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What is up, fellow thermonuclear a
efforts. I am Dana Valley coming at

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you with my fans, Abbylistic co
host Grant Hughes. Do we have NBA

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hot or not to get to?
And I would like to remind anyone watching

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community grow. But we need to
dig into everything that's happening. But we

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have to ask the most important question
first, Grant, how the hell are

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you doing? It's a jersey fitting? Okay, we are onto too hot

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or not? Which was you know, hat tipped two? And we'll do

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their question first or take first.
But Jolt the Goat came up with this

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idea and discord where the listeners in
our discord, just our discord, and

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we had an overwhelming number of responses. We'll give us their takes there that

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they consider hot but they actually believe, and we will react to them and

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decide whether they're too hot or they're
not. Which isn't to say like,

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oh this is lame or not hot
enough, but that Okay, this might

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be a little bit unhinged, but
it's the right amount of unhinged, the

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correct that's what we're looking for,
is the correct amount of unhinged. I

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love it. Yeah, So this
was the responses again, Like I said,

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we're overwhelming. We we're gonna try
and get to all of them,

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and Grant and I are going to
try and have a banner pace from here

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on out. I will start us
off and we'll rotate through them. And

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some of we have, like a
few of them are related, a lot

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of Calves ones and look shout out
too. I know you went through them.

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The lack of big market inquiries here, it's just like so on brand

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for our listeners. I love it
where it's like we care more about like

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the Pistons and the Jazz and the
Hornets than we do, like we don't

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need to talk about the Lakers.
And so I really appreciate that because we've

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had enough conversations about all those teams. So that even made me think not

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more. Bruce is very appreciative.
That's just like, oh, we have

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these people who are listening that actually
care about these non flagship franchises, and

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they don't despise us enough to the
point where they're actually sticking around and asking

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us about them. I appreciate that, No we cover the crevices like that.

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It seems like that. So let's
start here with joelt the goat,

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which this might have been my god, the toughest one to wrap my head

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around. Jade Nivy is the transcendent
star on the Pistons and not Kade Cunningham.

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Kade is good at everything on the
court, but he doesn't have any

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game breaking skills to push him into
that true heliocentric star role that many think

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he'll be. His lack of first
step quickness will lead to a lot of

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mid range jumpers, which will keep
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and he lacks the true shooting touch
to be a high volume scorer on off

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the dribble threes. Jane Nivy is
the guy with undeniable athleticism to throw defenses

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into rotation and force open looks for
himself and shooters against the highest levels of

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defense. Grant Hughes too hot or
not. It's a little too hot,

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but just barely. And that's why
I love this question. It was I

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was the first one that I looked
at it just barely, So to me,

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this is a question about ceiling.
That's that's like really all that's how

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I have to sort of like parse
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if if, if you don't think
this is too hot, is that Ivy

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has certain qualities that if he maximizes
them, give him a better chance to

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be like the best player on a
championship team type of offensive forced so and

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that Kade does not have those things, and so like everything that is in

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the question is like it's it's fair
like the you know, Cunningham so far

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doesn't have like the elite athleticism the
way to just completely collapse a defense,

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like someone like Ivy, who's super
athletics, super fast, like has some

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of that. Like just watching the
highlights from the Bucks game I watched,

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you know, just to kind of
refresh, you know, the comparison in

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my mind, Like Cunningham had a
better game statistically. I think he had

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twenty seven and you know a bunch
of other counting stats. Ivy was in

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the team somewhere. But Ivy's highlights
just pop right, And that's the reason

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you're getting this type of question.
Is he he does things athletically that a

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handful of guys can do. Kade
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when he was picked first overall,
I feel like, looking back at that

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draft class, the thought was,
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but man, he's definitely gonna be
very good, Like but great might

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be out of the question, and
it's obviously way too early to say that,

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but like, yeah, Ivy just
explodes and Cunningham has to use craft

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and like change a pace and his
size and you know, to accomplish the

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same kind of things, just a
couple of stats, like to push back

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a little bit. So Kate is
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is right now. It's like stupid
early. It's seven games or whatever it

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is into Ivy's career when we're recording
this, like that seems likely to change.

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But just at the moment, Cunningham
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offense and he's a better facilitator so
far. So I think that's if that's

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that's a big point in Kade's favorite
Kid's also improved a lot as a pick

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and roll ball, pick and roll
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being like the you know, not
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offense on a good team. I
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harder. He's not as good as
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is just speaks to the way Ivy
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heels. It's a little too hot, But like I get it. I

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get the idea that if both players
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good as they can be, then
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and cutting him maybe isn't. I
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the exercise, so I appreciate the
thought, and it really made me think,

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I we need to, like,
let's see kid playing entire season first.

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And I know we're worried about the
efficiency and they're sort of the sea

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sawing aggression levels here. I can't
pretty muchself to care about the efficiency.

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He's up to like thirty five plus
percent on catching shoot threes. That's fine

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for me. When you look at
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the step packs, I think it's
fine. You probably want it to.

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You know, at the point where
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going through the motions of those a
lot quicker than kay cutting him. I

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don't know that he needs to be
super click. I look at his ability

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to manipulate the defense at more of
a deliberate cadence as a huge asset,

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and it's reflected in the way that
the Pistons play already. I mean,

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look, their effective field goal percentage
this year increases by almost twelve points when

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he's on the floor. And you
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rookie, and so does it matter
that Detroit has an offensive rating of one

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twenty four when Kaye plays without Ivy
versus ninety seven point two when Ivy plays

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without Kade. Again, I'm gonna
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Like Kate cutting him is already there
to where now that you've given him

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some space to operate with Balyad mcdonovitch
on the floor, he's really able to

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pick things apart. And I do
think a lot of the efficiency will come

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later. Do I want half of
his jumpers to come from mid range even

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when he's taken them at a forty
seven percent clip right now? No?

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I don't. I don't think that
that's sustainable or smart. But we've also

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seen someone like Demard Rosen carve out
in all NBA caliber career while being a

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player who probably operates at Yeah,
there was more explosion in prime to Marta

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Rozen and even probably now than Kay
Cunningham, but like he can be that

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type of a just break down these
set defensive player where I don't know if

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Jay n Ivey will already get there. I do see to Jay Nive's credit

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more than I did when I was
crash coursing for the draft when people compared

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him to John Morant. I see
it now. I thought it was like

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it could be like a very lazy
comp but there are moments when you really

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see it with his decision making.
I trust his ability to shoot more than

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I did with him coming into the
league. So I understand. I guess

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why, based off what we've already
seen, you could go that route because

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Jay Nivey is sort of wowed,
maybe more than Kay did with his efficiency

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early on in his career. I
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And even if Kay doesn't give you
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foul line pressure, rim pressure,
He's just going to be the more transcendent

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player to me because of how he
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whether he's working within tight spaces or
open spaces. And look, let's not

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discount that we're talking a lot of
this has to do with physical traits.

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But this is someone who is they
list him at six six. He feels

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like he's bigger than that and is
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really rock solid, if not better
asset defensively long term. So I would

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call this not even a little too
hot for me. I think it's way

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too hot. But maybe this is
just more testament than it is of Oh,

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well Kade is at It's just like, well Jay and Ivy is really

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just sort of blown us away.
Yeah. I think it also kind of

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comes down into, in addition to
being about the ceiling for these guys,

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it comes down to like which unteachable
qualities are more valuable because they each have

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like certain attributes that sort of are
just inborn that you're not going to coax

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out of a player, like or
probably not, Like Ivy's athleticism is just

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like that's just rare, and you
can't like make a guy be able to

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move around the floor the way that
he does, but cunning him I think

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too. His ability to kind of
get to a spot at whatever pace he

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needs to go to get there,
Like that's a heart. I don't know

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if that's totally unteachable, but at
the very least, it's really hard to

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learn. Like a lot of guys
take a really long time to get half

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as good at Kate as Kate is
right now at just well, I need

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to get down to the right block. I'm gonna do that, and I'm

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not going to do it by blowing
by somebody, Like I'm just gonna get

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there. So I do think I
think you're right, Like it's way too

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it's too early to say this.
It's it's it's probably too hot, but

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like I do think it's more likely. So it's impossible for Cunningham to eventually

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develop some of the skills that Ivy
has. Like he's never gonna be that

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fast, he's never going to explode
off the floor, he's never gonna throw

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himself into bodies, hang in the
air and finish like that kind of stuff.

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Ivy might be able to learn a
little bit of, like the craft

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stuff, Like it's way too early, but that ties back into ceiling.

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It's just like how good, how
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the real answer probably it's your credit
is like, it's way too early to

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say, like, we don't know. Kate is already really really good.

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Also, he's shooting I just looked
this up an he's shooting six of ten

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on step back jumpers this year.
That's always ka it is Kate is okay.

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Well, that's you know, I
guess what, He's better than Ivy

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right now. The only other thing
I was going to ask on this is

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do you have has like anything changed
about even if you were concerned or not

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in the first place, about how
you feel about these two together long term

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moving forward? Do you view it
as more workable less workable when you than

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you initially thought? And one of
the things I thought that came to mind

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as I was trying to, you
know, put an answer together for this

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is like, I mean, it
almost doesn't matter because they see it seems

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to me like, man, they're
gonna work great. Like they're very complimentary.

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I think I think they have such
different games and they could improve in

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such different ways. Uh that like
this this should work like And I really

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almost want to get out ahead of
it and be like, can we not

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do the Jalen Brown Jason Tatum.
We got to break these guys up,

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you know, three years from now, because they haven't won a title yet.

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I feel like there's that kind of
potential where you just have these two

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great guys that can play, learn
to play off each other and be like,

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you know, the cornerstones of a
really good team. I'm I'm more

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optimistic than I was because it seems
like their skill sets are divergent to the

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point of they are complimentary. But
the you know, Jay and Ivy shooting,

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for example, a higher clip on
pull up threes than catch and shoot

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threes, Like that's something that needs
to They at least need to like even

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out a bit and that's just something
to watch. But again, I am

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more confident in Jay and ivy shooting
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So I'm with you. I think
it works long term. I still think

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we look at this pairing and I
just we fast forward three four years,

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assuming they're still together. I just
think that we might look back at this

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even discussion and be like, well, what were we kind of thinking?

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But yeah, no, I agree. So let's let's turn to another non

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glamour franchise and what will be the
first of many such pivots from Bower three.

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If the Pacers turned Buddy Healed into
a pick from the Lakers, or

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really any asset, I think we
should probably be clear on what asset we're

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talking about when we answer this.
The Haliburton Sabonus trade should be considered one

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of the worst trades of the last
decade. For I'm assuming four Kings,

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which is because yeah, exactly,
is that way too hot? Hot?

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Not hot at all? Worst trade
in the last decade. There's some doozies

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out there. I looked up some, so I'm curious what you got.

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Yeah, I would say that's too
hot, because like Doma Sabonis has still

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been good in Sacramento. If Tyrris
Halibert and goes on to become like one

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of the ten best players in the
NBA for an extended stretch of time,

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it's like the King's pumping on that
because they couldn't figure out how to make

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it work with Fox and Halibert.
And I do think both those players were

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culpable. The only thing, and
I don't use the word but labor.

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Again, I don't want to have
to keep relitigating this from the Kings.

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They still got an all star caliber
player who's just you know, been fantastic

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for them on offense, even when
it's just like there is some stretches with

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the Kings this season where feels like
he's not as involved as he needs to

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be. But at the same time, Darren Fox is playing out of his

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mind at the moment, So they
still got a really good player who was

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probably the better player at the time
of the trade and might still be the

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better player. It's just that he's
playing second fiddle to like where Tyris Haliburton

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is now number one on his team. It feels too soon to say that

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for me, and it's just I
think if you want to criticize the Kings

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for saying or getting to a point
where they thought they needed to choose between

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Fox and Haliburton for sure, do
I think you could end up being one

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of the worst trades that we look
like, not this single worst, I'll

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be shocked, Like, don't bots
a bonus. You have to fall off

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a cliffer. You just have to
leave in free agency for nothing after the

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you know, the Kings don't even
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this feels a little too spicy.
I do think I'm like, Tyre's Halliburton.

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To me though, is that guy
and I would not have made the

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trade Viles Sacramento. I think he
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in the NBA right now. So
yeah, I think I think it's a

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little too hot, but I do
want to my hot take. Maybe I'll

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just inject this into the discussion.
Is I think Haliburton right now today is

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a better player than dearon Fox.
And I also think he's a better player

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than Sabonis and and the you know, Fox has played great, like Fox

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has been better than he's been maybe
ever to start the season. I think

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Haliburton is better today. And so
it was like it was I was,

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I was like, you could have
persuaded me at the time the trade was

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done that like, yeah, maybe
Sabonis is going to get you to that

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play, get you in sniffing distance
of the playoffs, which is what you

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want. I don't think that's the
right thing to want, but I sort

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of get it. Haliburton, who
knows right, And Fox is the guy

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you've thrown your lot in with because
you max them out, Like I get

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it now. I think the trade's
a huge mistake, just enormous because I

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think Haliburton's better than all those guys
still on his rookie scale deal. I

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think he does a lot of things
that Fox cannot and does not do to

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make teammates better. So just throw
that out there. But like the bar

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for worst trade of the last ten
years is super high to clear, Like

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the Steakes need to be bigger first
of all, because like if this goes

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really bad, Haliburton's great and the
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Like how different? How much has
franchise really changed? Like look at

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just to take two, Like the
ridiculous you know Nets Celtics trade that mortgage

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the Nets entire stock of draft picks
for Garnett and Pierce for years and years

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and years. Just look at the
Russell Westbrook trade of the Lakers. It

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derailed a team that won a title
like a few months before that trade,

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and now that team is like it's
a lost cause you know. So there's

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there's a real high articleer for worst
trade in the last ten years. So

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that's why this is too hot.
But it's not a good trade. I'll

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tell you that hell Burn's really good
and the Kings are gonna wish they didn't

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do that. So you're almost like
a little too hot, wow? Or

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no, only a little too hot
is what you ended up at, Only

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a little just because the bar is
so high, Like there have been some

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like franchise destroying trades, and this
doesn't rise to is there any other one

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that you feel compelled to note after
researching them? I mean, there's a

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James Harden trade. We could talk
about that one. I don't know what

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I feel like you're implying there's one
I should be mentioning. No, I

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was just curious because I didn't even
put I thought that the take was so

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hot that I didn't even like bother
a go back and sort of look at

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this, because I mean, you
could, you know, throw someone's off

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the cuff. And I don't know
how you deal with like the superstar trades

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necessarily when you're talking about like,
well they were forcing their way out,

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do you criticize teams were getting rid
of them? Are the teams that actually

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acquired them? But I mean the
first, weirdly, the first one that

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came to mind that I didn't include
was when the Knicks traded a first and

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some other stuff for Barnianni and I
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like, really it was it was. I was super against it vocally,

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like more than I normally would be, and I got so much pushback from

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Knicks fans. I was like stunned. It's like, this was a number

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one pick. This guy's gonna be
great. It's like a self selecting group,

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right, that's like stupid to begin
with. So they're gonna come out

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and defend the trade. But yeah, that one, that one was not

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as bad as like the Nets giving
up first round picks for a thousand years

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or Russell Wallfsbrook destroying Lakers. The
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I've enough attention. That's the one
that I was. I was wondering if

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you're gonna get there. The Spurs
Kawhi Leonard trade wasn't good. I know

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they got a good enough haul for
demarda Rosen, but like that set them

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back from an actual rebuild and just
put them in this very weird that they're

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fun, they're frisky now and there
are a lot of players to like on

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the roster, but when you look
at just the return they got on what

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was a top five player in the
NBA at the time, I know he

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was entering free agency, but the
package they favored that ends up being a

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pretty bad Yeah. That was kind
of the beginning of the end of the

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Spurs really, right like once Kawhi
was gone, he was kind of the

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last meaningful piece of what the Spurs
used to be. And then you know,

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now here we are was the was
the Rondo trade this decade to Dallas?

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It was that was that was definitely
in the running because they gave up

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a first and they had him for
like well it's like what less like a

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month, Like what was it before
him and Carlisle just like clearly couldn't work

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and he was gone? Was it? There was another? Oh? Some

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of the ones I didn't include were
where a team gave up like draft rights

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to a pick for something that became
somebody great, you know, like I

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want to say, uh, like
Damion the pick that became Damian Lillard was

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like in a Gerald Wallace trade or
something like that, and like, oh,

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man, I had it, now
I've lost it because I've thought about

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too many trades. Oh well,
just the I'm pretty sure the George Hill

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for the pick that became Kawhi trade
was like, you know, that.

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That's pretty bad. But but Kawaiet
you couldn't have known at the time.

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I forget if that was draft night
and you knew it was Kawhi or if

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it was the draft rights to that
pick, and I think it was draft

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I think it was draft night,
but that was I think that might actually

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also fall outside the scope of a
decade at this point too. Oh it

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might. Yeah, the Harden trade
actually might too, I think by by

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a few months. But I mean, oh, I thought you were talking

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about this second, which for the
next looks like an abomination at this point.

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Now, well, yeah, that's
really bad now too, because but

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leave it to the nets man,
they just love to give away decade's worth

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of draft picks. Yeah, that
was a good one, and I like

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that one. Let's move on.
We have a bunch on the Calves,

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so I'll try and break this down
one by one. This one comes from

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the first of if you come from
Muckle, let's start here. Too hot

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or not. The Calves have four
all stars in Mobili, Donna, Mitchell,

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Jarron Owen, Darius Garland. I
think that's hard to do and that

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feels a little too hot, except
they're the one seed right now. And

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the Atlanta Hawks did it, you
know, and whatever that was fifteen or

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fourteen, I forget what year it
was. So if the Hawks can do

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it because they had a super good
record and they had several really good players,

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it's not it's only a little too
hot the rest of this, Like

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you know, Mitchell, I don't
know, I want to talk to myself

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out of all of it, but
you know, the Calves have been really

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good and all of those, all
those takes are kind of plausible. I

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don't know, it's just barely too
hot. So yeah, I would say

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it's just barely too hot, I
think because look, Jarronowin makes it last

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year and his numbers are a little
bit more modest this year, but that's

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gonna matter to voters if you think
he belongs on the All Star team.

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We can make that case. When
I'll say, and none the four All

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Stars is too hot, well,
Darius Garland have played in enough games by

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then. I also think like there's
got to be a point where they go

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through the motions a little bit.
With Mitchell and Garland playing off one another,

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to say they have two to three
two is probably absolutely just not even

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a little bit spicy. Three gets
interesting because it says Evan Mobley done enough,

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will people recognize his value defensively some
of the progress he's made on offense,

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which is just like, man,
he does these things like if he's

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just like spinning and I'm just like
my heart will just stop and it's it's

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sort of his offense is formless,
but like in the best possible way where

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it could end up being anything.
At this moment, the next one,

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the Cavs have the MVP in Donovan
Mitchell this is also from Muckle, and

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the defensive Player of the Year in
Alan Or Mobley. Also Kevin Love wins

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six Man of the Year. So
are any of those too hot or not?

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I mean, if you're giving me
the field over any of those,

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I'm obviously taking the field. But
like Mitchell, who's I mean, who's

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got a who's got a way better
MVP case than than Mitchell? I did

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an MVP ladder for Bleach Report.
You or Donovan Mitchell ended up number two?

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Okay, do you know the player
who's in front of him? That?

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I think it's gonna be very hard
for anyone to catch. Who's that?

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Oh? I thought you honest?
Well yeah, okay, it's yeah,

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I mean that's the thing you're gonna
run up against your honest theoretically,

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Steph like Yoki's numbers will get better. All the usual suspects I think should

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be involved, but like right now
today, I mean, Mitchell's this is

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Mitchell's never been this good. Like
it's not it's not close. He's just

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at a different level. And it's
you know, a tiny sample. Obviously,

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we feel like we should just like
put a big stamp on this pod

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that you know, small sample alert. So let's frame it this way.

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Which of these awards is most likely
to till and we have another Cleveland award

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question? But I don't think let's
stick with these. Which of those awards

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is a Cleveland player most likely the
way between Defensive Player of the Year,

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sixth Man of the Year MVP and
if you want to throw most improved player

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in there as well, I think
that's fair too. Yeah, I think

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I think Mitchell's a little over his
head. I mean he has to be

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so honestly, I think Mobile winning
Defensive Player of the Year because I have

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to stick to my guns on that, because I pegged him, you know,

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part with your last year as someone
I thought would win several of those

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awards, and it doesn't feel like
it's too early yet. I actually don't

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know what the what the Calves are
doing with respect defensive efficiency because they're the

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team you don't check on. They're
the team you don't check on in those

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rankings because you watch them and it's
just like you see Evan Mobley and Jared

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Now it's just like, oh,
this is fucking over for posing offenses right

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now. I'm like, mob who
do you like out of those? I'm

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gonna say Donovan Mitchell for MVP,
because I really Kevin Love has been great.

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But do you know how many times
we've had a six Man of the

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Year who's average like under twenty seven
minutes a game or whatever the number is.

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It's like twice since the existence of
the award. I just don't know

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that he's gonna have the playing time
to do it. I didn't have him

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my top five at this point.
I would absolutely have been my top five

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if not at the top. And
so I just think when MVP also is

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so narrative based, where it's okay, this team is already good, but

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now of a sudden, the Calves
are a contender and Donovan Mitchell's there and

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he had to navigate a stretch without
Darius Garland. The key to that,

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I will say, is what happens
when Darius Garland comes back. They are

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supposed to be very complimentary, but
is there going to be a learning curve?

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We've already see Donovan Mitchell struggle with
some of the timing on his passes.

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With this team, you would expect
that. And then for Defensive Player

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of the Year, I just think
that when you have him in Mobile and

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Jared Allen, there's that cannibalization that
goes on, and we see it with

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MVP when you have dual stars,
which could impat Cleveland by the way,

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if we get deep enough into the
season, depending on how well Garland or

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Mobley specifically we'll be playing. But
I think it's Dono Mitchell because now we

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have this early season narrative bump and
the Calves have gone from oh quaint,

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maybe a playing team last year too? Are they a contender? So I

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have that and to this is the
last one from Muckle. The Calves take

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the one seed in the East and
best record in the NBA. I mean,

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how high do we need to get
on the Cavs. I will say,

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you know, they have the best
net rating right now, they have

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the highest SRS for Basketball Reference,
which does factor in strength the schedule,

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even though that's kind of wonky this
early too, because you know certainly the

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other things. It's just like they're
there without almost this body of work has

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been almost entirely without Darius Garland,
who didn't look that good in the few

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minutes that he played this year.
Right, that's the argument, right,

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like they're doing this and all the
stuff. You would say, oh,

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well, that's gonna get better as
they play more. It's like the familiarity

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with one another, like Donovan Mitchell
is a big piece to introduce, like

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a high usage guy. I mean, like no one could have foreseen it

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going this well, Like the fact
that they're here now when you would have

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assumed they're kind of working the kinks
out or kind of seeing who likes the

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ball where or how do the how's
the rotation? Like all that's really good.

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And I don't think Garland is the
type of guy that when the type

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of player that when he's back,
oh he's kind of disruptive. You have

405
00:24:55,119 --> 00:24:57,039
to really adjust to what Darius Garland
does on the floor. It's not like

406
00:24:57,079 --> 00:25:02,160
it's you know, someone's super ball
dollar. It's not like you're, well,

407
00:25:02,279 --> 00:25:03,960
we play one way with Trey Young
in a different way without him,

408
00:25:04,079 --> 00:25:08,759
or you know, still like there's
no he doesn't like fundamentally force everybody else

409
00:25:08,759 --> 00:25:11,400
to like change what they do.
If anything, he makes it easier.

410
00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:15,880
I think so, like and the
and the other factors. So that's not

411
00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:21,119
too hot there that they can finish
with the best record. I think too

412
00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:26,240
like they are at a stage in
their development, like certain teams are not

413
00:25:26,279 --> 00:25:29,279
gonna gun for a bunch of regular
season wins. We've already seen that this

414
00:25:29,319 --> 00:25:30,920
year happens every year. The Cavs
are a team that like, yeah,

415
00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:33,480
man, let's try to win sixty? Why not? Like this is fun?

416
00:25:33,599 --> 00:25:37,440
You know, they're at last stage
where I think that's maybe more of

417
00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:41,000
a priority. I will say not
too hot on number one seed in the

418
00:25:41,039 --> 00:25:48,279
East, although the frigging Bucks being
undefeated still while like no Middleton, no

419
00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:52,640
Middleton or Paton like that or Joe
Ingles. So I'm gonna say too hot,

420
00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:55,960
I'm best record in the NBA because
I'm heading my best Like the Suns

421
00:25:55,960 --> 00:25:57,200
are still kind of a buzz saw. The bench has been stronger than I

422
00:25:57,240 --> 00:26:00,240
expected. CB three hasn't shot the
ball too well to start the season,

423
00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:03,799
so they're going to get better,
I would imagine. But between the Suns

424
00:26:04,279 --> 00:26:07,880
and the Bucks just having Yann,
it's like we have to account for that.

425
00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:11,960
And then it's oh, like is
Portland or Utah that might mind up

426
00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:15,359
in this conversation due for some reason, also too hot on the best record

427
00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:19,039
in the NBA. But all your
points are are well taken and last last

428
00:26:19,039 --> 00:26:22,400
thing, sorry last thing on them, Like this is all a totally different

429
00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:27,279
discussion than would you pick them to
win a playoff series against Boston against Milwaukee

430
00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:32,200
against like some of these teams that
are more even like I don't know Toronto

431
00:26:33,279 --> 00:26:36,519
Philly if they get it figured out, like the playoffs are different, like

432
00:26:36,599 --> 00:26:40,119
I think, you know, I'm
really confident about the Calves as a regular

433
00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:42,519
season team. I do feel like, you know, they're sort of more

434
00:26:42,559 --> 00:26:48,039
of a like Memphis of last year
level playoff ceiling team, which is good.

435
00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:52,519
But I'm not envisioning the Calves winning
you know, two or three playoffs

436
00:26:52,519 --> 00:26:55,119
series. I don't think not yet. It's too early for that. So

437
00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:57,160
we have more calv stuff. This
is I should have looped this in jt

438
00:26:57,279 --> 00:27:02,680
Alexander Donovan Mitchell's an MVP can eight
in Cleveland right now, too hot or

439
00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:06,160
not? I would say not that's
right now. Specifically, he's probably one

440
00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:12,240
of the five so that looped into
there. Luke J thirty seven had the

441
00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:15,240
casual finish in the top three of
the East, and Donna Mitch will be

442
00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:18,640
in the top five of MVP voting. This is a little bit more interesting

443
00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:23,720
because we're talking about the full season. I will say not not too hot

444
00:27:23,799 --> 00:27:27,400
top five voting because we're so early
on and you just look at these names.

445
00:27:27,799 --> 00:27:32,079
By the way, can you guess
a name that I had in my

446
00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:34,960
top ten that you don't think would
be maybe a consensus or people haven't paid

447
00:27:36,039 --> 00:27:37,480
enough attention to if you just had
to, if you were making a top

448
00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:41,559
ten MVP bout off the top of
your head right now, Oh, did

449
00:27:41,559 --> 00:27:45,319
you include Harden or something? No? Oh, god, no, I

450
00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:48,599
have no idea. I don't have
say in there at the moment. But

451
00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:52,680
anyway, so I would say I
wouldn't lean towards definitely top three in the

452
00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:56,799
East. Because remember I came on
the podcast and we were doing truth or

453
00:27:56,799 --> 00:28:00,119
Trash. I said the three is
their floor. That's clearly not hot enough

454
00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:06,240
for me. This that feels about
right, like that's hot. But it's

455
00:28:06,279 --> 00:28:08,799
a hot take because of all the
teams. I already mentioned that I would

456
00:28:08,799 --> 00:28:11,480
favor over them in a playoff series
for example. A different argument, but

457
00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:17,440
that's sort of how I organized my
thinking. Not too hot, the top

458
00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:21,960
three in the East and Mitchell top
five MVP. That's totally plausible based on

459
00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:25,440
what we've seen so far. Justin
rowan friend of the podcast, has been

460
00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:27,880
on many times, and I appreciate
him pretending like he actually listens to us

461
00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:32,000
because he has way better things to
do with his time. This wand away

462
00:28:32,039 --> 00:28:36,759
is interesting. Jamie Bickerstaff, Kobe
Altman with the Coach of the Year Executive

463
00:28:36,759 --> 00:28:41,519
of the Year sweep grant. Too
hot or not? That's pretty hot.

464
00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:44,799
That's pretty hot. I mean I
think that's a little too hot. I

465
00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:49,400
mean, you know what though,
if if, if you we end this

466
00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:52,440
season, and I don't know what
the record would be, but if the

467
00:28:52,519 --> 00:28:59,039
Cavs are where they are, like
top five defensive rating, barely out of

468
00:28:59,079 --> 00:29:02,200
the top five offense, then you're
almost gonna have to He's gonna have to

469
00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:06,880
be a finalist Bickerstaff, right,
and then I don't know about Kobe Altman

470
00:29:07,039 --> 00:29:11,880
just because the Jared Allen thing kind
of fell into their lap and that's not

471
00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:17,480
this year. The grant remains sorry
by the way the time, Yeah,

472
00:29:17,559 --> 00:29:22,279
should I still say sorry? Now? Mobiley was like the right quote unquote

473
00:29:22,319 --> 00:29:25,799
obvious pick. I don't. I'm
not sure my forgetting something that would really

474
00:29:26,119 --> 00:29:30,039
elevate Altman too that to that level. No, I guess because there's only

475
00:29:30,079 --> 00:29:33,480
like the one major transactions. Some
we're also like bringing back Ricky Rubio.

476
00:29:34,119 --> 00:29:37,240
Could that end up mattering the Dean
like the Dean weight extensions? You're probably

477
00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:41,200
that was highway robbery by Cleveland as
far as I'm concerned. Oh, you

478
00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:42,559
know what, And well, Danny
Ainge probably should get it, but they're

479
00:29:42,599 --> 00:29:45,720
not gonna give it to a guy
that blew up a roster. That's not

480
00:29:45,759 --> 00:29:49,400
how it works. It's always it's
if he if they hold Pat or just

481
00:29:49,559 --> 00:29:53,240
in the play in or something.
I mean, he might trade those guys

482
00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:57,279
for like five more first rounders.
They're not dead. Yeah, So I

483
00:29:57,359 --> 00:30:02,720
actually think it's probably I'm gonna say
too hot here, I will say I

484
00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:04,119
think Kobe olt was more likely to
win Executive of the Year than J.

485
00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:07,319
B. Baker's have is the win
coach of the year would be my guest.

486
00:30:07,039 --> 00:30:11,880
And who would be here if we're
executive your ends right now? Who

487
00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:14,359
would have it for you? Would
probably be Koby Altman. I'd give it

488
00:30:14,359 --> 00:30:15,680
to any age. I mean,
like, that's all right, Yeah,

489
00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:18,039
that's fair. Yeah, that's I
mean, that's he won't get it,

490
00:30:18,079 --> 00:30:21,839
but that's who I give it to. Well as of right now. Why

491
00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:26,839
wouldn't he get it? What you
have probably picked and like the third best

492
00:30:26,839 --> 00:30:30,519
team in the year, they're going
to be the four seed in the West,

493
00:30:30,559 --> 00:30:33,920
and they're gonna have a thousand first
rounders is going forward. I did

494
00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:37,920
not expect to wind up in this
discussion, though Joe Cronin in Portland having

495
00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:40,759
a strong case too. I gave
them a high off season grade. I

496
00:30:41,039 --> 00:30:44,960
walked off them being like a good
playoff team potentially, but I was sort

497
00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:48,200
of correct. Should we move on
to another another non glamor market. Yes,

498
00:30:48,519 --> 00:30:51,359
I believe it's your turn, right, Yeah, okay, yeah,

499
00:30:51,359 --> 00:30:55,759
it's me. This is from tybol
Is it tyble or thible? I say

500
00:30:55,799 --> 00:31:00,000
it tible, But I might be
reading too much into the basketball reference Pronuncie,

501
00:31:00,279 --> 00:31:03,000
and that's what most of the announcers
say. I believe. I try

502
00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:06,240
and go like what the home teams
are saying as well. But all right,

503
00:31:06,519 --> 00:31:12,200
anyway, the really uh steal prone
Sixers, defensive wing dpo yuh.

504
00:31:12,599 --> 00:31:18,039
The performance of Dyson Daniels, Trey
Murphy and Herb Jones will have a greater

505
00:31:18,119 --> 00:31:22,599
impact on the Pelicans success this season
than CJ. McCollum and Brandon Ingram.

506
00:31:22,759 --> 00:31:27,279
No disrespect either of them. I
should I should note, uh, too

507
00:31:27,279 --> 00:31:32,480
hot for you, Dad, I
think it's way too hot for me.

508
00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:37,039
I will I will say, Look, Dyson Daniels is a monster defensively already

509
00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:40,519
we know what HERM Jones can do
when when he's out the tray. Murphy

510
00:31:40,519 --> 00:31:44,279
the third has really impressed me with
his offense specifically, there's just so many

511
00:31:44,319 --> 00:31:47,839
more layers than even showed last season, where the level of difficulty even on

512
00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:51,440
his assisted shots where it's like he's
coming off motion, that's a big deal.

513
00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:55,359
And he's shown some on ball shake
but and I know he's been in

514
00:31:55,359 --> 00:31:57,920
concussion about like Brandon Ingram's ridiculously good. And I think we've seen even when

515
00:31:57,960 --> 00:32:04,039
CJ. McCollum's not scoring, he's
provided like structure and balance to the half

516
00:32:04,039 --> 00:32:07,519
court offense at points. That is, if you wanted to say that collective

517
00:32:07,599 --> 00:32:10,039
is going to be more valuable than
CJ. McCollum this year, maybe trying

518
00:32:10,039 --> 00:32:13,960
to scale ahead to some of their
best defensive lineups in the playoffs, if

519
00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:17,119
they're able to steal a series that
might not be too hot. This feels

520
00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:24,039
to me, and no disrespect tyble
dpoy, this feels incredibly incendiary. That's

521
00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:28,279
row that with this it's too hot. I mean, like I'm just going

522
00:32:28,319 --> 00:32:32,160
to parse it out greater impact.
They'll have a greater impact, that's the

523
00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:37,200
question. Like Ingram and McCollum are
going to be, if not the two

524
00:32:37,279 --> 00:32:40,200
highest usage Pelicans this year, two
of the three, depending on what Zion's

525
00:32:40,279 --> 00:32:44,200
usage rate is. So just like
in terms of who is affecting the game

526
00:32:44,279 --> 00:32:47,000
and who is sort of organizing the
other pieces, and like as great as

527
00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:52,079
certainly Murphy and Jones are and as
good as Daniels might be, like they're

528
00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:55,880
complimentary pieces right now. Jones is
like a game wrecker and is just a

529
00:32:55,920 --> 00:33:00,079
different type of player. But like
you know, there there just aren't a

530
00:33:00,119 --> 00:33:05,519
lot of high usage, high efficiency, primary ball handler, playmaker guys,

531
00:33:05,519 --> 00:33:07,519
like they're always gonna have a bigger
impact. Like I get the spirit of

532
00:33:07,599 --> 00:33:10,279
the question, Like these three guys
are great, They're gonna be awesome in

533
00:33:10,319 --> 00:33:14,960
their roles, and they've all,
you know, kind of exceeded expectations gotten

534
00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:17,000
better. Just like, that's not
that's way too hot. There's no way,

535
00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:22,799
how about this Pelicans one though,
the Pelicans are making the finals this

536
00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:25,880
year, let's just get hotter and
finishing with the best record in the West.

537
00:33:27,079 --> 00:33:31,480
Book it that's from T Bloom one
seventeen. That's too hot there.

538
00:33:31,519 --> 00:33:34,960
I don't think we were high enough
on the Pelicans. Were pretty high on

539
00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:37,880
them mentoring the season. I built
them as a fifty game winner and that

540
00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:39,920
they could win a playoff series.
If he would have if this would have

541
00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:45,000
if T. Bloom would have just
said the Pelicans make the Western Conference finals,

542
00:33:45,359 --> 00:33:47,920
I probably would have been like,
that's that's not too hot, because

543
00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:50,839
that's just where I'm at with them, and we need to see more of

544
00:33:50,839 --> 00:33:52,880
them at full strength. The last
you know, some of the minutes when

545
00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:57,200
they're downsizing off the bench have not
been great. I'm just a very big

546
00:33:57,240 --> 00:34:00,279
believer in the depth of this roster, It's like you can play a ship

547
00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:02,319
ton of different ways where it's,
oh if what if we just rolled out

548
00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:05,839
Zion with all four defenders. I
don't know what the spacing looks like with

549
00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:08,639
Trey Murphy, Harley Alvarado, Herb
Jones and Dison Daniels. Probably not great,

550
00:34:08,639 --> 00:34:12,079
but like he just bulled Dooz his
way to the rim anyway, Like

551
00:34:12,119 --> 00:34:15,079
what is that? Can they rebound
enough? But I do think in theory,

552
00:34:15,199 --> 00:34:17,599
Larry Nance Junior plus Zion should work. And then it's just like,

553
00:34:19,199 --> 00:34:21,639
yeah, they're the best three point
shooting team the NBA right now, they

554
00:34:21,679 --> 00:34:23,280
do not take enough of them.
How much does that matter when their offense

555
00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:27,800
has been so good? Anyway,
I'm a big believer in the Pelicans team,

556
00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:30,920
and so it's like when it came
back to I don't know which one

557
00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:32,320
I gave you on truth or trash, but I said the New Orleans Pelicans

558
00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:36,760
are more likely to win the title
this season than the Sixers or the Miami

559
00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:39,760
Heat. That takes aging pretty well
right now. That's all I'm saying.

560
00:34:40,119 --> 00:34:44,679
It's aging pretty well. This take
is too hot. Obviously, we agree.

561
00:34:45,519 --> 00:34:51,119
I think it's sort of like the
Calves, where I mean the best

562
00:34:51,159 --> 00:34:54,800
record in the West is way more
plausible to me than making the finals,

563
00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:59,400
just because the regular season in the
playoffs are two totally different things, and

564
00:34:59,599 --> 00:35:04,960
I just I'm not ready to say
that the Pelicans are are currently more than

565
00:35:05,159 --> 00:35:07,960
a team that could win a ton
of regular season games and then run into

566
00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:10,280
like a team that has real,
like high leverage reps and like knows what

567
00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:13,639
it is Like the Pelicans, I
don't feel like know what they are yet

568
00:35:13,679 --> 00:35:15,400
because of all the depth and because
of all the options they have, Like

569
00:35:16,079 --> 00:35:19,920
it's a great problem to have,
and it's gonna be awesome to watch them

570
00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:23,119
sorted out this year. But but
yeah, I mean, making the finals,

571
00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:28,360
that's that's tough. That's a little
too early for me. Bower three

572
00:35:28,599 --> 00:35:31,599
had another one. This one is
wow, another one, because why not?

573
00:35:31,719 --> 00:35:36,280
I'm not sure this will be safe
to put on the podcast? Worried

574
00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:39,480
about the Wolves should trade Karl Anthony
Towns as soon as possible before the league

575
00:35:39,519 --> 00:35:44,039
figures out. He's just a stretchy
Andre Drummond. He's not a winning player

576
00:35:44,039 --> 00:35:46,239
at the highest level despite the stats, because his lack of executing the mental

577
00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:50,800
parts of the game, like not
committing stupid fouls and not blowing defensive assignments

578
00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:55,119
are a detriment in closed contests.
Grant hot or not too hot or not?

579
00:35:55,199 --> 00:35:58,880
Excuse me, Okay, I gotta
start with a question for you though,

580
00:36:00,079 --> 00:36:04,920
other than calling Cat stretching Andre Drummond, which I did laugh out loud

581
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:09,039
at when I read it, that's
really funny. Any is any of the

582
00:36:09,119 --> 00:36:14,840
evidence for Cat needing to be traded
that's laid out in this question? Isn't

583
00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:17,400
a winning player at the highest levels, lack of executing the mental parts of

584
00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:22,400
the game, committing stupid fouls are
a detriment. Is any of that wrong?

585
00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:24,960
Like is any of that off base? Do you think? Do you

586
00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:30,360
think? I guess not? But
the winning player one just seems like when

587
00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:34,800
has he been put in a position
to be a winning player. There's the

588
00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:38,719
Jimmy Butler season that seems like it
was very you know, tenuous behind the

589
00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:43,360
scenes, and then last season they
were they weren't supposed like Anthy Edwards was

590
00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:46,440
in year two and it's just like
they you know, they have that really

591
00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:50,559
competitor series against the Grizzlies. They
were on the wrong side of a lot

592
00:36:50,599 --> 00:36:53,960
of those you know, like comebacks. So I get it, but like

593
00:36:55,360 --> 00:37:00,960
stretching Andre Drummond, And to me, it's more like there's probably a literity

594
00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:04,599
to the thinking of if this guy
is supposed to be as good as he

595
00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:07,760
is, why did you just give
up all these assets and are paying all

596
00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:13,280
this money to someone who plays what
is still karl It's best position, or

597
00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:16,559
should be karlin It Dowd's best position. That's where I'm going with it,

598
00:37:16,599 --> 00:37:21,440
which is he is the number one
overall pick. He is a transcendent offensive

599
00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:24,360
player. He is not someone that
you should have to say he's never been

600
00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:28,519
in position to do X, Y
or z, like he is the guy

601
00:37:28,719 --> 00:37:32,320
in theory if he's if he's the
guy like capital T, capital G,

602
00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:37,880
he creates the situation for everyone else
to succeed in, right, Like that's

603
00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:42,079
the number one pick pedigree, that's
the you know, he's got two max

604
00:37:42,119 --> 00:37:47,440
contracts essentially, now that's the that's
what he should be. So like this

605
00:37:47,519 --> 00:37:52,880
is this is still too hot only
because trading him as soon as possible,

606
00:37:52,679 --> 00:37:58,440
I feel like it is a wild
pivot from We're gonna try to give him

607
00:37:58,679 --> 00:38:02,719
the defensive presence and bear that we
think was missing like that was the whole

608
00:38:04,159 --> 00:38:07,599
point of this offseason, of all
these draft picks that the Wolves gave up,

609
00:38:07,639 --> 00:38:10,079
Like you gotta give it a little
more time. But I totally understand

610
00:38:10,079 --> 00:38:15,639
the thinking that Towns is just not
is not that guy, because like we

611
00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:21,760
we all saw, like the brain
farts in high leverage games, the inability

612
00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:24,320
to not foul it. I'll never
forget. I forget, I do forget.

613
00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:29,079
The broadcaster but said that he gets
battle blindness, which is just like

614
00:38:29,159 --> 00:38:31,320
there's like the fog of war and
he's got five fouls and he just can't

615
00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:36,639
stop himself from like making a bone
head like reach at the ball that has

616
00:38:36,719 --> 00:38:42,079
like a tiny chance of like adding
positive value. He's not getting that steal,

617
00:38:42,239 --> 00:38:45,320
you know. So that kind of
stuff I think is legit. But

618
00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:51,039
like this guy, since his rookie
year, in terms of like on off

619
00:38:51,599 --> 00:38:57,519
positive differential for offense right offensive rating, he's in the ninety second percentile at

620
00:38:58,159 --> 00:39:00,960
worst. He's been that level or
better in terms of like making his team's

621
00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:05,880
offense better per Hunter possessions, Like
you gotta try to, you gotta try

622
00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:07,440
a little longer to figure it out
with a guy that can do that,

623
00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:12,400
because there's I mean, it's like
what him, Steph Trey Young Yokich like

624
00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:15,920
those like in terms of offensive impact, It's it's a little too hot,

625
00:39:16,599 --> 00:39:21,320
But I do love stretching Andre Drummond. That's hilarious. I'm a big fan

626
00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:23,119
of that. There's just too much
substance to Kat's offense. Though, when

627
00:39:23,119 --> 00:39:25,559
he's on for me to go like
we're Andre Drummond, it felt like,

628
00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:30,519
I know what the joke, But
I think the way the scales would be,

629
00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:34,519
it's not too hot to say that
Towns can't be the best player on

630
00:39:34,519 --> 00:39:37,559
a title contender where this seems like
it's going and uh, we're free to

631
00:39:37,559 --> 00:39:40,880
be corrected if if we're wrong here, I won't give out the first name

632
00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:44,880
I actually know who asked this question
because we've DM a bunch of times.

633
00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:47,639
Can he be the second best player
on like a title team? I would

634
00:39:47,639 --> 00:39:51,599
say yes. And the first one
is not too much of a knock because

635
00:39:51,599 --> 00:39:53,800
there may be what two bigs right
now that could be the best player on

636
00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:57,199
a title team and it's Joel will
be to Nakole yo Kin and we're not

637
00:39:57,280 --> 00:40:00,719
even sure, like it just may
not be possible right now. The way

638
00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:05,360
the way the game's played like that's
that's the other thing. Uh wow,

639
00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:07,239
this one is oh, this one, this next one to you and it

640
00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:12,000
is brutal. Okay, yeah,
uh this is from the most cool KO

641
00:40:12,079 --> 00:40:16,679
you will DeAndre Hunter is officially a
bust. Oh you skipped over the more

642
00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:23,280
and send me everyone? Do you
not see? I'll go to it after

643
00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:30,280
this, But DeAndre Hunter is a
bust. I would say that's like I

644
00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:35,320
would say it's too hot. It's
like it's like he's shooting almost forty five

645
00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:38,480
percent from three on the season.
His defense has probably been like a little

646
00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:43,880
bit better if you were hoping that
he was going to be mcale Bridges with

647
00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:45,719
more of an off the dribble jumper
than Yeah, he's a bust. I

648
00:40:45,719 --> 00:40:50,239
guess looking at his draft position,
do you consider him a bust relative to

649
00:40:50,280 --> 00:40:52,960
that? I thought the extension was
interesting, even in the new cap climate.

650
00:40:53,599 --> 00:40:58,760
I'm not ready to go bust though. There's questions about his health too,

651
00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:01,440
and the the the kind of on
ball offense he flashed in year two

652
00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:05,679
before he got injured that was clearly
an aberration and so unprepared to go there.

653
00:41:06,039 --> 00:41:09,679
Bust feels really we're talking about someone
if he's a bust, he can't

654
00:41:09,679 --> 00:41:14,159
be a very useful player to a
really good team, and I would push

655
00:41:14,199 --> 00:41:15,679
back against the idea that he can't. Yeah, by the way, I

656
00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:19,239
just saw the one I skipped over. I'm excited to get to that next

657
00:41:19,599 --> 00:41:22,280
one Hunter real quick. This this
is too hot. But it kind of

658
00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:24,679
depends on what you want him to
be. And the bust implies like it

659
00:41:24,719 --> 00:41:29,480
was a draft mistake. Right,
So he was the fourth pick after that,

660
00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:31,480
I mean, in terms of guys
like that seemed like obvious picks.

661
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:36,079
I mean, Garland went right after, but they weren't. They had Trey

662
00:41:36,079 --> 00:41:37,840
Young. They're not gonna take Darius
Garland, so you know, then Cam

663
00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:40,719
Johnson, which everybody panned at the
time, was a few picks later,

664
00:41:40,760 --> 00:41:45,280
and then Tyler Heroes even later than
that, Like in terms of value for

665
00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:47,400
that pick, I mean, Jordan
Pools further down that draft board, but

666
00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:51,840
like they also weren't going to take
him. I don't know about that.

667
00:41:52,199 --> 00:41:53,840
The thing is, though, like
just as a comp like what do you

668
00:41:53,840 --> 00:41:57,639
want Hunter to be? You want
him to be at worst a three in

669
00:41:57,719 --> 00:42:01,840
D compliment to like a championship roster. And so the first person I think

670
00:42:01,880 --> 00:42:06,239
of as Danny Green, and like
Danny Green was already Danny Green in his

671
00:42:06,280 --> 00:42:08,360
age twenty five season, which is
to say, like one of the best

672
00:42:08,360 --> 00:42:14,519
defenders across two or three positions and
shooting forty something percent from three on what

673
00:42:14,679 --> 00:42:17,239
at the time was good volume.
It wouldn't be today just because everybody shoots

674
00:42:17,239 --> 00:42:21,599
threes like Hunter is not anywhere close
to that, and he's in his age

675
00:42:21,639 --> 00:42:25,599
twenty five season. So like when
you say a guy you picked fourth in

676
00:42:25,639 --> 00:42:29,159
the draft is not going to be
as good as Danny Green, that's not

677
00:42:29,199 --> 00:42:30,559
as big of a knock as it
sounds like, because Green has been a

678
00:42:30,559 --> 00:42:35,280
great player in his role, but
like not encouraging, I would say,

679
00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:38,400
especially for someone you just paid.
And but the other thing I'll say here,

680
00:42:38,480 --> 00:42:40,280
though, is I would it change
for you if you view it in

681
00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:44,920
the context of what the Hawks gave
up to get him, which was Nikky

682
00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:49,519
Loxander, Walker, Jackson, Hayes, Marco Silva. A twenty twenty one

683
00:42:49,519 --> 00:42:52,239
second round picked up became Herb Jones
and in twenty twenty two second round picked

684
00:42:52,280 --> 00:42:57,039
up became Vince Williams Junior. How
nasty are the Hawks of Herb Jones?

685
00:42:57,199 --> 00:43:01,559
Is in DeAndre Hunter's spot on the
roster. Oh man, all right,

686
00:43:01,599 --> 00:43:06,159
fair enough if you go through that, did they lose that trade? Yeah,

687
00:43:06,199 --> 00:43:07,719
it's like Jackson, I don't know
Jackson. He's is fine because Alexander

688
00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:10,960
Walker ended up being he broke my
heart. Yeah, so they might have

689
00:43:12,079 --> 00:43:14,800
still won it. I'm just not
ready to go bust. I'm glad that

690
00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:16,719
you're taking responsibility. Gonna do this
next one. Now, I thought you

691
00:43:16,760 --> 00:43:21,719
were trying to sort of just weasel
your right. It snuck passed me on

692
00:43:21,719 --> 00:43:24,920
one on one line. I also
terrified to answer it. Do you want

693
00:43:24,920 --> 00:43:27,360
to read it? You want?
Do you want to throw it? So

694
00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:30,440
I have to answer it first.
Uh yeah, I'll throw it. So

695
00:43:30,519 --> 00:43:34,599
bemos Quail also said, is Kawhi
Leonard or he said, Kawhi Leonard is

696
00:43:34,599 --> 00:43:37,519
is finished? Yeah, Kawai is
done. Just as I'm looking at it

697
00:43:37,639 --> 00:43:40,400
right here, I'm gonna cop out
and say, well, what do you

698
00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:45,280
mean done? Like as move on? You didn't clarify, we don't get

699
00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:52,639
still alive, like uh oh okay, here's what I'm gonna say, Uh,

700
00:43:52,119 --> 00:43:57,559
it's not too hot and I'm going
to assume that what what what is

701
00:43:57,599 --> 00:44:02,920
meant here is he is done as
like the guy that you can build a

702
00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:07,280
championship team around, like, which
I think most people agreed he was,

703
00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:09,840
like and he sort of did that
with the Raptors, like that was an

704
00:44:09,880 --> 00:44:14,679
incredible run. Like nobody would have
fought you saying he's one of the three

705
00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:20,400
or four best players in the league, but like he's you just you can't

706
00:44:20,440 --> 00:44:23,920
be that guy if you just aren't
going to play. And so I think

707
00:44:24,039 --> 00:44:29,000
it's been proven for several years now
that he's not someone that's gonna play a

708
00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:30,800
lot. And now he's missed four
straight, I think, and he flew

709
00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:35,440
back to la with the Clippers on
a road trip to you know, get

710
00:44:35,480 --> 00:44:39,360
treatment on the on the knee.
It doesn't feel like this is the type

711
00:44:39,400 --> 00:44:45,760
of trajectory that like reverses course injury
wise. So I guess I'm open to

712
00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:51,920
the idea of Kauai being really good
for stretches. I just have a hard

713
00:44:51,920 --> 00:44:57,880
time imagining that he's going to hold
up, you know, long enough or

714
00:44:58,239 --> 00:45:02,280
just give enough volume to be like
you're no questions asked, you know,

715
00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:07,239
superstar that everyone can orbit around on
a really really really good team. I

716
00:45:07,239 --> 00:45:09,960
would agree with your interpretation of it. I would just say it's too hot

717
00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:14,119
to say that he's done, because
he's still going to be. I think

718
00:45:14,199 --> 00:45:16,760
even if he's not your best player
on a title contender, he's still going

719
00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:20,880
to be when he's available, no
worse than your thing. If and even

720
00:45:20,960 --> 00:45:22,800
in the context of do you still
think he'll be better than Paul George moving

721
00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:27,159
forward, I would probably still guess
Yes, the availability is certainly a concerned

722
00:45:27,199 --> 00:45:30,440
I interpret him being done as well. We've just he has this degeneraive kneed

723
00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:34,639
condition and he's not going to be
able to recover from you know this partially

724
00:45:34,639 --> 00:45:37,079
you know, the partially torn right
ACL healing. Now they said that there's

725
00:45:37,079 --> 00:45:39,119
stiffness in that knee. He's dealt
with a ton of lower body injuries.

726
00:45:39,159 --> 00:45:44,239
At this point. It's concerning.
And but I don't I mean, I'm

727
00:45:44,239 --> 00:45:46,679
just not going to default to he's
done like that enters like Brandon Watt territory.

728
00:45:46,760 --> 00:45:50,519
This is going to ruin his career. I can't. I guess I

729
00:45:50,559 --> 00:45:55,039
refuse to get there out of stubbornness. I do understand why you might go

730
00:45:55,440 --> 00:45:58,840
to that at this point, because
it's like, oh, he had the

731
00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:00,760
partially torn acls is all last year
and now he's back, hasn't played in

732
00:46:00,800 --> 00:46:04,719
most of their games. He's slated
to miss at least the next five well

733
00:46:04,760 --> 00:46:07,840
I guess five now, since he
missed their win against the uh the Rockets

734
00:46:07,880 --> 00:46:13,760
on Monday night. It's a huge
concern and ty Lewis tried to downplay it,

735
00:46:13,760 --> 00:46:15,039
but it's like, I don't know
if there's any downplaying miss as of

736
00:46:15,119 --> 00:46:20,360
right now. Yeah, I mean
it's it's been a long time, right

737
00:46:20,440 --> 00:46:25,199
that that ACL was in June of
twenty twenty one, so I mean this,

738
00:46:25,199 --> 00:46:29,559
this is more than a year and
we're having issues with the same Yeah,

739
00:46:29,599 --> 00:46:32,039
it's I'm not up. It's a
perfect hot take because it's like it's

740
00:46:32,039 --> 00:46:37,199
definitely not clear that that's true,
but there's like a decent chance that that's

741
00:46:37,239 --> 00:46:39,320
true. So it is a perfect, like too hot of a take.

742
00:46:40,239 --> 00:46:45,880
This next one's fun. Let's see
am I doing this? Okay, I'll

743
00:46:45,880 --> 00:46:51,800
do it. HP Bergie says,
uh, jaylen Noel is winning six man

744
00:46:51,880 --> 00:46:55,119
of the Year, and let's take
that first. Jinlen Noel's winning sixth man

745
00:46:55,159 --> 00:47:00,360
of the year. Your thoughts that's
not too hot? I mean is it?

746
00:47:00,360 --> 00:47:04,559
Wouldn't he be wouldn't he be your
pick? At this point, I'm

747
00:47:04,800 --> 00:47:06,880
like, there's I'm trying to think
of who's in there. I mean,

748
00:47:06,880 --> 00:47:09,119
there's there's Kevin Love, maybe someone
from the jazz jemn Well isn't playing Maybe

749
00:47:09,159 --> 00:47:14,199
enough minutes is that the time that
it changes? But the three ball has

750
00:47:14,199 --> 00:47:17,440
not been falling, but he's just
been like absolutely frenetic for them on offense.

751
00:47:19,400 --> 00:47:21,880
I don't I still don't think that's
too hot. I mean, if

752
00:47:21,920 --> 00:47:23,239
I call it too hot for Kevin
Love, maybe any say it's too hot

753
00:47:23,239 --> 00:47:28,599
for Jellen no Well because he is
he hitting like that minute. He's not

754
00:47:28,639 --> 00:47:30,639
even averaging twenty minutes per game right
now, so is he hitting that necessarily

755
00:47:30,639 --> 00:47:35,880
minutes threshold. The thing for me
is is he does fit the like trope

756
00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:38,599
of the six man winner, which
is he comes in, he gets buckets,

757
00:47:38,679 --> 00:47:43,400
he's a high volume player and short
stints and he's not very efficient,

758
00:47:43,960 --> 00:47:47,360
like that's that's like. And also
he's from He's a combo guard from Seattle,

759
00:47:47,400 --> 00:47:51,639
and we know that if all things
being equal, you should just assume

760
00:47:51,719 --> 00:47:53,599
that the combo guard from Seattle is
winning six Man of the Year because Jamal

761
00:47:53,639 --> 00:47:58,360
Crawford won like fourteen of them,
So he's got that going for him.

762
00:47:58,480 --> 00:48:01,840
I do think that like we're looking, I mean, I think Christian would

763
00:48:01,920 --> 00:48:06,039
probably assuming he keeps coming off the
bench, has to be a consideration.

764
00:48:06,400 --> 00:48:09,719
I think like Jordan Poole, assuming
he gets enough bench games. Is like,

765
00:48:09,760 --> 00:48:13,079
I mean, if if you're talking
about winning it right now, then

766
00:48:13,119 --> 00:48:15,559
I guess Noel has a pretty good
argument. But like is winning it?

767
00:48:15,639 --> 00:48:19,880
Like is going to win it?
That's that's too hot for me. I'm

768
00:48:19,920 --> 00:48:23,840
not seeing that one. The second
part of this, uh hot take or

769
00:48:23,880 --> 00:48:29,320
not hot take is Anthony Edwards will
get more All Star votes than Devin Booker.

770
00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:34,800
Ah, too hot for me.
Devin Booker, he was fifth on

771
00:48:34,880 --> 00:48:39,239
IAMVP ballot, by the way.
So far he's he's been really good.

772
00:48:39,280 --> 00:48:44,639
And I know that some of Anthony
Edwards his numbers might pop off the page.

773
00:48:44,679 --> 00:48:46,039
And I think his game in general
just leaps out at you a little

774
00:48:46,119 --> 00:48:50,079
is in your face. Devinn Booker
shooting sixty percent on mid range jumpers right

775
00:48:50,079 --> 00:48:52,800
now, just and he's like he's
averaging more potential assists. He's been double

776
00:48:52,800 --> 00:48:57,000
teamed on thirty one point nine percent
of his possessions. Everything his son's due

777
00:48:57,280 --> 00:49:00,280
is founded around his decision making out
of the double teams and when he's going

778
00:49:00,320 --> 00:49:04,400
downhill, but also on the idea
that teams are going to treat him like

779
00:49:04,480 --> 00:49:07,719
that, and so that's too hot
for me. I don't know that it's

780
00:49:07,760 --> 00:49:09,880
way too hot. And I have
just the one number, which is Booker

781
00:49:09,920 --> 00:49:13,880
had three times as many votes as
Edwards did last year, and like,

782
00:49:13,920 --> 00:49:17,079
if anything, the narrative of this
season is more pro Booker than Edwards because

783
00:49:17,079 --> 00:49:21,320
of like, like you said,
I think Booker is a legit MVP candidate

784
00:49:21,440 --> 00:49:23,559
and and I don't think Edwards is
being talked about it all that way so

785
00:49:23,679 --> 00:49:30,440
far. So like, I don't
know how you reconcile until cut Popeyes out

786
00:49:30,440 --> 00:49:35,800
of his diet, im out on
this idea. You know what, we

787
00:49:35,840 --> 00:49:38,440
didn't even we didn't even throw that
into the cat discussion. Maybe we should

788
00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:42,840
have. Yeah, No, that
those are both those are both too hot

789
00:49:42,880 --> 00:49:47,599
for me. You got you have
another non glamor market question, Glad says

790
00:49:47,679 --> 00:49:52,599
Kelton Johnson is going to be an
All Star grant he was too hot or

791
00:49:52,639 --> 00:49:55,159
not? Okay? I wanted this
to be too hot, And I went

792
00:49:55,199 --> 00:50:00,159
through and looked at like, what
are the who do we think you know

793
00:50:00,159 --> 00:50:04,280
are your likely All Star Western Conference
front court guys that are going ahead of

794
00:50:04,360 --> 00:50:07,719
him, and none of them are
are like ironclad, right you know lebron

795
00:50:07,840 --> 00:50:12,800
A d Yokich, Zion like just
going down the front court guys like other

796
00:50:12,840 --> 00:50:15,760
than Yokich, you know, any
one of those guys could just be hurt

797
00:50:15,920 --> 00:50:22,519
or whatever like so those and then
you're like Wiggins PG and Kauai Towns Gobert

798
00:50:22,239 --> 00:50:25,719
like Ingram Draymond, like what are
we? What are we talking? So

799
00:50:27,079 --> 00:50:30,880
that is not too hot because I
think he's not getting voted in obviously,

800
00:50:31,320 --> 00:50:36,960
But like twenty four five and four
true shooting over sixty percent his usage.

801
00:50:37,000 --> 00:50:39,760
Talking about Kelton Johnson again here his
usage is way up. Like he was

802
00:50:39,800 --> 00:50:44,199
at twenty one percent last year,
it's twenty seven. So now he's volume

803
00:50:44,360 --> 00:50:49,519
efficiency, getting to the line more
often, passing better. His assist rate

804
00:50:49,639 --> 00:50:52,760
is way up. Draws tons of
fact, like all everything is like working

805
00:50:52,840 --> 00:51:00,400
for him. The hilarious statu is
the Spurs offensive rating is no, it's

806
00:51:00,400 --> 00:51:04,079
just their net rating is forty eight
point seven points four hundred better with him

807
00:51:04,119 --> 00:51:07,679
on than off. I might say
a little bit about the reserves in San

808
00:51:07,719 --> 00:51:15,840
Antonio. Jesus Christ, that's a
stupid number. Wait, I'm loving it.

809
00:51:15,920 --> 00:51:20,079
Like I'm saying that is not too
hot, because he's been great and

810
00:51:20,199 --> 00:51:23,159
you know he's at an age I
think he's twenty two, where like,

811
00:51:23,400 --> 00:51:25,840
yeah, it's possible that he's just
this good now, Like this is the

812
00:51:25,880 --> 00:51:29,840
leap he took. It. It's
it's it's very it's it's on the table.

813
00:51:30,280 --> 00:51:34,039
I this is my official apology for
putting him, putting RJ. Barrett

814
00:51:34,039 --> 00:51:37,400
over him in the top twenty five
players under twenty five rankings. It was

815
00:51:37,400 --> 00:51:42,400
inexcusable. Uh, he deserved to
be higher. I am. I'm blown

816
00:51:42,440 --> 00:51:44,599
away. This is not too hot. I'm blown away by the progress he's

817
00:51:44,599 --> 00:51:45,920
made this season. Also, not
to make this about me, but I

818
00:51:46,039 --> 00:51:51,440
dislocated my shoulder a few years ago
and I'm still just not as strong on

819
00:51:51,519 --> 00:51:53,679
certain like when I'm going to do
like chess press or shoulder presses, Like

820
00:51:53,719 --> 00:51:58,519
the progress that I would like to
make is like I can't. And this

821
00:51:58,599 --> 00:52:02,159
dude just dislocated his shoulders back and
playing at an all star level and there

822
00:52:02,360 --> 00:52:07,000
is there is Okay, there's a
more ill phrase this way, there's more

823
00:52:07,000 --> 00:52:10,400
directionality to his game. It's still
not trusting him to hit off the dribble

824
00:52:10,480 --> 00:52:15,679
jumpers. I'm trusting him to do
more than operate within a straight line when

825
00:52:15,679 --> 00:52:16,880
he has the ball in his hands
and the passes that he can make out

826
00:52:16,880 --> 00:52:20,679
of there, I don't know what's
going to happen where if you really slow

827
00:52:20,719 --> 00:52:22,840
things down, can he beat the
engine of like a half court offense.

828
00:52:23,039 --> 00:52:27,840
But in terms of a from scratch
scorer and playmaker who can make quicker decisions

829
00:52:28,599 --> 00:52:31,519
while you know, going east west, north south, I'm there with him,

830
00:52:31,599 --> 00:52:35,800
and so I don't think it's too
hot. The West is as always,

831
00:52:35,800 --> 00:52:38,039
it's deep with talent, and so
you know, Calden Johnson versus Anthy

832
00:52:38,159 --> 00:52:42,039
Edwards when we're talking about All Stars, they play different positions. But it's

833
00:52:42,079 --> 00:52:45,079
like looking at votes, how popular
is Calvin Johnson going to be? I

834
00:52:45,119 --> 00:52:47,199
think the Spurs have to be sort
of on the national radar like they are.

835
00:52:47,280 --> 00:52:50,119
You know, we call them a
non glabor market right now, but

836
00:52:50,159 --> 00:52:53,440
they're like the third best TVMBA and
we're going by record. So I'm gonna

837
00:52:53,480 --> 00:52:58,000
say, not too hot. Would
you predict though? Is it too hot

838
00:52:58,039 --> 00:52:59,920
to p I mean, this is
what we're predicting. I'm gonna say it's

839
00:52:59,920 --> 00:53:01,639
not hot, But would you predict
he makes an All Star team out right,

840
00:53:02,320 --> 00:53:07,280
I wouldn't, but I think he's
I think he's going to be deserving,

841
00:53:07,320 --> 00:53:09,360
but I don't know that he I
wouldn't predict it just because like the

842
00:53:09,400 --> 00:53:14,480
Spurs will come back to Earth and
like he is playing. I think this

843
00:53:14,519 --> 00:53:16,599
will be his best season by far, but he's gonna come down from what

844
00:53:16,599 --> 00:53:20,280
he's doing right now, just because
there aren't a lot of guys that you

845
00:53:20,280 --> 00:53:22,519
know, Floort with sixty percent true
shooting and thirty percent usage, like that's

846
00:53:22,559 --> 00:53:28,119
a tiny that's like Kevin you know, Kevin Durant, like hardened prime Hart,

847
00:53:28,239 --> 00:53:31,280
Like that's way over anybody's head.
But he's great. I do it

848
00:53:31,320 --> 00:53:35,599
is also, I would say,
not a hot take that you're that like

849
00:53:35,880 --> 00:53:38,719
in terms of being an athletic specimen, you and Kelvin Johnson are not the

850
00:53:38,760 --> 00:53:44,079
same. I do think that that
is a reasonable take that you're making.

851
00:53:44,480 --> 00:53:47,800
Put the respect to shoulder recovery and
just general human fitness. I think Kelton

852
00:53:47,880 --> 00:53:54,719
Johnson probably has you fen turn dp
Hornet should start the tank and sell off

853
00:53:54,760 --> 00:53:58,159
as soon as possible. They have
one of the most exciting young players in

854
00:53:58,199 --> 00:54:01,239
the league and are still regularly for
too hot or not grant, this is

855
00:54:01,280 --> 00:54:05,119
a million miles from too hot.
This is act. This is the correct

856
00:54:05,239 --> 00:54:09,960
suggestion. I think I said it
before the season and have said it since.

857
00:54:12,360 --> 00:54:15,599
This is this is the This team
has to tank, like especially with

858
00:54:15,639 --> 00:54:19,559
some of the purported tankers like not
tanking so far. If there's such a

859
00:54:19,599 --> 00:54:22,239
window of opportunity, I think if
you could, because they don't have other

860
00:54:22,239 --> 00:54:25,440
than LaMelo, there's just like not
really anything here in terms of like building

861
00:54:25,440 --> 00:54:32,880
blocks. So if you're if you're
if you're gonna get richards, if if

862
00:54:32,880 --> 00:54:37,280
you have a chance to get one
of those and make it so that LaMelo

863
00:54:37,400 --> 00:54:40,199
doesn't sign the max and then as
soon as possible has to be traded,

864
00:54:40,360 --> 00:54:44,360
like you gotta do it. I
think I think you can move Heyward while

865
00:54:44,360 --> 00:54:49,199
he's healthy, potentially for possibly positive
value. Rosier, I think you should

866
00:54:49,199 --> 00:54:52,280
be able to get positive value.
So I think you clear the decks like

867
00:54:52,360 --> 00:54:53,719
this is. This is my opinion, Like this is not too hot of

868
00:54:53,760 --> 00:54:58,440
a take. It's what I would
say they absolutely have to do. I

869
00:54:58,480 --> 00:55:00,920
don't think it's too hot of a
take. I've I do think that maybe

870
00:55:00,920 --> 00:55:06,639
we overstated the direness of their situation. The fact that Steve Clifford has been

871
00:55:06,639 --> 00:55:09,880
able to coach the defense out of
this group is just really impressive. And

872
00:55:09,920 --> 00:55:13,360
I think we need to give a
ton of credit for how Kelly Bray Junior

873
00:55:13,480 --> 00:55:15,440
is playing at points, for how
Jayleen McDaniels has played this season. Nick

874
00:55:15,519 --> 00:55:17,760
Richards, of course, which we
actually have something on him. And just

875
00:55:17,840 --> 00:55:23,480
a second, so I this,
I share this opinion, and the fact

876
00:55:23,519 --> 00:55:27,960
that's by the way that this has
all happened without LaMelo, That's what I

877
00:55:28,039 --> 00:55:30,679
struggled to. I'm like, well, Famelo comes back, they might be

878
00:55:30,719 --> 00:55:34,199
more of like a playing team than
I thought, and that's just not where

879
00:55:34,199 --> 00:55:37,480
you want to be with Almelo.
So ultimately that's it's not too hot.

880
00:55:37,760 --> 00:55:40,280
I am in agreement, but they've
impressed me to start the season. I

881
00:55:40,320 --> 00:55:44,800
think you're just bitter because they beat
the Warriors personally, but well, I

882
00:55:44,800 --> 00:55:47,280
gotta I'm gonna be bitter at a
lot of teams at this rate. Yeah,

883
00:55:47,360 --> 00:55:51,039
No, I think I think we're
on say page another Hornet's question from

884
00:55:51,079 --> 00:55:53,719
Jake g I'll try to condense it
a little bit. The gist as the

885
00:55:53,719 --> 00:55:57,960
Hornets should pull the trigger and start
Nick Richards once Melo is back. I

886
00:55:58,000 --> 00:56:00,760
don't know why you need to wait
till Melo it's back for that Bills,

887
00:56:05,679 --> 00:56:07,320
I thought he'd be out of the
NBA after his first contract, but the

888
00:56:07,320 --> 00:56:10,719
work and commitment he's put in,
you know, and had to have put

889
00:56:10,760 --> 00:56:15,199
in this offseason has done wonders am
all for him being at worst a low

890
00:56:15,280 --> 00:56:17,920
end starter slash solid rotation piece,
deserves every apology I can give him.

891
00:56:19,079 --> 00:56:22,360
Listen, we'll give the apologies.
We don't. That's that's our job.

892
00:56:22,679 --> 00:56:27,480
Goes on to say Plumbly's main skills
his ball movement in passing. That's also

893
00:56:27,599 --> 00:56:32,239
correct. That won't be as much
of a necessity with LaMelo back. So

894
00:56:35,079 --> 00:56:37,079
is this too hot of a take
that Richards should be the starter in Charlotte.

895
00:56:37,159 --> 00:56:42,760
Essentially, Uh, I wouldn't even
wait till LaMelo is back. I

896
00:56:42,880 --> 00:56:45,519
understand like the theory of Mason Plumbly
and maybe want to see Nick Richards go

897
00:56:45,599 --> 00:56:49,639
up against more second unit players.
But no, I mean like you were

898
00:56:49,679 --> 00:56:51,920
in the mode of, oh,
like let this team tank, but I

899
00:56:51,920 --> 00:56:54,679
think even what would be better for
them in terms of their development. But

900
00:56:54,760 --> 00:57:00,400
also maybe this season is once LaMelo's
back, having Nick Richards Richards out there

901
00:57:00,400 --> 00:57:05,400
giving yourself more versatility on the defensive
ended a different type of threat on offense.

902
00:57:06,079 --> 00:57:07,960
I think it could benefit them Devil
and then if you have Mason Plumley

903
00:57:08,079 --> 00:57:13,039
is your primary backup because you're still
not gonna play you know, Kai Jones

904
00:57:13,159 --> 00:57:15,840
or JT. Thor who's you know. Jake g has mentioned this a bunch

905
00:57:16,639 --> 00:57:20,239
in the DMS and on Twitter.
To me, j T. Torch just

906
00:57:20,320 --> 00:57:22,639
might be he's a shot of adrenaline
when you watch him, and so they

907
00:57:22,679 --> 00:57:25,400
might have some stuff to plumb up
front. And I think this comes back

908
00:57:25,440 --> 00:57:30,800
to our stands on the tanking or
like being more graduate with the rebuild.

909
00:57:30,159 --> 00:57:34,079
I would really lean into just like
full on experiment. I think Nick Richards

910
00:57:34,119 --> 00:57:36,159
is good enough to justify this,
but I'm saying you can go off the

911
00:57:36,199 --> 00:57:38,800
rails even further because I think that's
the mode this franchise needs to be in.

912
00:57:39,119 --> 00:57:40,960
Yeah, I agree, it's not
too hot. I mean, you

913
00:57:42,039 --> 00:57:45,280
out played James Wiseman, so he's
obviously the Hall of Famer Richards. I

914
00:57:45,280 --> 00:57:46,920
mean, like he's the number two
pick. He just was. I'm gonna

915
00:57:47,480 --> 00:57:50,440
we have a couple of quick fire
ones, but I'm gonna throw mine at

916
00:57:50,480 --> 00:57:53,400
you. Now some you mentioned James
Wiseman hot Grant too hot or not the

917
00:57:53,400 --> 00:57:58,000
Warriors need to give up on one
or both of Jonathan Cominga or James Wiseman

918
00:57:58,119 --> 00:58:01,280
because there's a good chance that neither
of them are very good and they clearly

919
00:58:01,320 --> 00:58:07,400
can't straddle two timelines in this Western
Conference. So it's too hot and for

920
00:58:07,440 --> 00:58:12,599
several reasons. And I'm mostly I'm
sticking to my guns for I've saw along.

921
00:58:12,679 --> 00:58:16,199
I was just of the opinion they
shouldn't trade those guys that was mostly

922
00:58:16,280 --> 00:58:22,320
last year. And I will concede
though that there's like a really good chance

923
00:58:22,360 --> 00:58:24,559
that neither of those guys are good. I mean, as early as it

924
00:58:24,639 --> 00:58:29,840
is for both, and as athletic
and like obviously gifted as both are,

925
00:58:30,199 --> 00:58:35,159
there's just real problems. Like you
know, Wiseman still just has no idea

926
00:58:35,199 --> 00:58:40,119
what to do on defense. He
doesn't understand how to play offense the way

927
00:58:40,159 --> 00:58:43,960
the Warriors want to, so when
he comes in, it's picking rolls and

928
00:58:44,000 --> 00:58:49,280
it just changes everything. Kaminga is
like had some dnps deservedly. I think

929
00:58:50,239 --> 00:58:53,480
he doesn't quite know where he fits
in. Having said all that, of

930
00:58:53,639 --> 00:58:59,719
high you know, possession five man
units early this year, the Warrior starters

931
00:59:00,199 --> 00:59:04,920
veteran laden you know, Steph Clay
Wiggins, Draymond Looney. It's the best

932
00:59:05,159 --> 00:59:08,639
net rating of any you know,
very frequently used five man unit in the

933
00:59:08,679 --> 00:59:14,599
league. So like, if you
think you can find two or three other

934
00:59:14,639 --> 00:59:16,960
guys veterans, maybe that can give
you good playoff minutes. Or if you

935
00:59:17,000 --> 00:59:21,800
think there's a decent chance that any
of these young guys can contribute you know,

936
00:59:22,159 --> 00:59:25,119
rotation stuff in the playoffs, then
I think the move is still you

937
00:59:25,199 --> 00:59:30,039
just wait and you just hope that
you know, Wiseman figures it out or

938
00:59:30,079 --> 00:59:34,199
Cominga figures it out. Because like
the stakes for this year, I don't

939
00:59:34,239 --> 00:59:38,679
think are dire enough if those guys
do continue to be disappointing, that you

940
00:59:38,719 --> 00:59:43,800
need to do something drastic. So
but I have to concede, like it's

941
00:59:43,840 --> 00:59:47,079
not too hot to say that that
both of those guys have been disappointments and

942
00:59:47,440 --> 00:59:52,079
the like it's becoming an increasingly significant, like point of conversation out here and

943
00:59:52,440 --> 00:59:57,440
something that the Warriors like, Okay, you know this, this is it's

944
00:59:57,519 --> 01:00:00,679
it's getting a little we need to
see something and and I don't think we've

945
01:00:00,719 --> 01:00:04,320
seen enough for me either of those
guys. I don't think it's too hot.

946
01:00:04,360 --> 01:00:06,920
I'm James Wiseman. I don't see
this team ever wanting to play how

947
01:00:06,920 --> 01:00:10,119
he's best used unless they're Look,
it does seem like Steve Kurry single handedly

948
01:00:10,159 --> 01:00:15,119
trying to prop up Steph Curry's net
rating swing by just mirroring the James Wiseman

949
01:00:15,159 --> 01:00:17,639
minutes against when Steph Curry rests,
so that that could look super impressive.

950
01:00:17,880 --> 01:00:21,760
I'm not necessarily out on Wiseman.
I just don't know that I if they

951
01:00:21,840 --> 01:00:24,079
actually still want to be one of
the primary threats in the West moving forward

952
01:00:24,159 --> 01:00:28,559
with this core, I don't know. Wiseman specifically is the one that I

953
01:00:28,599 --> 01:00:30,559
see a tough time of, just
like, well, how is this just

954
01:00:30,599 --> 01:00:35,039
going to go? The path to
playing time is not clear with Raymond Green

955
01:00:35,119 --> 01:00:37,119
or Kavan Ludy right there, And
just also like, is he ever gonna

956
01:00:37,119 --> 01:00:40,360
be good enough defensively for you to
want to play him? And if you

957
01:00:40,360 --> 01:00:44,639
want to play Steph Curry and Jordan
Pool and even Clay Thompson a bunch.

958
01:00:44,719 --> 01:00:46,239
Not to be unfair to Klay Thompson, but like you don't want Klay Thompson

959
01:00:46,280 --> 01:00:52,039
necessarily on point cards as often anymore. I just the Wiseman and the Warriors

960
01:00:52,079 --> 01:00:53,760
fit. I guess is. I
don't want to say I'm out on it

961
01:00:53,800 --> 01:00:57,239
because that seems cruel. There's been
such a small sample size. I just

962
01:00:57,320 --> 01:00:59,639
I don't see it. No,
the signs aren't good. I do think

963
01:01:00,159 --> 01:01:02,199
in pool Pool is the like is
the proof of concept, right, because

964
01:01:02,320 --> 01:01:07,320
I mean, he looked worse at
his low than either Kamingo or Wiseman have

965
01:01:07,440 --> 01:01:09,400
looked like. He looked like he
was not an NBA player, and then

966
01:01:09,599 --> 01:01:13,079
lo and behold. Now he's got
one hundred and forty million dollars and he's

967
01:01:13,119 --> 01:01:15,760
one of the best reserve guards in
the league. He's gonna start for a

968
01:01:15,760 --> 01:01:20,159
long time eventually. So like you
can't you can. I think it's you

969
01:01:20,159 --> 01:01:24,079
can't pull the plug yet, especially
with the starters and the vets still being

970
01:01:24,159 --> 01:01:30,239
so effective. But yeah, big
concern for sure. Oh yeah you're up.

971
01:01:30,239 --> 01:01:34,199
Sorry, my monna, we gotta
Oh this is a good one.

972
01:01:34,719 --> 01:01:38,079
Jt Alexander says, Laurie marking In
isn't going to be an All Star.

973
01:01:38,960 --> 01:01:42,400
Sorry, isn't going to be an
All Star this year? L ol.

974
01:01:42,519 --> 01:01:44,920
So I guess maybe we should flip
that and say like he is going to

975
01:01:44,960 --> 01:01:46,159
be an All Star. Well,
I mean, I don't think it's too

976
01:01:46,199 --> 01:01:49,280
hot to say he's not going to
be an All Star. That's that's a

977
01:01:49,360 --> 01:01:52,519
reasonable take. That's not too hot. I will say him the Jazz playing

978
01:01:52,559 --> 01:01:55,639
five outs to often benefits him pretty
well. And I don't want to I've

979
01:01:55,679 --> 01:01:59,639
just mentioned this on the podcasting like
three or four times. He wants you

980
01:01:59,679 --> 01:02:01,519
to know that he's like doing things
like with the some of the flair he

981
01:02:01,559 --> 01:02:05,719
tries to throw these passes. He's
just like, oh, people need to

982
01:02:05,760 --> 01:02:09,000
know what I'm doing. But this
has been a way more complete offensive player

983
01:02:09,000 --> 01:02:12,480
than I think we've ever seen before. And what the Jazz are doing with

984
01:02:12,480 --> 01:02:15,480
some of their lineup structures, I
think it's really smart and it's contributed to

985
01:02:15,639 --> 01:02:19,480
their success. I think what was
it the game Cameraber, which game I

986
01:02:19,480 --> 01:02:21,639
was watching that they played the other
night, where it's like they very rarely

987
01:02:21,719 --> 01:02:24,719
had like a non shooting big on
the court and it's just like it works.

988
01:02:24,920 --> 01:02:30,000
So I don't think it's I mean
All Star. I think it's really

989
01:02:30,199 --> 01:02:31,760
like that's say he's not going to
be an All Star. That is the

990
01:02:32,039 --> 01:02:36,320
correct take to have it would be
too hot to say that he's going to

991
01:02:36,360 --> 01:02:38,880
be an All Star. But with
what he's doing now, Grant, should

992
01:02:38,880 --> 01:02:42,920
he like sixty three percent of his
two twenty two points a game, almost

993
01:02:42,920 --> 01:02:45,760
three assists rebounding the ball fairly well? Like should he be in that early

994
01:02:45,800 --> 01:02:50,480
season discussion, I mean, he's
played great. I think that's more reasonable.

995
01:02:50,519 --> 01:02:52,920
I do think you mentioned the two
point shooting, Like a lot of

996
01:02:52,960 --> 01:02:58,119
his gains in efficiency are just volume, but also he's making a ton of

997
01:02:58,159 --> 01:03:01,480
like short floater range shot and mid
range twos. He's you know, it's

998
01:03:01,480 --> 01:03:05,440
not quite Chris Paul level, but
it's like within a percentage point or two

999
01:03:05,480 --> 01:03:08,159
in terms of his mid range accuracy. Like that's that's coming down. But

1000
01:03:08,239 --> 01:03:10,559
yeah, he's proven, like he
proved last year, he can be a

1001
01:03:10,639 --> 01:03:14,320
quality starter on a good team.
Like that's the floor now, I think

1002
01:03:14,360 --> 01:03:17,079
for marking and provided you have like
a couple of the right types of things

1003
01:03:17,079 --> 01:03:22,840
around him. But yeah, and
not an All Star, but like definitely

1004
01:03:22,440 --> 01:03:28,559
like a good starter I think at
worst going forward now for him, Our

1005
01:03:28,679 --> 01:03:34,159
next one comes from Matt Chan,
Trey Young and de Jontay Murray are the

1006
01:03:34,199 --> 01:03:37,000
best backcourt in the league. Grant
Hughes too hot or not. It's too

1007
01:03:37,000 --> 01:03:42,519
hot, but I will admit that
as I go through. I mean,

1008
01:03:42,920 --> 01:03:45,800
there's at least a conversation with like
almost any of the other backcourts you'd put

1009
01:03:45,880 --> 01:03:50,280
up, like you know, just
just spitballing, you know, Chris Paul,

1010
01:03:50,320 --> 01:03:53,159
Devin Booker. Most of that's Booker, but like that's still a backcourt

1011
01:03:53,199 --> 01:03:57,360
that led to sixty four wins last
year and made the finals the year before.

1012
01:03:58,599 --> 01:04:01,400
And Booker as I think of more
legit MVP candidate then obviously Murray,

1013
01:04:01,480 --> 01:04:05,800
but also young Marant Baine. I
think I probably like those two better.

1014
01:04:08,519 --> 01:04:12,519
But I mean it's a conversation,
you know, steph and like any sentient

1015
01:04:12,679 --> 01:04:15,599
being that you could put out,
there is a pretty good, pretty good

1016
01:04:15,639 --> 01:04:19,199
backcourt MAXI Harden, like you know, if you want to get crazy,

1017
01:04:19,239 --> 01:04:23,679
Garland and Mitchell. Even though we've
seen like twenty five seconds of that,

1018
01:04:24,760 --> 01:04:28,320
it's a little too hot, but
like you know, it's worked pretty well.

1019
01:04:28,360 --> 01:04:30,280
I think I gotta believe that most
people in Atlanta are pretty happy with

1020
01:04:30,440 --> 01:04:34,239
the earlier returns. Right, and
Trey has definitely gone some through adjustment periods

1021
01:04:34,239 --> 01:04:38,000
on offense with his efficiency in playing
off de Jontay Murray, but they're making

1022
01:04:38,039 --> 01:04:40,719
it work. We've seen him not
just come off more screens, but even

1023
01:04:40,719 --> 01:04:44,360
set more screens. The Hawks are
outscoring opponents by six point two points with

1024
01:04:45,039 --> 01:04:47,559
by six point two points per a
hundred possessions when they share the floor about

1025
01:04:47,559 --> 01:04:51,719
an average defense. The offensive rating
is is just absolutely absurd. What has

1026
01:04:51,760 --> 01:04:57,760
been interesting and what I was looking
up in preparation of this podcast. They

1027
01:04:57,800 --> 01:05:01,360
are getting absolutely trucked when either one
of these guys plays without the other.

1028
01:05:02,519 --> 01:05:06,360
They are when Trey plays without Dejeantay
Murray, they are minus eighteen point one

1029
01:05:06,400 --> 01:05:11,719
points per one hunter possessions. When
Murray plays without Trey, they are Oh

1030
01:05:11,760 --> 01:05:14,280
no, they're actually winning those minutes. Excuse me, I read it wrong.

1031
01:05:14,400 --> 01:05:16,679
So they're winning the minutes Murray plays
without Trey and they're losing the minutes

1032
01:05:16,760 --> 01:05:23,639
Trey plays without Dejanta Murray, and
the minutes in question are like they're They're

1033
01:05:23,679 --> 01:05:26,519
exactly what you expect them to be. It's like, oh, the defense

1034
01:05:26,519 --> 01:05:30,719
when Trade plays without Murray is atrocious, and I sort of wonder if they've

1035
01:05:30,760 --> 01:05:33,599
asked him to do much too much
heavy lifting. And some of those lineups

1036
01:05:33,639 --> 01:05:39,360
where it's like Okay, your most
used like Trey without Dejanta Murray combination is

1037
01:05:39,360 --> 01:05:43,039
going to include all three, not
just one, but all three of Aaron

1038
01:05:43,119 --> 01:05:48,880
Holiday, Jalen Johnson and excuse me
justin Holiday, so the Holiday Brothers and

1039
01:05:48,880 --> 01:05:51,679
then Joe Johnson. Like that's a
lot of heavy lifting for trade to have

1040
01:05:51,800 --> 01:05:55,719
to do. And when you look
at the talent that Murray's been around and

1041
01:05:55,760 --> 01:05:58,360
some of his line ups, they're
trying to inoculate him a little bit more.

1042
01:05:58,400 --> 01:06:00,840
He's played a bunch with the all
they bother brothers and even Jalen Johnson,

1043
01:06:00,880 --> 01:06:02,719
but like, oh yeah, come
greu. And it does seem like

1044
01:06:02,760 --> 01:06:08,239
those minutes from what I've watched of
a lot of their most used lineups are

1045
01:06:08,239 --> 01:06:10,679
coming against competition where my favorite them
a little bit. But I did just

1046
01:06:10,719 --> 01:06:14,480
find that interesting that you've won the
one guard minutes with Murray or the one

1047
01:06:14,519 --> 01:06:16,159
Star minutes with Murray Let's or however
you want to phrase it, and lost

1048
01:06:16,159 --> 01:06:19,360
the ones that Trey is playing.
I mean, it seems pretty obvious that

1049
01:06:19,400 --> 01:06:23,679
the correct take is they just need
to trade Trey him. Like the I

1050
01:06:23,679 --> 01:06:27,199
mean, the numbers, the numbers
through through ten days of the season are

1051
01:06:27,400 --> 01:06:31,400
just not lying. Let's see.
Okay, here we go. H this

1052
01:06:31,480 --> 01:06:34,800
is from Drizzy Watts. I'm going
to lump these two together and hydrocynth.

1053
01:06:35,639 --> 01:06:41,199
It's very tires Maxie focused. Set
of questions tyres Maxie will lead the Sixers

1054
01:06:41,199 --> 01:06:44,599
in scoring and make his first All
Star team, followed by Maxie will win

1055
01:06:44,760 --> 01:06:48,360
m IP Take those in any order
you want, from from not hot to

1056
01:06:48,360 --> 01:06:53,519
too hot. You can even organize
him. Look, so the scoring lead

1057
01:06:53,559 --> 01:06:56,599
the Sixers in scoring is too hot? He has to I know we're early

1058
01:06:56,639 --> 01:06:59,920
on, like Joel will Read is
at twenty seven plus and Maxie's around twenty

1059
01:07:00,079 --> 01:07:02,440
replus. And look how many minutes
max max is averaging? Thirty seven minutes

1060
01:07:02,440 --> 01:07:04,960
are right, So it's like he's
not playing more. He's not going to

1061
01:07:05,039 --> 01:07:09,840
get volume out of that. The
All Star conversation not even a little bit

1062
01:07:09,840 --> 01:07:12,400
too hot. I would probably pick
him to make the Eastern Conference All Star

1063
01:07:12,440 --> 01:07:15,719
team right now in terms of most
improved player. That is interesting because the

1064
01:07:15,800 --> 01:07:19,719
numbers are not like super drastically different
from last year, and I think it

1065
01:07:19,719 --> 01:07:23,840
could be hard to spot how he's
elevated his game if Doc would give him

1066
01:07:23,840 --> 01:07:28,480
more mother fucking control over the offense
though during the you know, either one

1067
01:07:28,559 --> 01:07:31,599
star minutes or nost like give go
Tyres Maxie no star minutes more often,

1068
01:07:31,880 --> 01:07:34,519
that would be his ticket to getting
there. I do think he's going to

1069
01:07:34,599 --> 01:07:39,920
be buried beneath the James Harden,
Joel and bead usage. Doesn't Bed miss

1070
01:07:40,000 --> 01:07:43,320
enough games to where that helps him. I'm gonna say it's too hot,

1071
01:07:43,400 --> 01:07:46,000
un most improved. I think it'll
be too difficult to spot the differences,

1072
01:07:46,039 --> 01:07:48,480
and that if he was going to
win that award, it was going to

1073
01:07:48,519 --> 01:07:53,800
happen last year, as disinclined as
people including myself are to give it to

1074
01:07:53,800 --> 01:07:57,000
second year players. Yeah, that's
interesting you mentioned that because a lot of

1075
01:07:57,000 --> 01:08:00,760
the guys when the might P question
is the only one that really is like

1076
01:08:00,199 --> 01:08:03,840
not way too hot. Looking through
it, I just kept coming back to

1077
01:08:03,880 --> 01:08:06,480
like second year guys like well,
I mean, Scotty Barnes is going to

1078
01:08:06,519 --> 01:08:10,159
get a lot better, and what
about Evan Mobley or okay, you know

1079
01:08:10,199 --> 01:08:13,400
all these which is such so stupid
because the second year guys, I agree,

1080
01:08:13,440 --> 01:08:15,320
it's kind of like, well,
yeah, of course they're going to

1081
01:08:15,360 --> 01:08:17,359
get better. It's not like they
meaningfully changed. I mean, Nick Richards

1082
01:08:17,399 --> 01:08:20,880
is probably gonna win Most Improved Player, right, Like that's what we've decided.

1083
01:08:21,880 --> 01:08:28,760
I do think that Maxi has the
assistance of a narrative that I feel

1084
01:08:28,760 --> 01:08:31,000
like and it's partly true, but
like I don't know if you watch the

1085
01:08:31,000 --> 01:08:34,079
first two Sixers game as I saw
were both national broadcasts, and stan Van

1086
01:08:34,159 --> 01:08:38,479
Gundy like there was a counter for
like how many times he said that Maxi

1087
01:08:38,600 --> 01:08:41,319
was the most underrated player in the
league. And I feel like that's not

1088
01:08:41,439 --> 01:08:45,000
just him. I feel like there's
a real push for everyone to like acknowledge

1089
01:08:45,039 --> 01:08:48,560
how great Maxi is and like,
yeah, he needs more responsibility. But

1090
01:08:48,600 --> 01:08:55,319
it's like until Harden really like you
know, turns back into nets Harden or

1091
01:08:55,399 --> 01:08:59,239
embed his hurt or it's like Maxie
is the third option on this team,

1092
01:08:59,239 --> 01:09:02,199
like that is the wrecked order.
I think he'd be best deployed, like

1093
01:09:02,239 --> 01:09:04,880
you said, without either of those
two guys, Like every minute those two

1094
01:09:04,920 --> 01:09:09,600
guys rest should be the Maxi show, Like you know, that's just how

1095
01:09:09,640 --> 01:09:13,399
it should work. But he's not
leading him in scoring way too hot.

1096
01:09:13,520 --> 01:09:16,560
He's not making an All Star team. Oh, he's not making an All

1097
01:09:16,600 --> 01:09:20,319
Star team. No, I don't. It's well because if he makes it

1098
01:09:20,920 --> 01:09:25,039
like and being and Harden have to
be on it too, right, barring

1099
01:09:25,079 --> 01:09:27,960
injury, Like barring injury is the
caveat that runs through all this. But

1100
01:09:28,000 --> 01:09:30,760
like he's their third best player.
Is he gonna Is he gonna make it?

1101
01:09:30,920 --> 01:09:32,640
With two other sixers at the right
things are going, It's hard to

1102
01:09:32,680 --> 01:09:39,079
see. I guess that's a fair
point. This next one from darkwing Duck

1103
01:09:39,479 --> 01:09:43,399
Denver won't win forty five games?
Too hot or not? That's way too

1104
01:09:43,439 --> 01:09:45,359
hot, thank you. I thought
it was way too hot too. They're

1105
01:09:45,399 --> 01:09:48,720
four and three through seven, that's
a forty six win pace. And everyone

1106
01:09:48,760 --> 01:09:53,359
would agree that the Nuggets have been
disappointing so far. So like again,

1107
01:09:53,439 --> 01:09:57,279
barring injury, if Yoki gets hurt, all bets are off. But that

1108
01:09:57,520 --> 01:10:00,039
like this is this is a fifty
win team. It's just you know,

1109
01:10:00,319 --> 01:10:03,640
I don't know how they get under
forty five is way too hot? What

1110
01:10:03,800 --> 01:10:10,159
is most concerned you about the Nuggets
right now? Jamal Murray doesn't look like

1111
01:10:10,199 --> 01:10:15,880
he's very close to back to me, like just he I will say that

1112
01:10:15,039 --> 01:10:19,159
like I do, like I love
Casep's fit. He'd missed some time with

1113
01:10:19,199 --> 01:10:23,920
an ankle. I think he's kind
of the perfect two for that team,

1114
01:10:23,960 --> 01:10:28,800
but Murray just like and maybe it'll
come and it's unreasonable to expect more.

1115
01:10:28,960 --> 01:10:34,279
But I think the combination of Murray
like not really getting a lot of separation,

1116
01:10:34,399 --> 01:10:40,800
not looking quick most of the time
he has moments, combined with Yoki

1117
01:10:41,000 --> 01:10:44,960
kind of not being that aggressive as
a scorer for a lot of the season

1118
01:10:45,039 --> 01:10:47,039
so far, is like I don't
know if i'd say that concerns me,

1119
01:10:48,399 --> 01:10:54,479
but like, those aren't great.
Those aren't great signals, especially with Murray,

1120
01:10:54,479 --> 01:10:57,439
because I do think for the Nuggets
to sort of be what the most

1121
01:10:57,479 --> 01:11:01,079
optimistic outlooks for them were, which
is to say they're like a could be

1122
01:11:01,119 --> 01:11:04,479
a team that makes the finals,
Like Murray just has to be pretty close

1123
01:11:04,520 --> 01:11:09,319
to Bubble Murray and MPJ has to
be, you know, on the absolute

1124
01:11:09,319 --> 01:11:14,159
shortest list of like high volume three
point shooters this year, which could happen.

1125
01:11:15,319 --> 01:11:17,039
But then you still have all the
questions about about like can we build

1126
01:11:17,039 --> 01:11:20,239
a defense that wins playoff series around
Yokich, you know, against the best

1127
01:11:20,239 --> 01:11:24,359
offenses. I don't know, but
yeah, I mean they're really good,

1128
01:11:24,359 --> 01:11:26,760
Denver's really good, and I think
they both they should get better. The

1129
01:11:26,840 --> 01:11:30,760
Murray stuff. I think it's way
too early to say offense despite his struggles.

1130
01:11:30,760 --> 01:11:33,000
The defense bottom five and points out
per possession. That's that's troubling for

1131
01:11:33,000 --> 01:11:36,720
sure. For sure the final one. And I didn't add this until the

1132
01:11:36,760 --> 01:11:40,960
last minute, so it's good that
you're Actually it's up to you to throw

1133
01:11:40,960 --> 01:11:45,039
it to me first so they'll go
look at it again. It somehow like

1134
01:11:45,079 --> 01:11:48,520
didn't copy and paste all these all
right, this is from kilhas flattened lottery

1135
01:11:48,560 --> 01:11:53,000
odds, and the play and tournament
have worked to curb tanking, and going

1136
01:11:53,039 --> 01:11:56,680
forward, most teams will attempt quick
one to two year rebuilds rather than trying

1137
01:11:56,680 --> 01:12:01,680
to bottom out long term. Agree
just tanking, like the pros is dead.

1138
01:12:01,680 --> 01:12:03,840
This take it's not too hot.
And you want to know why.

1139
01:12:03,880 --> 01:12:06,760
I think it's reflected, Yes,
the lottery odds in the play in tournament.

1140
01:12:06,880 --> 01:12:11,880
It does make it sort of prohibitive
to go the long term tanking round,

1141
01:12:11,920 --> 01:12:14,760
or at least dissuades it a little
bit, or incentivizes you not too

1142
01:12:14,800 --> 01:12:16,520
however you want to frame it.
The other thing is just like you need

1143
01:12:16,560 --> 01:12:20,680
to look at how quickly title windows
are opening and closing around the NBA where

1144
01:12:20,680 --> 01:12:25,119
you're not it's different if you're going
through a long term tank to open what

1145
01:12:25,159 --> 01:12:29,159
you believe is this seven to twelve
year window that does not exist anymore.

1146
01:12:29,199 --> 01:12:32,479
Look what happened in Brooklyn specifically,
Look what happened with the Lakers surrounding lebron

1147
01:12:32,479 --> 01:12:36,439
and Anthony Davis. Like these title
windows are opening and closing in a flash.

1148
01:12:36,520 --> 01:12:40,600
Even Look, you know we joke
about the heat and Cleveland, like

1149
01:12:40,680 --> 01:12:43,239
Lebrono, he did his four year
cycles there and then just leaves like those

1150
01:12:43,239 --> 01:12:46,159
title windows clothes, Like even the
Warriors had to take two gap years to

1151
01:12:46,239 --> 01:12:48,479
reopen theirs. And yeah, there
are injuries that are part of it,

1152
01:12:48,520 --> 01:12:53,000
but that is also the Actually there's
injuries, players are leaving, getting unhappy,

1153
01:12:53,000 --> 01:12:56,359
things implode behind the scenes like we
see in Brooklyn. And I think

1154
01:12:56,359 --> 01:12:59,399
that's gonna go into it. The
trade off is no longer, Oh,

1155
01:12:59,399 --> 01:13:02,199
we're trying to open something that is
just going to endure for a decade or

1156
01:13:02,239 --> 01:13:06,119
more. And why do you want
to throw away X amount of years on

1157
01:13:06,159 --> 01:13:10,359
tanking? And even I the final
thing, I'll say, we got to

1158
01:13:10,520 --> 01:13:13,960
change the definition of what tanking is. It seems like it's thrown around with

1159
01:13:14,000 --> 01:13:18,119
this like casualness that isn't deserved.
I mean, Okay seas an example.

1160
01:13:18,199 --> 01:13:21,680
Yeah, they've they've done like shut
down tanks. They've done that for two

1161
01:13:21,720 --> 01:13:25,479
years now, it's been two years
and they've yet to do it this season.

1162
01:13:25,640 --> 01:13:28,039
And you can say like, oh, well, look at who's on

1163
01:13:28,079 --> 01:13:30,640
their team, Well, those are
all there's just a ship tunnel legitimate prospects.

1164
01:13:30,640 --> 01:13:33,359
Now, like when you have yeah, Shay jojo Axander, Josh Kiddy,

1165
01:13:33,520 --> 01:13:35,720
it's not their fault, Chet Homer
and gets injured. Now do I

1166
01:13:35,760 --> 01:13:40,119
think that they've done mid season tank
jobs? For sure? I don't think

1167
01:13:40,119 --> 01:13:44,760
we've seen anything as egregious over the
course of a year as we've seen from

1168
01:13:44,760 --> 01:13:46,720
teams in the past, like just
the six Ers of course, but just

1169
01:13:46,800 --> 01:13:50,560
other teams, and how it felt
like from the beginning we were always setting

1170
01:13:50,560 --> 01:13:53,920
out to tank. You now,
maybe the Spurs and the Jazz, we're

1171
01:13:53,960 --> 01:13:57,119
trying to do that this year,
and they fell as backwards into being like

1172
01:13:57,199 --> 01:14:00,600
competitive, probably the Jazz more so
than that there Spurs, but even the

1173
01:14:00,640 --> 01:14:04,720
Jazz. It's like, I know, this team was accidental because like you

1174
01:14:04,720 --> 01:14:09,399
didn't acquire any of those players on
purpose. You wanted the picks for Rudy

1175
01:14:09,439 --> 01:14:13,239
Gobert and even Royce o'deil that Donovan
Mitchell specifically, but you looked at the

1176
01:14:13,279 --> 01:14:15,439
rosters like, well, this team
can't suck because it has good players.

1177
01:14:15,479 --> 01:14:19,840
They're just gonna demolish it at some
point. So I love this take because

1178
01:14:19,840 --> 01:14:21,840
I agree with it, and I
don't think it's too hot. It might

1179
01:14:23,079 --> 01:14:27,079
it might sound too hot to people
some people. I just I don't think

1180
01:14:27,119 --> 01:14:29,319
it is. Yeah, I don't
think it's too odd. I think the

1181
01:14:29,359 --> 01:14:33,640
only way that changes is if like
the thunder Go, you know, in

1182
01:14:33,800 --> 01:14:38,880
two years, begin like an eight
year run of where they're a fifty game

1183
01:14:38,960 --> 01:14:42,079
winning team, you know, when
if it's very clear that like Houston would

1184
01:14:42,079 --> 01:14:45,119
be another one that you know,
it's still it's crazy because they've been going

1185
01:14:45,159 --> 01:14:48,640
on for so long or it feels
like but if they work, then maybe

1186
01:14:48,680 --> 01:14:51,600
not. And I don't think you're
going to see the end to like what

1187
01:14:51,640 --> 01:14:56,159
Portland did last year, where it's
like we have a key injury the second

1188
01:14:56,159 --> 01:14:59,680
half of the year, like screw
it, we're gonna shut it down.

1189
01:14:59,800 --> 01:15:01,439
Like that's gonna linger. And I
think that probably should linger, because that's

1190
01:15:01,479 --> 01:15:03,960
just the smart move. But the
process stuff, yeah, I think there's

1191
01:15:04,000 --> 01:15:08,439
a chance that just the flatt and
lottery odds alone, I think just you

1192
01:15:08,479 --> 01:15:11,800
know, did a lot of work
to kind of end that kind of stuff.

1193
01:15:12,279 --> 01:15:15,039
So yeah, not too hot,
which which is maybe that will surprise

1194
01:15:15,079 --> 01:15:18,039
people. I don't know. That's
all we have, I think, unless

1195
01:15:18,079 --> 01:15:21,039
you'd like to add I guess I'll
take us so much that I'm probably gonna

1196
01:15:21,079 --> 01:15:25,600
put this into like two different Oh
yeah, we went along. That's okay,

1197
01:15:25,640 --> 01:15:30,039
that's what we do. So guys, thank you for listening. That's

1198
01:15:30,039 --> 01:15:32,560
gonna do it. I hope you
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1199
01:15:32,600 --> 01:15:36,000
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1200
01:15:36,039 --> 01:15:39,920
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1201
01:15:40,000 --> 01:15:43,720
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1202
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all that stuff. Subscribe, Tell
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that we can convert them into your
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takes and all you know. I
want to say one last thing, actually

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two last things today. Sorry Jared
Allen, I was wrong about you,

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and godspeed. Steve. Nash also
shout out Frank niel Akina, who just

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remains perfect in every single way.