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Welcome to Open Minds Radio with Alejandro
Roja. Open Minds Radio is the UFO

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news authority presenting evidence and the latest
news regarding the UFO phenomenon. Here's your

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host, Alejandro Roja. That is
I Alejandro. Thank you mister Deane for

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that lovely introduction. You are listening
to Open Minds Radio. We are your

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UFO news authority and we have a
great show today. Some good buddies of

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mine, Debbie siege Meyer and Chuck
Zukowski. Debbie is the state director for

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Mouffon in Missouri, where there has
been a lot of UFO action outside of

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Kansas City. Jason and I have
been talking about UFO sightings out there,

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debating a little bit about what might
be being seen out there, and so

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we brought on the person who's in
the know, and she's going to tell

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us all about the which I didn't
know. They're having all kinds of even

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more sightings than we've been talking about
out there, so they've got a lot

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going on. However, we're also
going to talk about, you know,

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I talked about this a little bit
on the last show, the thirty seventh

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latitude line and how when I looked
at UFO hotspots. I saw the states

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along that line in central United States, we're all hotspots. So we brought

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Chuck Zukowski on because he had sent
me some information a few weeks prior and

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said, hey, I found that
along the thirty seventh latitude line. There's

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something's range going on here and even
called it the paranormal Freeway. I kind

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of was like, yeah, whatever, and I deleted the email. No,

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I just kind of set the information
aside and decided to revisit it later.

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But I was shocked that because I
was working on this hotspots stuff that

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when I come up with that map, I showed something similar to what he

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had seen, and he sees it
mostly between Colorado and Missouri, where his

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sister is the state director. So
we've got him both on to talk about

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how they started working together in the
paranormal, what they've been up to,

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and all of this. I should
mention also that Debbie is a move On

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board director, so she's like one
of the big cheeses at move On right

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now. And this is new US
of just the last UFO move On symposium,

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So great news, lots to talk
about and with some fun people.

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So it's going to be a good
time. Another thing that is always a

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good time is talking UFO news,
and of course it Open Minds do TV.

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We keep up to be on all
of the latest headlines and we always

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bring this UFO news genius to the
show, Jason McClellan to share with us

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all of the latest stories. Jason, how are you My head is swelling?

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Yep, Well, UFO news genius
than silly guy. You greeting Zalajandro

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and hello everyone. This is your
Open Minds News Brief for Monday, October

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twenty fourth, twenty eleven. SETI
Institute Senior astronomer Seth Shostak says humans will

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detect extraterrestrial life in twenty years.
In a Popular Science article published by Jennifer

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Obassi last week, Shastak was asked
several questions about extraterrestrial life. When asked

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by Abassi about his timetable prediction for
finding extraterrestrial life, Shastak responded, in

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the course of the next twenty years, it just might happen. He explained,

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there are other places in the Solar
System that might have liquid water.

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To find it requires mounting a big
mission with rockets and robots and going to

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look. The timetable for that is
ten to twenty thirty years, depending on

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the funding. Funny was recently an
issue for SETI, the institute, which

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uses radio telescopes to listen for alien
signals, was forced to suspend operations that

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It's Allen telescope array back in April
twenty eleven due to funding issues, but

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after a successful fundraising campaign called SETI
Stars, the telescope array was brought back

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online in August. Boss He also
asked Shawstak when he thinks extraterrestriers will find

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us on Earth. He replied,
finding us is actually harder because how could

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they find us. You could conceivably
pick up our television, our radar,

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our FM radio, but you have
to be close enough for the signals to

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have gotten to within say seventy light
years. The number of stars within seventy

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light years is maybe a few tens
of thousands, but it's not a very

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big number. I don't know what
they're going to I don't know when they're

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going to find us, but maybe
when we've been on the air for a

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lot longer. It's kind of funny
his response, We can find them,

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but they can't find us. It's
ridiculous. I mean, he does point

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out that Earth is relatively young compared
to the rest of the universe, but

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still, I mean, we're using
the same idea here that they're going to

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find us based on our signals,
we're going to find them based on their

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signals. It's a long shut Yeah, it doesn't really make any sense,

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and it doesn't have there's no imagination
or foresight into civilizations that are much much

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more advanced than us. I mean, you know, just like people who

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Michiokaku, who make fun of kind
of these sort of statements that Setting makes

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or Shot Steck makes, is that
one hundred years ago, look at our

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technology, And I'm kind of that's
kind of how Michio talks. That's weird

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how I'm able to kind of channel
some Minia Mitchio. One hundred years ago,

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look at our technology. We were
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steam, and now look out of
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no way we would have been able
to imagine the iPhone and these technologies that

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we have now. So in one
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to be things that we could never
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going to be different and incredible.
So if you take these civilizations too,

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maybe around hundreds or thousands of years
longer than we have, their capabilities are

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just completely you know, unknown to
us. So it's kind of silly.

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And you know, depending on how
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technology or behind us in technology,
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we're not going around looking for somebody
sending out Morse code or something. I

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mean you think technology is old,
you're done with it, you move on.

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In fact, I think you know
it's a because I used to think

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about this. I used to ask
people, do you think one day we're

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going to travel in time? And
if they said yes, then that means

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that most likely someone from the future
is traveling here right now. You kind

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of believe that one is akin to
the other. And it's similar. If

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you believe there are advanced civilizations out
there that I say, let's say a

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thousand years more advanced than this,
then they probably have these monitoring technologies that

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are so far in advanced what we
may have that it's very possible, if

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not probable, And some of us
believe it's happening. We're being monitored right

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now. It's not that hard to
conceive. It don't like but also,

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you know, I do like to
point out that we do like to jump

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to that generalization that extraterrestrials are so
far beyond our technology. We like to

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do that huge grouping all extraterrestrials together. And you know, all throughout the

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Star Trek scenario, you have many
different types of extraterrestrials and they're all on

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different levels. I mean, look
at the FARRANGI they were morons, morons

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alle hundro know, they were very
fiscally intelligent. They certainly liked money.

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I wouldn't call them intelligence or money
grubbing. Well, everything for the dollars

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is that if there are civilizations thousands
of years beyond us, just one,

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that would mean that they have these
technologies that are beyond what we can even

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comprehend, and including monitoring technologies,
and they could be watching us. Right

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at least have it noted that there
are these talking monkeys on planet XJ forty

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three if they have any interest in
our old television shows? Yeah, well

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no, not even with radio.
There's multiple ways. There's light. We've

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been sending out light electric light now
for a number of years. They could

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be looking at that there's another of
different things that we radiate. It could

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be just like we do the different
gases. They could be seeing that there

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is pollution, and there's carbon,
there's people there, there's the technology to

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burn carbon and create electricity. They
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in our atmosphere to tell that there's
a civilization here. There's a number.

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We can't even imagine all the different
ways that they could be. Who knows,

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maybe they can even just monitor our
brain power. There's some sort of

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energy we don't know. Don't freak
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If they are looking at our light, they certainly could not have missed the

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beam of light coming off the Luxor
casino in Vegas. Maybe the Luxor when

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they switch that on. There were
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what's that holy cow that made contact? For sure, yep, there's some

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crazy monkeys on that planet that are
gambling their butts off. I hope they

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don't view us as monkeys. I
like monkeys, but I would be honored

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to be viewed as a monkey.
I love monkeys. They are pretty cool.

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Yeah. Well, In other news, Alejandro Gary Travis, resident of

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Myrtle Beach, South Carolina, recently
shot video of multiple UFOs in the night

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sky. Travis initially thought this series
of offshore lights could be airplane landing lights,

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but after observing the behavior of the
UFOs, this veteran pilot with forty

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years experience, ruled out airplane landing
light. He explained to NBC affiliate WMBF,

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these lights seemed to snap on and
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I even saw them rotate around each
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on an airplane. When it comes
to UFO setting reports, pilots are typically

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thought to be highly credible and reliable
witnesses due to the training and experience related

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to objects in flight. Journalist Leslie
Keynes twenty ten New York Times bestseller UFOs

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generals, pilots and government officials go
on the record, features eyewitness accounts for

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multiple pilots for this very reason.
According to WMBF, UFOs are reported fairly

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frequently in the Grand Strand area of
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Travis says he has never seen anything
like the mysterious lights he recently observed,

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and after we reported this story last
week, Gary Travis contacted US and clarified

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that his video was actually shot in
Ocean Isle Beach, North Carolina, rather

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than Middle Beach, South Carolina,
as originally reported. Oceanele Beach is approximately

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twenty miles north of Myrtle Beach,
and according to Travis the incident, it

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was the fourth time he'd seen these
orange lights in Ocean Aisle this year.

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The three previous sightings occurred back in
June. Travis recently uploaded his original high

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definition video of his latest sighting and
explains that quote captures total a dozen total

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objects at random points. Note that
the large orb at the top is the

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full moon and the lights on the
horizon in the distance is a lighthouse.

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A comment left on Travis's YouTube video
suggests that the lights could be military flares,

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but Travis responded, one of the
lights I didn't record was observed cruising

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horizontally at over one hundred miles per
hour. I've never seen a flare do

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that. I guess you had to
be there like I was. That's the

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whole thing with these investigations with people
like this guy is that he's an expert

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witness. He's a pilot, and
unlike some skeptics. I do believe that

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pilots are more educated on what they
see just that because they have the education.

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But unfortunately the video and the photos, you know, it's hard to

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really determine anything for us who weren't
there off of those things. So even

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these people commenting, well, that
looks like it could be this or that,

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which sometimes skeptics do, it's hard
unless you're there. The best thing

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you can have is just someone on
site, an expert witness like this.

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What's exciting about this story too,
is that he got ahold of us and

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sent us some more stuff, which
is really cool. And that's all you

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can do is just evaluate, which
is typical for Move On you they evaluate

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the credibility of the witness. In
this case, it's a highly credible witness

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and what he saw, and unfortunately
the video it's difficult to say it's something

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indefinitely right, Yeah, I mean
this particular story, you know, the

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witness testimony counts for a lot,
and that's the strongest part of the story

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because, like you said, you
look at the koto, you look at

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the video, and it really just
looks like airplane landing lights and right there

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at the very very beach. He's
talking about there's an airport right there,

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so you know, one would think
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But you have this pilot there who
is there frequently. He has forty

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years experience, he knows what landing
lights look like, and he describes other

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behaviors that weren't caption on video.
But you know, going on his word,

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there were these other behaviors that aren't
airplane behaviors. So yeah, if

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he was a you know, someone
like like me, someone who's maybe someone

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that's not related to but Joe Lunchbox, Joe Lunchbox, then maybe you could

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bow it off a little easier.
But I think these cases are a lot

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more interesting because I've talked to a
lot of these people and they're not arbitrarily

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calling everything a UFO, especially a
pilot. They're certain about what they see.

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Correct. We have another story here. Cameras at Lincoln Airport in Nebraska

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recorded a bright object streaking through the
early morning sky on Wednesday, October nineteenth,

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as it shot toward the earth.
Witnesses contacted the Lancaster County Sheriff's office

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to report the UFO. According to
ABC News, deputies were dispatched six miles

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northwest of Lincoln, where the mysterious
object was thought to have crashed down,

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but no debris or damage was located. But a similar UFO was seen in

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Sioux Falls, South Dakota at the
same time as the Lincoln UFO, so

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the two incidents are most likely one
and the same. Sioux Falls is more

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than two hundred miles north of Lincoln, so it's not surprising that deputies from

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the Lancaster County Sheriff's Office found no
debris during their surge. Aberdeen News reports

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that law enforcement officials were also called
by witnesses and Sioux Falls. One witness

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described that she was on her deck
and all of a sudden quote, the

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deck lit up in an orange and
blue object streaked off, leaving a trail

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of smoke behind end quote. She, like many other witnesses, was startled

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in unsure about what she observed.
Officers from Sue Falls Police Department also observed

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the streaking white in the sky,
but according to the August Ledger or August

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Leader, rather the National Weather Service
has offered their suggestion for what the UFO

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was. Tim Masters, a technician
with the National Weather Service, and seue

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Falls asserted it wasn't a UFO,
it was a meteor. Did you watch

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that one? All one hundred?
A video? It's actually I think there

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was a video with it, but
mainly the still well, it was a

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video and it has a streak.
It's just it lasts like four seconds long.

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The streak of light shooting down.
I don't remember. I read this

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story, but I don't remember the
video now, just a streak. It

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definitely looks like a typical media would, so it's difficult to tell anything beyond

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that. There weren't any bizarre behavior
descriptions that I saw, but a lot

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of typical media descriptions. And it
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multiple states, so that one most
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It's interesting how we're getting a lot
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have had a couple of comments close
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But it's interesting, Yeah, like
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I mean huge, and usually it
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those huge meteorites, except for every
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videos of those incredible fireballs, right, I mean more people have video cameras.

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maybe that is contributing. But you're
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about these meteors and big medias that
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are seeing across multiple states. And
according to astronomers and other people that they

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say, oh yeah, media are
no big deal. Well, they actually

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happen all the time, but we
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many videos of such bright meteors like
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with those. And I mean I've
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news stories on the website on a
daily basis. I've been doing that.

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I was doing that before Open Minds
with moufon for several years, so I've

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been following the headlines for years,
very closely daily. And yeah, it's

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only in like the last year that
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had a lot of the I guess
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are really big in the news.
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fireballs now too that could be meteors
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fireballs that make the news as well, so don't know what's up with that.

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What's going on? What's going on
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here's a very interesting story from last
week to British tourists allegedly recorded video

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of an extraterrestrial in Brazil's Mammoth region
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on a group of young children,
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in the background, there's a small
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of a tree, appearing to arch
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light in the video, just a
few feet from the supposed et. This

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light appears to hover in the air
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white. The identity of the tourists
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according to The Sun, paranormal writer
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tourists. Cohen, who told the
Son quote, this is highly compelling footage

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that will be hard to discredit.
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Hollywood producers wanting to use the footage
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video quote will be used in direct
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to highlight this as proof of this
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who operates the website anseweb dot com, has been accused of hoaxing and or

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promoting hoxed ufo et videos in the
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A recent example is that skinny Bob
Zeta reticular video that was like a aged

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video to look like it was supposedly
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and that video also had these strange, mysterious origins, and Michael Cohen happened

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to get this video well. Some
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Brazil video is nothing more than an
inflatable alien that would be consistent with the

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alien's behavior in the videos that doesn't
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However, the true identity could simply
be nature. What is assumed to

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be the alien's eye appears to be
nothing more than jungle foliage, but it's

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always possible that a genuine Extraterrescieri was
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to truly know what was recorded on
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want to be there. I think
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some of the pieces one looks like
what was the eyeball, or one part

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of it looks like it's to leave
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I think you're right. I think
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the glowing light is actually more interesting
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be something static. And the people
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couple of kids that look back through
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they're like eh, and they turned
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they're just kind of hanging out and
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they're not reacting to some alleged alien
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with the ORB, you know,
it's possible that is cgi though I don't

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know, probably not, you know. Mark D'Antoni suggested that that could be

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the sun coming through trees or something, and that's just the camera interpreting the

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data definitely changing the color on it. That's a possibility. He also suggests

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that he mentioned something about the head
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video. I didn't get that impression
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don't think the head actually moves,
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to be the head of this creature
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just makes it seem like it's two
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I think what actually moves are the
leaves that look like the eyeball in

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front of it that moves, and
it gives illusion that the head that's what

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I saw. The other thing is
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I don't know that he's ever hoaxed
anything but the Russian one, especially

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where the Russians supposedly found this alien
and it turned out to be chicken and

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bread. I mean, he denied
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the people who made it admitted it. And he suggested that, you know,

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the government tricked him into saying that
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you know, it was not real. So it could be that just he

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really believes his staff and gets excited
about it and has a hard time letting

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go. But he's certainly very very
quick information. Yeah, well, Hondra,

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I got one more story to push
out here. Let's go. Billy

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Ray Cyrus at a photo of multiple
UFOs yesterday. I know you're a big

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Billy Ray fan of Lejandro or more
of a fan of Miley Cyrus probably,

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but he posted the photo to his
Twitter account along with the description quote,

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Okay, my first UFO sighting looks
like five or six disc like shapes hovering.

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Special moment for Dad. I don't
know why he refers to himself as

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dad. That's kind of strange.
Lots of dad to do, especially because

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you know something that the other because
he was going to make that show with

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his kid debunking UFOs. Well,
I think anymore, most people know him

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for being Miley Cyrus's dad, and
in fact, well yeah, the Daily

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Tail that Daily Mail did their their
article today about this, and that's Miley's

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dad. Miley's dad. Yeah yeah. Back in September of last year,

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September twenty ten, the Sci Fi
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reality show called UFO Unbelievably Freaking Obvious, starring Billy Ray Cyrus and his son

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Trace, and that nothing is developed
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I mean, they were supposedly going
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and there has been no additional updates
with that. So Yeah, it could

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be that he thought he saw UFOs, or it could be that he was

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just an inside joke between him and
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of thing that people say is UFOs. Possibly possibly, Yeah, it's it's

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an interesting photo, but it looks
just like a sunset, a cloudy sunset

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and the sun shining on some splotchy
clouds. Yeah, that's really all that

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you can tell from the photo.
So I don't know what he saw in

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person, but I'm glad he's excited
about UFOs anyway, So hopefully he keeps

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looking. And I don't think I
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they're just going to make fun of
UFOs. Yeah, anyway, all one

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hundred. That is it for the
news for today. Remember to check out

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all of these stories and many many
more at open Minds dot tv, your

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source for UFO related news. I'm
Jason McLellan, your Open Lines news correspondent,

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and you have just been briefed back
to you, Alejandro. All right,

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thank you, Jason. Yeah.
A couple of the stories that we

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have on the website are, like
we've talked about the thirties to seven degree

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latitude line, which we're going to
talk to Chuck and Debbie about in just

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a minute. And then we also
have part two to that Mexican government and

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the twenty Mind calendar, where Antonio
had done some more research into the claims

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that the Mexican government's going to release
some information that the miyand had actually had

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relations with extraterrestrials. But without further
ado, let's go ahead and get our

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guests on the line, Chuck and
Debbie, the Paranormal Siblings. It is

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wonderful to have on the phone two
of my best buddies in general, the

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Paranormal Siblings parasibs. You guys call
yourself the parasibs because you know, you

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got to shorten everything. Chuck Sukowski
and Debbie Ziegelmayer. Hello, Hello,

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Hello. The only brother is the
Carnival team in the United States as far

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as we know of the world.
Thank you very much. There's probably others,

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but who knows. I'm not as
good as some. Come on,

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really, really, our calibers come
on, really, seriously exactly. Well,

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speaking of that, let me do
some introductions. We have Chucksukowski,

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who runs the blog website UFO net
dot com. He's done a lot of

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different type of paranormal work. You
do ghost hunting, bigfoot stuff, UFO

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stuff, I know, especially locally, and you've been on some TV shows,

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You've been on some national TV stuff, So you're a busy paranormal dude.

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Yes. And then there's Debbie.
And Debbie is a state director for

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MoveOn in Missouri, which has been
very busy because they've had a lot of

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UFO sightings. And congratulations because you
recently became so a board member of move

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On. But you're an interim board
member quick So when will they determine if

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they're going to keep you long term? Do you have to like capture a

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set number of extraterrestrials like in six
months or something. Oh, yes,

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I've already reached that number. Well, I think there's something and I think

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that'll pretty much yeah, thank you. No, I have a I believe

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I have a three year term.
A three year term just like the other

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board members. And the reason for
the position is when a board member retires,

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there's someone else at the same expertise. They can pit right into that

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position. And so I have somebody, what I have an Italian prominent town

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in in Florida that has links to
them. Off here, you can start

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knocking off some board members. You
can get them the quiver. Okay,

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I like them, keep my friends. Yeah, come on, let's keep

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keep it legit. You're wrong field, Oh it's wrong. Good, I'll

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sort of go ahead. Oh hello, oh if I just so anyway,

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that's how it works. How it
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it's a misers a position open.
Then I would move into that position as

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that member retires. Okay, so
that makes sense. So it's a three

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year deal and they just renew that
for every three years. Okay, right,

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cool, Well, great, congratulations
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Uh busy. I've already got tasks? Yeah yeah, so yeah, very

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very busy, especially here in Missouri. We'll get into that later. Yeah.

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Are you the only one a board
member who's also a state director.

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Oh? No, I think most
of them. Let's see, I think

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most are most are correct. I
think most are Oh they are. Well,

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Cliff just became one, but John
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I believe I think Jan Harden is
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one time he was. I'm not
really sure. Well, the three of

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us, the three new in terms
board members are and I know I know

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some of the other ones are.
But I'm sorry, I am I'm little

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babbling here a little bit. I've
had about four hours to weep on nights

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in the past two weeks. Oh
no, you've got a UFO flat going

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on in the state of Missouri.
Yeah, you guys are super busy,

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So we'll talk about that too,
because, uh, you know, as

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far as states go, Missouri is
one of the busiest. So let's there's

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one question I want to ask before
we get into some of that. Though

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I can't remember the details, but
I remember that for a period of time,

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you DeBie and Chuck, you didn't
know you were both into the paranormal,

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and then you discovered that about each
other and then started getting really involved.

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How did that happen? Well,
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and then we saw each other up
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and she said hey. That pretty
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said, that's wrong, that's my
brother. Yeah, we were. We

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did a family reunion in the early
Thanksgiving and we got to talking about Roswell

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and found out we were both doing
research. I had been there, I

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had not, And we planned our
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And that was I think for two
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ninety nine, in around two thousands
when we really started looking up right,

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How funny? Was that shocking to
you? No, because well, you

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know what was What was funny though, was that we you know, he

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lives in Colorado, and you know, I look here at the sorry,

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but we got along so well considering
that, I mean to the little brother

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and sister. I mean, we
really didn't hang around together when we were

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kids. But I looked at I
watched the same movies, we watched the

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same TV shows. Uh, we
would come back at each other. We

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had the favorite, our favorite mind
that we knew we were. We were

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shooting lines from Caddyshack back and forth
to each other, and that's the family

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thought we were crazy. And then
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so they're probably into this stuff.
But it turned out that it turned out

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that you know, we have six
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I have three older sisters and two
younger brothers, and you know,

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it just we just had so much
in common. I'm sorry to say,

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sometimes my other sisters are little jealous
because you know, Debbie and I do

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so much together because you know,
we we have a we have a hobby

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that you know, we really have
a love for. And obviously, you

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know, I mean you have to
have a love for this, you will

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do this. It's you know,
if once you think it's worth then you

405
00:32:08.079 --> 00:32:10.400
know you obviously don't want to do
it, because that's that's what we do

406
00:32:10.480 --> 00:32:16.359
for a paycheck. You but you
know, when we started talking and and

407
00:32:16.480 --> 00:32:20.200
like that, he was saying quoting
movies, and then it turned out with

408
00:32:20.440 --> 00:32:22.599
a lot of the movies, the
sis fiction movies you know we've watched and

409
00:32:22.720 --> 00:32:25.440
stuff, and uh yeah, I
mean, like, you know, we

410
00:32:25.440 --> 00:32:30.359
need to get together and and start
you know, doing some investigations together.

411
00:32:30.440 --> 00:32:35.519
And uh and since then, you've
really built a strong relationship with each other

412
00:32:35.920 --> 00:32:39.200
based on the athology and sharing knowledge
back and forth. And and that's how

413
00:32:39.279 --> 00:32:43.680
you know we've if it wasn't for
this sharing knowledge back and forth. I

414
00:32:43.680 --> 00:32:45.799
would have known about how you know, how much of an impact Missouri was

415
00:32:45.880 --> 00:32:49.200
because thirty seven we do a lot
of two things. So you know,

416
00:32:49.279 --> 00:32:52.920
there's there's some really big trade offs
and payoffs I should say, you know,

417
00:32:52.079 --> 00:32:57.839
for having a sis hear in another
states in this and being a brother

418
00:32:57.920 --> 00:33:00.599
a brother sixty team too. I
have the things from a different point of

419
00:33:00.680 --> 00:33:05.480
view than Chuck does, and so
we compliment each other very well. Look

420
00:33:05.519 --> 00:33:13.160
at something. You know, I'm
more Chuck analytical, but I see things

421
00:33:13.200 --> 00:33:15.839
differently. I mean, it's really
hard to explain, but between the two

422
00:33:15.880 --> 00:33:22.799
of us, we can gather twice
as much information as as in one investigation

423
00:33:22.279 --> 00:33:29.279
than two I would say, two
gentlemen or two lady investigators, because we

424
00:33:29.279 --> 00:33:32.079
we've got the advantage of looking at
it to two different points of view.

425
00:33:32.920 --> 00:33:36.799
And what I don't really just well
what I don't think of he does,

426
00:33:36.799 --> 00:33:39.079
and we doesn't think of I do, and and we just do compliment each

427
00:33:39.079 --> 00:33:43.359
other very well. So you know, when we have disagreements, you know,

428
00:33:43.359 --> 00:33:46.359
we're just brothers and sister having disagreements. So you know, it's unlike

429
00:33:46.440 --> 00:33:51.559
some other famous you know duos out
there that you know, parted company,

430
00:33:52.039 --> 00:33:54.079
you know, because they've had issues, you know, doing investigations together.

431
00:33:54.720 --> 00:33:58.440
You know, we just we just
got to resolve it right there. And

432
00:33:58.960 --> 00:34:01.000
uh yeah, a lot of time
I was in Missouri, I pretty much

433
00:34:01.079 --> 00:34:04.640
you know, talked her hair,
you know, your ear off. She

434
00:34:04.759 --> 00:34:07.320
was probably ready for me to to
fly back. But uh, you know,

435
00:34:07.480 --> 00:34:10.840
like she says, you know,
we we compliment each other really well.

436
00:34:10.880 --> 00:34:14.239
You know, she's a little bit
of contrary on a little bit of

437
00:34:14.320 --> 00:34:16.360
rock and rolling, and it just
it just flies together really well. Well,

438
00:34:16.519 --> 00:34:20.760
like Debbie wasn't alluding to I think
the male female thing because Debbie can

439
00:34:20.800 --> 00:34:22.559
say, Chuck, you can't do
that, because that's sexual harassment, and

440
00:34:22.639 --> 00:34:25.440
chuck and tell Debbie, no,
don't do that. Sin will look like

441
00:34:25.519 --> 00:34:31.239
sissy. So you can from at
of view, no, actually she isn't.

442
00:34:31.280 --> 00:34:36.639
She's not even that polite. She
just hits me. I just snack

443
00:34:36.719 --> 00:34:38.159
him, right, she just snacks
me. And then I kind of know,

444
00:34:38.280 --> 00:34:42.800
okay, I stepped over the line. They worked out really well,

445
00:34:42.840 --> 00:34:46.360
and and you actually gained a gain
a lot of information through some of the

446
00:34:46.400 --> 00:34:51.760
investations, especially oswell, just based
on you know, the way that she

447
00:34:51.920 --> 00:34:54.039
thinks and the way that I think, and it kind of just kind of

448
00:34:54.119 --> 00:34:57.960
you know, it's like you know, like two half ciples they're kind of

449
00:34:58.039 --> 00:35:01.079
meet for a full circle in we
get a full circle KnowledgeR. So you

450
00:35:01.119 --> 00:35:05.519
know, I think that's why some
other people I talk to you, they

451
00:35:05.559 --> 00:35:07.679
go, you know, that's that's
really cool. I can't believe you actually

452
00:35:07.719 --> 00:35:10.719
do this with the sisters and and
nowly that. But because there's a truck

453
00:35:10.840 --> 00:35:15.199
to in trust with each other and
we can go into places where I'd be

454
00:35:15.239 --> 00:35:19.679
afraid to take someone else that I'm
not really that familiar with a situation where

455
00:35:19.679 --> 00:35:22.320
there's a lot of danger involved in
and people out there listening. There is

456
00:35:22.360 --> 00:35:27.840
a big danger doing UFON investigations.
I guarantee it. You know, you

457
00:35:27.880 --> 00:35:31.400
get, you get followed, you
get you know, people watch you that

458
00:35:32.000 --> 00:35:36.880
you know they know everything about you, and you have to be careful not

459
00:35:37.000 --> 00:35:39.119
to step over the right step over
aligning to be one of the twenty six

460
00:35:39.199 --> 00:35:44.280
hundred people missing every week in the
United States. We have sposed to a

461
00:35:44.519 --> 00:35:47.679
five or eight hundred and fifty thousand
people missing every year in the United States

462
00:35:47.679 --> 00:35:51.840
without a trade So, you know, do you think those are UFO people.

463
00:35:52.199 --> 00:35:54.559
I'm thinking some of them are,
and I think some of them.

464
00:35:54.880 --> 00:36:00.000
Obviously there's other reasons, but you
know, it's just feel kind of scary

465
00:36:00.039 --> 00:36:05.119
statistic when you look at it,
and you know official you start looking back,

466
00:36:05.159 --> 00:36:07.599
and you know in the days where
supposedly we had contracts, you know,

467
00:36:08.119 --> 00:36:12.679
from with the government, with the
dailiens to allow abductions and make you

468
00:36:12.719 --> 00:36:15.320
wonder how many inductions went wrong and
who didn't come back home? And you

469
00:36:15.360 --> 00:36:17.920
know, you know, these are
the spot to just kind of fly through

470
00:36:17.960 --> 00:36:21.079
your heads. But when you're out
in the middle of the night, you

471
00:36:21.119 --> 00:36:24.320
know, doing an investigation and you
get your sister decide, you know that

472
00:36:24.519 --> 00:36:28.800
you know, if you know you
can trust I can trust my sister,

473
00:36:28.920 --> 00:36:30.920
she can trust me. And and
we have this kind of a you know,

474
00:36:31.079 --> 00:36:35.440
we have a really good idea about
how each other thinks. So a

475
00:36:35.440 --> 00:36:38.559
lot of times, you know we'll
be thinking the same thing and we don't

476
00:36:38.599 --> 00:36:40.719
have to, you know, just
kind of flows a little better. And

477
00:36:42.320 --> 00:36:45.840
besides, I think I cannot run
her just in case I have Nah,

478
00:36:46.000 --> 00:36:53.280
I don't know that making himself sound
like a Now, oh, I tell

479
00:36:53.320 --> 00:37:00.960
you he's less with them, That's
right, I did unless about my fy

480
00:37:01.320 --> 00:37:06.000
he keeps me safe because a lot
of times I'll go into something full force.

481
00:37:06.440 --> 00:37:07.840
Yeah, I head on and he's
like, you need to back up

482
00:37:07.880 --> 00:37:10.079
a little bit here, wait a
minute, and I've got a lot of

483
00:37:10.079 --> 00:37:13.719
things. We've been on the phone
and I've been doing investigations. He takes,

484
00:37:13.719 --> 00:37:15.360
you need to leave in the home. I'm going wait a minute.

485
00:37:15.400 --> 00:37:19.800
I say five more minutes. So
uh, yeah, we were we compident.

486
00:37:19.840 --> 00:37:22.400
You should have done well, yeah, I said you should be five

487
00:37:22.440 --> 00:37:25.599
to this on the road already.
But what we do and you know,

488
00:37:25.719 --> 00:37:28.840
like I said, just uh,
it was just one of these things that

489
00:37:28.920 --> 00:37:31.519
were at the salary of units started
talking and uh, it's really funny.

490
00:37:31.599 --> 00:37:36.119
But you know this is this is
kind of a love that we have and

491
00:37:36.119 --> 00:37:38.320
and I don't know, I don't
know about you know, her waying.

492
00:37:38.360 --> 00:37:40.679
He started to get into this a
little bit, but you know, buying,

493
00:37:42.360 --> 00:37:45.920
you know carry, she's she's still
a skeptic and and that kind of

494
00:37:45.960 --> 00:37:51.039
helps me. This is the compliments
me in a way where U I had

495
00:37:51.119 --> 00:37:53.519
to make you know, my investigations
almost bulletproof because you know, I have

496
00:37:53.599 --> 00:37:57.840
the number one stuff that building the
house. But it's nice when I when

497
00:37:57.840 --> 00:38:00.599
I do investigations with the other because
I give the opening tree and not everybody

498
00:38:00.760 --> 00:38:05.960
laugh at me. Yeah. Well, on something else too that I allowed

499
00:38:06.000 --> 00:38:08.079
to bring up. It was that
when we interview witnesses, you know,

500
00:38:08.159 --> 00:38:13.280
there's a lot of times out Chuck
will start talking to somebody and I can

501
00:38:13.320 --> 00:38:15.679
see and start to back off.
Well, now, all of a sudden,

502
00:38:15.760 --> 00:38:17.760
you know, I'll steps in and
they'll feel more comfortable. And it

503
00:38:17.920 --> 00:38:22.719
works both ways. There's a lot
of times that will be ill interviewing somebody

504
00:38:22.719 --> 00:38:25.960
who's former military. Uh, they
can relate more to Chuck than they can

505
00:38:27.000 --> 00:38:30.079
to me. We've got a witness
who maybe has had a traumatic situation,

506
00:38:30.199 --> 00:38:34.639
that's a female, she can relate
more to me. So between the two

507
00:38:34.760 --> 00:38:39.079
of us, you know, we
we've got a lot of that and equipment

508
00:38:39.159 --> 00:38:43.239
too. So between the two of
us we can make our wedness feel comfortable.

509
00:38:43.320 --> 00:38:49.480
We we have what equipment I don't
have he has. We share expenses

510
00:38:50.079 --> 00:38:54.199
and then also fight stuff. He
said his wife really isn't involved, My

511
00:38:54.320 --> 00:38:59.360
husband isn't involved. I can we
can actually travel together and share the same

512
00:38:59.440 --> 00:39:04.199
hotel room when there aren't issues with
our marriages, right, so that all

513
00:39:04.239 --> 00:39:06.719
the way, Wait, wait,
we have to just make sure that we

514
00:39:07.039 --> 00:39:12.880
specified that they are separate bed.
Okay, absolutely we're not. We're not

515
00:39:13.000 --> 00:39:17.320
from out from Arkansas, no no
friends, no marketing. People's well understand

516
00:39:17.400 --> 00:39:21.719
that well, but you know,
terrically, you know, it really helps

517
00:39:21.760 --> 00:39:23.840
out. You know, there's a
little particular case where yet the actually held

518
00:39:23.880 --> 00:39:25.880
down the way in their side to
seek the hell out of them and we

519
00:39:25.960 --> 00:39:30.280
got deination we needed. So that
really worked out well. No, Actually,

520
00:39:30.400 --> 00:39:34.280
in real life, what happened was
we were doing in investigation in Roswell,

521
00:39:34.960 --> 00:39:37.920
or not in Roswell, but in
county and and and Getty is more

522
00:39:38.039 --> 00:39:43.840
familiar with uh, you know,
you know country folks, and because of

523
00:39:43.960 --> 00:39:47.519
that she was able to understand things, uh and being able to help you

524
00:39:47.599 --> 00:39:51.880
know, we were came to communicating
with the Ranchers there. And not only

525
00:39:52.000 --> 00:39:55.079
that, but she found some evidence. I don't mind saying that, you

526
00:39:55.159 --> 00:39:59.000
know, I think it was Dona
Schmith has some evidence. He's trying to

527
00:39:59.039 --> 00:40:01.679
figure out something that you know Rancher
had written and she read it. She

528
00:40:01.760 --> 00:40:05.400
goes rattenings that that means that and
happen means that she made it back to

529
00:40:05.440 --> 00:40:07.559
it and said you've done. He's
been working on it for a while because

530
00:40:07.719 --> 00:40:13.000
she was able to read it and
she knew what ranchers, how they think

531
00:40:13.079 --> 00:40:15.599
and and and how they were right, she figured it right out. So

532
00:40:15.679 --> 00:40:20.440
I mean that's really a plus,
especially from you know, when it came

533
00:40:20.480 --> 00:40:23.000
to another investigator, they could have
figured out. So luckily I have that

534
00:40:23.519 --> 00:40:28.320
commodity, that asset, which mean
when we go on investigation. So that's

535
00:40:28.360 --> 00:40:30.840
pretty cool. So I really enjoyed
other people are out there too, that

536
00:40:30.960 --> 00:40:35.760
you know that that have that opportunity. Oh, I appreciate that. You

537
00:40:35.800 --> 00:40:46.480
know, we use words like cipher
and one not. Yeah, I thought

538
00:40:46.519 --> 00:40:50.679
it was big glad, but she
knew exactly what it was. But seriously,

539
00:40:50.760 --> 00:40:52.320
does it does help out it.
We got some really cool witnesses in

540
00:40:52.400 --> 00:40:58.320
Corona and also Lincoln, Lincoln County
right there after the Greek site. You

541
00:40:58.440 --> 00:41:00.360
know, we took you after that
one time, the rantry that lives closely

542
00:41:00.440 --> 00:41:05.360
that uh you know that area,
Well, you know, we pull over

543
00:41:05.559 --> 00:41:07.920
and talk to them. She just
still got out and it was like,

544
00:41:07.039 --> 00:41:10.239
you know, they knew each other
forever. So that's you know, that's

545
00:41:10.239 --> 00:41:15.760
a pluzz. They's just the having
there. They accept a certain type of

546
00:41:15.079 --> 00:41:21.400
respect that there's respect among Peak country
people, and if you're in their territory,

547
00:41:21.719 --> 00:41:24.400
on their land, you pull over
when they start to pull up and

548
00:41:24.559 --> 00:41:28.119
let them greet that you talk back
and forth, if you just breathe on

549
00:41:28.239 --> 00:41:31.000
buy them they're you know, there's
issues. So I mean, there's just

550
00:41:31.239 --> 00:41:35.480
there's just thing this protocol. I'm
just used the country protocol out there.

551
00:41:35.559 --> 00:41:37.719
It's just the ba by simple Well
cool, I mean that is cool.

552
00:41:37.760 --> 00:41:43.000
It's helpful, and uh, you're
a neat unique group, so it's cool

553
00:41:43.039 --> 00:41:49.039
to have you both on today.
But let's get into the thirty seven degree.

554
00:41:49.199 --> 00:41:52.559
And of course this will start in
Colorado kind of where the story story

555
00:41:52.679 --> 00:41:57.199
starts, and then move to Missouri
and we'll probably end with all of the

556
00:41:57.719 --> 00:42:02.639
exciting stuff going on when Missouri.
But Chuck, this kind of started when

557
00:42:04.079 --> 00:42:07.079
uh, like I had written about, I just posted a story today on

558
00:42:07.239 --> 00:42:09.920
all of this, and then you
have a blog of course on all of

559
00:42:10.000 --> 00:42:15.440
this. But it started when you
were trying to look for a correlation between

560
00:42:15.519 --> 00:42:22.320
your cattle mutilations and then uh,
these these earthquakes took place. Right What

561
00:42:22.679 --> 00:42:28.800
happened was was you know, you
know, I've done enough cattle religious now

562
00:42:28.880 --> 00:42:30.960
within the past two and a half
years, you and I that investigated enough

563
00:42:31.000 --> 00:42:38.880
cattle relations. Yes, thank you
as a compliment me and I was like,

564
00:42:38.960 --> 00:42:40.960
no, we found out who who's
doing it. It's like yeah,

565
00:42:42.079 --> 00:42:47.559
utiful love duty define getting an apple
room. Uh. And you you know,

566
00:42:47.639 --> 00:42:52.440
you have me with the first one
where you know, I'm starting to

567
00:42:52.480 --> 00:42:59.000
see a correlation with the evidence now
of of symmetry and some other things that

568
00:42:59.239 --> 00:43:02.079
that are in common. And so
I was, I've been kind of following

569
00:43:02.159 --> 00:43:04.960
that, and I was, you
know, I was putting stuff down and

570
00:43:05.079 --> 00:43:07.840
getting ready for the you know,
menuous up conference in Cabot City was great,

571
00:43:08.599 --> 00:43:13.480
and literally it struck me. And
what struck me was the earthquake here

572
00:43:13.519 --> 00:43:16.280
in Colorado, uh, you know, with a five point three magnitude earthquake

573
00:43:16.320 --> 00:43:21.320
and it was centered somewhere down by
you know, oh it was the border

574
00:43:21.400 --> 00:43:24.480
of Colorado and Mexico. And I
thought, well that was that was well.

575
00:43:24.519 --> 00:43:28.440
I mean I was actually working on
my PowerPoint when when that happened,

576
00:43:29.000 --> 00:43:31.440
and the next day it was just
within fifteen hours I'm at work. And

577
00:43:31.559 --> 00:43:36.519
then there was another earthquake and that
was in Virginia on the New Coast,

578
00:43:37.079 --> 00:43:39.760
and that was a five point eight
And I have a cool little app on

579
00:43:39.880 --> 00:43:45.840
my on my smartphone that I can
keep track of earthquakes. So I got

580
00:43:45.880 --> 00:43:49.519
on with quick and I looked at
the Colorado line and I said, oh,

581
00:43:49.639 --> 00:43:53.239
I have seventy. I was thinking
wow. So I was looking at

582
00:43:53.239 --> 00:43:55.719
my cattle be stuff last night,
and I was realizing every one of the

583
00:43:55.760 --> 00:44:00.280
cattle mulations and death issues I've done
at Santa Lose Valley and Good pluschannels thirty

584
00:44:00.280 --> 00:44:04.360
seventy latitude. Then I looked at
the Virginia and I went, oh,

585
00:44:04.440 --> 00:44:07.679
my god, that's a thirty seventy
latitude. Now I went a little further

586
00:44:07.719 --> 00:44:09.519
and I started doing some research when
I got home from work that night and

587
00:44:09.679 --> 00:44:16.400
realized that the Colorado won You know
that the earthquake fault runs north to south,

588
00:44:16.519 --> 00:44:19.840
not east to west, so there's
really I mean, it's called the

589
00:44:19.960 --> 00:44:24.320
Sunday Crystal fault, you know in
Colorado, and there was no way that

590
00:44:24.519 --> 00:44:30.119
that could have you know, been
in common with the Central Virginia SIZS zone

591
00:44:30.480 --> 00:44:34.360
or it's fault that ran north to
south, so that they can't be related.

592
00:44:34.840 --> 00:44:37.639
You know, they actually are,
and it's impossible. There's just too

593
00:44:37.719 --> 00:44:40.039
much ransom of stuff in between,
and thinking wow, that's thirty seventy the

594
00:44:40.159 --> 00:44:44.599
latins. So that started the starting. I went, wow, I need

595
00:44:44.719 --> 00:44:49.960
to look into this country was going
on. So I started researching exactly like

596
00:44:50.079 --> 00:44:52.679
you were doing, you know,
with the UFO hotspot, you know,

597
00:44:52.719 --> 00:44:55.199
across the United States. What I
started doing is I started looking within a

598
00:44:55.320 --> 00:45:01.679
thirty seven degree latitude zone across the
US and seeing what type of sighting you

599
00:45:01.760 --> 00:45:07.679
know, we're occurring in those areas. And uh, I mean you know,

600
00:45:07.039 --> 00:45:09.440
originally I next spent a couple of
guys, you know, days doing

601
00:45:09.480 --> 00:45:14.440
that ended up with uh, you
know, well over fifty five sixty siding

602
00:45:15.119 --> 00:45:17.360
within you know, a year or
so, just within the last year.

603
00:45:17.480 --> 00:45:22.880
That's uh, that happened in that
area while within it across the US.

604
00:45:22.400 --> 00:45:25.320
So then I know, well,
actually interesting, I noticed a couple of

605
00:45:25.320 --> 00:45:28.719
pop up the areas. I know, man, I got a call Daddy,

606
00:45:29.159 --> 00:45:32.960
because if anybody knows any type of
utiful sudding, it was very giving

607
00:45:34.079 --> 00:45:39.599
the guy, you know, And
so I called her up and she said,

608
00:45:40.079 --> 00:45:43.440
oh my god, let me when
we when we started looking at this,

609
00:45:43.599 --> 00:45:45.559
we'll get back. And it was
just a humans and she just jumped

610
00:45:45.599 --> 00:45:49.679
right on it and started looking at
it. She goes, especially, I've

611
00:45:49.679 --> 00:45:52.079
got this sign sign all this has
happened, and I can you know,

612
00:45:52.199 --> 00:45:55.400
you can talk to her about the
signs because a pretty cool sighting the chop

613
00:45:55.480 --> 00:45:59.440
of lights they fall in. Then
you know thirty seventy last, I mean,

614
00:45:59.480 --> 00:46:05.840
all this stuff and then Ken,
one of the kid touch such right,

615
00:46:06.559 --> 00:46:08.760
yeah, you get a candle mulations
at the gas in Missouri. Ye

616
00:46:08.800 --> 00:46:13.280
or so go now thirty seventy new
latitude because I'm thinking, now, I

617
00:46:13.360 --> 00:46:16.519
got Colorado in Missouri, and I
got these other states and went, holy

618
00:46:16.679 --> 00:46:21.119
macer, what the hell is going
on here? And that's how it started.

619
00:46:22.519 --> 00:46:28.360
And then you found your paranormal freeway. Then that exactly. Then I

620
00:46:28.440 --> 00:46:32.039
started napping them all and looked at
it and thinking, oh my gosh,

621
00:46:32.400 --> 00:46:36.519
which is really not only that,
but you know, remember the mantel.

622
00:46:36.960 --> 00:46:39.719
This is an incident which went were
the mantel? Wasn't the one when he

623
00:46:39.800 --> 00:46:45.280
went up and shaped the UF.
Yeah, that was a thirty seventy latitude.

624
00:46:45.400 --> 00:46:49.000
Al though, thought that was kind
of interesting. Don't seek is real

625
00:46:49.079 --> 00:46:52.360
close to it as text. Crashion
is right on the board. I mean,

626
00:46:52.440 --> 00:46:55.280
you're right there area fifty one in
thirty seventy to do last. I'm

627
00:46:55.280 --> 00:47:00.360
thinking, Wow, I mean,
I mean seriously, I'm married to get

628
00:47:00.599 --> 00:47:04.599
and that's and so I still have
to be so what's diffical? But all

629
00:47:04.639 --> 00:47:07.000
of a sudden you have all this
information. It can't be the faith?

630
00:47:07.039 --> 00:47:09.599
And when how much information do I
need to get hit in the faith?

631
00:47:09.679 --> 00:47:14.559
Before I realized, you know what, this isn't just coincidence anymore, It's

632
00:47:14.599 --> 00:47:19.639
something real about this, And then
I was really a pleasure and an honor,

633
00:47:19.760 --> 00:47:22.880
thank you very much to remember the
pretty simy relation when you were doing

634
00:47:22.000 --> 00:47:25.480
the you know, looking at sociding
to dry out the US, and then

635
00:47:25.480 --> 00:47:29.400
all of a sudden there's a correlation
between what you were doing and then what

636
00:47:29.519 --> 00:47:32.039
I did, which add a little
more delimited to this. And now they've

637
00:47:32.079 --> 00:47:37.079
got something that I think we really
really got to look at, not only

638
00:47:37.159 --> 00:47:40.800
if we can figure out And this
is so cool for the people out there

639
00:47:40.920 --> 00:47:45.400
listening seriously, because as UFHO investigators, you know, we always look for

640
00:47:46.039 --> 00:47:50.199
some type of evidence that everyth it
doesn't have to be physical when we can

641
00:47:50.280 --> 00:47:52.599
stick it up and hold it,
but evidence before how we can all aquare,

642
00:47:53.199 --> 00:47:58.079
how we to forget exitings in the
future so we can get the evidence

643
00:47:58.119 --> 00:48:00.800
we need if we can figure out
pteronormal freely, if you can get an

644
00:48:00.880 --> 00:48:06.119
idea of not only for the studies
are occurring, so we just start looking

645
00:48:06.239 --> 00:48:09.880
at the repetitive repetitive yes, I
guess that's right or not dot com and

646
00:48:10.360 --> 00:48:15.320
trying to figure out certain times of
the year and when we can be out

647
00:48:15.360 --> 00:48:16.719
there. And I mean, oh
my gosh, this is huge. If

648
00:48:16.719 --> 00:48:22.239
you can you get out there and
get the other it happens, Oh my

649
00:48:22.360 --> 00:48:25.760
gosh, they're just smoking down.
Yeah. One of those things I found

650
00:48:25.960 --> 00:48:30.800
interesting in this was, I,
you know, with looking at these hot

651
00:48:30.840 --> 00:48:37.440
spots, I'm trying to figure out
why certain areas are hot spots and nothing

652
00:48:37.559 --> 00:48:40.960
holds through. You know, it's
not because of more US bass, it's

653
00:48:42.000 --> 00:48:46.320
not because of nuke silos or nuke
bases. And I it's not the areas

654
00:48:46.360 --> 00:48:51.599
because lots of people assumed it would
be areas where it's sunnier more often,

655
00:48:51.719 --> 00:48:53.840
but that's not the case. It
would be further south, you would have

656
00:48:53.880 --> 00:48:59.119
Arizona, New Mexico, Texas,
but you don't have that. So I

657
00:48:59.159 --> 00:49:02.119
was really so and if not the
place to do it, they're the most

658
00:49:02.199 --> 00:49:07.000
populated, like you said, right, And what was interesting was your map

659
00:49:07.119 --> 00:49:10.880
too. Another thing that correlates with
what I found was you have Kentucky and

660
00:49:12.079 --> 00:49:16.280
Missouri was full of signings that you
had found. And Kentucky and Missouri and

661
00:49:16.400 --> 00:49:23.119
Indiana were all in that top ten
uh as far as population and in reporting

662
00:49:23.199 --> 00:49:28.639
a lot of UFOs and that.
And that's of course, so when people

663
00:49:28.760 --> 00:49:32.079
come and please, you know,
visit open minds and and look at it

664
00:49:32.199 --> 00:49:36.519
all a handle has written up and
then if you wanted to, you know,

665
00:49:36.760 --> 00:49:39.880
zipport on my website. But if
you look at the map, think

666
00:49:39.920 --> 00:49:44.760
of it as if it's a regulars
paranormal free as a regular freeway, as

667
00:49:44.800 --> 00:49:49.480
a thorough through thorough fare. I
guess that's how you said for you know,

668
00:49:49.599 --> 00:49:52.960
for you had taken exit and you
get off and come back off.

669
00:49:52.360 --> 00:49:55.000
You know, don't think that all
your sidings have to be in a straight

670
00:49:55.159 --> 00:49:59.320
line like all the handle had pointed
out. I mean, there's a lot

671
00:49:59.400 --> 00:50:05.280
of there that's very very easy access
to where the majority of salaries are occurring

672
00:50:05.320 --> 00:50:08.800
across the US coming off of this
thirty seven degree, So kind of thinking

673
00:50:08.880 --> 00:50:12.599
it that way, you know,
obviously you're not going to just see the

674
00:50:12.639 --> 00:50:15.960
sturning sidy just just within that one
latitude that's kind of kind of turning out

675
00:50:16.000 --> 00:50:19.960
a bit, and I'm looking at
that going, oh my gosh, you

676
00:50:20.079 --> 00:50:23.239
know, and why at that point
I'm kind of helped, you know,

677
00:50:23.360 --> 00:50:28.360
hoping that you know, Gabbie or
you know, you know investigators, you

678
00:50:28.400 --> 00:50:30.159
know with a lot of experience like
Debbie and all Hands with the mother was

679
00:50:30.159 --> 00:50:36.280
out there and you've already started with
with your UFO hotspots. Hair at a

680
00:50:36.360 --> 00:50:42.679
handbrew which is what you put on
your on your on your website, that

681
00:50:43.159 --> 00:50:46.239
that hopefully we can find out why. I mean, I've looked at I

682
00:50:46.320 --> 00:50:50.440
try to look at ley lines.
I try to look at a roar sometimes

683
00:50:51.000 --> 00:50:52.800
a raw energy, even though we
will see the rowers, I mean the

684
00:50:53.000 --> 00:50:58.360
energy actually drops down to like a
curtain. Uh. I didn't really fall

685
00:50:58.480 --> 00:51:02.159
down that far, but it does
touch a little bit, you know,

686
00:51:02.360 --> 00:51:06.920
on the eye side of Fourier studies
that we're trying to look for. What

687
00:51:07.280 --> 00:51:12.480
was tause? What's the reason?
You know, like lazard are the gravity

688
00:51:12.679 --> 00:51:16.760
D waves you know flying around or
rotting around it? You know, it's

689
00:51:16.760 --> 00:51:23.159
thy latitude that the spaceships the US
or why you know, because if you

690
00:51:23.199 --> 00:51:28.079
look at the sorry I was just
going to say where I found though that

691
00:51:28.280 --> 00:51:35.000
was kind of weird is that all
of the states along the thirty seven latitude

692
00:51:35.039 --> 00:51:40.519
line are on the top ten except
for Virginia and Utah and California, and

693
00:51:40.679 --> 00:51:45.880
they are actually per population, very
low on the list, so they're not

694
00:51:45.960 --> 00:51:49.519
even close. I thought, well, if they're in the top fifteen,

695
00:51:49.639 --> 00:51:52.039
maybe, but no, these are
really low. Now, California is a

696
00:51:52.239 --> 00:51:57.800
very long state, it's very tall, so who knows. Maybe if someone

697
00:51:57.960 --> 00:52:01.480
was able to grab where the sightings
are mostly in California, maybe they would

698
00:52:01.519 --> 00:52:05.840
be along there. But those were
states that was kind of weird that weren't

699
00:52:06.119 --> 00:52:10.280
didn't fit. So it really kind
of ended in the Kentucky And what's weird

700
00:52:10.440 --> 00:52:15.599
is that it goes up from Kentucky
and you have Indiana, Michigan also with

701
00:52:15.760 --> 00:52:20.719
lots of UFO sidings per person.
And it's funny because everybody thinks that they

702
00:52:20.840 --> 00:52:22.239
have a lot. Oh no,
we're the state with the most because of

703
00:52:22.280 --> 00:52:27.360
course they're really busy. They've got
lots of UFO sidings that they're investigating.

704
00:52:27.400 --> 00:52:30.320
When you talk to the mofon guys
and they're like, oh, yeah,

705
00:52:30.360 --> 00:52:34.320
we're such a busy state. So
everybody is kind of shocked. What wasn't

706
00:52:34.360 --> 00:52:37.719
I on the list? But you
know, we just go straight by the

707
00:52:37.840 --> 00:52:43.199
numbers. But it was kind of
interesting too, of course, because you

708
00:52:43.320 --> 00:52:46.639
know, Debbie, you're a good
friend of mine, and you're probably out

709
00:52:46.679 --> 00:52:50.000
of all the state directors, I
know a lot of them, and I

710
00:52:50.199 --> 00:52:52.199
like a lot of them, and
they're friends, but you're probably the person

711
00:52:52.280 --> 00:52:55.440
that's the closest friend to me.
And your state is on there too,

712
00:52:57.639 --> 00:53:01.000
number five, And that was kind
of surprising too. It's kind of neat.

713
00:53:01.840 --> 00:53:05.320
I was looking forward when I saw
that. I was looking forward to

714
00:53:05.400 --> 00:53:07.960
this moment where we can all get
together and talk about this. Well,

715
00:53:08.000 --> 00:53:15.320
what's kind of interesting about the thirty
seventy decree Gratitude is do you remember or

716
00:53:15.400 --> 00:53:20.719
do you know much about the Pevemont
flap you'll full flap in nineteen seventy three.

717
00:53:22.559 --> 00:53:28.960
Oh okay, Well, so Pevemont
falls within that area, so does

718
00:53:30.559 --> 00:53:37.519
Joplin. Spook Wife. Marley Woods
is just just a touch south of it,

719
00:53:37.039 --> 00:53:45.280
but almost bordering into the thirty six
and Marley Watch is an area and

720
00:53:45.400 --> 00:53:49.199
we've talked about this last time you
were on the show, but is an

721
00:53:49.239 --> 00:53:52.960
area where there's a lot of weird
stuff going on. There's a lot of

722
00:53:52.000 --> 00:53:58.719
activity. Ted PHILPS has been investigating
that area since nineteen ninety eight, so

723
00:53:58.840 --> 00:54:04.320
there's a lot of paranormal activity and
around that area. Also in the area

724
00:54:04.519 --> 00:54:09.360
just just what we have Lake at
the Ozarks, which it's falls just a

725
00:54:09.440 --> 00:54:14.440
little bit north of that area,
but we have a massive amount of water

726
00:54:15.519 --> 00:54:17.280
in the middle of the state,
which is also something very interesting that you

727
00:54:17.360 --> 00:54:23.360
can coincide with it. But now
are our air force bases? White In

728
00:54:23.440 --> 00:54:28.639
Air Force Base is at thirty eight
point four to three. That's near Kansas

729
00:54:28.679 --> 00:54:30.880
City, just across the river from
the scotter A Force States thirty eight point

730
00:54:30.920 --> 00:54:37.639
three two. Kansas City is at
thirty nine saying Louis is at thirty eight

731
00:54:37.679 --> 00:54:43.519
point three seven. But that's basically
Highway seventies, which runs across you know,

732
00:54:43.920 --> 00:54:47.760
the state of Missouri. Uh,
you know, so I would think

733
00:54:47.840 --> 00:54:51.440
that they'd run their high If someone's
going to have a utiful highway, they'd

734
00:54:51.440 --> 00:54:52.280
want to run that a little bit
norther their south, you know what.

735
00:54:53.159 --> 00:55:00.039
You know. That's but it's interesting
though that our bases are are you know,

736
00:55:00.159 --> 00:55:04.840
if we've got Whiteman Air Force Base
and Scutter Air Force Base, one

737
00:55:04.880 --> 00:55:07.199
in Illinois, one in Missouri,
and you know we got Scutter Force thirty

738
00:55:07.199 --> 00:55:13.360
eight point three white men thirtieth point
four. Well, and McConnell's even closer,

739
00:55:13.440 --> 00:55:19.840
which is in Kansas. Oh right, right, But you know,

740
00:55:20.000 --> 00:55:28.159
I'm just across the river from the
Scots and Scott is where the supplies will

741
00:55:28.199 --> 00:55:30.960
we go overseas to Iraq and Afghanistan. The supplies are coming out of Scutter

742
00:55:30.960 --> 00:55:36.840
Air Force Base. The B twos
are coming out of Whiteman. Now,

743
00:55:37.719 --> 00:55:43.400
as for Missouri incitings, do you
find that, and maybe I don't know

744
00:55:43.440 --> 00:55:46.559
if you'd be able to correlate this
or maybe just anecdotally, do you find

745
00:55:46.719 --> 00:55:54.559
that a lot of your cases are
concluded as unresolved or unknowns as compared to

746
00:55:54.639 --> 00:56:04.480
other places? Be hard to answer. You mean that, you know,

747
00:56:05.039 --> 00:56:09.079
probably so, And the reason for
that is, you know, if we

748
00:56:09.199 --> 00:56:16.480
were there and actually seeing what's going
on. I think what I had so

749
00:56:16.679 --> 00:56:22.079
far this year was we had as
of September thirtieth, before we had the

750
00:56:22.159 --> 00:56:24.559
additional fifty five cases in October,
we had one hundred and twenty seven cases

751
00:56:24.599 --> 00:56:31.599
in CMS cases case Management system called
into lufon Missouri Lufon. Out of those,

752
00:56:32.000 --> 00:56:37.039
we had ninety two of them that
were unknown, twenty four identified seven

753
00:56:37.119 --> 00:56:39.280
hopes, and we had core insufficient
data that you know that we were still

754
00:56:39.320 --> 00:56:45.800
working on them. And in that
time period, fifty three of those in

755
00:56:45.440 --> 00:56:51.079
so far January through September were in
the Kansas City area. We had thirty

756
00:56:51.119 --> 00:56:57.039
four reported just in August, So
you're talking the first nine months, we

757
00:56:57.119 --> 00:57:01.280
had one hundred and twenty seven ninety
two unknown And it sounds like a high

758
00:57:01.360 --> 00:57:06.000
amount, but you know, it
fell us as I saw this thing and

759
00:57:06.039 --> 00:57:08.679
it's shut across the sky and you
know, it did this some of maneuvers

760
00:57:09.039 --> 00:57:12.760
and it's gone. I mean,
you can't go back and try and reenact

761
00:57:12.800 --> 00:57:15.480
that investigated. You can go down
to the site take because you can sky

762
00:57:15.559 --> 00:57:17.960
all day, but you probably aren't
going to see it again. It's unknown

763
00:57:19.000 --> 00:57:22.280
because we don't know what it is. But out out of those ninety three,

764
00:57:22.239 --> 00:57:25.719
you know, I would I would
be comfortable saying at least twenty five

765
00:57:25.800 --> 00:57:32.519
percent are it's truly truly unexplainable if
we had, you know, if we

766
00:57:32.639 --> 00:57:37.960
act and then Lupon's officially I think
they say about fifteen percent of overall settings

767
00:57:37.960 --> 00:57:44.079
that are unknown. Now it's Missouri. I've never known personally, not that

768
00:57:44.199 --> 00:57:49.159
I know much about the whole area
Missouri to be known as like a paranormal

769
00:57:49.320 --> 00:57:52.079
or UFO hot spot. Is it
as far as you know, I mean,

770
00:57:52.519 --> 00:58:00.719
does it have a reputation like that? It depends on a year nineteen

771
00:58:00.760 --> 00:58:07.000
seventy three in Piedmont, which is
along that thirty seven degree There were so

772
00:58:07.159 --> 00:58:14.360
many beautiful reported that year. They
actually had Walter Cronkite talked about it on

773
00:58:14.480 --> 00:58:20.280
the news. They had they had, they had people down there, major

774
00:58:20.360 --> 00:58:22.599
investigators. So there was a lot, a lot of lot that went on.

775
00:58:23.280 --> 00:58:28.239
Uh just not too far from there's
uh Wapatilla Lake, Clearwater Lake.

776
00:58:28.320 --> 00:58:30.719
Up until the mid seventies, they
saw craft coming in and out of these

777
00:58:30.800 --> 00:58:35.280
lakes, and then you didn't have
a whole lot going on in the area.

778
00:58:37.079 --> 00:58:39.440
You know, it seems like in
the last year at least, we've

779
00:58:39.440 --> 00:58:45.679
had an extreme law of activity,
high volume of activity of the Kansas City

780
00:58:45.719 --> 00:58:52.719
area, a lot that we can't
explain. And then I think they go

781
00:58:52.760 --> 00:58:59.320
ahead, oh well, to say
that it runs to the last two thousand

782
00:58:59.320 --> 00:59:02.719
and nine. We rectangle shape craft. Now it's more triangle shap craft,

783
00:59:02.880 --> 00:59:07.360
so it runs the first and that
was more of the Segulis area we were

784
00:59:07.400 --> 00:59:08.639
having two thousand and nine, we
had a whole we had a lot of

785
00:59:08.719 --> 00:59:15.159
people reporting things in this area.
Move now Kansas City areas. Yeah,

786
00:59:15.199 --> 00:59:17.360
and we'll talk more about your recent
sightings because you've got a lot going on

787
00:59:17.519 --> 00:59:21.440
there in the last couple of months. But in Colorado, you know,

788
00:59:21.719 --> 00:59:27.079
going to the other side of the
paranormal Freeway of course along the thirty seven

789
00:59:27.199 --> 00:59:30.360
line, there's a lot of interesting
stuff. There's the San Luis Valley which

790
00:59:30.400 --> 00:59:36.079
has always been a hot spot for
all kinds of paranormal stuff. There is

791
00:59:36.400 --> 00:59:39.360
you know, Air Force Bass one
people don't know much about. It's the

792
00:59:39.400 --> 00:59:44.800
newest Air Force base, Shriver,
which is a very secretive Air Force base.

793
00:59:45.280 --> 00:59:49.239
So there's a lot going on there. And really I don't think it's

794
00:59:49.400 --> 00:59:54.199
it's a bias, but and maybe
you know this would help where you're input

795
00:59:54.280 --> 01:00:00.159
two DEBI because I've always lived there. I've always known or always heard of

796
01:00:00.239 --> 01:00:07.000
Colorado and especially the Sam Louis Valley
being a hot spot. Oh, absolutely,

797
01:00:07.440 --> 01:00:10.519
uh that you can. Uh.
There's there's books. There's several books

798
01:00:10.519 --> 01:00:17.519
written by several different investigators I think
that that's been around the Sandy Valley.

799
01:00:19.760 --> 01:00:23.480
I believe a lot of well you
had Sniffy the horse, and this is

800
01:00:23.519 --> 01:00:27.199
the more to give the Colorado for
what you know, there is more checked

801
01:00:27.320 --> 01:00:31.320
expertise which was actually lady but yeah, that's originally the area is where the

802
01:00:31.400 --> 01:00:37.760
vitilations started to be An investigated the
Category Nation. Just a weekend before last

803
01:00:38.400 --> 01:00:45.199
our good buddy Joe Sex and I
saw we we went up towards the Tell

804
01:00:45.239 --> 01:00:50.119
You Right area, Colorado to do
a Bigfoot investigation. We had some big

805
01:00:50.159 --> 01:00:52.800
books guides over there, and it's
a long drive for me to get up.

806
01:00:52.800 --> 01:00:59.039
There's the tell You Ride area where
the big book scieties are series relat

807
01:00:59.400 --> 01:01:05.360
for Tom is got a house where
they have mushroom testib over so that it's

808
01:01:05.400 --> 01:01:08.079
a very spiritual place. And that's
where a lot of your high end uh

809
01:01:08.719 --> 01:01:13.199
Bluvie actors and exoss there, you
know, vacation that used to be asked

810
01:01:13.239 --> 01:01:15.920
and the now they're getting homes and
tell you right. So like you know,

811
01:01:15.480 --> 01:01:20.360
Crestilm is over in the San Uel
Valley and a lot of temple a

812
01:01:20.400 --> 01:01:25.920
Buddhist sample, a lot of religions
are setting up you know, of churches

813
01:01:27.000 --> 01:01:31.239
and in different types of worship areas
in the Crystal area, because that's not

814
01:01:31.360 --> 01:01:36.039
in the San Loe Valley, so
three sets of the Greek So I don't

815
01:01:36.079 --> 01:01:39.639
know where it is, but we're
starting to seeing from the spiritual activity people

816
01:01:39.920 --> 01:01:45.559
just migrating to these areas. Not
quite sure why, maybe either being driven,

817
01:01:45.679 --> 01:01:47.440
I don't know, but it's you
know, it's interesting to kind of

818
01:01:47.480 --> 01:01:54.480
watching it. It's always been a
big question as to why kind of mutilations

819
01:01:54.760 --> 01:02:00.880
UH started in the area and have
been in the United States, no doubt

820
01:02:00.960 --> 01:02:07.119
predominant in the area, and why
it continues in that area specifically. I

821
01:02:07.199 --> 01:02:12.800
mean they've had him throughout the country, but mostly and on the Colorado Mexico

822
01:02:12.920 --> 01:02:17.440
border there. Oh absolutely, you
know it's of course we don't know why,

823
01:02:17.920 --> 01:02:22.079
and you're absolutely right, they don't. They just don't happen in Colorado.

824
01:02:22.559 --> 01:02:25.679
You know. I've been getting reports
from not only all over the US,

825
01:02:25.800 --> 01:02:30.440
but you know, Canada, UK, New Zealand and American Republic.

826
01:02:30.800 --> 01:02:34.320
And I'll tell you this is this
has just happened to me this uh well

827
01:02:34.519 --> 01:02:37.079
in the last week accent because it
is the third day. I guess I

828
01:02:37.119 --> 01:02:40.280
wasn't ask I'm sorry, I forgot
what day I've been forget him busy,

829
01:02:40.360 --> 01:02:45.760
just idetty. I actually got a
call from a deputy in Idaho that's working

830
01:02:45.840 --> 01:02:50.559
a horse mutilation case. Uh.
It's just between us, you know,

831
01:02:50.679 --> 01:02:53.239
because I was a former deputy and
he really didn't want to go in the

832
01:02:53.599 --> 01:02:59.559
whereout for popular mediums and about it. But he's had multiple horse mutilations with

833
01:02:59.679 --> 01:03:05.199
you know, within about three or
four weeks period, and so you know,

834
01:03:05.360 --> 01:03:07.679
he was kind of picking my brain
on what to do. And we're

835
01:03:07.679 --> 01:03:09.119
setting it up that if you have
another one, he's out there within twenty

836
01:03:09.199 --> 01:03:12.199
four hours, you're going to send
me. Example, I'm gonna send the

837
01:03:12.280 --> 01:03:17.039
Temple Gap. But here, you
know, and this is why I like

838
01:03:17.400 --> 01:03:21.639
radio shows like this. I like
the Open Minds magazine. I like your

839
01:03:21.679 --> 01:03:23.719
website, but it's a place where
people can go, they can research,

840
01:03:24.079 --> 01:03:29.480
they got the magazine. Definitely keep
your magazine for archival purposes, like we

841
01:03:29.639 --> 01:03:31.679
used to keep Life magazines back in
the day, you know, because you'll

842
01:03:31.719 --> 01:03:35.119
never know when you need to go
back and reference some of this stuff.

843
01:03:35.199 --> 01:03:37.400
But we have now. I guess
the second time I've had a lawforce to

844
01:03:37.400 --> 01:03:42.599
the individuals from another state contact contacting
because there's really nobody after to help these

845
01:03:42.639 --> 01:03:47.079
guys about relationships. And why do
they go to Colorado because you know Colorado.

846
01:03:47.159 --> 01:03:51.119
Hey, you know, I think
I'm not gonna can't have the most,

847
01:03:51.679 --> 01:03:55.719
but I think it's been the most
out in the media. And luckily,

848
01:03:55.760 --> 01:03:59.239
you know, we've had good people
out of here in Colorado too,

849
01:03:59.320 --> 01:04:02.039
you know, shit investigations, and
I'm not saying just live. I mean,

850
01:04:03.079 --> 01:04:08.639
you know, I'm following some some
pretty big footcasts of other investigators that

851
01:04:08.840 --> 01:04:13.679
set the path. So wow,
I think I think though New Mexico and

852
01:04:13.760 --> 01:04:17.199
Colorado, one of the two is
is definitely got the most and the other

853
01:04:17.280 --> 01:04:20.559
one would be number two. I
would say i'd be safe in saying that.

854
01:04:21.079 --> 01:04:27.800
But well, you're probably right because
we do get and you're absolutely right.

855
01:04:28.639 --> 01:04:31.320
I mean, there's a lot of
them going on in the New Mexico

856
01:04:31.400 --> 01:04:35.239
area close to the Colorado border that
I can't get to because I just don't

857
01:04:35.320 --> 01:04:38.440
hear about it. And of course
you know where I live, and you

858
01:04:38.519 --> 01:04:42.239
know it would be talking drives every
time there is one chuck. You don't

859
01:04:42.719 --> 01:04:44.920
oh, man, I'll bet you
this is why you don't go over there.

860
01:04:45.239 --> 01:04:48.440
You don't need a passport to go
to New Mexico in order to go

861
01:04:48.920 --> 01:04:54.559
further to Mexico. You can go
to New Mexico. Ready, Well no,

862
01:04:55.000 --> 01:04:58.480
I mean I think past I have
got it and they help just if

863
01:04:58.599 --> 01:05:00.599
I could go, yeah, I
never need it. No, you could

864
01:05:00.639 --> 01:05:09.320
have gone, Oh God, I
tell you what and you and it's really

865
01:05:09.400 --> 01:05:14.440
funny you hear about the strangest things. Uh, I was seating. I

866
01:05:14.559 --> 01:05:16.679
was on I twenty five and then
the next seating I got pulled over by

867
01:05:16.920 --> 01:05:21.599
by a state troopers and we were
talking and I wasn't speating that much.

868
01:05:21.639 --> 01:05:25.280
He basically just put me over to
come me to slow down, you know,

869
01:05:25.360 --> 01:05:29.039
because you know they'd have some animals
across, you know, going across

870
01:05:29.079 --> 01:05:31.079
by twenty five and over night.
He was a real nice guy. And

871
01:05:31.400 --> 01:05:34.679
what I normally do is when I
talked to law enforcement to pull me over,

872
01:05:34.760 --> 01:05:36.840
I just only talked him afterwards.
You know, I didn't take it

873
01:05:36.920 --> 01:05:40.679
or not. You know, have
you seen anything out of here? Have

874
01:05:40.760 --> 01:05:44.159
your fan And as it was,
not only did they have a real folks

875
01:05:44.159 --> 01:05:47.639
sighting a couple of days before,
but there also was a catmulation and he

876
01:05:47.760 --> 01:05:49.639
actually, yes, this is about
a year or so, you know,

877
01:05:50.119 --> 01:05:53.719
And he said, they've had a
few of him over there here the the

878
01:05:53.800 --> 01:05:58.280
Stanoje area and told you this,
and and the cop told me, but

879
01:05:58.400 --> 01:06:00.119
you know what, they're not kind
of talking with once to talk to them,

880
01:06:00.920 --> 01:06:04.039
you know. And that's just but
you know, and there is a

881
01:06:04.079 --> 01:06:08.440
problem with law enforcement. You know. I got shut down at a law

882
01:06:08.519 --> 01:06:12.840
force at big time earlier this year
because they just refused to even deal with

883
01:06:12.960 --> 01:06:15.639
it. And it's really sad because
that's just the mentality of this particular law

884
01:06:15.679 --> 01:06:19.639
enforcement agency, where they just shut
the door and close their eyes. And

885
01:06:19.840 --> 01:06:25.719
yet I had, I had I've
had two deputies from other states that are

886
01:06:25.880 --> 01:06:30.239
very active into the depigating, so
much so that they've been online in their

887
01:06:30.280 --> 01:06:31.840
own research, and then they find
someone and they call them, and you

888
01:06:32.199 --> 01:06:35.239
all times of others. It was
me that they called me, and I

889
01:06:35.320 --> 01:06:40.079
shared every information and method and I'm
setting up, uh, you know,

890
01:06:41.199 --> 01:06:44.360
a binder full of information I'll be
tuning out to a couple of individuals and

891
01:06:44.440 --> 01:06:47.719
law enforces so to help them.
So uh, you know, it is

892
01:06:47.840 --> 01:06:50.840
happening. Unfortunately a lot of people, you know, they turn their back

893
01:06:50.880 --> 01:06:55.400
and close their eyes, but they're
afraid I mean we had one answer,

894
01:06:55.880 --> 01:06:58.480
you know, because right now,
when I was talking to this deputy,

895
01:06:58.639 --> 01:07:00.559
you know, he's sitting in his
car, they run the cell phone and

896
01:07:00.679 --> 01:07:04.320
a rancher pulls up and it's all
over meat. No, they're not mean.

897
01:07:05.239 --> 01:07:09.639
First off, I don't think it's
pretty mean animals. But I mean,

898
01:07:09.880 --> 01:07:12.119
first off, that deathic says,
well, you don't have any neat

899
01:07:12.159 --> 01:07:15.440
farms around here. I don't think
either have any meek in this area.

900
01:07:15.000 --> 01:07:20.760
But then you have just the ignorance
of the people that refuse to even consider

901
01:07:21.440 --> 01:07:27.559
and the openness that it could be
something extraordinary, you know, and they

902
01:07:27.880 --> 01:07:32.000
refuse. Why are they refuge because
because it would affect their normal way of

903
01:07:32.119 --> 01:07:35.239
living. And it's really sad to
think that way, but you know,

904
01:07:36.360 --> 01:07:40.400
you know, if a normal way
of living, it's all because any different

905
01:07:40.440 --> 01:07:43.280
ways than we accept them, I
guess, And they just don't want to

906
01:07:43.320 --> 01:07:45.920
deal with it. So you know, they come up with these you do,

907
01:07:45.119 --> 01:07:49.199
the PRIs excuses. I've never seen
a new stay down not only a

908
01:07:49.320 --> 01:07:53.800
thousand pound cow, but you know
a thousand plus pound horse. Eve,

909
01:07:53.920 --> 01:07:58.360
no way a horse will fight off
up on rattlesnake. Look a meet to

910
01:07:58.400 --> 01:08:00.960
a rattle stake, So I mean, just yeah, and these are just

911
01:08:00.000 --> 01:08:04.480
a couple of hoss that that were
related. So it's sad, but that's

912
01:08:04.639 --> 01:08:09.679
what we have to deal with it
with that as email that there getting Yeah,

913
01:08:09.840 --> 01:08:13.199
getting back to the hotspots a little
bit, you know, and I

914
01:08:13.280 --> 01:08:15.840
wanted to ask you about Oregon.
I've always known as a hotspot. We

915
01:08:15.920 --> 01:08:21.439
get a lot of people on our
magazine and we have a lot of people

916
01:08:21.520 --> 01:08:26.479
telling us about sightings you hear about
We hear about lots of sightings in Oregon,

917
01:08:27.000 --> 01:08:30.520
and you know, people will email
us and oh yeah, in Oregon

918
01:08:30.600 --> 01:08:32.600
we see UFOs all the time.
And I was surprised that, you know,

919
01:08:33.079 --> 01:08:36.600
probably out of any state, that's
where I get the most of those

920
01:08:36.720 --> 01:08:40.439
kind of emails that, oh yeah, we see them all the time in

921
01:08:40.520 --> 01:08:44.039
Oregon. So I wasn't surprised to
see them on the list. Nevada not

922
01:08:44.159 --> 01:08:47.600
too surprised. That's where if fifty
one is White Sands, a lot going

923
01:08:47.680 --> 01:08:51.520
on, you know, China Lake
is not too far away from there where

924
01:08:51.560 --> 01:08:57.000
they do other testing and stuff like
that for the Air Force. So that

925
01:08:57.199 --> 01:09:00.800
wasn't a surprise. But what was
a surprise is not so much Missouri because

926
01:09:00.800 --> 01:09:04.399
I knew about you know, Marley
Woods and stuff like that, but Kansas,

927
01:09:04.560 --> 01:09:08.920
Kentucky, and Indiana were on the
list, and those were a little

928
01:09:09.000 --> 01:09:14.720
surprising to me. I had never
heard of those being hot spots or many

929
01:09:14.920 --> 01:09:18.199
UFOs in those areas, had you, guys? Well, oh, Kentucky,

930
01:09:19.119 --> 01:09:25.600
I think it is famous for big
excitings. For one and another two,

931
01:09:26.119 --> 01:09:30.119
Kate Gerraro is is down south,
it's not too far from the Kentucky

932
01:09:30.199 --> 01:09:36.439
border. And Kate Gerardo Lacouri falls
them at thirty seven point one eighth latitude

933
01:09:36.800 --> 01:09:43.079
Kate Gerardo nineteen forty one, the
first to rousal so with that, and

934
01:09:43.239 --> 01:09:45.600
also down there by the Blue pill
which you know New mad Re's fault.

935
01:09:47.079 --> 01:09:51.760
Kentucky. Yes, I think i'd
actually had heard more big exciting than anything

936
01:09:51.800 --> 01:09:56.760
else. What about you just well, you know, if you look at

937
01:09:56.880 --> 01:10:01.199
if you look at Kansas, Okay, and you follow that area is what

938
01:10:01.640 --> 01:10:06.000
and it's it's rimber eight is what
you put uh on yours? You know,

939
01:10:06.640 --> 01:10:10.880
eight out of ten if you think
about it. I'm really impressed with

940
01:10:10.960 --> 01:10:15.239
that because people just all you guys
do just go to go to Google Maps,

941
01:10:15.279 --> 01:10:18.600
open up the satellite and it's and
you can see the the barony,

942
01:10:19.279 --> 01:10:25.359
yeah, of Kansas flattened of godd
City, you said, the gretatude things

943
01:10:25.399 --> 01:10:28.319
very much a little WoT earth.
Maybe you need something, I don't know,

944
01:10:30.159 --> 01:10:31.880
But but you look along that area, not only is there you know,

945
01:10:32.000 --> 01:10:34.920
you have not the same thing as
Colorado when you look at that area.

946
01:10:35.439 --> 01:10:40.079
Uh, it's not like you're shooting
through Los Angeles or you've got a

947
01:10:40.119 --> 01:10:45.359
lot of people there. You know
that that would make sense these are areas.

948
01:10:45.840 --> 01:10:48.039
And maybe that's again too. Maybe
you're an area so you have less

949
01:10:48.239 --> 01:10:53.800
uh ambient light due to you know, just you know, light pollution and

950
01:10:54.439 --> 01:10:57.800
people see a lot more too.
But you know, I am just so

951
01:10:57.920 --> 01:11:00.159
excited just just to look at your
man up and I say, oh my

952
01:11:00.279 --> 01:11:03.760
gosh, she had these people in
these areas where it's kind of barren,

953
01:11:04.159 --> 01:11:06.600
and you know they're doing the right
finger, you know, you know what

954
01:11:06.840 --> 01:11:10.880
they see the sidings and every reporting
them. That's cool. Yeah, you

955
01:11:11.000 --> 01:11:14.680
have a good point there, And
it would be interesting to map up your

956
01:11:15.000 --> 01:11:18.960
your map in mind with a map
of night lights in the country, because

957
01:11:19.600 --> 01:11:25.039
you're right, you know, uh, the East Coast does not really register

958
01:11:25.399 --> 01:11:30.319
much on my map as popular hot
spots, but there's a lot more people

959
01:11:30.439 --> 01:11:35.600
out there, and it's a lot
more lit up than Middle America or the

960
01:11:35.720 --> 01:11:40.760
West, which has which is a
lot more sparse. And you know,

961
01:11:40.920 --> 01:11:45.199
maybe you have you do have people
looking up more out where there are less

962
01:11:45.279 --> 01:11:50.239
lights. And then also you just
look at the logistics of the social behavior

963
01:11:50.399 --> 01:11:56.800
people in California in that area or
Virginia, Washington, you know, Pennsylvania

964
01:11:56.800 --> 01:12:00.840
area or north you know, you
get people in certain areas pack with you

965
01:12:00.920 --> 01:12:05.399
know, they may not be the
type of people socially that they go out

966
01:12:05.600 --> 01:12:10.279
and do things. You know where
if you look the Marea or the high

967
01:12:10.319 --> 01:12:13.680
in the region, people that you
know that we go on camping, you

968
01:12:13.720 --> 01:12:15.560
know, we we do things on
the weekends. You get out of dodge,

969
01:12:15.800 --> 01:12:17.840
so to speak. It's some loose
that's actually go to a dodge for

970
01:12:17.880 --> 01:12:23.439
a vacation. You know, that's
so and I think that's a big deal.

971
01:12:23.560 --> 01:12:27.000
You know, in California, I
live in hyper Beach. I had

972
01:12:27.039 --> 01:12:30.359
to drive an hour and a half, you know, in almost two hours

973
01:12:30.399 --> 01:12:32.239
to get to a place where I
got out. And here in Colorado,

974
01:12:32.319 --> 01:12:35.680
I go fifteen minutes and I'm looking, you know, I'm looking in the

975
01:12:35.760 --> 01:12:39.640
Rooks. So it's you know,
I think that might have to do with

976
01:12:39.760 --> 01:12:43.199
the two, along with the right
solutions, just the social behavior of people

977
01:12:43.720 --> 01:12:47.279
in the in the high speed states. Yeah, and I don't think that

978
01:12:47.520 --> 01:12:50.840
any of us are surprised at Arizona. I was kind of surprised it was

979
01:12:50.960 --> 01:12:55.359
number one, but I'm not surprised
it's in the hot spot now. I

980
01:12:55.439 --> 01:12:58.119
know, Chuck, you were born
in Arizona? Were you born there?

981
01:12:58.159 --> 01:13:01.439
To Debbie no I was born in
Grand Reports, Michigan. Oh really,

982
01:13:01.640 --> 01:13:05.319
Michigan. You guys were all over
that place. Well, Michigan's on the

983
01:13:05.439 --> 01:13:10.600
map, which I'm not too surprised
about Michigan either, because there's always been

984
01:13:10.640 --> 01:13:15.239
a lot of UFO sidings around the
Great Lakes areas. I think they're following

985
01:13:15.279 --> 01:13:19.760
me Michigan and Arizona and the very
all three states. I know. Wow,

986
01:13:20.520 --> 01:13:25.520
that's how I feel too, with
Colorado and Arizona. Chuck the state

987
01:13:25.640 --> 01:13:31.680
you Arizona. What's interesting is that
Arizona is where Chuck was born. It's

988
01:13:31.800 --> 01:13:35.439
number one on my hot Spot map, and out of the three of us,

989
01:13:35.560 --> 01:13:50.199
he's the strangest. Truth I will
I won't argue that I'm not too

990
01:13:50.279 --> 01:13:55.560
far behind. I think I had
a very really clear s guy there too.

991
01:13:55.640 --> 01:13:58.640
Well that's yeah, I think they're
following you a hond that's for your

992
01:13:58.680 --> 01:14:01.680
sub Yeah, I mean, I
mean, uh, it's the sunny estate.

993
01:14:01.800 --> 01:14:05.520
So there's the most clear skies in
Arizona. Uh. There's of course

994
01:14:05.720 --> 01:14:10.079
one of the bigger towns in the
country, Phoenix here, which is like

995
01:14:10.920 --> 01:14:15.159
interesting because I'm you know, Colorado, Denver is more of an urban kind

996
01:14:15.199 --> 01:14:17.640
of area, and then you have, of course the beautiful mountains that the

997
01:14:17.800 --> 01:14:23.199
suburbs you know, spill up against. Out Here is kind of more of

998
01:14:23.399 --> 01:14:30.000
a giant suburb suburb Forever with real
No, not much of a central downtown.

999
01:14:30.079 --> 01:14:33.079
It doesn't feel like but yeah,
you're right, Travis Walton was out

1000
01:14:33.159 --> 01:14:40.000
here. That's what us and I
interested in the sky. Both of us

1001
01:14:40.039 --> 01:14:44.239
have always owned the telescope. And
I moved to Arizona when I was five.

1002
01:14:44.920 --> 01:14:47.920
So actually I think a turned spy
in Arizona. So you get a

1003
01:14:48.039 --> 01:14:54.279
job in Arizona and you that's why
you moved. No, No, our

1004
01:14:54.359 --> 01:15:00.920
family, my family moved by.
Our parents lived in this in and my

1005
01:15:00.079 --> 01:15:03.760
dad had a cross by World War
two injury, so for his health,

1006
01:15:03.840 --> 01:15:13.520
he moved to Arizona when when then
they had check yes not to not too

1007
01:15:13.600 --> 01:15:15.760
long after we moved there. I
think Chuck was conceived in Michigan, boy

1008
01:15:15.800 --> 01:15:20.840
in Arizona, yetcha, But we
grew up with that Arizona sky. We

1009
01:15:21.000 --> 01:15:27.359
lived in Stafford at the time was
a very small town and I take out

1010
01:15:27.359 --> 01:15:29.640
of the house in the middle of
night, climb up on the garage roof

1011
01:15:29.720 --> 01:15:31.199
and just took at the stars.
So I think that that has about to

1012
01:15:31.279 --> 01:15:35.119
do with our interests. Yeah did
you? Oh yeah, well, well

1013
01:15:35.199 --> 01:15:38.560
what you were smoking too? Is
it? Did you the got caught?

1014
01:15:40.079 --> 01:15:42.479
That was a little kid. I
remember going, oh, no, I

1015
01:15:42.479 --> 01:15:45.119
guess there was land of the gout
caught. Yeah, that was friend and

1016
01:15:45.159 --> 01:15:49.159
I never did I never did come
over. Did you? Did either of

1017
01:15:49.239 --> 01:15:55.439
you have in Arizona? You know? Serious for those people ask me who

1018
01:15:55.640 --> 01:15:59.600
first started? For me, I
remember as a kids, and there was

1019
01:15:59.600 --> 01:16:02.640
a where I remember I thought I
saw something that you know, it's been

1020
01:16:02.720 --> 01:16:05.439
so long a though that you know, it could be all in my in

1021
01:16:05.520 --> 01:16:09.359
my head, like I kind of
remember seeing something and the people talking about

1022
01:16:09.359 --> 01:16:12.079
the strange life. I don't know
it. It's one of those very very

1023
01:16:12.159 --> 01:16:15.119
state memories that kind of actually happened
to me, or I could have watched

1024
01:16:15.119 --> 01:16:17.520
an arm show. But you know, it's something that I've always thought about.

1025
01:16:18.039 --> 01:16:20.920
And one of the things that I
realized is when when I sixteen years

1026
01:16:20.920 --> 01:16:26.199
ago, when I moved from California
to UH to Colorado, I was going

1027
01:16:26.239 --> 01:16:28.880
through some old books that I had, you know, and I was looking

1028
01:16:28.960 --> 01:16:31.800
you remember those weekly reader readers and
then the books that week to have we

1029
01:16:31.920 --> 01:16:36.560
could get books every every time with
the weekends from elementary school. I couldn't

1030
01:16:36.600 --> 01:16:42.079
believe the majority of books I had
were on your folks. Wow. So

1031
01:16:42.520 --> 01:16:45.319
and that was when I was in
elementary school, you know, eight nine

1032
01:16:45.399 --> 01:16:46.720
years old. So at that time, you know, I had I had

1033
01:16:46.760 --> 01:16:50.600
a real good as fascination for you
know, you apology, a couple of

1034
01:16:50.640 --> 01:16:54.920
diners for a books. So most
of them were basically your folks stuff.

1035
01:16:55.039 --> 01:16:58.399
So you know, for me,
my love started, you know, for

1036
01:16:58.600 --> 01:17:01.159
young Yeah, a lot of mine
were that too. They were astronomy.

1037
01:17:01.199 --> 01:17:04.680
And when I was very young,
I saw the flying wing over. They

1038
01:17:04.840 --> 01:17:09.520
tried to say that it was never
really airborne, but I was outside.

1039
01:17:09.560 --> 01:17:15.640
I was maybe eight nine years old, you mean their wings, Yeah,

1040
01:17:15.680 --> 01:17:18.960
that's yeah, the big Air Force
flying wings actually did fly. It went

1041
01:17:19.119 --> 01:17:23.880
low over our house. I remember
seeing I remember the propellers on the front.

1042
01:17:26.880 --> 01:17:30.880
Yes, I think you know.
I'm with Chuck. There was you

1043
01:17:30.920 --> 01:17:34.399
know, great sky, always an
interest and as far as seeing anything,

1044
01:17:36.079 --> 01:17:40.239
yeah, now there's a lot of
things you can't explain. That's the nature

1045
01:17:40.279 --> 01:17:44.359
of being an investigator. So okay, I want to get back because we

1046
01:17:44.479 --> 01:17:47.119
are starting to very low on time, get back to Missouri because you've got

1047
01:17:47.159 --> 01:17:53.079
a lot of stuff going on.
A lot of fifty four reports now,

1048
01:17:53.199 --> 01:17:57.920
Chober, that's pretty exciting. That's
shocking because that's going to probably be you

1049
01:17:58.199 --> 01:18:09.239
up on my list from Bio sifty
five now. But you got a lot

1050
01:18:09.319 --> 01:18:13.000
of media too lately, which always
helps to bring in more sightings. And

1051
01:18:13.119 --> 01:18:18.800
you've got a lot of the media
from controversial siding where the media had said,

1052
01:18:19.000 --> 01:18:24.319
you know, some people came out
to admit that that was the stub

1053
01:18:24.399 --> 01:18:28.560
planes, that you were playing their
stutplanes that night and people were seeing that.

1054
01:18:29.159 --> 01:18:32.880
Did that all they they didn't.
I hunted them down. Oh you

1055
01:18:33.000 --> 01:18:38.960
hunted them down, Tell me about
it. We had movited after I found

1056
01:18:39.039 --> 01:18:43.600
them. We had people that were
calling around the airport. So some of

1057
01:18:43.640 --> 01:18:45.159
those sightings that thought, well,
the person we need to do is call

1058
01:18:46.439 --> 01:18:53.960
the at least some municipal airport.
I got a hold of somebody there who

1059
01:18:54.239 --> 01:18:58.880
was going to be gone in a
few minutes. It was with fifty airport

1060
01:18:58.880 --> 01:19:03.239
at seven o'clock the officer. So
I got online and found the PAA flying

1061
01:19:03.359 --> 01:19:09.760
team out of Leaf Summit, got
some information that conveined, made a seap

1062
01:19:09.800 --> 01:19:14.359
phone calls and there was a traffic
accident that happened in in the area of

1063
01:19:14.439 --> 01:19:16.199
one of the sidings. So the
major highways in the fourth five of the

1064
01:19:16.239 --> 01:19:20.800
highways Highway County, they had traffic
blocks up, people outside standing up as

1065
01:19:20.840 --> 01:19:25.399
the cars looking up. And so
when we said the road you know we

1066
01:19:25.479 --> 01:19:29.880
don't file with life plans looking you
know, you might be responsible with the

1067
01:19:29.960 --> 01:19:35.880
traffic issues and six gentleman started throwing
me his life lands and uh so we

1068
01:19:35.960 --> 01:19:40.199
had a very nice conversation. Used
to say it was the EAA flying team.

1069
01:19:40.760 --> 01:19:43.840
I know what time they took up
with the seven pm on the sober

1070
01:19:43.880 --> 01:19:48.079
court. They were in in the
air for twelve to fifteen minutes forming a

1071
01:19:48.880 --> 01:19:55.239
triangle with a delta formations pattern around
Leaf onum it. They had six poins

1072
01:19:55.720 --> 01:19:59.359
they put in this formation. The
first website said they were experimental planks for

1073
01:19:59.399 --> 01:20:02.960
their tips. There's something to buy
for twenty five thirty thousand dollars in and

1074
01:20:03.000 --> 01:20:06.880
put a motorator for about one hundred. But that would explain that they have

1075
01:20:08.079 --> 01:20:12.399
lights and the white silvery lights and
the tips of the wings and the hill

1076
01:20:12.479 --> 01:20:15.760
and you know the green and red
lights and the tipplings, you know,

1077
01:20:15.800 --> 01:20:17.760
and they're flying one hundred fifty miles
an hour. I lined all that down.

1078
01:20:17.800 --> 01:20:21.520
I know where they were. What
fine, I've got their flight patterns.

1079
01:20:21.840 --> 01:20:28.039
They weren't over the floor thirty five
and highways seventies covering. They're small

1080
01:20:28.159 --> 01:20:32.119
two person planes. They're not a
triangle shaped aircraft with yellow lights on the

1081
01:20:32.159 --> 01:20:38.439
bottom covering two to four hundred foot
covering over a highway. These were going

1082
01:20:38.479 --> 01:20:43.359
one hundred and fifty miles an hour. Also, two check were checking into

1083
01:20:43.439 --> 01:20:46.560
with we. We've had a couple
of reports that there was a rancher an

1084
01:20:46.600 --> 01:20:51.479
the area that had a horse and
there are his dogs mutilated. So we're

1085
01:20:51.560 --> 01:20:59.159
checking into that right now in this
area. Yeah, there's a lot going

1086
01:20:59.199 --> 01:21:04.119
on with We also know that theres
for some reason, they flew in uh

1087
01:21:04.880 --> 01:21:12.560
drones from Texas, about a dozen
of those to Whitman Airfield. I don't

1088
01:21:12.720 --> 01:21:15.159
know if it's diversionary package. I
don't know if that has to do with

1089
01:21:15.279 --> 01:21:18.800
the factors we're on yellow alerts,
but like anytime yellow averse, it's wanting

1090
01:21:18.840 --> 01:21:25.960
to be teams around my must I
heard V two don't cover. They're also

1091
01:21:26.159 --> 01:21:30.119
very loud, so if you got
we had sport that we're standing pretty much

1092
01:21:30.119 --> 01:21:35.319
outside your vehicles looking up at this
intersection. And not to mention all the

1093
01:21:35.359 --> 01:21:39.119
people, the other people that saw
the just be thought the file of report

1094
01:21:39.560 --> 01:21:44.119
and this craft was hovering over the
highways. So it wasn't these little plans

1095
01:21:44.119 --> 01:21:45.760
that were doing one hundred and fifty
miles an hour twelve hundred feet in it,

1096
01:21:46.000 --> 01:21:48.920
you know, And it wasn't the
B two. How many people reported

1097
01:21:49.039 --> 01:21:56.640
that hovering incidents, you know,
we've got we're still narrowing that town.

1098
01:21:58.000 --> 01:22:00.600
I took about a dozen of the
ones. It sounded like they were the

1099
01:22:00.720 --> 01:22:04.760
CIA flying team, and just out
of that I had two of them that

1100
01:22:04.800 --> 01:22:08.840
said absolutely not. This thing was
big and it was hourring. It was

1101
01:22:08.880 --> 01:22:12.720
the size of a seven forty seven
was hovering over the highway. We've got

1102
01:22:12.800 --> 01:22:15.880
supports to the people right there at
the intersection. Then of course we've got

1103
01:22:15.960 --> 01:22:18.760
supports and all the surrounding areas because
then after recovered, then it moved away

1104
01:22:18.800 --> 01:22:25.000
slowly. So Margie and I right
now, Margie k is the assistant Missouri

1105
01:22:25.119 --> 01:22:27.800
muf ON, the assistant state director. She lives in the Kansas City area

1106
01:22:27.840 --> 01:22:31.359
in Independence. She's going through all
the pictures, all the drawings, all

1107
01:22:31.399 --> 01:22:35.119
the video, and I'm the one
that's trying to map out. We're gonna

1108
01:22:35.159 --> 01:22:41.720
we're gonna do a push pin map
on Google Worth and to separate the identified

1109
01:22:41.800 --> 01:22:45.800
from the unidentified, and that's kind
of what we're in the process of it.

1110
01:22:45.880 --> 01:22:49.760
It started off Toober four, so
we're only at the twentieth. We

1111
01:22:49.840 --> 01:22:54.680
had a lot of field investigators that
are out of town and sick. We've

1112
01:22:54.720 --> 01:22:58.079
got one of the gentlemen helping us, and there's Margin and me. So

1113
01:22:58.720 --> 01:23:02.000
it's been a lot of late nine
hours, but we're going through all this.

1114
01:23:02.199 --> 01:23:10.000
There is probably a good one four
just flat looking at it, you

1115
01:23:10.039 --> 01:23:14.680
know, just sit looking at it. That are that are large some types

1116
01:23:14.720 --> 01:23:20.239
of large craft or orange lights or
some type. Gotcha we're right now.

1117
01:23:20.880 --> 01:23:25.960
You can't really give some definite numbers
because the thro's a lot of information and

1118
01:23:26.159 --> 01:23:28.600
still coming in. There's a lot
of people that they won't call it in

1119
01:23:28.680 --> 01:23:30.680
until lots of they hear about it
and they say, you know, I

1120
01:23:30.760 --> 01:23:31.920
saw that too, I need to
call it in, and they're they're coming

1121
01:23:31.960 --> 01:23:35.239
in every single day, we get
another one at least one, right,

1122
01:23:35.840 --> 01:23:43.760
and when uh, as far as
fifty four signings, let's see when it

1123
01:23:43.840 --> 01:23:50.319
comes to Missouri, what one hundred
and thirty six you've gotten up until last

1124
01:23:50.520 --> 01:23:54.920
month. So, I mean that's
a lot. So even if you a

1125
01:23:55.079 --> 01:24:00.840
quarter of those are actually not the
stumping for which is interesting. So,

1126
01:24:00.199 --> 01:24:04.479
I mean, part of this flap
was due to the stunt planes. You

1127
01:24:04.600 --> 01:24:09.880
had drones in the area for some
reason and in the area for some reason,

1128
01:24:10.479 --> 01:24:14.079
and so that created a lot of
sightings. But still you're saying a

1129
01:24:14.159 --> 01:24:18.039
good quarter of them are are you
do have some legitimate incidents here too that

1130
01:24:18.279 --> 01:24:23.279
don't have to do with these conventional
answers. Well, it was interesting in

1131
01:24:23.399 --> 01:24:29.479
twenty ten you had one hundred and
thirty eight scidies total, So we're already

1132
01:24:29.520 --> 01:24:38.560
at that lance here to go.
Yeah, it's it's what we had to

1133
01:24:38.760 --> 01:24:40.960
Okay, a lot of the slightings, you know, and we say that

1134
01:24:41.239 --> 01:24:45.039
wasn't all of it either. We
had the Golden Knights guydiving team I believe

1135
01:24:45.079 --> 01:24:51.079
that that was in August, and
there were these their Army guyde editing teams

1136
01:24:51.159 --> 01:24:56.600
that they jumped out of a plane
that would lift They four gentlemen had flares.

1137
01:24:57.239 --> 01:25:00.800
They they this patterned as they came
down. That we had a lot

1138
01:25:00.800 --> 01:25:04.399
of useful sightings on that. Although
when some of the study was starting to

1139
01:25:04.439 --> 01:25:06.439
come in, people were saying,
well, wait a minute, I saw

1140
01:25:06.439 --> 01:25:12.000
the covering ball of light, which
was one that was four miles from my

1141
01:25:12.079 --> 01:25:15.640
house. The lady reported that a
large ball of lighte hovering about the two

1142
01:25:15.720 --> 01:25:20.439
telephone poles high in the sky hovers
there has been shot straight up the height

1143
01:25:20.479 --> 01:25:24.840
of a helicopter, hovered for about
ten to fifteen more seconds, and then

1144
01:25:24.880 --> 01:25:30.720
shot heap across. I went sitty
side and into Illinois. So when you've

1145
01:25:30.760 --> 01:25:32.920
got sightings of people that said,
well, you know, we know that

1146
01:25:33.079 --> 01:25:40.680
there were parachutists that were in the
area at night doing this stunt another stunt

1147
01:25:40.760 --> 01:25:45.119
incident. Surprisingly enough, then you
have other things like this and said no,

1148
01:25:45.199 --> 01:25:47.880
these things were shooting across the sky
to go on parallel and then have

1149
01:25:47.960 --> 01:25:50.279
one. Lady said, well,
I saw it come up from a field,

1150
01:25:50.439 --> 01:25:53.920
went straight up and hovered and then
shut up in the distance. I

1151
01:25:54.000 --> 01:25:57.880
had my thirteen year old granddaughter in
Annapolis, which is in that thirty seven

1152
01:25:57.920 --> 01:26:01.720
degree latitude, was on a float
trippy end of July, and she and

1153
01:26:01.800 --> 01:26:05.239
the rottle girl she was with the
fifteen year old girl and the bomb went

1154
01:26:05.279 --> 01:26:09.600
on a float trip. Was the
night the little hotel, and they went

1155
01:26:09.680 --> 01:26:13.600
outside to canta the little hotel,
so they went upside for some pressure and

1156
01:26:13.640 --> 01:26:16.800
they have some slows and ships,
and they looked out and were five balls

1157
01:26:16.840 --> 01:26:20.039
of light that were sitting in the
field across the streets. I mean just

1158
01:26:20.199 --> 01:26:23.880
a line of them sitting. And
then I asked her, I said,

1159
01:26:23.880 --> 01:26:25.800
well, the next gage, you
will see what was over there. She

1160
01:26:25.880 --> 01:26:29.760
said there were more fields than trees. So we've got balls of light in

1161
01:26:29.840 --> 01:26:33.239
the area. July we had skyliners, which are Chinese lanterns, and then

1162
01:26:33.319 --> 01:26:38.439
they set these things up. We
had people letting them off of the sky

1163
01:26:38.920 --> 01:26:44.000
forty fifty at a time to commemoratives. So a lot of that was you

1164
01:26:44.079 --> 01:26:46.800
know, we had a couple dozen
studies, but at least a dozen was

1165
01:26:46.880 --> 01:26:50.000
that. But then these things don't
shoot off at a high rate of speed,

1166
01:26:51.520 --> 01:26:55.960
so it's all a matter of trying
to tend this down. But it

1167
01:26:56.079 --> 01:26:58.760
just seems awfu strange that we've had
a lot of balls of light, We've

1168
01:26:58.800 --> 01:27:00.760
had a lot of triangle craft in
the middle of all this. All of

1169
01:27:00.840 --> 01:27:04.399
a sudden, we've got people stepping
off skyliners that never did before. We've

1170
01:27:04.399 --> 01:27:08.800
got sky divers in here that are
flying around the players in no nights.

1171
01:27:09.079 --> 01:27:15.439
We've got stunt players, We've got
we've got drone planes and no someday after

1172
01:27:15.479 --> 01:27:20.000
it's trying to make my life really
yeah crazy, uh huh, because the

1173
01:27:20.079 --> 01:27:26.119
word diversion come into play someplace here. But you know, if you look

1174
01:27:26.159 --> 01:27:30.239
at Missouri, Missouri has always been
I should say a hotspot. I mean

1175
01:27:30.520 --> 01:27:33.239
you tried to jop on life here. I mean you have the nineteen forty

1176
01:27:33.319 --> 01:27:38.600
one Kate Giraro incident. Uh you
know that that you know, people to

1177
01:27:38.720 --> 01:27:41.520
the day, even you know,
Devi and I were over there at one

1178
01:27:41.560 --> 01:27:45.720
point. You know, we're looking
at it. So it's it's really fascinating

1179
01:27:45.800 --> 01:27:47.960
to see this and I'm kind of
you know, because I know about the

1180
01:27:48.000 --> 01:27:51.960
second parking, you know before,
ahead of time. I'm figuring I need

1181
01:27:53.039 --> 01:27:57.640
to jump on their place and get
out there too. Wow. Yeah,

1182
01:27:58.199 --> 01:28:01.920
that's the really exciting page. No
here over there, I should say,

1183
01:28:03.600 --> 01:28:08.000
Well, we can explain, but
there's a lot of things that's been out

1184
01:28:08.079 --> 01:28:11.479
on landing trips, and there's a
lot of things that you just can't explain.

1185
01:28:11.600 --> 01:28:15.479
Yeah, I tried, you know, I start out in every case

1186
01:28:15.520 --> 01:28:18.239
of the skeptics. Yeah, and
I'm in the Sholi state. You know,

1187
01:28:18.319 --> 01:28:23.239
this is Lasouri is the showy state. You have to show me what

1188
01:28:23.560 --> 01:28:26.279
there is. There's a lot of
this. I can't figure it out.

1189
01:28:26.479 --> 01:28:29.880
Yeah. It does sound like though, even with the B two's and the

1190
01:28:30.000 --> 01:28:33.760
drones and the stunt pilots, even
considering all of that, if that hadn't

1191
01:28:33.960 --> 01:28:39.159
happen this month, you still would
have had a busy month. We still

1192
01:28:39.199 --> 01:28:42.439
had a very very busy month.
Yet. Yeah, I mean this month

1193
01:28:42.560 --> 01:28:45.359
is turning out to be pretty crazy
for you. Well, we're pretty much

1194
01:28:45.439 --> 01:28:49.119
out of time. I know you're
both really busy people. So thank you

1195
01:28:49.279 --> 01:28:54.600
so much. I'm glad you were
able to stay up because I think it's

1196
01:28:54.720 --> 01:28:58.479
late, especially for Debbie and get
on the phone with me. Thank you

1197
01:28:58.560 --> 01:29:01.520
so much. Oh, thank you
for having me on yep mine, thank

1198
01:29:01.560 --> 01:29:06.479
you. It's always a pleasure,
Angelie tell you all. Yeah, for

1199
01:29:06.600 --> 01:29:11.359
sure, it's always great to talk
to you guys. Thank you so much.

1200
01:29:14.960 --> 01:29:20.199
Are you can read more about checking
his information at ufonut dot com dot

1201
01:29:20.319 --> 01:29:25.359
ufout dot com and he's a goofy
guys. You can see great guy,

1202
01:29:25.479 --> 01:29:30.720
great researcher. He'll be speaking at
the International UFO Congress in February. Otherwise,

1203
01:29:30.840 --> 01:29:32.239
sorry to drop a bomb on you, but we're not gonna have a

1204
01:29:32.319 --> 01:29:35.439
show next week, so come back
in two weeks. I know lots of

1205
01:29:35.520 --> 01:29:39.960
you get bummed out when we skip
a week, but we've got lots of

1206
01:29:40.039 --> 01:29:42.920
cool stuff, new projects going on
that you're going to see over in the

1207
01:29:43.039 --> 01:29:45.279
next couple of weeks, and we'll
tell you all about it next week.

1208
01:29:45.600 --> 01:29:48.000
Thanks for listening to Open Minds Radio. Don't forget to visit Openminds dot tv

1209
01:29:48.119 --> 01:29:50.359
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you next week, people,