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We're gonna be talking about 20 00:01:27,359 --> 00:01:33,439 the proposed start date of next year's NBA season. That gives us a lot 21 00:01:33,439 --> 00:01:36,079 of material to work with. And we're also going to get into NBA Mats 22 00:01:36,120 --> 00:01:42,239 franchise rankings for the past decade. It was determined using NBA Mats rolling rating 23 00:01:42,400 --> 00:01:45,400 and I'm going to Adam's going to relay some of them to us. The 24 00:01:45,439 --> 00:01:49,159 top teams we're gonna see, do we have any qualms is that are we 25 00:01:49,200 --> 00:01:51,840 surprised or any teams too high? Too low? I'm gonna go at him 26 00:01:51,879 --> 00:01:55,319 as hard as I can. I hope he's sweating because he needs to be 27 00:01:55,359 --> 00:01:57,040 nervous right now. Before we get started, though, shout out to our 28 00:01:57,079 --> 00:02:01,920 sponsors. 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I 34 00:02:21,759 --> 00:02:25,639 am sweating because I'm I'm nervously anticipating having to justify some of these rankings. 35 00:02:25,840 --> 00:02:30,080 But I'm also excited to talk about some of this news, especially because it 36 00:02:30,199 --> 00:02:36,280 seems like the twenty twenty twenty one season will actually start in twenty twenty and 37 00:02:36,319 --> 00:02:39,159 as a creature of Habit who is so used to referring two seasons by those 38 00:02:39,280 --> 00:02:46,120 dual year tags, phrases, whatever you want to call it, that's exciting 39 00:02:46,159 --> 00:02:50,199 just because it means it'll actually be accurate when we keep referring to this upcoming 40 00:02:50,240 --> 00:02:54,520 season as twenty twenty twenty one. Yeah, that's look, it's so I'm 41 00:02:54,560 --> 00:02:58,840 shocked by the date. So this was from I think it was Sham's at 42 00:02:58,840 --> 00:03:01,840 a first right Woes was reporting on ESPN, was reporting out their supports all 43 00:03:01,840 --> 00:03:06,520 over the place about it. But this one comes from from Shams. The 44 00:03:06,639 --> 00:03:12,479 NBA is targeting in December twenty second return date for the twenty twenty one season 45 00:03:12,520 --> 00:03:16,439 and a seventy two game campaign that finishes before the twenty twenty one Olympics, 46 00:03:16,599 --> 00:03:23,400 and so before we I think there's a lot of line reading, like between 47 00:03:23,400 --> 00:03:27,400 the line readings to do here, because this is still sort of unfolding, 48 00:03:27,800 --> 00:03:30,680 But the swiftness with which is happening I think allows us to infer a couple 49 00:03:30,680 --> 00:03:35,680 of things. And obviously getting it done before the Olympics was a priority. 50 00:03:35,919 --> 00:03:38,120 The fact that we're at seventy two games, that they're doing it before Christmas, 51 00:03:38,199 --> 00:03:43,360 those were clearly then priorities they wanted to be on Christmas. They're obviously 52 00:03:43,599 --> 00:03:45,919 trying to fit as many games as possible. The thing that stands out to 53 00:03:45,960 --> 00:03:50,159 me, I'm curious how you feel about this. I feel like it means 54 00:03:50,240 --> 00:03:53,479 that owners don't think waiting is going to give them a better chance of having 55 00:03:53,560 --> 00:03:58,840 fans in arenas next year, Like that was my primary read on that. 56 00:03:58,919 --> 00:04:00,800 That was my first takeaway as well, because you know, they've been talking 57 00:04:00,800 --> 00:04:04,280 about Martin Luther King Junior Day as a potential start date or maybe even later 58 00:04:04,319 --> 00:04:09,800 than that, as a way to get some gate revenue and some fans in 59 00:04:09,840 --> 00:04:14,840 the buildings. But you know that that was always contingent on the pandemic improving 60 00:04:15,879 --> 00:04:20,959 upon you know, cases declining, upon vaccine possibilities, and as as we're 61 00:04:20,959 --> 00:04:26,000 recording this, cases are continuing to spike around the country and we're seeing new 62 00:04:26,040 --> 00:04:30,519 record setting number of positive tests and hospitalizations and everything. So I think it's 63 00:04:30,519 --> 00:04:35,959 just becoming increasingly clear that this isn't going away in the short term future, 64 00:04:36,360 --> 00:04:42,360 and that it is probably better for the league financially to make that gate revenue 65 00:04:42,399 --> 00:04:47,199 sacrifice, get in a full season and then attempt to resume normalcy in the 66 00:04:47,240 --> 00:04:51,639 twenty twenty one twenty twenty two season. And I think some people have pointed 67 00:04:51,639 --> 00:04:56,319 out that maybe it just means that the teams are more optimistic that they would 68 00:04:56,319 --> 00:05:00,120 be allowed to have fans in earlier and I just I would take the the 69 00:05:00,160 --> 00:05:02,639 opposite side of that, where it's maybe they think that they'll still be able 70 00:05:02,680 --> 00:05:05,199 to have some fans and arenas at some point, but they don't think that 71 00:05:05,279 --> 00:05:10,720 waiting until Martin Luther king Day or even until March like had been rumored, 72 00:05:10,720 --> 00:05:15,120 but just never really seemed realistic when you were considering it all that they wouldn't 73 00:05:15,120 --> 00:05:20,519 get that much closer to capacity and so this that logic to me, like 74 00:05:20,560 --> 00:05:24,639 that's where I fall on it, whether it's a good decision or not, 75 00:05:24,759 --> 00:05:27,720 like you're imposing travel here. But WOAG did say that they're going to try 76 00:05:27,720 --> 00:05:30,720 and set up baseball like series so you're gonna have teams, which I think 77 00:05:30,800 --> 00:05:33,199 is smart, and that was probably the last wave frontier for them to cut 78 00:05:33,240 --> 00:05:36,959 down travel. Anyway, when you look at what they've done just in previous 79 00:05:38,000 --> 00:05:41,680 seasons for regular seasons, the way that they've sort of eliminated back to backs 80 00:05:41,680 --> 00:05:44,759 in four games in five nights, this might be something they could look at 81 00:05:44,839 --> 00:05:47,680 moving forward to you know, try and cater to players getting rest and then 82 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:50,800 cutting down on the travel. I'm make sure to see how it plays out. 83 00:05:50,839 --> 00:05:54,879 As a fan, I'm excited that the league is planning on starting back 84 00:05:54,920 --> 00:05:58,000 up again. It's a short offseason. It's wild to think that two months 85 00:05:58,040 --> 00:06:00,639 from now is when the regular season and is supposed to start, or maybe 86 00:06:00,639 --> 00:06:03,279 that's not, Like if that's the regular season date, like we are so 87 00:06:03,360 --> 00:06:08,399 unbelievably close to training camps, like that's just absolutely wild. The drafts on 88 00:06:08,439 --> 00:06:11,759 the A team, we don't even have a free agency date just yet. 89 00:06:12,120 --> 00:06:15,319 That stuff is all. It's it's a lot to process, but it is 90 00:06:15,360 --> 00:06:18,000 exciting. Of course, you want everything to be okay, like the bubble 91 00:06:18,079 --> 00:06:21,879 worked out, which is great, and people like myself who were skeptical of 92 00:06:21,879 --> 00:06:24,959 it, like we ate chrome on it. That's the thing that you love 93 00:06:25,000 --> 00:06:29,519 to eat crow on, Like, I'm glad there was no it's just now 94 00:06:29,519 --> 00:06:32,040 you're you are throwing some levels of travel into this, and players are going 95 00:06:32,079 --> 00:06:36,800 to be going outside of their team dynamics, like to their families and and 96 00:06:38,240 --> 00:06:41,439 living their lives. And look, I was very clear that you can't ask 97 00:06:41,480 --> 00:06:45,079 them to be sequestered for longer than they were at Disney. I like that 98 00:06:45,199 --> 00:06:47,680 was even a stretch. But that's the that's just the concern. Now, 99 00:06:47,720 --> 00:06:50,560 it's like how what ends up happening with this? Will there be implications like 100 00:06:50,600 --> 00:06:54,800 we saw in baseball, even in football, just because it's so much more 101 00:06:54,800 --> 00:06:58,480 of a contact sport. Uh, they're not playing as much, but they're 102 00:06:58,800 --> 00:07:01,240 because it's more of a contact sport, it feels like it's spreading easier through 103 00:07:01,279 --> 00:07:05,759 there. And I think that the NFL would say that they've kept it under 104 00:07:05,800 --> 00:07:09,839 control. And I guess you could argue with the fact that they're playing games 105 00:07:09,879 --> 00:07:13,480 and like turning around, like when they have the results of these tests, 106 00:07:13,519 --> 00:07:16,279 they are putting players in quarantine, but they're figuring out a way to know 107 00:07:16,439 --> 00:07:19,240 where the tests are still coming back negative. But then there's this long incubation 108 00:07:19,279 --> 00:07:23,399 period. I don't know whether you call what the NFL is doing effective. 109 00:07:23,800 --> 00:07:26,800 It seems effective for their purposes. I don't I don't know that it's safe. 110 00:07:26,800 --> 00:07:29,120 I would argue that it's not, but that is the concern here. 111 00:07:29,120 --> 00:07:30,439 I'm not saying the NBA's wrong. Like, the reality is that the NBA 112 00:07:30,480 --> 00:07:33,240 season was going to happen. It just happened inside a bubble. They weren't 113 00:07:33,240 --> 00:07:36,360 going to cancel the NBA season again or wait and do another three month bubble. 114 00:07:36,639 --> 00:07:40,480 So looking at it through the lens of that reality, and I hope 115 00:07:40,480 --> 00:07:44,639 this doesn't come off through callous because I'm honestly trying not to be. I'm 116 00:07:44,720 --> 00:07:48,879 just hopeful that nothing goes wrong because they are dealing with a whole different set 117 00:07:49,240 --> 00:07:54,079 of circumstances that are beyond their control compared to what they were going through in 118 00:07:54,120 --> 00:07:59,959 Disney. I'm cautiously optimistic about how the NBA will be able to handle things 119 00:08:00,240 --> 00:08:03,839 because I think that the league as a whole has earned the benefit of the 120 00:08:03,839 --> 00:08:05,959 doubt after how well it handled the bubble. I mean, there was not 121 00:08:07,000 --> 00:08:09,720 a single positive test within it. The rules were strict, the testing was 122 00:08:11,639 --> 00:08:16,879 done properly and with sufficient volume, and you know, we saw the NHL 123 00:08:16,040 --> 00:08:20,920 also have similar success in a bubble environment. But obviously, as you mentioned, 124 00:08:20,959 --> 00:08:24,639 you can't ask players to stay sequestered once again for an entire season. 125 00:08:24,759 --> 00:08:28,639 So given the success that the league has already had with a bubble environment, 126 00:08:28,839 --> 00:08:33,960 and then the fact that it will become the third major American league to attempt 127 00:08:35,039 --> 00:08:39,159 to have this travel based schedule, and we'll be able to take the positives 128 00:08:39,159 --> 00:08:43,879 and the negatives from what MLB and the NFL have done. Again, like 129 00:08:43,960 --> 00:08:48,399 just I'm cautiously optimistic on it. We saw in baseball we had the initial 130 00:08:48,440 --> 00:08:52,799 outbreaks from the Miami Marlins and the Saint Louis Cardinals that created pushedback schedules and 131 00:08:52,600 --> 00:08:56,679 created so many double headers and stuff. Obviously, you can't have double headers 132 00:08:56,679 --> 00:09:01,080 in basketball. That just wouldn't fly. But I think that the NBA will 133 00:09:01,120 --> 00:09:05,519 have learned that you need to budget some time for makeup games later on in 134 00:09:05,519 --> 00:09:09,279 the season. The fact that they're already attempting to limit travel. I'm sure 135 00:09:09,320 --> 00:09:13,200 that there are other things that are under consideration that we just aren't being appraised 136 00:09:13,200 --> 00:09:16,960 about quite yet. And then with the NFL, you know, we've seen 137 00:09:16,399 --> 00:09:20,600 teams consistently have smaller outbreaks. We saw it with Cam Newton and the New 138 00:09:20,600 --> 00:09:26,679 England Patriots. Right now we're seeing it with the Las Vegas Raiders who had 139 00:09:26,000 --> 00:09:31,279 Trent Brown and the rest of their offensive line through contract contact tracing. We're 140 00:09:31,799 --> 00:09:35,399 all sent home to ensure safety and to make sure that there wasn't going to 141 00:09:35,440 --> 00:09:39,759 be a more significant outbreak, you know, just seeing other leagues do things 142 00:09:39,840 --> 00:09:45,360 like that and taking away the proper lessons from it. You know, if 143 00:09:45,360 --> 00:09:48,919 there is a league that deserves that deserves that benefit of the doubt, like 144 00:09:50,159 --> 00:09:52,120 it should be the NBA at this point. Yeah, I would agree with 145 00:09:52,159 --> 00:09:58,120 you on that front. And look by December, like maybe they're something drastically 146 00:09:58,120 --> 00:10:01,519 different with the level of the idiot testing. I mean, they're going to 147 00:10:01,600 --> 00:10:05,840 have access to the testing. That's a whole other morality issue where it's if 148 00:10:05,840 --> 00:10:11,159 they're going to have access to testing frequency that the normal citizens still doesn't. 149 00:10:11,159 --> 00:10:13,240 That was something that people talked about as they were entering the bubble, but 150 00:10:13,399 --> 00:10:16,440 for the NBA specifically, when you're just looking at if the assumption is they're 151 00:10:16,440 --> 00:10:20,200 going to play the season, these are the circumstances under which they are playing 152 00:10:20,200 --> 00:10:22,600 it, I would say that they have earned the benefit of the doubt there. 153 00:10:24,240 --> 00:10:26,399 The other thing to wrapp our heads around though, was just how soon 154 00:10:26,440 --> 00:10:28,879 this season is coming. Like that's just was gonna say, like if we 155 00:10:28,919 --> 00:10:33,480 put aside the health concerns and acknowledging that those still exist regardless of how well 156 00:10:33,519 --> 00:10:37,000 they're going to handle it. There are other concerns with this schedule, And 157 00:10:37,039 --> 00:10:39,919 we were talking before we started recording about rookies. You know, like they're 158 00:10:39,960 --> 00:10:45,600 going to be drafted on November eighteenth. If they're traded, they might not 159 00:10:45,720 --> 00:10:50,279 officially be traded until a month after that date, which means that three days 160 00:10:50,360 --> 00:10:54,120 later they could be playing basketball games. So like, I feel like the 161 00:10:54,240 --> 00:11:00,919 quality of play could be pretty rough this season, especially if players are testing 162 00:11:00,919 --> 00:11:05,200 positive and you're turning to backups more often and just knowing that teams are going 163 00:11:05,240 --> 00:11:09,799 to want to still give run to their big investments on these young players. 164 00:11:09,799 --> 00:11:15,759 But there isn't that get up to speed acclamation period for guys who haven't played 165 00:11:15,799 --> 00:11:20,159 competitive basketball games since March with a limited training camp. If there is even 166 00:11:20,200 --> 00:11:26,440 a preseason with this condensed schedule like it could essentially be like pick up basketball 167 00:11:26,519 --> 00:11:31,039 games at the very start of the season, which is better than no basketball 168 00:11:31,120 --> 00:11:33,799 games, but it could be a little a little rough. 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You are dealing 189 00:12:52,919 --> 00:12:56,240 with rookies then, however, though, and you're also dealing with, like, 190 00:12:56,320 --> 00:13:00,919 let's talk about free agency signings if there are any you know, fairly 191 00:13:01,000 --> 00:13:05,600 big moves like they're playing for new teams and like that can have or warrant 192 00:13:05,639 --> 00:13:09,799 in acclamation period as well. One thing I want to ask you, do 193 00:13:09,919 --> 00:13:13,679 you think the teams that did not go to Disney now or maybe even let's 194 00:13:13,679 --> 00:13:18,120 say the ones that only played in the eight games they're looking at Phoenix or 195 00:13:18,159 --> 00:13:24,440 Washington, did they have an edge over the teams that went deeper into the 196 00:13:24,440 --> 00:13:30,679 postseason, just because of how quick this turnaround is. My guess is that 197 00:13:31,039 --> 00:13:35,559 the teams that played in the bubble but didn't make the playoffs are going to 198 00:13:35,600 --> 00:13:41,320 have the biggest advantage, But it's probably just a marginal one, and it's 199 00:13:41,799 --> 00:13:48,240 you know, it feels like this past season was the one that, really, 200 00:13:48,360 --> 00:13:52,639 more than others in the recent past, enforced the idea that the regular 201 00:13:52,679 --> 00:13:58,399 season and the postseason are entirely different entities in the NBA, That a dominant 202 00:13:58,440 --> 00:14:03,200 regular sea and team like the Milwaukee Bucks might be schemable in the playoffs. 203 00:14:03,240 --> 00:14:09,919 That a very well coached team with depth and lots of upper end talents like 204 00:14:09,960 --> 00:14:15,360 the Miami Heat might be able to just experiment a little bit during the regular 205 00:14:15,399 --> 00:14:18,320 season knowing that it can turn it on a little bit in the postseason. 206 00:14:18,679 --> 00:14:24,279 So I feel like by the midway point of this expected seventy two games season, 207 00:14:24,720 --> 00:14:28,240 everyone's going to be in the same same boat. Maybe someone like the 208 00:14:28,279 --> 00:14:33,039 Phoenix Suns that got the benefit of more recent play and gets to experience a 209 00:14:33,039 --> 00:14:39,840 little more continuity and confidence without exhausting itself during the deep postseason run might have 210 00:14:39,879 --> 00:14:43,519 a marginal advantage at the start of the season, but I don't think that 211 00:14:43,519 --> 00:14:46,799 that's going to be like a big enough factor for us to really take it 212 00:14:46,840 --> 00:14:52,559 into consideration when we're making predictions and figuring out who are award picks and playoff 213 00:14:52,600 --> 00:14:56,519 picks are going to be. What do you think, like, how quickly 214 00:14:58,279 --> 00:15:03,279 does free agency have to happen? Now there's the draft is November eighteenth? 215 00:15:03,320 --> 00:15:05,960 Did they just started on November nineteenth? Selfishly, I hope that doesn't happen 216 00:15:07,000 --> 00:15:09,399 because I'd like a little bit of time to breathe with all the work that 217 00:15:09,399 --> 00:15:13,000 we'll be doing up to and through the draft, Like I just need a 218 00:15:13,000 --> 00:15:15,639 moment to catch my breath after that. To have to pivot directly into free 219 00:15:15,679 --> 00:15:18,240 agency, which is arguably our second busiest time of the year behind the trade 220 00:15:18,240 --> 00:15:22,279 deadline, I would say would just be absolutely wild. But it's also like, 221 00:15:22,360 --> 00:15:26,159 well, if you put it, push it a week, like all 222 00:15:26,159 --> 00:15:28,600 of a sudden, that's almost December, and that's three weeks before the season, 223 00:15:30,000 --> 00:15:33,519 basically three or four weeks. This is just so hard to wrap my 224 00:15:33,600 --> 00:15:37,679 head around. I think that there should be and probably will be a gap 225 00:15:37,720 --> 00:15:43,679 of at least a week, just because it's asking too much of front offices 226 00:15:43,120 --> 00:15:48,720 to go into a draft environment that's already more uncertain than in previous years, 227 00:15:48,759 --> 00:15:54,240 just because players haven't played as many games and haven't played recently, and you 228 00:15:54,279 --> 00:15:56,840 can't do the in front of the team workouts that you're used to doing, 229 00:15:56,879 --> 00:16:00,600 and you're getting the combined results direct from the league and all that. Like, 230 00:16:00,720 --> 00:16:04,440 just going through that uncertain process and not knowing who you're gonna land, 231 00:16:04,799 --> 00:16:08,159 it would be unfair to ask them to immediately turn around and have to offer 232 00:16:08,200 --> 00:16:14,200 contracts to players like you at least need to give them time to reshape their 233 00:16:14,240 --> 00:16:18,080 priorities and lists of needs to address based on the results of the draft, 234 00:16:18,159 --> 00:16:25,159 because it's always such a tumultuous time that that quick of a turnaround would create 235 00:16:25,320 --> 00:16:29,960 more bad money contracts that I don't think the league ever really wants to see. 236 00:16:30,159 --> 00:16:33,759 Yeah, that's a good point. The final issue here, the All 237 00:16:33,799 --> 00:16:37,960 Star Game is now in jeopardy, which is slated to be hosted in Indiana. 238 00:16:37,080 --> 00:16:41,039 That's you know, that has to become a casualty of the season if 239 00:16:41,039 --> 00:16:42,559 you're not going to have fans in there anyway, Like the NBA might be 240 00:16:42,639 --> 00:16:48,320 okay with that. I would be curious what happens with Indiana hosting the game, 241 00:16:48,480 --> 00:16:49,559 Like, do you now all of a sudden push back the All Star 242 00:16:49,600 --> 00:16:53,600 schedules a year for each city. Do you pick a few years down the 243 00:16:53,600 --> 00:16:56,519 lines that it doesn't impact where the other All Star Games are scheduled for? 244 00:16:57,600 --> 00:17:02,720 Does this just screw and yet to indefinitely? That would be something to consider 245 00:17:02,759 --> 00:17:06,160 for the Indiana market specifically. But there's a chance we just don't have an 246 00:17:06,480 --> 00:17:10,480 an All Star Game, which I think you're just more I'd be more worried 247 00:17:10,480 --> 00:17:14,000 about, Like, can we get through this season without just any catastrophe would 248 00:17:14,319 --> 00:17:15,920 have to be the goal. And if if the All Star Game is the 249 00:17:15,920 --> 00:17:21,680 collateral damage of that, that sucks for Indiana. But if they weren't going 250 00:17:21,720 --> 00:17:23,119 to be able to have fans in the arena anyway, I don't really know 251 00:17:23,160 --> 00:17:26,200 how big of a loss then the All Star Game ends up being. I 252 00:17:26,200 --> 00:17:30,359 do wonder what it would do to contract incentives, you know, if there 253 00:17:30,359 --> 00:17:37,480 are any salary contingencies that are based on All Star appearances or anything. I'm 254 00:17:37,519 --> 00:17:40,920 not aware if those are in any current contracts, but if they are, 255 00:17:41,039 --> 00:17:44,839 like that would have to be something to consider. But yeah, Okay, 256 00:17:44,880 --> 00:17:48,759 like what a loss that would be. Well, that was pretty dismissive. 257 00:17:48,880 --> 00:17:51,599 That was more dismissive than I was, right. I mean, like, 258 00:17:51,799 --> 00:17:57,359 who cares like it's it's fun, I guess to watch a game being played 259 00:17:57,359 --> 00:18:02,240 with no defense whatsoever. But there was defense in this past All Star Game. 260 00:18:02,279 --> 00:18:03,079 I think that a little bit, a little bit. Yeah, the 261 00:18:03,319 --> 00:18:08,599 new format worked well for that, But still like, until the NBA and 262 00:18:08,640 --> 00:18:14,880 I'll get up on my soapbox here, until the NBA expands rosters commensurate to 263 00:18:14,920 --> 00:18:18,559 the growing size of the league, I don't care about the All Star Game, 264 00:18:18,960 --> 00:18:22,799 Like I still just hate the fact that, you know, there were 265 00:18:22,880 --> 00:18:26,519 twelve twelve player rosters for the Eastern Conference in the Western Conference back in the 266 00:18:26,599 --> 00:18:33,119 nineteen seventies when the league had had a dozen and a little bit more teams 267 00:18:33,720 --> 00:18:37,119 without cycling through so many on the back ends of the rosters. And it's 268 00:18:37,119 --> 00:18:41,200 still twelve players per team in twenty twenty, even though we have thirty teams 269 00:18:41,200 --> 00:18:45,960 with expanded rosters and more players on the back end. It's just it no 270 00:18:45,039 --> 00:18:51,839 longer represents the same X percentage of the league the top X percentile, and 271 00:18:51,920 --> 00:18:55,880 it should so until they expand like having fifteen all stars per conference. I 272 00:18:55,920 --> 00:19:00,759 just don't give a shit. Firm but fair. Let's get into these franchise 273 00:19:00,839 --> 00:19:06,240 rankings for the past decade. Do you want to take us through the methodology 274 00:19:06,319 --> 00:19:08,599 just behind it, like how the rolling team ratings work a little bit before 275 00:19:08,640 --> 00:19:12,039 we eviserate you and I say we because the listeners are right here with me. 276 00:19:12,119 --> 00:19:15,000 We have our swords out as you should. Yeah, I mean, 277 00:19:15,000 --> 00:19:19,319 this was a this was a fun project that you know, we tried to 278 00:19:19,359 --> 00:19:25,079 make very clear on the Twitter thread that was meant to be viewed as a 279 00:19:25,079 --> 00:19:29,039 baseline more than anything else, just because the methodology isn't perfect. All the 280 00:19:29,079 --> 00:19:32,000 categories are rated the same, are ranked the same, and weighted the same, 281 00:19:32,759 --> 00:19:36,640 so you know, if if you are frustrated that your team is fourteenth 282 00:19:36,720 --> 00:19:41,519 instead of fifteenth, then they were separated by a minuscule margin. Like remember 283 00:19:41,559 --> 00:19:45,519 it's just a baseline. But yeah, So we first the rolling team ratings 284 00:19:45,559 --> 00:19:51,759 that we use at NBA Math. They essentially look at margin of victory adjusted 285 00:19:51,799 --> 00:19:56,079 for pace of play and the difficulty of the opponent, also giving extra credit 286 00:19:56,119 --> 00:20:02,480 to teams that are playing back to back games just because of increased scheduled difficulty 287 00:20:02,519 --> 00:20:07,240 there. So the Rolling Team ratings show a one number estimate of how well 288 00:20:07,279 --> 00:20:15,359 a team has played over its past twenty games is exactly average, anything above 289 00:20:15,480 --> 00:20:19,640 is better, so on and so forth. So four are three of our 290 00:20:19,680 --> 00:20:22,880 categories. Of the six that we used for these rankings were based on the 291 00:20:22,960 --> 00:20:26,759 Rolling team ratings. We looked at going back to the twenty ten eleven season 292 00:20:26,839 --> 00:20:30,920 through the end of this last campaign. We were only interested in that last 293 00:20:30,920 --> 00:20:34,640 decade, and we looked at their average score in the Rolling Team rankings. 294 00:20:36,119 --> 00:20:40,920 They're eighty two highest games, simulating the peak season, if you will, 295 00:20:41,000 --> 00:20:45,519 even though those didn't have to be consecutive numbers. The true peak so the 296 00:20:45,599 --> 00:20:48,680 highest twenty games stretch that they had at any point during the last decade. 297 00:20:49,000 --> 00:20:52,680 Then we looked at their win percentage, the number of playoff appearances that they 298 00:20:52,759 --> 00:20:57,680 made, and how many titles they want. So the idea was to recognize 299 00:20:59,000 --> 00:21:06,200 regular season six how high the peaks of teams rose, just because it's better 300 00:21:06,680 --> 00:21:11,599 from a fan experience to have a team that peaks really, really high than 301 00:21:11,640 --> 00:21:15,759 to have a team that is consistently good, even if they tend to lead 302 00:21:15,799 --> 00:21:18,960 to about the same amount of success. Just that entertainment factor. And then 303 00:21:19,000 --> 00:21:22,279 we also wanted to give credit to making the postseason and doing well in the 304 00:21:22,319 --> 00:21:26,480 postseason, so we took the Z scores in all six of those categories to 305 00:21:27,039 --> 00:21:32,960 account for how why the disparities were between ranks and not just where they ranked. 306 00:21:33,279 --> 00:21:37,119 Summed those up and those were our franchise rankings. The weight is finally 307 00:21:37,200 --> 00:21:42,119 over. Football is back. 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You're online sports book experts. 317 00:22:21,799 --> 00:22:25,319 I dig it. So do you want to take us through the results? 318 00:22:26,160 --> 00:22:27,720 Yeah? So I want to go through the top ten. I don't think 319 00:22:27,759 --> 00:22:30,880 we should go through all thirty here and then just ask you if you had 320 00:22:30,920 --> 00:22:36,319 any surprises within that top ten, and then if there were any franchises you 321 00:22:36,359 --> 00:22:40,880 were surprised weren't in the top ten. So at number ten, we had 322 00:22:40,880 --> 00:22:45,359 the Dallas Mavericks, who have their one title, the one that they won 323 00:22:45,480 --> 00:22:49,880 over the Miami Heat and their first year of that Big Three era that was 324 00:22:49,960 --> 00:22:55,440 so surprising and led to Mark Cuban eviscerating Skip Bayliss, which remains one of 325 00:22:55,480 --> 00:23:00,640 the most satisfying moments of the decade. We had the consistently success full Indiana 326 00:23:00,680 --> 00:23:03,200 Pacers, who were one of a handful of teams that made the playoffs nine 327 00:23:03,240 --> 00:23:07,720 out of ten seasons. We had the Boston Celtics, who do not get 328 00:23:07,759 --> 00:23:10,839 to count their two thousand and eight title in this but we're consistently good, 329 00:23:11,119 --> 00:23:14,559 another team that made the playoffs nine times out of those ten years. We 330 00:23:14,599 --> 00:23:18,440 had the Toronto Raptors at number seven, who had the title in twenty nineteen 331 00:23:18,519 --> 00:23:25,039 and have been another consistently excellent franchise despite the playoff disappointments that they have endured. 332 00:23:25,039 --> 00:23:27,319 We have the Los Angeles Clippers at number six, and the Houston Rockets 333 00:23:27,319 --> 00:23:33,359 at number five. The Oklahoma City Thunder are at number four. Miami Heat, 334 00:23:33,359 --> 00:23:37,000 who won two titles during the Big Three era and made the finals this 335 00:23:37,039 --> 00:23:41,440 past season, are at number three. Then there was a gigantic gap. 336 00:23:41,759 --> 00:23:45,319 The gap between number three and number two was about as big as the gap 337 00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:48,799 between number three and number ten. We had the San Antonio Spurs at number 338 00:23:48,839 --> 00:23:52,759 two, even though they only won one title during the last decade as the 339 00:23:53,079 --> 00:23:56,960 dynastic era of that franchise kind of petered out a little bit. And I 340 00:23:56,960 --> 00:24:02,440 don't think it will surprise anyone given their titles and the ridiculous peaks that they 341 00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:06,440 achieved with Steph Curry, Kevin Durant, Clay Thompson, and Draymond Green Golden 342 00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:11,200 State Warriors checking in at number one. Yeah, that's not a surprise. 343 00:24:11,559 --> 00:24:15,759 I was. So let's start with a team that I was shocked, wasn't 344 00:24:15,799 --> 00:24:21,160 I guess? Closer to the top ten. The Portland Trailblazers being at seventeen 345 00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:26,680 this decade were a little bit surprising to me. That was surprising to me 346 00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:30,000 as well, And it really came down and that's why in the introduction of 347 00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:33,079 this segment, I wanted to emphasize why that peak mattered, because that's where 348 00:24:33,119 --> 00:24:37,640 they fell short. So in terms of winning percentage, they won fifty four 349 00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:41,079 point eight percent of their regular season games over the last decade, which ranks 350 00:24:41,119 --> 00:24:45,680 tenth. They made the playoffs eight times, which is obviously impressive. There 351 00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:49,200 were only four teams that made the playoffs more frequently. Their average score and 352 00:24:49,319 --> 00:24:52,799 rolling team rating was tenth. They did not win a title, but that 353 00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:56,640 the same is true of most franchises over the last decade. Where they fell 354 00:24:56,720 --> 00:25:00,480 short was the eighty two game peak average and their true peak. In those 355 00:25:00,519 --> 00:25:04,680 two categories they ranked twenty second and twenty third, respectively, which I think 356 00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:08,720 feels pretty accurate to me. Where they were like them in the Memphis Grizzlies. 357 00:25:08,759 --> 00:25:12,119 Really who checked it at number fifteen and was another team where I was 358 00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:18,920 surprised they weren't a little bit higher. They are suffering for being consistently good 359 00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:22,119 without ever being great. I mean, if you think back on the last 360 00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:27,839 decade of Portland Trail Portland Trailblazers basketball, is there a team that really stands 361 00:25:27,839 --> 00:25:33,359 out as being like a legitimate title contender. They made the Western Conference Finals 362 00:25:33,359 --> 00:25:37,039 in twenty eighteen nineteen. They have a handful of fifty win seasons. They 363 00:25:37,039 --> 00:25:41,000 peaked at fifty four wins in twenty thirteen fourteen and then lost in the Western 364 00:25:41,039 --> 00:25:45,160 Conference finals. But these LaMarcus Aldridge and Damian Lillard led teams, like they 365 00:25:45,279 --> 00:25:49,279 never really established themselves as the class of the Western Conference, and without doing 366 00:25:49,279 --> 00:25:53,480 that at any point, or even having a twenty games stretch within a season 367 00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:56,720 where it seemed like that would be a possibility, that that's why they fell 368 00:25:56,759 --> 00:26:00,279 short. Yeah, that one of the misstapportunity I think it was twenty fourteen 369 00:26:00,319 --> 00:26:04,680 twenty fifteen is that when West Matthews ruptured his achilles toward the end of the 370 00:26:04,759 --> 00:26:07,400 year. Yeah, that was big for them. But still they've had the 371 00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:12,400 tenth highest winning percentage for the decade among teams, which among teams, which 372 00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:18,480 is incredibly impressive. I don't know that I was. I guess another some 373 00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:22,680 of the pushback would come from the Lakers being not they maybe not even not 374 00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:26,359 in the top ten, but they were nineteen on the rankings. Since I 375 00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:29,720 have the you know, the full thirty right in front of me, I 376 00:26:30,839 --> 00:26:33,079 like that makes sense to me if they just haven't been great this decade. 377 00:26:33,079 --> 00:26:37,599 This season they won a championship, but there was a lot of hardship on 378 00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:42,640 the court for them before that, and this look the decade starts like after 379 00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:47,519 they won their last championship with Kobe, and then from there it's like kind 380 00:26:47,519 --> 00:26:52,599 of a quick path to when he ruptured his achilles in twenty thirteen, and 381 00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:56,799 everything was downhill from there for them. For they were out before that happened, 382 00:26:56,839 --> 00:26:59,640 too well, they were he first of all, he was playing out 383 00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:02,079 his mom when that happened. I remember that that season he was playing so 384 00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:06,839 well, but that team was underachieving. They was injuries to Palcasol and Steve 385 00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:08,599 Nash, and then Dwight Howard wasn't at full strength, and then there was 386 00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:11,200 the fact that he was Dwight Howard and getting along with Kobe Bryant. That 387 00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:15,759 stuff mattered. But like they've had I can't tell whether I think they should 388 00:27:15,759 --> 00:27:18,359 be lower, is what I'm getting at at numbers nineteen, or if I 389 00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:22,880 feel like I'm surprised that they're that low. They're probably just where they need 390 00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:26,319 to be. If anything, I might be surprised that they're not a little 391 00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:27,640 bit lower. But then the thing is like, well, they were still 392 00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:32,519 a playoff team in twenty twenty thirteen, and they did just win a title, 393 00:27:32,559 --> 00:27:36,240 and they weren't absolutely awful last season. I don't know where I land 394 00:27:36,319 --> 00:27:40,680 on where they've fallen. It felt pretty accurate to me. I do think 395 00:27:40,759 --> 00:27:44,920 it's important to emphasize that we did not give any extra credit to the most 396 00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:48,880 recent seasons. So even though the Los Angeles Lakers just won a title, 397 00:27:48,319 --> 00:27:52,480 that doesn't matter anymore than the Dallas Mavericks winning a title in twenty eleven, 398 00:27:52,599 --> 00:27:57,599 because we are considering all of the seasons equal. The Lakers and the Cavaliers, 399 00:27:57,599 --> 00:28:00,960 who ranked eleventh, were the only two franchises the won a title and 400 00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:06,319 did not make the top ten. But the Cavaliers had more good years and 401 00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:10,960 a higher peak. Because even this title winning team, it never really like 402 00:28:11,039 --> 00:28:15,200 ascended to Juggernaut's status. You know, it played very well throughout the playoffs, 403 00:28:15,319 --> 00:28:22,279 but at no point was it like this is like a ridiculous historic team. 404 00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:25,200 So if we look through the ranks and the six categories, I think 405 00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:30,279 it becomes more obvious why the Lakers weren't able to rise any higher than nineteenth 406 00:28:30,559 --> 00:28:33,799 in average rolling team rating. They were twentieth ninety nine point three seven one, 407 00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:40,759 so on average, they were below that league break even point. Their 408 00:28:40,759 --> 00:28:45,240 eighty two game peak ranked fifteenth, their true peak ranked twenty first. Their 409 00:28:45,279 --> 00:28:49,359 winning percentage of forty five point one was eighteenth, and nineteen teams made the 410 00:28:49,359 --> 00:28:53,640 playoffs more frequently than they did because they only advanced to the postseason four times 411 00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:57,839 in the last decade. Really, without that title being included in the methodology, 412 00:28:57,839 --> 00:29:02,680 they would have ranked far lower. The Knicks coming in at number twenty 413 00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:06,319 two was kind of shocking to me. It feels like those mellow seasons are 414 00:29:06,319 --> 00:29:11,079 doing some heavy lifting for them in this and I just, I honestly would 415 00:29:11,119 --> 00:29:12,759 have thought that, you know, the Wizards being at twenty four, I 416 00:29:12,799 --> 00:29:18,240 would have thought that they finished ahead of the Knicks, even having Brooklyn at 417 00:29:18,279 --> 00:29:19,400 twenty five, I don't thought the Knicks finished below then. I'm not even 418 00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:22,559 trying to dump on the Knicks here. You know, maybe you could put 419 00:29:22,599 --> 00:29:25,640 them ahead of the Suns. I'd listened to the Timberwolves, the Hornets, 420 00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:29,039 sure, but even there were some good Hornets teams mix in with that decade. 421 00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:33,559 I was surprised that the Knicks evaded bottom five status. Is basically what 422 00:29:33,599 --> 00:29:37,799 I'm getting at. Honestly, the team that surprised me most was the Phoenix 423 00:29:37,839 --> 00:29:41,680 Suns being twenty six. I would have expected them to be lower because they, 424 00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:44,920 along with the Sacramento Kings, are one of only two teams in the 425 00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:48,039 league that failed to make the playoffs even once in the last decade, and 426 00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:53,240 like that has to matter. So the Suns are carried by their peak being 427 00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:57,200 relatively high at the bottom of these rankings. It checked in at twenty second 428 00:29:57,319 --> 00:30:03,599 in the league. But other than that, like their resume is so it's 429 00:30:03,599 --> 00:30:07,680 not even nondescript, it's just bad. So that was that was a surprise 430 00:30:07,759 --> 00:30:11,240 for me, where it's like wow, like they're they're actually ahead of the 431 00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:14,599 Timberwolves, the Hornets, the Pistons, and the Kings. The Kings aren't 432 00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:18,960 earning a surprise. At thirty. They ranked dead last in every single category, 433 00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:22,920 so like they were the very obvious last place finisher And I'm sorry, 434 00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:26,839 Kings fan, like I hope it gets better for u. Daron Fox is 435 00:30:26,839 --> 00:30:30,079 super fun and it seems like they could be a playoff threat just like every 436 00:30:30,079 --> 00:30:33,559 other team in the Western Conference going forward. But this last decade was really 437 00:30:33,599 --> 00:30:38,680 bad. Recency bias is funny too in that way where I'm looking at the 438 00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:41,960 top and to me it's like, oh, the Bucks aren't in the top 439 00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:45,440 ten, but then then looking at the decade in full that that kind of 440 00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:51,400 makes sense. I think this what I think it gets right is the Toronto 441 00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:55,160 Raptors being at number seven. They don't receive enough credit for the longevity of 442 00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:57,920 their success. They're you know, they became postseason punchlines a lot with the 443 00:30:59,039 --> 00:31:03,559 Kyle Awry Demarto was in partnership. But since twenty thirteen twenty fourteen, they've 444 00:31:03,599 --> 00:31:07,519 basically been a fifty win team every single year and that's really hard to do 445 00:31:07,839 --> 00:31:11,880 in the NBA. So with all the turnover that takes place, and look, 446 00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:15,920 they've taken some swings themselves. They went after the Quaie trade and they 447 00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:19,400 lost Kauai. That they're being at number seven, is that that feels right 448 00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:22,440 where you could be like, oh, would you put them ahead of the 449 00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:25,640 Clippers or the Rockets. Yeah, maybe, but that they're in that conversation 450 00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:27,240 at all is really kind of a testament to what they've been able to do 451 00:31:27,279 --> 00:31:33,200 there over the past specifically like seven years. Great. Great. It kind 452 00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:37,480 of feels like they're like the souped up version of the Portland Trailblazers where they 453 00:31:37,519 --> 00:31:41,119 don't have like the super high peak. Even that title winning team like it 454 00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:45,279 was, it was a very very good, fundamentally excellent and deep team, 455 00:31:45,559 --> 00:31:51,759 but again, it wasn't like reaching that Warrior's peak or that Spurs peak where 456 00:31:51,839 --> 00:31:56,039 it was just like the epitome of basketball perfection. So their true peak actually 457 00:31:56,119 --> 00:32:00,440 ranks twentieth and this methodology, but they're so good in the other category that 458 00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:02,440 they were still carried into the top ten. It's like, I do think 459 00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:07,519 it's like what the Portland Trail Blazers in Memphis Grizzlies kind of hope to achieve, 460 00:32:07,839 --> 00:32:13,279 whereby being so consistently good, not necessarily consistently great, that you just 461 00:32:13,359 --> 00:32:17,240 hope that everything clicks for that one season and it's magical. I'm looking at 462 00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:21,079 their title seasons specifically, I wonder how much that has to do with the 463 00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:24,680 restraint that they carry themselves with when looking at how quiet Leonard was playing, 464 00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:29,119 and even they dealt with some injuries that year. But yeah, if you 465 00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:31,079 put the Blazers in the Eastern Conference, like maybe they have a similar arc 466 00:32:31,119 --> 00:32:36,200 that the Blazers did. I would still argue that last year's thrount a Raptors 467 00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:37,920 team, which is a better version than anything we've seen from the Blazers in 468 00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:43,119 the past decade, regardless of the conference you're in. Totally agreed. Was 469 00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:46,519 there any teams that really stood out like to you, like going since this 470 00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:50,720 wasn't something that necessarily required your you know, I made funny at the beginning, 471 00:32:50,759 --> 00:32:54,200 but this was not surely subjective. Was there anything that was surprising or 472 00:32:54,240 --> 00:33:05,240 even disappointing to you? Maybe that the Jazz weren't a little higher, just 473 00:33:05,279 --> 00:33:10,119 since they've been so consistently good over the last half decade, But no, 474 00:33:10,279 --> 00:33:16,319 I mean it really with the exception of like those minor discrepancies, now it 475 00:33:16,359 --> 00:33:20,640 was it was fun to look back at the rankings and be like, wow, 476 00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:22,839 like the Bulls are twelfth, how did that happen? Oh? Yeah, 477 00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:27,920 like we get to include the Derek Rose MVP season and the peak joke 478 00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:30,880 of Noah year, and like that team was really good, and it was 479 00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:35,960 nice just to like give credit to those those organizations that were so successful at 480 00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:38,200 the beginning of this past decade, in addition to the most recent ones. 481 00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:43,559 But I think I think the Suns remain my biggest surprise where I was, 482 00:33:43,839 --> 00:33:45,200 you know, I was originally going through them, and you know, just 483 00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:50,440 to to increase the enjoyment for myself as I do this, I tend to 484 00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:53,279 scroll down on my spreadsheets and reveal one at a time as I'm working through 485 00:33:53,279 --> 00:33:57,160 this and like formulating the Twitter threads and stuff. So I was like, 486 00:33:57,200 --> 00:33:59,640 when are the Sun's going to show up? Because I hadn't seen the results 487 00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:01,400 until I got to them at twenty six and I was like, wow, 488 00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:06,720 like that that was just not expected at all. But I do I ultimately, 489 00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:09,599 I hope that this was something that people enjoyed and brought back either good 490 00:34:09,639 --> 00:34:14,400 or bad memories. And I'm considering trying to do something similar for all of 491 00:34:14,519 --> 00:34:17,000 NBA history, since I have that data already and it might just be interesting 492 00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:21,400 to see, if you know, using this exact same methodology, Are the 493 00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:23,719 Lakers number one? Are the Boston Celtics number one? Because we're going to 494 00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:29,000 give even weight to the Bill Russell led teams that we're winning even when the 495 00:34:29,079 --> 00:34:30,880 NBA had fewer than a dozen teams in it, as we are to the 496 00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:36,400 most recent ones. You can check out the entire rankings threat. It's pinned 497 00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:40,159 to NBA Maths Twitter profile at NBA underscore math. If you're not following us 498 00:34:40,199 --> 00:34:44,920 already, wtf remedy that right now? Let us know if you have any 499 00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:47,480 qualms or anything with the top ten. This was a briefer podcast. It's 500 00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:52,079 a nice little break from our team Look Aheads talk a little bit about the 501 00:34:52,119 --> 00:34:53,920 start of the season where that news is still just probably going to be volving. 502 00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:59,119 As after we published this, we'll get back to our team Look Aheads. 503 00:34:59,159 --> 00:35:00,920 We promise if we as we try and squeeze in, we'll finish. 504 00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:05,159 We have our decade rankings per team two thirds of the way done. That 505 00:35:05,199 --> 00:35:08,119 series is not dead. We were just waiting for the meat and Potatoes of 506 00:35:08,159 --> 00:35:10,679 the off season to finish it. We just might not have a meat and 507 00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:15,079 Potatoes of the off season. It doesn't seem like there's gonna to be any 508 00:35:15,119 --> 00:35:17,480 downtime, but rest as short, we shall figure it out. 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