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Hi, welcome back to give us
more leave. I'm Megan, and I'm

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so sorry it's taking us this long. Yeah, well we only missed one

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week, which is like for us, at least we're doing it again.

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You know, Usually we're like,
ah, you know what, the break

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was really nice? Are you proud
of us? Guys? We didn't We

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didn't take a whole month this time, although this one is kind of last

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minute because like today is Friday,
the thirty first of March, and you

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will be listening to this by the
end of today. So random applause from

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Megan. I woke up this morning
and I was like, yes, day

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off work, I get to record
the podcast because my alarm went off and

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I just well, like as soon
as alarm goes off, I'm triggered.

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Like I'm like, I'm pissed already. Then I ordered my little Starbucks,

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which is not empty, but it
was so fucking good. I got um

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an iced Oh Bran sugar iced Oh
Shaken espresso. You first of all,

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health Queen for the oat milk.
Secondly, it doesn't take much to impress

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me. Secondly, I wish I
could order. Sorry, I have to

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fix my computer so I can see
you better. I wish I could order

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Starbooks to my home, but I
can't because we don't have that in our

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tiny little town. Honestly, it's
one of the little pleasures of living here.

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I could be like crying about missing
my family and friends. I got

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to start boom, but I can
order Starbooks to my home. I have

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a question for you, Actually,
what do you order when you go to

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Starbooks? I do like a bran
sugar shaken and fucking espresso. It is

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chef's kiss and an iced white Smoka
is also very good, but I haven't

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tried it, Like I don't think
I've tried it. So is it good?

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Like is it sweet? And it
is sweet? But it is good.

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I like it. And then and
listeners at home at home, every

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on the radio and listeners at home
phone in, what is your Starbucks order?

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Tell me? I am I'm not
very adventurous. I won't lie though,

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my Like, you know, when
you don't know what to get,

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so you just get kind of like
a comfort one that you just know that

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you will enjoy. And it is
a basic, bitch one. And I'm

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well aware that it is very basic. Okay, you don't need to tell

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me it is. I know it
is. I like an iced caramel macchiato.

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Oh, it's got caramel drizzle in
it. So as you're like sucking

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it up, you're getting like little
clumps that You're getting little clumps of caramel

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and it's just tasty. Do you
know what? I don't like a pumpkin

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spiced latte. I can't remember if
I've ever tried one. I tried one

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because I wanted to see what the
hype was. You know, m I

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am a fall girl. I'm a
fall girl. I love fall slash autumn.

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So I was like, this is
the like autumn drink. I have

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to try it? Mm hmm.
It was fucking foul. It's like,

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the fuck is this shit? Why
are people drinking this fucking sacrilege? You're

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gonna be absolutely you're canceled. Hal. I don't think I'm I don't think

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I'm allowed to be a fall girl
anymore. Also, can I just say

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chi chai latte? Chi chi tea
whatever? Fuck Chaila? No, I've

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never tried it, and I wanted
to try it. It tastes like um,

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it tastes like winter. You know
when you get a piece of fruitcake

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at Christmas? Gross? Yeah,
that's what it tastes like in my opinion.

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Anyway. I don't know if you
follow or see a girl on TikTok

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and a star or something like that
is her name, and she does the

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she goes to star Bees and she's
like, just give me what you want,

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yeah, what you would get,
and she always gets these amazing drinks.

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But in Ireland we don't have some
of those ingredients. We don't have

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most of them. To be honest, I see some of those Starbucks orders

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and I'm like, what the fuck? But luck listen, I wouldn't be

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able to. Actually, I don't
have the confidence to go into a Starbucks

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and be like, Hi, can
I get a child latte with sweet vanilla,

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cold foam? Three pumps vanilla,
two pumps chocolate. I just don't

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have it in me to go in
and be like, Hi, yeah,

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can I have this really intense specific
order? To be honest, I feel

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like in Ireland, if you ask
for cold foam, the barista would hop

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over the counter and punch you.
Swear in the face, yeah, you

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can tell it when you ask for
an iced one, when you're like,

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Hi, can I get an iced
caramel maccietto they're like, iced, you

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fucking dick, thank you, love
you so much, thank you. Yeah.

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So, anyway, tell us what
your goal to drink is and maybe

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we'll try it. But if it's
pumpkin, spice, batte or chilte,

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we will not be trying it.
No, no, we will not.

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So two things before we get in, and one of them is, if

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you haven't already checked out Megan's episodes
with that's so fucked up, make sure

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you do so Gi Little extra GI, Little extra Megan your life Extra Meg.

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Why does that sound rose? Doesn't
it sounds fabulous? Yeah, and

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go listen to those. And then
the last thing is the shooting in Nashville.

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M let's talk about it. Okay, they were nine years old.

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The three students that died, was
it? What was it? Three students

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and a teacher. Three students and
three teachers, and all three teachers were

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in their sixties and the three kids
were nine years of age. And currently

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America is more focused on trying to
trying to reverse lgb t Q plus laws,

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trying to ban books that talk about
race and religion and other books that

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talk about LGBTQ plus. And I
saw a TikTok and I have to say

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it was a very powerful TikTok and
it was of a like a senator or

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a politician anyway over in America,
and he's arguing about why are we banning

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these books? You know, he's
just like, what home is it going

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to do if students read these kinds
of books and they're not like out their

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books. I don't know what one's
there, but they're not like like,

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hey, you should be trends or
you know, they're just talking. Yeah

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he was. He just turned around
at the end of his argument and was

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like, put jokes on you because
dead kids can't read. And you know

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what, he has a point like
when when is it when? Like how

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many school shootings? Is too many
school shootings? When I hear people make

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the argument about how they want to
keep their guns in one way, I'm

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like, Okay, I see your
point, but also it's not a good

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enough point for them to be so
easily accessible. That this shooter had something

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like seven guns they had brought.
I'm not sure. I'm actually not sure.

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I'm confused on whether they were.
I think she had transitioned to she

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to she. I wasn't sure if
she had transitioned from she to he or

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from he to sheep. They were
able to buy something like seven guns from

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five different shops, like five different
firearm stores. Like, how is that

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actually legally possible? Do you know
what I mean? Because obviously it's like

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all over internet. And one politician
was like, do you know what what

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an A or it was like an
A or fifteen or something that she used

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I believe in one of her guns
anyway that she purchased, And it was

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like, do you know what that
does to a person? Like you don't

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shoot deer with that kind of gun
because it destroys the deer. There's been

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nothing left of the deer. So
why does anyone of the public need a

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gun like that? Because what's that? Like? Whatever about? You know,

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like a shot not a shotgun,
a handgun, a handgun that like

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you I can like I can get
that, I get it, and I

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can I can understand if you are
like a single woman and you live alone

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in a rough neighborhood. Now if
you just want to protect your family,

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like if you as long as you
keep that gun and you follow guns safety

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protocols and completely understand having a handgun
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case there was ever in a treader
or anything like that. What do we

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what does like a society like that
need shotguns, rifles, a salt rifle,

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AsSalt like assault rifles, Like what
do they need those kind of weapons

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for? I don't know. This
is not like, let's suppose it is.

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I wanted to say that this is
not us giving a political stance.

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Obviously we have like no right to
talk about really what's going on over there

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because it's not our country, we're
not living in it. But at the

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same time, as Europeans, I
don't think we can sit here and comprehend

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why this needs. These shootings happen
so often it just boggles their mind.

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So our hearts go out to the
victims of every shooting in Americas so far

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this year, obviously, and to
the kids and teachers that were involved in

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in any school shot shootings. I
can't remember. I can't like, oh,

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I think yeah, I think it
was Monday or Tuesday. Am.

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I can't fathom what it would be
like as a parent to have Anna in

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school. No, like you you
just dropped Anna off to school right now?

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Like sorry you cry, no,
because I guess actually terrifying, like

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you're they're sending kids to school with
backpacks that are bulletproof, and they're on

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about like trying to build safe rooms
in classrooms so that if this happens,

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that they like pull this thing out
of the wall and it turns into like

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a safe like a panic room.
Why are you building that instead of banning

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guns? Just banning guns and you
don't need the panic rooms. I'm sorry.

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What's more important your right to own
a gun or to have your child

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alive? See, So, yeah, I just wanted to mention it.

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Obviously, it's a true crime podcast. We have a platform to talk about

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these kinds of things, and we
shouldn't be silent, you know. Obviously

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there's nothing we can say that's ever
going to change anything. And I'm sorry

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if this conversation is fucking pissed you
off, But I'm sorry, there's a

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there's grieving parents. I hope it's
pissed you off in the right way that

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if you live in America and you
hear this and you get riled, I

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hope it riles you in the correct
manner that you then are like, let's

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go fucking sort these gun laws at
Yeah, so let's talk about our case

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today. Our case today is a
very interesting one, and I think I'm

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just going to get right into it
because we don't have a whole pile of

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time. On Wednesday, November tenth, twenty ten, Valerie Haythorn called police

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to let them know that her co
worker at Dairy Queen, Tina Herman,

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had not shown up for work.
Tina was a thirty two year old mother

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of two who was known for her
reliability, so this was so when she

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didn't show up to work, they
were like, oh, something the fuck

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is wrong. And Valerie Haythorne reminds
me of do you remember in the Chris

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Watts case there was a friend that
came to the house and immediately knew that

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Chris had done something. When Tina
missed her four PM shift, Valerie drove

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out to the house in Apple Valley, Ohio. The lights were on and

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Tina's car, as well as another
truck were at the front. It didn't

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sit right with Valerie that Tina still
wouldn't answer calls or texts, which is

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why she called to the police to
ask for a wellness check. Smart friend.

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Neither of Tina's two children, thirteen
year old Sarah Maynard and eleven year

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old Cody Maynard had been in school
the next day, Thursday, the eleventh

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of November. That same day,
Valerie was told by a man named Ron

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Metcalf that he had not seen his
girlfriend, Stephanie Sprange, forty one,

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since the morning of the tenth of
November, about twenty four hours previous.

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This is shrouded in mystery. I
know. Stephanie Sprange was a neighbor of

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Tina's, and her last known movements
were that she was going to Tina's house

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to help her move, as Tina
and the kids were living with Tina's then

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boyfriend, Greg Borders, who had
left the house early on Wednesday morning at

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about three forty five am to get
to his job as a Target warehouse worker

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in a town a couple hours away. Oh, Greg, I already something

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like the scent of you, Poor
Greg. You'll see, I doesn't always

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assume as the boyfriend. That's That's
exactly what happens. So then Greg was

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going to continue on to meet his
friend and stay with him for a couple

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of days to hang out and play
golf. See, the thing is that

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Greg and Tina were actually in the
middle of breaking up. There's been in

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all abuse or anything like that.
It was as amicable as a breakup can

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be. I know it's shocking to
the world, but sometimes just people just

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fall out a lot and are like, look, listen, I think it's

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best to be separates, and they're
like, yeah, I think it is

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best to be separate. Let's go. Yeah, Like I think that there

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had been anger, and there had
been fights obviously, but it wasn't like

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it wasn't it too, Like,
yeah, people can get angry and have

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fights, but not like getting physical
or abusive. Yeah, exactly. And

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that was the same kind of split
that Tina had when she went through when

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she was going through the divorce with
the father of her children, Larry Maynard.

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Oh, Larry, I already till
like the Sunday any man's name.

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You're just like, I don't like
the sound at you. Tina and Larry

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met when they were both only fifteen. Larry saw Tina when he was at

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cycling one day and he tried to
set up like a little bit of a

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little cute, like a meat cute
cute and by just cycling past her repeatedly,

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which like adorable. It's like,
notice me on my bicycle. I

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don't even have stabilizers anymore. Look
at me fifteen. I hope the fuck

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he doesn't have stabilizers. Well it
must have worked anyway, like whatever he'd

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done, because they did start hanging
out, and they eventually started dating a

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few months later. Quote. There
was just something about her that made you

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like her. Not just me,
but lots of kids at school you hear

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about someone lighting up a room.
Tina was one of those people. It's

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a quote from Larry. Larry.
I'm sorry I said it, and like

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you earlier. No, it's okay, we can hate Larry, Okay,

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never mind Fuqui Larry. They moved
in together after school to an apartment in

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Columbus, Ohio. When they were
both only nineteen, Tina gave birth to

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Sarah, who came into the world
six weeks early and weighed only four pounds

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and nine ounces. Tiny. I
know, but they obviously cared for her

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super like. They done a really
good job, and before long she was

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a healthy wait for her age,
and it says she was just like a

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little raised unshine. She was just
a happy kid. Sarah was only two

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years old when Tina gave birth to
Cody, her little brother, who also

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came prematurely, weighing only five pence
and seven ounces. Yea, I know,

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they got Cody to a normal weak

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too. It wasn't long after Cody's
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get a little bit strained. They
were both so intensely focused on building it

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a great life for their kids and
both working to achieve that that they kind

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of forgot to nurture their actual,
their partnership, their relationship. Larry got

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a well paying job as a long
haul trucker for a florist, and Tina

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was busy picking up shifts at a
grocery store called Meyer Major m e I

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j e er Yeah. But um, Larry says that it was like the

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two were becoming strangers to each other. Like he'd be walking in the door

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and she would she'd be walking out. Yeah. They were just like two

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passing ships in the niche geez,
Okay, that's the thing, is it?

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Yeah? For like when you when
you never see each other, you're

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just two passing ships in the night. I kind of like it. Um.

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At the time, the family were
living with Larry's grandmother, but as

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the pair drifted apart, and anger
came to the surface, as it does

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in a breakup or divorce. Tina
and the kids moved out. The divorce

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itself was like normal. It was
at first like anger, resentment, the

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typical like fuck you, you're not
taking my kids away from me. No,

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fuck you, They're living with me. I'm their mother. Well,

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this is the thing. They actually
wouldn't use the kids against each other because

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because of Harry was a long haul
trucker, he knew that he was never

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going to be able to have to
take really Yeah, so they did go

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to live with Tina, and no
matter what they thought about, like,

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they never thought about the kids or
in front of the kids. And I

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think that just speaks to how hard
they were like trying to give the kids

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a really good life. Yeah,
Like whatever was going on between the two

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of them, it never had anything
to do with the kids. And like

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if the kids were around and they
were like, oh two dad, Like

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that is that is unreal parenting?
Yeah, co parenting at its finest.

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Honestly, yes, so many people
need to learn that. True. And

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like I'm sure that they I'm sure
I'm sure the divorce affected the children,

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but at this stage they were both
doing really well at school. Boats and

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Cody were athletic from a very young
age, and Cody played football at school

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and Sarah was a cheerleader for the
same team. Isn't that just adorable?

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God team? Can you imagine,
Like how nice of a bonding experience that

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is to get home from a game
and you're literally both on the same team.

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You're both cheering to your same team. You're a boat like on a

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high being like, oh my god, we did so wow. Yes,

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I'd say it was like really really
nice and something that you can like bond

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with your sibling about. When I
was younger, I so desperately wanted to

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be a cheerleader. We don't have
cheerleaders in Ireland, by the way,

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Like it's not a thing. So
my dream was never gonna happen. Give

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me a gee, imagine it to
do. Give us Mark take forever,

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give me, give me an give
me a give me an m give me

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so we're just don't give Mark.
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kid who would make friends with the
unpopular kid at school, Like if you

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saw somebody getting bullied, He's like, no, none of my way.

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We're going to be friends. Okay, Flay, I know, and I

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think again that speaks to Tina and
Larry's parenting. Yeah, you leave nobody

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out. M things were going really
well for everyone, it seemed. Larry

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met and married a woman named Tracy, and the two welcome to son Aj

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in two thousand and six. The
three of them would soon become neighbors of

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Sarah, Cody, and Tina and
Tina's new boyfriend Greg. I mean,

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I get it being neighbors because it's
like handy for the kids and stuff like

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that. But at the same time, I would not want my ex living

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right beside me. Yeah, no, I get that, But that's the

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same time. I think they were
like still once they've gotten past the bitterness

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of the divorce, they were like
chill with each other. I get it.

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I do get it. I get
why people do that, just personally

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for me. Can you live like
in the next estate, Well, I

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don't know how close they lived so, because I don't understand that area,

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but I'd imagine it's like not too
much different from like living in our town

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and seeing your X or end.
And this is an almost perfect situation for

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them because, like you said,
the kids can see both of their parents

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and their new sibling. So sure, yeah, it kind of like does

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make sense a little bit. And
then of course the recession hit and Larry,

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Tracy, and Aj ended up moving
miles away to Florida for work.

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Tina had found a new job after
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she did consider following them to Florida, but she decided against it, and

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instead she moved into a place called
Apple Valley. Apple, And instead she

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moved to a place called Apple Valley
in ment Vernon, Ohio, about forty

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miles from Columbus. And it's a
tourist trap and for good reason. Like

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I looked at this place up on
Google Maps and there's like you can't even

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on Google Maps, you can't go
down like certain roads and stuff. And

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it is beautiful. It's kind of
like a small community, like if you

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couldn't think in my head, I'm
thinking like Gilmore Girls ESK, except a

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different setting, yes, okay with
me. And there's this big, massive

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lake which is the valley, and
then there's like houses and woods kind of

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surrounding it. So it's like homely. Yeah, and so is the house

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on King Beach Drive. And it
looks normal. It's not that far from

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the lake, and it's almost totally
surrounded by woods. My dream, I

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know. And when I'm trying to
like fall asleep, or when I'm trying

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to relax myself, if I'm feeling
anxious or whatever, I close my eyes

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and that's where I go. I
go to a house in the woods.

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Yeah, like you go to somewhere
like that. Yeah, yeah, and

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it and now it's it's been solely
you know what I mean by what happens?

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Oh God, Okay. With Tina
being outgoing and friendly, it didn't

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take long for her to make friends
with the neighbors. She got close with

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Stephanie Sprang, who lived close by
and Maker's Drive with her boyfriend and three

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children, Michael, Tricia, and
Seth from her previous Marriach, and she

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absolutely doted on them. She herself
was pretty athletic and she ran tracking cross

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country before, and people say like
her main priority was always her children,

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and she loved nothing more than just
like being around her family and like just

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chatting with them, like talking talking
about anything at any sort of social event

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or gathering. Like she's just as
out going as Tina was in early twenty

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ten, Larry was able to move
back to Ohio and was able to see

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the kids more often. Cody was
starting baseball and Sarah had just joined softball.

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And they're doing all of this while
they're both really focused on their studies

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at school. They sound like angel
kids. Yeah, they are angel kids.

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Yeah. And they even got a
new sibling. Larry and Tracy had

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another son, who they called Peyton
in two thousand and eight. Cute.

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And then again, things seemed to
be coming together, rebuilding after the recession,

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except for Tina, who, like
I said, was in the middle

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of her break up with Greg and
Tina was currently sleeping on the catch.

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I had heard that Greg was like, the bed is mine and the couch

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is yours. Like, if we're
going to do a separation, then that's

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what we're doing. Greg. I
knew I didn't like you, but yeah,

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that was that's what was going on. Because they had bought the house

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together and at this point Tina was
she wanted to move out and start fresh,

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and that's why Stephanie was going over
to her house that day on the

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tenth, the Wednesday to go at
her apartment hunting. So back to the

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wellness check, the zone had gone
down Before an officer made his way down

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to King Beach Drive for the wellness
check, Charles Statler received it's no answer

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when he knocked on the door.
At this time, there were no cars

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in the driveway and it just seemed
as if nobody was home. Again,

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later that night, he drove by
at around eleven pm, and this time

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the lights were on and there was
a two thousand and four four pickup in

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the drive, so he did not
approach the house again. He didn't complete

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his wellness check then, well,
because he went to the house before and

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he was like, oh, nobody's
home, And then when he went back,

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there's a car at the front.
Like this town Apple Valley, Like

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the crime rate is so small,
so I know, yeah, but even

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but to complete like a wellness check, like you have to make sure that

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the person's fucking alive and himself.
But I think they can go to the

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house and if nobody answers, they
can't force themselves in. No, Like

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that's fair. But the next time
he went back to the house and saw

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that someone was home, he should
have rung the doorbell and been like,

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kay, is everything okay? I've
been requested to do a well check.

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I mean yeah, but also it
was the end of his shift, so

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he was probably like, oh,
they were just out, like they're they're

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fine right now. At this point, all he knows is that Tina didn't

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show up for work. That's all
he knows. The kids had been in

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school that day, Wednesday, the
tenth, it was just teenage that didn't

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show up. So then it's the
next day, the kids don't show up

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to school. So that day,
the next day is we're talking about November

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eleventh, When she still had not
shown up for work, Valerie became desperate

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and she called the sheriff's office again. The sheriff found out that the kids

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hadn't shown up for school on that
day, and Valerie had spoken to Ron,

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Stephanie's boyfriend, who assumed that she
had just spent the night la Tina's

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because like neighbors. Yeah, yeah, apartment hunting ran late and they got

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caught up in time or whatever,
so she just fell asleep, Yeah,

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which is which is something that you
would especially if they were close friends and

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neighbors. I'm sure it's something that
has happened before. So yeah, so

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he didn't think too much of it. Again, officers went back out to

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Tina's noticed that the Ford pickup that
had been there last night was no longer

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there, and again the officer did
not approach the house. Determined fabibly met

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ron at the house, and remembering
that Tina always left a window cracked in

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the back, she climbed in.
She found a her endless scene which it

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was a literal blood bath. She
immediately left and called to the police.

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When police arrived, they found blood
in almost every room of the home,

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including the bathroom, bedrooms, and
basement. In the bath there was a

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ring of red indicating that blood had
been at least two inches deep in the

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tube at one point. Goods a
lot of ament of blood, like the

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bath to hold about two inches of
blood, and then blood in every other

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room. That's like draining actual blood
bath. Yeah, you're not surviving.

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No, you're not surviving that lost
blood. There were drag marks from the

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hallway to the bathroom, and bleaching
motor oil had been like kind of like

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splashed in different spots of the house, like on the blood marks on the

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walls and stuff like. It was
like somebody had tried to clean up and

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then they were like, oh,
fuck it, and then they got the

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motor oil, and we'll see in
a bit what they were planning to do

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with that motor oil. Oh god, some footprints and blood had been created

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by someone wearing air walk shoes,
which kind of looked like vans, like

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they're like a skate shoe, And
this actually gave officers hope because they then

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found a box for a pair of
air walks for a shoe looking to be

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about the same size in Sarah's closet. So Sarah the thirteen year old daughter

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of Tina. Oh, okay,
so that means that she's walking around in

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it at some point. So she's
They're like, okay, she has to

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be alive, because yeah, the
footprints were going out to the garage,

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so okay. Yeah, so it's
like she has to be Yeah, she

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was at least alive at some stage
during the literal blood, black blood,

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black blood bath. Yeah. So
they'd found all of this blood and all

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of this mess, but they didn't
actually find any of the missing people or

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the family dog, a pincher named
Tanner, not the God. The most

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interesting piece of evidence they found was
a Walmart bag, right, a fucking

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Walmart bag with a receipt in it
for trash bags, terps, a Halloween

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T shirt that was a dollar,
and a turkey sandwich. You mean to

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tell me that this damn fool purchased
items to get rid of bodies, a

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T shirt and a sandwich, a
turkey one. At this point, Greg

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had actually not returned back home from
his trip with his friend, and he

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didn't really know what was going on. Like somebody called him and was like,

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hey, there's like police outside your
house, Like you need to get

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back home. So he raises and
he's met at the scene by police.

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He gives them like verbal permission to
enter the home and to take evidence,

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because I think they needed to get
a warrant. But verbal permission from him

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was like okay at first, something
like that, I'm pretty sure you don't

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fully need a warrant or you don't
need scene. If you're a crime scene,

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you don't need like a full blown
warrant. If the owner of the

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house is like, yeah, no, you can do whatever. M And

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they checked him over for like scars
or scratches or anything like that, and

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they found none. He was clean, so and his alibi was pretty good.

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Like he was hours away. He
was hours away with a friend that

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evening, a patrol car was driving
past the Coco Saying Gap Trail parking area

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when he saw a truck similar to
Tina's, which was missing from the scene.

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Not far from it was a man
sitting in a silver Toyota Yarus.

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The officer asked this young man behind
the wheel what he was doing, and

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the officer was told that this man
was waiting on his friend, who was

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called Sarah, and the officers like, okay, what's Sarah's last name?

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And he's like, I don't know, because we just started dating. I

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don't know. The police officer also
asked for the idea of this man,

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00:31:12.799 --> 00:31:17.559
checked it and sent him on his
way. And so I know that the

409
00:31:17.599 --> 00:31:21.640
truck actually being fund here completely sent
things into a frenzy because it was found

410
00:31:21.759 --> 00:31:26.240
near a university and like the high
school is kind of behind the university from

411
00:31:26.240 --> 00:31:30.000
what like Google Maps kind of showed
me. So there was a full lockdown

412
00:31:30.519 --> 00:31:33.759
because truck was found there, because
they were like, there's obviously from the

413
00:31:33.839 --> 00:31:38.400
scene, like there's obviously a fucking
madman running around, so let's get everybody's

414
00:31:38.400 --> 00:31:44.720
safe and everybody go home. Larry
Maynard at this time had actually not been

415
00:31:44.759 --> 00:31:48.160
informed by police, what was going
on? Oh, I mean his two

416
00:31:48.240 --> 00:31:52.160
kids are missing. His two kids
and his ex wife are missing. You'd

417
00:31:52.200 --> 00:31:56.240
think that they would be like,
hey, Larry, have you seen down

418
00:31:56.319 --> 00:31:59.839
here? Yeah? Like have you
seen your ex wife and your two children?

419
00:32:00.319 --> 00:32:02.759
But it was actually Greg Borders and
Greg called him in a friendzy being

420
00:32:02.759 --> 00:32:07.279
like where are they going nuts?
And Larry's like, what the fuck are

421
00:32:07.279 --> 00:32:12.599
you talking about? So Greg kind
of filled him in and then Larry put

422
00:32:12.599 --> 00:32:15.279
on he had to find out everything
from the news more or less. Oh,

423
00:32:15.319 --> 00:32:20.640
that's not nice, Like, no, I'm confused as to who'd done

424
00:32:20.640 --> 00:32:25.519
it. So if Larry is,
if you are innocent, Larry, it's

425
00:32:25.559 --> 00:32:29.880
not nice that you found it through
the news. What about a secret third

426
00:32:29.880 --> 00:32:34.960
option? So even from like so, even if Larry's innocent or whatever,

427
00:32:35.039 --> 00:32:39.680
right, even from the point of
view of the police, you would have

428
00:32:39.720 --> 00:32:43.799
thought that they would have wanted to
question him. Yeah, I don't know

429
00:32:43.880 --> 00:32:46.240
what was going on there, because
you would your your go to, like

430
00:32:46.319 --> 00:32:51.720
in in cases like this, the
go to is to the partner or the

431
00:32:51.839 --> 00:32:58.720
like ex partner, m like,
they're like the first people that you question.

432
00:32:59.359 --> 00:33:04.160
So Larry was questioned alone as well
as Greg Ron Stephanie's ex Mike and

433
00:33:04.240 --> 00:33:07.119
her son Michael. They were all
questioned anybody that could have close to the

434
00:33:07.200 --> 00:33:10.559
family. Yeah. Now, throughout
all of this, the house and King

435
00:33:10.599 --> 00:33:16.279
Beach Drive is being thoroughly processed,
and police were even using like infrared helicopters,

436
00:33:16.279 --> 00:33:20.400
like infrared equipment on helicopters to see
if they could see anything in the

437
00:33:20.400 --> 00:33:23.039
woods below. Yeah, because they're
like, where the fuck of these like

438
00:33:23.079 --> 00:33:28.440
four people gone. Yeah, they're
just like disappeared. Volunteers came out in

439
00:33:28.480 --> 00:33:31.240
force, searching high and low as
well, so like the community rallied around

440
00:33:31.240 --> 00:33:35.960
too. Yeah. It was a
couple of days later, November the thirteenth,

441
00:33:35.960 --> 00:33:39.119
when detectives contacted Walmart for more information
on the receipt that they had uncovered

442
00:33:39.119 --> 00:33:43.759
at the scene, because at first
they were like, could this be Tina's

443
00:33:43.839 --> 00:33:46.720
or Greg's. Well, let's just
check it out. Yeah. The person

444
00:33:46.759 --> 00:33:55.119
who purchased the items terp bin bags, Impulse fucking Halloween t shirt, and

445
00:33:55.200 --> 00:34:00.839
a Turkey sandwich paid in cash,
so they requested the secure already tapes from

446
00:34:00.839 --> 00:34:05.279
that time. The description of this
man makes me, it sends me.

447
00:34:05.400 --> 00:34:09.920
It's absolutely hilarious. Oh god,
So they watched a man about twenty five

448
00:34:10.119 --> 00:34:14.679
to forty. It's like, that's
a that's a big old age gap that

449
00:34:14.880 --> 00:34:19.000
you have a big age range that's
twenty years. You can look so different

450
00:34:19.039 --> 00:34:22.599
in twenty years. But like,
I find it hilarious because you know when

451
00:34:22.599 --> 00:34:24.880
you see people and you're like,
you're either thirteen or you're sixty, I

452
00:34:24.920 --> 00:34:29.400
have no idea what age you are. Yeah, that's literally what that is.

453
00:34:29.440 --> 00:34:35.519
They're literally like they might as well
have just said age unknown. That's

454
00:34:35.559 --> 00:34:39.000
not the best part. This guy
is wearing a camouflage shirt eyeglasses, so

455
00:34:39.039 --> 00:34:44.199
he's wearing glasses and and I'm not
laughing at people with this, but because

456
00:34:44.199 --> 00:34:50.039
it's this guy, I'm not gonna
it's karma and a receding hairline. I

457
00:34:50.119 --> 00:34:53.920
love the way that they added that
into the description. Yeah, and we

458
00:34:54.039 --> 00:35:00.480
all know how bad CCTV footages.
I think that like they're like and a

459
00:35:00.599 --> 00:35:09.679
receding hairline. They watched him make
the purchase and then go into the car

460
00:35:09.760 --> 00:35:15.880
park and get into a silver Toyota
Yaris. Sarah's boy. Exactly, I

461
00:35:15.000 --> 00:35:20.480
just did air coat and that's for
everybody. And that's what they were able

462
00:35:20.480 --> 00:35:22.920
to quickly figure out, is they
were able to figure out like who had

463
00:35:22.960 --> 00:35:29.280
a registered silver Toyota Yaris in Knox
County, and one man stead stood out

464
00:35:29.320 --> 00:35:31.639
as the same man in the tape
even were in the same camal shirt the

465
00:35:31.679 --> 00:35:38.000
whole and that man was thirty year
old Matthew Hoffman. Before we get into

466
00:35:38.039 --> 00:35:44.760
who Matthew Hoffman is, we're going
to take a quick ad break. Okay,

467
00:35:44.840 --> 00:35:49.800
we're back, and let's talk about
Matthew J. Hoffman a bit so.

468
00:35:49.840 --> 00:35:52.320
Matthew J. Hoffman was born on
the first of November nineteen eighty to

469
00:35:52.440 --> 00:35:58.039
his parents, Robert and Patricia.
He originally grew up around the Warren area

470
00:35:58.079 --> 00:36:01.320
in northeast Ohio before I moved into
Apple Valley in Knox County with his mother

471
00:36:01.360 --> 00:36:07.320
after his parents got divorced. People
that knew him and his adolescence say that

472
00:36:07.360 --> 00:36:09.639
he was a strange kid, but
he just kind of seemed unemotional and just

473
00:36:10.199 --> 00:36:14.039
unhappy and like not fully there,
like he would just stare at you,

474
00:36:14.480 --> 00:36:17.000
like just kind of weird. But
he did really seem to love the outdoors

475
00:36:17.000 --> 00:36:22.000
and he enjoyed spending a lot of
time outdoors, Like he would spend time

476
00:36:22.000 --> 00:36:27.239
in treehouses and like climbing buildings to
get to roofs, roofs roofs and stuff

477
00:36:27.239 --> 00:36:30.400
like that. Like he just he
was a kid that liked to be outside.

478
00:36:30.679 --> 00:36:35.159
He was an adoorsy kid, but
also somewhat an unhappy kid. Yeah,

479
00:36:35.480 --> 00:36:37.039
at the same time, there's nothing
wild or crazy that stick said about

480
00:36:37.079 --> 00:36:42.360
his childhood, Like it seems relatively
normal. He was just a weird kid.

481
00:36:43.280 --> 00:36:46.360
Yeah. In two thousand, when
he was about nineteen, Matthew graduated

482
00:36:46.400 --> 00:36:52.719
from Knox County Career Center and moved
to Steamboat Springs in Colorado. On the

483
00:36:52.760 --> 00:36:58.440
twenty eighth of August two thousand,
Matthews set fire to a condo building after

484
00:36:58.519 --> 00:37:01.280
breaking in to rob it, like
he'd been in the home previously because he

485
00:37:01.360 --> 00:37:06.519
was doing plumbing work. And when
he was doing that work, he stole

486
00:37:06.519 --> 00:37:09.400
a set of keys from a drawer
to get it normal, so it's pre

487
00:37:09.519 --> 00:37:13.960
planned in the first place, and
then really gets there because he knows the

488
00:37:13.960 --> 00:37:15.960
owner is like out of town for
a while. He stays for a while,

489
00:37:16.000 --> 00:37:20.199
He relaxes, he eats some food, he watches their TV, he

490
00:37:20.320 --> 00:37:24.239
uses their Kuzy like he's having a
grand old time. He caused playing having

491
00:37:24.239 --> 00:37:28.159
a normal life. Right now,
Jesus Christ, what's it like to be

492
00:37:28.239 --> 00:37:30.559
rich. I don't know, let's
go and rob this house and sitting there

493
00:37:30.639 --> 00:37:37.760
jakus in the and then he left. But then he realized, oh fuck,

494
00:37:37.800 --> 00:37:40.280
I probably left a shipload of evidence
behind that I was there, probably

495
00:37:40.360 --> 00:37:45.079
left every single type of DNA behind. Yeah, exactly. So you know

496
00:37:45.079 --> 00:37:50.119
what I'm gonna do. I'm gonna
go and buy ten gallons or ten leaders

497
00:37:50.119 --> 00:37:52.559
I think it's the same, I
don't know, a fuel of petrol,

498
00:37:52.760 --> 00:37:54.639
and I'm gonna bring it back,
pour it all over the place and set

499
00:37:54.639 --> 00:37:58.760
the fucking place on fire, because
then nobody will know I was there.

500
00:37:58.880 --> 00:38:01.360
That's that's a lot of it's a
lot of fuel, you know, Like

501
00:38:01.679 --> 00:38:06.960
you don't need that much, Like
are you trying to set the whole fucking

502
00:38:07.079 --> 00:38:10.639
state on fire? Or Well,
it did do quite a bit of damage,

503
00:38:10.679 --> 00:38:15.599
and but luckily nobody was hurt.
Sixteen people were evacuated, and he

504
00:38:15.639 --> 00:38:20.840
had caused about two million dollars worth
of damages, but nobody got Hurt's well,

505
00:38:20.840 --> 00:38:24.679
thank god nobody got hurt. Two
million damages? She's christ. Yeah,

506
00:38:24.719 --> 00:38:29.239
Like I think there was smoke damaged
two of the condos, and then

507
00:38:29.360 --> 00:38:32.559
there was like eight houses or something
surrounding that people had to be evacuated from

508
00:38:32.599 --> 00:38:37.159
something like that. Apparently in late
September of the same year, Matthew also

509
00:38:37.199 --> 00:38:42.440
stole some of the ten signs that
said Welcome to Steamboat Springs that were also

510
00:38:42.480 --> 00:38:45.079
pretty expensive, and I believe like
stealing those signs actually carries a pretty heavy

511
00:38:45.079 --> 00:38:50.519
weight. Why would you steal that
might be a felony. Why would you

512
00:38:50.559 --> 00:38:54.039
steal them? What do you need
them for? I don't know, Like

513
00:38:54.119 --> 00:38:57.639
we've all seen people that have like, you know, signs hanging up in

514
00:38:57.679 --> 00:39:00.000
their bedroom that they've stolen from like
crossroads since so, I mean, I

515
00:39:00.079 --> 00:39:06.079
guess I just but like I think
this is actually a pretty big, hefty

516
00:39:06.159 --> 00:39:08.039
sign. It's like welcome to Steamboat
Springs, you know, as you're driving

517
00:39:08.039 --> 00:39:14.119
in probably cause fucking thousands. And
he's just like that will go nice in

518
00:39:14.280 --> 00:39:19.760
my sitting room. I may not
have making cups, but I have a

519
00:39:19.880 --> 00:39:24.119
welcome to Steamboat Yeah. I don't
know if his interior decorating skills are very

520
00:39:24.159 --> 00:39:30.639
good, and we'll actually see more
of that later two, but his interior

521
00:39:30.679 --> 00:39:34.719
decorating so he of course was caught
and in two thousand and one he was

522
00:39:34.760 --> 00:39:37.400
given an eight year sentence for the
fire, and he was told that he

523
00:39:37.400 --> 00:39:40.400
would need to pay back some of
the money for restitution. He got out

524
00:39:40.440 --> 00:39:45.639
after only six years for good behavior
and was on parole. He was allowed

525
00:39:45.679 --> 00:39:49.199
to move back to Apple Valley in
Ohio in two thousand and seven under the

526
00:39:49.239 --> 00:39:52.039
conditions that he lived with his mother. And he had just paid about five

527
00:39:52.119 --> 00:39:58.119
K back. Now somehow, I
don't really know. I think it was

528
00:39:58.199 --> 00:40:01.559
cheap, but my he managed to
buy at home. And it's like,

529
00:40:02.079 --> 00:40:06.559
if you're being ordered to pay back
like two mill how are you getting a

530
00:40:06.599 --> 00:40:08.840
fucking loan? Like, how did
you get the money for this for to

531
00:40:08.880 --> 00:40:13.039
buy at home? His mother probably
got the loan. I was like,

532
00:40:13.159 --> 00:40:16.719
get the fuck out of my HAPs. Probably, I'd say there was some

533
00:40:16.840 --> 00:40:22.159
kind of like I don't know,
fucking around that went on there, but

534
00:40:22.280 --> 00:40:24.280
he did. And it was listed
as a second address. And I think

535
00:40:24.280 --> 00:40:29.000
the first address that was listed was
belonging to him in like the DVLA or

536
00:40:29.000 --> 00:40:32.480
whatever the fuck's called, and was
like his mother's address or an address that

537
00:40:32.559 --> 00:40:37.239
belonged to his stepfather. I heard
two different things, yeah, or not

538
00:40:37.280 --> 00:40:42.000
to his steff father, to his
father. Anyway, Matthew lived in this

539
00:40:42.119 --> 00:40:45.039
house with his then girlfriend and her
child. It's a normal two story home

540
00:40:45.239 --> 00:40:50.719
in what was reported as being a
quote lower middle class neighborhood. The neighbors

541
00:40:50.760 --> 00:40:52.920
said that initially he was nice.
He was like absolutely lovely. He'd bring

542
00:40:52.920 --> 00:40:57.239
the kids home for movies and hang
out with them and just super chill.

543
00:40:57.880 --> 00:41:01.199
But this actually stopped when he made
one of the neighbor's daughters uncomfortable by bringing

544
00:41:01.239 --> 00:41:06.639
her on a like a long route
home one night, like an out of

545
00:41:06.679 --> 00:41:12.760
the way way. Yeah, and
she was like, yeah, never again,

546
00:41:12.800 --> 00:41:16.880
You're not coming near my fucking kids. Yeah. Then his dogs disappeared.

547
00:41:16.960 --> 00:41:21.840
I believe he too, and the
neighbor is convinced that he killed him.

548
00:41:22.000 --> 00:41:25.960
I just girded the fucking dogs.
And it wasn't long after that that

549
00:41:27.039 --> 00:41:30.880
it became very apparent that Matthew was
killing squirrels to eat them, because obviously

550
00:41:30.880 --> 00:41:37.519
they're in a wooded area. Yeah, they're very Yeah, why eat Matthew.

551
00:41:38.719 --> 00:41:43.039
Matthew, honey, Okay, this
has to do with him, like

552
00:41:43.119 --> 00:41:45.000
thinking, Ada, he's a hunter. M b. He's quite cheap.

553
00:41:45.519 --> 00:41:50.079
You can buy minutes for cheap.
I'm sorry, you can get cheap cheap

554
00:41:50.119 --> 00:41:54.199
meat at the butcher's why, like
even deer. You you're allowed to hunt

555
00:41:54.239 --> 00:41:58.719
deer. That would be a bit
better. That would be a bit better.

556
00:41:59.639 --> 00:42:04.760
You want to eat squirrels, It's
pretty sure they carry diseases. No,

557
00:42:05.440 --> 00:42:08.000
probably do people say they're like the
rats of the trees, not as

558
00:42:08.000 --> 00:42:15.039
pigeons, rats of the sky the
trees. That's me. I'm pretty sure

559
00:42:15.159 --> 00:42:23.239
rats of the trees are just rats. Yeah. And then he would get

560
00:42:23.320 --> 00:42:29.119
up and he would just sit in
trees for hours. That's not just like

561
00:42:29.599 --> 00:42:34.519
no, he would perch himself up
there and just watch, like out of

562
00:42:34.559 --> 00:42:37.000
all the things that you could have
said, that is not what I thought

563
00:42:37.079 --> 00:42:40.760
was coming like that. He just
would climb trees and sit there for a

564
00:42:40.760 --> 00:42:49.559
while and be like hey, yeah. So one thing about Matthew is he

565
00:42:49.599 --> 00:42:52.639
really fucking loves trees and he really
loves leaves. And I don't know if

566
00:42:52.639 --> 00:42:55.719
it's like a sexual thing. I
don't know if he was, like you

567
00:42:55.760 --> 00:43:00.719
know, at this day and age, it probably fucking is in sexual because

568
00:43:00.719 --> 00:43:04.880
he sends like a little fucking freak. Well, there's a name on it.

569
00:43:04.880 --> 00:43:09.440
It's called dendrophilia. Of course,
there's a name for it. Yeah,

570
00:43:09.440 --> 00:43:14.760
And I don't know if that's if
the trees brought him like an innocence

571
00:43:14.920 --> 00:43:17.159
type of comfort, or if they
were a sexual comfort. If I don't

572
00:43:17.159 --> 00:43:24.840
know if the trees gave him would
either way, Matthew, there's no need

573
00:43:24.920 --> 00:43:30.320
to go climbing and sitting in them, being like no looking me into the

574
00:43:30.360 --> 00:43:32.199
neighbor's garden too, And it got
to a point where the neighbor was like,

575
00:43:32.280 --> 00:43:35.719
no, kids, you're not allowed
outside. If Matthew is outside,

576
00:43:35.760 --> 00:43:38.360
no way, like that's okay.
So I could not find any information on

577
00:43:38.360 --> 00:43:42.320
who Matthew's girlfriend at the time was, and to be honest, I didn't

578
00:43:42.320 --> 00:43:46.800
really look that hard because she's not
involved. The only thing I will say

579
00:43:46.880 --> 00:43:52.559
is that in October of twenty ten, so a couple of weeks I think

580
00:43:52.599 --> 00:43:57.719
it was like three weeks before Tina's
disappearance, Tina and the kid's disappearance and

581
00:43:57.719 --> 00:44:01.400
Stephanie's his girlfriend. The X did
file a report against him, stating that

582
00:44:01.440 --> 00:44:05.920
he had assaulted her and when she
returned back to the house because they had

583
00:44:05.960 --> 00:44:10.039
broken up and she went back to
the house to get her car and then

584
00:44:10.519 --> 00:44:15.880
he just lost it. Assaulted her, like he choked her. He used

585
00:44:15.880 --> 00:44:20.280
his forearm and like pushed up against
the wall and then like jumped on her

586
00:44:20.360 --> 00:44:22.920
basically, and she she genuinely thought
like always going to kill me, but

587
00:44:23.719 --> 00:44:27.079
he let her go and he was
like, oh my god, I don't

588
00:44:27.119 --> 00:44:29.719
know what just come over me.
And she was like, I'm Eddie here.

589
00:44:30.440 --> 00:44:34.000
Around the same time, Matthew lost
his job as a tree trimmer because

590
00:44:34.039 --> 00:44:38.239
he had completely exagger yeah, you
know, he completely exaggerated his experience and

591
00:44:38.360 --> 00:44:45.280
had apparently made the supervisor uncomfortable.
And he was probably Triman the leave like,

592
00:44:45.679 --> 00:44:50.719
oh yeah, maybe you like that. Oh no, no, no,

593
00:44:52.360 --> 00:44:59.440
of course he got a fucking job, Triman leaves. Yeah. Yeah.

594
00:44:59.519 --> 00:45:01.280
When you think about it, you're
like, that's like, I don't

595
00:45:01.280 --> 00:45:07.559
know, why would you even compare
that too. That's like it's not as

596
00:45:07.599 --> 00:45:10.320
a stream, it's not as extreme, but it's like a pedophile getting a

597
00:45:10.400 --> 00:45:15.400
job and a fucking crash or something
I did. I was gonna. I

598
00:45:15.639 --> 00:45:20.320
was thinking that it's like not as
extreme obviously because his thing is trees,

599
00:45:20.679 --> 00:45:24.840
but like, so that's Matthew and
that's where we're at right now. Detectives

600
00:45:24.880 --> 00:45:30.159
started to piece things together and realized
the man an officer had pulled up on

601
00:45:30.599 --> 00:45:36.400
before, like in the arrows said
that he was waiting on Sarah Yeah in

602
00:45:36.480 --> 00:45:40.400
a silver arrows like next to ten
years car. On November fourteenth, twenty

603
00:45:40.480 --> 00:45:45.840
ten, a swat team descended an
On Hoffman's house on Columbus Road. They

604
00:45:45.840 --> 00:45:47.840
had gotten a no knock warrant and
used a battering ram to break in the

605
00:45:47.880 --> 00:45:53.519
door before throwing a flashbang device in
to stun anyone inside. They found halfman

606
00:45:53.599 --> 00:45:58.599
asleep on the couch in the living
room. A detective took him outside while

607
00:45:58.599 --> 00:46:00.920
the rest of the house was searched, and they found a lot of questionable

608
00:46:00.960 --> 00:46:06.920
things in this yes, And to
start, the first thing they noticed was

609
00:46:07.000 --> 00:46:14.119
leaves absolutely fucking everywhere. Why is
the leaves inside this man's home? Oh,

610
00:46:14.159 --> 00:46:19.679
my grant, what is wrong?
Why? No? Why is he

611
00:46:19.880 --> 00:46:28.519
actually so fucking obsessed with treason ly? That's fucking weird. I don't know.

612
00:46:28.639 --> 00:46:31.239
And can you imagine the fucking bugs
and shit that come with that?

613
00:46:31.320 --> 00:46:37.920
Like no smell, sweet baby Jesus, what is wrong with that? When

614
00:46:37.960 --> 00:46:42.519
I tell you there are piles that
are like they look to be like waist

615
00:46:42.639 --> 00:46:49.800
high. That's not even the worst
of it. Leaves he had bags,

616
00:46:49.800 --> 00:46:52.039
some of these in grocery bags.
And if you go into the bathroom.

617
00:46:52.119 --> 00:46:57.840
His whole all his bathroom was completely
lined with grocery bags full of leaves.

618
00:47:00.920 --> 00:47:12.920
It's not normal, it's not it's
not. I guess I can't. And

619
00:47:13.840 --> 00:47:16.800
yeah with you, Matthew, I
can't. And if you think about it,

620
00:47:16.840 --> 00:47:22.599
like the SWAT team through in a
flash bang device, they're very fucking

621
00:47:22.679 --> 00:47:28.320
lucky nothing went on fire. That
I mean, they honestly weren't expecting a

622
00:47:28.320 --> 00:47:36.559
fuck ton of leaves to be inside
this man um. They did also find

623
00:47:36.639 --> 00:47:40.719
an inactive weed firm in one of
the bedrooms, so like even more like

624
00:47:42.400 --> 00:47:45.000
the store leaves even more different types. Yeah, and you know what,

625
00:47:45.119 --> 00:47:49.159
he probably wasn't even smoking the weed. He probably just wanted to grow it

626
00:47:49.199 --> 00:47:52.119
to look at it. Yeah,
Like, I'm imagining this guy like rolling

627
00:47:52.159 --> 00:47:54.519
around and ladies, you know,
the way you see dogs running rent and

628
00:47:54.559 --> 00:48:00.039
as tim day and day out,
and he's like rolling around in it with

629
00:48:00.199 --> 00:48:07.159
like childish glee. The SWAT team
then moved a bookcase or kind of cabinet

630
00:48:07.199 --> 00:48:09.679
thing to the side that then uncovered
a door to the basement where they found

631
00:48:09.760 --> 00:48:15.440
thirteen year old Sarah Maynard and with
the yellow rope and duct tape wearing a

632
00:48:15.519 --> 00:48:19.239
makeshift nappy over her clothes. Oh
God, she's lying. She's also lying

633
00:48:19.239 --> 00:48:22.639
on a bed of leaves by the
way, and her first words to officers

634
00:48:22.639 --> 00:48:28.440
were quote, I have to get
to school. Oh it's like four days

635
00:48:28.519 --> 00:48:31.119
later, she was immediately taken to
the hospital to be checked over and answer

636
00:48:31.199 --> 00:48:35.599
some questions. She had no idea
what had happened to the rest of her

637
00:48:35.599 --> 00:48:39.039
family and to Stephanie, but was
sure that they had been killed. She

638
00:48:39.159 --> 00:48:43.760
and Larry were reunited here. Larry
said he remembers, and this broke my

639
00:48:44.320 --> 00:48:47.119
heart. He remembers getting the call
that they had found Sarah, but they

640
00:48:47.159 --> 00:48:52.960
didn't mention Tina and Stephanie or Cody, and he was obviously ecstatic to go

641
00:48:53.000 --> 00:48:55.880
and see Sarah. But he did
make note of that that they didn't mention

642
00:48:55.920 --> 00:49:00.599
anybody else. He was like,
oh, you only found like not only

643
00:49:00.679 --> 00:49:02.119
but like pank, God, you
found her, but she's the only one

644
00:49:02.159 --> 00:49:07.280
you found. Yeah. Halfman was
taken to County jail and was charged initially

645
00:49:07.280 --> 00:49:13.199
with kidnapping Detective Joe Deeds and Special
Agent Kristen Cadell. I believe it's how

646
00:49:13.199 --> 00:49:15.559
you say your second name. We're
there to question Matthew, who stayed mostly

647
00:49:15.599 --> 00:49:21.000
silent, and he tried to use
his hands to try and communicate, like

648
00:49:21.079 --> 00:49:23.840
he's like knocking on his chest to
be like hurt. And then he was

649
00:49:23.880 --> 00:49:28.480
like making this movement with his hands
to be like broken. And Joe's like,

650
00:49:29.280 --> 00:49:31.679
are you trying to tell me that
your your heart's broken? But Matthew

651
00:49:31.679 --> 00:49:37.199
won't talk. Okay, you're going
to try and play crazy now, Matthew.

652
00:49:38.639 --> 00:49:43.360
Yeah, And they don't have time, Like time is of the essence

653
00:49:43.360 --> 00:49:46.519
because they still have three missing people. They need to know if these three

654
00:49:46.519 --> 00:49:51.840
people are still alive, like they're
obviously because they found Sarah. They're hopeful

655
00:49:52.840 --> 00:49:57.800
that maybe the other three or just
somewhere else. Yeah, exactly. Now,

656
00:49:57.840 --> 00:50:01.119
at the same time they kind of
that they are likely dead. You

657
00:50:01.199 --> 00:50:06.280
do have to have a certain ment
of hope. So no matter what,

658
00:50:06.320 --> 00:50:08.480
they don't try and build a report
didn't work. And when he did talk,

659
00:50:08.599 --> 00:50:12.800
Hawfman was just talking about how much
of a monster he is if he's

660
00:50:12.920 --> 00:50:15.320
done the things that they're telling him
he's done. Oh, give us a

661
00:50:15.440 --> 00:50:22.199
break. You know exactly what you've
done, Matthew. He says that he

662
00:50:22.280 --> 00:50:24.639
doesn't know how Sarah got into his
house, but when he realized that she

663
00:50:24.840 --> 00:50:28.679
was there, that he took really
good care of her. He led her

664
00:50:28.719 --> 00:50:34.280
shower, he fed her. Did
you did you? That's so kind of

665
00:50:34.320 --> 00:50:37.559
you. What about the fact that
you fucking murdered her brother, mother and

666
00:50:37.599 --> 00:50:40.519
her mother's friend and her dog.
He's like, no, I fed her,

667
00:50:40.559 --> 00:50:43.960
we got we had burgers, I
let her shower, I washed her

668
00:50:44.000 --> 00:50:47.199
clothes, we played the wee together. I gave her a book. Like,

669
00:50:47.679 --> 00:50:52.440
but Sarah, obviously you know,
She's like, no, none of

670
00:50:52.480 --> 00:50:57.360
that happened. He kept me downstairs
and he was just really fucking weird.

671
00:50:57.440 --> 00:51:00.840
He offered to give me squirrel to
cook me earl, and when I said

672
00:51:00.880 --> 00:51:05.880
no to that, he gave her
sour milk and cereal and she was like,

673
00:51:06.400 --> 00:51:08.159
well, I had to fucking eat
it, because yeah, because she

674
00:51:08.320 --> 00:51:12.000
was to eat nothing else was coming
my way. Oh god, oh.

675
00:51:12.639 --> 00:51:15.559
On the morning of the sixteenth of
November, Hoffman changed his tune. After

676
00:51:15.559 --> 00:51:21.000
his breakfast of a McMuffin and coffee, he asked in the interrogation room if

677
00:51:21.000 --> 00:51:23.920
everything was being recorded. Then he
asked if he could go to the bathroom,

678
00:51:24.159 --> 00:51:29.559
quote because this coffee is getting to
me, which like same, I

679
00:51:29.639 --> 00:51:34.320
mean, okay, I'll get that
happens to me too, and we'll find

680
00:51:34.360 --> 00:51:38.719
out what happened in the bathroom after
this quick at break, Okay, and

681
00:51:38.760 --> 00:51:44.079
we're back. So Deats brought him
to the bathroom, where Hoffman confided in

682
00:51:44.199 --> 00:51:46.480
him that he had had a nightmare
the night before that he would that he

683
00:51:46.599 --> 00:51:51.599
was at a food processing plant and
he opened a bin bag and saw severed

684
00:51:51.800 --> 00:51:55.239
body parts inside. He said that
he would reveal the location of the bodies

685
00:51:55.280 --> 00:51:59.199
by writing them on a piece of
paper and giving them to his lawyer.

686
00:52:00.000 --> 00:52:04.760
The lawyer would be instructed to only
provide the letter to law enforcement after Hoffman

687
00:52:04.840 --> 00:52:09.119
would be shot to death by police
on an escape attempt. So he's like,

688
00:52:09.199 --> 00:52:12.800
So he's like, I'll tell you
where the bodies are, but if

689
00:52:12.840 --> 00:52:15.800
you kill me right now and don't
make me go to trial. Yeah,

690
00:52:15.840 --> 00:52:17.840
he's like, I want you to. I want you to kill me.

691
00:52:17.880 --> 00:52:22.599
I'm going to try and escape and
then you're going to shoot me and I'm

692
00:52:22.639 --> 00:52:23.800
going to die, and then you
can find out where the bodies are.

693
00:52:25.760 --> 00:52:31.800
And obviously this request was refused.
Yeah, they're obviously like, no,

694
00:52:32.000 --> 00:52:36.239
we're not going to kill you.
No, we're not going to give you

695
00:52:36.280 --> 00:52:42.079
exactly what you want and not even
know then what happened. And then after

696
00:52:42.119 --> 00:52:45.000
that was refused to Matthew confess that
he just made that whole thing up,

697
00:52:45.119 --> 00:52:47.239
the dream about being at the food
processing plant, just so he could get

698
00:52:47.280 --> 00:52:53.360
started on his escape plan. Matthew
was held and on one million dollar bail,

699
00:52:53.639 --> 00:52:59.039
showing up to the hearing in a
suicide gown or an anti suicide smock,

700
00:52:59.119 --> 00:53:02.000
which is like a green padded dress
which doesn't allow for much movement and

701
00:53:02.039 --> 00:53:06.239
it can't be ripped. The gas
thing is the tho. I'm sorry,

702
00:53:06.239 --> 00:53:08.280
but there was no way he was
actually ever going to harm himself. He

703
00:53:08.360 --> 00:53:13.559
just wanted to be all like,
wait till you hear, Wait till you

704
00:53:13.679 --> 00:53:15.400
fucking hear. Oh my god,
you hit the nail on the head.

705
00:53:16.360 --> 00:53:21.199
Because even though at one point Matthew
wanted nothing more than to die and be

706
00:53:21.320 --> 00:53:23.960
shot, it was ultimately his will
to stay alive that traced police back to

707
00:53:24.000 --> 00:53:30.440
Tina. Cody and Stephanie Hoffman signed
a deal that took the death sentence off

708
00:53:30.440 --> 00:53:35.480
the table if he provided their location. See, he doesn't actually really want

709
00:53:35.519 --> 00:53:38.519
to die. He just wants the
fucking feel thory for me, because I

710
00:53:38.519 --> 00:53:43.079
feel bad about what I did so
like I should. Yeah, toads die.

711
00:53:43.400 --> 00:53:46.599
Please don't give me the death penalty. He's just a fucking master manipulator.

712
00:53:46.679 --> 00:53:54.559
He's just a fucking scumbag, and
I don't know. I don't get

713
00:53:54.639 --> 00:54:00.719
him. But on November eighteenth,
police were given directions to a spot in

714
00:54:00.760 --> 00:54:04.719
Cocoasing Wildlife Area where they found a
large tree with a whole cut in the

715
00:54:05.159 --> 00:54:09.920
shaft was in a fucking tree yep. Using a flashlight, officers were able

716
00:54:09.920 --> 00:54:14.119
to see the inside of the tree, where there was black plastic bags.

717
00:54:14.480 --> 00:54:16.880
The detectives gently cut a hole out
of the tree to make it easy for

718
00:54:16.920 --> 00:54:22.599
them to pull the bags out,
and multiple black bin bags were recovered containing

719
00:54:22.639 --> 00:54:25.559
the dismembered body parts of forty one
year old Stephanie Sprang, thirty two year

720
00:54:25.599 --> 00:54:30.199
old Tina Herman, eleven year old
Cody Maynard, as well as Tannered the

721
00:54:30.239 --> 00:54:34.320
dog. Hoffman wrote out a long
confession where he explained what he had done.

722
00:54:35.079 --> 00:54:37.199
He liked to break into people's homes, and he realized that the house

723
00:54:37.239 --> 00:54:42.440
and King Beach Drive did not have
a lot of neighbors. He set up

724
00:54:42.440 --> 00:54:45.440
camp on the night of November ninth, sitting in the woods across from the

725
00:54:45.519 --> 00:54:49.760
home, watching the comings and goings
of the house. He slept there that

726
00:54:49.880 --> 00:54:54.360
night, having even brought his own
sleeping bag. I'm going to read and

727
00:54:54.480 --> 00:54:59.840
excerpt from the confession. I parked
my car and Howard and walked from there

728
00:54:59.840 --> 00:55:02.280
to the house. I got to
the woods across the street from the house

729
00:55:02.320 --> 00:55:06.760
a little after midnight. I slept
across the street from the house that night

730
00:55:06.760 --> 00:55:09.400
in a sleeping bag. I woke
up at daylight. There were two vehicles

731
00:55:09.440 --> 00:55:13.159
parked at the house during the night, and I saw that the Gray care

732
00:55:13.239 --> 00:55:15.840
had left. I went back to
sleep until around nine on Wednesday morning.

733
00:55:16.199 --> 00:55:20.920
I stayed there until a woman left
in a pickup truck. This meant that

734
00:55:20.920 --> 00:55:23.599
there were no vehicles at the house. I walked across the street and tried

735
00:55:23.599 --> 00:55:27.840
to enter the front door, but
it was locked. I then went into

736
00:55:27.840 --> 00:55:30.000
the garage door. The garage door
was not closed all the way, so

737
00:55:30.000 --> 00:55:34.719
I slid under it into the garage. I kicked the door into the house

738
00:55:34.760 --> 00:55:37.840
from the garage. By this time
it was approximately ten thirty am Wednesday morning.

739
00:55:38.280 --> 00:55:40.599
I looked around the house to make
sure no one was there. Even

740
00:55:40.679 --> 00:55:44.519
if I did not take anything,
there was a certain amount of excitement in

741
00:55:44.639 --> 00:55:47.599
being in someone else's home without them
being there. I was looking for anything

742
00:55:47.599 --> 00:55:52.280
of value that could be carried out
easily, money, jewelry, etc.

743
00:55:52.360 --> 00:55:55.880
I did not find anything of any
real value. I was getting ready to

744
00:55:55.960 --> 00:56:00.000
leave, as I had been there
approximately an hour, but someone pulled into

745
00:56:00.079 --> 00:56:02.519
the driveway. I was back in
the bedroom when she entered the house and

746
00:56:02.559 --> 00:56:07.920
was unable to exit without breaking a
window or trying to jump out. I

747
00:56:07.960 --> 00:56:10.320
had brought my knife for a certain
amount of intimidation in case I ran into

748
00:56:10.360 --> 00:56:15.000
someone and needed to make an escape. When she made her way back into

749
00:56:15.079 --> 00:56:17.039
the bedrooms, I confronted her and
made her get onto the bed, lying

750
00:56:17.039 --> 00:56:21.960
face down. I believe that we
were in her bedroom. I had a

751
00:56:21.960 --> 00:56:24.199
blackjack. I was going to try
to knock her out. I hit her

752
00:56:24.239 --> 00:56:27.760
a couple of times in the head, but this would not knock her out.

753
00:56:28.079 --> 00:56:30.480
It was not doing the job,
and I started panicking. The next

754
00:56:30.480 --> 00:56:34.239
thing that I knew, her friend
came into the bedroom. I had no

755
00:56:34.320 --> 00:56:37.519
idea when she got there, what
she was doing there and how she gained

756
00:56:37.559 --> 00:56:40.440
access. This other woman yelled at
me. There were now two to deal

757
00:56:40.440 --> 00:56:44.440
with, and I did not know
what to do. I grabbed the knife

758
00:56:44.440 --> 00:56:46.199
that I had put inn on the
nightstand and stabbed the woman on the bed,

759
00:56:46.480 --> 00:56:51.480
threw her back twice. I chased
the other woman, den Stephanie,

760
00:56:51.679 --> 00:56:54.440
and stabbed her a couple of times
in the chest. Instead of running out

761
00:56:54.440 --> 00:56:59.159
of the house, she had run
into another bedroom. I believe this bedroom

762
00:56:59.239 --> 00:57:01.840
was for a girl to the contents
of the room. I then went back

763
00:57:01.840 --> 00:57:05.840
to the other bedroom where the first
one was located, and stabbed her a

764
00:57:05.880 --> 00:57:09.679
couple more times. I could tell
that both women were now dead. At

765
00:57:09.679 --> 00:57:14.000
this time, I was in a
total state of shock. I wandered around

766
00:57:14.039 --> 00:57:16.239
the house, slowly coming to the
realization of what I had done and how

767
00:57:16.239 --> 00:57:20.800
bad it was. During this time, I killed the dog because it would

768
00:57:20.800 --> 00:57:23.440
not stop barking. After a while, I came to the conclusion that I

769
00:57:23.480 --> 00:57:28.519
was going to dispose of the bodies
and burn the house down. At first,

770
00:57:28.559 --> 00:57:30.719
I thought about loading the bodies into
the vehicle and driving it into the

771
00:57:30.719 --> 00:57:35.559
foundation park pond. I would swim
away as the vehicle sank, but I

772
00:57:35.599 --> 00:57:37.360
felt that it was too cold and
I might not make and I might not

773
00:57:37.400 --> 00:57:42.159
be able to make it out of
the water. I decided to process the

774
00:57:42.159 --> 00:57:45.440
bodies and dispose of them inside a
tree that I knew was hollow. I

775
00:57:45.519 --> 00:57:49.679
took the bodies into the bathroom and
begin processing the bodies to dispose of them.

776
00:57:49.800 --> 00:57:52.920
I used garbage bags from within the
house and place the bodies inside.

777
00:57:52.559 --> 00:57:55.480
Once I had finished processing the bodies, I moved the jeep into the guard

778
00:57:55.559 --> 00:58:00.400
to load up the bodies. I
still had a couple of bags into the

779
00:58:00.440 --> 00:58:04.280
jeep when I heard the children come
into the house. I confronted the children,

780
00:58:04.320 --> 00:58:07.480
and the girl instantly ran to a
bedroom. I stabbed the boy in

781
00:58:07.519 --> 00:58:09.679
the chest a couple of times.
I ran into the bedroom after the girl

782
00:58:09.760 --> 00:58:13.679
to make sure she was not on
the phone for help. I saw the

783
00:58:13.719 --> 00:58:15.320
girl was not on the phone,
and I could not bring myself to kill

784
00:58:15.360 --> 00:58:20.280
her. End quote. He then
brought Sarah back to his hell hole,

785
00:58:20.320 --> 00:58:23.639
where he sexually assaulted her and tied
her up. He was sentenced to life

786
00:58:23.679 --> 00:58:28.880
in prison without the possibility of parole. In court, he stated loudly guilty

787
00:58:28.960 --> 00:58:31.039
for all of his other fucking families, which was like ten, but once

788
00:58:31.039 --> 00:58:35.840
it got to the sexual assault charge, he barely spoke up. Knowing what

789
00:58:35.920 --> 00:58:42.199
happens two men like that in prison, the community really rallied and started to

790
00:58:42.239 --> 00:58:46.199
grieve together, also celebrating the very
full lies that the victim's led. A

791
00:58:46.320 --> 00:58:50.760
memorial was set up near the house, with people leaving gifts behind. The

792
00:58:50.840 --> 00:58:53.360
dairy Queen that Tina worked at donated
a portion of profits from ice cream and

793
00:58:53.400 --> 00:58:58.719
sales to have fun set up for
the surviving children. The tree was cut

794
00:58:58.719 --> 00:59:01.000
down to avoid it becoming a spectacle, to which I thought was great.

795
00:59:01.239 --> 00:59:05.960
Yeah, that's good because it can
there's people out there that would be like,

796
00:59:06.000 --> 00:59:09.920
oh my god, let's go see
the tree, the murder tree.

797
00:59:10.639 --> 00:59:15.360
And in court, Sarah wanted to
make a statement to Matthew to the court,

798
00:59:16.199 --> 00:59:19.280
but they didn't think that it would
be good for her to do that.

799
00:59:19.360 --> 00:59:22.719
So she wrote one and then the
prosecutor read it out loud, and

800
00:59:22.039 --> 00:59:27.079
it's really nice, she said.
Quote. Some memories of Cody. He

801
00:59:27.199 --> 00:59:30.360
was a left handed pitcher and he
was really good. A whole bunch of

802
00:59:30.400 --> 00:59:32.559
people always told him how good a
player he was. In life, he

803
00:59:32.639 --> 00:59:37.239
wanted to be a helicopter pilot in
the coast Guard. Some memories of Mom.

804
00:59:37.320 --> 00:59:39.840
She always made sure we were happy, and she went out and did

805
00:59:39.840 --> 00:59:43.480
stuff with Cody and me, even
though she didn't have that much money.

806
00:59:44.000 --> 00:59:46.199
She always made sure we had heat
in our house to stay warm, made

807
00:59:46.199 --> 00:59:50.280
sure we had food on our plates, nice clothes on, and that we

808
00:59:50.320 --> 00:59:53.039
had shoes on our feet. She
was a really caring woman and when someone

809
00:59:53.119 --> 00:59:57.440
needed help, she would take her
time to go help them. I loved

810
00:59:57.440 --> 00:59:59.920
her as a mother, even though
there were times we didn't get along.

811
01:00:00.320 --> 01:00:04.840
She loved dolphins and sunflowers. One
thing she said to me quote Sarah,

812
01:00:04.840 --> 01:00:07.599
when I die, I want you
to send me with the dolphins, and

813
01:00:07.800 --> 01:00:13.039
I will tell you a little bit
about me. I played softball for three

814
01:00:13.119 --> 01:00:16.159
years. I was so good at
it. I pulled in the outfield,

815
01:00:16.199 --> 01:00:20.199
and I played on the All Star
team over the summer. I loved it.

816
01:00:20.599 --> 01:00:23.480
I'm almost fourteen. I enjoy my
new school and the people there.

817
01:00:24.800 --> 01:00:28.800
Which that was her statement. So
she's like, fuck, you have not

818
01:00:28.920 --> 01:00:30.639
ruined my life. She's like,
what you did is horrible, but it

819
01:00:30.679 --> 01:00:37.000
doesn't change the fact that, like
my family were amazing and like I am

820
01:00:37.039 --> 01:00:42.039
amazing. Yeah, right, because
for like, that's a that's a powerful

821
01:00:42.079 --> 01:00:45.119
statement for thirteen fourteen year old to
make to write in the first place.

822
01:00:45.199 --> 01:00:51.280
It's really amazing and a lot of
the family statements. They they literally told

823
01:00:51.360 --> 01:00:52.519
him like, I hope you burn
in hell. Like it was nothing but

824
01:00:52.559 --> 01:00:54.920
the worst for Matthew, which like
he deserves, you know, he deserves.

825
01:00:55.239 --> 01:01:00.280
Yeah, Like it was literally just
like he didn't even know these people.

826
01:01:01.760 --> 01:01:07.599
No, he just literally picked the
house because it didn't have neighbors and

827
01:01:07.639 --> 01:01:09.559
because it had an easy point of
access because the guard shore was broken.

828
01:01:09.840 --> 01:01:15.639
Yeah, that's it. That's it, And just one last thing. Obviously,

829
01:01:15.639 --> 01:01:17.800
Sarah went to live with Larry and
Tracy after this, but in May

830
01:01:17.840 --> 01:01:22.639
of twenty and thirteen, she actually
reported them both for abuse, reporting that

831
01:01:22.719 --> 01:01:27.119
Larry had punched her in the back
and that Tracy had pushed her down the

832
01:01:27.239 --> 01:01:30.400
stairs. Oh my god, Now
she lives. I think now she lives

833
01:01:30.440 --> 01:01:32.679
with her grandmother. She might also
I think she's going by a different name

834
01:01:32.760 --> 01:01:38.679
too, which is fair enough.
She probably wants to not be associated with

835
01:01:38.840 --> 01:01:42.679
the crime, if you will,
so that people that aren't oh my god,

836
01:01:42.719 --> 01:01:46.880
are you the girl that Yeah,
like that's changing your name or anything

837
01:01:46.920 --> 01:01:50.360
like that. It's not going to
change the fact that you knew these people.

838
01:01:50.480 --> 01:01:52.639
That was your mother and your brother
and your friends. Well, it

839
01:01:52.760 --> 01:01:58.199
just stops people like strangers from asking
you about it, like when you are

840
01:01:58.239 --> 01:02:01.599
trying to move on with your life
exactly. And I don't believe that,

841
01:02:01.639 --> 01:02:06.840
like Larry and Tracy were prosecuted for
the abuse allegations, but it's a shitty

842
01:02:06.840 --> 01:02:12.119
ass thing to do, and like
they paraded her around doctor Phil and talk

843
01:02:12.159 --> 01:02:16.000
shows and shit like that. That's
wrong. That's wrong. Hm okay,

844
01:02:16.159 --> 01:02:20.920
but yeah, that's it. It's
a crazy fucking story. That is a

845
01:02:20.960 --> 01:02:28.840
crazy story. And I hope you
really enjoyed it, and we'll I know

846
01:02:29.719 --> 01:02:32.440
next week. Yeah, and don't
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01:02:32.480 --> 01:02:37.440
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848
01:02:37.519 --> 01:02:40.760
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If you left us a review, we

849
01:02:40.760 --> 01:02:45.199
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851
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852
01:02:53.199 --> 01:02:59.519
already done so. And we'll see
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853
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