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We're not messing around at all today. We are bringing you the taxonomy of
ghosts. That's right. What the different varieties of ghosts are? What make
them unique and different? Um, not only in the ghost that we are
familiar with them, We're going global, other countries ghosts, the difference between
ghosts and demons. Yep, we got all that good stuff because because deep
down in your subconscious, that little amygdala of yours is being like, what
what, what's this ghost what's this mean we're suspector why can't I sleep here?
Amygdella sounds like a little bit. Well that's how Mgdola's work. We
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questions from from some listeners and fans that I think we'll address towards in here
after we get through awesome list So let me let me start out with a
with a quote for you. Oh how about that? This is from not
from your amygdalas, because I've had about all of that I can take moving
on next section. No, this is from a Spanish movie I think it's
Spanish, called The Devil's Backbone, and I just thought it was really cool.
So let me lay this on you. The quote is what is a
ghost? An emotion, a terrible moment condemned to repeat itself over and over,
an instant pain, perhaps something dead which appears at times alive, a
sentiment suspended in time, like a blurry photograph, like an insect trapped in
amber. Pretty neat, hunh, that's really good. And it's got our
name, and yeah, it's got the branding. So let's clarify ghost here
for you guys. A ghost basically is just a manifestation of the of a
spirit of the dead, the soul breaft of a body. Yeah, it's
got. It's got some roots etymologically in the Old English gast, which basically
meant a soul or breath, and the German geist the Germanic geist yep,
which which meant spirit. But people say ghost. They could be talking about
any number of paranormal beings or entities, and normally they actually say giggigg ghost,
but they that's still same thing, still the same thing. Yeah,
it doesn't matter how many time you try to say it before you actually get
it out. I would think of it this way, saying dog, when
you're looking at a golden retriever or you're looking at a Rodweiler or something like
that, you say dog, which it is a dog, but then there
are different breeds of dog. Would you say that that's pretty accurate or yeah,
stupid No, And the similarities don't stop there. Some like a banshee.
Some dogs never shut up. Oh snap, yeah see I could keep
going, but we're not. No time, no time. We gotta get
this train moving. So the question about a ghost, I think boils down
to what causes a ghost to be a ghost? Right? And I mean
there's no hard and fast rule in a lot of this stuff. Ghosts are
an experimental science at best, I think would write absolutely and you know,
and even even that quote kind of has that that initial schism in it of
is is the ghost a functioning soul with thoughts and an agenda or is it
you know? And is it, as some people explain the phenomenal, like
just an electromagnetic anomaly print, yeah, and that that is stuck in a
place, and it is just it's just a record that plays itself over and
over with no will behind it. Right. I think for the purposes of
this evening that we're just going to go with the soul approach because it makes
things more fun it does, it does, and less bad for the ghost,
which that's that's nice and positive, right exactly, So everyone has more
fun if the if the ghost has an agenda, right, some of some
of the questions that have been asked about a ghost, is it is it
something? Is it a soul or a spirit that didn't transition forward, you
know, didn't didn't step into the light or going to the tunnel or whatever.
The thing after the moment of death doesn't have unfinished business? Is that?
What's you know? Is it? Is it willingly staying in this plane
of reality even though it doesn't exist on this plane of reality in a body
in a course? Right? Yeah? That that decision that that is it?
Is it something? Is the ghost a further victim after dying, after
dying? Is it trapped or is it willing willingly staying around to complete whatever
it wants to do? Or as you mentioned earlier, did an imprint that's
caused by maybe extreme emotion or a trauma or something, and it's it's so
extreme that it literally imprints itself electromagnetically maybe on that particular moment location, you
know, something that that causes it to replay the same thing over and over,
which which isn't that far afection? Ninety? Yeah? I mean the
living do that. People go through a traumatic event and they stay there Yeah,
they stay there emotionally and mentally. I mean, like in most of
the time it's hilarious, like Uncle Rico, you know, it's he's still
wearing like his nineteen eighty three shirts and stuff. People find those times in
their lives that they either like a lot or terrible and they just get stuck
there. So I guess it's it's entirely plausible little that death does not stop
such a thing. It's it's true. And that's the same thing with you.
You've heard of people falling in love when they've experienced a traumatic event together.
You know that two people find I guess solace in each other, but
it leaves an imprint on them enough to where only love can You know,
I agree with you. I felt like speed was the love story of the
nineties. It's the screw the nineties. It crossed the millennium. So,
because this isn't such a specific science, it's gonna be hard not to sound
like a raging jackass through this whole thing. Let's not worry about that.
We haven't until now, you haven't until it. So what I've done is
from the research from looking into this stuff, I've basically boiled down three kinds
of classifications of ghosts, or maybe three categories that we could put each example
of this ghost type into. Now, these aren't, like I said,
hardened Fast that this is how it is. This is how you know what
the world at large or paranormal experts say it is. There's a lot of
different opinions and beliefs in the paranormal science of it. Yeah, and when
those people get their podcasts, they can do it how they want. It's
true. I bet there's a bunch of those out there. Yeah, exactly,
we're about to get our asses kicked. Ernie and Treyvon remember me.
So the classifications that I kind of cobbled together were Number one, intelligent ghosts.
These are ghosts that can communicate with you or that they can interact with
their environment. They can be good or evil. I guess most of these
ghosts can be good or evil. And right, it's not really a thing,
but that's intelligent. So an example there would be like your Swayzy ghost
from the movie of the same name. Oh yeah, Swazie, I'm gonna
get I'm gonna come up with an example of every ghost you mentioned. This
is that's gonna be my job. This is great, I'll help you with
a couple of them, but not all of them. A residual category would
be number two. Residual means that it's it's a scene or an image that's
played out over and over like a film loop, like we were saying Earth
right, right, I think, I guess I'd say traditionally, residual ghost
pays no attention to the observer and makes no real It does not regard it's
surroundings. Yeah, it's it doesn't pay attention and it doesn't Yeah, it
doesn't have any regard for for anything that's round it, So it may not
even know that it's being observed, if it has any thought to know at
all. So good example, that's your your classic free floating full torso vaporous
apparition um from Ghostbusters the librarian. Well but oh but she does know to
someone. Yeah she yeah, she turns turns up the heat on them.
Damn it. Good try that. Yeah, this would be well, I
mean, well, well we'll get into we'll get into examples, you know,
more specifically here in a minute. But think of your flying Dutchman.
Yeah, you're you're flying dutch the ship the ghost chip. I'll think about
my flying Dutchman. It is the ghost chip that that's doomed to sail,
you know, the mists of the sea, and it just basically if if
you see a Dutchman, it's it's it's bad luck. It's a bad omen
But it could sail just right through you and your ship whatever. You know,
if you're if you're on if you're standing there looking at it, it
could go right through you. It could pass you. It makes no effort
to interact with you at all. Yeah, ghost Train, Ghostbusters too,
ghost Train, that was sure. And the third the third type I've got
is in this one, I took some liberties with an energy manifestation. This
it's a basically what it is, a physical manifestation of spirit or a positive
or negative energy. You know what, though, I you've got the like,
I don't know if that count's face on, but I think that totally
counts. I think that's a huge amount of people's interactions with spirits or ghosts.
It's a non specific it's a really sharp feeling and sometimes you know,
like I love watching those shows that are on all through the month of October,
like on Discovery Channel about this this non specific just blur that moves through
a room, you know, or that those feelings of cold and dread that
move over people. Yeah, I think that's a completely legitimate category. So
I think I think you nailed it. Cool. Well, we'll see,
we'll see if the ones I put in there hold up. So let's let's
go on and get into types of types of ghosts here. Yeah. Well
we'll explain them a little bit and then we'll well we'll categorize them. Yeah,
let's let's work through this. Yeah. Number one, I've got here
an apparition. Okay, you've heard that, right. This is this is
your your most common I think ghost type the series, your entry level ghosts.
People. You don't have a big budget, you don't you don't know
what you want to do. Just this is the get the working back.
This is when you start your your game with where you get the upgrades exactly.
Uh. Usually this one is classified as residual. I would say you'll
see apparitions in in normal actions. This this is the loop that's played out
there. They're doing the stuff that they you know, did in their life.
It usually doesn't interact with with people, and apparations can be broken down
even more into you know, subcategories of apparations of which I won't do.
But this is this is your flying Dutchman or maybe a battle that that took
place here, like the distinct cries or something on a foggy night, or
could be Yeah, yeah, I'm just making things up over here. That's
fine. Um, you go to Gettysburg on a on a hot summer's night
and you see you see the you know people people fighting forms. Uh,
usually pretty transparent, but they're they're definitely they definitely have human features and look
like you know, if you knew any of them, they would probably be
familiar with you. But these they're usually ghost of of you know, long
dead people or things that happened kind of like your your your your old mansion
or hotel. Ghost that someone sees just kind of makes its way down the
hallway and then it's gone again. Yeah, so the brown Lady of random
hall Is is one of them. That's a good yeah. Cool. Next
up, we got phantom a lot of stuff that you're gonna find when you
try to look up this stuff. Lists, ghost apparition, phantom specter,
they're all it just groups them all together, but there's there's a little difference
in each of them. Phantom comes from the Greek phantasma. It closely resembles
the living and is often mistaken for the living until they like walk through a
wall or just straight up disappear until the cool giveaway scene. Right, this
is all based on movies. Why Why is everything I think about ghost based
on movies? Because that's that's how it's been done. Because I'm an literate.
These ghosts I think can fall under are both residual and intelligent because they
interact, they communicate, but they're usually from a tragic event or or a
person that you know had trauma at the time of death, something like that.
So there's that residual Yeah, exactly. Even the ghost might not be
aware that it is residual. It's interacting with you. Like I said,
like the example, I keep hearing that I know a lot about it,
things like old mansions or hotels, and you you have like the butler or
the cleaning person who's who comes through and they they're just doing their business and
maybe even like you said, interacting with you and you're not even instantly aware,
but you hear those stories, like at first it didn't connect that they're
wearing very old clothes. You know, like the style was just kind of
weirdly old and formal or something like that. Yeah, you know, those
kind of interactions that you hear stories about. Yeah, or maybe there's something
that that's not quite right. You can't can't put your finger on it until
like they leave the room, and then you you're like, oh, wait,
I forgot to tell you this. And then you go in the hall
and they're not there, right, and there's no way they could of gotten
down the hall, Yeah, exactly. Another and another example of a phantom
would be a hitchhiker. You know, one of those hitchhikers you pick up
in the middle of the night and it's like some girl who's drenched in rain,
you know, from the rain and stuff. She's like, I just
need to get home. It's two miles down the road. And maybe maybe
you sit there, you know, going home, and you try to make
small talk, but she doesn't say a word, and it's just kind of
like, Okay, this is it's kind of weird, but you know,
I'm doing a good deed here. And then you pull up to their house
and you turn you're like, is this the one you turn back and she's
gone, yeah, now here's here's a movie example. You're ready Large Marge
Peewee's Big Adventure, although she was deliberately trying to scare the crap out of
Pere Large Mark awesome. So then we got specter. A specter believed to
be the etheric remnants of a person after death. So this is this is
uh, it may sound a little, you know, like we're repeating a
little bit, but I feel, yeah, there's gonna be some repetition.
But this is also like a color scale, as you're going from the completely
oblivious to us to the more and more willing to interact or otherwise yeah with
us, right right, you know, And there is yeah, there's a
little gradients. So yeah, that makes sense. Cool, And this was
a specter. I think usually a darker, shadowy form of the person tends
to be scary or a bit scarier, you know, but but not typically
dangerous to the living. So I would say this one would would be a
residual. Yeah, in the residual category. And I'm not sure I get
the I get the idea that they maybe fade after a while. They you
know it, it's right after right after death. You you you'll see a
specter and then maybe you know, in a week or two you stop,
just let it do its thing for a while. In uh. In D
and D, specters can drain the life and turn turn the limiting inspectors.
Really and that radioto just popped. Yeah, well it's starting to get in
Chili. It's October. No, you know, like D and D,
everything kills you in D and D. Hey, good point. Moving on
from D and D. Seriously, it's like it's like we got our own.
It's our own. Next ghost a poulter Geist. Oh yes, Poltergeist
pretty popular. In fact that a lot of the stuff that I read makes
Poltergeist its own category, which I think it's kind of given a little too
much to the polar geist because it's still a type of ghost. There's not
like different types of poulter Geist per se. I don't think. I just
always saw them as particularly I mean like they're they're characterized by by their interaction
with the physical environment. They ring bells, they break windows, all stuff
around, Yeah, make messes. They're like the rambunctious children. Yeah they're
unseen, but they're really disruptive and destructive into It's German for noisy spirit.
That's what poltergeist means they cause noises, mischief, They can even physically attack
the living in terms of like bites, bruises, pull pulling on on stuff.
The funny thing is, I saw a lot of information that there's a
thought that they may be a manifestation of energy connected with a female adolescent and
and and connected specifically to that to that female. That explains the door slamming
kids these days. So that's yeah, your huh. And then and then
they're like it goes away after they you know, after they get a little
older, not not even much older, like yeah, a month or two.
And that's and that is interesting, I mean because that that draws into
this whole possibility of of like ghosts aging, I mean, you know,
like that or or the whole route of like psychokinesis from humans from living from
living beings. Yeah, I would I would almost say that in that case,
wouldn't that be almost kind of like the rem idea of that energy being
along of you know, rambunctious kids growing out, oh, you know,
having too much of that energy or maybe pent up or something and it releases
psychokinetically. Yeah, So if you take the previous definition of it, I'd
say I would put it in an intelligent in the intelligent category, yeah,
since it kind of knows it's it's messing with people. But if you take
that adolescent young person, then it's an energy manifestation. Yeah, I think
it's the former. I would be more inclined to believe it's the former because
it's it's interacting, it's doing things. Yeah, yeah, and and not
and always always not helpful things. Yeah. They don't make beds, No,
the sheets are all torn off. Yeah, if they do make a
great cup of coffee though, Next one, I got a shade. Okay.
Now, traditionally a shade is It's Greek for the spirit that resides in
hades. It could also be a negative life force, which makes it malevolent.
Yeah, you'd ever hear of a shade, does not you know,
somewhat like a specter, like those have a connotation. You can even hear
that scale as you list the different kinds of goods from an apparition to a
shade, it's true. Yeah, yeah, now, I mean I mean
shades. I had trouble find and find a good stuff on shades, but
they're one of the oldest known recording of ghosts because of the ancient Greeks believed
in them, and you know, they thought, well you can go to
the underworld and see the shades, or you know, if you're you're a
hero, maybe you can try to bring one back. If you're Orpheus,
yeah, if you are so inclined inclinde. But yeah, there's also the
thought that they could be a kind of a kind of a bad thing,
you know, in a way, like you said, like a specter,
but only maybe this one does mean some ill intent. And I always I
get the impression, and I don't know where this would be corroborated, but
like the shade is usually attached to a person, almost that there's a like
that goes that energy is there for one person, maybe as like revenge or
or just any strong connection that just keeps them around and kind of messing with
things. They can't let that person go for one reason or another. And
I think we see that as we get into these more too. I think
that's a good point for for a lot of these, it's that unfinished business
or a strong connection, Yeah, that that keeps them and almost traps them
in a way. The next one I got is a shadow. Now this
one you stay stay on the horse here with me, dark humanoid forms that
it's it's almost like a black mist, but it's got a humanoid shape.
Now, a lot of people will talk about shadow people, yeah, being
you know, sort of like this. I don't think that in terms of
ghosts, a shadow is a shadow person. I think that's its own podcast
that we should go it is, and I don't think, yeah, I
don't think that they're I agree with you one hundred percent. I think that
those are two very distinct although some sharing some similarities, but just coincidentally very
different entities. Yeah, I mean, shadow for a ghost is probably the
best description of it. Shadow person is a description of it too, although
it's it's going to be a shadow person. Could be an interdimensional being.
It could be getting in the Roman time, reptilian, It could be injured
cold, who knows. It could be a stack of pumpkins. But well,
we will definitely have a shadow personal podcast because those things are creepy as
hill. But for a shadow for a ghost shadow these are usually attached to
a certain location, and these are the things that people wake up in the
middle of the night and they see something standing in the doorway or something is
standing right beside them in the bed just they can tell it's looking at them.
But it's just this form, this black, black form, the thing
that you see, and you've already looked away before you register, and when
you look back, it's gone yeah yeah, or you get this dread.
But I mean obviously because there's a frigging black person shadow that's obviously staring at
you, and it just came out of nowhere, right, and then it,
you know, it walks out of the doorway into the hall to where
you can't see it, and then maybe you get up to be like is
this something I need to call the cops on what is this thing? And
then nothing's there, you know, which is worse. If you see something
walk out out of your bedroom and you decide to pursue it and then it's
not there, that's worse. I know you wouldn't think so, but it
is, Oh I think. So that's like that's like seeing a giant spider
and when you go to get something to kill it and you come back and
then it's gone, it's gone. Bah, worst scenario ever, and you
just know it's it's right, man, it's looking at you. It's plotting.
So there they usually don't communicate. These ghost shadows, they're definitely felt,
but don't communicate. So I think that makes them residual, some kind
of residual energy. And I've heard stories of this might be somebody somebody's living
in a house or an apartment where you know, somebody died of violent death
or was murdered or something, and they'll wake up and something will you know,
and it just happens to be the room they were murdered in, you
know, something like that good Luck, Sleep in the Night special listeners,
Yeah, anything else you got shadow on the shut? No, I mean
it is I agree with you. I think that it is more of a
residual type of entity. You don't ever the interaction is is all. It's
almost as though they want to be seen and then they're out, yeah,
like they're they're they're they're just waiting for you to open your eyes. Yeah,
and then then they leave. You know. That's that's the typical interaction
with a shadow. You don't ever hear about them sticking around or you don't
you know, hip your head back to Luck and they're still there, like
those things you know, yeah and there and none of them do They're like,
oh, crap, yeah, get it. They just kind of want
to be seen and then they move on. Yeah. So oh the next
one, I got a haunt or if you're from the South, a haint
no way, yep. Oh man. It's a spirit that's particularly restless,
and it can it can be scary, but but not always dangerous. These
are usually location oriented as well. These are the type that you know might
inhabit at a house, like like I just said, maybe maybe something violent
happened there or something. But these are the the adverb area of the paranormal
where you get haunts and spooks, you know, like their name is what
they do, yeah, yeah, basically, And and unlike a shadow person,
you can you can usually tell some features of a haunt and then they
can maybe change those features up if they want to, you know, turn
up the gas on the on the scary factor a little bit. And you
know with with with hants, there's also that that blurry line that I mean,
obviously there's the connection to a haunted house. And in a lot of
cases they say there are more than one ghost haunting a particular location, which
is interesting if there's any special thing about the location or just that was a
place where a lot about things happen. Yeah, and you wonder you know
that that changing of their appearance? Is that a changing of appearance? If
you and I are both haunting the same Playboy mansion and then they see you
and then they see me and they think, oh, that must be the
same ghost and changed as appearance. Good point. Yeah, good point.
I look forward to hunting Playboy Mansion as well. You're gonna see some heth
though, I got I've taken it up front before we choose not to cross
over. You're gonna see some hath. Well, you take the good with
the bad when you're dead, I guess. Yeah, although and also I
guess statistically speaking, he'll be a ghost too by then, I think,
if he's not already. Yeah. So these things I think are definitely residuals.
Yeah. But besides the fact they can interact with their environment, I
think, but mostly it's just you see them. They're scary, but they
don't really communicate. I don't know this when tows the line right, I
was gonna say I I was going to disagree with you on the on the
residual, but you're right, it's right on the line. Because there's always
this attempt to infer their agenda. It's never clear that people who are dealing
with a hound are always you know, what do you want from me?
And you know, there's there's attempts to exercise that work for a little while,
or they don't, there's right, or there's attempts to just reach a
middle ground, you know, And there are plenty of people who live in
haunted houses they're like, no, you know, it was spooky for a
while, but he's just just my rambunctious little helper, you know. Like
they're people who reach that and you you're right, like, you don't know
if they just want to be cool with the inhabitants of the house or if
they were just doing what they're doing. Anyway, it is, it is
right on the line. But if I was going to, if I have
to put my vote though, I'd put it into the intelligence side, Okay,
mostly because, like I said earlier in the podcast, it's more fun
that way. Okay, Yeah, yeah, yeah, I see, and
I hain't I haint. Also, it's also morphed kind of into a term
for a raging bitch really yeah, or like a she devil kind of thing.
Your aunt Susan is an I hate y'all. Oh, I can't believe
that Hainte took my boyfriend. You know, stuff like that. That's real.
That's that's what I've read. Oh my god, I love that.
Hain't cool. I'm using that. I am using that. It doesn't sound
that bad. I mean, there are worse things to call next time you
use your blink or your dirty haint. I take that back. That was
pretty terrible. Sounds awful and awesome. Man, look at that hants up
in here, some nasty oh man, leip and save listeners, clip and
save. So then that brings us to Banshee. Yeah. Now, Paint
to Banshee is a short short trip um paint Kevin Bacon Banshee done so.
A banshee is a female spirit in Irish and Scottish folklore whose unearthly whales foretell
of an appending death of certain families family member. They're attached to certain families
in traditionally Ireland. So I guess not not everybody, you know, not,
not anybody could hear a banshee whale. When one whales, it is
literally only that person's family that they can hear. Members of that family can
hear it, and it's it's a terrible screechy, screechy whale. I've heard
that it can, you know, cause your ears to bleed, a contract
a glass. It can drive some people insane if they hear it. I've
heard all kinds of things. A banshee can appear as a hag, as
an old chrome, or a beautiful young woman or maybe you know in between,
somewhere in between, a moderately attractive middle aged woman. Yeah. Um,
several several banshees wailing at once for tales of a great person's death,
someone who's very important, and a banshee choir. Sure so so yeah,
this is ah this one. This one's a pretty popular one, and there
there's also some there's debate as to whether or not this one would be considered
a ghost, but I think I, for my intents and purposes, I
would put it as a as a ghost in an intelligent ghost, because it's
it's a spirit. And as to the origins of where they came from,
there's quite a bit to two banshees, because Irish families had women that that
would basically professionally wail at funerals and and things like in wakes, they're so
good at that stuff, and not the whaling, but just just like the
cool rituals and stuff. Yeah, so it could be one of these ladies
that you know that was good at that. I read that it could be
a woman that died giving birth. Oh, could then turn into a banshee
maybe. Yeah, there's there's could be anything, and you'll, you know,
we'll we'll get to it in a little bit. But that that theme
of women who die in childbirth comes back. I mean, manner of death
is a big thing. So that's not just the Irish culture. This has
that sure. So then it brings us to a revenant. A revenant often
wicked people who return from the dead to fulfill a special goal or desire,
maybe like revenge or something like that. Their spirit is strong enough to reanimate
their corpse. Yeah, and I kind of have to say this one is
maybe a cousin of the ghost, not a real because it's a it's a
physical right, yeah, because it becomes corporeal, right, But it's it's
motivated by this strong spirit that has moved on but comes back because of the
wheel of its emotion. Yeah, you get this is this is a good
thing to discuss right here is like this not quite a ghost category. Revenant
is an excellent example because the fact that it is it is physical that you
can reach out and touch it kind of messes. I mean, this is
the same idea with the Gollum. You know, it's spirit put into something
an animated. Yeah, you know, you get also like zombies, you
know, like they're possessed of a of an agenda of sorts, you know,
But no one would think of zombies a ghost. No one thinks that
Gollum's a ghost. And I think that, well, it gets closer to
the edge of the of the zone, I think a revenant. Yeah,
yeah, I was. I was going to bring bring that up too.
It's it's kind of like an intelligent zombie in a way, yea, because
it knows what it's what it's doing at that point. It's not just a
brain eating machine a lich. There you go. Yeah, no one thinks
a lich is a ghost at all. That's its own animal. I would
even then, gosh, I might say that a litch would be closer to
a ghost than a revenant. But our D and D friends can can help
us debate this one, Kenneth Height, please, usually revenants, I think
are malicious, they intend harm to the living. Yeah, that is a
vengeance spirit. That is, they definitely have some to do. So I
think this one is an intelligent category. If we categorize it as a as
a ghost, they can be defeated if you're ever running into one. They
can be defeated by decapitation or burning or take out their heart. See boom,
we're right back to zombie town vampire town really and at that point,
yeah, so then we move on to the wraith. The wraith is a
is a pretty fearsome foe. Wraith. The word is Scottish in origin.
It's basically another word for ghosts they had, but wraith has come kind of
to mean and it's different based on your location. That's that's the fun thing
with wraith. It could be another spirit of vengeance, but it's not not
exactly in this case, it doesn't have to be a former living being.
It could be born of pure rage or revenge and controlled by a greater spirit
or entity. Depending on where you're from, it could be a double of
an existing person and an omen of that person's imminent death. So um that
that creeps into double gang or territory, right right, wraiths are usually humanoid,
shrouded and maybe a tattered cloak or you know, some dark thing where
they have maybe a hood up or something in nothing but darkness instead of a
face. Or you get into also that that same thing as a as Ken
pointed out, the spectral hands. Those things, Yeah, the just the
disembodied portion that you see that is, you know, the finger that points
to do them your soul. Those kinds of things. Those things are freaky.
The story of the hands on the highway where you'd be driving down,
you know, out in something like New Mexico, Arizona and one of those
long stretches through the desert, uh, and it's it's late at night,
but you have to drive through. You know, truckers tell tell stories like
this. They're they're driving along, kind of zoning out a little bit,
and then they just they feel something tickling the back of their neck and they
kind of reach up and all of a sudden, these hands start choking them
and they try to turn around. See, you know, is there somebody
in the truck. Nobody's there. It's just hands choking them. And finally
the hands let go or they just disappear, and you know the truckers just
left like what the hell just happened? And there's physical evidence of harm that
has been done to them. That's the that's what the spectral hands are.
Oh yeah see yeah, that that is a nasty goes And honestly, what
kind of goes picks on truckers? A ghost that that has no afterlife?
Yeah, or coast that kind of hit or yeah, our ghost that somebody
a trucker hit somebody right, Yeah, hit knocked them out of their hands.
Yeah, they were like leaning one arm, just kind of like riding
the wind and trucker comes by that hand, swears vengeance upon all. Somebody
is like in a in a drug induce and they're just like going out like
one to hug the world. But they just stumble upon the highway and then
bam and then it just severs the hands and the hands just kind of dropped
to the rend and enough of that first movie ever. The Wraith also they
have long, sharp fingers. M Raith is another fun D and D character
for our fans out there. They drained the life from the living and can
make them wraiths as well. But I think for Raith, because there's so
much stuff that says it's it's such a being of pure hate and rage and
revenge and stuff. I think this is an energy manifestation as opposed to coming
from a living being or soul. I could go with that. I don't
see anyone leaving and coming back and saying, well, my job is just
talk with people now, ye, I mean there are evidence, yeah,
there are yeah, but no, I would go with that. I would
say that there's a a coalescing of a lot of negative energy. That yeah,
I would. I would agree with that. I like that. Yeah.
And the thing is, uh, I don't know that I've I haven't
heard very much of it being a double or doppelganger of somebody that they see
a wraith and then it's like, oh no, and you know they're they're
about to die. I've heard of it more of being you know, this
the spirit of vengeance and stuff. Interesting that it's could be controlled by a
greater spirit or enterity, you know. Yeah, it makes me wonder what
hill ved is and that that control by a greater spirit or energy. You
know. That's that that the colloquial the death fetch. You know, you
want to jump to a f huh, Well, I got I got that
out that from Ken. I'm I'm doing nothing but quoting Ken. Hi,
this is the best. No, Ken is your your friend, right?
Yes, Ken is a friend of yours who's very well versed in in this
this type of thing. I I you know, he had better listen to
this because I'll say this, Uh, Ken is actually one of the smartest
people I've ever met. And uh he is a writer. And he is
also a huge HP Lovecraft. I mean to say, a fan or efficient
audit has not covered. He's a source of knowledge on the man and his
works, and so he is exceedingly knowledgeable about these things. And uh yeah,
he's He's a great resource for this kind of discussion. Sweet sweet Ken,
You'll have to write in after listening to this and tell us either how
big a jackass we both are or I am just you get leave that part
out. I don't want to know. Or or maybe maybe we're doing us
a good service for many kind of who knows, well, you know,
and maybe maybe at some point I'll clean up this apartment. We can have
a guest on. That'd be great. Yeah, since you mentioned Fetch,
let's let's go to that. A Fetch is a ghost double of a living
person. So if here's your doppelgang er, that's that's more more in line
with what a doppelganger is doppelgang or being German for doublegoer. Basically, it's
just an exact copy or twin of a person. Some people call them evil
twins, you know, it could be it could be something that sometimes they
don't have gotie, so it's very difficult to tell. That's when they mess
with people. That's the thing they're they're considered an ill omen maybe an omen
of the person who sees their doppel gang or maybe it's their death. That's
that's coming up kind of like we said with the wraith. But these these
fetches, they have no reflection. Uh, they're they're pretty mischievous. They
like causing trouble. They like the haunting type of stuff, you know,
just kind of scaring scaring people, to scare people in a way, could
be like I said, could be an evil twin. And and they like
to mess with people, get inside people's their double's heads, maybe plant ideas
things like that. It's it's real, real, real creepy stuff. So
I would put this into intelligent Yeah, oh absolutely, yeah. In my
mind, the litmus were intelligence that they have a like a thing they're trying
to achieve. Yeah, I mean, even if you want to boil it
down even further, just the ability to communicate or interact with the living really,
So then we get a dibbock. Now I had trouble with this one
at first because when I read upon it at first, a dibbeck and I
think even a dibbock is Hebrew for cleaving or clinging. This is what that
means. But it's it's a wandering soul that seeks to inhabit a living person,
often with malicious intent, although not always. The trouble I had was
that early origins of it described it more as a demon. Yeah, I
was gonna I was just gonna say, that is something that I had always
put into the demon bucket, right, and I was going to as well.
But I was gonna put the dibbeck in a box. Don't don't.
There's there's a legend, a magnificent, probably podcast worthy discussion about a dibbeck
in a box. There's also along with this legend is immense bad luck when
you bring it up or even think about it, and it could happen to
anybody. So if we lose this episode. Sorry, No, we have
not expressly said the phrase that pays. We've danced around the edges of it.
All right, I'll buy into that only just because we had our superstition
episode just last week exactly. The rabbis that you know, the Kabbalah of
that stuff, they say they don't believe in demons, so they are more
apt to believe in a soul that's lost or soul it's wandering around. That's
kind of where that's kind of how I slid it back over to to go
town. So and that's and that's interesting that like almost echoing what we were
saying last week with the superstitions. It's one of those those kind of it
depends on who's talking about it, you know, if if the person you
if you don't have hell, you don't have demons, you know, or
or you know to that degree at least as far as I know. Sure,
So that yeah, you're right, that depiclins right right on the line
there, right on the line wherever you like. Yeah, and mostly because
of the ability to possess the living. You know, you think of possessions,
you think of um the Exorcist, you know, a demon hill possessing
stuff like that, Yeah, exactly. Yeah, the ghost possession. You
hear about it, but it's always very brief. Yeah, it's always Oh,
I was, I was compelled to come into this room and do something,
and then within minutes it's it's over. You know, there's like that
brief compulsion and then it's gone. Yeah. Often you don't know that you've
done it if you've been exactly. But so let's move on real quick.
Here. We got a what's called a vision, a ghost that's called a
vision. It's it's just it boils down to an appearance to the dying of
dead friends and relatives. This is you see the light and then you see
Grandma and grandpa waiting for you. You see somebody that that that you know
that has died, that's welcoming you to the afterwards. Something like that.
Yeah. And this one, this one, this one's kind of this one
borders on hallucination, right, yeah, exactly, it's probably scientific. You
know, you see it and it's it's it's doing a thing, and that
it I hate. I hate this category and I'll tell you why. It
almost starts to pull the thread out of the sweater of everything else. We've
discussed already because you're like, well, no, I saw it, and
it was it was waving to me, it was communicating me. So that's
a ghost, right, because if you saw it in your kitchen, you
know, yeah, that's a could be chemicals firing off and you know,
and there's I'll tell you this is the thing with visions is you have to
look at the person seeing them. People who see ghosts are just going about
their lives. People who have these visions there's something very extreme happening. In
most of the cases, they're dying. They're yeah, they're dying, They're
under extreme stress, something horrible has just happened. There's there's always a trigger.
Yeah, and again you can just as easily say, well that's what
drew the vision to you. Yeah, but you know that's that is a
chicken of the egg six to one and a half dozen of the other.
Call it as you like it. I mean, if if we have to
call it ghosts, what would you say energy manifestation? Because it could it
be residual if they see you. Man, I hate this, I hate
this, But if no, no, I do, I do. If
you have to call it a ghost, then it has to be intelligent because
it's communicating to you. Yeah, I can see that, all right,
and I hate that even more I would. I'm gonna file it for me.
I'm gonna file it under energy manifestation. But I think I'm tainted by
the hallucination. Yeah, so I think that's I think it's more about the
viewer than the viewe. Yeah, well that one's that one's a dealer's choice
for you. Yeah, there you go. We don't get to tell you
how to feel about that one. You're welcome, America. This next one,
ectoplasm, Oh yeah, here's a popular one. Supposedly, ectoplasm is
a substance or spiritual energy that's formed by physical mediums, people that communicate with
the dead when they're in a trance state, you know, maybe like a
seance or something. It's supposed to be kind of gauze like which spirits used
to drape over themselves to interact in the physical realm. It's what It gives
them a little bit of meat on their bones, as it were. The
problem is that it's complete bush. Yeah, it's bunk, it's hokum.
There were so many mediums that were busted regurgitating things like cheesecloth or Muslim that
just maybe had some butter on it or some god and then saying it was
ectoplasm. And you know what, it's a perfect scam because who's gonna want
to closely investigate that. Yeah, it's just I'm communicating rights. Means it
worked right, And I mean, and this is this is a huge There
was a time when this was considered the year the really speaking with the dead.
It was like a vogue. Yeah, this was a vogue of in
in in seances. That's how you knew you were really talking to a true
medium because they couldn't manifest ectoplasm. And that means they were pulling ectoplasm out
of any place. They could hide it, any any orifice they were.
They probably had their knees knocking on the table. Yeah, somebody underneath the
table and a tribe door gram people's legs. I mean, it's putting butter
on the Muslim. That's my new favorite euphemism, butter. Yeah, so
actoplasm, I mean it's it doesn't even belong on the list because it is
so the Ghostbusters made it made it what it is, right. Yeah,
somebody blows their nose and you want to keep it. That's great. I
like their actoplasm. Yeah, you actually get some gunk and slime and goo
on you. Yeah, that's fun, which in that case would have to
be an energy manifestation. But since it falls under the BS category, Yeah,
then we're just going to stamp that one with Creed and move on.
Yeah, Creed stamp. So then I got Will of the Wisp, oh
right right. Swamp lights comes from English folklore. It's a ghostly light that's
seen by travelers at night, usually around swamps or bogs. They look like
lamps in the you know, kind of off a little bit in the distance,
not too far, but and if you approach them, they recede,
and the legend goes that they they lure travelers off the path until they're completely
lost, and then they die, either in the wilderness or swallowed up by
the swamp. Yeah, drowning the swamp. Yeah, that's that's a that's
a classic one. And that that was This one's interesting because this this this
was one of those topics that has tendrills into other areas of the occult um,
you know, the ubiquitous. There's always everything swamp gas, every UFO,
swamp gas ball, lightning. Yeah, you know these kind of things
that come up to explain not only unexplained lights like this or but also UFOs.
You know there's yeah, yeah, this is it to sticks its foot
and a bunch of buckets here. Um uh, I'm going no beeps for
us. But if it is a if it is a spirit, is it
is it? Is it a spirit of someone that died? Or fairies?
You know, like, what what could that be? I would go with
residual energy because that's the worst job for the afterlife. Nope, not crossing
over, hanging out in a swamp, messing up people's vacations. I wonder,
I wonder if not necessarily a spirit, it could be an energy manifestation
somehow. Yeah, maybe something is. Also they go by different names.
Hobby Lantern is one of them. Uh. And hinky punk. That's the
real thing. I love the word hinky punk. Inky punk is a willow
the wisdom. I like, you know that word, Well, it's in
uh, it's in Harry Potter. Oh okay, yeah yeah. So then
it brings us to a tulpa, which is a Tibetan Buddhism con scept of
a being or an object which is created through sheer discipline in thought. This
is this is what's called a thought form, which is materialized thought that takes
physical form. Pretty crazy. Yeah, I mean this this, I think
this is like the best friend of the gallum, you know, it's it's
it comes into the ghosts. Yeah, it's not a ghost. I mean
it's not. It's not a spared enough. No one's died, no one's
crossed over. This is this is just really cracking telekinesis. Yeah, you
know, you know that's pretty pretty heavy handed to h Yeah, so I
I don't I don't think that really lives in the in the ghost realm,
but in the Tibetan tradition, it's it's considered to be something that the people
who train their their whole lives and focus can achieve, you know. And
then the hill malayas that's a Sometimes they get out of hand sometimes, you
know, if you don't have enough discipline, they can you can lose control
of them, and then they'll basically go off as if they were just another
person getting out of there and going to live their own life. Thanks for
nothing, dad, you're not a real dad, slam right, Yeah,
now you gotta you gotta raise a tulpas right, but that that's a great
segue into people's other beliefs around the world. Yeah, the way I mean,
we've got we've got some amazing suggestions of of of courses of study from
our Facebook friends. Hethel Vora gave us this amazing thing that I had never
heard of from the far away India. In in Indian culture, the google
the ghost is a boot bhoot and then uh, within that is the charrail
and the boots are either there's just much like we have one hundred different kinds
of ghosts um and it's it's it's amazing. It's Sanskrit boot um and it's
a combination of words that mean past being. And the commonality is that they
can all be kind of you know, you can deal with them. You
can defend yourself from boots. So are they all um malicious malevolent? They're
all delicious, malicious and delicious? Well, yes, I believe so they
all Yeah, there, there's certainly. The interesting thing is that they're are
they're very specific. Uh. And the one that Hethel told us about that
I that I then subsequently read up on, which because it was so interesting,
was the cherrail and the Cherrail is set to capture men. It's a
man trap ghost m A Chrail appears as a beautiful woman. I'm exactly.
Everything is awesome. Um, they are beautiful and they are alluring, and
the only giveaway is that their feet face the other way. I'm running.
You'd think you are, but they're wearing a sorry. Oh no, you
can't see the right And by the time I'm not fat, I looking away
right And by the time the sorry's gone, you're not looking at feet brosef.
But here's the fun thing. Uh, the fun thing about a trail
is that it's a long con. It's not you know, they don't just
like like destroy your soul right then and there. They break you down one
night with a trail, and you will end up impotent. They have stolen
that from Yeah, exactly exactly. So first of all, you you're impotent.
Then you get you get a fever, so you're now now you're sick
and impotent. No, don't stop there, yo, I can't stop there.
And then this this over time, uh, your face changes you you
just wear this this this look of horror on your face. Uh, and
not that. Yeah. And if that's not enough yet, because everyone doesn't
want to see the look wor in your face. So there's this this rhythmic
motion of the head, and so so you're really you're impotent. You're running
a fever. You've got this look on your face, and your head's just
ripping around and around around. So there's no way you're blending in society.
Everyone and everyone knows what you did. He knows, everybody knows you may
you went. It's embarrassing. Now. I do think there are some interesting
things about that, the fever, the rictus in the face. I think
that there, if I was to guess, probably some disease, perhaps maybe
a form of dangy fever or something like that. Danhy fever has a lot
of sharp muscle contractions. But that and the rhythmic motion of the head,
these are sounds like some nervous system of right, like some sort of hemorrhagic
neurological fever kind of thing. You know. I don't know, but those
those things sound almost symptomatic. And I do like that they were able to
slap a little morality play on that. Yeah, put a ring on it.
And if you put the ring on the finger and it just falls through
the finger, probably walk away. Not not for you, but in general,
just just look down once in a yeah, check the feet lift that
lift that skirt a little bit and yeah, you know, you know it's
a good smooth move for this go dancing. Oh you dip her while she's
all like, well, swoon, you're like feet check, you're like a
rail check. Also, when you dip a girl in her feet face backwards,
it's a lot harder to dip them. That's a good point dancing in
general, right, right, So dancing, it was a great check.
So men, dance, dance with a lady first, Yeah, learn to
dance. Save yourself a whole lot of problems, because we'll we're all gonna
know. You can't lie and be like, oh I just have a cold
while your head's whipping around in a circle. We're all gonna know what you
did. So scaredbro, Let's get to let's get to some of the questions
that we got on yeah yeahs about it. And I'll start with what's the
difference between a ghost and a demon? This comes to us from our Franche.
What's the difference between a ghost and a demon? And she mentions even
the dibbit what we covered covered the dibbit earlier. She also asked, our
demons really just really evil ghosts or apparations? A demon and a ghost are
not the same thing. No, a demon to me anyway, And I
mean I think you can sus this out from some of the readings and stuff.
It's a Demon's a supernatural, malevolent being. It's not a spirit of
a dead person. Yeah. No, you cannot, no matter how much
Black Sabbath you listen to ever achieve demon this they in virtually every culture who
recognizes a being like a demon. They are eternal. They were here way
before us, they'll be here way after us. Fighting there a turtle war
with the light. Yeah, and we just get choose and flossed with in
the middle. Uh, your your friend Kim might might appreciate this some,
especially from the HP Lovecraft. One example that that almost toes the line of
ghostdom is a ghoul. Oh yeah, that's it's Arabic in origin. It's
it's not necessarily a ghost, it's it's more it's considered more a demon origin.
And one method to becoming a ghoul is eating the flesh of a corpse
and eat that you die, You're gool. And one even further is a
gast which it's someone that dies in the act of cannibalism, and that's sort
of like a show. Just choke on some meat. Sure, Hi,
I want to be a ghoul because I'm tired of this whole human thing.
Well, welcome to the morgue. First of all, all right, now
you're gonna then advise me. Listen, you're gonna want it. You're gonna
your instinct is going to be to carefully chew each bite. Don't do it
now. If you are able to die in the act of eating this flesh,
you will eyes up to be like middle management in gool Cup. We'll
start you out at probably eighty grand a year. Oh man, is it
cheating if you're eating, If you're like you've got the noose around your neck,
you're standing on the on the stool, and you've got you've got a
big handful of dead flash? Is it cheating if you off yourself? Watch
it. It doesn't have to accidentally happen as a coincidence. We'll give you
a hand. Well, we can give you a hand there. Okay,
we've got a boot to kick the All right, so I haven't done it
myself. I facing the other way I wouln't even know you're there. Maybe
you won't do it. Yeah, I guess you'll just have to yeah,
find out right, Okay, yeah, flesh. So that's how it works
people, So there you go, shay uh. We also have from our
friend Todd Edwards, how do ghost work? Well, basically like magnets,
we like ghosts repeal each other. Yeah. I think we covered dead early
on. I think that's what this was. That's what this is. This
is how it goests work, And he says, what if some one just
wanted to be an apparition? This kind of goes back to does a ghost
have a choice of being a ghost? And you can't really pin that down,
you know. I feel like the further you get on that scale towards
intelligence, the more likely it is you chose to be there. Yeah,
I would say in terms of an apparition, I don't know that apparitions have
as much choice because they're they're more the residual stuff. Yeah exactly. So,
Yeah, I think the more choice you get, the more you have
to assume that there was a decision made. Yeah. Our friend Mel says,
is being a ghost a matter of choice? Or is that person simply
trapped, So we just I think I think you can go either way.
Also, what's the scariest real life ghost story you've heard? I'm gonna I'm
gonna defer back to the Spectral Hands on the Highway for that one. That
that is a good one. But I have a hard time thinking of like
the what I consider be like the scariest ghost story. Yeah. Um,
I personally I don't really believe in ghosts, so I don't find them.
I find them interesting funded to discuss, but I don't really believe in them.
And I'll tell you why. I think that if by any however you
cut it, however a soul remains trapped in this plate, there have been
enough people that have died on this planet for us to be hip deep in
ghosts all the time, no matter what the number is, whatever the statistical
significance is. If it's just people who die by violence, who didn't die
by violence a thousand years ago, you know there's not a lot of like
Alzheimer's cropping up in twelve to twenty two BC. You know that's people are
dying violently all the time, every war, everything. So for that reason
alone, that's my litmus for why I do not believe in ghosts. Also
because I sleep better because sometimes I freak myself out before I go to sleep.
So no real ghost stories to tell from, because you know, I
find different ghost stories interesting. But no, there's not. I don't.
I wouldn't say that I have a favorite, but I can't say this.
In two weeks I will. Oh, and you guys out there with your
headphones on and your computers open and your buster browns and forward facing feet,
you guys are gonna get an earful of of some some choice ghost stories for
hollow miss this year. Exactly, you keep your pants on and and wait
for that exactly. You're not going to be sleeping in the month of November.
One more. I've got here and I don't even know if I can
answer this, but I have a friend who I know. He doesn't drink
but sure looks like but you'd have a hard time telling it. Friend Brendan
says, are a gost friends, Casper can E ghost want sex? How
do the letter you spell? Poe? Author gets said, how M ghost?
I'll just I'll just answer that with static. You spell it as Poulter,
guys, Yeah, it's spelled pull youre geist yep, thunder sound.
Yeah he earned it now. Actually, uh, my uncle Larry was able
to actually shine some light on this area, although he wasn't meaning to.
But it turns out Casper is a ghost. Oh he's a very friendly ghost
and a little known fact. His last name is McFadden Scottish. Wow.
Um, and I believe if I'm not mistaken, I think it was maybe
Louis c k who pointed out that or no it's or was it as he's
a sorry pointed out that a Casper is the ghost of a child. True,
and no one ever really discusses how that child died because that's pretty dark
for a kid's show. He's like a dead nine year old. I guess
in the Christina Ricchie version he's already dead, right yeah? Or do they
tell how he died? But maybe they tell how he died? Oh?
Man, Well, his last name is McFadden. He's totally a ghost and
I'm glad that we have discussed him because he deserves was a place in this
discussion. We had a listener who listened to the Hollow Earth episode in its
entirety, oh ding ming Ming Ming Minging We and even provided us a pun
with it. No, yeah, that is a certificate with a gold star.
The pun is hollow Man, an awful movie that doesn't exist in hollow
Earth, probably because it's a paradise. Yeah, exactly, because everything there's
great. So how on earth if you bring a DVD it just melts as
you crossed the murcat. Oh well, let's get to the puns. Yeah,
all right, do you want to start? You want me to,
I'll start. I'll start one. I'm going. I hope you, I
hope you buckled in for this one. Um Banshees two Men is a an
eternal pop group that uses mostly acapella to welcome the recently dead. I couldn't
even say that a normal vine. Did you hear? Like it was even
trailing off myself? Yeah? Well, well for you, I've got a
curtain blinds store called fetch Me some Shades. Alright, alright, I will
I'll see you're fetch me some shades with In an effort to reduce food costs,
and in the wake of the scandal regarding its meat, taco Bell will
now be materializing out of the air the all new Cha Tulpa. Yeah man,
think of the cost savings. Yeah, but it's the hard thing is
to you know, you gotta fly a guy from Tibet all the way.
Yeah, and he's just making I mean, they're no longer and in his
control. Yeah, no longer in his control, but in your stone.
Oh awesome. And I've got a homeopathic medicine shop called the poul Disgeist.
I'm gonna throw a pen at your face Rose, all right. I don't
know how I'm gonna because we've just been destroyed by by time. Yeah.
Time's tough, lot's talk about. But you know what, that's fine.
That's that's what happens when you're hitting the tough questions. No one has ever
tried to figure out ghost taxonomy, and we wanted to. We wanted to
involve our friends and absolutely and we win with that. Holy crap. Thank
you to everyone who replied or gave us. I mean, we can't really
name all of you, mostly because I'm not entirely sure you want to be
named. Ye Ken went over the top, so he just gets that that
he has no choice. And also my uncle Larry. But you know what
it was, it was amazing. Thank you so much for your emails.
There will be ms paint certificates for people who claim to have listened to the
totality, and we'll know if you don't. Yeah, we will know if
you did not listen to it. Yeah, we'll know if you didn't listen
to all that. So those will be forthcoming. And I've decided that we're
going to make those collectors items, those those MS paint digital certificates. Uh
so you have until December fifth to claim. That's sixty days almost. So's
it's a goodly while. Yeah, yeah, plenty of time to claim your
hollow earth. I lost two hours of my life and all I got is
this lousy MS paint certificate. But there will be more. Yeah. Absolutely.
They're like little easter eggs. Yeah, and if you collect them all
then something might Yeah reference Pokemon exactly. If you put them all together,
flip through it, it makes a little stick figure that burst into flames.
That's not going to happen, but that's an example. Yeah, we'll have
to think it through. So yeah, so there you go. Keep keep
the emails coming, keep the Facebook stuff coming. I think it was fun
to post on our Facebook page and say, yeah, what what do you
guys want to know about? Bring the heat onto us? So we keep
trying that. Yeah, don't be afraid to like us on the on the
Facebook, and us our Twitter account, yeah, and our individual pages because
we're all very interesting people. That's true. So to make a long story
long, I'm damn floor, David Stecco. This has been glory photos.
Bye. Is that your damn the