Hello, and welcome to the show. I'm Martin Willis your host, and
we have a fun show for you this evening. I have Chris O'Brien.
Great you followed us for many years. He actually made the truck out here.
He's living in New York currently and made the trek up here. He's
currently I don't know if he's going to say this, but he's currently eating
a lobster in the guesthouse right now. So he'll be over and be joining
us in a bit before that. I have Alejandro Rojas with the UFO updates,
and we are on kg r A Radio and it's a real pleasure to
be on that station. We're also on YouTube live and you can also even
see it on our website and over at KGr A Radio, and so we're
going to be talking about all kinds of things tonight. By the way,
I do appreciate anyone that helps us out. Anyone that supports the show,
thanks so much, and anyone anywhere can help us out. That information is
on my website podcast UFO dot com. And also we have a conditional blog
writer who's going to be sending us some blogs, so we'll see how that
goes. So check that website out. Also, there's a UFO sightings page,
and if you had a UFO sighting and you want to remain anonymous,
we have an anonymous form to fill out. There's some pretty good sightings and
check that out when you get some time. So that's it for me blabbing
away. Alejandro, welcome to the show. Thank you, thank you.
Yeah, Chris will be coming in walking in any minute, when he finishes
his dinner. He's in one of the libraries, because you there's several libraries
right right, we're talking about this in a state. Yeah, it's kind
of a crazy place. There's four of them. Whoa. Yeah, but
anyway, place you don't how to work. I'd never own a place like
this if I could never afford a place like this, if it didn't need
so much work. That's all. That's all I got to say. Isn't
haunted? Not yet? Really white libraries, it seems haunting's come with them.
Well, I plan to haunt the place, you know, So okay,
I'll take care of that. Yeah, yeah, that's okay. So
what's going on with the UFO news this week? UFO news. Let's see,
there was some ruckus that was made by mister Frank Kimbler. So Kimbler
is a guy, and we broke this story it open minds that TV.
Actually he is a earth sciences and geology teacher at the high school and college
level at the Military Institute in New Mexico, which happens to be in Roswell.
It's it's really cool if you if you've been to Roswell, you could
see this at this estate. It's cool. In fact, sometimes there are
events that were held at their big auditorium. They have this big old auditorium
where with plays and stuff they used to hold neat place. So Frank years
ago, something like maybe ten years ago, he moved out there to teach
at this military institute, and he decided, hey, you know, since
this is my specialty geology and stuff, it might be kind of fun to
look into this whole Roswell thing and see if there's anything to it. He
decided what he would do is look at satellite photos or aerial photos of the
land where the alleged crash site was and see if he sees anything interesting.
Well, he did. He found some areas that he thought looked like they
were maybe burnt, and he thought that would be interesting that if they burned
an area to kind of get rid of debris and stuff. So he focused
on these areas, took his metal detector, and he found a lot of
you know, mundane stuff, but he did find some things that were interesting.
One of those pieces he took to a lab essentially to get analyzed,
and he did this in conjunction with the UFO Museum out there. Sure enough,
they came back and the isotopic research was kind of different. There are
a lot of different analysis that can happen. And there's some people that were
like, how come we didn't do this analysis or that analysis? And he
did do several and but most of those, like electro my scrub Tree,
I always get that word mix up. Essentially, what those will do don't
look at the components and the elements of the metal. But and that's interesting,
but for the most stuff, you know, all the space stuff is
all the same. You know, what we have in our solar system is
what's in all the other solar systems. So what you really need to look
for is something that looks to be manufactured in a manner that we couldn't have
done, and something that was off world that comes from you know elsewhere.
So sure enough, this first analysis that he had done showed it was not
material from this planet, but it was a manufactured material. So that's very
promising. I mean, that's the key, that's what we're looking for.
It was in the area of error, very far off. And the thing
is is that you know, they give you okay, it could be error,
but the whole point is we don't make errors like this big, so
there's no way we don't take it to an error, but it could be.
So we needed further analysis done. And I've helped him with a couple
situations that have just been weird that didn't work out. He's had a couple
of situations he's worked with, including with Bigelow, and that didn't really work
out. So he's on the brink. He's had some more analysis done and
he's had he's got some more on the way, and he feels he's very
close to that This stuff is, you know, et in nature, and
he didn't even want to tell anybody until recently because you know, and the
reason why he came out about it just the other day is that the BLM
came knocking at the door and said, hey, you know, this was
BLM land where you collected this stuff. We want to take a look and
make sure you're doing the right thing. And Frank kind of freaked out.
I mean, he got scared as you could imagine, you know, the
prospect of all this work kind of going down the tubes and them taking the
material away. He was really scared, although he did follow their rules.
There's a handbook that talks about the rules. We posted it on our story
it open minds dot tv, and he did follow the rules. You can
take material as long as it's a reasonable amount. And of course he hasn't
taken much, and not even a pound worse probably, and it has to
be historically or culturally significant, and this material has not proven to be that
yet. Hopefully Frank will prove it to be that, and then you know,
the BLM would then have a legitimate case to take it. But of
course, if they said this was significant and they did take it, that
would prove Frank's point that it was interesting. So he was freaking out because
they wanted to look at it this morning or yesterday morning on Monday. And
so I have an update, which is that they did look at it.
Frank says they didn't take anything away from him. So he's happy about that,
but he's still kind of scared because he says they still might at any
moment, they could do that. So and the reason this all came about
is interesting too, because the Roswell festivals coming up at what next weekend,
not this weekend, at the next weekend, the weekend after July fourth,
and I'll be there speaking, of course, at the museum as usual,
or I'm always speaking there somewhere. And what happened is they were going to
take people to the site and BLM caught wind of that, said, hey,
wait, you can't take a bunch of people out there. You gotta
check with us before you have any events or anything. And we don't want
this area trampoline and it's not necessarily that easy to get to anyway, and
so they were denying them, and the people were like, well, you
Frank went out there, and that's how they were like, Oh, yeah,
Frank, who's this Frank? We want to talk to this Frank guy.
And so that's kind of how this all came about. Wow, so
are you gonna be hearing from him eventually? You know? Well I did
hear from That's it. And he said, yeah, they're not taking anything,
but he's still worried that they could. All right, I'm sorry,
I just got a little distracted here. I didn't catch that part up.
Sorry, Um, did you get lost in the library? No? No,
no, just Chris came in and uh, we have to change something
real quickly. So I'm gonna have to get up for a second. But
Chris is right here. Say hi, Chris. Hey, Brian, I
haven't talked to you in a while. Yeah, it has been a little
while, and you've been traveling around. I haven't did Oh man, boy,
it's been been a lot of miles here in the last month. Yeah.
I did conflict in the desert. Yeah, that was inflicting with people.
That's kind of what you do. No, no, no, it's
just they had me tucked away in in a small, dark little room.
Uh, so that I didn't come out and uh, you know, harm
anybody or insult anybody. Yeah, well that's a good thing, but I
still I ended up getting in trouble. So yeah, I'm sure, but
I mean it is it can be difficult, especially at that event, because
there are some pretty strange things. Being sad and I mean I've even been
prey where you know, people want me to say that there was an alien
that was a guest in my talk or something like that, and it was
like, no, no, no. And I think I don't know if
they genuinely believe those things, but I think they kind of do, at
least some people they do. They do. Let me, let me,
let me assure you they do. This is the title flats where the New
Age washes over and then recedes at low tide on the beach of Upology,
and it's it's a very very frightening experience to be subjected to the type of
energy to borrow the parlance, the type of energy that pervades these types of
events. Of course, this year was the first year that they were indoors
at quite a fancy place, and I unfortunately had the job of mastering,
editing and mastering all the talks as they came hot off the count. And
I was working six computers at once for one which of about seventeen hours a
day for four days. It was a madhouse. Yeah, that's a lot
of work. Yeah, but but it was you know, I mean,
what can I say? You know, it was yeah, eye opening,
yeah, eye opening. Um, potentially not as educational as you would like,
you know, um, lectures to be but eye opening nonetheless, and
unlike you said, it can be. I mean it's a bit scary.
This the kind of fringe ideas and the kind of unsubstantiated kind of belief can
be fun and interesting too at times, but especially in more recent times there's
time to work, it does get a little more frightening. Um, I
call it. You know, you've heard of a hitchcocky and right, well
this is wilcocky and I love that. And d I coined the coin.
I should trademarket because it's definitely appropriate. Yeah, yeah, I mean there's
just some people like speculation and smipulation for speculations sake, and that's great,
but it's not speculation, it's it's it's claims that are off the charts that
I'm sorry, I don't I don't believe that. Emory Smith autopsy, three
thousand aliens. I'm sorry, you know. Sorry. No, Yeah,
well I'm back, um, and thank you, Chris. We'll be bringing
you back in. Yeah, now that you went away, we were able
to know you session that generate it happens. Yeah, So uh so,
anyway, anything else cooking in the UFO topic that you want to talk about
an I guess we've kind of talked about everything else it's gone on, you
know, on dennif Geek. I guess the only addition I have to this
whole limit situation is that I did write a story recently and it does have
some input from Louise Elizondo and Leslie Kane. And I think what's really interesting
from Jeremy Corbell because I think he's going to have some really interesting stuff coming
out soon and he is. I mean, he's got some great interviews that
he's been doing on Facebook, so those are really cool. Check those out.
And these are witnesses due some of these events, including David Fraber,
who is the jet fighter pilot you know, at this two thousand or San
Diego thing, which we've all heard from him, but Jeremy knows him very
well. So this is more in depth and more lengthy than other interviews considering
that he's one of these people that are very cautious because I've tried to get
a hold of him and I haven't heard anything from him. Yes, yeah,
yeah, he's he's cautious, which is good, you know, I
think is a good thing. You know, I think it's good too,
and it's great that Jeremy is kind of the guy he's talking to you,
at least because Jeremy is a friend of hires that he keeps us surprised of
stat right, and um, so that's really cool. Okay, I just
I just got a notice he's gonna be live Friday night. I can't see
that text that was from hang on just a minute, um, um he
is going to be you know, it didn't come up here. Um anyway,
I guess that's gonna be on KGr A radio. That's what I've just
gathered by a text that flew over on Skype, which I can't seem to
get a hold of. But anyway, Um, I'm sure you'll find out
about that if you go to KGr A dot com. Note the notice should
be up there on that website. So Aljandro, thanks so much for for
for being here as always, Thank you, my friend. All right,
and we'll talk to you next week, all right, see Chris, you
guys talking to you all right. Well, I guess our guest doesn't really
need too much of a introduction. Yeah, I do, a lot of
people don't know who the hell this guy is are you kid? All right,
I'm just gonna bring you in. Uh. We're talking about stalking the
herd. All kinds of a great research you've done places you if you've lived
in quite quite a few amazing places. Welcome to the show. It's good
to be back in Maye after thirty one years. Thirty one years and then
I was only here once, just for an afternoon wow, and uh,
I must say thank you so much. I arrived there was a hot,
steaming lobster waiting for Yeah. Right, I broke the news to everybody.
Oh man, I was. I didn't know if if I gave you more
than one lobster, I might not see you. No, I'd probably gone,
Yeah, that would have been too much. I probably wouldn't been able
to make it, make it across the parking lot there, right right,
So go ahead and let the uh go ahead, and let the hum the
listeners know who the heck you are. Well, I'm one of those guys
that wears helmets and flak vests and spends a lot of time in the trenches.
I as I've gotten older, I've spent more and more time in the
armchair. But all through the nineties I happened to be sitting and living in
one of the most amazing anomalist areas in North America, with a variety and
intensity of unusual experiences reported by locals there that pretty much is unrivaled anywhere I
think in North America. You know, it's just everything from flying humanoids to
you know, occult crime, bigfoot, trooping fairies, every type of UFO,
imaginable, secret military bases underground, uh, you know, military bases,
all kinds of strange individuals that shall remain nameless. It's just it's just
an amazing place. The Sand Louis Valley, of course, is what I'm
talking about. Many of my people that do know my work are familiar with
the valley. It's the world's largest alpine valley. It sits in the south
central Colorado north a very extreme northern central New Mexico area. It's like the
backbone of North America, America's Tibet. Some Tibetan Buddhists that visited called it
that it's radar invisible blow eighteen thousand feet it's about one hundred and forty miles
long and totally surrounded by mountains, and it's just an absolute paranormal Disneyland.
When I moved there, I knew that things had gone on there in the
past. Of course, the most famous incident would be the first publicized unexplained
livestock death or catamulation, even though Snippy the horse wasn't a cow. That's
right. I knew about the place all the way back to sixty seven.
Whiles a little kid, I remember reading about the flying saucers coming down and
snipping Snippy. And when I moved there in eighty nine, I thought that
all that stuff was ancient history, and I often, you know, it's
kind of nosing around a little bit, and then all of a sudden having
a quite an upwelling of activity in the area. And ninety two I got
involved in really investigating reports that were coming in and the fact that I was
a local with a local phone number, and people knew. They eventually got
the idea that I wasn't going to be a judgementell and exploit them and violate
their request frandonimity credit them when they wanted credit for photographs and uh in reports
and stuff. You know, people started to feel, I think a little
bit more comfortable that there was someone local there, and it's just the upwelling
of It's just it was astounding how many how many reports I was able to
investigate in a ten year period, well over I must have investigated I don't
know, around twelve hundred bona fide reports, out of which about seven eight
hundred ended up in my database. I have a database of unusual, unexplained
occurrences from that region that probably rivals databases from other specific geographic regions in terms
of its complexity, intensity, and the variety of reports that I was able
to document. And of course I ended up writing several books. The Mysterious
Valley came out in ninety six. It was a bestseller for paranormal books.
It went through twelve printings and twelve printings and then Entered the Valley was the
all the historical information and caught the reader up for a couple of years of
activity. And then Secret to the Mysterious Valley, which came out ten years
later eight years later, summed up the entire period kind of gave an idea
of what it was like to be an investigator running around investigating some of the
most compelling cases on record. I'm quite proud of my work. I've never
made a call to the media to promote myself. I'm like a lot of
field investigators. The first thing I do is called the local newspaper, called
the local TV show and try to promote themselves. I've never done that.
I've also I've also made sure not to violate people's requests for anonimity. And
I worked quietly with five county sheriff's departments, and when they got a report
of the type that I've described, I would be the first person that would
be contacted, and quite often I went out instead of the deputies. And
one Chrieff said, I was the unofficial deputy of weirdness for five counties Sheriff's
departments. So I spent thirteen years there in the valley, and I'm quite
proud of my work. Investigated over two hundred academulations of close and personal and
my latest book is the textbook the Bible, the Encyclopedia, the case history
of that particular mystery. I'm very proud of it. I don't think anybody
has even come close to putting the amount of time and effort and objectivity into
that particular mystery. And you know, Stalking the Herd is the go to
book. Now when you say you know a mystery I have and I know
that I think I've asked you this before, we know on my shows.
Did you have a best guess of what? Or is it still just a
plain mystery of what was falling on? It's very complicated. There's no one
size fits all answer. Everybody likes things nice and you know, tied up
in a bow and a nice, neat little package. Well, this particular
conundrum Gordian nod if you will, it defies all simple, logical, single
explanations. There's multiple groups involved, everything from unidentified scavenger action, which is
the biggest I think sort of cause of a lot of these reports. People
seeing a dead cow, hearing maybe that there's mutilations going on in the region,
happening upon a dead cow, stopping their car, going out looking at
it, not knowing what they're looking at, and thinking that it looks unusual,
and reporting it as a catamulation. If you factor out all those types
of misidentified scavenger action cases, you are still left with a body of cases.
However, it's nowhere near the amount that some investigators out there with interesting
theories. It just I mean that to me is mystery mongering. When when
you tout every dead cows as being mutilated. Out of two hundred cases,
I think I had about forty that definitely appeared to be done with intelligence using
cutting instruments. Out of those forty, about three or four possibly had high
heat as a cutting agent, which are very very disturbing. And the total
out of those forty cases that I feel were real mutilations, that something did
that to the poor animals, there were eight about eight cases that were really
really spooky that still stick stick with me years later. Now. For instance,
at the Skinwalker Ranch, there was a report of what appeared as if
the cow had been dropped. Its head was jammed down inside of a hole.
Did you ever see any cases where it appeared that the cow could have
been dropped? Oh? Yeah, quite a number. Yeah. In fact
I found five that we actually I was down doing interviews with a with a
film crew and somebody overheard us talking in a rest you know, kind of
a little local restaurant, and she goes, I was coming in. You
should go out, you know on County Road, you know, X,
Y Z or whatever. Go down, make a left, make right,
and then look off by the fence line and there's there's some cows out there
and they look strange. So we did. We went out there, and
sure enough, all five of these animals had had appeared to have been dropped
from quite a distance. One of them had all the ribs were broken right
on the spine on the downside, and then one of the horns had been
driven into the ground and snapped off. And there's no way that that animal
could have done that to itself, or it could have done it happened with
somebody dumping dead cows out the back of a pickup truck. Let's say,
Um, they looked like they'd been dropped in a pile. There was four,
I think three or four cows and a horse and a horse. Wow.
Wow, not Snippy, No, No, Snipper was back in sixty
seven. This is ninety four, I think. So I listened to your
show on Great Bishop's Radio Mysterios. So I'm a fan of his show.
I really like enjoy at and I suggest anyone to check it out. It's
really great show. So in that show, and I'm going to call this
the post Ray Stamford show because you also went to race Stampers. So yeah,
that show you were talking about going to races. Oh, man,
I was excited. Yeah, I was ready to rock. I had twenty
two, twenty three hours of videotape. Yeah, and it's just Ray got
cold feet. He just totally back back, backed away from he's listening now,
just I know he did. He backed away. Ray. Next time
I come down, I'm shooting everything. I kept saying, I should be
shooting this, I should be shooting this. And I wasn't going to jump
right in and be rude and start filming immediately. I was waiting for him
to say, you know, ahead, you can film this. I gave
him plenty, plenty of opportunities, and you know, Ray, Ray Ray
will at some point, um, I think come to the realization that you
know, he just passed his eightieth birthday here a couple of days ago,
and and uh, you know time, it's the time is right to document
not only all his wonderful collections that he has that are just jaw dropping,
his chunky stone collection I think is the ancient Aliens. Yeah, there is
really no proof that ancient aliens we're here unless you go and look at Ray
Stanford's chunky stone collection. Then you will see real physical evidence in at least
in my estimation. And I think I think I can echo raise uh feelings
about this that that they here is real concrete evidence that ancient people's up to
eighteen hundred years ago, at least in North America. We're a witness scene
extraordinary craft in the sky which evolved into the into the Native American game of
Chunky. You know, these these discs are like perfect. I mean,
you couldn't describe him anything more than perfect. UFOs Yeah, science officers,
Yeah, completely, the thirteen adminters and uh in little domes and and they're
right out they were raking the Central United States, Yeah, which is really
and most of them are made out of out of meteoritic material humatite. And
then Ray has one that may be made out of a lunar media, right,
and if that's if it is, it would be the only worked I
think lunar lunar meteorite ever ever discovered. And it's impressive. It's big.
I mean we're talking, you know, about five inches six and four or
five inches across. I don't think I've ever walked into anyone's house has star
media right until I win it. I can't remember seeing a media right in
anyone's house except his I don't know. He's got a couple of pretty good
stones there. He's got a collection to meteorites that the glass media write that
Alan Heinek said was the strangest fall of all. That's a classic. Uh.
I didn't even get a chance to see that one again. I've seen
it, you know, in the past. But you know, I love
Ray. I think he's the only person in the field wilthy of any attention.
I think everybody else are just a lot of you posers and wannabes for
the most part. Um, you know, there are some people that that
that I do have some respect for good historians, people that have done a
lot of work researching and stuff. But in terms of really analyzing the phenomenon,
looking at at the type of visual evidence that that we that we have,
uh, you know, to ponder, I think Ray's work is is
just so far above and beyond anybody else's work. And of course his early
to mid seventies project Starlight is hard data monitoring program has been an inspiration and
a model for for my effort in the Sanduis Valley of putting together a monitoring
hard data monitoring UH triangulated monitoring array and in the Sandleis Valley with with gravitometers,
magnetometers, uh pcm microphones and other things to attempt to document some of
the amazing sidings that they go on in the valley, you know, continuously.
So um, that's that's something obviously, uh, we can talk about
more. But but Ray Ray is the inspiration for that. When I when
I read about Project Starlight in the early to mid seventies, and and then
of course project has Dollin in uh well it has Dollin Project in Norway.
Um, between those two, I think we have the the real I guess,
the the boiler plate, the prototype of how it could be done.
And and now in twenty and eighteen, with the level of technology and the
price you know coming down for tech, you know, we're going to be
able to do some pretty amazing things if the if the phenomenon doesn't play with
our heads and and try to try to you know, fake us out.
But but we'll we'll see right right now, I think I hope Ray doesn't
get mad at me for saying this, but he has said to me that
if anyone is really really serious and takes this really serious and not messing around
and they're really interested. He will show them things. Oh yeah, yeah,
yeah, and he's shown quite a number of people already. It's just
uh um, he just does not want to go into Hey, I forgot,
We're I forgot. We went past break time? How about that?
So we are going to take a break. Everyone, So hanging there.
This is Martin Willis with kg R A Radio, and my guest is Chris
O'Brien. Will be right back. We're actually vibe on YouTube just to let
you know. Hey, so, actually what I like to do in these
live breaks because we're on YouTube, it's going to go into the podcast as
we just chit chat off a different subject. We were talking about Ray so
um, that's how we ended on that one. I set the timer here
for three minutes. So um, I don't know if you want to talk
about on the regular show, if you want to talk about the powercasts and
why you're not on that, or you want to save that for the regular
part of the show. Oh no, I can do it here. I'd
rather do it here. My levels are really booming too audio by the way.
Yeah, and you've got to kind of bring me down a little bit.
Yeah, okay, check one, two, one, two. Yeah,
it's way better. Yeah, okay, go ahead. So, um,
so you're not on the podcast after how many years are we on there?
Almost ten? Almost ten? How about that? Yeah? And uh
what may you decide not to be on there anymore? Um? It was
just time time to move along. I you know, I think i'd pretty
much what would the term be, shot my wad? Uh uh it just
I don't know. I'm into a whole new vibe trying to get the kids
involved. Long form shows really aren't getting the eighteen to thirty five year old
interested in the subject matter. And um as as a result of that,
I've I've I've been working with a new co host, Ted Bonnet, and
we're coming up with a much slicker, modern, kind of multi platform way
of approaching the subject matter. We're gonna have a cool geo geographic app Um,
we're gonna have a TV show and a podcast that's all gonna be feeding
to a database. That's that's very, very impressive. And each of these
things are going to be going to be independent, but they're all going to
be feeding into into a UFO grid, which is the database. Uh yeah,
UFO grid. Now, if you go on if you type in UFO
grid dot com. It goes to Ted's site now correct, which is called
something else. I forget the name of it. But so, why did
he decide not to use that RL anymore? That's that was that's been around
a long time, right, Yeah, it has um you know, I'm
not really sure what his thinking was on that. I'm just trying to figure
out why I don't have this. You're bud working. Yeah, you don't
really have to worry about that until until we take calls up. By the
way, we will be taking calls later on we go for those of you
listening live and YouTube also over when we go back live. All right,
welcome back. It's Martin Willis with podcast UFO. My guests tonight is Chris
O'Brien on kg R A radio at kg our Aradio dot com. So we
were talking before the break. We were chatting about Ray Stamford and your visit
there. What did you accomplish while you were there? Well, it was
good, you know, first of all, visiting with Ray and Sheila.
It's been six years since I actually was at there at their house. And
I also got a chance to kind of get a dry run through what hopefully
I will be at some point documenting I think in the future, all his
various collections, his pre Columbian, his dinosaur trace evidence, his fossils,
meteor rights, and then of course the all important, as he calls it,
anomalous area object analytical work. He's been working for well over a decade
analyzing the many films that he's taken since nineteen fifty six of UFO events.
And what he's done is he's digitized everything and then put it into a frame
by frame sequences so that he can then look at at the trace evidence that's
left in the in the sky of these events, and uh, it's just
it's phenomenal. His observational acuity is off the charts. There's no one I've
met that even comes close to, how you know, insightful his his uh,
the physical ability to detect trace evidence, whether it's a dinosaur track that
millions of people have walked over and he can see, or if he looks
up and sees the trackways in the sky based on his photographs and film footage,
it's just dazzling. And unfortunately, you know, I'm a pretty bright
guy. I've I've got a good working knowledge of several scientific disciplines. But
I mean it's it takes every bit of concentration and every bit of my knowledge
and the uh, you know, the the ability to to stop him and
ask questions. I think it's important when when when he gets too far beyond
me, instead of my eyes glazing over and me just kind of nodding off
like some people I'm sure do when they when they see some of this very
very intricate information visual information, I do try to ask questions and try to
get get you know, make sure that I'm following when he's talking about optical
physics, when he's talking about you know, gravitational fields, where he's talking
about magnetic fields, and in light spectrum and how light can be polarized or
not polarized. You know, there's certain scientific principles that you really have to
have an understanding of in order for what he's saying to make sense. So
I'm really really dedicated to making sure that we have a version of Ray's presentation
with Ray actually explaining the information sitting there. Without Ray, um is only
gonna you know, only a few people really are going to be able to
decipher what he's done there. Uh, you know, optical physicists. Theoretical
physicists are going to be able to sit down and understand what he's done based
on what he's left behind, let's say, but with Ray actually sitting there
and taking you through the process step by step. I think it's very important
to get that down on video. And I'm ready. You know. That's
one of the reasons why I've I've moved back to the East Coast is to
is to do this. And Um, I've already got his life in his
own words, uh, in a transcript. It's it's been written down.
I've I've spent hundreds of hours with him and then transcribe our conversations about his
life. I was able to get all his Uri Geller stories, which are
just mind warping, which I never did get part of this. Um actually
wanted him to tour with him. Yeah, yeah, you know, to
be his battery or his is that when the two of them got together,
some pretty amazing stuff, very very well documented too. I might add,
some pretty amazing stuff took place. And initially the book was only going to
be as uthological history in stories, but but now we're we're we're branching off
a little bit. Carl in the chat room. By the way, I
will take a look at the chat room on YouTube, and I have Evan
is over there on the KGr A radio overhe's over there at the chat If
someone wants to communicate a question to get to Chris so Carl here on YouTube
wants to know, do you have any latest what's your latest news on cattle
mutilations? Have you? Do you keep your your thumb on that? What's
going on? Yeah? I do. Um, there's a couple of interesting
chat rooms. Um, there's a Facebook a closed Facebook page anomalous animal deaths.
And you know, of course, we do have a loose network of
if you can call it that, of investigators. So there's there's not many
people out there that are willing to, uh to devote the time and energy
it takes to investigate these cases. And it seems that most of the people
that are involved in this particular realm of investigation have already come to the conclusion
aliens are responsible for all of this, and that's it. I mean,
if you even argue with that, you're the enemy, you are you know,
you know, get away, get away, you know you're not buying
into the alien meme. Well, I think aliens are possibly the least likely
explanation. There's only maybe seven percent, maybe ten percent of the data would
support a UFO connection. There's very little, if any information pertaining to aliens
one or two claims over sixty years. I think the majority of cases are
actually a very stealthy, well orchestrated monitoring of the environment and of our food
chain. I think there's a tremendous sphere within the beef industry, within them,
the Centers for Disease Control, possibly the National Institutes of Health, some
sort of quasi group along those lines, maybe in concert with the beef industry
that's deathly afraid of the outbreak of mad cow disease and then the result in
kotzfeld Jacob's disease and humans, you know, possibly blossoming in the food chain.
So I think if you look at the work that's been done by Coom
callerher who you know, for many years was the managing director for the National
Institute for Discovery Sciences MIDS with Robert Bigelow, spent quite a bit of time
coordinating all the investigations upon the Skinwalker ranch in the you Win a Basin up
in Utah. Coal wrote a very very important book that I'm so bummed was
so overlooked, and it's called brain Trust, And basically he laid out the
proposition that mac cow disease is the possible motivating factor behind quite a number of
cattle mutilations. I'm not saying that's the end all to be all. That's
not that one size fits all answer. I have cases going all the way
back to sixteen oh five and sixteen oh six, and in uh, you
know, during the early part of the reign of James the First of England,
you know, right when Shakespeare was writing Macbeth and James was rewriting the
Christian Bible, there were outbreaks of hundreds and hundreds of sheet mutilations in and
around London. Um I did finally was able to confirm that. So,
so this is a true mystery. There is a high strange, possibly supernatural
or preternatural element to it. But but those cases are extremely rare compared to
the many, many thousands and thousands of what I feel or human perpetrated cases.
Last time that you were on the show, you really wanted to make
me become a vegetarian. I remember you you were talking about the beef industry.
Yeah, the methane caused by raising beef. Now tell me if I'm
wrong that you said there's up to three hundred cows in a single McDonald's hamburger.
Did you say, Well, they admit to a hundred, But there's
been there's been with some studies that would suggest it could be as many as
a thousand cows and in the same and if any of them have nerve tissue,
that's where the pren sang out. And you know if there's a downer
cow. They used to throw those into the food chain when a cow was
shaking and couldn't stand up and was twitching out. Well like dementia, like
dementia in humans. Uh, these these animals are we're thrown in in the
pie. Now they're put into pet foods. So h You know, if
you use your cutlery to take the dog food out of the in or the
cat food out of the can, it doesn't matter how many times you sterilize
those things. There could still be pryons there because you can't kill them.
It takes about twenty five hundred degrees to turn off pryon. So you know,
autoclaves and sterilization and even chlorine bleach can't do away with Yeah, so
just a word to the wise. Yeah, you saw a little chua to
try to I did. Yeah, the human race, probably most pets in
America do open look at that. Yeah. I used to, you know,
make my own cat food. Yeah. Yeah, I get a pound
of turkey out, foul fat sprouts, chicken livers, a little squash,
grinded it all up and then do a little single serving things and freeze it.
And and then and then one day somebody was house sitting and they ran
out of our homemade cat food and put down some friskies, some dry food,
and they would never touch the Well, that's the good stuff again.
Ever. Yeah, someone at STRA wants to know. Have you seen a
map that overlaysy mutilations with atomic testing? Yes? Yes, what's the scoop?
Is there any correlation to that? Yeah? Absolutely. David Perkins,
my mentor, who's working diligently on a follow up to Stalking the Herd.
Stalking the Herd has all the data, and it has twelve different databases correlated
together and has all the facts. I had to you know, it's a
six hundred page book, half a million words. I had to take three
hundred pages out because there wasn't enough room. That is going to be it's
kind of the basis for a follow up book that's going to analyze all the
data. We're not sure what we're going to call it. Stalking the Stalker's
Mute Speaker. We have a couple of working titles. But but David Perkins,
my co writer and my my dear, dear, dear friend and mentor,
he came up with a theory and an observation in nineteen seventy nine that
if you take a map of above ground pollution from one hundred above ground nuclear
tests at the Nevada test site, and you look at the wind patterns and
how that nuclear radiation has been distributed across the middle and eastern portions of the
United States, and then you take a map of high incidents of calamulations and
overlay it, it's a perfect match. It's frightening. And you know,
I've always always wondered why California, you know, parts of western Nevada,
Washington, Oregon, British Columbia, they have a few cases, but relatively
speaking to what's going on in Kansas, Nebraska, New Mexico, Colorado,
there's one hundreds and hundreds of cases for every one case that you have upwind
of the Nevada test site. So another thing that we've found is that radiation
in the environment and levels of copper in the cattle's blood can kick off matt
cow. Does these UH more more prevalent. It could be more prevalent in
animals that have been grazing on with residual radiation in their environment. So the
combination of copper and UH and radiation in the environment UH makes cattle more prone
to developing misfolded proteins or preowners. Wow. Wow. Now going back to
the San Luis Valley, I lived in Colorado three years, but it was
it was in Longmont, you know, I don't know if you know where
that is. Yeah, So what part of the state that's down? Is
it down toward Durango? Where is you know? That's west Western. It's
a western slope right in the middle of the state. If you go down
to Taos, New Mexico, ye, and stand you know right there,
let's say, stand just north of town there at the pueblo and look north,
you'll see this huge football shape valley. It's one hundred and forty miles
long. That extends north to houses at the extreme southern end of the valley
geographically, and then the valley the valley extends all the way up into Colorado
one hundred and forty miles. So that's that's the Sand Louis Valley. Yeah.
Now do you know it is still a hotbed right now? Yeah,
right now? Yeah, yeah, yeah, there's last September, we had
a bunch of reports two weeks it was hot and heavy in March that were
a number of reports. Um, the one Mystic mountain Side on Facebook has
been talking about some recent reports around the town a blank. My guy down
in the seed, Thomas Pay has had a number of reports that he's seen.
You have to remember because it's so prevalent there, people have gotten used
to it and it's normal for them and I along dating back, how far
do you go back in history where people been reporting. Oh, the earliest
that I can find to report to seventeen seventy seven, and the first Spanish
governor of the Mexico Territory was chasing a Comanche war chief, Quinta Verde,
up into the Weafino Valley and as he passed by Fort Garland and made the
turn to go around to the east of the Sandleis Valley, he noticed up
around Blanca Peak, which is the highest mountain group in the on the eastern
side of the valley. There he knows strange lights and his troops reported this
weird kind of nauseating uh sort of humming sound or deep vibration in the ground
there. So they like the taois hum It's what people would call it.
Later, I think, wow. And is there any geological aspects that are
unique, like, for instance, up Brown Mountain with the all the sightings
there has a real high copper content of that particular mountain you know of it?
Yeah, yeah, there's quite quite a quite a there's quite a number
of features there. First of all, it's the second largest rift valley in
the world, where it's the Great Riff Valley in Africa, which goes up
you know, the eastern part of Africa and uh it's where some of the
oldest remains of humans have been found in Olduvai Gorge in that area of Ethiopia.
And uh that that that that is the largest riff valley. The the
real Grand uh Riff Valley goes from south of El Paso all the way up
through New Mexico into the center of Colorado around Leadville. So that's a continuous
rift. It's a it's a it's a plate in the North American Plate.
It's where two sections of the North American Plate come together. And so occasionally
you'll have super cold on super cold nights with with like single digit humidity.
I've seen this a couple of times. You have the Payezo electric courts discharging
up into the atmosphere from the tops of the mountains. These these weird white
like the snake like Kundalini rushes coming up into the sky that are pretty interesting
way. And then there's two billion dollars worth of methane sitting out just west
and north of the Great Sand Dunes, And occasionally the conditions are right,
some of that methane gas will will illuminate, and I think that's fulled quite
a number of people over the years. You also have interesting correlation and close
proximity between the Earth's magnetic field. In other words, there are areas where
the magnetic field is at maximum strength and then areas where it's at minimum field
strength, and they're right buttered up against one another. And it seems where
where you have the close proximity between minimum maximum field strength. There's like seams,
and that seems to be the corridors where a lot of our activity are.
Our uthological activity tends to be mostly reported along this the demarcation zone DMZ
if you will, so you know, and you also have the government.
They have the Levita Military Operations Area just over the mountains to the east,
and they're constantly flying all kinds of weird you know, conventional you know,
lit up like something from outer space, conventional craft, and then probably some
you know, black black project craft as well. Um, if you want
to, you know, get into all that kind of stuff, you got
to read my books. Because I am a little reluctant to talk about the
government stuff on the air. I can see why. Yeah, yeah,
we're going to break in just two minutes. So U as far as that
too. Now, did you first move there, um because you're interested or
did you get interested when you moved there? No? I originally moved to
Santa Fe in eighty nine and and I just happened to witness a fatal car
accident and two pedestrian yes, from the crazy drivers there in Santa Fe.
And uh, I just took it as the universe, saying that that wasn't
quite the place for me, and uh in Deborah and and so I had
friends that had a big four bedroom house up in the U in the little
town of Crestone and up in the San Luis Valley, and they said,
hey, whyce you come up here and check it out? And so we
went up there just to check it out, and uh we ended I ended
up staying for thirteen years and some of the most you know, it's one
of the most remote areas in North America. I mean it's sixty miles in
there a stoplight from where I lived. Oh so you think this has developed
where I'm living here in Maine. Oh god, yeah, yeah, this
is like we have we have a stoplight. Yeah, I think, yeah,
yeah, Well it's not real far away anyway. All right, So
we're coming up on the break and we'll come back and a bit and uh
we're I'm probably gonna ask you about your project to that chair thinking about starting.
Yeah, all right, So, uh we are coming up in the
break. This is Martin Willis with podcast UFO and we are in k kg
R a radio, and uh we are going to take a break so hang
in, stay with us, We'll be back. Do you want to continue
to talk about power Cash? You just decided not to do that, but
now you're gonna be on with is it ted Ted Bonnet? Yeah? Yeah,
well it's yeah. I there are a number of reasons why I finally
left the show, and I'm sure people that know me and know the show
and know the trials and tribulations that have gone into my involvement with the show,
I don't want to I don't want to belabor any anything or you know,
cast dispersions or complaint or bitch or moan or whatever. But but I
just, you know, I felt it for the amount of work that I
was putting in there. Um I wasn't seeing kind of I don't know,
it just wasn't worth my time. U For the amount of effort and energy
that takes to do a two hour show. It just you know, it
was too much work for too little coming back and h and you know it
just again. I think the main thing though, is that I really want
to move forward in the type of broadcasting scenario. I want to be multi
platform. I want to be talking to you know, to eighteen to thirty
five year olds, the baby boomers can argue about whether UFOs exist all they
want. The kids know they do. Uh, They're not interested in sitting
there and listening to you know, war stories featuring Donald Keyo and Jim Moseley.
Uh. These are you know, people from you know, ancient history.
Even their parents would would would think that they were old, old,
old news. So I'm looking to do something much more cool, cutting edge
and in less old school. Did I hear you say it was going to
be just like an hour show or a half hours half hour show, half
hour show? Well, do you think you can really dig in and a
half hour? Yeah? Absolutely, I mean I can have cliffhangers and you
know you can wait till the next half hour show. Absolutely. I think
that if you can't, if you can't get a point across in a half
hour, whatever that point might be, the kids aren't going to be interested.
Yeah. Well, I know the attention span is short on you know,
it's just in the reason, to be fair, The reason is there's
so much information all the time being blasted at everyone's way that I totally understand
why the two minute video on YouTube is the one that people watch instead of
that, you know, a four minute. Well, in again, our
approach is going to be much different. We're going to have people out and
you know, Ted's going to be out in the field. It's gonna be
story driven. Um, it's all gonna everything's gonna be kicking back to a
you know, a regional based uh database. So not much we can say
in twenty eight seconds. So just quickly, where is someone going to be
able to find that? Well, we don't have an actual web presence yet,
but the show is going to be called out there, um and and
we're definitely gonna be out there. We're gonna be covering all aspects of the
paranormal and uh and also consciousness psychedelic studies. We're gonna be branching out and
looking at all this stuff under a big umbrella. Okay, welcome back everyone.
This is Martin Willis with PODCASTFO. My guest tonight is Chris O'Brien in
studio and uh, I'm glad to have him here. And before the break,
UM, I can't remember what the heck were we talking about San Luis
Valley, I can, I don't know. We change the subject so many
times since then, but um, we are now going to be taking calls
if anyone would like to call in and that number. I'm just going to
announce it for those over at KGr A Radio and also Evan will post the
number there and on YouTube. It'll be up on your screen screen and that
six ozh three nine six seven four h three. Oh, if anyone would
like to call in. We are getting some questions in the chat I notice,
and I will try to get to them. But of course we always
like to have people call in. And someone posted this question over at KGr
A Radio, and that is speaking of things washed up on the beach,
what about the strange drap deck that washed up on the California beach with flashing
with a flashing light on top there for several months. Any did you hear
about that? I didn't hear about that. Yeah, so we don't.
We don't hear about it. We can't really comment much on it. Well,
I don't know. It sounds sounds one day. Let's see. What
do you think of the Eric Davis com that poulter Geist activity always accompanies see
UFO phenomenon. Are you familiar with that? I've I haven't really dug into
some of the interviews. Uh in comments that have done have been done about
his interview? Uh, it's it doesn't surprise me. I think John Alexander
is someone that's been champion a connection between various divergent mysteries that people would think
our standalone and or you know, encapsulated, uh and and sort of stovepiped.
I disagree. I think there's a connecting point that ties a lot of
these various types of mysteries together. And to be followed home from a hotspot
location and to have a hitchhiker that all of a sudden then starts, uh,
you know, pranking you in your house makes perfect sense to me,
and it doesn't surprise me at all. In fact, I've kind of been
saying this for years, that there is a connection between various paranormal phenomena.
Oh yeah, there are some theories out there I've heard. For instance,
Paul Eno has a theory that's pretty interesting. I don't know if you've ever
heard of his, but yeah, so, uh, Andy wanted to know
if you can comment on any other Gormally slash Bradshaw type sites currently experiencing high
strangeness. Well, it depends on what you mean by currently. You know,
I've been gone for the last month. So it's hard for me to
comment about anything that's been going on within the last few weeks. The Bradshaw
Ranch has been fairly dead, but there was let's see about a year ago,
third week of September, there was an interesting report from out in the
Bradshaw Ranch for some of the listeners who don't know where that location is.
That's west of Sedona, Arizona, where I live for for the last fourteen
years. And an investigative researcher named Tom Dongo worked with the ranch owner,
Linda Bradshaw for quite a number of years, wrote three books about some of
the uh, you know, the activity out there. The Sherman Ranch or
the Gorman Ranch as George Knapp called it in Hunt. The skin Walker is
the skin so called Skinwalker Ranch up in the winter base, and uh,
there's constantly stuff going on around there. But as with the San Luis Valley,
people are so used to it and they know that there's nothing, nothing
good is going to come from reporting activity. They're just going to open themselves
up for for media attention and for people to you know, be staking out
their property and stuff. So um, you know, locals in these areas
they will not report these things to UH national or organizations. There's generally newcomers
to the area to get excited and then might mention stuff. All the old
locals, the old timers, they will never report stuff to outside investigators.
And it takes years of getting to know people, of gaining their trust,
of getting them to open up and be forthright about their experiences for them to
h to comment and to publicize these things. So stuff is always burbling along.
Of course, we do have peaks and valleys and waves that occur.
Right now, I think we're in a low period. Generally, this time
of year you see activity tail off and then the end of August beginning of
September it starts to pick up again. It's generally a bell curve around you
know. The spring is heightened activity. It kind of tails off in the
summer and then and then it raises it's phenomenal head again in the fall.
That's an in a regular year, and we're an off year when it's really
hot and heavy. Uh, those are the times of the year that it's
really intense, and the summer and winter you'll have reports, but not as
many. Project Yeah, you know, the Saint Louis Valley Camera and Monitoring
project. It's part of a larger project that uh, the Saint Louis Valley
is going to be the litmus test, the first place where it's really uh
you know, put out into the field and become It will become operational later
this summer and early fall. Basically, what we're doing is we're putting up
a triangulated system, which means that there'll be more than one camera, ideally
three cameras, and each of these cameras will have an accompanying package of sensing
hardware that'll be sitting in a box underneath it um and it'll all be connected
to the Internet. Now, the cameras are really the technology is amazing now.
So for less than a thousand dollars you can get a very very good
high res camera. People say, well, why don't you go four K
because we don't have the data, the pipeline for the data to go four
K and you know we're going to have some onboard recording, so high dep
is is the extent of where we're going visually optically. But we're going to
have a system that's going to be idling and it'll be able to go online
and see the system going through what we call a patrol routine where each camera
will be going and then it'll shift to another camera, shift to another camera.
It will be kind of un standby, it'll be unidol And then we
have an all sky camera which will be sitting in the middle of the triangulated
array, and that basically can see the entire sky, and each of the
pixels that are in that display of the entire sky has a number of value
and when something happens, that either has the illuminance, the speed, various
parameters that that alert us at something unusual is happening. Immediately, that proximity
data generated by the pixels will be sent to the other cameras. They will
swing around and focus on the event. So that's what we're going to be
looking at optically, and then boom, you'll see we'll go from a low
res idle status into a high res status. The software we'll click on,
we'll have recording, and then you'll have targeting boxes that will appear around the
object, and then the cameras will then motion track the object so that if
it moves to the left, the cameras will move to the left, and
then they'll try to If it stops for a little bit, they'll try to
zoom in. And so we're gonna have three different angles at a single event.
Now sitting underneath the camera. These cameras, by the way, have
a thirty six times optical zoom. We can zoom in fairly close to the
event. If it's you know, within ten miles of the event, we're
going to get some pretty good images. This will automatically zoom in, yeah,
exactly. It depends the bounding box. If it sits still for long
enough time, then we'll be able to get a zoom on it. Now
underneath the camera will be a series of scientific monitoring equipment that will monitor changes
in the Earth's magnetic field, changes in the gravitational field. Will be monitoring
temperature, humidity, wind speed, temperature. Will be plugged into flight aware,
so we're going to be factoring out any transpondered conventional craft. Any lights
in the environment are going to be known in advance highways, street lights,
house lights. They'll be massed out and then we'll have two sets of images
optically, one that'll have all our data and a time code, and the
other just with a time code and the actual object. So it's never been
done. We've had As I mentioned earlier, Ray Stanford did attempt to do
this. He had a two million dollar single single operation with just a single
set of gear. We're going to be doing three different sets of gear.
And it's historic. If we can pull this off and then replicate some of
our data and then make hypothesis, you know, actually create a hypothesis and
then get follow up data to substantiate that hypothesis, we're gonna be able to
have in conjunction with optical physicists, theoretical physicists, we literally could theoretically light
write papers for peer review. So this this is a logical step forward for
hard data monitoring and investigation of UFO hotspot areas. And it's one thing to
say, yeah, I was I was in some special ops group and I
you know, I when I was in my early twenties, I autopsied three
thousand aliens. It's another thing to get magnetic gravityational and uh, you know,
light spectra information from a uthological event times three. Now when you say
triangulate how how what? What type of distance are we talking apart? Well,
it depends on where our exact locations are going to be This is still
to be worked out, but we're talking about a maximum of about forty to
fifty miles per leg Wow. Okay, so you're going to have real zooming
capability. Oh yes, Yeah. And there's the valley is really neat because
it's an open valley. There's no there's no trees, there's very few trees
or anything to block the view. And then our main camera is going to
be sixties seventy feet up on a cell tower. Oh wow wow. Now
has anyone ever um got really good video of events that have happened there in
the valley? Really good video? No? Um, I did have some
very very compelling video that was taken into nineteen ninety five. Of course,
it was stolen from the mail. Priority Mail ensured the whole deal. Yeah,
the guy, the postmaster at my post office didn't even know where the
form was to report a missing package that had been registered and the whole thing.
He goes, I've never had this happen before. That was really good
footage. It was of a translucent object that was hovering over the center of
the valley. You know. I sent it to Sightings the TV show and
sorry, Chris, it never arrived so and nobody signed for it. It
just disappeared in the ethers. Feel figure. I have a night vision footage
of third generation night vision footage of thirteen objects, two groups, one of
seven, one of six that come together from different directions and then come together
and merge for a while and then split and take off some of them hovers,
some go backwards. We were less than four or five miles away.
It was eight below zero when we took the footage, and there was absolutely
not a single sound. And these things were close. And I've been holding
onto this for quite a number of years. I've most of my footage that
I've taken has ended up on some TV show or another over the years.
This particular footage driving holding onto Yeah, yeah, so you actually saw this
particularly, This is something I took. I took it myself. Thirteen objects.
It's the most I've ever seen in a single event. Wow. Now
do you when you were in Colorado? Did juice bend like hours and hours
and hours like skywatching so to speak? Yeah? I did. When things
were happening, Yeah, I did. I spent a lot of time out.
I've seen personally dozens and dozens of events I had a phone tree set
up in a network of skywatchers and we would alert each other when things were
going on. Oh wow, I had as many as seventeen reports in a
single day. So let's give you an idea how how active we got now
is it? Is it? Am I thinking of the right places? So
their UFO watchtower in the valley? Yeah, it's uh yeah, it's right
out right in the center of the valley. In fact, one of our
camera locations is theoretically going to be very close to that. It is a
perfect place to put a UFO watchtower. Unfortunately, Judy, the crazy lady
that lives down the road, is the tide of her book. It's very
appropriate to my dad. Um. She is not interested in doing the kind
of you know, real meticulous documentation of date, time, event, witness,
name, location, you know, nice description of the event. She
likes to collect stories and she's got a bunch of them. Uh she's collected
over the years. And yeah, it's uh. You know if people have
asked me, well, what do you think of the UFO watchtower, and
say, well, if I was going to put a UFO watchtower in someplace,
that would be where I'd put it. Because it is front rows.
Yeah and there. I actually had her on the show one time way back.
But are there actually people that do see Yeah, yeah, yeah,
there's I can't remember she charged innthing by donation if you want to stay at
her little campground. I think she charges so for a hook up and stuff.
But it's been a while since I've visited. Uh old Judy, She's
she's a real character. Yeah yeah, So again, we're taking calls if
anyone would like to call in. Let's see Bobby, who can't call in
because he's working. Uh but he's he can type anyway while he's working.
Wasn't Chris watching a game during the Phoenix sightings? I was okay, I
was working. I was living in Colorado in March of ninety seven, and
in February, my brother and I had a Adobe plastering company and we would
do real super high quality Adobe natural Adobe finishes. And one of the Americopa
County Commissioners, Dolly Archiletta or at your area, she got a variance from
the Building Commission to build a straw bill in Maricopa County. So we were
called down to to do all the finish work, and so we spent two
months down there, and uh, right in the middle of our of our
you know work, two months work tread I was getting ready the following day
to go have dinner with Stephen Greer and Tom King and Jim Delatoso and Shery
adam Acum friends who were down there. We were all going to get together.
And I think it was March eighteenth. And on March seventeenth, I
was watching Arizona State in the sweet sweet sixteen I think, and we were
inside our motel room watching the game, and we were hearing hooping and holler
and coming from outside, you know, the other rooms. We thought,
you know, hey, other people were watching the game because it was Arizona.
I was down in Arizona. I was in Cossack Ground, which is
between Phoenix and Tucson right on I ten there and uh and then right they
burst into the game, you know, during I think it was at the
end of the third quarter or whatever, and they said, oh, we
have this special news bulletin. You know. I'm standing here in front of
the Australla Mountains and looked behind me, you see these uh, strange lights
and and we're thinking, oh, any minute, that's going on just up
the road. So we all ran outside and there are people out there going,
oh man, you should you too, had to run out here.
About twenty minutes ago. They flew right over and we're like, oh,
we were inside watching the NCAA, you know, Sweet sixteen and missed it
and flew right over the motels. So oh, well that, I'm sure
you probably hurt. Um of Oh god, who was it that was flying
their airplane? Kurt Russell, Yeah, I did, But that there's there's
there's still a lot of confusion about that because a lot of the film that
you see out there is actually the flares right. Um. I don't know
if there's any real solid You would think with ten thousand people approximately would see
something. Somebody would even pre sell phone. Some people were out there because
of Hilbop Yeah, Hilbop hilpop yeah. And so they were out watching that,
and you couldn't ask for more of an audience. Really, Go figure.
Ron Riguerre, who helped design our DSP spy satellite, who wrote the
engineering manuals for the I think the optical portion of the satellite. He actually
checked the logs for that night and there was an event log that started in
Henderson, Nevada, and went all the way down the Prescott Valley and then
kind of made a slight turn to the direct south over. Phoenix went down
to Tucson and made a right angle turn and went off to the west towards
Yuma, and then it disappeared down around the gold Water for hu Chaca and
the Goldwater Gunnery ranged down there well Chocolate Mountains. The last time I had
Peter Davenport on the show, he was telling me that when he was getting
calls about the Phoenix lights, he said that there was someone that was estimating
at being up to eight miles wide. Did you hear people talk about the
size of it that, yeah, I had two miles is about I think,
what what what is the closest approximation in terms of taking everybody's everybody's descriptions.
Uh, I think two miles would be would be the most accurate,
which is absolutely crazy if you think about it, you know what I mean,
I mean, if that's ours, I mean, yeah, the argument
that you know, people say that it was probably something military, I mean,
it doesn't really make any sense. So I had someone on the show
recently that says, you know, where would they have something that was two
miles or well, if it was yeah, I mean, if it was
lighter than air, you could you could theoretically house something like that I just
deflated, but or take the helium out or whatever. Yeah, whatever,
the lighter than air gas was but it was a physical object according to Ron
Riguerre. And you know, he's someone that was above there would be no
reason for him to to fabricate acclaim like that, right right, They have
to pull it a little closer to the MIC's here, all right, And
so let's talk about you're talking. You're talking about this camera unit that you
want to get out there. What's the name? And where can someone?
I know, what's on your website, right, someone can go see that.
You know, we're we're at the point right now where we're finishing up
the triangulation software programming, which will be for the next couple three weeks.
Then we're going to have a go fund me campaign to pay for the rest
of the equipment, and that'll be starting in about three to four weeks,
right around the end of July, third to fourth week of July, and
then I'm slated to go out in August out to the valley and get the
initial installation process going, and with money, I can pay people and not
have to rely on people's you know, doing favors for me or you know,
dragging their feet. It's it's been a twelve year process of relying on
people's you know, doing new favors, and I just would rather go out
there with a budget, you know, and be sitting there tapping my foot
looking at my watch while people are you know, getting paid to do what
needs to be done, and that is to climb towers and get these things
in. Yeah, you know, speaking of projects and funding and all that,
I've just wondered if any listener that here's this knows any updates on the
Cube sat. The Cube sat was supposed to be launched. They raised I
think twenty thousand dollars through a fund situation, and all these people were getting
a lot of airtime and I haven't heard a single thing. So if anyone
has information about that, you can actually call in if you're listening live,
or send me an email at Martin at podcast ufo dot com. That was
only what for just a few months, so right right, but it was
to go up. We have a caller caller, thanks for calling in.
Please I'll give us your first name, and where are you calling from?
Hey, Martin, this is Ryan from South Carolina. Oh, hey Ryan,
how are you? Hey? How you doing? O? I don't
calling it a bad time. I was no name, I'll call in.
No, I don't. I wasn't sure if there was a good spot.
Yeah, yeah, nope. You have a question for our guest, Yeah,
um about going back to the cattle mutilations. And I kind of apologize
because I was distracted early on in the show from something else. And I
assume your guest whiles the cattle mutilations are from horror from aliens? Is that
in my understanding that correctly, that's what the popular perception is because of the
efforts of Linda Moulton Howe and Chuck Sikowski, Margie k and others that have
been touting this explanation as the go to rationale for these cattle to be discovered
in the in the shape that they're discovered in, and I disagree. I've
looked at all the data that's available, and uh, the cases that you
can even equate weird lights or some sort of craft are just you know,
maybe ten percent at the most. The other ninety percent are, in my
estimation, uh, done by humans, very very skillful uh decisions, but
done by sharp cutting implements. Uh. Not. Many animals are drained of
blood. For instance, there's, of course, there's the popular misconception that
all these animals are drained of blood and that aliens are gathering blood and uh
in fluids for hybridization of their dying race and stuff. And right there.
And the one thing about about the blood, um, that is something you
do here. A lot people talk about that, but I want to ask
you, is it because the naturally blood will settle to the bottom exactly.
It's called gravity. It's happening, right. Yeah. I don't know how
many cases I went out in the ranch says oh yeah, they're drained this
thing of blood, and I go, yeah, well yeah, here,
help me out and we'll flip the thing over and whoosh, it'll all come
out. If you cut into the meat and the meat is slightly pink but
mostly gray, then the animals been drained to blood. Now, I have
had some cases where the animals been drained of blood, but they're rare.
In the exception, the whole idea that aliens are coming to you know,
drain animals of blood, and all this is to me is ludicrous. If
they wanted that, why don't they just pick the lock on a on a
slaughter house and go in at night and there's vats and vats of blood in
there. It just does It's to me, the alien theory is sensational,
it's mystery mongering. We don't have the data to back it up. There's
no evidence whatsoever to support that particular conclusion. But we have a ton of
evidence to support the conclusion that humans are involved. How about all the cases
where four hundred plus helicopter reports have been filed, or the cases where animals
have been shot with firearms and mutilated, or cases where we've had barbiturateus coagulants,
anticoagulants, mescaline in one case, and arkansaw nicotides. All kinds of
different types of drugs and other foreign substances have been found when these animals have
been when they've done workups on these animals. So there's a huge body of
evidence that supports any other conclusion that has human beings attached to it. Another
question, Ryan, Yeah, Well, just to follow up comic, because
you know, if he said he this was from alien ga. My follow
up question questioning what's going to be You know, if if it's aliens,
I mean, why did they always leave so much of it behind? You
would think that alien race coming here, it would take the whole thing.
I should rather just take a little chunk and go running off and lead the
rest, because yeah, you're operating under the assumption that, yeah, they
want to conceal their presence here. I mean, obviously they don't announce it.
Well, why would they take a chunk and then gently leave the rest
and jump in the ship and take off. That's that's never made much sense
to me. Well, yeah, and you're absolutely correct. The very fact
that the animals are left behind creates a scenario plausible deniability for whatever human groups
are involved. And there are multiple groups, by the way, this isn't
one human group. I think there's multiple groups with different agendas, possibly overlapping.
And the reason why they leave them behind is very simple. Back in
seventy seventy one, when these cases really start to get get noticed and reported,
the animals were being stolen and there was such an uproar in the ranching
community that you know, helicopters are being fired at and you know, the
utility powerline helicopters, National Guard helicopters were being targeted by ranchers who are mad
as hell, and they weren't going to take it anymore. And so in
seventy two we had not a single catamutilation case. And I think that's when
they figured out that, hey, if we leave the animals there, there
won't be a police report, there won't be grand theft. You know,
there will be plausible deniability. We can always say it was it was scavenging.
We can always say that we're blaming on on ritual cultism or or a
Satanists or something, and that that creates a veneer of fear And what can
you accomplish by by going to a very patriotic portion of our population. Ranchers
are some of the most militant people we have in our country. Look at
the Bundy standoff for instance. Ranches are are more prone to you know,
being members of Patriot Goose for instance. So if you mutilate their cows and
leaving behind, you're also manipulating, you know, the society. You're actually
creating fear and uh and you're you're kind of creating a system of control using
paranoia and terror tactics, uh by by you know, targeting people's livestock.
So, you know, I think it's uh now, you're not hearing about
these cases very much. Ranches know that there's no point in reporting them.
I think very very few cases now that occur or being reported. Only the
cases where the rancher thinks he's been victimized by the government now are the ones
that tend to be reported. Very interesting. All right, hey, Ryan,
thanks for the call. Okay, thanks for taking it. All right,
take care okay, all right, So in the chat Shane from Australia
UH used to be on all the time. It's good to see him in
here. He is asking the ones that are not drained of blood. Are
there ever any toxicology reports on the animals? Yeah? Yeah, there are
not as many as we'd like. Normally, these animals aren't found for at
least two or three or four days, and so by the time that they
are found, usually during the warmer months, they're already starting to rot and
go necrotic, and so there's no point in attempting to try to, you
know, do a knee cropsy or or call a pathologist to come out and
look at the animal. You know, let's face it, the rancher has
already lost his investment. Why would he spend hundreds of dollars on a lost
investment. So it's it's very ingenious. The way the thing unfolds, it's
it's almost self nullifying in many ways. Uh, yeah, amazing. The
whole thing is is bizarre. And when I had never heard before until tonight
about you know, going back in history so far. Yeah, you know
that there were there was a UM and I think for someone that is plain
skeptical, most of people will claim that it was um, say scavenger or
something, but you have actually seen with your own eyes, h the precision
cutting. Yeah, that just can't be explained. Well, well, the
first thing I look for a number one is is cut hair follicles. It
doesn't matter what kind of scavenger it is, insect, bird, uh,
you know, the fore leg environment, whatever, they're not going to be
able to cut hair in a straight line. Uh you know, kyote is
that really bad breath, but not that bad. They they're not that talented.
And birds they can't they can't cut hair follicles in a straight line.
They tear the flesh in between the hair. Uh. And so the first
thing I do, and I've been trying to get our you know, these
newer Johnny completely investigators, uh, you know, to to wake up and
use some very very good uh you know, feel the investigative techniques to determine
the high strange nature of a case and if the thing has cut hair follicles,
something with intelligence and with tools did that. And the other thing that
I used to do is when I would arrive at a mutilation site, the
more pristine the better. Obviously, the first investigator out of the out of
the vehicle would be my brother's Pyrenees dog, and Cato would go out and
immediately investigate the entire scene, and we we very carefully note all his animal
reactions to the animal, and we'd uh and we would make notes where he
pissed, because that would tell us exactly where the coyotes were. And so
then we'd be able to instantly zero in on any coyote tracks and find out
how how close they came to the actual scene around the animal. So,
yeah, there's animals, you know, especially dogs. Yeah, they could
smell some dogs and smell parts per trillion, uh, and on quite a
number of cases, Cato, you know who normally is he was a great
parent. He's he's not afraid of anything, anything at all. And the
very few cases where he would go out and he'd get down wind of the
thing and you could see the hair standing up, and he'd come back to
the car, yeah, or the truck, I should say, wow,
uh and yeah, there's only a few. But most of the time he
would have no fear at all, and he'd he'd run around and any place
of couty, would piano bush or something, he would have to add his
little postcard or whatever. So how many cases that have you actually physically investigated
that did have cut hair follicles, like you're saying, it's it's it's tough
to say without going back through the records, but probably at least a dozen
fifteen maybe that had actual cut hair follicles. There were a few others that
it was it was equivocal. There were a few, but not It's the
cases that happened in the wintertime, when the horse, when the horse of
the cow, when their hair is long, then you can tell easily.
When it's during the warmer months, it's a little bit more difficult to tell,
and quite Frankly, I really didn't like getting as close to the incisional
areas as you have to get to really determine that. And it's my least
favorite thing to do in the world, be around a thousand pounds of rotting
animal flesh. It's not for everybody, right, right, So we have
a caller on the line. Caller, your first name? Where are you
calling from? Hi, guys, It's Andy from Stratford, Connecticut. How
are you doing? Hi, Andy, Welcome to the show. Do you
have a Mark good show? What's that? Yeah? I just wanted to
hear I'm always interested to hear an experts thoughts on what their opinion is on
a connection between as I'd asked earlier in the chat room. Uh, these
military, you know, rural farming sites and ranches, is what the connection
might be. They all share things in common, Native American tribe, military,
rural, you know, and so on. And I'll take your answer
off the air, but just want to know if what he thinks the connection
might be. That's it, Thanks guys, Thank you, thanks for the
call. All right, sure, Well, I've I've I've talked about a
formula that I've kind of adopted from doctor Lewis Turrey who came up with a
kind of a rough idea of how to identify a hotspot area or an area
that has more activity and a variety and intensity of activity more than other areas.
You know, like Sedona is the Verde Valley area there, miss and
Louis Valley, parts of the Hudson River Valley, around White Sands in New
Mexico that you went to, Basin, around Mount Adams, around Mount Shasta.
There are hot spot areas parts of the Mojave, Joshua Tree, etc.
And one thing that I've found is that there are commonalities that exist in
all these areas. Number One, they have a history of unusual occurrences that
go back into prehistory. There are Native American legends about either flying sea pods,
flying shields, sky people, kachinas. There are waves of unexplained activity
that eb and flow through the area. There are Native American sacred sites that
are found there. There's unusual geophysical properties like we were talking about before,
the proximity of a maximum field strength in the rise, magnetic field, gravitational
lows areas where you have earthquake vaults, that sort of thing. And there
is a government presence. The government is definitely interested in these areas, whether
they have facilities there, whether they do training routes there. They always seem
to have an interest in the area, and they're trying to get more control
of the airspace of the actual land itself. Bradshaw Ranch in Sedona was appropriated
by the government. There's areas in the unter base and that seem to have
unusual amounts of military interest in government interests. So if you put those five
different things together, and an area has and features all five of those things,
you have a hotspot area, and that's a place where I'd like to
get a triangulated camera and instrumented scientific instrument array set up there. Ultimately,
we're hoping to have these things spread all around North America in hotspot areas and
then branching out into other parts of the world as well. Have you thought
about how to keep up any vandals away from you know, like there's so
much hiking and all of a sudden they come across this camera, They're going
to be curious. You know, They're going to be in secure areas and
there's none of these things are going to be out in the open just for
somebody to stumble on. They're going to be you know, either on people's
porches, on their roofs, on cell towers and people. Well, what
if the government decides to take it out, and I say, well,
that's great. I hope they do, because then that'll give me information.
They'll be prompted to do that because they think I captured some data. And
if I captured some data and they take the camera out, then that'll alert
me to the fact that I'm onto something. So I think that they're going
to try to fool us. I think they're gonna play cat and mouse.
I think they're gonna see how much that they can get away with, whether
we misinterpret or or you know, somehow miss and strew. Uh, you
know, maybe some black project that they they they trot out, or maybe
some sort of hologram technology to see if it fools us. Um. I
think the I think they're gonna actually try to have some fun with us,
and it's gonna be Tom and Jerry, you know, the old cat and
Mouse game. Uh, And I'm looking forward to it. I think it's
great if they do take it out, if they if they zap it with
a particle beam weapon or a laser or something like that. That means that
we've we've found something and all we have to do is go back and look
at and look at at our data and see what it is that that that
got them all nervous. Well, that hearkens back to the Paul Benowitz case
in a way. Yeah, you know, I mean that's what happened to
him. Yeah, exactly with him, you know, because he was seeing
something. Maybe it had nothing to do with UFOs, but it definitely had
something to do with a very strong interest. Well, I think he was
picking up some of the early digital burst transmissions as I think the audio signals
that he was picking up. That's I guess, because that was right when
those uh when digitized you know, super compressed blips of digital data were being
transmitted, and I think that he may have accidentally stumbled on some of those.
Some of his the color photographs and Chris Lambright's book X descending some of
those color photographs of the lighting arrays that he was able to photograph out over
the Kyote Canyon area, which is right you know, where the old Manzano
weapons storage facility, which had I think more nuclear weapons stored there than any
other spot. In America. Um, I think that that's all very compelling
stuff. Yeah, yeah, I know that whole ex descending what a great
book actually raised braiseds happen. But yeah, that's that's actually how I first
met Chris. I read his book, and we stay in touch. He
might be listening. He does listen to the show. Um, okay,
I was just picking up what I thought was a question. But um so,
uh, you know, and it's very unfortunate what happened to Paul to
Paul Benowitz. And uh, I don't know if you've been following this at
all, but I'm shocked by what Richard Doughty is out there doing. Have
you seen any things he's talking about healing? Well, we had him on
the Pacast and yeah, he did a full two hours. I think it
was the third show he ever did. I think he did Coast to Coast
twice and then he did US. Wow, that was a real coup.
Yeah, and uh, you know, I mean Walter Bosley as someone else
that was you know, X a FOSI and counterintelligence guy. And you know,
Walter has been very upfront saying, look, there's some things that you
know, we just have to be on the lookout for if if we think
that you know, China or Russia is trying to trying to get information about
classified projects, and we're gonna have to, you know, out a counter
surveillance efforts to ascertain whether there's some some you know industrial or you know,
technological aspionage going on. And uh. And so when someone like a Benewitz
comes along and says, look, I got these recordings of these weird audio
signals, and I've got these strange photographs, and the fact that he was
putting the analysis and spin on it that it was et gave them a perfect
uh, you know sort of way to approach him, and uh and and
feed that fantasy to keep them away from thinking that maybe it's it's some side
of classified Air force or project out at SANDA there on Curtland Air Force Base.
So uh, going the extra yard and driving the guy crazy and moving
his furniture around, which dot he denies, by the way, and um
and you know, putting the groceries, you know, out of one cabinet
in the other, and some of the other things that Greg Bishop mentioned in
his very very good book Project Beta about the Benewit's case. I think that
that uh was going a little bit overboard myself. And if somebody's a little
twitchy to begin with and and prone to uh to maybe getting delusional and developing
mentalist you know, health issues. Um, I think I think it's uh
the responsibility of of counterintelligence officials and officers and in case case officers to you
know, to not be in a position to be able to be blamed for
guys losing his uh, you know, his sanity. It's very very unfortunate,
and uh there's you know, you can't you can't make excuses to you
know, to explain away that kind of uh over overreached on the fact that
by the by the government. So what type of conversation did you have with
Richard Dodi about Paul Was he willing to speak about what? Hell? Yeah,
yeah, in fact, he's he mentioned something I totally forgotten from Greg's
book that they noticed that there was somebody watching them. They're they're like surveilling
beneuits. Then they realized there's a house across the street that's that's empty,
that nobody lives in. There's there's there's movement and stuff in there, and
so they they did, uh, you know, they punked who it was
and they found out it was the NSA or some other agency that was monitoring
them. So you don't know how deep the rabbit hole actually goes now.
But the I watched some part of a um of a movie. I think
it was the latest Stephen Career movie, um Baby watch it. Excuse me,
Lee forced me to watch it. But Richard Doughty is on there saying
talking about like these things are real aliens on on that movie. That movie,
he moved my mind. He he was saying that too. I mean,
come on, once you're you know, in the business of of lying
for a living. Uh yeah, how how you know, how is anybody
going to take you seriously? The whole Surpo thing that happened Victor Martinez.
If you've ever gotten on Victor the Wizard's email list, it's really tough to
get off, you know. He I don't know how many people out there
lettening know about the Surpo thing, which is, if you remember back to
Close Encounter of the Third Kind, the thirteen astronauts in the orange jumpsuits that
got aboard the ship. The whole Surpo thing is a story that surfaced in
two thousand and four and five. I think that this actually happened, and
that two of the people died and I think one was left behind or two
were left behind on surpo, which is I think in Zata reticulate. It's
just all a bunch of it's just you know, how do you do that
in in uh this is a family show. Yeah, it's it's all just.
I mean, it's hiding your grandma's basement with some vasoline material. It's
just not it's not worth the paper it's printed on. There's so many holes
in that. And and Doughtie, of course, he says, oh,
I had nothing to do with that. But the email that divulge the information
and correct me if I'm wrong here was they were able to trace it back
to him in the original email that Martinez got or something like that. I
mean, it's the stuff is so taddy. I really try to stay above
the fray and not pay much attention to it. But and then Dulcie,
of course, I'll, I'll was distraction. Yeah, yeah, that was
all beneuits being led astray. He said, yeah, he flew up there
and saw a spaceship on the top of the Mesa And I mean I lived
pretty close to Dulce for fourteen years. But there are some weird things going
on. Sure, there's some weird things going on there. But the thing
that most people are familiar with, the hickory, well that's that's all.
That's for the outside people. That's just to keep everybody, you know,
looking in the wrong direction. The thing that spooks the Indians the most are
the little two foot dwarves that are seen all over the place there right in
town. They jump on cars in the parking lot of casino and in the
bigfoot siding. Hoyt Vladi, who was ahead of the Department of Public Safety
there for years. I've known him for many years. You know. He
went out, he says, on at least one hundred bigfoot reports, including
one event that he had happened right, you know, up close and personal
on his own ranch. So and when I was up there in two thousand
and nine, I saw some really good footage. I wish whoever it was
and had the cell phone footage would release it. That's some of the best
footage I've ever seen. Thing ran right across the road. It didn't look
like some Indian junk Indian in a big wookie suit either. I mean,
it was impressive. You can see the whites of the underneath of the feet.
You know, it was running away in the headlights. So you know,
the whole dulce thing is to me, it is, but there is
some one of the weird things there. I actually, uh Bill Burns,
you know UFO Hunters. Some people may like that show, so I may
not. I personally like Bill Burns. Um and he they saw this strange
half cow half something else. I don't know if you ever saw that show,
but it was really really bizarre. This uh it was a cow game
bird. It was, yeah, it was. It was like a genetic
it was just a weird deformed gaf. I mean that's yeah. I mean,
you know, I because of the way these these animals, uh you
know, some of them are able to uh become friendly with their own progeny
and stuff. Um, you know, occasionally in some of these closed words,
you'll you'll get some pretty interesting genetic deformities and stuff, and uh,
we never want to rule that out. It's just like, um, you
know the Ata Colma baby. It was definitely you know, it's it's untill
sue you. That's true. Yeah, he hasn't yet. And uh,
if anyone looks really hard. On YouTube, you can find a spoof I
did on uh on Stephen greer Um on the Ata Colma Baby. So just
check it out on YouTube see only karaoke I've ever done. It sounds like
a rap song at a coma baby. Actually, Ump, we just lost
I just lost hang on okay, so um here we're back. Okay,
I thought we lost the connection here. Good good um. So On the
topic of liars is Shane from Australia again on the topic of liars. That's
a good opening to have an opinion. Do you have an opinion on Bob
Lazar documentary? A documentary coming out on him fairly so much Corbell was doing.
I don't know what to make a lazzar. I think he may have
been profiled in his psych psych profiles. I think he did work out there.
I think he did have some experiences, but I think he may have
they may have set him up because he maybe fit some sort of profile for
someone that would see things, and even though he wasn't supposed to say anything
about it, he may have come out in his profile that he would talk.
So maybe they set him up for some really good disinformation so that he
would then approach John Lear and then you know, approach George Knapp and over
that whole disclosure of those area fifty one secrets came out. My eyes glaze
over when I when I hear the name Babalas are Richard Doti or some of
these people, I'm I'm into the really trying to get to the bottom of
this stuff by by exercising, you know, the powers of diagnostic science.
The people's stuff really leave me cold, especially when it's the government trying to
get people to propagate memes and and disinform the public. I really have no
time for that. There's someone that had just wrote and I don't know if
this is I don't have any proof of this. It's just so what someone
wrote in the chat rooman I'd like to if someone can send me a link,
I'm interested to see it that doctor Greer is accusing Nolan of academic of
academic fraud and is uh there's a court action pending. If someone can send
that, I'm interested. Who now Nolan was Martin Nolan? I think I
think I thought us first name was that, but it maybe something else.
He was one of the doctors involved in out at Stanford. That's right,
yeah, yeah, well, good luck without Stephen. I've been telling Stephen
at least way back when I first met him, over twenty five years ago.
In fact, I presented a little talk about the San Luis Valley.
He was visiting in the valley with some super wealthy high roller types, including
Lawrence Rockefeller's right hand man, and I had been fighting a brush fire and
was late, and I was not in a good mood. And when I
walked in and he started in on his you know, messianic thing, I
interrupted him three times and said, Stephen, your message is way more important
than you are. And that's you know, people say, what do you
think about Stephen Greer? His message is way more important than he is?
And who the hello elected him human kinds ambassador to the universe, and who
gives him the right to train people in charge him god godly, ungodly amounts
of money to become human kinds ambassadors to the universe. To me, it's
just, you know, it's called ye, it's ludicrous. And yeah,
and to charge them h for taking pictures of the spaceship that you can't really
see that he's I don't know, yeah, well, I you know,
don't get me you know that's Will Cocky And I think now we're getting into
the realm of the whistleblowers. And uh, you know that's where I get
in trouble when I start talking about these these uh you know, P.
T. Barnum types capitalizing on suckers born every minute. I have no time
for that. Bs. We only have a few minutes left. But you
you were mentioning, you're thinking, um that one of the ones that you
went, we got three it's to wrap here, so um contact in the
desert. You you're just seeing that things are just new aging. Is that
what it is? It's it's people that are so rapidly in the place of
wanting to believe that they're looking for anything that supports some sort of weird,
dysfunctional narrative that they have in their brain about what's going on. And so
David Wilcock and these others are presenting people that are filling in blanks and narratives
that have already false narratives that have already been presented. And now these people
are coming along and they're filling in blanks. They're they're they're they're fleshing out
the the meme, if you will, and it's all entertainment. There's nothing
to back any of this stuff up. Emery Smith, show me your DT
two fourteen, your separation agreement with with the with the government. Show me
that. Let me see it tells you where you were, how long you
were there? Everybody it's been in the military house one. Where's yours?
Three thousand aliens? You autopsy? Right? And how old are you?
You don't look like you're even forty? Now are you actually? Are you
actually witnessing them? Him saying this? Did you witness him? Versus just
something you think? I would waste my precious time listening to this guy.
I just take cliff notes from other people going oh, yeah, you should
have heard what he said. He's so yeah, he's autopsy and aliens.
It's like, okay, whatever, you know. David Wilcock will come up
with some You know, Corey Good was the last one. Now we have
Dan Marie Smith, and Pete Peterson was the one before Corey Good, and
Dan burrsh was the one before that. This is all a bunch of disinformation
bs. As far as I'm good, sir, there's no proof to back
any of it all. There's always I think from the very beginning though,
in the UFOs in particular the contacting Even then, there's always been this sort
of fringe Eleman, that's all. I think we'll always be there. But
do you think it's growing in? Yeah, it's like a virus. Yeah.
And what would you say to like the listener to protect themselves from it?
Just you know, for advice, what would you say? Well,
first of all, you know, question everything. Yeah, don't believe anything.
Don't suspend your disbelief just because you want it to be true. Number
one, do do diligence, do your research, find people that you respect
and that are objective, that aren't going to give you a bill of goods
and fill your head with bad science fiction, and do your own research.
Don't sit in your armchairs and believe and accept everything at face value. Yeah.
Yeah, oh no, no, I agree. So if someone wanted
to contact you, are you do you engage with Yeah? Absolutely? Yeah,
go to our Strange planet dot com. It's a strange planet, Martin,
It's our strange planet. And then very soon we'll have some announcements about
the go fund me campaign for the Sandwis Value Monitoring Project, and also we're
going to have a website and the streaming, you know, the actual images
the patrol function will be the streaming twenty four seven. Well, great,
excellent, Hey Chris, thanks so much. Hi. Thanks for the lobster
Man. Yeah that was great. Yeah all right, So all right,
so everyone, we are going to call it a night. Thank you so
much for listening or watching on YouTube or over at kg r A Radio.
We'll be back next week as always. And next week's guest and I just
want to make sure I have that right because that is Jennifer Stein. So
we're going to be talking a little bit about crop circles. That'll be kind
of interesting. I saw her, you know, I've been larious kind of
like the cattle mutulations. I don't know if there's any I don't really see
any connection. But Linda, I mean, Jennifer does such a great presentation.
I said, you know, I'd love to have you on your show
to hear you do that again because it was really good. This is when
I saw her out in out in Phoenix. So thank you so much everyone,
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