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Well whiskey coming pain with pain?
Does my brain? Oh whiskey, don't

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let me? From Powerline blog dot
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this is the three Whiskey Happy Hour
with your bartenders Steve Hayward, John You,

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and power Lines international Woman of Mystery
Lucretia's gotta give me and let that

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whis People where you're feeling lost,
down and low, well coming same Welcome

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everybody to the three Whiskey Happy Hour. This is a very special international edition

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of the Three Whiskey Happy Hour because
I am in the usual place h some

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some place where international women of mystery
hang out, and John is in an

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undisclosed bunker on the East coast.
But Steve, where are you? Steve,

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I'm in Budapest where it's four forty
five in the morning because I gage

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maul jet lagged. Okay, Well, it's nice to have you. If

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he sounds dumb, it's mostly because
he's in Budapest without good, good equipment.

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John, on the other hand,
has great equipment where he is I'm

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trying to think, called a Lavalier
microphone. So people write in and tell

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us whether we should switch from our
nineteen thirties looking radio style microphones and switch

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to the nineteen seventies style technology.
But more important, more important is this.

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I feel lonely because this is the
first time in like three weeks that

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we haven't been together because we co
taught a class at Berkeley this last week

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which was wonderful on constitutional interpretation,
me, Steve and Lucretia and then twelve

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unfortunate students who had to sit between
us as we wailed on each other.

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And we did. Actually it was
fun. I mean it was great.

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Actually, I hope the students liked
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a student. Well, you're gonna
be getting the evaluations back. I will

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one of the future episodes, we'll
do a dramatic reading of some of the

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some of the evaluation comments. Sometimes
the students can be quite funny. I

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think, you know, this is
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not just crushed under the demands of
the law. Oh boy, that's gonna

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be fun. There was an interesting
mix of students in there too. Let's

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just leave it at that. But
I think it's fair to say that of

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the personas we're playing in class,
I was the reasonable, pragmatic, moderate,

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and Lucretia was well and Steve was
the offender of natural rights, and

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Lucretia was the first mega constitutional interpretationalist
known in the academy. But the surprising

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thing was how often I got the
very very left wing transgender etcetera, etcetera,

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young whatever days to actually take my
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actually, I think that there was
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right end of the circle met because
your desire to burn the house down was

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met by an equal desire on the
left to burn the house down. Yep.

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But they were smart students. You
got to give them credit. They

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knew a lot of stuff, and
they did the research. You know.

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They usually legal scholarship is very narrow
compared to it. They had an answer

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for objections, let's put it that
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history and so on too. I
was impressed when ild have mentioned we

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also had in the class Judge Janis
Rogers Brown, Yes, a friend of

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all of ours, who's was a
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on the US Court Appeals for the
DC Circuit, commonly called the second most

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important court in the country. And
then she fully retired rather than taking a

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kind of emeritus judge status, because
so she could be free to speak her

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mind. You know, John wasn't
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night when we were out with the
judge, and I looked across the table

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at her and I said, I
am so disappointed in you, and she's

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I said, why did you retire? She has to be the soundest person

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in the country. I think she
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And she she just she wouldn't go
farther, Yes she would. My

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sense of it is she is a
great believer in economic rights as part of

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our package of natural rights. And
I don't think any any judge and the

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out of courts would go as far
as she would to revive, you know,

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the right to contract, the right
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a living, and so on.
Right. She also evinced quite a very

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negative opinion of progressivism and it's woeful, baneful effects on our constitutional system,

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which you don't often see that coming
out of I mean, I'm a little

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bit surprised actually when I hear it
out of you. Not nothing. What

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I mean by that is it's not
a legal thing. Most of the time,

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it's usually much more a Claire Monster
thing and whatnot. So this is

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one thing that became very interesting in
class. And I hope we're not boring

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any listeners here. But when you
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read about the progressive era. It's
a complete change in our way of thinking,

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but it doesn't get expressed in legal
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this is the progressive legal doctrine.
And even though it is, yeah,

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even though it is so the progressive, your shifts, you know what

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it's like. It's like the Stevia
like this. It's like the like side

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By when they tell something's there because
the black hole exerts gravitational force on something.

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You can't see the black hole.
You see the other things change their

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orbits. And that's kind of like
progressivism. It's never written, as in

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the Supreme Court cases progresses of a
progressivism requires us to do this. What

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you do is you see doctrines and
things change and you don't know why they

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change. And it's only because of
teaching this class you really get this sense

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that we're not really we can't fully
teach constitutional law without taking into account these

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changes the way people think that don't
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cases. Well, you know,
I remember Robert Borke used to say that

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for the left, the Constitution really
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the fourteenth Amendment. That's the whole
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sense that's often correct. It is
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way. I mean, one of
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who defended positivism, is that he
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with Bentham, which is really kind
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But for the American liberal, all
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protection clause and begins with Brown versus
Board of Education that Obama. Well,

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well, okay, at my point, precisely right. So uh it's it

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is unusual, Sorry, not unusual. I'm still trying to wake up here

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and figure out where the hell I
am. You're you're far more articulate now

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than you were in class, So
credit yourself. Harsh. The modern left

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ignores its own patrimony, That's what
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turns out the conservatives, what's that, wouldn't you if you had that kind

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of patrimony. Well, that's not
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trying to think of the guy at
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I'm blanking on his name, but
he said only conservatives read Herbert Crowley and

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Carlo Wellen and Roscoe Pound and all
those old political leaguer thinkers of one hundred

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years ago, or Carl Becker in
the case of Lucretian. I are sort

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of all over that guy. And
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imparted to us have just simply taken
her place. With the furnishings of the

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liberal mind. They don't even need
to bother with figuring out where they came

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from, how they got moved into
their apartment of the mind. Although you

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guys couldn't see the faces of our
very liberal students who were sitting across from

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me when I was trying to remember
the name of Margaret, Margaret Sanger,

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and you know caught that reference though
that well, they made a horrible part

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of her. Remember what I called
her, You know, that abortion chick.

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You didn't say that in class.
I hear I heard abortion. I

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didn't hear you say abortion chick.
Actually, I don't want to read the

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evaluations. Now. They don't know
you invited me, John, they don't

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know that this was just some one
of these protesters who found their way into

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the classroom. And I'm gonna jump
ahead, so we're not going to talk

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about it yet. But I do
want to tell you that I'm I was

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sitting in a stupid meeting board to
death, and so I surreptitious legal on

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Twitter X formerly known as Twitter on
my phone, and the thing that pops

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up is somebody talking about John Eastman
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John, you is the greatest constitutional
scholar since John Eastman. And he's

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hasty, I know, and he's
well. Anyway, it was a link

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on Twitter to your testimony, which
we're going to talk about at the end.

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But anyway, there was I sent
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didn't even look at it, John, But there was just a whole bunch

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of really positive tweets or ex's what
are they called now if it's not Twitter

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anymore anyway, tweets on x files
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about how great you were. John. I'm surprised to hear that. I

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actually, when I did, it
had very little sense anybody's watching because it's

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just done on zoom. Well,
somebody put it out there in a certain

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you know what would you call it
a group on Twitter and it got a

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ton of attention. So anyway,
oh John, I think there's you know

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about knowing you Sorry, yeah there
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hearings when they first started, what
three weeks ago, four weeks ago before

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the recess, and what understood was
that they were getting thousands of people tuning

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in to watch this. It is
amazing. Now, guess what the zoom

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link. I don't know what the
what they do, but it's not available

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here in Hungary. I can't.
I try to tune in yesterday and I

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got a little, you know,
a little screen popped up and said not

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available in Hungry. Sorry. So
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But there is a reporter covering it
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want to say, Rachel Alexander.
I can't. That's who did the Twitter

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feed. Yeah, okay, and
and she's I don't know who. She

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writes reading in good Taste, no
doubt. Yeah, there you go.

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She's very sympathetic to John Eastman,
and uh, you know, I'm not

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surprised that she would write that.
So but she's she's you're reporting what the

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witnesses are saying, and it's been
interesting stuff. That's for the end.

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So keep it sorry now, Steve, because first we're going to talk to

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John about impeachment because as everybody knows, uh, Matt gets what would it

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be, what's the right word?
Tricked forced McCarthy, right, Kevin McCarthy

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into going ahead and calling for a
congressional impeachment inquiry into Hunter Biden and any

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possible corruption that ties him to the
president. And so John was telling me

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that he has a really interesting argument, legal argument being made by the left

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about why it is what impeachments tell
us. Here's the argument, and in

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fact, very cleverly, the left
is trotting out a Justice Department opinion issued

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by the Trump administration to attack the
validity of the first impeachment and it goes

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like this. You may or may
not remember this, but back when the

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House began the first impeachment investigation over
Ukraine with President Trump, it started out

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without any vote of the House.
Nancy Pelosi just said, I am declaring

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the investigation started, and I ordered
the committees to begin the investigation. Apparently,

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the Trump Justice Department decided that this
was unconstitutional because it doesn't say in

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the Constitution the Speaker of the House
gets to write conduct impeachment. It says

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the House conducts impeachment. And so
according to this opinion that was released by

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the Trump Justice Apartment at the very
end. Actually this did not become public

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until January of twenty twenty one,
when the Office of Legal Counsel, where

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I worked, pushes all the opinions
out the door before the changeover. They

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issued an opinion saying that is not
actually a constitutional way to start an impeachment,

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and so nobody has to obey any
subpoenas or any demands for information issued

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by those committees until there's a majority
vote in the House that says we're starting

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ampeaching investigation. And so, actually, because of the were criticisms by the

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administration and by outsiders back then,
the House did eventually a few weeks later

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vote to start an impeaching investigation.
So now they're saying it's usually one side.

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Biden supporters are saying, well,
we're going to obey the Trump administration,

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and we're not going to comply with
any of these subpoenas or demands for

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information from the impeachment. On the
other hand, Senator mc McCarty said,

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well, and Nancy Pelosi set a
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I'm just doing what she did.
That's the dispute in a nutshell. Do

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you think there are the votes?
I'm sorry, you're just gonna say,

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do you think they are the Republican
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thing that they mostly all agree on, other than some people are saying it's

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a distraction from the economy the budget. But so here's the problem where you

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know, the Republicans have a bare
majority five six votes in the House.

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Do you think that they'll vote as
a group to launch the impeachment investigation?

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The Washington Post stories about this,
in the New York Times, Post stories,

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New York Times stories. I know
you can see Lucretia's temperatures already starting

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to rise. They report that McCarthy's
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whether there are enough votes, because
he's there's five or six people know they

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don't even want to vote because they're
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I don't know what you guys think. Your turn, Steve, I

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think, well, I'm shaking my
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Republicans who this ought to be an
easy vote to start an impeachment inquiry,

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right. I mean, that's just
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Uh. And and I can't believe
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even want to authorize an inquiry and
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think they shouldn't believe. First of
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commentators saying, oh, this is
going to backfire on Republicans, you know

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what they're trying to do here.
They're trying to work a Jedi mind trick

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to scare them and say, oh, look, it didn't work for you

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with Clinton back in nineteen nineteen ninety
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correct. I think it would have
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they hadn't done it. I mean, it was a big train wreck and

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all the rest of that. But
I think, Steve say, isn't the

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most important, more important question,
how many Democrats lost their seats because of

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the two Trump impeachments. Much are
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know. I never chased after the
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right, point taking no that you
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that might have been a factor in
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a surprise in twenty twenty. I'm
not sure I never chased after that,

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but I do think, Look,
there's the path of duty here, right,

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there's so much you talk about whether
smoke there's going to be fire.

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I would I would match Lucretia's level
of disgust for House Republicans if they shrink

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from casting a vote for an impeachment
inquiry. Well, you know, if

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if they cast a vote for the
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slightly unpopular, they could always go
on, let's see what the hooks it

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called chaster bait and get paid to
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This is a family show, Lucretia, Oh god, you do you

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know to that which I referred on, I don't. I don't even want

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to guess I can't. I mean, I'm not I am not trying to

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be Scott in any way sort of
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There is a woman running for a
competitive seat New York, Steve. It's

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it's just a Virginia state legislator.
It's a Virginia state legislature, which of

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course is is pretty evenly divided,
and it could spell the difference between Republican

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versus Democratic control of that House,
the Burgesses, whatever it is. I

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can't be that much attention. And
so so she and her husband, she's

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a nurse practitioner and mother of two
children. She and her husband are on

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this website called Swear to God chasterbait
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but anyway, it's kind of like
only fans something like that, but

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you get paid whatever, and they're
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the picture I keep seeing, uh, anyway, on this And so somebody

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found out about it and you know, kind of made a big deal and

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you know, put it out on
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she's suing them under remind me,
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that no under the Computer Fraud and
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have violated her privacy by Yeah,
it's just mift microsoft. John, you're

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muted. You couldn't hear me laughing. Yeah, you're afraid you're going to

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get some sound effects. Where are
you looking up the story? John?

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Right? So so really quick lasting
about that? Uh, Molly's husb.

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Mark Hemingway had an article today and
the caption was something like, well,

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I suppose it was only a matter
of time before the politicians whoring stopped being

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figurative and became literal. But yeah, she's trying. She's trying to say

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that the fault is that of those
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pretty funny, Yeah, John,
John's just he's going to find I'm trying

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to find this online, but it's
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Washington Post. John, you have
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Okay, enough of that. Sorry. I do, however, want to

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ask you guys what you think about
the point Dexter White House spokes nerd Ian

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Sam, Oh my god, did
you see a picture of that guy?

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Honest to god, he must have
gotten his lunch money stole every single day

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of his life, even yesterday.
He is the nerdiest little anyway. Sorry,

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I'm that's something there. Someone gave
me a great line about the youngsters

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who seemed to work in the Biden
White House. They said, don't they

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all still look like they're using their
parents credit cards? That's sure, doesn't

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it? Yes, And it brings
me back to those those mistakes that we

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keep seeing the Biden White House making. Like I know, I use this

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example before, but it just tops
right up again when you look at this

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guy. I mean, he's just
the worst nerdy looking little I mean looks

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like he's about five foot one.
He's young, but already completely bald with

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you know, little anyway. It's
no wonder he didn't know anything about the

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fact that the Georgia Bulldogs won their
first national championship or thought it was important

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because he's probably never even heard of
football. He probably spent his whole life

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playing. Look at that guy.
Come on, oh my god, we're

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showing a picture listeners, and I'll
try and remember to put it in the

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show notes. Oh my god,
and that's his official picture. He will

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he looked like that on purpose.
That's lukkism, isn't it. I know,

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I can engage in lukism. Let
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said it's time for the media to
do more to scrutinize House Republicans demonstrably false

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claims that they're basing impeachment stunts on
describing impeachment. This is great as grave,

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rare and historic. I think that
one through he urges outlets to avoid

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reporting on the process and instead focus
on the substance of the allegations. Covering

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impeachment as a process. Republicans say
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is a disservice to the American public
who relies on the independent press to hold

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those in power accountable. How can
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like that. It just makes me, you know, I'm going to go

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punch that guy in the face and
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I just I have to Okay,
yeah, well, look, the

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real the real I think the real
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White House now assume that they the
media is so far in the bag for

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them that they can just give them
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sure that, I mean, I'm
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I mean, we should be glad
that they're being so open about the fact

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that the media is considered their de
facto. Well, what's Glenn reynolds line

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that the major media today are Democrats
with bylines and this is confirmation of that.

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Would you be offended, John,
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media and he said this to you, Well, this isn't The weird thing

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is to me that that complaint is
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what else they're supposed to do?
You know this this actually ties in with

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some other topic we're going to talk
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the White House and social media platforms
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Have to you read that, You're
used to think of what what else

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could the media do to help the
side? I know, I know,

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Well, in the months of not
talking about Hunter waited do you have to

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ask you guys about this when the
Hunter indictment. So before you go we

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get to the Hunter indictment on weapons
charges, I want to ask you if

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you heard that Hunters suing Oh gosh, I'm gonna forget his name. Some

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Trump aid that now has a blog
post or something and has been talking about

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or publishing things from the Hunter laptop, and he's suing him that he's you

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know, invaded his privacy another Computer
Fraud and Abuse Act or something. But

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I thought Hunter said it wasn't his
laptop well, and that he you know,

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that he didn't remember take that,
that he didn't recall taking it to

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the guy you you know, to
work on it. How does he get

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away with just I mean, do
people just consider he's like his father and

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he can lie anytime he feels like
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Why I didn't get I don't get
it. Did he learned from the master

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apparently? Okay? That I hadn't
heard that he'd done that recently. I

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thought he did it a while ago. No, he did it yesterday,

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yesterday, about two or three months
ago. The guy I wish I could

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remember saying I should look up,
was you know, given notice to preserve

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all of his records, and you
know that's the thing that they do when

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they're getting ready to sue you.
And then he I guess he got and

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he also is was on I think
Twitter saying if any of Biden's process servers

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show up at my house to try
to serve me with with any papers,

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I will shoot there ecking heads off, and probably not wise. But anyway,

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well, well, I mean,
there is one storyline here work following

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as this all goes forward, I
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written about this, and that is
that the Biden legal team, people like

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Bob Bauer, who's you know,
an old legendary war horse in Washington politics,

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they've been apparently crafting one strategy that
Hunter Biden and his own personal attorneys

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out in California disagree with I think
Bauer and the other folks around, and

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they want to play an inside game
the way Washington people would and Hunter Biden's

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own lawyers, and first they hire
that Abbey Lowell guy, who's also been

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around these games for a long time. They want to play hardball. They

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want to attack the critics of They
want to do what Clinton did in the

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nineteen nineties, which is attack Ken
Starr and all the people who are out

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to prosecute Clinton. So my guess
is there's a lot of tension, a

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lot of friction between the Hunter Biden
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White House. And we'll see where
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But I suspect it's it. I
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them. What do you think,
John, You know me, I'm that

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infernal optimist, as you always say. Well, I think there's this interesting

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I don't know if anyone's commented on
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between the Hunter Biden prosecution and the
impeachment investigation. And I think you saw

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just a little bit of it with
the busted plea deal that you would have

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given away the store to Hunter,
and that is the better deal the Hunter

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gets. You know, the more
the lighter that the Justice Department treats him,

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the better the case for impeachment is
going to be right. So the

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more that Hunter gets special treatment,
the more he gets these weird plea deals,

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the more it looks like obstruction of
justice but within the Justice Department,

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And then the more grounds that you're
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with Comber's investigation, to start issuing
a blitter blizard or subpoenas, start digging

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into how the Justice Department's actually working, how the White House and the Just

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Department are communicating. I don't think
people have realized that. So in I

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think in a weird way now the
Justice Apartment has a really strong incentive to

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come down hard on Hunter, you
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we see that just today there was
the indictment of which brings me though to

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my next question for you charge for
the fire for the weapons charge. So

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I just want to say, let
me where's my hat? Guys? You

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know, I thought you loved me. But anyway, without my conspiracy hat,

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I will still pose this question to
you, knowing that there have now

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been two separate cases where I believe
it's federal district judges have overturned convictions of

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felons for possessing weapons, saying it
violates their Second Amendment right? Is this

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uh too clever? By half charging
charging Hunter with weapons violations and not charging

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him with either tax evasion or fair
of violations, which of course are actually

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in many ways much more serious.
Uh, this is either enough to sort

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of throw a little red meat to
oh, look, we're really charging him

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with something, and be knowing that
at the very least it's likely to be

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overturned because he's not actually not a
convicted felon. I mean he he's he's

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in less violation than a than a
convicted felon. One of the felons who

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got that that weapons charge overturned because
of his Second Amendment rights actually had used

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a gun in the commission of a
crime, and you know, had done

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his time and whatnot. So is
this is this just a faint to keep

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us all thinking, Oh, well, maybe wis isn't the corrupt inside stooge

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that we all think he is because
he indicted Hunter on something. I mean,

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I think Hunter should go to jail, just like Paul Manafort. That's

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a good point. I apreciate everyone
should realize that the firearms charge has nothing

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to do at all with the where
the real public interest here here is is

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to figure out was Hunter getting bribed
by foreign governments? Was Hunter bringing in

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the vice president or this future president
or even the sitting president into this kind

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of this corruption? Was their conspiracy
to avoid federal law? What did they

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do in exchange for the money?
That's all still yet to come. So

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the only amendment I would make tear
your point, Lucretia, is that,

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yes, the firearms is a distraction, but just putting that out there doesn't

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relieve the pressure. I think on
fully investigating all those other claims, and

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like I said, the less that
they do, the more grounds that the

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House has to push forward on a
serious impeachment investigation. So where's the pressure

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coming from, John, people like
you with the tinfoil has Actually I think

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I'm just kidding. No, No, I think the pressure is coming from

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Comber and it's coming from these committees
and their investigations, and they're putting out

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such incredible facts that it's hard for
even the Justice Department prosecutors to ignore,

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which mark this point insure. But
I think that kind of pressure led to

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the appointment of a special counsel.
For example, mark this point in history

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that calling John Wright, or at
least prescient, because it was you.

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You will all remember that was John
who said the only the only thing.

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Steve would said, No, the
media is going to pick this up and

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it will matter. I said,
no, they're not. John said,

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no, they're not. But if
Congress does, congressional investigations will be the

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only the only way we will make
any progress in finding out whether or not

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the Biden crime family is corrupt as
we think it is. Right, do

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you remember that, Joan? No, but it sounds good, So I

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must have said it. I'm giving
you credit and you don't even you don't

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even remember. Oh my god,
looking, but it sounds so good.

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It must it must have been to
me. Yeah, well, look,

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I mean, what's gonna happen is
Hunter is going to get a plea deal,

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but not quickly. I suspected we'll
try and drag out getting he's not

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good. I mean, I think
he's going to get a plea deal,

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but they probably don't want a plea
deal until after the election next year.

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So I looked for lots of continuances
on this guncase, and like you say,

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that is the deflection from the real
heart of the matter, which is

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the the Biden money money money laundering
syndicate. The other thing is that whatever

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happens with this, if the Congressional
Committee still keep hammering on what did Hunter

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get, where do you put the
money? Follow the money trail, you

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know, always follow the money?
What did you do to the money?

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All that's going to come out before
the election, right, that's not that

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can't be put off because that's up
to Congress to control, and they can

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keep pushing forward on it. And
that's all going to come out between now

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and the election. So a little
tangent here. Miranda Divine in the New

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York Post this morning had a piece
and she was talking about one hundred indictment

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and all those other things, and
you know, the whole ludicrous argument that

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there's no evidence, and she demunks
that completely. But then she moves on

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and it's very interesting. She says, you know, foreign foreign, foreigners

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people. There are a lot of
people that say that Biden is actually quite

407
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lucid and capable of carrying on intelligent
conversations, that he doesn't he gets out

408
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of the public limelight and he doesn't
shuffle like an old man. And she

409
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goes on with just a few anecdotal
things like that here and there, and

410
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she says, I wonder if this
is the bathrobe defense. And I'm not

411
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familiar with the case John, but
she talks about Vinnie the Chin who was

412
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a some some big mafio so whose
entire defense was was walking around somewhere Brooklyn

413
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or something in his bathrobe, muttering
acting like he was, you know,

414
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completely demented. Uh. And she
she ends it by saying, so maybe

415
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when when the gig with the Biden
crying families finally up, he will plead

416
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dementia, and all of the people
prosecuting him and persecuting him will be made

417
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to look, you know, like
horrible people, and uh, leave the

418
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old man alone. No joke.
This is why she ended it was hilarious.

419
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But I mean, what do you
think, Yeah, yeah, I

420
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remember that now when you describe the
facts, I do remember that case.

421
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It didn't work. I mean it
was you know that. You know that

422
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that sounds like one of those things
they tried and the sopranos or something,

423
00:34:01.039 --> 00:34:06.000
But yeah, that, I mean, right, you know, the insanity

424
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defense is usually, you know,
a little more than showing that you're a

425
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little confused like an old guy from
you know now, And then I mean

426
00:34:13.920 --> 00:34:17.400
you have to you know, you
have to be you know, diagnosed by

427
00:34:17.440 --> 00:34:22.639
basically by a psychiatrist, right that
you actually are you know, not,

428
00:34:22.800 --> 00:34:25.159
although I think she was making it's
not going to work. A second point.

429
00:34:25.199 --> 00:34:29.719
She was making the political argument more
than she was making the legal argument,

430
00:34:29.760 --> 00:34:35.320
which is that if he's a daughtering
old fool suffering from dementia, leave

431
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the old man alone. You know, how how mean are you that you

432
00:34:38.159 --> 00:34:43.000
would pick on an old man with
dementia? You know, kindly interesting thing?

433
00:34:43.039 --> 00:34:47.440
It's kind of like my point about
how the d J investigation Hunters adversely

434
00:34:47.480 --> 00:34:51.960
related to an impeachment. You could
do that, but then doesn't that kill

435
00:34:52.000 --> 00:34:54.079
you in the general election to be
saying, Oh, I'm so out of

436
00:34:54.119 --> 00:34:58.559
it, I don't know what Hunter
was doing and I have no idea why

437
00:34:58.559 --> 00:35:00.719
who was talking to on the smart
on the speaker phone. Isn't that going

438
00:35:00.800 --> 00:35:06.360
to make him look even more incompetent
for her? Now? Yeah? No,

439
00:35:06.480 --> 00:35:08.639
Look, Biden does not have the
discipline to carry off that kind of

440
00:35:08.639 --> 00:35:13.079
deliberate strategy. Uh, you know, it's true that you know, we

441
00:35:13.079 --> 00:35:16.000
can remember that Reagan used to when
he walked back from the helicopter to the

442
00:35:16.039 --> 00:35:21.679
White House and Sam Donaldson, the
human foghorn, would be yelling questions at

443
00:35:21.719 --> 00:35:22.920
him, and Reagan would point to
his ear where he had a hearing it

444
00:35:23.000 --> 00:35:25.119
because he did have a hearing problem
in one ear, and say, oh,

445
00:35:25.239 --> 00:35:28.719
I can't hear you, right,
And he'd smile and wave and walk

446
00:35:28.800 --> 00:35:31.480
on in. But on the other
hand, Reagan was still doing press conferences,

447
00:35:31.519 --> 00:35:35.840
he was still having journalists in the
Oval office to interview him all the

448
00:35:35.880 --> 00:35:39.960
way through his second term, when
he was getting getting a lot older and

449
00:35:40.159 --> 00:35:45.599
Biden is really getting quite conspicuous.
He can't even give a speech or much

450
00:35:45.639 --> 00:35:49.920
of one. Uh. These press
availabilities are scripted with the questions put in

451
00:35:49.960 --> 00:35:52.320
ahead of time. And we saw
the other day they cut him off when

452
00:35:52.360 --> 00:35:55.280
he was straying off the SPIP and
he's not going to sit down here.

453
00:35:57.079 --> 00:36:00.559
But I needn't have right, he
can't pull that off. But the other

454
00:36:00.639 --> 00:36:06.519
case, there's the mafioso you mentioned
walked around a bathroom. I'm not sure

455
00:36:06.559 --> 00:36:08.599
I remember this clearly, but I
think one of the problems getting John Gotti

456
00:36:08.840 --> 00:36:13.519
years ago was he didn't have any
money himself. He only had like,

457
00:36:13.559 --> 00:36:15.960
you know, five thousand dollars in
the bank. He never none of the

458
00:36:15.000 --> 00:36:19.599
money ever flowed directly to him in
an accountable way. So I think they

459
00:36:19.599 --> 00:36:22.599
finally had to get him for conspiracy
to murder and things like that. Wouldn't

460
00:36:22.599 --> 00:36:28.360
be at all surprised if at the
end of the day Joe Biden actually didn't

461
00:36:28.400 --> 00:36:30.880
get any of the cash that you
know, the kids are holding onto it.

462
00:36:30.960 --> 00:36:34.280
And I mean, I know there's
the ten percent for the big guy,

463
00:36:34.320 --> 00:36:37.519
but that may be an escrow somewhere. That's my suspicion. How someone

464
00:36:38.079 --> 00:36:43.679
how doctor Joe Biden, you never
actually practiced medicine, by the way,

465
00:36:43.800 --> 00:36:46.920
or taught in a community college.
And Joe Biden, who never made more

466
00:36:47.199 --> 00:36:51.840
until he became president in what hundred
seven thousand dollars a year? How many

467
00:36:51.880 --> 00:36:55.360
houses million dollar houses? Do they
give me a break that never made it?

468
00:36:55.519 --> 00:37:00.280
I mean, you know, that's
just such a spull. Some of

469
00:37:00.280 --> 00:37:04.440
the money will come from like the
University of Pennsylvania paidium you know, seven

470
00:37:04.440 --> 00:37:09.880
figures I think for something. And
he was political philosophy something like you guys,

471
00:37:10.559 --> 00:37:15.039
Yeah, Joe Biden too, that's
what he said for four years.

472
00:37:15.519 --> 00:37:16.920
Yeah. I mean the point is
he got some money. I'm doing air

473
00:37:17.000 --> 00:37:21.400
quotes here or listeners legitimately or what
if you know. Of course it's based

474
00:37:21.400 --> 00:37:23.719
on influence and all the rest of
that. But the laundered money from foreign

475
00:37:23.800 --> 00:37:28.719
sources, I wouldn't it wouldn't surprise
me if none of that is traceable directly

476
00:37:28.760 --> 00:37:32.199
to Joe. If I give all
my money to my kids, that gets

477
00:37:32.199 --> 00:37:37.559
me out of being corrupt. Is
if the money goes to kids first,

478
00:37:37.639 --> 00:37:39.760
never gets to you, that seals
you off. I think. I mean,

479
00:37:39.840 --> 00:37:42.880
you know, we'll see, John, You'll have to give all your

480
00:37:42.880 --> 00:37:45.920
money to me to get around your
corruption. Okay, so wait a minute,

481
00:37:46.400 --> 00:37:52.679
I'm not doing I reserve all that
for mister Lucresha. Then take God,

482
00:37:52.199 --> 00:37:58.239
take on funding. This is Lucresha's
extravagant lifestyle. Yep, yep.

483
00:38:00.039 --> 00:38:04.719
Well, everything John just said might
be true except the big the big buzz

484
00:38:04.800 --> 00:38:09.360
in Washington and all everywhere now is
David Ignatia's column saying, uh, you

485
00:38:09.360 --> 00:38:15.280
know, And of course the theory
behind that is that he's a CIA I'll

486
00:38:15.320 --> 00:38:17.480
say, spokes. What's the right
word, what's not the bad word?

487
00:38:17.480 --> 00:38:22.599
I wanted to use? What's what's
a legitimate word? A mouthpiece, you

488
00:38:22.639 --> 00:38:27.559
know, piece? Yeah, that's
not bad seeing. Yeah, as great

489
00:38:27.599 --> 00:38:30.440
as Biden is, and it hurts
me to say it after all the amazing

490
00:38:30.519 --> 00:38:35.960
things he's done, and he and
Kamela can't run in twenty twenty four,

491
00:38:36.400 --> 00:38:38.719
What does that mean to you,
guys? Well, I thought the odd

492
00:38:38.760 --> 00:38:43.159
thing about that article was not so
much saying Biden's too old to run,

493
00:38:43.199 --> 00:38:46.039
but going along all the way to
saying and Camela can't either. It was

494
00:38:46.119 --> 00:38:49.480
kind of a bank shot. He
wants to get rid of Kamela, and

495
00:38:49.639 --> 00:38:52.960
he I think he recognizes that if
Biden dumps her or whatever, that it

496
00:38:52.000 --> 00:38:57.519
causes a big fight from the party. And so that was a very amusing

497
00:38:57.599 --> 00:39:00.840
article. I'm sure it's getting passed
around a lot of Democratic circles equally amusing

498
00:39:00.880 --> 00:39:07.320
to me. And I wrote about
this yesterday on Powerline is Nancy Pelosi was

499
00:39:07.360 --> 00:39:12.039
on one of the TV chat shows
and was asked about Harris. And she

500
00:39:12.119 --> 00:39:15.559
was asked three times to say something
nice about Harris, and three times she

501
00:39:15.679 --> 00:39:21.039
deflected vice presidents aren't that important?
Yeah, vice important, And you know,

502
00:39:21.119 --> 00:39:22.519
Joe Biden thinks she's the best running
mate, and that's the opinion that

503
00:39:22.599 --> 00:39:27.440
counts. I mean, she couldn't
even give a pro forma DNC talking point

504
00:39:27.559 --> 00:39:32.599
on defensive Harris. One thing she
said was there there to give counsel and

505
00:39:34.000 --> 00:39:38.400
intellectual death or something. Right.
But course you have to remember that Nancy

506
00:39:38.440 --> 00:39:43.599
Pelosi is related to Gavin Newsome,
and obviously Harris is in Newsom's way,

507
00:39:43.920 --> 00:39:45.840
So there is that little personal angle. But the fact that she couldn't even

508
00:39:45.880 --> 00:39:51.599
bring herself to give a pro forma
talking point about how great Tamala Harris is

509
00:39:51.679 --> 00:39:57.079
I thought it was very significant.
Well, so this is the thing I

510
00:39:57.119 --> 00:40:00.800
didn't get is it seemed to me
this I haven't read the She's just column,

511
00:40:00.920 --> 00:40:05.480
but everybody's been talking about it.
So one is, isn't this just

512
00:40:05.639 --> 00:40:08.199
what lots of your Democratic friends I
have been saying to you already that he

513
00:40:08.360 --> 00:40:13.760
just openly wrote what people have been
talking about for months. Yea. And

514
00:40:14.719 --> 00:40:17.360
on the other hand, how do
they push Biden and Harris out? I

515
00:40:17.360 --> 00:40:22.519
don't see how it happens. Yeah, I mean, I think there's two

516
00:40:22.880 --> 00:40:27.719
possibilities here. One is that Biden
is not going to run again. It

517
00:40:27.760 --> 00:40:30.480
may have already decided that, but
won't announce it until it's a faa company

518
00:40:30.599 --> 00:40:34.880
that Harris succeeds him. I think
he wants part of his legacy bequeathing to

519
00:40:34.920 --> 00:40:38.800
America, our first woman, black
woman president. But second, if I

520
00:40:38.800 --> 00:40:43.400
don't know it's gonna I think this
is less likely. You know, she's

521
00:40:43.400 --> 00:40:47.800
a woman, Shush a woman.
Though I said it again, didn't I.

522
00:40:49.079 --> 00:40:52.639
Yeah, you're in trouble now,
Steve, Like I'm not in trouble

523
00:40:52.679 --> 00:40:54.760
most of the time. Look,
I mean, I think that's unlikely but

524
00:40:54.840 --> 00:40:59.440
possible. And then the second possibility
is, although I think it's even less

525
00:40:59.440 --> 00:41:04.320
likely, is there's not much time
left maybe six weeks until you reached the

526
00:41:04.360 --> 00:41:08.559
deadlines for filing for primaries. To
actually run a campaign is you know,

527
00:41:08.599 --> 00:41:12.559
some senior Democrats would have to go
to Biden say you have to go,

528
00:41:13.440 --> 00:41:15.360
or someone might say it publicly,
which would be a big bold move,

529
00:41:16.440 --> 00:41:20.679
you know, like somebody said,
maybe what if Senator Amy Klobascher made a

530
00:41:20.679 --> 00:41:24.840
speech on the Senate floor saying what
Ignatius said, it might start a cascade.

531
00:41:24.920 --> 00:41:28.639
I don't know. That seems unlikely, but you know, it's the

532
00:41:28.679 --> 00:41:32.239
way Nixon was totally had to go
as senior Republican senators went down the White

533
00:41:32.239 --> 00:41:37.199
House and said, you can't survive
impeachment. Your only course is to resign,

534
00:41:37.480 --> 00:41:40.480
and then Nixon did so. I
don't know. I think it's very

535
00:41:40.559 --> 00:41:47.400
unlikely, but possible. I don't
know. What do you think You're there

536
00:41:47.480 --> 00:41:54.960
on the East coast, John,
all those things that Steve mentioned, I

537
00:41:54.960 --> 00:42:00.159
couldn't see moving Biden to step down. I don't see it. I could

538
00:42:00.159 --> 00:42:06.360
see him leaving if there was something
more tangible for the Biden family, or

539
00:42:06.920 --> 00:42:08.480
you know what if he reached a
secus. This is the kind of thing

540
00:42:08.880 --> 00:42:12.719
you know you had seen in the
movies. What if he and Kamala Harris

541
00:42:12.719 --> 00:42:15.960
reach a secret deal where he steps
aside, and then Harris pardons him and

542
00:42:16.039 --> 00:42:19.559
Hunter right there, you know,
something like that, you know, the

543
00:42:19.639 --> 00:42:22.760
things that people thought but didn't happen, but thought happened between Nixon and Ford,

544
00:42:22.880 --> 00:42:28.000
right right, I could But I
could see Biden being motivated by something

545
00:42:28.119 --> 00:42:31.880
like that. I don't see you
know, some Democrat, you know,

546
00:42:31.920 --> 00:42:35.800
Biden thinks these are all kids,
all these other senators and all these other

547
00:42:36.199 --> 00:42:38.599
compared to his age, they are
kids, you know, giving a harsh

548
00:42:38.599 --> 00:42:43.320
speech about him isn't going to cause
him to step down. I don't think.

549
00:42:43.679 --> 00:42:46.280
I could also see maybe if there
were some disaster, I you know,

550
00:42:46.320 --> 00:42:50.880
I sure hope nothing happens to the
country, but suppose there's some horrible

551
00:42:50.920 --> 00:42:55.480
foreign policy disaster or the economy really
tanks, I could see him maybe stepping

552
00:42:55.480 --> 00:43:01.320
aside the way LBJ did. That's
only reason that really distinct possibilities. Yeah,

553
00:43:01.400 --> 00:43:05.119
no, yeah, But isn't that
really the only precedent we have is

554
00:43:05.199 --> 00:43:09.000
something like this happening. Is lb
LBJ at sixty eight stepping aside from Humphrey?

555
00:43:09.239 --> 00:43:13.039
So isn't the question though, at
the end of the day, whether

556
00:43:13.079 --> 00:43:17.519
it's Biden's decision or somebody else's.
And what I mean by that is,

557
00:43:17.840 --> 00:43:22.239
you know, it's even Steve I
think put the meme in his weekend pictures

558
00:43:22.320 --> 00:43:29.199
of Obama the puppet master with these
little Camela and Joe, was that you

559
00:43:29.360 --> 00:43:34.639
Steve and Joe Biden puppets. Uh, you know, and of course you

560
00:43:34.679 --> 00:43:40.199
know that's that's it's usually Obama.
They're talking about being the master behind the

561
00:43:40.239 --> 00:43:47.880
throne sort of thing. I mean, yeah. I actually was doing a

562
00:43:47.960 --> 00:43:54.039
Hillsdale event earlier today in Washington,
and we're talking about threats to the constitution

563
00:43:54.800 --> 00:44:00.239
and someone came up after the panel
asked me exactly that. They said,

564
00:44:00.280 --> 00:44:06.599
what do you do when Obama is
really in charge and controlling everything? And

565
00:44:06.639 --> 00:44:08.000
I said, why do you think
it's Obama? And he mentioned this cartoon.

566
00:44:08.119 --> 00:44:12.400
I said, you're it's deeper than
that. This is what this is,

567
00:44:12.440 --> 00:44:15.239
what we've been living through these last
three years, is what the administrative

568
00:44:15.280 --> 00:44:21.280
state, with the civil service,
the bureaucracy does when there's no political restraint

569
00:44:21.320 --> 00:44:23.519
on what they want to do.
It's not that Obama is running everything.

570
00:44:23.719 --> 00:44:28.239
Obama and Biden, if they had
their truthers, we just release the regulatory

571
00:44:28.280 --> 00:44:30.800
state on us all with no defense. And so when you have a president

572
00:44:30.840 --> 00:44:35.559
who's out of it right and no
leadership from the White House, and the

573
00:44:35.599 --> 00:44:38.679
agencies just all do what they want
to without anyone saying no. That's the

574
00:44:38.760 --> 00:44:43.000
kind of government we've been having for
the last two This is a really important

575
00:44:43.000 --> 00:44:49.760
point. The Democrats have built a
government that can run without them, right,

576
00:44:49.800 --> 00:44:52.119
You almost don't need a president.
And with a democratic essentially a democratic

577
00:44:52.119 --> 00:44:55.440
administraive administrative state, why do we
need these elections? They just get in

578
00:44:55.480 --> 00:44:59.119
the way. Well that's the that
they think, of course, But I

579
00:44:59.119 --> 00:45:01.280
mean you John he made this point, I think was John who said,

580
00:45:01.440 --> 00:45:06.159
uh yeah, not only elections are
a nuisance, but the machine runs of

581
00:45:06.159 --> 00:45:09.519
itself. Oh I'm getting a little
a little window saying my internet connection is

582
00:45:09.639 --> 00:45:14.199
unstable. Well we'll see if it
like you're like, oh, never mind.

583
00:45:15.119 --> 00:45:19.360
She's just about to say, like
your personality. But often we've been

584
00:45:19.360 --> 00:45:22.199
giving you so long I can complete
her sentences. Now let me try this

585
00:45:22.239 --> 00:45:28.079
again. There is are this This
points out the asymmetry between democratic presidents and

586
00:45:28.119 --> 00:45:32.039
Republican presidents. Democratic presidents assume office
knowing they are all gonna do what I

587
00:45:32.079 --> 00:45:35.519
want them to do without me having
to give them any directions. And you

588
00:45:35.639 --> 00:45:38.079
point some terrible people who push things
along faster, like John Kerry and whatever.

589
00:45:38.800 --> 00:45:42.880
A Republican president who wants to resist
this, and that's not been all

590
00:45:42.920 --> 00:45:45.320
of them, of course, has
an uphill fight. Everything is hand to

591
00:45:45.320 --> 00:45:50.480
hand combat. It's a street fight
everywhere. Uh you know, Nixon learned

592
00:45:50.519 --> 00:45:54.280
that, Reagan learned that Trump,
John you right there you go. So

593
00:45:54.360 --> 00:45:58.719
there's a and that's and this is
why I've been saying for a long time

594
00:45:58.760 --> 00:46:02.559
that Republicans make them stay talking about
just big government and wasteful spending. They

595
00:46:02.599 --> 00:46:07.880
really need to talk about Bureaucracy is
the partisan instrument of the Democratic Party,

596
00:46:07.920 --> 00:46:10.599
and that's why it needs to be
attacked directly and not use all the feel

597
00:46:10.639 --> 00:46:15.440
good wasteful spending, waste, fraud
and abuse and just a generic bureaucracy that

598
00:46:15.519 --> 00:46:20.960
doesn't work. That we need much
tougher rhetoric if you're going to have a

599
00:46:21.039 --> 00:46:24.599
serious campaign to reform it. Okay, hold that for a moment for our

600
00:46:24.639 --> 00:46:37.119
sponsors. Welcome back everyone. We
only have a little bit of time left,

601
00:46:37.159 --> 00:46:39.639
so I want to get to I
want to get to talking to John

602
00:46:39.719 --> 00:46:47.320
you about his infamous famous testimony on
behalf of the infamous famous John Eastman.

603
00:46:47.480 --> 00:46:52.599
But before that, I want to
talk briefly about the Missouri Biden case,

604
00:46:52.639 --> 00:46:57.360
which is still in the news.
The Missouri Biden case, we had a

605
00:46:57.480 --> 00:47:00.599
long discussion about it when it first
came out a couple months ago. I

606
00:47:00.599 --> 00:47:05.639
guess it's been now. And that's
the case where two Republican attorneys general state

607
00:47:05.639 --> 00:47:15.760
attorneys general are suing the Biden administration
for for their what's the right word,

608
00:47:15.840 --> 00:47:23.639
persuasion. That's what some people are
saying. They're straw army threatening of social

609
00:47:23.679 --> 00:47:29.239
media. To make it simple,
it's not just this, but we'll make

610
00:47:29.239 --> 00:47:35.119
it simple by saying to get them
to suppress anything that went against the COVID

611
00:47:35.440 --> 00:47:38.760
you must get vaccinated, don't take
quiet core clean or ivermect a narrative.

612
00:47:39.599 --> 00:47:46.039
And a district court judge Dowdy Dowdy
is that how you say his name?

613
00:47:46.119 --> 00:47:51.519
Dowdy? Dowdy? Uh said,
you know this is this is the horrendous

614
00:47:51.559 --> 00:47:54.119
We went through some of the facts
of that case that we're presented in the

615
00:47:54.159 --> 00:48:04.599
opinion went to the the appellate court. UH. The Biden Justice Department took

616
00:48:04.599 --> 00:48:10.159
it to the Appellate Court, who
agreed with the substance of the District Court's

617
00:48:10.199 --> 00:48:16.400
opinion, but pushed back on a
number of the agencies that were under an

618
00:48:16.400 --> 00:48:22.280
injunction by that Missouri versus Biden case. And then today I don't know if

619
00:48:22.320 --> 00:48:23.840
you know this, Steve, because
John had not had a chance to catch

620
00:48:23.920 --> 00:48:29.559
up on it. The Biden administration
appealed it to the Supreme Court. It

621
00:48:29.599 --> 00:48:36.239
went to Aledo Alito stayed the injunction
until next week to give the government excuse

622
00:48:36.280 --> 00:48:42.639
me, to give the other side
a chance to answer the governments appeal.

623
00:48:43.559 --> 00:48:49.079
I guess it would be right.
So did you ever have a chance,

624
00:48:49.199 --> 00:48:52.079
John, because we talked about it
briefly in our podcast that you weren't able

625
00:48:52.119 --> 00:48:55.519
to join us because you were too
popular and had better things to do.

626
00:48:58.880 --> 00:49:02.679
Did you ever have is having a
dinner with Olympic athletes that the Steve used

627
00:49:02.679 --> 00:49:07.599
to hear a warship back in the
day. Yeah, yeah, So,

628
00:49:07.320 --> 00:49:15.199
I guess what my sense of it
is that importantly, the appeals court,

629
00:49:15.239 --> 00:49:20.239
the Fifth Circuit, basically agreed with
most of the factual findings of the lower

630
00:49:20.280 --> 00:49:24.159
court that all of this had actually
gone on, and the principal findings.

631
00:49:24.519 --> 00:49:28.679
Yeah. Yeah, the thing the
only thing he really changed, the Appeals

632
00:49:28.679 --> 00:49:32.119
Court changed from what I could tell, was what we call the the remedy.

633
00:49:34.239 --> 00:49:37.960
The Fifth Circuit actually found that the
you know, there had been all

634
00:49:37.960 --> 00:49:44.920
this collusion slash coercion of the White
House and the social media companies, and

635
00:49:44.960 --> 00:49:49.360
then they found that this indeed violated
the First Amendment. Right, that's very

636
00:49:49.360 --> 00:49:52.280
important. That's actually something that could
go to the Streme Court. That's just

637
00:49:52.440 --> 00:49:57.760
entirely new because of the role of
social media is new. And then the

638
00:49:57.800 --> 00:50:01.719
thing that I think the media made
it sound like, oh, but the

639
00:50:01.760 --> 00:50:07.440
fists are really curtailed the district judges
findings. There's more than the district judge.

640
00:50:07.199 --> 00:50:12.360
I'm sorry. The Appeals Court were
narrowed with the district judges orders were

641
00:50:13.280 --> 00:50:17.239
because it found that the district judge
was, for example, having any junction

642
00:50:17.320 --> 00:50:22.079
reaching doctor Fauci for example, doesn't
make sense. But to say, you

643
00:50:22.079 --> 00:50:27.159
know, they basically said stop,
you know, trying to force social media

644
00:50:27.239 --> 00:50:30.719
companies to censor, to de emphasis. What is it. It's not called

645
00:50:30.760 --> 00:50:34.960
de emphasizing. It's a D platform, not D platform. Right, So

646
00:50:34.960 --> 00:50:38.639
when you slow down or de emphasize
someone's profile so that they don't get as

647
00:50:38.719 --> 00:50:44.719
many hits and links. So that's
important, But the most important thing I

648
00:50:44.800 --> 00:50:49.800
think is really the legal finding that
if the government is social media get too

649
00:50:49.840 --> 00:50:53.440
intertwined, then social media is subject
to the First Amendment, which means they're

650
00:50:53.480 --> 00:51:00.119
not allowed to discriminate against speakers based
on their viewpoint. And you know,

651
00:51:00.159 --> 00:51:04.599
as we've talked about many times of
this show, social media is clearly discriminating

652
00:51:04.599 --> 00:51:08.039
against conservative speakers and has been for
several years. Think about it this way.

653
00:51:08.239 --> 00:51:13.519
If there's there's more of this to
come, there's going to be a

654
00:51:13.519 --> 00:51:15.880
lot of money these social media coman
is going to have to pay out to

655
00:51:15.920 --> 00:51:21.639
conservative plaintiffs. Steve, I don't
have much to add to it. I

656
00:51:21.679 --> 00:51:24.440
didn't read the Peel's court opinion,
but I know that our friends Jay Badicharia

657
00:51:25.000 --> 00:51:29.440
and others are claiming vindication O Ritz, so I think it's a win,

658
00:51:29.559 --> 00:51:32.239
even if they did scale back some
of the remedies. I know the su

659
00:51:32.800 --> 00:51:37.480
J doctor J is So here's here's
the key thing. So one doctor J

660
00:51:37.920 --> 00:51:42.280
is one of the people in the
and they've mentioned in the case doctor J.

661
00:51:42.400 --> 00:51:47.159
Bardicharia for those who don't remember,
as a professor of medicine at Stanford.

662
00:51:47.199 --> 00:51:52.880
He's actually got a medical degree and
a PhD in economics and studies disease,

663
00:51:53.280 --> 00:51:58.440
and he was one of the people
who thought that we were going too

664
00:51:58.440 --> 00:52:04.320
far in the lockdowns. Rightly,
So we were doing an event at Berkeley,

665
00:52:04.519 --> 00:52:07.199
Steve and I where we had Heather
McDonald come and speak, which and

666
00:52:07.239 --> 00:52:14.159
we hope to have this event posted
online because there was an effort to protest

667
00:52:14.239 --> 00:52:17.800
Heather, but both Steve and Heather
soldiered through it. And it was remarkable

668
00:52:17.880 --> 00:52:22.199
because to me, I think this
was the first time a lot of people

669
00:52:22.239 --> 00:52:28.079
in the audience had ever heard facts
and figures about crime, about discrimination,

670
00:52:28.400 --> 00:52:30.800
about the costs of affirmative action.
I thought it was actually a wonderful event.

671
00:52:31.079 --> 00:52:35.480
And so I'm looking around and day
doctor Jay Bati Cherry is sitting in

672
00:52:35.519 --> 00:52:39.079
the audience listening, and I'm like, so I go out to what are

673
00:52:39.119 --> 00:52:44.159
you doing here? Turns out he
was dropping his kid off for college first

674
00:52:44.199 --> 00:52:49.000
freshman year at Berkeley, even though
as the Stanford professor his kids coming to

675
00:52:49.079 --> 00:52:52.239
Berkeley, and so he happened to
be on campus that day and showed up

676
00:52:52.239 --> 00:52:54.679
for the talk and didn't mention that
I don't think we could have had this

677
00:52:54.800 --> 00:52:59.519
at Stanford Law School as we've seen, right, Yes, he said that

678
00:52:59.599 --> 00:53:05.280
several times. He's like and then
I said, well, why don't you

679
00:53:05.360 --> 00:53:07.960
come and speak and he said I'd
love to. He said Stanford won't let

680
00:53:08.039 --> 00:53:14.360
him speak on campus. Wow,
he actually said he wanted to speak and

681
00:53:14.559 --> 00:53:16.440
was told no, we're not going
to let you speak about this. And

682
00:53:16.480 --> 00:53:20.039
they, you know, they basically
did the same thing to Scott Atlas there

683
00:53:20.039 --> 00:53:23.280
at Stanford too. So I'm looking
for we can have an open debate about

684
00:53:23.320 --> 00:53:30.119
COVID and lockdowns and you know,
at Berkeley anytime. I think so.

685
00:53:30.159 --> 00:53:36.480
There was an article by Matt Tayibi
where he interviewed a doctor I'm probably not

686
00:53:36.519 --> 00:53:38.519
going to see it, right,
Karyate, who was also one of the

687
00:53:38.559 --> 00:53:45.199
original plaintiffs along with Badicharia, and
he wrote a book similar unit, kind

688
00:53:45.239 --> 00:53:53.599
of a similar focus, which looked
at the incredible emotional cost of emotional cost

689
00:53:53.639 --> 00:53:59.480
of the lockdowns and not But it
wasn't just the lockdowns that he found.

690
00:53:59.519 --> 00:54:05.679
It was the absolutely the abject fear
that people felt as a result of this

691
00:54:05.800 --> 00:54:12.119
kind of government propaganda machine to make
everybody terrified that if they ever took their

692
00:54:12.119 --> 00:54:15.079
mask off, except when they were
taking a bite of food that they would

693
00:54:15.079 --> 00:54:19.239
get COVID and die in a respirator
and a painful, horrible death. And

694
00:54:19.280 --> 00:54:22.280
he said, you know, he
just saw the effects of this. That's

695
00:54:22.440 --> 00:54:28.079
interesting in and of itself. But
the article was actually about the circuit court

696
00:54:28.079 --> 00:54:35.079
opinion, court opinion, and he
talked about how it was interesting how these

697
00:54:35.239 --> 00:54:39.159
justices excuse me, judges on the
Fifth Circuit because they're they're a little bit

698
00:54:39.199 --> 00:54:45.760
older and they don't understand they when
John said that they set some things aside

699
00:54:45.920 --> 00:54:47.159
on the injunction. One of the
things that they did was they said,

700
00:54:47.159 --> 00:54:50.760
Okay, it's not going to apply
to the State Department, it's not going

701
00:54:50.800 --> 00:54:55.679
to apply to SISSA. The cyber
security and I always get it wrong,

702
00:54:55.880 --> 00:55:01.159
and the Cyber Security, Infrastructure and
Security Agency is what it is, and

703
00:55:01.239 --> 00:55:06.400
of course it was originally designed to
make sure that it was protecting you know,

704
00:55:06.840 --> 00:55:10.559
cybersecurity infrastructure and grids and all of
that sort of thing. But he

705
00:55:10.599 --> 00:55:19.719
talks about the evolution of this agency
to something that became what he calls part

706
00:55:19.760 --> 00:55:28.119
of the censorship industrial complex and in
some ways the clearinghouse for the censorship industrial

707
00:55:28.239 --> 00:55:31.719
complex. He talks about it because
the former head of SISSA, I just

708
00:55:31.760 --> 00:55:35.239
I'm gonna throw this out there and
then I'll stop with this subject. But

709
00:55:35.920 --> 00:55:40.880
talked about no longer protecting the cybersecurity
infrastructure. They moved from that to protecting

710
00:55:40.880 --> 00:55:46.000
of course the election infrastructure makes a
certain amount of sense, but now it's

711
00:55:46.760 --> 00:55:59.039
cognitive infrastructure. But the job of
SISSA is to control and protect Americans cognitive

712
00:55:59.199 --> 00:56:06.039
infrastructure. What does that mean,
control Americans way of thinking, control their

713
00:56:06.079 --> 00:56:09.800
mind orwell would be proud. Yeah, it was an interesting piece anyway,

714
00:56:09.840 --> 00:56:13.079
I just wanted to throw that up, so he said, you know,

715
00:56:13.119 --> 00:56:16.760
I get it. And the idea
that they didn't put these other agencies in

716
00:56:16.800 --> 00:56:20.519
the injunction is not that big of
a deal. Injunction has of course,

717
00:56:20.519 --> 00:56:22.840
you knew it's a very difficult thing
to get in the first place, and

718
00:56:22.840 --> 00:56:25.920
so on. But he said,
they really need to be thinking about the

719
00:56:25.960 --> 00:56:31.920
fact that it wasn't just the FDA, it wasn't just the CDC, it

720
00:56:32.039 --> 00:56:36.159
wasn't just the White House, it
was some of these other agencies, and

721
00:56:36.239 --> 00:56:39.840
talking specifically about how back to what
really what you were saying, Steve,

722
00:56:39.960 --> 00:56:45.840
so many agencies of the federal government
have been weaponized against the American people.

723
00:56:46.119 --> 00:56:50.679
Well, my takeaway here is a
wonderful nucliche to you is, which is

724
00:56:51.440 --> 00:56:53.760
when I'm having one of my senior
moments, I'll just say, my cognitive

725
00:56:53.800 --> 00:56:59.519
infrastructure is not matching up with the
router just now. So there's a great

726
00:56:59.599 --> 00:57:04.800
phrase. All right, speaking of
cognitive infrastructures. How's yours doing lately?

727
00:57:05.239 --> 00:57:12.079
John, Since you're in the unenviable
position of defending our friend John Eastman,

728
00:57:12.239 --> 00:57:17.559
unenventable because you know you will automatically
be put on the side of fascists and

729
00:57:19.239 --> 00:57:22.599
mega hat wearers and so on because
of this, how's that been going?

730
00:57:22.599 --> 00:57:28.880
Well, I wouldn't be the first
time I'm afraid in that camp. So

731
00:57:29.480 --> 00:57:35.039
I guess they just kept my reserve
seat open in that in that train.

732
00:57:35.519 --> 00:57:39.639
So it's interesting. I have a
lot of problems with what the bar is

733
00:57:39.679 --> 00:57:45.960
doing, but my primary job is
to be an expert witness. And it's

734
00:57:45.960 --> 00:57:49.519
a funny explain to our listeners in
what just in case they don't know ya.

735
00:57:49.880 --> 00:57:54.400
So what's going on is that there
are these groups that are trying to

736
00:57:58.679 --> 00:58:04.519
get disbarred, people like Rudy Giuliani, John Eastman and other lawyers that advised

737
00:58:04.559 --> 00:58:09.599
Trump in the effort to challenge the
results of the November election in twenty twenty,

738
00:58:09.719 --> 00:58:17.519
and in particularly they're claiming that Eastman
or Giuliani. It's so clear to

739
00:58:17.559 --> 00:58:21.679
me at one level they might be
claiming, well, their legal advice was

740
00:58:21.760 --> 00:58:25.880
just so wrong, so bad,
that it wasn't really legal advice. It

741
00:58:25.920 --> 00:58:31.039
was actually participating in the criminal conspiracy. They were just they knew they were

742
00:58:31.119 --> 00:58:35.920
violating the law. They were trying
to help Trump violate the law, and

743
00:58:36.039 --> 00:58:39.559
this legal advice was just to cover. Then I guess they could also be

744
00:58:39.599 --> 00:58:44.519
trying to claim, well, whatever
the legal advice was, they just conducted

745
00:58:44.559 --> 00:58:47.280
themselves in a way that broke the
law. You know, there was conduct,

746
00:58:47.360 --> 00:58:52.519
not their speech. Now, the
problem is you have to show,

747
00:58:52.519 --> 00:58:58.920
well, what's the range of acceptable
legal advice. And I think it's very

748
00:58:58.960 --> 00:59:06.719
hard to show in this kind of
case that somebody was giving legal advice that

749
00:59:06.840 --> 00:59:10.360
was so bad, so wrong,
that it was really just criminal. And

750
00:59:10.599 --> 00:59:16.039
one reason is because this is an
Irish area where there's no Supreme Court cases,

751
00:59:16.400 --> 00:59:21.599
there's no precedents. Is it really
is unprecedented? I mean the eye

752
00:59:22.960 --> 00:59:25.039
if you thought there were fraud in
the election, and this is part of

753
00:59:25.079 --> 00:59:28.880
where I disagree with John, but
it doesn't have to do with whether he's

754
00:59:28.880 --> 00:59:31.320
a good lawyer or not. I
just think the facts were different. But

755
00:59:31.519 --> 00:59:37.400
suppose you did think there had been
sufficient fraud, then you've got to figure

756
00:59:37.440 --> 00:59:40.679
out what to do. And we
really haven't had many cases like that in

757
00:59:40.679 --> 00:59:46.679
our history. The major one is
eighteen sixteen eighteen seventy six disputed presidential election

758
00:59:47.440 --> 00:59:55.320
where several vacious Southern governments which wanted
to oppress the rights of the freed slaves,

759
00:59:55.960 --> 01:00:02.679
basically engaged in widespread voter fraud and
even set up alternative state governments to

760
01:00:02.719 --> 01:00:10.079
send on their own electoral votes.
So I think one the question I asked,

761
01:00:10.119 --> 01:00:15.039
and I asked it when I was
deposed by the Bar, is that

762
01:00:16.480 --> 01:00:22.559
you can be a lawyer and be
confronted by precedents, by Supreme Court opinions,

763
01:00:22.599 --> 01:00:28.519
by written statutes which are against you, against you. That doesn't mean

764
01:00:28.559 --> 01:00:31.480
that you're wrong to challenge them if
you think they're im moral. It doesn't

765
01:00:31.480 --> 01:00:35.559
mean it's wrong to challenge if you
have an argument as to why they're wrong.

766
01:00:36.679 --> 01:00:43.280
Think about third Good Marshal before Brown
versus Board of Education, every precedent

767
01:00:43.400 --> 01:00:49.519
was against the right plus Cy versus
Ferguson was spinning Supreme Court precedent statutes throughout

768
01:00:49.519 --> 01:00:55.760
the entire South enforced right racial segregation. Case after case upheld racial segregation.

769
01:00:58.000 --> 01:01:04.239
Should all those Southern states disbarred?
Third good Marshal for saying right plus he

770
01:01:04.400 --> 01:01:08.320
is wrong the fourteenth Amendment should be
followed. I don't think so. And

771
01:01:08.400 --> 01:01:12.239
I think if that's the standard you're
used, then I don't think you can

772
01:01:12.280 --> 01:01:17.360
say John Eastman should be disbarred either. And how's it going? I mean,

773
01:01:17.400 --> 01:01:21.920
I have my my sense of it, but I really have know what

774
01:01:22.239 --> 01:01:30.800
means to judge it. So so
far we've had the questions, you know,

775
01:01:30.920 --> 01:01:31.840
and this is, you know,
being on the stand, although it's

776
01:01:31.840 --> 01:01:35.719
by zoom. Though I stand,
I don't like to sit. I stand

777
01:01:35.800 --> 01:01:37.800
up. So for eight basically eight
hours in a row, I've been I

778
01:01:37.840 --> 01:01:44.679
was standing except for one hour lunch
break, and the Council for John Eastman's

779
01:01:44.719 --> 01:01:49.440
going through my qualifications, my work, and then how I came to write

780
01:01:49.480 --> 01:01:52.599
about the twelfth Amendment and this whole
controversy, you know, strange to me.

781
01:01:52.639 --> 01:01:54.400
I was like, how could you
not write about it? It's like

782
01:01:54.400 --> 01:01:59.039
the most important constitutional question of the
last you know, three four years.

783
01:01:59.079 --> 01:02:00.840
It's like it's a resist but you
know, they asked you, why did

784
01:02:00.880 --> 01:02:04.440
you start writing about it? What
methods did you use? And so on.

785
01:02:04.880 --> 01:02:07.960
So after that first full eight hours, complete with you know, tussling

786
01:02:08.000 --> 01:02:13.119
between the lawyers, between the bars
lawyers and the bar by these acting as

787
01:02:13.159 --> 01:02:19.519
the prosecution and John Eastman's lawyers and
the judge, I think we're almost finished

788
01:02:19.559 --> 01:02:23.360
with that testimony. And then the
state bar gets to cross examine to me,

789
01:02:23.440 --> 01:02:28.559
which was always unpleasant, and that'll
be Uh, this will be posted

790
01:02:28.639 --> 01:02:36.559
afterwards, but we're taping it the
night before. Yeah right, so probably

791
01:02:37.239 --> 01:02:40.280
yeah, Well mim at me.
My impression from watching the you know the

792
01:02:40.280 --> 01:02:45.559
first few days of this, which
I found riveting was John Eastman is putting

793
01:02:45.599 --> 01:02:47.840
up a ferocious defense, as you
would expect of him, of course,

794
01:02:49.519 --> 01:02:52.559
and my hunch is, uh,
this will probably set a record for the

795
01:02:52.679 --> 01:02:58.360
length of a bar disbarment proceeding.
I can't imagine there's ever been a disbarment

796
01:02:58.480 --> 01:03:04.239
case that's going on this long.
And then finally, if nothing else,

797
01:03:06.679 --> 01:03:09.840
he's establishing a trial record for appeal
that looks like it's going to be pretty

798
01:03:09.840 --> 01:03:15.280
ample. So go to the interest
Supreme Court. Yeah, le's go to

799
01:03:15.320 --> 01:03:20.000
Californy Supreme Court and then I think
which supervises the bar. And then ultimately

800
01:03:20.039 --> 01:03:24.400
he could go to the US Supreme
Court and say my right free speech,

801
01:03:24.599 --> 01:03:30.599
my right to participate in the political
process and express my views as being punished

802
01:03:30.679 --> 01:03:35.719
by the bar. No, I
have no idea what the Supreme Court would

803
01:03:35.719 --> 01:03:37.800
make of that. And that's I
mean, you also have this. This

804
01:03:37.880 --> 01:03:42.360
would destroy his living. I mean, he's a lawyer. What is he

805
01:03:42.440 --> 01:03:45.320
going to do after this? I
mean, he is really taking away his

806
01:03:45.840 --> 01:03:49.679
ability to make a living for himself
and his family. I'm wondering if there

807
01:03:49.760 --> 01:03:54.519
might be if the vigor of his
defense might make the bar flinch and propose

808
01:03:54.599 --> 01:04:00.840
a suspension instead of a disbarment,
which would disappoint the left. I don't

809
01:04:00.840 --> 01:04:04.159
know that. You know that they
do lots of suspensions as well as disbardments.

810
01:04:04.239 --> 01:04:08.840
Right, Well, this is the
weird thing. This is the troubling

811
01:04:08.880 --> 01:04:15.360
thing about it is you look at
bar proceedings are mostly about this guy stole

812
01:04:15.440 --> 01:04:18.519
money from his client, this guy
fell asleep during the trial. There's you'd

813
01:04:18.519 --> 01:04:24.280
be amazed how many cases there are
people your lawyer falling asleep during the trial.

814
01:04:24.639 --> 01:04:28.199
You know this, You know,
this guy was secretly talking to the

815
01:04:28.199 --> 01:04:30.400
other side because they wanted to get
a job. Right, This is not

816
01:04:30.639 --> 01:04:36.639
what the bars usually police that kind
of stuff. I mean to intercede in

817
01:04:36.679 --> 01:04:43.760
this kind of you know, unprecedented
constitutional dispute of the first order. It

818
01:04:43.840 --> 01:04:46.719
really is not what the bar I
think is supposed to do. And think

819
01:04:46.760 --> 01:04:50.199
about it again, I think,
you know, Lacretian and I were talking

820
01:04:50.199 --> 01:04:56.400
about briefly before, does this mean
that no one will ever challenge a vote

821
01:04:56.480 --> 01:05:02.639
or an election ever in the future
because someone's going to launch dispartment proceeding against

822
01:05:02.719 --> 01:05:08.960
you and then this will this will
have liberal's favorite word, chilling effect.

823
01:05:10.519 --> 01:05:14.639
I don't think they care about that
anymore. And and what last point is

824
01:05:14.679 --> 01:05:18.400
I find it very strange that the
party that claims is for democracy does not

825
01:05:18.440 --> 01:05:24.840
trust democracy because the answer to this
is elections. If people think John Eastman

826
01:05:24.960 --> 01:05:29.239
or President Trump went too far,
then don't vote for them again. They

827
01:05:29.280 --> 01:05:31.400
did vote them out of office the
first time. Don't vote them, you

828
01:05:31.400 --> 01:05:34.679
know, don't vote for him in
twenty twenty four. That's how the founders

829
01:05:34.719 --> 01:05:39.920
thought. I think that these things
would be resolved. And so why don't

830
01:05:39.920 --> 01:05:44.159
they have enough faith in democracy that
they're not trying to use prosecution or these

831
01:05:44.239 --> 01:05:49.480
strange dispartment proceedings to effectively cut off
the choices. So she's going to hear,

832
01:05:50.199 --> 01:05:55.199
let's make that the start of our
next podcast, Steve, what do

833
01:05:55.239 --> 01:06:00.000
you say, because we could say
seventeen podcasts talking about that one one last

834
01:06:00.119 --> 01:06:05.599
quick question, when do you think
that a decision will come down? Oh?

835
01:06:08.000 --> 01:06:11.800
Well, this is a weird thing. So John made an emotion which

836
01:06:11.800 --> 01:06:14.480
I thought was completely reasonable, which
is, as you know, he's been

837
01:06:14.519 --> 01:06:18.719
indicted in the Georgia case, and
so he reasonably said we should suspend this

838
01:06:18.840 --> 01:06:23.480
disbarment proceeding, right, And he
could fairly say, Look, if I

839
01:06:23.519 --> 01:06:26.719
get convicted of a felony in Georgia, then you can dispard me. Usually

840
01:06:26.760 --> 01:06:30.360
that's a reason to suspend or disparse
someonees that they committed a felonies. You

841
01:06:30.400 --> 01:06:31.960
could say that he said. And
he said, look, you're going to

842
01:06:32.039 --> 01:06:36.360
force me to testify and say things
in this bar proceeding which actually could be

843
01:06:36.440 --> 01:06:42.880
used against me in Georgia. I
mean that's just unfair. But the judge

844
01:06:42.920 --> 01:06:45.639
for the moment is rejected that.
So I would think that means they want

845
01:06:45.639 --> 01:06:49.880
to wrap this up before anything happens
in Georgia. Otherwise the case really would

846
01:06:49.960 --> 01:06:54.960
be strong for John that the two
proceedings canfere with each other. So I

847
01:06:55.039 --> 01:07:00.000
figure they're going to get done pretty
soon, before the end of the year,

848
01:07:00.199 --> 01:07:02.599
certainly before the Georgia trials will start. All right, I'm moving to

849
01:07:02.639 --> 01:07:06.079
Babylon. Bees. I don't know
if either of you have a commalism you

850
01:07:06.119 --> 01:07:10.760
want to do. Okay, good, But because I haven't, I don't

851
01:07:10.800 --> 01:07:13.960
think he used this last week.
I hope while I was away. If

852
01:07:13.960 --> 01:07:15.760
we did, it's okay. Okay, you can say it again. So

853
01:07:16.079 --> 01:07:20.719
wait, hold on, sorry,
let me do Babylon first, and then

854
01:07:20.760 --> 01:07:26.480
you can do Camela. So the
White House says there's no direct evidence that

855
01:07:26.599 --> 01:07:32.320
Hunter Biden actually exists, and then
Joe comforts Hunter by talking about the time

856
01:07:32.400 --> 01:07:41.440
his son was indicted for gun crimes, taking down a minute to figure that

857
01:07:41.480 --> 01:07:46.960
one. Sorry, there's so many, I'll leave the last one. No

858
01:07:47.159 --> 01:07:56.679
too. Democrats scrambled a fine replacement
for retiring Mitt Romney. That's good.

859
01:07:57.159 --> 01:08:02.840
New Mexico governor suspends first Amendment to
criticism over suspending second Amendment. Is good.

860
01:08:03.519 --> 01:08:06.639
Okay, I'm sorry. I don't
even talk about We didn't even talk

861
01:08:06.679 --> 01:08:12.000
about that whole about man. We
talked about the Second Amendment one last week.

862
01:08:13.000 --> 01:08:17.920
Yeah, because it happened just through
the Kamala discussion of culture. Her

863
01:08:17.960 --> 01:08:23.279
definition of culture, No, okay, I may have heard this, but

864
01:08:23.319 --> 01:08:29.880
go ahead. So she was at
a music festival in New Orleans and gave

865
01:08:29.880 --> 01:08:33.880
a definition of culture. Here it
is culture is it is a reflection of

866
01:08:33.880 --> 01:08:38.680
our moment in our time right and
in present. Culture is the way we

867
01:08:38.720 --> 01:08:44.159
express how we're feeling about the moment. It gets better, and we should

868
01:08:44.199 --> 01:08:46.399
always find times to express how we
feel about the moment. That is a

869
01:08:46.439 --> 01:08:50.640
reflection of joy, because you know
it comes in the morning, she said,

870
01:08:50.680 --> 01:08:56.199
bursting into laughter. There's even more, though. We have to find

871
01:08:56.199 --> 01:08:59.720
ways to also express the way we
feel about the moment in terms of just

872
01:09:00.199 --> 01:09:03.159
language and a connection to how people
are experiencing life. And I think about

873
01:09:03.199 --> 01:09:10.840
it in that way too. Can
I write that culture only happens in the

874
01:09:10.840 --> 01:09:15.079
morning. But that's that's deep,
man, that's deep. It's very mis

875
01:09:15.079 --> 01:09:18.760
profound. Okay, let's take us
out of here. John, You have

876
01:09:18.840 --> 01:09:24.000
a long day tomorrow. Oh yeah, so always drink, drink your whiskey

877
01:09:24.079 --> 01:09:28.840
meat. Let's go, Brandon and
Steve. I'm going to modify it slightly

878
01:09:28.880 --> 01:09:34.880
for the next month. Bring back
the Habsburgs. Did he actually say that

879
01:09:35.479 --> 01:09:41.520
I did? No, he does. They don't say that Hungary accuse us.

880
01:09:41.520 --> 01:09:43.920
I mean plus or monarchist. I
thought I'd live up to it or

881
01:09:43.960 --> 01:09:46.079
down to it. Okay, all
right, Well, it's lovely to see

882
01:09:46.119 --> 01:09:49.239
you guys. Be careful on your
travels. I hope to be with you

883
01:09:49.319 --> 01:10:39.439
soon again. Okay, take care
of see you next week. Ricochet joined the conversation