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Hello, and welcome to the show. I'm Martin Willis your host, and

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we have a fun show for you
this evening. I have Chris O'Brien.

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Great you followed us for many years. He actually made the truck out here.

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He's living in New York currently and
made the trek up here. He's

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currently I don't know if he's going
to say this, but he's currently eating

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a lobster in the guesthouse right now. So he'll be over and be joining

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us in a bit before that.
I have Alejandro Rojas with the UFO updates,

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and we are on kg r A
Radio and it's a real pleasure to

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be on that station. We're also
on YouTube live and you can also even

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see it on our website and over
at KGr A Radio, and so we're

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going to be talking about all kinds
of things tonight. By the way,

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I do appreciate anyone that helps us
out. Anyone that supports the show,

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thanks so much, and anyone anywhere
can help us out. That information is

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on my website podcast UFO dot com. And also we have a conditional blog

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writer who's going to be sending us
some blogs, so we'll see how that

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goes. So check that website out. Also, there's a UFO sightings page,

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and if you had a UFO sighting
and you want to remain anonymous,

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we have an anonymous form to fill
out. There's some pretty good sightings and

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check that out when you get some
time. So that's it for me blabbing

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away. Alejandro, welcome to the
show. Thank you, thank you.

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Yeah, Chris will be coming in
walking in any minute, when he finishes

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his dinner. He's in one of
the libraries, because you there's several libraries

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right right, we're talking about this
in a state. Yeah, it's kind

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of a crazy place. There's four
of them. Whoa. Yeah, but

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anyway, place you don't how to
work. I'd never own a place like

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this if I could never afford a
place like this, if it didn't need

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so much work. That's all.
That's all I got to say. Isn't

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haunted? Not yet? Really white
libraries, it seems haunting's come with them.

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Well, I plan to haunt the
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I'll take care of that. Yeah, yeah, that's okay. So

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what's going on with the UFO news
this week? UFO news. Let's see,

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there was some ruckus that was made
by mister Frank Kimbler. So Kimbler

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is a guy, and we broke
this story it open minds that TV.

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Actually he is a earth sciences and
geology teacher at the high school and college

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level at the Military Institute in New
Mexico, which happens to be in Roswell.

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It's it's really cool if you if
you've been to Roswell, you could

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see this at this estate. It's
cool. In fact, sometimes there are

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events that were held at their big
auditorium. They have this big old auditorium

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where with plays and stuff they used
to hold neat place. So Frank years

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ago, something like maybe ten years
ago, he moved out there to teach

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at this military institute, and he
decided, hey, you know, since

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this is my specialty geology and stuff, it might be kind of fun to

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look into this whole Roswell thing and
see if there's anything to it. He

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decided what he would do is look
at satellite photos or aerial photos of the

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land where the alleged crash site was
and see if he sees anything interesting.

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Well, he did. He found
some areas that he thought looked like they

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were maybe burnt, and he thought
that would be interesting that if they burned

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an area to kind of get rid
of debris and stuff. So he focused

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on these areas, took his metal
detector, and he found a lot of

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you know, mundane stuff, but
he did find some things that were interesting.

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One of those pieces he took to
a lab essentially to get analyzed,

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and he did this in conjunction with
the UFO Museum out there. Sure enough,

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they came back and the isotopic research
was kind of different. There are

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a lot of different analysis that can
happen. And there's some people that were

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like, how come we didn't do
this analysis or that analysis? And he

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did do several and but most of
those, like electro my scrub Tree,

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I always get that word mix up. Essentially, what those will do don't

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look at the components and the elements
of the metal. But and that's interesting,

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but for the most stuff, you
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all the same. You know,
what we have in our solar system is

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what's in all the other solar systems. So what you really need to look

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for is something that looks to be
manufactured in a manner that we couldn't have

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done, and something that was off
world that comes from you know elsewhere.

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So sure enough, this first analysis
that he had done showed it was not

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material from this planet, but it
was a manufactured material. So that's very

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promising. I mean, that's the
key, that's what we're looking for.

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It was in the area of error, very far off. And the thing

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is is that you know, they
give you okay, it could be error,

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but the whole point is we don't
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there's no way we don't take it
to an error, but it could be.

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So we needed further analysis done.
And I've helped him with a couple

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situations that have just been weird that
didn't work out. He's had a couple

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of situations he's worked with, including
with Bigelow, and that didn't really work

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out. So he's on the brink. He's had some more analysis done and

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he's had he's got some more on
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close to that This stuff is,
you know, et in nature, and

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he didn't even want to tell anybody
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reason why he came out about it
just the other day is that the BLM

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came knocking at the door and said, hey, you know, this was

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BLM land where you collected this stuff. We want to take a look and

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make sure you're doing the right thing. And Frank kind of freaked out.

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I mean, he got scared as
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prospect of all this work kind of
going down the tubes and them taking the

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material away. He was really scared, although he did follow their rules.

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There's a handbook that talks about the
rules. We posted it on our story

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it open minds dot tv, and
he did follow the rules. You can

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take material as long as it's a
reasonable amount. And of course he hasn't

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taken much, and not even a
pound worse probably, and it has to

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be historically or culturally significant, and
this material has not proven to be that

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yet. Hopefully Frank will prove it
to be that, and then you know,

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the BLM would then have a legitimate
case to take it. But of

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course, if they said this was
significant and they did take it, that

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would prove Frank's point that it was
interesting. So he was freaking out because

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they wanted to look at it this
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so I have an update, which
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Frank says they didn't take anything away
from him. So he's happy about that,

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but he's still kind of scared because
he says they still might at any

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moment, they could do that.
So and the reason this all came about

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is interesting too, because the Roswell
festivals coming up at what next weekend,

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not this weekend, at the next
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and I'll be there speaking, of
course, at the museum as usual,

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or I'm always speaking there somewhere.
And what happened is they were going to

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take people to the site and BLM
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wait, you can't take a bunch
of people out there. You gotta

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check with us before you have any
events or anything. And we don't want

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this area trampoline and it's not necessarily
that easy to get to anyway, and

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so they were denying them, and
the people were like, well, you

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Frank went out there, and that's
how they were like, Oh, yeah,

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Frank, who's this Frank? We
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And so that's kind of how this
all came about. Wow, so

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are you gonna be hearing from him
eventually? You know? Well I did

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hear from That's it. And he
said, yeah, they're not taking anything,

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but he's still worried that they could. All right, I'm sorry,

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I just got a little distracted here. I didn't catch that part up.

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Sorry, Um, did you get
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no, just Chris came in and
uh, we have to change something

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real quickly. So I'm gonna have
to get up for a second. But

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Chris is right here. Say hi, Chris. Hey, Brian, I

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haven't talked to you in a while. Yeah, it has been a little

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while, and you've been traveling around. I haven't did Oh man, boy,

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it's been been a lot of miles
here in the last month. Yeah.

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I did conflict in the desert.
Yeah, that was inflicting with people.

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That's kind of what you do.
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just they had me tucked away in
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Uh, so that I didn't come
out and uh, you know, harm

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anybody or insult anybody. Yeah,
well that's a good thing, but I

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still I ended up getting in trouble. So yeah, I'm sure, but

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I mean it is it can be
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there are some pretty strange things.
Being sad and I mean I've even been

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prey where you know, people want
me to say that there was an alien

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that was a guest in my talk
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like, no, no, no. And I think I don't know if

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they genuinely believe those things, but
I think they kind of do, at

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least some people they do. They
do. Let me, let me,

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let me assure you they do.
This is the title flats where the New

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Age washes over and then recedes at
low tide on the beach of Upology,

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and it's it's a very very frightening
experience to be subjected to the type of

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energy to borrow the parlance, the
type of energy that pervades these types of

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events. Of course, this year
was the first year that they were indoors

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at quite a fancy place, and
I unfortunately had the job of mastering,

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editing and mastering all the talks as
they came hot off the count. And

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I was working six computers at once
for one which of about seventeen hours a

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day for four days. It was
a madhouse. Yeah, that's a lot

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of work. Yeah, but but
it was you know, I mean,

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what can I say? You know, it was yeah, eye opening,

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yeah, eye opening. Um,
potentially not as educational as you would like,

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you know, um, lectures to
be but eye opening nonetheless, and

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unlike you said, it can be. I mean it's a bit scary.

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This the kind of fringe ideas and
the kind of unsubstantiated kind of belief can

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be fun and interesting too at times, but especially in more recent times there's

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time to work, it does get
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call it. You know, you've
heard of a hitchcocky and right, well

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this is wilcocky and I love that. And d I coined the coin.

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I should trademarket because it's definitely appropriate. Yeah, yeah, I mean there's

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just some people like speculation and smipulation
for speculations sake, and that's great,

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but it's not speculation, it's it's
it's claims that are off the charts that

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I'm sorry, I don't I don't
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thousand aliens. I'm sorry, you
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well I'm back, um, and
thank you, Chris. We'll be bringing

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you back in. Yeah, now
that you went away, we were able

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to know you session that generate it
happens. Yeah, So uh so,

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anyway, anything else cooking in the
UFO topic that you want to talk about

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an I guess we've kind of talked
about everything else it's gone on, you

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know, on dennif Geek. I
guess the only addition I have to this

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whole limit situation is that I did
write a story recently and it does have

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some input from Louise Elizondo and Leslie
Kane. And I think what's really interesting

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from Jeremy Corbell because I think he's
going to have some really interesting stuff coming

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out soon and he is. I
mean, he's got some great interviews that

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he's been doing on Facebook, so
those are really cool. Check those out.

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And these are witnesses due some of
these events, including David Fraber,

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who is the jet fighter pilot you
know, at this two thousand or San

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Diego thing, which we've all heard
from him, but Jeremy knows him very

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well. So this is more in
depth and more lengthy than other interviews considering

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that he's one of these people that
are very cautious because I've tried to get

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a hold of him and I haven't
heard anything from him. Yes, yeah,

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yeah, he's he's cautious, which
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think is a good thing. You
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and it's great that Jeremy is kind
of the guy he's talking to you,

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at least because Jeremy is a friend
of hires that he keeps us surprised of

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stat right, and um, so
that's really cool. Okay, I just

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I just got a notice he's gonna
be live Friday night. I can't see

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that text that was from hang on
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is going to be you know,
it didn't come up here. Um anyway,

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I guess that's gonna be on KGr
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gathered by a text that flew over
on Skype, which I can't seem to

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get a hold of. But anyway, Um, I'm sure you'll find out

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about that if you go to KGr
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be up there on that website.
So Aljandro, thanks so much for for

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for being here as always, Thank
you, my friend. All right,

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and we'll talk to you next week, all right, see Chris, you

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guys talking to you all right.
Well, I guess our guest doesn't really

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need too much of a introduction.
Yeah, I do, a lot of

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people don't know who the hell this
guy is are you kid? All right,

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I'm just gonna bring you in.
Uh. We're talking about stalking the

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herd. All kinds of a great
research you've done places you if you've lived

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in quite quite a few amazing places. Welcome to the show. It's good

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to be back in Maye after thirty
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I was only here once, just
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I must say thank you so much. I arrived there was a hot,

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steaming lobster waiting for Yeah. Right, I broke the news to everybody.

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Oh man, I was. I
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than one lobster, I might not
see you. No, I'd probably gone,

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Yeah, that would have been too
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to make it, make it across
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So go ahead and let the uh
go ahead, and let the hum the

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listeners know who the heck you are. Well, I'm one of those guys

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that wears helmets and flak vests and
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I as I've gotten older, I've
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armchair. But all through the nineties
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one of the most amazing anomalist areas
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intensity of unusual experiences reported by locals
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think in North America. You know, it's just everything from flying humanoids to

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you know, occult crime, bigfoot, trooping fairies, every type of UFO,

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imaginable, secret military bases underground,
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all kinds of strange individuals that shall
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an amazing place. The Sand Louis
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talking about. Many of my people
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the valley. It's the world's largest
alpine valley. It sits in the south

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central Colorado north a very extreme northern
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backbone of North America, America's Tibet. Some Tibetan Buddhists that visited called it

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that it's radar invisible blow eighteen thousand
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long and totally surrounded by mountains,
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past. Of course, the most
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livestock death or catamulation, even though
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right. I knew about the place
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reading about the flying saucers coming down and

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snipping Snippy. And when I moved
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all that stuff was ancient history,
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kind of nosing around a little bit, and then all of a sudden having

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a quite an upwelling of activity in
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involved in really investigating reports that were
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a local with a local phone number, and people knew. They eventually got

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the idea that I wasn't going to
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their request frandonimity credit them when they
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and stuff. You know, people
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bit more comfortable that there was someone
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of It's just it was astounding how
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investigate in a ten year period,
well over I must have investigated I don't

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know, around twelve hundred bona fide
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hundred ended up in my database.
I have a database of unusual, unexplained

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occurrences from that region that probably rivals
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of its complexity, intensity, and
the variety of reports that I was able

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to document. And of course I
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Valley came out in ninety six.
It was a bestseller for paranormal books.

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It went through twelve printings and twelve
printings and then Entered the Valley was the

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all the historical information and caught the
reader up for a couple of years of

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activity. And then Secret to the
Mysterious Valley, which came out ten years

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later eight years later, summed up
the entire period kind of gave an idea

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of what it was like to be
an investigator running around investigating some of the

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most compelling cases on record. I'm
quite proud of my work. I've never

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made a call to the media to
promote myself. I'm like a lot of

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field investigators. The first thing I
do is called the local newspaper, called

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the local TV show and try to
promote themselves. I've never done that.

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I've also I've also made sure not
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I worked quietly with five county sheriff's
departments, and when they got a report

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of the type that I've described,
I would be the first person that would

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be contacted, and quite often I
went out instead of the deputies. And

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one Chrieff said, I was the
unofficial deputy of weirdness for five counties Sheriff's

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departments. So I spent thirteen years
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proud of my work. Investigated over
two hundred academulations of close and personal and

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my latest book is the textbook the
Bible, the Encyclopedia, the case history

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of that particular mystery. I'm very
proud of it. I don't think anybody

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has even come close to putting the
amount of time and effort and objectivity into

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that particular mystery. And you know, Stalking the Herd is the go to

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book. Now when you say you
know a mystery I have and I know

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that I think I've asked you this
before, we know on my shows.

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Did you have a best guess of
what? Or is it still just a

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plain mystery of what was falling on? It's very complicated. There's no one

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size fits all answer. Everybody likes
things nice and you know, tied up

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in a bow and a nice,
neat little package. Well, this particular

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conundrum Gordian nod if you will,
it defies all simple, logical, single

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explanations. There's multiple groups involved,
everything from unidentified scavenger action, which is

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the biggest I think sort of cause
of a lot of these reports. People

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seeing a dead cow, hearing maybe
that there's mutilations going on in the region,

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happening upon a dead cow, stopping
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it, not knowing what they're looking
at, and thinking that it looks unusual,

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and reporting it as a catamulation.
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of misidentified scavenger action cases, you
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However, it's nowhere near the amount
that some investigators out there with interesting

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theories. It just I mean that
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you tout every dead cows as being
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I think I had about forty that
definitely appeared to be done with intelligence using

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cutting instruments. Out of those forty, about three or four possibly had high

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heat as a cutting agent, which
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out of those forty cases that I
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that to the poor animals, there
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really spooky that still stick stick with
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at the Skinwalker Ranch, there was
a report of what appeared as if

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the cow had been dropped. Its
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Did you ever see any cases where
it appeared that the cow could have

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been dropped? Oh? Yeah,
quite a number. Yeah. In fact

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I found five that we actually I
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film crew and somebody overheard us talking
in a rest you know, kind of

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a little local restaurant, and she
goes, I was coming in. You

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should go out, you know on
County Road, you know, X,

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Y Z or whatever. Go down, make a left, make right,

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and then look off by the fence
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and they look strange. So we
did. We went out there, and

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sure enough, all five of these
animals had had appeared to have been dropped

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from quite a distance. One of
them had all the ribs were broken right

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on the spine on the downside,
and then one of the horns had been

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driven into the ground and snapped off. And there's no way that that animal

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could have done that to itself,
or it could have done it happened with

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somebody dumping dead cows out the back
of a pickup truck. Let's say,

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Um, they looked like they'd been
dropped in a pile. There was four,

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I think three or four cows and
a horse and a horse. Wow.

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Wow, not Snippy, No,
No, Snipper was back in sixty

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seven. This is ninety four,
I think. So I listened to your

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show on Great Bishop's Radio Mysterios.
So I'm a fan of his show.

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I really like enjoy at and I
suggest anyone to check it out. It's

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really great show. So in that
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the post Ray Stamford show because you
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that show you were talking about going
to races. Oh, man,

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I was excited. Yeah, I
was ready to rock. I had twenty

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two, twenty three hours of videotape. Yeah, and it's just Ray got

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cold feet. He just totally back
back, backed away from he's listening now,

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just I know he did. He
backed away. Ray. Next time

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I come down, I'm shooting everything. I kept saying, I should be

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shooting this, I should be shooting
this. And I wasn't going to jump

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right in and be rude and start
filming immediately. I was waiting for him

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to say, you know, ahead, you can film this. I gave

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him plenty, plenty of opportunities,
and you know, Ray, Ray Ray

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will at some point, um,
I think come to the realization that you

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know, he just passed his eightieth
birthday here a couple of days ago,

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and and uh, you know time, it's the time is right to document

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not only all his wonderful collections that
he has that are just jaw dropping,

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his chunky stone collection I think is
the ancient Aliens. Yeah, there is

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really no proof that ancient aliens we're
here unless you go and look at Ray

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Stanford's chunky stone collection. Then you
will see real physical evidence in at least

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in my estimation. And I think
I think I can echo raise uh feelings

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about this that that they here is
real concrete evidence that ancient people's up to

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eighteen hundred years ago, at least
in North America. We're a witness scene

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extraordinary craft in the sky which evolved
into the into the Native American game of

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Chunky. You know, these these
discs are like perfect. I mean,

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you couldn't describe him anything more than
perfect. UFOs Yeah, science officers,

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Yeah, completely, the thirteen adminters
and uh in little domes and and they're

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right out they were raking the Central
United States, Yeah, which is really

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and most of them are made out
of out of meteoritic material humatite. And

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then Ray has one that may be
made out of a lunar media, right,

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and if that's if it is,
it would be the only worked I

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think lunar lunar meteorite ever ever discovered. And it's impressive. It's big.

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I mean we're talking, you know, about five inches six and four or

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five inches across. I don't think
I've ever walked into anyone's house has star

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media right until I win it.
I can't remember seeing a media right in

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anyone's house except his I don't know. He's got a couple of pretty good

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stones there. He's got a collection
to meteorites that the glass media write that

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Alan Heinek said was the strangest fall
of all. That's a classic. Uh.

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I didn't even get a chance to
see that one again. I've seen

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it, you know, in the
past. But you know, I love

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Ray. I think he's the only
person in the field wilthy of any attention.

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I think everybody else are just a
lot of you posers and wannabes for

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the most part. Um, you
know, there are some people that that

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that I do have some respect for
good historians, people that have done a

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lot of work researching and stuff.
But in terms of really analyzing the phenomenon,

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looking at at the type of visual
evidence that that we that we have,

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uh, you know, to ponder, I think Ray's work is is

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just so far above and beyond anybody
else's work. And of course his early

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to mid seventies project Starlight is hard
data monitoring program has been an inspiration and

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a model for for my effort in
the Sanduis Valley of putting together a monitoring

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hard data monitoring UH triangulated monitoring array
and in the Sandleis Valley with with gravitometers,

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magnetometers, uh pcm microphones and other
things to attempt to document some of

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the amazing sidings that they go on
in the valley, you know, continuously.

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So um, that's that's something obviously, uh, we can talk about

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more. But but Ray Ray is
the inspiration for that. When I when

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I read about Project Starlight in the
early to mid seventies, and and then

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of course project has Dollin in uh
well it has Dollin Project in Norway.

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Um, between those two, I
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the the boiler plate, the prototype
of how it could be done.

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And and now in twenty and eighteen, with the level of technology and the

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price you know coming down for tech, you know, we're going to be

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able to do some pretty amazing things
if the if the phenomenon doesn't play with

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our heads and and try to try
to you know, fake us out.

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But but we'll we'll see right right
now, I think I hope Ray doesn't

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get mad at me for saying this, but he has said to me that

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if anyone is really really serious and
takes this really serious and not messing around

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and they're really interested. He will
show them things. Oh yeah, yeah,

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yeah, and he's shown quite a
number of people already. It's just

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uh um, he just does not
want to go into Hey, I forgot,

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We're I forgot. We went past
break time? How about that?

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So we are going to take a
break. Everyone, So hanging there.

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This is Martin Willis with kg R
A Radio, and my guest is Chris

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O'Brien. Will be right back.
We're actually vibe on YouTube just to let

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you know. Hey, so,
actually what I like to do in these

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live breaks because we're on YouTube,
it's going to go into the podcast as

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we just chit chat off a different
subject. We were talking about Ray so

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um, that's how we ended on
that one. I set the timer here

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for three minutes. So um,
I don't know if you want to talk

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about on the regular show, if
you want to talk about the powercasts and

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why you're not on that, or
you want to save that for the regular

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part of the show. Oh no, I can do it here. I'd

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rather do it here. My levels
are really booming too audio by the way.

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Yeah, and you've got to kind
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Yeah, okay, check one,
two, one, two. Yeah,

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it's way better. Yeah, okay, go ahead. So, um,

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so you're not on the podcast after
how many years are we on there?

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Almost ten? Almost ten? How
about that? Yeah? And uh

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what may you decide not to be
on there anymore? Um? It was

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just time time to move along.
I you know, I think i'd pretty

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much what would the term be,
shot my wad? Uh uh it just

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I don't know. I'm into a
whole new vibe trying to get the kids

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involved. Long form shows really aren't
getting the eighteen to thirty five year old

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interested in the subject matter. And
um as as a result of that,

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I've I've I've been working with a
new co host, Ted Bonnet, and

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we're coming up with a much slicker, modern, kind of multi platform way

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of approaching the subject matter. We're
gonna have a cool geo geographic app Um,

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we're gonna have a TV show and
a podcast that's all gonna be feeding

408
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to a database. That's that's very, very impressive. And each of these

409
00:33:00.559 --> 00:33:04.200
things are going to be going to
be independent, but they're all going to

410
00:33:04.240 --> 00:33:09.039
be feeding into into a UFO grid, which is the database. Uh yeah,

411
00:33:09.200 --> 00:33:14.160
UFO grid. Now, if you
go on if you type in UFO

412
00:33:14.200 --> 00:33:17.240
grid dot com. It goes to
Ted's site now correct, which is called

413
00:33:17.279 --> 00:33:22.039
something else. I forget the name
of it. But so, why did

414
00:33:22.039 --> 00:33:27.599
he decide not to use that RL
anymore? That's that was that's been around

415
00:33:27.599 --> 00:33:30.200
a long time, right, Yeah, it has um you know, I'm

416
00:33:30.200 --> 00:33:34.559
not really sure what his thinking was
on that. I'm just trying to figure

417
00:33:34.599 --> 00:33:38.000
out why I don't have this.
You're bud working. Yeah, you don't

418
00:33:38.039 --> 00:33:42.200
really have to worry about that until
until we take calls up. By the

419
00:33:42.240 --> 00:33:45.160
way, we will be taking calls
later on we go for those of you

420
00:33:45.319 --> 00:33:51.279
listening live and YouTube also over when
we go back live. All right,

421
00:33:51.319 --> 00:33:54.799
welcome back. It's Martin Willis with
podcast UFO. My guests tonight is Chris

422
00:33:54.839 --> 00:34:01.200
O'Brien on kg R A radio at
kg our Aradio dot com. So we

423
00:34:01.200 --> 00:34:06.839
were talking before the break. We
were chatting about Ray Stamford and your visit

424
00:34:06.880 --> 00:34:09.719
there. What did you accomplish while
you were there? Well, it was

425
00:34:09.760 --> 00:34:14.039
good, you know, first of
all, visiting with Ray and Sheila.

426
00:34:14.599 --> 00:34:17.519
It's been six years since I actually
was at there at their house. And

427
00:34:20.159 --> 00:34:24.679
I also got a chance to kind
of get a dry run through what hopefully

428
00:34:24.719 --> 00:34:29.719
I will be at some point documenting
I think in the future, all his

429
00:34:29.840 --> 00:34:35.360
various collections, his pre Columbian,
his dinosaur trace evidence, his fossils,

430
00:34:35.960 --> 00:34:39.360
meteor rights, and then of course
the all important, as he calls it,

431
00:34:39.440 --> 00:34:46.599
anomalous area object analytical work. He's
been working for well over a decade

432
00:34:47.199 --> 00:34:53.480
analyzing the many films that he's taken
since nineteen fifty six of UFO events.

433
00:34:53.599 --> 00:35:00.199
And what he's done is he's digitized
everything and then put it into a frame

434
00:35:00.239 --> 00:35:06.079
by frame sequences so that he can
then look at at the trace evidence that's

435
00:35:06.199 --> 00:35:10.480
left in the in the sky of
these events, and uh, it's just

436
00:35:10.599 --> 00:35:17.639
it's phenomenal. His observational acuity is
off the charts. There's no one I've

437
00:35:17.719 --> 00:35:23.000
met that even comes close to,
how you know, insightful his his uh,

438
00:35:24.119 --> 00:35:30.599
the physical ability to detect trace evidence, whether it's a dinosaur track that

439
00:35:30.800 --> 00:35:35.400
millions of people have walked over and
he can see, or if he looks

440
00:35:35.440 --> 00:35:40.039
up and sees the trackways in the
sky based on his photographs and film footage,

441
00:35:40.960 --> 00:35:45.400
it's just dazzling. And unfortunately,
you know, I'm a pretty bright

442
00:35:45.440 --> 00:35:53.440
guy. I've I've got a good
working knowledge of several scientific disciplines. But

443
00:35:54.519 --> 00:36:00.400
I mean it's it takes every bit
of concentration and every bit of my knowledge

444
00:36:00.440 --> 00:36:06.800
and the uh, you know,
the the ability to to stop him and

445
00:36:06.840 --> 00:36:09.400
ask questions. I think it's important
when when when he gets too far beyond

446
00:36:09.480 --> 00:36:14.400
me, instead of my eyes glazing
over and me just kind of nodding off

447
00:36:15.440 --> 00:36:19.920
like some people I'm sure do when
they when they see some of this very

448
00:36:20.000 --> 00:36:25.159
very intricate information visual information, I
do try to ask questions and try to

449
00:36:25.159 --> 00:36:30.679
get get you know, make sure
that I'm following when he's talking about optical

450
00:36:30.679 --> 00:36:35.159
physics, when he's talking about you
know, gravitational fields, where he's talking

451
00:36:35.159 --> 00:36:39.360
about magnetic fields, and in light
spectrum and how light can be polarized or

452
00:36:39.360 --> 00:36:44.239
not polarized. You know, there's
certain scientific principles that you really have to

453
00:36:44.239 --> 00:36:46.800
have an understanding of in order for
what he's saying to make sense. So

454
00:36:47.400 --> 00:36:54.480
I'm really really dedicated to making sure
that we have a version of Ray's presentation

455
00:36:54.719 --> 00:37:01.599
with Ray actually explaining the information sitting
there. Without Ray, um is only

456
00:37:01.599 --> 00:37:05.880
gonna you know, only a few
people really are going to be able to

457
00:37:05.920 --> 00:37:09.320
decipher what he's done there. Uh, you know, optical physicists. Theoretical

458
00:37:09.320 --> 00:37:14.519
physicists are going to be able to
sit down and understand what he's done based

459
00:37:14.559 --> 00:37:17.880
on what he's left behind, let's
say, but with Ray actually sitting there

460
00:37:19.119 --> 00:37:22.840
and taking you through the process step
by step. I think it's very important

461
00:37:22.840 --> 00:37:28.239
to get that down on video.
And I'm ready. You know. That's

462
00:37:28.239 --> 00:37:30.400
one of the reasons why I've I've
moved back to the East Coast is to

463
00:37:31.119 --> 00:37:37.000
is to do this. And Um, I've already got his life in his

464
00:37:37.039 --> 00:37:39.800
own words, uh, in a
transcript. It's it's been written down.

465
00:37:39.880 --> 00:37:45.760
I've I've spent hundreds of hours with
him and then transcribe our conversations about his

466
00:37:45.840 --> 00:37:49.559
life. I was able to get
all his Uri Geller stories, which are

467
00:37:49.599 --> 00:37:54.039
just mind warping, which I never
did get part of this. Um actually

468
00:37:54.039 --> 00:37:57.719
wanted him to tour with him.
Yeah, yeah, you know, to

469
00:37:57.760 --> 00:38:01.159
be his battery or his is that
when the two of them got together,

470
00:38:02.800 --> 00:38:07.480
some pretty amazing stuff, very very
well documented too. I might add,

471
00:38:07.519 --> 00:38:12.760
some pretty amazing stuff took place.
And initially the book was only going to

472
00:38:12.800 --> 00:38:19.239
be as uthological history in stories,
but but now we're we're we're branching off

473
00:38:19.280 --> 00:38:22.679
a little bit. Carl in the
chat room. By the way, I

474
00:38:22.719 --> 00:38:27.920
will take a look at the chat
room on YouTube, and I have Evan

475
00:38:28.079 --> 00:38:34.079
is over there on the KGr A
radio overhe's over there at the chat If

476
00:38:34.079 --> 00:38:37.639
someone wants to communicate a question to
get to Chris so Carl here on YouTube

477
00:38:38.000 --> 00:38:42.920
wants to know, do you have
any latest what's your latest news on cattle

478
00:38:43.000 --> 00:38:45.719
mutilations? Have you? Do you
keep your your thumb on that? What's

479
00:38:45.719 --> 00:38:50.119
going on? Yeah? I do. Um, there's a couple of interesting

480
00:38:50.199 --> 00:38:55.760
chat rooms. Um, there's a
Facebook a closed Facebook page anomalous animal deaths.

481
00:38:57.079 --> 00:39:00.079
And you know, of course,
we do have a loose network of

482
00:39:01.000 --> 00:39:06.119
if you can call it that,
of investigators. So there's there's not many

483
00:39:06.159 --> 00:39:09.000
people out there that are willing to, uh to devote the time and energy

484
00:39:09.000 --> 00:39:15.519
it takes to investigate these cases.
And it seems that most of the people

485
00:39:15.559 --> 00:39:21.000
that are involved in this particular realm
of investigation have already come to the conclusion

486
00:39:21.079 --> 00:39:23.719
aliens are responsible for all of this, and that's it. I mean,

487
00:39:24.079 --> 00:39:28.920
if you even argue with that,
you're the enemy, you are you know,

488
00:39:29.920 --> 00:39:32.559
you know, get away, get
away, you know you're not buying

489
00:39:32.639 --> 00:39:37.440
into the alien meme. Well,
I think aliens are possibly the least likely

490
00:39:37.519 --> 00:39:45.960
explanation. There's only maybe seven percent, maybe ten percent of the data would

491
00:39:46.039 --> 00:39:54.079
support a UFO connection. There's very
little, if any information pertaining to aliens

492
00:39:54.719 --> 00:40:00.639
one or two claims over sixty years. I think the majority of cases are

493
00:40:00.519 --> 00:40:10.000
actually a very stealthy, well orchestrated
monitoring of the environment and of our food

494
00:40:10.079 --> 00:40:15.920
chain. I think there's a tremendous
sphere within the beef industry, within them,

495
00:40:15.039 --> 00:40:20.199
the Centers for Disease Control, possibly
the National Institutes of Health, some

496
00:40:20.239 --> 00:40:25.639
sort of quasi group along those lines, maybe in concert with the beef industry

497
00:40:25.679 --> 00:40:30.599
that's deathly afraid of the outbreak of
mad cow disease and then the result in

498
00:40:30.639 --> 00:40:36.800
kotzfeld Jacob's disease and humans, you
know, possibly blossoming in the food chain.

499
00:40:36.960 --> 00:40:40.440
So I think if you look at
the work that's been done by Coom

500
00:40:40.559 --> 00:40:45.119
callerher who you know, for many
years was the managing director for the National

501
00:40:45.119 --> 00:40:52.719
Institute for Discovery Sciences MIDS with Robert
Bigelow, spent quite a bit of time

502
00:40:52.760 --> 00:40:59.039
coordinating all the investigations upon the Skinwalker
ranch in the you Win a Basin up

503
00:40:59.039 --> 00:41:05.079
in Utah. Coal wrote a very
very important book that I'm so bummed was

504
00:41:05.320 --> 00:41:08.639
so overlooked, and it's called brain
Trust, And basically he laid out the

505
00:41:09.320 --> 00:41:16.559
proposition that mac cow disease is the
possible motivating factor behind quite a number of

506
00:41:16.679 --> 00:41:21.199
cattle mutilations. I'm not saying that's
the end all to be all. That's

507
00:41:21.239 --> 00:41:23.760
not that one size fits all answer. I have cases going all the way

508
00:41:23.760 --> 00:41:28.800
back to sixteen oh five and sixteen
oh six, and in uh, you

509
00:41:28.840 --> 00:41:31.679
know, during the early part of
the reign of James the First of England,

510
00:41:32.559 --> 00:41:37.039
you know, right when Shakespeare was
writing Macbeth and James was rewriting the

511
00:41:37.119 --> 00:41:42.119
Christian Bible, there were outbreaks of
hundreds and hundreds of sheet mutilations in and

512
00:41:42.119 --> 00:41:46.239
around London. Um I did finally
was able to confirm that. So,

513
00:41:46.239 --> 00:41:52.159
so this is a true mystery.
There is a high strange, possibly supernatural

514
00:41:52.320 --> 00:41:55.599
or preternatural element to it. But
but those cases are extremely rare compared to

515
00:41:57.280 --> 00:42:00.679
the many, many thousands and thousands
of what I feel or human perpetrated cases.

516
00:42:01.360 --> 00:42:06.480
Last time that you were on the
show, you really wanted to make

517
00:42:06.519 --> 00:42:12.119
me become a vegetarian. I remember
you you were talking about the beef industry.

518
00:42:12.079 --> 00:42:16.440
Yeah, the methane caused by raising
beef. Now tell me if I'm

519
00:42:16.440 --> 00:42:22.079
wrong that you said there's up to
three hundred cows in a single McDonald's hamburger.

520
00:42:22.159 --> 00:42:24.559
Did you say, Well, they
admit to a hundred, But there's

521
00:42:24.639 --> 00:42:30.480
been there's been with some studies that
would suggest it could be as many as

522
00:42:30.480 --> 00:42:34.719
a thousand cows and in the same
and if any of them have nerve tissue,

523
00:42:34.760 --> 00:42:37.400
that's where the pren sang out.
And you know if there's a downer

524
00:42:37.480 --> 00:42:40.800
cow. They used to throw those
into the food chain when a cow was

525
00:42:40.840 --> 00:42:45.880
shaking and couldn't stand up and was
twitching out. Well like dementia, like

526
00:42:45.000 --> 00:42:51.400
dementia in humans. Uh, these
these animals are we're thrown in in the

527
00:42:51.440 --> 00:42:55.199
pie. Now they're put into pet
foods. So h You know, if

528
00:42:55.239 --> 00:43:00.719
you use your cutlery to take the
dog food out of the in or the

529
00:43:00.760 --> 00:43:04.639
cat food out of the can,
it doesn't matter how many times you sterilize

530
00:43:04.639 --> 00:43:07.960
those things. There could still be
pryons there because you can't kill them.

531
00:43:08.239 --> 00:43:14.800
It takes about twenty five hundred degrees
to turn off pryon. So you know,

532
00:43:14.880 --> 00:43:22.800
autoclaves and sterilization and even chlorine bleach
can't do away with Yeah, so

533
00:43:22.440 --> 00:43:27.400
just a word to the wise.
Yeah, you saw a little chua to

534
00:43:27.480 --> 00:43:35.159
try to I did. Yeah,
the human race, probably most pets in

535
00:43:35.199 --> 00:43:37.840
America do open look at that.
Yeah. I used to, you know,

536
00:43:37.960 --> 00:43:42.280
make my own cat food. Yeah. Yeah, I get a pound

537
00:43:42.360 --> 00:43:47.199
of turkey out, foul fat sprouts, chicken livers, a little squash,

538
00:43:47.239 --> 00:43:52.239
grinded it all up and then do
a little single serving things and freeze it.

539
00:43:52.400 --> 00:43:57.400
And and then and then one day
somebody was house sitting and they ran

540
00:43:57.440 --> 00:44:01.039
out of our homemade cat food and
put down some friskies, some dry food,

541
00:44:01.360 --> 00:44:06.840
and they would never touch the Well, that's the good stuff again.

542
00:44:06.960 --> 00:44:10.079
Ever. Yeah, someone at STRA
wants to know. Have you seen a

543
00:44:10.159 --> 00:44:15.960
map that overlaysy mutilations with atomic testing? Yes? Yes, what's the scoop?

544
00:44:16.079 --> 00:44:20.119
Is there any correlation to that?
Yeah? Absolutely. David Perkins,

545
00:44:20.159 --> 00:44:24.039
my mentor, who's working diligently on
a follow up to Stalking the Herd.

546
00:44:24.079 --> 00:44:28.960
Stalking the Herd has all the data, and it has twelve different databases correlated

547
00:44:29.000 --> 00:44:32.000
together and has all the facts.
I had to you know, it's a

548
00:44:32.039 --> 00:44:35.880
six hundred page book, half a
million words. I had to take three

549
00:44:35.960 --> 00:44:40.800
hundred pages out because there wasn't enough
room. That is going to be it's

550
00:44:40.880 --> 00:44:45.320
kind of the basis for a follow
up book that's going to analyze all the

551
00:44:45.440 --> 00:44:47.960
data. We're not sure what we're
going to call it. Stalking the Stalker's

552
00:44:49.679 --> 00:44:52.400
Mute Speaker. We have a couple
of working titles. But but David Perkins,

553
00:44:52.440 --> 00:44:57.320
my co writer and my my dear, dear, dear friend and mentor,

554
00:44:58.400 --> 00:45:02.159
he came up with a theory and
an observation in nineteen seventy nine that

555
00:45:02.320 --> 00:45:08.360
if you take a map of above
ground pollution from one hundred above ground nuclear

556
00:45:08.400 --> 00:45:13.440
tests at the Nevada test site,
and you look at the wind patterns and

557
00:45:13.559 --> 00:45:19.360
how that nuclear radiation has been distributed
across the middle and eastern portions of the

558
00:45:19.480 --> 00:45:23.039
United States, and then you take
a map of high incidents of calamulations and

559
00:45:23.159 --> 00:45:28.840
overlay it, it's a perfect match. It's frightening. And you know,

560
00:45:28.920 --> 00:45:35.440
I've always always wondered why California,
you know, parts of western Nevada,

561
00:45:35.920 --> 00:45:40.280
Washington, Oregon, British Columbia,
they have a few cases, but relatively

562
00:45:40.320 --> 00:45:44.800
speaking to what's going on in Kansas, Nebraska, New Mexico, Colorado,

563
00:45:45.559 --> 00:45:50.280
there's one hundreds and hundreds of cases
for every one case that you have upwind

564
00:45:50.559 --> 00:45:55.320
of the Nevada test site. So
another thing that we've found is that radiation

565
00:45:55.400 --> 00:46:04.239
in the environment and levels of copper
in the cattle's blood can kick off matt

566
00:46:04.239 --> 00:46:07.400
cow. Does these UH more more
prevalent. It could be more prevalent in

567
00:46:07.559 --> 00:46:14.199
animals that have been grazing on with
residual radiation in their environment. So the

568
00:46:14.280 --> 00:46:22.920
combination of copper and UH and radiation
in the environment UH makes cattle more prone

569
00:46:22.920 --> 00:46:29.599
to developing misfolded proteins or preowners.
Wow. Wow. Now going back to

570
00:46:29.639 --> 00:46:34.119
the San Luis Valley, I lived
in Colorado three years, but it was

571
00:46:34.559 --> 00:46:37.599
it was in Longmont, you know, I don't know if you know where

572
00:46:37.599 --> 00:46:40.280
that is. Yeah, So what
part of the state that's down? Is

573
00:46:40.280 --> 00:46:44.920
it down toward Durango? Where is
you know? That's west Western. It's

574
00:46:44.920 --> 00:46:47.280
a western slope right in the middle
of the state. If you go down

575
00:46:47.360 --> 00:46:52.760
to Taos, New Mexico, ye, and stand you know right there,

576
00:46:52.840 --> 00:46:55.159
let's say, stand just north of
town there at the pueblo and look north,

577
00:46:55.599 --> 00:46:59.880
you'll see this huge football shape valley. It's one hundred and forty miles

578
00:47:00.039 --> 00:47:04.519
long. That extends north to houses
at the extreme southern end of the valley

579
00:47:04.840 --> 00:47:07.880
geographically, and then the valley the
valley extends all the way up into Colorado

580
00:47:07.960 --> 00:47:13.719
one hundred and forty miles. So
that's that's the Sand Louis Valley. Yeah.

581
00:47:15.079 --> 00:47:17.400
Now do you know it is still
a hotbed right now? Yeah,

582
00:47:17.480 --> 00:47:22.400
right now? Yeah, yeah,
yeah, there's last September, we had

583
00:47:22.440 --> 00:47:27.119
a bunch of reports two weeks it
was hot and heavy in March that were

584
00:47:27.119 --> 00:47:34.320
a number of reports. Um,
the one Mystic mountain Side on Facebook has

585
00:47:34.400 --> 00:47:40.199
been talking about some recent reports around
the town a blank. My guy down

586
00:47:40.199 --> 00:47:45.760
in the seed, Thomas Pay has
had a number of reports that he's seen.

587
00:47:46.840 --> 00:47:51.199
You have to remember because it's so
prevalent there, people have gotten used

588
00:47:51.199 --> 00:47:53.840
to it and it's normal for them
and I along dating back, how far

589
00:47:53.880 --> 00:47:59.719
do you go back in history where
people been reporting. Oh, the earliest

590
00:48:00.679 --> 00:48:06.440
that I can find to report to
seventeen seventy seven, and the first Spanish

591
00:48:06.440 --> 00:48:09.599
governor of the Mexico Territory was chasing
a Comanche war chief, Quinta Verde,

592
00:48:09.719 --> 00:48:15.719
up into the Weafino Valley and as
he passed by Fort Garland and made the

593
00:48:15.760 --> 00:48:19.719
turn to go around to the east
of the Sandleis Valley, he noticed up

594
00:48:19.760 --> 00:48:23.400
around Blanca Peak, which is the
highest mountain group in the on the eastern

595
00:48:23.400 --> 00:48:28.519
side of the valley. There he
knows strange lights and his troops reported this

596
00:48:28.599 --> 00:48:34.840
weird kind of nauseating uh sort of
humming sound or deep vibration in the ground

597
00:48:34.920 --> 00:48:37.480
there. So they like the taois
hum It's what people would call it.

598
00:48:37.559 --> 00:48:44.000
Later, I think, wow.
And is there any geological aspects that are

599
00:48:44.119 --> 00:48:47.920
unique, like, for instance,
up Brown Mountain with the all the sightings

600
00:48:47.960 --> 00:48:54.559
there has a real high copper content
of that particular mountain you know of it?

601
00:48:55.320 --> 00:48:59.599
Yeah, yeah, there's quite quite
a quite a there's quite a number

602
00:48:59.599 --> 00:49:02.519
of features there. First of all, it's the second largest rift valley in

603
00:49:02.559 --> 00:49:07.840
the world, where it's the Great
Riff Valley in Africa, which goes up

604
00:49:07.880 --> 00:49:12.159
you know, the eastern part of
Africa and uh it's where some of the

605
00:49:12.159 --> 00:49:15.559
oldest remains of humans have been found
in Olduvai Gorge in that area of Ethiopia.

606
00:49:15.639 --> 00:49:22.679
And uh that that that that is
the largest riff valley. The the

607
00:49:22.719 --> 00:49:28.400
real Grand uh Riff Valley goes from
south of El Paso all the way up

608
00:49:28.400 --> 00:49:34.159
through New Mexico into the center of
Colorado around Leadville. So that's a continuous

609
00:49:34.280 --> 00:49:37.280
rift. It's a it's a it's
a plate in the North American Plate.

610
00:49:37.320 --> 00:49:44.360
It's where two sections of the North
American Plate come together. And so occasionally

611
00:49:44.400 --> 00:49:50.880
you'll have super cold on super cold
nights with with like single digit humidity.

612
00:49:51.000 --> 00:49:54.719
I've seen this a couple of times. You have the Payezo electric courts discharging

613
00:49:54.800 --> 00:49:59.719
up into the atmosphere from the tops
of the mountains. These these weird white

614
00:50:00.159 --> 00:50:07.679
like the snake like Kundalini rushes coming
up into the sky that are pretty interesting

615
00:50:07.079 --> 00:50:13.719
way. And then there's two billion
dollars worth of methane sitting out just west

616
00:50:13.760 --> 00:50:16.599
and north of the Great Sand Dunes, And occasionally the conditions are right,

617
00:50:16.679 --> 00:50:22.239
some of that methane gas will will
illuminate, and I think that's fulled quite

618
00:50:22.239 --> 00:50:30.519
a number of people over the years. You also have interesting correlation and close

619
00:50:30.599 --> 00:50:36.199
proximity between the Earth's magnetic field.
In other words, there are areas where

620
00:50:36.400 --> 00:50:40.159
the magnetic field is at maximum strength
and then areas where it's at minimum field

621
00:50:40.239 --> 00:50:45.119
strength, and they're right buttered up
against one another. And it seems where

622
00:50:45.239 --> 00:50:50.239
where you have the close proximity between
minimum maximum field strength. There's like seams,

623
00:50:50.239 --> 00:50:52.679
and that seems to be the corridors
where a lot of our activity are.

624
00:50:53.119 --> 00:51:00.360
Our uthological activity tends to be mostly
reported along this the demarcation zone DMZ

625
00:51:00.519 --> 00:51:05.119
if you will, so you know, and you also have the government.

626
00:51:05.400 --> 00:51:08.039
They have the Levita Military Operations Area
just over the mountains to the east,

627
00:51:08.079 --> 00:51:14.159
and they're constantly flying all kinds of
weird you know, conventional you know,

628
00:51:14.960 --> 00:51:19.960
lit up like something from outer space, conventional craft, and then probably some

629
00:51:20.320 --> 00:51:23.360
you know, black black project craft
as well. Um, if you want

630
00:51:23.400 --> 00:51:25.800
to, you know, get into
all that kind of stuff, you got

631
00:51:25.880 --> 00:51:30.840
to read my books. Because I
am a little reluctant to talk about the

632
00:51:30.880 --> 00:51:35.360
government stuff on the air. I
can see why. Yeah, yeah,

633
00:51:35.400 --> 00:51:40.079
we're going to break in just two
minutes. So U as far as that

634
00:51:40.239 --> 00:51:45.480
too. Now, did you first
move there, um because you're interested or

635
00:51:45.480 --> 00:51:50.880
did you get interested when you moved
there? No? I originally moved to

636
00:51:50.920 --> 00:51:57.320
Santa Fe in eighty nine and and
I just happened to witness a fatal car

637
00:51:57.360 --> 00:52:02.400
accident and two pedestrian yes, from
the crazy drivers there in Santa Fe.

638
00:52:02.599 --> 00:52:07.440
And uh, I just took it
as the universe, saying that that wasn't

639
00:52:07.480 --> 00:52:10.079
quite the place for me, and
uh in Deborah and and so I had

640
00:52:10.119 --> 00:52:15.199
friends that had a big four bedroom
house up in the U in the little

641
00:52:15.239 --> 00:52:17.679
town of Crestone and up in the
San Luis Valley, and they said,

642
00:52:17.679 --> 00:52:21.400
hey, whyce you come up here
and check it out? And so we

643
00:52:21.639 --> 00:52:24.519
went up there just to check it
out, and uh we ended I ended

644
00:52:24.599 --> 00:52:29.840
up staying for thirteen years and some
of the most you know, it's one

645
00:52:29.880 --> 00:52:32.719
of the most remote areas in North
America. I mean it's sixty miles in

646
00:52:32.760 --> 00:52:37.400
there a stoplight from where I lived. Oh so you think this has developed

647
00:52:37.400 --> 00:52:38.400
where I'm living here in Maine.
Oh god, yeah, yeah, this

648
00:52:38.519 --> 00:52:43.880
is like we have we have a
stoplight. Yeah, I think, yeah,

649
00:52:43.960 --> 00:52:46.519
yeah, Well it's not real far
away anyway. All right, So

650
00:52:46.639 --> 00:52:52.199
we're coming up on the break and
we'll come back and a bit and uh

651
00:52:52.239 --> 00:52:58.480
we're I'm probably gonna ask you about
your project to that chair thinking about starting.

652
00:52:58.519 --> 00:53:02.079
Yeah, all right, So,
uh we are coming up in the

653
00:53:02.079 --> 00:53:07.199
break. This is Martin Willis with
podcast UFO and we are in k kg

654
00:53:07.559 --> 00:53:13.159
R a radio, and uh we
are going to take a break so hang

655
00:53:13.199 --> 00:53:16.360
in, stay with us, We'll
be back. Do you want to continue

656
00:53:16.360 --> 00:53:20.440
to talk about power Cash? You
just decided not to do that, but

657
00:53:20.559 --> 00:53:25.400
now you're gonna be on with is
it ted Ted Bonnet? Yeah? Yeah,

658
00:53:25.400 --> 00:53:31.119
well it's yeah. I there are
a number of reasons why I finally

659
00:53:31.199 --> 00:53:35.880
left the show, and I'm sure
people that know me and know the show

660
00:53:36.000 --> 00:53:42.079
and know the trials and tribulations that
have gone into my involvement with the show,

661
00:53:43.480 --> 00:53:47.679
I don't want to I don't want
to belabor any anything or you know,

662
00:53:49.559 --> 00:53:53.880
cast dispersions or complaint or bitch or
moan or whatever. But but I

663
00:53:53.960 --> 00:53:57.199
just, you know, I felt
it for the amount of work that I

664
00:53:57.239 --> 00:54:02.760
was putting in there. Um I
wasn't seeing kind of I don't know,

665
00:54:04.599 --> 00:54:07.960
it just wasn't worth my time.
U For the amount of effort and energy

666
00:54:08.039 --> 00:54:13.760
that takes to do a two hour
show. It just you know, it

667
00:54:13.800 --> 00:54:17.440
was too much work for too little
coming back and h and you know it

668
00:54:17.599 --> 00:54:21.920
just again. I think the main
thing though, is that I really want

669
00:54:21.960 --> 00:54:28.599
to move forward in the type of
broadcasting scenario. I want to be multi

670
00:54:28.639 --> 00:54:31.239
platform. I want to be talking
to you know, to eighteen to thirty

671
00:54:31.239 --> 00:54:37.639
five year olds, the baby boomers
can argue about whether UFOs exist all they

672
00:54:37.679 --> 00:54:42.360
want. The kids know they do. Uh, They're not interested in sitting

673
00:54:42.400 --> 00:54:45.760
there and listening to you know,
war stories featuring Donald Keyo and Jim Moseley.

674
00:54:46.400 --> 00:54:51.679
Uh. These are you know,
people from you know, ancient history.

675
00:54:51.760 --> 00:54:53.599
Even their parents would would would think
that they were old, old,

676
00:54:53.760 --> 00:55:00.079
old news. So I'm looking to
do something much more cool, cutting edge

677
00:55:00.679 --> 00:55:05.559
and in less old school. Did
I hear you say it was going to

678
00:55:05.639 --> 00:55:07.639
be just like an hour show or
a half hours half hour show, half

679
00:55:07.639 --> 00:55:10.360
hour show? Well, do you
think you can really dig in and a

680
00:55:10.360 --> 00:55:15.119
half hour? Yeah? Absolutely,
I mean I can have cliffhangers and you

681
00:55:15.119 --> 00:55:21.280
know you can wait till the next
half hour show. Absolutely. I think

682
00:55:21.280 --> 00:55:24.880
that if you can't, if you
can't get a point across in a half

683
00:55:24.920 --> 00:55:30.440
hour, whatever that point might be, the kids aren't going to be interested.

684
00:55:30.920 --> 00:55:36.679
Yeah. Well, I know the
attention span is short on you know,

685
00:55:36.800 --> 00:55:38.760
it's just in the reason, to
be fair, The reason is there's

686
00:55:38.800 --> 00:55:45.440
so much information all the time being
blasted at everyone's way that I totally understand

687
00:55:45.480 --> 00:55:50.280
why the two minute video on YouTube
is the one that people watch instead of

688
00:55:50.320 --> 00:55:53.920
that, you know, a four
minute. Well, in again, our

689
00:55:54.199 --> 00:55:58.519
approach is going to be much different. We're going to have people out and

690
00:55:58.679 --> 00:56:00.920
you know, Ted's going to be
out in the field. It's gonna be

691
00:56:00.960 --> 00:56:06.519
story driven. Um, it's all
gonna everything's gonna be kicking back to a

692
00:56:07.519 --> 00:56:13.679
you know, a regional based uh
database. So not much we can say

693
00:56:13.719 --> 00:56:15.159
in twenty eight seconds. So just
quickly, where is someone going to be

694
00:56:15.199 --> 00:56:20.119
able to find that? Well,
we don't have an actual web presence yet,

695
00:56:20.159 --> 00:56:22.800
but the show is going to be
called out there, um and and

696
00:56:22.840 --> 00:56:27.440
we're definitely gonna be out there.
We're gonna be covering all aspects of the

697
00:56:27.480 --> 00:56:35.199
paranormal and uh and also consciousness psychedelic
studies. We're gonna be branching out and

698
00:56:35.800 --> 00:56:39.199
looking at all this stuff under a
big umbrella. Okay, welcome back everyone.

699
00:56:39.679 --> 00:56:45.440
This is Martin Willis with PODCASTFO.
My guest tonight is Chris O'Brien in

700
00:56:45.719 --> 00:56:51.239
studio and uh, I'm glad to
have him here. And before the break,

701
00:56:51.719 --> 00:56:54.119
UM, I can't remember what the
heck were we talking about San Luis

702
00:56:54.280 --> 00:56:58.079
Valley, I can, I don't
know. We change the subject so many

703
00:56:58.079 --> 00:57:01.519
times since then, but um,
we are now going to be taking calls

704
00:57:01.559 --> 00:57:07.719
if anyone would like to call in
and that number. I'm just going to

705
00:57:07.719 --> 00:57:12.800
announce it for those over at KGr
A Radio and also Evan will post the

706
00:57:12.880 --> 00:57:16.519
number there and on YouTube. It'll
be up on your screen screen and that

707
00:57:16.719 --> 00:57:22.079
six ozh three nine six seven four
h three. Oh, if anyone would

708
00:57:22.119 --> 00:57:24.400
like to call in. We are
getting some questions in the chat I notice,

709
00:57:25.360 --> 00:57:29.480
and I will try to get to
them. But of course we always

710
00:57:29.519 --> 00:57:35.599
like to have people call in.
And someone posted this question over at KGr

711
00:57:35.679 --> 00:57:37.760
A Radio, and that is speaking
of things washed up on the beach,

712
00:57:37.800 --> 00:57:42.920
what about the strange drap deck that
washed up on the California beach with flashing

713
00:57:43.039 --> 00:57:49.559
with a flashing light on top there
for several months. Any did you hear

714
00:57:49.559 --> 00:57:52.639
about that? I didn't hear about
that. Yeah, so we don't.

715
00:57:52.760 --> 00:57:54.280
We don't hear about it. We
can't really comment much on it. Well,

716
00:57:54.320 --> 00:58:00.719
I don't know. It sounds sounds
one day. Let's see. What

717
00:58:00.719 --> 00:58:07.519
do you think of the Eric Davis
com that poulter Geist activity always accompanies see

718
00:58:07.679 --> 00:58:12.760
UFO phenomenon. Are you familiar with
that? I've I haven't really dug into

719
00:58:12.880 --> 00:58:16.239
some of the interviews. Uh in
comments that have done have been done about

720
00:58:16.280 --> 00:58:22.639
his interview? Uh, it's it
doesn't surprise me. I think John Alexander

721
00:58:23.280 --> 00:58:31.719
is someone that's been champion a connection
between various divergent mysteries that people would think

722
00:58:32.360 --> 00:58:39.320
our standalone and or you know,
encapsulated, uh and and sort of stovepiped.

723
00:58:40.119 --> 00:58:45.480
I disagree. I think there's a
connecting point that ties a lot of

724
00:58:45.519 --> 00:58:52.440
these various types of mysteries together.
And to be followed home from a hotspot

725
00:58:52.480 --> 00:58:55.480
location and to have a hitchhiker that
all of a sudden then starts, uh,

726
00:58:57.000 --> 00:59:00.639
you know, pranking you in your
house makes perfect sense to me,

727
00:59:00.679 --> 00:59:02.719
and it doesn't surprise me at all. In fact, I've kind of been

728
00:59:02.760 --> 00:59:10.079
saying this for years, that there
is a connection between various paranormal phenomena.

729
00:59:10.360 --> 00:59:15.079
Oh yeah, there are some theories
out there I've heard. For instance,

730
00:59:15.119 --> 00:59:20.119
Paul Eno has a theory that's pretty
interesting. I don't know if you've ever

731
00:59:20.159 --> 00:59:23.800
heard of his, but yeah,
so, uh, Andy wanted to know

732
00:59:24.000 --> 00:59:31.360
if you can comment on any other
Gormally slash Bradshaw type sites currently experiencing high

733
00:59:31.440 --> 00:59:37.639
strangeness. Well, it depends on
what you mean by currently. You know,

734
00:59:37.679 --> 00:59:40.039
I've been gone for the last month. So it's hard for me to

735
00:59:40.079 --> 00:59:45.159
comment about anything that's been going on
within the last few weeks. The Bradshaw

736
00:59:45.320 --> 00:59:52.719
Ranch has been fairly dead, but
there was let's see about a year ago,

737
00:59:52.000 --> 00:59:57.599
third week of September, there was
an interesting report from out in the

738
00:59:57.599 --> 01:00:00.599
Bradshaw Ranch for some of the listeners
who don't know where that location is.

739
01:00:00.639 --> 01:00:06.360
That's west of Sedona, Arizona,
where I live for for the last fourteen

740
01:00:06.480 --> 01:00:14.039
years. And an investigative researcher named
Tom Dongo worked with the ranch owner,

741
01:00:14.079 --> 01:00:16.880
Linda Bradshaw for quite a number of
years, wrote three books about some of

742
01:00:16.880 --> 01:00:22.000
the uh, you know, the
activity out there. The Sherman Ranch or

743
01:00:22.039 --> 01:00:27.840
the Gorman Ranch as George Knapp called
it in Hunt. The skin Walker is

744
01:00:27.880 --> 01:00:30.960
the skin so called Skinwalker Ranch up
in the winter base, and uh,

745
01:00:31.039 --> 01:00:37.159
there's constantly stuff going on around there. But as with the San Luis Valley,

746
01:00:37.920 --> 01:00:43.239
people are so used to it and
they know that there's nothing, nothing

747
01:00:43.280 --> 01:00:46.320
good is going to come from reporting
activity. They're just going to open themselves

748
01:00:46.440 --> 01:00:51.559
up for for media attention and for
people to you know, be staking out

749
01:00:51.559 --> 01:00:54.400
their property and stuff. So um, you know, locals in these areas

750
01:00:54.440 --> 01:01:00.719
they will not report these things to
UH national or organizations. There's generally newcomers

751
01:01:00.760 --> 01:01:05.880
to the area to get excited and
then might mention stuff. All the old

752
01:01:05.880 --> 01:01:10.559
locals, the old timers, they
will never report stuff to outside investigators.

753
01:01:12.039 --> 01:01:15.480
And it takes years of getting to
know people, of gaining their trust,

754
01:01:15.800 --> 01:01:21.280
of getting them to open up and
be forthright about their experiences for them to

755
01:01:21.519 --> 01:01:28.119
h to comment and to publicize these
things. So stuff is always burbling along.

756
01:01:28.960 --> 01:01:30.960
Of course, we do have peaks
and valleys and waves that occur.

757
01:01:31.480 --> 01:01:35.760
Right now, I think we're in
a low period. Generally, this time

758
01:01:35.800 --> 01:01:39.480
of year you see activity tail off
and then the end of August beginning of

759
01:01:39.480 --> 01:01:44.280
September it starts to pick up again. It's generally a bell curve around you

760
01:01:44.280 --> 01:01:49.679
know. The spring is heightened activity. It kind of tails off in the

761
01:01:49.719 --> 01:01:54.199
summer and then and then it raises
it's phenomenal head again in the fall.

762
01:01:54.679 --> 01:01:59.280
That's an in a regular year,
and we're an off year when it's really

763
01:01:59.320 --> 01:02:02.079
hot and heavy. Uh, those
are the times of the year that it's

764
01:02:02.239 --> 01:02:08.880
really intense, and the summer and
winter you'll have reports, but not as

765
01:02:08.920 --> 01:02:14.039
many. Project Yeah, you know, the Saint Louis Valley Camera and Monitoring

766
01:02:14.079 --> 01:02:21.000
project. It's part of a larger
project that uh, the Saint Louis Valley

767
01:02:21.039 --> 01:02:23.280
is going to be the litmus test, the first place where it's really uh

768
01:02:23.559 --> 01:02:29.360
you know, put out into the
field and become It will become operational later

769
01:02:29.400 --> 01:02:32.039
this summer and early fall. Basically, what we're doing is we're putting up

770
01:02:32.079 --> 01:02:39.960
a triangulated system, which means that
there'll be more than one camera, ideally

771
01:02:40.079 --> 01:02:47.039
three cameras, and each of these
cameras will have an accompanying package of sensing

772
01:02:47.079 --> 01:02:52.159
hardware that'll be sitting in a box
underneath it um and it'll all be connected

773
01:02:52.199 --> 01:02:59.760
to the Internet. Now, the
cameras are really the technology is amazing now.

774
01:03:00.199 --> 01:03:04.000
So for less than a thousand dollars
you can get a very very good

775
01:03:04.199 --> 01:03:07.920
high res camera. People say,
well, why don't you go four K

776
01:03:07.519 --> 01:03:13.800
because we don't have the data,
the pipeline for the data to go four

777
01:03:13.880 --> 01:03:17.639
K and you know we're going to
have some onboard recording, so high dep

778
01:03:19.119 --> 01:03:23.719
is is the extent of where we're
going visually optically. But we're going to

779
01:03:23.800 --> 01:03:29.199
have a system that's going to be
idling and it'll be able to go online

780
01:03:29.239 --> 01:03:36.000
and see the system going through what
we call a patrol routine where each camera

781
01:03:36.039 --> 01:03:38.480
will be going and then it'll shift
to another camera, shift to another camera.

782
01:03:38.480 --> 01:03:43.760
It will be kind of un standby, it'll be unidol And then we

783
01:03:43.880 --> 01:03:46.679
have an all sky camera which will
be sitting in the middle of the triangulated

784
01:03:46.800 --> 01:03:52.079
array, and that basically can see
the entire sky, and each of the

785
01:03:52.119 --> 01:03:57.280
pixels that are in that display of
the entire sky has a number of value

786
01:03:57.559 --> 01:04:03.559
and when something happens, that either
has the illuminance, the speed, various

787
01:04:03.599 --> 01:04:10.280
parameters that that alert us at something
unusual is happening. Immediately, that proximity

788
01:04:10.360 --> 01:04:14.239
data generated by the pixels will be
sent to the other cameras. They will

789
01:04:14.320 --> 01:04:19.920
swing around and focus on the event. So that's what we're going to be

790
01:04:19.960 --> 01:04:24.840
looking at optically, and then boom, you'll see we'll go from a low

791
01:04:24.880 --> 01:04:30.760
res idle status into a high res
status. The software we'll click on,

792
01:04:30.880 --> 01:04:34.880
we'll have recording, and then you'll
have targeting boxes that will appear around the

793
01:04:34.920 --> 01:04:41.840
object, and then the cameras will
then motion track the object so that if

794
01:04:41.840 --> 01:04:45.039
it moves to the left, the
cameras will move to the left, and

795
01:04:45.079 --> 01:04:46.719
then they'll try to If it stops
for a little bit, they'll try to

796
01:04:46.800 --> 01:04:51.199
zoom in. And so we're gonna
have three different angles at a single event.

797
01:04:51.639 --> 01:04:56.320
Now sitting underneath the camera. These
cameras, by the way, have

798
01:04:56.559 --> 01:05:03.559
a thirty six times optical zoom.
We can zoom in fairly close to the

799
01:05:03.599 --> 01:05:08.000
event. If it's you know,
within ten miles of the event, we're

800
01:05:08.000 --> 01:05:12.239
going to get some pretty good images. This will automatically zoom in, yeah,

801
01:05:12.280 --> 01:05:15.239
exactly. It depends the bounding box. If it sits still for long

802
01:05:15.360 --> 01:05:18.440
enough time, then we'll be able
to get a zoom on it. Now

803
01:05:18.519 --> 01:05:25.599
underneath the camera will be a series
of scientific monitoring equipment that will monitor changes

804
01:05:25.639 --> 01:05:30.920
in the Earth's magnetic field, changes
in the gravitational field. Will be monitoring

805
01:05:30.960 --> 01:05:35.159
temperature, humidity, wind speed,
temperature. Will be plugged into flight aware,

806
01:05:35.239 --> 01:05:41.880
so we're going to be factoring out
any transpondered conventional craft. Any lights

807
01:05:41.880 --> 01:05:45.119
in the environment are going to be
known in advance highways, street lights,

808
01:05:45.119 --> 01:05:50.079
house lights. They'll be massed out
and then we'll have two sets of images

809
01:05:50.199 --> 01:05:54.679
optically, one that'll have all our
data and a time code, and the

810
01:05:54.719 --> 01:05:59.719
other just with a time code and
the actual object. So it's never been

811
01:05:59.719 --> 01:06:03.920
done. We've had As I mentioned
earlier, Ray Stanford did attempt to do

812
01:06:03.960 --> 01:06:09.599
this. He had a two million
dollar single single operation with just a single

813
01:06:09.639 --> 01:06:13.320
set of gear. We're going to
be doing three different sets of gear.

814
01:06:13.840 --> 01:06:17.920
And it's historic. If we can
pull this off and then replicate some of

815
01:06:17.920 --> 01:06:25.599
our data and then make hypothesis,
you know, actually create a hypothesis and

816
01:06:25.639 --> 01:06:30.679
then get follow up data to substantiate
that hypothesis, we're gonna be able to

817
01:06:30.760 --> 01:06:36.360
have in conjunction with optical physicists,
theoretical physicists, we literally could theoretically light

818
01:06:36.480 --> 01:06:42.199
write papers for peer review. So
this this is a logical step forward for

819
01:06:42.679 --> 01:06:47.760
hard data monitoring and investigation of UFO
hotspot areas. And it's one thing to

820
01:06:47.800 --> 01:06:51.519
say, yeah, I was I
was in some special ops group and I

821
01:06:53.280 --> 01:06:56.760
you know, I when I was
in my early twenties, I autopsied three

822
01:06:56.800 --> 01:07:01.039
thousand aliens. It's another thing to
get magnetic gravityational and uh, you know,

823
01:07:01.199 --> 01:07:08.599
light spectra information from a uthological event
times three. Now when you say

824
01:07:08.639 --> 01:07:14.400
triangulate how how what? What type
of distance are we talking apart? Well,

825
01:07:14.400 --> 01:07:16.239
it depends on where our exact locations
are going to be This is still

826
01:07:16.239 --> 01:07:20.039
to be worked out, but we're
talking about a maximum of about forty to

827
01:07:20.119 --> 01:07:26.760
fifty miles per leg Wow. Okay, so you're going to have real zooming

828
01:07:26.840 --> 01:07:30.719
capability. Oh yes, Yeah.
And there's the valley is really neat because

829
01:07:30.760 --> 01:07:33.639
it's an open valley. There's no
there's no trees, there's very few trees

830
01:07:33.760 --> 01:07:39.239
or anything to block the view.
And then our main camera is going to

831
01:07:39.280 --> 01:07:44.320
be sixties seventy feet up on a
cell tower. Oh wow wow. Now

832
01:07:44.360 --> 01:07:49.800
has anyone ever um got really good
video of events that have happened there in

833
01:07:49.800 --> 01:07:55.519
the valley? Really good video?
No? Um, I did have some

834
01:07:55.800 --> 01:07:59.920
very very compelling video that was taken
into nineteen ninety five. Of course,

835
01:08:00.000 --> 01:08:04.440
it was stolen from the mail.
Priority Mail ensured the whole deal. Yeah,

836
01:08:04.519 --> 01:08:09.280
the guy, the postmaster at my
post office didn't even know where the

837
01:08:09.320 --> 01:08:14.559
form was to report a missing package
that had been registered and the whole thing.

838
01:08:14.559 --> 01:08:17.680
He goes, I've never had this
happen before. That was really good

839
01:08:17.720 --> 01:08:20.880
footage. It was of a translucent
object that was hovering over the center of

840
01:08:20.920 --> 01:08:26.800
the valley. You know. I
sent it to Sightings the TV show and

841
01:08:27.880 --> 01:08:31.159
sorry, Chris, it never arrived
so and nobody signed for it. It

842
01:08:31.239 --> 01:08:38.279
just disappeared in the ethers. Feel
figure. I have a night vision footage

843
01:08:38.399 --> 01:08:43.079
of third generation night vision footage of
thirteen objects, two groups, one of

844
01:08:43.159 --> 01:08:47.720
seven, one of six that come
together from different directions and then come together

845
01:08:47.800 --> 01:08:53.560
and merge for a while and then
split and take off some of them hovers,

846
01:08:53.600 --> 01:08:57.119
some go backwards. We were less
than four or five miles away.

847
01:08:57.119 --> 01:09:00.720
It was eight below zero when we
took the footage, and there was absolutely

848
01:09:00.720 --> 01:09:04.880
not a single sound. And these
things were close. And I've been holding

849
01:09:04.920 --> 01:09:09.760
onto this for quite a number of
years. I've most of my footage that

850
01:09:09.840 --> 01:09:13.239
I've taken has ended up on some
TV show or another over the years.

851
01:09:13.720 --> 01:09:18.319
This particular footage driving holding onto Yeah, yeah, so you actually saw this

852
01:09:18.600 --> 01:09:23.680
particularly, This is something I took. I took it myself. Thirteen objects.

853
01:09:23.680 --> 01:09:26.800
It's the most I've ever seen in
a single event. Wow. Now

854
01:09:26.840 --> 01:09:32.319
do you when you were in Colorado? Did juice bend like hours and hours

855
01:09:32.319 --> 01:09:38.760
and hours like skywatching so to speak? Yeah? I did. When things

856
01:09:38.760 --> 01:09:41.199
were happening, Yeah, I did. I spent a lot of time out.

857
01:09:41.239 --> 01:09:45.640
I've seen personally dozens and dozens of
events I had a phone tree set

858
01:09:45.720 --> 01:09:49.279
up in a network of skywatchers and
we would alert each other when things were

859
01:09:49.279 --> 01:09:53.720
going on. Oh wow, I
had as many as seventeen reports in a

860
01:09:53.760 --> 01:09:58.319
single day. So let's give you
an idea how how active we got now

861
01:09:58.439 --> 01:10:00.920
is it? Is it? Am
I thinking of the right places? So

862
01:10:00.079 --> 01:10:04.000
their UFO watchtower in the valley?
Yeah, it's uh yeah, it's right

863
01:10:04.039 --> 01:10:08.600
out right in the center of the
valley. In fact, one of our

864
01:10:08.640 --> 01:10:13.000
camera locations is theoretically going to be
very close to that. It is a

865
01:10:13.119 --> 01:10:17.199
perfect place to put a UFO watchtower. Unfortunately, Judy, the crazy lady

866
01:10:17.239 --> 01:10:20.359
that lives down the road, is
the tide of her book. It's very

867
01:10:20.399 --> 01:10:26.800
appropriate to my dad. Um.
She is not interested in doing the kind

868
01:10:26.840 --> 01:10:30.920
of you know, real meticulous documentation
of date, time, event, witness,

869
01:10:31.039 --> 01:10:34.560
name, location, you know,
nice description of the event. She

870
01:10:34.760 --> 01:10:40.960
likes to collect stories and she's got
a bunch of them. Uh she's collected

871
01:10:40.960 --> 01:10:44.960
over the years. And yeah,
it's uh. You know if people have

872
01:10:45.000 --> 01:10:45.920
asked me, well, what do
you think of the UFO watchtower, and

873
01:10:46.000 --> 01:10:49.279
say, well, if I was
going to put a UFO watchtower in someplace,

874
01:10:49.800 --> 01:10:54.319
that would be where I'd put it. Because it is front rows.

875
01:10:54.439 --> 01:10:59.560
Yeah and there. I actually had
her on the show one time way back.

876
01:11:00.039 --> 01:11:04.720
But are there actually people that do
see Yeah, yeah, yeah,

877
01:11:04.840 --> 01:11:10.399
there's I can't remember she charged innthing
by donation if you want to stay at

878
01:11:10.399 --> 01:11:13.560
her little campground. I think she
charges so for a hook up and stuff.

879
01:11:13.560 --> 01:11:17.399
But it's been a while since I've
visited. Uh old Judy, She's

880
01:11:18.079 --> 01:11:21.560
she's a real character. Yeah yeah, So again, we're taking calls if

881
01:11:21.560 --> 01:11:26.479
anyone would like to call in.
Let's see Bobby, who can't call in

882
01:11:26.560 --> 01:11:30.600
because he's working. Uh but he's
he can type anyway while he's working.

883
01:11:31.439 --> 01:11:38.680
Wasn't Chris watching a game during the
Phoenix sightings? I was okay, I

884
01:11:38.760 --> 01:11:42.319
was working. I was living in
Colorado in March of ninety seven, and

885
01:11:42.880 --> 01:11:47.000
in February, my brother and I
had a Adobe plastering company and we would

886
01:11:47.000 --> 01:11:54.319
do real super high quality Adobe natural
Adobe finishes. And one of the Americopa

887
01:11:54.399 --> 01:12:02.159
County Commissioners, Dolly Archiletta or at
your area, she got a variance from

888
01:12:02.199 --> 01:12:06.960
the Building Commission to build a straw
bill in Maricopa County. So we were

889
01:12:06.960 --> 01:12:11.239
called down to to do all the
finish work, and so we spent two

890
01:12:11.239 --> 01:12:15.039
months down there, and uh,
right in the middle of our of our

891
01:12:15.479 --> 01:12:18.399
you know work, two months work
tread I was getting ready the following day

892
01:12:18.439 --> 01:12:25.720
to go have dinner with Stephen Greer
and Tom King and Jim Delatoso and Shery

893
01:12:25.720 --> 01:12:29.479
adam Acum friends who were down there. We were all going to get together.

894
01:12:29.520 --> 01:12:31.479
And I think it was March eighteenth. And on March seventeenth, I

895
01:12:31.560 --> 01:12:36.159
was watching Arizona State in the sweet
sweet sixteen I think, and we were

896
01:12:36.159 --> 01:12:41.359
inside our motel room watching the game, and we were hearing hooping and holler

897
01:12:41.399 --> 01:12:43.840
and coming from outside, you know, the other rooms. We thought,

898
01:12:43.880 --> 01:12:46.079
you know, hey, other people
were watching the game because it was Arizona.

899
01:12:46.119 --> 01:12:48.840
I was down in Arizona. I
was in Cossack Ground, which is

900
01:12:48.920 --> 01:12:57.720
between Phoenix and Tucson right on I
ten there and uh and then right they

901
01:12:57.720 --> 01:13:00.199
burst into the game, you know, during I think it was at the

902
01:13:00.239 --> 01:13:02.079
end of the third quarter or whatever, and they said, oh, we

903
01:13:02.159 --> 01:13:05.399
have this special news bulletin. You
know. I'm standing here in front of

904
01:13:05.439 --> 01:13:10.479
the Australla Mountains and looked behind me, you see these uh, strange lights

905
01:13:10.520 --> 01:13:13.000
and and we're thinking, oh,
any minute, that's going on just up

906
01:13:13.039 --> 01:13:15.600
the road. So we all ran
outside and there are people out there going,

907
01:13:16.119 --> 01:13:18.199
oh man, you should you too, had to run out here.

908
01:13:18.199 --> 01:13:21.680
About twenty minutes ago. They flew
right over and we're like, oh,

909
01:13:24.039 --> 01:13:27.600
we were inside watching the NCAA,
you know, Sweet sixteen and missed it

910
01:13:27.600 --> 01:13:31.319
and flew right over the motels.
So oh, well that, I'm sure

911
01:13:31.359 --> 01:13:35.880
you probably hurt. Um of Oh
god, who was it that was flying

912
01:13:35.880 --> 01:13:44.119
their airplane? Kurt Russell, Yeah, I did, But that there's there's

913
01:13:44.359 --> 01:13:47.279
there's still a lot of confusion about
that because a lot of the film that

914
01:13:47.319 --> 01:13:50.720
you see out there is actually the
flares right. Um. I don't know

915
01:13:51.000 --> 01:13:57.680
if there's any real solid You would
think with ten thousand people approximately would see

916
01:13:57.720 --> 01:14:01.600
something. Somebody would even pre sell
phone. Some people were out there because

917
01:14:01.600 --> 01:14:10.119
of Hilbop Yeah, Hilbop hilpop yeah. And so they were out watching that,

918
01:14:10.239 --> 01:14:14.560
and you couldn't ask for more of
an audience. Really, Go figure.

919
01:14:15.279 --> 01:14:19.399
Ron Riguerre, who helped design our
DSP spy satellite, who wrote the

920
01:14:19.439 --> 01:14:25.359
engineering manuals for the I think the
optical portion of the satellite. He actually

921
01:14:25.479 --> 01:14:30.560
checked the logs for that night and
there was an event log that started in

922
01:14:30.720 --> 01:14:34.279
Henderson, Nevada, and went all
the way down the Prescott Valley and then

923
01:14:34.840 --> 01:14:40.680
kind of made a slight turn to
the direct south over. Phoenix went down

924
01:14:40.680 --> 01:14:45.119
to Tucson and made a right angle
turn and went off to the west towards

925
01:14:45.199 --> 01:14:48.640
Yuma, and then it disappeared down
around the gold Water for hu Chaca and

926
01:14:49.000 --> 01:14:54.880
the Goldwater Gunnery ranged down there well
Chocolate Mountains. The last time I had

927
01:14:55.960 --> 01:15:01.720
Peter Davenport on the show, he
was telling me that when he was getting

928
01:15:01.720 --> 01:15:06.840
calls about the Phoenix lights, he
said that there was someone that was estimating

929
01:15:08.159 --> 01:15:13.840
at being up to eight miles wide. Did you hear people talk about the

930
01:15:13.880 --> 01:15:16.199
size of it that, yeah,
I had two miles is about I think,

931
01:15:16.239 --> 01:15:25.680
what what what is the closest approximation
in terms of taking everybody's everybody's descriptions.

932
01:15:26.039 --> 01:15:29.039
Uh, I think two miles would
be would be the most accurate,

933
01:15:29.079 --> 01:15:31.199
which is absolutely crazy if you think
about it, you know what I mean,

934
01:15:31.680 --> 01:15:34.359
I mean, if that's ours,
I mean, yeah, the argument

935
01:15:34.399 --> 01:15:38.920
that you know, people say that
it was probably something military, I mean,

936
01:15:39.479 --> 01:15:42.279
it doesn't really make any sense.
So I had someone on the show

937
01:15:42.359 --> 01:15:45.760
recently that says, you know,
where would they have something that was two

938
01:15:45.800 --> 01:15:47.520
miles or well, if it was
yeah, I mean, if it was

939
01:15:47.600 --> 01:15:53.600
lighter than air, you could you
could theoretically house something like that I just

940
01:15:53.640 --> 01:15:58.079
deflated, but or take the helium
out or whatever. Yeah, whatever,

941
01:15:58.119 --> 01:16:01.640
the lighter than air gas was but
it was a physical object according to Ron

942
01:16:01.720 --> 01:16:08.000
Riguerre. And you know, he's
someone that was above there would be no

943
01:16:08.079 --> 01:16:13.079
reason for him to to fabricate acclaim
like that, right right, They have

944
01:16:13.119 --> 01:16:15.720
to pull it a little closer to
the MIC's here, all right, And

945
01:16:16.039 --> 01:16:21.880
so let's talk about you're talking.
You're talking about this camera unit that you

946
01:16:21.880 --> 01:16:24.920
want to get out there. What's
the name? And where can someone?

947
01:16:25.000 --> 01:16:27.399
I know, what's on your website, right, someone can go see that.

948
01:16:27.680 --> 01:16:30.359
You know, we're we're at the
point right now where we're finishing up

949
01:16:30.399 --> 01:16:36.840
the triangulation software programming, which will
be for the next couple three weeks.

950
01:16:38.279 --> 01:16:42.560
Then we're going to have a go
fund me campaign to pay for the rest

951
01:16:42.560 --> 01:16:45.880
of the equipment, and that'll be
starting in about three to four weeks,

952
01:16:46.960 --> 01:16:51.279
right around the end of July,
third to fourth week of July, and

953
01:16:51.319 --> 01:16:57.199
then I'm slated to go out in
August out to the valley and get the

954
01:16:57.239 --> 01:17:01.680
initial installation process going, and with
money, I can pay people and not

955
01:17:01.760 --> 01:17:06.079
have to rely on people's you know, doing favors for me or you know,

956
01:17:06.199 --> 01:17:11.039
dragging their feet. It's it's been
a twelve year process of relying on

957
01:17:11.479 --> 01:17:16.680
people's you know, doing new favors, and I just would rather go out

958
01:17:16.720 --> 01:17:21.600
there with a budget, you know, and be sitting there tapping my foot

959
01:17:21.640 --> 01:17:28.159
looking at my watch while people are
you know, getting paid to do what

960
01:17:28.279 --> 01:17:30.520
needs to be done, and that
is to climb towers and get these things

961
01:17:30.560 --> 01:17:35.159
in. Yeah, you know,
speaking of projects and funding and all that,

962
01:17:35.199 --> 01:17:40.760
I've just wondered if any listener that
here's this knows any updates on the

963
01:17:40.840 --> 01:17:44.560
Cube sat. The Cube sat was
supposed to be launched. They raised I

964
01:17:44.600 --> 01:17:49.239
think twenty thousand dollars through a fund
situation, and all these people were getting

965
01:17:49.239 --> 01:17:54.159
a lot of airtime and I haven't
heard a single thing. So if anyone

966
01:17:54.199 --> 01:17:58.199
has information about that, you can
actually call in if you're listening live,

967
01:17:58.439 --> 01:18:01.920
or send me an email at Martin
at podcast ufo dot com. That was

968
01:18:01.960 --> 01:18:05.279
only what for just a few months, so right right, but it was

969
01:18:05.399 --> 01:18:09.920
to go up. We have a
caller caller, thanks for calling in.

970
01:18:10.000 --> 01:18:14.159
Please I'll give us your first name, and where are you calling from?

971
01:18:14.560 --> 01:18:16.560
Hey, Martin, this is Ryan
from South Carolina. Oh, hey Ryan,

972
01:18:16.600 --> 01:18:19.079
how are you? Hey? How
you doing? O? I don't

973
01:18:19.079 --> 01:18:21.479
calling it a bad time. I
was no name, I'll call in.

974
01:18:21.960 --> 01:18:25.399
No, I don't. I wasn't
sure if there was a good spot.

975
01:18:26.000 --> 01:18:31.079
Yeah, yeah, nope. You
have a question for our guest, Yeah,

976
01:18:31.199 --> 01:18:41.279
um about going back to the cattle
mutilations. And I kind of apologize

977
01:18:41.319 --> 01:18:44.920
because I was distracted early on in
the show from something else. And I

978
01:18:45.199 --> 01:18:50.039
assume your guest whiles the cattle mutilations
are from horror from aliens? Is that

979
01:18:50.119 --> 01:18:56.560
in my understanding that correctly, that's
what the popular perception is because of the

980
01:18:56.600 --> 01:19:00.520
efforts of Linda Moulton Howe and Chuck
Sikowski, Margie k and others that have

981
01:19:00.600 --> 01:19:06.760
been touting this explanation as the go
to rationale for these cattle to be discovered

982
01:19:06.800 --> 01:19:11.560
in the in the shape that they're
discovered in, and I disagree. I've

983
01:19:11.640 --> 01:19:15.600
looked at all the data that's available, and uh, the cases that you

984
01:19:15.640 --> 01:19:24.199
can even equate weird lights or some
sort of craft are just you know,

985
01:19:24.520 --> 01:19:29.960
maybe ten percent at the most.
The other ninety percent are, in my

986
01:19:30.079 --> 01:19:35.880
estimation, uh, done by humans, very very skillful uh decisions, but

987
01:19:36.000 --> 01:19:41.800
done by sharp cutting implements. Uh. Not. Many animals are drained of

988
01:19:41.880 --> 01:19:45.319
blood. For instance, there's,
of course, there's the popular misconception that

989
01:19:45.760 --> 01:19:51.319
all these animals are drained of blood
and that aliens are gathering blood and uh

990
01:19:51.399 --> 01:19:57.640
in fluids for hybridization of their dying
race and stuff. And right there.

991
01:19:57.680 --> 01:20:01.680
And the one thing about about the
blood, um, that is something you

992
01:20:01.760 --> 01:20:04.239
do here. A lot people talk
about that, but I want to ask

993
01:20:04.279 --> 01:20:10.079
you, is it because the naturally
blood will settle to the bottom exactly.

994
01:20:10.239 --> 01:20:13.119
It's called gravity. It's happening,
right. Yeah. I don't know how

995
01:20:13.119 --> 01:20:15.760
many cases I went out in the
ranch says oh yeah, they're drained this

996
01:20:15.800 --> 01:20:16.479
thing of blood, and I go, yeah, well yeah, here,

997
01:20:16.760 --> 01:20:20.479
help me out and we'll flip the
thing over and whoosh, it'll all come

998
01:20:20.520 --> 01:20:26.239
out. If you cut into the
meat and the meat is slightly pink but

999
01:20:26.479 --> 01:20:29.760
mostly gray, then the animals been
drained to blood. Now, I have

1000
01:20:29.920 --> 01:20:33.359
had some cases where the animals been
drained of blood, but they're rare.

1001
01:20:33.600 --> 01:20:40.000
In the exception, the whole idea
that aliens are coming to you know,

1002
01:20:40.079 --> 01:20:44.319
drain animals of blood, and all
this is to me is ludicrous. If

1003
01:20:44.319 --> 01:20:46.239
they wanted that, why don't they
just pick the lock on a on a

1004
01:20:46.279 --> 01:20:50.600
slaughter house and go in at night
and there's vats and vats of blood in

1005
01:20:50.640 --> 01:20:58.279
there. It just does It's to
me, the alien theory is sensational,

1006
01:20:58.479 --> 01:21:01.520
it's mystery mongering. We don't have
the data to back it up. There's

1007
01:21:01.520 --> 01:21:08.199
no evidence whatsoever to support that particular
conclusion. But we have a ton of

1008
01:21:08.199 --> 01:21:12.680
evidence to support the conclusion that humans
are involved. How about all the cases

1009
01:21:12.680 --> 01:21:16.560
where four hundred plus helicopter reports have
been filed, or the cases where animals

1010
01:21:16.560 --> 01:21:23.720
have been shot with firearms and mutilated, or cases where we've had barbiturateus coagulants,

1011
01:21:23.720 --> 01:21:31.319
anticoagulants, mescaline in one case,
and arkansaw nicotides. All kinds of

1012
01:21:31.359 --> 01:21:40.640
different types of drugs and other foreign
substances have been found when these animals have

1013
01:21:40.760 --> 01:21:45.279
been when they've done workups on these
animals. So there's a huge body of

1014
01:21:45.279 --> 01:21:53.880
evidence that supports any other conclusion that
has human beings attached to it. Another

1015
01:21:53.960 --> 01:21:57.840
question, Ryan, Yeah, Well, just to follow up comic, because

1016
01:21:57.880 --> 01:22:01.880
you know, if he said he
this was from alien ga. My follow

1017
01:22:01.960 --> 01:22:05.239
up question questioning what's going to be
You know, if if it's aliens,

1018
01:22:05.239 --> 01:22:09.279
I mean, why did they always
leave so much of it behind? You

1019
01:22:09.319 --> 01:22:13.560
would think that alien race coming here, it would take the whole thing.

1020
01:22:13.640 --> 01:22:16.359
I should rather just take a little
chunk and go running off and lead the

1021
01:22:16.359 --> 01:22:21.199
rest, because yeah, you're operating
under the assumption that, yeah, they

1022
01:22:21.239 --> 01:22:25.319
want to conceal their presence here.
I mean, obviously they don't announce it.

1023
01:22:25.319 --> 01:22:27.680
Well, why would they take a
chunk and then gently leave the rest

1024
01:22:27.720 --> 01:22:30.800
and jump in the ship and take
off. That's that's never made much sense

1025
01:22:30.840 --> 01:22:33.319
to me. Well, yeah,
and you're absolutely correct. The very fact

1026
01:22:33.359 --> 01:22:41.920
that the animals are left behind creates
a scenario plausible deniability for whatever human groups

1027
01:22:41.960 --> 01:22:45.079
are involved. And there are multiple
groups, by the way, this isn't

1028
01:22:45.119 --> 01:22:50.880
one human group. I think there's
multiple groups with different agendas, possibly overlapping.

1029
01:22:51.199 --> 01:22:55.960
And the reason why they leave them
behind is very simple. Back in

1030
01:22:56.119 --> 01:23:01.079
seventy seventy one, when these cases
really start to get get noticed and reported,

1031
01:23:01.319 --> 01:23:06.840
the animals were being stolen and there
was such an uproar in the ranching

1032
01:23:06.880 --> 01:23:13.119
community that you know, helicopters are
being fired at and you know, the

1033
01:23:13.319 --> 01:23:18.600
utility powerline helicopters, National Guard helicopters
were being targeted by ranchers who are mad

1034
01:23:18.600 --> 01:23:21.439
as hell, and they weren't going
to take it anymore. And so in

1035
01:23:21.840 --> 01:23:26.880
seventy two we had not a single
catamutilation case. And I think that's when

1036
01:23:26.880 --> 01:23:30.560
they figured out that, hey,
if we leave the animals there, there

1037
01:23:30.600 --> 01:23:33.399
won't be a police report, there
won't be grand theft. You know,

1038
01:23:33.439 --> 01:23:38.479
there will be plausible deniability. We
can always say it was it was scavenging.

1039
01:23:39.199 --> 01:23:44.720
We can always say that we're blaming
on on ritual cultism or or a

1040
01:23:44.720 --> 01:23:49.560
Satanists or something, and that that
creates a veneer of fear And what can

1041
01:23:49.600 --> 01:23:56.039
you accomplish by by going to a
very patriotic portion of our population. Ranchers

1042
01:23:56.079 --> 01:23:59.199
are some of the most militant people
we have in our country. Look at

1043
01:23:59.199 --> 01:24:04.159
the Bundy standoff for instance. Ranches
are are more prone to you know,

1044
01:24:04.239 --> 01:24:09.239
being members of Patriot Goose for instance. So if you mutilate their cows and

1045
01:24:09.359 --> 01:24:14.239
leaving behind, you're also manipulating,
you know, the society. You're actually

1046
01:24:14.239 --> 01:24:21.680
creating fear and uh and you're you're
kind of creating a system of control using

1047
01:24:21.760 --> 01:24:27.359
paranoia and terror tactics, uh by
by you know, targeting people's livestock.

1048
01:24:27.479 --> 01:24:30.680
So, you know, I think
it's uh now, you're not hearing about

1049
01:24:30.720 --> 01:24:34.039
these cases very much. Ranches know
that there's no point in reporting them.

1050
01:24:34.399 --> 01:24:39.560
I think very very few cases now
that occur or being reported. Only the

1051
01:24:39.680 --> 01:24:44.239
cases where the rancher thinks he's been
victimized by the government now are the ones

1052
01:24:44.319 --> 01:24:49.520
that tend to be reported. Very
interesting. All right, hey, Ryan,

1053
01:24:49.600 --> 01:24:54.279
thanks for the call. Okay,
thanks for taking it. All right,

1054
01:24:55.119 --> 01:25:00.000
take care okay, all right,
So in the chat Shane from Australia

1055
01:25:00.239 --> 01:25:03.000
UH used to be on all the
time. It's good to see him in

1056
01:25:03.039 --> 01:25:08.119
here. He is asking the ones
that are not drained of blood. Are

1057
01:25:08.159 --> 01:25:12.680
there ever any toxicology reports on the
animals? Yeah? Yeah, there are

1058
01:25:13.359 --> 01:25:16.600
not as many as we'd like.
Normally, these animals aren't found for at

1059
01:25:16.640 --> 01:25:19.399
least two or three or four days, and so by the time that they

1060
01:25:19.399 --> 01:25:24.680
are found, usually during the warmer
months, they're already starting to rot and

1061
01:25:24.720 --> 01:25:28.720
go necrotic, and so there's no
point in attempting to try to, you

1062
01:25:28.760 --> 01:25:32.399
know, do a knee cropsy or
or call a pathologist to come out and

1063
01:25:32.439 --> 01:25:35.560
look at the animal. You know, let's face it, the rancher has

1064
01:25:35.600 --> 01:25:41.199
already lost his investment. Why would
he spend hundreds of dollars on a lost

1065
01:25:41.279 --> 01:25:45.279
investment. So it's it's very ingenious. The way the thing unfolds, it's

1066
01:25:45.760 --> 01:25:51.000
it's almost self nullifying in many ways. Uh, yeah, amazing. The

1067
01:25:51.399 --> 01:25:56.359
whole thing is is bizarre. And
when I had never heard before until tonight

1068
01:25:56.479 --> 01:26:00.479
about you know, going back in
history so far. Yeah, you know

1069
01:26:00.880 --> 01:26:05.000
that there were there was a UM
and I think for someone that is plain

1070
01:26:05.079 --> 01:26:13.720
skeptical, most of people will claim
that it was um, say scavenger or

1071
01:26:13.760 --> 01:26:19.039
something, but you have actually seen
with your own eyes, h the precision

1072
01:26:19.119 --> 01:26:23.399
cutting. Yeah, that just can't
be explained. Well, well, the

1073
01:26:23.399 --> 01:26:27.199
first thing I look for a number
one is is cut hair follicles. It

1074
01:26:27.239 --> 01:26:30.560
doesn't matter what kind of scavenger it
is, insect, bird, uh,

1075
01:26:30.600 --> 01:26:34.840
you know, the fore leg environment, whatever, they're not going to be

1076
01:26:34.920 --> 01:26:39.720
able to cut hair in a straight
line. Uh you know, kyote is

1077
01:26:39.760 --> 01:26:42.840
that really bad breath, but not
that bad. They they're not that talented.

1078
01:26:43.239 --> 01:26:46.560
And birds they can't they can't cut
hair follicles in a straight line.

1079
01:26:46.880 --> 01:26:53.159
They tear the flesh in between the
hair. Uh. And so the first

1080
01:26:53.159 --> 01:26:56.159
thing I do, and I've been
trying to get our you know, these

1081
01:26:57.159 --> 01:27:00.960
newer Johnny completely investigators, uh,
you know, to to wake up and

1082
01:27:01.680 --> 01:27:06.720
use some very very good uh you
know, feel the investigative techniques to determine

1083
01:27:06.760 --> 01:27:12.119
the high strange nature of a case
and if the thing has cut hair follicles,

1084
01:27:12.159 --> 01:27:17.119
something with intelligence and with tools did
that. And the other thing that

1085
01:27:17.159 --> 01:27:21.039
I used to do is when I
would arrive at a mutilation site, the

1086
01:27:21.079 --> 01:27:27.199
more pristine the better. Obviously,
the first investigator out of the out of

1087
01:27:27.199 --> 01:27:31.560
the vehicle would be my brother's Pyrenees
dog, and Cato would go out and

1088
01:27:31.640 --> 01:27:38.760
immediately investigate the entire scene, and
we we very carefully note all his animal

1089
01:27:38.840 --> 01:27:44.319
reactions to the animal, and we'd
uh and we would make notes where he

1090
01:27:44.439 --> 01:27:47.920
pissed, because that would tell us
exactly where the coyotes were. And so

1091
01:27:47.960 --> 01:27:53.199
then we'd be able to instantly zero
in on any coyote tracks and find out

1092
01:27:53.199 --> 01:27:59.239
how how close they came to the
actual scene around the animal. So,

1093
01:28:00.119 --> 01:28:03.239
yeah, there's animals, you know, especially dogs. Yeah, they could

1094
01:28:03.239 --> 01:28:09.119
smell some dogs and smell parts per
trillion, uh, and on quite a

1095
01:28:09.199 --> 01:28:13.960
number of cases, Cato, you
know who normally is he was a great

1096
01:28:14.000 --> 01:28:17.279
parent. He's he's not afraid of
anything, anything at all. And the

1097
01:28:17.399 --> 01:28:20.399
very few cases where he would go
out and he'd get down wind of the

1098
01:28:20.439 --> 01:28:25.640
thing and you could see the hair
standing up, and he'd come back to

1099
01:28:25.680 --> 01:28:29.560
the car, yeah, or the
truck, I should say, wow,

1100
01:28:29.720 --> 01:28:33.560
uh and yeah, there's only a
few. But most of the time he

1101
01:28:33.560 --> 01:28:38.119
would have no fear at all,
and he'd he'd run around and any place

1102
01:28:38.159 --> 01:28:42.359
of couty, would piano bush or
something, he would have to add his

1103
01:28:42.439 --> 01:28:49.600
little postcard or whatever. So how
many cases that have you actually physically investigated

1104
01:28:49.720 --> 01:28:57.560
that did have cut hair follicles,
like you're saying, it's it's it's tough

1105
01:28:57.640 --> 01:29:03.960
to say without going back through the
records, but probably at least a dozen

1106
01:29:04.159 --> 01:29:10.079
fifteen maybe that had actual cut hair
follicles. There were a few others that

1107
01:29:10.079 --> 01:29:16.479
it was it was equivocal. There
were a few, but not It's the

1108
01:29:16.520 --> 01:29:19.319
cases that happened in the wintertime,
when the horse, when the horse of

1109
01:29:19.359 --> 01:29:24.560
the cow, when their hair is
long, then you can tell easily.

1110
01:29:25.600 --> 01:29:28.880
When it's during the warmer months,
it's a little bit more difficult to tell,

1111
01:29:30.119 --> 01:29:38.119
and quite Frankly, I really didn't
like getting as close to the incisional

1112
01:29:38.159 --> 01:29:42.159
areas as you have to get to
really determine that. And it's my least

1113
01:29:42.199 --> 01:29:45.239
favorite thing to do in the world, be around a thousand pounds of rotting

1114
01:29:45.279 --> 01:29:48.720
animal flesh. It's not for everybody, right, right, So we have

1115
01:29:48.760 --> 01:29:51.000
a caller on the line. Caller, your first name? Where are you

1116
01:29:51.079 --> 01:29:56.640
calling from? Hi, guys,
It's Andy from Stratford, Connecticut. How

1117
01:29:56.640 --> 01:29:59.640
are you doing? Hi, Andy, Welcome to the show. Do you

1118
01:29:59.720 --> 01:30:02.560
have a Mark good show? What's
that? Yeah? I just wanted to

1119
01:30:02.600 --> 01:30:10.319
hear I'm always interested to hear an
experts thoughts on what their opinion is on

1120
01:30:10.359 --> 01:30:15.600
a connection between as I'd asked earlier
in the chat room. Uh, these

1121
01:30:15.640 --> 01:30:20.520
military, you know, rural farming
sites and ranches, is what the connection

1122
01:30:20.600 --> 01:30:30.399
might be. They all share things
in common, Native American tribe, military,

1123
01:30:30.039 --> 01:30:34.119
rural, you know, and so
on. And I'll take your answer

1124
01:30:34.119 --> 01:30:38.039
off the air, but just want
to know if what he thinks the connection

1125
01:30:38.119 --> 01:30:41.159
might be. That's it, Thanks
guys, Thank you, thanks for the

1126
01:30:41.159 --> 01:30:45.159
call. All right, sure,
Well, I've I've I've talked about a

1127
01:30:45.279 --> 01:30:50.800
formula that I've kind of adopted from
doctor Lewis Turrey who came up with a

1128
01:30:50.920 --> 01:30:56.199
kind of a rough idea of how
to identify a hotspot area or an area

1129
01:30:56.239 --> 01:31:00.479
that has more activity and a variety
and intensity of activity more than other areas.

1130
01:31:01.199 --> 01:31:05.479
You know, like Sedona is the
Verde Valley area there, miss and

1131
01:31:05.560 --> 01:31:12.479
Louis Valley, parts of the Hudson
River Valley, around White Sands in New

1132
01:31:12.520 --> 01:31:16.960
Mexico that you went to, Basin, around Mount Adams, around Mount Shasta.

1133
01:31:17.079 --> 01:31:21.920
There are hot spot areas parts of
the Mojave, Joshua Tree, etc.

1134
01:31:23.720 --> 01:31:29.319
And one thing that I've found is
that there are commonalities that exist in

1135
01:31:29.439 --> 01:31:33.079
all these areas. Number One,
they have a history of unusual occurrences that

1136
01:31:33.199 --> 01:31:39.680
go back into prehistory. There are
Native American legends about either flying sea pods,

1137
01:31:39.680 --> 01:31:46.239
flying shields, sky people, kachinas. There are waves of unexplained activity

1138
01:31:46.279 --> 01:31:51.119
that eb and flow through the area. There are Native American sacred sites that

1139
01:31:51.760 --> 01:31:58.359
are found there. There's unusual geophysical
properties like we were talking about before,

1140
01:31:58.800 --> 01:32:02.479
the proximity of a maximum field strength
in the rise, magnetic field, gravitational

1141
01:32:02.560 --> 01:32:11.399
lows areas where you have earthquake vaults, that sort of thing. And there

1142
01:32:11.560 --> 01:32:15.439
is a government presence. The government
is definitely interested in these areas, whether

1143
01:32:15.479 --> 01:32:23.880
they have facilities there, whether they
do training routes there. They always seem

1144
01:32:23.920 --> 01:32:27.039
to have an interest in the area, and they're trying to get more control

1145
01:32:27.840 --> 01:32:33.000
of the airspace of the actual land
itself. Bradshaw Ranch in Sedona was appropriated

1146
01:32:33.039 --> 01:32:38.960
by the government. There's areas in
the unter base and that seem to have

1147
01:32:39.359 --> 01:32:43.640
unusual amounts of military interest in government
interests. So if you put those five

1148
01:32:43.800 --> 01:32:47.520
different things together, and an area
has and features all five of those things,

1149
01:32:47.520 --> 01:32:50.039
you have a hotspot area, and
that's a place where I'd like to

1150
01:32:50.079 --> 01:32:59.039
get a triangulated camera and instrumented scientific
instrument array set up there. Ultimately,

1151
01:32:59.399 --> 01:33:02.720
we're hoping to have these things spread
all around North America in hotspot areas and

1152
01:33:02.760 --> 01:33:06.840
then branching out into other parts of
the world as well. Have you thought

1153
01:33:06.880 --> 01:33:12.600
about how to keep up any vandals
away from you know, like there's so

1154
01:33:12.680 --> 01:33:15.600
much hiking and all of a sudden
they come across this camera, They're going

1155
01:33:15.640 --> 01:33:17.720
to be curious. You know,
They're going to be in secure areas and

1156
01:33:17.960 --> 01:33:20.720
there's none of these things are going
to be out in the open just for

1157
01:33:20.760 --> 01:33:26.840
somebody to stumble on. They're going
to be you know, either on people's

1158
01:33:26.880 --> 01:33:30.399
porches, on their roofs, on
cell towers and people. Well, what

1159
01:33:30.479 --> 01:33:32.960
if the government decides to take it
out, and I say, well,

1160
01:33:33.000 --> 01:33:36.720
that's great. I hope they do, because then that'll give me information.

1161
01:33:38.399 --> 01:33:44.159
They'll be prompted to do that because
they think I captured some data. And

1162
01:33:44.199 --> 01:33:46.560
if I captured some data and they
take the camera out, then that'll alert

1163
01:33:46.600 --> 01:33:49.640
me to the fact that I'm onto
something. So I think that they're going

1164
01:33:49.720 --> 01:33:53.359
to try to fool us. I
think they're gonna play cat and mouse.

1165
01:33:53.600 --> 01:33:56.159
I think they're gonna see how much
that they can get away with, whether

1166
01:33:56.199 --> 01:34:00.560
we misinterpret or or you know,
somehow miss and strew. Uh, you

1167
01:34:00.600 --> 01:34:05.000
know, maybe some black project that
they they they trot out, or maybe

1168
01:34:05.039 --> 01:34:09.520
some sort of hologram technology to see
if it fools us. Um. I

1169
01:34:09.520 --> 01:34:12.399
think the I think they're gonna actually
try to have some fun with us,

1170
01:34:12.800 --> 01:34:15.439
and it's gonna be Tom and Jerry, you know, the old cat and

1171
01:34:15.520 --> 01:34:18.199
Mouse game. Uh, And I'm
looking forward to it. I think it's

1172
01:34:18.199 --> 01:34:21.520
great if they do take it out, if they if they zap it with

1173
01:34:21.560 --> 01:34:27.600
a particle beam weapon or a laser
or something like that. That means that

1174
01:34:27.640 --> 01:34:30.960
we've we've found something and all we
have to do is go back and look

1175
01:34:30.960 --> 01:34:33.880
at and look at at our data
and see what it is that that that

1176
01:34:34.039 --> 01:34:39.800
got them all nervous. Well,
that hearkens back to the Paul Benowitz case

1177
01:34:39.840 --> 01:34:42.159
in a way. Yeah, you
know, I mean that's what happened to

1178
01:34:42.279 --> 01:34:45.479
him. Yeah, exactly with him, you know, because he was seeing

1179
01:34:45.560 --> 01:34:48.760
something. Maybe it had nothing to
do with UFOs, but it definitely had

1180
01:34:48.920 --> 01:34:53.560
something to do with a very strong
interest. Well, I think he was

1181
01:34:53.600 --> 01:34:58.239
picking up some of the early digital
burst transmissions as I think the audio signals

1182
01:34:58.239 --> 01:35:00.960
that he was picking up. That's
I guess, because that was right when

1183
01:35:01.000 --> 01:35:08.880
those uh when digitized you know,
super compressed blips of digital data were being

1184
01:35:08.880 --> 01:35:13.520
transmitted, and I think that he
may have accidentally stumbled on some of those.

1185
01:35:14.119 --> 01:35:18.439
Some of his the color photographs and
Chris Lambright's book X descending some of

1186
01:35:18.439 --> 01:35:25.840
those color photographs of the lighting arrays
that he was able to photograph out over

1187
01:35:25.880 --> 01:35:30.279
the Kyote Canyon area, which is
right you know, where the old Manzano

1188
01:35:30.199 --> 01:35:34.680
weapons storage facility, which had I
think more nuclear weapons stored there than any

1189
01:35:34.680 --> 01:35:39.520
other spot. In America. Um, I think that that's all very compelling

1190
01:35:39.600 --> 01:35:44.319
stuff. Yeah, yeah, I
know that whole ex descending what a great

1191
01:35:44.359 --> 01:35:49.439
book actually raised braiseds happen. But
yeah, that's that's actually how I first

1192
01:35:49.439 --> 01:35:53.960
met Chris. I read his book, and we stay in touch. He

1193
01:35:54.439 --> 01:35:58.680
might be listening. He does listen
to the show. Um, okay,

1194
01:35:58.920 --> 01:36:03.319
I was just picking up what I
thought was a question. But um so,

1195
01:36:03.880 --> 01:36:09.000
uh, you know, and it's
very unfortunate what happened to Paul to

1196
01:36:09.199 --> 01:36:13.119
Paul Benowitz. And uh, I
don't know if you've been following this at

1197
01:36:13.159 --> 01:36:18.119
all, but I'm shocked by what
Richard Doughty is out there doing. Have

1198
01:36:18.199 --> 01:36:21.520
you seen any things he's talking about
healing? Well, we had him on

1199
01:36:21.560 --> 01:36:26.279
the Pacast and yeah, he did
a full two hours. I think it

1200
01:36:26.359 --> 01:36:30.039
was the third show he ever did. I think he did Coast to Coast

1201
01:36:30.039 --> 01:36:32.800
twice and then he did US.
Wow, that was a real coup.

1202
01:36:33.960 --> 01:36:40.039
Yeah, and uh, you know, I mean Walter Bosley as someone else

1203
01:36:40.079 --> 01:36:44.479
that was you know, X a
FOSI and counterintelligence guy. And you know,

1204
01:36:44.520 --> 01:36:46.920
Walter has been very upfront saying,
look, there's some things that you

1205
01:36:46.960 --> 01:36:50.680
know, we just have to be
on the lookout for if if we think

1206
01:36:50.720 --> 01:36:56.920
that you know, China or Russia
is trying to trying to get information about

1207
01:36:56.920 --> 01:37:00.800
classified projects, and we're gonna have
to, you know, out a counter

1208
01:37:00.840 --> 01:37:08.119
surveillance efforts to ascertain whether there's some
some you know industrial or you know,

1209
01:37:08.520 --> 01:37:13.520
technological aspionage going on. And uh. And so when someone like a Benewitz

1210
01:37:13.560 --> 01:37:16.000
comes along and says, look,
I got these recordings of these weird audio

1211
01:37:16.800 --> 01:37:20.479
signals, and I've got these strange
photographs, and the fact that he was

1212
01:37:20.520 --> 01:37:27.399
putting the analysis and spin on it
that it was et gave them a perfect

1213
01:37:28.000 --> 01:37:31.960
uh, you know sort of way
to approach him, and uh and and

1214
01:37:33.399 --> 01:37:38.600
feed that fantasy to keep them away
from thinking that maybe it's it's some side

1215
01:37:38.600 --> 01:37:43.239
of classified Air force or project out
at SANDA there on Curtland Air Force Base.

1216
01:37:43.319 --> 01:37:47.279
So uh, going the extra yard
and driving the guy crazy and moving

1217
01:37:47.279 --> 01:37:51.319
his furniture around, which dot he
denies, by the way, and um

1218
01:37:51.319 --> 01:37:55.199
and you know, putting the groceries, you know, out of one cabinet

1219
01:37:55.199 --> 01:37:59.520
in the other, and some of
the other things that Greg Bishop mentioned in

1220
01:38:00.079 --> 01:38:04.319
his very very good book Project Beta
about the Benewit's case. I think that

1221
01:38:04.319 --> 01:38:10.319
that uh was going a little bit
overboard myself. And if somebody's a little

1222
01:38:10.319 --> 01:38:15.960
twitchy to begin with and and prone
to uh to maybe getting delusional and developing

1223
01:38:15.000 --> 01:38:19.119
mentalist you know, health issues.
Um, I think I think it's uh

1224
01:38:19.199 --> 01:38:27.359
the responsibility of of counterintelligence officials and
officers and in case case officers to you

1225
01:38:27.399 --> 01:38:30.119
know, to not be in a
position to be able to be blamed for

1226
01:38:30.239 --> 01:38:35.760
guys losing his uh, you know, his sanity. It's very very unfortunate,

1227
01:38:35.840 --> 01:38:41.880
and uh there's you know, you
can't you can't make excuses to you

1228
01:38:41.920 --> 01:38:45.760
know, to explain away that kind
of uh over overreached on the fact that

1229
01:38:45.920 --> 01:38:49.920
by the by the government. So
what type of conversation did you have with

1230
01:38:50.239 --> 01:38:56.000
Richard Dodi about Paul Was he willing
to speak about what? Hell? Yeah,

1231
01:38:56.079 --> 01:39:00.079
yeah, in fact, he's he
mentioned something I totally forgotten from Greg's

1232
01:39:00.079 --> 01:39:05.800
book that they noticed that there was
somebody watching them. They're they're like surveilling

1233
01:39:06.720 --> 01:39:11.520
beneuits. Then they realized there's a
house across the street that's that's empty,

1234
01:39:11.560 --> 01:39:14.960
that nobody lives in. There's there's
there's movement and stuff in there, and

1235
01:39:15.000 --> 01:39:17.560
so they they did, uh,
you know, they punked who it was

1236
01:39:17.600 --> 01:39:21.439
and they found out it was the
NSA or some other agency that was monitoring

1237
01:39:21.479 --> 01:39:29.319
them. So you don't know how
deep the rabbit hole actually goes now.

1238
01:39:29.399 --> 01:39:35.039
But the I watched some part of
a um of a movie. I think

1239
01:39:35.039 --> 01:39:44.319
it was the latest Stephen Career movie, um Baby watch it. Excuse me,

1240
01:39:45.199 --> 01:39:51.520
Lee forced me to watch it.
But Richard Doughty is on there saying

1241
01:39:51.840 --> 01:39:58.520
talking about like these things are real
aliens on on that movie. That movie,

1242
01:39:58.640 --> 01:40:00.560
he moved my mind. He he
was saying that too. I mean,

1243
01:40:00.560 --> 01:40:03.439
come on, once you're you know, in the business of of lying

1244
01:40:03.600 --> 01:40:08.680
for a living. Uh yeah,
how how you know, how is anybody

1245
01:40:08.680 --> 01:40:13.920
going to take you seriously? The
whole Surpo thing that happened Victor Martinez.

1246
01:40:14.000 --> 01:40:18.520
If you've ever gotten on Victor the
Wizard's email list, it's really tough to

1247
01:40:18.520 --> 01:40:21.840
get off, you know. He
I don't know how many people out there

1248
01:40:23.119 --> 01:40:26.920
lettening know about the Surpo thing,
which is, if you remember back to

1249
01:40:27.000 --> 01:40:31.600
Close Encounter of the Third Kind,
the thirteen astronauts in the orange jumpsuits that

1250
01:40:31.680 --> 01:40:36.000
got aboard the ship. The whole
Surpo thing is a story that surfaced in

1251
01:40:36.039 --> 01:40:41.159
two thousand and four and five.
I think that this actually happened, and

1252
01:40:41.279 --> 01:40:45.199
that two of the people died and
I think one was left behind or two

1253
01:40:45.199 --> 01:40:49.239
were left behind on surpo, which
is I think in Zata reticulate. It's

1254
01:40:49.279 --> 01:40:53.199
just all a bunch of it's just
you know, how do you do that

1255
01:40:53.319 --> 01:41:00.439
in in uh this is a family
show. Yeah, it's it's all just.

1256
01:41:00.800 --> 01:41:05.800
I mean, it's hiding your grandma's
basement with some vasoline material. It's

1257
01:41:05.840 --> 01:41:12.960
just not it's not worth the paper
it's printed on. There's so many holes

1258
01:41:13.439 --> 01:41:15.079
in that. And and Doughtie,
of course, he says, oh,

1259
01:41:15.119 --> 01:41:20.760
I had nothing to do with that. But the email that divulge the information

1260
01:41:20.800 --> 01:41:25.359
and correct me if I'm wrong here
was they were able to trace it back

1261
01:41:25.359 --> 01:41:30.920
to him in the original email that
Martinez got or something like that. I

1262
01:41:30.920 --> 01:41:35.279
mean, it's the stuff is so
taddy. I really try to stay above

1263
01:41:35.319 --> 01:41:39.960
the fray and not pay much attention
to it. But and then Dulcie,

1264
01:41:39.960 --> 01:41:43.600
of course, I'll, I'll was
distraction. Yeah, yeah, that was

1265
01:41:43.640 --> 01:41:46.520
all beneuits being led astray. He
said, yeah, he flew up there

1266
01:41:46.560 --> 01:41:50.920
and saw a spaceship on the top
of the Mesa And I mean I lived

1267
01:41:51.159 --> 01:41:56.439
pretty close to Dulce for fourteen years. But there are some weird things going

1268
01:41:56.479 --> 01:41:59.920
on. Sure, there's some weird
things going on there. But the thing

1269
01:42:00.039 --> 01:42:03.920
that most people are familiar with,
the hickory, well that's that's all.

1270
01:42:04.000 --> 01:42:06.960
That's for the outside people. That's
just to keep everybody, you know,

1271
01:42:08.039 --> 01:42:11.800
looking in the wrong direction. The
thing that spooks the Indians the most are

1272
01:42:11.840 --> 01:42:15.520
the little two foot dwarves that are
seen all over the place there right in

1273
01:42:15.600 --> 01:42:19.840
town. They jump on cars in
the parking lot of casino and in the

1274
01:42:19.880 --> 01:42:25.600
bigfoot siding. Hoyt Vladi, who
was ahead of the Department of Public Safety

1275
01:42:25.640 --> 01:42:29.760
there for years. I've known him
for many years. You know. He

1276
01:42:29.840 --> 01:42:32.199
went out, he says, on
at least one hundred bigfoot reports, including

1277
01:42:32.239 --> 01:42:35.600
one event that he had happened right, you know, up close and personal

1278
01:42:36.000 --> 01:42:40.640
on his own ranch. So and
when I was up there in two thousand

1279
01:42:40.680 --> 01:42:44.279
and nine, I saw some really
good footage. I wish whoever it was

1280
01:42:44.319 --> 01:42:46.439
and had the cell phone footage would
release it. That's some of the best

1281
01:42:46.439 --> 01:42:49.760
footage I've ever seen. Thing ran
right across the road. It didn't look

1282
01:42:49.800 --> 01:42:56.119
like some Indian junk Indian in a
big wookie suit either. I mean,

1283
01:42:56.319 --> 01:43:00.000
it was impressive. You can see
the whites of the underneath of the feet.

1284
01:43:00.720 --> 01:43:03.239
You know, it was running away
in the headlights. So you know,

1285
01:43:03.279 --> 01:43:08.840
the whole dulce thing is to me, it is, but there is

1286
01:43:08.880 --> 01:43:13.760
some one of the weird things there. I actually, uh Bill Burns,

1287
01:43:14.359 --> 01:43:16.520
you know UFO Hunters. Some people
may like that show, so I may

1288
01:43:16.560 --> 01:43:24.000
not. I personally like Bill Burns. Um and he they saw this strange

1289
01:43:24.840 --> 01:43:28.479
half cow half something else. I
don't know if you ever saw that show,

1290
01:43:28.960 --> 01:43:33.680
but it was really really bizarre.
This uh it was a cow game

1291
01:43:33.760 --> 01:43:36.479
bird. It was, yeah,
it was. It was like a genetic

1292
01:43:36.760 --> 01:43:42.079
it was just a weird deformed gaf. I mean that's yeah. I mean,

1293
01:43:42.359 --> 01:43:48.520
you know, I because of the
way these these animals, uh you

1294
01:43:48.560 --> 01:43:56.079
know, some of them are able
to uh become friendly with their own progeny

1295
01:43:56.119 --> 01:44:00.279
and stuff. Um, you know, occasionally in some of these closed words,

1296
01:44:00.720 --> 01:44:05.239
you'll you'll get some pretty interesting genetic
deformities and stuff, and uh,

1297
01:44:05.880 --> 01:44:10.279
we never want to rule that out. It's just like, um, you

1298
01:44:10.319 --> 01:44:18.680
know the Ata Colma baby. It
was definitely you know, it's it's untill

1299
01:44:18.760 --> 01:44:24.319
sue you. That's true. Yeah, he hasn't yet. And uh,

1300
01:44:24.600 --> 01:44:29.079
if anyone looks really hard. On
YouTube, you can find a spoof I

1301
01:44:29.119 --> 01:44:34.880
did on uh on Stephen greer Um
on the Ata Colma Baby. So just

1302
01:44:35.000 --> 01:44:39.880
check it out on YouTube see only
karaoke I've ever done. It sounds like

1303
01:44:39.960 --> 01:44:45.840
a rap song at a coma baby. Actually, Ump, we just lost

1304
01:44:46.079 --> 01:44:57.000
I just lost hang on okay,
so um here we're back. Okay,

1305
01:44:57.039 --> 01:45:00.520
I thought we lost the connection here. Good good um. So On the

1306
01:45:00.560 --> 01:45:08.520
topic of liars is Shane from Australia
again on the topic of liars. That's

1307
01:45:08.520 --> 01:45:13.560
a good opening to have an opinion. Do you have an opinion on Bob

1308
01:45:13.640 --> 01:45:23.279
Lazar documentary? A documentary coming out
on him fairly so much Corbell was doing.

1309
01:45:23.840 --> 01:45:26.199
I don't know what to make a
lazzar. I think he may have

1310
01:45:26.279 --> 01:45:30.640
been profiled in his psych psych profiles. I think he did work out there.

1311
01:45:31.439 --> 01:45:36.399
I think he did have some experiences, but I think he may have

1312
01:45:36.560 --> 01:45:42.199
they may have set him up because
he maybe fit some sort of profile for

1313
01:45:42.279 --> 01:45:45.439
someone that would see things, and
even though he wasn't supposed to say anything

1314
01:45:45.479 --> 01:45:49.439
about it, he may have come
out in his profile that he would talk.

1315
01:45:49.880 --> 01:45:55.640
So maybe they set him up for
some really good disinformation so that he

1316
01:45:55.640 --> 01:46:00.199
would then approach John Lear and then
you know, approach George Knapp and over

1317
01:46:00.239 --> 01:46:06.439
that whole disclosure of those area fifty
one secrets came out. My eyes glaze

1318
01:46:06.479 --> 01:46:13.159
over when I when I hear the
name Babalas are Richard Doti or some of

1319
01:46:13.159 --> 01:46:16.039
these people, I'm I'm into the
really trying to get to the bottom of

1320
01:46:16.039 --> 01:46:21.600
this stuff by by exercising, you
know, the powers of diagnostic science.

1321
01:46:23.560 --> 01:46:26.920
The people's stuff really leave me cold, especially when it's the government trying to

1322
01:46:27.840 --> 01:46:34.239
get people to propagate memes and and
disinform the public. I really have no

1323
01:46:34.319 --> 01:46:39.720
time for that. There's someone that
had just wrote and I don't know if

1324
01:46:39.720 --> 01:46:43.119
this is I don't have any proof
of this. It's just so what someone

1325
01:46:43.159 --> 01:46:45.880
wrote in the chat rooman I'd like
to if someone can send me a link,

1326
01:46:45.920 --> 01:46:51.399
I'm interested to see it that doctor
Greer is accusing Nolan of academic of

1327
01:46:51.640 --> 01:46:58.279
academic fraud and is uh there's a
court action pending. If someone can send

1328
01:46:58.279 --> 01:47:04.319
that, I'm interested. Who now
Nolan was Martin Nolan? I think I

1329
01:47:04.359 --> 01:47:08.039
think I thought us first name was
that, but it maybe something else.

1330
01:47:08.359 --> 01:47:12.439
He was one of the doctors involved
in out at Stanford. That's right,

1331
01:47:12.520 --> 01:47:15.159
yeah, yeah, well, good
luck without Stephen. I've been telling Stephen

1332
01:47:15.760 --> 01:47:19.960
at least way back when I first
met him, over twenty five years ago.

1333
01:47:20.439 --> 01:47:25.079
In fact, I presented a little
talk about the San Luis Valley.

1334
01:47:25.119 --> 01:47:30.479
He was visiting in the valley with
some super wealthy high roller types, including

1335
01:47:30.640 --> 01:47:34.000
Lawrence Rockefeller's right hand man, and
I had been fighting a brush fire and

1336
01:47:34.119 --> 01:47:36.199
was late, and I was not
in a good mood. And when I

1337
01:47:36.239 --> 01:47:41.840
walked in and he started in on
his you know, messianic thing, I

1338
01:47:42.319 --> 01:47:47.520
interrupted him three times and said,
Stephen, your message is way more important

1339
01:47:47.760 --> 01:47:55.319
than you are. And that's you
know, people say, what do you

1340
01:47:55.319 --> 01:47:59.279
think about Stephen Greer? His message
is way more important than he is?

1341
01:47:59.600 --> 01:48:03.359
And who the hello elected him human
kinds ambassador to the universe, and who

1342
01:48:03.399 --> 01:48:09.239
gives him the right to train people
in charge him god godly, ungodly amounts

1343
01:48:09.239 --> 01:48:14.000
of money to become human kinds ambassadors
to the universe. To me, it's

1344
01:48:14.039 --> 01:48:16.840
just, you know, it's called
ye, it's ludicrous. And yeah,

1345
01:48:16.880 --> 01:48:23.760
and to charge them h for taking
pictures of the spaceship that you can't really

1346
01:48:23.800 --> 01:48:27.560
see that he's I don't know,
yeah, well, I you know,

1347
01:48:27.680 --> 01:48:31.439
don't get me you know that's Will
Cocky And I think now we're getting into

1348
01:48:31.479 --> 01:48:38.159
the realm of the whistleblowers. And
uh, you know that's where I get

1349
01:48:38.560 --> 01:48:43.079
in trouble when I start talking about
these these uh you know, P.

1350
01:48:43.239 --> 01:48:48.359
T. Barnum types capitalizing on suckers
born every minute. I have no time

1351
01:48:48.399 --> 01:48:53.159
for that. Bs. We only
have a few minutes left. But you

1352
01:48:53.159 --> 01:48:59.159
you were mentioning, you're thinking,
um that one of the ones that you

1353
01:48:59.199 --> 01:49:03.560
went, we got three it's to
wrap here, so um contact in the

1354
01:49:03.600 --> 01:49:11.960
desert. You you're just seeing that
things are just new aging. Is that

1355
01:49:12.000 --> 01:49:16.319
what it is? It's it's people
that are so rapidly in the place of

1356
01:49:16.479 --> 01:49:23.119
wanting to believe that they're looking for
anything that supports some sort of weird,

1357
01:49:23.359 --> 01:49:28.720
dysfunctional narrative that they have in their
brain about what's going on. And so

1358
01:49:29.159 --> 01:49:33.840
David Wilcock and these others are presenting
people that are filling in blanks and narratives

1359
01:49:33.840 --> 01:49:38.640
that have already false narratives that have
already been presented. And now these people

1360
01:49:38.640 --> 01:49:43.159
are coming along and they're filling in
blanks. They're they're they're they're fleshing out

1361
01:49:43.199 --> 01:49:48.159
the the meme, if you will, and it's all entertainment. There's nothing

1362
01:49:48.199 --> 01:49:51.680
to back any of this stuff up. Emery Smith, show me your DT

1363
01:49:51.800 --> 01:49:57.039
two fourteen, your separation agreement with
with the with the government. Show me

1364
01:49:57.159 --> 01:50:00.359
that. Let me see it tells
you where you were, how long you

1365
01:50:00.399 --> 01:50:05.239
were there? Everybody it's been in
the military house one. Where's yours?

1366
01:50:05.279 --> 01:50:09.479
Three thousand aliens? You autopsy?
Right? And how old are you?

1367
01:50:10.119 --> 01:50:15.079
You don't look like you're even forty? Now are you actually? Are you

1368
01:50:15.119 --> 01:50:20.239
actually witnessing them? Him saying this? Did you witness him? Versus just

1369
01:50:20.319 --> 01:50:26.079
something you think? I would waste
my precious time listening to this guy.

1370
01:50:26.159 --> 01:50:29.199
I just take cliff notes from other
people going oh, yeah, you should

1371
01:50:29.199 --> 01:50:31.640
have heard what he said. He's
so yeah, he's autopsy and aliens.

1372
01:50:31.680 --> 01:50:36.479
It's like, okay, whatever,
you know. David Wilcock will come up

1373
01:50:36.479 --> 01:50:39.880
with some You know, Corey Good
was the last one. Now we have

1374
01:50:40.079 --> 01:50:44.479
Dan Marie Smith, and Pete Peterson
was the one before Corey Good, and

1375
01:50:44.600 --> 01:50:47.920
Dan burrsh was the one before that. This is all a bunch of disinformation

1376
01:50:48.159 --> 01:50:51.000
bs. As far as I'm good, sir, there's no proof to back

1377
01:50:51.039 --> 01:50:56.159
any of it all. There's always
I think from the very beginning though,

1378
01:50:56.319 --> 01:51:01.039
in the UFOs in particular the contacting
Even then, there's always been this sort

1379
01:51:01.039 --> 01:51:04.159
of fringe Eleman, that's all.
I think we'll always be there. But

1380
01:51:04.479 --> 01:51:11.079
do you think it's growing in?
Yeah, it's like a virus. Yeah.

1381
01:51:11.119 --> 01:51:15.600
And what would you say to like
the listener to protect themselves from it?

1382
01:51:15.760 --> 01:51:18.920
Just you know, for advice,
what would you say? Well,

1383
01:51:19.319 --> 01:51:24.800
first of all, you know,
question everything. Yeah, don't believe anything.

1384
01:51:24.880 --> 01:51:28.920
Don't suspend your disbelief just because you
want it to be true. Number

1385
01:51:28.960 --> 01:51:32.600
one, do do diligence, do
your research, find people that you respect

1386
01:51:33.039 --> 01:51:36.720
and that are objective, that aren't
going to give you a bill of goods

1387
01:51:36.760 --> 01:51:42.760
and fill your head with bad science
fiction, and do your own research.

1388
01:51:42.840 --> 01:51:48.399
Don't sit in your armchairs and believe
and accept everything at face value. Yeah.

1389
01:51:48.479 --> 01:51:51.520
Yeah, oh no, no,
I agree. So if someone wanted

1390
01:51:51.560 --> 01:51:58.720
to contact you, are you do
you engage with Yeah? Absolutely? Yeah,

1391
01:51:58.920 --> 01:52:02.079
go to our Strange planet dot com. It's a strange planet, Martin,

1392
01:52:02.479 --> 01:52:08.800
It's our strange planet. And then
very soon we'll have some announcements about

1393
01:52:08.800 --> 01:52:14.600
the go fund me campaign for the
Sandwis Value Monitoring Project, and also we're

1394
01:52:14.600 --> 01:52:18.680
going to have a website and the
streaming, you know, the actual images

1395
01:52:19.079 --> 01:52:25.399
the patrol function will be the streaming
twenty four seven. Well, great,

1396
01:52:25.600 --> 01:52:29.239
excellent, Hey Chris, thanks so
much. Hi. Thanks for the lobster

1397
01:52:29.399 --> 01:52:32.319
Man. Yeah that was great.
Yeah all right, So all right,

1398
01:52:32.359 --> 01:52:38.359
so everyone, we are going to
call it a night. Thank you so

1399
01:52:38.439 --> 01:52:43.199
much for listening or watching on YouTube
or over at kg r A Radio.

1400
01:52:43.800 --> 01:52:50.680
We'll be back next week as always. And next week's guest and I just

1401
01:52:50.760 --> 01:52:56.600
want to make sure I have that
right because that is Jennifer Stein. So

1402
01:52:56.640 --> 01:53:00.039
we're going to be talking a little
bit about crop circles. That'll be kind

1403
01:53:00.079 --> 01:53:02.680
of interesting. I saw her,
you know, I've been larious kind of

1404
01:53:02.680 --> 01:53:05.600
like the cattle mutulations. I don't
know if there's any I don't really see

1405
01:53:05.600 --> 01:53:13.039
any connection. But Linda, I
mean, Jennifer does such a great presentation.

1406
01:53:13.119 --> 01:53:14.840
I said, you know, I'd
love to have you on your show

1407
01:53:15.279 --> 01:53:17.439
to hear you do that again because
it was really good. This is when

1408
01:53:17.439 --> 01:53:23.359
I saw her out in out in
Phoenix. So thank you so much everyone,

1409
01:53:23.399 --> 01:53:29.359
and thanks for listening at KGr A
Radio. And I want to thank

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people that helped out with the show. First of all, Evan for helping

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out behind the scenes. I want
to thank Peggy for managing the Facebook page

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race over at KGr A Radio and
I know I'm forgetting people, but thanks

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for listening. You're the most important. Couldn't do the show without you.

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And remember to keep your eyes to
the sky, in your ear to the ground.