1 00:00:16,199 --> 00:00:20,440 What is up, fellow Thermo nuclear a efforts. I am Damn Valley coming 2 00:00:20,480 --> 00:00:25,359 at you with a totally unplanned podcast to cover McHale Bridges being traded to the 3 00:00:25,359 --> 00:00:30,559 New York Knicks or should we call them the New York Wildcats or the Villanova 4 00:00:30,600 --> 00:00:33,840 Knicks, whatever we want to call them. That reunion is happening. They 5 00:00:33,880 --> 00:00:36,479 got a haul. Let's just get into it. Please very quickly, remember 6 00:00:36,520 --> 00:00:39,520 to hit that subscribe button on YouTube wherever you get your podcast, Apple, 7 00:00:39,560 --> 00:00:42,840 Spotify, the whole nine. I got my puppy with me tonight to I'm 8 00:00:42,840 --> 00:00:46,439 on puppy duty late at night, so he is up. He is being 9 00:00:46,479 --> 00:00:50,039 a little bit of a menace. So I apologize in advance if that interrupts 10 00:00:50,119 --> 00:00:53,079 podcasts at all. But let's get into the hall. We have some rockets 11 00:00:53,119 --> 00:00:59,640 and nets talk clearly to get into here. But the Knicks are sending to 12 00:01:00,119 --> 00:01:06,560 Brooklyn for McHale Bridges, boy Bydanovich. The Knicks is twenty twenty five unprotected 13 00:01:06,599 --> 00:01:10,400 first round pick. Milwaukee's twenty twenty five first round pick, which will convey 14 00:01:10,439 --> 00:01:15,159 if it's between selections five through thirty, so it will probably convey. The 15 00:01:15,280 --> 00:01:19,719 Knicks is twenty twenty seven unprotected first round pick, the right to swap with 16 00:01:19,760 --> 00:01:23,719 the Knicks in twenty twenty eight that is also unprotected. The Knicks is unprotected 17 00:01:23,760 --> 00:01:27,280 twenty twenty nine first round pick, and New York's twenty thirty one unprotected first 18 00:01:27,359 --> 00:01:30,719 round pick. The Knicks, as far as I know, we're the first 19 00:01:30,760 --> 00:01:34,359 team to trade a two thousand and thirty one first round pick. This is 20 00:01:34,719 --> 00:01:38,560 a lot. They're getting McKale bridges back in return. We'll get into the 21 00:01:38,640 --> 00:01:41,400 other Nets transactions. What's this means for them? They also traded with Houston. 22 00:01:41,439 --> 00:01:47,480 They basically sent Phoenix's twenty twenty seven first to Houston in exchange for Brooklyn's 23 00:01:47,480 --> 00:01:52,159 own twenty twenty six first round pick back and then the right to veto the 24 00:01:52,680 --> 00:01:55,040 not the right to veto the swap. But that twenty twenty five swap that 25 00:01:55,079 --> 00:01:57,920 Brooklyn knows to Houston is now gone, so they regained control of their next 26 00:01:57,959 --> 00:02:02,239 two first round picks base from that trade. But this Knicks Hall right now, 27 00:02:02,319 --> 00:02:08,000 it amounts to just a boltload. We're talking four unprotected first round picks 28 00:02:08,199 --> 00:02:14,719 plus Milwaukee's pick plus that swap, so five first round picks, a swap 29 00:02:14,719 --> 00:02:17,159 and voted by Danovich. That's in material. This is why they acquired him 30 00:02:17,199 --> 00:02:23,479 to get McHale Bridges. Mckal bridges is fit here is in. I mean, 31 00:02:23,479 --> 00:02:25,360 we need to get to the implications of this, but the fit of 32 00:02:25,439 --> 00:02:30,039 McHale Bridges initially, there's so much that tie together. It will work. 33 00:02:30,199 --> 00:02:34,599 You're now making him. Julius Randall's still here your third offensive option. Probably 34 00:02:34,639 --> 00:02:38,919 sometimes you're fourth, depending on how you feel about Josh Hart or maybe Dante 35 00:02:38,960 --> 00:02:47,560 DiVincenzo. But what is up, fellow thermonuclear a effors. I am dan 36 00:02:47,599 --> 00:02:51,960 for Valley, coming at you with an emergency podcast. Michael Bridges is a 37 00:02:51,960 --> 00:02:54,240 member of the New York Knicks. We did not display talking about this right 38 00:02:54,280 --> 00:02:58,560 now, very quickly, since we're throwing out so much content right now. 39 00:02:58,599 --> 00:03:00,120 Just remember subscribe if you're new on you Tube, Apple, Spotify, or 40 00:03:00,120 --> 00:03:02,919 ever you get your podcasts. If you're if you're already a member of the 41 00:03:04,280 --> 00:03:07,639 Proud Sicico family, steal people's phones and just subscribe them on YouTube and across 42 00:03:07,639 --> 00:03:12,280 all podcast platforms. Very much appreciate all the continued support. Let's get into 43 00:03:12,319 --> 00:03:14,479 Michel Bridge to the Knicks. Then we'll talk about the nets. There's a 44 00:03:14,520 --> 00:03:17,560 Rockets element to this too, but let's get into the details of mckal bridges 45 00:03:17,599 --> 00:03:22,800 going to the New York Knicks. First. This is a Brooklyn is getting 46 00:03:22,840 --> 00:03:25,840 a haul, so the Knicks are sending Brooklyn in addition to boy On Bydonovich's 47 00:03:25,840 --> 00:03:31,080 salary, the Knicks's unprotected picks in twenty twenty five, twenty twenty seven, 48 00:03:31,159 --> 00:03:35,719 twenty twenty nine, and two thousand and thirty one. The Nets are also 49 00:03:35,759 --> 00:03:40,879 getting Milwaukee's twenty twenty five first round pick that will convey if it's in between 50 00:03:42,080 --> 00:03:45,840 selections number five through thirty, so will most likely convey if it doesn't, 51 00:03:45,879 --> 00:03:49,439 something's gone wrong in Milwaukee. And the Knicks also sent their twenty twenty eight 52 00:03:49,439 --> 00:03:53,360 first round swap that is unprotected, and then per WOJA twenty twenty six second 53 00:03:53,439 --> 00:03:55,439 rounder, they already have that outgoing. It's like a weird swap situation. 54 00:03:55,680 --> 00:04:00,479 So this amounts to four unprotected first round picks, five first round picks in 55 00:04:00,520 --> 00:04:03,639 total, plus a swap, and then a second rounder and then, of 56 00:04:03,639 --> 00:04:09,560 course, however you feel about putting Mardonovich going out, we can now call 57 00:04:09,599 --> 00:04:12,240 them the New York Wildcats, the Villanova Nicks, whatever you want to go 58 00:04:12,280 --> 00:04:15,840 there just reunite Jalen Brunston, Dante DiVincenzo, Josh Hart with Kel Bridges. 59 00:04:15,879 --> 00:04:17,839 There's gonna be some pretty awesome podcasts happening, imagine. I think they're already 60 00:04:17,839 --> 00:04:24,759 facetiming. So there's an incredibly interesting deal and it telegraphs a bunch of things, 61 00:04:25,240 --> 00:04:28,800 and I think, look very quickly. When MIKEL Bridges is fit, 62 00:04:28,920 --> 00:04:31,759 he fits everywhere, So we don't need to get into whether this will work 63 00:04:31,800 --> 00:04:35,480 with him. You come in and he's now your third option behind Jalen Brunson 64 00:04:35,480 --> 00:04:39,360 and Randall who's staying as part of this deal, unless there are other steps 65 00:04:39,360 --> 00:04:42,560 to take. We will get into that in a second. That's probably his 66 00:04:42,600 --> 00:04:44,879 perfect role. I still think he could definitely be a number two. But 67 00:04:44,879 --> 00:04:46,959 the way he works off the ball, and we're also doing less on the 68 00:04:47,000 --> 00:04:50,800 ball offensively, will allow him to probably ratchet up his defense, which has 69 00:04:50,839 --> 00:04:56,000 slipped a tad since he's been traded to Brooklyn. That's gonna be a big 70 00:04:56,000 --> 00:04:59,560 time for the Knicks, especially if they're able to keep O Gananobi, which 71 00:04:59,600 --> 00:05:02,879 will as they are committed to keeping Annobe. It's just the thing with Ananobe 72 00:05:02,920 --> 00:05:05,480 now, and this is the implications that you almost want to get into. 73 00:05:05,519 --> 00:05:10,800 First, is the Knicks like they made the move and decided that this is 74 00:05:10,839 --> 00:05:13,879 the move, that mchal Bridges is the guy that they're not going to wait 75 00:05:13,920 --> 00:05:16,519 on another guy, a better player to become available. Mckail bridges is something 76 00:05:16,600 --> 00:05:21,240 like probably what the in any given season, and this might be the high 77 00:05:21,360 --> 00:05:26,560 end, the twenty fifth to the fortieth best player in the NBA we would 78 00:05:26,600 --> 00:05:28,639 have to go through. There's a lot to give up for someone though, 79 00:05:28,639 --> 00:05:31,360 who is not in any given season probably going to contend for an All Star 80 00:05:31,399 --> 00:05:34,040 team. Now, his salary definitely had something to do with it. He 81 00:05:34,160 --> 00:05:38,240 will be he can sign an extension right now. He won't, but he 82 00:05:38,279 --> 00:05:41,000 can get to a point where he's signing a three year extension in six months 83 00:05:41,000 --> 00:05:44,439 for one hundred and thirteen million dollars. If he signs this, that looks 84 00:05:44,480 --> 00:05:46,319 a lot better. What I will also say is, now, does this 85 00:05:46,360 --> 00:05:48,920 make it more likely that Jalen Brunton extends at his four year, one P 86 00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:53,480 fifty six point five number rather than wait to get the free agency next year 87 00:05:53,519 --> 00:05:57,000 when if you got the max, we're talking five years to seventy or whatever. 88 00:05:57,319 --> 00:06:00,240 So there, if that element is part of it that may have factored 89 00:06:00,279 --> 00:06:03,800 into Nix's cost. Kind of similar to this is different, but if jale 90 00:06:03,839 --> 00:06:06,439 Brunson said, I will sign this below market extension if you go out and 91 00:06:06,439 --> 00:06:10,600 get McHale Bridges, it's kind of similar to Kawhi time. The Clippers will 92 00:06:10,600 --> 00:06:13,839 sign with them if they go out and trade for Paul George. It's different, 93 00:06:13,920 --> 00:06:16,639 but like it could be that could be part of this thinking from New 94 00:06:16,680 --> 00:06:19,199 York is that, Okay, we have mckail bridges on below market deal. 95 00:06:19,360 --> 00:06:21,720 Jalen Brunton is going to stay on a below market deal. We're fine with 96 00:06:21,800 --> 00:06:26,000 Dante de Vincenzo looks like a steal. We have Mitchell Robinson on a great 97 00:06:26,040 --> 00:06:28,959 contract. We don't have any bad deals, and we were going to continue 98 00:06:28,959 --> 00:06:30,360 to have no bad deals in the book. So you're at least flexible in 99 00:06:30,439 --> 00:06:35,000 terms of your actual players. But now you've exhausted your pick stores. You 100 00:06:35,000 --> 00:06:39,920 still have the Detroit and Washington picks, which are protected until Kingdom come. 101 00:06:39,920 --> 00:06:44,439 Who knows if they will ever convey. Detroit's kind of like hitting reset again, 102 00:06:44,480 --> 00:06:47,240 and Washington's already in the infancy infancy of its rebuild from last year. 103 00:06:47,439 --> 00:06:50,600 But in theory, you have those two picks to dangle, in addition to 104 00:06:50,839 --> 00:06:56,920 players who have value. But what this does is it puts the Knicks in 105 00:06:56,959 --> 00:07:00,439 a situation where they're probably going to lose at least one of og Annobey or 106 00:07:00,480 --> 00:07:06,439 Isaiah Hartenstein, because the Knicks not just aggregated salaries but also took back more 107 00:07:06,439 --> 00:07:11,720 money than they sent out, which I think was an interesting choice. They 108 00:07:11,759 --> 00:07:15,040 could have structured this deal to where they were shaving money off of it so 109 00:07:15,079 --> 00:07:19,160 that they weren't hard capped beneath the first apron, but now they are. 110 00:07:19,199 --> 00:07:23,639 They are hard capped beneath the first apron, and so that is going to 111 00:07:23,759 --> 00:07:27,759 be the number what they're working with. And so let's get into their actual 112 00:07:27,800 --> 00:07:30,600 books, because I do think the one of the biggest implications here is, 113 00:07:30,720 --> 00:07:33,399 Okay, well what does this mean for og What does this mean for Isaiah 114 00:07:33,399 --> 00:07:36,519 Hartenstein. This is just a quick cheat sheet I threw together. This is 115 00:07:36,600 --> 00:07:40,079 I'm currently I don't know when this will get up, but I'm currently this 116 00:07:40,160 --> 00:07:42,480 is inside an hour after the trades, so I figured I just put this 117 00:07:42,560 --> 00:07:47,199 for illustrative purposes if you're watching on YouTube. And so the first apron is 118 00:07:47,199 --> 00:07:50,279 set at about one hundred and seventy eight point seven million. It's slightly under 119 00:07:50,319 --> 00:07:54,040 that if you look at what the Knicks have right now, and I've only 120 00:07:54,040 --> 00:07:57,120 included there could be a minimum roster charge here, but I'm including the max 121 00:07:57,120 --> 00:08:01,319 for Ognnobi and Isaiah Hartenstein on their books, so they're guaranteed money that you 122 00:08:01,439 --> 00:08:03,959 just know is going to be on their books as of now. Julius Randall, 123 00:08:05,000 --> 00:08:09,240 Brunson, Bridges, Hart Robinson, Dante DiVincenzo, Deuce McBride, and 124 00:08:09,279 --> 00:08:13,120 then the holds for pick number twenty four, number twenty five. I would 125 00:08:13,120 --> 00:08:16,680 also pencil Jericho Simms in there, so he has a team option, but 126 00:08:16,759 --> 00:08:20,399 for two point one million dollars you're just not going to get better value out 127 00:08:20,439 --> 00:08:22,959 of even if he's considered your third center at that point, so you have 128 00:08:24,079 --> 00:08:28,480 him on the books. Now, to those ten players, the Knicks have 129 00:08:28,639 --> 00:08:33,759 one hundred and thirty three point five million dollars committed. The salary cap is 130 00:08:33,799 --> 00:08:37,000 at one forty one. Like I said, so if you renounced o Jannanoby 131 00:08:37,000 --> 00:08:39,360 and Isaiah Hartenstein like you could in theory, here have a little bit of 132 00:08:39,840 --> 00:08:43,559 like just a little bit of money, but you're not going to do that. 133 00:08:43,639 --> 00:08:46,080 And so if you look at what the maxes are going to command for 134 00:08:46,360 --> 00:08:50,519 Isaiah Hartenstein, oh Giannoby, now all of a sudden, this is not 135 00:08:50,840 --> 00:08:54,159 what they would actually be spending because again it's illegal. Oh Jannoby can get 136 00:08:54,200 --> 00:08:56,720 forty two point three million, and Isaiah Hartenstein from the Knicks can get about 137 00:08:56,720 --> 00:09:01,120 sixteen point two million if you pen them in for their max salaries again just 138 00:09:01,120 --> 00:09:07,519 as placeholders to work with, you would be thirteen point three million dollars above 139 00:09:07,799 --> 00:09:11,200 the first apron. And so if you want to get to a point where 140 00:09:11,240 --> 00:09:16,799 you are retaining both og and Isaiah Hartnstein and they are both commanding the max 141 00:09:16,840 --> 00:09:20,879 that you could give them, you effectively have to shave like more than so 142 00:09:20,879 --> 00:09:24,679 you're gonna replace these with minimum roster charges, and you're still gonna leave yourself 143 00:09:24,679 --> 00:09:28,759 barely any flexibility beneath the first apron. Like you're probably looking at, it's 144 00:09:28,759 --> 00:09:31,000 not just a matter of Okay, we need to shave fourteen million dollars. 145 00:09:31,039 --> 00:09:35,080 You probably need to take off more of that number. And so from where 146 00:09:35,080 --> 00:09:37,200 I'm coming from is that this could be a situation where you need to dump 147 00:09:37,600 --> 00:09:41,960 Mitchell Robinson plus one of those first and then that in theory would give you 148 00:09:43,000 --> 00:09:46,759 the ability to max out. But unless I'm missing something again, I did 149 00:09:46,759 --> 00:09:50,440 put this together and incredibly quickly. I don't think it was super slap dash, 150 00:09:50,480 --> 00:09:52,919 but brow my notes and what we did on their off season, this 151 00:09:52,960 --> 00:09:56,279 seems about right. Like you could do that. I mean, and maybe 152 00:09:56,320 --> 00:10:00,440 you get first round picks back for that, and that reset some your cash 153 00:10:00,480 --> 00:10:03,000 stores and you decide, Okay, Jericho Simms is ready for more minutes, 154 00:10:03,080 --> 00:10:05,799 or we'll take another cheaper backup big off the market. But as of right 155 00:10:05,840 --> 00:10:09,159 now, I mean, if you were even trying to finagle it like you 156 00:10:09,200 --> 00:10:11,200 could. I know some fans have hoped that Ogn and Obi would take below 157 00:10:11,519 --> 00:10:16,000 market value. Let's throw Ogn and ob in there for thirty five million, 158 00:10:16,039 --> 00:10:18,440 which is just the absolute bare minimum I could imagine him getting. You are 159 00:10:18,480 --> 00:10:22,840 still at that point, you would project to me six million dollars, but 160 00:10:22,080 --> 00:10:26,759 the excuse me ahead of the first apron, so that's a lot of money 161 00:10:26,759 --> 00:10:28,039 that's easier to shed. It could be a matter of all, right, 162 00:10:28,320 --> 00:10:31,440 Deuce McBride, in one of the first round picks, you're shedding, and 163 00:10:31,679 --> 00:10:35,000 but then okay, now we need to fill up so kind of need to 164 00:10:35,000 --> 00:10:37,679 back up point guard here, which you might argue that they need anyway, 165 00:10:37,679 --> 00:10:39,600 even with the addition of bridges. I think they just have enough secondary playmaking. 166 00:10:39,679 --> 00:10:43,639 It's fine. So and you could say, well, what if Isaiah 167 00:10:43,639 --> 00:10:46,879 Hartenstein takes less. I mean, he's not going to take six million less. 168 00:10:46,879 --> 00:10:48,960 We're not going to get og at thirty million and Isaiah hart and Stein 169 00:10:48,960 --> 00:10:50,879 at like twelve or whatever it is, and that's how you get there, 170 00:10:52,000 --> 00:10:58,200 or so this effectively means and I look, my prediction would be that ogn 171 00:10:58,200 --> 00:11:00,720 it'll we probably get at least forty million to start. It wouldn't shock me 172 00:11:00,720 --> 00:11:03,399 if he gets a max and I would put thirty five million, I'd be 173 00:11:03,600 --> 00:11:09,279 absolutely flabbergasted if he ends up making less than that or that like that is 174 00:11:09,320 --> 00:11:11,360 the I wouldn't even say that as the over under because I'm pretty confident and 175 00:11:11,399 --> 00:11:15,240 I would think that you're definitely gonna go over. And so you made this 176 00:11:15,440 --> 00:11:20,960 trade effectively knowing that you're either gonna lose at least one of Ogiananobi or as 177 00:11:20,960 --> 00:11:24,039 a Hertenstein, or that you're gonna go into this and say, unless are 178 00:11:24,080 --> 00:11:28,519 you gonna look to break up Julius Randall into smaller contracts. I don't. 179 00:11:28,000 --> 00:11:31,639 I don't know what Julius Randall's standalone value would be around the league as basically 180 00:11:31,679 --> 00:11:35,600 an expiring contracts. Since he is a player option, you could attack picks 181 00:11:35,840 --> 00:11:39,879 to him. I get it, you could do something there. But now 182 00:11:39,879 --> 00:11:41,879 that you're if you want to attach the Washington or Detroit picks, I don't 183 00:11:41,879 --> 00:11:45,320 know who the best player you're bringing in that's also gonna help you. By 184 00:11:45,320 --> 00:11:48,720 the way, like now, shave money like you're just you could take, 185 00:11:48,960 --> 00:11:50,200 you could take, but you still need to stay beneath the first apron. 186 00:11:50,200 --> 00:11:54,240 You could technically take back more money since you're hardcap to that, and you 187 00:11:54,279 --> 00:11:58,600 do maintain your ability to aggregate here, which is good. But this was 188 00:11:58,639 --> 00:12:01,879 a decision. It's it's not just you know, it's not just about adding 189 00:12:01,960 --> 00:12:05,840 mckel bridges into the program. It's about getting to a point where you've now 190 00:12:05,879 --> 00:12:11,120 locked yourself into a roster that will probably be down at least one more significant 191 00:12:11,159 --> 00:12:13,799 player, whether that's again Mitchell Robinson. I don't. I really can't picture 192 00:12:13,840 --> 00:12:18,440 them like Dante DiVincenzo, I would assume is imagine breaking up like trading a 193 00:12:18,519 --> 00:12:24,200 Villanova wild cat after just acquiring mckeal bridges. So like the best absolute pathway 194 00:12:24,759 --> 00:12:28,440 to do it would be you probably hope that Og takes a little less like 195 00:12:28,519 --> 00:12:31,840 than his max. Like let's put him in for thirty seven million, and 196 00:12:31,879 --> 00:12:35,720 then we're gonna not three point seven million. That would be a steal for 197 00:12:35,720 --> 00:12:37,960 the next and then we have to keep eye Isaiah Hornstein is his max. 198 00:12:39,000 --> 00:12:41,559 So you looking at sixteen point two for him, thirty seven for Og. 199 00:12:43,279 --> 00:12:46,600 At that point, that's basically a total of a little over fifty million dollars 200 00:12:46,600 --> 00:12:50,600 for the two of the fifty three million dollars for the two of them. 201 00:12:50,879 --> 00:12:52,799 You're at that point you need to cut like ten million because we need to 202 00:12:52,799 --> 00:12:56,759 factor in roster charges here. That's that's still it's Robinson, Like that would 203 00:12:56,799 --> 00:13:01,279 be the name, Like you're not gonna step ladder your way with Deuce McBride, 204 00:13:01,279 --> 00:13:03,879 pick number twenty four, pick number twenty five. It's like that would 205 00:13:03,879 --> 00:13:07,320 be the name that I would keep an eye on if you think the Knicks 206 00:13:07,360 --> 00:13:11,159 are gonna try and keep Og and Isaiah Harder signed, because they absolutely could 207 00:13:11,240 --> 00:13:15,639 trade Mitchell Robinson just into someone's cap space or the trade exception if it's out 208 00:13:15,679 --> 00:13:18,759 there. You might even get a first round pick back for it, Like 209 00:13:18,759 --> 00:13:22,120 would honestly, would if okay, see I know that they want to play 210 00:13:22,159 --> 00:13:26,279 five out, would they just throw you a whatever first round pick for Mitchell 211 00:13:26,360 --> 00:13:28,360 Robinson and then they it's you know, they're still gonna play five out, 212 00:13:28,399 --> 00:13:31,639 but sometimes they'll play next to Chet or maybe it's the backup big. You 213 00:13:31,759 --> 00:13:35,720 just get him there. You really hit the offensive glass and he's playing twenty 214 00:13:35,799 --> 00:13:37,639 twenty five minutes a night for you, I mean, his price point, 215 00:13:37,679 --> 00:13:39,480 Why wouldn't you do it? So you could do that if you view Isaiah 216 00:13:39,480 --> 00:13:43,679 Hartner sign as just a lot more valuable. But yeah, those are the 217 00:13:43,720 --> 00:13:48,399 Knicks's finances, so they're like that. That is just the reality that they 218 00:13:48,399 --> 00:13:50,879 are not going to keep someone's taking a massive pay cut if it's happen. 219 00:13:50,919 --> 00:13:56,320 Honestly, they're not gonna keep Isaiah Harner sign and og Ananobi without further collateral 220 00:13:56,399 --> 00:13:58,639 damage. And I think if you're looking at it in terms of importance, 221 00:13:58,679 --> 00:14:03,399 you would be way more flexible if it's hard and sign instead of og But 222 00:14:03,480 --> 00:14:05,840 after giving up quickly in Barratt and then the course, the what became the 223 00:14:07,000 --> 00:14:11,960 was the number thirty one pick in this year's draft, like you, you 224 00:14:11,039 --> 00:14:16,639 can't just let Og walk. Now, what's an interesting negotiation element here is 225 00:14:18,559 --> 00:14:20,679 does Og want this bigger role on offense? Which is something we heard about 226 00:14:20,720 --> 00:14:24,919 him in Toronto, and from what I understand, like that stuff was valid, 227 00:14:24,919 --> 00:14:28,159 it wasn't valid. I don't think to the point that he was like 228 00:14:28,360 --> 00:14:31,960 a malcontent and demanding a trade like how everyone kind of framed it a lot 229 00:14:31,960 --> 00:14:33,799 of time in the reporting. But we know he wants sort of this bigger 230 00:14:33,799 --> 00:14:37,159 offensive role and we never we saw some of it when he was healthy with 231 00:14:37,200 --> 00:14:39,879 New York, which wasn't for long in both the regular season and postseason. 232 00:14:41,120 --> 00:14:45,200 But this adds you're really adding two wrinkles into the equation here because he didn't 233 00:14:45,240 --> 00:14:48,720 spend a ton of like you had the Julius Randall injury, and so the 234 00:14:48,759 --> 00:14:50,840 pecking order was all kind of fucked up. You just had Jalen Brunson was 235 00:14:50,840 --> 00:14:54,159 basically the only established pecking order guy. Now you're bringing it. Now, 236 00:14:54,159 --> 00:14:58,159 you're getting back to guys. Julius Rand's gonna be healthy. And then you 237 00:14:58,240 --> 00:15:01,759 have Mchal Bridges now coming in, who should in theory be ahead of you 238 00:15:01,759 --> 00:15:05,320 in the offensive pecking order. Now McHale Bridges is so good off the ball, 239 00:15:05,039 --> 00:15:09,720 and that the Knicks just have It's like all this secondary these ball movers, 240 00:15:09,759 --> 00:15:13,559 whether they're on the ball off the ball, like the offense shouldn't necessarily 241 00:15:13,759 --> 00:15:16,720 stick or the ball shouldn't necessarily stick. There might not be a ton of 242 00:15:16,720 --> 00:15:20,679 body motion at points at times in the Knicks offense. So you could sell 243 00:15:20,720 --> 00:15:22,799 o janeon obia, like there really is kind of no third option here, 244 00:15:22,840 --> 00:15:26,799 and you'll be in lineups where it's just you and Michal Bridges or maybe just 245 00:15:26,840 --> 00:15:30,639 you and Julius and so you're gonna be the day facto number two in those 246 00:15:30,639 --> 00:15:33,039 spots anyway. Or you could just straight out max amount and say, hey, 247 00:15:33,080 --> 00:15:37,600 here's your five year max and that's how we're gonna get you to stays. 248 00:15:37,600 --> 00:15:39,519 We're just we're just gonna overload you with money. Again, if it's 249 00:15:39,519 --> 00:15:45,639 sort of turned into like if it's sort of turned into an issue with negotiats, 250 00:15:45,679 --> 00:15:46,480 and we don't know that it did. There was reports that he was 251 00:15:46,559 --> 00:15:50,000 unhappy with his first offer from the Knicks. Maybe they tried to low ball 252 00:15:50,120 --> 00:15:54,879 him, which just seems I'm curious with the low ball honestly what the low 253 00:15:54,879 --> 00:15:58,279 ball actually looks like for him. But a four year MAX from the Knicks 254 00:15:58,279 --> 00:16:00,000 is running one eighty nine point five. We've we've talked about that. And 255 00:16:00,039 --> 00:16:03,360 then if he's getting the two year up to two year, well the five 256 00:16:03,440 --> 00:16:07,720 year max you're looking at two forty five point three for that, which is 257 00:16:07,759 --> 00:16:11,799 a you know, it's a lot of money for Ognanobi. Maybe this lands 258 00:16:11,799 --> 00:16:15,120 where he gets a fifty year without a max. I will say before getting 259 00:16:15,120 --> 00:16:18,480 into some of the larger implications here, I don't think you make this move 260 00:16:18,519 --> 00:16:22,600 without knowing that you have the inside track on keeping o g Annoby, because 261 00:16:22,639 --> 00:16:26,559 you're not any closer than you in my opinion, you might be maybe like 262 00:16:26,600 --> 00:16:32,080 a little closer, but Ojannanobe is when he's healthy, one of the like 263 00:16:33,200 --> 00:16:36,679 ten best defenders in the game, and that's probably even expanding the field too 264 00:16:36,720 --> 00:16:38,960 much there. You can't really say the same about Michael Bridges. I think 265 00:16:38,960 --> 00:16:41,200 I did have him. He was like pretty high on my defensive Player of 266 00:16:41,240 --> 00:16:45,279 the Year ballot one season, but like what, he will make up things 267 00:16:45,279 --> 00:16:48,440 for you on offense. But I don't think that you make this move if 268 00:16:48,720 --> 00:16:53,279 you believe you're losing og Ananoby because your championship equity. Okay, maybe you're 269 00:16:53,279 --> 00:16:57,440 a little bit closer to competing with the Celtics or just winning a title than 270 00:16:57,480 --> 00:17:02,080 you were if you had O instead of Bridges, but like it's not a 271 00:17:02,080 --> 00:17:04,440 meaningful enough difference to say we're gonna make this move anyway, Like if you 272 00:17:04,640 --> 00:17:07,799 if you actually thought OG was leaving, you don't make this trade in my 273 00:17:07,839 --> 00:17:11,200 mind because with OG, now you're trying to replicate a bunch of different stuff. 274 00:17:11,359 --> 00:17:15,960 You're not like super wing heavy, but just between the positional malleability of 275 00:17:17,000 --> 00:17:19,480 a Josh hart even of a Dante DiVincenzo a little bit, and now you 276 00:17:19,519 --> 00:17:25,279 have OG, now you have McHale Bridges, you can really throw some wrinkles 277 00:17:25,279 --> 00:17:27,319 into the way that you're defending. You can be versatile that way, even 278 00:17:27,359 --> 00:17:30,720 with Deuce McBride in just certain those lineups. So if you do, I 279 00:17:30,720 --> 00:17:33,480 mean Mitchell Robinson of course on the back line. This does bring questions though, 280 00:17:33,480 --> 00:17:37,440 of losing Isaiah Hartenstein as Jericho Sims ready for a bigger role. Do 281 00:17:37,480 --> 00:17:41,160 you look at because you have OG, like maybe we really see more Julius 282 00:17:41,200 --> 00:17:42,799 Randall at the five. Do you just go out and get another type of 283 00:17:42,839 --> 00:17:45,960 big I don't think the Knicks are done, this is to say, and 284 00:17:47,200 --> 00:17:49,720 it wouldn't shock me because there were reports by the way that the Knicks were 285 00:17:49,759 --> 00:17:55,359 shopping Mitchell Robinson here that their ultimate plan is to try and figure out how 286 00:17:55,440 --> 00:18:00,599 to keep Hartenstein and og Anobi after the trade. It just my guess would 287 00:18:00,640 --> 00:18:04,319 be that he would be the collateral damage going out. And if you wanted 288 00:18:04,319 --> 00:18:08,640 to get into whether you think it should be him or Julius Randall, everyone 289 00:18:08,680 --> 00:18:11,279 who listens to this podcast knows how I feel about Julius Randall. The fact 290 00:18:11,279 --> 00:18:14,599 of the matter is, if you are all of a sudden sloting mckill bridges 291 00:18:14,640 --> 00:18:18,000 up to your number two, I don't know how good I feel about that 292 00:18:18,400 --> 00:18:19,960 relative to the rest of this roster. I I would entertain it, but 293 00:18:19,960 --> 00:18:26,880 I now ultimately think that Julius Randall in some way has become more important. 294 00:18:26,240 --> 00:18:29,839 That's like, that's a weird thing to say, if it's because if you 295 00:18:29,880 --> 00:18:33,480 were acquiring a different type of star, I would say that. If it 296 00:18:33,640 --> 00:18:37,319 was Paul George, for instance, I know he's older, but if it 297 00:18:37,359 --> 00:18:41,720 was Paul George, I'm more comfortable with him as your number two over the 298 00:18:41,720 --> 00:18:44,319 course of an entire season, including the playoffs. You can make the jokes 299 00:18:44,319 --> 00:18:47,599 about what he's just just did this postseason if you want to. But if 300 00:18:47,599 --> 00:18:49,319 it was a Devin Booker, if it was even it was Don fin Mitchell, 301 00:18:49,359 --> 00:18:52,359 who I didn't think was a fan. I'm not saying those are players 302 00:18:52,359 --> 00:18:55,119 the Knicks would have been better off with. I'm saying it makes you can 303 00:18:55,400 --> 00:18:57,960 you can argue to me, or I can make the argument that Julius Randall's 304 00:18:59,000 --> 00:19:02,359 less valuable to you if you're getting one of those players as supposed to get 305 00:19:02,519 --> 00:19:04,480 Chal Bridges. Okay, he's kind of fine as a number two, but 306 00:19:04,640 --> 00:19:10,480 like Julius Randall, there's just like a force to him, more layers to 307 00:19:10,480 --> 00:19:12,559 the way that he is going to handle the ball and attack defenses. Mcal 308 00:19:12,640 --> 00:19:15,240 Bridge is by far the better fit off the ball. He's more versatile overall, 309 00:19:15,319 --> 00:19:19,000 especially when you're factoring in the defense. But I do think that keeping 310 00:19:19,079 --> 00:19:23,160 Randall now, unless you're gonna get some type of another I don't know, 311 00:19:23,799 --> 00:19:26,920 B level shot like someone who's on the level of Mchal Bridges in terms of 312 00:19:26,920 --> 00:19:30,400 shot creation, not overall as a player. I don't think you're getting that 313 00:19:30,400 --> 00:19:33,559 for Julius Randall. So it because I'm mentioning the Julius Randle stuff, because 314 00:19:33,559 --> 00:19:37,359 he makes so much money that you would just have more options at your disposal 315 00:19:37,400 --> 00:19:38,519 where it's, well, we don't have to just dump him. Can we 316 00:19:38,559 --> 00:19:42,680 get back a player who's making you half his salary? But I don't know 317 00:19:42,680 --> 00:19:45,079 what Cap Space team is actually wanting to do that. You may have to 318 00:19:45,160 --> 00:19:48,960 rope in third and fourth teams to get it done. I think that when 319 00:19:48,960 --> 00:19:51,240 you look at the roster, though it's Mitchell Robinson is just the guy. 320 00:19:51,319 --> 00:19:52,640 You look at the price point that's there, how easy it would be to 321 00:19:52,680 --> 00:19:56,039 move him. Maybe you're even getting a first round pick back for his services. 322 00:19:56,359 --> 00:20:00,960 So I think that, I mean, you could probably make the case 323 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:03,559 that just because he's an expiring cut, would okay? Would he work in 324 00:20:03,599 --> 00:20:06,359 OKAC like everyone wants them to go after a John Collins type flyers? The 325 00:20:06,440 --> 00:20:10,640 Nicks aren't asking for a bunch for Julius Randall. Would you give up like 326 00:20:10,720 --> 00:20:14,039 a whatever for that? I don't. I probably wouldn't if I'm the thunder 327 00:20:14,119 --> 00:20:18,480 just to I don't want to necessarily mess with because Randall, he's gotten better 328 00:20:18,599 --> 00:20:19,759 I think over the past year and a half when he's healthy, a kind 329 00:20:19,799 --> 00:20:25,039 of working in like the co Spotlight where he doesn't necessarily need the ball as 330 00:20:25,119 --> 00:20:26,680 much and looking five out in Okay, see, he'd actually be great, 331 00:20:26,799 --> 00:20:30,400 Like imagine him driving in okac. My point though, is even in that 332 00:20:30,480 --> 00:20:33,720 trade Okay, you could clear up a bunch of money. Maybe you get 333 00:20:33,759 --> 00:20:37,680 back a player. I don't know who that player is. You're certainly not 334 00:20:37,720 --> 00:20:41,559 going to get Casey and Wallace for him from them. You're more probably getting 335 00:20:41,559 --> 00:20:44,359 picks and then the extra leaf that it would take to allow you to keep 336 00:20:44,400 --> 00:20:47,200 ogn Andobi and Isaiah Harnsch on the top of their price points. But I 337 00:20:47,200 --> 00:20:49,920 think you now need his shock creation, his ability to break down defenses, 338 00:20:49,960 --> 00:20:53,599 more than you would have had you acquire a different type of star, which 339 00:20:53,640 --> 00:20:57,559 is in the same mccal bridges was the wrong acquisition. It's just that he's 340 00:20:57,559 --> 00:21:00,880 not going to be on the same levels a lot of the other names they 341 00:21:00,920 --> 00:21:03,039 were. I think you look, you can't make the case that he's just 342 00:21:03,039 --> 00:21:04,400 not on the same level of karl Anthy Towns. It's just someone who could 343 00:21:04,400 --> 00:21:08,559 get downhill and have some counters with the ball. Colney town just makes more 344 00:21:08,599 --> 00:21:12,599 bone headed passes, it feels like. But I'm just saying that it's more 345 00:21:12,640 --> 00:21:17,039 of a discussion now. And look, this is to say, like the 346 00:21:17,079 --> 00:21:18,519 players that we're talking about, Paul George, I got into this on the 347 00:21:18,519 --> 00:21:22,039 podcast just because of the limitations it would have required. But the Knicks made 348 00:21:22,079 --> 00:21:26,480 the same limitations here. It's just easier because mchael Bridges is so cheap. 349 00:21:26,200 --> 00:21:30,119 But like to have locked yourself into beneath the first apron when Paul George is 350 00:21:30,119 --> 00:21:34,039 making forty eight plus million next year, already opted into his contract so McKale 351 00:21:34,039 --> 00:21:38,160 Bridges could be the right player. Was the cost the right price to pay? 352 00:21:38,319 --> 00:21:41,759 No, this isn't overpay for mchaeal Bridges. Shout out to everyone who 353 00:21:41,759 --> 00:21:45,839 came. I proposed many mchal Bridges trades. They said I was batshit crazy 354 00:21:45,920 --> 00:21:49,359 for suggesting three first round picks and swaps. And I always just had an 355 00:21:49,400 --> 00:21:52,279 inkling that if you're gonna get mchael Bridges from the Nets, you're gonna overpay 356 00:21:52,279 --> 00:21:56,359 for him. That's what the Knicks did. You make that move. One 357 00:21:56,559 --> 00:21:59,319 again, if you know that OG is coming back, I'm gonna stand by 358 00:21:59,359 --> 00:22:02,519 that. But two, and I'm moditoring my phone here is I have my 359 00:22:02,519 --> 00:22:04,920 puppy by the way, for anyone who cares, and he's currently licking my 360 00:22:06,039 --> 00:22:07,759 leg. So that's also why I'm a little bit distracted. I'm just making 361 00:22:07,799 --> 00:22:11,319 sure that there's no other details that are popping up right now. So you're 362 00:22:11,319 --> 00:22:15,160 making this move because you believe like this is the missing piece, like we 363 00:22:15,240 --> 00:22:18,920 are now the biggest threat to winning the title. Not named Boston next year, 364 00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:22,720 maybe not named Denver, not name Minnesota like we. You make this 365 00:22:22,799 --> 00:22:25,160 if you believe that you were one of the top five most likely teams to 366 00:22:25,160 --> 00:22:27,160 win a title after the fact of the trade, after the finished product, 367 00:22:27,759 --> 00:22:30,759 going through it, off rip, I still kind of like the Nuggets a 368 00:22:30,759 --> 00:22:33,480 little bit better. I definitely you have to like Boston. If anyone's saying 369 00:22:33,519 --> 00:22:37,599 that they're just better than Boston, off rip from here, please, I'm 370 00:22:37,599 --> 00:22:40,079 not even gonna listen to you. They just won the title. They had 371 00:22:40,079 --> 00:22:42,680 the best one of the four best combined point differentials per one hundred persessions through 372 00:22:42,680 --> 00:22:45,279 a regular season. In playoffs, I will entertain that the Knicks of the 373 00:22:45,279 --> 00:22:49,039 second best team in the Eastern Conference. I think full strength right now, 374 00:22:49,079 --> 00:22:52,799 that's probably where I land. You could see, let's see what Philly does 375 00:22:52,839 --> 00:22:56,519 with their offseason. Cleveland could if everything comes together under Kenny Atkinson, give 376 00:22:56,559 --> 00:23:00,640 them a run for their money. But I think it's the Knicks, like 377 00:23:00,680 --> 00:23:02,880 I do think that they are. They've kind of you know, it could 378 00:23:02,920 --> 00:23:04,160 be the Bucks, like there's a lot of could be, but the Knicks 379 00:23:04,920 --> 00:23:07,559 as they are right now. If they bring back Og and lose Hertenstein, 380 00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:11,279 it does feel like they are more complete in a way, with fewer question 381 00:23:11,319 --> 00:23:15,519 marks than those other teams don't have. They're still health issues with Og. 382 00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:18,279 That also helps with the you know mckel bridges, iron Man, McHale bridges 383 00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:23,079 kind of it inoculates you a little bit against another Julius Randall or ognnob injury. 384 00:23:23,119 --> 00:23:26,920 So that's that's huge for you as well. The fit is fantastic. 385 00:23:26,920 --> 00:23:30,880 The price was just an overpay. You're okay with it if it really gives 386 00:23:30,880 --> 00:23:33,359 you. If they make it to the conference finals, if they make the 387 00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:37,000 NBA finals, we can't measure everything in championship or bust. Then it's okay 388 00:23:37,039 --> 00:23:41,240 and they're gonna figure out how to stand beneath the first apron. And I 389 00:23:41,240 --> 00:23:44,720 think what's also an interesting element of this trade is just one of the long 390 00:23:44,799 --> 00:23:48,920 term salary implications here because Michel Bridges is relatively cheap for the next two years, 391 00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:52,680 and now you have Jalen Brunston and Julius Randall. They have player options 392 00:23:52,680 --> 00:23:56,119 for twenty five to twenty six. If you're gonna get Jalen Brunston again on 393 00:23:56,119 --> 00:23:59,839 that extension, it kind of sets an example for Okay, what was mchal 394 00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:02,200 just gonna maybe take a lot? Like is he just gonna take that three 395 00:24:02,279 --> 00:24:04,400 year, one hundred and thirteen million dollar extension in six months? That would 396 00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:07,640 be that would be huge for the Knicks. What is it? What does 397 00:24:07,640 --> 00:24:10,079 it mean for Julius Randa? What is his value? So if you're just 398 00:24:10,079 --> 00:24:12,880 dealing with a bunch of guys who no one's on a true max but yet 399 00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:17,960 you have someone who just finished fifth in MVP voting in Jalen Brunson, and 400 00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:22,720 you have two other arguably all star level player Julius Randld's made two All NBA 401 00:24:22,799 --> 00:24:26,079 teams. So you have but let's just say two all star level players around 402 00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:30,599 Jolen Brunson plus a good amount of depth and versatility. Again, things are 403 00:24:30,599 --> 00:24:33,119 gonna be shaky up front in the center position, depending on what happens with 404 00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:36,680 Hartenstein. Even if you trade Mitchell Robinson and Keith Hartenstein, things will get 405 00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:40,799 a little weird. You're in a good spot, but you've now you've made 406 00:24:41,039 --> 00:24:44,000 your last best move. This is what we wanted the Knicks to do. 407 00:24:44,039 --> 00:24:45,319 We wondered if they were going to do we called for them to do. 408 00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:49,119 You make this move, though, when it's not especially when it's not a 409 00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:53,160 top ten to fifteen even twenty guy, because mcal Bridges maybe in any given 410 00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:56,480 season, but like that's not what he was this past year. I thought 411 00:24:56,480 --> 00:24:59,119 it was better than people gave him credit for. He's like a fringe All 412 00:24:59,119 --> 00:25:02,200 Star. So to give up this price for a fringe All Star, I 413 00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:04,640 think it telegraphs that the Knicks believe that they're now finished product. I think 414 00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:07,920 it telegress at oh Jannonobi will be back. I also think it just telegrass 415 00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:12,359 that we're gonna have reverse sticker shock for what some of these guys end up 416 00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:17,079 getting paid long term, because you want to make this tenable, like the 417 00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:18,319 Knicks might be want to pay. They're not going to be a tax team 418 00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:22,599 this year, so you're looking at maybe a spot where really it'll become a 419 00:25:22,599 --> 00:25:26,799 big issue in two years if everyone's trying to get like paid paid, but 420 00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:30,160 it just kind of hints to me like, because you paid this price for 421 00:25:30,279 --> 00:25:34,000 a player of mckl bridges caliber, either your internal view is again it'd be 422 00:25:34,119 --> 00:25:37,720 higher. I'm pretty high on the Knicks, but their internal view if this 423 00:25:37,759 --> 00:25:38,720 is just flat out we don't care what he cost a keeper. I don't 424 00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:41,200 care what chan Bruns it cost to keep. We don't care what Randall costs 425 00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:45,440 to keep. Their internal view then is a lot higher of themselves than I 426 00:25:45,559 --> 00:25:49,559 have of them right now. I'm open to this not being a bad trade, 427 00:25:49,559 --> 00:25:52,440 and I like teams being aggressive. I don't And again I don't think 428 00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:56,440 it was a bad trade. But I think we can say two things here, 429 00:25:56,559 --> 00:25:59,839 and to wrap up on the Knicks, that they overpaid for mcal bridges 430 00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:03,240 and there's a chance that that's just okay relative to how good that they already 431 00:26:03,279 --> 00:26:06,559 were. So I'm very interesting what this looks like on the court. But 432 00:26:06,599 --> 00:26:10,119 I will say I don't think. I don't think that they're done. It 433 00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:14,759 just really wouldn't like does if o Gianobe leaves this is that is gonna be 434 00:26:14,759 --> 00:26:18,880 an emotional podcast for me. You're not gonna lie but I don't. This 435 00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:21,759 was a lot to pay. It's a lot of picks I don't like to 436 00:26:21,759 --> 00:26:26,079 price and ultimately cost. That's what it costs to get the Nets to although 437 00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:29,720 you would think with it might have been a little bit less because the Nets 438 00:26:29,920 --> 00:26:32,559 had, like, independent of this deal, they could have gotten some of 439 00:26:32,559 --> 00:26:34,960 their own picks back. So like, had you known about that, which 440 00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:37,279 I'm sure there were rumblings that the Knicks knew about, you could have like 441 00:26:37,359 --> 00:26:41,440 kept the swap or some five first round picks and a swap plus a second 442 00:26:41,480 --> 00:26:44,640 in boyand by Danovic. And you didn't even say, like you couldn't even 443 00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:48,519 bring yourself to save money that just so that you kept yourself in a position 444 00:26:48,559 --> 00:26:51,240 to wear all right, it might have been a little bit easier to rework 445 00:26:51,279 --> 00:26:53,119 around this, I don't, But then you know you're giving up players who 446 00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:56,519 matter. There's not just someone you look at and guarantee telling the Nicks ross 447 00:26:56,599 --> 00:27:00,200 like you don't just throw induce McBride to save money. Although I'm talking out 448 00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:03,240 in the context of do you include Mitchell Robinson to keep Hartenstein and a separate 449 00:27:03,279 --> 00:27:06,640 deal. That's a conversation to have, and I think it's one that the 450 00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:08,839 Knicks are gonna have, but they're gonna be interesting for the rest of the 451 00:27:08,839 --> 00:27:11,079 off season, just from the perspective of, all, right, do they 452 00:27:11,079 --> 00:27:14,319 try and what are they gonna do with these first round picks? I propose 453 00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:17,480 something that, do you try and turn those first round picks into a twenty 454 00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:21,119 twenty five first round pick or more distant first round pick just to have that 455 00:27:21,559 --> 00:27:23,960 additional trade asset cachet, Or is it more important now that you hit on 456 00:27:25,039 --> 00:27:27,400 those picks, or consolidate them into a maybe a slightly higher end first round 457 00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:32,079 pick this year just to have a potential cost control contributor long term. You 458 00:27:32,079 --> 00:27:34,960 can make both cases, but they're not done in the sense of I'll say 459 00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:40,319 it this way, Ojananobi, at least one of o Jannobi, Isaiah Hartenstein, 460 00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:44,400 or Mitchell Robinson is gonna be gone, and I don't know which one's 461 00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:47,160 gonna be. I would bet that Ojannobe's the least likely, just because I 462 00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:49,240 think that would be a terrible look to have not just lost him after making 463 00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:52,920 that trade, but to them given up this must for someone who doesn't make 464 00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:57,480 you nearly as viable of a contender as if you already had Ojannenoby. Before 465 00:27:57,480 --> 00:28:00,799 we kind of talk about, I'll the nets factor in with the mchel bridges 466 00:28:00,839 --> 00:28:04,960 return, let's also talk about how like we'll sandwich it together with what they're 467 00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:08,160 doing with Houston, and so wo was reported it. I mean, like 468 00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:11,960 the details on it were like super confusing, and I'll probably misspeak about it 469 00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:15,920 as we get into it, but that's fine. Brooklyn has a deal with 470 00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:18,640 Houston to return the nets Is twenty twenty six first round pick for a Phoenix 471 00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:23,039 twenty twenty seven first round pick. The Rockets also acquire twenty twenty five right 472 00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:29,359 to swap Houston Houston or Okacs first for the suns Is twenty twenty five first 473 00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:33,000 round pick. WOJ followed that up with more. In the deal, Houston 474 00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:36,799 acquires a twenty twenty nine more favorable of Dallas or Phoenix first round pick, 475 00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:41,319 and acquires the right to swap Houston's first round pick for less favorable of Dallas 476 00:28:41,359 --> 00:28:47,160 first and Phoenix first. Per sources. That's confusing as hell, but so 477 00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:49,599 this is what you you kind of look at it this way. I mean, 478 00:28:49,759 --> 00:28:52,039 that's more for the Rockets, so we'll save it there. So let's 479 00:28:52,319 --> 00:28:56,319 let's get into all of this in macro what it sort of means for the 480 00:28:56,359 --> 00:28:59,759 Nets. Good piece of business from them, great piece of business, and 481 00:29:00,119 --> 00:29:03,079 so they maintained all on they wouldn't move bridges. That of course drove up 482 00:29:03,079 --> 00:29:06,200 the cost for him. I think it really helps that there was a market 483 00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:08,079 like the like of a team like the Knicks that had a lot of his 484 00:29:08,079 --> 00:29:11,799 friends on the roster that was like close but not close enough to where they 485 00:29:11,839 --> 00:29:17,160 could just envision internal development or just another year of letting things marinate really getting 486 00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:19,759 them over the hump. That's a perfect storm of circumstances for the Nets, 487 00:29:19,759 --> 00:29:23,000 like there is Yeah, I could another team have beat this offer if Utah 488 00:29:23,079 --> 00:29:26,880 wanted, if ok See wanted, maybe New Orleans, but like they have 489 00:29:27,039 --> 00:29:32,519 enough kind of wings there. Yeah sure, but like you were probably able 490 00:29:32,559 --> 00:29:37,240 to just play the Knicks up against the fact of this is the only like 491 00:29:37,319 --> 00:29:40,319 you want to make this move now, and you know that your roster loves 492 00:29:40,359 --> 00:29:41,960 him already, and there's just what else is out there, Like a lot 493 00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:45,400 of the players we anticipate becoming available, like a Donovan Mitchell, who I 494 00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:48,839 don't think it's gonna become available. Maybe a Darius Garland, like those guys 495 00:29:48,839 --> 00:29:52,160 don't fit. Trey Young not a fit. De Chonta Murray not really a 496 00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:55,880 fit, even though he's bigger than those dudes. LaMelo Ball might have been 497 00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:57,880 a fit, but we don't know that he's available. So there wasn't another 498 00:29:57,920 --> 00:30:00,319 wing that was just gonna come on the mar market aside from Paul George. 499 00:30:00,319 --> 00:30:03,039 And to get him, not only would you've been paying him into his mid 500 00:30:03,039 --> 00:30:07,960 to late thirties, but you would have locked yourself into the same beneath the 501 00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:10,480 first Apron thing, had you, unless you would saved money as part of 502 00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:11,519 that deal, which, by the way, you can't because the Clippers are 503 00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:15,400 second Apron team if they're taking back a ton of money for Paul George and 504 00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:19,839 keeping James Harden, So you would have locked yourself into a more financially stringent 505 00:30:19,839 --> 00:30:23,079 situation where there would have had a bit of boltload, more of collateral damage, 506 00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:26,839 or you could have just outright lost. You know, how do you 507 00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:30,839 keep both og and a Hartenstein under that scenario with Paul George? So the 508 00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:33,319 market really worked in the nets his favor. That and not that these dudes 509 00:30:33,359 --> 00:30:37,799 are always available. But even if you thought lowry marketing was available, that's 510 00:30:37,839 --> 00:30:41,119 not really what the Knicks needed. I think I trust mckill Bridges to generate 511 00:30:41,319 --> 00:30:44,839 his own looks. I trust thaty market as a play finisher more just because 512 00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:48,359 there's that multi level from it, Whereas I would trust him more is maybe 513 00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:52,200 a catch and shoot guy than I do Bridges, where they're both like they're 514 00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:53,960 going to move well off the ball and he can get to the basket away 515 00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:57,079 from the ball in maybe like one or two more ways I would argue than 516 00:30:57,119 --> 00:31:02,039 Bridges. So but Bridges is the better fit for New York because of what 517 00:31:02,039 --> 00:31:03,640 he can do on the ball. And that's just that's just a fact at 518 00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:07,559 this point. So the next like, I really do think that that helped 519 00:31:07,559 --> 00:31:11,119 them a ton in this situation. You get those five first round picks, 520 00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:15,920 you get another swap, and then you turn around and you trade. You 521 00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:19,839 trade Phoenix Is twenty twenty seven first to Houston to get back control of your 522 00:31:19,839 --> 00:31:23,240 next two draft picks, which allows you to rebuild. You don't have to. 523 00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:27,160 You know, you lost a number three pick this year that sucks, 524 00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:30,400 and so like, and you lost mcal Bridges, But like, you go 525 00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:33,240 back and look at the call that they got for Kevin Durant in terms of 526 00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:37,079 picks. It's absolutely massive, and now you can rebuild. This is they're 527 00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:41,200 unencumbered in a way they weren't during Sean Marx's first rebuild, where they just 528 00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:44,680 didn't they weren't ever going to get controlled of any of their draft backs. 529 00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:47,839 They were taking Tischols on flyers. You now have a two year window to 530 00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:49,759 where you can tank your heart out, get two top draft picks, and 531 00:31:49,759 --> 00:31:56,000 hopefully you're then at a point where when your final obligation to excuse me, 532 00:31:56,079 --> 00:32:00,240 Houston is going to convey, which is I think twenty twenty seven will as 533 00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:06,240 a swap that okay, Like maybe you're still sending a like a late lottery 534 00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:08,079 pick. That's a lot different than sending what could have been a higher end 535 00:32:08,279 --> 00:32:12,759 lottery pick. So I'm very intering to see what they do with Cam Johnson. 536 00:32:12,799 --> 00:32:15,279 Now, what does this mean for Nicholas Claxton's free agency. You still 537 00:32:15,279 --> 00:32:17,079 don't want to see him leave for nothing if you're Brooklyn, like, that's 538 00:32:17,119 --> 00:32:22,359 just that's not the best you know, management of assets either. But they 539 00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:25,839 made the most of an awkward situation, I would say, just because of 540 00:32:25,839 --> 00:32:29,960 like the fall from the James Harden trade. But you were like in one 541 00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:32,319 felt swoop. You got a lot of people would wonder yo, like in 542 00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:37,079 Houston probably might have preferred we'll get into them in a second. Maybe you 543 00:32:37,079 --> 00:32:40,359 could have gotten back the number three pick this exact package and then sim mckelbridge, 544 00:32:40,359 --> 00:32:44,519 just to Houston. You not just have more bites at the draft apple 545 00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:49,359 here like you got five. You got you got control of five, just 546 00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:52,079 flat out additional firsts from the Knicks plus that swap. But that's it's control 547 00:32:52,119 --> 00:32:54,519 of it. But you would still have to send something out in that and 548 00:32:54,559 --> 00:33:00,960 then you finish like technically with Houston positive one because like you now have control 549 00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:04,920 of your own draft pick two of them when like you didn't have those before. 550 00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:07,599 So you're getting two controls of your own pick for the cost of one 551 00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:09,400 pick. I'm gonna frame this as, even though it's not to a t, 552 00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:15,799 your net like your net six first round picks here, like that's that's 553 00:33:15,839 --> 00:33:20,319 what your net is by just trading mcal Bridges and Phoenix is twenty twenty seven 554 00:33:20,359 --> 00:33:24,319 first. That's fucking crazy. That is a capslock hall. Now they'll be 555 00:33:24,359 --> 00:33:29,400 able to go through a rebuild knowing that they have their pick. So I'm 556 00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:31,599 fascinated to see what they end up doing this season. They might be it 557 00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:35,640 might be a tough watch, but they have more avenues available to them now, 558 00:33:35,759 --> 00:33:39,359 keeping mckel bridges or like and the same team running it back that was 559 00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:43,559 locking you into sub mediocrity. Now you get to a point where you can 560 00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:46,039 envision down the line. No not right away, but down the line you 561 00:33:46,079 --> 00:33:50,200 were gonna have a chance at something to aspire to something more. And you've 562 00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:52,920 also now removed this possibility from the clip, which was, well, do 563 00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:55,680 they just kind of go on in and try and get a Garland or a 564 00:33:55,720 --> 00:33:59,880 Mitchell or a Trey Young and then they're still Okay, they're better, but 565 00:34:00,039 --> 00:34:01,839 can you guarantee there more than the fifth or sixth best team in the East. 566 00:34:02,279 --> 00:34:06,240 No, So you've prevented yourself from going into that scenario. And it 567 00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:08,559 does seem like Team governor Joe Sigh when he had mentioned that he wanted to 568 00:34:08,559 --> 00:34:14,239 follow a more gradual path, maybe that was a like a failure at a 569 00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:16,039 level of posturing that Sean Marsh did not sound like someone who wanted to go 570 00:34:16,079 --> 00:34:22,199 through a rebuild. This was there's nothing to dislike about this from Brooklyn. 571 00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:23,519 You could you know, you could go back to the whole turning control of 572 00:34:23,559 --> 00:34:28,000 the orgination of those superstars. They got a haul for Kevin Durant when they 573 00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:30,320 were just negotiating with one team, there was a more of clearly, more 574 00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:35,039 of a market, more opportunities to move mckel Bridges. But you turned what 575 00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:37,840 is I don't even know when mckel bridges ranks among NBA players, but I 576 00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:42,840 don't He definitely wasn't in the top twenty five this year. So you got 577 00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:46,719 five first round picks, plus a swap unprotected swap, and a second something 578 00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:50,400 about that, and then Boyon's expiring contract if you're you know, if you're 579 00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:55,559 into that sort of thing, but like you got that for someone who's not 580 00:34:55,559 --> 00:35:00,360 a top twenty five player. That's a great piece of business from the And 581 00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:02,519 so I don't really know what else they were say is that the nets is 582 00:35:02,519 --> 00:35:06,159 that the telegraphs that they're gonna go into a rebuild, which was the right 583 00:35:06,199 --> 00:35:08,199 move, And everyone was just saying, get your own picks back and stomach 584 00:35:08,239 --> 00:35:12,559 it. And they did the best of both. Again, you gave up 585 00:35:12,639 --> 00:35:15,559 number three, that pick was already gone. People don't really love this draft. 586 00:35:15,599 --> 00:35:16,800 And if you know, if people are talking about thinking Donovan clinging it 587 00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:20,079 three. I read Shepherd might be five. I love read Shepherd, but 588 00:35:20,159 --> 00:35:23,440 he might be fun. I'm just if this is the draft that you're not 589 00:35:23,599 --> 00:35:27,159 married to, then you're kind of not that you're okay giving up the number 590 00:35:27,159 --> 00:35:30,079 three pick, but it's like all right, like cool, And look, 591 00:35:30,199 --> 00:35:31,880 they probably could have gotten number twenty four to twenty five for the Knicks as 592 00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:35,079 part of this deal. So that's just going to make you think that, 593 00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:37,440 depending on how they instructured it, of course, that they weren't really in 594 00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:39,800 love with the draft, but man, it's were scouting it anyway because they 595 00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:44,960 do. They weren't gonna fucking have a first round pick. So I can't 596 00:35:45,159 --> 00:35:49,199 like this is you have to like it more. We do romanticize teardowns more. 597 00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:51,440 And I just said I don't dislike it for the Nicks what it does 598 00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:53,840 for their product. I really disliked the cost that they ended up paying, 599 00:35:54,639 --> 00:35:58,960 especially when you know that part of that cost could be getting rid of one 600 00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:01,880 of Mitch hart Stein or og. But for the Nets, there's there's literally 601 00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:05,840 nothing to dislike here. You can't criticize this. You don't get this value 602 00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:09,000 for non stars. That just doesn't happen the Knicks. They honestly treated him 603 00:36:09,079 --> 00:36:15,639 like mchal Bridges is generational in some regard, like what Minnesota did with Rudy 604 00:36:15,679 --> 00:36:20,039 Gobert, how Cleveland treated Donovan Mitchell like this is similar. I mean the 605 00:36:20,079 --> 00:36:23,840 way Larry Market didn't panned out in has penned out in Utah. This is 606 00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:28,840 different than Knicks weren't sending out that type of player. And that's also by 607 00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:31,280 the way, which I didn't mention that's going to always increase how many picks 608 00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:34,920 you need to give up, is that teams, for the most part will 609 00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:37,880 prioritize players. We saw that a little bit with the Toronto deal. We 610 00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:40,440 saw it from Chicago where the Knicks they try to get Caruso. There's reporting 611 00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:44,519 came out though that they had the better offer, but they opted Forget me. 612 00:36:44,599 --> 00:36:46,840 Sometimes teams are just going to prioritize players. The fact that you didn't 613 00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:51,440 send an immediate first out in this and then you're not giving them any player 614 00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:54,000 that's going to be part of their their longer haul that is going to increase 615 00:36:54,039 --> 00:36:57,599 the amount that you have to pay in picks. Most of the time. 616 00:36:57,800 --> 00:37:00,760 The Caruso framing there does make this interesting from the next perspective of I don't 617 00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:04,559 that's not a reaction. I guess maybe you were still hoping. Did you 618 00:37:04,599 --> 00:37:07,800 think that your two first round picks this year were sort of then you would 619 00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:09,159 have gotten into weirdness, you would have been able to trade that twenty twenty 620 00:37:09,159 --> 00:37:13,360 five. Just now, I'm curious as to what that offer was. Was 621 00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:15,559 this like you can have multiple irons in the fire, but if you thought 622 00:37:15,639 --> 00:37:19,559 you might have gotten Caruso, was this like a response, do okay, 623 00:37:19,559 --> 00:37:22,119 Like we're just gonna go over the top for Mchael Bridges and you lost out 624 00:37:22,159 --> 00:37:24,000 on him, so you're gonna I don't know. I still think there's a 625 00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:27,679 lot more to come from them this offseason. Hey, the Rockets end of 626 00:37:27,719 --> 00:37:31,800 this, so they now essentially have per woj a pick swop with the Suns 627 00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:35,760 in twenty twenty five, the Sons is pick in twenty twenty seven, and 628 00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:38,920 could end up with the Sons his pick in twenty twenty nine based on constitingencies. 629 00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:44,039 Woes reported that they want to trade for Kevin Durant. He also reported 630 00:37:44,079 --> 00:37:46,239 that they're in prime position to go after Devin Booker if the Suns make him 631 00:37:46,239 --> 00:37:50,199 available. He also reported that they're also prepared to use these picks to make 632 00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:53,440 I mean upgrades. Now that wouldn't include the two of them. That is, 633 00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:57,320 Wojes doesn't s I mean, he was all over the spectrum here, 634 00:37:57,840 --> 00:38:00,719 and they just like, man, we gotta do a bit better job of 635 00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:02,480 like communicating the details. I know you're trying to be first that you could 636 00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:06,239 get reposts on Twitter. I don't really know what that does for your traffic, 637 00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:10,320 but let's be better about communicating like the actual picks here. They basically 638 00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:13,880 now have the picks to make Phoenix holes should they decide to tear it down. 639 00:38:14,039 --> 00:38:15,360 There are a few things to take away from this. I'm fine with 640 00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:19,880 what the Rockets did here. You could argue, though, like giving up 641 00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:24,519 what could be like the rights to like the next two basically next picks after 642 00:38:24,559 --> 00:38:27,440 this year. You already got a number three pick out of it. So 643 00:38:27,519 --> 00:38:30,159 are they you know, do the nets wind up having did they get Cooper 644 00:38:30,159 --> 00:38:32,000 flag next year? You could have had that. I mean maybe, but 645 00:38:32,119 --> 00:38:35,880 you're at a point where you are trying to get better immediately now. I 646 00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:37,360 think the bigger thing here is I don't think you make this move and just 647 00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:42,119 based off what's reporting something's going on in Phoenix. I don't know if it's 648 00:38:42,159 --> 00:38:45,119 Kevin Rant. We know maybe he wants to play for remey Udoka. That's 649 00:38:45,119 --> 00:38:47,079 something that's been floating around a bunch of times before. Maybe they think that 650 00:38:47,119 --> 00:38:51,320 Devin Booker's gonna gonna become available. I actually think that he's a much better 651 00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:54,800 fit for the roster, their timeline and also for what they need. Something 652 00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:59,480 is going down. I don't know if it's gonna be this offseason, but 653 00:38:59,559 --> 00:39:01,400 you don't make this move. I mean, they have the flexibility to kind 654 00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:04,840 of sit and lay in wait, especially because they have a bunch of cap 655 00:39:04,840 --> 00:39:09,119 space in twenty twenty five. But if nothing gets done, I think like 656 00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:13,880 you're are you sitting on extensions for Alpern Shane, Like, if we see 657 00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:16,440 those dudes not get extensions, you're gonna like even one of them, something's 658 00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:22,320 gonna be like a little fishy there. So this is a I don't know 659 00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:25,199 if you would call it like a stroke of genius by Phoenix. I would 660 00:39:25,239 --> 00:39:28,880 go as far as to say though that it is. It's a bold play 661 00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:30,960 and there is I guess some risk involved. Again, what are those specifically? 662 00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:36,119 What are those these next two years? Of nets picks turn into But 663 00:39:37,159 --> 00:39:40,000 I think overall I like it because you don't make this move without the intel 664 00:39:40,039 --> 00:39:44,639 that you're gonna need these picks to make them whole again. And so maybe 665 00:39:44,679 --> 00:39:47,440 matt Ishbia and Phoenix is brash enough to kind of deny reality. I don't 666 00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:51,880 know what's gonna happen the rest of this offseasons. This is something that they 667 00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:57,880 revisit at the trade deadline. Houston would have way more flexibility next year to 668 00:39:57,920 --> 00:40:00,599 do stuff. I mean, the Phoenix is gonna want play if they're moving 669 00:40:00,639 --> 00:40:04,079 Kevin rand or Devin Booker, that's without question. But they're gonna have boatloads 670 00:40:04,079 --> 00:40:07,199 of cap space next summer. That's that's what they project at right now. 671 00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:09,480 So like they could help out Phoenix in in a ton of ways where it's 672 00:40:09,519 --> 00:40:14,320 all just picks and maybe like a cheaper player or two. And so they're 673 00:40:14,360 --> 00:40:16,719 helping them get out of salary, cap jail, hell, purgatory or whatever 674 00:40:16,719 --> 00:40:22,039 you want to want to call it. So they've got look, they've got 675 00:40:22,079 --> 00:40:25,800 like three sons picks loaded up at this point. And if your Phoenix and 676 00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:29,239 one of these two players asked for out, I mean, Bradley Beals, 677 00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:31,400 whatever, he's got the no trade clause. Houston is gonna be a natural 678 00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:35,400 trade partner just because they have your picks. But they have they said they 679 00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:37,840 could still trade you. They have have some they have some Excuse me, 680 00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:40,400 they have their own picks that they're gonna be able to give out moving forward. 681 00:40:40,920 --> 00:40:45,000 They have just a lot of interesting young players in Alprin, Shangun In, 682 00:40:45,119 --> 00:40:51,119 Jahn Green In Tari Easan, in Aman Thompson, in Jabari Smith Junior, 683 00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:54,559 like the list kind of Cam Whitmore was gonna leave someone off right away, 684 00:40:54,719 --> 00:40:58,280 and you also have the ability of if you're moving in his actual salary, 685 00:40:58,320 --> 00:41:00,199 like none of the deals on their books are bad, like Fred Vanfleietz 686 00:41:00,199 --> 00:41:04,719 technically an expiring contract right now, or he could be this massive expiring contract 687 00:41:04,719 --> 00:41:07,360 next year if he's picked up with a team option, So it wouldn't be 688 00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:13,039 like therein I don't it's tough to say, like I really like this for 689 00:41:13,119 --> 00:41:15,639 Houston without knowing what the next move is. But I look at this move 690 00:41:15,199 --> 00:41:20,199 and I'm just looking at the way Wold reported it. Right now, this 691 00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:23,000 is this is what happens with real time analysis. Ah man, Like I'm 692 00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:25,440 gonna be I'm gonna put it this way. Let's set the over under. 693 00:41:25,519 --> 00:41:28,599 Let me know in the comments. If you're listening to this, go to 694 00:41:28,639 --> 00:41:30,239 YouTube, let me know in the comments, or let us know in our 695 00:41:30,239 --> 00:41:34,679 discord link. That's the podcast you description. I'm going to say that by 696 00:41:34,719 --> 00:41:38,800 the by the start of twenty five twenty six, that the percentage of chance 697 00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:43,760 that Kevin Durant or Devin Bookers in Houston. I'm gonna put it at fifty 698 00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:46,400 one. That's what this deal telegraphs me. It's like I'm going it's like 699 00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:50,719 only the slightest bit more confident than a coin toss. But I just don't 700 00:41:50,760 --> 00:41:52,440 I don't know how else to read it. If you've all read it differently 701 00:41:52,559 --> 00:41:55,559 from me, please let me know. And so I'm just gonna end up. 702 00:41:57,039 --> 00:41:59,559 I think I can't say I like that for Houston, because what else 703 00:41:59,559 --> 00:42:01,519 are you giving to get Kevin Durants going into his age thirty six season. 704 00:42:01,679 --> 00:42:05,639 If it's Devin Booker, you probably can't tell me a deal that I'm gonna 705 00:42:05,639 --> 00:42:09,239 hate there. So yeah, I would probably dream it that way. If 706 00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:13,480 the Kevin Durant price point drops low enough just because of his age and like 707 00:42:13,519 --> 00:42:16,320 he's coming around like his contract doesn't have a ton of time left on it, 708 00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:21,599 then I could see a scenario where I'm okay with them making the deal, 709 00:42:21,599 --> 00:42:22,800 But if they're training for Devin book right now and people to fucking fall 710 00:42:22,840 --> 00:42:25,880 in love with that deal. Five alarm fire in Phoenix is also how I 711 00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:29,239 read this, Like those are It's interesting that, I mean, this has 712 00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:31,159 to be the one that's the quickest analysis, but those are just like that's 713 00:42:31,199 --> 00:42:35,360 the thought to have here is that you don't have to predict like I did, 714 00:42:35,360 --> 00:42:38,320 that Booker or Durant will be in Houston and put fifty one percent shot 715 00:42:38,360 --> 00:42:42,199 on that. I'm gonna be curious there's actual betting odds for their next teams 716 00:42:42,239 --> 00:42:45,960 what Houston's laying right now. But like, that's how the Rockets are reading 717 00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:49,320 this to me, because who is the other player that you think, why 718 00:42:49,360 --> 00:42:52,039 did you need the Suns picks to do this that you couldn't do this with 719 00:42:52,079 --> 00:42:55,840 your own pick and asset situation like this was specifically about Phoenix's players. So 720 00:42:57,639 --> 00:43:00,639 interesting piece of business from the Rockets, and we'll see if we end up 721 00:43:00,639 --> 00:43:04,280 liking it. It just depends on which of the Sun's players they're acquiring and 722 00:43:04,320 --> 00:43:06,519 for how much, And it's down to you know it's too it's gonna be 723 00:43:06,559 --> 00:43:07,519 Devin Booker, Kevin Rant. I'm just saying it here. And if you're 724 00:43:07,880 --> 00:43:12,119 in Phoenix, my guess would be that it's Kevin Durant, just because he's 725 00:43:12,159 --> 00:43:15,000 the one that changes his mind every five seconds. I don't I really don't 726 00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:17,360 know what he's looking for there. I hope he finds happiness at one point, 727 00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:21,000 because two titles didn't seem to do it for him. Brooklyn didn't seem 728 00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:22,039 to do it for him, Phoenix doesn't seem to be doing it for him 729 00:43:22,039 --> 00:43:24,880 in the vibes or just awful wherever he goes. So if you had to 730 00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:28,239 make me pick one, it just seems why would you trade Devin Booker. 731 00:43:28,239 --> 00:43:30,880 You could reorient, recalibrate, rebuild around him still if your Phoenix would want 732 00:43:30,920 --> 00:43:37,400 to. But yeah, so Kevin Rant to Houston, And when does it 733 00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:39,280 happen? Like that would be the tougher read. Is it gonna happen this 734 00:43:39,320 --> 00:43:43,519 offseason, before the trade deadline or just before next season? That's why I'm 735 00:43:43,519 --> 00:43:45,760 setting by the twenty started the twenty five to twenty six season. I think 736 00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:49,239 there's a fifty one percent chance. Kevin Rant or Devin Booker is in a 737 00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:52,559 Houston Rockets uniform grant and I will probably have more on this trade. We're 738 00:43:52,519 --> 00:43:54,239 planning on going live after the NBA Draft on Wednesday nights. We'll come check 739 00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:57,960 us out there. I haven't scheduled the live stream yet. I'll probably do 740 00:43:58,000 --> 00:44:00,800 that at some point Wednesday. Thank you all for yours always. I hope 741 00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:02,719 you're okay with the Solo podcast and we just kind of, you know, 742 00:44:04,039 --> 00:44:07,320 late night, super tired, under caffeinated relative to home usually caffeinated. 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