1 00:00:25,600 --> 00:00:29,440 Hello, and welcome to the show. I'm Martin Willis your host, and 2 00:00:29,640 --> 00:00:33,359 we have a great show for you this evening. I met the gentleman that 3 00:00:33,640 --> 00:00:38,280 is our guest tonight several years ago, and while I met him, I 4 00:00:38,399 --> 00:00:44,479 ran into Alejandro Rojas for the first time, and he'll be coming up with 5 00:00:44,520 --> 00:00:50,200 the UFO updates first before our guests. I do want to thank everyone that 6 00:00:50,520 --> 00:00:54,479 helps out with the show, and I also want to thank everyone that supports 7 00:00:54,520 --> 00:00:59,039 the show, and anyone can do that. That's either on Patreon or you 8 00:00:59,079 --> 00:01:03,480 can go to our website podcast UFO dot com. Over there at our website. 9 00:01:03,480 --> 00:01:07,920 We have a new blog up again this week. This one's called UFO 10 00:01:08,480 --> 00:01:15,920 I'm Sorry nine one. UFO Part two talks about the Midwestern UFO calls people 11 00:01:15,959 --> 00:01:21,560 were calling into police stations and it's a really good blog. Check that out. 12 00:01:21,560 --> 00:01:26,599 That's by Charles Lear. Peggy helps out with the Facebook page. We 13 00:01:26,640 --> 00:01:30,760 have a new story up there every day of the week, so check that 14 00:01:30,879 --> 00:01:36,439 out at over at Facebook. And I want to thank you all for listening 15 00:01:36,519 --> 00:01:38,920 to the show. You know, just coming up in two weeks, it's 16 00:01:38,920 --> 00:01:42,840 going to be our eighth year anniversary. I can't even believe it, and 17 00:01:42,280 --> 00:01:46,640 I might as well have Alajandro jump in. Now, Alejandro, how are 18 00:01:46,680 --> 00:01:49,280 you good? An? How are you doing good? When did you when 19 00:01:49,359 --> 00:01:55,640 that was twenty thirteen, right when you and I met at I believe that's 20 00:01:55,640 --> 00:02:02,640 when the we met down in um North Carolina. Yeah, that sounds right. 21 00:02:02,719 --> 00:02:07,879 I know Kent well know better, but it sounds right. Yeah. 22 00:02:07,919 --> 00:02:14,439 And that was I think one of the best conferences. I mean, you 23 00:02:14,479 --> 00:02:17,479 know, we go to a lot of conferences, but I loved it because 24 00:02:17,520 --> 00:02:22,599 I thought the lineup was remarkable. Now, Leslie Kane, I know, 25 00:02:22,840 --> 00:02:28,240 got to help him with that, but there was I mean, we got 26 00:02:28,280 --> 00:02:31,360 some really important interviews from that that, you know, or some interviews we 27 00:02:31,360 --> 00:02:37,120 weren't able to get anywhere else. Francois I think his name was, I 28 00:02:37,120 --> 00:02:40,800 can't remember the right now, the guy who was running Jay pon the UFR 29 00:02:40,960 --> 00:02:45,800 program in France at the time, General de Brauer, who was the guy 30 00:02:45,840 --> 00:02:51,599 who investigated the triangles in the nineteen nineties. Those were a couple of big 31 00:02:51,639 --> 00:02:57,879 ones. We've interviewed him several times. But the international representative of Sea Chili's 32 00:02:58,319 --> 00:03:04,039 official UFO OR organization was there, and another number of other really important people. 33 00:03:04,120 --> 00:03:07,919 That was a remarkable conference. And yeah, that's where you and I 34 00:03:07,000 --> 00:03:10,400 met because there weren't many people, uh there there were, you know, 35 00:03:10,639 --> 00:03:14,719 compared to you some of the other really large winters, quite a few for 36 00:03:15,000 --> 00:03:19,680 the space. But you and I were there, and that was a ton 37 00:03:19,719 --> 00:03:23,560 of fun getting to know you, and hey, look what happened. That's 38 00:03:23,639 --> 00:03:28,000 right, that's right. Yeah, I remember. I remember trying to pronounce 39 00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:31,400 your first name. I had trouble with your name, and uh yeah, 40 00:03:31,400 --> 00:03:36,280 I think I remember that we spent some time there trying to trying to crane 41 00:03:36,280 --> 00:03:39,039 you had to say my name, that's right. But yeah, there was 42 00:03:39,080 --> 00:03:42,439 a lot of great people there. I met Randy Nickerson, I remember, 43 00:03:42,639 --> 00:03:46,919 that's the first time I met him. And Leslie Kane of course, and 44 00:03:47,159 --> 00:03:52,719 Charles Halt. Although it was just it was a wonderful time, really really 45 00:03:52,759 --> 00:03:57,800 fun. Yep, it was great. And so what is going on with 46 00:03:57,840 --> 00:04:03,000 you with me or UFO news? Well, I don't know if you want 47 00:04:03,000 --> 00:04:08,439 to talk about you. Everyone knows that you were moving last and moving out 48 00:04:08,479 --> 00:04:11,639 of your house and you had to hurry so you couldn't be there last week. 49 00:04:11,680 --> 00:04:15,199 So you're just a busy guy. Yep. Been crazy busy, but 50 00:04:16,600 --> 00:04:19,120 it's been a lot of good stuff, exciting stuff. Of course, I 51 00:04:19,120 --> 00:04:23,519 didn't have a show this week, as any of your list mine listeners who 52 00:04:23,519 --> 00:04:26,160 we listen to hear a show, which is quite a few, will know, 53 00:04:26,319 --> 00:04:30,040 so I apologize for that. But I'll have a week show up next 54 00:04:30,079 --> 00:04:31,319 week. Of course, I'm here with you, and then I'm gonna be 55 00:04:31,399 --> 00:04:35,240 talking with Lee Spiegel tomorrow on his show, so that will be a lot 56 00:04:35,279 --> 00:04:42,160 of fun. Otherwise, I guess new a couple of new things, and 57 00:04:42,199 --> 00:04:44,360 this is kind of funny. I was thinking of this just now, and 58 00:04:44,360 --> 00:04:46,240 I would love to hear your thoughts. And I don't know, maybe I 59 00:04:46,319 --> 00:04:49,040 talk about this too much, but I'm not the only one talking about this 60 00:04:49,079 --> 00:04:53,079 stuff. I was just about to talk about this, you know. One 61 00:04:53,120 --> 00:04:56,759 of the few stories that have been out and actually the last week, which 62 00:04:56,800 --> 00:05:00,800 is this New York Times article about Tom DeLong, and it features an interview 63 00:05:00,879 --> 00:05:06,480 not just with Tom DeLong but also with Louise Elizondo. So this is a 64 00:05:06,519 --> 00:05:10,639 big deal. It's New York Times. Tom DeLong, of course, is 65 00:05:10,680 --> 00:05:15,600 the rock star who used to work or play with Lincoln Two. Now he's 66 00:05:15,639 --> 00:05:21,079 touring actually right now with his band Angels and Airwaves and Louise Elazando used to 67 00:05:21,120 --> 00:05:25,959 run the Pentagon program. And I don't know why, and I shouldn't feel 68 00:05:25,959 --> 00:05:30,759 this way, and it's kind of it's bad. It doesn't say much for 69 00:05:30,319 --> 00:05:34,879 UFO research. I kind of tweeted about it yesterday, but I almost, 70 00:05:34,920 --> 00:05:41,680 for some reason, feel a little self conscious about saying positive things about Tom 71 00:05:42,079 --> 00:05:46,199 and lou And I shouldn't feel that way. I mean, there's no reason 72 00:05:46,399 --> 00:05:49,040 to feel that way. It's just there's so many haters out there that you 73 00:05:49,040 --> 00:05:54,079 know, I know, and I think it's maybe almost like PTSD. I 74 00:05:54,199 --> 00:05:58,360 prepare shell shock. I prepare myself, you know, for this barrage of 75 00:05:58,439 --> 00:06:02,560 negativity, you know, just saying something positive about these guys. Yeah, 76 00:06:03,079 --> 00:06:10,160 you know, someone sent me just a tweet or something yesterday that you're a 77 00:06:10,160 --> 00:06:15,160 little bit of a battle, and yeah, I get that. I see 78 00:06:15,199 --> 00:06:19,360 that happening. So yeah, I mean I don't and it's not at my 79 00:06:19,600 --> 00:06:21,839 end. And that's what I was writing about. You know, people keep 80 00:06:21,879 --> 00:06:27,920 saying, you know, as if people are choosing sides or like, you 81 00:06:27,959 --> 00:06:31,240 know, everything's about who won this side or that side, and most of 82 00:06:31,319 --> 00:06:34,759 us don't feel like we're on a side. I'm not on any side at 83 00:06:34,800 --> 00:06:40,399 all. I'm covering news and information. You know, you have this rock 84 00:06:40,439 --> 00:06:43,959 star, started this great organization that's getting a lot of news out, that's 85 00:06:43,959 --> 00:06:48,120 been literally instrumental in getting the Navy. And really, if this wouldn't have 86 00:06:48,160 --> 00:06:53,319 happened, the Navy probably wouldn't have come out, they wouldn't have talked about 87 00:06:53,399 --> 00:06:57,639 UFOs at all like they have in the last few months. And that's also 88 00:06:57,959 --> 00:07:03,279 you know, Tom Delung provided the space and luckily, you know, things 89 00:07:03,319 --> 00:07:08,800 worked out where Luilsanda was able to come out from working at the Pentagon and 90 00:07:08,839 --> 00:07:13,279 work with Tom and have this space with other professionals to do some of the 91 00:07:13,319 --> 00:07:16,519 extraordinary work that they're doing. But what they're doing is really important. And 92 00:07:16,759 --> 00:07:23,399 I don't understand why, you know, the hate, especially you know, 93 00:07:23,439 --> 00:07:27,959 why we need to or so many some feel that we need to kind of 94 00:07:28,600 --> 00:07:31,439 what feels like to me, just you know, blindly hate these people and 95 00:07:31,519 --> 00:07:35,040 assume that they're up to something negative. And you know, we've seen this 96 00:07:35,240 --> 00:07:40,879 trend. This happened to Bob Bigelow, you know, a billionaire who came 97 00:07:40,920 --> 00:07:44,079 into the field. I think it happens with a lot of people who have 98 00:07:44,879 --> 00:07:48,600 are prominent or have money, and it's an interesting thing. I'd still like 99 00:07:48,680 --> 00:07:51,399 to break that down and try to figure out, you know, what it 100 00:07:51,480 --> 00:07:57,560 is. Maybe it's just the innate, you know, kind of skepticism or 101 00:07:58,319 --> 00:08:03,160 cynicism of people who are interested in this topic. But I think there's also 102 00:08:03,240 --> 00:08:07,600 the silent masses that the many, many people out there who are interested, 103 00:08:07,959 --> 00:08:13,000 who listen to our shows, for example, and they want information and they 104 00:08:13,040 --> 00:08:16,800 want news, and they don't really have a horse in the race either, 105 00:08:16,959 --> 00:08:20,920 except that they're excited to hear more about the topic and more credible information about 106 00:08:20,920 --> 00:08:24,639 the topic. And I think to learn more about the topic, and that's 107 00:08:24,680 --> 00:08:30,920 what I believe that Tom and Lou are facilitating. And you know, when 108 00:08:30,959 --> 00:08:33,799 you look at this New York Times article, and this is my whole point, 109 00:08:33,840 --> 00:08:37,279 it's a great article. It's very good. I think that the answers 110 00:08:37,320 --> 00:08:41,879 at Tom and Lou Gabe were very good. They were grounded, They were 111 00:08:41,919 --> 00:08:46,840 careful to say, especially Lou, we don't know what you know is going 112 00:08:46,879 --> 00:08:50,200 on out there. We just know that there's a phenomena and we're investigating it. 113 00:08:50,600 --> 00:08:54,679 Some of the headlines due to this New York Times article are things such 114 00:08:54,720 --> 00:09:00,480 as this this is from Science Alert. Alien research groups started by when any 115 00:09:00,519 --> 00:09:05,120 two singer says it's found exotic UFO material, and that's a more accurate way 116 00:09:05,200 --> 00:09:09,240 to put it. Others have said, you know, they found material from 117 00:09:09,320 --> 00:09:13,080 UFOs, or they found alien material, or some of these other things that 118 00:09:13,159 --> 00:09:18,679 just go very much too far, where Lou was very careful to say these 119 00:09:18,720 --> 00:09:24,600 are unknown, And hopefully the writer of the headline that I just read understands 120 00:09:24,600 --> 00:09:30,399 that UFO means unknown, and in that sense it's accurate because they, like 121 00:09:30,519 --> 00:09:33,960 Lu said, we're following the data and we'll see where the data takes us. 122 00:09:33,000 --> 00:09:37,159 But so far, you know, there's reasons for us to think that 123 00:09:37,240 --> 00:09:41,360 this material that we have is interesting. So it's a great article. I 124 00:09:41,399 --> 00:09:45,559 think that demonstrates there is serious research going on in this field, that there 125 00:09:45,600 --> 00:09:50,440 are credible people who take this mystery seriously, and that there's investigation and research 126 00:09:50,519 --> 00:09:54,200 going on to try to figure it all out. And for that reason, 127 00:09:54,559 --> 00:09:58,759 and one other thing to note, I think about this New York Times article. 128 00:09:58,039 --> 00:10:03,240 It's not written by the same people who wrote the really groundbreaking article that 129 00:10:05,200 --> 00:10:07,639 really broke things open, and in fact, out of those three people who 130 00:10:07,720 --> 00:10:13,840 wrote that original article, in December twenty seventeen, Ralph Bloomenthal and Leslie Kane 131 00:10:13,840 --> 00:10:18,039 and Helene Cooper. Two of those people, Bloomenthal and Kane. Kane, 132 00:10:18,039 --> 00:10:22,679 of course, who were referred to it, helped out this North Carolina conference 133 00:10:22,720 --> 00:10:26,639 you guys will be talking about. But they're very familiar with the UFO phenomena 134 00:10:26,679 --> 00:10:31,720 and have written about the UFO phenomena. As far as I know, I 135 00:10:31,759 --> 00:10:35,360 don't know that this this gentleman who wrote this New York Times article, Derek 136 00:10:35,480 --> 00:10:39,360 Bryson Taylor, this new one that just came out. I think it came 137 00:10:39,399 --> 00:10:43,159 out, like, you know, just like a few couple days ago. 138 00:10:43,960 --> 00:10:48,320 He is someone who doesn't, you know, isn't familiar with UFOs and the 139 00:10:48,399 --> 00:10:50,639 UFO phenomena. And it's interesting that, you know, he took such a 140 00:10:50,679 --> 00:10:56,799 straight forward take on this article to report. And I think that's another important 141 00:10:56,799 --> 00:11:01,120 thing that's going on here, is that mainstream journalists are feeling more comfortable to 142 00:11:01,200 --> 00:11:05,080 do that. I've been hanging out with Brian Bender quite a bit. He 143 00:11:05,120 --> 00:11:07,879 writes for Politico. He's a defense and space editor, which is a pretty 144 00:11:07,919 --> 00:11:13,679 big dealt This guy hobnobs and hangs out in Washington, DC, He hobnobs 145 00:11:13,720 --> 00:11:18,440 with generals and secretaries of this and secretaries of that, and you know, 146 00:11:18,559 --> 00:11:22,440 all of the main shakers, movers and players, politicians, and you know, 147 00:11:22,519 --> 00:11:28,840 he doesn't really care about the UFO community or what the UFO people want. 148 00:11:30,080 --> 00:11:33,000 He's just trying to write stories like this this gentleman in the New York 149 00:11:33,039 --> 00:11:37,480 Times, and they're finding it, you know, very interesting, all of 150 00:11:37,519 --> 00:11:41,840 this credible stuff coming out. Unfortunately, not to put words in Bender's mouth, 151 00:11:41,879 --> 00:11:45,559 but he's also struggled, you know, with what In fact, that's 152 00:11:45,559 --> 00:11:48,559 how we connected, in that we were being lumped together and attacked as people 153 00:11:48,600 --> 00:11:52,159 who are promoting to the stars, and we're just big bands of theirs and 154 00:11:52,200 --> 00:11:58,720 we're doing whatever they say. Brian Bender could really care less. To the 155 00:11:58,759 --> 00:12:01,759 stars people are very low on the totem pole compared to the people he usually 156 00:12:01,799 --> 00:12:05,759 deals with. He just, being someone who writes about defense in space, 157 00:12:07,240 --> 00:12:11,799 finds a story very interesting, and he finds all of this credible information very 158 00:12:11,840 --> 00:12:16,000 interesting. In my opinion, these journalists are being good journalists and doing their 159 00:12:16,120 --> 00:12:18,279 job, which is a little bit different than we've seen in the past, 160 00:12:18,360 --> 00:12:24,360 and the topic hasn't been taken seriously, so just because journalists are taking these 161 00:12:24,399 --> 00:12:31,200 things seriously and they're finding you know, DeLong and Elizando to be credible. 162 00:12:31,200 --> 00:12:35,480 I don't know why we need to attack these people and assume that they're they're 163 00:12:35,559 --> 00:12:39,600 terrible or bad or anything like that. So we don't know. It's it's 164 00:12:39,679 --> 00:12:43,440 kind of an interesting dynamic we find ourselves in. On the one hand, 165 00:12:43,080 --> 00:12:46,799 we have you know, incredible articles like this New York Times one that just 166 00:12:46,960 --> 00:12:54,799 came out that is taking that the topic seriously and examining it in a grounded, 167 00:12:56,039 --> 00:13:00,279 you know, unbiased way, and then we have the reaction from many 168 00:13:00,279 --> 00:13:05,440 in the UFO community, which is just extremely negative, which is counterintuitive. 169 00:13:05,080 --> 00:13:09,279 Well, I think, you know, my kind of my sideline take on 170 00:13:09,480 --> 00:13:13,279 this whole thing is that you know, there are there are a couple of 171 00:13:13,320 --> 00:13:18,320 discrepancies when it comes to the forms and you know, the releasing of the 172 00:13:18,440 --> 00:13:22,480 videos and stuff like that, and so I think people are just assuming, 173 00:13:22,519 --> 00:13:26,080 you know, here we go again, this is another just info you know 174 00:13:26,200 --> 00:13:30,960 project, and you know they're there. I don't know that they're kind of 175 00:13:31,000 --> 00:13:35,240 seeing the whole picture as that this what is what must be happening, because 176 00:13:35,600 --> 00:13:39,840 um, you know, not everything's exactly as um, it should be or 177 00:13:41,279 --> 00:13:45,320 claimed to be or something like that. You know, I'm thinking that's kind 178 00:13:45,320 --> 00:13:48,919 of what's going on with the with the whole divide. There's definitely a divide 179 00:13:48,960 --> 00:13:52,320 for sure. Yeah, but I mean, I'm sorry, but those are 180 00:13:52,600 --> 00:13:56,440 poor arguments, to be honest, um, and I think that they're they're 181 00:13:56,480 --> 00:14:01,480 definitely spin um by people who by that negative side. I think there's no 182 00:14:01,519 --> 00:14:07,039 doubt you can look at my driver's license probably and point out, hey, 183 00:14:07,120 --> 00:14:11,519 what's with this? Why is this this way? This to me seems like 184 00:14:11,559 --> 00:14:15,639 there's some deception going on. I mean, it's you can find and nitpick 185 00:14:15,759 --> 00:14:20,200 any document or or anything. I mean, it's the level of you know, 186 00:14:20,279 --> 00:14:24,360 how much of a red flag these different types of items are. And 187 00:14:24,399 --> 00:14:28,159 it's not just me. I think I'm covering more of those discrepancies in detail 188 00:14:28,279 --> 00:14:35,639 than than most then at least than the mainstream journalism. And and that's because 189 00:14:35,720 --> 00:14:41,159 you know, I, like other researchers are into the details and we are 190 00:14:41,200 --> 00:14:46,559 looking for, you know, red flags. But I think one indicator that 191 00:14:46,639 --> 00:14:50,279 these red flags are just not a big deal is when you don't have the 192 00:14:50,320 --> 00:14:54,799 New York Times or Politico finding any concern um, you know, I ask 193 00:14:54,879 --> 00:15:00,720 Brian Bender about these issues and others, and they just don't find them a 194 00:15:00,759 --> 00:15:05,320 big deal at all. They see this as par for the course and typical 195 00:15:05,679 --> 00:15:11,440 when you're dealing with the government. You know, they're gonna there's not going 196 00:15:11,480 --> 00:15:16,200 to be consistencies across every department, depending on you know, who filled out 197 00:15:16,200 --> 00:15:22,240 what form or what department that form was filled out by. However, the 198 00:15:22,279 --> 00:15:26,519 bigger picture is, you know, are these large claims substantiated, And that's 199 00:15:26,519 --> 00:15:31,720 what they're looking for. And some of these big claims have been substantiated, 200 00:15:31,759 --> 00:15:37,519 of course by other witnesses, keep witnesses such as Kevin Day with the nimits 201 00:15:37,639 --> 00:15:41,720 or David Fraber the pilot with nimits, and many others that you know, 202 00:15:41,759 --> 00:15:46,480 you had many of these witnesses on the show, so that information is corroborated. 203 00:15:46,720 --> 00:15:48,759 So then it comes down to some of this other information, and as 204 00:15:48,799 --> 00:15:54,039 time has gone on, many of those big points such as, you know, 205 00:15:54,120 --> 00:16:00,000 were these Navy these videos really released from the Navy, Were these videos 206 00:16:00,120 --> 00:16:06,159 really showing what the Navy felt were unidentified uh, you know, aerial phenomena 207 00:16:06,320 --> 00:16:11,440 UAPs or UFOs, you know, did a tip the Pentagon program really look 208 00:16:11,480 --> 00:16:15,279 into UFOs. These were the things people were questioning. All of these things 209 00:16:15,320 --> 00:16:22,279 have been verified, substantiated and verified by insiders, not just by independent sources 210 00:16:22,360 --> 00:16:27,440 that the journalists have gotten. New York Times had an abundance of independent sources 211 00:16:27,799 --> 00:16:32,399 they use when they wrote the original article to vet this information in the first 212 00:16:32,440 --> 00:16:37,840 place. But since then we've had many documents come out, mostly from George 213 00:16:37,919 --> 00:16:44,200 Knapp, but then substantiated by the government is real demonstrating all these other aspects 214 00:16:44,279 --> 00:16:48,879 were also accurate. So these big, large things have all been uh, 215 00:16:48,159 --> 00:16:55,840 you know, noted as accurate, and the little things are or just like 216 00:16:55,840 --> 00:17:00,440 like I said, they're they're perfect. The course, anybody research government documents 217 00:17:00,440 --> 00:17:04,440 in this field, you know, when you see or government documents, especially 218 00:17:04,440 --> 00:17:07,880 military or documents at all, you can see some that are very well done, 219 00:17:07,880 --> 00:17:11,559 but you can see the vast majority that are very sloppy. People cutting 220 00:17:11,559 --> 00:17:17,559 corners and not filling out all fields, those sort of things. You know 221 00:17:17,680 --> 00:17:23,759 that happens. So there's human error involved with all of this and so you 222 00:17:23,839 --> 00:17:30,880 know finding them. So those are certainly things to look at and pay attention 223 00:17:30,920 --> 00:17:37,599 to, but they're not you know, big picture, big red flags that 224 00:17:37,960 --> 00:17:44,160 should inspire the sort of negativity and hatred that it seems to inspire, and 225 00:17:44,640 --> 00:17:49,680 a lot of very using a term from stand very loud, noisy negative out 226 00:17:49,720 --> 00:17:55,079 there. Yeah yeah, okay, well, speaking of the nimits, you 227 00:17:55,079 --> 00:17:57,880 know, witnesses next week, just to let everyone know, we have Kevin 228 00:17:57,960 --> 00:18:03,039 Day and Gary Voor, both witnesses are going to be on the show then. 229 00:18:03,519 --> 00:18:04,680 But thank you so much, Ali Hunter. We went a little bit 230 00:18:04,680 --> 00:18:08,920 over time, but that's fine, and thanks so much, and we'll be 231 00:18:08,960 --> 00:18:12,200 talking to you next week. I hope you have your move continues to work 232 00:18:12,200 --> 00:18:15,920 out well for you. Thank you very much, all and yeah, I'll 233 00:18:15,960 --> 00:18:21,640 be an alien conn this weekend. And yeah, I'm actually in Arizona now, 234 00:18:21,680 --> 00:18:26,240 but yes, and otherwise the move's been going well, great, excellent. 235 00:18:26,359 --> 00:18:27,920 All right, I'll talk to you next week, zem all right, 236 00:18:27,960 --> 00:18:34,279 see you later, Okay. Our guest tonight, we have Kent Center. 237 00:18:36,039 --> 00:18:40,720 I met him I think it was twenty thirteen in North Carolina. He is 238 00:18:40,759 --> 00:18:47,119 a seasoned, long time UFO researcher. He was raised in Northern Virginia. 239 00:18:47,759 --> 00:18:55,519 He has he's been involved with Mouffon from an early time and so I'm really 240 00:18:55,519 --> 00:18:57,359 excited to have him on he's a fine gentleman. Welcome to the show, 241 00:18:59,039 --> 00:19:02,279 Kent. How are you. Thank you, Martin, thanks so much for 242 00:19:02,359 --> 00:19:04,839 having me. Yes, we met. I was very happy to meet you 243 00:19:06,279 --> 00:19:08,920 way back. Um was it twenty thirteen? I keep throwing that number. 244 00:19:10,119 --> 00:19:14,920 Yeah it was. It was in June twenty thirteen. Uh So when we 245 00:19:14,960 --> 00:19:19,319 held the conference, uh uh huh we had like like Alejandra said, it 246 00:19:19,359 --> 00:19:25,599 was a great list of speakers. I got together with Leslie uh kine and 247 00:19:25,680 --> 00:19:33,119 she uh got Jose Lay from r CEFA in Chile. Yea, it was 248 00:19:33,160 --> 00:19:38,960 a Xavier Passo was who uh Alejandro was thinking about. It was Xavier Passo 249 00:19:40,079 --> 00:19:48,359 from japon in France. Had the astrophysics at Jeffrey Bennett. Uh that he 250 00:19:48,440 --> 00:19:52,119 wrote all those Mexico's to Mars books for all the school children the shuttle astronauts 251 00:19:52,200 --> 00:19:59,599 to read them. And and I had doctor Westrom came and uh, I'm 252 00:19:59,640 --> 00:20:03,559 trying to think right now who he had, Colonel Halt and General Dubrauer. 253 00:20:03,279 --> 00:20:08,039 Leslie spoke, I had Nancy Talbot come from BLT research about the crops circles, 254 00:20:08,920 --> 00:20:15,599 and doctor went, uh, we're my mainly list of speakers. And 255 00:20:15,799 --> 00:20:21,720 uh we tried to get the Iranian UH general uh Pafari Uh. I can't 256 00:20:21,759 --> 00:20:23,799 remember his last name, but he was coming out of Canada, but they 257 00:20:23,799 --> 00:20:27,480 would not give him a visa to come down and speak, so I messed 258 00:20:27,480 --> 00:20:32,559 out on him. Yes, I remember hearing about that. Well, yeah, 259 00:20:32,759 --> 00:20:37,400 that was a fantastic Yeah. They had doctor Haynes in uh NARCAP Uh. 260 00:20:37,799 --> 00:20:42,240 That's right, they did. Uh. Actually after the seminar UH, 261 00:20:42,519 --> 00:20:51,240 Chile and France UH did an international agreement of cooperation to study this phenomenon uh 262 00:20:51,440 --> 00:20:56,839 once they met at my conference, and then doctor Haynes with NARCAP also his 263 00:20:56,960 --> 00:21:02,200 group signed in to that. To that cause. I was kind of proud 264 00:21:02,240 --> 00:21:06,799 of that that came about. So yeah, it was kind kind of a 265 00:21:06,920 --> 00:21:11,839 historic situation in general, you know, with all those with all those people 266 00:21:11,880 --> 00:21:15,160 there. Um yeah, I met so many different people there actually, now 267 00:21:15,160 --> 00:21:18,680 that I think about it. And that was early on for me because my 268 00:21:18,720 --> 00:21:22,880 show was only a few years old. So can you tell Randall? Yeah, 269 00:21:23,559 --> 00:21:27,680 Randall, yeah, yeah, that's right. Yeah, he was on 270 00:21:27,839 --> 00:21:30,480 my show a couple of weeks ago, and that's that's how you and I 271 00:21:30,480 --> 00:21:37,640 got in touch, right right right. I've you know Randall after the the 272 00:21:37,640 --> 00:21:41,319 the meeting, and he wasn't one of our speakers, but he came down 273 00:21:41,400 --> 00:21:45,680 there to film and and UH interviewed me. And then during the interview process 274 00:21:47,640 --> 00:21:52,440 um based on some experiences I've had, I was interested, always interested in 275 00:21:52,799 --> 00:22:02,200 this Charles Salt story out in Nevada. UM and he wrote The Millennial I 276 00:22:02,200 --> 00:22:06,079 can't remember the name of it, but he wrote these books about this contact 277 00:22:06,119 --> 00:22:14,759 with these beings out in Nevada off dog Bone Lake and h and any I 278 00:22:14,759 --> 00:22:17,759 can't remember the name of the base. It's right outside of Las Vegas. 279 00:22:18,240 --> 00:22:23,039 That's where they do the h have the drones. But anyhow, he spoke 280 00:22:23,079 --> 00:22:29,039 about these beings up there, these tall whites. And so I was talking 281 00:22:29,079 --> 00:22:33,119 to Randall and I said, do you meaning right off dog Bone Lake? 282 00:22:33,119 --> 00:22:37,119 Because he was out there and he filmed the sighting. And he said, 283 00:22:37,559 --> 00:22:41,200 Who's Who's Charles Hall. He didn't even know who Charles Hall was, And 284 00:22:41,720 --> 00:22:44,559 so I explained to him, and the UH he said, you want to 285 00:22:44,559 --> 00:22:47,240 come up in my room and see this film that I filmed, And so 286 00:22:47,440 --> 00:22:52,279 my wife and I went upstairs and just a remarkable film of these just the 287 00:22:52,400 --> 00:22:56,920 glowing objects, but they moved so fast. His his view was like a 288 00:22:57,000 --> 00:23:03,359 twenty seven mile range of the mountains from where Area fifty one was all the 289 00:23:03,400 --> 00:23:07,759 way down to Dogbone Lake, and these things just zipped across the sky and 290 00:23:07,839 --> 00:23:11,799 stopped on a diamond, went down into those mountains, and then came back 291 00:23:11,880 --> 00:23:18,799 up. We're flying around and it just really struck me because mufun had done 292 00:23:18,799 --> 00:23:26,279 an article about a pilot and flying i think from Saint Louis to San Francisco, 293 00:23:26,359 --> 00:23:30,200 and as they got close to that area, they were asked to veer 294 00:23:30,279 --> 00:23:33,759 north. There was incoming traffic, so they had to divert around Area fifty 295 00:23:33,799 --> 00:23:41,720 one. And he explained that he had these sightings of these like thirty of 296 00:23:41,720 --> 00:23:45,240 these objects come in and where Area fifty one was, he said, that's 297 00:23:45,359 --> 00:23:51,480 like this big holographic crosshairs came up. It was like a mile high, 298 00:23:51,599 --> 00:23:56,960 and these these craft were just zipping in through down through these crosshairs into the 299 00:23:56,000 --> 00:24:03,680 Area fifty one, one after another, just at incredible speeds, and um, 300 00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:07,759 this kind of looked like what Randall film kind of looked, you know, 301 00:24:07,839 --> 00:24:11,039 apparently what this guy Polt had described during one of his flights. But 302 00:24:11,079 --> 00:24:15,920 it was really really interesting. But it's so much occurred. You know what 303 00:24:17,359 --> 00:24:22,400 happened was I got cancer. I've got the multiple milana. And I decided 304 00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:26,000 after all my sightings and everything, because I mainly had stayed quiet about it, 305 00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:30,839 you know, for for just pretty much most of my life, and 306 00:24:32,279 --> 00:24:36,119 I wanted to come out with what I knew and things I've heard and what 307 00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:41,319 I've experienced, no one of my my children, to to to understand what 308 00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:45,640 my views on it were and to to know a little bit more about me. 309 00:24:45,839 --> 00:24:49,880 And so I decided to hold this conference. And when I did, 310 00:24:51,079 --> 00:24:55,319 so many things have occurred that uh. For instance, one of my sightings 311 00:24:55,440 --> 00:25:00,519 was down in Lumberton. Uh. With this, this apparent like a B 312 00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:06,920 shape craft, but it Leslie asked me to interview, and I think I 313 00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:10,839 heard Alejandro say, you're gonna have Lee Spiegel on next week or your next 314 00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:15,599 show. Well, she had asked me to interview with Lee Spiegel because he 315 00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:19,440 was writing for the Humpt Post. So he asked me what got my interest 316 00:25:19,519 --> 00:25:23,240 into it? So I started going back through my sightings that I had and 317 00:25:23,359 --> 00:25:26,519 the one was down in Lumberton, and I started explained to about you know, 318 00:25:26,519 --> 00:25:32,039 I was driving Down's road and saw the sheriff's car and police car and 319 00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:34,359 guys standing out in the field. You know, when I saw this thing, 320 00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:40,960 basically was gliding off in the distance. It's like a reddish glow to 321 00:25:41,039 --> 00:25:45,480 it, and it was gliding over the tree tops going away. So then 322 00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:51,359 I took off after this thing and I couldn't catch it, and he said, 323 00:25:51,559 --> 00:25:52,279 he stopped me, and he goes, Kenny, He goes, do 324 00:25:52,279 --> 00:25:56,079 you know who I am? I said no, I said, I'm standing 325 00:25:56,079 --> 00:26:00,160 to the writer from helping him post. And that's when Lee explained to me 326 00:26:00,279 --> 00:26:06,680 he's he organized at un meeting back in the sixties, I believe with had 327 00:26:06,759 --> 00:26:12,839 Cooper there and I do believe seventy eight and seventy Yeah, okay, so 328 00:26:14,039 --> 00:26:18,640 he organized that meeting. And then he goes and explains, he just can't 329 00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:22,079 want to tell you something. The guys you saw standing out in the field, 330 00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:26,839 that was me And I said, what. He goes, that was 331 00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:33,160 me out in the field. He said, I was investigating for UH Jail 332 00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:37,359 and Heineck group, UH the Qucos And he said, he asked me to 333 00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:42,319 come down to Lumberton investigate that sightings that they were having down there at the 334 00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:47,559 time. And here's the man, that's right, you know. And so 335 00:26:48,039 --> 00:26:52,559 you know, there's family members that I told about my sighting and uh, 336 00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:56,559 a couple of my sightings. Actually it was it was all I had did 337 00:26:56,559 --> 00:27:03,720 a podcast with Tim Beckling. We talked about this synchronicity. Now it's so 338 00:27:03,839 --> 00:27:07,640 strange, but all of a sudden, when I held this conference in twenty 339 00:27:07,839 --> 00:27:11,039 thirteen, my wife who from two thousand and one, and I told her 340 00:27:11,079 --> 00:27:19,119 all my stories and you know, my childhood sightings, and so here I 341 00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:23,279 meet the guy that was standing out in the field, you know. And 342 00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:27,559 she was shocked when she heard that because she remember me telling the story. 343 00:27:27,759 --> 00:27:30,599 And here I got to meet the guy that was standing out in the field 344 00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:37,839 of deciding that I had. And then I didn't want to jump around too 345 00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:40,000 much. I was trying to take it in order. I had a sightings 346 00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:45,960 when I was nine and when I was fourteen years old in Northern Virginia. 347 00:27:47,079 --> 00:27:51,599 It really startled me. But one of the things about it is my best 348 00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:59,400 friend's father was deputy director for FAA and he was a he was a major 349 00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:06,359 in the air for US and he flew under Curtis LeMay and I knew when 350 00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:08,720 I saw they had this sighting. I was over to this house and he's 351 00:28:08,759 --> 00:28:15,680 the first person I ever asked anything about about UFOs or flying saucers, and 352 00:28:15,759 --> 00:28:19,480 I asked him if they were real, and he turned to me. He 353 00:28:19,519 --> 00:28:22,359 had a strange look on the stace and turned to me and he explains to 354 00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:25,559 me. He says, you know, there was a guy on my outfit 355 00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:30,079 once it walked into a hangar and supposedly I had one of these crutched flying 356 00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:32,880 saucers in that hangar and he wasn't supposed to see it. And he goes, 357 00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:34,680 you know what they did to him? And I said no, and 358 00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:37,880 he goes, they locked him up in the mental hospital for a couple of 359 00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:41,359 years. And I was like, why they do that, and he says, 360 00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:45,839 well, when he gets out and talks, he's gonna believe him. 361 00:28:45,839 --> 00:28:48,960 And I was, you know, so young at the time, and it 362 00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:55,400 terrified me because this was back in when Kennedy was president and you know, 363 00:28:55,480 --> 00:29:02,039 everybody was John Hoe, you know, everybody, all Americans, and you 364 00:29:02,079 --> 00:29:06,279 know, I couldn't believe the government would do something like that. And then 365 00:29:06,319 --> 00:29:08,880 I started thinking in my mind, being a you know, a young kid, 366 00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:12,240 that if I opened my mouth and said what I saw they were going 367 00:29:12,279 --> 00:29:15,279 to put me away, you know, and that that was at such a 368 00:29:15,359 --> 00:29:18,640 young age. It was pretty traumatic for me, you know, so I 369 00:29:18,759 --> 00:29:23,880 never talked about what I saw and until you know, later, like I 370 00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:30,480 said, later in the years when I was married to my wife's and so 371 00:29:30,519 --> 00:29:33,400 anyhow, I had that sighting and then then another sighting that I had, 372 00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:38,240 well, I was sleeping out and number my back porch and this, I'm 373 00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:42,279 gonna say craft. It was an orange disc shape and had a light coming 374 00:29:42,279 --> 00:29:47,440 down and this light it was like a cone shape, but it stopped about 375 00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:52,240 three feet above the ground. And that's what just it shocked me, because 376 00:29:52,319 --> 00:29:56,359 light doesn't stop, you know, and this light just stops about three feet 377 00:29:56,359 --> 00:30:00,920 above the ground. And I got up and went outside the the screen porch 378 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:04,960 into my backyard, and the light was rising back up and it would just 379 00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:08,279 started floating off real quietly. I mean, you couldn't hear a pen drop, 380 00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:12,359 and it just start floating above the trees and was floating away. And 381 00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:15,640 I just remember running down the street after this thing trying to get a better 382 00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:21,000 view of it. But um, wow, those were two sightings when I 383 00:30:21,039 --> 00:30:26,039 was young. I was just it was just it really you know, put 384 00:30:26,039 --> 00:30:27,799 the questions in my mind, what are these things? What's going on? 385 00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:36,880 But huh and uh. So you started the chapter North Carolina chapter of Moffon 386 00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:40,519 though in the in the eighties at some point. So right, Well, 387 00:30:40,519 --> 00:30:45,039 what happened after the Lumberton sighting is I had a personal sighting in Durham around 388 00:30:45,079 --> 00:30:49,119 eighty four. I would say it was eighty four eighty five. And this 389 00:30:49,279 --> 00:30:55,920 was a craft. I mean this kind of like the I would say it 390 00:30:55,960 --> 00:31:00,839 was more like the t Conic Parkway Hudson Valley side. So this was a 391 00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:03,480 craft that came with it had these lights, and this craft was staying. 392 00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:08,119 I had gotten home from work and I was working two full time jobs, 393 00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:14,000 and so I had like an hour in between the shifts that I come home 394 00:31:14,039 --> 00:31:17,720 and eat and change clothes. And I got out of my car if coming 395 00:31:17,759 --> 00:31:22,319 home after my first shift job, and got out of my car and stood 396 00:31:22,319 --> 00:31:23,599 in the driveway. As I was going to the house, I looked up 397 00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:26,759 and this craft was about a quarter mile off in the distance, up in 398 00:31:26,799 --> 00:31:33,039 the sky, just standing perfectly still. And I just remember walking to the 399 00:31:33,119 --> 00:31:36,640 end of the sidewalk and lining it up against a tree, just to see 400 00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:38,839 if this thing had any movement at all, these lights and they didn't. 401 00:31:40,799 --> 00:31:42,880 So I got my wife to come out and she took a look at it, 402 00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:47,519 and she immediately turned and ran in the house. I don't know why, 403 00:31:47,559 --> 00:31:51,759 but she just took off. And I had been flashing a flashlight at 404 00:31:51,759 --> 00:31:55,960 it, just you know, three long and three shorts, just off and 405 00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:59,200 on, trying to see all this thing, just to see if I get 406 00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:02,359 into response, and luckily I had my eyes on it. It did. 407 00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:06,319 I guess it's like a light switch. They all turned off and it was 408 00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:09,839 pitch black, couldn't see anything. And then I'm going through my mind, 409 00:32:10,319 --> 00:32:13,519 you know, why didn't I have a camera? Why didn't I have something, 410 00:32:13,559 --> 00:32:15,000 you know? And I was a little frustrated, and I threw the 411 00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:20,759 flashlight back into my car and leaned back on the car, and all of 412 00:32:20,799 --> 00:32:24,599 a sudden, this craft was above my head I guess about maybe fifty to 413 00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:30,319 seventy five ft high, and it was rotating and it was like I was 414 00:32:30,319 --> 00:32:32,240 watching the back end of this thing turning around. It was like a big 415 00:32:32,279 --> 00:32:38,200 bar and this it was like a bright frost and blue, bluish white light 416 00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:45,799 and saw this craft just no sound, and this thing just rotated around and 417 00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:52,960 zipped off. So I don't know if you remember I had this reenacted and 418 00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:57,920 I had a film crew reenact this whole that whole scene and what it looked 419 00:32:57,960 --> 00:33:02,160 like for that conference. Oh, I think I remember something about that. 420 00:33:02,359 --> 00:33:07,880 Yeah, okay, anyhow that that at that moment, you know, right 421 00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:12,039 after that, I said, I've got to get in touch with somebody that 422 00:33:12,279 --> 00:33:15,440 knows what's going on with these things or whatever. And I, uh, 423 00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:21,519 I think it was a book by Margaret Sacks, was and Psyclopedia of UFOs 424 00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:24,519 uh, and I looked up in North Carolina. It was as George Falsett. 425 00:33:24,559 --> 00:33:29,440 It was a long time researcher. And I gave him a call and 426 00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:32,240 uh, we hooked up and met and he I actually had him come speak 427 00:33:32,319 --> 00:33:38,359 to a Kawanis group and just to show you how bad I wanted to to 428 00:33:38,359 --> 00:33:43,960 to find out what was going on at that point, I didn't belong to 429 00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:46,519 this group, but I paid five hundred dollars for him to come up and 430 00:33:46,559 --> 00:33:50,720 speak to this group. Now I wouldn't even a member of this group. 431 00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:54,799 Uh, just so I can make this connection and talk. And we hit 432 00:33:54,880 --> 00:34:00,920 it off and we became very close uh, and that's and his idea was, 433 00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:05,240 you know, we want to start up a Mufon chapter because apparently up 434 00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:09,639 in New Hampshire area and in northeast he had had lived up there and had 435 00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:15,320 UFA groups study groups, and so we started the Mufon chapter back and and 436 00:34:15,639 --> 00:34:21,760 uh the mid to late eighties and uh, that's how the Mufon chapter got 437 00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:29,840 started. But um, back to the synchronicity. I had a sighting uh 438 00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:32,679 that I was asked to go out and investigate. Actually was what it was 439 00:34:32,679 --> 00:34:39,840 was a cattle abduction and I was asked to go, uh interview. What 440 00:34:40,159 --> 00:34:45,159 happened was the Allimans County Sheriff's Department was calling in the Mufon ass if somebody 441 00:34:45,199 --> 00:34:49,239 could show up there. When I thought that was strange. Here's the sheriff's 442 00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:52,000 department asking for help. Not that I could, you know, you know, 443 00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:58,599 there is no the greed person in uphology. So but I just decided, 444 00:34:58,599 --> 00:35:00,599 you know, I'd go out there and talk to him and just investigate 445 00:35:00,679 --> 00:35:07,000 this report. And it was remarkable. It was just this old farmer I 446 00:35:07,079 --> 00:35:12,280 guess he was probably back then he was in his early eighties, i'd say, 447 00:35:12,599 --> 00:35:16,039 and all he cared about was his prize cow. And he was so 448 00:35:16,119 --> 00:35:22,039 upset and he was screaming at the at the police and the government and just 449 00:35:22,199 --> 00:35:23,960 you know, he wants his cow back. I saw all he kept screaming. 450 00:35:24,079 --> 00:35:30,159 So anyhow, I went and filmed this area and I filmed a location. 451 00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:34,239 It was a big open field and hung around down by the trees. 452 00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:37,440 The cow like to hang by a creek down in the trees. I went 453 00:35:37,519 --> 00:35:40,519 down there and filmed. That was the last place he saw this. He 454 00:35:40,519 --> 00:35:45,719 said he saw this big light above the trees, and the next morning went 455 00:35:45,719 --> 00:35:47,920 out and his cow was gone. So I went down in those trees and 456 00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:52,760 started filming, and the guy I was training to investigate was with me. 457 00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:55,960 He'd point out he can't look up. And I looked up and there was 458 00:35:57,000 --> 00:36:04,400 a big hole in the in the tree and branches were broken upwards. And 459 00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:08,320 so I filmed this at a VHS recorder, and I filmed this because it 460 00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:13,239 was up pretty high, about seventy feet up, and I just thought that 461 00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:20,000 was the strangest thing. And it wasn't even three days later. I'm gonna 462 00:36:20,079 --> 00:36:24,920 say, well, they call them in and black or whatever. But I 463 00:36:25,039 --> 00:36:30,360 managed an apartment complex in a mobile home park at the time, and I'm 464 00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:35,320 used to police coming in checking on different residents and so forth and so on, 465 00:36:35,679 --> 00:36:38,719 so I keep these files locked up with their records, and I just 466 00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:45,800 remember glancing out the window and these guys in black suits coming in and walking 467 00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:47,679 towards the door. So I started turned to my right and starting lucking the 468 00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:52,039 files. And when I go to turn back, the first one it comes 469 00:36:52,079 --> 00:36:58,239 through had to bend his head totally over to getting my door. And these 470 00:36:58,239 --> 00:37:00,960 two it was. It was the strangest. I don't think his face was 471 00:37:01,039 --> 00:37:07,400 more than probably two and a half three inches wide at the bottom, and 472 00:37:07,559 --> 00:37:12,280 the whole typical thing that for door hats, the big black sunglasses. But 473 00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:17,960 this first one that walked in was I'm gonna say seven foot tall, easy, 474 00:37:19,159 --> 00:37:24,280 and he was almost a robotic. He turned with his back. He 475 00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:29,199 opened the door and turned with his back and faced across the room. A 476 00:37:29,239 --> 00:37:32,880 little who I call shorty walked in. He was like the middle guy. 477 00:37:34,599 --> 00:37:37,480 And then when the third one came, this one came in and he was 478 00:37:37,559 --> 00:37:42,280 identical, I mean, I mean spit an image of the first guy. 479 00:37:43,199 --> 00:37:47,519 Another tall one and he came and got behind me, and it was just 480 00:37:47,559 --> 00:37:53,320 the strangest event that happened. I mean, this guy was yelling something. 481 00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:58,280 The shorty was the only one that talked, and he was kept yelling something. 482 00:37:58,440 --> 00:38:01,239 But I couldn't focus because I wanted to see under I wanted to see 483 00:38:01,239 --> 00:38:05,920 this tall guy's eyes, and I couldn't see his eyes because he had these 484 00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:10,880 glasses on. But one thing, I just I can't stress enough how quick 485 00:38:10,920 --> 00:38:14,480 this was. As soon as that thought went in my head, I want 486 00:38:14,519 --> 00:38:17,599 to see your eyes, he dropped his head down like to the floor, 487 00:38:17,639 --> 00:38:22,840 so like I couldn't look up under his lenses, and he just kept his 488 00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:27,599 head looking straight down at the floor. And I started thinking, okay, 489 00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:30,079 you can read my mind. Then, okay, you know what's going on 490 00:38:30,199 --> 00:38:34,880 here, you know. And I'm I'm just focused on this first one. 491 00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:42,119 And finally the short guy spins me around in my chair and it's like, 492 00:38:42,239 --> 00:38:47,719 you want to see I He rips his glasses off and he had just the 493 00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:52,880 perfect circular eyes. They were completely round and the brightest blue I've ever seen 494 00:38:52,920 --> 00:39:00,119 in my life. It was it was unbelievable. The whole thing just just 495 00:39:00,199 --> 00:39:02,960 floored me. I didn't know what was going on. It almost seemed like 496 00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:07,280 I was losing track of time. It's like everything just came to a standstill. 497 00:39:07,639 --> 00:39:09,880 And what do they what do they want? He just he was just 498 00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:15,280 screening me not to ever go back out there where the cow yea farm, 499 00:39:15,599 --> 00:39:19,719 back to that site. He and he just kept saying, you don't go 500 00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:22,960 back out there, you understand me, And and he said it three times 501 00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:25,960 that I could hear. He said, you know, you don't go back 502 00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:30,920 out there. And I'm like, I understand, I understand. And then 503 00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:35,360 they turned and walked out the door. And then I just sat there and 504 00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:37,199 I wanted to get their license plate, and I couldn't even get out of 505 00:39:37,199 --> 00:39:40,800 my chair. And about the time they were pulling out of properly, I 506 00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:45,920 was finally able to get up, and I could see they were some type 507 00:39:45,039 --> 00:39:49,280 they were government plates, but I couldn't read the numbers on them or the 508 00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:55,039 letters. And it just it was it was just the strangest thing that ever 509 00:39:55,079 --> 00:40:00,199 occurred in my life, even stranger than my sightings. It was just so 510 00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:04,159 I went back inside and sat down at my desk and was just and I 511 00:40:04,239 --> 00:40:07,440 was, you know, almost point, I was shaking. And I sat 512 00:40:07,519 --> 00:40:10,719 there and I looked up and my camera I had left in the kitchen, 513 00:40:10,760 --> 00:40:15,360 which is opened the right off the living room, and I had my camera 514 00:40:15,519 --> 00:40:21,000 up on the counter there that separates the kitchen from the living room, and 515 00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:27,280 I noticed the compartment was open and the table was gone. Yeah I did 516 00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:30,760 not see Yeah, I did not see them move around and get it or 517 00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:37,400 anything, but it was gone. And it just, you know, I 518 00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:38,920 had to go to the next time we had our meeting. They asked me 519 00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:43,920 to talk about it. I said, it was just I don't know, 520 00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:47,800 it was nothing to it, and I just blew it off. And it 521 00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:52,239 just always stuck in my head. And that was one thing that when I 522 00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:54,280 heard about these Charles Hall and these tall white signing, this first thing I 523 00:40:54,280 --> 00:41:01,079 could think of was just this these tall you know being type things. But 524 00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:08,440 um, well, cutting back, I happened to be at a Timothy Good 525 00:41:08,519 --> 00:41:12,880 was given a talk in Raleigh, North Carolina that night that I got the 526 00:41:12,920 --> 00:41:16,039 call from UFON and I couldn't remember the date. So I got in touch 527 00:41:16,079 --> 00:41:22,679 with Timothy Good and got the exact date when he did his talk. So 528 00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:25,599 the next day I knew when I went out to the site, and so 529 00:41:25,639 --> 00:41:34,679 I was able to put down the dates exactly when this occurred. And here's 530 00:41:34,679 --> 00:41:40,199 where it's really crazy. Through all of this, I hadn't moved. I 531 00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:45,199 got got away from UFON, I moved with my jobs up to New Jerseyn 532 00:41:45,199 --> 00:41:50,519 in Pennsylvania, and when I got sick with his cancer, we moved back. 533 00:41:50,599 --> 00:41:53,519 We had just moved back down in two thou January twenty thirteen, and 534 00:41:53,559 --> 00:41:58,719 I decided to give this do this conference, and do this whole thing. 535 00:41:59,719 --> 00:42:02,800 And I told my wife, you know, my wife's heard heard these stories 536 00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:07,559 me. You know that I've told her. And when she was shocked about 537 00:42:07,559 --> 00:42:10,440 the least Spiegel because she remembers me telling her, you know, the guys 538 00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:15,039 in the field. So I was telling her about you know, I said, 539 00:42:15,079 --> 00:42:16,840 you know, I really need to get down to the Alamance counter Sheriff's 540 00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:22,000 department and checked to see if any of the other deputy sheriffs had had any 541 00:42:22,079 --> 00:42:28,000 kind of you know, encountered m bees or anybody else went through that because 542 00:42:28,440 --> 00:42:31,360 I never even gave him my address or anything on a how this they even 543 00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:37,440 showed up at where I worked. And I remember George Fause had had a 544 00:42:37,519 --> 00:42:43,320 similar thing happened to him that he told me about where they showed up at 545 00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:50,719 his daughter's college dorm that he was up in Chicago speaking and they kind of 546 00:42:50,719 --> 00:42:57,159 got him outside after his talk and the cart there's one of these MBS and 547 00:42:57,280 --> 00:42:59,719 crass him to get in the car and started talking to him and told him 548 00:42:59,719 --> 00:43:04,159 he needs to be quiet and stopped talking and giving presentations about this stuff. 549 00:43:04,159 --> 00:43:07,159 He didn't know what he's talking about. And he was warned, you know, 550 00:43:07,239 --> 00:43:13,400 you need to stop doing this, and he still went out and spoke. 551 00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:16,519 A couple of times were when he did. His daughter had called him 552 00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:22,119 that one of these guys was in her room and she knew nothing about the 553 00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:25,320 MBS or anything that George had gone through. Never said a word to his 554 00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:30,719 daughter anything about, you know, what had happened. And she said, 555 00:43:30,719 --> 00:43:34,440 there was this guy in my room. And he kept telling me to make 556 00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:39,159 sure you stopped talking about these UFOs. What do you mean in her room? 557 00:43:39,320 --> 00:43:44,719 Not her bedroom, in her dorm room. He actually went in the 558 00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:49,800 dorm room. He was in her dorm room. Yeah, And I remember 559 00:43:49,840 --> 00:43:52,320 George telling me this, you know, because I was thinking, how did 560 00:43:52,320 --> 00:43:57,880 these you know, whoever they are, and how did these mbs find out 561 00:43:58,440 --> 00:44:00,960 where I worked or where I lived? I never even they just knew my 562 00:44:01,039 --> 00:44:07,320 name as Kent at the Sheriff's department, and I was with Muphon and I 563 00:44:07,360 --> 00:44:09,960 don't know how all how it were all went down. They end up showing 564 00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:15,480 at my job. But that occurred well. To make a long story short, 565 00:44:15,079 --> 00:44:20,079 as the synchronicity in this. When I got down in twenty thirteen, 566 00:44:20,079 --> 00:44:22,000 I was talking to my wife. I said, you know, I need 567 00:44:22,039 --> 00:44:24,599 to go back down to the Sheriff's department asking poor records. I'd like to 568 00:44:24,639 --> 00:44:28,440 talk to some of those sheriffs. There were three sheriffs that were out in 569 00:44:28,440 --> 00:44:32,480 the field that day, and including the one that drove us to the site. 570 00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:36,599 And said I like to get in touch with them. And I said, 571 00:44:36,679 --> 00:44:37,760 I just you know what am I going to say? You know? 572 00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:42,440 Because I was like, you're thinking I'm some kind of kop And she goes, 573 00:44:43,639 --> 00:44:46,119 why don't you call your friend Wayne? Well. Wayne grew up with 574 00:44:46,159 --> 00:44:50,480 me in Washington, d C. He lived on the street behind me, 575 00:44:50,639 --> 00:44:55,719 and when we grew up, and he moved down to Burlington, North Carolina, 576 00:44:55,800 --> 00:45:00,400 which is right next to Graham, which is where this Alamance County thing. 577 00:45:00,599 --> 00:45:05,519 And he also he was with the force for twenty years. It became 578 00:45:05,559 --> 00:45:09,159 a detective and the whole deal. And I said, honey, I haven't 579 00:45:09,199 --> 00:45:15,119 spoken to Wayne in years, and I don't want him thinking I'm some cook 580 00:45:15,159 --> 00:45:17,519 with UFOs stuff like that. And she goes, you know what, she 581 00:45:17,599 --> 00:45:22,280 goes, that's your quickest in and that's your best way in. She said, 582 00:45:22,719 --> 00:45:25,440 call him over, invite him over, and you know, ask him 583 00:45:25,400 --> 00:45:28,639 if he can give your hands. So I said, okay, you know, 584 00:45:28,880 --> 00:45:30,039 I'll call him. So I gave him a call and he came over. 585 00:45:30,719 --> 00:45:34,360 We talked about old times and stuff, and then I said, luck, 586 00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:37,880 Wayne, I said, I got a favor to ask you, and 587 00:45:37,880 --> 00:45:42,159 then my wife shall sit here. And the test to this, I said, 588 00:45:42,199 --> 00:45:45,039 Wayne, I said, you know, ever since I was a little 589 00:45:45,039 --> 00:45:47,960 I'd been interested in UFOs. And he stopped me right. Then he goes, 590 00:45:47,960 --> 00:45:52,559 oh, I know he can't remember when we were out sleeping out back 591 00:45:52,760 --> 00:45:57,480 on the screen porch and there was that big rectanglar ufo that came over, 592 00:45:58,199 --> 00:46:02,599 because you remember that, and I'm number one to this day, I have 593 00:46:02,719 --> 00:46:07,679 no knowledge of Wayne spending in the night and us looking at a rectangular ufo, 594 00:46:08,800 --> 00:46:15,000 none whatsoever. And there was no way you can mistake rect ufo with 595 00:46:15,039 --> 00:46:20,159 an orange disc, and I was quite clear of what I saw, but 596 00:46:20,280 --> 00:46:24,079 the fact that he said that, it just I looked at Patty and she 597 00:46:24,119 --> 00:46:28,280 looked at me, and she was like, what in the world. And 598 00:46:28,320 --> 00:46:30,119 I said, Wayne, what are you talking about? He goes, oh, 599 00:46:30,199 --> 00:46:32,960 my god, can't don't you remember that thing? It said over the 600 00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:39,480 backyard? He said it was perfect rectangle set there over the backyard. I 601 00:46:39,559 --> 00:46:45,239 said, you mean the big orange disc and he goes, no, it 602 00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:52,639 was perfectly rectangular. Now this happened back in the mid sixties, so you 603 00:46:52,679 --> 00:46:55,400 know, I didn't even think there was talk of rectangular UFOs back then or 604 00:46:55,440 --> 00:47:02,039 anything. So it just that really shocked me. Here's a friend of mine, 605 00:47:02,320 --> 00:47:07,519 you know, it's another he's a policeman. He's totally saying, you 606 00:47:07,599 --> 00:47:13,480 know, been a detective all his life, and and he mentions this, 607 00:47:13,599 --> 00:47:19,400 and I was like, my god. And then it wasn't I guess I 608 00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:23,960 think it was in nine, in two thousan fifteen, my nine, when 609 00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:29,679 I was nine, I had that sighting that I told everybody about. I'm 610 00:47:29,760 --> 00:47:32,480 on the record, you know, even right before the conference. I did 611 00:47:32,519 --> 00:47:42,800 an interview and in twenty fifteen Norm Gagnon with Mufond Virginia. Here's an article 612 00:47:42,840 --> 00:47:47,360 on the MUFON Journal about a sighting at the same time it occurred when my 613 00:47:47,440 --> 00:47:50,760 singing incurred. It was a quarter of a mile from my house. It 614 00:47:50,960 --> 00:47:54,599 was in Vienna, Virginia, and that's a quarter of a mile from my 615 00:47:54,679 --> 00:47:59,880 house in Falls Church. It happened occurred at the same time, except this 616 00:48:00,159 --> 00:48:06,960 kid had saw beings and went through like an abduction thing. But here's this 617 00:48:07,079 --> 00:48:12,199 article that comes up two years after the conference, and it's I called Norman, 618 00:48:12,599 --> 00:48:16,360 and that's when I had the conference in twenty sixteen. I invited Norman 619 00:48:16,480 --> 00:48:22,199 and Ben and Tony from New from Virginia to come down to a conference, 620 00:48:22,039 --> 00:48:27,079 and so I spoke with him about my sighting that he had, you know, 621 00:48:27,079 --> 00:48:30,280 an investigated and told him about, you know, my sighting that I 622 00:48:30,400 --> 00:48:37,159 had that and showed him you know where I had said this years ago and 623 00:48:37,320 --> 00:48:40,360 that had that occurred. Uh, not not quite. It was just about 624 00:48:40,360 --> 00:48:43,920 a quarter of a mile from my house. As a matter of fact, 625 00:48:44,440 --> 00:48:49,199 where his sighting was is right real close by my elementary school. So you 626 00:48:49,239 --> 00:48:52,000 know, there's you think about it, there's not a lot of people that 627 00:48:52,119 --> 00:48:55,559 have as many sightings as you do. You know. I mean, no, 628 00:48:57,280 --> 00:48:59,760 people don't the thing, you know, and and I sit there and 629 00:49:00,280 --> 00:49:04,880 that's one thing bothers me. I've had all these sightings, but it's you 630 00:49:04,920 --> 00:49:06,880 know, I said when number one, how does people look at that? 631 00:49:06,920 --> 00:49:08,599 Well, at this point in my life, I don't care because of my 632 00:49:08,800 --> 00:49:14,239 cancer. Yeah, it's like I just I'm after the truth of what's what's 633 00:49:14,280 --> 00:49:19,519 happened, you know, And there's actually been a couple more incidents that's happened. 634 00:49:19,840 --> 00:49:23,880 But um, but there are people I will I just I'm sorry. 635 00:49:23,880 --> 00:49:29,280 It didn't mean to cut you up. I will say that are people that 636 00:49:29,480 --> 00:49:34,440 this does seem to happen to that have you know, a number of sightings. 637 00:49:34,440 --> 00:49:37,519 You know Ray Stanford for one, you know UFO researcher, He's had 638 00:49:38,039 --> 00:49:42,920 a ton of sightings. And there are a number of people. And I 639 00:49:42,960 --> 00:49:47,000 think it's not just um the fact that you know, because once you have 640 00:49:47,039 --> 00:49:50,800 one sighting, you know, I know, I don't know about you, 641 00:49:50,880 --> 00:49:55,039 but I'm always looking looking around, looking up. In an airplane, I 642 00:49:55,119 --> 00:49:59,840 instinctively look out, you know, over the wings and look out in the 643 00:50:00,039 --> 00:50:05,559 sky. And I wouldn't have done that before, you know. So yeah, 644 00:50:05,599 --> 00:50:09,719 that's because at such an early age. I started watching the skies at 645 00:50:09,840 --> 00:50:14,719 nighttime. Uh. For instance, a couple of these sightings I never would 646 00:50:14,719 --> 00:50:20,920 have seen had I looked up. You know. Um, it's it's and 647 00:50:20,920 --> 00:50:24,440 and when you think about it. To to probably most people, it sounds 648 00:50:24,480 --> 00:50:29,960 like a lot of sightings. But I can count them on both my hands. 649 00:50:30,320 --> 00:50:32,320 Uh, I've had about ten sightings in my life. You know. 650 00:50:32,719 --> 00:50:38,760 I'm I turned sixty six, So that's ten nights out of all those nights 651 00:50:38,760 --> 00:50:42,559 of your life. Yeah, you know, it's not like it happens that 652 00:50:42,679 --> 00:50:47,760 often, but it's the situations that um, you know, I tell you 653 00:50:47,800 --> 00:50:53,719 what's what's puzzled me is um. One of our family friends was a friend 654 00:50:53,719 --> 00:50:59,920 of my dad's worked in the Pentagon and he was with the photo a kind 655 00:50:59,920 --> 00:51:05,840 of since lab at the Pentagon, and he was a personally he was a 656 00:51:05,920 --> 00:51:09,239 joke jokester. He would always crack jokes at you and make fun of you. 657 00:51:09,320 --> 00:51:15,119 And he was very strict with his children. That kind of scared all 658 00:51:15,159 --> 00:51:22,239 the neighborhood kids because he was so strict. But there was a Look magazine 659 00:51:22,280 --> 00:51:25,119 that I still have that came out that did a special on flying saucers back 660 00:51:25,119 --> 00:51:30,679 in sixty six or sixty seven, and I remember getting my talking to my 661 00:51:30,719 --> 00:51:35,119 mom into getting this magazine. I ran out in the screen porch and was 662 00:51:35,159 --> 00:51:40,280 showing it to my dad and which immediately he's he just got abusive. He 663 00:51:40,360 --> 00:51:45,920 was just making fun of me so bad. And between him and another neighbor 664 00:51:45,920 --> 00:51:49,360 and Jack, I didn't even want to look up and look at Jack. 665 00:51:49,400 --> 00:51:52,400 He was sitting in the corner in a chair, and I knew he was 666 00:51:52,440 --> 00:51:58,880 just gonna just have a heyday with me. And when I looked at him, 667 00:51:59,000 --> 00:52:01,800 he was sitting down with his head looking at the floor, and he 668 00:52:01,840 --> 00:52:07,079 was grabbing his hands, clenching his hands like in a fifth together, and 669 00:52:07,119 --> 00:52:13,840 he was just shaking his head no. And it struck me really funny. 670 00:52:13,960 --> 00:52:15,639 I mean, he was really upset that they were teasing me like that, 671 00:52:16,840 --> 00:52:23,559 and that stood out in my mind. I was like, so later in 672 00:52:23,639 --> 00:52:30,280 life, my parents divorced and my mom had remarried, and this guy, 673 00:52:30,360 --> 00:52:35,400 who I'll just say his first name was Jack. Him and his wife came 674 00:52:35,400 --> 00:52:40,760 down to my mom's reception down in North Carolina, and at that time I 675 00:52:40,880 --> 00:52:45,840 was working in retail as a manager of jewelry stores, and I had to 676 00:52:45,159 --> 00:52:49,840 just only could get away long enough to come to my mom's reception, and 677 00:52:49,880 --> 00:52:53,000 then I had to get back to work, so I never even saw Jack 678 00:52:53,079 --> 00:52:57,760 standing there. And I ran out the door and I was getting ready to 679 00:52:57,840 --> 00:53:01,239 jog from my car, and Jack stood up on outside on the front and 680 00:53:01,320 --> 00:53:05,679 yelled my name out, and I turned and ran back to him, said, 681 00:53:05,719 --> 00:53:07,119 hey you're doing Jack, I'm sorry, didn't see you standing there. 682 00:53:07,159 --> 00:53:13,360 And he goes, hey, you're still reading those UFO books And I said, 683 00:53:13,360 --> 00:53:15,599 well, yeah, I've got a got a few few i'm collected. 684 00:53:15,599 --> 00:53:21,000 And he goes, you need to come up and visit me Late Guests and 685 00:53:21,000 --> 00:53:22,880 I've retired, I'm living at Late Guests and you need to come up and 686 00:53:22,880 --> 00:53:27,760 we'll go fishing and talk. And I just blow it off. I said, 687 00:53:27,800 --> 00:53:30,960 sure, you know, we'll get together, you know, and not 688 00:53:30,119 --> 00:53:37,519 about my merry way. And then it wasn't until two thousand and nine that 689 00:53:37,679 --> 00:53:42,480 I started asking my mom questions about Jack and Margaret, you know, and 690 00:53:43,519 --> 00:53:46,519 because I knew he worked at the Pentagon, and come to find out, 691 00:53:47,159 --> 00:53:53,480 Jack was in Roswell. He was there under Colonel Blanchard back from forty seven. 692 00:53:54,679 --> 00:54:02,119 He was everywhere Blanchard when Jack went with the exception. Jack went to 693 00:54:02,239 --> 00:54:08,039 Right Patterson. He worked at Right Patterson in photo reconnaissance. He ran the 694 00:54:08,039 --> 00:54:14,239 photo reconisance lab there, and then Jack followed him all the way up. 695 00:54:14,760 --> 00:54:20,039 He's with the Defense Intelligence Agency when they first started it off Columbia Pike, 696 00:54:20,760 --> 00:54:23,519 and that was before it moved to the Pentagon. And then Jack went to 697 00:54:23,559 --> 00:54:31,320 the Pentagon with when they moved, and he worked under Blanchard. So I 698 00:54:31,440 --> 00:54:37,239 had a short meeting with Jack and asked him a ton of questions which he 699 00:54:37,320 --> 00:54:45,039 had remarried, and he felt quite uncomfortable answered my questions and I'm sorry, 700 00:54:45,039 --> 00:54:46,599 I'm gonna have to do this though. We go ahead. We have to 701 00:54:46,639 --> 00:54:51,960 go into our break and when we come back, m I will will pick 702 00:54:52,000 --> 00:54:57,920 it up with your conversation with Jack. Okay, we'll do all right, 703 00:54:58,039 --> 00:55:01,639 So everyone hanging there, we'll be right back right after these messages. All 704 00:55:01,719 --> 00:55:06,400 right, everyone, welcome back. This is Martin Willis My guest is Kent 705 00:55:06,639 --> 00:55:12,199 center, and we are talking. Just before we went into break. Kent 706 00:55:12,360 --> 00:55:16,480 was talking about Jack who worked at the Pentagon and sitting down, Yeah, 707 00:55:16,639 --> 00:55:22,639 conversation go ahead. He had just gotten he had gotten remarried as his wife 708 00:55:22,639 --> 00:55:29,960 passed away to cancer, and turns out that the woman he remembered married remarried. 709 00:55:30,000 --> 00:55:34,320 They were family friends, and his best friend that worked with him at 710 00:55:34,320 --> 00:55:39,800 the Pentagon, that was his wife. And Jack and his wife used to 711 00:55:39,800 --> 00:55:45,400 play ridge with this couple, so it just seemed he was very uncomfortable talking 712 00:55:45,400 --> 00:55:47,400 around her. But I did get, you know, a few questions answered. 713 00:55:47,480 --> 00:55:52,320 You know, one I asked about this Colonel Blanchard and he says he 714 00:55:52,360 --> 00:55:55,679 had Blanchard loved to come him off as a look at my pictures every day. 715 00:55:57,679 --> 00:56:04,320 And but you know, I wanted to invite him down to that conference, 716 00:56:04,320 --> 00:56:07,360 but he passed away right before that. And I've had a couple of 717 00:56:07,519 --> 00:56:15,280 very bad timing issues. When I had that conference in twenty thirteen, I 718 00:56:15,400 --> 00:56:21,199 kept receiving these calls from this gentleman that was in a nursing home in Greensboro 719 00:56:21,280 --> 00:56:23,719 there where we had the meeting, and he wanted me to come and see 720 00:56:23,800 --> 00:56:28,639 him. And you know how busy I did that conference all by myself, 721 00:56:28,679 --> 00:56:32,840 as far as the organization everything, and I was just so much work and 722 00:56:32,880 --> 00:56:38,159 I just didn't have time to get to him, and never heard another thing 723 00:56:38,199 --> 00:56:43,440 back from him. And I'll be darned that. In twenty sixteen, when 724 00:56:43,440 --> 00:56:49,960 I held that next conference with Travis Walton and Tom Reid and Nick Redford, 725 00:56:50,880 --> 00:56:54,239 he called the hotel where we were having the conference and asked me to please 726 00:56:54,320 --> 00:56:58,880 come by and see him. And so I came by to see him, 727 00:56:58,960 --> 00:57:02,920 and I took a friend who I was going to interview him, because what 728 00:57:04,039 --> 00:57:09,360 he told me was he worked for the FBI in his past and he had 729 00:57:09,400 --> 00:57:12,920 something he had with that I wanted to tell me. And I'm like, 730 00:57:13,360 --> 00:57:15,400 well, I'll definitely be there. Is it all right if I bring somebody 731 00:57:15,559 --> 00:57:17,639 to do an interview, you might want to take some pictures, to do 732 00:57:17,920 --> 00:57:22,480 some filming because and he said, nut come on by. So my wife 733 00:57:22,480 --> 00:57:30,880 and my friend did the filming. We show up at his nursing home and 734 00:57:31,400 --> 00:57:35,639 he is so shook up when he's talking to him and he tells me about 735 00:57:35,679 --> 00:57:40,199 this. What occurred was he started out as a field agent in Las Vegas. 736 00:57:40,840 --> 00:57:45,000 He lived right outside of Las Vegas, and his other field agent he 737 00:57:45,079 --> 00:57:50,639 was friends with lived in Las Vegas and asked him come over that weekend, 738 00:57:50,840 --> 00:57:52,000 spend the weekend with them, and they, you know, go down to 739 00:57:52,079 --> 00:57:58,159 casinos or whatever. And as he got to his friend's house. His friend 740 00:57:58,239 --> 00:58:00,440 was running out the door and saying, you want to come with me? 741 00:58:00,480 --> 00:58:02,760 I got a call and he goes, now, I'll just wait till you 742 00:58:02,800 --> 00:58:08,480 get back. And I'm not sure if that's true or not that he was 743 00:58:08,519 --> 00:58:13,000 going to wait because he was so shook up as he was talking about this. 744 00:58:14,039 --> 00:58:21,320 But what happened was his friend, he said, went got a call 745 00:58:21,440 --> 00:58:24,280 and apparently one of these craft had landed. The UFO had landed, and 746 00:58:24,320 --> 00:58:30,599 there were beings outside the craft running around and it was right off the highway 747 00:58:30,639 --> 00:58:37,079 and they were just running around this craft and shook the guy up terribly, 748 00:58:37,079 --> 00:58:40,239 he said. And I'm sitting here looking at him as if he's he's the 749 00:58:40,280 --> 00:58:44,280 one that just the way he was acting, I'm like, you know, 750 00:58:45,159 --> 00:58:47,239 and this guy was in his I would say, it's in his nineties. 751 00:58:47,360 --> 00:58:52,599 And I started trying to find out the dates, you know, and asked 752 00:58:52,679 --> 00:58:57,280 him he could remember anything, you know, who was playing at the casinos 753 00:58:57,320 --> 00:59:00,280 and what was on TV at the time, and just trying to narrow it 754 00:59:00,320 --> 00:59:06,000 down. Was in late forties, early fifties, and he said he'd tried 755 00:59:06,079 --> 00:59:13,199 to remember the date, and his name was Howard Richardson was this gentleman's name, 756 00:59:14,000 --> 00:59:22,639 and the other agent was named Lee Andrews. And all of a sudden, 757 00:59:22,639 --> 00:59:25,639 I look up and he's asleep. So I told his nurse, I 758 00:59:25,639 --> 00:59:29,239 said, you know, would tell him we'll come back and I'll call him. 759 00:59:29,280 --> 00:59:31,519 We'll come back and set up because I really want to get this on 760 00:59:31,599 --> 00:59:38,280 film and let him some literature and stuff. And I called him back and 761 00:59:38,480 --> 00:59:42,320 he didn't answer his phone. I kept calling calling. This went on for 762 00:59:42,400 --> 00:59:44,760 like three weeks, and I told Patty, I said, I think he's 763 00:59:45,559 --> 00:59:47,960 pulling the number. How he thinks I pull on him where I never called 764 00:59:49,000 --> 00:59:52,960 them back? And Patty just looked at me. She said, Ken, 765 00:59:52,000 --> 00:59:54,760 I hate to say this, but why don't you look up in the obituaries. 766 00:59:55,320 --> 00:59:59,800 And when I pulled up the obituaries, he had passed away like ten 767 01:00:00,039 --> 01:00:04,920 days after we were there, and it just, uh it, it just 768 01:00:05,039 --> 01:00:10,679 floored me. And uh but when I read his obituary, he actually worked 769 01:00:10,679 --> 01:00:14,440 his way all the way up to where he was in charge of all the 770 01:00:14,480 --> 01:00:17,559 special agents in Washington, based out of Washington, d C. So he 771 01:00:17,639 --> 01:00:21,960 worked in the headquarters Washington, DC and then charge of the field agents. 772 01:00:22,000 --> 01:00:24,840 So you know this guy is no coop. You know, this guy's got 773 01:00:24,880 --> 01:00:30,559 some credibilitude to his name and uh and to hear that, you know, 774 01:00:30,679 --> 01:00:35,639 here's a here's another story. You know that. You know I recorded. 775 01:00:35,679 --> 01:00:39,039 I want to go down that this occurred, you know. So right now 776 01:00:39,079 --> 01:00:44,199 I'm trying to go through all the bluebook files of any of the FBI agents 777 01:00:44,239 --> 01:00:47,280 that might have had sightings or reported, you know, to investigate a sighting 778 01:00:47,280 --> 01:00:51,920 out in the Vegas area, try to track it down. I didn't have 779 01:00:51,960 --> 01:00:58,800 any information on his uh On Leandres, his his birthdate or death date, 780 01:00:58,840 --> 01:01:02,679 and couldn't file a Freedom Information acts on him. But um, it was 781 01:01:02,719 --> 01:01:07,920 just just remarkable. Now you're saying that true. Pardon me, you're working 782 01:01:07,960 --> 01:01:14,599 on cases in Las Vegas, Is that what you're saying. I'm studying anything 783 01:01:14,880 --> 01:01:16,760 all the people that from this area, that live around this area that call 784 01:01:16,840 --> 01:01:22,880 into me. For instance, like the the school sighting in what's it here? 785 01:01:22,880 --> 01:01:28,079 It's about a half a mile from my house and I it made international 786 01:01:28,119 --> 01:01:34,079 news. Uh, it's actually listed in that book. Uh. That Preston 787 01:01:34,159 --> 01:01:40,239 Dennis. Then it just came out with schoolyard urophone encounters heard that he came 788 01:01:40,239 --> 01:01:45,000 out with that book. Yeah, we've been talking. He communicated with me. 789 01:01:45,039 --> 01:01:50,760 He's been on your show before. Uh. But it's a great book 790 01:01:50,920 --> 01:01:54,280 and it's he's listed to what's it. But I did a about a half 791 01:01:54,280 --> 01:02:00,679 an hour documentary on that case and didn't I've actually gotten an doctor Lambeth, 792 01:02:00,719 --> 01:02:07,079 the principal um I did interviewed him, got his whole record on video. 793 01:02:07,920 --> 01:02:12,440 Can you tell us about that particular case please, Yeah, it's uh, 794 01:02:12,559 --> 01:02:16,360 there were these craft that were cited, uh, doctor Lambeth. A kid 795 01:02:16,400 --> 01:02:21,840 came running the schools close to uh the end of the day and said that 796 01:02:21,920 --> 01:02:25,280 there were these flying saucers up in the sky, and so he went outside 797 01:02:25,320 --> 01:02:30,800 and all the kids wouldn't running out after him, and doctor Lambeth looked. 798 01:02:30,800 --> 01:02:34,719 It was straight above the school, probably about one hundred to two hundred feet 799 01:02:34,800 --> 01:02:38,840 up, and he said they were they just round, circular, uh, 800 01:02:39,360 --> 01:02:45,679 shiny objects like like ball bearings up in the sky. And he remembers because 801 01:02:45,719 --> 01:02:52,960 that they were in formation like the numbers on a don donamo, uh, 802 01:02:52,079 --> 01:02:57,119 like you know, the six, how they lined up like that? But 803 01:02:57,239 --> 01:03:00,079 he said it was possibly there was eight of them lined up like that, 804 01:03:00,239 --> 01:03:06,159 and then all of a sudden one afternoon would just zip away and take off 805 01:03:07,159 --> 01:03:12,679 until they were totally gone. But as they were leaving, this whole neighborhood 806 01:03:12,719 --> 01:03:17,199 got filled with angel hair who had fallen. It was hanging from the close 807 01:03:17,480 --> 01:03:22,840 the electric lines, the neighbor's closed lines, it was out in the streets. 808 01:03:22,920 --> 01:03:27,559 It was everywhere, and as a matter of fact, one kid picked 809 01:03:27,559 --> 01:03:29,920 it up and put it in his mouth and tasted it and said it was 810 01:03:29,960 --> 01:03:34,440 really salty tasting, and which was kind of scary because there were traits that 811 01:03:34,960 --> 01:03:38,320 some of that was radioactive. On one of the cases of the angel hair 812 01:03:38,440 --> 01:03:46,880 tested positive for radiation, but so he kept this part of this angel Harry 813 01:03:46,960 --> 01:03:52,559 had sitting in his desk and which happened to conveniently disappear, but he sent 814 01:03:52,599 --> 01:03:59,719 samples off the Burlington Industries, which they couldn't tell what it was. But 815 01:03:59,719 --> 01:04:04,960 it was just a phenomenal case that occurred that it's to the day. One 816 01:04:05,039 --> 01:04:11,719 year earlier to the day was that sighting in Italy over a soccer stadium on 817 01:04:11,760 --> 01:04:16,599 the exact day, October twenty seventh, nineteen fifty four, this angel hair 818 01:04:18,360 --> 01:04:24,880 during a game with like over ten thousand spectators. These UFOs came flying around 819 01:04:24,880 --> 01:04:30,079 and drop an angel hair over the stadium. And this occurred exactly one year 820 01:04:30,199 --> 01:04:34,880 later. Wow, there is another case. I remember seeing a woman had 821 01:04:34,920 --> 01:04:39,920 a sighting in her backyard and her tree was full, tree was full of 822 01:04:39,960 --> 01:04:45,159 like substance like that. I can't remember the particular case, but uh, 823 01:04:45,559 --> 01:04:49,559 you know, I just remember these soccer players when they did a reunion recently. 824 01:04:49,960 --> 01:04:54,039 They were so upset at that. I think it was on the Smithsonian 825 01:04:54,119 --> 01:04:59,599 show whatever with that research where they claim it to be ballooning spiders because these 826 01:04:59,639 --> 01:05:03,599 crafts they're flying, I mean they're they're not floating with the air. They're 827 01:05:03,639 --> 01:05:09,800 actually you know, it's if they're being intelligently controlled and flying at speeds that 828 01:05:10,719 --> 01:05:14,480 you know, can stop on a dime and then take off at thousands of 829 01:05:14,480 --> 01:05:20,960 miles an hour. And this is what doctor Lambeth. One of his favorite 830 01:05:21,679 --> 01:05:26,079 sayings after that sighting he said was there's the Old Testament in the Bible and 831 01:05:26,159 --> 01:05:30,199 the New Testament. He thinks there ought to be another Testament made now so 832 01:05:31,079 --> 01:05:35,199 and this is coming from a highly religious man, but doctor Lambeth has a 833 01:05:35,280 --> 01:05:41,239 remarkable background. He got an award from the Kennedy's for working with autistic children. 834 01:05:41,280 --> 01:05:45,199 He was one of the first teachers to ever do that. And the 835 01:05:45,320 --> 01:05:49,800 Kennedy's being big into the mental illness being in their family everything, they gave 836 01:05:49,880 --> 01:05:55,880 him a grant to further's education, where he got his doctor's degree. He 837 01:05:55,960 --> 01:06:02,840 was a navigator in World War Two during UH, I think he was flowing 838 01:06:02,840 --> 01:06:08,320 out of it from India into China doing the battle runs from India to China. 839 01:06:08,519 --> 01:06:14,320 But uh he had to correct the Army Air Corps maps because it had 840 01:06:14,400 --> 01:06:18,400 him running into the Himalan mountains. And this guy's just a phenomenal person and 841 01:06:18,519 --> 01:06:25,400 just as brilliant today as he was thirty or forty years ago. He just 842 01:06:25,440 --> 01:06:30,480 made me feel silly. He really did his intelligence. It just he humbled 843 01:06:30,519 --> 01:06:35,960 you. But anyhow so I was so happy to get that on film and 844 01:06:36,159 --> 01:06:45,000 UH record this and did a DVD on him, and UM, just uh 845 01:06:45,280 --> 01:06:48,360 this this. I shouggest anybody interested in these schoolyard signings. When we talked, 846 01:06:48,400 --> 01:06:54,000 like Randall, I've been I sent Randall so many of our conference DVDs 847 01:06:54,400 --> 01:06:58,400 uh to try to get us and you know, donations to help with his 848 01:06:58,519 --> 01:07:03,320 movie. Um, that's just a phenomenal case, you know. I just 849 01:07:03,760 --> 01:07:09,159 oh, that's yeah, that's that's I think the all time you know, 850 01:07:09,360 --> 01:07:14,760 most documented. Well, uh, the incident at Exeter always stood out in 851 01:07:14,800 --> 01:07:17,920 my mind when I was young because it was the first time that I saw 852 01:07:18,039 --> 01:07:24,119 where policemen were involved in a sighting and it didn't make me feel so, 853 01:07:24,440 --> 01:07:28,320 you know, like I was going crazy, you know from what I saw. 854 01:07:28,760 --> 01:07:32,119 Um right, that's not too that's not really that far away from where 855 01:07:32,239 --> 01:07:36,920 I well, actually where I really hope to make a trip up there someday 856 01:07:36,960 --> 01:07:41,800 because it's one of my favorite that that is one of my favorite cases. 857 01:07:42,039 --> 01:07:45,840 Uh yeah, you know, but I just what I do is I just 858 01:07:45,960 --> 01:07:50,719 research, spend most of my time researching the history and the historical to see 859 01:07:51,559 --> 01:07:56,280 where we've you know, what started this, you know, as far as 860 01:07:56,360 --> 01:08:01,920 our technology and how we'd become involved in um, you know, like when 861 01:08:01,920 --> 01:08:05,639 the forties is when it really started up. You know. I mean they've 862 01:08:05,679 --> 01:08:10,159 been around forever these sightings and so forth and so on, but uh, 863 01:08:11,840 --> 01:08:14,800 how they say, you know, is this our craft or their craft or 864 01:08:15,199 --> 01:08:19,800 you know these unknowns. H I just I know, for a fact, 865 01:08:19,880 --> 01:08:24,960 just listened to all these government people and people that have been in the know 866 01:08:25,760 --> 01:08:30,000 there is something out there flying around, and I'm glad that, you know, 867 01:08:30,039 --> 01:08:33,199 like with these Navy released video releases and this, at least this is 868 01:08:33,199 --> 01:08:36,760 coming out. At least that's changing, you know, at least where the 869 01:08:36,880 --> 01:08:42,039 governments starting to say it. But the you know, the whole political atmosphere 870 01:08:42,039 --> 01:08:46,640 of this world right now, it's like it's it's totally so insane. I 871 01:08:46,640 --> 01:08:51,439 don't even know how even that can hold something as historical as this. You 872 01:08:51,479 --> 01:08:58,000 know, is there life out there? You know, I'm wondering how important 873 01:08:58,000 --> 01:09:00,399 it is that people anymore. You know, Well, I still think it's 874 01:09:01,239 --> 01:09:03,840 you know, I mean, as a lot of people say, it's, 875 01:09:03,840 --> 01:09:09,800 you know, the most important question that'll ever be answered. But you know, 876 01:09:09,840 --> 01:09:12,640 I do know what you're talking about. I know what you're talking about 877 01:09:12,640 --> 01:09:17,279 the news cycles out there, but um, but still, um. One 878 01:09:17,279 --> 01:09:21,640 of the things I think about is, you know, okay, this this 879 01:09:21,840 --> 01:09:26,840 uh what they call the modern UFO era. You didn't really hear a lot 880 01:09:26,880 --> 01:09:31,760 about anything going on prior to forty seven. But there are there are cases. 881 01:09:31,960 --> 01:09:35,520 There's a number of tons of cases I've got stepped back from the eighteen 882 01:09:35,600 --> 01:09:43,800 hundreds. You know that in your area or or mainly out West and around 883 01:09:43,800 --> 01:09:46,800 Texas. You know, the airship sightings. Uh, there's there's a lot 884 01:09:46,840 --> 01:09:51,000 out west that. I mean, I don't have it right in front of 885 01:09:51,039 --> 01:09:54,840 me now, but there's been a lot out west, I think, as 886 01:09:54,920 --> 01:10:00,600 was the whole premise to that Cowboys and Aliens movie was just some of these 887 01:10:00,640 --> 01:10:04,359 cases. Uh yeah, Well then back into the eighteen fifties. Yeah, 888 01:10:04,399 --> 01:10:09,119 then in Britain, you know, they had sightings, you know, way 889 01:10:09,159 --> 01:10:14,920 back in the nineteenth century and earlier. I know, Shock valet Um did 890 01:10:15,119 --> 01:10:19,199 a book on historic UFOs that's something I haven't thought called Wonders of the Sky. 891 01:10:19,560 --> 01:10:24,880 Yeah, that's that, Wonders in the Sky Jack vlat and uh, 892 01:10:25,359 --> 01:10:28,680 Chris Aubeck was an excellent book. That's right. Yeah, that's right. 893 01:10:29,000 --> 01:10:32,239 There's a lot of that in it. Yeah. I like the historic sightings. 894 01:10:32,239 --> 01:10:36,600 And another thing, you know, Dave Marler kind of uncovered that triangle 895 01:10:36,720 --> 01:10:43,520 UFOs are not something new, you know, they've yeah no, uh, 896 01:10:43,840 --> 01:10:47,359 not just your sighting. But you know, I mean, so back to 897 01:10:48,039 --> 01:10:51,439 your area in general, is it would you consider it a hot spot? 898 01:10:51,479 --> 01:10:58,439 It seems like there's a lot going on there. I think it's there has 899 01:10:58,520 --> 01:11:00,039 been, Yes, it has been in a hot spot, I guess you 900 01:11:00,039 --> 01:11:03,840 would say. But I think if you find out, if people were to 901 01:11:03,920 --> 01:11:11,039 dig, every place could come up with with with numerous sightings. Uh, 902 01:11:11,720 --> 01:11:14,600 you're in a real big hot spot up there. As a matter of fact, 903 01:11:14,640 --> 01:11:18,640 that Exeter case not you know, people talked about that, Uh that 904 01:11:18,800 --> 01:11:24,880 case, that incident and Exeter. Um, it was actually that whole area 905 01:11:25,039 --> 01:11:30,720 for like almost a year, went through a thousand sightings and actually even one 906 01:11:30,880 --> 01:11:39,560 landing in the backyard were almost downtown. The Exeter was flooded with sightings. 907 01:11:40,159 --> 01:11:45,560 Uh during that time in the sixties sixty five. I remember, I remember 908 01:11:45,640 --> 01:11:48,600 the wave what they're called, and yeah, it just lasted for quite a 909 01:11:48,680 --> 01:11:54,319 while. And uh it wasn't just that one. That one sighting made news 910 01:11:54,359 --> 01:12:01,479 because I think because of the police, but that had numerous sight But yeah, 911 01:12:01,520 --> 01:12:06,800 that that area up and there north Northeast, Uh yeah, United States. 912 01:12:08,560 --> 01:12:11,880 I just think it the more you dig, the more you find. 913 01:12:12,319 --> 01:12:16,880 Um. You know, I think it up both signings are common everywhere. 914 01:12:18,079 --> 01:12:20,560 I think you don't hear about it. You know, there's a lot of 915 01:12:20,600 --> 01:12:25,920 military bases up in the northeast too, and I think there's seems to be 916 01:12:26,000 --> 01:12:30,479 some type of connection to that. Yeah. Well, actually back at that 917 01:12:30,560 --> 01:12:33,960 time, there was that Air Force base right there. It was a Suton 918 01:12:34,000 --> 01:12:41,840 base actually um or was it Portsmouth Pease Air Force Base? Pease Air Force 919 01:12:41,880 --> 01:12:45,319 Base? Yeah? Yeah, that was now my where I lived. I 920 01:12:45,359 --> 01:12:51,119 lived on a hilltop across from the river um our family home when I was 921 01:12:51,159 --> 01:12:55,720 growing up, where you could see the whole Pease Air Force Base, the 922 01:12:55,720 --> 01:12:59,680 whole like not the whole runway, but a part of the runway. Um 923 01:13:00,079 --> 01:13:02,960 wow. So my sister and I, my sisters and I used to watch 924 01:13:03,039 --> 01:13:06,800 planes land and take off, and one day we sat and watched something floating. 925 01:13:06,800 --> 01:13:10,359 I don't want to say it was the UFO. It was probably a 926 01:13:10,359 --> 01:13:15,319 weather balloon, but we watched it for like an hour. But I do 927 01:13:15,439 --> 01:13:17,159 remember that was all during the UFO wave, so we were, you know, 928 01:13:17,319 --> 01:13:23,880 looking around at that point. That's fantastic. Yeah, oh man, 929 01:13:24,199 --> 01:13:26,640 I loved have been up there at that time. I don't know why I 930 01:13:26,680 --> 01:13:30,199 have such a it's almost like I want to run to these things, but 931 01:13:32,039 --> 01:13:36,039 just interested in it. Now, when you when you had any of these 932 01:13:36,079 --> 01:13:42,199 sightings, did you ever remember being afraid at all or was it just curiosity? 933 01:13:43,439 --> 01:13:46,640 Now? Not not afraid whatsoever. I was just, uh, it 934 01:13:46,720 --> 01:13:50,760 was I actually felt sad. You know, somebody signings that they flew away. 935 01:13:50,760 --> 01:13:57,000 I felt, you know, I felt sad. I felt I actually 936 01:13:57,079 --> 01:14:00,359 had a sighting when I was like four and a half, and I just 937 01:14:00,399 --> 01:14:05,479 felt very sad when they when they left. Um, I had a big 938 01:14:08,399 --> 01:14:12,319 loving him nature. Um, I will bring animals in my house. Drove 939 01:14:12,399 --> 01:14:18,600 my mother crazy collecting frogs and brought in snakes, and they kept trying to 940 01:14:18,640 --> 01:14:20,600 say, well, why are you doing? And I just I got to 941 01:14:20,640 --> 01:14:24,560 save them all. You know, I was trying to save all these animals. 942 01:14:25,319 --> 01:14:30,239 But if battery out, if my battery dies out, if you could 943 01:14:30,279 --> 01:14:32,479 call me right back. Yeah, it sounds like you're it sounds like you're 944 01:14:32,520 --> 01:14:36,199 having a little bit of a cut. So, uh, you know, 945 01:14:36,319 --> 01:14:41,560 with that being said, we're going to uh we can go into break if 946 01:14:41,560 --> 01:14:45,039 you'd like, and uh yeah, and then if you can call me back, 947 01:14:45,079 --> 01:14:48,720 I'll pick up the other chargepone. All right, okay, so Bill, 948 01:14:49,159 --> 01:14:53,479 Bill, We're gonna go into break right now for a couple of minutes. 949 01:14:53,680 --> 01:14:57,279 And this is Martin willis hanging every hanging. Everyone will be right back, 950 01:14:58,239 --> 01:15:01,000 okay, all right, welcome back. Yeah, we had a dead 951 01:15:01,039 --> 01:15:06,319 phone on Kent's end. He's all set now. So Kent, we were 952 01:15:06,359 --> 01:15:10,239 talking about UFO waves. I do want to say that we're going to open 953 01:15:10,319 --> 01:15:14,680 up the lines in a couple of minutes here, about five minutes or so, 954 01:15:14,760 --> 01:15:18,600 we'll open those lines. But so, um, that's kind of funny 955 01:15:18,600 --> 01:15:24,039 that you were kind of envious about the northeast and in uh oh yeah, 956 01:15:24,079 --> 01:15:27,319 all the sightings. Yeah, um, you know there are places. You 957 01:15:27,359 --> 01:15:30,199 know, we're talking about cattle mutilations earlier, and you know, my friend 958 01:15:30,479 --> 01:15:35,520 Chris O'Brien wrote a great book about that, but also he was in that 959 01:15:35,600 --> 01:15:41,520 area out in Colorado, which is the San Luis San Louis Valley. That's 960 01:15:41,600 --> 01:15:45,239 just such a such a hot spot. Have you ever tried to figure out 961 01:15:46,199 --> 01:15:50,039 what is a hot spot? Why they exist? And? Uh, well, 962 01:15:50,199 --> 01:15:57,359 basically that's what I'm I'm pulling together so many cases, uh, just 963 01:15:57,439 --> 01:16:00,199 going through that's all I do. I've got about five hundred files. I'm 964 01:16:00,239 --> 01:16:04,560 just going through all the literature, all the books, and just writing down 965 01:16:04,640 --> 01:16:10,840 all these cases and the ones that stand out to me. You know, 966 01:16:11,960 --> 01:16:15,600 like I said, major cases like the Phoenix Lights was to me a major 967 01:16:15,680 --> 01:16:19,960 case. Stevensville was a major case. This aerial phenomenon was a major case. 968 01:16:21,239 --> 01:16:26,399 And while I mentioned that I had gotten an email from Preston Dennit, 969 01:16:26,760 --> 01:16:30,800 the one that wrote the school Yard UFO Encounters that since he came out with 970 01:16:30,880 --> 01:16:36,960 that book, he's gotten letters. Apparently there's another case that happened around the 971 01:16:38,039 --> 01:16:41,920 same time as the aerial case, but it happened at an elementary school in 972 01:16:41,960 --> 01:16:46,079 Columbia, South America that he's going to be investigating and checking into. So 973 01:16:47,720 --> 01:16:53,560 but these are major cases. I'm trying to not that there's a pattern, 974 01:16:53,800 --> 01:17:00,800 but how often does this happen where you know, we can expect that within 975 01:17:00,920 --> 01:17:04,720 some time I'm going to see maybe something else major mass sighting is going to 976 01:17:04,760 --> 01:17:12,479 occur. But I'm just pulling all these records, gathering all these these cases. 977 01:17:12,479 --> 01:17:16,199 That's where I found so many in North Carolina that just going through and 978 01:17:16,359 --> 01:17:23,439 historically going through newspapers. I go to the library lot and just go through 979 01:17:23,520 --> 01:17:30,439 archives and just we through newspapers and uh occasionally up in Washington and my old 980 01:17:30,479 --> 01:17:38,760 stomping grounds. But um, just putting together trying to figure out how often 981 01:17:38,760 --> 01:17:44,520 and why these school cases or to me are fascinating alone, because it seems 982 01:17:44,560 --> 01:17:49,840 like that they've trying to get some kind of message across. You know, 983 01:17:50,119 --> 01:17:55,920 I said that just two weeks ago, three weeks ago when it's when Randy 984 01:17:55,960 --> 01:18:00,680 and uh Emily were on that. You know, their impression noble kids, 985 01:18:00,560 --> 01:18:08,119 Um, they all not all, but a lot of the encounters there's some 986 01:18:08,159 --> 01:18:13,439 type of possibly telepathy or whatever. They have. Kids will talk about images 987 01:18:13,479 --> 01:18:16,159 of you know, take care of the earth and all that, and um, 988 01:18:17,239 --> 01:18:21,159 you know, not not exactly climate change, but something you know that 989 01:18:21,399 --> 01:18:26,720 there's pollution, there's whatever it is, you know, take better care of 990 01:18:26,760 --> 01:18:30,159 the earth. And I think that is kind of bizarre, but it makes 991 01:18:30,199 --> 01:18:33,119 total sense in a way. I just see, you see what's happening to 992 01:18:33,159 --> 01:18:38,680 this earth, and it's just not you know, whether the arguments whether it's 993 01:18:38,720 --> 01:18:43,000 man made or not, it doesn't matter. I mean, just the pollution 994 01:18:43,079 --> 01:18:47,600 and everything we're doing itself, the damage we're doing with the nuclear waste everything. 995 01:18:47,800 --> 01:18:50,680 To me, no one ever talks aboutifying. No one ever talks about 996 01:18:50,800 --> 01:18:55,439 nuclear waste. I did a show on that when I was doing the Everything 997 01:18:55,479 --> 01:19:00,720 Else show, and basically it's five thousand general rations before that stuff is safe. 998 01:19:01,039 --> 01:19:04,279 So we're putting bird And I know this is way off the UFO topic 999 01:19:04,319 --> 01:19:10,600 and someone probably want to wants to pull me off my soapbox, but we're 1000 01:19:10,640 --> 01:19:15,159 putting the burden on five thousand generations, two hundred thousand years into the future 1001 01:19:15,520 --> 01:19:20,960 that people have to be careful and have to charge that new for our benefits. 1002 01:19:20,960 --> 01:19:28,399 The warnings that they're bringing down to these children, it's you know, 1003 01:19:28,800 --> 01:19:30,159 you can go all the way back to the Bible, you know. I 1004 01:19:30,159 --> 01:19:34,319 mean, I don't want to get into religion or anything, but you've got 1005 01:19:34,359 --> 01:19:40,319 the Zekeel case. It sounds more like a machine than anything to me. 1006 01:19:40,840 --> 01:19:45,279 I had a family friend that worked with my dad that wrote a book Out 1007 01:19:45,279 --> 01:19:50,079 of the Angel's Hand where he took the Bible and he puts passages from that 1008 01:19:50,119 --> 01:19:55,600 Bible. It's a fascinating book. But he did passages in that Bible and 1009 01:19:55,640 --> 01:19:59,880 then wrote, what as if these beings are coming down, and this is 1010 01:20:00,039 --> 01:20:04,720 the messages they're they're given the way he in his mind he's pulling this through. 1011 01:20:04,880 --> 01:20:09,720 These are the messages these actual beings are coming down. They're not God's, 1012 01:20:09,720 --> 01:20:14,439 but they're beings. They're trying to tell us how to how to live. 1013 01:20:14,520 --> 01:20:16,880 How to eat, you know, how to take care of ourselves, 1014 01:20:17,000 --> 01:20:23,760 how to take care of this planet. And it's a it's a fascinating book. 1015 01:20:23,960 --> 01:20:26,720 I'm sorry to say he passed away. He was one of those soldiers 1016 01:20:26,760 --> 01:20:30,680 you see, that was out west when they would set off an atomic bomb 1017 01:20:30,680 --> 01:20:32,199 and then have him get out of the trenches and walk into the cloud. 1018 01:20:33,199 --> 01:20:36,399 And he was one of those soldiers. And he ended up dying of bone 1019 01:20:36,439 --> 01:20:41,560 cancer. And uh, but he wrote this book. He came into actually 1020 01:20:41,640 --> 01:20:46,760 to one of our MU fond meetings, never heard of Zachary sension or any 1021 01:20:46,760 --> 01:20:50,279 of his thoughts or anything, and just did this book on his own, 1022 01:20:51,079 --> 01:20:57,880 just from his views. And it's called Out of the Angel's Hands. A 1023 01:20:57,960 --> 01:21:03,840 fascinating book. But that is an interesting, uh interesting thought. Um. 1024 01:21:03,880 --> 01:21:06,760 I'm going to open up the line. So if anyone wants to call in, 1025 01:21:06,800 --> 01:21:12,600 we have our screener, nice guy over there, Bill Um will screen 1026 01:21:12,680 --> 01:21:17,039 your call. And that number is eight five five four seven two five four 1027 01:21:17,239 --> 01:21:21,439 eight three. Uh, and the phone lines are open if anyone wants to 1028 01:21:21,479 --> 01:21:26,000 call in. So um, if we do get a call, I'll just 1029 01:21:26,319 --> 01:21:31,199 let you know we have one waiting, okay, and so um, yeah, 1030 01:21:31,239 --> 01:21:36,039 it's it's really fascinating, the the all the different ideas. You know. 1031 01:21:36,079 --> 01:21:39,359 I've said on the show a number of times, I really don't know 1032 01:21:40,119 --> 01:21:44,920 any more about the UFO topic than I did when I started. You know, 1033 01:21:45,000 --> 01:21:47,960 it's it's it's it's it's that rabbit hole they talk about you go into 1034 01:21:48,079 --> 01:21:57,279 and um. Luckily I on I've been able to witness actual i'll call craft. 1035 01:21:57,560 --> 01:22:00,760 They're not the glowing lights, you know, but we are some type 1036 01:22:00,760 --> 01:22:04,720 of machine up in the air. It's flying around, yeah, doing things 1037 01:22:04,720 --> 01:22:10,880 that you know, everything they teach you in school, physics and everything that's 1038 01:22:10,960 --> 01:22:17,159 not possible, but having to come to the realization this exists, you know, 1039 01:22:17,920 --> 01:22:23,039 it's true. The sighting I had was actually what I would have to 1040 01:22:23,079 --> 01:22:27,239 say, you know, would be none other than a craft, you know, 1041 01:22:27,479 --> 01:22:30,600 but it was. It was actually kind of a boring sighting compared to 1042 01:22:30,800 --> 01:22:35,760 what you're talking about. It was just a simple disk flew over me and 1043 01:22:36,079 --> 01:22:43,399 it had a blue like a blue glow to it. And the thing that 1044 01:22:43,600 --> 01:22:48,800 baffled me about the whole thing the most was the silence. I couldn't understand 1045 01:22:49,239 --> 01:22:53,760 that how to move and stop and you know, do the things it was 1046 01:22:53,800 --> 01:22:58,239 doing. It didn't do too much. You know, it just basically was 1047 01:22:58,319 --> 01:23:02,920 going in a straight line and uh, it stops and then it just went 1048 01:23:02,920 --> 01:23:06,920 off to an angle toward Monterey. I was in Carmel Valley at the time, 1049 01:23:08,439 --> 01:23:11,199 and I was in a hot tub and it was kind of boring, 1050 01:23:11,279 --> 01:23:14,720 but you know, that was still a sighting OCD and that's why I'm on 1051 01:23:14,760 --> 01:23:18,920 the show today. Yeah, that's uh, you know, I have to 1052 01:23:19,520 --> 01:23:24,239 another thing I've been touching in my notes and that I want to put in 1053 01:23:24,319 --> 01:23:28,840 this book, all eventual and finishes. I had a by having that conference, 1054 01:23:30,119 --> 01:23:32,760 I was able to since I was paying them all to come and speak, 1055 01:23:33,359 --> 01:23:40,000 to have a private meeting with doctor Haynes and Xavier Passau and Colonel Halt 1056 01:23:40,279 --> 01:23:46,880 and doctor Westrom and I wanted to go over my life and my sightings and 1057 01:23:47,960 --> 01:23:53,239 get their take on it and to find out. Yeah, it's just basically 1058 01:23:53,279 --> 01:23:57,079 I want answers like anybody else, you know. But I just didn't understand 1059 01:23:57,079 --> 01:24:03,159 why I had these sightings so much, and uh, and you know it's 1060 01:24:03,279 --> 01:24:09,239 it's a you know, it's a private conversation. I was asked not to 1061 01:24:09,279 --> 01:24:13,800 film it. I filmed it for myself, but doctor Haynes. I, 1062 01:24:14,039 --> 01:24:17,600 you know, I found some revelations some of the facts that he stated that 1063 01:24:17,920 --> 01:24:23,600 uh, that I never knew about, uh, but that I promised I 1064 01:24:23,600 --> 01:24:29,760 wouldn't talk about. But doctor Haynes and uh, doctor Westrom made me feel 1065 01:24:29,800 --> 01:24:33,960 so much better about what I what I had seen. But the thing that 1066 01:24:34,079 --> 01:24:39,199 fascinated me the most was I wondered that when I saw this and what I 1067 01:24:39,319 --> 01:24:44,079 felt, And then discussing with Colonel Halt what he felt when he saw what 1068 01:24:44,119 --> 01:24:49,680 he saw and rends him and how he's more at peace. He seems more 1069 01:24:49,680 --> 01:24:53,560 at peace at what he saw than I am, you know, at peace 1070 01:24:53,600 --> 01:24:56,880 at what I saw. Wow, Hey, we have we have two callers 1071 01:24:56,960 --> 01:25:00,720 on waiting now, okay, so why don't we yet? I had some 1072 01:25:00,760 --> 01:25:05,600 really nice conversations in person with Charles Holt uh down there and uh so and 1073 01:25:05,920 --> 01:25:10,279 I can't believe it. They're both from North Carolina. And uh we have 1074 01:25:11,520 --> 01:25:15,359 Bobby who I actually met Bobby at your conference. Bobby, welcome to the 1075 01:25:15,359 --> 01:25:19,960 show. Hey, how you doing, Martin? I'm doing well. Thanks 1076 01:25:19,960 --> 01:25:24,680 for thanks for calling. This is a Kent is responsible for you and I 1077 01:25:24,760 --> 01:25:30,359 hanging out together. Yeah, yeah, well him in his beautiful family Um, 1078 01:25:30,359 --> 01:25:33,760 it was a great, great experience for me. I mean, Charles 1079 01:25:33,800 --> 01:25:38,319 House was there, they guy doing the aerial movie. I got to speak 1080 01:25:38,319 --> 01:25:40,680 to him for a while. He was there. What's what's his name again? 1081 01:25:41,000 --> 01:25:45,319 That's Randall Nickers. Yeah, yeah, Randal and uh. I mean 1082 01:25:45,600 --> 01:25:49,279 after the show on Saturday, I sat down and I got Timothy Good his 1083 01:25:49,399 --> 01:25:51,880 first corona with limes. We actually had to wait for the limes. So 1084 01:25:51,920 --> 01:25:56,039 I had a great time. Oh yeah, I joined you. I joined 1085 01:25:56,039 --> 01:25:59,560 you in that. I thought, Uh, Timothy was a real nice guy. 1086 01:25:59,640 --> 01:26:00,760 His some of his theories are a little bit out there, but he's 1087 01:26:00,800 --> 01:26:05,840 a nice guy. Smart too. I've actually had a couple of his books. 1088 01:26:06,520 --> 01:26:10,800 Yes he is. Um, I want to tell you if, mister 1089 01:26:10,960 --> 01:26:14,399 Center, I've actually had a lot of sightings. I moved here from Miami 1090 01:26:14,399 --> 01:26:16,560 in nineteen ninety five and I'm in central North Carolina, a little town called 1091 01:26:16,640 --> 01:26:25,439 Meppen and you're right down the street. I'm in Burlington. Oh okay, 1092 01:26:25,760 --> 01:26:29,800 we need to get together, and asked him. Um. One of the 1093 01:26:29,840 --> 01:26:31,640 sightings I had a couple of years ago, I was on the back deck 1094 01:26:31,960 --> 01:26:35,720 of Daytime sighting with my daughter and she said, Dad, what's that I 1095 01:26:35,800 --> 01:26:40,720 look up and it was. It was just a cylindrical craft. It was 1096 01:26:40,760 --> 01:26:46,000 brilliant white, and it was heading south skis. It was at least forty 1097 01:26:46,039 --> 01:26:50,479 thousand feet high or hot there, and at that height, if I'm correct, 1098 01:26:50,520 --> 01:26:54,640 it was large to an airliner. It was completely silent. If it 1099 01:26:54,680 --> 01:26:56,560 had been an airliner, I would have heard it, because I mean it 1100 01:26:56,600 --> 01:27:00,159 was it was large. I mean, holding your hand out, it was 1101 01:27:00,159 --> 01:27:01,960 probably about the size of a dime or bigger. So it's large, and 1102 01:27:02,000 --> 01:27:05,039 I know, I'm pretty sure it's a really high altitude, but it's that's 1103 01:27:05,079 --> 01:27:11,920 just identical to the March sighting in uh twenty eighteen. Of the two pilots 1104 01:27:11,920 --> 01:27:15,800 over Arizona, or one pilot asked the other probot he saw anything, and 1105 01:27:15,840 --> 01:27:19,399 as objects flew over their two planes, Yeah, same exact thing. So 1106 01:27:19,640 --> 01:27:26,399 wow about that thing. Hey, hey, hey, Bobby, thanks thanks 1107 01:27:26,439 --> 01:27:30,520 so much. We have another caller. Thanks for calling in and it was 1108 01:27:30,560 --> 01:27:32,520 a pleasure to meet you down there, and we've been actually in touch ever 1109 01:27:32,600 --> 01:27:36,600 since. So I was really glad that happened. I have one I did 1110 01:27:36,720 --> 01:27:40,479 want to tell him one more thing, go ahead, sure, Yeah, 1111 01:27:40,520 --> 01:27:45,359 there's actually there's actually a video out of a hotel in Canada where a guy 1112 01:27:45,439 --> 01:27:47,560 had he worked at the hotel. He had a UFO a close up UFO 1113 01:27:47,720 --> 01:27:51,359 event, and two men in black showed up to the hotel to look for 1114 01:27:51,439 --> 01:27:56,000 him, but he wasn't there that day. But there's actually a security camera 1115 01:27:56,119 --> 01:28:00,279 video at the front of the hotel and these guys were tall, weird looking 1116 01:28:00,880 --> 01:28:03,840 dress just like he mister Center described black, very tall, and they were 1117 01:28:03,840 --> 01:28:06,600 both on chemicals. So you could actually find that video on YouTube. Thank 1118 01:28:06,640 --> 01:28:11,239 you like black suits. Yeah all right, Bobby, Hey, take care 1119 01:28:12,680 --> 01:28:17,079 that that that YouTube film. Actually I found that after the conference. I 1120 01:28:17,159 --> 01:28:21,439 saw that online and somebody had called me about it, and Uh, the 1121 01:28:21,479 --> 01:28:26,479 funny thing was, that's kind of what they looked like. They were just 1122 01:28:27,119 --> 01:28:29,920 they had like, I don't know if you could tell it in that, 1123 01:28:30,000 --> 01:28:34,600 but their skin was almost like a sea through milky white. But they had. 1124 01:28:34,760 --> 01:28:40,399 Uh, the short guy that I said that did the talking is the 1125 01:28:40,560 --> 01:28:45,319 spitting image of in Nick Redford's book Men in Black. There's a picture that 1126 01:28:45,399 --> 01:28:49,119 somebody took of this guy standing on the side of the street leaning against the 1127 01:28:49,159 --> 01:28:55,720 building, and I swear that's the same man that came in and did the 1128 01:28:55,840 --> 01:29:00,800 talking to me. And that picture was taken so long ago. Creepy. 1129 01:29:00,960 --> 01:29:04,479 Uh, such a creepy thing. You know, there's there's so many people 1130 01:29:04,520 --> 01:29:11,119 that are talking about having these experiences with these Uh it's it's hard to ignore. 1131 01:29:11,159 --> 01:29:15,439 You can't ignore it. We have another caller calling from North Carolina. 1132 01:29:15,479 --> 01:29:17,520 Again. We have Greg on the air. Greg, welcome to the show. 1133 01:29:17,560 --> 01:29:21,239 You have a question for our guests, Sure, sure, hi, 1134 01:29:21,399 --> 01:29:28,239 Martin, how you're doing good? Good? Yeah? I had a question 1135 01:29:28,279 --> 01:29:34,239 about um, the men in black situations and just wondering if you ever were 1136 01:29:34,279 --> 01:29:40,159 able to determine as the police officer's head. And you know, I still 1137 01:29:40,199 --> 01:29:44,479 haven't gotten I've actually made three attempts to get down there speak with the public 1138 01:29:44,520 --> 01:29:46,840 relations to see if I can get some help, and they always seem to 1139 01:29:46,840 --> 01:29:51,479 be busy at the time. But I'm about ready to go back to my 1140 01:29:51,520 --> 01:29:56,960 friend again and get some help from him to kind of maybe push that door 1141 01:29:57,000 --> 01:30:02,000 open because I've just u yes, every you know, it seemed like every 1142 01:30:02,000 --> 01:30:05,680 time it's just a waste of time going downtown and checking checking with them. 1143 01:30:05,680 --> 01:30:11,359 I just keeps getting getting getting blown off. But uh, yeah, I 1144 01:30:11,479 --> 01:30:15,880 really do want to finish that up. How many years ago was that ken 1145 01:30:17,319 --> 01:30:21,760 Well, that happened in nineteen ninety three, Uh is when the actual incident 1146 01:30:21,960 --> 01:30:27,119 occurred. It was in nineteen ninety three. It was in May ninety three, 1147 01:30:27,159 --> 01:30:30,039 at the end of May. Okay, Greg, you have any other 1148 01:30:30,119 --> 01:30:34,079 questions or comments? Uh no, that was it. I was just wondering 1149 01:30:34,119 --> 01:30:38,920 about that because it was a very compelling story about the man in black hesitation, 1150 01:30:39,439 --> 01:30:43,439 and yeah, you know several of them, and that one was very 1151 01:30:43,600 --> 01:30:48,039 uh very interesting. It's it scared me. I tell you, I stopped 1152 01:30:48,079 --> 01:30:54,880 investigating for probably about four or five years there. Uh really, it really 1153 01:30:54,880 --> 01:31:00,039 shook me up pretty bad. Imagine. Yeah, that certainly. But I 1154 01:31:00,119 --> 01:31:06,640 appreciate the uh the show we watched all the time and might thanks. I 1155 01:31:06,680 --> 01:31:13,359 appreciate the call. Okay, all right, we have lines are open again. 1156 01:31:13,479 --> 01:31:16,760 Anyone can call in. That's eight five five four seven two five four 1157 01:31:16,840 --> 01:31:21,439 eight three. What were you saying, Kent? Uh? That's uh that 1158 01:31:21,439 --> 01:31:28,079 that whole m ib thing was just um. Like I say, I actually 1159 01:31:28,399 --> 01:31:31,439 stopped investigating for a while, and anytime a case were to be called to 1160 01:31:31,479 --> 01:31:34,439 me, I would just refer it down to somebody else. I was, 1161 01:31:36,239 --> 01:31:41,159 you know, one thing I forgot to mention is I sat in my chair, 1162 01:31:42,239 --> 01:31:45,119 I felt like an electric shock in my uh, in my stomach. 1163 01:31:45,720 --> 01:31:53,079 It's like I was being some type of electrical force coming in my stomach and 1164 01:31:53,119 --> 01:31:57,199 I wasn't I wasn't scared at the time. I was very curious, you 1165 01:31:57,239 --> 01:32:00,239 know, but I just felt it centered on my stomach. And I was 1166 01:32:00,279 --> 01:32:05,640 talking to Randall about that, and he noticed when he was filming, they 1167 01:32:05,800 --> 01:32:11,800 really harassed him. The helicopters flew over and one jet flew over. But 1168 01:32:12,399 --> 01:32:15,720 he was explaining that when the Camo guys out there at Area fifty one, 1169 01:32:15,560 --> 01:32:19,600 when they it gets towards dusk and everything go back away and then the military 1170 01:32:19,720 --> 01:32:27,359 shows up, and whoever his connection was out there was telling the distance you 1171 01:32:27,399 --> 01:32:32,640 need to stay back just to be safe. And from where he was filming, 1172 01:32:32,680 --> 01:32:36,920 he said he still felt like he was being you know, something was 1173 01:32:38,000 --> 01:32:43,319 hitting him and making him feel nauseated, and he had like an electrical tingling 1174 01:32:43,399 --> 01:32:49,000 feeling. But bizarre. I you know, I've had doctor Western asked me 1175 01:32:49,039 --> 01:32:55,359 one time about being hypnotized to go through this, and I've always veered away 1176 01:32:55,399 --> 01:32:59,039 from that. I've heard so much. I mean, there's a positive comes 1177 01:32:59,039 --> 01:33:00,880 out of it, but there's also all this negativity about it. You know, 1178 01:33:01,720 --> 01:33:03,760 it has to be the right person, you know, the one of 1179 01:33:03,840 --> 01:33:06,560 the things in your head and everything. You know. I'm just always, 1180 01:33:08,079 --> 01:33:12,000 yeah, I've always had been under the assumption I'm just gonna let my mind 1181 01:33:12,399 --> 01:33:18,119 whatever comes out comes out, you know, Like I forgot the guy that 1182 01:33:18,279 --> 01:33:24,359 was in training with me. I did call him to see if they showed 1183 01:33:24,399 --> 01:33:29,159 up at his house or anything, but this was years after the fact. 1184 01:33:29,359 --> 01:33:34,279 It's as if I just blacked out of that whole scenario, you know, 1185 01:33:34,359 --> 01:33:41,600 and didn't want to talk about it, and and I remembered more and more 1186 01:33:41,600 --> 01:33:46,079 as time came by on my own. So there's been a couple of other 1187 01:33:46,600 --> 01:33:53,279 sightings I've had that I don't want to really go public with. It's it's 1188 01:33:50,880 --> 01:33:57,560 uh yet that I will, but I'll probably write about it. But one 1189 01:33:57,600 --> 01:34:00,039 of the walls being in the car and next thing i know, I'm not 1190 01:34:00,159 --> 01:34:02,760 even I was on driving on the Interstate, and next thing I know, 1191 01:34:02,800 --> 01:34:11,479 I'm not even on the Interstate. And having a sighting of this craft taking 1192 01:34:11,520 --> 01:34:15,520 off is all I can remember. But one thing I do have is that 1193 01:34:15,640 --> 01:34:19,800 when it first occurred, the glass blew out of the back my back window. 1194 01:34:19,880 --> 01:34:25,279 My whole back window blew out. And when you're driving on the Interstate, 1195 01:34:25,319 --> 01:34:29,159 and when glass blows, it just got sucked all the way up to 1196 01:34:29,239 --> 01:34:33,159 my dashboard. And I'm on the Interstate driving late at night, and this 1197 01:34:33,319 --> 01:34:39,520 glass came flying towards the front of my car. I a just loud explosion, 1198 01:34:39,720 --> 01:34:43,399 and I just closed my eyes and slowed down naturally. And when I 1199 01:34:43,439 --> 01:34:46,479 did, and my eyes and was brushing, you know, just in case 1200 01:34:46,520 --> 01:34:50,520 there was glass slows around my eyes and brushing away from my eyes. And 1201 01:34:50,560 --> 01:34:54,000 when I did ope my eyes, I wasn't even on the Interstate I was 1202 01:34:54,079 --> 01:34:57,520 on. It was basically rode out in the country about a mile and a 1203 01:34:57,560 --> 01:35:00,319 half off the Interstate. And U The other funny thing was I had a 1204 01:35:00,359 --> 01:35:04,319 dog that was in the very back of the car. Uh, and the 1205 01:35:04,439 --> 01:35:09,640 dog was then it was in the seat next to me, laying down a 1206 01:35:09,680 --> 01:35:15,640 sleep and it was just really strange. But that's the doctor Western ask about 1207 01:35:15,640 --> 01:35:19,359 being hypnotized, and I just I just don't want to do that yet, 1208 01:35:19,600 --> 01:35:24,880 you know. Uh, maybe the way on if I get really sick, 1209 01:35:26,159 --> 01:35:31,960 Uh, maybe I'll push the issue. But I just found mind to go 1210 01:35:32,000 --> 01:35:38,119 ahead find out on its own, so right, doctor westrom Um, I 1211 01:35:38,239 --> 01:35:45,199 believe he's involved in the UFO data uh which actually possibly. Yeah, I 1212 01:35:45,239 --> 01:35:48,199 know he's getting up there in age. I hate to talk about people. 1213 01:35:48,760 --> 01:35:51,880 Yeah, he's I think he was in his eighties when he came and spoke 1214 01:35:51,920 --> 01:35:58,199 with us. But fascinating man. Yes, real nice man, real nice 1215 01:35:58,239 --> 01:36:01,319 gentleman came up and gave me a big hug after that little private meeting with 1216 01:36:01,399 --> 01:36:06,199 doctor Haynes. And I may be thinking that I was alone the wrong person 1217 01:36:08,039 --> 01:36:12,560 in particular, but I also wanted to know we do have, hopefully from 1218 01:36:12,720 --> 01:36:17,399 UFO data. We have someone coming in for that show that's going to be 1219 01:36:17,680 --> 01:36:21,399 hopefully on the twenty second of this month. And on that same show, 1220 01:36:21,439 --> 01:36:26,640 we're gonna have doctor Seth shaw Stack from the SETI Project. He's going to 1221 01:36:26,680 --> 01:36:29,000 be on the same show in the latter part of it. We're not really 1222 01:36:29,000 --> 01:36:30,680 going to be debating UFOs, but we're going to be talking about him. 1223 01:36:30,680 --> 01:36:35,399 I want to hear what his thoughts are these days. Ever since the Yea 1224 01:36:35,720 --> 01:36:40,920 Pentagon has you know, admitted to checking in UFOs out and all that, 1225 01:36:41,079 --> 01:36:45,319 So we'll see what he has to say. He gets a little intimidated by 1226 01:36:45,680 --> 01:36:48,479 uh not intimidating. He's not in a person you can intimidate, but he 1227 01:36:48,560 --> 01:36:54,520 does not like to talk UFOs too much. Well, you know, I 1228 01:36:54,920 --> 01:37:00,239 learned from doctor Haynes. You know, how can it really affect those their 1229 01:37:00,279 --> 01:37:03,800 field by coming out on this subject that was a sensitivity. As a matter 1230 01:37:03,800 --> 01:37:08,359 of fact, a lot of people don't know. Uh. Yeah, on 1231 01:37:08,560 --> 01:37:13,760 my I have the conference DVD that I did is called the Scholars Collection, 1232 01:37:13,840 --> 01:37:17,079 all the speakers, and they would not sign off on it if I put 1233 01:37:17,079 --> 01:37:21,680 Timothy Good in there, so I had to run a separate DVD for Timothy 1234 01:37:21,720 --> 01:37:28,920 Good in order in order to get there. I had these wanted to down. 1235 01:37:29,039 --> 01:37:30,439 At the last minute, they were going to back down and not even 1236 01:37:30,479 --> 01:37:36,600 come. And uh actually Nancy Talbot saved the day because she was friends with 1237 01:37:38,359 --> 01:37:44,359 uh Timothy Good. Unless you promised not to speak about aliens because they were 1238 01:37:44,399 --> 01:37:46,000 their governments won't allow them to come. He said, no, I won't. 1239 01:37:46,880 --> 01:37:50,119 And when I picked him up at the airport, first thing out of 1240 01:37:50,119 --> 01:37:58,119 his mouth, I'm going to talk about aliens watch this and he did so. 1241 01:37:58,920 --> 01:38:00,920 Yeah, I remember me, And I'm sure it's three thousand dollars for 1242 01:38:01,000 --> 01:38:08,119 production of another video. But God towards the ends there when we do do 1243 01:38:08,279 --> 01:38:14,720 the the I actually give these DVDs away for the cost of whatever the postage 1244 01:38:14,800 --> 01:38:17,960 to mail up to you. But anybody interested in in this, Uh, 1245 01:38:18,239 --> 01:38:21,520 my whole purpose was to get this out into the public. I sent this 1246 01:38:21,640 --> 01:38:26,119 off to schools. I sent us to the universities. Uh. Well, 1247 01:38:26,159 --> 01:38:29,119 while you're on the subject, why don't you give out information how people can 1248 01:38:29,119 --> 01:38:33,239 get a hold of you for that? Yeah, it's uh. I've closed 1249 01:38:33,279 --> 01:38:38,279 my website down, but I do have a Facebook page. It's the c 1250 01:38:38,560 --> 01:38:44,800 U f O r NCU at gmail dot com. Say that one more time. 1251 01:38:45,000 --> 01:38:51,800 It's c U f O r NC like Q four North Carolina's cu FO 1252 01:38:53,119 --> 01:38:57,600 r n C at gmail dot com. If you send me an email, 1253 01:38:58,000 --> 01:39:01,479 UM and just want to mail me the postage on it, I will mail 1254 01:39:01,680 --> 01:39:06,560 a copy of this no charge out. It's a good group of speakers. 1255 01:39:06,960 --> 01:39:13,680 I'll say that I would have never been more impressed by any speakers anywhere than 1256 01:39:13,720 --> 01:39:18,279 I was with that conference. You know, I think of I just wanted 1257 01:39:18,319 --> 01:39:21,479 the truth to get out and be taken seriously. You know, when I 1258 01:39:21,560 --> 01:39:26,199 had the media come, I just wanted it not to be viewed with a 1259 01:39:26,279 --> 01:39:30,840 taboo. It was always viewed. I wanted to see actual scientist. Elislie 1260 01:39:31,600 --> 01:39:35,560 was so helpful she could come, such a good friend and helped me throw 1261 01:39:35,640 --> 01:39:43,359 this group together. Yeah, and Timothy, he was one of the first 1262 01:39:43,439 --> 01:39:46,439 conferences speakers that I went to speak, So he was the first one I 1263 01:39:46,600 --> 01:39:54,079 asked to come. And after I did that, I found out maybe it 1264 01:39:54,159 --> 01:39:57,520 wasn't such a good idea of the rest of them, but I was impressed. 1265 01:39:57,720 --> 01:40:01,760 I went to the MUFUN Cherry Hill, New Jersey in twenty fourteen, 1266 01:40:02,479 --> 01:40:10,079 and uh, doctor Stephen Bassett came up to me and was so upset and 1267 01:40:10,279 --> 01:40:13,000 he was like, how did you get them to come to your conference? 1268 01:40:13,479 --> 01:40:16,199 Because he tried to get him to come to his uh you know, that 1269 01:40:16,720 --> 01:40:21,079 big hearing thing he had up in Washington, and they wouldn't they wouldn't attend, 1270 01:40:21,239 --> 01:40:27,640 and uh uh they came and spoke at mind. But he was a 1271 01:40:27,720 --> 01:40:32,039 little a little upset about that. But whatever way the word has to get 1272 01:40:32,079 --> 01:40:36,800 out, you know, I just you know North Carolina actually we hosted the 1273 01:40:38,840 --> 01:40:45,760 nineteen ninety six MUFON conference where uh doctor Mack was one of the speakers there. 1274 01:40:46,600 --> 01:40:51,239 Luckily enough to get to meet him and uh, doctor Lear was there 1275 01:40:51,359 --> 01:40:57,359 and we had some good speakers back then. But North Carolina's got a good 1276 01:40:57,479 --> 01:41:01,560 group. Uh. You know, we used to have one hundred and fifty 1277 01:41:01,560 --> 01:41:06,479 people come to our meetings ever every meeting, and uh, I think ever 1278 01:41:06,640 --> 01:41:14,159 since, I think they ever since the whole John Ventory deal went down with 1279 01:41:14,319 --> 01:41:20,239 MUFON and uh I personally, you know, emailed Jan and asked Jan to 1280 01:41:20,359 --> 01:41:26,520 please disassociate, you know, from Ufon's sake. Uh, you can't have 1281 01:41:26,640 --> 01:41:30,720 your national spokesman out there Saitan stuff like this. It's it's gonna, you 1282 01:41:30,760 --> 01:41:35,239 know, gonna hurt MUFON and uh and Lakida Adams was our state director and 1283 01:41:35,640 --> 01:41:43,880 um it just it was sad because it Lakida lost interest. Uh. We 1284 01:41:44,039 --> 01:41:46,680 never had to pay for stuff like like you do now with the brochures and 1285 01:41:46,800 --> 01:41:51,399 stuff. When when I started MUFON out, they would send us. We 1286 01:41:51,479 --> 01:41:56,359 got a good group together, and they're we've stopped having the big meetings. 1287 01:41:56,439 --> 01:42:01,279 We have about thirty of us get together for you us together. H And 1288 01:42:01,640 --> 01:42:05,760 every every so a few years, I'll throw a conference on draws. A 1289 01:42:05,840 --> 01:42:11,359 good gathering, but uh I had as many in two thousand and sixteen, 1290 01:42:11,600 --> 01:42:14,640 show up just about it. I did this big conference I had in twenty 1291 01:42:14,920 --> 01:42:19,359 thirteen. Uh So there's a god's a big following here in North Carolina people 1292 01:42:19,479 --> 01:42:25,479 interested in this subject. And uh I just tended a class in January at 1293 01:42:25,560 --> 01:42:34,000 Duke uh On UFOs by David Halperin gave this class. Uh so religion professor. 1294 01:42:35,319 --> 01:42:41,880 But uh he's back with uh before, you know, with Timothy Green 1295 01:42:42,000 --> 01:42:46,119 and back back in their early uh fifties and sixties with a Gray Barker and 1296 01:42:46,199 --> 01:42:50,520 all that. So he's got a lot of history in the UFOs. But 1297 01:42:51,840 --> 01:42:59,119 now is that that Mike getting back? My conference actually spurred uh Lakida gave 1298 01:42:59,159 --> 01:43:01,000 out, went out to a couple of colleges and gave talk. So I 1299 01:43:01,159 --> 01:43:09,119 was asked to. I've given talks to five high schools classes. Yeah, 1300 01:43:09,439 --> 01:43:14,720 it really did a lot to to push the issue out there and bring to 1301 01:43:14,840 --> 01:43:19,319 people's attention. Wow wow, Now we only have about five minutes left, 1302 01:43:19,399 --> 01:43:23,039 just to let you know, Okay, so if anyone wants to call in, 1303 01:43:23,119 --> 01:43:26,840 it's a last call for a call and that number is eight five five 1304 01:43:27,039 --> 01:43:32,560 four seven two five four eight three floor forever hold your piece. Now getting 1305 01:43:32,600 --> 01:43:36,039 back, you know, someone's posting on the chat room that you know, 1306 01:43:36,159 --> 01:43:43,680 John Ventry is still very involved in moufon. I thought I heard something about 1307 01:43:43,760 --> 01:43:48,279 that, but I thought he was out. But that's what That's what pretty 1308 01:43:48,359 --> 01:43:51,800 much has caused this abandiment of I mean, there's still a mufon chapter, 1309 01:43:51,920 --> 01:43:56,640 but it's not like it was. There's no really, we don't have a 1310 01:43:56,720 --> 01:44:00,640 website anymore or anything. I don't belong to mufon anymore. Uh. Look, 1311 01:44:00,680 --> 01:44:04,319 he has backed out. It's it's it's it did its damage. Um, 1312 01:44:05,159 --> 01:44:09,600 and I hate it because I've worked so hard all these years, you 1313 01:44:09,680 --> 01:44:13,119 know, and uh, you hear these stories he's out, he's in, 1314 01:44:13,239 --> 01:44:15,680 he's out, and you know, I hate to say, but I think 1315 01:44:15,720 --> 01:44:18,560 it just comes down to a money thing. You know. Just someone else 1316 01:44:18,640 --> 01:44:23,399 said that online. Um, I've read something about that. I don't know, 1317 01:44:23,560 --> 01:44:27,479 maybe six months ago, you know that. I mean, I can't 1318 01:44:27,520 --> 01:44:30,880 money, I can't. You know, I'm not an accountant, I'm not 1319 01:44:30,960 --> 01:44:33,159 in their books, so I can't make that accusation. But it's what's what 1320 01:44:33,319 --> 01:44:38,279 I've heard, and it's going around and I've heard of an outrageous salary that 1321 01:44:38,319 --> 01:44:42,720 he makes monthly. Jan makes monthly and it's just for all the people that 1322 01:44:42,920 --> 01:44:46,800 do hard work and good There were so many good people in in mew Fun 1323 01:44:47,079 --> 01:44:53,039 that works so hard and so diligently, and there's no science anymore, there's 1324 01:44:53,119 --> 01:44:57,560 no This is why I push everybody to Richard Hoffman. He's fantastic, right, 1325 01:44:58,079 --> 01:45:00,279 you know, and his scientific group that I mean, this is the 1326 01:45:00,319 --> 01:45:05,920 way you're going to come about the discoveries through science, and even our science 1327 01:45:06,520 --> 01:45:12,199 probably couldn't keep up with whoever these are. But uh, but that's the 1328 01:45:12,319 --> 01:45:16,319 only way that really, you know, can really solve his cases. Just 1329 01:45:16,439 --> 01:45:20,800 he to come right out when the government's come right out and uh, or 1330 01:45:21,000 --> 01:45:25,840 science itself, you know, and uh, he really just one thing that 1331 01:45:25,920 --> 01:45:31,479 impressed me about I really don't think the government knows all all that the people 1332 01:45:31,600 --> 01:45:39,079 think they know. I really don't. Yeah, and I'm fascinating. Like 1333 01:45:39,239 --> 01:45:45,560 France and Chile, for instance, they have their own organizations that are paid 1334 01:45:45,640 --> 01:45:49,960 for by the government that take this seriously, and they seriously will tell you 1335 01:45:50,319 --> 01:45:56,079 these crafts exist. They always have. And one of Jose's things was that 1336 01:45:56,439 --> 01:46:00,000 with sepha Is that he wanted to make sure to try to get the United 1337 01:46:00,079 --> 01:46:05,119 States to help them understand you know, is this your craft or are we 1338 01:46:05,560 --> 01:46:10,399 looking at something that's coming from somewhere else. You know, what they want 1339 01:46:10,439 --> 01:46:14,199 the United States, it's help and be more open and cannot believe like a 1340 01:46:14,319 --> 01:46:17,600 pilots couldn't talk about it. And there's so many countries that do allow, 1341 01:46:18,199 --> 01:46:23,439 you know, the exposure and for them to be free to talk about it. 1342 01:46:23,600 --> 01:46:27,000 But it's like the Chicago hare incident, you know, I mean, 1343 01:46:27,079 --> 01:46:31,159 if a tire blows up on a runway or a bolt falls off a plane 1344 01:46:31,159 --> 01:46:34,319 as it's on takeoff, you know, they got to clean the runway, 1345 01:46:34,319 --> 01:46:38,800 they got to follow report of FA and everything. And here's this craft that 1346 01:46:38,840 --> 01:46:45,680 wants to sit above the yeah, and and and there's nothing, nothing out 1347 01:46:45,680 --> 01:46:50,079 of FA. I mean, come on, you know everybody can see now 1348 01:46:50,119 --> 01:46:56,119 with the United States Navy is doing and announcing all this, all this distrust 1349 01:46:56,199 --> 01:47:00,439 they had with the government, they were right, you know that this stuff 1350 01:47:00,479 --> 01:47:03,760 has been hidden and they're coming out little by little more and more. You 1351 01:47:03,840 --> 01:47:09,319 know, it's a good thing Tom's done about that, Louise. Not that 1352 01:47:09,439 --> 01:47:13,359 they have all the answers or know everything, you know, and maybe this 1353 01:47:13,640 --> 01:47:17,520 is a in a way to get some attention, but at least it's a 1354 01:47:17,600 --> 01:47:21,880 start. At least it helped uncover this much so far. That's I don't 1355 01:47:21,880 --> 01:47:27,720 think anyone can disagree with that, I really know. But we are out 1356 01:47:27,760 --> 01:47:31,439 of time, so if you could once again give out your Facebook page, 1357 01:47:31,479 --> 01:47:38,680 if you could. Yeah, that's c U f O r n C at 1358 01:47:38,760 --> 01:47:42,960 gmail dot com. That's how you find it. That's the that's the that's 1359 01:47:43,000 --> 01:47:47,720 the website, and and my Gmail and the Facebook page is a Center for 1360 01:47:48,000 --> 01:47:54,920 UFO Research North Carolina. Thanks so much on Facebook. I can't believe the 1361 01:47:55,000 --> 01:47:58,439 time would buy so fast. Thanks so much. And you take care and 1362 01:47:58,640 --> 01:48:01,159 to stay healthy as you can. Thank you so much, Martin, and 1363 01:48:01,319 --> 01:48:04,359 gotta bless you. And yeah, keep it up, keep up the good 1364 01:48:04,399 --> 01:48:08,479 work, all right, take care, bye bye, all right everyone, 1365 01:48:08,560 --> 01:48:13,359 that's it for the show. Next week we have Kevin Day and Gary Voris 1366 01:48:13,960 --> 01:48:15,600 coming on, and thanks so much for listening. We have to go, 1367 01:48:16,159 --> 01:48:19,439 so keep your eyes to the sky and we'll see you next week.