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Dan Raphael was there in the Team
Mobile arena for the body shot that ended

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things on Saturday night. He's ready
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So much to get to. First
of all, how are things? I

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know, you've gotten some sleep,
great work overnight, we've been publishing your

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stuff on Big Fight Weekend dot Com. You've had some time to digest sometime,

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to get a little rest. How
are we doing on the on the

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day after, I'm still starting to
figure out why I woke up after like

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three hours of sleep or no parent
reason. I mean, I have a

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flight to catch, but it's not
till like one thirty Pacific time, so

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I'll go to the airport early and
meander around and you know, get lunch

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and chill out. But I didn't
need to be up this early. I

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don't know why I am. And
you know, the only thing worse than

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being awake that early is being on
the podcast with you this early. Oh,

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listen to that. But still,
nonetheless, it is all in all

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seriousness. It was, you know, it was it was another another big

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fight week, and it was They're
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can, you know, sometimes you
make we all make predictions, and that

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doesn't necessarily go the way you thought. I mean, we'll talk about it,

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obviously, but I think most people
that thought that there would be a

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knockout in this fight. Didn't necessarily
see tanked by body shot. That's not

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the biggest, uh you know,
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of your mind when you're thinking about
a Tank Davis knockout. You're thinking a

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big head shot and uppercut, but
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you know with Ryan, you know
the fact that he was even to me,

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well again, we'll get all the
details in. But he went down

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twice. He went down on the
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but he also had gotten down early
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clean shot, a left to the
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have knocked a lot of guys out. He was able to get up from

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the chin shot and and seemed okay. But the body shot that they're the

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most you know, you asked any
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shots, but I've talked to any
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to a man to a woman,
probably they'll tell you that they'd rather get

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there with a clean head shot than
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week. Sure, all right,
So we'll get into that for the end

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of that fight. We'll go over
the whole card, by the way,

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a fantastic Cordina rock them off world
title fight in Cardiff, Wales, and

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we're not overselling tremendous fight that we're
going to cover and talk about chronologically.

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Next, a little bit of news
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heavyweight title upset happened over this weekend, back over twenty years ago, and

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Dan's got great stories from that.
We've told it before on the podcast.

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We'll bring some of it back,
but anyway, thank you for finding us

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Thursday into Friday, and just like
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recapping late Sunday into Monday. You're
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whatever's going on. Dan is plugged
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sport, and they're on location in
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subscribing. Okay, so you were
there, let's begin. Let's just go

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in order of this night and of
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atmosphere because we got some feeling about
it through the Showtime slashed his own pay

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per view PPV dot com. But
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photo, by the way, and
put it on social media about this was

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right before the bell rang. But
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the atmosphere like in the T Mobile
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they got in the ring and it
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you mentioned, TJ, I've started
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I never used to do it,
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a kid and I first started to
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greatest moments in sports it's not so
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or when there's a walk off home
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really exciting. And to me,
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I don't care what it is.
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to a humongous fight, you've been
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of the fight and all the press
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and there's nothing left to say and
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the intros, and they've done the
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and they take the robes off and
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and I get an interesting bird's eye
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see this massive humanity suddenly clear,
like a you know, like the parting

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of the Red Sea, let's call
it. And all the people get out

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of the ring, the trainers,
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on, the guy that holds your
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and you look in there and there's
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his arms at and the bells about
to go, and the fucking crowd is

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going absolutely bonkers. And it is
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it's one of the things that makes
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is it is just an electrifying moment, and you want to have it every

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single time you go to a big
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and there's just those three guys in
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and the flashbulbs are now, camera
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like it. And I took that
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the media for this fight. We
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were sort of in the back of
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Not bad seats, obviously they're taking
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like five grand. I can I
can't really argue with that. In any

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event, you would like to confirm, you would like to confirm you were

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not paying five grand to be a
media member and sit at ringside where you're

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actually doing my job there. But
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on one side and Ryan another side, and you got the referee Thomas Taylor,

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who I thought did a hell of
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you know, holding them to go, and you know then he signals

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to the timekeeper and they ring the
bellot off we go. And I took

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a similar picture that was to me
anyway, I'm no photographer. I took

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a picture like that on the night
that Canelo Alvarez fought Billy Joe Saunders,

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when I was there in Arlington,
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you know, you see one of
the I think it was one guy is

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turned around like in a moment of
prayer, and the other fighter is ready

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to hold it on the ropes sorady
to charge out, and the referees like

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that. It's just a great moment. I mean, it is phenomenal.

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And you know, every fight I
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it's a big one like this,
I will do that. But you ask

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about the atmosphere. That moment is
incredible no matter what. But I have

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to say, and I don't want
to like, I'm not like trying to

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be Debbie Downer, Okay, And
maybe it's I've had the great privilege to

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cover so many megafights. I believe
I'm not sure. Maybe I have to

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figure this out. I believe that
last night was the either the fourteenth or

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the fifteenth boxing event to take place
inside the Team Ombrina. I have covered

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every single one of them, and
so I have comparisons Mayweather fights and Canello

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fights and you know, Tyson Fury
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So the atmosphere was terrific, obviously, but it wasn't. I didn't

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find it personally at that level.
I think one of the reasons for it,

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to be quite honest, is because
both guys came to the ring with

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kind of chill music, not like
something that's going to get the Ryan came

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into a I don't know what the
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it felt like some kind of spiritual, like kind of a slower pace.

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I don't know if it was a
religious song or something. I mean of

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respect that, you know, every
boxer has to pick what's gonna make them

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comfortable. But whatever Ryan selected was
not the kind of thing that's gonna necessarily

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get a you know, a crowd, a sold out crowd of nearly twenty

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one thousand people jumping off their seats. And then I don't remember what tank

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song. I think it was.
It was a rap song of some type.

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It wasn't so much like of a
driving beat type of thing that would,

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you know, sort of lend itself
to getting your all geared up,

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so that that was a little bit
of a disappointment, honestly, but you

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can complaint. I mean, even
if it was the fifteenth out of fifteenth

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best atmospheres at Team Overin, it's
still a big fucking fight and you're excited

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to be there. So and I
also do one other thing before these big

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fights happened. I always take a
moment, no matter what, just to

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take a deep breath and look around
and at my hair, surroundings and sort

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of take in the atmosphere just to
sort of get a picture in my mind

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that I hope last for a long
long time. And I did that last

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night in that place was absolutely packed. I mean there was no place to

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put other people. I mean that
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That they had standing seats, but
standing room only tickets. I believe

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that they had brought in some additional
folks for that fight. So, I

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mean, I wish every boxing fan
TJ could go to a big fight because

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I can't tell you how many people
in my career I have met who they

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come to a fight and I'll come
up to me to talk to me boxing

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stuff, and they'll say, oh, you know, i've never been to

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a big fight. Is my first
time going to a fight. And I

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tell them, I said, if
you're a big fan like this and you've

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never been, when you go,
you're done for life because you'll always get

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a fan because that's how great the
atmosphere for these big events can be.

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Yeah, you're hooked at that moment, all right, So let's get into

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it. I will say up front
from a distance not being there, this

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is not an epic. It was
not an epic. It did get a

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knockout. It delivered on excitement for
that reason. Although it was kind of

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weird as an unfolded we're gonna get
into that. But in terms of action

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pat, in terms of lots of
punches and drama, this was not that.

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That's me saying that. All right, Now give me your analysis because

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you were closer to it, and
it obviously culminates with the body shot that

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for a two or three seconds we
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I mean, just to say to
you, I don't know what your reaction

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was. My first reaction was did
he hurt his leg? Is something wrong

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with my immediate first reaction is did
he just hurt his leg? And then

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you saw him grimacing, and it's
like that was the body shot, and

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the announcers even on showtime was the
same thing. But take us through the

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fight and your thoughts on it and
leading to the body shot and ended it.

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Well, I thought the same thing
as you. I mean, I

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was watching it and I saw I
mean the way that the knockout occurred where

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we were sitting tanks back was to
us and Ryan was facing us on our

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side of the arena. But I
thought I didn't see the punch at first,

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and I thought, yeah, he
took a step back. I thought

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he twisted his knee. It I
had. I tell you what I immediately

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thought of. This is how like
it came to my mind that it was

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a like a leg injury. I
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was in Atlantic City or either Atlantic
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Actually I think about it Brooklyn Atlantic
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the IBF heavyweight title against Glasgow because
it was never a punch drone. They

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were like the second or third round
and glass Cloff simply fell down and went

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to it down because he had blown
out his knee and there was no punch

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landing. And that's what I That
was the first thing that popped into my

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mind. I tell you know,
it's a weird thing to think of,

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but you're trying to think about,
like what other situations are similar As it

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turned out when you watched the replays, Yeah, it was a body shot.

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The reason why you thought it was
a knee or a lag or a

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foot or an ankle or something like
that was because there was so much time

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between the time that the punch connected
and the time that Brian went down.

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Relatively speaking, you get hit with
a headshot like that, you're gone,

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you know what I mean. You
get hit with a body shot, and

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i've i mean every boxing ban that
watches enough fights and you see body shots

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and guys go down to a knee. It's the late reaction is not an

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unusual thing. A guy gets hitting
the liver or the ribs or whatever that.

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You know, sometimes it takes a
second or two to transmit the pain

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before they actually realize what's up,
and they then they go down to a

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knee. This one, as the
late reactions go, seemed a lot longer.

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It was almost like one Mississippi,
two Mississippi, and now he goes

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down to a knee. But you
know, anybody that is suggesting that he

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wasn't truly hurt and it was,
you know, he was kind of shamming

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out of the fight, that's nonsense. He was like he you could just

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leave a look on his face as
nose was bleeding. You know, he

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was in you know, the rest
from that body punch. It was,

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and it wasn't. I didn't.
I mean I watched it a few times

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on the replace. I don't believe
it was a liver shot. I believe

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what it did what it took the
breath away because he hit him like above

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the liver, like in the rib
cage, and the combination of like you

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know, taking your wind out plus
getting hit on the ribs like that is

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gonna it's gonna take you a few
seconds to recover from that. So that

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that was a spectacular punch from Tank
Davis, not a punch I'm used to

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seeing from in terms of going to
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to back up on some amount of
things you mentioned as far as the activity

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level and not being a class sicker
or anything like that. Like, I

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never thought it was going to be
an epic fight, just because epic fights

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usually don't happen when you have that
kind of power with both combatants. Epic

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fights often happen when you see guys
who are, you know, good punchers

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maybe, but they're not devastating punchers. And Ryan Garcian and Tank Davis can

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eliminate you with one punch. It's
it's the epic fights are the fights that

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are guys that aren't necessarily the one
punch knockout artists, but it takes them

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a little while to break you down. That's why when I think about those

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types of fights, like you know, think about Eric Morales and Marco Antonio

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Brera. I mean, they both
had a lot of knockouts and all that,

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and they were good punchers, but
no one's ever going to describe those

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two guys as knockout artists, And
the same thing would go for like a

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Mickey Warder and Artaro Gatti. Mickey
though with the body shots, whether he

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was capable of landing, you know, I'll go pick pick a trilogy even

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like like a Vander Holyfield and Ridding
Bow heavyweights, both good punchers obviously,

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but neither of them were big one
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but they could take their shots and
they could punch enough. So that's

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why they weren't going to hang in
and make them epic fights. With Tank

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and Ryan, I never thought it
would be that because I figured if someone's

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gonna connect like that, someone's gonna
go. But the one thing about it,

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the amount of punch is thrown.
I mean we talked beforehand about the

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cautious not the cautiousness, but the
economic punching of Tank Davis because he throws

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so few punches, but he lands
at such a high rate. That's a

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great combination if you're a boxer.
Ryan obviously a little more active and lands

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a little bit more. But in
this particular fight, I mean, if

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you if you just looked at the
raw punch stats and you hadn't to watch

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the match, You're like, oh
my god, that was like they were

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statistics that were in the toilet.
I mean they barely they barely threw any

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punches. I use your word cautious. He was overly cautious at the beginning

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of the fight. Jervonte Davis like, I am afraid almost to get countered

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until I figure out distance and angles. And then he eventually did figure it

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out quickly in the second round with
a leap. But I mean it was

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almost overly cautious. I would say
for a lot of the early part of

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the fight from Davis in terms of
what they landed and this. You know,

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again we talked about Company Box all
the time. I respect what they

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do. I again, I've said
a thousand times it's not the end all

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be all. It doesn't tell you
exactly what the fight is, but it

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does sures help give a good guy, especially when you keep looking at those

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numbers fight after fight after fight,
and not just one at a time as

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a whole totality. And in this
particular fight you had six was it six

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completed rounds and then you know a
little bit into the seventh round before they're

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not gonna occurred. So for both
fighters, only one time did one of

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them land double digits in a round, so Tank Davis was credited with landing

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I believe it was ten punches in
the sixth round, correct, Other than

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that one, two, three,
four, five and seven single digits and

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Garcia's single digits in the sixth round, and it was only ten punches,

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not fifteen or twenty or more.
So that tells you that there wasn't a

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lot of leather being swapped or landed. But what what the thing about the

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atmosphere and knowing the power that these
two guys possessed and that anything can happen

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at any moment and the crowd.
I found it to be. While not

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a great exciting fight, there was
to me always an element of tension like

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even though there wasn't a lot of
punches. I mean, I've seen shot

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like I'll give you an example watching
the Beck the Bully Gabriel Rosotto undercard fight.

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You know, I wanted to blow
my fucking brains out how bad that

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fight was. But there was no
punches landed, no punches throwne just a

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horrible, horrible fight. But so
there was I wanted to doze off.

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Even though there wasn't a lot of
punches or activity being going on. During

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the Tank and Ryan fight, there
was always like intense tension because they were

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like sizing each other up. You
knew something was gonna come. And even

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though there wasn't a lot of punches
going or you know either way, they

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still did throw enough where they were
connecting and making it interesting. So the

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lack of output didn't make it a
terrible fight. But again, like you

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said, it wasn't a classic.
I didn't expect the classic, but it

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was. You gotta give Tan credit, man, he got a job done,

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and that's what it's all about.
Take us back to the moment in

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the arena in the second round when
he lands the left upper cutting. It's

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interesting at the angle that he was
at He landed it on the left side,

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the left jaw, on the chin
of Garcia and knocked him down.

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I mean, everybody on their feet. I sat up. Tell me in

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the arena what it was like in
the team loble arena. Just a huge

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pop. I mean when when there's
that moment and everybody's been excited for this

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fight and you're expecting action. And
the first round was okay. I mean

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Ryan sort of established the jab and
he had a really good round, I

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thought, even though it wasn't like
a dominating round, but you know,

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he can fight and he's in the
ring. I mean he's rather he's in

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the fight and he's taking control.
And uh, not so much a surprise

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because we've talked many times about the
the the Tank Davis slow start where he

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doesn't throw much and that usually extends
deeper into the fight. So that didn't

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surprise Gate. But when he landed
that shot. Remember in the second round,

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Ryan was dominating the round. He
was making Tank hold onto him.

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He had landed some nice combinations and
he was having you know, he had

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him hanging on for dear life.
At one point he landed some some very

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solid punches and so You're like,
Okay, he's gonna he won the first

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round, he's probably he's definitely winning
the second round so far, and then

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suddenly Tank with a beautiful count on
the left hand. Clear up, you

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know, he dropped his hand and
clear on the chain. And I have

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to tell you it was his face
that would have been knocked out by that

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punch. And Ryan Garcia he took
that shot like a champ right, and

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he got up. And he not
only did he get up, he didn't

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really even seem that shaky, like
he can't call it a flash knock now

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because it was like clean is you
know, clean is a whistle kind of

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punch. But he shook that off, I mean kind of the same way

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he did a similar left hand that
dropped him against Louke Campbell the only other

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time he's been on the dead right, So that was early in that fight.

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And then, ironically for what we're
talking about, he ended the Campbell

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fight with a body shot of his
own hitting Campbell, So in this fight

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ended the other way with him getting
hit with the body shot. Do you

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believe it made Garcia more apprehensive from
that moment on? What did you judge

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from your ringside seat that now he
tasted that power and it made him a

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little more apprehensive. No, I
didn't sense that. I don't. I

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didn't sense apprehension because he knows that
he's a puncher. You know, he

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knows that, and you know he
wasn't hurt. I mean, he was

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gonna be careful. He was always
going to be trying to be careful of

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the left hand. That is,
you know tanks, you know, a

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south buzz. He's got a very
powerful left hand. So I don't I

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didn't sense apprehension because he was always
going to be on the lookout for that

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punch, and you know, he
just didn't catch it that time. In

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terms of I don't I don't know. I don't mean a up. But

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I don't know how much you got
to hear, if anything of the corner

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audio. But it was interesting from
Joe Goosen after the second round where he

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was saying to Ryan Garcia, he
is loading up and setting you up for

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that. Be careful, he's loading
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Keep moving, keep using the jab. So obviously they had talked about it,

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they've watched it on tape. That's
not a surprise. But it was

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interesting that that goose, and I
just wanted to let you know that was

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reminding him in between rounds. He's
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Just Joe would be derelicting his duty
of course, Ryan, I mean

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that that's Tank Davis's not his only
weapon, but that's like the best thing

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he does is land big left hands
and upper cuts. But back to round

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two, with the scoring of that
round, I found that to be very

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interesting. No no, no laugh
so let me just oh I am laughing,

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but go ahead. Interesting is one
way to describe it. Yeah,

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Ryan had, as we mentioned,
dominated the round, and he got knocked

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down late in the round and when
the when the round was over night,

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when the fight was over, rather
we got copies of the scorecards. Look

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at you had three judges, two
of scored. Two scored the round only

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ten to nine in favor of Tank
Davis. Because he had lost so one

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sidedly in the first part of the
round. They felt like the knockdown wasn't

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justifiable enough to give them two points. I didn't agree with that, but

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I understand that Dave Moretti, who
is one of the best judges in boxing

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and has been for decades, scored
the round ten to ten, and again

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that is permissible by the rules and
his philosophy. I again, I don't

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agree with it, but I'm not
going to argue with Dave Ready, who's

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got a lot more experience than you, me or anybody else. Frankly,

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his position is that that the knockdown
brought it back to a tie. That's

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how dominating Garcia had been. Now, I after the fight, had a

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conversation with one of the judges,
and not because I sought him out or

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vice versa. I just happened to
be the park MGM, which is across

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the street the Team Mobile arena,
and met up with a couple of people

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and some of the judges and the
other commitment and other people involved with the

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event were there. And it's a
judge I have known for a long time.

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We're not friends, we don't like
hang out, but you know,

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we've known each other for years and
have a healthy respect for one another.

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And I stopped and we talked about
it, and I wasn't like argumented if

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I was interested to, like,
what's the philosophy? And my philosophy is

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that a knockdown, particularly one that
that is that hard, that's a big

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moment in a fight as a knockdown
and you deserve the extra point. I

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didn't see Ryan as being that dom
make it only in one point round,

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so I scored round ten to eight. My bad. Maybe the other two

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judges scored a ten to nine and
Ready went ten to ten. I understand

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the rationale, and I know it's
easy to look at it and say,

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you know, oh my god,
what are they thinking? But if you

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know how judges are supposed to score, what the rules of boxing are,

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what is recommended by the commission,
what the sanction bodies talk about, it

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was not terrible. I was only
surprised that a judge would have scored it

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ten to nine, or even in
Murdy's case, which is a little bit

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more controversial, if you will,
ten to ten. I was a little

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surprised that not any of the three
judges scored a ten to eight, frankly,

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but you know, thankfully, it
didn't have any impact on the right

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scoring into the fight going the distance
because obviously there was a knockout. Because

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trust me, if that fight goes
the distance and it's a close fight or

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a draw, or it's one point
one way, or that extra point might

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have meant that difference between a win
a loss. That would have been the

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controversies. You've got a knockdown and
you didn't give him a ten a by

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the way, and by the way, we're coming to that with the Cordina

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rock them off ending where the fight
ends on a one point decision because of

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the knockdown round your exact point that
we will talk about in a little bit.

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And we should be and when we
should be clear on this. That's

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why it's called a ten point must
system. You had to give ten points

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to the winner. But still,
I mean, Tank Davis won the round,

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So make it a ten nine round
if that's the case. Well,

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I know, but the one that
scored a ten ten, Tank Davis has

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knocked down one that rap, so
make it make a ten line. After

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the fight, I'll let the take
you behind the curt a little bit.

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So the the uh, the PR
team that works the fight that helps,

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you know, helps and it does
great work to help all of us out

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that our journalists. Um. What
they do is they'll send the packet after

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the fight an email and in that
email, one of the things they send

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you is the official scorecard. Like
it they'll take there's a there's a what

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do you call it a photo link? What do we call like a drop

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box link? All right, So
in the drop box, you know,

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like you picked the artwork that the
that the photographer, you know, showtime

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and a PBC they have their photographers
are that allows any of the media to

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use those those images. But they
also put the official scorecard in there.

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So I blew that up on my
screen because I wanted to see where we

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were at at the time of the
knockout. And I'm looking and I see

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Okay tank as a head on the
scorecards, which makes sense, and I'm

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like doing a double take, like
why is the one fifty you know,

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fifty was a fifty eight fifty seven. I'm like, why is this all

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different? And I'm looking down each
road and then I realized the ten ten

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round was making me crazy and They're
to like do my math. It was

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just highly unusual. So yeah,
So after all these fights each at least

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the fights that were on the pay
per view, within a you know,

409
00:25:15,319 --> 00:25:18,759
a couple of minutes after the fight, we get the copy box statistics,

410
00:25:18,799 --> 00:25:22,240
and we get the squorecard and in
a link to go to the images of

411
00:25:22,319 --> 00:25:25,720
the bout. And I always take
a look at that squrecard and I was

412
00:25:25,799 --> 00:25:29,400
just sort of like surprised, as
we've been talking about that it was that

413
00:25:29,599 --> 00:25:32,240
that all three judges scored that round
the way way that they did. I

414
00:25:32,319 --> 00:25:34,079
mean, but that's uh, you
know, they all agreed so or at

415
00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:37,000
least, well, it is interesting
they all agreed that it shouldn't be ten

416
00:25:37,039 --> 00:25:41,359
to eight point. And your point
about the closeness of the round of the

417
00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:45,599
judges point would be at the beginning
of that round, Ryan Garcia laid a

418
00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:49,000
couple of right hands and Tank Davis
appeared to be a little stunned, and

419
00:25:49,079 --> 00:25:52,039
then he wanted to do in the
football rough housing. I'm going to try

420
00:25:52,079 --> 00:25:55,480
to tackle you so you can't hit
me with a follow up punch, and

421
00:25:55,559 --> 00:25:59,880
he got warned. It was kind
of he was following and trying to tack

422
00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:03,799
Ryan Garcia at two different times across
the ring because I think he was legitimately

423
00:26:03,839 --> 00:26:08,200
concerned about a follow up punch and
then boom. That's if you find if

424
00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:11,920
you find yourself in trouble, that's
a strategy to use, and you do

425
00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:15,079
it until the reftels you. Yeah, Thomas Taylor did eventually tell him to

426
00:26:15,359 --> 00:26:18,200
knock it up. All right,
So the fight goes along and Davis eventually

427
00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:22,359
gets the punch, gets the knockout
win. How would you describe it?

428
00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:25,079
Again, this is why we love
having you there. How would you describe

429
00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:27,880
the crowd in the seconds at the
end of it? Was it more confusion?

430
00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:33,839
Was there some booing you couldn't audibly
tell if there was booing that had

431
00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:36,680
stayed on the knee. What was
it like in the arena in that moment?

432
00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:40,039
There was definitely some confusion about why
he went down, but there was

433
00:26:40,079 --> 00:26:42,480
no confusion that the fight was over. So the people didn't care why it

434
00:26:42,559 --> 00:26:45,160
was over. If you were there
for Dank Davis. What was interesting about

435
00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:48,240
the crowd And you don't see this
a lot of times for some of these

436
00:26:48,319 --> 00:26:53,359
megafights, where there's usually a clear
you know, house fighter, the popular

437
00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:56,759
fighter, and then there's the villain
fighter. You know, who's the outsider

438
00:26:56,799 --> 00:27:00,839
who maybe not from this country or
not from that air area. In this

439
00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:03,680
particular fight, both guys had,
you know, tremendous support. There was

440
00:27:03,759 --> 00:27:07,920
one moment in I believe it was
in the sixth round and I wrote this

441
00:27:07,039 --> 00:27:12,720
in my piece, where that there
was there was a good exchange where both

442
00:27:12,799 --> 00:27:17,599
guys got in good punches in the
sixth round and the crowd. Half the

443
00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:19,440
crowd started chanting Ryan, Ryan,
and the other half, you know,

444
00:27:19,599 --> 00:27:23,200
moments later started channing Tank Tank Tank. So there was a split crowd.

445
00:27:23,279 --> 00:27:27,359
I mean, both guys got their
huge you know cheers, both guys got

446
00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:32,000
their booze. Uh. And that
makes it interesting. It was really truly

447
00:27:32,039 --> 00:27:34,319
a split house. There was a
ton of people there for for for Jervonta

448
00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:37,079
Davis. There was a ton of
people there that were cheering on for Ryan

449
00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:41,400
Garcia, and that makes it interesting. So, like I said, when

450
00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:45,079
the fight ended, there was definitely
confusion, and there was that. There

451
00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:48,119
was a lot of cheering from the
Tank people and not really much of it.

452
00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:51,599
Did you hear booing or you couldn't
hear booing? You just only heard

453
00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:55,880
booing, I mean when the fight
was ended, correct booing when the most

454
00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:59,079
people most of the time that there's
no when the fight's over. The booing

455
00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:00,519
usually only takes place that there's a
you know, people are upset with the

456
00:28:00,559 --> 00:28:03,440
scorecard, but on a knockout,
you know what happens, and that's that.

457
00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:08,759
So that this was unusual. You
know where I'm coming because he's on

458
00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:14,000
a knee. He's taking the full
count, and I think that most people

459
00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:17,960
watching believe he was going to get
up at eight or nine, and he

460
00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:21,960
stayed there and in that moment when
he stood up, my initial reaction was

461
00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:26,119
what he stood up after the ten
count? And so I just wonder if

462
00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:29,000
some people in the arena, we're
not only going what, but what are

463
00:28:29,039 --> 00:28:32,200
you doing? And booing about it
that he that he could have maybe continues.

464
00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:33,559
So I'm just curious. It was
quite like that. It was like

465
00:28:33,839 --> 00:28:37,359
when when again watching the rid play, you could tell Ryan and he just

466
00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:40,359
he couldn't catch his win. He
just was, you know, the onely

467
00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:44,079
thing. And I understand the criticism. The only thing is he's wincing.

468
00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:45,839
And and what's interesting when you go
back and watch, it's like the Suppruter

469
00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:48,960
film, Back into the Left,
Back into the Left. I'm just trying

470
00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:51,599
to make you laugh. But when
you watch the beginning of the knockdown,

471
00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:53,960
he tries to get up, like
the first knockdown, right away in the

472
00:28:55,039 --> 00:28:57,440
first second or two, and his
legs don't work. I'm serious. Watch

473
00:28:57,480 --> 00:29:00,599
it again, people, he tries
to get Up'm not saying this to Dan.

474
00:29:00,759 --> 00:29:03,519
Watch it to the fans, he
tries to get up in the first

475
00:29:03,559 --> 00:29:07,240
second or two when he winces like, my god, my legs don't work.

476
00:29:07,279 --> 00:29:08,480
I can't you know, like you
said, I can't catch my breath.

477
00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:12,759
Whatever's wrong. And then he's there
on knee and Thomas Taylor sees,

478
00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:15,920
okay, he's not up off the
knee. I'm gonna get down right in

479
00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:18,079
front of him, so he knows
what the count is while the while the

480
00:29:18,119 --> 00:29:22,200
crowd's going crazy. That's exactly what
he should do. And when he gets

481
00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:23,920
to the count of seven and says
seven, Ryan looks right at him and

482
00:29:25,039 --> 00:29:27,880
nods, and I took that nod
in the moment. I'm gonna get up.

483
00:29:29,319 --> 00:29:32,160
And then he counts eight. And
then he counts nine and I'm like,

484
00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:34,480
he's getting up. No, he's
not getting up. And then the

485
00:29:34,599 --> 00:29:38,160
count is ten, and this is
where people are going a bit crazy.

486
00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:41,680
The internet is what it is.
He stands up immediately and walks right to

487
00:29:41,759 --> 00:29:45,880
the corner where people are saying,
you could have done that at nine,

488
00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:48,480
you could have done that at nine, all right? Then I see you

489
00:29:48,559 --> 00:29:51,960
shaking your head, but go ahead. You just never know. I mean,

490
00:29:52,119 --> 00:29:56,240
I believe that he was not capable
of continuing because of that punch.

491
00:29:57,160 --> 00:30:00,400
I mean there are times where you
see guys in I feel like, you

492
00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:03,079
know what, they really didn't give
it their best effort, and they made

493
00:30:03,119 --> 00:30:04,720
a trying to find a way out. Trust me, Ryan Garcia was not

494
00:30:04,839 --> 00:30:07,559
looking for a way out of that
fight. I mean, you know,

495
00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:10,480
he was down on the scorecards fair
enough, and he had been dropped.

496
00:30:10,759 --> 00:30:12,160
But that was not a fight that
was out of hand. That was not

497
00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:15,319
a fight that was not competitive round
to round. Even if he wasn't getting

498
00:30:15,319 --> 00:30:19,559
the scores, he still has the
ability to possibly land one of his dynamic

499
00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:23,880
left hooks and do some damage.
So anybody that's suggesting that somehow he was

500
00:30:25,519 --> 00:30:27,640
looking for a way out or didn't
want to continue, or you know,

501
00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:32,680
was quitting, that is absolutely I'm
going to coin up a phrase from our

502
00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:36,359
friends in Britain. That's rubbish.
It is rubbish, okay, So take

503
00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:38,200
me. So, now we saw
the in ring interviews and then we I

504
00:30:38,279 --> 00:30:41,319
even saw a little bit of the
postfight, and you were there for the

505
00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:44,480
post fight interviews at Longer. All
right. So the first thing is Davis

506
00:30:44,559 --> 00:30:48,720
says to Jim Gray and on the
PA, I was surprised he didn't get

507
00:30:48,839 --> 00:30:52,079
up from that shot. Okay,
that's fair enough. Ryan Garcia then says,

508
00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:55,720
I'm not going to make excuses.
I could not get up. I

509
00:30:55,799 --> 00:30:57,640
couldn't get up, and I'm not
going to make excuses. All right now,

510
00:30:57,839 --> 00:31:02,920
postfight press Contrice, they take the
ring down, this is they empty

511
00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:04,359
out the arena. This is for
the media only. And they showed a

512
00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:07,519
little bit of that on Showtime's YouTube
channel, and I've seen some of the

513
00:31:07,559 --> 00:31:12,920
clips. Garcia again repeated, I'm
not gonna make excuses. I was hurt

514
00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:17,880
and I could not get up.
So there it is, Ryan Garcia.

515
00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:21,039
I mean again, I've covered a
thousands of these kind of fights, okay,

516
00:31:21,319 --> 00:31:23,039
and I can't till many times you
see a guy that's lost the fight,

517
00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:26,359
they have an alibi, they make
an excuse. I mean, you

518
00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:29,440
feel bad for them because they lost, but they're they're looking for reasons they're

519
00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:30,720
in there. You know, it's
hard to take a loss like that,

520
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:34,640
especially when you're a fighter like a
Ryan Garcia with an undefeated record and you're

521
00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:37,279
in a really, really big fight. But I have to give the kid

522
00:31:37,359 --> 00:31:41,039
credit. I mean, Ryan Garcia
is a stand up guy. He did

523
00:31:41,119 --> 00:31:45,480
not make a single excuse. He
didn't say anything about I actually asked him

524
00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:48,759
at the press conference, and some
people are criticizing I've seen on Twitter,

525
00:31:48,839 --> 00:31:52,480
but fuck them because it's a legitimate
question that somebody had to ask. I

526
00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:56,519
asked him, you know, were
you at all compromise by the weight loss

527
00:31:56,559 --> 00:31:59,240
because they made you come down to
one thirty six and even more so,

528
00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:01,359
they made you a rehydration. Why
why are they coming? That's the most

529
00:32:01,519 --> 00:32:06,440
legitimate thing to ask after the fight. Why are the count give me a

530
00:32:06,559 --> 00:32:08,799
break? Please? Let me tell
you. You come with the king,

531
00:32:08,839 --> 00:32:12,799
you better well, Land, I
agree with you because you're gonna swat me

532
00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:15,160
on you swat me on a regular
basis. But yes, I mean that's

533
00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:17,920
a valid point. But so kay, Ryan Garcia did not you know he

534
00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:22,200
basically I don't remember exactly what he
said in the answer. He's like,

535
00:32:22,319 --> 00:32:24,880
you know, being honest, Yeah, you know it. It didn't help,

536
00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:28,880
and that it was I was,
you know, I was not maybe

537
00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:30,640
at my desk, but I'm not
making his uses as I signed a contract

538
00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:35,920
and we fought the fight. So
a lot of guys and I asked it

539
00:32:36,039 --> 00:32:37,960
for this reason. I want to
see, what is your character? What

540
00:32:38,279 --> 00:32:42,400
is your character in this moment,
and I have said this from the beginning

541
00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:45,480
of my boxing writing career. Actually, the first time I really kind of

542
00:32:45,519 --> 00:32:49,079
thought about this early on, and
I'm gonna stay side track for a quick

543
00:32:49,119 --> 00:32:52,799
second, was when Prince Nasimham had
lost to Marco Antonio Burr and I was

544
00:32:52,359 --> 00:32:54,640
I've seen more talk more shit than
anybody in the world. He had the

545
00:32:54,680 --> 00:33:01,119
biggest ego and he you know,
he was the always about himself in terms

546
00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:06,359
of his public persona, and he
thought he's going to be the source loser

547
00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:07,880
of all time and make all the
excuses in the world when Brera beat his

548
00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:12,720
ass. And I've always to this
day remember going to that post side press

549
00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:16,079
guards and my respect for Ahmed who
which was always high, rising to another

550
00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:21,039
level because he did not make any
excuses. Remember he lost his undefeated record

551
00:33:21,119 --> 00:33:24,000
that night and it was this month
that year, Like, yeah, he

552
00:33:24,079 --> 00:33:28,799
talked about it a couple of weeks
ago and he was nothing, but he

553
00:33:29,039 --> 00:33:31,319
was nothing but class after the fighting, gave credit to Barrera and didn't make

554
00:33:31,359 --> 00:33:35,480
excuses. You said that lost the
perfect record, lost the you know,

555
00:33:35,519 --> 00:33:38,680
the featherweight lineal championship, all that
anyway, But the point is I felt

556
00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:40,720
at that moment in my mind,
I said, you know what, it's

557
00:33:40,759 --> 00:33:45,640
more interesting to learn the character of
a fighter when they lose than it is

558
00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:49,079
to see what the fighters like when
they win. And so that's always sort

559
00:33:49,079 --> 00:33:51,640
of stuck with me. And I
found myself over all these years, when

560
00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:54,160
the fight's over and it's a knockout, I find myself, my eyes and

561
00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:59,119
my interest going towards the loser,
sometimes more so than the winner. So

562
00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:02,960
when they came, Ryan asked that
question specifically, are you going to make

563
00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:07,559
an excuse or are you gonna say
what? And Ryan answered it the way

564
00:34:07,599 --> 00:34:09,599
I would have not that I cared
how he answered. I was just entered

565
00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:13,719
what the answer would be. But
I'm glad that he answered it the way

566
00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:15,519
he did because he showed that he's
a stand up guy. He didn't make

567
00:34:15,599 --> 00:34:21,719
excuses. He gave Tank David's credit
for landing a great punch. He said,

568
00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:23,239
you know, he appreciated being in
the ring with another great fighter,

569
00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:28,320
and I like to hear that.
I. You know, we all get

570
00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:30,920
all over guys when they when they
make excuses. The guy didn't make any

571
00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:34,719
excuse, and people still getting all
over him about stuff. Lane pick a

572
00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:38,639
Lane That's what we like to say. Sometimes you just sometimes you can't win.

573
00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:44,920
And Ryan Garcia, I'm gonna say
this deserves the respect from every single

574
00:34:45,039 --> 00:34:47,719
boxing fan because, as I wrote
in the pre fight and many talked about

575
00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:52,280
and wrote about also, Ryan Garcia, will this fight to happen. We

576
00:34:52,519 --> 00:34:57,480
wanted as fans to see the best
guys against the best guys. We wanted

577
00:34:57,480 --> 00:35:00,119
this megafight. We wanted to see
two guys in there, best undefeated,

578
00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:05,400
who are exciting, who have big
fan bases, come together when so many

579
00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:08,760
other fighters just refused to take those
gambles make it impossible to make a deal

580
00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:13,400
Terre Scrafford, Arrow Spence, and
you can't get it done. And these

581
00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:15,920
guys took the gamble, took the
risk. Now, thank Davis was part

582
00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:17,400
of it too, he had to
go along with it and he's half the

583
00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:21,599
equation. But I'm telling you,
without the Ryan Garcia pushing, pushing,

584
00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:24,639
pushing, pushing for the last year
and a half, this fight would not

585
00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:29,119
have happened. He ate a lot
of shit making this fight. He took

586
00:35:29,159 --> 00:35:31,000
the short end of the money and
b side billing. He took the weight

587
00:35:31,079 --> 00:35:37,079
restriction in terms of the catchweight and
the rehydration class. His team took the

588
00:35:37,239 --> 00:35:39,840
fight from their platform to zone to
go to showtime to make the fight.

589
00:35:40,039 --> 00:35:44,360
He even argued with his own people
at Golden Boy because he wasn't going to

590
00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:47,159
take no for answer, and I'm
gonna be pissed off if people dump out

591
00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:52,880
over him the fight. He made
the fucking fight happen, and he gave

592
00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:55,559
us what he gave us, and
he got nailed with a beautiful body shot.

593
00:35:55,679 --> 00:36:00,800
Tank Davis deserves all the credit for
taking him out like that, but

594
00:36:00,159 --> 00:36:05,800
you cannot have it both ways.
Demand showed character in defeat and I appreciate

595
00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:08,039
that. All right, good enough
on that, so I ask one more

596
00:36:08,119 --> 00:36:10,000
follow up. We'll get to the
rest of this card. Then we're getting

597
00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:16,239
into Cordina and his win over rock
him off for the IBF Super Featherweight title,

598
00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:20,000
which was a tremendous fight again in
Cardiff, Wales earlier in the day.

599
00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:22,400
We always kind of wrap these with
what's next, all right, So

600
00:36:22,559 --> 00:36:29,840
let's talk about Davis. Do you
believe he I mean, realistically, at

601
00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:32,400
one thirty five, we have Devin
Haney, we have Lomachenko, we have

602
00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:36,639
Shakour Stevenson who they're grooming and what
do they all have in common? Their

603
00:36:36,719 --> 00:36:38,880
top rank, And I don't think
Davis is going to get a shot at

604
00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:44,039
any of that unless belts get split
up somehow, some way. That's me

605
00:36:44,239 --> 00:36:45,440
saying that, what do you what
do you think is next? Either at

606
00:36:45,519 --> 00:36:50,079
lightweight or at one forty for Tank
Davis? Off this win. Now we

607
00:36:50,199 --> 00:36:53,519
know what's immediately next. He's going
before a judge in Baltimore. But in

608
00:36:53,719 --> 00:36:59,400
the ring, after whatever happens with
jail time or whatever, what is next

609
00:36:59,519 --> 00:37:04,480
in the theorized for me, mighty
one go, I'm going to characterize it

610
00:37:04,559 --> 00:37:08,320
completely different than you because I think
agree with your characterization. It's not that

611
00:37:08,559 --> 00:37:12,880
he won't get a shot at those
guys, it's that those guys won't get

612
00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:15,320
a shot at him. Now,
Yes, Devin Hany's the undisputed champion and

613
00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:20,079
a fine champion at that, and
if Loma Chenko wins their fight coming up

614
00:37:20,119 --> 00:37:22,119
next month, he will be the
undisputed champion and he is a great fighter

615
00:37:22,159 --> 00:37:24,880
and a future Hall of Famer.
And sha course, Stevenson obviously is on

616
00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:29,360
the rise and probably will be a
pound for pound king someday, and as

617
00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:34,719
a tremendous boxer and just a terrific
fighter all around, but those three guys

618
00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:37,320
don't have what Tank Davis has.
Now, those guys may you know,

619
00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:42,320
Da Loma has been a unified champion
and one belt in multiple weight classes.

620
00:37:42,559 --> 00:37:45,719
Shakor has one titles and two weight
classes. He's probably at some point in

621
00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:50,199
the future eventually going to have a
lightweight title somehow. And obviously Devin now

622
00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:53,920
has all the belts as undisputed,
but they don't have them in the financial

623
00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:59,639
muscle, an economic muscle that Tank
Davis has taint. Davis has had some

624
00:37:59,719 --> 00:38:01,719
title, He's had secondary titles.
He won a legit title, had one

625
00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:06,840
hundred and thirty want to you know
a regular I guess a real title at

626
00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:08,920
one thirty five, but it was
sort of manufacturing in the way that they

627
00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:14,039
went about getting him that belt.
But Tank Davis is not really a guy

628
00:38:14,119 --> 00:38:16,079
that's ever talked or I'm not saying
he doesn't care about titles, but he

629
00:38:16,159 --> 00:38:20,519
wants to make that money and put
on those big events. And if Loma,

630
00:38:20,599 --> 00:38:22,280
Chenko and Hany and should court in
any other of the top lightweights want

631
00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:27,280
to do that, he's the rainmaker. Now, now I'm not saying I

632
00:38:27,360 --> 00:38:31,000
don't necessarily subscribe to the talking point
before the fight between him and Ryan Garcia

633
00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:35,719
that the winner was now somehow going
to become the face of boxing, because

634
00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:39,079
the two guys were already among the
biggest stars beforehand. Tanks obviously now become

635
00:38:39,119 --> 00:38:42,880
bigger. But I would say to
you that even in the loss, Ryan

636
00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:45,559
Garcia gained in stature because he's gonna
still have a lot of people that are

637
00:38:45,559 --> 00:38:49,599
gonna want watch him. It's a
fascinating thing to see how he comes back

638
00:38:49,639 --> 00:38:52,760
and all that. But Tank Davis
is now, you know, from below

639
00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:57,880
heavyweight, there's always somebody that's the
rainmaker below heavyweight, whether it was Sugary

640
00:38:57,920 --> 00:38:59,719
Leonard or was you know, many
packing on Floyd, they with her,

641
00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:02,159
you know the who headed Monster or
Oscar dal Joy or Knello Alvarez, whoever

642
00:39:02,199 --> 00:39:06,639
you want to pick. At this
moment in time, it is in fact

643
00:39:06,719 --> 00:39:09,079
now, I believe based on the
magnitude of the events and that kind of

644
00:39:09,119 --> 00:39:12,639
crowds he does, and the pay
per view and even though the pay per

645
00:39:12,679 --> 00:39:14,920
views previously we're in the two hundred
round, this one's going to be a

646
00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:19,440
monster of you know, our friends
at PPV dot com. One of the

647
00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:22,920
people that works with them said to
me last night, they already knew that

648
00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:25,480
it was the biggest PPV dot com
event they had ever done, period because

649
00:39:25,519 --> 00:39:30,480
they know they know their digital numbers
immediately. So that tells you this is

650
00:39:30,519 --> 00:39:34,239
going to be a big monster relative
to today's pay per view era. So

651
00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:37,400
I'm saying to you that having titles
and having all of that stuff, and

652
00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:40,119
I appreciate the championships in history of
the sport, but the rainmaker, the

653
00:39:40,199 --> 00:39:45,199
guy that the one hundred thirty one
hundred forty is going to revolve around for

654
00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:50,320
the next few years unless he's incarcerated, is going to be Jervonte Davis.

655
00:39:50,360 --> 00:39:53,519
And so if the fight gets big
enough, like we've seen in boxing,

656
00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:58,280
I think something we would see at
Tank Davis fight against Ash. Of course,

657
00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:00,639
Stevens the type of guy you know. Ryan See was saying, you

658
00:40:00,639 --> 00:40:02,559
know, hopefully he can coin a
couple of fights and get a rematch either

659
00:40:02,599 --> 00:40:07,679
at one forty said maybe even at
one forty seven. So you know a

660
00:40:07,719 --> 00:40:08,840
lot of guys are gonna be calling
Tank Davis out. He's gonna bring the

661
00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:13,079
money, but he also brings the
pain, and he also brings the really

662
00:40:13,119 --> 00:40:15,360
good chance of losing your losing your
fight, all right, and we'll see

663
00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:20,960
again. May the fifth is when
uh Senko demile. As a matter of

664
00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:23,239
fact, is when he will be
sentenced. And what is that sentence in

665
00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:27,559
Baltimore for the felony hit and run. That's a couple of weeks away.

666
00:40:27,719 --> 00:40:32,320
That's the next domino here, and
realistically that is probably the rest of this

667
00:40:32,599 --> 00:40:36,760
year. If he sentenced to jail
time, let's see though that's not it's

668
00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:40,280
not completely certain, but we believe
that there is. All right, yeah,

669
00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:44,599
but make one more prediction. By
the way, if he if he's

670
00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:46,400
not in jail and he's able to
fight again at the end of the year

671
00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:50,760
or even in the early part of
the next year. People were asking me

672
00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:52,000
that, So it's sort of been
in my mind. Who would he actually

673
00:40:52,079 --> 00:40:57,599
fight. I actually think there's a
very good chance for different reasons. I'm

674
00:40:57,639 --> 00:40:59,880
not saying it's one hundred percent,
obviously, but I think there's a really

675
00:41:00,079 --> 00:41:04,440
reasonable chance that in next fight we
might see him rematch with Isaac Pitt,

676
00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:12,840
Bull Cruz makeable fight. Yeah,
as far as Ryan Garcia goes, he

677
00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:15,480
said a hundred you know, he
said it a couple of times afterwards,

678
00:41:15,519 --> 00:41:17,400
he's gonna go to one forty,
and at one forty there's a rich weight

679
00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:20,760
class with a lot of good talented
guys and a lot of decent you know,

680
00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:22,800
a lot of good names, and
even if they're not with Golden Boy,

681
00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:27,000
that's fine. Ryan Garcia is similar
to Tank. He's gonna still be

682
00:41:27,079 --> 00:41:30,719
a rainmaker. Maybe not at the
level of Tank Davis in terms of those

683
00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:32,480
huge, huge, huge fights,
but trust me, Ryan Garcia's gonna help

684
00:41:32,519 --> 00:41:36,480
his opponent and make the most money
they've ever made. And one forties a

685
00:41:36,599 --> 00:41:39,239
rich division, and you know it's
not impossible. Golden Boy, which promotes

686
00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:44,639
Ryan and Top Rank, which has
several fighters in that weight class, including

687
00:41:44,760 --> 00:41:47,840
Josh Kaylor the champion, and Tiethimo
Lopez who's going to challenge him, Devin

688
00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:51,960
Haney if he decides to go up
after one Wi Chango, whatever happens there,

689
00:41:52,199 --> 00:41:55,079
and others. You know, they've
done plenty of business in recent times,

690
00:41:55,119 --> 00:41:58,199
and I don't think that's a huge
deal. They have Jose Ramirez,

691
00:41:58,239 --> 00:42:00,800
there's a former champion in that weight
class, did a lot of a lot

692
00:42:00,840 --> 00:42:05,679
of good talented fighters at wont would
it surprised you? Would it surprise you

693
00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:12,000
that Garcia would immediately get a title
fight at one forty with somebody without fighting

694
00:42:12,119 --> 00:42:15,800
somebody else and beating them first in
a non title fight. Would it surprise

695
00:42:15,880 --> 00:42:19,679
you if this fall he's right back
in there in a title fight, maybe

696
00:42:19,719 --> 00:42:22,239
at one forty. The name I
keep thinking is Regis Program, who keeps

697
00:42:22,280 --> 00:42:27,320
saying I'm a promotional free agent.
He's got an WBC belt. But would

698
00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:30,039
it surprise you back to the Garcia
point that he doesn't fight somebody else first

699
00:42:30,079 --> 00:42:34,039
to get a confidence building win and
then fight for a title. What is

700
00:42:34,039 --> 00:42:37,920
your thought on that hypothetical. Ryan
hasn't yet to fight for a major world

701
00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:40,800
title in his career yet anyway,
So and I quiz him about the the

702
00:42:42,039 --> 00:42:45,960
the how important it was to in
on our podcast that we did that I

703
00:42:46,079 --> 00:42:50,719
did with back in the build up
to this fight, you know, And

704
00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:52,239
he's like, yeah, that is
something that he would like to do,

705
00:42:52,320 --> 00:42:54,519
but it was it's not been the
most important thing. It's about who he's

706
00:42:54,519 --> 00:42:58,039
fighting for that title. So for
example, it was Regis Program, who

707
00:42:58,039 --> 00:43:00,639
I think most people would view as
at work the second in the division.

708
00:43:01,079 --> 00:43:05,360
You know, Taylor maybe number one, he's lineal. He defeated Regis,

709
00:43:05,639 --> 00:43:07,679
although he you know, he hasn't
fought for a while. He had a

710
00:43:07,880 --> 00:43:09,800
you know, pretty poor performance at
his last fight. The point I'm saying

711
00:43:09,840 --> 00:43:13,719
here's this. You're right, Regis
Probe is a promotional free agent. That

712
00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:15,960
is one hundred percent true, and
him and him and Ryan Garcia would be

713
00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:19,920
a hell of a fight. But
I don't see that necessarily being the next

714
00:43:19,960 --> 00:43:22,320
fight, but I think that would
be a possibility. I mean, that's

715
00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:28,719
a great let me tell you something. That's a dynamite fight. They got

716
00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:31,480
good personalities, they're very marketable,
they have, uh, you know,

717
00:43:31,639 --> 00:43:35,239
a good style to go together.
But I mean, look, Ryan was

718
00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:36,880
like, I want to get back
in the ring, give me like a

719
00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:39,239
few months. He's gonna be on
a suspension anyway for taking the knockout,

720
00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:42,320
you know, for however long.
That's probably sixty days before he can have

721
00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:45,239
contact anyway. You know, he
just made a ton of money on Saturday

722
00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:47,840
night. He doesn't have to get
back in the ring or right away.

723
00:43:47,880 --> 00:43:52,320
But yeah, well I'm very confident
that we'll probably see Ryan Garcia back in

724
00:43:52,360 --> 00:43:53,960
the fall, and hopefully they can
come up with a with a good name.

725
00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:57,960
He'll makers his true day. He's
want to be his debut. One

726
00:43:58,079 --> 00:44:00,960
hundred and four he's fought two fights
there, But go back to a good

727
00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:02,840
opponent and make a big show out
of it and uh, you know,

728
00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:06,159
and whatever happens, then move on
from there. And you know, to

729
00:44:06,199 --> 00:44:07,760
say you're automatical, you're gonna get
a title shot, it's hard to say

730
00:44:07,800 --> 00:44:12,320
that because you know, even in
a time when when there's non disputed champion,

731
00:44:12,360 --> 00:44:14,440
it's hard. But even when there's
not a non disputed champan, you

732
00:44:14,480 --> 00:44:17,480
gotta pick that guy you can deal
with. Regis WBA situation is going to

733
00:44:17,519 --> 00:44:22,239
be in flux because of the probable
stripping of Alberto Playo that is coming up

734
00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:25,960
due to his failed drug test.
Um. Who are the old champions in

735
00:44:25,960 --> 00:44:30,199
one hundred and forty pounds? I
mean it's uh, they're not They're not

736
00:44:30,360 --> 00:44:32,119
necessarily finds that you can make right
away. Who are I didn't remember off

737
00:44:32,119 --> 00:44:34,800
the top my head? With the
other champions? Are? You got program?

738
00:44:35,159 --> 00:44:39,039
And uh and Taylor and obviously is
fighting Taya Femo Lopez later this summer

739
00:44:39,079 --> 00:44:43,480
as well. Okay, so wayo
is WBA. That's probably probably gonna be

740
00:44:43,599 --> 00:44:47,199
vacant or something's gonna happen there.
Program's WBC. Taylor's WBO. Taylor's fighting

741
00:44:47,280 --> 00:44:52,639
Ta Femo in June. And who's
the an IBF champion who should not be

742
00:44:52,679 --> 00:44:54,960
forgotten, not because he's a tremendous
fighter. Also is Sabrill Matias with the

743
00:44:55,039 --> 00:44:59,320
big gut gut artist who doesn't have
a fight scheduled. He's a PBC fighter,

744
00:44:59,840 --> 00:45:01,199
h and he's I know he's They've
been looking around for fights for him.

745
00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:05,400
We'll see if he if he sticks
with PBC or not. But you

746
00:45:05,480 --> 00:45:07,159
know, I don't necessarily see Ryan
coming back and fighting for any of his

747
00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:10,159
belts in the next night. But
Ryan Garcia is not a guy that you

748
00:45:10,239 --> 00:45:14,840
know as a fan, you'd like
to see the best the champions. But

749
00:45:15,119 --> 00:45:17,480
he can fight significant fights and not
necessarily have a title associated with it,

750
00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:23,039
as he did on Saturday Night with
Tank Davis snow titles. Nobody cared good

751
00:45:23,159 --> 00:45:28,679
enough alright, immediately preceding that one, the co feature victory in just one

752
00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:32,000
round, you mocked me with good
reason on Friday that I'm never gonna learn,

753
00:45:32,079 --> 00:45:36,360
I said Morrell. I said the
under I said it could happen quickly,

754
00:45:36,440 --> 00:45:38,480
and it did. And I have
to defer to you that you see

755
00:45:38,519 --> 00:45:43,360
the well, fine, but you
see the opponents much more than I do.

756
00:45:43,519 --> 00:45:46,039
You made a strong case for why
foul Cow could last a while.

757
00:45:46,719 --> 00:45:51,159
It did not happen. Morrell overwhelmed
him. You were at ringside, go

758
00:45:51,639 --> 00:45:54,239
you saw it. You got the
under and I'll just say that sometimes even

759
00:45:54,280 --> 00:46:00,519
a blind squirrel gets I will say
this, that was a thundering right hand

760
00:46:00,639 --> 00:46:06,239
over TV, tell me about that
thundering right hand that ended it at ringside

761
00:46:06,280 --> 00:46:09,840
for Morrell with the knockout in the
first round. It was a tremendous performance.

762
00:46:09,960 --> 00:46:14,440
David Morrell's a really good fighter.
I mean he's He's a guy that

763
00:46:14,599 --> 00:46:17,000
came out of that massive amateur background
who was able to move very quickly as

764
00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:22,920
a professional. Maybe not at the
incredibly swift speed of like a Lomachenko,

765
00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:25,679
who was you know, fighting with
major fighters and world champions and winning belts,

766
00:46:25,719 --> 00:46:30,679
you know, and like what three
or four fights, But David Morrell

767
00:46:30,760 --> 00:46:32,039
is the real deal. Dabrell is
not a guy to play with. He

768
00:46:32,199 --> 00:46:37,760
is a real He is a real
deal. And as I as I mentioned

769
00:46:37,800 --> 00:46:39,159
I think in the preview, like
I got a chance to meet him in

770
00:46:39,159 --> 00:46:44,000
person this week, and I just
didn't realize how big he was for super

771
00:46:44,079 --> 00:46:45,960
middle he's a big dude, like
I don't know how he gets into one

772
00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:49,320
hundred and how that body gets into
a one hundred and sixty eight pounds.

773
00:46:50,280 --> 00:46:55,559
He's strong, he's powerful. He's
got a tremendous background from his amateur days

774
00:46:55,559 --> 00:46:59,920
in Cuba. He's got that soul
called the ring IQ. He's in great

775
00:47:00,039 --> 00:47:05,320
condition. He's got a really friendly, nice, chill, distant disposition about

776
00:47:05,400 --> 00:47:08,280
him, and he wants to fight
big fights. He wants that challenge himself.

777
00:47:08,320 --> 00:47:12,639
He's not. I get the impression
from talking to him briefly and hearing

778
00:47:12,679 --> 00:47:15,159
interviews with him and also talking to
his team, doesn't not looking to protect

779
00:47:15,199 --> 00:47:19,599
his undefeated record. Wants to make
the biggest fights possible. And uh,

780
00:47:19,719 --> 00:47:23,079
you know, if people were watching, they saw immediately after dispatched poor Yamagucci

781
00:47:23,159 --> 00:47:28,440
Falco so violently calling out David benavides
right away. That's a great fight.

782
00:47:28,480 --> 00:47:32,199
They're both with PBC right on that
point. How realistic is that? Would

783
00:47:32,440 --> 00:47:37,840
Navidez? Would Benavidez want that right
now? As opposed to sitting in his

784
00:47:37,960 --> 00:47:40,559
perch and saying, I want Canelo
give me some insight into that. Well,

785
00:47:40,599 --> 00:47:44,760
he's not. He's not, you
know, he getting Canello. Is

786
00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:46,679
that, I think probably what every
superman of weight would want because it's the

787
00:47:46,719 --> 00:47:50,039
biggest challenge, he's the champion,
it's the most money. I mean,

788
00:47:50,079 --> 00:47:52,760
it checks all those boxes. But
Cannelo Albarez, his year is pretty much

789
00:47:52,800 --> 00:47:58,800
spoken for. He's gonna fight John
Ryder in a few weeks and then his

790
00:47:58,880 --> 00:48:00,920
fight that's going to be in September. That's not definite, but there's a

791
00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:04,679
probably a very strong likelihood that it's
going to be a rematch against the major

792
00:48:04,719 --> 00:48:07,880
b ball and that means there wouldn't
be a fight against any of these other

793
00:48:07,920 --> 00:48:12,559
guys. Now, Morrell is a
Canelo mandatory as the WBA's a regular champion.

794
00:48:13,199 --> 00:48:16,800
David Benavides as the WBC's interim champion
is maybe not technically the mandatory because

795
00:48:16,800 --> 00:48:20,719
they have to call the mandatory just
because your interim doesn't mean you are the

796
00:48:20,760 --> 00:48:24,159
mandatory, but usually you become the
mandatory in that position. And he certainly

797
00:48:25,320 --> 00:48:29,800
the best of the other guy guys
in that in their rankings, let's say,

798
00:48:30,400 --> 00:48:32,079
and that's a fight that he would
want also. But if you can't

799
00:48:32,119 --> 00:48:36,519
get the Canelo fight, and you
in Tim Benavides this case, you already

800
00:48:36,639 --> 00:48:39,039
defeated Kayla Plant, probably the next
best known guy in your way class,

801
00:48:39,440 --> 00:48:43,159
and you got this guy out there
that's calling you out and it's a makeable

802
00:48:43,239 --> 00:48:46,119
fight, and you just put on
a big event on pay per view with

803
00:48:46,320 --> 00:48:50,239
Kayla Plant and you know, made
a good payday. And the thing about

804
00:48:50,239 --> 00:48:55,519
it is with David Morrell, his
economic requirements to make the match are not

805
00:48:55,719 --> 00:48:59,920
going to be at the higher level
the way that Caleb Plants was who made

806
00:49:00,079 --> 00:49:05,559
million dollars against Kennelo Alvarez. So
if you're David Morrell, he's going to

807
00:49:05,599 --> 00:49:08,360
be respected for his position. Can
make his biggest pay day in the millions,

808
00:49:09,039 --> 00:49:15,159
but still fall far short of what
it was required to pay you know,

809
00:49:15,360 --> 00:49:19,519
other top opponents, like you know
when Cannello paid Plant, you know,

810
00:49:19,559 --> 00:49:21,760
the ten dollion or so. So
it's a makeuple fight, I believe

811
00:49:21,800 --> 00:49:24,920
economically, and I think both guys
would take it. David Benavides has said

812
00:49:25,000 --> 00:49:28,840
to everybody that will listen, I'm
not ducking anybody. I want to fight

813
00:49:28,880 --> 00:49:32,119
all the top guys. And for
him, if he fought Morrell, you

814
00:49:32,239 --> 00:49:36,280
know, he get another belt.
I mean, I don't know is a

815
00:49:36,360 --> 00:49:39,119
secondary WBA belt worth more than an
ib WBC interro Belt. I have no

816
00:49:39,199 --> 00:49:42,480
idea, but the point is no
one's gonna really care about the belts.

817
00:49:42,559 --> 00:49:45,119
That's a great fight, and I'm
gonna say it for the second time in

818
00:49:45,119 --> 00:49:47,400
about five minutes. Sign me up
for that one, Benavidez and Morrell,

819
00:49:47,519 --> 00:49:52,280
and if you win, either Morrell
or Benavidez, you are now the clear

820
00:49:52,440 --> 00:49:58,480
guy, the clear guy to be
in line with Cannello Alvarez. I believe

821
00:49:58,519 --> 00:50:00,320
at one sixty eight you could maybe
an argument for somebody else, but so

822
00:50:00,400 --> 00:50:04,159
I don't I don't know if it's
definitely the next fight because they you know,

823
00:50:04,360 --> 00:50:07,000
Bena vEDS just fought on pay per
view. That could be a fight

824
00:50:07,079 --> 00:50:10,159
that maybe showed time can afford to
do on a regular show time potentially,

825
00:50:10,559 --> 00:50:15,400
But you have to remember also they're
gonna have Demetris Andreid in the mix.

826
00:50:15,480 --> 00:50:20,360
Heres recent fight in January that took
place on the Tank Davis Hector Louise Scarcia

827
00:50:20,440 --> 00:50:22,079
undercard, that was like the so
called warm up fight, you know,

828
00:50:22,199 --> 00:50:27,800
welcome back to the sport after a
layoff and a shoulder injury and changing to

829
00:50:28,159 --> 00:50:30,840
your new team. He's going to
be in the mix to fight any of

830
00:50:30,840 --> 00:50:32,960
those guys. It wouldn't shock me
at all if we saw Andrei get you

831
00:50:34,039 --> 00:50:37,719
know, a fight Morrell or with
Benavides before the two of those guys fight

832
00:50:37,800 --> 00:50:42,000
each other. But there's definitely gonna
be anticipation for that fight David and Morrell.

833
00:50:42,400 --> 00:50:46,079
And this may sound like something that
won't people won't love this, And

834
00:50:46,239 --> 00:50:51,599
I don't advocate this often. Every
so often you gotta be realistic, I'm

835
00:50:51,599 --> 00:50:54,760
not. I think David Merrell would
be helped by having another one or two

836
00:50:55,199 --> 00:51:00,320
fights before he gets that fight.
Like it does need to sign a like

837
00:51:00,480 --> 00:51:02,079
marinate a little bit. To use
my name, Bob Aaron's phrase, not

838
00:51:02,199 --> 00:51:06,960
a lot. But you know,
Morrell needs a little bit more attention to

839
00:51:07,039 --> 00:51:07,719
get to be known a little bit
better, and they can make that a

840
00:51:07,840 --> 00:51:10,639
much bigger event. Um. I
mean, I wouldn't if they make it

841
00:51:10,760 --> 00:51:14,159
right away. I'm I'm not gonna
complain. I know who the guys are,

842
00:51:14,800 --> 00:51:17,960
but I understand that, you know, it does need mebe a little

843
00:51:19,039 --> 00:51:22,760
bit of cooking, if you will, not a lot. So I don't

844
00:51:22,840 --> 00:51:27,239
necessarily think that will be the next
fight, but I do think that within

845
00:51:27,599 --> 00:51:29,679
one or two fights, we're going
to see that kind of thing. And

846
00:51:29,719 --> 00:51:32,760
the think about Morrel also is,
uh, you know, he seems to

847
00:51:32,760 --> 00:51:37,400
be getting better, and you know
won't You're gonna let's get him when you

848
00:51:37,440 --> 00:51:40,039
can get him if you can't.
It's kind of like the philosophy I think

849
00:51:40,079 --> 00:51:44,039
that Floyd used when he fought Canello. Let me get him now when he's

850
00:51:44,039 --> 00:51:45,679
twenty two, when he's still kind
of green and went behind the ears,

851
00:51:46,360 --> 00:51:50,119
and not wait another two years when
he's going to be a real badass,

852
00:51:50,159 --> 00:51:52,880
even more than he already was.
So that that could be sort of one

853
00:51:52,880 --> 00:51:54,800
of the things in that equation.
But I'm gonna tell you something about David

854
00:51:54,800 --> 00:51:59,639
Morrell that I thought of when I
watched him, the way he just fucking

855
00:51:59,679 --> 00:52:04,039
destroy in Falco. They have different
styles. They're obviously not the same fighter.

856
00:52:04,159 --> 00:52:07,320
And and and David Zoe a big, big guy. The punching power

857
00:52:07,440 --> 00:52:13,599
reminded me of the super middleweight Roy
Jones. I mean, and that's the

858
00:52:13,679 --> 00:52:17,159
highest compliment I can get. You're
not saying he is Roy Jones. You're

859
00:52:17,199 --> 00:52:22,360
saying the punching power at one sixty
eight, and of course Calzagi had big

860
00:52:22,400 --> 00:52:24,239
punching power two. You can compare
those two. You're not saying he's one

861
00:52:24,280 --> 00:52:29,000
of those guys. I'm not saying
that David Morel is Roy Jones at all.

862
00:52:29,119 --> 00:52:32,119
What I'm saying is that super middleweights
with that kind of power. It

863
00:52:32,360 --> 00:52:36,760
just struck me. It's something that
jumped into my mind when I saw the

864
00:52:36,800 --> 00:52:39,079
way he took him out. You
know, Roy had devastating one punch power

865
00:52:39,119 --> 00:52:43,159
as a middleweight and as a super
middleweight and even as a light heavyweight.

866
00:52:43,840 --> 00:52:46,840
And Morrell just the way he just
destroyed him. I mean, and now

867
00:52:46,960 --> 00:52:50,599
I know it's Yamaguchi Falco. I'm
not making it out like he was fighting,

868
00:52:50,639 --> 00:52:52,119
you know, a Hall of Famer
or anything like that, but it's

869
00:52:52,119 --> 00:52:55,039
still impressive. That guy was a
bronze medal winner in the Olympic Games.

870
00:52:55,079 --> 00:52:58,840
The guy won like eight fights in
a row. He'd been very active.

871
00:52:59,239 --> 00:53:00,440
You know, he wasn't an old
man. He was thirty four, which

872
00:53:00,480 --> 00:53:02,480
you know, it's not like a
young spring chicken. But it's not like

873
00:53:02,519 --> 00:53:06,840
he's forty two or forty three.
He didn't have a ton of wear and

874
00:53:06,880 --> 00:53:09,519
tear on him as a professional.
So I and I thought going in,

875
00:53:09,599 --> 00:53:13,760
I'm not gonna dinna runaway from my
comment, I said, and I stand

876
00:53:13,840 --> 00:53:16,719
by it. That that Yamaguchi Faco
was a better opponent on short notice than

877
00:53:16,760 --> 00:53:20,360
the original opponent of Senna Egbecco,
and I will stick by that. So,

878
00:53:20,960 --> 00:53:22,880
uh, Count Me is impressed.
I mean, I think David Morrell,

879
00:53:23,360 --> 00:53:28,000
with that smile of his, that
he can communicate with everybody in English

880
00:53:28,079 --> 00:53:30,599
or in Spanish, with the team
that he has around him, he's got

881
00:53:30,639 --> 00:53:34,039
a chance to be, you know, in some major fights for a while.

882
00:53:34,159 --> 00:53:38,599
He's he's a breath of freshman in
this sport and for one of those

883
00:53:38,679 --> 00:53:43,159
big fights with him, all right, and quickly, anything else before we

884
00:53:43,280 --> 00:53:45,840
leave Las Vegas. Wasn't that a
movie? Leaving Las Vegas? Before we

885
00:53:45,920 --> 00:53:47,679
leave Las Vegas? Before you leave
Las Vegas, and we want to talk

886
00:53:47,719 --> 00:53:51,960
about the match room to Zonne main
event in Wales. Anything else off the

887
00:53:52,079 --> 00:53:53,800
undercard, Well, I don't think
we need to spend a lot of time

888
00:53:53,840 --> 00:53:58,559
on it. But just the back
to bully fight, the rematch he had

889
00:53:58,599 --> 00:54:01,599
with Gabrielson out to revenge after getting
absolutely smoked in a massive knockout in a

890
00:54:01,679 --> 00:54:07,760
huge upset a couple of fights ago
by Rosotto and Rosalto. You know,

891
00:54:07,000 --> 00:54:09,960
that was a terrible fight. It
was, as I tweeted a terrible,

892
00:54:10,079 --> 00:54:15,280
terrible, terrible fight back. It'll
be you know, a gem for him

893
00:54:15,280 --> 00:54:16,599
because he got to win an avenge
the fight. He said before the fight,

894
00:54:16,800 --> 00:54:20,400
I'd rather fight a rematch with Rosotto
than have a world championship fight.

895
00:54:20,440 --> 00:54:22,800
That's how badly he wanted to get
the uh, you know, get the

896
00:54:22,880 --> 00:54:25,400
win back that that you know that
he lost in that fight against Rosalto and

897
00:54:25,599 --> 00:54:30,000
Rostto, Uh it is thirty seven
and suffered another loss. He's now lost

898
00:54:30,000 --> 00:54:32,159
I believe five out of the last
six. One win was that knockout against

899
00:54:32,519 --> 00:54:37,159
back And I was happy to hear
Rosalto's post fight comments that us he just

900
00:54:37,440 --> 00:54:39,719
had no ability to catch up to
him. He was a step behind,

901
00:54:40,039 --> 00:54:44,159
and while he didn't say I'm retired, he basically was like, it's time

902
00:54:44,199 --> 00:54:46,280
to stop and go teach the younger
group. And you know what, Gab

903
00:54:46,320 --> 00:54:50,000
will probably wind up training guys or
managing guys, and he'll do a fine

904
00:54:50,079 --> 00:54:52,000
job. And you know, and
uh, he's a smart boxing guy and

905
00:54:52,039 --> 00:54:54,320
he knows his stuff. And I
wish Gaber's out of the best. I

906
00:54:54,320 --> 00:54:57,199
mean, I know, I dumped
all over this fight for a good reason,

907
00:54:57,440 --> 00:55:00,400
and it turned out to be an
absolute perst shit fight. But I've

908
00:55:00,440 --> 00:55:02,400
always had respect for Gabe. He's
a warrior and if he is in fact

909
00:55:02,440 --> 00:55:04,840
done, good for him. He
was in some help, you know,

910
00:55:04,880 --> 00:55:07,639
some tremendous fight spot for world titles. You know, we had was one

911
00:55:07,639 --> 00:55:08,920
of the only guys that had the
balls to fight Triple G when it has

912
00:55:08,920 --> 00:55:12,960
absolute best in middleway and uh,
and gave a good go against him,

913
00:55:13,360 --> 00:55:15,679
and uh, you know what can
you say? So good luck to Gabe

914
00:55:15,719 --> 00:55:19,360
and you know, beck to Bullie. Hopefully you know he learned his lesson

915
00:55:19,440 --> 00:55:22,440
a getting them that not got lost
and we could seem a little more aggressive

916
00:55:22,480 --> 00:55:24,119
in his next fight. And in
terms of the other fight that was the

917
00:55:24,199 --> 00:55:28,840
opener of the pay per view,
Elijah Garcia. He looks so great against

918
00:55:28,840 --> 00:55:31,320
Alma karved Do with that win in
his most recent fight before this one on

919
00:55:31,440 --> 00:55:37,199
Showtime, this one against Kevin Salgado, a much tougher struggle but a good,

920
00:55:37,440 --> 00:55:40,079
a good, solid win for an
up and coming guy. I mean

921
00:55:40,119 --> 00:55:45,840
he's only nineteen years old Garcia.
So that was a solid victory against a

922
00:55:45,920 --> 00:55:51,000
good professional and it wasn't easy.
Started off slow. Salgado was there to

923
00:55:51,400 --> 00:55:52,880
bring it to him a little bit, and you know, it's definitely going

924
00:55:52,960 --> 00:55:54,880
to be the kind of fight that
he learns from and I look forward to

925
00:55:54,880 --> 00:55:59,639
seeing him again. All Right,
So now we move on to what was

926
00:55:59,719 --> 00:56:02,440
the best fight of the weekend,
I believe, at least on the biggest

927
00:56:02,440 --> 00:56:09,679
stages, and that is Joe Cordina's
narrow split decision victory over shov rock him

928
00:56:09,719 --> 00:56:15,199
Off for the IBF one hundred and
thirty pound title. I was texting you

929
00:56:15,480 --> 00:56:19,159
because you were making your way into
the arena and you were like, Hey,

930
00:56:19,239 --> 00:56:22,239
I'm trying to get set up,
tell me what's going on? What's

931
00:56:22,280 --> 00:56:24,639
and I'm like, great fight,
great fight, exclamation point, exclamation point,

932
00:56:27,280 --> 00:56:31,559
what a battle again? Cordina not
unlike Tank Davis early knockdown scores,

933
00:56:31,599 --> 00:56:35,920
the early second round knockdown and you're
wondering, is he gonna knock him out?

934
00:56:36,239 --> 00:56:38,519
To his credit, rock him off
out of the southpaw stance, remained

935
00:56:38,519 --> 00:56:44,119
aggressive, even fired back Dan Raphael
in that second round and in the third

936
00:56:44,159 --> 00:56:47,599
and fourth round coming right back at
Cordina. This has to be in the

937
00:56:47,679 --> 00:56:51,239
conversation. I'm not saying it is
the fight of the year, but for

938
00:56:51,280 --> 00:56:52,000
the first half of the year,
this has got to be in the top

939
00:56:52,079 --> 00:56:55,320
four or five fights of the first
half of the year. Brow hotly contested

940
00:56:55,360 --> 00:56:59,800
it was, and it turns out
that it's a split decision win by one

941
00:57:00,159 --> 00:57:05,440
point on the third and deciding card
that wins it for Cordina, who lost

942
00:57:05,519 --> 00:57:08,719
his title as we well documented with
a hand injury and hand surgery, gets

943
00:57:08,800 --> 00:57:12,480
the title right back by beating rock
them all. This was a great fight.

944
00:57:12,679 --> 00:57:15,400
Enough of me, Tell me more
about what you thought and what you

945
00:57:15,480 --> 00:57:19,639
saw of this one in Cardiff,
Wales. Well, I was getting I

946
00:57:19,800 --> 00:57:22,199
was getting set up in the arena
when that fight had started. So when

947
00:57:22,199 --> 00:57:25,320
I finally did get set up and
I was able to log on to my

948
00:57:25,480 --> 00:57:29,800
laptop and check out his zone,
you know, I picked it up.

949
00:57:29,800 --> 00:57:31,039
I want to say it about maybe
like the fifth round or so something like

950
00:57:31,119 --> 00:57:35,400
that, And I have to confess
I wasn't paying like like enough attention where

951
00:57:35,440 --> 00:57:37,119
I was scoring it on paper,
but I was watching it, just enjoying

952
00:57:37,199 --> 00:57:40,199
it. And actually I think at
that time there was a lull in the

953
00:57:40,679 --> 00:57:44,119
undercard in the arena, so it
wasn't like there was another fight in the

954
00:57:44,199 --> 00:57:46,800
ring that was distracting me necessarily for
at least part of it, and it

955
00:57:46,920 --> 00:57:49,679
was a hell of a fight,
as you said, I mean, I

956
00:57:49,920 --> 00:57:52,440
expected a tough, hard fight.
I've watched Cordina, I've watched rock him

957
00:57:52,480 --> 00:57:55,000
up a few times. I know
he's tough as nails, got a good

958
00:57:55,039 --> 00:57:58,920
chin, and they inflicted a lot
of damage on each other. And obviously

959
00:57:59,159 --> 00:58:01,559
Cordina came out looking much pressure,
you know, rock Themof's face was all

960
00:58:01,559 --> 00:58:05,559
bruised up and everything. But those
guys, they laid it off all out.

961
00:58:05,599 --> 00:58:08,480
They gave a great performance, a
great show, very close fight as

962
00:58:08,519 --> 00:58:12,400
you mentioned. But I you know, again, I didn't score the fight

963
00:58:12,480 --> 00:58:15,920
on paper. For when I saw
it, felt like Cordina was the winner,

964
00:58:15,079 --> 00:58:17,920
you know, in a close manner, and that's exactly what happened.

965
00:58:17,960 --> 00:58:21,960
And then when you put on top
of the fact that he's fighting at home,

966
00:58:22,719 --> 00:58:24,840
you know that there's a reason why
they called home field advantage in baseball,

967
00:58:24,880 --> 00:58:28,400
football, basketball, It's that case
in boxing too. You got those

968
00:58:28,400 --> 00:58:30,800
fans, they know the judges are
humans. But I felt like it was

969
00:58:30,920 --> 00:58:35,480
a hell of a fight, and
and he should never have been stripped in

970
00:58:35,480 --> 00:58:37,920
the first place. So what's sort
of like we're back where we started.

971
00:58:37,960 --> 00:58:39,480
In a way, he's the champions
though in the IBF, and now he

972
00:58:39,559 --> 00:58:43,400
moves on to whatever he's gonna do
next. So a couple of big points

973
00:58:43,679 --> 00:58:46,840
is that Cordina was certainly landing the
harder right hands, but but rock him

974
00:58:46,840 --> 00:58:50,400
off in the middle of the fight. Seventh round, he suffered a cut,

975
00:58:50,480 --> 00:58:52,400
like you mentioned, his eyes starting
to swell. He's battling back,

976
00:58:52,480 --> 00:58:58,440
and he actually stunned Cordina a couple
of times in in the ninth round in

977
00:58:58,519 --> 00:59:01,960
particular, had him stunned. And
then here we come to the dramatic finish.

978
00:59:02,000 --> 00:59:05,239
And what do we keep talking about
all the time? You've talked about

979
00:59:05,239 --> 00:59:07,840
it for years. Go win the
eleventh round, Go win the twelfth round

980
00:59:08,119 --> 00:59:13,599
to make sure. And it was
big that he won the eleventh round in

981
00:59:13,760 --> 00:59:17,119
particular on all the cards, Cordina
with some big uppercuts. There's a great

982
00:59:17,159 --> 00:59:21,840
photo free plug by the way,
on Bigfight Weekend dot Com in the recap

983
00:59:21,920 --> 00:59:24,400
story of Cordina landing one of those
uppercuts, which I think was probably in

984
00:59:24,440 --> 00:59:28,800
that eleventh round. Then in the
twelfth round, one judge gave it to

985
00:59:28,880 --> 00:59:30,000
Cordina, but the other two gave
it to rock him off. And this

986
00:59:30,079 --> 00:59:37,280
would be big in the split decision
because it narrowed the English judge Dan Rayfield

987
00:59:37,320 --> 00:59:43,239
to a one point win. So
he had Cordina up by two points going

988
00:59:43,280 --> 00:59:45,519
to the final round, but he
gave Rock him off the final round.

989
00:59:45,679 --> 00:59:51,119
So that's interesting to make it a
one point one fourteen one thirteen win.

990
00:59:51,239 --> 00:59:55,960
And the knockdown is the difference on
that card not being a draw one fourteen

991
00:59:57,039 --> 01:00:00,360
one fourteen, then no one wins
on the English judge card. The American

992
01:00:00,519 --> 01:00:05,519
judge interestingly gave Rock them off eight
of the rounds. I don't agree with

993
01:00:05,599 --> 01:00:09,079
that on the scoring. The Polish
judge gave Rock them off only five rounds.

994
01:00:09,119 --> 01:00:14,840
Had it seven five or Cordina with
the knockdown. And then one more

995
01:00:15,000 --> 01:00:21,280
dramatic moment is whoever was conveying and
transcribing over to the bouts sheet for David

996
01:00:21,360 --> 01:00:25,400
Diamante to read as the as the
PA announcer and for all the media to

997
01:00:25,480 --> 01:00:30,440
see the bouts sheet, whoever was
transcribing that from the cards made a math

998
01:00:30,679 --> 01:00:32,079
error, Dan ray Field, and
so there was a delay in the ring

999
01:00:32,119 --> 01:00:36,320
and I kept I kept saying to
you, there's a delay, there's something

1000
01:00:36,400 --> 01:00:42,239
going on with the scoring. And
the math error was that person transcribing put

1001
01:00:42,480 --> 01:00:47,960
under Phil Edwards scorecard one sixteen one
thirteen instead of one fourteen one thirteen,

1002
01:00:49,239 --> 01:00:52,119
and the math didn't add up,
so they had to go back over every

1003
01:00:52,280 --> 01:00:55,679
round. Obviously, do the math. What's his card say? And it's

1004
01:00:55,800 --> 01:01:00,320
one fourteen one thirteen is what it
was about. Go ahead. It didn't

1005
01:01:00,400 --> 01:01:05,400
change the outcome. I have seen
I've seen fights where they announced a score

1006
01:01:05,719 --> 01:01:07,320
and they realized an error and it
actually changed as a result. I mean,

1007
01:01:07,360 --> 01:01:13,440
there's a very famous example when h
was a WBC lightweight title fight between

1008
01:01:13,800 --> 01:01:19,159
was the rematch between Stevie Johnston against
Jose Louis Castillo, and uh, it

1009
01:01:19,320 --> 01:01:22,519
was in Stevie Johnson's hometown of Denver. He thought he had regained the title.

1010
01:01:22,920 --> 01:01:27,079
It turned out that from memory is
correct, this is maybe I need

1011
01:01:28,840 --> 01:01:31,800
my memory is Castillo had taken the
title from Stevie Johnson in the first place

1012
01:01:31,920 --> 01:01:36,719
when they had a rematch in Denver, Stevie's hometown. I guess they announced

1013
01:01:36,800 --> 01:01:37,679
him as the winner of the fight
and they gave him the title back,

1014
01:01:38,039 --> 01:01:42,239
and then they realized after they went
over the scorecards, in fact it was

1015
01:01:42,280 --> 01:01:45,239
a draw and they give the title
back. So you said it would have

1016
01:01:45,280 --> 01:01:46,840
been drawn, nobody would have won. The reality is some boxing in a

1017
01:01:46,920 --> 01:01:50,039
draw, if you're the champion,
it's really like a win, even if

1018
01:01:50,039 --> 01:01:52,559
it's dig because you've keep the title. And that's what happened in rock them

1019
01:01:52,559 --> 01:01:54,559
off. If they had been there
that I got a more famous one.

1020
01:01:54,559 --> 01:01:58,199
I'm gonna make you smile our man, wink you right, one of my

1021
01:01:58,280 --> 01:02:01,320
all time favorite Where I'm coming.
I just jawged you. He fought in

1022
01:02:01,440 --> 01:02:06,159
the UK and it's Herbie Hide.
Do I get five on his points?

1023
01:02:06,400 --> 01:02:08,440
What's the name David Hide? No, David Hides the heavyweight. Who's the

1024
01:02:08,800 --> 01:02:14,599
who's the fighter? Anyway? They
are now stop step stop. Herbie Hides

1025
01:02:14,599 --> 01:02:17,519
a fucking heavyweight, number one,
a heavyweight. Well that's yeah. Winky

1026
01:02:17,639 --> 01:02:22,440
Wright had the controversial fight. I
believe you're thinking of a fight that was

1027
01:02:22,519 --> 01:02:27,719
in Namibia in Africa against Harry Simon. Harry Simon, Okay, that sounds

1028
01:02:27,800 --> 01:02:32,320
right. They announced Winky as the
winner. They celebrate, they do the

1029
01:02:32,440 --> 01:02:37,519
interviews, they're back in the locker
room celebrating because Dan Birmingham told me it's

1030
01:02:37,519 --> 01:02:39,679
the most heartbreaking thing I've ever been
through in my life. They come in

1031
01:02:39,800 --> 01:02:44,519
the room and tell him you didn't
win. One of the cards is wrong

1032
01:02:44,639 --> 01:02:49,639
and we got to take the belt
back from you. That literally happened on

1033
01:02:49,760 --> 01:02:52,639
a bad scorecard while we just digressed. Okay, so I didn't get the

1034
01:02:52,719 --> 01:02:54,760
name right off the top of I'm
not as good off the top of my

1035
01:02:54,840 --> 01:03:00,159
head as you without looking at in
the morning, and I'm coming up and

1036
01:03:00,239 --> 01:03:05,719
fucking that maybe a Harry and heard
behind. What the fuck is wrong with

1037
01:03:05,880 --> 01:03:07,760
me? I know yet, because
you are who you are. But again,

1038
01:03:08,000 --> 01:03:14,440
Cordina deserves a tremendous amount of credit
because rock him Off was hanging in

1039
01:03:14,559 --> 01:03:15,239
there. I mean, you want
to know how much this men, and

1040
01:03:15,280 --> 01:03:20,360
I texted this to you. Rock
him off in tears in his corner after

1041
01:03:20,440 --> 01:03:23,280
the decision. I mean I'm not
talking about a tear rolling down his cheek.

1042
01:03:23,599 --> 01:03:28,119
He is sobbing in the corner,
holding on to one of his cornerman

1043
01:03:28,199 --> 01:03:31,119
and beside Freddie roach on how how
badly he wanted to win this fight and

1044
01:03:31,199 --> 01:03:36,599
he lost by a one point split
decision to lose the title. All Right,

1045
01:03:36,679 --> 01:03:39,079
so here's the thoughts. Give me
your thoughts on I'm still stuck on

1046
01:03:39,119 --> 01:03:43,119
winky right against Harry Simon because that
fight. I just as we're talking,

1047
01:03:43,280 --> 01:03:45,000
right, I looked it up if
I was in nineteen ninety eight, that

1048
01:03:45,039 --> 01:03:47,480
fights twenty five years ago. And
I have to tell because I don't think

1049
01:03:47,519 --> 01:03:51,800
a lot of people even know you
mentioned Dan Birmingham. I know him,

1050
01:03:51,840 --> 01:03:54,159
you know him. I don't know
if a lot of our listeners because you

1051
01:03:54,239 --> 01:03:59,360
know, he's not the commonest name
in boxing these r Dan Birmingham as the

1052
01:03:59,400 --> 01:04:01,480
trainer for Winky Wright and one of
the one of the top trainers from a

1053
01:04:01,519 --> 01:04:05,719
long time trained uh you know other
fighters, Jeff Lacy, President Day c

1054
01:04:06,000 --> 01:04:10,559
Thurman, Yep, exactly. So
that's who Dan Birmingham is. And Dan

1055
01:04:10,719 --> 01:04:16,559
is uh personally speaking, he's one
of my favorite trainers. I've known that

1056
01:04:16,639 --> 01:04:20,920
story. But any but anyway,
it was back to Cordina. Uh.

1057
01:04:23,519 --> 01:04:27,800
It's a great win for him against
a good quality opponent. He should never

1058
01:04:27,880 --> 01:04:30,119
have lost the title in the first
place. Now we've got it back and

1059
01:04:30,519 --> 01:04:33,280
uh, you know the we'll see
what happens with him. I mean,

1060
01:04:33,360 --> 01:04:38,760
he's he's he's gonna he's a good
draw, he's an exciting guy. He's

1061
01:04:38,760 --> 01:04:42,480
got an undefeated record. He was
an Olympian with a great background he's now

1062
01:04:42,639 --> 01:04:45,639
gonna become or he is. I
believe that with this title and having overcome

1063
01:04:45,719 --> 01:04:50,280
that very tough fight as well as
the spectacular fight that he had previously against

1064
01:04:50,320 --> 01:04:54,000
odd would win the title in the
first place before the hand injury and that

1065
01:04:54,079 --> 01:04:57,760
got him stripped. He's now got
to be considered one of the stalwarts of

1066
01:04:58,559 --> 01:05:01,599
of the guys who are champions in
the matchroom boxing stable because he checks the

1067
01:05:01,639 --> 01:05:05,840
boxes, world title, undefeated and
a hometown crowd that will support him hand.

1068
01:05:06,159 --> 01:05:10,519
You know, from the point of
view of non people that live in

1069
01:05:11,000 --> 01:05:13,880
Wales, he's exciting to watch.
Who wouldn't want to watch Joe Cordina fight

1070
01:05:14,280 --> 01:05:16,440
And it was interesting in the post
fight interview that he said this, and

1071
01:05:16,480 --> 01:05:19,119
I don't know how much you got
to hear too, Eddie Hearn. I

1072
01:05:19,199 --> 01:05:23,599
got three questions for you, Eddie. The first one, have I earned

1073
01:05:23,679 --> 01:05:27,000
the stadium fight? He wants to
fight in the stadium where they have had

1074
01:05:27,079 --> 01:05:30,719
world heavyweight title fights, Kalzagi has
fought there. They were in the arena

1075
01:05:30,800 --> 01:05:33,760
that was electric in Cardiff and Eddie
said yes, And he said, and

1076
01:05:33,840 --> 01:05:38,719
now are you buying me my Rolex? I want my Rolex And so that

1077
01:05:38,920 --> 01:05:42,039
Eddie's going we didn't have that arrangement
for this fight. He goes, no

1078
01:05:42,280 --> 01:05:45,800
mate, gold gold facing rolex.
He had him on the spot, Dan

1079
01:05:45,079 --> 01:05:49,320
that he wanted a gold gold facing
rolex from Eddie Hearn after winning that,

1080
01:05:49,440 --> 01:05:53,679
so Cordinas stock definitely going up and
Eddie did agree ed. He said,

1081
01:05:53,679 --> 01:05:58,360
Okay, I'll get you the rolex
after this. I'm with you. I'm

1082
01:05:58,400 --> 01:06:00,599
with you, and game by the
way, third time on the podcast,

1083
01:06:00,639 --> 01:06:02,280
we'll say, sign me up for
Cordina, rock them off too if it's

1084
01:06:02,320 --> 01:06:05,119
a rematch. I don't know if
it's the next fight for these two guys,

1085
01:06:05,559 --> 01:06:11,400
but that was highly entertaining and dramatic
and at the end, for sure,

1086
01:06:11,480 --> 01:06:15,760
I'll tell you one thing. Nobody
knows one hundred percent, but I'd

1087
01:06:15,800 --> 01:06:17,079
say it's one hundred and one percent
that it won't be a rematch with rock

1088
01:06:17,159 --> 01:06:19,840
him up next, no chance or
doing the next right, right right.

1089
01:06:20,039 --> 01:06:23,920
For one reason, they don't,
They're not obligated to it, not take

1090
01:06:24,000 --> 01:06:27,880
money fight, relatively speaking, they
don't. I'm gonna go back to a

1091
01:06:27,920 --> 01:06:30,760
phrase I've often used at this moment, and then we don't need that man

1092
01:06:30,840 --> 01:06:33,119
in our life, Rocky, Rocky, We don't need this man in our

1093
01:06:33,159 --> 01:06:38,360
lives. Okay, you're almost You're
almost done. You're almost on the way

1094
01:06:38,400 --> 01:06:43,239
to the airport as Dan again is
doing this before departing again against say leaving

1095
01:06:43,320 --> 01:06:47,880
Las Vegas, after Garcia and Davis, after Tank Davis's knockout win. Um,

1096
01:06:48,239 --> 01:06:53,039
do we even want to go here
with the with the Don King Adrian

1097
01:06:53,119 --> 01:06:57,840
Broner pressor that neither one of them
show up to what's the name of the

1098
01:06:57,880 --> 01:07:00,679
opponent. It's Hutchinson, right,
that's the name of the hone it he

1099
01:07:00,880 --> 01:07:04,639
got me. He got off an
all time classic zing where he is a

1100
01:07:04,840 --> 01:07:08,480
lawyer? Did you know this before? I didn't know this. He's a

1101
01:07:08,559 --> 01:07:12,360
lawyer and he said I'll represent Adrian
Broner after this is all over with for

1102
01:07:12,440 --> 01:07:15,239
this whole mess, I'm like,
this is phenomenal from the guy he's supposed

1103
01:07:15,280 --> 01:07:18,559
to fight. King doesn't show up
and Broner doesn't show up to their own

1104
01:07:18,599 --> 01:07:24,480
press conference. What is give me
more real quick? I'm gonna say this

1105
01:07:24,519 --> 01:07:26,320
and then we're moving on. I
do not want to spend a lot of

1106
01:07:26,360 --> 01:07:28,599
time on this place. I obviously
it was in Las Vegas. I was

1107
01:07:28,679 --> 01:07:31,719
invited to the press conference. Uh, the PR person that was involved who

1108
01:07:31,719 --> 01:07:34,679
I've known for forever, Ed Keenan, who's a does a great job,

1109
01:07:34,960 --> 01:07:39,119
has been working this event for Don
and I said, Eddie a baby,

1110
01:07:39,280 --> 01:07:42,239
I love you. Man. I
ain't coming to the press conference because to

1111
01:07:42,360 --> 01:07:45,679
go to a press conference on a
Saturday morning of a major fight where you

1112
01:07:45,719 --> 01:07:47,960
know it's gonna be like a fifteen
hour day, and I'm not complaining,

1113
01:07:48,000 --> 01:07:50,159
but I'm just right, I'm gonna
give up my morning and I got all

1114
01:07:50,239 --> 01:07:54,719
things new to prepare for the fight, and you know all that, especially

1115
01:07:54,800 --> 01:07:57,320
when it wasn't even in the hotel
we're all staying, so you gotta slept

1116
01:07:57,360 --> 01:07:59,599
over to the other hotel, which
is a pain in the neck, and

1117
01:08:00,239 --> 01:08:01,960
then you're gonna sit through the long
press covers. And honestly, I don't

1118
01:08:01,960 --> 01:08:05,679
give a shit about Adrian Broner fighting
Bill Hutchinson. Who cares? Honestly,

1119
01:08:05,840 --> 01:08:09,920
I mean, I'm not I'm not
knocking him, but they can. Apparently

1120
01:08:10,119 --> 01:08:14,159
Adrian doesn't care that much because he
didn't show up. So here's the point.

1121
01:08:14,599 --> 01:08:17,560
So a couple of things about that. So I got another reminder of

1122
01:08:17,600 --> 01:08:20,479
press release that had a link to
it. You could click the stream if

1123
01:08:20,479 --> 01:08:23,119
you wanted to watch press cover,
so I figure, you know what,

1124
01:08:23,399 --> 01:08:25,600
I'll check it out for a couple
of minutes and see what's going on,

1125
01:08:25,800 --> 01:08:28,880
even though if I'm not going to
go over there. The stream wasn't working,

1126
01:08:29,279 --> 01:08:32,159
okay now, as I realized later
on, and it said, you

1127
01:08:32,239 --> 01:08:36,079
know, come to the press covers
Adrian Broner and Don King, you know,

1128
01:08:36,119 --> 01:08:41,359
breakfast to serve whatever. No thank
you, But Don didn't show up.

1129
01:08:41,720 --> 01:08:44,720
But they knew about it on Thursday
or Friday. I guess it wasn't

1130
01:08:44,720 --> 01:08:46,880
gonna show up. Apparently Don had
some kind of I don't know if it

1131
01:08:46,960 --> 01:08:50,560
was his back, some kind of
something that kept him from flying that the

1132
01:08:50,680 --> 01:08:54,239
doctor was like, don't fly,
So he wasn't gonna show up. I

1133
01:08:54,279 --> 01:08:57,079
don't know who was going to take
his place, because nobody can take Don's

1134
01:08:57,119 --> 01:09:00,439
King's place. But then Broner doesn't
trump. It's his own god m event.

1135
01:09:00,119 --> 01:09:02,399
So if he doesn't give a shit, why should I care? I

1136
01:09:02,479 --> 01:09:08,600
mean, Adrian Broner, I mean, listen, he's got so many issues.

1137
01:09:08,840 --> 01:09:11,800
I don't wish bad on the guy
at all. I wish him peace

1138
01:09:12,279 --> 01:09:15,319
and harmony in his life, but
you can't not show up for your own

1139
01:09:15,319 --> 01:09:20,439
Prescurrants and as as my pal Jake
Donovan from Boxing Scene tweeted, I thought

1140
01:09:20,479 --> 01:09:24,399
this was absolutely hilarious and if Jake
is listening, God bless you for this

1141
01:09:24,439 --> 01:09:28,760
tweet. He said something to the
effect of thoughts and prayers for those who

1142
01:09:28,800 --> 01:09:30,920
showed up for the don King Ajor
and Broner Prescarmants. They weren't They didn't

1143
01:09:30,920 --> 01:09:33,319
bother to show up, you know, for those who wasted their time,

1144
01:09:33,319 --> 01:09:36,199
and there were people that went to
cover it, you know, to take

1145
01:09:36,319 --> 01:09:40,960
video and to do things, and
you know, it's just another example of

1146
01:09:41,039 --> 01:09:45,720
how and again there's so many times
in this sport where boxing media is just

1147
01:09:45,840 --> 01:09:49,199
so utterly disrespected. We're big boys, but you know, if you're going

1148
01:09:49,279 --> 01:09:53,319
to be disrespectful to us, why
are we going to be respectful to you?

1149
01:09:54,520 --> 01:09:57,920
Amen. All right, let's move
on one final piece of nostalgia.

1150
01:09:58,000 --> 01:10:00,359
And we have talked about this before, and you even talk about it a

1151
01:10:00,399 --> 01:10:05,119
couple of weeks ago, about three
weeks ago when the Hahmed Berrera fight happened,

1152
01:10:05,960 --> 01:10:11,439
that they were also filming the Ocean's
eleven scenes for the robbery with the

1153
01:10:11,560 --> 01:10:15,600
Fictitious. At that time, Lennox
Lewis Klitchko fight, and then a couple

1154
01:10:15,640 --> 01:10:20,479
of weeks later, Lennox Lewis was
actually fighting against Hassim Rachman in South Africa.

1155
01:10:20,880 --> 01:10:25,960
All right, the twenty second anniversary
was Saturday, April twenty second of

1156
01:10:26,039 --> 01:10:30,439
two thousand and one. We have
talked about this on the press cont on

1157
01:10:30,520 --> 01:10:33,640
This Up podcast before, but we
might as well bring it up just briefly

1158
01:10:33,680 --> 01:10:36,439
for this audience. You were not
at that fight in the middle of the

1159
01:10:36,520 --> 01:10:42,720
night in South Africa. However,
you got friends of yours tickets to be

1160
01:10:42,840 --> 01:10:45,880
able to go and see it.
Just give me the quick version of how

1161
01:10:45,960 --> 01:10:47,880
that came about, because my god, they were part of a shocking heavyweight

1162
01:10:47,960 --> 01:10:54,199
one punch knockout upset of the of
the world champion, Lennox Lewis. So,

1163
01:10:54,920 --> 01:10:59,840
I have one of my closest friends
from why met in seventh grade and

1164
01:11:00,439 --> 01:11:04,319
we've been friends for all that time, And to say that she and her

1165
01:11:04,399 --> 01:11:10,359
husband are not sports fans is like
an understatement they don't. I joke with

1166
01:11:10,479 --> 01:11:13,720
her sometimes like I don't know if
you'd know the difference between a baseball and

1167
01:11:13,800 --> 01:11:18,159
a basketball not sports fans. Beautiful
people not sports fans, which is fine

1168
01:11:18,239 --> 01:11:24,960
to each their own So they were
working for a pharmaceutical company and they were

1169
01:11:25,039 --> 01:11:29,640
relocating to South Africa for a couple
of years to do some work in that

1170
01:11:29,840 --> 01:11:34,680
particular area of where that company was, and they moved to Johannesburg about three

1171
01:11:34,760 --> 01:11:40,000
weeks. I want to if my
memory served three weeks before the Rockman fight

1172
01:11:40,039 --> 01:11:45,399
against Lennox Lewis, and I had
been speaking to Steve Nelson, who was

1173
01:11:45,520 --> 01:11:48,680
the longtime co manager of Hassim Rockman, and this is I must have been

1174
01:11:48,720 --> 01:11:51,199
doing a story before the fight.
I was working at USA Today at the

1175
01:11:51,279 --> 01:11:55,319
time, and I remember Steve was
like saying, oh my god, you

1176
01:11:55,359 --> 01:11:59,199
know we're going to you know,
Rockman. I guess was already in South

1177
01:11:59,239 --> 01:12:00,920
Africa. He spent like a month
there, I think, training before the

1178
01:12:00,960 --> 01:12:04,600
fight, and they were talking about
how, you know, nobody's gonna be

1179
01:12:04,600 --> 01:12:10,479
there rooting for us where it's like
that that me my partners, Dan Hoffman,

1180
01:12:10,520 --> 01:12:14,640
our promoter who at the time was
Cedra Kushner Rockman and maybe like Rockman's

1181
01:12:14,680 --> 01:12:16,520
brother. They had nobody coming to
the fight, and He's like, you

1182
01:12:16,560 --> 01:12:19,119
know, the funny thing is we
ended up because of our contract. I

1183
01:12:19,159 --> 01:12:21,479
think they gave us like a dozen
tickets. We don't have anybody to give

1184
01:12:21,520 --> 01:12:24,800
them to. That's how nobody's gonna
be cheering for us. I go,

1185
01:12:25,000 --> 01:12:26,840
that's that's unfortunately, he goes.
It's funny, you know, I have

1186
01:12:26,880 --> 01:12:29,399
actually and I just mentioned this because
it was in the conversation. Say,

1187
01:12:29,439 --> 01:12:32,159
you know two of my two good
friends of mine, my friend from high

1188
01:12:32,159 --> 01:12:35,039
school and and her husband, they
literally just moved to South Africa, to

1189
01:12:35,159 --> 01:12:38,840
Johannesburg, you know, a few
weeks ago. And he was like,

1190
01:12:38,880 --> 01:12:40,840
well, dud, they wanted to
go to the fight. I was like,

1191
01:12:40,960 --> 01:12:43,920
seriously, I was like, well, let me, I'll ask.

1192
01:12:43,960 --> 01:12:46,119
Because he goes, he goes.
Believe me, we have no use for

1193
01:12:46,199 --> 01:12:48,520
these tickets. We can't do anything
with him. We have nobody coming to

1194
01:12:48,560 --> 01:12:53,840
support us, so they're just gonna
go unused. I'll said, I'll ask.

1195
01:12:53,920 --> 01:12:56,359
You know, I thought, you
know, they're they're they're adventurous,

1196
01:12:56,359 --> 01:12:59,479
maybe they'd be interested. Now the
fight was taking place in this casino on

1197
01:12:59,560 --> 01:13:01,319
the out it's a Johannesburg, which
is a place that's hosted plenty of boxing

1198
01:13:01,640 --> 01:13:06,920
events called what is it called in
Kempton, Kempton Emperor's Palace. I want

1199
01:13:06,960 --> 01:13:09,880
to say or is that what it? I forget if that was the one.

1200
01:13:10,199 --> 01:13:13,399
In anyway, it's a it's a
casino on the outskirts of Johannesburg.

1201
01:13:14,000 --> 01:13:16,399
In any event, I talked to
my friend and I was like, listen,

1202
01:13:16,520 --> 01:13:19,600
I know you guys aren't sports fans, but there's a big boxing match.

1203
01:13:19,680 --> 01:13:23,119
It's taking place at this casino near
where you guys are gonna be living,

1204
01:13:23,359 --> 01:13:26,600
probably like a half an hour from
where they were heavyweight championship. I

1205
01:13:26,640 --> 01:13:29,119
mean, are there any interesting going
to see a boxing match? And she

1206
01:13:29,199 --> 01:13:30,920
kind of thought for saying, it's
like, you know, that actually sounds

1207
01:13:30,960 --> 01:13:33,920
pretty cool, Okay, So I
said, you know, if it's if

1208
01:13:33,920 --> 01:13:36,840
it's no trouble, you know,
put them down. So they went and

1209
01:13:38,039 --> 01:13:42,000
and remember the fight took place at
normal American prime time ten thirty or so

1210
01:13:42,119 --> 01:13:45,560
at I in the United States,
but for the live HBO broadcast, which

1211
01:13:45,640 --> 01:13:47,279
was paying the bulk of the money
for the event, took place like five

1212
01:13:47,319 --> 01:13:50,319
in the morning. Rasberg I told
her, I said, listen, just

1213
01:13:50,439 --> 01:13:53,319
so you know, it's not like
you're gonna go to have dinner and then

1214
01:13:53,399 --> 01:13:55,800
go to the show. This is
you know, the fights at like five

1215
01:13:55,840 --> 01:13:58,720
am. She said that actually makes
it even more of like an adventure.

1216
01:13:58,760 --> 01:14:00,960
So you know, I've heard the
story like driving across the savannah of of

1217
01:14:01,079 --> 01:14:03,640
South Africa to get to the casino. But anyway, so they go to

1218
01:14:03,720 --> 01:14:10,000
the fight, and I always remember
this. I was watching in my part,

1219
01:14:10,039 --> 01:14:15,239
you know, in my townhouse in
northern Virginia, and she called me

1220
01:14:16,279 --> 01:14:20,239
from the arena. You could hear
the background noise, like the crowd,

1221
01:14:20,640 --> 01:14:26,840
Hey boy, we're having a great
time. Who's winning. I'm like,

1222
01:14:26,960 --> 01:14:29,399
well, I was just like in
between rounds, as you relate the story

1223
01:14:29,439 --> 01:14:31,680
before, it's in between rounds,
before the knockout. I said, well,

1224
01:14:31,720 --> 01:14:33,840
you can't. It's boxing. You
don't know who you can know if

1225
01:14:33,880 --> 01:14:36,399
you think you're watching, you can
say who you think is winning, but

1226
01:14:36,560 --> 01:14:40,279
you actually know who's winning. Until
two things happened. Either A they read

1227
01:14:40,319 --> 01:14:43,840
the scorecards after twelve rounds or b
you see somebody laying on the canvas,

1228
01:14:44,119 --> 01:14:46,560
you know, as sort of joking
and she's okay, So now two rounds

1229
01:14:46,640 --> 01:14:49,880
later or whatever. It was Rockman
full, you know, just Knox Lennox

1230
01:14:49,960 --> 01:14:53,640
lewis into one of the men and
he wins the heavyweight championship, one of

1231
01:14:53,640 --> 01:14:57,880
the biggest upsets in heavyweight history,
a humongous event for boxing, and it

1232
01:14:58,039 --> 01:15:00,840
was. It was at the time, thought it was gonna completely derailed the

1233
01:15:00,920 --> 01:15:02,760
notion of Lennox Lewis against Mike Tyson, which was the biggest fight in the

1234
01:15:02,800 --> 01:15:05,720
world at that moment. I remember
Rockman running around the rings screaming, no

1235
01:15:05,800 --> 01:15:11,640
more Lewis and Tyson, uh,
like crazy, and then he wins the

1236
01:15:11,680 --> 01:15:14,479
title. Now they were on their
way home. Now it's the middle of

1237
01:15:14,560 --> 01:15:16,800
night, but I was still away. She calls me again and tells me

1238
01:15:16,960 --> 01:15:19,600
like that was incredible, and I
was, you know, it was a

1239
01:15:19,680 --> 01:15:23,279
lot of fun. Thank you for
hooking it up. I said, do

1240
01:15:23,319 --> 01:15:27,039
you realize what you saw? I
had to explain like you just saw.

1241
01:15:27,760 --> 01:15:31,000
I mean they understood, um,
you know, uh intellectually we saw that

1242
01:15:31,239 --> 01:15:34,439
there's a new heavyweight champion. But
I had to sort of impress on them

1243
01:15:34,520 --> 01:15:38,800
like that was not just any old
like fight where a guy wins a belt

1244
01:15:38,880 --> 01:15:43,039
or whatever. This was like a
huge upset and had you not a belt.

1245
01:15:43,439 --> 01:15:47,840
The heavyweight championship changed hands in a
in a very dramatic manner, in

1246
01:15:47,920 --> 01:15:54,960
a highly unusual way, in an
very exotic location for uh that era of

1247
01:15:55,079 --> 01:15:58,079
boxing and uh, you know.
So, yeah, my friends went to

1248
01:15:58,119 --> 01:16:01,800
see the heavyweight championship, and as
everybody knows, I'm a big boxing collector

1249
01:16:01,880 --> 01:16:08,199
of memorabilia, my requirement for the
ticket and that requirement I was joking,

1250
01:16:08,239 --> 01:16:10,399
but I was like, kids,
you get me a program and maybe a

1251
01:16:10,479 --> 01:16:12,960
poster. And they got me hooked
up with my material and sent it off.

1252
01:16:13,000 --> 01:16:15,560
And so my Hassim Rockman, which
I tweeted the other day and have

1253
01:16:15,640 --> 01:16:17,479
it in my I don't know if
I put it in my newsletter, but

1254
01:16:17,560 --> 01:16:20,479
I tweeted a picture. You can
check my Twitter or my Instagram or whatever.

1255
01:16:21,319 --> 01:16:28,239
The program from South Africa from Rockman
Lewis one twenty two years ago on

1256
01:16:28,439 --> 01:16:32,239
Saturday. Amazing, amazing and a
great story with all of that that you've

1257
01:16:32,279 --> 01:16:39,000
relaid now a couple of different times
because of the story that you mentioned at

1258
01:16:39,039 --> 01:16:43,319
the top of this discussion about how
he was in Las Vegas doing the Oceans

1259
01:16:43,359 --> 01:16:47,479
eleven movie when I saw how uninterested
he was in fighting against Hassim Rockman,

1260
01:16:47,720 --> 01:16:51,800
as well as my good pal Emmanuel
Stewart and Lennox Lewis's trainer, they were

1261
01:16:51,880 --> 01:16:55,840
much more interested in being movie stars. And as I have said before,

1262
01:16:56,319 --> 01:16:58,840
you know, being on the set
of The Ocean's Love and Film for a

1263
01:16:58,920 --> 01:17:02,359
day because I was doing interviews with
the Clitch right right. So when I

1264
01:17:02,399 --> 01:17:05,399
see Lennox lewis like in the commissary
where they had it set up for all

1265
01:17:05,399 --> 01:17:09,880
the folks involved with the fight,
and he's like eating doritos and being a

1266
01:17:09,960 --> 01:17:13,039
movie star. And Rockman's been in
South Africa already for like three weeks,

1267
01:17:13,279 --> 01:17:16,800
you know, training in a cave
at six thousand feet altitude. I made

1268
01:17:17,039 --> 01:17:19,680
what I still consider to this day. I mean, we pick fights every

1269
01:17:19,720 --> 01:17:23,399
single week on the beat Us Show. We pick fights every single week,

1270
01:17:23,439 --> 01:17:25,840
even if we're not doing a bet
Us show. My greatest pick of my

1271
01:17:26,119 --> 01:17:30,399
entire time as a boxing reporter was
picking Rockman buy knockout in that fighting you

1272
01:17:30,560 --> 01:17:33,720
called it, Hey one more.
We did not rehearse this, And I

1273
01:17:33,840 --> 01:17:36,000
know you want to go because you're
fatigue and you want to get to the

1274
01:17:36,079 --> 01:17:42,680
airport. But if I'm going in
the chronology, Leon Spinks beats Muhammad Ali,

1275
01:17:42,880 --> 01:17:45,399
not a knockout, but he beats
him. That was out of nowhere.

1276
01:17:45,680 --> 01:17:48,039
I mean, Spinks had been an
Olympic champion, but that was out

1277
01:17:48,079 --> 01:17:51,359
of nowhere. It's for the heavyweight
title. We moved forward to the all

1278
01:17:51,479 --> 01:17:57,119
time upset, which is Buster Douglas
knocking out Mike Tyson. That's a knockout.

1279
01:17:57,640 --> 01:18:02,800
Then we moved forward to Andy Ruey
besides this one knocking out Anthony Joshua

1280
01:18:03,199 --> 01:18:09,600
along with Rockman knocking out Lewis.
Where does Dan Raypael rank. It's not

1281
01:18:09,720 --> 01:18:14,600
gonna beat Buster Douglas, but where
does Dan Raphael rank the Rockman knockout versus

1282
01:18:14,760 --> 01:18:19,600
Ruise over Joshua and Spinks beating Ali. What would you what would you say

1283
01:18:19,640 --> 01:18:25,640
to that? I was a kid
when the when the Ali Leon Spins thing

1284
01:18:25,720 --> 01:18:29,319
happened. I remember it because Leon
Spinks became an overnight sensation and just you

1285
01:18:29,399 --> 01:18:31,000
know, he was on the cover
of every magazine and every newspaper, at

1286
01:18:31,039 --> 01:18:34,800
every newscast, every TV program,
you know, on every talk show at

1287
01:18:35,079 --> 01:18:40,039
etc. But I don't have like
a good like memory of La. I

1288
01:18:40,159 --> 01:18:43,359
know it was an upset in my
obviously studying boxing history, knowing how big

1289
01:18:43,399 --> 01:18:46,359
of a deal that was. Um
Ali was older, they thought he was

1290
01:18:46,359 --> 01:18:49,760
gonna obviously get an easy one over
Leon, the gold medal winner, But

1291
01:18:50,439 --> 01:18:53,720
it wasn't a dramatic kind of fight. It wasn't a knockout, So I

1292
01:18:53,720 --> 01:18:59,399
don't know if I can say that
that would trump the other one and the

1293
01:18:59,560 --> 01:19:02,319
Ruise and Joshua fight which I was
at. Obviously, that was a huge

1294
01:19:02,439 --> 01:19:04,439
That was a huge upset. I
mean there was no doubt. I mean,

1295
01:19:04,520 --> 01:19:06,960
in fact, they fight that fight
in New York City, either thought

1296
01:19:08,000 --> 01:19:11,119
you were in London because the entire
Madison Square Garden was filled with British fans.

1297
01:19:11,600 --> 01:19:15,359
That was a huge upset. And
I have covered basically not everyone.

1298
01:19:15,399 --> 01:19:18,439
I might have missed two or three
over the years, but basically over the

1299
01:19:18,560 --> 01:19:25,239
last twenty three years, I've covered
every single main event that's taken place in

1300
01:19:25,319 --> 01:19:29,199
the Madison Square Garden main arena,
and I'm hard pressed to think of a

1301
01:19:29,279 --> 01:19:31,279
bigger upset that has taken place there. And I'm hard pressed to think of

1302
01:19:31,279 --> 01:19:38,239
a bigger upset that I've personally been
a ringside. But it's hard to to

1303
01:19:38,479 --> 01:19:41,920
not pick Lewis Rockman. Now.
I know it was an upset. I

1304
01:19:42,000 --> 01:19:44,479
didn't think it was gonna I thought
that was what was gonna happen. I

1305
01:19:44,560 --> 01:19:46,479
mean, I really did pick Rockman
to win the fight, But in the

1306
01:19:46,600 --> 01:19:50,079
larger picture, I have to say
that was a bigger upset because Lewis was

1307
01:19:50,159 --> 01:19:57,199
more highly regarded, I believe than
Joshua was when he lost. Andy Ruiz

1308
01:19:58,000 --> 01:20:01,520
was a former tie holder who even
if he wasn't considered a great fighter,

1309
01:20:01,600 --> 01:20:05,560
still had respect from a lot of
people. Rockman was considered at that time,

1310
01:20:06,000 --> 01:20:10,720
I think a journeyman ish, I
mean, an exciting guy, you

1311
01:20:10,760 --> 01:20:14,920
know he wants some less some,
but no, he was hand picked,

1312
01:20:15,319 --> 01:20:16,880
like from the beginning. I mean
Andy took that fight as a late replacement

1313
01:20:16,920 --> 01:20:19,520
where they really have a choice but
to find somebody to keep the show live.

1314
01:20:19,680 --> 01:20:25,600
But they purposely hand picked Rockman to
take that fight, believing it was

1315
01:20:25,640 --> 01:20:28,039
an easy smoke, you know,
just going to smoke them and then go

1316
01:20:28,119 --> 01:20:31,239
on to a Tyson fighter or whatever
else was out there. So I guess

1317
01:20:31,239 --> 01:20:34,279
if I have to make the list, taking Buster and Tyson as being number

1318
01:20:34,279 --> 01:20:36,840
one, put that of course number
one. I would say number two is

1319
01:20:36,920 --> 01:20:43,960
probably Rockman and Lewis because it was
just supposed to be so easy, It

1320
01:20:44,119 --> 01:20:48,439
was so unexpected. It was the
exoticness of doing it in Africa, doing

1321
01:20:48,520 --> 01:20:51,279
it and then you know, at
five o'clock in the morning lent itself to

1322
01:20:51,399 --> 01:20:56,600
like just a much more dramatic situation. So I'll take that as number two

1323
01:20:56,680 --> 01:21:00,840
behind Buster and U and Tyson.
That's why you are who you are.

1324
01:21:00,000 --> 01:21:03,680
Loved the nostalgia, and I think
I think I agree with you just from

1325
01:21:03,720 --> 01:21:06,800
the standpoint you mentioned it. Anthony
Joshua was not Lennox Lewis, and he

1326
01:21:06,880 --> 01:21:10,920
was not Mike Tyson, and my
god, don't even it's not Muhammad Ali.

1327
01:21:11,119 --> 01:21:14,079
And one more thing on the Ali
thing, And again I've on the

1328
01:21:14,159 --> 01:21:16,560
nostalgia and the history, gone back, looked and been around this on the

1329
01:21:16,680 --> 01:21:20,000
magnitude of that upset folks, I
know it's nineteen seventy eight. I know

1330
01:21:20,119 --> 01:21:24,159
it's forty five years ago, and
we did talk about it on the podcast

1331
01:21:24,399 --> 01:21:27,880
a few months ago. When the
forty fifth anniversary happened. Ali had only

1332
01:21:27,960 --> 01:21:31,640
lost one time to Joe Frazier before
he lost that night. He had won

1333
01:21:31,760 --> 01:21:36,479
like eighteen fights in a row.
Before Leon Spinks beating that night, This

1334
01:21:36,800 --> 01:21:43,279
was the biggest story in the country, in the country for those worlds,

1335
01:21:43,600 --> 01:21:46,039
not just sports story now right,
not just sports story. This was the

1336
01:21:46,239 --> 01:21:51,159
biggest story for a day or two
in the country that Ali had been beaten

1337
01:21:51,199 --> 01:21:55,279
by Leon Spinks. But again,
in my qualifier and Dan did a great

1338
01:21:55,359 --> 01:21:59,039
job. It was not a knockout. This was a one moment that you

1339
01:21:59,159 --> 01:22:04,680
remember forever type punch or knock out
that Rockman landed. Yeah, I'll just

1340
01:22:04,720 --> 01:22:09,439
say one other thing. The other
reason why I would rank Rockman's upset of

1341
01:22:09,479 --> 01:22:15,359
Lewis ahead of Joshua's lost to Andy
Ruise is because when Rockman beat Lennox,

1342
01:22:15,479 --> 01:22:19,119
it was for the title. Besides
belts, it was the lineal championship of

1343
01:22:19,199 --> 01:22:24,279
the world. And when Induris knocked
out Anthony, Joshua had taken anything away

1344
01:22:24,319 --> 01:22:26,880
from it. He won three belts, but it wasn't a lineal title.

1345
01:22:27,119 --> 01:22:29,399
It was you know, he won
the belts, but it wasn't like he

1346
01:22:29,560 --> 01:22:34,960
wasn't considered the champion. That was
still Tyson Fury. All right, beautiful,

1347
01:22:35,680 --> 01:22:41,439
great stuff here on the nostalgia great
stuff from Ringside with Jervonte Davis,

1348
01:22:41,640 --> 01:22:45,600
Ryan Garcia. Another Vegas weekend in
the books. You have my permission to

1349
01:22:45,640 --> 01:22:48,359
decompressed for a few minutes. Go
get through airport security, get your way

1350
01:22:48,439 --> 01:22:54,039
back to Northern Virginia and the FAM, and you and I will reconvene later

1351
01:22:54,159 --> 01:22:58,760
this week on All Things will read
you on your Fight Freach Unite, substack

1352
01:22:58,800 --> 01:23:00,560
will read you on Big Fight week
and dot com as well. Great job

1353
01:23:00,640 --> 01:23:03,520
for this weekend. Thank you Dan
Raypheel for all of us. Get some

1354
01:23:03,640 --> 01:23:06,119
rest as well. My friend was
a lot that we covered here on the

1355
01:23:06,159 --> 01:23:09,960
show. Alright, man, I
will talk to you later. All right,

1356
01:23:10,039 --> 01:23:12,439
there is the one and only Dan
Raypheel again. Thank you for finding

1357
01:23:12,520 --> 01:23:14,560
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1358
01:23:14,640 --> 01:23:16,560
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1359
01:23:16,640 --> 01:23:20,199
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1360
01:23:20,279 --> 01:23:24,640
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1361
01:23:24,720 --> 01:23:27,680
For now, I'm TJ Reeves.
Thanks for being with us for all

1362
01:23:27,760 --> 01:23:30,439
of the coverage of this weekend,
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1363
01:23:30,560 --> 01:23:33,399
rock them off fight, and even
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