WEBVTT 1 00:00:40.320 --> 00:00:44.600 Hello, and welcome to Open Mind UFO Radio. I am your host, 2 00:00:44.679 --> 00:00:52.159 Alejandro Rojas, and we have with US podcaster Extraordinaire Martin Willis. Yo. 3 00:00:52.840 --> 00:00:57.039 So are you back in the country. I am back, and you know, 4 00:00:57.320 --> 00:01:02.960 it is cold as heck. I was in ninety weather in Russia and 5 00:01:03.159 --> 00:01:08.040 you know, seventy five eighty in Austria and now it is fifty to sixty 6 00:01:08.120 --> 00:01:15.079 degrees you're getting it's already that cold there. Yeah. I think I don't 7 00:01:15.120 --> 00:01:18.319 know why we're having some weird weather. And you know, the whole East 8 00:01:18.359 --> 00:01:23.879 Coast is bracing, you know, sou south of here, embracing for Florence, 9 00:01:23.920 --> 00:01:29.159 the hurricane. So we may get some weather from that, but we 10 00:01:29.239 --> 00:01:32.840 will have I looked in the weather, we will have some warmer days coming. 11 00:01:33.239 --> 00:01:37.239 Wow. Yeah, it's almost time to put the hosers on. You 12 00:01:37.280 --> 00:01:42.200 know, Hey, where at our hosers? I thought that was a person 13 00:01:42.280 --> 00:01:46.599 like a Canadian you call someone a hoser. I thought I didn't know it 14 00:01:46.640 --> 00:01:49.439 was actually a garment as well. Oh, yes, it's a garment that 15 00:01:49.519 --> 00:01:53.400 they call each other hosers. I don't know exactly why, you know, 16 00:01:53.480 --> 00:01:57.599 I might be totally wrong on that, but that's what I think it originated. 17 00:01:57.640 --> 00:02:04.239 The whole thing originated from Yeah, your hoose, are you so welcome 18 00:02:04.280 --> 00:02:07.439 back to the country. How is Vienna? I mean, I hear it's 19 00:02:08.159 --> 00:02:14.599 awesome. It was absolutely beautiful. It really was. It's a city where 20 00:02:15.080 --> 00:02:17.199 the only thing, you know, I'm not a smoker, and I don't 21 00:02:17.199 --> 00:02:21.960 like cigarette smoking a lot of it seems like fifty or sixty percent maybe even 22 00:02:22.039 --> 00:02:24.360 higher of the people smoked there everywhere you go, wow, cafes, you 23 00:02:24.439 --> 00:02:30.000 name it. But that being said, Edwardo was a wonderful person. I 24 00:02:30.039 --> 00:02:38.080 really enjoy hanging out with him. Very interesting guy and also him along with 25 00:02:38.199 --> 00:02:42.639 other people I got to talk to, they love it there, They love 26 00:02:42.919 --> 00:02:46.240 living in that city. They love the country and love the city and would 27 00:02:46.400 --> 00:02:53.719 live nowhere else. But it is absolutely beautiful, beautiful architecture, and it 28 00:02:53.400 --> 00:02:57.759 was just really a lot of fun. It's not surprising because people love it 29 00:02:57.840 --> 00:03:00.800 there. They talk about how wonderful it is there, And that is so 30 00:03:00.919 --> 00:03:05.199 cool that you got to meet him because he did these great posters for us, 31 00:03:05.199 --> 00:03:08.400 and of course yes, we're all such fans of his work. Great 32 00:03:08.840 --> 00:03:15.479 graphic design. Yep. And he's actually from Brazil and lived in England. 33 00:03:15.120 --> 00:03:19.240 For about four or five years and then moved ten years ago. He moved 34 00:03:19.280 --> 00:03:24.280 to Austria and he just says it's the best place in the world. He 35 00:03:24.400 --> 00:03:29.479 just loves it. Wow. So remember everybody, he did a poster for 36 00:03:29.560 --> 00:03:30.879 you. He's done one for me. I know he's done one for Ryan 37 00:03:30.960 --> 00:03:36.520 Sprague and that's right. You can purchase the T shirt with a poster he 38 00:03:36.560 --> 00:03:39.360 did for Open Mind GFO radio at our store. So if you're watching this 39 00:03:39.439 --> 00:03:45.719 on YouTube, actually you'll see those t shirts right here under the video. 40 00:03:46.360 --> 00:03:50.159 For the rest of you, you can just click the links because there's links 41 00:03:50.199 --> 00:03:52.680 in the show notes. There's links all over, or if you go to 42 00:03:52.719 --> 00:03:57.400 Open Minds to that TV you'll see a link on the upper right for branded 43 00:03:57.479 --> 00:04:00.280 products and if you go there you'll see the poster. So really cool stuff. 44 00:04:01.319 --> 00:04:03.240 That was a really good idea to make a T shirt out of that. 45 00:04:03.240 --> 00:04:05.599 I would have never thought of that. Well, you know who made 46 00:04:05.639 --> 00:04:09.800 me think of it was Ryan. Ryan made a comment that he made a 47 00:04:09.800 --> 00:04:13.360 T shirt out of his and it was selling really well, and I thought 48 00:04:13.439 --> 00:04:17.759 that is a great idea because you can also get stickers and I've sold a 49 00:04:17.759 --> 00:04:21.000 couple of those, so it's like, yeah, it gives people the opportunity 50 00:04:21.079 --> 00:04:27.759 to enjoy his work, which I know he loves. Yeah, well maybe 51 00:04:27.800 --> 00:04:30.560 I'll just have to fall in line and do the same thing. Yep. 52 00:04:30.240 --> 00:04:35.279 So what is also funny about it being cold out there is I have just 53 00:04:35.319 --> 00:04:40.680 gotten back from Las Vegas on a top secret project which I'm going to tell 54 00:04:40.720 --> 00:04:44.720 you all about, so it won't be so secret, but many aspects will 55 00:04:44.759 --> 00:04:47.600 still be secret. But I'll tell you about that in a second. But 56 00:04:47.839 --> 00:04:53.040 here in Phoenix, of course too, it's well over one hundred so it's 57 00:04:53.079 --> 00:04:56.839 still so hot that it's funny to think about that. Although I'll be at 58 00:04:56.839 --> 00:05:01.600 Devil's Tower this weekend and for their UFO event, and last year at this 59 00:05:01.759 --> 00:05:06.399 time, because it's on the same period of time, it was very, 60 00:05:06.519 --> 00:05:10.600 very cold, especially at night, freezing. As we went out with Mark 61 00:05:10.639 --> 00:05:15.639 D'Antonio to look at stars, which we're really excited to do again, I'm 62 00:05:15.680 --> 00:05:19.199 just going to have to be sure to bring my super warm clothing. Now 63 00:05:19.240 --> 00:05:26.000 do people ever talk about actual UFO sightings in that area? Yes, they 64 00:05:26.040 --> 00:05:30.680 do, wow, But I don't know that it's like there's more than usual. 65 00:05:31.199 --> 00:05:35.120 But so, but you know, people talk about UFO settings all over 66 00:05:35.120 --> 00:05:41.680 the place. Before we get further, I want to tell people who I've 67 00:05:41.680 --> 00:05:46.240 got as a guest today, and that is Chris O'Brien. So, of 68 00:05:46.240 --> 00:05:50.759 course Chris O'Brien. He runs the website Our Strange Planet. He has written 69 00:05:51.240 --> 00:05:56.879 a lot about the San Luis Valley of Colorado, where a lot of mystery 70 00:05:56.920 --> 00:06:00.360 has happened. And of course listeners who have been with me for years know 71 00:06:00.519 --> 00:06:05.160 that I've had my own experiences there and that's where my family comes from. 72 00:06:05.680 --> 00:06:11.720 And so Chris and I have been talking about this on the show for a 73 00:06:11.839 --> 00:06:16.000 very long time. But he's got something really cool going on. It's called 74 00:06:16.040 --> 00:06:23.120 the UFO Data Acquisition project that he's beginning in the San Luis Valley. And 75 00:06:23.360 --> 00:06:27.759 this is not too dissimilar from what other people have said that they want to 76 00:06:27.759 --> 00:06:33.000 do, including Mark d Antonio with Uphotag or another group of researchers, some 77 00:06:33.040 --> 00:06:36.800 of whom are with to the Stars or worked with Bigelow, that have this 78 00:06:36.920 --> 00:06:45.199 organization called UFO Data, where they wanted to take cameras and other sensing devices 79 00:06:45.560 --> 00:06:49.160 to be able to grab data while there are UFO sittings and or you know, 80 00:06:49.279 --> 00:06:54.399 triangulate these cameras so they can get video of these UFO sidings. What 81 00:06:54.560 --> 00:06:59.560 the difference is and what's more exciting about what Chris is doing is that he's 82 00:07:00.360 --> 00:07:04.959 leave Roland. He actually has finished his devices, He's constructed them. He's 83 00:07:05.000 --> 00:07:10.600 got a couple he will be deploying here soon and he does have a go 84 00:07:10.839 --> 00:07:15.800 fundme to raise some money to build a couple more. But he's also made 85 00:07:15.800 --> 00:07:20.000 these very affordable, so it's a very practical project. It's something you know, 86 00:07:20.079 --> 00:07:25.079 we've been waiting and you know, hopefully I don't upset anybody. We've 87 00:07:25.120 --> 00:07:28.120 been waiting a long time for these other projects to come up with something, 88 00:07:28.160 --> 00:07:30.920 and they've been working and working and working. In Chris, he's like the 89 00:07:31.279 --> 00:07:36.120 horse that races up from the race from behind and wins the race. He's 90 00:07:36.160 --> 00:07:41.319 the first out of the gate. And I'm really impressed with what he's put 91 00:07:41.360 --> 00:07:44.240 together. Yeah, yeah, I talked to him a little bit about it. 92 00:07:44.240 --> 00:07:48.319 He actually visited me here in Maine and cool. Yeah, we went 93 00:07:48.360 --> 00:07:54.199 out on the lake in my boat, which actually broke down in the middle 94 00:07:54.199 --> 00:07:57.759 of the lake and we were stranded. You're a kidding, no, but 95 00:07:57.839 --> 00:08:01.079 he saved us. He was he was pretending to be a pirate. He 96 00:08:01.160 --> 00:08:05.519 was acting like a nut and standing on the bow, up on the bow 97 00:08:05.600 --> 00:08:07.839 with the two life preservers, waving his arms back and forth. Someone someone 98 00:08:07.920 --> 00:08:13.040 actually came and saved us. Really, yeah, oh my goad, gosh, 99 00:08:13.199 --> 00:08:16.680 save the day. You have a lot of funny stories like this where 100 00:08:16.759 --> 00:08:24.360 things seem to go wrong. I'm proud of it. Well, you know, 101 00:08:24.480 --> 00:08:28.079 the boat was such an easy fix it. It just took two seconds 102 00:08:28.079 --> 00:08:31.720 to fix it and I just couldn't figure it out at the time. But 103 00:08:31.839 --> 00:08:35.480 anyway, that is, you know, it was memorable. I will say 104 00:08:35.480 --> 00:08:39.200 that he's really a character. Oh it's a lot of fun. He is 105 00:08:39.279 --> 00:08:43.240 a character, no doubt. And he'll be there this weekend at the Devil's 106 00:08:43.240 --> 00:08:46.720 Tower as well. So it's going to be cool to see him doing his 107 00:08:46.879 --> 00:08:50.639 talk about this project. So everybody will be able to care about that. 108 00:08:52.159 --> 00:08:56.759 And I fully endorsed this project. I really think that Chris is someone who's 109 00:08:56.759 --> 00:09:00.559 trustworthy, that he's already created these things and he's going to be rolling. 110 00:09:00.960 --> 00:09:07.080 So I think that this is a good place for people to help out if 111 00:09:07.080 --> 00:09:09.039 they have a few dollars, because I think that this is an effort that 112 00:09:09.120 --> 00:09:13.879 will be fruitful. But we'll hear more about it coming up here. And 113 00:09:13.879 --> 00:09:18.639 I do I do agree Chris, just from him staying in my guest house 114 00:09:18.679 --> 00:09:22.360 for a while and all that. Very very trustworthy and honorable guy. So 115 00:09:22.519 --> 00:09:26.320 if anyone's thinking about donating, he's you can feel very comfortable about that. 116 00:09:26.879 --> 00:09:31.679 He can be honre He's definitely got but he's still he's still a very honest 117 00:09:31.720 --> 00:09:37.960 guy. Yeah, very honest, honest, honest, all right, And 118 00:09:39.000 --> 00:09:41.639 he's he's not shy. He knows he can be here and he's yeah, 119 00:09:43.320 --> 00:09:48.240 that's funny, all right. So, uh, let's get into some UFO 120 00:09:48.360 --> 00:09:52.360 news. What do you got for me? But well, I got from 121 00:09:52.559 --> 00:10:00.639 our good old friend Luis Alasondo. There's an article on medium dot com and 122 00:10:01.120 --> 00:10:03.080 it's really a great article. I hope people will get a chance to read 123 00:10:03.080 --> 00:10:09.840 through it and why why unidentified aerial phenomena are national security risk and also an 124 00:10:09.879 --> 00:10:16.799 opportunity for progress. That's the title of his his article here, and so 125 00:10:16.840 --> 00:10:20.360 he basically talks about a careers. A career's worth of intelligence work for the 126 00:10:20.440 --> 00:10:24.879 US government has taught him. One key lesson national security is a lot like 127 00:10:24.919 --> 00:10:30.200 playing a game of chess. You have to anticipate your opponents every move in 128 00:10:30.919 --> 00:10:35.600 order to remain a step ahead. So and disclosing your strategy will be used 129 00:10:35.639 --> 00:10:39.960 against you. But if you recognize certain opportunities, you can win the match. 130 00:10:41.559 --> 00:10:46.639 So he basically talks about when he was getting involved in the Advanced the 131 00:10:46.000 --> 00:10:54.120 Advanced Aerosmith Threat Identification a t i P. And he worked as uh, 132 00:10:54.519 --> 00:11:01.080 you know, with the team to assess whether you know, these were actually 133 00:11:01.159 --> 00:11:05.960 a threat. And he just kind of puts it in a familiar way of 134 00:11:07.000 --> 00:11:09.840 like a board game and what they had to do, the back and forth. 135 00:11:11.000 --> 00:11:18.120 But he also says there are risks and keeping that information classified. Say 136 00:11:18.159 --> 00:11:20.759 the person who first learned how to harness the fire never shared it with the 137 00:11:20.799 --> 00:11:24.639 next generation, or the person who invented the telescope threw it away when he 138 00:11:24.720 --> 00:11:28.440 was done using it. And what if the creator of the wheel decided it 139 00:11:28.440 --> 00:11:33.240 was too labor intensive for others to build and decided to forget it. And 140 00:11:33.279 --> 00:11:35.360 I get exactly what he's saying. And oftentimes I wonder, you know, 141 00:11:35.480 --> 00:11:41.279 like if a certain person was never born, you know, like Einstein, 142 00:11:41.360 --> 00:11:43.519 What if Einstein was never born, you know, where would we be now? 143 00:11:45.080 --> 00:11:50.039 Some people just absolutely shape where we are in our future and all that 144 00:11:50.519 --> 00:11:52.320 well, as he goes on to say, as a species, we're meant 145 00:11:52.320 --> 00:11:58.120 to evolve, and we needed to. We needed those advancements to get where 146 00:11:58.120 --> 00:12:05.480 we are today. Reports of strange crafts with seemingly un unexplicable properties have been 147 00:12:05.519 --> 00:12:09.480 circulating within the US government for at least seventy years, which suggests it is 148 00:12:09.519 --> 00:12:16.320 not going away. There's something out there, and declassifying certain information about up 149 00:12:16.759 --> 00:12:22.080 UAP and sharing it with the public could lead to new technology discoveries, new 150 00:12:22.200 --> 00:12:26.600 forms of medical research, and or broad a view of how humanity understands reality. 151 00:12:26.120 --> 00:12:28.519 So, I mean, he makes so many good points in this. 152 00:12:28.960 --> 00:12:33.759 Have you read through this? Actually? Oh yeah, I've read through and 153 00:12:33.799 --> 00:12:41.039 dissect it and reread different parts because I think this article is very important and 154 00:12:41.080 --> 00:12:50.279 I do have it on I guess at an update or at least a little 155 00:12:50.360 --> 00:12:54.440 clue for people from behind the scenes. I do know another article's coming. 156 00:12:56.600 --> 00:13:00.159 But what I love about this article, First of all, I think he's 157 00:13:00.440 --> 00:13:03.440 right right on. I mean, he makes some really good points here, 158 00:13:05.200 --> 00:13:09.879 including at the end getting into you know, if the government doesn't share information, 159 00:13:09.039 --> 00:13:13.679 and this is a point that Jacques Valet has made even when he did 160 00:13:13.720 --> 00:13:20.600 his un talk back in the seventies. He says, essentially just this sentence 161 00:13:20.679 --> 00:13:28.240 what Aleszando said, secrecy empowers people selling their snake oil and YouTuber's profit from 162 00:13:28.320 --> 00:13:33.879 peddling their ill informed narratives about UFOs. So pretty strong statement. He went 163 00:13:33.919 --> 00:13:39.360 on and said, soon people start believing in Elvis living on mothership, just 164 00:13:39.399 --> 00:13:41.720 as they once believed you could fall off the edge of the earth. So 165 00:13:41.759 --> 00:13:46.240 the point is, if we're they're being too secretive. He's trying to explain 166 00:13:46.519 --> 00:13:52.360 why they would want to be secretive, in that we don't want dangerous information 167 00:13:52.440 --> 00:13:54.559 getting to the enemy. But at the same time he's saying that we still 168 00:13:54.639 --> 00:14:03.240 need to reveal some information because it's important for the world to grow, like 169 00:14:03.600 --> 00:14:07.159 the point you made with Einstein. So I agree with these points that he's 170 00:14:07.159 --> 00:14:13.240 making. This is also there are a number really of really important statements in 171 00:14:13.279 --> 00:14:20.840 this article. Another one is, since the government views unidentified aerial phenomena UAPs 172 00:14:20.320 --> 00:14:26.639 as a potential national security issue, they're secretive by necessity. They don't want 173 00:14:26.679 --> 00:14:33.399 to reveal any information to a potential enemy. That is a very very important 174 00:14:33.440 --> 00:14:39.679 statement coming from you know, someone who investigated UFOs for the government, and 175 00:14:39.720 --> 00:14:41.840 he's saying first of all that they do see it as a potential threat, 176 00:14:43.200 --> 00:14:48.480 and second of all as a threat that requires a potential threat that requires secrecy 177 00:14:50.919 --> 00:14:56.159 and why. And I think that for US researching, maybe that's not news, 178 00:14:56.240 --> 00:15:01.240 but it's it's a statement. It's a fairly aff statement, you know, 179 00:15:01.320 --> 00:15:05.360 which is very important. We haven't had something like that. Of course, 180 00:15:05.720 --> 00:15:09.519 Nick Pope says similar things because he worked for the mod investigating UFOs. 181 00:15:09.559 --> 00:15:15.799 In fact, Nick Pope says very similar things to Elizondo throughout because they have 182 00:15:15.919 --> 00:15:20.039 these similar backgrounds. But and we get more insight into help governments and militaries, 183 00:15:20.759 --> 00:15:26.799 you know, react to this phenomena or deal with it. And so 184 00:15:28.759 --> 00:15:31.279 it's as much a conversation to the public as I think it is to his 185 00:15:31.440 --> 00:15:39.720 colleagues as to why we need to at least be talking with the public about 186 00:15:39.720 --> 00:15:45.840 this and sharing some information with the public and hopefully more information will come out. 187 00:15:45.879 --> 00:15:50.080 But yeah, what a great article, I thought, right, right, 188 00:15:50.159 --> 00:15:54.320 And you know, I've heard Stan Freeman say something similar along the lines 189 00:15:54.399 --> 00:15:58.240 like, you know, we wouldn't want if we were able to back engineer, 190 00:15:58.279 --> 00:16:02.639 we would not want that. Me hands and so I get that part 191 00:16:02.639 --> 00:16:07.519 of it too. If there was some type of parallel to that, I 192 00:16:07.600 --> 00:16:11.639 mean, is he is he stating anything along those lines, not necessarily back 193 00:16:11.720 --> 00:16:17.320 engineering, But I know one of the things to the Stars has claimed is 194 00:16:17.399 --> 00:16:21.720 that they would like to sort of back engineer by how something is, you 195 00:16:21.759 --> 00:16:26.759 know, operating, And I can't quite understand exactly what they mean by that. 196 00:16:27.159 --> 00:16:33.639 Did you have any more information on that back engineering how the objects are 197 00:16:33.679 --> 00:16:37.759 operating? Yeah, by just by observing. That's kind of about what To 198 00:16:37.879 --> 00:16:41.120 the Stars has claimed they were planning on doing. Yes, in fact, 199 00:16:41.200 --> 00:16:44.120 you know a lot of different groups have claimed to have done that. In 200 00:16:44.159 --> 00:16:51.720 fact, Stanton Friedman was hired for a project ran by Bob Woods and I 201 00:16:51.799 --> 00:16:56.960 can't remember the company. I think it was Lockheed, but or it was 202 00:16:56.039 --> 00:17:00.480 Martin Marietta. It was one of the large defense contractors, and they essentially 203 00:17:00.559 --> 00:17:06.400 had told Bob Wood, Okay, you're into UFOs. Start a project where 204 00:17:06.480 --> 00:17:10.640 you try to figure out if you can glean any technology from these UFOs. 205 00:17:10.960 --> 00:17:14.119 So it's a big deal. You know that a private corporation would do this 206 00:17:15.079 --> 00:17:19.920 publicly, and who knows private corporations may be doing this non publicly. Of 207 00:17:19.920 --> 00:17:23.799 course Bigelow has done something similar, but a lot of the move On people, 208 00:17:23.839 --> 00:17:27.279 such as John Schuster, who was a NASA engineer, they felt the 209 00:17:27.319 --> 00:17:33.519 same, what can we learn from observing these phenomena? And so they have 210 00:17:33.680 --> 00:17:37.319 observed them and there are things that they feel that they have learned. I 211 00:17:37.359 --> 00:17:41.839 think Alexander's talked about this a little bit. He doesn't like to get too 212 00:17:41.960 --> 00:17:45.599 much into it because he says, first of all, I'm not a physicist. 213 00:17:45.599 --> 00:17:52.759 Second of all, it's speculative. But what they can do is observe, 214 00:17:53.680 --> 00:18:00.799 Yeah, just by observing the performance, observing the way something maneuvers, 215 00:18:00.839 --> 00:18:11.200 and observing potential effects such as electromagnetic effects uh that physically they have on things, 216 00:18:11.640 --> 00:18:17.359 and or you know, by observing potential like auras. You know a 217 00:18:17.359 --> 00:18:22.200 lot of people talk about these things having sort of a halo of energy around 218 00:18:22.279 --> 00:18:29.799 them and that can be give them clues. So from the observations that they 219 00:18:29.839 --> 00:18:36.240 have, including the videos which have been released that I know, they do 220 00:18:36.279 --> 00:18:41.839 feel that they have been able to glean they have some theories that they want 221 00:18:41.920 --> 00:18:51.519 to move down. And these theories fit their theoretical theories as to how you 222 00:18:51.559 --> 00:18:56.920 know, anti gravity may work and so or at least anti gravity type of 223 00:18:56.960 --> 00:19:03.799 effect, so or I guess a propulsion that yeah, does give them clues 224 00:19:03.880 --> 00:19:07.680 to technologies they may be able to develop, or at least help them head 225 00:19:07.720 --> 00:19:11.920 down the road. You know. And on this point, even with Star 226 00:19:12.000 --> 00:19:18.720 Trek, Star Trek was a television show. But the reason we have and 227 00:19:18.960 --> 00:19:25.839 there has been studies, there have been lectures on this, The reason you 228 00:19:25.880 --> 00:19:30.960 know, the technology we have is similar to Star Trek is not that necessarily 229 00:19:30.000 --> 00:19:37.119 Star Trek was insightful into where we were headed. It was more that the 230 00:19:37.279 --> 00:19:45.000 engineers were inspired by the technologies you know that they created into Star Trek, 231 00:19:45.359 --> 00:19:52.519 and so engineers moved towards creating those things and so fascinating. Yeah, and 232 00:19:52.559 --> 00:19:55.559 that is an interesting phenomenon because that would be the question, Wow, they 233 00:19:55.559 --> 00:19:57.359 were really good at particular the future. Well, no, they were actually 234 00:19:57.400 --> 00:20:06.519 really good at shaping the future. So observations or even you know, creative 235 00:20:06.920 --> 00:20:15.400 brainstorming or entertainment can't influence the evolution of technology. So yeah, certainly the 236 00:20:15.440 --> 00:20:18.359 observations. I think that's an interesting thing to think about too, because if 237 00:20:19.160 --> 00:20:29.279 we are observing advanced civilizations, then they would likely be aware because that's a 238 00:20:29.279 --> 00:20:33.519 big deal. With us. You know, when we're when scientists are examining 239 00:20:33.599 --> 00:20:41.799 a phenomena. You know, it's documented that there's an observer effect, the 240 00:20:41.839 --> 00:20:49.400 observer effects what they're observing, and so they will they should be aware of 241 00:20:49.440 --> 00:20:55.559 that, So they should be They would make sense that they would know that 242 00:20:55.599 --> 00:21:00.960 they're having an effect on us. Interesting. Huh yeah, really interesting. 243 00:21:00.319 --> 00:21:07.240 And there's also two The stars released the it's kind of condensed, and but 244 00:21:07.720 --> 00:21:12.160 they released his moufon Alixander's moufon talk. Yes, And I know some people 245 00:21:12.160 --> 00:21:17.039 thought this was boring and I'm not sure why because I don't get it. 246 00:21:17.359 --> 00:21:22.799 I mean, what he is doing is talking about how the government looked at 247 00:21:22.839 --> 00:21:26.279 the UFO phenomena, how they tackled it, how they broke it down, 248 00:21:26.720 --> 00:21:32.279 and how they decided they needed to investigate and why. And I mean it's 249 00:21:32.920 --> 00:21:40.160 extraordinary insight into, you know, how the government would tackle this issue, 250 00:21:41.000 --> 00:21:47.799 and it's great insight into how a professional way in investigating this, especially from 251 00:21:47.839 --> 00:21:52.799 people who have resources. I mean, it's extraordinary that we've got this guy, 252 00:21:52.920 --> 00:21:56.559 after decades of being told that the government doesn't care about UFOs, We've 253 00:21:56.559 --> 00:22:00.640 got this guy who worked at the Pentagon doing the stuff giving us this incredible 254 00:22:00.640 --> 00:22:06.400 information and these these are amazing times. You know, a lot of researchers, 255 00:22:06.440 --> 00:22:10.920 I know George Napp feels this way as well, are just like wow, 256 00:22:11.400 --> 00:22:14.960 you know this is amazing that this is happening right now. And sorry, 257 00:22:15.119 --> 00:22:21.119 real quick, Uh I did get to I've got oh my secret project. 258 00:22:21.440 --> 00:22:22.759 Oh geez, we only have a few minutes. Yeah, so I 259 00:22:22.799 --> 00:22:27.400 better get that in the secret project was in Las Vegas. Essentially it was 260 00:22:27.440 --> 00:22:33.200 for a friend and family premiere of Hunt for the Skinwalker. So I did 261 00:22:33.240 --> 00:22:37.079 get an interview with Jeremy and an interview with George Knapp that we'll be posting 262 00:22:38.039 --> 00:22:42.680 on Den of Geek and on Open Minds and so we've got a lot of 263 00:22:42.680 --> 00:22:48.720 stuff to hype up the movie. But the movie's great, and so it 264 00:22:48.799 --> 00:22:53.359 was really cool to see George and all of those guys. But yeah, 265 00:22:53.400 --> 00:23:00.680 even more insight into how weird you know these government investigations got. Yeah, 266 00:23:00.960 --> 00:23:04.279 yeah, I know. There was something revealed too that the government was actually 267 00:23:04.319 --> 00:23:14.759 involved in the research there. Yeah, really that was not revealed here so 268 00:23:15.000 --> 00:23:18.920 much like I've been talking about this because George Knapp really revealed this, but 269 00:23:19.000 --> 00:23:26.400 it was very it was hidden somewhat. In an article on KLAS, he 270 00:23:26.519 --> 00:23:33.039 talked about how we just discovered that this discovernment program was centered here in Nevada, 271 00:23:33.559 --> 00:23:38.880 and what he was talking about was Bigelow. So he revealed that this 272 00:23:40.160 --> 00:23:47.799 cooperation had been going back for years and included research such as the Skinwalker Ranch. 273 00:23:48.039 --> 00:23:53.200 So really that was the first kind of outing of that, but they 274 00:23:53.200 --> 00:23:57.440 get more into it in this film, and this film is really you know, 275 00:23:57.559 --> 00:24:03.319 outing that or discussing that in a bigger arena. But you're right, 276 00:24:03.400 --> 00:24:07.200 that's what also makes this film so significant is that you know, the Skinwalker 277 00:24:07.279 --> 00:24:11.839 Ranch, it turns out, was funded by the government. Yeah, amazing, 278 00:24:12.240 --> 00:24:18.519 m m yep, all good stuff. Boy, Yeah, boy, 279 00:24:18.559 --> 00:24:22.480 this this news thing went by really fast today, didn't it. It just 280 00:24:22.519 --> 00:24:26.400 about out of time. I know, it flew and it's such exciting news. 281 00:24:26.400 --> 00:24:30.000 But I guess we'll just talk about more news next time. But I 282 00:24:30.039 --> 00:24:33.200 guess we are out of time, so we need to get to our interview. 283 00:24:33.200 --> 00:24:40.000 But once again, thank you so much for joining us today. That's 284 00:24:40.000 --> 00:24:42.160 always a pleasure and you know that. Yes, well, I'm glad you 285 00:24:42.200 --> 00:24:48.720 find it that way. It is for me as well. Awesome. All 286 00:24:48.880 --> 00:24:52.640 right, Well let's go ahead and get into our interview with Chris O'Brien right 287 00:24:52.680 --> 00:25:18.160 after this break. Hello, and welcome back to Open Minds CUFO Radio. 288 00:25:18.279 --> 00:25:22.880 I am your host, Alejandro Rojas, and I am happy to have back 289 00:25:22.960 --> 00:25:29.359 on the show. Chris O'Brien. Hello, mister O'Brien, good to be 290 00:25:29.440 --> 00:25:33.519 back. Yes, and it's exciting what you're working on, and for several 291 00:25:33.599 --> 00:25:38.759 reasons. But we'll go ahead and introduce that. But so, of course 292 00:25:38.759 --> 00:25:41.880 your specialty, and some people may have forgotten. I don't know, because 293 00:25:42.599 --> 00:25:48.079 you it's been a while. You know, one of your earlier research and 294 00:25:48.119 --> 00:25:52.000 what you really got known for is San Luis Valley, which is in Colorado, 295 00:25:52.079 --> 00:26:00.960 which is pretty strange, almost like a big skin walker ranch. Yeah, 296 00:26:00.240 --> 00:26:03.559 supersized, Yeah, supersize. So maybe you could tell people about the 297 00:26:03.640 --> 00:26:11.160 valley. Well, yeah, it is America's best kept paranormal secret by by 298 00:26:11.240 --> 00:26:18.160 far leaps and bounds. It sits at an average height of about seven five 299 00:26:18.240 --> 00:26:23.880 hundred feet and it's geologically about one hundred and forty five miles long seventy miles 300 00:26:23.920 --> 00:26:29.799 wide at its widest point, kind of looks like a giant football flattened out 301 00:26:30.000 --> 00:26:34.960 but surrounded by you know, eleven twelve thousand to fourteen thousand foot high mountains, 302 00:26:36.759 --> 00:26:40.920 and it sits right there at the bottom in the center of Colorado, 303 00:26:41.039 --> 00:26:45.160 right right at the border, and at the very southern end of the valley, 304 00:26:45.160 --> 00:26:48.680 of course, is the world famous New Mexico art colony of Taos with 305 00:26:48.759 --> 00:26:55.200 the Taos Pueblo. And that's about as far north as the Spanish got in 306 00:26:55.240 --> 00:27:03.759 the fifteen and sixteen hundreds before spending two hundred years getting the nerve up to 307 00:27:03.799 --> 00:27:07.200 go north into the valley. I moved there in nineteen eighty nine. I 308 00:27:07.279 --> 00:27:12.279 knew about the valley. I just happened to arrive there. Coincidentally, I'd 309 00:27:12.279 --> 00:27:17.440 moved out from the East coast to Santa Fe, and I just I instantly 310 00:27:17.480 --> 00:27:21.359 didn't like living there in Santa Fe. Kind of the universe was telling me 311 00:27:21.400 --> 00:27:23.880 that it wasn't right for me. I saw two fatal car accidents and a 312 00:27:23.880 --> 00:27:29.039 guy get hit by a bus. It was just really not good, you 313 00:27:29.079 --> 00:27:33.279 know. All the signs were that I should look for somewhere else. So 314 00:27:33.839 --> 00:27:37.920 my girlfriend and I had friends that lived up in Crestone, this cool little 315 00:27:37.160 --> 00:27:41.400 mining town up in the San Luis Valley, and they had an extra couple 316 00:27:41.440 --> 00:27:42.160 of bedrooms, and they said, once, come on up and check it 317 00:27:42.200 --> 00:27:45.400 out. And you know, if you don't like it, there's plenty of 318 00:27:45.440 --> 00:27:48.799 other places around here you might like Pagosa and Waallsenburg and other places. And 319 00:27:49.279 --> 00:27:52.960 I ended up living there for thirteen years, and starting in ninety two through 320 00:27:53.000 --> 00:27:56.759 two thousand and two, when I moved out, I did a ten year 321 00:27:56.799 --> 00:28:02.640 investigation of the valley that resulted in three books. One was a bestseller, 322 00:28:03.400 --> 00:28:10.119 The Mysterious Valley, and I really dug into just the most bewildering and amazing 323 00:28:10.240 --> 00:28:15.559 array of paranormal events I think unrivaled anywhere in the United States. At least. 324 00:28:15.920 --> 00:28:22.039 There's a variety and intensity of unusual, unexplained experiences and reports there that's 325 00:28:22.079 --> 00:28:26.839 unrivaled anywhere in the country. Everything from hundreds of UFO sidings over the time 326 00:28:26.880 --> 00:28:33.960 period, dozens and dozens of cattle mutilations, flying humanoids, trooping fairies, 327 00:28:34.680 --> 00:28:40.759 could crime, weird weather, aber and social behavior. The list goes on 328 00:28:40.839 --> 00:28:47.799 and on, cryptos stuff, bigfoot, unexplained dimensional type, portal activity, 329 00:28:48.440 --> 00:28:51.720 Native American sacred sites. The list goes on and on and on, and 330 00:28:52.079 --> 00:28:56.200 that's why I wrote three books about it. So anyway, I have always 331 00:28:56.799 --> 00:29:00.119 ever since I started getting involved in the early nineties there, I've always had 332 00:29:00.119 --> 00:29:10.480 this this just wish and goal of attempting to put together a surveillance net around 333 00:29:10.519 --> 00:29:12.799 the valley. The valley is so open and so you know, it's just 334 00:29:12.839 --> 00:29:17.359 so pristine there. If you get up on the foothills, you can see 335 00:29:17.400 --> 00:29:22.599 almost three hundred miles and it's just unencumbered. There's no there's no trees in 336 00:29:22.640 --> 00:29:29.240 the middle of the valley, very few trees, there's no know, nothing 337 00:29:29.279 --> 00:29:33.079 blocks your line of sight to the horizon. And so initially when I tried 338 00:29:33.079 --> 00:29:37.240 to cost out what it would cost to put in a triangulated or two or 339 00:29:37.279 --> 00:29:42.839 three camera surveillance net there, the cost was somewhere upwards of a million dollars 340 00:29:44.119 --> 00:29:47.359 to do it properly with a level of technology, and the cost of that 341 00:29:47.400 --> 00:29:51.400 technology back in the nineties. Now that cost is all the way down and 342 00:29:51.400 --> 00:29:55.400 we can do it. We're going to be end up spending about ten twelve 343 00:29:55.480 --> 00:30:00.279 thousand dollars to do this project. And not only do we have pan till 344 00:30:00.440 --> 00:30:06.759 zoom cameras that are being operated automatically by software, but we also have these 345 00:30:07.119 --> 00:30:14.319 we call them ms MS DAU or multi sensor data acquisition units, which have 346 00:30:15.000 --> 00:30:19.079 equipment in there that will measure changes in the Earth's magnetic field, changes in 347 00:30:19.119 --> 00:30:25.920 the Earth's gravitational field. We're going to have it all plugged into Flight Radar 348 00:30:26.000 --> 00:30:30.480 twenty four, which will automatically tell us if anything flying around has got transponders 349 00:30:30.720 --> 00:30:34.480 like you know, regular commercial aviation and military flights, that sort of thing. 350 00:30:34.880 --> 00:30:38.240 We're going to be plugged into the NASA Medior site. We're gonna be 351 00:30:38.279 --> 00:30:41.400 plugged into space dot Com, so if we do have events, we can 352 00:30:41.440 --> 00:30:45.279 go back and look at satellite imaging of the area during the time period that 353 00:30:45.319 --> 00:30:51.319 we're interested in. This is historic, Alejandro. No one has ever done 354 00:30:51.400 --> 00:30:57.759 this before. It's groundbreaking. I posted stuff on the internet, you know, 355 00:30:57.880 --> 00:31:00.799 about our gofund project, and you know, pictures of the gear and 356 00:31:00.839 --> 00:31:04.519 stuff, and it was like, I couldn't believe the aroaring silence, because 357 00:31:04.559 --> 00:31:10.000 everybody is either they're either I don't know, in a state of waking coma, 358 00:31:10.480 --> 00:31:14.559 or they have it's going totally over their head how important this could be. 359 00:31:15.480 --> 00:31:18.680 But very few people have given me an ada boy and hey, way 360 00:31:18.720 --> 00:31:23.160 to go. It's a little disheartening. I think people are more interested in 361 00:31:23.240 --> 00:31:30.279 going to hoax sites and watching bad character generated images. There's definitely that. 362 00:31:30.400 --> 00:31:32.839 I mean, I have that problem with the show because we like to stick 363 00:31:32.880 --> 00:31:36.240 with more credible stuff, so you know, everybody wants to hear about the 364 00:31:36.359 --> 00:31:41.000 real wacky, crazy speculation it's instead of the hard stuff. But I think 365 00:31:41.240 --> 00:31:45.640 the other problem you have is a little bit of fatigue in that, you 366 00:31:45.680 --> 00:31:48.960 know, we've had these other organizations and people probably are like, oh, 367 00:31:48.960 --> 00:31:52.680 we've heard this before because we've had these other organizations say they're going to do 368 00:31:52.759 --> 00:31:56.680 this, but you are much further along. I mean, you have the 369 00:31:56.799 --> 00:32:00.279 hardware ready to roll, whereas these other groups you say they're going to do 370 00:32:00.319 --> 00:32:04.759 something thing similar still after all these years, don't have anything to show for 371 00:32:04.799 --> 00:32:09.440 it. Yeah, and we won't mention any names, but ye yes, 372 00:32:09.559 --> 00:32:15.920 And we were very very fortunate to get our newest team member, a computer 373 00:32:15.960 --> 00:32:22.799 engineer and inventor and software designer named Ron olsch Out in California. He has 374 00:32:22.920 --> 00:32:31.640 put in over five thousand hours designing our detect motion follow motion, you know, 375 00:32:31.759 --> 00:32:37.799 motion tracking, and also sending signals to the other cameras so that they 376 00:32:37.559 --> 00:32:43.200 zoom in on the object. So we have three cameras operating looking at a 377 00:32:43.200 --> 00:32:46.759 particular event, and we go into record mode. At that point, emails 378 00:32:46.799 --> 00:32:51.720 are sent to you know, the three principles in the project myself, we're 379 00:32:51.720 --> 00:32:57.279 on in Wayne Hollandbeck. We're getting alerts in real time. And when we 380 00:32:57.319 --> 00:33:01.200 have the MS dau pas, you know, all out there in the field, 381 00:33:01.480 --> 00:33:07.240 they will then go into record mode and record all those scientific changes in 382 00:33:07.279 --> 00:33:10.000 the energy fields that I was referring to. Later or earlier, and then 383 00:33:10.079 --> 00:33:15.240 later we're going to have a We have other things planned too. We want 384 00:33:15.279 --> 00:33:22.200 to do kind of a clandestine poltse gradar. We want to have telescopes on 385 00:33:22.880 --> 00:33:28.880 pan and tilt platforms. We want analogue optical gear that has blazed gratings that 386 00:33:28.920 --> 00:33:32.960 separate the light into the light spectra. This is science, folks. This 387 00:33:34.000 --> 00:33:37.440 is not throwing hub caps in the air and sitting at your computer drawing light 388 00:33:37.480 --> 00:33:42.599 bulbs flying around, punch whole clouds, that sort of thing. This is 389 00:33:42.680 --> 00:33:46.440 real science. If we can replicate the data that we get on more than 390 00:33:46.480 --> 00:33:51.559 one event, we will do what Skinwalker Ranch scientists couldn't do, and that 391 00:33:51.720 --> 00:33:54.519 is actually write a paper and get you know, combine our efforts with a 392 00:33:54.559 --> 00:34:02.920 real credited scientist, an optical physicist in other scientific disciplines to actually do a 393 00:34:02.920 --> 00:34:08.199 paper and publish it. This has never ever been done before. This is 394 00:34:08.239 --> 00:34:12.840 potentially historic. I am so proud to be a part of this team. 395 00:34:12.960 --> 00:34:15.559 I am so proud of Ron Olsch. He's written over ten thousand lines of 396 00:34:15.639 --> 00:34:22.239 code. The software is a poor man's military targeting software, if you will. 397 00:34:22.880 --> 00:34:24.719 And you know, I could go on and on and on talking about 398 00:34:24.760 --> 00:34:28.920 the actual technical side of this, but basically, what we're going to be 399 00:34:28.920 --> 00:34:37.239 able to do is capture hard scientific data of anomalous aerial object events. Well 400 00:34:37.320 --> 00:34:40.599 and at your GoFundMe and other cool thing that you have just to kind of 401 00:34:40.599 --> 00:34:45.039 show along. First you have pictures of the equipment I'm ready to roll, 402 00:34:45.679 --> 00:34:49.880 and then you also have a video which I think is really cool. Further 403 00:34:50.280 --> 00:34:53.360 kind of acknowledgment that you all are ready to roll, that you're far along, 404 00:34:53.880 --> 00:34:59.480 that this motion tracking software video that you posted there is really cool. 405 00:35:00.360 --> 00:35:05.119 Yeah, it's like poor man's military targeting software basically, but the SLEW rate 406 00:35:05.159 --> 00:35:07.960 here work even though it's only yeah, it's only targeting a plane. I 407 00:35:07.960 --> 00:35:12.920 mean, Ron lives you know in the valley there in southern Colorado or southern 408 00:35:12.960 --> 00:35:16.840 California rather, and so he doesn't have the ability to track fast moving objects 409 00:35:16.880 --> 00:35:20.840 like we're going to be seen in the valley. However, we have tested 410 00:35:20.840 --> 00:35:25.760 the slew rate for the panning of the cameras and we can follow a really 411 00:35:25.800 --> 00:35:31.639 fast motion. I'm not exactly sure what our slew rates are. It depends 412 00:35:31.719 --> 00:35:35.920 obviously on the size of the object, the distance from the camera, and 413 00:35:35.960 --> 00:35:39.320 how fast it's traveling, but I estimate at between thirty and forty miles. 414 00:35:39.400 --> 00:35:44.079 Something traveling ten thousand miles an hour will easily be able to be tracked. 415 00:35:45.840 --> 00:35:50.079 And other other instrumentation that we're looking at too. It's very important for people 416 00:35:50.079 --> 00:35:55.519 to understand that the UFO events or UAP events have other things going on that 417 00:35:55.559 --> 00:36:00.480 the human senses can't pick up. In other words, compressed time ghost imaging 418 00:36:01.199 --> 00:36:07.880 objects moving around faster than the human eye can can perceive. Also, acoustic 419 00:36:07.960 --> 00:36:14.519 signatures all the way down to ten cycles, extremely long, huge base waves 420 00:36:14.519 --> 00:36:19.679 if you will, extremely little frequency waves that when objects do dramatic turns, 421 00:36:19.920 --> 00:36:24.159 right hand turns, reversal of direction at high speed, they're impacting the actual 422 00:36:24.199 --> 00:36:30.280 atmosphere sonically, and if you have the proper PZM plate mic set up, 423 00:36:30.519 --> 00:36:36.039 you can actually record these acoustic signatures of these objects when they're making these dramatic 424 00:36:36.039 --> 00:36:39.079 turns. So and this is something that many people know in the field, 425 00:36:39.119 --> 00:36:42.920 even you know, some scientists aren't even aware of this, I think. 426 00:36:43.440 --> 00:36:45.559 And so, you know, we do have plans for Phase two to go 427 00:36:45.639 --> 00:36:52.239 into even more exotic recording technology that include, like I said, the acoustic 428 00:36:52.280 --> 00:36:57.880 wave of signature recordings. And also if people would get off their assets and 429 00:36:57.920 --> 00:37:01.639 we can get some really good deep pocket we could have long range nitrogen cool 430 00:37:02.199 --> 00:37:08.599 forward looking infrared and actually get some real good heat signature data with you know, 431 00:37:08.639 --> 00:37:12.639 twenty thousand dollars Flaer cameras. People say, well, Flair is a 432 00:37:12.679 --> 00:37:15.599 dead expensive. Yeah, if you want a Fleer camera that looks at fifty 433 00:37:15.599 --> 00:37:17.480 feet from you, yeah you can buy them, you know, for fairly 434 00:37:17.639 --> 00:37:22.039 expensive. But if you want something that's going to be looking at imaging objects 435 00:37:22.039 --> 00:37:25.119 out at fifty miles, it's a whole different ballgame. So anyway, we 436 00:37:25.159 --> 00:37:28.480 have a lot of plans for this. You know, if I could get 437 00:37:28.519 --> 00:37:34.840 the public to get their collective head, put their collective hands in their wallets, 438 00:37:34.880 --> 00:37:37.679 then maybe we could really take this to the next level. But hey, 439 00:37:37.800 --> 00:37:43.360 you know, it's rowing silence, lots of yawns and people going, 440 00:37:43.400 --> 00:37:45.320 oh that's cool, man. It's like, well, yeah, it is 441 00:37:45.400 --> 00:37:50.719 cool. But be a part of the solution, not a continuing part of 442 00:37:50.719 --> 00:37:54.239 the problem. Well, you know, although you say that you've done fairly 443 00:37:54.320 --> 00:37:59.719 well, I mean already you only have thirteen people donating, but they all 444 00:37:59.760 --> 00:38:02.719 put in like a big, pretty big chunk. You've got twelve hundred dollars, 445 00:38:02.719 --> 00:38:07.840 which isn't too bad. And I think what people should understand also is 446 00:38:07.199 --> 00:38:14.079 what you're talking about. The expense that you're talking about is relatively very low. 447 00:38:14.280 --> 00:38:21.119 I mean that is very inexpensive to cover what is literally the largest valley 448 00:38:21.159 --> 00:38:24.360 in the United States or mountain, you know, valley in the United States, 449 00:38:25.159 --> 00:38:28.480 no, in the world, the largest alpine valley in the world. 450 00:38:28.599 --> 00:38:35.280 Wow, we're going to be covered about five thousand square miles of aerospace unencumbered 451 00:38:36.719 --> 00:38:40.519 with no blockage, I mean horizon to horizon three hundred and sixty degrees. 452 00:38:42.480 --> 00:38:45.880 And you know, like you said, and one of the reasons another reason 453 00:38:45.880 --> 00:38:49.719 that this valley is so good for this is that it's very remote. I 454 00:38:49.760 --> 00:38:55.400 mean, Taos is pretty popular. It's Alamosa has a small college, but 455 00:38:55.480 --> 00:38:59.800 otherwise it's really small, and like you said, there are so many I 456 00:39:00.119 --> 00:39:05.079 had my first UFO siding there in that valley. My family goes back in 457 00:39:05.119 --> 00:39:07.320 the valley, and the valley is important. In fact, open Minds you 458 00:39:07.320 --> 00:39:12.280 can find tons of news about the San Luis Valley, mostly about your work. 459 00:39:14.079 --> 00:39:16.199 But you can also see on the front page my sighting because I talked 460 00:39:16.239 --> 00:39:20.639 about it at that Comic Conic Project Blue Book. So I have that video 461 00:39:20.639 --> 00:39:22.960 and the photo about my sighting. But that was in the San Luis Valley 462 00:39:23.800 --> 00:39:29.119 at the UFO Watchtower, which was created, you know, kind of before 463 00:39:30.159 --> 00:39:34.920 during the lull of really kind of UFO popularity, just because so many people 464 00:39:35.000 --> 00:39:38.639 see stuff out there right well, you know, I kind of laugh about 465 00:39:38.639 --> 00:39:43.760 the watchtower. Judy Messoline, who came up with the idea and built it, 466 00:39:44.159 --> 00:39:45.960 she had read my book The Mysterious Valley, and she called me up 467 00:39:45.960 --> 00:39:49.400 and said, Hey, what would you think if I built something there? 468 00:39:49.400 --> 00:39:52.199 And I said, Wow, that's so cool. And so you know, 469 00:39:52.239 --> 00:39:53.360 I was going to do her floor. I was going to actually do the 470 00:39:54.239 --> 00:40:00.559 an Adobe floor and therefore, but she decided to go with concrete and and 471 00:40:00.440 --> 00:40:02.920 I mean if I was going to put a watch tower somewhere, that would 472 00:40:02.960 --> 00:40:07.880 be the spot because it has a front row on the Great Sand Dunes Blanca 473 00:40:08.000 --> 00:40:16.360 and the Bacca Ranch area, which is the probably the most per capita. 474 00:40:16.400 --> 00:40:22.639 There's more UFO sidings in that section of America than any other spot, and 475 00:40:22.320 --> 00:40:25.679 in a valley that has seven or eight people per square mile, and it's 476 00:40:27.000 --> 00:40:29.320 you know, if you live in Crestone, it's one hundred and twenty miles 477 00:40:29.440 --> 00:40:32.840 round trip just to go to the supermarket. Wow, this is a This 478 00:40:32.920 --> 00:40:37.800 is a big, huge open area. And with cameras that have thirty six 479 00:40:37.840 --> 00:40:44.320 times optical zoom and then times three, we're going to be getting some really 480 00:40:44.360 --> 00:40:49.239 cool stuff. And I probably shouldn't say this, Salejandro, but I'm going 481 00:40:49.320 --> 00:40:52.679 to go out on a limb a little bit. The whole Sangrated Crystal Range, 482 00:40:52.719 --> 00:40:59.400 which is the eastern side of the valley from the middle of the valley 483 00:40:59.440 --> 00:41:02.280 up to the north part of the valley, is the western edge of the 484 00:41:02.360 --> 00:41:08.159 La Vida Low Flight Military Operations Area where we train all our Air National Guard 485 00:41:08.199 --> 00:41:16.119 pilots and we actually we testify exotic black aircraft. Don't tell anybody. I've 486 00:41:16.159 --> 00:41:22.880 had some pretty weird experiences with that aircraft out there and in the sound grated 487 00:41:22.960 --> 00:41:25.679 Christians. In fact, I think one time we heard the sonic boom before 488 00:41:25.719 --> 00:41:30.159 we saw the plane, and then we saw the plane zip by. It 489 00:41:30.199 --> 00:41:31.960 was black, I felt at the time, this was in the nineties, 490 00:41:31.960 --> 00:41:36.639 we were backpacking my way up in the hills there. I think it was 491 00:41:36.760 --> 00:41:38.599 I felt it was maybe like an s R. Seventy one or something. 492 00:41:38.639 --> 00:41:45.280 It was huge and it was black. That was a weird experience. Well, 493 00:41:45.320 --> 00:41:49.920 we're going to have a front row seat for the MTR, the military 494 00:41:49.960 --> 00:41:54.199 training route that goes north to south there along the Song Grays, and we're 495 00:41:54.199 --> 00:42:00.800 gonna be able to capture some really cool natural phenomenon. The Cristo is the 496 00:42:00.840 --> 00:42:05.679 longest continuous mountain range in the United States, is filled with courts, and 497 00:42:05.760 --> 00:42:10.719 when it gets forty below in the wintertime with five percent humidity, occasionally the 498 00:42:10.880 --> 00:42:16.480 courts will discharge up into the atmosphere, these piezo electric discharge static discharges, 499 00:42:16.960 --> 00:42:21.480 and to my knowledge, no one has ever been able to photograph that. 500 00:42:22.000 --> 00:42:28.480 So it would be historic from an actual geological scientific point of view to be 501 00:42:28.519 --> 00:42:32.960 able to record those. Number one number two. We have I think earthquake 502 00:42:34.079 --> 00:42:39.480 fault lights that people like William Corlis, Paul Devereux, Michael Persinger have talked 503 00:42:39.519 --> 00:42:45.559 about as being a possible explanation for some, not all, some UFO siding 504 00:42:45.639 --> 00:42:51.480 reports. And also the area just north and west of the Great Sand Dunes 505 00:42:51.679 --> 00:42:55.159 right out in front of the watchtower is filled with two billion dollars worth of 506 00:42:55.199 --> 00:43:00.239 methane. Now, if the conditions are right, sometimes methane can fluoresce. 507 00:43:00.719 --> 00:43:06.800 I'm not sure what the actual scientific process is, but it's what Alan Heine 508 00:43:06.920 --> 00:43:12.679 called swamp gas. Yeah, that thing can actually create light and color when 509 00:43:12.760 --> 00:43:16.199 it is exposed to the right environmental conditions. So not only are we looking 510 00:43:16.239 --> 00:43:22.039 for anomalous aerial objects and black you know, our tax dollars flying by, 511 00:43:22.360 --> 00:43:27.559 but we're also looking at separating out the whet from the chap, separating out 512 00:43:27.719 --> 00:43:32.119 natural phenomena, things like helicopters flying by the sun hitting the canopy at the 513 00:43:32.199 --> 00:43:38.119 right angle to make it bloom into a wonderful silver orb I have a footage 514 00:43:38.119 --> 00:43:42.679 of that from our beta test that we did in twenty ten. We have 515 00:43:42.719 --> 00:43:45.239 a camera image of a small helicopter and the sun is hitting the canopy and 516 00:43:45.280 --> 00:43:50.360 it turns into this giant kind of silver orb flying by. We want to 517 00:43:50.400 --> 00:43:58.360 be able to use the data to factor out false positives and really zero in 518 00:43:58.440 --> 00:44:05.800 and drill down on what TRUFO scientific UFO research is all about. It's really 519 00:44:05.840 --> 00:44:13.199 exciting app just because and let's talk about these timelines. How soon and what 520 00:44:13.599 --> 00:44:16.199 are the next steps? So how soon will you be at deploying you know, 521 00:44:16.320 --> 00:44:22.880 actual equipment. How much money do you need to start that? And 522 00:44:23.440 --> 00:44:27.719 once you get the money, how quickly can you roll those sort of things? 523 00:44:29.039 --> 00:44:30.000 Well in a week and a half. I'm not sure when you're going 524 00:44:30.039 --> 00:44:36.639 to be broadcasting, but starting on the sixteenth of September through the twentieth that 525 00:44:36.760 --> 00:44:38.719 forty period, we're going to be putting up two cameras. One is going 526 00:44:38.760 --> 00:44:43.519 to be on a cell tower north of Mona Vista on the eastern side of 527 00:44:43.519 --> 00:44:46.159 the valley or the western side, pardon me, western side of the valley. 528 00:44:46.400 --> 00:44:51.880 One will be eighteen miles away to the east at the UFO Watchtower. 529 00:44:52.280 --> 00:44:55.920 And then I'm going to be setting up the planning stages of putting a camera 530 00:44:57.000 --> 00:45:00.079 at the Great Sand Dunes Oasis, which is low located just south of the 531 00:45:00.199 --> 00:45:05.599 entrance to the Great sand In National Park, and that triangulated array is going 532 00:45:05.639 --> 00:45:09.760 to be our main array for our first deployment. Now, there's also a 533 00:45:09.840 --> 00:45:14.119 chance that I'll be putting up a fourth camera up in crestone way high up 534 00:45:14.159 --> 00:45:16.599 on the mountains, over one thousand feet above the valley floor, to kind 535 00:45:16.599 --> 00:45:22.960 of overlook the entire triangulated camera array as a fourth kind of you know, 536 00:45:22.559 --> 00:45:28.000 God in the sky kind of camera, if you will. Now that's phase 537 00:45:28.039 --> 00:45:31.320 one is the first two cameras. Phase two will be next spring, will 538 00:45:31.320 --> 00:45:36.280 be the camera out at the Great sand Ins Oasis. And we're also going 539 00:45:36.320 --> 00:45:42.480 to be putting in our ms DAU, our multi Sensor Data Acquisition unit, 540 00:45:42.840 --> 00:45:47.960 which has the scientific gear that's going to be detecting changes in the magnetic field, 541 00:45:49.039 --> 00:45:52.480 of gravitational field, and all the things I described before. Initially we're 542 00:45:52.480 --> 00:45:58.199 not going to be putting those and we're still working out the triangulation software. 543 00:45:58.960 --> 00:46:02.360 That process is undergoing its final stages in California as we speak. We do 544 00:46:02.440 --> 00:46:07.199 have the gear already built and we have cameras that them be a mile apart 545 00:46:07.480 --> 00:46:13.920 overlooking Catalina Island up on the cliffs of San Pedro, and we're going to 546 00:46:13.920 --> 00:46:20.840 be finishing up our software development for triangulation there for the actual MSDAU units, 547 00:46:21.159 --> 00:46:24.000 and then next spring we're going to put those one, possibly two of those 548 00:46:24.079 --> 00:46:28.440 units into the Valley, and we're going to put the second, the third 549 00:46:28.559 --> 00:46:32.199 camera at the Great Sanding TWSIS, and possibly a fourth camera in Crestone those 550 00:46:32.199 --> 00:46:37.800 two cameras we already have. We already have the ms DAU units, and 551 00:46:37.719 --> 00:46:40.880 then once we get that all together, we're going to come up with a 552 00:46:40.920 --> 00:46:45.760 price list that's going to make it affordable and easy for people who live in 553 00:46:45.800 --> 00:46:51.760 a hotspot area or wherever to get their own set of cameras, their own 554 00:46:51.800 --> 00:46:57.639 set of multi sensor data acquisition units, the msda US, so that they 555 00:46:57.639 --> 00:47:02.880 can set up their own network. Yet Mount Adams, Mount Shasta, the 556 00:47:02.880 --> 00:47:08.440 White Sands in Mexico, Dolls Say, the Hudson Valley, there's all sorts 557 00:47:08.480 --> 00:47:15.000 of places that are already interested in getting these units once we demonstrate the viability 558 00:47:15.000 --> 00:47:19.800 of it. So ultimately our plan is to provide the equipment for these networks 559 00:47:19.960 --> 00:47:27.440 and slowly expand across the country in hotspot areas and then hopefully even expand worldwide, 560 00:47:27.480 --> 00:47:30.400 get some units over into Europe, get some units in South America, 561 00:47:30.800 --> 00:47:36.280 get some units in Hawaii and other places that have you know, pretty consistent 562 00:47:36.360 --> 00:47:42.159 activity. So this is not just a just the back backyard San Louis Valley's 563 00:47:42.280 --> 00:47:46.480 Vanity project by any step where we really have big plans, and of course 564 00:47:46.519 --> 00:47:52.039 it's all going to be ingined on interest, funding and these sort of things. 565 00:47:52.039 --> 00:47:55.400 In terms of funding, we don't need really too much money to do 566 00:47:55.440 --> 00:48:00.599 what we're set to do here. In a couple of weeks, have my 567 00:48:00.960 --> 00:48:07.719 my gear and I have enough expense money to travel air and actually do the 568 00:48:07.719 --> 00:48:13.159 installations, pay people to install cameras, pay internet costs, pay maintenance costs 569 00:48:13.159 --> 00:48:15.760 for the next year. All this is already covered. What we're doing now 570 00:48:15.960 --> 00:48:22.199 is trying to continue to go funding process so we can build more sensing units, 571 00:48:22.239 --> 00:48:28.039 buy more cameras, keep working on the software, make it more and 572 00:48:28.119 --> 00:48:30.639 more sophisticated. As we dial it in and we get it, we get 573 00:48:30.639 --> 00:48:36.760 it really tweaked and setting ready to go. We want to start expanding the 574 00:48:36.760 --> 00:48:40.280 capabilities we want to start adding in these new sensing units. We want to 575 00:48:40.280 --> 00:48:45.679 make sure that our interfacing with flight you know, radar twenty four and the 576 00:48:45.039 --> 00:48:51.480 NASA bull Eyed projects and stuff that we want to be working with. We 577 00:48:51.519 --> 00:48:54.159 want to make sure that we've got to do these things are integrated. So 578 00:48:54.360 --> 00:48:58.079 we got to go to break, so we'll be right back to talk more 579 00:48:58.079 --> 00:49:02.559 about this. We've got Chris O'Brien here and we're talking about this exciting project 580 00:49:02.719 --> 00:49:07.559 UFO data acquisition projects, so we'll be talking about that more as soon as 581 00:49:07.559 --> 00:49:10.320 we come back. If you're on kg R, then you'll hear some commercials. 582 00:49:10.320 --> 00:49:15.519 For the rest of you, you'll hear a short musical interlude. We'll 583 00:49:15.559 --> 00:50:17.159 be right back with Chris O'Brien. Welcome back to Open Mind GFO Radio. 584 00:50:17.320 --> 00:50:22.519 I'm your host, Alejandro Rojas, and we're talking to Chris O'Brien. And 585 00:50:22.920 --> 00:50:24.719 I don't know if you noticed this, but this is also cool about your 586 00:50:24.960 --> 00:50:30.239 gofund me, Chris, is that it says, at least currently that your 587 00:50:30.280 --> 00:50:34.960 campaign is trending. So hopefully we can keep that going because I think that 588 00:50:35.039 --> 00:50:40.159 helps you get more visibility as well. Yeah, hopefully again. I just 589 00:50:40.920 --> 00:50:46.960 I don't think people realize how significant this particular project really is. There's never 590 00:50:47.000 --> 00:50:51.719 been anything like it in the history of upology. The only thing that comes 591 00:50:51.719 --> 00:50:58.079 close is the famous or notorious Hazelin project in Norway, and what separates us 592 00:50:58.079 --> 00:51:04.039 from them is we're triangulated. They only have single units working and they pretty 593 00:51:04.079 --> 00:51:07.360 much kind of have a I think they're dialing in the fact that they're looking 594 00:51:07.400 --> 00:51:13.079 at natural phenomena there. The valley there does not have the kind of variety 595 00:51:13.159 --> 00:51:15.920 and intensity of activity that we see in the San Louis Valley in other places. 596 00:51:16.760 --> 00:51:22.360 That's what separates us from their project. But you know, again, 597 00:51:22.519 --> 00:51:27.760 we really tip our hats to Jacques Valat and his efforts in the seventies to 598 00:51:27.800 --> 00:51:31.000 try to put you know, cameras up in Happy Valley, California. Of 599 00:51:31.039 --> 00:51:37.000 course, the indomitable Ray Stanford who kind of led the wave really in seventy 600 00:51:37.000 --> 00:51:42.239 three with the Project Starlight effort. They got two million dollars together to have 601 00:51:42.320 --> 00:51:45.159 recording video cameras, lasers, radar, all sorts of stuff, and they 602 00:51:45.199 --> 00:51:52.239 had success. Ray is our chief consultant. He's one of our chief analysts 603 00:51:52.400 --> 00:51:55.239 who's going to be helping analyze our data once we start collecting it. And 604 00:51:55.840 --> 00:52:00.280 you know, Jacques play has given us some suggestions and has been very find 605 00:52:00.320 --> 00:52:04.559 and his uh, you know, his help. We have other Ron Riguer, 606 00:52:04.760 --> 00:52:07.079 of course, who worked for air Jet and Douglas Aircraft and helped design 607 00:52:07.960 --> 00:52:13.480 you know, engineering manuals for some of our most classified satellite technology, and 608 00:52:14.039 --> 00:52:16.880 you know, help design the second stage of Apollo, the Saturn five. 609 00:52:17.039 --> 00:52:22.239 And he's a very close friend and also one of our our our you know, 610 00:52:22.320 --> 00:52:25.559 really valuable advisors and consultants. So you know, we do have a 611 00:52:25.599 --> 00:52:30.480 team that's that's supporting us not only from the day to day development side, 612 00:52:30.480 --> 00:52:35.679 but also from the conceptional and and then of course once we start collecting data 613 00:52:35.840 --> 00:52:39.320 on the analytical side as well, which is also as important. Once you 614 00:52:39.519 --> 00:52:45.960 have something like is there a one place where you're going to be putting out 615 00:52:45.000 --> 00:52:52.639 information to the public as you hopefully capture interesting stuff even if you're able to 616 00:52:52.679 --> 00:52:55.719 debunk it, or even if it's not that you know, it's not exotic, 617 00:52:55.800 --> 00:53:00.280 like for example, I'm sure you're going to get because these guys are 618 00:53:00.320 --> 00:53:04.679 so huge there. If anybody goes and looks at pictures at the watch Tower 619 00:53:04.760 --> 00:53:07.039 or even go to Google and maps and look at it, you'll see pictures 620 00:53:07.039 --> 00:53:13.519 that are amazing, but you're probably gonna get great like media ripes, and 621 00:53:14.320 --> 00:53:17.719 they're just really cool, cool videos. Is there gonna be a place where 622 00:53:17.719 --> 00:53:22.079 you're going to be putting all that up. Yeah. Initially we were going 623 00:53:22.159 --> 00:53:27.559 to have a live streaming situation and that was that's really kind of you know, 624 00:53:27.639 --> 00:53:30.800 our was on our wish list. But the more we talk to the 625 00:53:30.840 --> 00:53:34.559 scientific community and people that really, you know, we respect, they they're 626 00:53:34.559 --> 00:53:37.840 telling us that you can't. You can't have a live feed because people are 627 00:53:37.840 --> 00:53:40.639 gonna grab stuff. They're gonna you know, make a big deal out of 628 00:53:40.760 --> 00:53:46.159 false positives. They'll take your footage and superimpose bad CG and claim it's real. 629 00:53:46.719 --> 00:53:51.280 It just opens up too many balls of wax. So initially, what 630 00:53:51.320 --> 00:53:54.079 we're gonna do is we're going to have a page on my website. Our 631 00:53:54.119 --> 00:53:59.760 Strange Plant will be the initial home for the project. But I want to 632 00:53:59.800 --> 00:54:06.639 put together and I'm working with a web page developer to have a dedicated page 633 00:54:06.679 --> 00:54:09.920 for the project, and each of the camera deployments will have their own section 634 00:54:10.039 --> 00:54:15.760 of the website. So the initial obviously, the initial section will be the 635 00:54:15.760 --> 00:54:20.400 San Luis Valley, the second one will be sam Pedro off Catalina Island, 636 00:54:20.760 --> 00:54:23.719 and the third hopefully we'll be up in Washington State. Around the Trout Lake 637 00:54:24.000 --> 00:54:29.000 Mount Adams area, or possibly on the other side of the cascades over at 638 00:54:29.000 --> 00:54:32.840 the Yakama Indian Reservation just north of the Hanford Nuclear site. Those are the 639 00:54:32.840 --> 00:54:37.519 first two additional places that we're looking at. So each one of those, 640 00:54:37.559 --> 00:54:40.360 once we get deployments, they will have their own session in the website. 641 00:54:40.719 --> 00:54:45.039 And as soon as we have something that we feel we've identified, let's say 642 00:54:45.079 --> 00:54:52.800 that it's not exotic like Meteor's cool bird footage that maybe had scratching our heads 643 00:54:52.800 --> 00:54:59.239 for a while, or maybe some tax dollars stuff flying by, well, 644 00:54:59.280 --> 00:55:01.119 we'll have to have to think about that. But you know, the false 645 00:55:01.159 --> 00:55:05.039 positive stuff we want to put up there and show people how you could be 646 00:55:05.119 --> 00:55:08.480 fooled by naturally occurring things and and and what to look forward to id these 647 00:55:08.519 --> 00:55:15.320 things. And once we get something really cool and exhausted, then you know, 648 00:55:15.360 --> 00:55:20.559 the whole analytical process will go full speed ahead and we'll we'll be analyzing 649 00:55:20.599 --> 00:55:25.280 the information. We'll be you know, very carefully and painstakingly logging the information 650 00:55:25.440 --> 00:55:31.400 in a scientific manner. We'll be able to then uh hopefully get some peer 651 00:55:31.400 --> 00:55:37.719 review and uh, we'll see about that. But at some point obviously, 652 00:55:37.760 --> 00:55:40.039 then this stuff will be uh, you know, we want to be as 653 00:55:40.039 --> 00:55:44.719 transparent as we as we can possibly be, and this stuff obviously will be 654 00:55:44.760 --> 00:55:49.559 made available to the public. One of the things that I've suggested is to 655 00:55:49.559 --> 00:55:54.280 have a second camera along with the real, you know, heavy duty scientific 656 00:55:54.320 --> 00:56:00.000 camera, but have a second camera that that is streaming live on the internet 657 00:56:00.079 --> 00:56:02.599 so people can kind of tune in when they want, but doesn't have all 658 00:56:02.639 --> 00:56:07.480 the bells and whistles that the expensive gear has. Yeah, because it does 659 00:56:07.599 --> 00:56:15.159 make sense. Unfortunately, as you and I know and are always frustrated with, 660 00:56:15.280 --> 00:56:21.199 there are so many people who do fake videos and they're very popular and 661 00:56:21.400 --> 00:56:25.079 you know, we have to feel questions about these stupid fake video sites all 662 00:56:25.119 --> 00:56:30.199 the time because they're out there. So it's unfortunately a really big concern that 663 00:56:30.320 --> 00:56:35.679 I'm sure you know, whoever advice you is right and you know this as 664 00:56:35.719 --> 00:56:38.760 well, that people will take your videos and then add cg UFOs and claim 665 00:56:38.800 --> 00:56:43.679 they're real, and unfortunately more people are prone to believe that than the real 666 00:56:43.719 --> 00:56:51.039 stuff. It's funny how that works, isn't jeez. Well, yeah, 667 00:56:51.159 --> 00:56:55.239 that is a major concern, and you know, we do really want this 668 00:56:55.320 --> 00:57:00.159 to be as open source. We're going to supply the public with all our 669 00:57:00.280 --> 00:57:04.840 odes, all our software designs will be available for anybody that wants it. 670 00:57:04.840 --> 00:57:08.280 It's all open source. We're going to attempt when we sell these packages to 671 00:57:08.400 --> 00:57:15.000 do it as to keep the price down as far down as possible so it's 672 00:57:15.039 --> 00:57:19.920 affordable. You know, Ron obviously is spending a lot of time on you 673 00:57:19.960 --> 00:57:22.679 know, on his own dime doing this work, so we want to give 674 00:57:22.760 --> 00:57:27.079 him at least a minimum amount of money to be you know, fiber fabricating 675 00:57:27.119 --> 00:57:31.119 these these sensor packages and you know, so we're gonna have to add a 676 00:57:31.119 --> 00:57:36.599 little bit on there, but a full system could be as low as twenty 677 00:57:36.639 --> 00:57:39.639 five hundred dollars. Now that's amazing when you think about it. The amount 678 00:57:39.679 --> 00:57:44.960 of science for twenty five hundred dollars you could have in a package like this 679 00:57:45.039 --> 00:57:49.519 means a lot of people could afford to set this up in a proper location 680 00:57:49.800 --> 00:57:54.400 in their neck of the woods and become part of a solution, not exacerbate, 681 00:57:54.880 --> 00:57:59.039 you know the problem, which is all these poor people out there, 682 00:57:59.079 --> 00:58:04.719 the mesmura by bad CG and flying hubcaps and and bird shots at the right 683 00:58:04.760 --> 00:58:09.559 angle. It's just it's so disheartening, and I know you know what I'm 684 00:58:09.559 --> 00:58:16.000 saying, Alejandro, it's such it's just so frustrating to know that the average 685 00:58:16.119 --> 00:58:22.119 level of education in this field in the public is going down and leaps and 686 00:58:22.159 --> 00:58:28.239 bounds. And this project will be an attempt to not only capture some of 687 00:58:28.280 --> 00:58:32.719 this stuff as it flies by and analyze it properly and present it to the 688 00:58:32.760 --> 00:58:38.239 scientific community in a way that's irrefutable. That's the main goal. But the 689 00:58:38.280 --> 00:58:42.840 other goal is to educate people. This is not a UFO. This is 690 00:58:43.519 --> 00:58:47.480 these events, even though they look impressive, are really not what we're looking 691 00:58:47.480 --> 00:58:52.679 at. What we're looking for. These are the bull eides. These are 692 00:58:52.559 --> 00:58:58.760 earthquake lights as pyrozoelectric effects. These are swamp gas. This is insects flying 693 00:58:58.800 --> 00:59:01.159 by close to the camera, birds and by further away. You know, 694 00:59:01.599 --> 00:59:06.440 glitches in software. You know, all this stuff is going to be you 695 00:59:06.519 --> 00:59:10.960 know, really good resolution, so you don't have all that YouTube compression that 696 00:59:12.000 --> 00:59:16.360 people, you know think that it makes people's eyes look like like lizards and 697 00:59:16.719 --> 00:59:22.000 just so much you know, BF ignorance. I hate to say it, 698 00:59:22.079 --> 00:59:25.559 you know, but man, there's a lot of people out there that really 699 00:59:25.599 --> 00:59:30.199 don't know their ass from a hole in the ground when it comes to analyzing 700 00:59:30.639 --> 00:59:37.360 something in an intelligent, educated manner. Yes, frustrating, no doubt. 701 00:59:37.480 --> 00:59:42.079 But is this what you're going to be talking about also at that Devil's Tower 702 00:59:42.239 --> 00:59:45.400 this weekend? Yes, I'm going to be talking about the Sand Louis Valley. 703 00:59:45.559 --> 00:59:50.000 Give people kind of some background on the location, and then dive right 704 00:59:50.039 --> 00:59:54.519 into the project and hopefully, you know, generate some excitement and also get 705 00:59:54.519 --> 01:00:00.679 some feedback from yourself and Karen and Mark D'Antonio and with Weatherly and David Marler 706 01:00:00.840 --> 01:00:05.119 and Lee Spiegel and you know the other speakers there. I can't wait to 707 01:00:05.800 --> 01:00:07.400 bounce some of this stuff off, talk a little shop, do a little 708 01:00:07.400 --> 01:00:12.280 inside baseball, and find out what you guys think, some ideas that you 709 01:00:12.360 --> 01:00:15.960 might have, concerns, you might have suggestions. That's invaluable for me because 710 01:00:15.960 --> 01:00:20.360 I really respect everybody that's going to be there and I really want to to, 711 01:00:20.800 --> 01:00:22.599 you know, make this as much of a team effort as possible. 712 01:00:23.159 --> 01:00:28.519 That reminds me because you know, Mark is working on kind of a project 713 01:00:28.519 --> 01:00:30.760 to side project that is the same. Of course, they've been working on 714 01:00:30.840 --> 01:00:37.159 us for years and they haven't finished their system yet. But you photog? 715 01:00:37.519 --> 01:00:43.320 Yeah, you photog so hopefully you know, we've had him on probably at 716 01:00:43.400 --> 01:00:45.440 least once a year to talk about it for the last few years, and 717 01:00:45.639 --> 01:00:51.000 and they're still working on it. But have you I mean, I would 718 01:00:51.000 --> 01:00:53.639 imagine are you open. Let's say there are other groups, such as the 719 01:00:53.639 --> 01:00:59.360 other groups, who are wanting to attempt something like this. Say hey, 720 01:00:59.440 --> 01:01:04.239 Chris, you've already got something rolling. You've proven it's a good system and 721 01:01:04.320 --> 01:01:07.760 it's working. Can we jump on board and help you maybe fixed designs and 722 01:01:08.039 --> 01:01:16.719 incorporate this and to our network as well. Please please? Yes, Yes, 723 01:01:17.079 --> 01:01:21.480 I'm a team player. There's so many people running around thinking that they 724 01:01:21.519 --> 01:01:27.800 own the process. You know, my proverbial dung doesn't stink. I'm the 725 01:01:27.840 --> 01:01:30.079 coolest guy on the block. Blah blah blah. I don't like that kind 726 01:01:30.119 --> 01:01:37.679 of iconoclastic, standalone thinking. This isn't a tennis match, it's a football 727 01:01:37.719 --> 01:01:40.719 game. Okay. I'm a team player. I want to work with people. 728 01:01:40.800 --> 01:01:45.519 I want to bounce ideas off each other. I don't want any sort 729 01:01:45.519 --> 01:01:47.760 of ego involved in all this. There's too many egos in this field, 730 01:01:47.800 --> 01:01:51.800 Alejandro, and that's what creates a lot of the divisions. You know, 731 01:01:51.840 --> 01:01:53.119 people say, well, this is my turf. I don't want you to. 732 01:01:53.519 --> 01:01:59.519 I am open for any and all critiques, comments, suggestions, help, 733 01:02:00.440 --> 01:02:06.519 collaborations, requests for my advice and my help. I'm willing to be 734 01:02:06.760 --> 01:02:09.880 all things for all projects and anything I can do to help them, I 735 01:02:09.920 --> 01:02:13.679 am more than happy to do it. In fact, i'd be honored to 736 01:02:14.639 --> 01:02:20.440 that. And I think that's exciting because I know you've had you've you've already 737 01:02:21.039 --> 01:02:24.960 made offers like this to the other organizations out there, and you know, 738 01:02:25.119 --> 01:02:28.920 I'm sure everybody's like, yeah, yeah, everybody's trying to do this, 739 01:02:29.039 --> 01:02:31.480 But what what gives you What what's great is you're the first out of the 740 01:02:31.519 --> 01:02:37.679 gate to actually make it happen, and that's really important, and these others 741 01:02:37.760 --> 01:02:43.639 haven't. So you're going to have information and processes that are and experiences that 742 01:02:43.639 --> 01:02:47.239 are going to be invaluable to everyone. So I hope that helps them take 743 01:02:47.280 --> 01:02:51.119 you more seriously and then be like, Okay, well he's got this role 744 01:02:51.159 --> 01:02:54.119 and maybe we do need to just jump on board and help them out and 745 01:02:54.480 --> 01:02:59.239 or at least pay attention, because if they're excited about, you know, 746 01:02:59.320 --> 01:03:04.679 the projects, genuinely then you know what they'll want. They'll be excited for 747 01:03:04.719 --> 01:03:07.719 you in your project and that you've made it thus far, and it is 748 01:03:07.840 --> 01:03:10.840 exciting that finally we'll be able to start to get things. And I have 749 01:03:10.920 --> 01:03:15.760 a feeling that you're going to get some really cool video for pretty quickly. 750 01:03:15.840 --> 01:03:19.880 Well in not only really cool video, but we're going to get really cool 751 01:03:20.679 --> 01:03:23.480 scientific data about changes in the Earth's magnetic, gravitational, and acoustic fields. 752 01:03:24.760 --> 01:03:29.960 That's I mean, the optical stuff is fun. The camera stuff is fun. 753 01:03:30.599 --> 01:03:35.679 But the real meat and potatoes data and stuff that scientists start slobbering over 754 01:03:36.119 --> 01:03:38.280 is the kind of sensory data that we're really after. I mean, the 755 01:03:38.320 --> 01:03:42.639 optical stuff is cool because then it says, hey, look we have all 756 01:03:42.679 --> 01:03:45.280 these changes in the Earth, you know, energetic processes, and this is 757 01:03:45.280 --> 01:03:52.599 what it looks like. It's you know, the the what's the the cliche 758 01:03:52.719 --> 01:04:00.360 at the fourth of July ooh a jeep, you know that's that's all and 759 01:04:00.440 --> 01:04:03.280 dandy. It's the real data on graphs, stuff that you can you know, 760 01:04:03.480 --> 01:04:09.239 take to the take to the Optical Physics Journal, and stuff that can 761 01:04:09.280 --> 01:04:15.400 be taken to Goddard Space Flight Center and the jet propulsion lab places like that. 762 01:04:15.400 --> 01:04:23.199 That's that's what we're interested in. That's exciting stuff. And the the 763 01:04:23.320 --> 01:04:27.280 other I think, I think that's what makes yeah, this really really important, 764 01:04:27.559 --> 01:04:30.960 and where you're going to be is important, and you might I mean 765 01:04:30.039 --> 01:04:32.559 you're hitting on all of the big stuff. First of all, having the 766 01:04:32.639 --> 01:04:40.199 right equipment and the right sensory data to collect, and then also the price 767 01:04:40.320 --> 01:04:45.480 point of course is really important because I can see businesses even throughout the valley 768 01:04:46.519 --> 01:04:51.039 or individuals. So for instance, because dulce Is is such a hot spot 769 01:04:51.079 --> 01:04:56.639 and such a big everybody's curious about Daulsa. It probably takes no problem to 770 01:04:56.639 --> 01:05:02.320 get someone to dominate twenty five hundred dollars to put in a by gear to 771 01:05:02.360 --> 01:05:04.519 put into. They'll say, yeah, and then it costs to putting in 772 01:05:04.559 --> 01:05:08.960 and maintain it. Now they'll say, but you know, as the crow 773 01:05:09.000 --> 01:05:13.719 flies is only about fifty miles away from the valleys, that people forget that. 774 01:05:14.000 --> 01:05:15.079 You know, d'set is kind of the red hair and hey, everybody 775 01:05:15.079 --> 01:05:17.679 look over here while the real stuff's going on in the SLV. I've been 776 01:05:17.679 --> 01:05:21.159 saying that for years. But you're right, Th'll say, is a great 777 01:05:21.159 --> 01:05:25.400 place because there's lots of very close in uh you know, it's a it's 778 01:05:25.400 --> 01:05:31.039 a more concentrated area and it has more of an opportunity to put up eye 779 01:05:31.039 --> 01:05:35.119 in the sky type you know, camera positions that would be able to cover 780 01:05:35.280 --> 01:05:40.960 a smaller area but really effectively. So d'seys, you know, high up 781 01:05:40.960 --> 01:05:45.559 in our list. White Sands around a square peak outside of the White Sands 782 01:05:45.599 --> 01:05:49.320 Proving Grounds is another area that we're very interested in. I have interest from 783 01:05:49.400 --> 01:05:55.079 Pine Bush in New Yorks and valley stuff. The Black Hills of South Dakota, 784 01:05:55.679 --> 01:06:00.000 where we're going to be next week, is also a notorious utiful high 785 01:06:00.079 --> 01:06:02.000 spot. You don't hear about it as much because, you know, like 786 01:06:02.000 --> 01:06:05.840 the San Luis Valley, people see stuff there all the time and it's almost 787 01:06:05.840 --> 01:06:09.519 normal for them, so you know, they don't report it because it's not 788 01:06:09.559 --> 01:06:12.400 a big deal. It's like, why reports that we see all the time. 789 01:06:12.960 --> 01:06:17.880 People don't understand that places like the San Luis Valley that is number one 790 01:06:18.000 --> 01:06:24.079 in the North America for per capita sidings. There's two and seventy four events 791 01:06:24.519 --> 01:06:30.320 cited for every ten thousand people in the population. But I think and I 792 01:06:30.360 --> 01:06:35.639 would guess that less than one in fifty or sixty sidings is reported in the 793 01:06:35.639 --> 01:06:40.719 San Luis Valley. So whenever you see any numbers of reports, I have 794 01:06:41.760 --> 01:06:45.800 somewhere around six hundred that have ten bits of data that I that I can 795 01:06:45.840 --> 01:06:48.679 rely on, you know, that can go into my database times that by 796 01:06:48.760 --> 01:06:55.079 fifty, you know. And if you go to the if you go to 797 01:06:56.280 --> 01:07:01.119 my on stellar site, or you go to my website Ourstrange planet dot com, 798 01:07:01.280 --> 01:07:04.280 you'll notice in there that there's a map that it took me quite a 799 01:07:04.280 --> 01:07:10.280 while to put together that has all the sighting reports that I investigated from ninety 800 01:07:10.280 --> 01:07:13.400 two to two thousand and two. Each one of the saucers you see on 801 01:07:13.440 --> 01:07:19.079 that map is five reports. So that'll give you an idea of how intense 802 01:07:19.119 --> 01:07:23.840 the activity can be when stuff is really really popping around there. Back in 803 01:07:23.840 --> 01:07:27.760 the nineties, I got as many as seventeen reports in one day, just 804 01:07:27.800 --> 01:07:30.599 to give you an idea of how intense it can get there at times. 805 01:07:30.800 --> 01:07:33.639 And we have a recent the last month there's been a dozen reports that we 806 01:07:33.679 --> 01:07:38.760 have, including a couple of good photographs. So you know, I'm hoping 807 01:07:38.760 --> 01:07:42.840 that we're going to hit that nice fall wave. Usually it's fall in spring 808 01:07:42.880 --> 01:07:47.079 where the waves happen, and we're hoping that we can surf that wave and 809 01:07:47.119 --> 01:07:51.639 get some really good quality stuff by the end of November beginning of December. 810 01:07:53.280 --> 01:07:57.639 So on your map, just about at the New Mexico border on the south 811 01:07:57.760 --> 01:08:02.519 end of the valley, you have a set that is labeled investigate at your 812 01:08:02.559 --> 01:08:09.400 own risk. Yeah, And there's one just to the east of the San 813 01:08:09.440 --> 01:08:13.760 Grated Crystals again along on the border with New Mexico and Colorado, that is 814 01:08:13.800 --> 01:08:17.039 also labeled that way. And why are they labeled that way? Well, 815 01:08:17.119 --> 01:08:21.239 Number one, they're holes in my data. I have a real hard time 816 01:08:23.159 --> 01:08:29.560 investigating in those areas for various reasons. And also it's where there's a lot 817 01:08:29.560 --> 01:08:34.319 of suspicious kind of government stuff going on, military stuff. And so I 818 01:08:34.359 --> 01:08:39.840 know one of those hills there because I used to drive this all the time 819 01:08:39.920 --> 01:08:43.720 when I lived in Denver my mom was in Albuquerque. I would drive through 820 01:08:43.720 --> 01:08:47.520 the Plus I would go there to vacation every summer at the sand Dunes once 821 01:08:47.640 --> 01:08:53.039 or twice. Rick, our buddy Rick, you know, has that monthly 822 01:08:53.640 --> 01:08:57.880 or yearly event that I go to as well where he has camping out there 823 01:08:57.920 --> 01:09:01.239 and skywatching and stuff. And then the Paradigm group. Yeah, I remember, 824 01:09:01.279 --> 01:09:05.479 I think it's Ute Mountain or or the I think one called Turtle Mountain 825 01:09:05.520 --> 01:09:11.159 where people suspect or something under it. Huh. Yeah, Ute Mountain is 826 01:09:11.520 --> 01:09:16.119 suspect San Antonio Peak, which is the sister mountain that's below Antonito. Uh, 827 01:09:16.199 --> 01:09:19.520 that's where all the bigfoot reports come from from there, up the Corneis 828 01:09:19.760 --> 01:09:26.680 Canyon area. Ute Mountain is right there the Rio Grande Gorge, and we've 829 01:09:26.720 --> 01:09:30.199 had reports of helicopters flying in and not flying out, and helicopters flying out, 830 01:09:30.199 --> 01:09:34.880 but no apparent reason why they should be there. These are areas that 831 01:09:36.560 --> 01:09:41.920 you know, Donald Rumsfeld has an elk ranch ted turner has a big, 832 01:09:42.000 --> 01:09:45.920 huge spread. Uh. You know, I could I could go on and 833 01:09:45.960 --> 01:09:50.800 on privately about these areas, but I prefer to kind of leave it a 834 01:09:50.840 --> 01:09:57.800 little bit nebulous here on on you know the radio. Yeah, beautiful area 835 01:09:57.840 --> 01:10:00.000 too, all of that. Don't say all of that area so gorgeous. 836 01:10:00.119 --> 01:10:06.479 But we are out of time. But thank you so much. You definitely 837 01:10:06.680 --> 01:10:13.000 have an advocate in me, so I, as much as possible, will 838 01:10:13.039 --> 01:10:15.520 be out there trying to promote this. I've already shared. Well. I 839 01:10:15.640 --> 01:10:20.079 appreciate that on all our social media, you're go fundme. But yeah, 840 01:10:20.159 --> 01:10:24.239 let me go ahead and give that go fundme address because I know there's people 841 01:10:24.279 --> 01:10:28.079 out there, Alejandro that think like we do that that really want to see 842 01:10:28.079 --> 01:10:33.239 this field move forward not become stagnant. Go to GoFundMe dot com forward slash 843 01:10:34.119 --> 01:10:40.760 ufo d's and dog a is in Apple p isn't projected ufo d a p 844 01:10:42.119 --> 01:10:46.880 uh dash s l V for San Luis Valley. So GoFundMe dot com forward 845 01:10:46.880 --> 01:10:55.039 slash ufo d AP dash s l V. Thanks a lot, all right, 846 01:10:55.079 --> 01:10:58.840 my pleasure. Thank you so much for coming on again. Hey, 847 01:10:58.960 --> 01:11:02.079 I can't wait to with you guys, and you know, kick this whole 848 01:11:02.079 --> 01:11:04.079 thing around here next week. It's going to be a lot of fun. 849 01:11:04.399 --> 01:11:08.039 I've never been to Devil's Towers, so I'm really looking forward to. Oh 850 01:11:08.159 --> 01:11:13.960 it's gorgeous here. It's amazing, I know, I get wait. Thank 851 01:11:14.000 --> 01:11:17.840 you so much to Chris O'Brien for joining us on the show. Really interesting 852 01:11:17.840 --> 01:11:21.279 stuff. I'm so excited about his program. If you want to help him 853 01:11:21.319 --> 01:11:26.640 out, which I encourage you to do so, because really he's gotten the 854 01:11:26.720 --> 01:11:30.359 costs down very low and it's worth it. I mean, it's so great 855 01:11:30.399 --> 01:11:34.560 that he's made this affordable as well as making it functional. So if you 856 01:11:34.600 --> 01:11:39.439 go to go fundme, you can look for UFO DAP for the San Luis 857 01:11:39.760 --> 01:11:43.720 Valley. Just type in UFO DAP and you should be able to find it. 858 01:11:43.880 --> 01:11:47.960 You can also find out more information at his website Ourstrange planet dot com 859 01:11:48.279 --> 01:11:51.079 and if you got the time, you can also find out more at the 860 01:11:51.119 --> 01:11:57.680 Devil's Tower UFO rendezvous this weekend the thirteenth to the fifteenth. Chris myself, 861 01:11:57.760 --> 01:12:04.039 Lispiegel, Mark D'Antonio, David Marler and of course the lovely Karen Brard doing 862 01:12:04.079 --> 01:12:09.680 her first lecture there at the event. It should be a ton of fun. 863 01:12:09.720 --> 01:12:12.680 We were there last year and the people hosting are just so nice. 864 01:12:12.840 --> 01:12:16.399 It's such a gorgeous sound, and of course Devil's Tower is an amazing, 865 01:12:17.000 --> 01:12:24.159 amazing structure. There natural phenomena happening there in the middle of these beautiful woods 866 01:12:24.199 --> 01:12:27.399 in Wyoming, So that's going to be a lot of fun. In other 867 01:12:27.520 --> 01:12:30.560 news, Skinwalker, So the Hunt for the Skinwalker movie comes out today, 868 01:12:30.720 --> 01:12:33.840 So most of you are hearing this on the eleventh, so today is the 869 01:12:33.960 --> 01:12:36.840 day the movie comes out. And along with the movie, we're going to 870 01:12:36.920 --> 01:12:42.640 have exclusive content. So I went on that secret project right to go to 871 01:12:42.680 --> 01:12:45.439 the premiere of the movie in Las Vegas. I can't even tell you everybody 872 01:12:45.479 --> 01:12:49.079 who was there, but George Knapp was there, and so was Colin kelliher 873 01:12:50.079 --> 01:12:55.760 These are both the authors of the original book Hunt for the Skinwalker, and 874 01:12:56.119 --> 01:13:00.199 a bunch of other people were there. It's this documentary so important, and 875 01:13:00.239 --> 01:13:04.640 you'll see some exclusive interviews on YouTube with me and Jeremy and George Knapp. 876 01:13:04.800 --> 01:13:09.439 You'll also see these on Den of Geek, but if you follow me then 877 01:13:09.640 --> 01:13:13.600 you'll see all of these great interviews with these guys to talk about why this 878 01:13:13.680 --> 01:13:16.039 documentary is so important. And those of you who read the book or have 879 01:13:16.079 --> 01:13:21.159 been following my work already know why. So this is really really exciting stuff, 880 01:13:21.199 --> 01:13:26.359 So keep an eye out for that. The UFO Congress we talked about 881 01:13:26.399 --> 01:13:30.000 once. UFO Congress is a new YouTube page, got up to one thousand 882 01:13:30.000 --> 01:13:32.520 subscribers. We'd have some giveaways, so keep an eye. If you are 883 01:13:32.560 --> 01:13:36.159 on YouTube, if you haven't subscribed yet, go do that. If you 884 01:13:36.199 --> 01:13:40.319 are a subscriber, we're going to message you through there. If you're the 885 01:13:40.359 --> 01:13:45.039 winner of a T shirt or an alien glow in the Dark hat. And 886 01:13:45.359 --> 01:13:49.359 we have a new video about that Glowing the Dark hat on that YouTube channel 887 01:13:49.479 --> 01:13:55.079 for UFO Congress, So go there and check it out. It's found footage, 888 01:13:55.399 --> 01:14:00.479 freaky, You're going to love it. So UFO Congress YouTube page. 889 01:14:00.600 --> 01:14:03.520 Check that out. You can follow me on Patreon as well, and you'll 890 01:14:03.520 --> 01:14:06.359 be up to date on all of this. So everything I'm doing, I'm 891 01:14:06.359 --> 01:14:11.279 putting on my Patreon page for everybody to see. We've also got a couple 892 01:14:11.359 --> 01:14:16.640 exclusive videos on there that you have to be a patron to be able to 893 01:14:16.680 --> 01:14:20.640 see. And being a patrons very not very expensive, and it helps me 894 01:14:20.680 --> 01:14:25.279 out a ton because it lets me focus on getting more content out. And 895 01:14:25.319 --> 01:14:28.520 I'm getting so much more out Devil's Tower. I'm gonna have a bunch of 896 01:14:28.560 --> 01:14:32.920 exclusive interviews. It's going to be great. So I'm just getting out this 897 01:14:33.000 --> 01:14:35.680 content for you like crazy. So if you want to help me out, 898 01:14:35.960 --> 01:14:40.199 you know, you can just send me, give me a buck for God's 899 01:14:40.199 --> 01:14:43.600 sakes, that would be helpful, or go buy a T shirt or something 900 01:14:43.640 --> 01:14:46.039 like that. 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Thank you 910 01:15:28.239 --> 01:15:30.880 so much to Caleb Hanks for the opening and the closed music. Thank you 911 01:15:31.079 --> 01:15:38.600 to Systematics for that bumper music. Thank you to Martin Willis of podcast UFO 912 01:15:38.680 --> 01:15:42.239 for joining us with the news, and of course thank you to Chris O'Brien 913 01:15:42.479 --> 01:15:45.960 and thank you all for listening. If you're there this weekend, be sure 914 01:15:45.000 --> 01:15:48.800 and say hello. But thank you all so much. Until next time, 915 01:15:49.239 --> 01:16:41.359 Audio smooth shuttles and you mus