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Hello, ladies and gentlemen, and
welcome back to the Planet of the Apes

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retrospective. I am but why dress
now? And I'm joined by I am

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the Mutant Kirklan Patzer. Yes,
we hopefully should be joined by Taylor Field

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at any second. He's in the
Forbidden Zone right now. He saw some

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fire and you just started running to
like a mad man. Oh but yeah,

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well, well we got lots to
talk about today. But yeah,

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I'm not sure. I guess we'll
be coming out like April Marchs. I

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don't know what's going on in the
geek realms. But as always, if

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you like what we do, or
if you just listening to this to now

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you went, hey, I want
to get all the rest of those episodes,

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probably by time this is out for
the public. Everything we're doing,

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every single plan in the Apes movie. We're even going back to the news

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work because I think the newest one's
also. You want to get a date

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there, kirkle When did War for
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we don't retrospective movies that haven't been
five years older at least, and I

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think that I think that fits now. I think it's been five years twenty

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seventeen. Yeah, we're going five
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other than Taylor were I actually came, remember too. I think it was

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just Briggs and Dylan. Actually I
can't remember something like that. But yeah,

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we're gonna do them all. We're
gonna do the original series here,

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we're doing the remake, and we're
doing the trilogy all the lead up to

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Kingdom of the Plan of the Apes
and uh, at this time, Kirklan,

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it's like months old. But you
saw the trailer we were recording this

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at the time. That was it, Marvelski. Did you like that trailer

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Apes? Yeah, that was the
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the big screen. I I liked
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there's been two since the Franco one, right, yes, yeah, so

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I haven't seen any of those.
I've only seen that first one. So

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obviously a lot has happened since the
end of that first movie to what they're

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showing off here in this trailer.
So it's been a big jump. It

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seems like the Apes kind of won
that battle, but it looked really good.

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So yeah, I would say I'm
excited, and especially that we're going

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through these Apes movies. Yeah,
very different vibe than what I got on

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that big screen trailer. But yeah, yeah, you're not gonna have any

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monkeys at nukes in that one.
Who knows, but we'll see. That's

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how it ends, right mm hmm. Find the big bomb and that's how

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they get rid of it. Damn. So as usual, head down the

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yeah, I can get head over
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always a good time over there.
So we are going to be talking about,

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uh, the today's episode Beneath the
Planet of the Apes sequel. Oh,

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look at this, it's just almost
just like Brent. He came in

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very last year. There we go. So Kirkle'll give me your rating out

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of ten on this movie. We're
closing it out. Oh, we're joined

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by two thousand years to the field. We worried for a second. Oh

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yeah, weod predictions, we predictions. What was going on? Yeah,

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with a like no no, no, no, leave it. I just

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printed this on. Yeah you're out. Well, we haven't gone anywhere yet,

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so I'll give you a little more
time to recover. I'm gonna go

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first because there's a method of why
I'll go first, and people know if

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they're a long time listeners. If
not, I'll explain after. I know,

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boys, what the fuck happened here? I don't really know, like,

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and that's where I'll go because I
tried to go put negative deposits most

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of the time, and I don't
know what these gentlemens are. Feelings are

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like, but I don't mine are
like, and I really don't know.

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I I gave my feelings like a
little bit last last week when we recorded

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this, because it's just hard not
to, and I said we should do

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this as a topic at one point, and luckily in our timeline, this

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actor shrike is done, so we'll
begin movies and stuff again. But maybe

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the future at some point low times
will do it, because think about a

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sequel and you have a great movie
to such a drop down. This has

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this, to me is easily on
the top ten list. I think I

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could make a case for number one, and there's like two minds of it.

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I'll try to go from like the
what they should should or could have

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done. It's none of this,
none of this, Like I watched Plan

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the Apes and then I get to
this, it's like, oh, this

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is what they should be doing.
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on, take out the expectations right, because I feel like even as a

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kid, I felt this way.
It's like, what, like this is

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really odd. I was happy Charlton
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was thrown off by the whole thing. And we'll get into it. But

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okay, so throw out the because
you never should remove the movie or review

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the movie. It's not right.
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it should have been. And then
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the first five plus minutes we're talking
less today of the movie just being the

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end of the first movie, that's
not a good sign. And this movie

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is only an hour and a half
already, so it's it's about twenty five

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minutes shorter than the other one.
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a make of the first one,
like it's not, but it's it's exact

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same scenarios and then we meet this
organization. I think it's one of these

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things that it doesn't flow. It's
tough because you can't watch it on its

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own, so it doesn't work that
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you're watching it as a continuation,
it really doesn't work. It feels very

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sped up. It feels where we
left off, and not even some of

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them mute and stuff. Just in
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apes. It's a big escalation and
it's weird. There's some stuff they bring

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up here, like there's the apes
and grills, infighting, they have these

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the monkeys actually at one point some
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Change. It's just like there's signs
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the way like I thought they would
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first movie and all the signs they
were point towards, no pin tam of

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the signs. But it just feel
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a more natural course where this is
a complete one eighty. This is going

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off a cliff. I don't really
understand it. And that's why this movie

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in its sense is still not good. The actions like kind of messy and

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rush not the first great action,
but there's just like multiple times where people

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getting shot and there's no blood anywhere, and it's just like this was a

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successful, big movie, but we
talked about I'll talk about too. Uh

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there was a reason why. Also, like some of the monkeys, they

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don't look as good as the first
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towards that. So yeah, it's
just it's a messy movie. It feels

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rushed. It really wanted Charlton Heston
back for the full thing, and it

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doesn't get it. So like he
closes the movie and he ends the movie

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like it's like he's not our main
character, but they sure frame him that

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way. And uh, yeah,
Like I'm trying to think of positive positives.

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I got stories about Heston coming back. I don't think he like phoned

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it in. He's not in it
too much. I don't think he like

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phoned it in. Like I said, some of those kind of infighting between

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apes. But I don't really have
much here. This is a tough one,

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and like I said, this was
one even as a kid. I

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did not watch much. I always
just jumped to concord or escape after this.

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I usually never watched this one because
there's not there's not much. It's

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just like a lesser than virgin thrown
in with some heavy like like I'm curious

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how much cocaine these people have had
when they're doing this movie, because I

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just don't I don't see the natural
evolution from plan the Apes to Beneath.

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It is a complete mess. And
I'm excited to talk about because there's many

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times that I'm just like, what
was going on here? Like what what

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was the thinking? And yeah,
it's it's undescribable. It feels like one

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of those movies we read when you
read a sequel and it got cancer,

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like oh yeah, good thing that
sounded like it was awful, but it's

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like made it through again, there's
a reason made it through. I'll get

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to it. In the trivia.
They were having some budgetary issues, like

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just over all the companies. That's
why they're pushing movies that they thought could

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make a profit on. So yeah, I'm not a fan of this movie,

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not even in like a nostalgia I
think if I were to if we

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were to watch it all together in
the room, we'd have a great time.

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But that's the example of watching with
the group of people, watching alone

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and watching alone. Man, do
I feel alone watching this piece of shit?

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So yeah, not for me,
but I'm excited to talk about you

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guys because there's quite a few ridiculous
things. So he said you were curious,

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but the faces of the people and
the writers were probably like this when

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they when they got that final draft. The studio came here hot for a

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good reason. Yeah, this was
a very very strange one because obviously i'd

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like, just coming off that first
episode that we did, you were kind

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of warning me about the quality,
like the dish. I I definitely have

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seen this. I I didn't think
I had, but like back in the

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day on the VDHS collection, I
must have just seen them all and just

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kind of memories. Forget the people, but there was many many hitting points

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and like certain characters that I totally
remember, like as soon as I saw

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them. So although like I did
see it before, I feel like I

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still was just shocked with certain events
that came. And uh, yeah,

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this was such a perplexing film because
like I really really enjoyed that first one.

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I thought what they did with just
yeah, like the concepts of the

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apes treating the human like that was
just so interesting and coming to this one,

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although I had low expectations, I
just was absolutely shocked of like where

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we actually went with the plot in
this It really just felt like like a

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really really really bad fan fiction.
But like they still had like the actors

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and characters and like the props from
the first movie, so it was like

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almost like Star Wars Christmas Special,
you know, where they had like all

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the actors back, but it's like, what is actually going on on screen?

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This is just so strange to put
two and two together, And that's

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really how this one felt, because
it just seems like you said, a

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lesser than version of the first one. I just feel like this is a

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completely different film that they really have
like probably less than ten minutes of actual

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like the society aspect of Planet of
the Planet of the Apes, and like,

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yeah, it just seems like they
didn't they weren't like like they didn't

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even go through the events of the
first movie other than that opening like five

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minute sequence. It was just it
was really really separated, and I just

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had such a hard time getting through
this movie, even though it was so

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much short, or sorry, so
much shorter. I remember I just like

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paused it. Later in the film
there was like seventeen minutes left. I'm

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like, are you fucking serious?
Like, how did I get to the

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end here. It's just I was
in this weird, psychologic, psychedelic state

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of just watching this movie. Just
it was so strange. It was I

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was definitely laughing out loud. But
it was not as fun of experience of

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the first movie. I was,
because, yeah, it's very lonely filmed

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to be watching alone where it's like
the first movie when I like, I

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watched that one alone and I just
felt like I was having a good time.

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I was totally engaged. But this
one it had me head squatch sketches

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head scratching multiple times squatch. But
I definitely echo what you said. It

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was just like as soon as it
started, of like the ending of the

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last film, I feel like that
was kind of like my peak of interest

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because I'm just remembering that first movie
and then we have a recreation of like

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Taylor part. I almost thought it
was like a dream sequence that this is

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just like a different Tellian of these
cares because he even looked like the actor

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looks very similar to even the apes
or like Taylor's back, and that's and

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that's why I like, yeah,
you're right where it's not the whole movie's

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a lesson, it's just that first
half an hour because it's like it's the

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same. Then will go over like
them landing and find the apes he looks

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like Heston and like, no,
I'll find the actor's name because I can't

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remember who it is. But like, no disrespecting him Franciscus or something like

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that, James Franciscus, Like no, like, no disrespect to him.

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I don't even think he's I don't
think he's bad in here. I think

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he's just given a task to be
Charles Heston like, and you can't,

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you can't, you can't. Yeah, I'm trying, you can't. He

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Charlton Heston is so charismatic that even
that this guy is like has chrisma,

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it feels like he has none of
it because like you're just like there's something

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about like we said before, there's
something about Taylor in that movie where he's

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not a great guy, but you're
still rooting for him, and it's just

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like it's a it's a very Jack
Nicholson asked for there's something about him where

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this it's like you get time to
you learn less about this guy than you

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did with Taylor. And he's alone. He doesn't have his first buddy dies

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just like right away, so it's
like he has more time alone. He

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doesn't want to conserve the water and
stuff. But yeah, it's just tough

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because I feel like I don't think
he's bad, it's just it's they they

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just made a proto toop just they
just it's like they're read for Hesson.

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He's like, no, I I'd
rather just do like ten minutes like,

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okay, well, who else do
we got? We'll get this guy.

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He looks a lot like and we'll
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later. The fucking weirdest I've never
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it today. I had to pause
because why is Charlton Heston so much bigger

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than Thistor? This looks like Chorlton
Hessen with his son, and like I'm

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telling you, people like the way
they like I'm telling you. And this

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is a photo on film, it
looks even crazier in full screen. I

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saw him like towers over like look
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like he's about to pick up this
small child, like oh dad, Like

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I could not believe how much bigger
Psston was and I'm like, oh my

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god, just baby baby Brant right
there, and like before it takes my

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favorite thing is like bigg it's because
he went missing, so Brent would think

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like Taylor is famous. But when
he gets in jail cell he's like Taylor

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and then Taylor tuns Are, He's
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I get every turn they cut this
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important, but you know, yeah, what can you do? What can

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you do? Taylor? What do
you feel about this? Uh? First

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of all, I guess, yeah, had you seen this movie before?

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Beneath the play on the apes?
And now what are you thinking of it?

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Oh? Yeah, I've seen I've
I've seen all of them before,

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and this this one just maybe someone's
first episode, you know this one,

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idiot? What would yes? This? It's like meis this one? I

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like the I like everything up until
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That's pretty much you like everything.
So you're finally like, I'm totally

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okay with it being similar in certain
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I guess, uh in retrospect now
when you when you mentioned all those

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things, it totally is a carbon
copy and some degrees and uh yeah,

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but if they land, someone dies, he meets nova, they get captured.

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Cornelis and Zero again are shocked that
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just met, like you couldn't talk, Like, like, Cornelius, how

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long has it been since then since
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It's not like it's been years where
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absolutely, I love that because like
the pure shock, like the human

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has never spoken, like when in
their their time, and all of a

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sudden one speaks like, oh my
god, this is crazy, and all

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of a sudden another one speaks.
He shows up wearing alien clothes. But

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they knew. But the other two
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it, didn't hear him talk,
but they knew. They got lo bottomized

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and like they knew that they I
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Cornelius and Zero do that. I
think that was like they could assume they

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saw their fucking Oh look there's my
buddy up there. And then but I

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don't fucking cut up. But knew
and she she was like, oh,

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like quiet, they knew that they
could fucking talk. But it would have

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been different though, because I mean, look how they tried with Taylor in

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comparison, I feel like that was
okay. They talked, and Zias was

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like, okay, just fucking lobottomize
these guys before they get out to the

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public, or at least we know
now to the gorillas, Like if you

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talk by the gorillas, the grillas
just they'll do shit to you and like

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no one else, So yeah,
that's off. Yeah, throw big fucking

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boulders back and forth. They'll put
you on a horse and just met you

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for no reason. I get.
I get why the grills are the leader

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because they're shrink, but like in
this movie, they definitely show why they

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should not be, like leading the
army decisions. You know, they shoot

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and I just love what's his name? YenS No, No, like he

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knows what it is. He's like, no, don't do that, like

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you can't leave a clip in it. I'm pretty sure he like says that

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too. He's just stuck with these
fucking idiot gorillas. You're just like trying

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to stink themselves. But yeah,
I've never really grown to like the back

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half. When they get into the
subway. I think it's cool to go

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into the subway. I like that's
that piece. But then just you have

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this advanced dystopian human civilization that's down
there that's very psychic based. I don't

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enjoy that, And I don't like
how it all concludes with them just launching

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the nuke. I think that's where
it gets really down the dumps for me.

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I really like brand I like seeing
another human show up. I like

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seeing him with like the spaceship and
then knowing like, okay, they went

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to pursue and we get a little
backstory on the fact that there's like this

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time slip that they went into,
and that sets the pace for the next

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film, which I definitely enjoy that
one more than this one, Like you,

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Travis, but you have if we
weren't retroing it. For the most

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part, I feel like I just
watched the first half with Brent just doing

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what he's doing, trying to find
Taylor. I do I really, Yeah,

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what's the part when you turn it
off? Like, what's the endpoint

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probably as soon as great guys like
no, no, probably when the guy's

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like my god and like because he's
praying to the nuke and like Brent's like,

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with the fuck's wrong with this guy? It just ends or even too

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like if you don't because you don't
see the psychic people yet, So when

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Brent just starts fucking drowning nova,
you're like, what the fuck is going

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on? Like it just really dark
ending. Men are bad men are How's

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anyone supposed to follow that? Because
you don't know about the psychic people yet.

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That's why you watched the whole movie
you have you literally have to cut

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it off of the subway. So
then it's the exact same thing because same

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thing they do the fucking that's our
sorry for this guy. They do the

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same ending of Planets one where they
find a landmark and he's like I used

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to live in my own dum you, but they don't. He doesn't get

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that hester and like oh, like
he's just like I worked dear with my

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friends. Like he's just like he's
saying shit, It's like I just want

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to Taylor, like can we find
him? Like come on? But like

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they literally that's the best spart ended
then is when he gets the subway and

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it's just another bleak ending. He
literally just watched another white Man land and

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find out that he's on the planet
that that used to be Earth, and

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then he ended there like the ending
of this movie, though, I'm so

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confused on how we're gonna be getting
to the third movie importantly, just the

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Earth paradox Duke, Oh yeah,
spoilers was on VHS. Well, she's

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on VHS. Yeah, but it
well explain, you know, and all

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it's snake eating its own tail and
stuff like that. But of course,

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yeah, of course, but I
think that's where you ended him in the

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subway, That's where I ended.
Yeah, everyone watched this again because that's

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just he discovers that it's Earth,
and that's the same thing as the first

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movie. He discovers Earth, right, and it just ends. It doesn't

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end with like, oh they was
gonna go back and kill the apes.

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Yeah, it's the exact same,
just rolls like they could have made this

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into two films, because it definitely
is. It's rushed. I would have

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taken a film of I would have
loved the full film of brench just landing

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and just seeing like what the fuck's
going on? And like more extended time

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with him and Taylor and just that
kind of partnership going Onston. This is

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as much as they could get,
Haston. They were lucky he agreed to

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this, and then I can't.
I think I have because I did Trivia

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a while back. He donated his
whole his whole pace sub charity, so

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he didn't even like really want Yeah, I'll try and find out before we

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go, because I know we're gonna
talk about Hessen a lot. So you

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have to make me massive though.
That's my one condition. Give me these

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stilts and everything like that. Here
we go, So he donated salary charity.

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Charlton Heston was reluctant reprise the role, of believing that tita struggles were

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what drove the first movie, and
that the story had already reached its conclusion,

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which he was right. A sequel, in his opinion, would be

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a lackluster of venture Bunks Monkeys.
He eventually agreed to appear on one condition

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that his scenes had to be shot
within two week period. He also insisted

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that Taylor had to be killed.
He had to agree to a compromise in

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which he disappeared in the beginning of
the film and reappear at the end.

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Hessen claims the documentary that he personally
suggest ending, why don't I just set

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off the bomb, destroy the world
and that's the end of sequels. So

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that was his idea that he wanted
to die, and he thought he was

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trying to But yeah, so he
I don't know why they did get him

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back, and good for him.
He donated, as you know, sorry

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to do a good cause. But
it sounded like they had to really talk

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him into doing this. So you
were never gonna get like the Brenton Taylor

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movie. That was never gonna happen. This is as much screen time as

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you get Heston. Yeah, that
one flashback that cracks me up because he's

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just he's just a horny bugger because
he's there with nobody. He's like,

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why don't we just sell here and
make some kids and our kids will talk,

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We'll just have a new colony or
whatever. Like, yeah, he's

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just ready to go. Those flashbacks
when when Brent is like Taylor Taylor and

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you just have like Charlton Heston's face
just like pop up. You looked so

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much more ape than he did in
the first film. I swear they're like

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trying to morphone. That's probably why
it's so large in comparison to Brent.

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When those do meet again. Well, and now we'll just get in the

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review of the movie. So if
you haven't seen it, y'all will watch

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it. If not, whatever,
But so we we'll get back to Brent

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because we'll talk about them. But
yeah, with Heston, we get these

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flashbacks, that's what happened. He's
in a couple flashbacks at the beginning,

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and the he's at the very end, and that's where she's like even watching

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the first movie, I know they
set up this forbidden zone. But for

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to Be, we get the five
minutes with him the like the end of

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the movie. Then we meet Brent, and then we get some more time

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with Taylor and for him and No
would just be riding their horse and all

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of a sudden, just a gigantic
wall of fire just shoots up, and

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like at least early on, you
know, okay, we're in for something,

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but it's just like what was the
what was? And I know we're

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gonna get what happens at the end. I know why it happens, but

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just like, why was that the
idea to have all these big things and

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then my least fair, not my
least, it's sill immunes. But what

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I hate get Taylor gets off this
horse, this horse, he gets off

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this horse, He gets off this
horse. One he tells, no,

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Hey, if I don't come back, go find Zero, Who's just like

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why she's gonna go back to the
ape like human slave city? Like no,

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like that terrible advice to give her. I know that your friend,

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I had no fucking idea what he
was saying to I must say, like

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Nova, throw this entire film.
She had no idea what anyone was like

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trying to tell she was this one
Zerra and she's just like fucking tree.

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She does speak last week. That
was terrifying. I fucking hate Nova as

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a side character. Though I didn't
mind her in the first movie, but

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in this one, it was just
so much worse because I feel like they

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try to boost her up to do
so much more and she like she's literally

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just like a blank face, and
so many moments of this movie they're like

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trying to get her to two things. She's just like she's a fucking like

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Neanderthal, Like she just can't think
straight. So yeah, it's there but

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like Brent like trying to commune with
her, and then he just like,

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gta is the car, like whatever, I'm just gonna up on with you.

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That'd be so terrifying if like she
was in that situation she thinks it's

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another tailor. Yeah it looks like
act like him. But so my one

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of my least pheromones I'll just say
that is he gets up the horse,

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Yeah, go find her if I
don't come back, okay, cool.

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And then he he walks up to
a wall and then he has his gun

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and he goes to it or not
a wall, it's like a big mountain

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side of mountain. He picks up
the gun, goes it. When he

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hits it, he just does a
summersault and be here and like, I'm

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sorry, just even in sense,
like what was his plan just to go

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hit the mountain with his gun?
Like even if it's just a mountain,

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what was supposed to do? Like
this is the best that come up?

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What if he fucking like goes it
hit the mound and he disappears right into

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it like oh and lissens in the
room like this, he would have been

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a great scroll leader. But like
I just like I don't understand. They

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would have just been better to say
he went missing. They did not need

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to attacking. And he don't even
show the end of the first movie just

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like started with like nova on the
horse, and then it's like they can

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even have like a narrator or something
say that Taylor would missing, like just

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go with that. I knew that, like obviously you guys were warning me

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that he was much minor role person
coming to this one. But when I

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saw his name, it's like tenth
on the casting whatever on like at the

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start of the movie, and then
that scene happens, It's like, oh

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my god, Okay, yeah,
that's how they get like this. I

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figured he was gonna come up at
the end, but yeah, I just

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laughed out loud. He just does
a summersault and then Alva's just leaves.

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I would love it if there was
a version's movie where that was it.

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Like they never like address it either. They don't even like see the mutants.

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He just disappeared through the mountain.
Got me for an hour. I

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like it. Let's do this summersault, all right, Tay. What do

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you think about Taylor's first disappearance in
this Oh God? Like in retrospect,

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like him just being gone, for
not having this much screen time, and

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it's it actually is surprising that when
I think about it, and that's not

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something I thought about before. But
like his first disappearance, like when it's

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just Nova shows up on the horse, when you see Brent your I was

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always when, Okay, where the
fuck did Taylor go? Like they didn't

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really explain that, but of course, like you said earlier, just got

406
00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:30,039
to keep watching to kind of see
what's going on. The practical effects are

407
00:26:30,039 --> 00:26:33,720
not practical. The special effects always
cracking out the actually and you want me

408
00:26:33,799 --> 00:26:41,599
to what the wall of fire,
the lightning and all that kind of that's

409
00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:47,920
pretty crazy. Yeah, but it's
all just psychological, right, It's not

410
00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:52,039
really it's not really there, as
we learn later on. So at the

411
00:26:52,079 --> 00:26:53,559
moment, I'm like, this is
why it's the Forbidden Zone. Holy fuck,

412
00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:59,960
this is fire out of nowhere.
Yeah, like almost I would retrospective,

413
00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:03,559
I would take just a for bin
zone having like massive crazy weather storms

414
00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:12,000
versus there's a fucking mune underground being
like like projecting this image. I just

415
00:27:12,039 --> 00:27:15,759
want to see the fucking the cut
of all these people staring at the cameras

416
00:27:15,759 --> 00:27:22,240
for like four minutes doing nothing.
But yeah, let's just talk about that

417
00:27:22,279 --> 00:27:25,039
because we were just jumping around and
we'll get back to Brent. We're gonna

418
00:27:25,039 --> 00:27:27,680
get there because that's that's to me, that's too interesting and everything like that.

419
00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:33,319
It's the most interesting thing is that
shot I talked about earlier. So

420
00:27:33,319 --> 00:27:37,480
so uh Brant he ends up.
They're going for bin Zone. They're trying

421
00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:40,400
to find Taylor. The apes are
also going there, like we'll tell all

422
00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:42,440
the stuff and it's gonna land this
big thing. Uh brand gets like in

423
00:27:42,519 --> 00:27:47,960
the subway station. They find out
again, oh I used to him and

424
00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:52,640
Nova are drinking again. They do
a shot exactly like the first movie where

425
00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:55,799
it looks like she's going down on
Brent. Like remember that movie where like

426
00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:59,519
Hesmo stand the two dudes are down. Then the shot where like his cock

427
00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:03,480
was like yeah that his cock was
like camera bottom level and that's where the

428
00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:06,400
water was coming up, and nobody
just goes down. I'm like they just

429
00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:08,839
I gotta look out for that in
Escape. But and then all of a

430
00:28:08,839 --> 00:28:12,319
sudden, he starts to choker.
We hear like the Sireen. It's like

431
00:28:12,319 --> 00:28:17,160
like that going on. He starts
a choker and then he stops choking her,

432
00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:21,440
and then they keep going further into
these concaves, and then they just

433
00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:25,519
find these people that are like they
I don't know, terrible outfits, but

434
00:28:25,519 --> 00:28:29,599
their dresses, I don't know how
you would describe them. Full white bodysuits,

435
00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:33,440
some capes. They got these head
gear, so they all have the

436
00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:38,279
power of Charles Xavier. I don't, like, let's just start there.

437
00:28:38,319 --> 00:28:41,960
Are they trying to I always say, are they insinuating that, like nuclear

438
00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:45,519
war in the past gave them these
powers, like it made them fucked up

439
00:28:45,559 --> 00:28:48,799
looking, but it gave them this. I don't think they ever like try

440
00:28:48,839 --> 00:28:52,720
to get you to ask that question. I think it's just these these are

441
00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:56,119
like underground mutants that worship this nuke
and they just have telekinesis. That's just

442
00:28:56,160 --> 00:28:59,400
the world that we're living in.
Because like and they're wearing fake skin,

443
00:28:59,519 --> 00:29:04,920
remember, which like why why why
are they wearing these these fake faces?

444
00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:08,319
But they all look like that?
Why? Yeah they all look like that.

445
00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:11,400
Yeah, they all look like that, And like it's not like they're

446
00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:14,720
seeing outsiders that they're trying to like
hide their appearance. I don't really,

447
00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:18,599
I really don't know what that explanation
was they're that horrified with each other.

448
00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:22,200
Like well, even like the like
the prayer or the song that they do

449
00:29:22,279 --> 00:29:26,079
in their little chanting session, they
like mention about like beauty or something.

450
00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:30,160
It was very very strange, very
very strange. Yeah, they're all appalled

451
00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:33,880
by each other's appearances. Yeah,
it seems because even the kids are like

452
00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:36,359
that too. The kids are all
fucked up and everything. Yeah, like

453
00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:38,519
it's it's not terrible, Yeah,
Taylor, what do you do? You

454
00:29:38,519 --> 00:29:41,640
have any theories about how they are
the way they are, because it's a

455
00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:45,160
strange to me. It's a very
strange thing where you go from the first

456
00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:49,839
movie where it's very caveman era esque, right, like we have some guns,

457
00:29:49,839 --> 00:29:53,039
but other than that, it's like
hieroglyphics, some horses. People are

458
00:29:53,079 --> 00:29:56,680
living in stonehouses. They're all using
you know, sticks, some netting,

459
00:29:56,720 --> 00:30:00,240
but it's not the twenty first century, twentieth century even. And then you

460
00:30:00,319 --> 00:30:03,160
jump to the complete difference where there's
a new underground. But then you also

461
00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:07,839
have like X Men level characters here
that are around with the apes with like

462
00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:11,880
the corny spacemen like yeah, like
metallic o. It like they're like the

463
00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:17,000
thirtieth century people. You know,
like remember last time when we ran the

464
00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:19,039
trivia that they want at one point
the city to be high tech, and

465
00:30:19,079 --> 00:30:22,960
everyone like, no, that's a
bad idea that like whoever had the idea

466
00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:23,920
had got it in the sequel,
like, but what if the people,

467
00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:27,079
what if they're high tech? You
know you liked that idea, you didn't

468
00:30:27,079 --> 00:30:30,759
want to get rid of it.
No, Like I I feel like two

469
00:30:30,839 --> 00:30:34,039
thousand years is long enough for humans
to get to this point where they could

470
00:30:34,039 --> 00:30:37,599
do some some brain stuff. In
two thousand years of evolutionists, it's a

471
00:30:37,759 --> 00:30:44,359
long time, but for to explain
their awful conditions though. You see the

472
00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:47,920
look of them ugly, Yeah,
well that was part. That's the next

473
00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:52,799
part of this, Like the the
looks of them. I would definitely maybe

474
00:30:52,799 --> 00:30:56,039
attribute the more to something nuclear that's
kind of yeah, leading to this kind

475
00:30:56,079 --> 00:31:00,480
of followed with the other look and
probably attributed to their ability of these as

476
00:31:00,519 --> 00:31:03,480
well, instead of it just being
oh, two thousand years of evolution to

477
00:31:03,559 --> 00:31:10,519
this point, you put that theory
not us. That's what I initially would

478
00:31:10,519 --> 00:31:18,640
have looked at it as. But
so like survivors of like the that's how

479
00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:22,000
I would see it because you have
Yeah, you have the humans on the

480
00:31:22,039 --> 00:31:25,440
surface and you have the humans down
here. But then in the later sequels

481
00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:30,119
that you can kind of see well
maybe I don't know, it's tricky.

482
00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:33,519
They kind of touch upon it in
the later sequels, just like different remnants

483
00:31:33,519 --> 00:31:36,200
of human beings, I guess you
could say, but it's I don't think

484
00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:40,119
they ever go back to here though. I think everybody, everybody decided this

485
00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:44,599
was a mistake, Like I I
will fail the new movie if it comes

486
00:31:44,599 --> 00:31:48,200
down. There's fucking like I don't
need yeah, in Kingdom. I don't

487
00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:51,119
need these fucking guys in Kingdom or
anything else. And like, I don't

488
00:31:51,119 --> 00:31:53,640
think they've ever returned to it in
comics. Like I think like this is

489
00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:59,920
a concept that has just been just
disregarded by everybody because it just it just

490
00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:04,440
me goes against everything that I even
just say, the fact of how many

491
00:32:04,519 --> 00:32:06,759
humans there are down there, whatever
you want to call them, right,

492
00:32:06,799 --> 00:32:09,119
the fact that apes like it is
a whole there's at least like dozens of

493
00:32:09,119 --> 00:32:13,279
dozen. There's like thirty six people
down there. And I love the idea

494
00:32:13,319 --> 00:32:16,720
of Taylor landing there and him being
this only you know, above all the

495
00:32:16,759 --> 00:32:20,319
other species humans and the rest of
the people he's trying to help, but

496
00:32:20,319 --> 00:32:22,279
it can't really because, like we
talked about, no over, there's some

497
00:32:22,319 --> 00:32:25,200
issues, so that's like there's some
specialty there. But and again I never

498
00:32:25,319 --> 00:32:28,920
think of this movie when I watch
play the Apes. I just disregard that.

499
00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:30,880
I think as what if, but
like to think, like, oh,

500
00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:32,319
no, there's actually a bunch of
people there, and not only it's

501
00:32:32,519 --> 00:32:35,839
I think they take down the apes
because it's like, oh, not only

502
00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:38,160
are the people there are people with
superpowers. So it's like, right when

503
00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:40,960
you thought the apes were the best
species, actually know these people all have

504
00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:44,440
superpowers and a nuke. So it's
just like, yeah, I feel like

505
00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:46,440
it takes the apes down as well
too, And I just that's what it

506
00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:50,039
was. That's what I was saying
earlier, where it seems like the actual

507
00:32:50,039 --> 00:32:52,960
plant of the ape stuff is like
ten minutes of this movie. And like,

508
00:32:52,079 --> 00:32:55,160
I don't even want to say like
all of this movie is complete shit,

509
00:32:55,200 --> 00:33:00,240
because I feel like there is some
scenes that I mean, if I

510
00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:01,279
didn't have them in the first movie, it seemed like they could have been

511
00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:05,160
placed there and I would have enjoyed
it. Like this, like the chase

512
00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:09,160
scene with the with the Grill is
chasing Brent and Nova, or when they're

513
00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:13,519
in like the cage and there's like
that Indiana Jones type sequence, or he

514
00:33:13,599 --> 00:33:15,359
like gets out of the cage takes
out the Grill. Like those are good

515
00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:20,400
sequences. I like that stuff in
here, But then it just seemed like

516
00:33:20,559 --> 00:33:23,039
most of the focus was getting us
to the mutants, and then when we're

517
00:33:23,079 --> 00:33:27,359
there, it's just like a human
conflict, human versus human and then the

518
00:33:27,359 --> 00:33:30,960
Grillas are like outside just about to
get nuked or shoot the nuke because they're

519
00:33:31,359 --> 00:33:37,599
too too dumb to realize. But
I feel like that was the most egregious

520
00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:39,279
thing for me, not even them, like recreating the beginning, like I

521
00:33:39,799 --> 00:33:44,480
feel like I was fine with that
to a certain extent. But yeah,

522
00:33:44,519 --> 00:33:47,200
once we got to the subway station, and I agree with you, Taylor,

523
00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:52,720
I did like the actual set piece
of that because when I was thinking

524
00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:53,640
like beneath the planet of the Apes, I did not think that it was

525
00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:57,480
going to be like an old earthy
type thing that they're going through, like

526
00:33:57,480 --> 00:34:00,079
a subway system. I don't know
why. I just figured like caves or

527
00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:02,400
something. I like, I get, I just had no idea what to

528
00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:06,359
expect. Then susp're in here.
I'm like, okay, I definitely remember

529
00:34:06,359 --> 00:34:09,320
this. I remember the sequence.
I remember I'm joking out Nova. So

530
00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:14,559
yeah, I really really didn't like
that decision, and that was this whole

531
00:34:14,559 --> 00:34:17,480
movie. So little hint for my
overall thoughts, I guess for the movie.

532
00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:21,599
And like, I don't know what
the deal is with these mutes.

533
00:34:21,639 --> 00:34:24,719
They don't hurt anybody, but they're
just gonna each other. Yeah, it's

534
00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:29,480
like the hat's stupid. They have
this nuke that they may or may not

535
00:34:29,559 --> 00:34:32,599
shoot of, just like like there, I don't know what is their conflict

536
00:34:32,599 --> 00:34:36,199
with the apes really like, but
the apes don't know they're there, so

537
00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:38,079
there's not much of a conflict until
like the last little bit. I do

538
00:34:38,159 --> 00:34:42,239
appreciate that apes don't really give a
fuck this human talks. They get shocked

539
00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:45,239
with them and they just shoot them
down. Like I like that the apes.

540
00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:47,440
The gorillas have like a no give
fuck your attitude now when it comes

541
00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:52,320
to the ball other stuff. Maybe
not the smartest, but I just don't

542
00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:58,960
know. And they're just like the
preencoes. Can I hope we leave tonight

543
00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:01,239
and when the guys goes well,
you can always hope. And it's just

544
00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:05,480
like he's like, but you know
too much now, But it's like what

545
00:35:05,519 --> 00:35:09,400
did he know? Like what Like
he's gonna go to the apes and he's

546
00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:14,119
gonna say, we met some people
down there and they have mind control maybe,

547
00:35:14,119 --> 00:35:15,000
but like if they just believe them, they're gonna kill him on the

548
00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:20,280
bottom eyes like the steaks that the
mute people have, None of it makes

549
00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:22,239
sense. I just feels like they're
trying to make them be mysterious for the

550
00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:25,159
fake of being the sake of being
mysterious. You know, there's nothing,

551
00:35:25,719 --> 00:35:30,559
no steaks really there. I don't
and also too, like how long have

552
00:35:30,599 --> 00:35:32,920
they been down there? Because technically, like I guess, I feel like

553
00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:36,679
are their skins like that because of
the nuke or are they trying to Probably

554
00:35:36,679 --> 00:35:38,239
they've been down there a long long
time. So these kids that they've had,

555
00:35:38,559 --> 00:35:43,920
why these kids have the skin you
would like the semen would, yeah,

556
00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:49,000
I guess be down there for a
while, just reproducing like generation of

557
00:35:49,159 --> 00:35:52,320
generations, so like they just would
look the same. This is how these

558
00:35:52,519 --> 00:35:54,440
But I'm I'm trying, I guess
I'm just trying to say, like if

559
00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:59,440
a burn victim has a child,
the child doesn't look like a burn victim.

560
00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:02,280
But I would say that these are
necessarily like equivalent to that. I

561
00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:05,360
would say, like, are we
saying they got affected by the nuke?

562
00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:08,360
I'm thinking, like, I'm not
saying they're affected by the nuke. I

563
00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:12,320
think maybe they've just they've lived down
there. They haven't obviously gone to the

564
00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:16,280
surface ever, so it's just they've
changed down there. What do they change?

565
00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:20,000
Could have happened, like I don't
know what thousand years ago too,

566
00:36:20,119 --> 00:36:23,639
right, Yeah, totally. I
guess what they eat. I guess like

567
00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:28,159
the drink they pee, I guess, and they everything comes from the nuke.

568
00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:32,280
They eat the nuke, the nuke. Yeah, I found it so

569
00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:36,800
like again like they're just trying to
go for this mystery aspect, but like

570
00:36:37,119 --> 00:36:40,239
why are they doing this telekinesis conversation
with Brent? And then like they do

571
00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:44,880
a very long, just stupid conversation
where like us the viewer, it's just

572
00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:47,199
Brent like talking to himself and then
they all just talk anyways. It's like,

573
00:36:47,239 --> 00:36:50,679
what the fuck was the point of
that other than just trying to capture

574
00:36:50,679 --> 00:36:52,559
that. I guess it's like it's
a ship on him, Like, oh,

575
00:36:52,599 --> 00:36:54,639
you're pathetic intelligence. They said it's
like, oh, you're not smart

576
00:36:54,719 --> 00:36:58,679
enough to understand this. We'll start, we'll speak in the most basic form

577
00:36:58,719 --> 00:37:01,639
ever and they I just hate the
sequence of him, just like I know

578
00:37:01,639 --> 00:37:06,000
who I am. I'm an astronaut. And then it's like a pause and

579
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:13,360
then they just do this like weird
look thing. It's just fuck Like I

580
00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:15,039
wasn't even like laughing in those moments. It was just like, what the

581
00:37:15,079 --> 00:37:19,400
fuck am I watching here? That's
the point where I had the reverse where

582
00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:21,840
I paused. I's like, how
much is left? Like it was like

583
00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:28,079
forty five minutes because I I remember. What I remember is they get there,

584
00:37:28,159 --> 00:37:30,239
this reveal happens. They throw them
the jail right away, and then

585
00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:32,440
they get out. But there's a
lot of like them with the god stuff,

586
00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:36,800
and yeah, that conversation with the
mutes goes on a lot longer because

587
00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:38,559
they're like asking him what he knows
about the apes. But it's just like

588
00:37:38,599 --> 00:37:42,960
why do you care you telling it? Like like what, like I just

589
00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:46,960
don't understand, like what is the
com I get the Apes conflict. I

590
00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:51,440
still think they jump huge from the
last movie. I get that some people

591
00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:53,480
did see a human talk, but
I feel like it escalated really quickly too.

592
00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:57,639
We're gonna cover everything up to we're
going to fucking war, We're going

593
00:37:57,719 --> 00:38:00,400
for bin Zone, and we're gonna
kill everything there. It's like I didn't

594
00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:01,840
get that sense from the first movie
that's what the apes were gonna do.

595
00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:06,440
I thought it was gonna be more
just like conspiracy theory, like let's hide

596
00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:08,920
all the in phone just move on
from this. But that Gorilla Captain found

597
00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:12,880
out and he was just ready to
just raise hell. And like you said,

598
00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:15,599
there's not much with the apes,
unfortunately, but he didn't know what

599
00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:16,760
was there, right, He's just
like, hey, we got evidence to

600
00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:20,360
say that there's something out there,
and we're just we're just gonna train or

601
00:38:20,519 --> 00:38:22,599
just go fuck it up. Yeah. No, I know, I know

602
00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:24,719
it's not they think the munes are
out there, but I just didn't take

603
00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:29,440
the apes and characters we met.
I know we didn't meet all these apes,

604
00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:31,320
but I just didn't take the ones
we met last time that would want

605
00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:35,320
to go into the forbin Zone.
I felt like most people were very scared

606
00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:37,719
of it. So I guess the
idea that there could be people out there

607
00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:40,920
is what's driving them. But it
just felt a very feels like we're missing

608
00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:45,079
some scenes there or some plot points
of why they're trying to get out,

609
00:38:45,159 --> 00:38:47,840
like go to the Forbin Zone.
I guess it's just a hunt down Taylor

610
00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:51,519
and his tribe. They must thinks
out there. And like I said,

611
00:38:51,559 --> 00:38:53,400
all the motivations other than Brentz,
which just makes sense if he's trying to

612
00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:58,679
find Taylor, we are very muddled. They didn't even talk about really him.

613
00:38:58,719 --> 00:39:02,880
Take Taylor being there focal point because
we get that very steamy scene of

614
00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:12,400
Zias and uh like General Ursus in
the in the sauna together. Just use

615
00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:15,920
yeah, the bath house. So
they're talking and that's when you learn,

616
00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:19,360
Okay, it's not really about Taylor
anymore. It's this general gorilla guy wants

617
00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:22,400
to go to the Forbidden Zone.
Wants to because he's got he's losing men

618
00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:25,159
out there, wants to get out
there and see what's stakes going out there,

619
00:39:25,199 --> 00:39:29,440
Like Jesus, I thought there were
some scare girls up there for a

620
00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:32,079
reason, like we had the photo
here, like and I guess that's what

621
00:39:32,239 --> 00:39:37,079
strange is in the first movie to
make it sound like like Zira has gone

622
00:39:37,119 --> 00:39:40,000
there and Cornelius, but Cornelius revealed
that he had went there. And then

623
00:39:40,079 --> 00:39:44,440
came back and say anything. But
this just makes it sounds like gorillas are

624
00:39:44,519 --> 00:39:47,280
just like you know, the beginning
of Grinch Jim Carrey one. Like that's

625
00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:53,079
that makes them like the apes are
doing creatures. Yeah, and the Munes

626
00:39:53,079 --> 00:39:58,599
are like we got you. But
even like, so, why why are

627
00:39:58,599 --> 00:40:01,440
the Munes like throwing fire up?
Well, they just don't want them to

628
00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:06,840
find them, like it's all deterrence. So you're so, I guess are

629
00:40:07,119 --> 00:40:09,159
these other apes that have gone missing
they also saw the fire and they're like,

630
00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:14,480
fuck it, let's keep going.
I guess it just yeah, I

631
00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:15,880
don't know, that's that's what happened, right, And they just kept going

632
00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:20,559
the opposite direction of where they came
from and then they just get lost in

633
00:40:20,599 --> 00:40:23,440
the desert somewhere. Yeah, it's
just a weird. It doesn't make any

634
00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:27,559
sense. Yeah, no, I
agree. I'm trying to play Devil's advocate.

635
00:40:27,559 --> 00:40:30,559
But like even there, even though
they're deterrent for the girl, when

636
00:40:30,599 --> 00:40:36,119
the gorillas are close and they have
this like what is it called the Lawmaker,

637
00:40:36,280 --> 00:40:37,960
and it's just like bleeding out of
its eyes and just doing these things

638
00:40:38,039 --> 00:40:42,440
like keep them away, and it
does not work because the grills, just

639
00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:45,760
like, go check it out.
Oh look, nothing's nothing's going on here.

640
00:40:45,880 --> 00:40:49,760
I feel like they could have done
a lot better of a maybe a

641
00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:52,840
play to try and deter them from
from what they decided. I don't know

642
00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:57,320
it was. I just really not
a fan of the Mutants at all.

643
00:40:57,480 --> 00:41:00,559
They just don't make sense. Don't
like the menu. He don't like the

644
00:41:00,639 --> 00:41:04,519
end of what happened the with the
nuke actually going off. Didn't like the

645
00:41:04,519 --> 00:41:07,960
whole church sequence that seemed like it
was a twenty minute moment. It was

646
00:41:08,039 --> 00:41:10,159
like an hour and a half.
Yeah, when it was like an hour

647
00:41:10,159 --> 00:41:14,199
and a half movie. And then
I love it too because it was like

648
00:41:14,280 --> 00:41:17,039
super super long, like very very
long, at least it felt like for

649
00:41:17,119 --> 00:41:20,440
me. And then as soon as
it ends, it goes like the one

650
00:41:20,519 --> 00:41:23,159
mutant character talking to Brent, and
then it's like, since you've participated in

651
00:41:23,199 --> 00:41:27,400
our church event, you must see
our side now, like don't you see

652
00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:30,159
where we're coming from? It's like, holy fuck man, Like I feel

653
00:41:30,159 --> 00:41:32,360
like I just hate you more.
But well, and then even just I

654
00:41:32,679 --> 00:41:37,559
feel like so that happens, they
throw them the jail cell. That's where

655
00:41:37,559 --> 00:41:39,119
Taylor is, Like we said,
Taya has no fucking clue to this guy.

656
00:41:39,159 --> 00:41:42,880
And so at first he's like,
all right, for friends, you

657
00:41:42,920 --> 00:41:50,039
were important. So anyways, they're
talking. As soon as you heard Nova,

658
00:41:50,079 --> 00:41:54,119
you got very excited, Well where
is she? Where she's come back?

659
00:41:54,159 --> 00:41:59,320
And Fred and Terror just fucking they're
just going hardcore against So I was

660
00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:07,480
like spiky fars, oh man flesh. But like, so they start talking.

661
00:42:07,559 --> 00:42:09,079
They're doing the whole thing like I
came here for you and you know

662
00:42:09,320 --> 00:42:13,960
you're lost, and I'm all the
planet apes right, ah fuck these mutes,

663
00:42:13,960 --> 00:42:16,960
and so I would have loved to
see the Heston version of him and

664
00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:24,599
the mutes first, What the fuck
is this? It's definitely not have been

665
00:42:24,679 --> 00:42:29,800
as quiet as Oh no, he've
been yelling, motherfucker. But so they

666
00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:32,440
meet, they start talking. You
talk about the munes are peaceful, but

667
00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:37,000
they every time they see a human
they force him to do violent things that

668
00:42:37,119 --> 00:42:42,320
makes them like why do they have
some kink of just like they want him

669
00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:45,760
like to kill Like later on before
you got rested, they have him kiss

670
00:42:45,119 --> 00:42:49,039
Nova and then strangle her. It's
just like, what's going on here?

671
00:42:49,079 --> 00:42:52,400
It's just like these people have these
weird kinks that they just are all cocks

672
00:42:52,599 --> 00:42:57,639
and they want to see the stuff
go down. They're no genitals. It's

673
00:42:57,639 --> 00:43:02,119
a big part of their mutant.
They start fighting and that's when Nova shows

674
00:43:02,199 --> 00:43:06,440
up. They I guess outsmart this
guard, but I think, really the

675
00:43:06,480 --> 00:43:08,760
guard is just dumb. He looks
at and over and then like walks into

676
00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:17,159
the jails up for some reason.
I don't know, right, and it's

677
00:43:17,199 --> 00:43:24,800
like, where the fuck is that
he just told? But like guard gets

678
00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:28,559
killed terrible way. Those spikes did
look like they would hurt, like the

679
00:43:28,559 --> 00:43:32,360
way that sandwich in between them.
But and of course this happens. I

680
00:43:32,840 --> 00:43:37,119
forgot this part. The door closes, so they get locked, and again

681
00:43:37,159 --> 00:43:43,320
I forgot how they get out.
I thought it was just open, and

682
00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:45,960
honestly, I know it closes a
ghett on them, and it's like,

683
00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:47,880
oh shit, they're locked, but
they just get out. I don't know.

684
00:43:47,960 --> 00:43:51,360
So they get out there, Yeah, you'll pull it up. They

685
00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:53,320
get anyways, they somehow get up. They fight a couple more apes.

686
00:43:53,719 --> 00:43:59,239
Unfortunately we lose Nova and that situation
where she gets shot, there's no blood

687
00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:02,920
anything, and that I was just
like like Taylor again, that's just like

688
00:44:02,960 --> 00:44:07,440
this classic reaction, like he's a
little up to at the beginning body his

689
00:44:07,599 --> 00:44:13,519
damn hates He's just like it's like
not like the biggest deal, which again

690
00:44:13,559 --> 00:44:15,199
we don't know the time that's passed, but it felt he was gonna be.

691
00:44:15,239 --> 00:44:19,440
And then and here's even the things
I want to ask you guys.

692
00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:22,880
So they what did the Munes want
to do with the bomb? They want

693
00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:25,280
to use the bomb? Right?
Oh yeah, okay, so they want

694
00:44:25,280 --> 00:44:30,400
to use the bomb. And there
they've said this, and Brent is like

695
00:44:30,360 --> 00:44:34,519
he has information. That's why I
can't leave, right, And it's very

696
00:44:34,639 --> 00:44:37,599
unclear because Brent the whole time is
telling Taylor we got to go stop the

697
00:44:37,639 --> 00:44:42,519
bomb. I guess Brent's ship was
still working, right, his ship wasn't

698
00:44:42,519 --> 00:44:45,719
destroyed, So I guess Brent's idea
was his endgame, Let's not shoot off

699
00:44:45,719 --> 00:44:49,000
a nuke, Let's get in the
ship and get the fuck out of here.

700
00:44:49,880 --> 00:44:57,719
I thought his ship was pretty destroyed. The whole detached, and I

701
00:44:57,840 --> 00:45:00,960
forgot that because I remember Taylor was
obviously sung. But so his ship is

702
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:07,800
just exploded. Well, in his
context, he thinks it's done right,

703
00:45:07,760 --> 00:45:12,280
and like, what's Brent's plan?
He says he have to stop the bomb.

704
00:45:12,360 --> 00:45:16,360
I guess My example is later on
Brent gets shot. He's shooting and

705
00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:21,480
they just do this hard zoom up
on his head. His face's like like

706
00:45:22,079 --> 00:45:24,760
he literally saw God in that moment. The second I should have, oh,

707
00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:29,000
like and where he gets shot on
the head and then they zoom out

708
00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:31,000
and they shoot him a couple more
times in the gut, like the head

709
00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:34,719
shot wasn't enough. But what I'm
trying to get to is he gets shot.

710
00:45:36,119 --> 00:45:38,320
This whole scenario it's worse. Called
to him, I said, I'm

711
00:45:38,360 --> 00:45:42,800
gonna I'm gonna pose my question.
Stay with me. He's shooting, He's

712
00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:45,960
gonna cause the distraction. Taylor puts
one foot out, he gets blown fucking

713
00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:52,199
away. That plan worked at not
all, probably because fucking Taylor's the Godzilla

714
00:45:52,280 --> 00:45:57,199
sized human and he's trying to climb
the side of this castle. Then he

715
00:45:57,239 --> 00:46:00,360
gets shot. Him and doctor Zier
have like one last face off. It

716
00:46:00,440 --> 00:46:05,360
is like it is where we are
at the end of it all, and

717
00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:09,559
he falls down and he hits this
thing so like he died. Brent's pitch

718
00:46:09,719 --> 00:46:15,400
was we gotta get in there and
stop the bomb. Taylor when I got

719
00:46:15,440 --> 00:46:20,920
shot, what was like, I'm
taking like like was he gonna stop the

720
00:46:20,960 --> 00:46:24,320
bomb always or because him and Taylor
he was gonna stop the bomb. He

721
00:46:24,360 --> 00:46:28,559
was right. Yeah, he hates
humanity, he hates mutants, he hates

722
00:46:28,599 --> 00:46:31,599
the apes. Nova's dead, that's
his only will for living. But Brent

723
00:46:31,679 --> 00:46:37,360
wanted to stop the bomb, and
and I just lost. He's the colonel.

724
00:46:38,559 --> 00:46:43,679
I love too that he has met
some good apes like Cornelius and whatnot,

725
00:46:43,960 --> 00:46:46,159
but he's still Jones, just a
nuke. Like if he lost,

726
00:46:46,360 --> 00:46:49,679
it's over, I'm nuke and everybody. So it's why. It's just like,

727
00:46:50,239 --> 00:46:53,079
it's so strange that we have our
two main characters going into the situation,

728
00:46:53,719 --> 00:46:59,079
and I feel like their motivations are
either not explained or completely different.

729
00:46:59,079 --> 00:47:00,360
And that's why I just like,
same thing. I want to ask Brent,

730
00:47:00,440 --> 00:47:02,199
like why does he not want the
bomb to golf? Like, what

731
00:47:02,320 --> 00:47:06,400
is what is Brent's game plan?
That's what I'm trying to ask you guys,

732
00:47:06,480 --> 00:47:10,199
what is his ideal winning situation because
obviously doesn't happen, he gets headshot,

733
00:47:10,199 --> 00:47:15,119
But what was his game plan?
Stop the bomb? And then like

734
00:47:15,159 --> 00:47:19,960
I feel like he just has false
hope that he's he can go off this

735
00:47:20,119 --> 00:47:22,719
planet and then get back home.
But like also he he he knows that

736
00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:28,480
it's it's Old Earth, right because
he finds the like the subway Queensboro.

737
00:47:28,880 --> 00:47:32,400
Yeah, the subway. So I
really don't know from that point, like

738
00:47:32,400 --> 00:47:36,760
we never even have that dialogue amongst
himself of like, oh my god,

739
00:47:36,800 --> 00:47:38,880
I'm stuck here. Like that's like
such a big moment in the in the

740
00:47:38,880 --> 00:47:44,800
Apes movies of like that realization that
you can't go home because this is your

741
00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:47,400
home. But that's why at least
Taylors are saying in the first time paradoxes

742
00:47:47,519 --> 00:47:51,199
or something. I don't know.
Well, yeah, and then Taylor at

743
00:47:51,239 --> 00:47:52,440
least had a plan of like well, I'm gonna go get to the Forbidden

744
00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:55,760
Zone. Finalment's out there, like
there has to be other stuff of men

745
00:47:55,840 --> 00:47:59,559
out there. So, like I
said, what's Brent's plan after this,

746
00:47:59,559 --> 00:48:02,280
because zone it's just a bunch of
fucking mutants, Like they really should just

747
00:48:02,320 --> 00:48:08,119
should have like snuck out, you
know, because like I feel like the

748
00:48:08,239 --> 00:48:13,239
Apes wouldn't set off the bomb,
and I don't if you kill the humans

749
00:48:13,280 --> 00:48:15,800
were very shot it up. I
feel like it was gonna go off.

750
00:48:15,280 --> 00:48:20,480
Maybe I don't know, care you
have any idea, like what Brent's motivations

751
00:48:20,519 --> 00:48:24,039
are here, like once they're out
of here, it is convoluted. I

752
00:48:24,039 --> 00:48:29,800
mean Taylor's motivations were he thought,
Okay, well, at some point humans

753
00:48:29,800 --> 00:48:32,199
evolved into these apes and like just
kind of like forgot their history. I

754
00:48:32,199 --> 00:48:37,599
think they even say at the beginning
of this movie before he goes off,

755
00:48:37,599 --> 00:48:40,159
when they're playing like the first five
minutes like recap of like the ending of

756
00:48:40,199 --> 00:48:45,320
the last film. But with Brent's
motivations, Yeah, it is hard to

757
00:48:45,360 --> 00:48:47,000
say that. I'm trying. I
don't want to speak too much on the

758
00:48:47,039 --> 00:48:51,519
condition of that ship because there are
interesting things that we get into in this

759
00:48:52,280 --> 00:48:55,800
the next movie. But yeah,
but I don't think he knew those things

760
00:48:55,920 --> 00:49:01,880
unless he's a great repair man.
I guess, well that's that's where that's

761
00:49:01,920 --> 00:49:07,280
where things we're gonna have to have
the discussion on, like escape from Planet

762
00:49:07,320 --> 00:49:09,719
Base, because that's a whole other
can of worms that it's like, what

763
00:49:09,880 --> 00:49:13,360
the like, yes, Kirk,
when the ship comes back into place,

764
00:49:14,519 --> 00:49:16,679
comes play, Yeah, but it
also to me comes back in the way

765
00:49:16,719 --> 00:49:21,679
where it's like this doesn't make any
sense, Like it doesn't make any sense,

766
00:49:21,920 --> 00:49:27,000
like what but there's a certain timeline
that you give us. You're like,

767
00:49:27,239 --> 00:49:30,679
you guys fucking made that up on
the spot the third movie. This

768
00:49:30,719 --> 00:49:34,039
doesn't make any sense, and like
even with you go ahead to I have

769
00:49:34,039 --> 00:49:37,079
another question to asked after but fall
finish up there. I think I think

770
00:49:37,119 --> 00:49:42,559
Brent his at the end of it, his core mindset was, Yeah,

771
00:49:42,599 --> 00:49:45,880
he's just he's he needs to get
back into the sky. After he like

772
00:49:45,960 --> 00:49:50,960
is Nova takes him to this ape
city and he sees the fucking general versus

773
00:49:51,159 --> 00:49:54,480
just freaking out apes. Yeah,
he's just the apes are like talking about

774
00:49:54,519 --> 00:49:59,000
like humans and all that ship,
like the only good humans a dead human.

775
00:49:59,079 --> 00:50:02,159
Then like, yeah, he backs
out of the starship trooper line.

776
00:50:02,559 --> 00:50:06,599
He backs out of the bush and
he's like I gotta get back up there.

777
00:50:06,800 --> 00:50:09,400
Like he's got that's true fucking out. So I think his goal solely

778
00:50:09,519 --> 00:50:13,320
was it's no matter what he needs
to survive, he needs to get out

779
00:50:13,360 --> 00:50:15,840
of here, get off this planet. So you know that scene in a

780
00:50:15,920 --> 00:50:20,480
hook when they like they're back on
Neverland and the kids are captured, you

781
00:50:20,559 --> 00:50:22,440
just have Rob Williams just going to
rock. He was jumping off to try

782
00:50:22,480 --> 00:50:25,480
and like fly again. I just
picture that's what Brent does. If they

783
00:50:25,480 --> 00:50:29,840
were to get out of here him
like he's just doing that and fucking Taylor's

784
00:50:29,840 --> 00:50:37,360
just lighting us a car, just
like hey, it's fucking come on and

785
00:50:37,519 --> 00:50:42,000
get that vibe that Yeah, you
probably remembered, Brent, but like fuck

786
00:50:42,119 --> 00:50:45,239
you, yeah, Brent, wish
it was you that died and your yeah,

787
00:50:45,280 --> 00:50:51,239
and like I guess so. And
there set up was Taylor and his

788
00:50:51,320 --> 00:50:53,920
crew were missing, so they sent
another crew to go get them. I

789
00:50:53,920 --> 00:51:00,719
feel like that's not proper, Like
that Does that happen at NASA? It

790
00:51:00,800 --> 00:51:05,920
happened in the Martian What would that
happen if, like Tay, Let's say

791
00:51:05,920 --> 00:51:08,039
we send some people to the Moon, right, they were disappearing. Would

792
00:51:08,079 --> 00:51:10,960
we send another crew to like nothing, let's say Jupiter, right, Or

793
00:51:12,000 --> 00:51:15,440
let's say let's say Mars we never
land there. We send people to Mars

794
00:51:15,440 --> 00:51:19,480
and they're just sucking. They're missing, They're just gone, no trace.

795
00:51:21,960 --> 00:51:25,239
If if a ship if well,
yeah, I think they totally would.

796
00:51:25,320 --> 00:51:30,280
I think they absolutely would send one
ship out to go and check. They

797
00:51:30,280 --> 00:51:34,320
wouldn't keep sending ships, but if
something happened, they would absolutely go stop

798
00:51:34,320 --> 00:51:40,280
it. Answers friend's brother over and
know what was interesting because we meet that

799
00:51:40,360 --> 00:51:44,280
little guy or not little guy.
I'm not trying to copt the little guy.

800
00:51:44,559 --> 00:51:49,000
We meet his his friend Skipper,
Yeah, Skipper, and we talked

801
00:51:49,000 --> 00:51:53,320
about how the First Crew made sense. You know, Taylor's a badass.

802
00:51:53,360 --> 00:51:57,159
He's just like kind of like has
like a death complex in the way where

803
00:51:57,159 --> 00:52:00,400
it's like he's find explored, do
stuff. But like if he dies,

804
00:52:00,440 --> 00:52:04,519
so beat. As long as I
got a cigar, Yeah, that's all

805
00:52:04,519 --> 00:52:07,639
he needs. There's the other guy
who wanted to be famous. I can't

806
00:52:07,639 --> 00:52:09,440
remember the other guy, but they
all were that. They were like single

807
00:52:09,639 --> 00:52:19,840
people, right, they had no
connections to home. And this is the

808
00:52:19,880 --> 00:52:28,519
moment that laughing I love. So
Skipper laying there with his like fucking reflective

809
00:52:28,559 --> 00:52:31,079
blanket, probably cooking like a hot
dog in his little turtle shell. She's

810
00:52:31,159 --> 00:52:36,280
blind apparently don't know if he's always
been flying. He's getting son stroked at

811
00:52:36,360 --> 00:52:37,719
ying and then so anyways, Brent
walks so I guess it was just the

812
00:52:37,760 --> 00:52:40,559
two of them were making the loss
of Bill. Brent walks down. He's

813
00:52:40,599 --> 00:52:44,000
kind of just going over the calculations, and they're just doing what they the

814
00:52:44,039 --> 00:52:45,880
first movie, trying to figure out, you know, what happened, how

815
00:52:45,880 --> 00:52:47,800
many years has been and he's like, oh, it was like three thousand,

816
00:52:47,840 --> 00:52:54,800
two hundred, my wife, my
two sons, my two daughters,

817
00:52:55,000 --> 00:53:00,920
everyone I know is dead. And
Frn's just like yes, Like dude,

818
00:53:00,920 --> 00:53:04,920
how did you not know this was
gonna happen? Like why would you be

819
00:53:05,000 --> 00:53:07,119
leaving your wife and your your two
daughters thinking that you're gonna be coming back

820
00:53:07,119 --> 00:53:13,000
by Saturday? Especially, I would
even give them a little leeway for the

821
00:53:13,039 --> 00:53:16,719
first mission. This is a mission
to go recover the people that win missing

822
00:53:16,760 --> 00:53:21,719
that they have no trace of their
ship just vanished. So you're telling me,

823
00:53:21,800 --> 00:53:23,159
I have a wife and two kids
and you're gonna have something on a

824
00:53:23,199 --> 00:53:27,719
mission defines some people that just vanished, that's the time I'm gonna say sorry.

825
00:53:27,880 --> 00:53:30,440
And I guess maybe you could try
and make the argument that was back

826
00:53:30,480 --> 00:53:31,719
in the day we're right, where
like people went to war and they didn't

827
00:53:31,719 --> 00:53:35,199
have an option, right, so
that could be this guy, So maybe

828
00:53:35,239 --> 00:53:38,360
I'm playing Devil's advocate. It just
felt like the first one specifically picked people

829
00:53:38,360 --> 00:53:42,760
that were able to do this mission, because we even talked about, like

830
00:53:42,960 --> 00:53:45,800
joking and on joking they could like
reproduce with whatever. The lady that passed

831
00:53:45,800 --> 00:53:49,280
away, right, but this is
just like yeah, no, no,

832
00:53:49,280 --> 00:53:52,239
no, no. The other two
I know it was just on board,

833
00:53:52,519 --> 00:53:55,519
but like, yeah, I just
like and like I said, I didn't

834
00:53:55,519 --> 00:54:00,559
fill the actor who played Brent like
really showed much compassion at all. And

835
00:54:00,599 --> 00:54:04,599
then we just not at all.
We just got to a look, he's

836
00:54:04,599 --> 00:54:07,639
buried, he's gone, this done, Like that's why I like the headcaan.

837
00:54:07,760 --> 00:54:09,079
Then he just murdered him. He's
like, this guy is so not

838
00:54:09,199 --> 00:54:14,559
for the mission anymore. He's mentally
compromised. I'm alone on this planet,

839
00:54:14,800 --> 00:54:17,400
like just fucking shovel of the dome. Then he buries him because like,

840
00:54:17,559 --> 00:54:22,679
yeah, really seems he really seems
like he's just sticking to the plan,

841
00:54:22,800 --> 00:54:24,639
right, Like he's trying to find
Taylor. He's like, well, I

842
00:54:24,639 --> 00:54:30,840
mean he's Taylor from the first movie
essentially, so I'd laugh so hard though,

843
00:54:30,039 --> 00:54:34,800
just like like he doesn't even try
to keep Skipper alive like a couple

844
00:54:34,800 --> 00:54:37,360
of days or something, and then
he just like he's not bleeding out or

845
00:54:37,360 --> 00:54:40,360
anything, like he looks like he's
in pain, but I don't know.

846
00:54:40,440 --> 00:54:45,119
It's just a very quick cut to
him laying there sad about his wife and

847
00:54:45,119 --> 00:54:50,880
his daughter's So he's just buried.
You should just see his mound, like

848
00:54:51,000 --> 00:54:54,079
the mall cut where he's sad and
you do like a lighthouse like smash cut

849
00:54:54,199 --> 00:55:00,239
to like a hole and Brent throwing
during it and just like no Brend and

850
00:55:00,280 --> 00:55:05,159
then like the next cut is like
grave, it's gone. But yeah,

851
00:55:05,440 --> 00:55:07,119
rip Skipper, he didn't he didn't
make it far. You know, like

852
00:55:07,159 --> 00:55:10,320
I feel like if there's another crew
of four, they died in the ship,

853
00:55:10,639 --> 00:55:13,800
and then Skipper may as well died
in the ship. He just died

854
00:55:13,800 --> 00:55:15,840
like outside the ship, like he
like walked a little bit and collapsed,

855
00:55:16,119 --> 00:55:22,039
you know. So so I was
just reading here because you're talking about this

856
00:55:22,199 --> 00:55:27,159
the Skipper, and like, yeah, his fucking a tho what I know

857
00:55:27,360 --> 00:55:31,000
is gone. It seems like I
liked is dead. Yeah, it's just

858
00:55:31,039 --> 00:55:35,320
like standing there like what the fuck. It seems like it was supposed to

859
00:55:35,320 --> 00:55:39,800
be like an eighteen eighteen month journey
to get to their destination. So that

860
00:55:39,920 --> 00:55:43,960
was the first ship testing. Yeah, because they're going to another star,

861
00:55:44,079 --> 00:55:46,480
So it was supposed to an eighteen
months journey, and then that was suchrajectory

862
00:55:46,559 --> 00:55:51,320
they followed. I thought when we
talked about it, when we reviewed the

863
00:55:51,360 --> 00:55:52,800
first one, it felt like a
lot longer. That's where like these people

864
00:55:52,840 --> 00:55:57,920
are gonna be gone for because it's
only because they they they went for they

865
00:55:58,199 --> 00:56:00,280
they were they were awake for six
month months and after six months then they

866
00:56:00,280 --> 00:56:06,039
went into like their suspended at nation
and then they were supposed to be like

867
00:56:06,119 --> 00:56:08,960
eighteen months to get to their destination. Okay's over two years. That's over

868
00:56:09,000 --> 00:56:13,000
twenty four months, so it was
a two yeah, so that's I think

869
00:56:13,039 --> 00:56:15,119
what this guy is probably thinking,
like, oh, it would be two

870
00:56:15,239 --> 00:56:17,159
years. I'll be back with my
daughter's like four years old, and well

871
00:56:17,199 --> 00:56:21,039
probably four years though, because like
two years there, two years back,

872
00:56:21,079 --> 00:56:22,880
right, if they were to get
the crew and then come back, yeah,

873
00:56:22,000 --> 00:56:30,920
pretty much three thousand years. I
wonder if I'll be back, honey,

874
00:56:31,119 --> 00:56:36,079
just two years. I'm stuck with
bred. I fucking hate Brent.

875
00:56:36,800 --> 00:56:40,719
Brent, what are you doing?
So I think happened. One likes me,

876
00:56:40,960 --> 00:56:49,960
No one remembers my name, just
call me junior. Okay, it's

877
00:56:50,000 --> 00:56:52,360
a nice fad, I swear.
When we review the first one, there

878
00:56:52,400 --> 00:56:54,639
was somebody talked about being like a
lot longer, but okay, two years

879
00:56:54,639 --> 00:56:59,679
old. Well it is because like
it's it's tricky, like now you're going

880
00:56:59,679 --> 00:57:04,599
back, like that's that's that was
what the mission was supposed to be,

881
00:57:05,079 --> 00:57:08,039
and then were to pollinate the stars
if something went wrong. And I found

882
00:57:08,039 --> 00:57:12,400
this a strand. And three months
after the crew had gone into hibernation,

883
00:57:13,000 --> 00:57:15,760
their ship collided with the ship by
exactly identical with itself. Whatever the funk.

884
00:57:15,840 --> 00:57:21,559
That means automatically setting an emergency course
for Earth and crashingling there nine months

885
00:57:21,639 --> 00:57:24,679
later. That's according to the ship's
time, but really with their uh what

886
00:57:24,800 --> 00:57:30,920
was going on, it was like
the time slip thing and whatever. So

887
00:57:31,400 --> 00:57:37,000
fuck it gets so convoluted. Yeah, it's like Interstellar, you're too close

888
00:57:37,000 --> 00:57:44,960
to the black hole. Oh no, that's it. Course, I'm trying

889
00:57:44,960 --> 00:57:46,679
to think what we talked them munes. Yeah, we talked about apes.

890
00:57:46,679 --> 00:57:51,480
City's not much because I just like
that line reading even with like doctor Zerra

891
00:57:51,800 --> 00:57:54,880
and like, fuck, what a
backseat they took in this movie. I

892
00:57:54,960 --> 00:57:59,639
was so sad about that. I
really like those characters from the first one,

893
00:57:59,679 --> 00:58:04,800
and like they show a little bit
of rebellion, but like nothing nothing

894
00:58:04,840 --> 00:58:09,159
even comes to him to say.
It's like goes to the house. Oh

895
00:58:09,280 --> 00:58:15,480
Cornelia has just hit me. Oh, I can't blame him just running her

896
00:58:15,480 --> 00:58:19,360
mouth at the fucking rally, Oh
my gosh. Yeah, and then he

897
00:58:19,360 --> 00:58:22,440
wants to have a meeting with Cornelis
just to talk about his wife and like

898
00:58:22,440 --> 00:58:24,719
what should be done and everything,
and yeah, there's such a because the

899
00:58:24,840 --> 00:58:28,880
Munes they need to take a back
seat. But yeah, I know that's

900
00:58:28,920 --> 00:58:31,880
all fast. And you see Brent
goes in with their astronaut clones, so

901
00:58:31,960 --> 00:58:35,480
you gotta you gotta look different stuff, even though he just again looks like

902
00:58:35,519 --> 00:58:39,920
completely like he does not look like
no Neanderthal, and like they like when

903
00:58:39,920 --> 00:58:44,239
they bring him in the cages and
Zero's like trying to pull a fast one

904
00:58:44,239 --> 00:58:46,239
on the gorillas of like, oh
look at these two. He's like his

905
00:58:46,400 --> 00:58:50,280
beard is like trimmed on, like
like he doesn't have like a neck beard

906
00:58:50,360 --> 00:58:53,079
or anything. It's all trimmed.
His hairs shorter. Yeah. Yeah,

907
00:58:53,119 --> 00:58:57,760
and then fucking Nova just looks like
a supermodel compared to everyone else. That's

908
00:58:57,760 --> 00:59:00,199
still hilarious. Like she had makeup
on the someone, but this one was

909
00:59:00,199 --> 00:59:06,360
like she was feel good. Yeah, she was like had a like a

910
00:59:06,400 --> 00:59:08,719
makeup brand deal, like hey,
for beneath the plant apes, like I

911
00:59:08,760 --> 00:59:12,760
need to wear this, her hair
was like not frizzy at all. It's

912
00:59:12,800 --> 00:59:15,199
like perfectly straightened in like every single
scene. Yeah, but yeah, that

913
00:59:15,280 --> 00:59:20,119
was my fair line of his My
God, A City of Apes, and

914
00:59:20,239 --> 00:59:22,679
its just like it just just didn't
feel that. It just felt like they

915
00:59:22,679 --> 00:59:27,880
were trying to do a lot of
those scenes again and have the iconic feel

916
00:59:27,960 --> 00:59:32,159
to it. You know. Yeah, we talked about Ape City because that's

917
00:59:32,159 --> 00:59:37,679
all the like we said, the
gorilla usually in the charge zero tries to

918
00:59:37,719 --> 00:59:42,119
stand up and you know, or
just sits down. She stays down,

919
00:59:42,159 --> 00:59:45,000
and that's a whole thing. But
again, and we've talked I talked about

920
00:59:45,280 --> 00:59:49,599
in my nonsports about the whole picketing. The apes beat the show, those

921
00:59:49,639 --> 00:59:51,480
apes that are picketing, so we
get a little bit there. So again

922
00:59:51,519 --> 00:59:53,960
I would much rather the movie about
the apes and fighting than Brent and the

923
00:59:54,039 --> 00:59:59,840
Muten's you know, Oh, I
agree, because that's I feel like those

924
01:00:00,079 --> 01:00:04,639
human quality is that they're giving the
the apes in that first movie. It's

925
01:00:04,679 --> 01:00:07,320
just it's such a back burner topic
in this movie, like they're really just

926
01:00:07,320 --> 01:00:13,880
focused on the mutants in the cave. And yeah, I did not I'm

927
01:00:13,960 --> 01:00:19,400
not like that did not like that
story. I left so hard when uh

928
01:00:20,000 --> 01:00:25,880
it was like the cart that Zira
she gets the grilla to like give her

929
01:00:25,920 --> 01:00:30,119
the key and then she unlocks it. But like she goes up and she's

930
01:00:30,159 --> 01:00:31,679
like, well, let me let
me double lock the door. I better

931
01:00:31,679 --> 01:00:35,840
double lock the door on this and
like these fucking grillas are just so stupid.

932
01:00:35,920 --> 01:00:37,239
There's clearly only one lock on the
door, but it's like, oh,

933
01:00:37,320 --> 01:00:44,039
there we go and just unlocks it. To have multiple issues with the

934
01:00:44,079 --> 01:00:46,599
foreign authority. You know, there's
cell Taylor in the last movie, which

935
01:00:46,639 --> 01:00:51,519
was probably like fucking three days ago. Yeah, it's the scuttle btu of

936
01:00:51,599 --> 01:00:58,679
the town. Here Zero helped us
man then then she kissed him in front

937
01:00:58,719 --> 01:01:04,119
of Cornelius. General was on on
her in that in the fucking the area

938
01:01:04,199 --> 01:01:07,679
there in a little like science exhibit
area because the one gorilla is like like

939
01:01:07,719 --> 01:01:08,800
what do you want? I feel
like he didn't even have reasoning for it

940
01:01:08,840 --> 01:01:14,760
though, he's just like the cannon
fodder because zero zero is like, oh,

941
01:01:14,800 --> 01:01:16,559
these are two fine specimens. Will
put them over there. Yeah,

942
01:01:16,599 --> 01:01:20,840
He's just like, no, you
won't. They're marked for target practice.

943
01:01:22,199 --> 01:01:27,559
Just shi, It's all over.
Not the greatest talk about Munes talked about

944
01:01:27,559 --> 01:01:30,360
the nuke. Yeah, that's how
it ends. Taylor hits the nuke and

945
01:01:30,400 --> 01:01:34,159
then you just get like a and
this was the Green Star. That's well,

946
01:01:34,960 --> 01:01:38,079
it's such a weird like all right, he's so depressed in the theater.

947
01:01:38,159 --> 01:01:40,599
If you're watching, it's like,
what the fuck kind of an and

948
01:01:40,639 --> 01:01:45,360
then it just rolls credits. It's
such an abrupt ending. Kirk, what

949
01:01:45,400 --> 01:01:50,039
do you think Appenheimer thought about the
ending of this movie. It's like,

950
01:01:50,159 --> 01:01:52,960
I got some ideas. You're still
alive, right, Oppenheimer came out,

951
01:01:53,559 --> 01:02:02,159
No, I don't know here on
that because this is what seventy nineteen seventy,

952
01:02:04,039 --> 01:02:08,159
yeah, sixty he died nineteen sixty
seven. Fuck, he just missed

953
01:02:08,199 --> 01:02:14,320
it. Yeah, because they maybe
got the early screening, the early screen

954
01:02:14,360 --> 01:02:15,119
he was there for the first one. Yeah, because he did say he

955
01:02:15,119 --> 01:02:19,599
blew it all up. That's when
he really realized, was like, man,

956
01:02:19,679 --> 01:02:22,679
they're gonna blow it up and these
fucking monkeys are gonna take over Earth.

957
01:02:22,760 --> 01:02:25,400
What did I do? No?
I was just wondering because in Brenton

958
01:02:25,440 --> 01:02:30,960
Taylor, some like the almost anything
that's close to having some sort of like

959
01:02:31,079 --> 01:02:38,599
themetrical the mat Oh my god,
the metrical, I can't say it theatrical

960
01:02:38,920 --> 01:02:44,039
fat, I don't know. Let's
go the greater meaning, let's go the

961
01:02:44,079 --> 01:02:49,199
greater meaning they start talking about the
bombs, like oh yeah, twenty the

962
01:02:49,199 --> 01:02:52,400
first century just savages like they do
it a little back and forth about kind

963
01:02:52,440 --> 01:02:58,199
of like reflecting a light on society. Taylor again bringing in like yeah,

964
01:02:58,440 --> 01:03:00,599
big moments. Yeah, because he's
been the first movie, the good one

965
01:03:00,639 --> 01:03:04,719
that's actually about that stuff with the
French just there like I gotta get up

966
01:03:04,760 --> 01:03:07,639
there, but like that's where again
I don't mind that, and there's something

967
01:03:07,679 --> 01:03:10,159
there to be said about the nuke, but it's just like a line or

968
01:03:10,159 --> 01:03:15,760
two, so it's not really die
don't into But I just thought that's like

969
01:03:15,760 --> 01:03:17,559
like the whole Openheimer movie is about
right as him, like maybe regret making

970
01:03:17,559 --> 01:03:21,719
the bombs. I just would laugh. He's just trying to enjoy beneath the

971
01:03:21,760 --> 01:03:25,480
planet apes and fucking Tailor's ticking shots
at him. Just can't enjoy a simple

972
01:03:25,480 --> 01:03:31,320
movie. That's when taking shots at
me. So uh. I again laughed

973
01:03:31,400 --> 01:03:37,280
really hard. When they're falling,
like the humming through the subway, fucking

974
01:03:37,360 --> 01:03:42,679
print he finds this like fucking sewage
water looking thing. There's like float he's

975
01:03:42,719 --> 01:03:45,480
in there, and you like he's
like pushing through the fucking like mold and

976
01:03:45,519 --> 01:03:50,119
mildew, just like floating on this
water. It takes a sip, instantly

977
01:03:50,119 --> 01:03:52,719
spits it out. It's just like
ransom water, Like dude, what the

978
01:03:52,760 --> 01:03:57,119
fuck are you doing? Like he
didn't even like just like dab a finger

979
01:03:57,119 --> 01:04:04,079
and he swoopes both hands and full
like just go thinking it's like sanitary water.

980
01:04:04,320 --> 01:04:09,360
Like holy fucking man like survival instincts. One on one tells you not

981
01:04:09,400 --> 01:04:12,199
to drink that water, and he
just goes right in. That's why the

982
01:04:12,280 --> 01:04:15,920
fucking mutants look the way they do. They're drinking. They're drinking that water.

983
01:04:16,400 --> 01:04:20,119
So then he finds flowing water and
then yeah, you gets possessed clean

984
01:04:20,280 --> 01:04:24,760
flowing water too. It's like the
cleanest ware you've ever seen. But one

985
01:04:24,960 --> 01:04:28,519
I was just love. He just
died right there, was stuck with Brent's

986
01:04:28,519 --> 01:04:30,559
body. Was just like he does
not know what the is going on.

987
01:04:30,719 --> 01:04:35,159
Probably drink it too, I hope
would be enough to see him die.

988
01:04:35,239 --> 01:04:38,480
And then she doesn't drink it.
You know, I'll give her that credit.

989
01:04:38,480 --> 01:04:41,519
She's spoke in this movie. She's
she's learning, you know. But

990
01:04:41,599 --> 01:04:45,400
so here's my question seeing of Taylor. Let's say Brent dies never gets there,

991
01:04:45,480 --> 01:04:49,519
what was the mute plans with Taylor? Just keep him in there?

992
01:04:50,679 --> 01:04:55,599
He knew the secrets, so they
couldn't let him go, and they couldn't

993
01:04:55,639 --> 01:04:58,480
kill him because they're peace all right, They're waiting for a one on one.

994
01:04:59,320 --> 01:05:01,159
So like luckily Brent showed up so
that they could finally have a use

995
01:05:01,199 --> 01:05:05,280
for They didn't want to kill him. They just want some entertainment, Like

996
01:05:05,280 --> 01:05:09,599
the way they threw him the fucking
like big metal stick, like yeah,

997
01:05:10,199 --> 01:05:13,440
we haven't seen it. Just like
the guys like right at the fucking window

998
01:05:13,519 --> 01:05:24,320
too, like cock Card just being
all hold grab him Beard. Well,

999
01:05:24,360 --> 01:05:27,639
it's like Jake Saw. Jake Saw
intected to kill people. That that's their

1000
01:05:27,679 --> 01:05:31,079
real They don't kill anyone Jigsaw watch. But He's was like, oh,

1001
01:05:31,159 --> 01:05:34,159
yeah, that's that's the way to
do it. I just love like they

1002
01:05:34,199 --> 01:05:38,840
can't just make Taylor like I guess
they can't make him kill himself. I

1003
01:05:38,840 --> 01:05:41,519
guess they can't put those thoughts into
his mind. They just have to keep

1004
01:05:41,559 --> 01:05:46,880
him around. That's making that'd be
making him. That's so you're killing him

1005
01:05:47,079 --> 01:05:51,199
because you're making you know, you're
still making someone else kill someone. That's

1006
01:05:51,239 --> 01:05:55,400
the same thing. No, that's
different. That's different. Okay, see

1007
01:05:55,440 --> 01:05:58,239
that person's commencing the act. But
if you tell someone to kill themselves,

1008
01:05:58,239 --> 01:06:01,239
that's you killing them. So I
say I'm gonna even I say kill yourself.

1009
01:06:01,280 --> 01:06:04,440
That's something that did that. If
I say Kirk and go kill Taylor,

1010
01:06:04,519 --> 01:06:11,519
you think that's that's Kirk killing Yeah, but yeah, your murderer.

1011
01:06:13,239 --> 01:06:15,800
I did not murder him. This
is what the conversations sound like on the

1012
01:06:15,840 --> 01:06:24,800
Immune Council or peacekeepers. Yeah,
I don't know. Just like, again,

1013
01:06:24,840 --> 01:06:27,480
what's Taylor gonna do. He's gonna
go back to the monkeys that fucking

1014
01:06:27,519 --> 01:06:30,800
hate him and explain the bomb situation. They're gonna take him in as one

1015
01:06:30,800 --> 01:06:33,880
of their own, like you did
like Ultimatum play too after that first movie,

1016
01:06:34,000 --> 01:06:39,199
Like he can't go back to that. Yeah, Like they're just they're

1017
01:06:39,239 --> 01:06:45,320
just gonna he was that first the
way he was running around, those kept

1018
01:06:45,320 --> 01:06:51,000
coming out. Brent kun't survived a
fucking three star. Right, got a

1019
01:06:51,039 --> 01:06:55,280
gun, he got a chick,
he got a horse. He was geared

1020
01:06:55,360 --> 01:06:59,599
up in Brent's case, like the
gorillas are everywhere. Fuck, they were

1021
01:06:59,599 --> 01:07:02,000
fucking everywhere. That one guy was
just firing off on the bush and hit

1022
01:07:02,039 --> 01:07:10,119
Taylor's arm was secur yet Brent really
quick he did. Yeah. One of

1023
01:07:10,119 --> 01:07:13,800
my favorite shots has when brenton O
were moving through and they just had this

1024
01:07:13,920 --> 01:07:19,039
ape just standing in the bushes just
like he's just watching make no noise that

1025
01:07:19,119 --> 01:07:21,480
every and else. He went back
and told them, but it was just

1026
01:07:21,519 --> 01:07:24,360
something. And yeah, there was
a couple of apes in here that were

1027
01:07:24,360 --> 01:07:28,480
looking gnarly. They did not have
the same makeup budget with its stand up

1028
01:07:28,559 --> 01:07:31,519
scene like the scent up evation scene
when the general was like giving Yeah,

1029
01:07:31,519 --> 01:07:34,239
you could see it around the eyes
particular, and like you could see the

1030
01:07:34,280 --> 01:07:39,920
mouths weren't moving comparison to others like
oh man, yeah, yeah, not

1031
01:07:40,039 --> 01:07:44,920
the lifelike or almost life like back
then mask that everyone had. So and

1032
01:07:44,960 --> 01:07:45,840
even then, like why did they
make them do I know you like to

1033
01:07:45,840 --> 01:07:48,280
Tim, why did they make them
do that saw scene? That means like

1034
01:07:48,519 --> 01:07:51,679
those two actors had to go like
full monkey suit up and everything. But

1035
01:07:53,400 --> 01:07:56,920
sorry, what the sauna scene?
Remember? Oh yeah, yeah, like

1036
01:07:56,960 --> 01:08:00,760
what so they made these actors getting
like full monkey suits do this scene?

1037
01:08:00,679 --> 01:08:09,119
Yeah? Why the big ape Cox
under her break. They had a big

1038
01:08:09,159 --> 01:08:13,639
budget on the prosthetic cocks for that
one. No, it's like they had

1039
01:08:13,639 --> 01:08:15,199
a budget of fifty million. Oh
yeah, we got enough for the cocks.

1040
01:08:15,199 --> 01:08:17,359
And then they came to actually around
twenty five million guys and like,

1041
01:08:17,359 --> 01:08:23,159
oh, but we already spent ten
on the cocks. They realized they couldn't

1042
01:08:23,159 --> 01:08:29,600
even show it. Keep talking about
Charlton trying to show us cock on the

1043
01:08:29,600 --> 01:08:31,039
first movie. They wouldn't let them
rush on no monkey dick. But yeah,

1044
01:08:31,079 --> 01:08:32,720
I just thought, like, why
did you put them the sauna?

1045
01:08:32,800 --> 01:08:38,039
I hope those actors got paid good
because that must have been fucking sweaty,

1046
01:08:38,279 --> 01:08:42,680
sweaty, sweaty, sweaty. Anything
else specifically on the movie, I guess

1047
01:08:42,760 --> 01:08:45,439
usually have truth of any no plot
points that we haven't touched upon yet.

1048
01:08:46,640 --> 01:08:50,560
Just one more thing on that sauna
scene, when you look at let's circle

1049
01:08:50,600 --> 01:09:00,520
back to that back they fucked the
body there the boy do you have the

1050
01:09:00,640 --> 01:09:03,680
general Like he's just he is a
really like bigger gorilla boy, Like he's

1051
01:09:03,760 --> 01:09:08,000
huge, but then when you see
him in his armor, he's so scrawny,

1052
01:09:08,079 --> 01:09:13,840
like it is not the you know, yeah, I got literally fluster

1053
01:09:14,079 --> 01:09:16,880
fluffed in there. But uh yeah, no, like I get why they

1054
01:09:16,880 --> 01:09:18,880
did it, but yeah, he
was pretty. He was scrawny, but

1055
01:09:18,920 --> 01:09:23,000
then he had a massive head and
helmet. That helmet was here, he's

1056
01:09:23,000 --> 01:09:27,439
looking like mega mine times ten over
there. He need a gun, he

1057
01:09:27,479 --> 01:09:30,560
just needs a head. But that
new getting explode. But yeah, he

1058
01:09:30,720 --> 01:09:32,840
was you know, but that's kind
of a class Like I guess a couple

1059
01:09:32,920 --> 01:09:35,279
that look was in the first one. I think grillas weren't a big part

1060
01:09:35,279 --> 01:09:39,640
of the first one. I think
that archetype of ape gets used a lot

1061
01:09:39,720 --> 01:09:42,760
going forward, of like the gorilla
with the big head piece, like even

1062
01:09:42,800 --> 01:09:45,880
the Tim Burton movie, that's who
Michael Clarke Ducan plays like that. So

1063
01:09:45,960 --> 01:09:48,640
yeah, yeah, even just like
the soldiers, I feel like that's just

1064
01:09:48,720 --> 01:09:53,319
such a good look for like a
you know, the gorilla soldiers. Of

1065
01:09:53,319 --> 01:09:58,960
course they would be the more soldiery
type versus the chimps or the whatever the

1066
01:09:59,000 --> 01:10:01,399
other ones are. We got hims, yeah, rank tanks. There you

1067
01:10:01,439 --> 01:10:06,479
go. There's probably some other ones
in there. Mhm, just monkey types,

1068
01:10:06,960 --> 01:10:10,800
I don't know, bamboos, anything
else stay there. Or it was

1069
01:10:10,880 --> 01:10:15,439
just a sauna, Oh, just
a sauna. Kirklem nothing else. I've

1070
01:10:15,479 --> 01:10:21,119
depleted my my resources on that.
Oh actually I pulled up that scene and

1071
01:10:21,439 --> 01:10:25,439
how they get out of the cell. They literally just have the weapon and

1072
01:10:25,479 --> 01:10:28,399
they just like pry the door open. Okay. So it's like, why

1073
01:10:28,399 --> 01:10:30,319
didn't Charlton, Why why didn't Arlton
do that from the get go, you

1074
01:10:30,359 --> 01:10:33,319
know, like years ago, but
whatever, he's been there for years.

1075
01:10:33,319 --> 01:10:35,640
Fuck that sucks. He kept shaving
them though, at least, you know,

1076
01:10:38,199 --> 01:10:41,039
like one of us. But like, why even when you're writing the

1077
01:10:41,079 --> 01:10:44,600
scene, why did they make it
that, like, Okay, you're gonna

1078
01:10:44,600 --> 01:10:46,239
get killed the guy and you're gonna
go for the door and the door locks,

1079
01:10:46,239 --> 01:10:48,720
but then you just lock. They
just let the door open. Why,

1080
01:10:49,600 --> 01:10:53,039
Like they have some dialogue in between, so I guess it kind of

1081
01:10:53,039 --> 01:10:56,720
forces that, But you can also
just have the door open and then they

1082
01:10:56,760 --> 01:11:01,119
have that dialogue and then they leave. Yeah yeah, okay. So Pierre

1083
01:11:01,159 --> 01:11:05,840
Bau, author of the original novel, wrote a screenplay titled Planet of the

1084
01:11:05,960 --> 01:11:21,680
Men the second This doesn't have the
same I want someone in twenty twenty four

1085
01:11:21,720 --> 01:11:28,000
to just make a movie about today's
age called the Planet of Men billion dollar.

1086
01:11:29,199 --> 01:11:31,319
Yeah, it's gonna be like that. Meme or that moment in Barbie

1087
01:11:31,359 --> 01:11:35,159
when Ryan Gossling like sees the hierarchy
and all like everything, like all the

1088
01:11:35,199 --> 01:11:43,279
people are going to see Planet Men, Let's see It featured uh Taylor fourteen

1089
01:11:43,319 --> 01:11:45,880
years after the events of Planet Apes
and involved the human uprising against apes,

1090
01:11:46,199 --> 01:11:50,000
following which they revert back to their
primal state. The studio also chose to

1091
01:11:50,039 --> 01:11:54,640
ignore this concept and used a new
script from Films for the film Extead,

1092
01:11:54,800 --> 01:11:58,000
which did featured uprising the chimpanzees against
the other apes. Yeah, but that

1093
01:11:58,039 --> 01:12:00,560
was changed for the filming, possibly
due to the reduced by Yeah, like

1094
01:12:00,680 --> 01:12:04,159
obviously, like you can never know
the way it goes, but like if

1095
01:12:04,159 --> 01:12:10,239
you, I feel like there's so
many things you could pitch that I'll take

1096
01:12:10,319 --> 01:12:13,800
over this and this like definitely like
the idea of fourteen years that's a big

1097
01:12:13,880 --> 01:12:17,159
jump, But still this idea of
Charlton Heston Taylor's out there. Maybe he's

1098
01:12:17,199 --> 01:12:19,920
having kids that know Nova, he
has this community and they're gonna go kill

1099
01:12:19,920 --> 01:12:23,159
these days. I don't know,
the apes like going back to their primal

1100
01:12:23,159 --> 01:12:26,039
state. That feels kind of odd
that they just like capture them and then

1101
01:12:26,039 --> 01:12:28,640
they're like back to like being just
like my apes or something, but like

1102
01:12:29,119 --> 01:12:31,720
that movie sounds a million times better
anestly he like, And I don't think

1103
01:12:31,720 --> 01:12:33,720
they would have got Heston to do
it either. That could have been part

1104
01:12:33,720 --> 01:12:36,800
of the studio also being like no, don't do But even then, like

1105
01:12:38,399 --> 01:12:40,760
fuck, I would have been down
if they jumped in the future and like

1106
01:12:40,800 --> 01:12:44,600
it was Heston's kid like Taylor Nova's
kid, and they could talk, and

1107
01:12:44,640 --> 01:12:47,520
you'd have a mix of humans that
could talk humans that couldn't talk. The

1108
01:12:47,640 --> 01:12:51,399
idea of humans versus apes in this
setting versus what we got here, I

1109
01:12:51,439 --> 01:12:55,560
would take all day. Even if
it's a bad movie. I bet it

1110
01:12:55,600 --> 01:13:00,760
would have been better than this.
So I agree, you like that plot

1111
01:13:00,760 --> 01:13:02,399
better or no, I like that
plot. I think that'd be cool to

1112
01:13:02,399 --> 01:13:09,439
see, like the next generation of
humans just kind of like uprising and revolting,

1113
01:13:09,640 --> 01:13:13,079
and you got like Taylor with his
son here, Yeah, exactly,

1114
01:13:13,119 --> 01:13:15,560
We've already got it. They could
have just cast the same actor for his

1115
01:13:15,640 --> 01:13:19,600
son. Yeah son looks like he
does. Yeah. The only film of

1116
01:13:19,640 --> 01:13:24,159
the original flot that does not star
Rodnie McDowell as Cornelius. That's why I

1117
01:13:24,159 --> 01:13:28,199
think Cornelis didn't get probably too much
time has come back for future ones,

1118
01:13:28,239 --> 01:13:32,640
but he was busy directing archive footage
of McDowell as Cornelia has played the start

1119
01:13:32,680 --> 01:13:38,359
plays a character oh David Watson plays
the character of the film proper. Despite

1120
01:13:38,399 --> 01:13:42,359
this, mcdowll is often pictured on
the video and DVD packaging for the film.

1121
01:13:42,760 --> 01:13:46,840
Interestingly, Watson and mcdalell appeared together
two years earlier in May for television

1122
01:13:47,000 --> 01:13:50,880
musical The Legend of Robhood, with
Watson of the role Robin Hood mcdell playing

1123
01:13:50,880 --> 01:13:54,319
the role of Prince John. I
don't really know why I included that,

1124
01:13:54,359 --> 01:13:57,840
but there go. They've worked together. But I do like that You're the

1125
01:13:57,880 --> 01:14:00,399
guy that played Cornelius, and then
then all all the marketing it's always the

1126
01:14:00,439 --> 01:14:02,600
other guy you play it, which
I get it, but it is funny.

1127
01:14:03,319 --> 01:14:06,239
Due to the smaller budget of this
film, the vast majority of extras

1128
01:14:06,319 --> 01:14:10,159
cast as apes, including the ones
sitting close to the ear and Cornelis wore

1129
01:14:10,279 --> 01:14:13,239
pull over masks instead of the famous
epe makeup. As we talked about.

1130
01:14:14,159 --> 01:14:16,680
Originally, there was going to be
a scene featuring a half human, half

1131
01:14:16,720 --> 01:14:20,760
ape child. However, the producers
were afraid that that would be too confusing,

1132
01:14:20,840 --> 01:14:27,359
but they would also lose their geet. What the whole ending was very

1133
01:14:27,399 --> 01:14:30,640
confusing, and they didn't think we're
gonna buy a fucking half ape half human

1134
01:14:31,159 --> 01:14:38,439
hybrid, Like, come on,
what are they doing? So true to

1135
01:14:38,520 --> 01:14:43,079
what we got to what that was
like, Okay, clearly met like an

1136
01:14:43,079 --> 01:14:47,279
eighth and a human function. We
got that. It's a lot less movie

1137
01:14:47,319 --> 01:14:50,680
parts than the fucking mutants, such
as don't talk, but then they can

1138
01:14:50,880 --> 01:14:55,039
talk. They have this weird flesh, so they hide it with masks that

1139
01:14:55,039 --> 01:14:58,840
we don't really get into. Their
babies have like the same faces as well.

1140
01:14:59,039 --> 01:15:01,279
Muke. Yeah, they got a
nuke. They've kept Taylor for you

1141
01:15:01,880 --> 01:15:06,399
Sunday service. Yeah they're throwing,
yeah the throw. Yeah, you're right

1142
01:15:06,439 --> 01:15:10,720
about that. Uh. And then
they're also concerned that they would lose their

1143
01:15:10,760 --> 01:15:15,800
g rating. So there you go, there you go. Despite the significant

1144
01:15:15,840 --> 01:15:17,840
success of the first one, the
budget was slashed for the sequel. It

1145
01:15:17,840 --> 01:15:21,600
went from five million to two point
five and one fell Swoop. This was

1146
01:15:21,640 --> 01:15:27,880
mainly due to twentieth Fox century twentieth
century prosthetic penises. They're pushing for that,

1147
01:15:27,960 --> 01:15:31,039
and they're like, all right,
we're taking away your budget. Twentieth

1148
01:15:31,079 --> 01:15:34,880
century Fox was teetered on the brink
of bankruptcy, which is funny because you

1149
01:15:34,920 --> 01:15:40,319
know they got bought out eventually years
later, following major expensive failures such as

1150
01:15:40,319 --> 01:15:45,199
Hello Dolly, Star Tara, Tara
Tara, and that was it. The

1151
01:15:45,239 --> 01:15:47,760
recruiting of Ted Posts as a director
was instrumental here, as he was used

1152
01:15:47,760 --> 01:15:51,680
as minimal budgets and shortened schedules for
his work on television. So there you

1153
01:15:51,720 --> 01:15:55,760
go that Fox was in the shitter, so they gave them half the budget,

1154
01:15:55,920 --> 01:15:58,199
and they also just went a guy
that could shoot it cheap, shoot

1155
01:15:58,199 --> 01:16:00,880
it fast. That was what it
was. So that's all I think you

1156
01:16:00,920 --> 01:16:03,279
can. I think all that stuff
you can see right on the screen like

1157
01:16:03,279 --> 01:16:05,720
that explained right. When you hear
that paragraph, you're like, oh,

1158
01:16:05,800 --> 01:16:11,079
yeah, that makes sense. Let's
this movie save Fox, is what you're

1159
01:16:11,079 --> 01:16:15,000
saying. No, I think this's
helped them, But I kept them going

1160
01:16:15,039 --> 01:16:17,039
around for a little bit. I
don't know that'd be good to see because

1161
01:16:17,039 --> 01:16:18,960
this one in the seventies, I
don't know what came around was like the

1162
01:16:19,359 --> 01:16:21,760
because they made a lot of these, so clearly they were successful with them,

1163
01:16:21,840 --> 01:16:25,439
right, they made five original movies, So I don't know what was

1164
01:16:25,479 --> 01:16:27,560
the Big One. I don't think
it was like X Men or anything.

1165
01:16:27,560 --> 01:16:30,960
I think by two thousands Fox was
good. Maybe a little bit of alien,

1166
01:16:30,039 --> 01:16:34,720
but who knows on that front.
Director Ted Post found it more of

1167
01:16:34,760 --> 01:16:38,479
a challenge and working with a modern
budget than he imagined, so I guess

1168
01:16:38,479 --> 01:16:40,960
he agreed, and then once he
started doing it, I was like,

1169
01:16:40,960 --> 01:16:45,159
Oh, this kind of sucks.
But and finally an author ending was written

1170
01:16:45,199 --> 01:16:47,319
where Taylor, Brent, and Nova
escaped the underground city prior to the dead

1171
01:16:47,359 --> 01:16:49,439
nation of the bomb. So I
guess the bomb was still going to go

1172
01:16:49,439 --> 01:16:53,199
off and they escape, which doesn't
make much sense, but which was not

1173
01:16:53,279 --> 01:16:56,560
a doomsday device as it was in
the finished film, So okay, there

1174
01:16:56,560 --> 01:16:59,960
you go. The original bomb was
just like a bomb bomb a bomb.

1175
01:17:00,199 --> 01:17:03,239
Yeah. They returned to Ape City
along with Zero and Cornelias, release the

1176
01:17:03,319 --> 01:17:06,640
humans from the cages, and a
new order has begun. The script ends

1177
01:17:06,680 --> 01:17:13,800
one hundred years later Planet An.
The script ends one hundred years later with

1178
01:17:13,880 --> 01:17:16,680
the Lawgiver teaching a group teaching a
group of Ape and human children who sit

1179
01:17:16,760 --> 01:17:20,720
in harmony. The final shot of
the script shows a mutated gorilla emerging from

1180
01:17:20,720 --> 01:17:27,479
the underground, fatally shooting a flying
Dove the Lawgiver was resurrected. Oh well

1181
01:17:28,159 --> 01:17:32,199
that's a spoiler for later. But
yeah, like it's kind of a Manning

1182
01:17:32,239 --> 01:17:35,439
too. But like again, I
guess I would just rather take the heartfelt

1183
01:17:35,760 --> 01:17:40,399
humans and apes skip together and they
find a way instead of just like the

1184
01:17:40,720 --> 01:17:44,560
very very dark, pessimistic ending of
let's blow everything up. You get that

1185
01:17:44,600 --> 01:17:48,960
ape human hybrid child. Yeah there, Yeah, but that's what was gonna

1186
01:17:48,960 --> 01:17:51,039
happen. That was one of the
endings that they were gonna go back and

1187
01:17:51,079 --> 01:17:56,000
start a new society. And I
like it more than what we got.

1188
01:17:57,079 --> 01:18:00,399
Yeah, pretty pretty easy to say
there, Kirkland. My thoughts on rating

1189
01:18:00,399 --> 01:18:05,359
on US, Uh yeah, I
think that this was a very bad movie

1190
01:18:05,439 --> 01:18:12,840
and I probably won't ever watch this
again. Really like all the positives that

1191
01:18:12,880 --> 01:18:15,800
I can really pull from, I
feel like I saw them done better in

1192
01:18:15,880 --> 01:18:18,840
that first film, So there really
is no reason to watch this movie.

1193
01:18:18,880 --> 01:18:23,399
I won't recommend it to people,
even if they haven't seen the Apes movies

1194
01:18:23,439 --> 01:18:28,199
before. I do think to what
you said earlier on about like if I

1195
01:18:28,359 --> 01:18:30,479
was to watch this but just somebuddies, you know, if we all watch

1196
01:18:30,560 --> 01:18:31,920
this together, I think I would
have enjoyed it a lot more, but

1197
01:18:32,680 --> 01:18:36,680
it's an hour thirty I think I
think it's way too long for what it

1198
01:18:36,720 --> 01:18:44,520
actually is. Too, so I
yeah, I guess number eting. Oh

1199
01:18:44,560 --> 01:18:50,520
my god, I think I'll give
it two out of ten. The two

1200
01:18:50,600 --> 01:18:54,720
points are kind of like what I
was saying earlier, where though like the

1201
01:18:54,800 --> 01:19:00,920
chase scene with the gorillas, that
was some fun sequences there, like me

1202
01:19:00,279 --> 01:19:03,359
like some aspects of the beginning,
but again, like that's just like what

1203
01:19:03,399 --> 01:19:09,199
was in the first one. The
first movie was yeah, yeah, exactly,

1204
01:19:09,319 --> 01:19:11,600
And like I guess, like the
the funny moments I got out of

1205
01:19:11,600 --> 01:19:15,319
it, that was those some good, good chuckle times. But yeah,

1206
01:19:15,359 --> 01:19:18,880
overall it's really not a great film. So yeah, god it's behind us

1207
01:19:18,960 --> 01:19:23,800
now. Yeah, I'll go one
out of ten. I can't go zero.

1208
01:19:24,000 --> 01:19:27,319
But like there's a few moments I'm
always down to see Charlton hess and

1209
01:19:27,439 --> 01:19:30,000
Taylor. You know, there's some
awful stuff going on here, and I

1210
01:19:30,000 --> 01:19:31,880
think it's just because, like I
think, most of the film was just

1211
01:19:31,960 --> 01:19:36,159
kind of mediocre. Most films mediocre. I don't have anything to good to

1212
01:19:36,199 --> 01:19:41,520
say. But then the back half
is just so bad it just just strains

1213
01:19:41,560 --> 01:19:45,039
your life away, Like it's just
one of those all timers. So yeah,

1214
01:19:45,760 --> 01:19:47,000
one out of ten, just away
from zero. But yeah, that

1215
01:19:47,079 --> 01:19:51,119
might sign how sound hyperbolic, but
I think that's like as we read there,

1216
01:19:51,159 --> 01:19:54,800
it's purely was just a movie made
to be a cash grab and just

1217
01:19:54,880 --> 01:19:57,760
get it out there. And the
good thing is we have movies coming up

1218
01:19:57,800 --> 01:19:59,960
that are not that way. We
have movies coming out that have some actual

1219
01:20:00,359 --> 01:20:02,760
thought. I'd actually say all these
sequels gonna actually have thought put in them.

1220
01:20:03,119 --> 01:20:06,640
Even Tim Burn's remake has more thought
put into this than all of them.

1221
01:20:06,720 --> 01:20:10,600
So that's the thing. This is
definitely the lowest point I think we

1222
01:20:10,680 --> 01:20:13,880
will be in this retro and hopefully
ever with the plan the apes. I've

1223
01:20:13,920 --> 01:20:15,680
never watched the TV show I would
like to. We're not gonna retro that,

1224
01:20:15,720 --> 01:20:18,319
but I might watch it at some
point. But as far as the

1225
01:20:18,319 --> 01:20:20,800
films go, this is easily lowest
point. And like I said, this

1226
01:20:20,880 --> 01:20:25,159
is for me I'd have to really
think about. And that's why one day

1227
01:20:25,159 --> 01:20:29,039
we should do cast. I I
can't think of a sequel that's more of

1228
01:20:29,079 --> 01:20:30,479
a bigger drop than this, and
I know there's tons of sequels out there

1229
01:20:30,479 --> 01:20:34,840
that drop big time, but this
is just a off a fucking cliff like

1230
01:20:35,079 --> 01:20:41,399
gone. But yeah, that's where
I am Tarfield. Yeah, as I

1231
01:20:41,439 --> 01:20:45,960
said earlier, I would watch the
first half of this and have no care

1232
01:20:46,000 --> 01:20:49,079
for that back half once we get
into the mute and stuff not into it,

1233
01:20:49,640 --> 01:20:53,119
and so I'm probably just gonna give
this a flat five out of ten

1234
01:20:53,239 --> 01:20:55,359
just for that. Hell o,
so fast is it half and half?

1235
01:20:55,399 --> 01:20:59,760
I'd still pass it just because I
like, I really like the first starting

1236
01:20:59,760 --> 01:21:02,760
stuff, just with Brent and the
ship and everything him just surprising in the

1237
01:21:02,840 --> 01:21:06,680
Cornelius and I like, holy fuck, there's like more speaking humans. This

1238
01:21:06,760 --> 01:21:13,039
is crazy and just that dynamic,
and I really really enjoyed that because for

1239
01:21:13,119 --> 01:21:15,680
me, it's it's something that's familiar, but it's reskinning a different light and

1240
01:21:15,760 --> 01:21:23,319
I like that. I like that
that appearance as visualization. So that's why

1241
01:21:23,319 --> 01:21:26,880
it'd be a five out of ten
for me. But it's still very much

1242
01:21:26,920 --> 01:21:30,439
got a lot of chess not working
stuff. When you think of Planet of

1243
01:21:30,439 --> 01:21:33,680
the Apes and beneath the Planet of
the Apes and then just this whole mutant

1244
01:21:33,800 --> 01:21:38,239
human civilization with a nuke that can
just blow up the whole planet, it's

1245
01:21:38,399 --> 01:21:44,520
really really far fetched in terms of
just what you'd expect from a Planet of

1246
01:21:44,560 --> 01:21:46,039
the Apes movie, I feel like, and so I'm very very happy that

1247
01:21:46,039 --> 01:21:54,199
we haven't had the that touched upon
in a rebooted franchise and also just a

1248
01:21:54,319 --> 01:21:59,199
random spin off film that was doing
its own storyline. I guess you could

1249
01:21:59,199 --> 01:22:02,479
say with Planet of the Apes the
title. But yeah, I revisiting this.

1250
01:22:02,640 --> 01:22:05,600
I'm not going to revisit any time
in the near future because it's definitely

1251
01:22:06,520 --> 01:22:11,199
I said, you said near future, So there could be a time.

1252
01:22:11,279 --> 01:22:12,920
Oh, there will be a time, yeah, just not in the near

1253
01:22:12,920 --> 01:22:15,680
future, but there will definitely be
a time, not not within twenty twenty

1254
01:22:15,720 --> 01:22:18,560
three. So I can tell you
that what what's gonna cause you in the

1255
01:22:18,600 --> 01:22:21,079
near future to put this on and
be like, I really want to watch

1256
01:22:21,159 --> 01:22:28,520
plenty of two honestly, after after
Kingdom comes out, whatever happens, Like

1257
01:22:28,760 --> 01:22:32,520
if they do something to kind of
insinuate that Icarus mission because they've alluded,

1258
01:22:33,840 --> 01:22:38,920
I'll save that from we get to
the movie the first one. Oh that's

1259
01:22:38,960 --> 01:22:41,640
true, Okay, yeah, that
first James Franco one. They actually allude

1260
01:22:41,680 --> 01:22:45,159
to the Icarus in there the newspaper
articles. So it's on the news,

1261
01:22:45,279 --> 01:22:48,319
No, it's on the news,
the news, well and the newspapers too.

1262
01:22:48,479 --> 01:22:51,159
No, I didn't even know.
Yeah, the news covers the launch.

1263
01:22:51,239 --> 01:22:56,920
The newspaper it says lost in space. I would not want that role

1264
01:22:57,079 --> 01:23:00,960
to try and replace Heston. That's
just that's a guy as we saw Brent.

1265
01:23:00,079 --> 01:23:03,680
Like, I like who nowadays?
Who what actor could do that?

1266
01:23:05,439 --> 01:23:10,800
I feel like that's a tough task. He might be to Chris Pratt or

1267
01:23:10,840 --> 01:23:19,239
something like that. No, like
Pratt, No, the Planet of the

1268
01:23:19,239 --> 01:23:24,880
Abe. He does not look like
Charlton Heston at all at all, looks

1269
01:23:24,920 --> 01:23:31,159
like grizzly. I feel like you
gotta get someone that has a weird aura.

1270
01:23:31,239 --> 01:23:35,079
And I think he's too old now, but like Nick Cage a decade

1271
01:23:35,119 --> 01:23:39,079
ago, maybe could have done it, you know, like, no,

1272
01:23:39,279 --> 01:23:42,640
you need you need that seventies grizzled
man. Look, the men have today

1273
01:23:42,640 --> 01:23:46,000
look different than the men of the
seventies. So that's why that's why I

1274
01:23:46,039 --> 01:23:51,399
feel like Chris Pratt with that grizzled
beard, all grizzled. No, he's

1275
01:23:51,439 --> 01:23:56,000
like Hollywood grizzled, Hollywood grizzled.
Yeah, that's a good way, but

1276
01:23:56,039 --> 01:24:00,199
we don't want that. No,
we'll circle back to this. Well,

1277
01:24:00,239 --> 01:24:14,560
that's the fall fock maybe Skipper at
least he just has a massive monologue like

1278
01:24:14,760 --> 01:24:16,560
ten minutes. No, I feel
like if you get to Poe, he's

1279
01:24:16,560 --> 01:24:18,720
got to be one the apes.
He would fucking kill it as one of

1280
01:24:18,760 --> 01:24:21,439
the apes. You know, he
would go hard on that. And that's

1281
01:24:21,479 --> 01:24:25,680
where like they already screwed it up
once where like I don't think Mark Wahlberg

1282
01:24:25,760 --> 01:24:29,560
technically plays him, but he's like
that type and again, terrible way to

1283
01:24:29,600 --> 01:24:33,000
go Hessen to Mark Wahlberg. It's
like that's nowhere in the same ballpark of

1284
01:24:33,079 --> 01:24:36,600
type of that. Well that's that's
That's great then because if Mark Wahlberg was

1285
01:24:36,600 --> 01:24:39,880
the follow up, then all the
next guy is just gonna be the follow

1286
01:24:39,960 --> 01:24:42,279
to Mark Wahlberg, so we don't
have to worry about it anymore. What

1287
01:24:42,399 --> 01:24:45,960
about this Clay I know he's listening. I think he's the most hype for

1288
01:24:45,119 --> 01:24:49,560
our Patreon ones. Legit. What
about Boyd Holbrook? I think bullet Holberg

1289
01:24:49,560 --> 01:24:55,079
could play. I think he kind
of has some of the savages with the

1290
01:24:55,279 --> 01:24:59,239
US, But like I legit,
I think Boyd Holberg could have that kind

1291
01:24:59,239 --> 01:25:02,359
of vibe where he's kind of an
asshole, kind of charming kind of off

1292
01:25:02,439 --> 01:25:08,159
kilter. I think he could see
him like really grizzled with that space scraff

1293
01:25:08,239 --> 01:25:10,840
and everything. Not even pull up
a logan, pull him up. Just

1294
01:25:10,880 --> 01:25:13,479
put Boyd Holberg and logan he has, like that beard and stuff. Maybe

1295
01:25:13,479 --> 01:25:16,640
it'll be a little bit different,
but I'm thinking Boyd hole brick, that's

1296
01:25:16,840 --> 01:25:20,359
who I would think. You know, fuck, that is pretty good.

1297
01:25:20,399 --> 01:25:24,600
Actually I could. I'm telling you, I want it. Get on that

1298
01:25:24,640 --> 01:25:30,239
Achris mission. You know, Predator
didn't work out for him. Let's get's

1299
01:25:30,279 --> 01:25:34,079
your there's your tailor from Yeah,
I can see it. Maybe I also

1300
01:25:34,119 --> 01:25:40,159
don't have the cyberg more brand.
No, I don't want to be Brent.

1301
01:25:40,800 --> 01:25:45,960
Six months will be running this planet. Why does he speak like that?

1302
01:25:46,800 --> 01:25:51,600
Oh that's a bad impression. That's
like, oh, that's what he

1303
01:25:51,600 --> 01:25:55,239
says in the first movie. Remember
what Taylor says, and they crashed the

1304
01:25:55,279 --> 01:25:59,319
ship six months right on this planet, and that you're saying Boyd said the

1305
01:25:59,319 --> 01:26:04,960
movie. Like, I don't remember
Boyd saying that any movies. Logan six

1306
01:26:05,000 --> 01:26:11,119
months. They could have if they
played their card rights with those guns instead

1307
01:26:11,159 --> 01:26:13,960
just spamming the shots, you know, they could have sat back, let

1308
01:26:14,039 --> 01:26:16,119
the war go down. And then
just take over. But go check out

1309
01:26:16,199 --> 01:26:18,720
any Jones Dob of Destiny. Let
us know. We'll keep looking, we'll

1310
01:26:18,800 --> 01:26:23,000
keep by the end stretcher we'll have. That's still my pick, but I'm

1311
01:26:23,239 --> 01:26:25,920
open for some other picks. Let
us know in the comms, let us

1312
01:26:25,960 --> 01:26:29,199
know, Facebook, Twitter, whatever, who should be the next H.

1313
01:26:29,800 --> 01:26:36,000
Taylor Brand skipper Nova like a jazz. We'll be back next week with Escape

1314
01:26:36,640 --> 01:26:41,520
Apes or Escape from the Plan the
Apes. It'll be warring