45:42.280 the dead when they're in a trance state, you know, maybe like a 617 00:45:42.280 --> 00:45:46.760 seance or something. It's supposed to be kind of gauze like which spirits used 618 00:45:46.760 --> 00:45:52.760 to drape over themselves to interact in the physical realm. It's what It gives 619 00:45:52.800 --> 00:45:55.199 them a little bit of meat on their bones, as it were. The 620 00:45:55.280 --> 00:46:12.000 problem is that it's complete bush. Yeah, it's bunk, it's hokum. 621 00:46:12.039 --> 00:46:19.199 There were so many mediums that were busted regurgitating things like cheesecloth or Muslim that 622 00:46:19.320 --> 00:46:23.360 just maybe had some butter on it or some god and then saying it was 623 00:46:23.559 --> 00:46:28.840 ectoplasm. And you know what, it's a perfect scam because who's gonna want 624 00:46:28.840 --> 00:46:38.159 to closely investigate that. Yeah, it's just I'm communicating rights. Means it 625 00:46:38.199 --> 00:46:42.880 worked right, And I mean, and this is this is a huge There 626 00:46:42.960 --> 00:46:46.679 was a time when this was considered the year the really speaking with the dead. 627 00:46:46.719 --> 00:46:51.280 It was like a vogue. Yeah, this was a vogue of in 628 00:46:51.280 --> 00:46:55.960 in in seances. That's how you knew you were really talking to a true 629 00:46:57.000 --> 00:47:01.239 medium because they couldn't manifest ectoplasm. And that means they were pulling ectoplasm out 630 00:47:01.239 --> 00:47:05.320 of any place. They could hide it, any any orifice they were. 631 00:47:05.400 --> 00:47:08.119 They probably had their knees knocking on the table. Yeah, somebody underneath the 632 00:47:08.159 --> 00:47:13.920 table and a tribe door gram people's legs. I mean, it's putting butter 633 00:47:14.000 --> 00:47:27.519 on the Muslim. That's my new favorite euphemism, butter. Yeah, so 634 00:47:27.719 --> 00:47:31.000 actoplasm, I mean it's it doesn't even belong on the list because it is 635 00:47:31.079 --> 00:47:36.719 so the Ghostbusters made it made it what it is, right. Yeah, 636 00:47:36.960 --> 00:47:39.360 somebody blows their nose and you want to keep it. That's great. I 637 00:47:39.440 --> 00:47:45.119 like their actoplasm. Yeah, you actually get some gunk and slime and goo 638 00:47:45.239 --> 00:47:47.599 on you. Yeah, that's fun, which in that case would have to 639 00:47:47.639 --> 00:47:53.679 be an energy manifestation. But since it falls under the BS category, Yeah, 640 00:47:53.719 --> 00:47:57.079 then we're just going to stamp that one with Creed and move on. 641 00:47:57.239 --> 00:48:02.719 Yeah, Creed stamp. So then I got Will of the Wisp, oh 642 00:48:02.880 --> 00:48:08.599 right right. Swamp lights comes from English folklore. It's a ghostly light that's 643 00:48:08.599 --> 00:48:14.599 seen by travelers at night, usually around swamps or bogs. They look like 644 00:48:14.800 --> 00:48:19.079 lamps in the you know, kind of off a little bit in the distance, 645 00:48:19.119 --> 00:48:22.079 not too far, but and if you approach them, they recede, 646 00:48:22.360 --> 00:48:27.400 and the legend goes that they they lure travelers off the path until they're completely 647 00:48:27.440 --> 00:48:30.679 lost, and then they die, either in the wilderness or swallowed up by 648 00:48:30.679 --> 00:48:32.719 the swamp. Yeah, drowning the swamp. Yeah, that's that's a that's 649 00:48:32.719 --> 00:48:37.599 a classic one. And that that was This one's interesting because this this this 650 00:48:37.679 --> 00:48:42.880 was one of those topics that has tendrills into other areas of the occult um, 651 00:48:42.920 --> 00:48:46.440 you know, the ubiquitous. There's always everything swamp gas, every UFO, 652 00:48:46.480 --> 00:48:51.719 swamp gas ball, lightning. Yeah, you know these kind of things 653 00:48:51.719 --> 00:48:57.079 that come up to explain not only unexplained lights like this or but also UFOs. 654 00:48:57.159 --> 00:49:00.239 You know there's yeah, yeah, this is it to sticks its foot 655 00:49:00.239 --> 00:49:06.760 and a bunch of buckets here. Um uh, I'm going no beeps for 656 00:49:06.960 --> 00:49:12.599 us. But if it is a if it is a spirit, is it 657 00:49:12.639 --> 00:49:15.159 is it? Is it a spirit of someone that died? Or fairies? 658 00:49:15.679 --> 00:49:19.559 You know, like, what what could that be? I would go with 659 00:49:20.239 --> 00:49:25.599 residual energy because that's the worst job for the afterlife. Nope, not crossing 660 00:49:25.639 --> 00:49:30.400 over, hanging out in a swamp, messing up people's vacations. I wonder, 661 00:49:30.599 --> 00:49:34.920 I wonder if not necessarily a spirit, it could be an energy manifestation 662 00:49:35.039 --> 00:49:38.679 somehow. Yeah, maybe something is. Also they go by different names. 663 00:49:39.119 --> 00:49:45.000 Hobby Lantern is one of them. Uh. And hinky punk. That's the 664 00:49:45.000 --> 00:49:47.960 real thing. I love the word hinky punk. Inky punk is a willow 665 00:49:49.000 --> 00:49:51.159 the wisdom. I like, you know that word, Well, it's in 666 00:49:51.320 --> 00:49:54.159 uh, it's in Harry Potter. Oh okay, yeah yeah. So then 667 00:49:54.159 --> 00:50:00.639 it brings us to a tulpa, which is a Tibetan Buddhism con scept of 668 00:50:00.840 --> 00:50:07.199 a being or an object which is created through sheer discipline in thought. This 669 00:50:07.280 --> 00:50:12.559 is this is what's called a thought form, which is materialized thought that takes 670 00:50:12.599 --> 00:50:15.840 physical form. Pretty crazy. Yeah, I mean this this, I think 671 00:50:15.880 --> 00:50:20.280 this is like the best friend of the gallum, you know, it's it's 672 00:50:20.960 --> 00:50:23.400 it comes into the ghosts. Yeah, it's not a ghost. I mean 673 00:50:23.440 --> 00:50:28.119 it's not. It's not a spared enough. No one's died, no one's 674 00:50:28.159 --> 00:50:32.679 crossed over. This is this is just really cracking telekinesis. Yeah, you 675 00:50:32.719 --> 00:50:37.360 know, you know that's pretty pretty heavy handed to h Yeah, so I 676 00:50:37.360 --> 00:50:38.639 I don't I don't think that really lives in the in the ghost realm, 677 00:50:38.679 --> 00:50:44.840 but in the Tibetan tradition, it's it's considered to be something that the people 678 00:50:44.840 --> 00:50:46.679 who train their their whole lives and focus can achieve, you know. And 679 00:50:47.400 --> 00:50:52.639 then the hill malayas that's a Sometimes they get out of hand sometimes, you 680 00:50:52.639 --> 00:50:55.480 know, if you don't have enough discipline, they can you can lose control 681 00:50:55.519 --> 00:51:00.400 of them, and then they'll basically go off as if they were just another 682 00:51:00.440 --> 00:51:04.559 person getting out of there and going to live their own life. Thanks for 683 00:51:04.679 --> 00:51:09.880 nothing, dad, you're not a real dad, slam right, Yeah, 684 00:51:09.960 --> 00:51:17.719 now you gotta you gotta raise a tulpas right, but that that's a great 685 00:51:17.760 --> 00:51:22.119 segue into people's other beliefs around the world. Yeah, the way I mean, 686 00:51:22.400 --> 00:51:28.719 we've got we've got some amazing suggestions of of of courses of study from 687 00:51:28.760 --> 00:51:34.280 our Facebook friends. Hethel Vora gave us this amazing thing that I had never 688 00:51:34.320 --> 00:51:38.559 heard of from the far away India. In in Indian culture, the google 689 00:51:38.599 --> 00:51:45.760 the ghost is a boot bhoot and then uh, within that is the charrail 690 00:51:46.079 --> 00:51:51.559 and the boots are either there's just much like we have one hundred different kinds 691 00:51:51.599 --> 00:51:55.400 of ghosts um and it's it's it's amazing. It's Sanskrit boot um and it's 692 00:51:55.639 --> 00:52:01.119 a combination of words that mean past being. And the commonality is that they 693 00:52:01.199 --> 00:52:04.880 can all be kind of you know, you can deal with them. You 694 00:52:04.880 --> 00:52:09.679 can defend yourself from boots. So are they all um malicious malevolent? They're 695 00:52:09.679 --> 00:52:16.360 all delicious, malicious and delicious? Well, yes, I believe so they 696 00:52:15.639 --> 00:52:21.079 all Yeah, there, there's certainly. The interesting thing is that they're are 697 00:52:21.079 --> 00:52:24.079 they're very specific. Uh. And the one that Hethel told us about that 698 00:52:24.119 --> 00:52:28.280 I that I then subsequently read up on, which because it was so interesting, 699 00:52:28.760 --> 00:52:32.719 was the cherrail and the Cherrail is set to capture men. It's a 700 00:52:32.760 --> 00:52:40.199 man trap ghost m A Chrail appears as a beautiful woman. I'm exactly. 701 00:52:40.320 --> 00:52:45.079 Everything is awesome. Um, they are beautiful and they are alluring, and 702 00:52:45.199 --> 00:52:50.519 the only giveaway is that their feet face the other way. I'm running. 703 00:52:51.199 --> 00:52:53.599 You'd think you are, but they're wearing a sorry. Oh no, you 704 00:52:53.639 --> 00:52:59.679 can't see the right And by the time I'm not fat, I looking away 705 00:52:59.800 --> 00:53:02.400 right And by the time the sorry's gone, you're not looking at feet brosef. 706 00:53:05.800 --> 00:53:08.440 But here's the fun thing. Uh, the fun thing about a trail 707 00:53:08.599 --> 00:53:13.239 is that it's a long con. It's not you know, they don't just 708 00:53:13.360 --> 00:53:17.000 like like destroy your soul right then and there. They break you down one 709 00:53:17.119 --> 00:53:23.800 night with a trail, and you will end up impotent. They have stolen 710 00:53:24.000 --> 00:53:30.920 that from Yeah, exactly exactly. So first of all, you you're impotent. 711 00:53:31.519 --> 00:53:37.360 Then you get you get a fever, so you're now now you're sick 712 00:53:37.360 --> 00:53:44.039 and impotent. No, don't stop there, yo, I can't stop there. 713 00:53:44.320 --> 00:53:47.880 And then this this over time, uh, your face changes you you 714 00:53:49.000 --> 00:53:52.800 just wear this this this look of horror on your face. Uh, and 715 00:53:52.920 --> 00:53:59.000 not that. Yeah. And if that's not enough yet, because everyone doesn't 716 00:53:59.000 --> 00:54:01.440 want to see the look wor in your face. So there's this this rhythmic 717 00:54:01.599 --> 00:54:07.840 motion of the head, and so so you're really you're impotent. You're running 718 00:54:07.880 --> 00:54:10.039 a fever. You've got this look on your face, and your head's just 719 00:54:10.320 --> 00:54:14.480 ripping around and around around. So there's no way you're blending in society. 720 00:54:14.480 --> 00:54:17.360 Everyone and everyone knows what you did. He knows, everybody knows you may 721 00:54:17.559 --> 00:54:25.000 you went. It's embarrassing. Now. I do think there are some interesting 722 00:54:25.039 --> 00:54:30.639 things about that, the fever, the rictus in the face. I think 723 00:54:30.639 --> 00:54:35.239 that there, if I was to guess, probably some disease, perhaps maybe 724 00:54:35.280 --> 00:54:38.039 a form of dangy fever or something like that. Danhy fever has a lot 725 00:54:38.079 --> 00:54:45.280 of sharp muscle contractions. But that and the rhythmic motion of the head, 726 00:54:45.760 --> 00:54:50.039 these are sounds like some nervous system of right, like some sort of hemorrhagic 727 00:54:50.159 --> 00:54:52.719 neurological fever kind of thing. You know. I don't know, but those 728 00:54:52.760 --> 00:54:58.360 those things sound almost symptomatic. And I do like that they were able to 729 00:54:58.440 --> 00:55:02.519 slap a little morality play on that. Yeah, put a ring on it. 730 00:55:02.559 --> 00:55:05.960 And if you put the ring on the finger and it just falls through 731 00:55:06.000 --> 00:55:12.880 the finger, probably walk away. Not not for you, but in general, 732 00:55:14.119 --> 00:55:17.079 just just look down once in a yeah, check the feet lift that 733 00:55:17.320 --> 00:55:20.840 lift that skirt a little bit and yeah, you know, you know it's 734 00:55:20.840 --> 00:55:24.920 a good smooth move for this go dancing. Oh you dip her while she's 735 00:55:24.920 --> 00:55:29.719 all like, well, swoon, you're like feet check, you're like a 736 00:55:30.239 --> 00:55:32.920 rail check. Also, when you dip a girl in her feet face backwards, 737 00:55:32.960 --> 00:55:37.320 it's a lot harder to dip them. That's a good point dancing in 738 00:55:37.360 --> 00:55:39.039 general, right, right, So dancing, it was a great check. 739 00:55:39.079 --> 00:55:45.639 So men, dance, dance with a lady first, Yeah, learn to 740 00:55:45.760 --> 00:55:49.679 dance. Save yourself a whole lot of problems, because we'll we're all gonna 741 00:55:49.679 --> 00:55:52.280 know. You can't lie and be like, oh I just have a cold 742 00:55:52.480 --> 00:55:54.320 while your head's whipping around in a circle. We're all gonna know what you 743 00:55:54.360 --> 00:56:02.320 did. So scaredbro, Let's get to let's get to some of the questions 744 00:56:02.320 --> 00:56:07.679 that we got on yeah yeahs about it. And I'll start with what's the 745 00:56:07.679 --> 00:56:12.079 difference between a ghost and a demon? This comes to us from our Franche. 746 00:56:12.679 --> 00:56:15.760 What's the difference between a ghost and a demon? And she mentions even 747 00:56:15.800 --> 00:56:20.000 the dibbit what we covered covered the dibbit earlier. She also asked, our 748 00:56:20.039 --> 00:56:23.599 demons really just really evil ghosts or apparations? A demon and a ghost are 749 00:56:23.599 --> 00:56:29.079 not the same thing. No, a demon to me anyway, And I 750 00:56:29.119 --> 00:56:31.679 mean I think you can sus this out from some of the readings and stuff. 751 00:56:32.760 --> 00:56:38.079 It's a Demon's a supernatural, malevolent being. It's not a spirit of 752 00:56:38.119 --> 00:56:43.199 a dead person. Yeah. No, you cannot, no matter how much 753 00:56:43.480 --> 00:56:47.639 Black Sabbath you listen to ever achieve demon this they in virtually every culture who 754 00:56:47.719 --> 00:56:52.760 recognizes a being like a demon. They are eternal. They were here way 755 00:56:52.800 --> 00:56:55.519 before us, they'll be here way after us. Fighting there a turtle war 756 00:56:55.639 --> 00:57:00.480 with the light. Yeah, and we just get choose and flossed with in 757 00:57:00.519 --> 00:57:04.320 the middle. Uh, your your friend Kim might might appreciate this some, 758 00:57:04.960 --> 00:57:08.760 especially from the HP Lovecraft. One example that that almost toes the line of 759 00:57:09.119 --> 00:57:15.280 ghostdom is a ghoul. Oh yeah, that's it's Arabic in origin. It's 760 00:57:15.360 --> 00:57:20.800 it's not necessarily a ghost, it's it's more it's considered more a demon origin. 761 00:57:21.199 --> 00:57:24.920 And one method to becoming a ghoul is eating the flesh of a corpse 762 00:57:25.519 --> 00:57:30.559 and eat that you die, You're gool. And one even further is a 763 00:57:30.639 --> 00:57:36.840 gast which it's someone that dies in the act of cannibalism, and that's sort 764 00:57:36.840 --> 00:57:39.960 of like a show. Just choke on some meat. Sure, Hi, 765 00:57:40.280 --> 00:57:44.599 I want to be a ghoul because I'm tired of this whole human thing. 766 00:57:44.639 --> 00:57:46.599 Well, welcome to the morgue. First of all, all right, now 767 00:57:46.880 --> 00:57:50.760 you're gonna then advise me. Listen, you're gonna want it. You're gonna 768 00:57:50.800 --> 00:57:53.119 your instinct is going to be to carefully chew each bite. Don't do it 769 00:57:53.280 --> 00:57:59.440 now. If you are able to die in the act of eating this flesh, 770 00:57:59.559 --> 00:58:04.079 you will eyes up to be like middle management in gool Cup. We'll 771 00:58:04.079 --> 00:58:07.760 start you out at probably eighty grand a year. Oh man, is it 772 00:58:07.840 --> 00:58:13.519 cheating if you're eating, If you're like you've got the noose around your neck, 773 00:58:13.719 --> 00:58:15.599 you're standing on the on the stool, and you've got you've got a 774 00:58:15.639 --> 00:58:19.880 big handful of dead flash? Is it cheating if you off yourself? Watch 775 00:58:19.920 --> 00:58:22.000 it. It doesn't have to accidentally happen as a coincidence. We'll give you 776 00:58:22.039 --> 00:58:24.679 a hand. Well, we can give you a hand there. Okay, 777 00:58:24.800 --> 00:58:28.639 we've got a boot to kick the All right, so I haven't done it 778 00:58:28.679 --> 00:58:32.920 myself. I facing the other way I wouln't even know you're there. Maybe 779 00:58:32.920 --> 00:58:37.000 you won't do it. Yeah, I guess you'll just have to yeah, 780 00:58:37.119 --> 00:58:39.760 find out right, Okay, yeah, flesh. So that's how it works 781 00:58:39.800 --> 00:58:44.719 people, So there you go, shay uh. We also have from our 782 00:58:44.719 --> 00:58:49.400 friend Todd Edwards, how do ghost work? Well, basically like magnets, 783 00:58:49.480 --> 00:58:54.480 we like ghosts repeal each other. Yeah. I think we covered dead early 784 00:58:54.519 --> 00:58:57.679 on. I think that's what this was. That's what this is. This 785 00:58:57.760 --> 00:59:00.360 is how it goests work, And he says, what if some one just 786 00:59:00.400 --> 00:59:04.239 wanted to be an apparition? This kind of goes back to does a ghost 787 00:59:04.280 --> 00:59:07.079 have a choice of being a ghost? And you can't really pin that down, 788 00:59:07.480 --> 00:59:12.760 you know. I feel like the further you get on that scale towards 789 00:59:12.800 --> 00:59:15.760 intelligence, the more likely it is you chose to be there. Yeah, 790 00:59:16.239 --> 00:59:20.880 I would say in terms of an apparition, I don't know that apparitions have 791 00:59:20.920 --> 00:59:23.639 as much choice because they're they're more the residual stuff. Yeah exactly. So, 792 00:59:23.760 --> 00:59:25.719 Yeah, I think the more choice you get, the more you have 793 00:59:25.760 --> 00:59:30.840 to assume that there was a decision made. Yeah. Our friend Mel says, 794 00:59:30.079 --> 00:59:34.840 is being a ghost a matter of choice? Or is that person simply 795 00:59:34.840 --> 00:59:37.480 trapped, So we just I think I think you can go either way. 796 00:59:37.840 --> 00:59:40.920 Also, what's the scariest real life ghost story you've heard? I'm gonna I'm 797 00:59:40.920 --> 00:59:45.559 gonna defer back to the Spectral Hands on the Highway for that one. That 798 00:59:45.800 --> 00:59:49.639 that is a good one. But I have a hard time thinking of like 799 00:59:49.679 --> 00:59:52.119 the what I consider be like the scariest ghost story. Yeah. Um, 800 00:59:52.639 --> 00:59:58.800 I personally I don't really believe in ghosts, so I don't find them. 801 00:59:58.800 --> 01:00:01.320 I find them interesting funded to discuss, but I don't really believe in them. 802 01:00:01.320 --> 01:00:06.000 And I'll tell you why. I think that if by any however you 803 01:00:06.039 --> 01:00:08.360 cut it, however a soul remains trapped in this plate, there have been 804 01:00:08.480 --> 01:00:13.840 enough people that have died on this planet for us to be hip deep in 805 01:00:13.880 --> 01:00:17.679 ghosts all the time, no matter what the number is, whatever the statistical 806 01:00:17.760 --> 01:00:23.239 significance is. If it's just people who die by violence, who didn't die 807 01:00:23.239 --> 01:00:27.840 by violence a thousand years ago, you know there's not a lot of like 808 01:00:27.960 --> 01:00:31.920 Alzheimer's cropping up in twelve to twenty two BC. You know that's people are 809 01:00:32.000 --> 01:00:37.679 dying violently all the time, every war, everything. So for that reason 810 01:00:37.719 --> 01:00:39.920 alone, that's my litmus for why I do not believe in ghosts. Also 811 01:00:40.000 --> 01:00:44.639 because I sleep better because sometimes I freak myself out before I go to sleep. 812 01:00:45.360 --> 01:00:50.079 So no real ghost stories to tell from, because you know, I 813 01:00:50.480 --> 01:00:53.960 find different ghost stories interesting. But no, there's not. I don't. 814 01:00:54.079 --> 01:00:57.559 I wouldn't say that I have a favorite, but I can't say this. 815 01:00:58.159 --> 01:01:02.960 In two weeks I will. Oh, and you guys out there with your 816 01:01:02.960 --> 01:01:07.960 headphones on and your computers open and your buster browns and forward facing feet, 817 01:01:10.360 --> 01:01:17.400 you guys are gonna get an earful of of some some choice ghost stories for 818 01:01:17.679 --> 01:01:22.639 hollow miss this year. Exactly, you keep your pants on and and wait 819 01:01:22.679 --> 01:01:27.000 for that exactly. You're not going to be sleeping in the month of November. 820 01:01:28.320 --> 01:01:30.760 One more. I've got here and I don't even know if I can 821 01:01:30.760 --> 01:01:36.000 answer this, but I have a friend who I know. He doesn't drink 822 01:01:36.039 --> 01:01:40.360 but sure looks like but you'd have a hard time telling it. Friend Brendan 823 01:01:40.480 --> 01:01:47.000 says, are a gost friends, Casper can E ghost want sex? How 824 01:01:47.079 --> 01:01:52.000 do the letter you spell? Poe? Author gets said, how M ghost? 825 01:01:52.719 --> 01:01:58.239 I'll just I'll just answer that with static. You spell it as Poulter, 826 01:01:58.360 --> 01:02:02.400 guys, Yeah, it's spelled pull youre geist yep, thunder sound. 827 01:02:04.960 --> 01:02:09.360 Yeah he earned it now. Actually, uh, my uncle Larry was able 828 01:02:09.360 --> 01:02:13.239 to actually shine some light on this area, although he wasn't meaning to. 829 01:02:13.400 --> 01:02:16.800 But it turns out Casper is a ghost. Oh he's a very friendly ghost 830 01:02:17.519 --> 01:02:22.360 and a little known fact. His last name is McFadden Scottish. Wow. 831 01:02:22.679 --> 01:02:27.079 Um, and I believe if I'm not mistaken, I think it was maybe 832 01:02:27.119 --> 01:02:30.039 Louis c k who pointed out that or no it's or was it as he's 833 01:02:30.039 --> 01:02:35.800 a sorry pointed out that a Casper is the ghost of a child. True, 834 01:02:35.840 --> 01:02:38.960 and no one ever really discusses how that child died because that's pretty dark 835 01:02:39.000 --> 01:02:43.039 for a kid's show. He's like a dead nine year old. I guess 836 01:02:43.079 --> 01:02:47.000 in the Christina Ricchie version he's already dead, right yeah? Or do they 837 01:02:47.039 --> 01:02:52.559 tell how he died? But maybe they tell how he died? Oh? 838 01:02:52.559 --> 01:02:57.639 Man, Well, his last name is McFadden. He's totally a ghost and 839 01:02:57.679 --> 01:03:00.800 I'm glad that we have discussed him because he deserves was a place in this 840 01:03:00.840 --> 01:03:06.159 discussion. We had a listener who listened to the Hollow Earth episode in its 841 01:03:06.280 --> 01:03:12.000 entirety, oh ding ming Ming Ming Minging We and even provided us a pun 842 01:03:12.079 --> 01:03:16.320 with it. No, yeah, that is a certificate with a gold star. 843 01:03:17.079 --> 01:03:22.840 The pun is hollow Man, an awful movie that doesn't exist in hollow 844 01:03:22.880 --> 01:03:28.599 Earth, probably because it's a paradise. Yeah, exactly, because everything there's 845 01:03:28.639 --> 01:03:30.960 great. So how on earth if you bring a DVD it just melts as 846 01:03:31.000 --> 01:03:37.639 you crossed the murcat. Oh well, let's get to the puns. Yeah, 847 01:03:37.000 --> 01:03:38.559 all right, do you want to start? You want me to, 848 01:03:39.159 --> 01:03:42.519 I'll start. I'll start one. I'm going. I hope you, I 849 01:03:42.519 --> 01:03:47.440 hope you buckled in for this one. Um Banshees two Men is a an 850 01:03:47.440 --> 01:03:57.159 eternal pop group that uses mostly acapella to welcome the recently dead. I couldn't 851 01:03:57.159 --> 01:03:59.320 even say that a normal vine. Did you hear? Like it was even 852 01:03:59.360 --> 01:04:08.639 trailing off myself? Yeah? Well, well for you, I've got a 853 01:04:08.679 --> 01:04:16.599 curtain blinds store called fetch Me some Shades. Alright, alright, I will 854 01:04:16.719 --> 01:04:23.800 I'll see you're fetch me some shades with In an effort to reduce food costs, 855 01:04:23.840 --> 01:04:27.360 and in the wake of the scandal regarding its meat, taco Bell will 856 01:04:27.360 --> 01:04:41.079 now be materializing out of the air the all new Cha Tulpa. Yeah man, 857 01:04:41.320 --> 01:04:44.519 think of the cost savings. Yeah, but it's the hard thing is 858 01:04:44.559 --> 01:04:46.360 to you know, you gotta fly a guy from Tibet all the way. 859 01:04:47.920 --> 01:04:55.960 Yeah, and he's just making I mean, they're no longer and in his 860 01:04:56.039 --> 01:05:00.960 control. Yeah, no longer in his control, but in your stone. 861 01:05:02.000 --> 01:05:09.000 Oh awesome. And I've got a homeopathic medicine shop called the poul Disgeist. 862 01:05:09.679 --> 01:05:20.000 I'm gonna throw a pen at your face Rose, all right. I don't 863 01:05:20.000 --> 01:05:26.119 know how I'm gonna because we've just been destroyed by by time. Yeah. 864 01:05:26.280 --> 01:05:30.039 Time's tough, lot's talk about. But you know what, that's fine. 865 01:05:30.199 --> 01:05:33.559 That's that's what happens when you're hitting the tough questions. No one has ever 866 01:05:33.880 --> 01:05:39.440 tried to figure out ghost taxonomy, and we wanted to. We wanted to 867 01:05:39.480 --> 01:05:45.360 involve our friends and absolutely and we win with that. Holy crap. Thank 868 01:05:45.400 --> 01:05:49.079 you to everyone who replied or gave us. I mean, we can't really 869 01:05:49.159 --> 01:05:51.960 name all of you, mostly because I'm not entirely sure you want to be 870 01:05:53.079 --> 01:05:57.119 named. Ye Ken went over the top, so he just gets that that 871 01:05:57.159 --> 01:06:00.440 he has no choice. And also my uncle Larry. But you know what 872 01:06:00.519 --> 01:06:03.119 it was, it was amazing. Thank you so much for your emails. 873 01:06:03.480 --> 01:06:09.679 There will be ms paint certificates for people who claim to have listened to the 874 01:06:09.800 --> 01:06:13.119 totality, and we'll know if you don't. Yeah, we will know if 875 01:06:13.119 --> 01:06:15.079 you did not listen to it. Yeah, we'll know if you didn't listen 876 01:06:15.079 --> 01:06:18.119 to all that. So those will be forthcoming. And I've decided that we're 877 01:06:18.119 --> 01:06:23.920 going to make those collectors items, those those MS paint digital certificates. Uh 878 01:06:24.079 --> 01:06:30.280 so you have until December fifth to claim. That's sixty days almost. So's 879 01:06:30.400 --> 01:06:33.440 it's a goodly while. Yeah, yeah, plenty of time to claim your 880 01:06:34.000 --> 01:06:43.239 hollow earth. I lost two hours of my life and all I got is 881 01:06:43.280 --> 01:06:47.800 this lousy MS paint certificate. But there will be more. Yeah. Absolutely. 882 01:06:48.039 --> 01:06:51.760 They're like little easter eggs. Yeah, and if you collect them all 883 01:06:53.320 --> 01:06:58.360 then something might Yeah reference Pokemon exactly. If you put them all together, 884 01:06:58.519 --> 01:07:00.920 flip through it, it makes a little stick figure that burst into flames. 885 01:07:00.960 --> 01:07:03.239 That's not going to happen, but that's an example. Yeah, we'll have 886 01:07:03.239 --> 01:07:06.599 to think it through. So yeah, so there you go. Keep keep 887 01:07:06.639 --> 01:07:11.880 the emails coming, keep the Facebook stuff coming. I think it was fun 888 01:07:11.960 --> 01:07:15.039 to post on our Facebook page and say, yeah, what what do you 889 01:07:15.039 --> 01:07:18.519 guys want to know about? Bring the heat onto us? So we keep 890 01:07:18.559 --> 01:07:21.199 trying that. Yeah, don't be afraid to like us on the on the 891 01:07:21.239 --> 01:07:27.239 Facebook, and us our Twitter account, yeah, and our individual pages because 892 01:07:27.280 --> 01:07:30.519 we're all very interesting people. That's true. So to make a long story 893 01:07:30.559 --> 01:07:34.199 long, I'm damn floor, David Stecco. This has been glory photos. 894 01:07:34.960 --> 01:08:00.239 Bye. Is that your damn the