Tape Deck Media. Welcome to see you at the potty Richta. I'm Aaron
Frescus with me as always our Joseph Beck, Castro and Chris Chapman, and
we're once again joined by artist Rudy and Liz, who are here to help
us finish off the summary for Arnold Schwarzenegger's in nineteen eighty seven sci fi classic
Predator. All right, let's jump right back into it. So take it
away, Chris, Uh, let's see. Okay. So they're all looking
around at the jungle for Hawkins body. Blaine hears something in the jungle that
turns out to just just be a skunk, at least I think it's a
skunk. It's like a porky pineers or like a yeah anyway, yeah,
some jungle. But then he gets hit by something in the arm and as
he turns around, we see some kind of laser like blow a hole right
through his chest. The rest of the team here is and Mac is the
first one on the scene and just in time to see a somewhat invisible figure
stand up. The predator gives Mac a little uh fuck you wink with his
glowing eyes, and Mac unloads his rifle into the jungle where we see the
predator gets clipped and leaves a little bit of a glowing gra he bleeds mountain
dew man. Yeah, so Edward wind a couple of times with when Jesse
Ventura got shot because I couldn't tell what exactly what happened because it happened so
fast. Yeah, but then like it looks like he it just kind of
looks like he got shot by like the Delaphosaur's goop at first, because it
splattered on him. Yeah, his blood splatters crazy. It doesn't make any
sense. Yeah. So, by the way, Eric and I watched Draassic
Were the new Jurassic World. It's not that bad. Like I guess the
best way to go into that is just expecting horrible. Like it's not that
bad because it wasn't. It's like holiday they advertised movies and noun instead of
like ciskel and either get it two thumbs up. It's like like A sixty
six six says it's not that bad. It's not like a bunch of a's
it's not that bad. But because like I don't know what we were watching,
I was like, this movie isn't nearly as bad as I thought.
It was gonna be like everybody I've heard talk about it makes it seem like
it's fucking horrible. I mean it wasn't horrible. No, like horrible.
Look if you have you guys watched the new Jurassic Park. I think I
saw Dressic one and two, and then I watched dress Park three in theaters
and was the most angry I've ever been watching a movie. And I don't
even give I don't even give a shit about Yeah, why wasn't the raptor
talking the entire time? No, like William H. Macy is in it.
You might have been there, but like the yeah, Teleoni wasn't what
was annoying you? Wasn't it the mom Maybe I don't know, but like
Imber, I don't have the special place in my heart for Jurassic Park that
many other people do. I feel like there's a story behind this. No,
I just it just I was more into like Arnold movies and stuff like.
I don't know. Dress Park just really did it for me. I
mean I liked it, but it wasn't like make your Jungle Come Alive.
Yeah, make the Jungle, But just watching that in theaters, it was
just so trophy and everybody is so fucking annoying, and I was just like,
this movie sucks so good, Like it was just I don't know.
So I haven't watched a single one since the Jurassic World. Fine, I
guess it's it was. I liked it the first time I watched it,
and then after that it's it's fine. Jurassic the second Jurassic World is not
good. Nope, to where I was like, oh, this movie's make
me mad, and then I was realized I was rooting for I was trying
to. Like, I was like, hope that little clone girld dies in
the third one spoil, but like I don't care. I was like,
you're not gonna watch it. But it was like just after like I was
pretty much rooting for, rooting against one of the protagonists the whole time we're
in the third one, but everyone else I was, I was like,
yees, this movie's fine. It was fine, whatever, it's fine,
just going with no expect or low expectations and then it's good. Anyway,
Okay, back to the movie. That is good advice for movies that are
god awful. So now so now Mac picks up Blade's minigun and tries to
chop down the entire jungle, and as the rest of the squad arrives,
they join him in emptying their magazines into absolutely nothing. And I fucking love
this scene. Dude, that was like more ammal than the January sixth,
Like insurrectionists. They destroy ale amazing home depot, garden center, Like,
yeah, oh my god, they are just what's the point of this that
these guys are the best, the best. They don't even know what they're
shooting at. They didn't even ask, They just walk up and start shooting
at whatever max shooting. But I do think that's the point of the scene
in the movie, is that these dudes have been shown to be like the
absolute best that can take on anything. They're freaking and they are. They
are now put into a situation where they are completely out of control, they're
letely out of their depth. Then they're getting fucked over. Also, it's
so back to you know, Arnold's like, I have this code, we
only do hostage stuff, like the Predator, who's supposed to be Yeah,
this uber Predator, horrific evil character is giving people more humane deaths than like
Arnold and his men, who are just He's giving them like quick painless deaths.
He just shoot them and it's done. It's like laser tried to brain.
Yeah, yep, that's true. Yeah, and Arnold with they're like
seven hundred machine guns and eighty thousand or setting people on fire. My favorite
part is how Adrian Brodie says after this, He's like, we hit nothing.
I'm like, weird with that genius playing a firing blindly the jungle didn't
work? Oh my god. Okay, but statistically, if you put that
many bullets out there that should hit something. Yeah, my note is just
all firing into the jungle. Fuck. I love this movie. They just
have to start like tapping vines and treasure chests and barrels to get more,
like more, am they murder so many beautiful like one hundred and fifty year
old trees. That's a good point. Poncho's wrong. You know how many
endangered species they just took? Oh yeah, so like ancient like meso American
pharmacopeia. Yeah, it's just all that. How many babies mom just happened
destroyed? There were there were casualties flora and fauna. Probably a couple of
caterpillars in there too. Arnold and Dylan go look at Blaine's body and conclude
that whatever the fuck killed him was not a normal gun. There's no powder
burns, all the wounds were cauterized. Uh, and there's like there's no
bleeding. Poncho reports that there's no trace that they shot even a single thing.
It's weird. The makeup job on Blaine's body that was fucked up.
Awesome, it was cool, but like it looks like something out of the
thing. Like the way his chest is opened up. It's, oh,
yeah, that's how That's how they were when they're hanging upside down though too
it Yeah, there's their chests were yeah, yeah, it was their chests
were I didn't see that ship at all. Yeah, when they were when
they're hanging upside down, like the guys that they first find, all their
chests were open. I was distracted by their lack of skin. We watched
we watched an Arnold interview about Predator, and he said that when Jesse Ventura's
wife saw the movie that she cried when she saw Jesse his chest blowed up.
I don't know if that's like kind of endearing or stupid as fluck,
but die if I saw would I would die I would be sad if I
saw I actually know, that'd be pretty bad. Like there's no babe,
there's his ribs. Especially, Yeah, I know, I'm like the jungle
takes Jesse the body ventor anymore if he's got it missing a large that's true.
This is why he switched over to Jesse. Then this franchise I was
thinking about this is like a feeding school for so embrity governors. It's like
the harbor of the governor. If you get a non speaking stroll, you
could expect to be like elected governor Idaho or something like. If you have
like a supporting actuable you can getting like a solid mid mid size to large
Southwest state and the main character is Guarantee Florida Carl So. Now, Arnold
tells the squad to set up a defensive position as Dylan tries to get them
an evac The gorilla finds the predator blood but doesn't tell anybody about it.
Never understood that maybe she thought there was like somebody broke a glos Glosta,
or maybe she wanted all that mountain dew first. She's like, I'm gonna
come back for this later, Like who's man fucking teo? Out here having
a fucking rave as usual blew up. So Mac covers their position in traps
and then goes to pay his respects to Blaine uh, and he leaves his
flask with Blaine's body. We then get to see the predator uncloaked for the
first time as he's out there somewhere in the jungle and applies some first aid
to himself. So one second, So I was reading an Empire Online article
that was all about like the behind the scenes stuff from this movie, and
it was talking about the homo erotic undertones between Bill Duke's character and Jess venture.
Yeah, I don't think that's under well, which I never gotten tell
Like, I didn't notice that until I read the article and I was like,
oh, yeah, all right, But then like it wasn't It wasn't
just like the website like stating a theory. It was actually one of the
producers that I think was talking about it too. But it was like,
oh yeah, so like he's like super upset about it, and yeah,
I went over my head. There's that scene where Arnold goes he was a
good soldier and then Max goes like he was, but he pauses before he
says my friend. He like he's trying to find the words hemate. My
friend, Yeah, roommate. I mean as a woman watching this, to
me, the homo eroticism and simply the like notice of the homooticism. But
the male gaze of this movie is insane. I mean, like I felt
point at one point they all started looking at Chippendale like they're clothing is just
rift when they're setting up the trap. I just got to set up this
trap each other there. Yeah, and there's like one woman in the movie.
This is not about like about or four women. One thing that I
find really fascinating about this movie, like in this movie, the Anna,
the hostage is not sexualized at all. It's like which is kind of amazing
for an eighties action movie like Shorts and movie exactly she's there's no sexualization of
her, which is kind of crazy. So, yeah, she's an interesting
character. She's sort of they give her a little like she's sassy, you
know, and not like sassy, she's you know, she's a gorilla and
she's trying to escape. And you know, I looked up this actress and
so she's a Mexican actress and she grew up like a crazy rural place in
Michua Khan. Her dad was murdered at three, she had like her brother
was gunned down when she was six. The family faced all these threats to
their lives. I mean, she had a hardcore life. She was working.
She dropped out of school instead of working at a Chinese restaurant until she
was discovered when she was twelve, and had like a modeling contract and all
that. So she was already living the gorilla life. She was just having
family members murdered in front of her and speaking of because I'm gonna forget to
mention it because I forgot to write it down. But did you look up
the anybody else's real life stuff? Like the the act specifically the actor that
played the predator no he I was reading earlier in that same article that Empire
Online articles mentioned that the late actors names Kevin Peter Hall I think, and
it said the late actress. I was like, Oh, I wonder I
died. That sucks when I died. So I looked at an IMDb said
that he died when he's thirty five. So it said that he died he
was in a our accident and he went to the hospital and this was during
the eighties or or early nineties, and he got contaminated blood, so he
died from a fuck that sucks. But yeah, so he ended up dying
from AIDS because of continuated blood from a car accident. Jesus, at least
he got to play Harry exactly which I was like, but which we said,
which we said during the uh during the pro episode, like I was
telling Joe and Chris, he was in the same week, he was in
two top ten movies because Harry and the Henderson's came out the same time as
this, so he had he I think this movie is number one to Harry
Henderson's like number seven or eight or something like that, which I'm curious how
many actors actually like had that. But uh anyway, sorry, okay,
anyway, bring it back up. So we cut back to the squad.
Dylan finds out that the chopper is still not going to like, refusing to
pick them up until they get further out of the danger zone. Billy gives
a real inspiring speech as everyone realizes that they are completely out of their depth
and totally fucked. This is the part where Billy just goes, we're all
going to die Yeah. Later that night, one of the warning flares goes
off, and Mac, who is on watch duty, stabs the intruder to
death, which turns out to be a pick. But shortly after they discovered
that while they were distracted, Blaine's body was stolen, and when they can't
find any evidence of who grabbed the body or how they got in, Arnold
realizes that the predator must be moving through the trees. Oh yeah, I
have a note that when Apollo apparently my notes. When Dylan asked Mac what
would attack them, Mac tells him that he fired a bunch of rounds,
Max, Like, I fired a bunch of rounds. Nothing could have survived
that just has those hostages, man, nothing could have survived that shit.
And then Dylan says, in that scene, are you saying they were killed
by a lizard. It's like that, he's such an idiot imagination. It's
like a friend San Francisco State Education. Yeah. So that's when Arnold comes
back to the Gorilla demands answers from her, and basically she tells him that,
like Lerity said that the killer changed colors, like it was a chameleon.
And we also find out we also find out her name is Anna,
and Arnold cuts her free so that she can help because they're all being hunted
and she also speaks English and she's suddenly an authority on the predator. Arnold
decides that they're going to take a stand so that they can kill the predator
because otherwise they're not going to make it back. I definitely tell that the
lighting on Arnold's face during the scene isn't natural because he looks like Mortitia Adams
from the ninety Like. It was weird that scene. It looks like they
like I don't know if they like color corrected his face or if they were
just lighting it funny. After like, yeah, like a weird green screen
superimposed. Yeah. At this point, we get to see the squad's well
oiled bodies setting up all their own gorilla style traps. Another moment, another
moment for me, Wait, was is this is this after Mac talks to
does his speech at or before? Uh? This is after? This is
after? Is after? Right, he does his speech right before the place,
So yeah, this is the only scene this this like when he's talking
to Jess Ventur and like, this is probably the only thing I can see
where you might have shown that he was in love with Jesse's the body.
Yeah, because he's on they put him on watch first, right, and
he's up on that yeah, that rock. And then you said he killed
the boar. Yeah, my not only notice Mac goes all john walking that
board. Yeah. I love how quickly he turns into like Macbeth. He's
like plotting to assassinate Carl Weathers. It's like in the final few episodes of
Game of Thrones where Ginarius goes from like normal person. So just in an
episode and a half was completely insane. This is this is what's happening with
Mac. And then my note on the predator taking uh disaventu as you could
say that the predator took the bodies body. Oh Joe, that works for
me, I said, someone besides me excusually just Eric could shake her head
at me. I love how this movie basically starts turning into an rrated home
alone at this point, and I honestly want to see an rated home alone
now and get a react, like a recreation the scene from saving Private Ryan
with like a shell shock, Marv picking up a sever arm after like setting
off one of Kevin's Claymore traps. He's like, oh, just walking around
like with his arm in his hand, like, oh my god, what
happened? Let's see. Oh yeah, yeah. So as they're waiting for
the predator to attack again, Anna tells Arnold that her village has stories about
the hunter that she heard even as a little girl. Oh yeah. Also,
Dylan gives Dutch ship. He's like, you honestly think this boy scout
bullshit is gonna work, and that you're like, this is my jungle.
I have to defend it, you know, like Kevin fromme Alone, I
got, I got so many home alone jokes after this, like go ahead,
uh. And this is this is also the part where Mac is like
habitually shaving again and he's doing it so absent mindedly that he starts fucking cutting
into his cheek with the razor until it literally the head of it snaps off.
And I'm just like, yeah, Max, seems like he's in a
good place to be holding a gun right now. But yeah. The story
basically reminded me of what Joe mentioned during the like pre watch intro about the
predator basically being like the white man going hunting hunting. He's basically like hunting
easier. Predator just a bunch of village people, like the people in his
village, like not the guys who stay at the y m c A.
But I'm sorry, I'm just reading now. Yeah, although I did kill
Hopper's team, so maybe Hoppers team just kind of sucked. I don't know.
So, like because without that camouflage, that thing we fucked. Yeah,
he's basic. Later in the movie. Yeah, he's like the fucking
rich dentist from whatever. That's what we mentioned the Yeah, yeah, the
lion killing asshole. Yeah, like withouts, it's a little crazy, but
his camouflage is like, you know, like the actual African guy you know
who knows like the the area that takes him on the tour, Like,
oh, it takes him right to like the white rhino, and then the
old dentist guy shoots it and it's like I fucking went out in the Sahara
or not Sarah the Serengetti and fucking killed this white rhight. Now it's like,
motherfucker, Like the fucking tour guy took you right there. That's basically
his camouflag brought you to a retired rhino. That thing was in a zoo
until two weeks ago. He was actually at tomorrow mango. Yeah, that
one sounds like a Scotch like, oh yeah, log tomorrow fifteen years uh
so, uh she tells that story. Arnold gets a little impatient and moves
out into the open as bait. He's just about to give up, and
then all of a sudden, a nearby snare is set off and the predator,
who is still invisible, gets stuck up in the net. He blasts
his way out of the net, but he accidentally sets off another trap,
which sends one of the logs flying straight into Poncho's chest. This guy's the
fucking worst. Seriously, he's the worst predator. Whoops another one. It's
like watching a cartoon at this point. This is kind of like home alone.
Uh so. Dylan finally sees the predator for himself as Mac also sees
it and goes chasing after it as it runs away because because literally one bad
thing happened to him, so it decides to run away. Dylan goes after
Mac as he tells everyone else to head for the chopper, and as he's
making his way through the jungle, he starts hearing whispers and then he sees
Walt soaking wet in the middle of the Jungle because apparently it was just a
fucking episode of the Lost podcast. Now between the fucking Boar and the Whispers
and the Jungle, why did Mac take off his stuff? Because he takes
off all this all this stuff when he's singing. I don't know. I
think it might be just like him going crazy. That's that's the only thing
that I have like that he's going going crazy. So he took off his
stuff. Well, he didn't want to carry the heavy gear and everything because
you know, it's the one way trip. Either he's going to go kill
the predator. Yeah maybe that's true. He's out for revenge and that's it.
Yeah, that's all the bullets and everything or in his pocket. So
like he's either gonna die or he's gonna kill. And he also he also
just had an experience where he emptied that entire mini gun into the into the
jungle and didn't hit anything. So I think he's lost a little bit of
faith in the guns. Okay, So yeah, Dylan is walking through here's
the Whispers because the Predators is playing back Mac Mac's lines to him, and
that's when Mac grabs him and drags him into like a bush. I think
as Mac points out where the predator is, I feel like this is the
I haven't seen Predator two yet, but I feel like this is the only
movie like Predator movie that I've seen where they can actually see the predator when
he's camouflaged, because every other movie like where is he? Where is he?
But like again I have I think this is the only Predator who is
the only one that I haven't seen. I'm pretty sure because I watched we
watched Prey last week, so and they couldn't They couldn't see it in that
either. Yeah, yeah, anyway, let's see. So the two of
them split up to try and flank the predator, but as Mac is waking.
As Mac is making his way, the predator sneaks up and blows a
hole in his head. After we see the iconic targeting dots of the predator's
blaster. Again, this is fucking amateur hunter ship with the lasers. Like,
motherfucker is such a bad shot then he needs laser sights and by the
way, he doesn't aim them properly first, like he he gets on Max's
arm. Like if Mac was not stuck in a position where he couldn't move,
he would have been out of there already. Is that what happened?
I mean, like you're telling me that Mac, like hardcore mercenary who's been
in the military forever, like did not recognize the the laser whatever and confused.
But like I said, I think he was crawling through like a log
or something. He was stuck in a log. This wasn't camouflaged, and
this movie would have ended like a half hour ago, like it probably would
have ended when they showed up to the rebel camp. They just would have
blunt like show shown up there, made their way back to the helicopter because
without the camouflage, I'm sure hoppersman probably would have killed that thing before they
arrived. So like it just would have been like a search and rescue movie.
You seen them do that, and like, Okay, well this is
kind of an interesting Army Predators. This is an interesting point because I don't
know, I thought a lot about about this movie in the context of like
the Vietnam War and like Iran Contra, which you know, the scandal broke
the same year that this was coming out, and like the idea of the
predator. He seems like an ultimate predator, but ultimately he only went out
through superior technology through his like predator. I watch, like, good thing,
this doesn't happen in twenty twenty two. He's like, yeah, Sirius,
so engaged blaster to playing chill study beats laughing. Well, yeah,
that's shouting things. So okay, I look up crazy laughing on Google.
Yeah, like wait, Billy laughing. He's like working on his beads.
He's open open file sick beat July thirteenth, real by the way, So
uh Dylan uh finds Mac but then he hears the predator mimicking someone, right,
am I getting ahead a tiny bit ahead? Okay, so so after
yeah, after max head blows up, Uh, we cut back to amazing.
That was cool. Yeah, it was really cool. Yeah, we
cut back to Arnold for just a second so he can explain to us that
the Predator believes in sportsmanship, but not like actual sportsmanship, more like the
way an old British dude thinks he's being sporting when him and his five friends
on horseback give a fox a two minute head start like that kind of.
So then we're back to Dylan, who finds Max's body, and then right
when he figures out where the predator is and he starts to shoot. He
gets his fucking arm blown off and it's still firing a gun the army and
it also he finds him. But here's the predator mimicking someone which who said
who said anytime? I believe that's Mac because I believe it's after he says
thank you for the scorpion thing and he says anytime. That's crap. Okay,
I think that's right. Okay, that's not I'm like, wait,
who said anytime? It's like old audio Express commercials playing audio like what is
the Jungles commercials? And so he gets his arm blown off, and like
Rudy said, it's great because he's holding the gun and it's still firing as
it falls to the ground. Didn't the arm look really good like it did?
That looked really funny. Yeah. And then he you know, Carl
Weathers didn't look like he had his arm in his shirt or you know,
like, no, that ship it looks awesome. It was like torn.
Yeah, yeah, looked really good. There's two things I love about this
scene. One is just that this is the clip they use on Arrested Development
to show how good of an actor. I forgot about that shit it's just
the part where he's screaming when his arm gets blown off. It's great,
it's amazing. And then the other thing is it's funny to because he gets
his arm blown off, he screams, and then like it's slow motion,
so literally like a half second later, he's fine. Yeah, he just
like stops screaming and he's looking around for the predator like, I don't know.
It just strikes me as very funny that he's just over it immediately,
okay, just real quick. The predator is going back to his Apple watch.
The technology is so sick. I mean, he has invisibility technology,
infrared, and then he has just like like the CIA that's supplying arms to
the contras, like ran out of money and so they gave him like a
Walmart surveillance camera technology. It looks so improvised compared to the rest of his
technology and armor. It's very so after his arm is blown off. After
after Dylan's arm is blown off, the predator walks right up to him and
stabs him with wolverine claws, and we cut to the rest of the squad
as they hear his death scream. So they're going through the jungle Billy hears
the scream, decides he doesn't want to die running away, so he strips
down and then performs some casual knife play on himself as his final act I
guess, and then we hear his death scream. I love how they make
this seem like it's going to be some big epic showdown. Became like cutting
his chest, and but then we just hear him immediately scream out, which
is a little disappointing. Well, I like to think that the predator didn't
actually kill Billy, he just slipped off the log and then fill into the
anglow and his scream is more like an old timy goofy like whoa exactly,
Like, yeah, that's a good point, like that the showdown was so
quick. I mean, they spend the entire film, kind of film movie
building up, you know, the Noble Savage trope. You know, I
would argue about it being a vehicle, but side note, they spend this
entire time building up the sort of generic timeless, placeless you know native American
man. Yeah, he's a tracker and this and that, and then they
don't even give him, you know, the the this trope of a of
his like noble death and that he's fighting to the end, Like they just
kind of strip that. I do wonder if they cut a scene or something
there they didn't know. There was something like a trivia thing that said there
was a scene where Abillity gets whatever. But then there was also another trivything
that said that Premier said like, no, there wasn't the director and whoever
there was like a prodcing director. I said that we never filmed it.
There was supposed to be like that. Okay, haven't We've seen natives killed
enough by rich Dix, like in the history of cinema. We didn't need
another ally alert, especially with especially with pat with a fifth Patriot, Patriot
Predator being kind of like a cipher for maybe like the US government. And
it's superior technology. I mean yeah, I think that. I mean yeah,
it's the like the powers that be, they like control the you know,
the everyday person are sometimes invisible or hard to like uh dispatch or like
fight, you know. So yeah, wait, how did we get here?
Dude? I just lost No. No, I mean just that it's
it's superior technology that it could be seen as like a metaphor for the US
government or for the yeah, easily. They're like meddling and socialist countries trying
to flip them and then like the yeah, so I I see that as
well for sure, which I kind of forgot to mention this, but that
is like the of the mission we found out earlier is that they weren't rescuing
anybody. What they were really trying to do was stop an arm steel so
that the army of this country can't go invade the other country, which we
assume is US allied. And that's why Dylan even cares in the first place.
Well, yeah, it's just like a recreation of Nicaragua or Vietnam that
it's a proxy war between the US and the Soviets. It's like the US
just can't stand to have socialism or communism in a country. And like,
so I see this almost as like as I Ran Contra is playing out like
this is basically Nicaragua. The enemy here is they're talking about their Soviets,
and so, you know, because the Soviet Union was backing the you know,
the Sandinistas, then the US is backing like this the Contras trying to
put in a you know, US US approved government. So I don't know,
I see that there, but it's just like a recreation of every US
government meddling in a South American or Global South country, trying to installocracy,
fight the Soviets. That's all the Predator was trying to do. And also
he's trying to depose he's very anti American actually, also like Dutchess like kind
of in this movie or like, Arnold is kind of more than in any
other movie. He's kind of like an everyman, like he's like, uh,
seems much Yeah, he seems much more disturbed by the idea of being
an assassin in this movie, right, yeah, like it comes up a
few times. Yeah, And and Dylan is kind of like, you know,
he's still with the government. He's like the government guy that brings him
in and like and he backstabs him, right, like something that's going on
in uh I Ran Contra right, so like, but then he seemed like
try to kind of make up for it, like feeling bad for like he
dies for pretty much betraying them. But Arnold is always the consummate good guy
in the movies where he's not like the bad guy, you know, like
Commando, he's retired and everything. He doesn't want to get involved, but
he has to because his daughter gets adapt Yeah, but there's not much about
his principles in Commando or in like The Running Man or anything like that's always
implied. I mean there is in The Running Man. That's why he gets
arrested in The Running Man is because he wouldn't fire on the people. Yeah,
at the beginning of the movie, and then for the rest of the
movie, he just is like, I'm gonna kill anybody who like, I
don't know. He's well, he's trying to bring down the man in that,
so he's just like he also attacks what's her name though he's gonna kill
her. But do you always the implied protagonist always? Yeah, Yeah,
he's definitely the protagonist. I just feel like this movie really points to his
like morals as like, no, I'm pissed that you, like, we
don't kill for no reason in this movie, like that is a thing we
do not do. We go in we do rescue missions, and that's the
reason we are willing to do all that stuff. And it's I don't know,
it's pointed out more in this movie, I feel like than a lot
of his other movies. And he's got a whole crew of people he actually
cares for. We're in other movies. I think it might be like one
person that he gives a shit about or like, yeah, I don't know,
I haven't seen as many Arnold movies as you guys, but like he
seems to like really care for these guys. There's like a camaraderie that yeah,
is maybe not in other Arnold movies as much. So, Yeah,
when he loses all his homeboys, it hits harder and you're like, oh,
he's a good guy, maybe more than in other movies, Like,
yeah, he might be a little more. And I yeah, I do
think that aspect of his character is kind of what makes this movie like Rise
above a lot of the other movies is that they bother to do that with
his character, yeah, for in other movies. Yeah, and then it's
complicated because he really I think, yeah, they're setting it up that he
really does care and he really doesn't want to do something wrong. But it's
like you are in someone else's jungle. The US government is in a like
jungle in the Global South, like meddling, and you're these people, these
these you know, ostensible gorillas are actually probably people that are fighting to overthrow
a tyrannical government and are trying to overturn a regime that they're trying to restore
government to the people, and so it's relative and he's like, well,
we're fighting for America, We're fighting for good. And it's like, well,
no, you just blew up a bunch of people who you don't really
know what they're doing, you know what, like your commanders have told you.
You don't know about like the machinations behind the scene. Yeah, he's
got Yeah, he's got a code of ethics, right that allowed because he
thinks he's saving the hostages. Yeah, so he's gonna kill those guys.
But we don't know about the predator's code of ethics, right, So like
he's also like justify with killing for all we know, like he only attacks
people that are trying to attack him. Yeah, so he actually is like
is way more ethical than the US government. It introduces a whole new level
of world relativity. Could be any sort of threat basically, yeah, yeah,
because I mean like like the girl is never attacking him, but he
rold said don't touch the gun because yeah, it like it's hunting us.
That like that's why it didn't kill you. In the jungle with Hawkins.
But yeah, so that brings us to the next part. So, so
the predator catches up after he kills Billy, the predator catches up with Arnold
and Anna and uh Pancho. He blows away Pancho immediately, which kind of
sucks because Pancho's already injured as hell and they're just carrying him to the chopper.
Yeah, but Anna tries to pick up Pancho's gun, but Arnold kicks
it out of her hand so that the predator won't attack her, which like
kind of makes sense to an extent, but also kind of doesn't make sense
because you could have spent that time shooting at the predator and then maybe she
could also shoot at the predator and maybe you guys would have hit it.
I don't know. But then so he kicks the He kicks the gun out
of her hand, and then he very calmly tells her that she should make
her way back to the Rondo, where some form of transport should be able
to get her to safety. I don't remember, it's sort of transport.
Yeah, it's very very forgettable dialogue here, So to the worldly Bud into
the heine Cock. So oh, the predator did hit Arnold with a blaster,
but he's mostly okay. I don't know how because he got hit in
the shoulder, so why didn't it take off his arm? But it's fucking
pure, that's true. His muscles are probably much denser than Carl Weathers.
That's that's a good point. Just before the predator can grab him, he
falls down a hill and then off of a cliff into a river, and
then goes over a small waterfall. He makes his way to the shore and
crawls up through some mud. He rests for a moment until he hears something
big splash in the water behind him, so he climbs up through the mud
and hides in the exposed the exposed roots of a tree. And I really
like when he's first crawling through the mud, he barely has any mud on
him, And then as he gets closer and closer to the tree, every
time we cut back to him, he's got way more mud on him.
How is he still wet after being in like a multiple blast zone of three
hundred degree like fireballs, he would be peeling. He'd be peeling like so
the water fucks with the predators cloaking so Arnold can see him now, but
the predator apparently can't see Arnold now, and he's pretty much like giving up
at this point because he like pretty much was like okay, like just sits
there and waits for it to kill him. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Arnold. I do not believe that that thin layer of mud could hide that
dude is as vascular as like the weight rhinoceros, Like, yeah, he's
so vascular, like he would be glowing like red. I admit that the
cool mud may have made him invisible for a half a second, but that's
just hot mud, now, that's just what that is. Like, there's
no way it's stayed cold. Have you guys seen the videos of like people
farting like with their like thermal vision and you see the heat leave their asshole
like that. I always think of that scene and like the would be amazing
somebody farts the putters like, oh god, he's growing in mind, you
know, Arnold is ripping those protein. So yeah, the predator can't see
all now. He is looking around. He blasts the only heat signature he
can find, but it turns out to just be some little animal just gives
up, and so he just gives up and leaves. Well, he didn't
miss the animal. He saw the animal through the tree trunk. Yeah,
but when he blasts it, the animal gets away, like they specifically,
there's a shot of the animal like running over. Yeah, I know,
because he blasts open the hollowed out tree and then he pulls it up and
then the animal gets away, and he realized it wasn't what he was looking
for. That's how Arnold realizes it can see heat signatures through Okay, stuff
he saw through the tree. So Arnold realizes that the mud made him invisible
and says and whispers to himself, he couldn't see me, And I'm like,
yeah, but he's only like thirty feet away. He may still be
able to hear you, dude, Like he couldn't see me. He went
straight to the mall Kiosk where they do the dead sea mineral mud everything.
Man. I love the idea that the predator is also in addition to being
a shitty dentist who goes on ship, he's also a DJ on the side.
He's a little like Serrando on his creditor. Let's see, so now
that Arnold knows that he has like an advantage, we see him start to
make plans, fashioning weapons and setting traps, all as the pro all as
the Predator makes trophies of his latest kills. He like rips Billy's spine out
and uh, and he like, I don't you like powerwashes the skull to
get the blood off of it or something. I wasn't understanding exactly what happened.
Then I love that part. And I also love that the subtitles in
this part say soft purring as the Predator admires his skulls. I love all
the skull It looks like one of those like curio shops in Brooklyn where there's
like a pigmy on the jar and like like a two headed little calf taxidermeade
like raccoons doing weird stuff. So fun fun fact about this scene when Arnold
satt and all the traps up, they that wasn't actually in the script.
They just kind of left the camera rolling and he needed to get like a
quick workout in between shots. So when he's like benning what would then become
the bow and arrow, it was him, you know, doing that.
And when he's like lifting the tree trunk, it was just him, like
he just had to get quick workouts in just a junk the jungle version of
cross Fire. So it's just fine, and it's vine flex every day.
It's a total bodybook out. This is definitely when the movie turns into a
like fully turns into a rated Home Alone. Yeah, oh yeah, I
know. I kind of wish the two movies would have swapped writings. We
could have got like the writed Home Alone with like Kevin basically murdering harrymar But
then I would definitely watch the PG rated Predator and get a scene where like
the Predator trips Dutches like blow towards trap and walks from for thirty seconds before
realizing there's fire on his head and then doing like a comical run towards the
like over the river and dunk his head and only to find out that Dutch
has replaced all the water with kerosene, and it just goes It's just like,
oh my god, Like I honestly kind of want to make that like
movie to where it's like just a PG rated Predator and between Kevin McAllister Rambo
and Arnold and Predator making making homemade traps, I don't know. Well,
Okay, we gotta we gotta agree on the setting though, because if it's
in the suburbs, Kevin wins. That's and what kind of weapons? I
don't think Arnold understands suburban life. Well, he was in commando, he
wasn't in suburban commando. Also, Kevin also didn't have access to the kind
of weapons. That true, he didn't have military equipment because he hadn't teamed
up with the predator yet to get off. This ibo takes place in the
woods too. Uh And and Dutch is there, so I guess Kevin mccolister's
eliminated. He's gonna killed a real fast. Just a spike through the chest.
That was actually Hopper. It was also, Yeah, Mac is the
guy who he's constantly shaving, and then he gets some river water and puts
on that's that's that's Arnold. Later when he's doing his battle cry, all
is put both hands up to his face and like that was his that was
his aftershavee scene. So Arnold now now that he's got all his traps set
up, Arnold slathers himself in mud, then lights a torch and like Aaron
said, screams into the night. When he's ready to fight. We also
see the predator and I don't really get this part. The predator like uses
his lasers to heat up his wolverine claws. That's what I have in my
notes, like what it looked like he was he doing that? He doesn't
come into play later. He's doing He's doing removal. I got some downtime.
It's gonna work. It's like I want to stab him, but I
don't want him to get calling. The traps is incredibly elaborately made net trap.
I did he bring NITTI need? Like when does he have the ton?
That's some boy scout ship. Like Dylan said, he just learned how
to fucking tie tie vines together. So now Arnold is just sitting there waiting,
and he's just up in a tree and the predator shows up right next
to him but doesn't sense him. So he waits until the predator passes him,
swings from one tree to another, and then puts an explosive arrow right
in front of the treader, right in front of the predator, who immediately
begins to fire blindly in the direction of Arnold. And I love like a
role reversal though, because that's exactly what they were doing earlier. Yes,
it is except a predator. I don't know. I love that he just
turns into a scared asshole with a gun. The second he doesn't have utter
and complete advantage over them. He just comsplete exactly what they were doing earlier,
So all that firing does kind of work. He knocks on allD out
of the tree. He's a little bit hurt when he gets the ground,
but at the same time he did manage to disable the predator's cloaking, so
they're a little more on even ground now. Also, wasn't it just daytime
and now it's all of a sudden dark because it was night when the scenes
started, and then for whatever reason, it's daytime for like a shot and
a half, and then it's back to nighttime after. Yeah, it's it's
really strange. But does it go back to daytime? No, it does
go back to day in daytime because that's when he gets rescued. Yeah,
I mean, you could argue that it's early in the morning because there's so
much night in between that I don't know. Yeah, and the mountains at
the sun and yeah, daylight savings the sun went back behind the mountains.
The time just switched over. It's like Jupiter years, just like Sudden Days
and Monday. So Arnold throws a rock, which then makes the predator give
away his position because he's shooting at the rock. So Arnold hits him again,
this time with an exploding spear. Arnold then uses the predator's blood to
track him because he's bleeding, but he kind of gets tricked and the predator
comes back around on the other side of him. He has to dive into
some water to save himself, but that completely washes off the mud, so
the predator can find and he immediately pins him to the wall, but he
lets him go, and then he walks around and takes his helmet off,
and as a sign of appreciation for this show of mercy, Arnold calls him
ugly like so yeah, basically takes his helmet helmet off and does this like
hole like look at the face of the thing that's gonna kill you, which
is like a total like rich arrogant American asshole, Like I don't know,
it was just like, yeah, I'm not going to kill you, Like
yeah, this is he's gonna kill you. Like he starts doing like a
come at me bro sort of thing. Come on, he wants to go
hand in hand with the best a WWE mash like they're suddenly moving all slowly.
The fetters about to like smash a chair above. So they they do
fight hand to hand for a little bit, but it becomes Arnold cannot hurt
him at all. He beats Arnold's ass. Yeah, he beats the ship
out of him. You can. You can also now that he's taken his
mask off, you can see that it's harder for him to see stuff,
Like I don't really understand why, but still he's he's basically unbeatable. What
really doesn't make sense is how are they able to build like sophisticated spaceships and
ship and all this weaponry with big floppy hands with gigantic nails and terrible fucking
sight. Yeah? God, Like, I know, like they get like
the mask, they can like see better, but how do they build a
mask in the first place. Also when they're in the mask, I'm going
to fucking build machinery with shitty sight. Yeah. Also when they're in the
mask, anything that's not giving off heat looks like a solid sheet of blue
in front of them. There was triviything that said that he can see,
uh, other stuff like stuff. That's not like he's signature because he avoids
trip wires. Yeah, true, and that's that's a point in the movie
that Arnold makes, like, Okay, he sees all the trip wires,
maybe he can't see this jungle ship. Okay, so he's like basically daredevil,
but you don't see daredevil like carenching on a fucking car, you or
like posting like come at me real? Yeah, actually ben affleck person at
least so as Arnold runs away, he he does manage to lead the predator
to like his main trap, which is like this little trench where he has
a big trap set up, which the predator almost falls for but then doesn't
because Arnold is given the game away like begging him to kill him all of
a sudden, come, what are you waiting for? So he flips and
goes around to the other side to not hit the trip wire that he thinks
is there. But then it kind of doesn't matter because Arnold sets off the
trap and the other part of the trap hits him. See more home alone
Shenanigans like this log is basically a combination of Marve getting hit in the face
of the iron and both then get in the face of pink hands, Like,
yeah, I always wondered what that big bar he throws an home alone
is never figured out that's a big I don't know, but like this is
pretty much like I'm surprised if the predatorn't lose like a mandible gold tooth right
here, my gold tooth. He's a good thing. I'm a dentist.
So the predator is now trapped under a log and dying, and Arnold decides
not to kill him and asks what the hell are you, to which the
predator replies, I know you are, but what am I? And then
and then sets off his suicide bomb. Siri initiates suicide bombing sequence Sweet Home,
Alabama, Plank suicidalm We cut to the perspective of the rescue chopper to
see the bomb go off, and then we go back to Arnold standing at
a smoking crater. Dude, that was like the fucking ultimate cigar for for
Arnold and they're like loving the smoking. So he was like rejuvenated from that
nuclear blast, Like is nothing better than dead predator because the preator can't stop
me from smoking in the jungle because he introduced me to them. So then
we see Arnold riding in the chopper with Anna and the General before we cut.
This is my second favorite part of the movie, probably before we cut
to sitcom close ups of the main cast. Is the credit like that?
I love that, And you guys kind of find the final scene of Arnold,
like in the helicopter really sad like he's like it was very like he
is so like off in the distance, like not done. He's like man.
And and by the way, he's lost his entire squad. It makes
his best fucking friends. Only he ever come back. Oh, he's gonna
have like incredible PTSD probably complete hearing the loss. The government doesn't give a
shit. He just gets like a free month of headspace for all of his
I have it in the tripa I'll tell you he comes back, comes back
as Daddy Glover and the and that's it. That's the movie. The credit
list was so short. It was like one of those student films where it's
like the same persons, like the director on behalf of the actors. Yeah.
True, it's always crazy to go back and watch movies from this era
and be like, oh, the credits are not thirteen minutes long. It's
crazy. I mean there's only nine characters in the movie. Yeah, yeah,
but the end the end credits are super cool. Man like, seeing
all of them do their like signature they't even true, is like, I
like it. It's just really funny. Yeah, it's super Well it's not
though, because it's like it's there. I don't know, they're all they're
all like Sandy in the movie. Though. No, no, it wasn't
a movie, but it was like the only person I didn't do it obviously
was Arnold Tory's like I have a waiting to attend. You had to go
marry Maria Schriver. But yeah, and the credits is like all the actors
and then it's just like Billy Billy's Bodyguard body Guard, Philly's Bodyguard's personal assistant.
Now we're going to do something extremely fun. We're going to play a
wonderful game called who is My Daddy? And what does she do? Yes,
And that's our movie. So now we get to move on to America's
favorite segment, Joe Namath. All right, so for those not familiar that
this is some names and the credits that I find funny. First of all,
we got a technical advisor, Gary Goldman, who is Gary oldman's older
Jewish brother. Yeah, thank you. Then we have a special sound effects
person, John P. It's just John P. With the period like like
they forgot to add his last name in or something, or nobody knew it
and they didn't want to ask. He's trying to make like a badass nickname.
Yeah, is it John P. Johnson or John P. Johnston,
Like I'll fuck it, we'll get it later than they forgot it. Turns
out it's John pause pause, Basil. He just goes I uh oh.
He's known for starting with the Spider Verse and Robo Cup and Predator. Obviously,
he was just trying to make his nickname happen, like hey, John
John P. Like no one calls you that, Like you started calling yourself
that. Yeah. I mean there's John C over there. It's like dog,
it's nineteen eighty seven. There's like forty seven Johns on this set.
All right. Then we got a re recording mixer, Richard over Overton,
but I like to read it as Dick Overton over An. Then we have
the assistant to mister Davis, which is Brooke Brooks. Yeah, so somebody
named Brooke married somebody like probably Garth Brooks. I don't know, assholes,
that's true. And then my favorite, probably of all of these creature effects
crew, Screaming mad George. I saw that one when I was looking for
a name for the Trivia but you love that. Yeah, I think that's
a production company though right, No, No, it's a person, uh,
Screaming mad George. I trust. Like if I see that under like
the Creature Crew, I'm like, this is gonna be No, he's the
guy who donated the strawberry jams. It's just John mctounan's blood guy. No,
so stream mad George is actually a special effects artist, like a former
musician blah blah blah who is from Japan but immigrated to America. So his
name is Joji Tanney. But you're known as Screaming mad George. So very
interesting person. We could eat. It is no what year they were born,
but yeah, I'd imagine it's hard to get an answer out of Screaming
Mad George. Yeah, started as a punk rock musician, that makes sense.
Screaming Man didn't worked on special Yeah, special effects stuff like Big Trouble
in Little China, namer in Elm Street, a couple of them, three
and four, Yeah, and just interesting character and that's all I got for
the names. All right, Well, that's gonna do it for this episode.
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