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Hello, and welcome to Open Mind
UFO Radio. I am your host,

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Alejandro Rojas, and I am here
with Martin Ruskie Willis. I'm not actually

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Martin Ruskie. Willis you know who
I am today? Who I am Martin

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wishing you a happy birthday, Willis. Well, that's good. I guess,

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Well, thank you. It is
my birthday. I usually don't like

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to make a thing about my birthday, Like I'm not big into parties and

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stuff. And it's funny because people
because I do the radio show and I

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love you know, you can tell
I think when I'm on stage and I'm

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having fun and I like being on
stage, and you can tell I have

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fun when I'm doing this radio show
because I do. But I'm not like,

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I'm like an introvert and extrovert in
that I don't like attention on me.

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I think that's what's cool about radio
is that you know, the attention

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isn't so much on you. You're
just by yourself talking with a buddy,

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having fun and you know what people
are listening. But it's not like people

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are giving you attention. So that's
why I'm kind of shy about my birthday.

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But thank you. You're welcome,
and just one more thing, Happy

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birthday, Alejandro. That's cute as
long as you don't sing. I was

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thinking about it, but I dare
you because I've sang. I sang on

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my show, I'm sang on your
show. I don't think. Once you

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have sang, and that's Happy birthday
to you, Happy birthday to you,

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Happy birthday. Do all ahome the
happy birthday too. That was beautiful.

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That was really good. I don't
know why you don't sing more often,

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because that was that was great.
I was trying to do something that Bill

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Bill Murray used to do, this
thing where he used to used to do

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like a lounge singer. Yeah.
I love that, so yeah, I

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was trying to do that. That's
where he does a stars talking about Star

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Wars. I'm glad you get the
reference. Yeah, I love Bill Murray.

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That was good. That was good, Bill Murray. That was good

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singing. I thoroughly enjoyed that.
Thank you so much. Martin. You're

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welcome. So I called you a
Ruski because you're in Russia and and that

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I don't mean that as a bad
thing, And you know, I get

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overly freaked out, and I always
say that I don't mean that as a

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bad thing. I don't mean that
as bad thing because I don't want people

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to think that I mean that as
a bad thing. And it seems like

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whenever I don't say that, then
people get upset. So like, you

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know, who did we get upset
last time? Oh? Sanada? Oh

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no, no, no, Canada. Recently, but the last show,

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I had to make an apology because
people thought I was being are you and

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I were being mean about Heather Wade
and Art Well and that wasn't I didn't

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intend to do that at all.
No, that they're great. I love

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our I don't really know Heatherweight,
but she seems great, so yeah,

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I have no problem with any of
that. So I had to apologize because

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someone got upset about that. But
yeah, and then just recently Canada because

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we were talking about Canada Day,
which we got the facts completely wrong,

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and I certainly apologized for that,
and they're like, you could have just

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googled it, dude, and it
was like, okay, that's true,

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but we were talking, so it
was in the mid conversation. I couldn't

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google and get the facts mid conversation. I do most humbly apologize for not

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having the facts when it comes to
Canada Day, which is actually on the

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first. But you know that they
said in the article, the person said

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the second exactly. They said they
were celebrating on the second. So maybe

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they were just celebrating the day after. Maybe it was on a Friday or

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Thursday, and so celebrations were the
next day or something like that. So

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we innocently assumed it was the second, and then we joked around about,

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you know, the stealing thunder,
Yeah, trying to steal our thunder or

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something like that. And even that's
not bad because if they had decided,

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you know what, let's steal some
of the July fourth juju from these goofball

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Americans, we'll have our holiday a
few days before, so there's will be

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like a follow up and it'll be
like, oh, you know, we're

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already over it, we already celebrated. I think that would be great.

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I think that'd be genius and that
would have been a good move like Canadians.

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So I didn't I wasn't criticizing that
that concept, if that's what they

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did. I was, you know, saying, hey, good job,

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Canada getting one over on us.
But what can you do? Yeah,

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oh well yeah, So if any
Canadians were offended, and luckily mostly for

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the most part, this is a
stereotype, but a stereotype I've found to

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be true. Canadians are pretty damn
nice, so I think that obviously they'll

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accept our apology, which is heartfelt. And I'm a big fan of Canadians,

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so me too, our neighbors to
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mm hmm. And I guess they're
really good with computers. I used to

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work at this company where I was
a trainer. I managed this training department

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for computers and stuff, and we
had a call center in Canada, and

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the manager used to remind us every
phone call. He had to remind us,

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well, you know, Canadians are
much better at communter computers and Americans

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because we teach him in school.
He used to say that every time,

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and you know, you remember,
yeah, just to be nice. I

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would never call him on it.
And I'm a stats guy, where I

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would have said, well, according
to our statistics right here, you know,

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you're not performing as well. But
they would perform pretty well. But

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just because they were mostly they were
very nice in everything the customers. So

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if you get it, Canadian call
center, it's a very you're lucky because

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you're going to get someone really nice. But yeah, I just remembered that

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about Canadians. So hey, so
who do we have for a guest on

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the show today? Oh, that's
that's right. We're doing a radio show

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right now. I've almost forgotten it's
a UFO radio show. It's not a

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Canadian or Russian radio show. So
yeah, let's talk about UFOs and I

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have someone excellent to speak about UFOs
on the show today. Actually we're more

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speaking about aliens, and that is
Chase Kletsky. And she, of course

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is a researcher with mouf On.
I say of course because I've had her

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on the show before and I talked
about her on the last show because she

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was the MC at the Roswell UFO
Festival the weekend before last, which was

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a lot of fun. I was
there speaking and she introduced me and she

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made me sound like I was,
you know, amazing, and she oversold.

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So I think people were extremely disappointed
when they're like this guy is not.

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She made it sound like this guy
was like incredible. He was kind

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of dorky with some goofball jokes.
This guy's a goofball. No, I

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think people like my talk. But
she's great. She works with Moufon,

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and we'll go over some of that
history of what she's doing with move On,

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because I think when I interviewed her
last she was critical of Moufon and

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that was part of our discussion,
and you know, here's some behind the

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scenes. So after we talk,
you know, I was like, you

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know, you should talk with jan
again. Have you ever talked with him

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and see if you could work some
of this out? And she's like,

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no, I don't really know him. So we got him together. We

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said, Jan, you should talk
to Chase and we arranged it and they

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got together and she's been enthusiastically involved
with moufon research, and we'll talk about

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that, but in particular, we're
gonna talk about the star Child skull.

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Do you remember what that is?
I sure do. I had Lloyd pie

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On years ago. Yeah. So
Lloyd pie is a guy. He was

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a guy investigating a former journalist I
believe it's his background, who was investigating

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this odd skull that was found in
Mexico that he believed maybe of extraterrestrial origins,

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and he felt that the DNA was
a little bit strange. It turns

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out he was not the owner of
the skull. He was just the investigator.

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And actually Chase will be going over
that history with us. And she

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did a very extensive examination of this
skull. And some of you may be

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aware because we did share her findings
on our Facebook and all of our social

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media and stuff, because they did
a great job. And so I think

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people are going to find this really
interesting. I think her honesty and how

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they went about this was great.
But beyond that, she's also looked at

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these Peruvian skulls, these elongated skulls
that people also think maybe alien, and

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we share she shares her findings thus
far, her and some of the people

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she's worked with, like La Marzouli, have discovered regarding these calls. So

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I think it's really interesting. Chase
is great. So a lot of is.

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Yes, I've always thought a lot
of her. She's a very very

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nice person, super energetic and just
really fun to be a bit around.

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She's always smiling and happy, and
it definitely she made the Roswell thing great.

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So, yeah, thanks for reminding
me that we're doing the UFO podcast

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here, No problem at all.
Do you want me to start out with

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a news story? Wow? You're
just taking the lead here. It's your

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birthday. I'm trying to make you
relax. Man. Oh well, thank

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you. Sure, I'm gonna sit
back, and why don't you entertain me

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on my birthday with some UFO stories. I will start with this or and

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I'll finish with this too. And
it's Aatian mechanic unable to identify a sphere

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shaped object that this happened. Yes, this happened in Ohio, holding a

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county and he was actually watching and
he got to photograph, and he took

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a short video which I downloaded and
took a look at. So this happened

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back in June, June tenth of
this year, and it was at night.

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Now, if you look at the
pictures there's stills on Open Minds,

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you will see that it does not
look like nighttime. So this probably lightened

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up a little bit. The video
does look like it's at night. And

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so he said he went out to
grab his cell phone charger out of his

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scooter or glove box and saw this
object hauling bleep. This is a family

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show, right, that's true.
Yeah, across the sky. And he

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only had a little bit of time
to snap a picture and a bit of

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video. So he said it was
moving quite fast, and the video it

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does do kind of get the sense
that it is moving fairly fast. Now,

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he's worked on F sixteen's and he
has enough knowledge of planes and helicopters

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to know it wasn't a plane and
it wasn't arc it wasn't arcing like a

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falling space object would. So there
is a clip. It's available, you

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can download it. And so this
is being investigated by Joseph pel Pelvenski and

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he closed it as an unknown at
this time. So I don't know if

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you checked out the video. The
stills are actually pretty decent. When you

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go in, it does kind of
look like kind of a sphere or almost

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a disc shaped object has a nice, pretty bright glow to it. Of

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course it wouldn't be glowing, you
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the moon reflection. I don't know
what else would make it glow like that.

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Yeah, pretty interesting. What do
you think of the video? Like

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I said, the video, it
does appear that it is. You know,

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it's hard to see it first,
you can see it. It does

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appear though that it is moving along
only because you see a little bit of

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a flash of the tree line,
you know, like he's following it or

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something. So I don't know,
it's yeah, that's an outstanding one.

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That one's really interesting. Who knows. It's a tough one to say,

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but yeah, that's an interesting case. These are fun, these ones.

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There are some interesting pictures and videos. You know, we talked about when

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last week coming up in the move
on files. Did you happen to see

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that other one where the witness felt
like they caught the military chasing a UFO

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I did. I checked that out. Yes, if do you want me

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to say that one too, so
you can just relax on your birthday?

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Oh, that'd be great, go
for it, all right. So this

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witness allegedly captures this is really interesting
because this was at a meeting out in

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California where there was a bunch of
people at a mutual Wait a minute,

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no, it was I guess I'm
not really prepared for this one man conference.

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It was a UFO conference, that's
right. And but the video is

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really crazy. It is a night
vision video, so I never know what

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to exactly think of those. But
what happens is this this thing is moving

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right along and it looks like two
parallel lights. You can actually see stars

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between them, and they're pretty close
to each other, and they're steady lights

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and they're moving what appears to be
rapidly, and behind it there is a

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jet chasing it. You can see
the lights flashing on the jet, the

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navigation lights flashing. No lights are
flashing on the two lighted. Again,

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it seems to be moving right along. This happened at the Joshua Tree and

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back in May twenty first of this
year. So they were all outside,

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they were all like looking for UFOs
and they actually saw this, which I

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think is is pretty cool. And
this was right I think was near Giant

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Rock, wasn't it. Yeah.
Yeah, So in the video you do

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see two lights followed by two more
lights. The second set of lights you

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can tell is an aircraft. It's
very apparent because they're blinking. The first

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set of lights are similar to the
second, but not blinking, so it's

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difficult to tell exactly what it is
that's the alleged UFO. Now, one

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of the people there says she had
some night vision goggles and she took a

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look, and there's an image there
of what she feels she saw a diamond

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shaped object. My question would be
that kind of looks like an aperture,

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one of those aperture, you know, fuzzy things, which would makes sense,

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you know that if it was a
bright point of light. Sometimes they

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kind of are they the light.
You're not getting an accurate view of what

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the light looks like, especially with
night vision, and it could be just

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the shape of the aperture that makes
it diamond shape. Now I don't know

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that for sure, So hopefully someone
will chime in and tell me you are

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so wrong. You don't know what
the heck you're talking about, or someone

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will say, hey, you've been
listening to Mark D'Antonio, haven't you.

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I think that it's rubbing off and
you got it right. So Mark will

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be the first to tell me if
I'm full of it, So we'll see.

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But yeah, so that's interesting.
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this is kind of funny. You
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the Daily Express, which is a
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story and they wrote about it,
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at least a couple people, including
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in our Facebook a lot making comments
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good comments. He's UFOs of Interest, I think is the name of his

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website. But yeah, he made
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aircraft and that the first set of
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just not blinking, so a different
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seen this many times myself because they
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where all the stuff they're doing out
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they'll often be working in covert mode
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infrared lights are on. So I
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this was a black and white night
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think that it was mysterious. He
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now. Now the person investigating this
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one of our online buddies as well. Move On, California, Movefon.

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Chief Investigator Earl Gray Anderson is the
guy who's investigating, so no doubt he

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will keep us up to date on
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a couple of comments, not really
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he appreciates any input sort of thing. So he hasn't told us what he's

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figured out or anything. But yeah, he's often in our Facebook group as

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well the open minds UFO news groups. So come check that out. So

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Earl's great, He's a really cool
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Earl Gray. Huh oh, yeah, it sounds like a tea, right,

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isn't that a tree? It is
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least in the United States by you
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Earl Gray tea. Wow, boy, you you're really rounded, you know

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that. Well, I'm trying to
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out. I haven't gone to the
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I typically doers would like to.
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I meant, you know. Oh
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about. This is really cool.
So Richard Hoffman, who formerly former director

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at state director of a couple of
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now he is working with the SEU. He already was, so the SEU,

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the Scientific Coalition for Ufology, is
the group that investigated the Puerto Rican

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case, the Homeland Security case and
wrote up that paper. And they're still

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doing that. In fact, they're
ongoing answering questions and analyzing, you know,

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people's theories on that might be trying
to figure it out. They feel

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for the most part they haven't come
up with a satisfactory answer, and they

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do have more investigations regarding that,
you know, underway, and they're going

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to be releasing more. However,
you know, one of the areas he

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was state director was in Alabama,
and so he wrote an article for US

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on Open Minds about a phenomena out
there that is very similar to the Hesdealen

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lights. So the Hesdalen lights,
you know, we talked about that quite

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a bit. There are these lights
in Norway over this valley that nobody seems

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to be able to figure out.
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and in Alabama. In fact,
there's a gentleman, Wyatt Cox. He's

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written a book about it called spook
Lights, and he's done an investigation into

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this. But Richard Hoffman is part
of an ongoing investigation to figure out what

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the hell these things are, and
so he's written an article about this and

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it sounds fascinating. So these light
orbs that people are seeing so pretty cool

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stuff. So people that can go
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this, you'll see some lights that
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this article that he submitted as well
is that there are links to books that

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he's using as reference to people who
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you know, falls of light and
that. So that's an extremely helpful reference

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because you know, these are people
who have done some scientific reference or investigations,

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some books that people really should look
into if you are studying or investigating

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UFOs to understand this phenomenon better and
what it might be. But certainly,

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you know, Rich feels it it's
a mystery, and so does a group

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investigate. But yeah, that's pretty
exciting. Now what do you just just

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to ask your opinion, your personal
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that these are some type of natural
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know, erling Strand, who is
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takes students out to investigate this in
Norway and he works with other universities like

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in Spain and elsewhere to investigate these
things. They come from the perspective that

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they are some sort of natural plasma
phenomena type of thing, a kin to

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you know, ball lightning or something
like that, but he doesn't feel that

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way. He actually feels that there's
evidence of these things moving intelligently and demonstrating

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some intelligence. So yeah, he
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some natural phenomena. So I am
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have no idea. I think what's
exciting about this is that there are people

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researching these things and trying to use, you know, equipment that can gather

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information on these things to be able
to determine what they're made of and what

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they might be. So there's hope
of discovering the nature of the phenomena.

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about Hesdeln and now this and some of

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the other like the Marpha lites or
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though. I mean for me, I

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will defer to the experts, and
they're finding. Yes, really that sounds

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like a good idea, smart idea. I think it's great that they have

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taken it serious enough where they will
actually, you know, get scientific equipment

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out there and get scientists out there
to study that. And I'm glad that

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they're going to be taking it more
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Yeah, really cool. So before
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want to mention. First of all, there's some there are a lot of

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great UFO stories out there recently.
And I don't mean well, I don't

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want to beg on them too bad, because I always do, but I

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don't mean just only the UK tabloids, because unfortunately, really maybe only one

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out of five stories, which is
better than the statistics have been in the

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past, because I used to say
zero out of zero stories, but I

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mean only one out of five stories
in the UK tabloids is actually based off

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of real information or not making too
many wild claims. It's great they're referring

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to people like Scott Brando or Nigel
Watson or of course Nick Pope. Those

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are very level headed people who give
him some good input. But besides that,

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there's also a lot of UFO news
out there, so of course we

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post it every day. But it's
just great that there's there's a lot of

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it. I mean, there's an
abundance out there of interesting stuff. Now.

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One of these stories, however,
is of a smoke ring, and

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I saw that, yeah, and
I just want to warn people that,

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you know, we've done stories on
this before, and I've got the link

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at least on our social media and
you can if you look at smoke ring

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on our website, you'll see this. But smoke rings are common, like

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when something explodes, just like when
you're smoking, you know, and people

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like Gandolf, you know, Ganolf
can do some pretty elaborate smoke str ring

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stuff, but normal people can make
circles and stuff. A lot of people

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can. Or who did that,
Godzilla, Baby Godzilla, remember baby Godzilla

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before he could do fire, did
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is funny is that when during festivals
and stuff like that, or even in

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this case, I think they said
it was a transformer exploding and the smoke

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created or ring. So explosions can
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a lot of people are out there
making a big deal about this smoke ring,

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and oh my gosh, it's a
an alien or blah blah blah or

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a portal or whatever. No,
it's just a normal occurrence. So probably

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most of you see that and you
think, well, it's smoke, big

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deal. But of course, uh, newspapers and stuff like this sensationalize some

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of this stuff, so it's not
as mysterious as some of these people are

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making it out to be. That's
right. Yeah, you know, usually

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when transformers blow, it's really really
bright. It's like some of the yeah,

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you know, so bright it hurts
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Yeah, so I'm surprised. I'm
surprised if it would be that. It

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seems like they would know that something
was Well, if it's if it's during

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the day and you know, a
few blocks away, you're not going to

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see the light, but you'll see
the ring. And not only that,

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the light doesn't last for that long
when it explodes, you know, it's

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a few seconds because I've seen this
actually, and then but the smoke ring

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then slowly floats up, so it's
it's present for much longer. So people

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are more likely to see the ring
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during the day. So yep,
all right, anything else buddy. No,

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I hope people got past the happy
Birthday song to listen to the rest

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of the Show's right kidding. They're
probably like, my goodness, he sounds

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wonderful and I can't wait to hear
him sing more. I think that's what

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they're thinking. I think they're more
likely to stay listening because they're like,

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man, I can't turn the channel
or turn this off because of the chance

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that Martin is going to sing some
more and it's wonderful. So see me

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at the Starlight Lounge. Yeah,
maybe we'll have you perform at the UFO

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Congress. You know you could do
UFOs. Look at those UFOs. No,

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I think you're you're the one.
You're you're the talent. Now you

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you Happy birthday again? Man?
All right, yeah, thank you very

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much. You have a safe time
out there, whinter How long do you

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have out there? Still? Eleven
days? Eleven days, so a little

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more than a week, about a
week and a half and then and then

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you'll be back. So you have
a safe trip, enjoy those eleven days,

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and I guess we'll be talking to
you soon. All right, sounds

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good? All right, you next
week, talk to you later. I

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am super, super excited. Usually
I'm super excited to have my guests,

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but now I am today, I'm
super duper excited to have Chase Kletzki back

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on the show. Hello Chase,
Hi, allieandre I'm so happy to be

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here. It's always like so much
fun. When we're in the same room,

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it is fun. And we were
in the same room quite a bit

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recently in Roswell. What a great
experience. I am still excited and very

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motivated it. That's probably the word
I walked away with on a personal level.

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I needed that time with professional colleagues
and it was amazing. Every moment

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of it well was fun, and
you am seed and you were great at

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it. I'm not sure if you
received a lot of peffe quickly you did

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positive. It was good to have
someone coming up in between the talks that

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just had this big smile and lots
of positive energy, so it helped set

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the pace for the event. And
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of like that. People were pretty
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Huh. I absolutely agree. And
you know, we kind of commented

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later that we didn't hear any complaints
and technically there should have been a couple.

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You know, we had air conditioning
problems and the room wasn't ready,

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and you know, and no one
cared because the attitude and the atmosphere provided

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by the speakers and you know,
all of us that were responsible for the

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people who actually bought the tickets,
because it's all about them, really,

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they were really receptive to that positive
energy. It's funny you say that too,

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the honesty that there should have been
some complaints, and perhaps there could

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have justifiably been some like you mentioned, But I think that the fun that

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everybody was having and what outweighed the
rest where even myself. You know,

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sure it was hot, in fact, after my talk, I was literally

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drenched in sweat, but I mean
it was overshadowed by the fun that we

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all had and I didn't even think
twice about any anything that was negative.

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It was just a good time.
I think that's the group of people that

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were collected, for lack of a
better word, or assembled the you know,

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it was just you know, we're
all friends, we all know each

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other. Some I'm closer to than
others, like doctor Courtney Brown. What

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a treat he was. And you
know, I learned that Nick Pope is

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freaking hysterical, like you know,
it was just you know, and then

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of course sharing that time with people
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yourself and Karen and you know,
move on, Phoenix, move on.

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Everyone knows. I rave about them. They're untouchable with excellence. I love

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that group. Yeah, they're pretty
cool. So yeah, it was all

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fun. It went so well,
and I really don't there's not even much

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to gossip about, you know,
I know, and that's that's a good

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thing finally, right, I mean
this, you know, eupology has taken

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some hits, and you know,
some deservingly so and others not so much.

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And I just feel that, you
know that again assemble a group of

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people that have been in it for
decades and have been in it in the

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hard times and when it wasn't cool, that we're still gathering together with that

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joy and you know, attitude of
just moving forward. It's it's okay if

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everybody else, you know, hates
this whole genre, I'm still going to

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investigate UFO reports. So we're and
so would everybody else that you know we

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were speaking with. You know,
we're motivated. It reminds me of a

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high performance team where you have a
group of people that are just so focused

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on one thing they can they can
barely pay attention to anything else. You

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know, we're the group that lets
the laundry go, and you know,

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the apocalypse could happen and we're still
in the field. Yeah, exactly,

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So I guess we'll move on from
Roseol to Some of their listeners are probably

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will you could make it, and
that's your own fault because they should have

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made it. Just kidding. I
know people have work and everything, and

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00:33:15.119 --> 00:33:19.720
people are probably saving their time up
so they can come to the UFO Congress,

408
00:33:19.720 --> 00:33:23.720
which is probably a great idea.
And you'll be there, Yes,

409
00:33:23.799 --> 00:33:28.440
I am. I hate to miss
it. It took me years to finally

410
00:33:28.440 --> 00:33:32.720
get there. And you know,
that's almost a curse because one you know

411
00:33:32.799 --> 00:33:38.880
that the Congress is the best conference
out there, and when you're actually there,

412
00:33:39.519 --> 00:33:43.319
it makes it ten times harder to
miss it. It's just brutal,

413
00:33:43.400 --> 00:33:46.240
brutal to miss it. So I'm
going to be there. I'm excited because

414
00:33:46.799 --> 00:33:51.799
you know, be hopefully working with
the team. It's gonna be fun.

415
00:33:52.720 --> 00:33:55.200
It's going to be a lot of
fun. And just so people know a

416
00:33:55.279 --> 00:33:59.319
little bit more about what you do, maybe we could talk about that.

417
00:33:59.480 --> 00:34:01.920
What you do you at move On, You've run the Star Team, so

418
00:34:01.960 --> 00:34:06.880
maybe you can explain what that team
is and you might have more titles the

419
00:34:06.960 --> 00:34:09.840
Warrior doing this move On that I'm
not even aware of. So if that's

420
00:34:09.840 --> 00:34:15.519
okay, let's go over that.
Yeah right now. You know, of

421
00:34:15.559 --> 00:34:17.920
course MoveOn is only part of what
I do, because I also work very

422
00:34:17.920 --> 00:34:22.480
closely with Kerrie McClure with the Field
Reports, and you know, that's all

423
00:34:22.480 --> 00:34:28.480
our other stuff because I still love
paranormal and cryptids and you know, I

424
00:34:28.559 --> 00:34:30.960
just love the mystery. But in
move On, I focus on the you

425
00:34:30.960 --> 00:34:37.679
know, UFO reports that are generated
and I do. I lead what they

426
00:34:37.679 --> 00:34:42.400
call the Special Assignment Team, which
is actually a level above the Star Team,

427
00:34:42.920 --> 00:34:52.239
and it's we've assembled this group of
very experienced investigators that once again I

428
00:34:52.440 --> 00:34:58.440
profiled every single member on this team
to be part of that high performance and

429
00:34:59.119 --> 00:35:05.519
it's been in existence for three years
where rocking cases every single month, but

430
00:35:05.960 --> 00:35:10.880
we handle only the most critical and
sensitive cases reported to move On and only

431
00:35:10.920 --> 00:35:15.559
the cases that come outside of the
CMS. So we never work a case

432
00:35:15.599 --> 00:35:22.920
that a witness just puts into the
reporting site unless we're asked to assist,

433
00:35:22.960 --> 00:35:27.559
and we are asked often, so
you know, we're just really rocking.

434
00:35:27.679 --> 00:35:34.360
We've had three major deployments this year
and all this information is coming out usually

435
00:35:34.480 --> 00:35:38.599
you can read our final reports in
the journal. That's been the place they

436
00:35:38.639 --> 00:35:43.079
go. And you know, I
love working with this group. It's a

437
00:35:43.119 --> 00:35:45.960
small team. There's there's less than
ten of us, and we like it

438
00:35:45.960 --> 00:35:51.639
that way. You know, I've
not had a single problem, drama,

439
00:35:51.840 --> 00:35:54.760
upset, nothing, not a say. You know, it's a professional you

440
00:35:54.800 --> 00:35:59.719
know, it's a it's a high
professional arena where you know, we just

441
00:35:59.760 --> 00:36:04.840
work. We just work the cases. But I kind of when Jan asked

442
00:36:04.840 --> 00:36:07.840
me to, you know, kind
of help to develop a new team for

443
00:36:07.920 --> 00:36:12.360
headquarters, I kind of thought,
we have all the investigators taking care of

444
00:36:12.400 --> 00:36:15.000
everything out there, you know,
like a police department in an area.

445
00:36:15.079 --> 00:36:19.760
But when you have something big or
significant, you know, they know to

446
00:36:19.760 --> 00:36:24.800
bring in experts and a task force. And that's exactly how I've designed SAT

447
00:36:24.800 --> 00:36:32.039
team. So I do that.
I'm also on international tag and I am

448
00:36:32.079 --> 00:36:38.360
assisting some of the countries out here
that we don't have national leadership, you

449
00:36:38.400 --> 00:36:44.519
know, Cuba, Iceland, Mexico, Puerto Rico, Central America, Guatemala,

450
00:36:44.719 --> 00:36:50.360
Cayana, Honduras, Jamaica, Columbia, Costa Rica, nic Panama,

451
00:36:50.360 --> 00:36:55.000
and Venezuela. Those are my areas
that I investigate all the reports coming in

452
00:36:55.320 --> 00:37:01.239
from those countries. So oh in
Mexico, does I say Mexico? But

453
00:37:02.039 --> 00:37:07.719
I love that. I love working
international cases. And I'm also on the

454
00:37:07.719 --> 00:37:12.800
communications team as an associate producer.
I work very closely with the radio shows

455
00:37:13.519 --> 00:37:19.320
and also TV. We're getting a
lot of TV coverage and TV requests.

456
00:37:19.360 --> 00:37:25.199
So just an associate producer, learning
the trade as we move up. So

457
00:37:25.239 --> 00:37:32.880
it sounds like you're keeping busy.
Yeah, yeah, and it's yeah,

458
00:37:32.920 --> 00:37:37.280
I kind of take corners on two
wheels a Leandro and I love it.

459
00:37:37.400 --> 00:37:42.079
So I like to stay very busy. I put forty forty to sixty hours

460
00:37:42.119 --> 00:37:44.960
in every single week, even my
weeks of you know, when I'm on

461
00:37:45.039 --> 00:37:47.719
vacation, because I just this is
what I do. I love it.

462
00:37:49.760 --> 00:37:52.159
Well. Cool, So you're keeping
really busy. And another thing you're doing,

463
00:37:52.280 --> 00:37:57.360
and what we're going to talk about
is these other investigations that you do,

464
00:37:57.599 --> 00:38:02.400
such as these Star Child Skull.
So this came about in fact,

465
00:38:02.480 --> 00:38:07.519
you know, you came to Arizona, and you talked about this and you

466
00:38:07.679 --> 00:38:13.400
posted your results online since and it
looks like you guys did some great and

467
00:38:13.519 --> 00:38:16.039
exhaustive work on this, So I
wanted to talk about, you know,

468
00:38:16.239 --> 00:38:22.880
what you discovered. And I guess
first we can describe what the scar Child

469
00:38:23.000 --> 00:38:29.159
skull is and maybe how you ended
up hearing about it, and then how

470
00:38:29.199 --> 00:38:34.679
you became involved with investigating it.
Yeah, this skull has been around for

471
00:38:34.800 --> 00:38:40.039
decades and it's most famous with the
name Lloyd Pie who was a researcher.

472
00:38:40.199 --> 00:38:45.239
He was actually investigating a big foot, you know, that was his thing,

473
00:38:45.519 --> 00:38:50.320
and he was at a move on
meeting in Texas and the owner,

474
00:38:50.400 --> 00:38:53.760
Melanie Young, happened to go there
with this skull that she just thought was

475
00:38:53.800 --> 00:39:01.400
so anomalous looking and odd that there
was just, you know, something different

476
00:39:01.920 --> 00:39:07.360
about it. And Lloyd agreed to
take on the project and try to find

477
00:39:07.440 --> 00:39:10.679
out what was going on. And
they thought it looked alien, so of

478
00:39:10.679 --> 00:39:16.679
course they named it the Starchild.
You know. He spent pretty much the

479
00:39:16.719 --> 00:39:23.840
rest of his life from that day
forward investigating and researching information on the Starchild

480
00:39:23.880 --> 00:39:30.840
skull, and unfortunately Lloyd passed away
two years later. I'm speaking at Congress,

481
00:39:30.960 --> 00:39:38.920
and I'm talking about admissibility and the
responsibilities of investigators to you know,

482
00:39:39.800 --> 00:39:45.480
kind of give the witnesses better than
just writing down their statement, like,

483
00:39:45.840 --> 00:39:52.119
you know, take responsibility for the
titles we accept and to make our goals

484
00:39:52.159 --> 00:39:54.559
admissibility or to meet a burden of
proof, and to do that we have

485
00:39:54.639 --> 00:40:00.960
to understand what evidence is and Scott's
law, YadA YadA. Well, at

486
00:40:00.000 --> 00:40:06.239
the end of this, Melanie stood
up and approached the microphone for the Q

487
00:40:06.360 --> 00:40:10.800
and A session and you know,
said, ask me a question. She

488
00:40:10.840 --> 00:40:16.320
said, what would you consider the
definitive proof of extraterrestrials on this earth?

489
00:40:16.960 --> 00:40:22.559
And I answered DNA, plain and
simple DNA, And she says, well,

490
00:40:22.599 --> 00:40:24.039
I have some of that for you, and I'd like to talk to

491
00:40:24.039 --> 00:40:29.679
you. And I think I joked
around about would somebody please the duct tape

492
00:40:29.679 --> 00:40:32.280
this woman to the stage so she
doesn't go anywhere, because you know,

493
00:40:32.480 --> 00:40:37.840
Congress there's like a thousand people there, like at least, if not you

494
00:40:37.880 --> 00:40:40.239
know, double that, so you
know, to get lost in the crowd

495
00:40:40.239 --> 00:40:45.440
and try to find people is not
as easy. So I you know,

496
00:40:45.480 --> 00:40:49.199
I kind of joked about duct taping
her. But we met after and then

497
00:40:49.239 --> 00:40:52.840
I found out it was a star
child skull. Oh my gosh. It

498
00:40:52.880 --> 00:40:58.199
was like, well, I've heard
of the skull, and I also knew

499
00:40:58.280 --> 00:41:05.239
Lloyd Pie, you know, spent
sixteen years and devoted full time to this

500
00:41:05.400 --> 00:41:10.559
skull. It's so hard to take
over someone else's work. And he so

501
00:41:10.719 --> 00:41:15.719
loved I loved him. Everyone does, and you know, to really understand

502
00:41:16.079 --> 00:41:21.880
what they had and what was going
on. And I kind of looked at

503
00:41:21.920 --> 00:41:25.239
the skull when she had it with
her and she pulled it out of you

504
00:41:25.280 --> 00:41:29.639
know, the little container, and
I'm looking at the skull, and I'm

505
00:41:29.639 --> 00:41:32.440
thinking, wow, you know,
I actually think I could. I could

506
00:41:32.480 --> 00:41:37.480
do this. But there was only
one way, and that was if I

507
00:41:37.519 --> 00:41:43.920
could start a brand new, independent
investigation, completely separate of Lloyd's work.

508
00:41:44.280 --> 00:41:46.400
I didn't want to stand on that
man's shoulders. I did not want to,

509
00:41:46.800 --> 00:41:51.840
you know, use what he's done
and kind of catapul off that,

510
00:41:52.559 --> 00:41:57.639
but also knowing to meet that burden
of proof, it needed a new set

511
00:41:57.639 --> 00:42:00.960
of eyes and a brand new investigation
with that any of that back knowledge.

512
00:42:01.280 --> 00:42:07.400
And that's how that's how we started
m H. And so, what did

513
00:42:07.440 --> 00:42:13.840
you know about the investigation into the
skull. And this wasn't a meant by

514
00:42:13.880 --> 00:42:16.199
the way, that a big hook
for the conference because I didn't even know

515
00:42:16.280 --> 00:42:20.440
that. I guess maybe I forgot. I'm sure you told me, but

516
00:42:20.440 --> 00:42:23.199
I didn't even remember that. You
know, you made this connection at the

517
00:42:23.400 --> 00:42:28.199
conference, so that's pretty cool.
But yeah, what did you know at

518
00:42:28.199 --> 00:42:34.199
that time? Not much. I
was very familiar with the image of the

519
00:42:34.239 --> 00:42:37.480
Star Child, but honestly I never
paid attention to you know, what evidence

520
00:42:37.519 --> 00:42:42.840
they had, what files they had, you know, all I knew basically

521
00:42:42.880 --> 00:42:46.360
I was even wrong because when Melanie
first approached me and said it was a

522
00:42:46.400 --> 00:42:50.480
star Child, I'm like, oh
my gosh, you're the one who got

523
00:42:50.480 --> 00:42:53.239
the star Child after Lloyd passed away
and she looked at me, she said,

524
00:42:53.239 --> 00:42:55.960
no, Chase, I've always been
the owner. I didn't even know

525
00:42:57.039 --> 00:43:02.840
that. So I had very little
intimate nonedledge or you know, research data

526
00:43:04.079 --> 00:43:07.559
at all, which was a good
thing that played very well in the end.

527
00:43:07.960 --> 00:43:12.719
So how did you go about this? I mean it was probably intimidating

528
00:43:13.360 --> 00:43:20.639
since Lloyd High, of course was
known for this work, and he's essentially

529
00:43:20.760 --> 00:43:23.880
was associated, like you said,
even more so than the owner to the

530
00:43:24.000 --> 00:43:31.119
skull. What were your thoughts on
approaching this investigation. You're right about being

531
00:43:31.159 --> 00:43:37.000
intimidated, absolutely, And you know, I just thought, you know,

532
00:43:37.000 --> 00:43:39.039
I'm going to tackle it like I
do every other case, where you just

533
00:43:39.079 --> 00:43:43.159
start at the beginning. What do
we have. We have a skull.

534
00:43:43.960 --> 00:43:45.400
What's the first thing I want to
do. Well, I want to bring

535
00:43:45.400 --> 00:43:51.960
it to skull specialists and bone specialist
and you know what did they have to

536
00:43:52.000 --> 00:43:57.039
say? We also know for a
fact, an undisputed fact was this skull

537
00:43:57.119 --> 00:44:00.400
is nine hundred years old. So
I knew I needed to bring in the

538
00:44:00.440 --> 00:44:08.239
experts of anthropologists, archaeologist, osteologist
and a lot more ist people, and

539
00:44:09.519 --> 00:44:12.960
you know, and that's the first
thing we did, was we took it

540
00:44:13.000 --> 00:44:20.920
to the Osteology Museum because the first
question I had was has this skull been

541
00:44:21.760 --> 00:44:25.039
compared to other skulls? And of
course the answer was yes. But then

542
00:44:25.079 --> 00:44:31.519
we find out that it's only been
compared to three skulls, and you know,

543
00:44:31.840 --> 00:44:36.039
I was like, okay, leave
that over there. I never even

544
00:44:36.159 --> 00:44:40.800
looked at the data until the end. I had no idea anything about Lloyd's

545
00:44:40.840 --> 00:44:47.079
conclusions to any testing or anything.
And of course Carrie McClure very much a

546
00:44:47.119 --> 00:44:51.719
part of this very much a partner. She had no idea either, so

547
00:44:52.320 --> 00:44:57.880
that played to our benefit because we
just went forward with our own direction.

548
00:44:58.559 --> 00:45:02.880
So the first stop we went to
the Osteology Museum because it's a bone specialist.

549
00:45:02.880 --> 00:45:08.400
It's in Oklahoma City. It is
a huge, huge museum. But

550
00:45:08.519 --> 00:45:15.719
in the back room they had over
thirty skulls. Wow, yes, that

551
00:45:15.360 --> 00:45:19.960
we're five years old, twelve years
old. You know. Some of the

552
00:45:20.039 --> 00:45:24.000
claims to the anomalies on the Star
Child. We had to compare apples to

553
00:45:24.039 --> 00:45:30.599
apples because we did learn that the
skull was being compared to three other skulls,

554
00:45:30.679 --> 00:45:37.599
all of them within their forties.
So if this skull was the size

555
00:45:37.639 --> 00:45:40.639
and legitimately five years old, well
we had to compare the skull with other

556
00:45:40.679 --> 00:45:45.199
five year olds. So you know, we had over thirty. That was

557
00:45:45.400 --> 00:45:51.599
very profitable trip for us. The
other thing we knew was we had to

558
00:45:51.639 --> 00:45:58.320
have you know, the archaeology department
and you know, really anthropologists to really

559
00:45:58.360 --> 00:46:04.159
dig in and look at this because
we know it came from Mexico around Chihuahua

560
00:46:04.199 --> 00:46:08.880
and the Crystal Mind area, and
you know, we we wanted to take

561
00:46:08.920 --> 00:46:16.679
this as scientifically as possible, so
electron microscopic work was done at the Sealy

562
00:46:16.800 --> 00:46:22.119
Labs in Chicago, and they did
an outstanding job because we're at this point,

563
00:46:22.119 --> 00:46:28.639
we're looking for the red fibers and
you know that rebar, you know

564
00:46:28.679 --> 00:46:34.199
all that fiber that is allegedly throughout
the skull. And then and of course

565
00:46:34.320 --> 00:46:39.400
DNA was the next big test.
But anybody that had a connection to human

566
00:46:39.519 --> 00:46:49.880
remains, human bones, dentistry,
this skull was visiting every professional we could

567
00:46:49.880 --> 00:46:57.000
put out there, and what was
the consensus from the professionals. What we

568
00:46:57.239 --> 00:47:02.280
discovered was one no one ever thought
the skull was anything but five years old,

569
00:47:02.519 --> 00:47:06.320
So that was a done deal,
and of course it tested that way

570
00:47:06.360 --> 00:47:12.440
as well. Looking back once it
was over, we realized that all the

571
00:47:12.480 --> 00:47:16.239
testing that Lloyd had done also came
to the exact same conclusion. There was

572
00:47:16.280 --> 00:47:23.519
only one claim out of the hundreds
that the Star Child could be older,

573
00:47:23.519 --> 00:47:28.599
and that came from the teeth.
And the person who remarked that he thought

574
00:47:28.599 --> 00:47:30.360
the teeth were worn down more than
they should be for a five year old

575
00:47:31.280 --> 00:47:36.679
wasn't even a dentist. So of
course we brought the teeth to the dentist.

576
00:47:37.119 --> 00:47:40.480
You know, these were all expert, the experts, the people that

577
00:47:40.519 --> 00:47:47.599
should be weighing in did We found
next that we could not find any of

578
00:47:47.639 --> 00:47:53.559
the fibers and that rebar throughout the
entire skull. It was nonexistent. Again,

579
00:47:53.880 --> 00:47:59.960
found out that the starchild project on
second and third testing never found it

580
00:48:00.039 --> 00:48:07.920
again either. We answered that question
when the SIMS guys at the end of

581
00:48:07.960 --> 00:48:12.159
this looked at the older data and
said, well, he knew exactly what

582
00:48:12.239 --> 00:48:20.119
that was. It was debris from
dust and kind of that microscopic dust particles

583
00:48:20.119 --> 00:48:23.280
and things. Because we have to
remember that it's the skull is nine hundred

584
00:48:23.320 --> 00:48:30.159
years old, it's been varnished,
mounted, stored, traveled, I mean,

585
00:48:30.320 --> 00:48:34.519
everything that could happen to this little
skull has but the fact that the

586
00:48:34.519 --> 00:48:37.480
code of varnish would have soaked into
the pores, pushing a lot of that

587
00:48:37.599 --> 00:48:43.639
debris and dust particles in the skull. That's what they were picking up,

588
00:48:45.119 --> 00:48:52.920
you know. And of course the
DNA our DNA results matched everyone of the

589
00:48:52.039 --> 00:49:00.800
DNA samples that Lloyd had tested from
Trace Genetics, Bold Labs and Gary Nolan

590
00:49:00.840 --> 00:49:07.760
out of Stanford University. And of
course we used the biggest probably the above

591
00:49:07.840 --> 00:49:13.039
normal credentials nine hundred euros skull.
We needed a paleon o DNA lab,

592
00:49:13.079 --> 00:49:16.760
people that specialize in ancient remains,
not just any DNA lab, you know,

593
00:49:17.079 --> 00:49:23.119
like twenty one to meters right,
So you know, we waited and

594
00:49:23.519 --> 00:49:30.840
the tests were done by professional palaeono
DNA specialists and basically we got the same

595
00:49:30.920 --> 00:49:35.599
results. I was very proud of
the fact that for the first time a

596
00:49:35.719 --> 00:49:42.360
DNA sample that we had taken also
produced nuclear DNA. So now we had

597
00:49:42.400 --> 00:49:45.840
not only mitochondrial with the mother,
but we also had the father. And

598
00:49:46.119 --> 00:49:52.599
unfortunately it came out completely human,
which all the other DNA tests had done

599
00:49:52.639 --> 00:50:00.000
as well. There is one claim
that said that there was all these anomalies

600
00:50:00.199 --> 00:50:05.960
and you know that the star child
had DNA they couldn't identify, and unfortunately

601
00:50:06.119 --> 00:50:14.199
we couldn't. We could not use
that experts work one. His name wasn't

602
00:50:14.239 --> 00:50:19.880
on it too. They never produced
where these testing were done, what samples

603
00:50:19.880 --> 00:50:24.599
were taken, what was his process, And although I know behind the scenes

604
00:50:24.639 --> 00:50:30.679
exactly who this is, it wasn't
even a geneticist. He's a virologist that

605
00:50:30.719 --> 00:50:37.639
studies line disease. Oh yeah,
that's one unfortunate thing that happens in not

606
00:50:37.800 --> 00:50:42.440
just this field, that happens in
other areas. And you know, quite

607
00:50:42.480 --> 00:50:45.960
frankly, I mean experts should know
better. I mean we had this with

608
00:50:45.159 --> 00:50:51.599
roswell slides and other things that didn't
pan out. When experts who are experts

609
00:50:51.639 --> 00:50:59.960
in a certain field start to comment
or make a quote unquote expert opinions about

610
00:51:00.119 --> 00:51:05.320
films that they're not familiar with that
they're not experts in, and anybody should

611
00:51:05.320 --> 00:51:07.119
know, especially a doctor, you
don't do that. I mean, you

612
00:51:07.199 --> 00:51:14.480
don't make claims. You send people
to experts in those given fields instead of

613
00:51:14.639 --> 00:51:17.559
trying to, you know, purport
yourself as an expert in a film you're

614
00:51:17.559 --> 00:51:23.199
in, Harriet, you're not.
Yeah, you know. And the biggest

615
00:51:23.239 --> 00:51:30.199
thing at the end is we came
up with the scientific admissibility, which is

616
00:51:30.599 --> 00:51:37.760
it's done. And the reason it's
done is because all of the past testing

617
00:51:37.880 --> 00:51:43.679
done by the Star Child Project in
Lloyd Pye, a meant accredited people all

618
00:51:43.719 --> 00:51:49.960
came up with the same thing.
It's human And you know, so you

619
00:51:50.000 --> 00:51:54.599
know Carr, poor Melanie, you
know, she was really upset by this,

620
00:51:55.320 --> 00:52:02.039
but I think in our heart she
was just fulfilling a promise she made

621
00:52:02.039 --> 00:52:07.519
to Lloyd, which was she would
finish the work, and people came after

622
00:52:07.599 --> 00:52:12.760
her like you know, she's you
know, disrespecting Lloyd Pie and you know

623
00:52:12.840 --> 00:52:16.079
it was ugly. I mean,
people really went after her and the truth

624
00:52:16.599 --> 00:52:20.760
this was something he wanted her to
do, asked her to do this,

625
00:52:21.559 --> 00:52:28.119
And I honestly think if Lloyd had
the same access that we do today,

626
00:52:29.039 --> 00:52:34.119
and this is all very recent access
by the way, you know, he

627
00:52:34.840 --> 00:52:38.840
would have pursued the same path we
did. And but yeah, she took

628
00:52:38.840 --> 00:52:43.920
a lot of hits. The other
thing is, you know, you also

629
00:52:44.000 --> 00:52:47.840
have a couple of those believers.
Carrie and I were waiting for the blowback,

630
00:52:49.320 --> 00:52:52.920
and we really didn't get any.
We did not get a lot.

631
00:52:52.159 --> 00:52:55.800
We had two very negative comments and
both of them were from fake accounts.

632
00:52:57.320 --> 00:53:04.679
So we removed the comments because we
will keep anything coming at us, but

633
00:53:04.920 --> 00:53:07.639
put your name on it. We
put ours on you know, put your

634
00:53:07.719 --> 00:53:10.599
name on it. These anonymous trolls. I have no time for. Hence

635
00:53:10.639 --> 00:53:16.760
we wrote the report or wrote the
article fake news, trolls and truth seekers,

636
00:53:17.280 --> 00:53:21.519
so you know, explaining you know
that we're going to do that,

637
00:53:22.199 --> 00:53:25.239
but we have also put the challenge
out that we would love to be wrong.

638
00:53:25.440 --> 00:53:30.800
Come on right, Aleandro, we're
UFO investigators. We're looking for the

639
00:53:30.840 --> 00:53:35.800
metal. We want an alien.
We want to find this evidence. So

640
00:53:36.079 --> 00:53:42.159
for anybody to think that there wasn't
total disappointment when we got these results back,

641
00:53:42.920 --> 00:53:47.599
don't know us at all, or
how money and time and blood,

642
00:53:47.760 --> 00:53:52.880
sweat and tears people like you and
I have put into this field looking for

643
00:53:52.960 --> 00:53:57.039
this, or how much money we
personally invested in the star child. Of

644
00:53:57.239 --> 00:54:00.840
course we were looking for something else, but science didn't care what I wanted.

645
00:54:01.440 --> 00:54:05.719
Mm hmm. Now when you look
at the skull, it's weird looking.

646
00:54:06.599 --> 00:54:12.480
And what did you find out about
that odd sheape? Well, you

647
00:54:12.519 --> 00:54:16.159
know there's one it's not cradle boarded. And two we don't believe it's hydrocephalic,

648
00:54:16.280 --> 00:54:20.719
which is you know, part of
the explanation, but we did.

649
00:54:21.360 --> 00:54:24.920
Hydrocephalic is when you get an odd
shaped head, or the head is much

650
00:54:24.960 --> 00:54:30.440
bigger and bulbous because you get water
on the brain and it's where cerebrial fluids

651
00:54:30.519 --> 00:54:36.599
you know from this fine just accumulating
your brain and will make your head much

652
00:54:36.639 --> 00:54:42.880
bigger. And and you know,
every every expert even when we presented it,

653
00:54:43.039 --> 00:54:47.480
said immediately it's hydrocephalic, and we
had to study in and work with

654
00:54:47.559 --> 00:54:52.800
them and say, but go back
and you know, read the the fine

655
00:54:52.960 --> 00:54:58.639
print of other things that are associated
with hydrocephaly and that is not presented on

656
00:54:58.719 --> 00:55:02.480
the Star Child. And they actually, the scientists actually reconsidered and said,

657
00:55:02.480 --> 00:55:07.039
you know what, you're right,
there's other explanations. Unfortunately, we found

658
00:55:07.280 --> 00:55:15.400
two diseases that present the symptoms almost
exactly, you know, one for one,

659
00:55:15.519 --> 00:55:21.320
shallow eye sockets, lower ears.
Now we're not saying that the star

660
00:55:21.519 --> 00:55:28.760
Child had these diseases. We present
this information as alien is no longer the

661
00:55:28.800 --> 00:55:34.760
only explanation for these anomalies. So, you know, because of course,

662
00:55:34.800 --> 00:55:39.039
my job was to determine the origins
of the star child, is it human

663
00:55:39.159 --> 00:55:45.199
or alien or hybrid. My job
is not to determine the disease or is

664
00:55:45.199 --> 00:55:50.480
it down syndrome you know, which
also have like shallow eyes and you know,

665
00:55:50.599 --> 00:55:55.599
lower ears and kind of that rounder, thicker skull and you know,

666
00:55:57.519 --> 00:56:01.920
so that's basically where we went.
We put our findings out there and really

667
00:56:02.039 --> 00:56:09.639
have people have been very kind and
the accolades about sticking with that scientific method

668
00:56:09.679 --> 00:56:15.880
no matter what, because we would
not speculate because we know as investigators,

669
00:56:15.880 --> 00:56:22.159
Aleandro, we don't have the luxury
like a researcher to put in theory or

670
00:56:22.159 --> 00:56:27.320
to say, well, maybe it's
just from the future or science is exact.

671
00:56:27.679 --> 00:56:32.800
And that is why, unfortunately,
it's the only thing that's going to

672
00:56:32.960 --> 00:56:40.079
convince anybody that we have proof.
And if we don't stick with those that

673
00:56:40.199 --> 00:56:46.320
high bar and the protocols of evidence
as we know it, we're done.

674
00:56:46.360 --> 00:56:51.639
We're done from the beginning. We
have to do it this way. Well,

675
00:56:51.639 --> 00:56:54.519
you all did a great job,
and I think that's what people appreciate

676
00:56:54.639 --> 00:57:00.320
is an investigation. Some research on
this goed done properly. I mean you

677
00:57:00.360 --> 00:57:05.880
went to experts, You've got their
opinion and their information. You've got several

678
00:57:05.920 --> 00:57:08.079
experts so that you can, you
know, have more than one opinion.

679
00:57:08.639 --> 00:57:12.599
And and so you did a great
job, and you put together a great

680
00:57:14.039 --> 00:57:17.159
report on your work, and they
can people can find that at and we'll

681
00:57:17.159 --> 00:57:22.039
put a link in the notes for
the show, but it's the filled Reports

682
00:57:22.199 --> 00:57:29.480
dot com dot WordPress dot com.
Yes, so that's where people can get

683
00:57:29.480 --> 00:57:34.079
that report. Very well done.
You have a great abstract where people who

684
00:57:34.360 --> 00:57:39.400
like many people who have difficulty reading
our entire story they'll read a sentence or

685
00:57:39.400 --> 00:57:45.039
two and maybe hopefully a whole paragraph
and have patients to read the entire abstract.

686
00:57:45.079 --> 00:57:51.280
It's just a paragraph to get a
summary of the investigation. But yeah,

687
00:57:51.880 --> 00:57:54.480
job well done. And finally,
you know, people can stop wondering

688
00:57:54.760 --> 00:58:00.960
and know and move on and yeah, ye is going on. You nailed

689
00:58:01.000 --> 00:58:05.719
it, Aleandro, because there's so
many other claims I have, you know,

690
00:58:05.800 --> 00:58:07.320
people reaching out to me, I
have this other skull, or I

691
00:58:07.360 --> 00:58:12.480
found this and you know, I
think it's alien. Let's move on if

692
00:58:12.960 --> 00:58:17.360
this isn't the answer, you know
which, Carrie McClure, much to her

693
00:58:17.440 --> 00:58:22.679
credit, I have to give her
kudos for this because she found the origins,

694
00:58:23.239 --> 00:58:31.199
which is ridiculously almost impossible of a
Native American group, you know,

695
00:58:31.239 --> 00:58:36.239
of nine hundred years ago, and
that Native American tribe is no longer,

696
00:58:36.920 --> 00:58:42.760
you know, just there like the
Apache or Cherokee, they were assumed by

697
00:58:42.960 --> 00:58:46.239
the Maya. And it's just an
amazing account that, you know, she

698
00:58:46.400 --> 00:58:52.360
ended up finding this group in that
area that actually left petroglyphs in a cave,

699
00:58:52.440 --> 00:58:55.320
which is why we know about them. So you know, right now

700
00:58:55.440 --> 00:59:01.800
we're working with Mexico. It's actually
Ruben Yuriata is helping Melanie Young because our

701
00:59:01.800 --> 00:59:07.119
investigation's over. Of course, you
know we're involved, but you know,

702
00:59:07.199 --> 00:59:14.719
letting Melanie repatriate these remains to where
they need to be. And you know,

703
00:59:15.199 --> 00:59:20.320
big kudos to her because she went
through a lot in this discovery.

704
00:59:21.119 --> 00:59:27.519
You know, she felt gut punched
and you know, just really in tears

705
00:59:27.519 --> 00:59:30.360
over you know, some of the
things that we would find out or revelations

706
00:59:30.480 --> 00:59:38.519
or you know, just seeing the
skull sitting there being sampled again. It's

707
00:59:38.639 --> 00:59:44.800
just it needs to stop. This
poor little this poor little guy, and

708
00:59:44.840 --> 00:59:49.679
we know it's male Aleandre. You
look at this little skull and the I

709
00:59:49.719 --> 00:59:53.159
remember my feeling the first time she
pulled it out, and it was empathy.

710
00:59:53.679 --> 00:59:58.320
I felt sorry for him because you
know, he's been on display and

711
00:59:58.440 --> 01:00:01.440
transit it. It's time to let
them be. It's time to let this

712
01:00:01.480 --> 01:00:06.280
little boy be. I can just
imagine nine hundred years ago, with the

713
01:00:06.320 --> 01:00:10.199
oddities of what we know just in
his head. God forbid he had any

714
01:00:10.239 --> 01:00:16.239
other deformity or illness. Nine hundred
years ago. It's not accepted like they

715
01:00:16.280 --> 01:00:20.320
can't work, they're not productive.
You know, usually they're left in the

716
01:00:20.320 --> 01:00:24.519
woods. You know. And also
the female skull that was found with the

717
01:00:24.519 --> 01:00:30.000
star child that we know for a
fact is not related. The concussion fractures

718
01:00:30.360 --> 01:00:36.079
we found on her skull were so
numerous you couldn't count. You know,

719
01:00:36.639 --> 01:00:39.880
brutal life, brutal life. This
little this little guys to rest. I

720
01:00:39.920 --> 01:00:44.679
have goosebumps right now. I get
choked up because you know, this little

721
01:00:44.719 --> 01:00:50.360
guy's been through a lot. Well
and speaking of moving on, you have

722
01:00:50.840 --> 01:00:55.480
gone, you called though this isn't
all the skull research you've done. You've

723
01:00:55.519 --> 01:01:01.039
actually gone to Peru and done some
investigation of some of the elongated skulls.

724
01:01:01.079 --> 01:01:06.960
And I guess I don't want to
speak for you, but in a nutshell,

725
01:01:07.119 --> 01:01:09.760
you haven't found, you know,
any smoking gun of some sort of

726
01:01:09.840 --> 01:01:15.960
extra treasural relationship. But you have
found some interesting stuff. Am I am?

727
01:01:15.000 --> 01:01:20.159
I corrected and what I've in the
way I framed that just stuff.

728
01:01:21.119 --> 01:01:25.840
Yeah, actually it was perfect Aleandro. They have I work with Eli Marzouli.

729
01:01:27.000 --> 01:01:30.519
He is the lead of a team
that he puts together when uh,

730
01:01:30.599 --> 01:01:36.960
there are new samples or new opportunities
to take DNA. We've done almost three

731
01:01:37.039 --> 01:01:42.320
hundred samples of the team, you
know, and I and of course I

732
01:01:42.480 --> 01:01:45.119
take most of these samples. I
kind of have the stuff. I have

733
01:01:45.199 --> 01:01:47.880
a I kind of joke and say, I have a friend a kid that

734
01:01:47.880 --> 01:01:52.039
would make the Sheriff's department jealous,
and I know how to use it.

735
01:01:52.639 --> 01:01:58.639
And but we get down there and
yeah, a lot of DNA. We're

736
01:01:58.760 --> 01:02:05.480
learning a lot about the Parrakas skulls. Unfortunately, no nepheline. There's absolutely

737
01:02:05.519 --> 01:02:12.559
no alien that we found so far. However, we're finding out that they're

738
01:02:12.599 --> 01:02:15.840
come they come from the Middle East
and they're fair skinned and red hair.

739
01:02:16.159 --> 01:02:22.480
What in Peru at that time,
So a lot of the skulls you're examining

740
01:02:22.639 --> 01:02:25.880
are from the Middle East with red
hair and they're fair skinned people. And

741
01:02:27.239 --> 01:02:31.239
how did they determine that? From
the Haplo groups. It's now that we

742
01:02:31.280 --> 01:02:36.719
could get the Yeah, the DNA, it's how we found this star child

743
01:02:36.880 --> 01:02:40.079
was Native American. And of course
even though it was from Mexico, you

744
01:02:40.119 --> 01:02:44.440
know, back in those days,
there was no border, so it was

745
01:02:44.840 --> 01:02:47.079
you know, just considered uh,
Native American. And I have to tell

746
01:02:47.119 --> 01:02:53.400
you that sent us into an entirely
new direction. We were at stopped talking

747
01:02:53.440 --> 01:02:59.400
to the Bureau of Indian Affairs in
Washington, d C. I mean,

748
01:02:59.440 --> 01:03:04.320
there was a lot of legal stuff
because you're not to own, transport,

749
01:03:04.360 --> 01:03:13.760
display, or profit from human remains, especially remains. So the elongated skulls,

750
01:03:13.800 --> 01:03:17.760
you know, are really providing a
lot of information about not only migration,

751
01:03:19.559 --> 01:03:25.119
but it's almost confirming we're almost there, you know, a biblical levant,

752
01:03:25.559 --> 01:03:30.639
you know, when you know seventy
tribes went out and you know,

753
01:03:30.679 --> 01:03:32.920
this is all before they should have
had the proper you know, boats and

754
01:03:32.960 --> 01:03:38.679
ships, and it's just remarkable.
But that's all led by La Marzouli.

755
01:03:39.599 --> 01:03:45.679
I'm just I'm just I call myself
the token eufologist and you know, and

756
01:03:46.079 --> 01:03:51.000
you know the forensic person that you
know takes the samples and you know,

757
01:03:51.119 --> 01:03:57.239
sets everything up and takes care of
the chain of custody because that is just

758
01:03:57.280 --> 01:04:02.039
as important, if not more important, than the sample. So with that

759
01:04:04.039 --> 01:04:13.920
is at a new discovery. I
mean, were archaeologists aware that of this

760
01:04:14.440 --> 01:04:19.119
background of these skulls prior to the
work that you all did. No,

761
01:04:19.559 --> 01:04:28.000
this was something that was unprecedented and
it did come from LA's work, and

762
01:04:28.559 --> 01:04:35.480
it led to a year later,
the Ministry of Culture in Peru invited La

763
01:04:35.719 --> 01:04:44.159
back with his team myself included with
Mondo Gonzales, and we were invited to

764
01:04:44.239 --> 01:04:51.119
actually visit their museum, and their
museum curators picked out I think it was

765
01:04:51.599 --> 01:04:57.400
thirteen of their most anomalous skulls that
have never been out in public, and

766
01:04:57.519 --> 01:05:02.960
let us do DNA on all thirteen
them. Wow. And right there was

767
01:05:03.000 --> 01:05:06.280
a moment when I stood there and
I'm thinking, wait a minute, how

768
01:05:06.960 --> 01:05:14.639
how did a UFO investigator get here
where I'm standing with, you know,

769
01:05:14.760 --> 01:05:21.800
the president of the Ministry of Culture
and at their request doing their DNA And

770
01:05:21.840 --> 01:05:28.239
it's because they don't have the proper
equipment unfortunately. You know, we're standing

771
01:05:28.239 --> 01:05:32.079
there wearing clean suits and sterile gloves
and you know, just all the wrap

772
01:05:32.199 --> 01:05:38.159
and they kept taking pictures and other
museum personnel where you know, driving in

773
01:05:38.199 --> 01:05:44.000
throughout the day the photograph and they
kept smiling CSI, CSI, you know,

774
01:05:44.480 --> 01:05:46.639
because we had a full clean room
set up and you know, they

775
01:05:46.760 --> 01:05:51.599
they've never seen anything like that in
person. Wow, that's pretty cool.

776
01:05:51.719 --> 01:05:55.639
So and that answers the question because
I think a lot of people would be

777
01:05:55.679 --> 01:05:59.920
like, well, why haven't they
done this work before? But and that's

778
01:06:00.039 --> 01:06:03.280
the issue in a lot of their
world countries or in the Middle East where

779
01:06:03.880 --> 01:06:10.960
there are areas that are rich,
and South America especially they're rich in history,

780
01:06:11.119 --> 01:06:15.320
and of course it's all sitting there
for anybody to go investigate, but

781
01:06:16.599 --> 01:06:20.760
politics and so many other things get
in the way that it just doesn't make

782
01:06:20.800 --> 01:06:28.760
it possible. Right, It is
difficult working in Peru. We've gone to

783
01:06:29.440 --> 01:06:33.280
the necropolis in Changos. That's where
we get most of the elongated skulls that

784
01:06:33.480 --> 01:06:38.119
you know, we're examining, you
know, straight out of the dirt.

785
01:06:39.719 --> 01:06:45.119
We're not opening graves, we're literally
finding them on top of the soil or

786
01:06:45.320 --> 01:06:51.840
the desert sand because the wakios or
grave robbers, they're just looking for the

787
01:06:53.000 --> 01:06:58.000
jewels and the pottery and the Inca
treasures, and the remains are just kind

788
01:06:58.039 --> 01:07:01.559
of thrown up, you know,
all over the place. But most of

789
01:07:01.559 --> 01:07:08.480
the parts of Peru you get out
of Lima and Perakas and even you know

790
01:07:08.639 --> 01:07:14.559
Nasca area and and Coustco, when
you come away from them, ninety nine

791
01:07:14.639 --> 01:07:19.079
percent of the area they're still trading, you know, lamas and machetes.

792
01:07:19.960 --> 01:07:26.400
They have no idea what a cell
phone looks like. They're very curious about

793
01:07:26.400 --> 01:07:30.440
what we're doing. There. In
fact, I was standing on a step

794
01:07:30.519 --> 01:07:34.480
pyramid with the mayor of Changos,
you know, who's telling me about this

795
01:07:34.679 --> 01:07:39.880
ufo that you know, right in
back of the desert. You saw this

796
01:07:40.000 --> 01:07:45.440
green area and they have a lot
of cattle in his village, and that's

797
01:07:45.480 --> 01:07:47.719
why they there was a big lake
there and all the cattle would come and

798
01:07:47.920 --> 01:07:53.719
drink from this this lake, and
this UFO kept coming and it took all

799
01:07:53.719 --> 01:07:59.400
their water. And he's upset.
So after the interpreter, because my my

800
01:07:59.599 --> 01:08:04.039
Spanish was as good as his English, after the interpreter kind of fills me

801
01:08:04.079 --> 01:08:06.320
in. I'm like, oh,
do you want me to go take you

802
01:08:06.360 --> 01:08:11.639
know, samples of the dry lake
bed, thinking maybe you know, trace

803
01:08:11.679 --> 01:08:15.039
evidence. And he looked at me
and he's like, no, I want

804
01:08:15.079 --> 01:08:19.720
you to get the water back.
And it hit me there are some cultures

805
01:08:20.600 --> 01:08:26.920
they don't need a DNA sample to
tell them what's going on. He's telling

806
01:08:26.920 --> 01:08:31.920
me a ufo that everybody in his
village knows about would visit and took their

807
01:08:31.960 --> 01:08:38.840
water. He was hoping in his
you know, lack of understanding of what

808
01:08:38.960 --> 01:08:42.560
I did as an investigator was more
like, well, can you make sure

809
01:08:42.800 --> 01:08:45.840
we want our water? Back.
When I told him what it was,

810
01:08:45.920 --> 01:08:48.479
I really did. He kind of
looked at me and wondered why I was

811
01:08:48.520 --> 01:08:55.159
in Peru looking for UFOs, because
don't they have them in America. So

812
01:08:55.680 --> 01:08:59.840
it was a big wake up call
to you know, to realize that you

813
01:09:00.039 --> 01:09:05.520
UFOs in some cultures, it's just
part, it's part of their belief system.

814
01:09:05.840 --> 01:09:10.159
You know, they don't they don't
need our fancy science. They've seen

815
01:09:10.199 --> 01:09:13.880
them, you know, they know
of them, they've seen the beings,

816
01:09:13.920 --> 01:09:16.680
and you know they don't need us, which I thought was cool. Mm

817
01:09:16.760 --> 01:09:21.159
hmm. Yeah, that is fascinating
and it's fascinating. And we know this

818
01:09:21.279 --> 01:09:27.600
about South America talking with some of
the groups down there, how they have

819
01:09:27.800 --> 01:09:32.680
such a different perspective. And there's
a there's a woman she writes about negative

820
01:09:32.680 --> 01:09:39.439
Americans, and she's gone down to
Mexico and spoken with Native Americans down there,

821
01:09:39.840 --> 01:09:43.600
and they have a similar kind of
more open perspective, which is just

822
01:09:44.239 --> 01:09:46.840
so foreign to us here because of
course, you and I and others always

823
01:09:46.880 --> 01:09:53.199
have to fight for credibility and to
be taken seriously right right and I I

824
01:09:53.920 --> 01:09:57.159
were you talking about Artie six Killer? Yes, exactly. I couldn't take

825
01:09:57.199 --> 01:10:00.439
of her name for us. Yeah, she is amazing. She's done some

826
01:10:00.520 --> 01:10:05.479
great work getting a lot of that
oral testimony. And you know, it's

827
01:10:05.520 --> 01:10:11.159
funny when we're down there, Aleandro, because a lot of times, especially

828
01:10:11.319 --> 01:10:16.000
in the Bolivia area around Puma,
Pucku and Tijuanku, they use the word

829
01:10:16.039 --> 01:10:23.159
watchers. They don't call them aliens. Clearly they're using the word watchers.

830
01:10:23.760 --> 01:10:30.239
So whether it's a biblical narrative or
you know, coming from a different solar

831
01:10:30.279 --> 01:10:32.520
system or galaxy and they're getting here
on that full tank of gas and a

832
01:10:32.560 --> 01:10:39.079
red bull, it doesn't make a
difference. They know that there's intelligent other

833
01:10:39.239 --> 01:10:43.720
beings out there. They don't care
exactly who they are, you know,

834
01:10:43.840 --> 01:10:51.479
they believe that where they're from,
that humanity is from this whole big scope

835
01:10:51.479 --> 01:10:58.239
that we're just trying to get our
finger into. And well, and watchers

836
01:10:58.279 --> 01:11:00.359
is a really good term, I
would think, I mean, and that

837
01:11:00.640 --> 01:11:04.600
if of course we're being visited by
some third party, that's what it am

838
01:11:04.640 --> 01:11:10.479
pairs they're doing, is watching,
because it's at least not overtly interacting with

839
01:11:10.600 --> 01:11:15.720
us apparently at this point, yeah, exactly. And when we heard the

840
01:11:15.840 --> 01:11:19.079
term watchers, of course, I'm
with La and you know, he's very

841
01:11:19.680 --> 01:11:25.920
big and his work has to do
with a biblical prophecy angle, you know,

842
01:11:26.000 --> 01:11:29.159
so he immediately jumped to the watchers
of the Bible, you know,

843
01:11:29.199 --> 01:11:33.000
the fallen angels, and you know, we had to stop him and we

844
01:11:33.079 --> 01:11:38.159
had to say, wait a minute, let's make sure that's you know,

845
01:11:38.279 --> 01:11:42.319
what they mean when they're using that
term. And it came out that exactly

846
01:11:42.359 --> 01:11:46.560
as you just pointed out, not
necessarily, not necessarily they were talking about,

847
01:11:46.600 --> 01:11:50.880
you know, those who just keep
an eye out there. Mm hmm.

848
01:11:51.640 --> 01:11:57.239
So now that we're getting towards the
end to wrap up, I want

849
01:11:57.319 --> 01:12:00.039
to kind of change the change the
subject. But thank you for sharing all

850
01:12:00.079 --> 01:12:03.039
of this. This it's super fast, fascinating, and like I said,

851
01:12:03.359 --> 01:12:06.680
I knew the time went by,
and it certainly has. But you know,

852
01:12:08.640 --> 01:12:13.439
I've just kind of thought about something
while we were talking here. There's

853
01:12:13.520 --> 01:12:21.000
a lot of sort of cynicism among
UFO researchers these days, and I do

854
01:12:21.319 --> 01:12:28.640
understand it. I completely understand it. However, do you share that How

855
01:12:28.680 --> 01:12:33.439
do you feel about the future of
this topic. I think it's I think

856
01:12:33.439 --> 01:12:40.359
it's bright, I think it's open. I think we are we are responsible

857
01:12:40.399 --> 01:12:45.680
for the future. And as long
as we maintain our pace and that integrity

858
01:12:46.279 --> 01:12:53.800
and we're treating our witnesses correctly and
treating each other with respect. We don't

859
01:12:53.800 --> 01:12:58.479
have to be Facebook friends, we
don't have to be you know, BFFs,

860
01:12:58.520 --> 01:13:01.239
having you know, Friday night together
or at girls' time or whatever,

861
01:13:01.600 --> 01:13:08.000
you know, but the respect and
it's okay to have educated debate. It

862
01:13:08.119 --> 01:13:13.000
is okay to have difference of opinion. But I kind of find that we

863
01:13:13.119 --> 01:13:18.520
have a lot of people coming in
and they're already slinging barbs, and I

864
01:13:18.920 --> 01:13:23.680
guess, I guess. I don't
want to sound mean, but I almost

865
01:13:23.720 --> 01:13:28.840
don't have time for it because I'm
busy. I'm too busy, and I've

866
01:13:28.880 --> 01:13:30.720
been busy for twenty something, you
know, twenty plus years, almost twenty

867
01:13:30.760 --> 01:13:34.439
four years, and don't care if
the grass is green. Are on the

868
01:13:34.439 --> 01:13:36.920
other side, I'm too busy to
notice. I don't even know if there

869
01:13:36.960 --> 01:13:43.560
is grass on the other side.
But I think there's you know, there's

870
01:13:43.840 --> 01:13:47.600
this need for people to forget that
you can do this on your own.

871
01:13:47.840 --> 01:13:51.560
Ninety percent of everything I've done or
that you've done, a Leandro is basically

872
01:13:51.600 --> 01:13:55.520
we're on our own out here.
We have a team, we have other

873
01:13:55.600 --> 01:14:01.000
people, but our work has to
compliment and be part of the puzzle.

874
01:14:01.680 --> 01:14:05.840
And I kind of feel like these
people feel like they're here, and a

875
01:14:05.920 --> 01:14:11.039
year later, if they're not speaking
at conferences or on television, you know

876
01:14:11.279 --> 01:14:15.159
they're being shut out or I can't
even put my finger on it. I'll

877
01:14:15.159 --> 01:14:18.399
be honest. Everyone knows I'm old
and grumpy. I call them the Kardashians.

878
01:14:18.640 --> 01:14:23.039
I want to be famous for nothing. And the truth is in this

879
01:14:23.119 --> 01:14:27.520
field, if you're going to survive
work, treat each other with respect.

880
01:14:28.039 --> 01:14:31.520
Because I understand and also hear all
the drama. You know, we have

881
01:14:31.840 --> 01:14:39.640
people here that have public opinion or
like they have a personal side to them

882
01:14:40.000 --> 01:14:45.159
that none of us would ever accept
in our home or tolerate hanging with this

883
01:14:45.199 --> 01:14:48.960
person and they belong to you know, move on or something like this,

884
01:14:49.159 --> 01:14:54.039
and you know, you know we're
going to take our hits. We're going

885
01:14:54.119 --> 01:14:58.680
to take a lot of hits,
and we've had a couple tough years.

886
01:14:59.640 --> 01:15:03.359
But what I saw Aleandro for those
of us with the passion that we don't

887
01:15:03.399 --> 01:15:08.199
care about the accolades. We're not
looking for, you know, a pat

888
01:15:08.239 --> 01:15:12.000
in the back. I'm not looking
to make money. Shoots. If anyone

889
01:15:12.039 --> 01:15:15.640
had any idea how much we spent
on the Star Child Skull or or the

890
01:15:15.760 --> 01:15:19.199
Arkansas Crystal Mind, or how much
money you know, came out of my

891
01:15:19.279 --> 01:15:27.960
pocket, they would think we were
nuts nuts And but you know, I'm

892
01:15:28.800 --> 01:15:34.159
I just think our future and being
around everyone. Turning this full circle at

893
01:15:34.239 --> 01:15:40.960
Roswell. You know, I don't
always agree with Linda's theories and some of

894
01:15:40.960 --> 01:15:45.159
the things that she says, and
but I love her and respect her so

895
01:15:45.319 --> 01:15:49.119
much because this woman was fighting for
everything she's got. You know, she

896
01:15:49.239 --> 01:15:55.159
started back in the sixties where women
weren't even allowed in a newsroom. You

897
01:15:55.159 --> 01:15:59.359
know, you have to you have
to show respect for you know, where

898
01:15:59.399 --> 01:16:02.359
these people come from. Nick Pope. I love this guy. Mark the

899
01:16:02.439 --> 01:16:09.960
Antonio and I go back and forth. We debate passionately sometimes, but we're

900
01:16:10.000 --> 01:16:14.760
colleagues and we're friends, and you
know, as long as we maintain these

901
01:16:14.880 --> 01:16:21.119
really good relationships and understand that it's
not all about a reality show calling everybody

902
01:16:21.159 --> 01:16:27.199
out on Facebook and pointing fingers and
you know, calling for this and calling

903
01:16:27.279 --> 01:16:30.399
for that. I think if you
want to be here, find something to

904
01:16:30.439 --> 01:16:33.920
do. I agree with you one
hundred percent. And that's a great way

905
01:16:33.960 --> 01:16:36.640
to put it, because, yeah, a lot of the people who are

906
01:16:36.640 --> 01:16:41.479
cynical are not the people who are
just getting out there and doing it.

907
01:16:41.560 --> 01:16:45.600
And I think that if you're depressed
about this field or about you know,

908
01:16:45.800 --> 01:16:48.600
the future of it, you know
what, you just got to do what

909
01:16:48.680 --> 01:16:53.840
you said, go out and do
something, because you obviously have work to

910
01:16:53.920 --> 01:16:57.600
do. I feel like there's an
abundance of work to do in an abundance

911
01:16:57.600 --> 01:17:01.479
of areas to research and investigate.
Some of them may be fruitful, of

912
01:17:01.520 --> 01:17:05.920
course, often they turn out to
be something mundane or not as mysterious as

913
01:17:06.319 --> 01:17:12.319
we had suspected, or maybe even
hope, but there's plenty and plenty to

914
01:17:12.399 --> 01:17:15.720
do, and there's more discoveries to
be found. And yeah, so I

915
01:17:16.079 --> 01:17:19.079
don't have it as a cynical of
you as those others. And I think

916
01:17:19.079 --> 01:17:23.399
you're right that if they're cynical,
just go do some work, because then

917
01:17:23.840 --> 01:17:28.840
you're gonna make some discoveries that'll help
motivate you and you'll be able to share

918
01:17:28.880 --> 01:17:34.000
your discoveries, like you said,
with our colleagues and discuss and that keeps

919
01:17:34.039 --> 01:17:41.520
us all motivated and going. Yeah, and if you're too busy complaining constantly

920
01:17:41.840 --> 01:17:45.560
and not finding the work, leave
leave. Don't let the door hit your

921
01:17:45.640 --> 01:17:49.039
ass on the way out. Can
I say that I'm sorry? But I

922
01:17:49.640 --> 01:17:54.880
get very passionate about the people that
just do nothing, you know, like

923
01:17:54.960 --> 01:17:58.239
Philip Class and you know, think
back on some of the people that did

924
01:17:58.359 --> 01:18:01.760
nothing but complain and ripe and moan
and oh my god. And you know,

925
01:18:02.239 --> 01:18:06.039
I like skeptics. They keep me
honest. But you know, I

926
01:18:06.039 --> 01:18:11.920
don't like the people that constantly feel
like in their you know, eighteen months

927
01:18:11.920 --> 01:18:16.239
of experience, they're going to tell
us what's going on out here, you

928
01:18:16.279 --> 01:18:19.880
know, like with each other.
It's just annoying. It's annoying, and

929
01:18:20.079 --> 01:18:24.079
you know, I don't have time
for it, which of course makes me

930
01:18:24.159 --> 01:18:29.640
look like I may be elitist or
uninterested in meeting new people. I'm just

931
01:18:29.720 --> 01:18:34.600
busy and I have no time for
the drama. And those of us that

932
01:18:34.680 --> 01:18:39.319
really enjoy each other, none of
us do. Aleandro, you don't have

933
01:18:39.359 --> 01:18:43.800
the time, Linda doesn't. Linda's
not even on Facebook. Well I guess

934
01:18:43.840 --> 01:18:45.600
she is now, but someone else
does it. How smart is that?

935
01:18:47.920 --> 01:18:53.159
But no, I think our future
is dead on. In fact, I

936
01:18:53.319 --> 01:18:59.520
believe that it is going to be
one of us that pushes not disclosure confirmation.

937
01:19:00.399 --> 01:19:03.079
I believe science is going to do
it. But I believe we are

938
01:19:03.159 --> 01:19:06.800
so close, Aleandro, I mean
we really are. It's we're making a

939
01:19:08.000 --> 01:19:12.520
big headway. Our days of sniff
and dirt are over. We're talking with

940
01:19:13.000 --> 01:19:20.159
you know, legitimate state of the
art DNA labs, you know, observatories,

941
01:19:20.840 --> 01:19:26.520
every scientific community that once locked us
out. Our doors are wide open

942
01:19:26.600 --> 01:19:33.760
right now. Everyone's talking about UFOs, the Vatican, our institutions, universities,

943
01:19:34.119 --> 01:19:39.439
television, you name it. Everyone's
talking and they're looking. We have

944
01:19:39.800 --> 01:19:43.800
what seventy year heads start catch up
people, What do you need to know?

945
01:19:44.319 --> 01:19:48.239
We'll let you, We'll fill you
in. Well, we are out

946
01:19:48.279 --> 01:19:53.479
of time, and such a great
note to end on. Thank you so

947
01:19:53.680 --> 01:19:58.880
much. I mean, I think
that my listeners will agree your work is

948
01:19:59.079 --> 01:20:02.640
really important and you've done a lot
of important stuff, and I just can't

949
01:20:02.680 --> 01:20:05.680
say how great of a job I
think that you guys did on the Star

950
01:20:05.800 --> 01:20:09.159
Child thing. Of course, yeah, it would have been nice if it

951
01:20:09.199 --> 01:20:15.079
would have turned out to be something
mysterious, But it's almost more important to

952
01:20:15.199 --> 01:20:18.800
me that there are people doing what
you all did and showing that you can

953
01:20:18.920 --> 01:20:25.199
do proper investigation and how effective it
can be to do the job right.

954
01:20:25.399 --> 01:20:29.720
If you all did so, job
well done, and thank you so much

955
01:20:29.760 --> 01:20:32.840
for the work that you do.
Thanks Aleandro, it means so much coming

956
01:20:32.840 --> 01:20:39.359
from you, honestly, Well that
is it. Thanks for coming on again.

957
01:20:39.640 --> 01:20:42.720
So it was a lot of fun. And I guess when one I

958
01:20:42.760 --> 01:20:48.239
see you next, well, Vegas. Yes it will be Vegas, because

959
01:20:48.640 --> 01:20:53.439
it turns out for reasons we don't
have to get into. But I have

960
01:20:53.560 --> 01:20:57.359
discussed how it was gonna skip out
this conference. Not a big on the

961
01:20:57.439 --> 01:21:00.560
content so much, but actually,
you know, we do do a trade

962
01:21:00.560 --> 01:21:06.000
with MUFON, and I've always said
there's I'm never jumping move On people of

963
01:21:06.079 --> 01:21:12.560
that move On, But I just
don't think that that's There are so many

964
01:21:12.600 --> 01:21:15.720
great people working at move On and
everybody's heart is in the right place regardless

965
01:21:15.720 --> 01:21:20.479
of if we disagree on certain things. But they have a presence at Yoho

966
01:21:20.600 --> 01:21:24.800
Congress, which I love. I
love having them there, and move On

967
01:21:24.880 --> 01:21:29.760
is an extremely important organization, the
most important organization in this field. And

968
01:21:30.199 --> 01:21:33.039
of course I'm a big supporter and
lots of friends out there, so we

969
01:21:33.119 --> 01:21:38.319
will be out there to help promote
the Congress and open minds. So yeah,

970
01:21:38.399 --> 01:21:44.520
so myself and my lovely girlfriend Karen
will be out there. So if

971
01:21:44.560 --> 01:21:46.159
you're going to be there, come
say hi at our table and you'll be

972
01:21:46.199 --> 01:21:51.960
able to see Chase too. Yeah. I'll be running around definitely, and

973
01:21:53.239 --> 01:21:57.359
I cannot wait to see you guys
again. So I'm really happy that you're

974
01:21:57.399 --> 01:22:00.119
coming, and that's what we need
to do. You you don't agree with

975
01:22:00.159 --> 01:22:04.880
it, and you're you're coming anyway? Why because it's the right thing to

976
01:22:04.920 --> 01:22:10.760
do. There is benefit. We
stand together as a field. We stand

977
01:22:10.800 --> 01:22:15.800
together, Let the date, let
the debate begin when we get there,

978
01:22:15.000 --> 01:22:20.239
right well, and you know,
uh, the leadership there who I have

979
01:22:20.399 --> 01:22:26.560
voiced you know, uh, my
opinions to uh you know, like you

980
01:22:26.720 --> 01:22:30.239
mentioned earlier, it's important to have
those working relationships where we can talk to

981
01:22:30.319 --> 01:22:35.600
each other about what we disagree about. But it doesn't mean, you know,

982
01:22:36.079 --> 01:22:39.640
everything has to end. It just
means that, you know, we

983
01:22:39.760 --> 01:22:46.439
discussed and hopefully move to uh hopefully
we all learn together. How far do

984
01:22:46.479 --> 01:22:50.159
you go if it's my way or
I don't work with you anymore? Let's

985
01:22:50.199 --> 01:22:54.760
see how long that lasts? Right? Well? Yeah, I mean,

986
01:22:54.800 --> 01:23:00.760
it's an individual thing for people to
decide, but right that there are just

987
01:23:00.800 --> 01:23:03.720
a lot of wonderful people to move
on, and you know they're all doing

988
01:23:03.760 --> 01:23:08.279
their best. That's that's the whole
key, is everybody's doing their best and

989
01:23:08.319 --> 01:23:11.520
trying to do what they think is
right. Well, you brought ally on

990
01:23:11.600 --> 01:23:15.840
growth. Thanks so much, Thank
you so much for being on, and

991
01:23:16.039 --> 01:23:19.479
I guess we'll talk to you next
time. Sounds great. Thanks so what

992
01:23:19.880 --> 01:23:24.880
yep? Thank you? Oh sorry, one more thing. Websites that people

993
01:23:24.880 --> 01:23:27.920
should go to you to look at
your stuff besides to move on dot com

994
01:23:27.960 --> 01:23:32.920
and the the Field Reports dot com
webs that you mentioned earlier. It's Chase

995
01:23:32.960 --> 01:23:39.800
Klutsky dot com. Very easy,
and you'll have a link because my last

996
01:23:39.880 --> 01:23:43.880
name is ridiculous to spell, almost
to figure out. So yeah, just

997
01:23:44.079 --> 01:23:45.920
just hit me up, guys,
and you know, I'm really here for

998
01:23:45.960 --> 01:23:50.399
the people that are out there most
important for our witnesses. So if you

999
01:23:50.439 --> 01:23:55.239
have something call me all right,
great, thank you so much. Thank

1000
01:23:55.279 --> 01:24:00.079
you so much to Chase for joining
us on the show. Be sure to

1001
01:24:00.159 --> 01:24:02.880
check out that report. Of course, I've talked about it so much because

1002
01:24:02.880 --> 01:24:06.840
it is so important, So check
out that report that's really I mean,

1003
01:24:06.880 --> 01:24:15.880
I just think it's a great example
of the way an investigation should be done.

1004
01:24:15.159 --> 01:24:17.359
And you know, that's one of
the things, of course, that

1005
01:24:18.000 --> 01:24:21.359
gets me excited, and that's one
of the things we try to highlight and

1006
01:24:21.680 --> 01:24:26.279
why we talk to so many of
these different people that we do on this

1007
01:24:26.399 --> 01:24:30.039
show, because there are people who
are doing really careful and thorough examination and

1008
01:24:30.079 --> 01:24:33.560
that's the hard part, you know, I think that's the most important part.

1009
01:24:33.800 --> 01:24:38.119
It's very easy to speculate. It's
very easy to say, oh,

1010
01:24:38.239 --> 01:24:41.800
you know, this must be aliens, that must be aliens. But it's

1011
01:24:41.880 --> 01:24:45.279
harder to go down and dig.
And I think a lot of times people

1012
01:24:45.640 --> 01:24:48.159
don't want to know, you know, they don't want their bubble to be

1013
01:24:48.159 --> 01:24:53.560
burst. They don't want to know
if something is not alien or something.

1014
01:24:53.680 --> 01:24:57.560
So it's unfortunate that that happens,
but that's the way it is. But

1015
01:24:57.640 --> 01:25:00.960
we all have to be honest with
ourselves and doing good destigation and try to

1016
01:25:00.960 --> 01:25:03.439
figure out the root of what something
is. Because what's left over is a

1017
01:25:03.479 --> 01:25:08.199
real mystery and they're in my mind
and I think in yours, and that's

1018
01:25:08.199 --> 01:25:11.399
why you listen, there is a
mystery here and you know what, a

1019
01:25:11.439 --> 01:25:15.680
lot of the skeptics that we hear
out there also get so passionate about this

1020
01:25:15.760 --> 01:25:21.479
field because they feel that there's a
true mystery here. So that's really exciting,

1021
01:25:21.800 --> 01:25:27.720
and I think at Chase for her
work, and it's gonna be great

1022
01:25:27.720 --> 01:25:30.920
to see her this weekend. Of
course, I did talk about how I

1023
01:25:30.000 --> 01:25:33.760
wasn't going to go to the move
On symposium just because the topics not really

1024
01:25:33.880 --> 01:25:40.159
I don't think that's careful research.
I think it's speculation and it's it's making

1025
01:25:40.279 --> 01:25:45.359
extraordinary claims. And I really agree
with Carl Sagan when he says extraordinary claims

1026
01:25:45.399 --> 01:25:50.720
require extraordinary evidence, and unfortunately,
simply anecdotal evidence from a couple of people

1027
01:25:50.800 --> 01:25:55.199
is not enough, especially when people
are saying like they see Obama on Mars

1028
01:25:55.439 --> 01:25:59.439
and some of these other kind of
really out there type of things. So

1029
01:25:59.840 --> 01:26:01.279
that's why I wasn't going to go
to the symposium. I'm not really as

1030
01:26:01.319 --> 01:26:06.439
into that speculation and kind of loose
way out there kind of claims that that

1031
01:26:06.520 --> 01:26:12.039
aren't supported, and frankly, I
don't think are that credible. However,

1032
01:26:12.319 --> 01:26:15.359
there are a lot of great speakers
out there, and move On as an

1033
01:26:15.520 --> 01:26:18.479
organization is a great, great thing. All of these people, even if

1034
01:26:18.520 --> 01:26:24.399
I don't see Idi and who is
speaking at the symposium or kind of what

1035
01:26:24.479 --> 01:26:28.520
the topic is at the symposium,
all of the people who put the symposium

1036
01:26:28.520 --> 01:26:30.960
together and run move on have their
hearts in the right place, and they're

1037
01:26:31.000 --> 01:26:34.079
just like the rest of us,
trying to find answers and trying to figure

1038
01:26:34.079 --> 01:26:38.840
out what's going on in this field. And not only that, most likely

1039
01:26:39.039 --> 01:26:42.439
some of you are going to the
conference, and this is an opportunity for

1040
01:26:42.520 --> 01:26:45.279
us to see you. It's an
opportunity for us to tell people about our

1041
01:26:45.319 --> 01:26:51.520
conference and this podcast and our website
that might otherwise know about it. So

1042
01:26:51.840 --> 01:26:55.880
we'll be out there in Vegas this
weekend. We'll have a table, So

1043
01:26:56.039 --> 01:27:00.520
come say hi. If you liftsen
to the podcast. If Martin or I

1044
01:27:00.640 --> 01:27:04.600
have offended you or your country and
anyway, be sure to let me know

1045
01:27:04.800 --> 01:27:10.880
so we can publicly apologize here on
the show next week. Because I'm sure

1046
01:27:10.920 --> 01:27:16.199
we offended somebody out there and what
we were talking about earlier, So if

1047
01:27:16.239 --> 01:27:19.279
we did, I apologize, and
you know, come to the table and

1048
01:27:19.319 --> 01:27:26.079
tell me about it, and I
will clarify that I didn't mean to be

1049
01:27:26.600 --> 01:27:30.079
such a jerk if I was,
and so I could apologize to you for

1050
01:27:30.199 --> 01:27:36.159
that and then commit to apologizing here
on the show as well. But thank

1051
01:27:36.159 --> 01:27:41.279
you so much to Chase. Chase
is super awesome. Chase spoke last year

1052
01:27:41.319 --> 01:27:45.560
at our or no, two years
ago at our conference. She may or

1053
01:27:45.640 --> 01:27:47.600
may not be speaking at the conference
this year. We haven't figured that out.

1054
01:27:47.760 --> 01:27:50.720
But she will be helping. So
she'll be a volunteer and she'll be

1055
01:27:50.760 --> 01:27:56.720
helping out in the back. We're
gonna have her carry heavy boxes and probably

1056
01:27:56.800 --> 01:28:01.680
do lots of the heavy work because
she's a tough little mama. But she'll

1057
01:28:01.720 --> 01:28:05.239
be around so you'll be able to
see her and ask her questions. And

1058
01:28:05.279 --> 01:28:09.840
I hope that from here on out
she'll be coming and helping out with the

1059
01:28:09.880 --> 01:28:13.920
conference because we have wonderful volunteers,
and you know, we have a lot

1060
01:28:13.920 --> 01:28:17.199
of people who are there every year. Stanton and Kathleen are there every year,

1061
01:28:17.479 --> 01:28:21.840
San Friedman and Kathleen Martin, and
then Travis Walton is there every year.

1062
01:28:23.159 --> 01:28:26.279
And we do have ooh, this
is a little bit of a sneak

1063
01:28:26.319 --> 01:28:30.159
preview for the conference. We do
have a line and we'll probably have something

1064
01:28:30.640 --> 01:28:36.479
really special regarding a Travis Walton event
at our conference. Some people might be

1065
01:28:36.520 --> 01:28:40.800
thinking, although we haven't heard this
feedback, so I shouldn't be saying that,

1066
01:28:40.840 --> 01:28:45.920
because people are usually really excited when
we have something regarding Travis Walton at

1067
01:28:45.920 --> 01:28:51.560
our conference. But we will be
having something special regarding Travis, you know,

1068
01:28:51.680 --> 01:28:56.960
and I know we try not to
have the same speakers every year,

1069
01:28:57.279 --> 01:29:01.920
and we typically don't. It's rare
that we'll have one speaker over and over

1070
01:29:01.960 --> 01:29:05.159
again, but with Travis, we've
had him quite a bit, but usually

1071
01:29:05.199 --> 01:29:11.800
it's not him alone. We add
something special we've had at our conferences witnesses

1072
01:29:11.880 --> 01:29:15.159
related to Travis with the Travis Walton
case that no one else has ever had

1073
01:29:15.319 --> 01:29:18.880
or that you won't see anywhere else, and we want to continue that because

1074
01:29:18.920 --> 01:29:23.399
we are so close to Travis,
and we've done so much with this case,

1075
01:29:23.439 --> 01:29:27.319
and we have been able to speak
to witnesses and people no one else

1076
01:29:27.359 --> 01:29:30.880
has ever been able to speak to
before, and of course we want them

1077
01:29:30.920 --> 01:29:35.159
to share their experiences with you all
so you can hear from them because it's

1078
01:29:35.199 --> 01:29:41.760
an amazing event. So we will
have something special around that, I believe

1079
01:29:41.800 --> 01:29:45.159
at our conference this year. We'll
be opening up registration in the next couple

1080
01:29:45.239 --> 01:29:48.840
weeks, and have some more information
about the speakers at our conference in the

1081
01:29:48.880 --> 01:29:55.720
next couple of weeks as well.
So stay tuned to that exciting, exciting

1082
01:29:56.560 --> 01:29:59.800
stuff. So, and if you
don't know, I'm sure because you listen

1083
01:29:59.880 --> 01:30:02.000
to the show, you know you
know who Travis Walton is. But if

1084
01:30:02.000 --> 01:30:04.359
you've heard of the movie Fire in
the Sky, just in case you're a

1085
01:30:04.439 --> 01:30:08.920
new listener you're not aware, I
like to be sure to make get everybody

1086
01:30:09.039 --> 01:30:12.079
informed. If you've seen the movie
Fire in the Sky. It was based

1087
01:30:12.119 --> 01:30:16.680
off of the Travis Walton experience,
this event that he experienced along with several

1088
01:30:16.840 --> 01:30:25.199
of his fellow loggers in Arizona in
the seventies. And this is something that's

1089
01:30:25.279 --> 01:30:28.479
kind of crazy because they all saw
this craft, you know, in the

1090
01:30:28.560 --> 01:30:32.159
forest. It beamed Travis. He
flew many feet, they freaked out and

1091
01:30:32.199 --> 01:30:35.479
ran away. They came back,
Travis was gone. He came back five

1092
01:30:35.560 --> 01:30:41.439
days later, and he had these
incredible memories and stuff. So it's a

1093
01:30:41.560 --> 01:30:44.319
crazy story. And the more I
look at it and the more I get

1094
01:30:44.359 --> 01:30:49.560
involved, I personally have not seen
any holes in it or any you know,

1095
01:30:50.760 --> 01:30:57.039
evidence of deception. And I've been
pretty close. I've talked to,

1096
01:30:57.439 --> 01:31:02.520
you know, probably more witnesses than
almost anybody has, quite frankly, because

1097
01:31:02.520 --> 01:31:08.000
I'm so close to Travis and have
been so involved with this and putting these

1098
01:31:08.079 --> 01:31:11.840
different things together. So there's only
a handful of us that I think I've

1099
01:31:11.840 --> 01:31:14.520
talked to so many. In fact, one or two witness is, including

1100
01:31:14.560 --> 01:31:17.760
the one we want to get at
the stage, practically nobody's talked to before.

1101
01:31:18.359 --> 01:31:24.319
So really exciting stuff. It's going
to be a great conference. Again,

1102
01:31:25.560 --> 01:31:28.279
one of those reasons it'll be great, it's because Chase will be there.

1103
01:31:28.319 --> 01:31:31.359
So thank you again so much to
Chase for being on the show.

1104
01:31:31.920 --> 01:31:34.680
I want to thank a couple other
people. I do want to thank Race

1105
01:31:34.720 --> 01:31:41.560
Hobbs from KGr A. He was
one of the sponsors at the Roswell event

1106
01:31:41.640 --> 01:31:44.279
and that was a lot of fun. And in fact, we're looking at

1107
01:31:44.520 --> 01:31:48.560
doing a partnership where you know,
KGRA will be hosting our show, which

1108
01:31:48.560 --> 01:31:53.399
will be a lot of fun.
It's a great network and they do some

1109
01:31:53.439 --> 01:31:57.159
really cool stuff there, so it'll
be great to be part of the kg

1110
01:31:57.560 --> 01:32:01.279
r A family. But you will
still be able to get me all of

1111
01:32:01.279 --> 01:32:04.920
the ways you currently get me,
so don't worry, podcasters, you won't

1112
01:32:04.920 --> 01:32:10.319
have to do anything different and you'll
continue to get the show. You'll continue

1113
01:32:10.319 --> 01:32:14.720
to have it show up in your
podcast lists and everything, so no worries.

1114
01:32:15.319 --> 01:32:18.920
It'll just be more people that it'll
be available to, essentially, and

1115
01:32:19.039 --> 01:32:23.720
you know, partnership with some great
people, so that's exciting. I want

1116
01:32:23.760 --> 01:32:27.640
to think Caleb Hanks, who does
the opening and close music. Of course,

1117
01:32:27.680 --> 01:32:30.079
I want to thank Martin willis all
the way out there in Russia,

1118
01:32:30.439 --> 01:32:35.359
and isn't it amazing how clear he
sounds. I mean, he sounds like

1119
01:32:35.479 --> 01:32:40.600
he's here in the States as usual, but he's all the way halfway around

1120
01:32:40.600 --> 01:32:44.680
the world and it's like he's here
in the room talking to us. That

1121
01:32:44.840 --> 01:32:48.880
is so much fun. It's just
amazing the technology and how this all works.

1122
01:32:48.640 --> 01:32:53.479
It's incredible that we can do that. So thank you to Martin once

1123
01:32:53.520 --> 01:32:57.520
again, and thank you for that
wonderful singing. Who knew huh that was

1124
01:32:57.960 --> 01:33:00.560
some good singing, I thought,
so thank you. Thank you to Martin

1125
01:33:00.600 --> 01:33:05.319
for being on the show wed again
from podcast UFO to share some UFO news

1126
01:33:05.319 --> 01:33:11.199
and to talk about some UFO news. And finally, you know who I

1127
01:33:11.239 --> 01:33:15.159
want to think now don't you.
I can see a couple of you blushing

1128
01:33:15.319 --> 01:33:17.399
out there, getting a little shy. Don't be shy, little buddy.

1129
01:33:17.680 --> 01:33:23.800
I want to thank you because you
are awesome. You come and listen to

1130
01:33:23.840 --> 01:33:28.960
this show, and I cannot thank
you enough for doing just that. And

1131
01:33:29.279 --> 01:33:31.239
do please come and say hello if
you're going to be at the mouf On

1132
01:33:31.319 --> 01:33:36.439
Symposium, so I can thank you
in person, because I like to do

1133
01:33:36.479 --> 01:33:40.319
that and thank you for those who
do that. And I usually don't have

1134
01:33:40.319 --> 01:33:43.840
a listen Well that's not true.
I don't often have a lot of time

1135
01:33:43.880 --> 01:33:45.199
where it's just like, oh,
great, thanks for listening to show.

1136
01:33:45.239 --> 01:33:47.319
It's so nice to meet you,
and I'll try to make some time.

1137
01:33:47.600 --> 01:33:50.880
But sometimes, you know, we
get have some long conversations and really get

1138
01:33:50.920 --> 01:33:56.159
to know each other, which is
a lot of fun because you know,

1139
01:33:56.800 --> 01:34:00.199
it's just guys. Uh. And
I don't mean to be elitist or make

1140
01:34:00.279 --> 01:34:04.279
you feel elitist, but the people
who listen to the show are just some

1141
01:34:04.399 --> 01:34:09.359
of the most incredible people I've met
there. Highly attractive, I think I've

1142
01:34:09.359 --> 01:34:15.079
said this before, highly intelligent,
They just have a swagger. You know.

1143
01:34:15.600 --> 01:34:19.760
They are the bad mofos of the
world that listen to this podcast,

1144
01:34:19.840 --> 01:34:25.520
and so I don't mean to make
a sound elitist, but it's just,

1145
01:34:25.680 --> 01:34:28.760
you know, we can take pride
in just what a cool bunch of people

1146
01:34:28.800 --> 01:34:33.479
you are. You're cool dudes.
Anyway, thank you so much for listening.

1147
01:34:33.600 --> 01:34:35.720
Even though I'll be at move On, I'm gonna do my best and

1148
01:34:35.720 --> 01:34:39.399
I think I will be able to
do an interview and still have a show

1149
01:34:39.479 --> 01:34:43.840
on Monday. That is my goal
and I do not see that being an

1150
01:34:43.960 --> 01:34:47.399
issue. It should happen. So
I will talk to you next week people.

1151
01:34:48.000 --> 01:35:45.840
Until then, audios mood doutles the
motion