Hello, and welcome to the show. I'm Martin Willis your host, and
we have a great show for you this evening. I met the gentleman that
is our guest tonight several years ago, and while I met him, I
ran into Alejandro Rojas for the first time, and he'll be coming up with
the UFO updates first before our guests. I do want to thank everyone that
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to the show. You know, just coming up in two weeks, it's
going to be our eighth year anniversary. I can't even believe it, and
I might as well have Alajandro jump in. Now, Alejandro, how are
you good? An? How are you doing good? When did you when
that was twenty thirteen, right when you and I met at I believe that's
when the we met down in um North Carolina. Yeah, that sounds right.
I know Kent well know better, but it sounds right. Yeah.
And that was I think one of the best conferences. I mean, you
know, we go to a lot of conferences, but I loved it because
I thought the lineup was remarkable. Now, Leslie Kane, I know,
got to help him with that, but there was I mean, we got
some really important interviews from that that, you know, or some interviews we
weren't able to get anywhere else. Francois I think his name was, I
can't remember the right now, the guy who was running Jay pon the UFR
program in France at the time, General de Brauer, who was the guy
who investigated the triangles in the nineteen nineties. Those were a couple of big
ones. We've interviewed him several times. But the international representative of Sea Chili's
official UFO OR organization was there, and another number of other really important people.
That was a remarkable conference. And yeah, that's where you and I
met because there weren't many people, uh there there were, you know,
compared to you some of the other really large winters, quite a few for
the space. But you and I were there, and that was a ton
of fun getting to know you, and hey, look what happened. That's
right, that's right. Yeah, I remember. I remember trying to pronounce
your first name. I had trouble with your name, and uh yeah,
I think I remember that we spent some time there trying to trying to crane
you had to say my name, that's right. But yeah, there was
a lot of great people there. I met Randy Nickerson, I remember,
that's the first time I met him. And Leslie Kane of course, and
Charles Halt. Although it was just it was a wonderful time, really really
fun. Yep, it was great. And so what is going on with
you with me or UFO news? Well, I don't know if you want
to talk about you. Everyone knows that you were moving last and moving out
of your house and you had to hurry so you couldn't be there last week.
So you're just a busy guy. Yep. Been crazy busy, but
it's been a lot of good stuff, exciting stuff. Of course, I
didn't have a show this week, as any of your list mine listeners who
we listen to hear a show, which is quite a few, will know,
so I apologize for that. But I'll have a week show up next
week. Of course, I'm here with you, and then I'm gonna be
talking with Lee Spiegel tomorrow on his show, so that will be a lot
of fun. Otherwise, I guess new a couple of new things, and
this is kind of funny. I was thinking of this just now, and
I would love to hear your thoughts. And I don't know, maybe I
talk about this too much, but I'm not the only one talking about this
stuff. I was just about to talk about this, you know. One
of the few stories that have been out and actually the last week, which
is this New York Times article about Tom DeLong, and it features an interview
not just with Tom DeLong but also with Louise Elizondo. So this is a
big deal. It's New York Times. Tom DeLong, of course, is
the rock star who used to work or play with Lincoln Two. Now he's
touring actually right now with his band Angels and Airwaves and Louise Elazando used to
run the Pentagon program. And I don't know why, and I shouldn't feel
this way, and it's kind of it's bad. It doesn't say much for
UFO research. I kind of tweeted about it yesterday, but I almost,
for some reason, feel a little self conscious about saying positive things about Tom
and lou And I shouldn't feel that way. I mean, there's no reason
to feel that way. It's just there's so many haters out there that you
know, I know, and I think it's maybe almost like PTSD. I
prepare shell shock. I prepare myself, you know, for this barrage of
negativity, you know, just saying something positive about these guys. Yeah,
you know, someone sent me just a tweet or something yesterday that you're a
little bit of a battle, and yeah, I get that. I see
that happening. So yeah, I mean I don't and it's not at my
end. And that's what I was writing about. You know, people keep
saying, you know, as if people are choosing sides or like, you
know, everything's about who won this side or that side, and most of
us don't feel like we're on a side. I'm not on any side at
all. I'm covering news and information. You know, you have this rock
star, started this great organization that's getting a lot of news out, that's
been literally instrumental in getting the Navy. And really, if this wouldn't have
happened, the Navy probably wouldn't have come out, they wouldn't have talked about
UFOs at all like they have in the last few months. And that's also
you know, Tom Delung provided the space and luckily, you know, things
worked out where Luilsanda was able to come out from working at the Pentagon and
work with Tom and have this space with other professionals to do some of the
extraordinary work that they're doing. But what they're doing is really important. And
I don't understand why, you know, the hate, especially you know,
why we need to or so many some feel that we need to kind of
what feels like to me, just you know, blindly hate these people and
assume that they're up to something negative. And you know, we've seen this
trend. This happened to Bob Bigelow, you know, a billionaire who came
into the field. I think it happens with a lot of people who have
are prominent or have money, and it's an interesting thing. I'd still like
to break that down and try to figure out, you know, what it
is. Maybe it's just the innate, you know, kind of skepticism or
cynicism of people who are interested in this topic. But I think there's also
the silent masses that the many, many people out there who are interested,
who listen to our shows, for example, and they want information and they
want news, and they don't really have a horse in the race either,
except that they're excited to hear more about the topic and more credible information about
the topic. And I think to learn more about the topic, and that's
what I believe that Tom and Lou are facilitating. And you know, when
you look at this New York Times article, and this is my whole point,
it's a great article. It's very good. I think that the answers
at Tom and Lou Gabe were very good. They were grounded, They were
careful to say, especially Lou, we don't know what you know is going
on out there. We just know that there's a phenomena and we're investigating it.
Some of the headlines due to this New York Times article are things such
as this this is from Science Alert. Alien research groups started by when any
two singer says it's found exotic UFO material, and that's a more accurate way
to put it. Others have said, you know, they found material from
UFOs, or they found alien material, or some of these other things that
just go very much too far, where Lou was very careful to say these
are unknown, And hopefully the writer of the headline that I just read understands
that UFO means unknown, and in that sense it's accurate because they, like
Lu said, we're following the data and we'll see where the data takes us.
But so far, you know, there's reasons for us to think that
this material that we have is interesting. So it's a great article. I
think that demonstrates there is serious research going on in this field, that there
are credible people who take this mystery seriously, and that there's investigation and research
going on to try to figure it all out. And for that reason,
and one other thing to note, I think about this New York Times article.
It's not written by the same people who wrote the really groundbreaking article that
really broke things open, and in fact, out of those three people who
wrote that original article, in December twenty seventeen, Ralph Bloomenthal and Leslie Kane
and Helene Cooper. Two of those people, Bloomenthal and Kane. Kane,
of course, who were referred to it, helped out this North Carolina conference
you guys will be talking about. But they're very familiar with the UFO phenomena
and have written about the UFO phenomena. As far as I know, I
don't know that this this gentleman who wrote this New York Times article, Derek
Bryson Taylor, this new one that just came out. I think it came
out, like, you know, just like a few couple days ago.
He is someone who doesn't, you know, isn't familiar with UFOs and the
UFO phenomena. And it's interesting that, you know, he took such a
straight forward take on this article to report. And I think that's another important
thing that's going on here, is that mainstream journalists are feeling more comfortable to
do that. I've been hanging out with Brian Bender quite a bit. He
writes for Politico. He's a defense and space editor, which is a pretty
big dealt This guy hobnobs and hangs out in Washington, DC, He hobnobs
with generals and secretaries of this and secretaries of that, and you know,
all of the main shakers, movers and players, politicians, and you know,
he doesn't really care about the UFO community or what the UFO people want.
He's just trying to write stories like this this gentleman in the New York
Times, and they're finding it, you know, very interesting, all of
this credible stuff coming out. Unfortunately, not to put words in Bender's mouth,
but he's also struggled, you know, with what In fact, that's
how we connected, in that we were being lumped together and attacked as people
who are promoting to the stars, and we're just big bands of theirs and
we're doing whatever they say. Brian Bender could really care less. To the
stars people are very low on the totem pole compared to the people he usually
deals with. He just, being someone who writes about defense in space,
finds a story very interesting, and he finds all of this credible information very
interesting. In my opinion, these journalists are being good journalists and doing their
job, which is a little bit different than we've seen in the past,
and the topic hasn't been taken seriously, so just because journalists are taking these
things seriously and they're finding you know, DeLong and Elizando to be credible.
I don't know why we need to attack these people and assume that they're they're
terrible or bad or anything like that. So we don't know. It's it's
kind of an interesting dynamic we find ourselves in. On the one hand,
we have you know, incredible articles like this New York Times one that just
came out that is taking that the topic seriously and examining it in a grounded,
you know, unbiased way, and then we have the reaction from many
in the UFO community, which is just extremely negative, which is counterintuitive.
Well, I think, you know, my kind of my sideline take on
this whole thing is that you know, there are there are a couple of
discrepancies when it comes to the forms and you know, the releasing of the
videos and stuff like that, and so I think people are just assuming,
you know, here we go again, this is another just info you know
project, and you know they're there. I don't know that they're kind of
seeing the whole picture as that this what is what must be happening, because
um, you know, not everything's exactly as um, it should be or
claimed to be or something like that. You know, I'm thinking that's kind
of what's going on with the with the whole divide. There's definitely a divide
for sure. Yeah, but I mean, I'm sorry, but those are
poor arguments, to be honest, um, and I think that they're they're
definitely spin um by people who by that negative side. I think there's no
doubt you can look at my driver's license probably and point out, hey,
what's with this? Why is this this way? This to me seems like
there's some deception going on. I mean, it's you can find and nitpick
any document or or anything. I mean, it's the level of you know,
how much of a red flag these different types of items are. And
it's not just me. I think I'm covering more of those discrepancies in detail
than than most then at least than the mainstream journalism. And and that's because
you know, I, like other researchers are into the details and we are
looking for, you know, red flags. But I think one indicator that
these red flags are just not a big deal is when you don't have the
New York Times or Politico finding any concern um, you know, I ask
Brian Bender about these issues and others, and they just don't find them a
big deal at all. They see this as par for the course and typical
when you're dealing with the government. You know, they're gonna there's not going
to be consistencies across every department, depending on you know, who filled out
what form or what department that form was filled out by. However, the
bigger picture is, you know, are these large claims substantiated, And that's
what they're looking for. And some of these big claims have been substantiated,
of course by other witnesses, keep witnesses such as Kevin Day with the nimits
or David Fraber the pilot with nimits, and many others that you know,
you had many of these witnesses on the show, so that information is corroborated.
So then it comes down to some of this other information, and as
time has gone on, many of those big points such as, you know,
were these Navy these videos really released from the Navy, Were these videos
really showing what the Navy felt were unidentified uh, you know, aerial phenomena
UAPs or UFOs, you know, did a tip the Pentagon program really look
into UFOs. These were the things people were questioning. All of these things
have been verified, substantiated and verified by insiders, not just by independent sources
that the journalists have gotten. New York Times had an abundance of independent sources
they use when they wrote the original article to vet this information in the first
place. But since then we've had many documents come out, mostly from George
Knapp, but then substantiated by the government is real demonstrating all these other aspects
were also accurate. So these big, large things have all been uh,
you know, noted as accurate, and the little things are or just like
like I said, they're they're perfect. The course, anybody research government documents
in this field, you know, when you see or government documents, especially
military or documents at all, you can see some that are very well done,
but you can see the vast majority that are very sloppy. People cutting
corners and not filling out all fields, those sort of things. You know
that happens. So there's human error involved with all of this and so you
know finding them. So those are certainly things to look at and pay attention
to, but they're not you know, big picture, big red flags that
should inspire the sort of negativity and hatred that it seems to inspire, and
a lot of very using a term from stand very loud, noisy negative out
there. Yeah yeah, okay, well, speaking of the nimits, you
know, witnesses next week, just to let everyone know, we have Kevin
Day and Gary Voor, both witnesses are going to be on the show then.
But thank you so much, Ali Hunter. We went a little bit
over time, but that's fine, and thanks so much, and we'll be
talking to you next week. I hope you have your move continues to work
out well for you. Thank you very much, all and yeah, I'll
be an alien conn this weekend. And yeah, I'm actually in Arizona now,
but yes, and otherwise the move's been going well, great, excellent.
All right, I'll talk to you next week, zem all right,
see you later, Okay. Our guest tonight, we have Kent Center.
I met him I think it was twenty thirteen in North Carolina. He is
a seasoned, long time UFO researcher. He was raised in Northern Virginia.
He has he's been involved with Mouffon from an early time and so I'm really
excited to have him on he's a fine gentleman. Welcome to the show,
Kent. How are you. Thank you, Martin, thanks so much for
having me. Yes, we met. I was very happy to meet you
way back. Um was it twenty thirteen? I keep throwing that number.
Yeah it was. It was in June twenty thirteen. Uh So when we
held the conference, uh uh huh we had like like Alejandra said, it
was a great list of speakers. I got together with Leslie uh kine and
she uh got Jose Lay from r CEFA in Chile. Yea, it was
a Xavier Passo was who uh Alejandro was thinking about. It was Xavier Passo
from japon in France. Had the astrophysics at Jeffrey Bennett. Uh that he
wrote all those Mexico's to Mars books for all the school children the shuttle astronauts
to read them. And and I had doctor Westrom came and uh, I'm
trying to think right now who he had, Colonel Halt and General Dubrauer.
Leslie spoke, I had Nancy Talbot come from BLT research about the crops circles,
and doctor went, uh, we're my mainly list of speakers. And
uh we tried to get the Iranian UH general uh Pafari Uh. I can't
remember his last name, but he was coming out of Canada, but they
would not give him a visa to come down and speak, so I messed
out on him. Yes, I remember hearing about that. Well, yeah,
that was a fantastic Yeah. They had doctor Haynes in uh NARCAP Uh.
That's right, they did. Uh. Actually after the seminar UH,
Chile and France UH did an international agreement of cooperation to study this phenomenon uh
once they met at my conference, and then doctor Haynes with NARCAP also his
group signed in to that. To that cause. I was kind of proud
of that that came about. So yeah, it was kind kind of a
historic situation in general, you know, with all those with all those people
there. Um yeah, I met so many different people there actually, now
that I think about it. And that was early on for me because my
show was only a few years old. So can you tell Randall? Yeah,
Randall, yeah, yeah, that's right. Yeah, he was on
my show a couple of weeks ago, and that's that's how you and I
got in touch, right right right. I've you know Randall after the the
the meeting, and he wasn't one of our speakers, but he came down
there to film and and UH interviewed me. And then during the interview process
um based on some experiences I've had, I was interested, always interested in
this Charles Salt story out in Nevada. UM and he wrote The Millennial I
can't remember the name of it, but he wrote these books about this contact
with these beings out in Nevada off dog Bone Lake and h and any I
can't remember the name of the base. It's right outside of Las Vegas.
That's where they do the h have the drones. But anyhow, he spoke
about these beings up there, these tall whites. And so I was talking
to Randall and I said, do you meaning right off dog Bone Lake?
Because he was out there and he filmed the sighting. And he said,
Who's Who's Charles Hall. He didn't even know who Charles Hall was, And
so I explained to him, and the UH he said, you want to
come up in my room and see this film that I filmed, And so
my wife and I went upstairs and just a remarkable film of these just the
glowing objects, but they moved so fast. His his view was like a
twenty seven mile range of the mountains from where Area fifty one was all the
way down to Dogbone Lake, and these things just zipped across the sky and
stopped on a diamond, went down into those mountains, and then came back
up. We're flying around and it just really struck me because mufun had done
an article about a pilot and flying i think from Saint Louis to San Francisco,
and as they got close to that area, they were asked to veer
north. There was incoming traffic, so they had to divert around Area fifty
one. And he explained that he had these sightings of these like thirty of
these objects come in and where Area fifty one was, he said, that's
like this big holographic crosshairs came up. It was like a mile high,
and these these craft were just zipping in through down through these crosshairs into the
Area fifty one, one after another, just at incredible speeds, and um,
this kind of looked like what Randall film kind of looked, you know,
apparently what this guy Polt had described during one of his flights. But
it was really really interesting. But it's so much occurred. You know what
happened was I got cancer. I've got the multiple milana. And I decided
after all my sightings and everything, because I mainly had stayed quiet about it,
you know, for for just pretty much most of my life, and
I wanted to come out with what I knew and things I've heard and what
I've experienced, no one of my my children, to to to understand what
my views on it were and to to know a little bit more about me.
And so I decided to hold this conference. And when I did,
so many things have occurred that uh. For instance, one of my sightings
was down in Lumberton. Uh. With this, this apparent like a B
shape craft, but it Leslie asked me to interview, and I think I
heard Alejandro say, you're gonna have Lee Spiegel on next week or your next
show. Well, she had asked me to interview with Lee Spiegel because he
was writing for the Humpt Post. So he asked me what got my interest
into it? So I started going back through my sightings that I had and
the one was down in Lumberton, and I started explained to about you know,
I was driving Down's road and saw the sheriff's car and police car and
guys standing out in the field. You know, when I saw this thing,
basically was gliding off in the distance. It's like a reddish glow to
it, and it was gliding over the tree tops going away. So then
I took off after this thing and I couldn't catch it, and he said,
he stopped me, and he goes, Kenny, He goes, do
you know who I am? I said no, I said, I'm standing
to the writer from helping him post. And that's when Lee explained to me
he's he organized at un meeting back in the sixties, I believe with had
Cooper there and I do believe seventy eight and seventy Yeah, okay, so
he organized that meeting. And then he goes and explains, he just can't
want to tell you something. The guys you saw standing out in the field,
that was me And I said, what. He goes, that was
me out in the field. He said, I was investigating for UH Jail
and Heineck group, UH the Qucos And he said, he asked me to
come down to Lumberton investigate that sightings that they were having down there at the
time. And here's the man, that's right, you know. And so
you know, there's family members that I told about my sighting and uh,
a couple of my sightings. Actually it was it was all I had did
a podcast with Tim Beckling. We talked about this synchronicity. Now it's so
strange, but all of a sudden, when I held this conference in twenty
thirteen, my wife who from two thousand and one, and I told her
all my stories and you know, my childhood sightings, and so here I
meet the guy that was standing out in the field, you know. And
she was shocked when she heard that because she remember me telling the story.
And here I got to meet the guy that was standing out in the field
of deciding that I had. And then I didn't want to jump around too
much. I was trying to take it in order. I had a sightings
when I was nine and when I was fourteen years old in Northern Virginia.
It really startled me. But one of the things about it is my best
friend's father was deputy director for FAA and he was a he was a major
in the air for US and he flew under Curtis LeMay and I knew when
I saw they had this sighting. I was over to this house and he's
the first person I ever asked anything about about UFOs or flying saucers, and
I asked him if they were real, and he turned to me. He
had a strange look on the stace and turned to me and he explains to
me. He says, you know, there was a guy on my outfit
once it walked into a hangar and supposedly I had one of these crutched flying
saucers in that hangar and he wasn't supposed to see it. And he goes,
you know what they did to him? And I said no, and
he goes, they locked him up in the mental hospital for a couple of
years. And I was like, why they do that, and he says,
well, when he gets out and talks, he's gonna believe him.
And I was, you know, so young at the time, and it
terrified me because this was back in when Kennedy was president and you know,
everybody was John Hoe, you know, everybody, all Americans, and you
know, I couldn't believe the government would do something like that. And then
I started thinking in my mind, being a you know, a young kid,
that if I opened my mouth and said what I saw they were going
to put me away, you know, and that that was at such a
young age. It was pretty traumatic for me, you know, so I
never talked about what I saw and until you know, later, like I
said, later in the years when I was married to my wife's and so
anyhow, I had that sighting and then then another sighting that I had,
well, I was sleeping out and number my back porch and this, I'm
gonna say craft. It was an orange disc shape and had a light coming
down and this light it was like a cone shape, but it stopped about
three feet above the ground. And that's what just it shocked me, because
light doesn't stop, you know, and this light just stops about three feet
above the ground. And I got up and went outside the the screen porch
into my backyard, and the light was rising back up and it would just
started floating off real quietly. I mean, you couldn't hear a pen drop,
and it just start floating above the trees and was floating away. And
I just remember running down the street after this thing trying to get a better
view of it. But um, wow, those were two sightings when I
was young. I was just it was just it really you know, put
the questions in my mind, what are these things? What's going on?
But huh and uh. So you started the chapter North Carolina chapter of Moffon
though in the in the eighties at some point. So right, Well,
what happened after the Lumberton sighting is I had a personal sighting in Durham around
eighty four. I would say it was eighty four eighty five. And this
was a craft. I mean this kind of like the I would say it
was more like the t Conic Parkway Hudson Valley side. So this was a
craft that came with it had these lights, and this craft was staying.
I had gotten home from work and I was working two full time jobs,
and so I had like an hour in between the shifts that I come home
and eat and change clothes. And I got out of my car if coming
home after my first shift job, and got out of my car and stood
in the driveway. As I was going to the house, I looked up
and this craft was about a quarter mile off in the distance, up in
the sky, just standing perfectly still. And I just remember walking to the
end of the sidewalk and lining it up against a tree, just to see
if this thing had any movement at all, these lights and they didn't.
So I got my wife to come out and she took a look at it,
and she immediately turned and ran in the house. I don't know why,
but she just took off. And I had been flashing a flashlight at
it, just you know, three long and three shorts, just off and
on, trying to see all this thing, just to see if I get
into response, and luckily I had my eyes on it. It did.
I guess it's like a light switch. They all turned off and it was
pitch black, couldn't see anything. And then I'm going through my mind,
you know, why didn't I have a camera? Why didn't I have something,
you know? And I was a little frustrated, and I threw the
flashlight back into my car and leaned back on the car, and all of
a sudden, this craft was above my head I guess about maybe fifty to
seventy five ft high, and it was rotating and it was like I was
watching the back end of this thing turning around. It was like a big
bar and this it was like a bright frost and blue, bluish white light
and saw this craft just no sound, and this thing just rotated around and
zipped off. So I don't know if you remember I had this reenacted and
I had a film crew reenact this whole that whole scene and what it looked
like for that conference. Oh, I think I remember something about that.
Yeah, okay, anyhow that that at that moment, you know, right
after that, I said, I've got to get in touch with somebody that
knows what's going on with these things or whatever. And I, uh,
I think it was a book by Margaret Sacks, was and Psyclopedia of UFOs
uh, and I looked up in North Carolina. It was as George Falsett.
It was a long time researcher. And I gave him a call and
uh, we hooked up and met and he I actually had him come speak
to a Kawanis group and just to show you how bad I wanted to to
to find out what was going on at that point, I didn't belong to
this group, but I paid five hundred dollars for him to come up and
speak to this group. Now I wouldn't even a member of this group.
Uh, just so I can make this connection and talk. And we hit
it off and we became very close uh, and that's and his idea was,
you know, we want to start up a Mufon chapter because apparently up
in New Hampshire area and in northeast he had had lived up there and had
UFA groups study groups, and so we started the Mufon chapter back and and
uh the mid to late eighties and uh, that's how the Mufon chapter got
started. But um, back to the synchronicity. I had a sighting uh
that I was asked to go out and investigate. Actually was what it was
was a cattle abduction and I was asked to go, uh interview. What
happened was the Allimans County Sheriff's Department was calling in the Mufon ass if somebody
could show up there. When I thought that was strange. Here's the sheriff's
department asking for help. Not that I could, you know, you know,
there is no the greed person in uphology. So but I just decided,
you know, I'd go out there and talk to him and just investigate
this report. And it was remarkable. It was just this old farmer I
guess he was probably back then he was in his early eighties, i'd say,
and all he cared about was his prize cow. And he was so
upset and he was screaming at the at the police and the government and just
you know, he wants his cow back. I saw all he kept screaming.
So anyhow, I went and filmed this area and I filmed a location.
It was a big open field and hung around down by the trees.
The cow like to hang by a creek down in the trees. I went
down there and filmed. That was the last place he saw this. He
said he saw this big light above the trees, and the next morning went
out and his cow was gone. So I went down in those trees and
started filming, and the guy I was training to investigate was with me.
He'd point out he can't look up. And I looked up and there was
a big hole in the in the tree and branches were broken upwards. And
so I filmed this at a VHS recorder, and I filmed this because it
was up pretty high, about seventy feet up, and I just thought that
was the strangest thing. And it wasn't even three days later. I'm gonna
say, well, they call them in and black or whatever. But I
managed an apartment complex in a mobile home park at the time, and I'm
used to police coming in checking on different residents and so forth and so on,
so I keep these files locked up with their records, and I just
remember glancing out the window and these guys in black suits coming in and walking
towards the door. So I started turned to my right and starting lucking the
files. And when I go to turn back, the first one it comes
through had to bend his head totally over to getting my door. And these
two it was. It was the strangest. I don't think his face was
more than probably two and a half three inches wide at the bottom, and
the whole typical thing that for door hats, the big black sunglasses. But
this first one that walked in was I'm gonna say seven foot tall, easy,
and he was almost a robotic. He turned with his back. He
opened the door and turned with his back and faced across the room. A
little who I call shorty walked in. He was like the middle guy.
And then when the third one came, this one came in and he was
identical, I mean, I mean spit an image of the first guy.
Another tall one and he came and got behind me, and it was just
the strangest event that happened. I mean, this guy was yelling something.
The shorty was the only one that talked, and he was kept yelling something.
But I couldn't focus because I wanted to see under I wanted to see
this tall guy's eyes, and I couldn't see his eyes because he had these
glasses on. But one thing, I just I can't stress enough how quick
this was. As soon as that thought went in my head, I want
to see your eyes, he dropped his head down like to the floor,
so like I couldn't look up under his lenses, and he just kept his
head looking straight down at the floor. And I started thinking, okay,
you can read my mind. Then, okay, you know what's going on
here, you know. And I'm I'm just focused on this first one.
And finally the short guy spins me around in my chair and it's like,
you want to see I He rips his glasses off and he had just the
perfect circular eyes. They were completely round and the brightest blue I've ever seen
in my life. It was it was unbelievable. The whole thing just just
floored me. I didn't know what was going on. It almost seemed like
I was losing track of time. It's like everything just came to a standstill.
And what do they what do they want? He just he was just
screening me not to ever go back out there where the cow yea farm,
back to that site. He and he just kept saying, you don't go
back out there, you understand me, And and he said it three times
that I could hear. He said, you know, you don't go back
out there. And I'm like, I understand, I understand. And then
they turned and walked out the door. And then I just sat there and
I wanted to get their license plate, and I couldn't even get out of
my chair. And about the time they were pulling out of properly, I
was finally able to get up, and I could see they were some type
they were government plates, but I couldn't read the numbers on them or the
letters. And it just it was it was just the strangest thing that ever
occurred in my life, even stranger than my sightings. It was just so
I went back inside and sat down at my desk and was just and I
was, you know, almost point, I was shaking. And I sat
there and I looked up and my camera I had left in the kitchen,
which is opened the right off the living room, and I had my camera
up on the counter there that separates the kitchen from the living room, and
I noticed the compartment was open and the table was gone. Yeah I did
not see Yeah, I did not see them move around and get it or
anything, but it was gone. And it just, you know, I
had to go to the next time we had our meeting. They asked me
to talk about it. I said, it was just I don't know,
it was nothing to it, and I just blew it off. And it
just always stuck in my head. And that was one thing that when I
heard about these Charles Hall and these tall white signing, this first thing I
could think of was just this these tall you know being type things. But
um, well, cutting back, I happened to be at a Timothy Good
was given a talk in Raleigh, North Carolina that night that I got the
call from UFON and I couldn't remember the date. So I got in touch
with Timothy Good and got the exact date when he did his talk. So
the next day I knew when I went out to the site, and so
I was able to put down the dates exactly when this occurred. And here's
where it's really crazy. Through all of this, I hadn't moved. I
got got away from UFON, I moved with my jobs up to New Jerseyn
in Pennsylvania, and when I got sick with his cancer, we moved back.
We had just moved back down in two thou January twenty thirteen, and
I decided to give this do this conference, and do this whole thing.
And I told my wife, you know, my wife's heard heard these stories
me. You know that I've told her. And when she was shocked about
the least Spiegel because she remembers me telling her, you know, the guys
in the field. So I was telling her about you know, I said,
you know, I really need to get down to the Alamance counter Sheriff's
department and checked to see if any of the other deputy sheriffs had had any
kind of you know, encountered m bees or anybody else went through that because
I never even gave him my address or anything on a how this they even
showed up at where I worked. And I remember George Fause had had a
similar thing happened to him that he told me about where they showed up at
his daughter's college dorm that he was up in Chicago speaking and they kind of
got him outside after his talk and the cart there's one of these MBS and
crass him to get in the car and started talking to him and told him
he needs to be quiet and stopped talking and giving presentations about this stuff.
He didn't know what he's talking about. And he was warned, you know,
you need to stop doing this, and he still went out and spoke.
A couple of times were when he did. His daughter had called him
that one of these guys was in her room and she knew nothing about the
MBS or anything that George had gone through. Never said a word to his
daughter anything about, you know, what had happened. And she said,
there was this guy in my room. And he kept telling me to make
sure you stopped talking about these UFOs. What do you mean in her room?
Not her bedroom, in her dorm room. He actually went in the
dorm room. He was in her dorm room. Yeah, And I remember
George telling me this, you know, because I was thinking, how did
these you know, whoever they are, and how did these mbs find out
where I worked or where I lived? I never even they just knew my
name as Kent at the Sheriff's department, and I was with Muphon and I
don't know how all how it were all went down. They end up showing
at my job. But that occurred well. To make a long story short,
as the synchronicity in this. When I got down in twenty thirteen,
I was talking to my wife. I said, you know, I need
to go back down to the Sheriff's department asking poor records. I'd like to
talk to some of those sheriffs. There were three sheriffs that were out in
the field that day, and including the one that drove us to the site.
And said I like to get in touch with them. And I said,
I just you know what am I going to say? You know?
Because I was like, you're thinking I'm some kind of kop And she goes,
why don't you call your friend Wayne? Well. Wayne grew up with
me in Washington, d C. He lived on the street behind me,
and when we grew up, and he moved down to Burlington, North Carolina,
which is right next to Graham, which is where this Alamance County thing.
And he also he was with the force for twenty years. It became
a detective and the whole deal. And I said, honey, I haven't
spoken to Wayne in years, and I don't want him thinking I'm some cook
with UFOs stuff like that. And she goes, you know what, she
goes, that's your quickest in and that's your best way in. She said,
call him over, invite him over, and you know, ask him
if he can give your hands. So I said, okay, you know,
I'll call him. So I gave him a call and he came over.
We talked about old times and stuff, and then I said, luck,
Wayne, I said, I got a favor to ask you, and
then my wife shall sit here. And the test to this, I said,
Wayne, I said, you know, ever since I was a little
I'd been interested in UFOs. And he stopped me right. Then he goes,
oh, I know he can't remember when we were out sleeping out back
on the screen porch and there was that big rectanglar ufo that came over,
because you remember that, and I'm number one to this day, I have
no knowledge of Wayne spending in the night and us looking at a rectangular ufo,
none whatsoever. And there was no way you can mistake rect ufo with
an orange disc, and I was quite clear of what I saw, but
the fact that he said that, it just I looked at Patty and she
looked at me, and she was like, what in the world. And
I said, Wayne, what are you talking about? He goes, oh,
my god, can't don't you remember that thing? It said over the
backyard? He said it was perfect rectangle set there over the backyard. I
said, you mean the big orange disc and he goes, no, it
was perfectly rectangular. Now this happened back in the mid sixties, so you
know, I didn't even think there was talk of rectangular UFOs back then or
anything. So it just that really shocked me. Here's a friend of mine,
you know, it's another he's a policeman. He's totally saying, you
know, been a detective all his life, and and he mentions this,
and I was like, my god. And then it wasn't I guess I
think it was in nine, in two thousan fifteen, my nine, when
I was nine, I had that sighting that I told everybody about. I'm
on the record, you know, even right before the conference. I did
an interview and in twenty fifteen Norm Gagnon with Mufond Virginia. Here's an article
on the MUFON Journal about a sighting at the same time it occurred when my
singing incurred. It was a quarter of a mile from my house. It
was in Vienna, Virginia, and that's a quarter of a mile from my
house in Falls Church. It happened occurred at the same time, except this
kid had saw beings and went through like an abduction thing. But here's this
article that comes up two years after the conference, and it's I called Norman,
and that's when I had the conference in twenty sixteen. I invited Norman
and Ben and Tony from New from Virginia to come down to a conference,
and so I spoke with him about my sighting that he had, you know,
an investigated and told him about, you know, my sighting that I
had that and showed him you know where I had said this years ago and
that had that occurred. Uh, not not quite. It was just about
a quarter of a mile from my house. As a matter of fact,
where his sighting was is right real close by my elementary school. So you
know, there's you think about it, there's not a lot of people that
have as many sightings as you do. You know. I mean, no,
people don't the thing, you know, and and I sit there and
that's one thing bothers me. I've had all these sightings, but it's you
know, I said when number one, how does people look at that?
Well, at this point in my life, I don't care because of my
cancer. Yeah, it's like I just I'm after the truth of what's what's
happened, you know, And there's actually been a couple more incidents that's happened.
But um, but there are people I will I just I'm sorry.
It didn't mean to cut you up. I will say that are people that
this does seem to happen to that have you know, a number of sightings.
You know Ray Stanford for one, you know UFO researcher, He's had
a ton of sightings. And there are a number of people. And I
think it's not just um the fact that you know, because once you have
one sighting, you know, I know, I don't know about you,
but I'm always looking looking around, looking up. In an airplane, I
instinctively look out, you know, over the wings and look out in the
sky. And I wouldn't have done that before, you know. So yeah,
that's because at such an early age. I started watching the skies at
nighttime. Uh. For instance, a couple of these sightings I never would
have seen had I looked up. You know. Um, it's it's and
and when you think about it. To to probably most people, it sounds
like a lot of sightings. But I can count them on both my hands.
Uh, I've had about ten sightings in my life. You know.
I'm I turned sixty six, So that's ten nights out of all those nights
of your life. Yeah, you know, it's not like it happens that
often, but it's the situations that um, you know, I tell you
what's what's puzzled me is um. One of our family friends was a friend
of my dad's worked in the Pentagon and he was with the photo a kind
of since lab at the Pentagon, and he was a personally he was a
joke jokester. He would always crack jokes at you and make fun of you.
And he was very strict with his children. That kind of scared all
the neighborhood kids because he was so strict. But there was a Look magazine
that I still have that came out that did a special on flying saucers back
in sixty six or sixty seven, and I remember getting my talking to my
mom into getting this magazine. I ran out in the screen porch and was
showing it to my dad and which immediately he's he just got abusive. He
was just making fun of me so bad. And between him and another neighbor
and Jack, I didn't even want to look up and look at Jack.
He was sitting in the corner in a chair, and I knew he was
just gonna just have a heyday with me. And when I looked at him,
he was sitting down with his head looking at the floor, and he
was grabbing his hands, clenching his hands like in a fifth together, and
he was just shaking his head no. And it struck me really funny.
I mean, he was really upset that they were teasing me like that,
and that stood out in my mind. I was like, so later in
life, my parents divorced and my mom had remarried, and this guy,
who I'll just say his first name was Jack. Him and his wife came
down to my mom's reception down in North Carolina, and at that time I
was working in retail as a manager of jewelry stores, and I had to
just only could get away long enough to come to my mom's reception, and
then I had to get back to work, so I never even saw Jack
standing there. And I ran out the door and I was getting ready to
jog from my car, and Jack stood up on outside on the front and
yelled my name out, and I turned and ran back to him, said,
hey you're doing Jack, I'm sorry, didn't see you standing there.
And he goes, hey, you're still reading those UFO books And I said,
well, yeah, I've got a got a few few i'm collected.
And he goes, you need to come up and visit me Late Guests and
I've retired, I'm living at Late Guests and you need to come up and
we'll go fishing and talk. And I just blow it off. I said,
sure, you know, we'll get together, you know, and not
about my merry way. And then it wasn't until two thousand and nine that
I started asking my mom questions about Jack and Margaret, you know, and
because I knew he worked at the Pentagon, and come to find out,
Jack was in Roswell. He was there under Colonel Blanchard back from forty seven.
He was everywhere Blanchard when Jack went with the exception. Jack went to
Right Patterson. He worked at Right Patterson in photo reconnaissance. He ran the
photo reconisance lab there, and then Jack followed him all the way up.
He's with the Defense Intelligence Agency when they first started it off Columbia Pike,
and that was before it moved to the Pentagon. And then Jack went to
the Pentagon with when they moved, and he worked under Blanchard. So I
had a short meeting with Jack and asked him a ton of questions which he
had remarried, and he felt quite uncomfortable answered my questions and I'm sorry,
I'm gonna have to do this though. We go ahead. We have to
go into our break and when we come back, m I will will pick
it up with your conversation with Jack. Okay, we'll do all right,
So everyone hanging there, we'll be right back right after these messages. All
right, everyone, welcome back. This is Martin Willis My guest is Kent
center, and we are talking. Just before we went into break. Kent
was talking about Jack who worked at the Pentagon and sitting down, Yeah,
conversation go ahead. He had just gotten he had gotten remarried as his wife
passed away to cancer, and turns out that the woman he remembered married remarried.
They were family friends, and his best friend that worked with him at
the Pentagon, that was his wife. And Jack and his wife used to
play ridge with this couple, so it just seemed he was very uncomfortable talking
around her. But I did get, you know, a few questions answered.
You know, one I asked about this Colonel Blanchard and he says he
had Blanchard loved to come him off as a look at my pictures every day.
And but you know, I wanted to invite him down to that conference,
but he passed away right before that. And I've had a couple of
very bad timing issues. When I had that conference in twenty thirteen, I
kept receiving these calls from this gentleman that was in a nursing home in Greensboro
there where we had the meeting, and he wanted me to come and see
him. And you know how busy I did that conference all by myself,
as far as the organization everything, and I was just so much work and
I just didn't have time to get to him, and never heard another thing
back from him. And I'll be darned that. In twenty sixteen, when
I held that next conference with Travis Walton and Tom Reid and Nick Redford,
he called the hotel where we were having the conference and asked me to please
come by and see him. And so I came by to see him,
and I took a friend who I was going to interview him, because what
he told me was he worked for the FBI in his past and he had
something he had with that I wanted to tell me. And I'm like,
well, I'll definitely be there. Is it all right if I bring somebody
to do an interview, you might want to take some pictures, to do
some filming because and he said, nut come on by. So my wife
and my friend did the filming. We show up at his nursing home and
he is so shook up when he's talking to him and he tells me about
this. What occurred was he started out as a field agent in Las Vegas.
He lived right outside of Las Vegas, and his other field agent he
was friends with lived in Las Vegas and asked him come over that weekend,
spend the weekend with them, and they, you know, go down to
casinos or whatever. And as he got to his friend's house. His friend
was running out the door and saying, you want to come with me?
I got a call and he goes, now, I'll just wait till you
get back. And I'm not sure if that's true or not that he was
going to wait because he was so shook up as he was talking about this.
But what happened was his friend, he said, went got a call
and apparently one of these craft had landed. The UFO had landed, and
there were beings outside the craft running around and it was right off the highway
and they were just running around this craft and shook the guy up terribly,
he said. And I'm sitting here looking at him as if he's he's the
one that just the way he was acting, I'm like, you know,
and this guy was in his I would say, it's in his nineties.
And I started trying to find out the dates, you know, and asked
him he could remember anything, you know, who was playing at the casinos
and what was on TV at the time, and just trying to narrow it
down. Was in late forties, early fifties, and he said he'd tried
to remember the date, and his name was Howard Richardson was this gentleman's name,
and the other agent was named Lee Andrews. And all of a sudden,
I look up and he's asleep. So I told his nurse, I
said, you know, would tell him we'll come back and I'll call him.
We'll come back and set up because I really want to get this on
film and let him some literature and stuff. And I called him back and
he didn't answer his phone. I kept calling calling. This went on for
like three weeks, and I told Patty, I said, I think he's
pulling the number. How he thinks I pull on him where I never called
them back? And Patty just looked at me. She said, Ken,
I hate to say this, but why don't you look up in the obituaries.
And when I pulled up the obituaries, he had passed away like ten
days after we were there, and it just, uh it, it just
floored me. And uh but when I read his obituary, he actually worked
his way all the way up to where he was in charge of all the
special agents in Washington, based out of Washington, d C. So he
worked in the headquarters Washington, DC and then charge of the field agents.
So you know this guy is no coop. You know, this guy's got
some credibilitude to his name and uh and to hear that, you know,
here's a here's another story. You know that. You know I recorded.
I want to go down that this occurred, you know. So right now
I'm trying to go through all the bluebook files of any of the FBI agents
that might have had sightings or reported, you know, to investigate a sighting
out in the Vegas area, try to track it down. I didn't have
any information on his uh On Leandres, his his birthdate or death date,
and couldn't file a Freedom Information acts on him. But um, it was
just just remarkable. Now you're saying that true. Pardon me, you're working
on cases in Las Vegas, Is that what you're saying. I'm studying anything
all the people that from this area, that live around this area that call
into me. For instance, like the the school sighting in what's it here?
It's about a half a mile from my house and I it made international
news. Uh, it's actually listed in that book. Uh. That Preston
Dennis. Then it just came out with schoolyard urophone encounters heard that he came
out with that book. Yeah, we've been talking. He communicated with me.
He's been on your show before. Uh. But it's a great book
and it's he's listed to what's it. But I did a about a half
an hour documentary on that case and didn't I've actually gotten an doctor Lambeth,
the principal um I did interviewed him, got his whole record on video.
Can you tell us about that particular case please, Yeah, it's uh,
there were these craft that were cited, uh, doctor Lambeth. A kid
came running the schools close to uh the end of the day and said that
there were these flying saucers up in the sky, and so he went outside
and all the kids wouldn't running out after him, and doctor Lambeth looked.
It was straight above the school, probably about one hundred to two hundred feet
up, and he said they were they just round, circular, uh,
shiny objects like like ball bearings up in the sky. And he remembers because
that they were in formation like the numbers on a don donamo, uh,
like you know, the six, how they lined up like that? But
he said it was possibly there was eight of them lined up like that,
and then all of a sudden one afternoon would just zip away and take off
until they were totally gone. But as they were leaving, this whole neighborhood
got filled with angel hair who had fallen. It was hanging from the close
the electric lines, the neighbor's closed lines, it was out in the streets.
It was everywhere, and as a matter of fact, one kid picked
it up and put it in his mouth and tasted it and said it was
really salty tasting, and which was kind of scary because there were traits that
some of that was radioactive. On one of the cases of the angel hair
tested positive for radiation, but so he kept this part of this angel Harry
had sitting in his desk and which happened to conveniently disappear, but he sent
samples off the Burlington Industries, which they couldn't tell what it was. But
it was just a phenomenal case that occurred that it's to the day. One
year earlier to the day was that sighting in Italy over a soccer stadium on
the exact day, October twenty seventh, nineteen fifty four, this angel hair
during a game with like over ten thousand spectators. These UFOs came flying around
and drop an angel hair over the stadium. And this occurred exactly one year
later. Wow, there is another case. I remember seeing a woman had
a sighting in her backyard and her tree was full, tree was full of
like substance like that. I can't remember the particular case, but uh,
you know, I just remember these soccer players when they did a reunion recently.
They were so upset at that. I think it was on the Smithsonian
show whatever with that research where they claim it to be ballooning spiders because these
crafts they're flying, I mean they're they're not floating with the air. They're
actually you know, it's if they're being intelligently controlled and flying at speeds that
you know, can stop on a dime and then take off at thousands of
miles an hour. And this is what doctor Lambeth. One of his favorite
sayings after that sighting he said was there's the Old Testament in the Bible and
the New Testament. He thinks there ought to be another Testament made now so
and this is coming from a highly religious man, but doctor Lambeth has a
remarkable background. He got an award from the Kennedy's for working with autistic children.
He was one of the first teachers to ever do that. And the
Kennedy's being big into the mental illness being in their family everything, they gave
him a grant to further's education, where he got his doctor's degree. He
was a navigator in World War Two during UH, I think he was flowing
out of it from India into China doing the battle runs from India to China.
But uh he had to correct the Army Air Corps maps because it had
him running into the Himalan mountains. And this guy's just a phenomenal person and
just as brilliant today as he was thirty or forty years ago. He just
made me feel silly. He really did his intelligence. It just he humbled
you. But anyhow so I was so happy to get that on film and
UH record this and did a DVD on him, and UM, just uh
this this. I shouggest anybody interested in these schoolyard signings. When we talked,
like Randall, I've been I sent Randall so many of our conference DVDs
uh to try to get us and you know, donations to help with his
movie. Um, that's just a phenomenal case, you know. I just
oh, that's yeah, that's that's I think the all time you know,
most documented. Well, uh, the incident at Exeter always stood out in
my mind when I was young because it was the first time that I saw
where policemen were involved in a sighting and it didn't make me feel so,
you know, like I was going crazy, you know from what I saw.
Um right, that's not too that's not really that far away from where
I well, actually where I really hope to make a trip up there someday
because it's one of my favorite that that is one of my favorite cases.
Uh yeah, you know, but I just what I do is I just
research, spend most of my time researching the history and the historical to see
where we've you know, what started this, you know, as far as
our technology and how we'd become involved in um, you know, like when
the forties is when it really started up. You know. I mean they've
been around forever these sightings and so forth and so on, but uh,
how they say, you know, is this our craft or their craft or
you know these unknowns. H I just I know, for a fact,
just listened to all these government people and people that have been in the know
there is something out there flying around, and I'm glad that, you know,
like with these Navy released video releases and this, at least this is
coming out. At least that's changing, you know, at least where the
governments starting to say it. But the you know, the whole political atmosphere
of this world right now, it's like it's it's totally so insane. I
don't even know how even that can hold something as historical as this. You
know, is there life out there? You know, I'm wondering how important
it is that people anymore. You know, Well, I still think it's
you know, I mean, as a lot of people say, it's,
you know, the most important question that'll ever be answered. But you know,
I do know what you're talking about. I know what you're talking about
the news cycles out there, but um, but still, um. One
of the things I think about is, you know, okay, this this
uh what they call the modern UFO era. You didn't really hear a lot
about anything going on prior to forty seven. But there are there are cases.
There's a number of tons of cases I've got stepped back from the eighteen
hundreds. You know that in your area or or mainly out West and around
Texas. You know, the airship sightings. Uh, there's there's a lot
out west that. I mean, I don't have it right in front of
me now, but there's been a lot out west, I think, as
was the whole premise to that Cowboys and Aliens movie was just some of these
cases. Uh yeah, Well then back into the eighteen fifties. Yeah,
then in Britain, you know, they had sightings, you know, way
back in the nineteenth century and earlier. I know, Shock valet Um did
a book on historic UFOs that's something I haven't thought called Wonders of the Sky.
Yeah, that's that, Wonders in the Sky Jack vlat and uh,
Chris Aubeck was an excellent book. That's right. Yeah, that's right.
There's a lot of that in it. Yeah. I like the historic sightings.
And another thing, you know, Dave Marler kind of uncovered that triangle
UFOs are not something new, you know, they've yeah no, uh,
not just your sighting. But you know, I mean, so back to
your area in general, is it would you consider it a hot spot?
It seems like there's a lot going on there. I think it's there has
been, Yes, it has been in a hot spot, I guess you
would say. But I think if you find out, if people were to
dig, every place could come up with with with numerous sightings. Uh,
you're in a real big hot spot up there. As a matter of fact,
that Exeter case not you know, people talked about that, Uh that
case, that incident and Exeter. Um, it was actually that whole area
for like almost a year, went through a thousand sightings and actually even one
landing in the backyard were almost downtown. The Exeter was flooded with sightings.
Uh during that time in the sixties sixty five. I remember, I remember
the wave what they're called, and yeah, it just lasted for quite a
while. And uh it wasn't just that one. That one sighting made news
because I think because of the police, but that had numerous sight But yeah,
that that area up and there north Northeast, Uh yeah, United States.
I just think it the more you dig, the more you find.
Um. You know, I think it up both signings are common everywhere.
I think you don't hear about it. You know, there's a lot of
military bases up in the northeast too, and I think there's seems to be
some type of connection to that. Yeah. Well, actually back at that
time, there was that Air Force base right there. It was a Suton
base actually um or was it Portsmouth Pease Air Force Base? Pease Air Force
Base? Yeah? Yeah, that was now my where I lived. I
lived on a hilltop across from the river um our family home when I was
growing up, where you could see the whole Pease Air Force Base, the
whole like not the whole runway, but a part of the runway. Um
wow. So my sister and I, my sisters and I used to watch
planes land and take off, and one day we sat and watched something floating.
I don't want to say it was the UFO. It was probably a
weather balloon, but we watched it for like an hour. But I do
remember that was all during the UFO wave, so we were, you know,
looking around at that point. That's fantastic. Yeah, oh man,
I loved have been up there at that time. I don't know why I
have such a it's almost like I want to run to these things, but
just interested in it. Now, when you when you had any of these
sightings, did you ever remember being afraid at all or was it just curiosity?
Now? Not not afraid whatsoever. I was just, uh, it
was I actually felt sad. You know, somebody signings that they flew away.
I felt, you know, I felt sad. I felt I actually
had a sighting when I was like four and a half, and I just
felt very sad when they when they left. Um, I had a big
loving him nature. Um, I will bring animals in my house. Drove
my mother crazy collecting frogs and brought in snakes, and they kept trying to
say, well, why are you doing? And I just I got to
save them all. You know, I was trying to save all these animals.
But if battery out, if my battery dies out, if you could
call me right back. Yeah, it sounds like you're it sounds like you're
having a little bit of a cut. So, uh, you know,
with that being said, we're going to uh we can go into break if
you'd like, and uh yeah, and then if you can call me back,
I'll pick up the other chargepone. All right, okay, so Bill,
Bill, We're gonna go into break right now for a couple of minutes.
And this is Martin willis hanging every hanging. Everyone will be right back,
okay, all right, welcome back. Yeah, we had a dead
phone on Kent's end. He's all set now. So Kent, we were
talking about UFO waves. I do want to say that we're going to open
up the lines in a couple of minutes here, about five minutes or so,
we'll open those lines. But so, um, that's kind of funny
that you were kind of envious about the northeast and in uh oh yeah,
all the sightings. Yeah, um, you know there are places. You
know, we're talking about cattle mutilations earlier, and you know, my friend
Chris O'Brien wrote a great book about that, but also he was in that
area out in Colorado, which is the San Luis San Louis Valley. That's
just such a such a hot spot. Have you ever tried to figure out
what is a hot spot? Why they exist? And? Uh, well,
basically that's what I'm I'm pulling together so many cases, uh, just
going through that's all I do. I've got about five hundred files. I'm
just going through all the literature, all the books, and just writing down
all these cases and the ones that stand out to me. You know,
like I said, major cases like the Phoenix Lights was to me a major
case. Stevensville was a major case. This aerial phenomenon was a major case.
And while I mentioned that I had gotten an email from Preston Dennit,
the one that wrote the school Yard UFO Encounters that since he came out with
that book, he's gotten letters. Apparently there's another case that happened around the
same time as the aerial case, but it happened at an elementary school in
Columbia, South America that he's going to be investigating and checking into. So
but these are major cases. I'm trying to not that there's a pattern,
but how often does this happen where you know, we can expect that within
some time I'm going to see maybe something else major mass sighting is going to
occur. But I'm just pulling all these records, gathering all these these cases.
That's where I found so many in North Carolina that just going through and
historically going through newspapers. I go to the library lot and just go through
archives and just we through newspapers and uh occasionally up in Washington and my old
stomping grounds. But um, just putting together trying to figure out how often
and why these school cases or to me are fascinating alone, because it seems
like that they've trying to get some kind of message across. You know,
I said that just two weeks ago, three weeks ago when it's when Randy
and uh Emily were on that. You know, their impression noble kids,
Um, they all not all, but a lot of the encounters there's some
type of possibly telepathy or whatever. They have. Kids will talk about images
of you know, take care of the earth and all that, and um,
you know, not not exactly climate change, but something you know that
there's pollution, there's whatever it is, you know, take better care of
the earth. And I think that is kind of bizarre, but it makes
total sense in a way. I just see, you see what's happening to
this earth, and it's just not you know, whether the arguments whether it's
man made or not, it doesn't matter. I mean, just the pollution
and everything we're doing itself, the damage we're doing with the nuclear waste everything.
To me, no one ever talks aboutifying. No one ever talks about
nuclear waste. I did a show on that when I was doing the Everything
Else show, and basically it's five thousand general rations before that stuff is safe.
So we're putting bird And I know this is way off the UFO topic
and someone probably want to wants to pull me off my soapbox, but we're
putting the burden on five thousand generations, two hundred thousand years into the future
that people have to be careful and have to charge that new for our benefits.
The warnings that they're bringing down to these children, it's you know,
you can go all the way back to the Bible, you know. I
mean, I don't want to get into religion or anything, but you've got
the Zekeel case. It sounds more like a machine than anything to me.
I had a family friend that worked with my dad that wrote a book Out
of the Angel's Hand where he took the Bible and he puts passages from that
Bible. It's a fascinating book. But he did passages in that Bible and
then wrote, what as if these beings are coming down, and this is
the messages they're they're given the way he in his mind he's pulling this through.
These are the messages these actual beings are coming down. They're not God's,
but they're beings. They're trying to tell us how to how to live.
How to eat, you know, how to take care of ourselves,
how to take care of this planet. And it's a it's a fascinating book.
I'm sorry to say he passed away. He was one of those soldiers
you see, that was out west when they would set off an atomic bomb
and then have him get out of the trenches and walk into the cloud.
And he was one of those soldiers. And he ended up dying of bone
cancer. And uh, but he wrote this book. He came into actually
to one of our MU fond meetings, never heard of Zachary sension or any
of his thoughts or anything, and just did this book on his own,
just from his views. And it's called Out of the Angel's Hands. A
fascinating book. But that is an interesting, uh interesting thought. Um.
I'm going to open up the line. So if anyone wants to call in,
we have our screener, nice guy over there, Bill Um will screen
your call. And that number is eight five five four seven two five four
eight three. Uh, and the phone lines are open if anyone wants to
call in. So um, if we do get a call, I'll just
let you know we have one waiting, okay, and so um, yeah,
it's it's really fascinating, the the all the different ideas. You know.
I've said on the show a number of times, I really don't know
any more about the UFO topic than I did when I started. You know,
it's it's it's it's it's that rabbit hole they talk about you go into
and um. Luckily I on I've been able to witness actual i'll call craft.
They're not the glowing lights, you know, but we are some type
of machine up in the air. It's flying around, yeah, doing things
that you know, everything they teach you in school, physics and everything that's
not possible, but having to come to the realization this exists, you know,
it's true. The sighting I had was actually what I would have to
say, you know, would be none other than a craft, you know,
but it was. It was actually kind of a boring sighting compared to
what you're talking about. It was just a simple disk flew over me and
it had a blue like a blue glow to it. And the thing that
baffled me about the whole thing the most was the silence. I couldn't understand
that how to move and stop and you know, do the things it was
doing. It didn't do too much. You know, it just basically was
going in a straight line and uh, it stops and then it just went
off to an angle toward Monterey. I was in Carmel Valley at the time,
and I was in a hot tub and it was kind of boring,
but you know, that was still a sighting OCD and that's why I'm on
the show today. Yeah, that's uh, you know, I have to
another thing I've been touching in my notes and that I want to put in
this book, all eventual and finishes. I had a by having that conference,
I was able to since I was paying them all to come and speak,
to have a private meeting with doctor Haynes and Xavier Passau and Colonel Halt
and doctor Westrom and I wanted to go over my life and my sightings and
get their take on it and to find out. Yeah, it's just basically
I want answers like anybody else, you know. But I just didn't understand
why I had these sightings so much, and uh, and you know it's
it's a you know, it's a private conversation. I was asked not to
film it. I filmed it for myself, but doctor Haynes. I,
you know, I found some revelations some of the facts that he stated that
uh, that I never knew about, uh, but that I promised I
wouldn't talk about. But doctor Haynes and uh, doctor Westrom made me feel
so much better about what I what I had seen. But the thing that
fascinated me the most was I wondered that when I saw this and what I
felt, And then discussing with Colonel Halt what he felt when he saw what
he saw and rends him and how he's more at peace. He seems more
at peace at what he saw than I am, you know, at peace
at what I saw. Wow, Hey, we have we have two callers
on waiting now, okay, so why don't we yet? I had some
really nice conversations in person with Charles Holt uh down there and uh so and
I can't believe it. They're both from North Carolina. And uh we have
Bobby who I actually met Bobby at your conference. Bobby, welcome to the
show. Hey, how you doing, Martin? I'm doing well. Thanks
for thanks for calling. This is a Kent is responsible for you and I
hanging out together. Yeah, yeah, well him in his beautiful family Um,
it was a great, great experience for me. I mean, Charles
House was there, they guy doing the aerial movie. I got to speak
to him for a while. He was there. What's what's his name again?
That's Randall Nickers. Yeah, yeah, Randal and uh. I mean
after the show on Saturday, I sat down and I got Timothy Good his
first corona with limes. We actually had to wait for the limes. So
I had a great time. Oh yeah, I joined you. I joined
you in that. I thought, Uh, Timothy was a real nice guy.
His some of his theories are a little bit out there, but he's
a nice guy. Smart too. I've actually had a couple of his books.
Yes he is. Um, I want to tell you if, mister
Center, I've actually had a lot of sightings. I moved here from Miami
in nineteen ninety five and I'm in central North Carolina, a little town called
Meppen and you're right down the street. I'm in Burlington. Oh okay,
we need to get together, and asked him. Um. One of the
sightings I had a couple of years ago, I was on the back deck
of Daytime sighting with my daughter and she said, Dad, what's that I
look up and it was. It was just a cylindrical craft. It was
brilliant white, and it was heading south skis. It was at least forty
thousand feet high or hot there, and at that height, if I'm correct,
it was large to an airliner. It was completely silent. If it
had been an airliner, I would have heard it, because I mean it
was it was large. I mean, holding your hand out, it was
probably about the size of a dime or bigger. So it's large, and
I know, I'm pretty sure it's a really high altitude, but it's that's
just identical to the March sighting in uh twenty eighteen. Of the two pilots
over Arizona, or one pilot asked the other probot he saw anything, and
as objects flew over their two planes, Yeah, same exact thing. So
wow about that thing. Hey, hey, hey, Bobby, thanks thanks
so much. We have another caller. Thanks for calling in and it was
a pleasure to meet you down there, and we've been actually in touch ever
since. So I was really glad that happened. I have one I did
want to tell him one more thing, go ahead, sure, Yeah,
there's actually there's actually a video out of a hotel in Canada where a guy
had he worked at the hotel. He had a UFO a close up UFO
event, and two men in black showed up to the hotel to look for
him, but he wasn't there that day. But there's actually a security camera
video at the front of the hotel and these guys were tall, weird looking
dress just like he mister Center described black, very tall, and they were
both on chemicals. So you could actually find that video on YouTube. Thank
you like black suits. Yeah all right, Bobby, Hey, take care
that that that YouTube film. Actually I found that after the conference. I
saw that online and somebody had called me about it, and Uh, the
funny thing was, that's kind of what they looked like. They were just
they had like, I don't know if you could tell it in that,
but their skin was almost like a sea through milky white. But they had.
Uh, the short guy that I said that did the talking is the
spitting image of in Nick Redford's book Men in Black. There's a picture that
somebody took of this guy standing on the side of the street leaning against the
building, and I swear that's the same man that came in and did the
talking to me. And that picture was taken so long ago. Creepy.
Uh, such a creepy thing. You know, there's there's so many people
that are talking about having these experiences with these Uh it's it's hard to ignore.
You can't ignore it. We have another caller calling from North Carolina.
Again. We have Greg on the air. Greg, welcome to the show.
You have a question for our guests, Sure, sure, hi,
Martin, how you're doing good? Good? Yeah? I had a question
about um, the men in black situations and just wondering if you ever were
able to determine as the police officer's head. And you know, I still
haven't gotten I've actually made three attempts to get down there speak with the public
relations to see if I can get some help, and they always seem to
be busy at the time. But I'm about ready to go back to my
friend again and get some help from him to kind of maybe push that door
open because I've just u yes, every you know, it seemed like every
time it's just a waste of time going downtown and checking checking with them.
I just keeps getting getting getting blown off. But uh, yeah, I
really do want to finish that up. How many years ago was that ken
Well, that happened in nineteen ninety three, Uh is when the actual incident
occurred. It was in nineteen ninety three. It was in May ninety three,
at the end of May. Okay, Greg, you have any other
questions or comments? Uh no, that was it. I was just wondering
about that because it was a very compelling story about the man in black hesitation,
and yeah, you know several of them, and that one was very
uh very interesting. It's it scared me. I tell you, I stopped
investigating for probably about four or five years there. Uh really, it really
shook me up pretty bad. Imagine. Yeah, that certainly. But I
appreciate the uh the show we watched all the time and might thanks. I
appreciate the call. Okay, all right, we have lines are open again.
Anyone can call in. That's eight five five four seven two five four
eight three. What were you saying, Kent? Uh? That's uh that
that whole m ib thing was just um. Like I say, I actually
stopped investigating for a while, and anytime a case were to be called to
me, I would just refer it down to somebody else. I was,
you know, one thing I forgot to mention is I sat in my chair,
I felt like an electric shock in my uh, in my stomach.
It's like I was being some type of electrical force coming in my stomach and
I wasn't I wasn't scared at the time. I was very curious, you
know, but I just felt it centered on my stomach. And I was
talking to Randall about that, and he noticed when he was filming, they
really harassed him. The helicopters flew over and one jet flew over. But
he was explaining that when the Camo guys out there at Area fifty one,
when they it gets towards dusk and everything go back away and then the military
shows up, and whoever his connection was out there was telling the distance you
need to stay back just to be safe. And from where he was filming,
he said he still felt like he was being you know, something was
hitting him and making him feel nauseated, and he had like an electrical tingling
feeling. But bizarre. I you know, I've had doctor Western asked me
one time about being hypnotized to go through this, and I've always veered away
from that. I've heard so much. I mean, there's a positive comes
out of it, but there's also all this negativity about it. You know,
it has to be the right person, you know, the one of
the things in your head and everything. You know. I'm just always,
yeah, I've always had been under the assumption I'm just gonna let my mind
whatever comes out comes out, you know, Like I forgot the guy that
was in training with me. I did call him to see if they showed
up at his house or anything, but this was years after the fact.
It's as if I just blacked out of that whole scenario, you know,
and didn't want to talk about it, and and I remembered more and more
as time came by on my own. So there's been a couple of other
sightings I've had that I don't want to really go public with. It's it's
uh yet that I will, but I'll probably write about it. But one
of the walls being in the car and next thing i know, I'm not
even I was on driving on the Interstate, and next thing I know,
I'm not even on the Interstate. And having a sighting of this craft taking
off is all I can remember. But one thing I do have is that
when it first occurred, the glass blew out of the back my back window.
My whole back window blew out. And when you're driving on the Interstate,
and when glass blows, it just got sucked all the way up to
my dashboard. And I'm on the Interstate driving late at night, and this
glass came flying towards the front of my car. I a just loud explosion,
and I just closed my eyes and slowed down naturally. And when I
did, and my eyes and was brushing, you know, just in case
there was glass slows around my eyes and brushing away from my eyes. And
when I did ope my eyes, I wasn't even on the Interstate I was
on. It was basically rode out in the country about a mile and a
half off the Interstate. And U The other funny thing was I had a
dog that was in the very back of the car. Uh, and the
dog was then it was in the seat next to me, laying down a
sleep and it was just really strange. But that's the doctor Western ask about
being hypnotized, and I just I just don't want to do that yet,
you know. Uh, maybe the way on if I get really sick,
Uh, maybe I'll push the issue. But I just found mind to go
ahead find out on its own, so right, doctor westrom Um, I
believe he's involved in the UFO data uh which actually possibly. Yeah, I
know he's getting up there in age. I hate to talk about people.
Yeah, he's I think he was in his eighties when he came and spoke
with us. But fascinating man. Yes, real nice man, real nice
gentleman came up and gave me a big hug after that little private meeting with
doctor Haynes. And I may be thinking that I was alone the wrong person
in particular, but I also wanted to know we do have, hopefully from
UFO data. We have someone coming in for that show that's going to be
hopefully on the twenty second of this month. And on that same show,
we're gonna have doctor Seth shaw Stack from the SETI Project. He's going to
be on the same show in the latter part of it. We're not really
going to be debating UFOs, but we're going to be talking about him.
I want to hear what his thoughts are these days. Ever since the Yea
Pentagon has you know, admitted to checking in UFOs out and all that,
So we'll see what he has to say. He gets a little intimidated by
uh not intimidating. He's not in a person you can intimidate, but he
does not like to talk UFOs too much. Well, you know, I
learned from doctor Haynes. You know, how can it really affect those their
field by coming out on this subject that was a sensitivity. As a matter
of fact, a lot of people don't know. Uh. Yeah, on
my I have the conference DVD that I did is called the Scholars Collection,
all the speakers, and they would not sign off on it if I put
Timothy Good in there, so I had to run a separate DVD for Timothy
Good in order in order to get there. I had these wanted to down.
At the last minute, they were going to back down and not even
come. And uh actually Nancy Talbot saved the day because she was friends with
uh Timothy Good. Unless you promised not to speak about aliens because they were
their governments won't allow them to come. He said, no, I won't.
And when I picked him up at the airport, first thing out of
his mouth, I'm going to talk about aliens watch this and he did so.
Yeah, I remember me, And I'm sure it's three thousand dollars for
production of another video. But God towards the ends there when we do do
the the I actually give these DVDs away for the cost of whatever the postage
to mail up to you. But anybody interested in in this, Uh,
my whole purpose was to get this out into the public. I sent this
off to schools. I sent us to the universities. Uh. Well,
while you're on the subject, why don't you give out information how people can
get a hold of you for that? Yeah, it's uh. I've closed
my website down, but I do have a Facebook page. It's the c
U f O r NCU at gmail dot com. Say that one more time.
It's c U f O r NC like Q four North Carolina's cu FO
r n C at gmail dot com. If you send me an email,
UM and just want to mail me the postage on it, I will mail
a copy of this no charge out. It's a good group of speakers.
I'll say that I would have never been more impressed by any speakers anywhere than
I was with that conference. You know, I think of I just wanted
the truth to get out and be taken seriously. You know, when I
had the media come, I just wanted it not to be viewed with a
taboo. It was always viewed. I wanted to see actual scientist. Elislie
was so helpful she could come, such a good friend and helped me throw
this group together. Yeah, and Timothy, he was one of the first
conferences speakers that I went to speak, So he was the first one I
asked to come. And after I did that, I found out maybe it
wasn't such a good idea of the rest of them, but I was impressed.
I went to the MUFUN Cherry Hill, New Jersey in twenty fourteen,
and uh, doctor Stephen Bassett came up to me and was so upset and
he was like, how did you get them to come to your conference?
Because he tried to get him to come to his uh you know, that
big hearing thing he had up in Washington, and they wouldn't they wouldn't attend,
and uh uh they came and spoke at mind. But he was a
little a little upset about that. But whatever way the word has to get
out, you know, I just you know North Carolina actually we hosted the
nineteen ninety six MUFON conference where uh doctor Mack was one of the speakers there.
Luckily enough to get to meet him and uh, doctor Lear was there
and we had some good speakers back then. But North Carolina's got a good
group. Uh. You know, we used to have one hundred and fifty
people come to our meetings ever every meeting, and uh, I think ever
since, I think they ever since the whole John Ventory deal went down with
MUFON and uh I personally, you know, emailed Jan and asked Jan to
please disassociate, you know, from Ufon's sake. Uh, you can't have
your national spokesman out there Saitan stuff like this. It's it's gonna, you
know, gonna hurt MUFON and uh and Lakida Adams was our state director and
um it just it was sad because it Lakida lost interest. Uh. We
never had to pay for stuff like like you do now with the brochures and
stuff. When when I started MUFON out, they would send us. We
got a good group together, and they're we've stopped having the big meetings.
We have about thirty of us get together for you us together. H And
every every so a few years, I'll throw a conference on draws. A
good gathering, but uh I had as many in two thousand and sixteen,
show up just about it. I did this big conference I had in twenty
thirteen. Uh So there's a god's a big following here in North Carolina people
interested in this subject. And uh I just tended a class in January at
Duke uh On UFOs by David Halperin gave this class. Uh so religion professor.
But uh he's back with uh before, you know, with Timothy Green
and back back in their early uh fifties and sixties with a Gray Barker and
all that. So he's got a lot of history in the UFOs. But
now is that that Mike getting back? My conference actually spurred uh Lakida gave
out, went out to a couple of colleges and gave talk. So I
was asked to. I've given talks to five high schools classes. Yeah,
it really did a lot to to push the issue out there and bring to
people's attention. Wow wow, Now we only have about five minutes left,
just to let you know, Okay, so if anyone wants to call in,
it's a last call for a call and that number is eight five five
four seven two five four eight three floor forever hold your piece. Now getting
back, you know, someone's posting on the chat room that you know,
John Ventry is still very involved in moufon. I thought I heard something about
that, but I thought he was out. But that's what That's what pretty
much has caused this abandiment of I mean, there's still a mufon chapter,
but it's not like it was. There's no really, we don't have a
website anymore or anything. I don't belong to mufon anymore. Uh. Look,
he has backed out. It's it's it's it did its damage. Um,
and I hate it because I've worked so hard all these years, you
know, and uh, you hear these stories he's out, he's in,
he's out, and you know, I hate to say, but I think
it just comes down to a money thing. You know. Just someone else
said that online. Um, I've read something about that. I don't know,
maybe six months ago, you know that. I mean, I can't
money, I can't. You know, I'm not an accountant, I'm not
in their books, so I can't make that accusation. But it's what's what
I've heard, and it's going around and I've heard of an outrageous salary that
he makes monthly. Jan makes monthly and it's just for all the people that
do hard work and good There were so many good people in in mew Fun
that works so hard and so diligently, and there's no science anymore, there's
no This is why I push everybody to Richard Hoffman. He's fantastic, right,
you know, and his scientific group that I mean, this is the
way you're going to come about the discoveries through science, and even our science
probably couldn't keep up with whoever these are. But uh, but that's the
only way that really, you know, can really solve his cases. Just
he to come right out when the government's come right out and uh, or
science itself, you know, and uh, he really just one thing that
impressed me about I really don't think the government knows all all that the people
think they know. I really don't. Yeah, and I'm fascinating. Like
France and Chile, for instance, they have their own organizations that are paid
for by the government that take this seriously, and they seriously will tell you
these crafts exist. They always have. And one of Jose's things was that
with sepha Is that he wanted to make sure to try to get the United
States to help them understand you know, is this your craft or are we
looking at something that's coming from somewhere else. You know, what they want
the United States, it's help and be more open and cannot believe like a
pilots couldn't talk about it. And there's so many countries that do allow,
you know, the exposure and for them to be free to talk about it.
But it's like the Chicago hare incident, you know, I mean,
if a tire blows up on a runway or a bolt falls off a plane
as it's on takeoff, you know, they got to clean the runway,
they got to follow report of FA and everything. And here's this craft that
wants to sit above the yeah, and and and there's nothing, nothing out
of FA. I mean, come on, you know everybody can see now
with the United States Navy is doing and announcing all this, all this distrust
they had with the government, they were right, you know that this stuff
has been hidden and they're coming out little by little more and more. You
know, it's a good thing Tom's done about that, Louise. Not that
they have all the answers or know everything, you know, and maybe this
is a in a way to get some attention, but at least it's a
start. At least it helped uncover this much so far. That's I don't
think anyone can disagree with that, I really know. But we are out
of time, so if you could once again give out your Facebook page,
if you could. Yeah, that's c U f O r n C at
gmail dot com. That's how you find it. That's the that's the that's
the website, and and my Gmail and the Facebook page is a Center for
UFO Research North Carolina. Thanks so much on Facebook. I can't believe the
time would buy so fast. Thanks so much. And you take care and
to stay healthy as you can. Thank you so much, Martin, and
gotta bless you. And yeah, keep it up, keep up the good
work, all right, take care, bye bye, all right everyone,
that's it for the show. Next week we have Kevin Day and Gary Voris
coming on, and thanks so much for listening. We have to go,
so keep your eyes to the sky and we'll see you next week.